aic-factory

[nova lodge]

yeah, can confirm....my xircon production slows down when i am offline.
its either sewage tax....or xiranite tax.
crucible you son of a ****

[hushed blaze]

I had bad time trying to see what's pipe split, what's converger

[viscid plover]

xiranite tax for sure

[bronze vector]

yep fuck

my ferrium usage spiked hard

and what the fuck

1. fucking. ferrium patch???

like only 1 in wuling

how

[frail trail]

Maybe some guy from qingbo stockade is stealing stuff from the crucible because ruan yu died

[pulsar cypress]

Isn't this splitter all?

[nova lodge]

addicted to sewage water?

[bronze vector]

1 quintillion originium patches

[hushed blaze]

Bottom one cannot be. Must be converger.

Or i may seen wrong path

[pulsar cypress]

Iirc converger line is orange?

Splitter one white?

[hushed blaze]

Nvm. Converger is orange

So yeah all splitters

[wispy grove]

no wattah?

[hushed blaze]

That's where sherpa give

No water flowing in

[nova lodge]

time to 'temporary' resolve the dumb slowed xircon production.

[wispy grove]

this must be a converger, change it to splitter

[hushed blaze]

Nvm. It's pipe bridge 👀

[upper fiber]

finally done the 1 reactor xircon, wonder if it will be taxed

[pulsar cypress]

Left splitter gate block the 3 other pump..
Right gate providing 1/2 - 1/2 of 1 pump worth..
Nothing left for top..

[wispy grove]

the arrow goes to the right?

[pulsar cypress]

Yea, but it hit the splitter gate to left..

So no water passing..

[fathom yacht]

Seems to have fixed it

[runic wing]

Question for those who understand AIC Factory better... I have already reached Wuling, I'm pretty at the beginning there, but my The Hub factory is... A mess to say to least... How messed up my game is/will be if I don't pay attention to the Factory feature? I really don't understand the Factory stuff and rn it's only making green batteries. :D

[latent gull]

I tried it its not enough for threep

Its only 1.5

[hushed blaze]

A lot still learning what to do- some even testing how-

Wuling batteries was a priority though

[nova lodge]

just put multiple planters and seeder combo and produce more sandleaf than what is necessary.
then output the sandleaf into a shreeder feeding 3 grinders.
plantations can be self looped in a corner.

[frail trail]

Currently valley 4 is not very important as it only has valley 4 engraving tickets and operator gifts as refreshing weekly

[hushed blaze]

Isn't shredding sandleaf provides 3 sandleaf powder in a single facility?

[pulsar cypress]

Make 2 forge xyranite facilities..
Then make battery plant to auto supply the thermal, sustaining your factory.
After that can make syringe/drink C type for extra items to sell and get bills..

Focus on placing mining rig at every nodes so u have enough ores supplies for the factory..

[frail trail]

Yes shredding 1 sandleaf gives you 3 powders

[nova lodge]

yeah, its just that the 2:1 plantation themselves alone doesn't sustain 3 grinder requirements.

[wispy grove]

if you dont attention to factory, you will lose alot of rewards. and you wont get gear for your operators(like artifacts in genshin).

[runic wing]

Okay, tysm for your replies

[frail trail]

Tho tbh you could just use a factory design from someone else

[hushed blaze]

If you wanna make gear without producing just destroy crates

[pulsar cypress]

[frail trail]

Kyostinv's is the easiest and most popular bp

[pulsar cypress]

The exact thing me do when doing delivery..
Destroy any crates on sight..

[nova lodge]

you know what.....i think i will just ignore the annoying tax on my sewage water

too lazy to keep changing dumb crucible stuff.

[crude nebula]

imagine depot lvl 3, you won't even allowed to attack thing

[pulsar cypress]

Same me also..

[runic wing]

I figured the gear part before Wuling. I did produce some stuff to get some sort of gear for my current team which I currently mainly use. But then I keep stashing away everything, thinking I will do better factory. I fail. I repeat. And then try again, and fail. And repeat. 😅 I have tried following guides, but last time I ran out of power/batteries? So I thought: "What can I even do in this game if I keep running out of power??" So, then I started only making those green batteries... 👀

[pulsar cypress]

Juat build the plant, let it work, leave em be..
Dont really care with the efficiency..

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-john-cena-are-you-sure-gif-5783187

[hushed blaze]

Making xiranite using only sandleaf may be slow

[pulsar cypress]

Yea.. My brain too dumb for the rest..
As long as it working without anything stopped..
All good..
Dont care with the hiccups..

[nova lodge]

tax is inevitable in our quest to achieve complete full scale automation

but hey, since my crucible sewage is being taxed, i am saving up on xiranite slowly too :3, its good in its own way ;3

[pulsar cypress]

Neat looking and working factory = good factory..
That's all for my dumb brain..

[hushed blaze]

At least you're not gonna see the most confusing layout ever made.

[nova lodge]

on a side note....gotta stay hydrated with H2O :3

[pulsar cypress]

Doesn't matter as long as it works fine.. °-°)b

[shut rover]

Confusing you say?

[frail trail]

goodbye entire base, you are getting redesigned

[wispy grove]

why?

[frail trail]

poopoo designed and it didn't support comp maker

[nova lodge]

0 sanity behavior

[finite basin]

my oven

[crude nebula]

wait you can put that building there?

[finite basin]

yah

[nova lodge]

ah yeah, tall building does help :3

[crude nebula]

won't they just pass through it?

when spawn

[finite basin]

only few came out thats why i placed surge towers to finish them off

[pulsar cypress]

4 or more wide facility block em, cant pass..

Iirc..

[finite basin]

they usually came out in low health cuz they almost cooked by fire turrets

[crude nebula]

i see

time to set it up

nice info

[nova lodge]

i might just use a tanky char, box myself in, and have all of them charge at me while i heal myself with healing turrets

[crude nebula]

i really want to afk farm

[nova lodge]

[finite basin]

place only 2 and some other high damage turrets to finish them off if they manage to escape

[crude nebula]

won't the turret hit the building instead?

or the bullet will go through?

[finite basin]

ill go through, i tested it and it worked

[bright zodiac]

the extra space is for covid26 quarantine

[finite basin]

isolation room

[bright zodiac]

[crude nebula]

let see which building i'll use

[pulsar cypress]

One pylon already quarantined..

[bright zodiac]

probably got infected by blight

[finite basin]

infected with rock cancer

[pulsar cypress]

[hushed blaze]

Yours still less confusing since you had depot

[finite basin]

oriopathy type shi

they be incurable asf and they gon turn you into a rock later stages

[tall thunder]

I cant build anymore. Im at max cap

[dusty snow]

Does upgrading sub pac level reset the stock bill stash?

[bright zodiac]

[hushed blaze]

Hence endmin can turn almost everyone into stone

[bright zodiac]

so its you who got infected

[dusty snow]

I swear it was almost full before i upgraded it.

[hushed blaze]

No.
It increases capacity like 2 times or so

[dusty snow]

Ahhh... So the percentage just drops

[bright zodiac]

yeah it doesnt make sense if they remove the bill, it just increase the capacity so much u saw it half or somthg

[hushed blaze]

Be sure those 4 units turned off if you only want to use as wall-

[finite basin]

im not poor on power cap so why not turn em on

[hoary crag]

love the look

[hushed blaze]

Good thing enemies won't attack production facilities.
Well unless it changed

[crude nebula]

boxed boxed

[hoary crag]

the right formula right there

[tall thunder]

I just realized I just capped the Outside buildings. Now I cant place any turrets

[marble marsh]

This is what happens when players get bored and I'm all here for it

[lilac phoenix]

he is the protector

[hushed blaze]

Unless you wanna essence farming there-

[crude nebula]

some still spawen inside the building tho

[marble marsh]

I'm not even near the halfway point how do ya run out of placements

[pulsar cypress]

Yass.. There's like 3 block wide passage between plant.. To pass by and check.. °-°)9

[crude nebula]

or farm crafting item, also works

[shut rover]

The most confusing part is the pipes

[tall thunder]

Pump ziplines and outlets

[shut rover]

My ass when i realised the turrets have inbuilt battery banks

[crude nebula]

if you don't want to connect to main powerline, use battery also works

even when the turret offline in your world, randoms still able to use them in their world

[coral orchid]

@atomic fiber did dev know about this offline bug yet?

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-evil-smirk-crop-gif-25562144

[atomic fiber]

i haven't sent report. (I'm kinda lazy aahhh)

you have higher chances for them to see it by reporting it to them by mail btw

i think someone will eventually report it

[wispy grove]

its a feature

[viscid plover]

has been since 1.0 just that 1.1 crucible made it more prevalent

[wispy grove]

can someone give me dige thingy for 2 batteries?

i dunno whats it called

how much delay should i do permin?

[hoary crag]

?

[wispy grove]

ill be using splitter system for my battery for the first time .

[spark hedge]

592 power
2s ×2×2×3×3×3=216s
40/216 x 3200= 592

[hoary crag]

I mean you could visit the site itself and put your parameters there

[wispy grove]

what does that 592 even mean?

can i still use 1 battery even if im consuming more than 3.4k?

or i need 2?

[spark hedge]

2

[hoary crag]

you need two, but the second one will be oscillating if you want to save power

[wispy grove]

oh okay then

[spark hedge]

Use this for second one

[wispy grove]

i thought ill be oscillating 2 of them at the same time

[spark hedge]

@wispy grove

[spark hedge]

No, only 1

[hoary crag]

this is my oscillating line, which gives me a total cap of 3.69k

[hoary crag]

first thermal bank will be always on

second is oscillating

[wispy grove]

i see

[marble marsh]

i know i should be accustomed to these kind of blueprints by now but it still hurts my brain

[wispy grove]

does 592 means i can have 3.4k +592?

average?

[spark hedge]

Yeah

[hoary crag]

dw it still does for me

[wispy grove]

ohhhhhh

okay okay

[hoary crag]

I just trust that the people who made dige know what they're doing

and it's working so far

[wispy grove]

okay i understand it now

[marble marsh]

same

[hoary crag]

tho if anything, I'm still in love with my sc wuling battery line and how compact it is

[marble marsh]

i presonaly spend my first 3 to 4 weeks playing figuring everything out myself and somehow making a decent factory then after that i grabbed a guide and optimized

[hoary crag]

tho it does have the downside of me needing to manually clear sewage from time to time due to crucible tax

[marble marsh]

lemme log in and show ya my battery line

[spark hedge]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1482690912416174145
Look at this, look more clean @hoary crag
@marble marsh

[marble marsh]

Behold

And before y'all start with the full protocol stashes those are for when I mess around with the factory and sell all my batteries without thinking

i might not be the brightest but i know myself and prepare for that stuff

[neon rune]

How much factory building can a single water pump carry until it loses efficiency ?

[marble marsh]

if im correct 2

[hoary crag]

looks nice

[hoary crag]

2

[neon rune]

so 3 is kinda a bad idea then...

[hoary crag]

the pump supplies water at a rate of 1/s

most facilities use water at a rate of 0.5/s

[green moon]

did anyone of u bathe in it??? 😭 😭 😭 😭

[hoary crag]

as an added bonus, the pipe has a capacity of 2/s

[frail trail]

how can I make this smaller

[hoary crag]

so you can merge two pumps into one pipe, and then split that pipe into 4 facilities

[hoary crag]

you don't, you've done a good job

[frail trail]

those dead space between the stashes are crine

[hoary crag]

it is what it is sadly

[neon rune]

Man this looks so well manage, everytime I saw a well placement like this I always saw mine as a cluster fck cuz I never arranged it properly

[hoary crag]

it even took me hours to get this setup

this is what it used to be, which was the first version of my sc battery line

[wispy grove]

i made one with no protocol stash

[hoary crag]

what does this average out at? just asking

[wispy grove]

same as jinzura

592

only used convergers instead of protocol stash

time to re edit my factory pic

[hoary crag]

lol

[peak wedge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/genius-albert-only-for-YLs2DhXYke2ILJF5B1

[coral orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-balanced-gif-3226445978144001245

[young igloo]

anyone have the 4k5 power blueprint?

[frail trail]

hopefully this doesn't brick itself

[high pawn]

making this picture took me way too long, here is my wuling factory that i quite like

[frail trail]

shit

[young igloo]

yes it does

separate your pipe man

[frail trail]

in theory it shouldn't brick

but

if i have have overflowing amount of cuprium then shits will hit the fan

[quasi locust]

what is this belt doing

[frail trail]

well actually everything bricks regardless of design

[young igloo]

exceeded the pipe transfer maximum man

iirc it can only transfer 2 unit at a time

at least use 2 pipes

[frail trail]

which it is

[young igloo]

pipes

[frail trail]

it physically can't exceed 2/s

[frail trail]

what is even going on

[runic sleet]

is anyone already suggest to add control for a flow rate per sec? using splitters is so not worth it

[pulsar sail]

that's cursed

[quasi locust]

also this

idk some bias thing going on with the belt and connections

[marble marsh]

congrats you just fried my brain

[quasi locust]

i learned from this channel earlier that convergers has explotable interactions but i can't make sense of it yet

[wispy grove]

finally

[quasi locust]

that makes both of us

[wispy grove]

it looks shi

why do they have different shades of grass

[marble marsh]

cuz we poluted the grass

[pulsar sail]

mhh and here I trying to make some belt math/space efficient, and that cursed video makes me think I'll keep unlimited belt and yolo

[young igloo]

lighting

[pulsar sail]

I was happy with myself though

[young igloo]

im making it symetrical

[marble marsh]

one of my friends just texted me that they ran out of sewage like how do ya run out of that stuff

[young igloo]

in the same picture lmao

[pulsar sail]

you don"t produc enough cuprium or you stopped producing because max cuprium stack

[young igloo]

1 come from cuprium and 1 recycle

[frail trail]

SHITTT

[marble marsh]

ive never ran out of sewage until now had to much at one point but never to little

[young igloo]

6 syringe/m balance it lmao

[hoary crag]

rip

[pulsar sail]

maybe you had some buffer, check that the cuprium rate is 120

[pulsar sail]

time to haul bats from v4?

[quasi locust]

did their cuprium clog?

[frail trail]

nah just forgot to hook up the output from main aic to bank because i was redesigning base

[pulsar sail]

classic :p

[hoary crag]

I'm saving this if you don't mind

[pulsar sail]

i was bored, feel free 🙂

[eternal wolf]

What is the current maximum stockbill generation?

[hoary crag]

how do ya'll even like

[eternal wolf]

is it 36000?

[wispy grove]

like what

[hoary crag]

do the massive screenshot thing

ik it's a collage but I think it's more or less I'm too lazy to make one myself

😭

[pulsar sail]

clic here

[marble marsh]

This isnt bad honestly

[wispy grove]

i use white board in canva

[hoary crag]

oh yeah that works as well

[wispy grove]

just add every part and join it manually

[eternal wolf]

ye but is that the highest possible rn? just checking to make sure i'm not missing any sources

[wispy grove]

it was tedious

[hoary crag]

lemme try making one atm

currently bored anyway

[dark furnace]

yea sometimes belt exit can be bugged

[pulsar sail]

bill savings is based on the tower defense, the regional development and what operator manages the outpost

[dark furnace]

need to connect the belt again to work

[pulsar sail]

36.2k is the max now AFAIK

[quasi locust]

the bug is really consistent and explotable

[dark furnace]

piling up xiranite back again

had 52k 2 hours ago

[pulsar sail]

offline?

[dark furnace]

yea

I scrapped my buffer build and returned to normal build

[pulsar sail]

ok then it's because you got the frop in battery prod

[dark furnace]

well of course

nothing surprising here just saying I went back to normal build, if you know I was testing buffer build for days

[wispy grove]

use my swastika flow

my bad its not swastika anymore

its anti sewage overflow

its not a bp since its just a concept

w8

i didnt change it

lmao

[tawny bear]

u forgot to leave space for the ferrium powder :v

[wispy grove]

"concept"

[pulsar sail]

mmh so you fill the xircon crucible with sewage, so the 2 effluent get most of the sewage flow, ok, but then a third is sent to treatment... will you have 100% efficiency on the 2 effluent ?

[thorn pike]

im back

[dark furnace]

wait where are the liquid xiranite

[wispy grove]

"CONCEPT"

[dark furnace]

tbf the sewage will clog because you are inputing 1.5/s sewage to the crucible

[wispy grove]

theres no such thing as 100% Efficiency

what yall talking about

[dark furnace]

but i guess you are adding an overflow system?

[wispy grove]

my good ness

[dark furnace]

what are you trying to do with the concept

[wispy grove]

xircon sewage(1) +refinerysewage(2) = 2crucibles +1 treatment plant

[dark furnace]

oh well that middle treatment

i missed it

[wispy grove]

now its looks normal at first, "why bother combining sewage xircon from the refinery?"

[pulsar sail]

yeah but that "concept" above will have something like 66% effluent production efficiency, i'm not talking about 99.99 vs 100

[dark furnace]

in theory it works, but xircon isn't producing 0.5/s sewage exactly because of the bug, and the game doesn't like splitting decimels. with that setup you will see tons of fluctuate offline

[wispy grove]

well the answer to that is:

when you lack sewage from xircon cause u wanna loop it(because of tax) the sewage build up will cancel that lack of sewage when offline. therefore you wont get any build up at all

it wont hurt to try

[pulsar sail]

something like that

[wispy grove]

uhhhh no?

[pulsar sail]

herm, wait I made a mistake lol

[sudden hawk]

Has anyone managed to fit in 120/m xiranite inside Sky King Flats?

Thats self suffient?

[wispy grove]

wahts sky king flats?

[sudden hawk]

The smaller of the two Wuling Factories

[wispy grove]

oh the sub pac?

[sudden hawk]

Yeah in Jingyu

[wispy grove]

it can really

why u ask?

u want bp?

[lone pebble]

all fact is 39*34 !

[storm junco]

Can you treat liquid xyranite?

[sudden hawk]

Im just asking if someone has done it

[wispy grove]

i combine 3 forges, mine is 43*27

[sudden hawk]

I cant tell if im being stubborn, or if its not possible

[storm junco]

With water treatment unit

[wispy grove]

nah

[sudden hawk]

I just want this plot to be only xiranite so my other factory can do all the other stuff

[sudden hawk]

Im not sure what you mean?

[storm junco]

So you cannot undelete it?

[wispy grove]

its possible dont worry

[wispy grove]

you can

[storm junco]

How?

[wispy grove]

put it on fluid tank

[lone pebble]

the size of the facillity making 120/m

[wispy grove]

delete the fluid tank

https://tenor.com/view/hehehehe-gif-7793894093801286605

[sudden hawk]

Including growing the plants?

[storm junco]

Liquid tank only hold 500 balsies

[wispy grove]

how much did u accumulate?

[lone pebble]

i sad all , so yes including plants !

[wispy grove]

bro u can dont worry

all 4 forges

[storm junco]

Duh how on pool

[wispy grove]

fit there

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

put it on bottles

[quasi locust]

mine

[storm junco]

You want me to make 40k bottle?

Crazy

[wispy grove]

no, use any bottle u have on your depot

[latent gull]

Guys can someone explain

How my water only work for 2 production line

My conduit

[pulsar sail]

production of what?

[wispy grove]

YOW SEVERAL PEOPLE DO EXIST

[lone pebble]

1pump 2 prod.l. , 2 pumps converged 4prod line/same pipe ! include conduit !

[quasi locust]

one water pump produce 1 water/s, facilities usually consume 1 water/2s so like pump = supply 2 unit and facility = consume 1 unit. to supply 4 facilities (4 units) you would need 2 pumps (4 units)

[storm junco]

My only bet is turning xyranite water into xircon..

[quasi locust]

you can merge 2 pumps into one conduit tho, the same as pipes

[pulsar cypress]

1 pump = 2 facilities..
1 conduit can send up to 2 pump worth at once.. Equal to supply for 4 facilities..

[storm junco]

And then treat affluent xircon into water treatment

[sudden hawk]

Oh. Im aparently using not good recipies

[storm junco]

Ineft

[sudden hawk]

thank you for that picture, that just saved me alot of trouble

[storm junco]

Xircon

[sudden hawk]

Wait

im so confused. How do you have that recipe

[wispy grove]

dang bro you really fitted 4 forges

[wispy grove]

what recipe?

[sudden hawk]

my refineries dont accept Jincao?

[pulsar sail]

turn the water off

[quasi locust]

took a day (or a few) of honest work

[pulsar cypress]

Tap the facility, top right there's water icon toggle.. Turn it on..

[hoary crag]

@wispy grove ngl it did take a while

[sudden hawk]

With water on and off?

[wispy grove]

looks nice

[sudden hawk]

do I need to finish the new simulations or something?

[quasi locust]

oh those are like hidden recipes you can unlock somehow

you get 2 carbon from 1 jingcao or yazhen

[sudden hawk]

oh looks like i gotta go running around

[wispy grove]

its a personal work

[quasi locust]

just put the grass in refinery

[latent gull]

Anything

[hoary crag]

the jincao and yahzen refinery recipes don't show up unless you actually do it

no water needed

[sudden hawk]

oh

[wispy grove]

open your refinery, turn off water on the upper right corner of the screen

[latent gull]

I im just confuse

[hoary crag]

just put jincao or yahzen in refinery and it'll automatically unlock the recipe

[latent gull]

Why production 1 pump 2 product

Mining 1 pump 3 mine

[hoary crag]

long story short: it's hidden until you actually do it

[pulsar sail]

yeah lots of response above, but 1 pump = 2 facility, and 1 pump fills half a pipe

[sudden hawk]

omg wait are there others like that? I had no idea that was a thing

[latent gull]

Am i missing copium production

[pulsar cypress]

Different water consumption needed..

[storm junco]

I wonder why we don't have ratio for water pump

[iron spoke]

what causes cuprium bottle overflow?

[hoary crag]

it's just the refinery recipe for wuling plants to carbon afaik

idk any other hidden recipes

[quasi locust]

the other one i know is the fertilizer (liquid xiranite + poop)

[storm junco]

Refining unit have 3 slot

[wispy grove]

yazhen solution tax and slow belts

[iron spoke]

what does that mean

[sudden hawk]

Well that just turned my 8 3 machine seed recyclers into 4 2 machine seed recyclers

wow I wish I knew that sooner lol

[wispy grove]

i think we should make a post about this so that we can just ping the link here

[hoary crag]

you still need sandleaf for the grinding units tho

[quasi locust]

welcome to wuling

[wispy grove]

wuling, the land of bugs

literally

[sudden hawk]

I know, but to get the same carbon, you needed 8 buck flower machines

[quasi locust]

not the mosquitoes

[wispy grove]

uhh where does your bottle starts to clog?

[iron spoke]

i guess the filling unit

yeah... lol

[wispy grove]

while your offline, your crucible ate your yazhen solution

oh w8

thats different you lack cuprium parts then

just show us the whole factory

[iron spoke]

that extra belt was me trying to spend the extra lol

but I guess it made it worse

[wispy grove]

[iron stratus]

so we just using protocol stashes for nothing

[wispy grove]

u have 2 belts of bottle

[tawny bear]

u do know u can turn off depot transfer in stashes yea? :v

[wispy grove]

u only need 1 bottle and 2 parts for each product

[iron spoke]

yeah I didn't have the 2nd bottle belt till I had overstock

but all bottle production is shown

[wispy grove]

w8

wdym by overstock

you reached max bottles?

[iron spoke]

no I just noticed a bunch of extra lol

I guess I should feed it into another filler instead

don't have extra cuprium parts tho

[wispy grove]

nah uh just 1 belt of bottle is enough

[iron spoke]

I'll remove the extra one backfilling from stash

[wispy grove]

remove this and protocol stash

direct the moulding to the filling station

[wispy grove]

yup

[quasi locust]

[shadow hound]

Can you not have a Reactor Crucible produce Liquid Xiranite from both outputs at a maximum rate?

[fervent tendon]

This looks pretty easy I’m ready for wuiling

[quasi locust]

so you don't actually spent those extra bottles from your depot

[fervent tendon]

Right miko😎

[serene lodge]

Btw so i will have originium left ?

And 60 p/s Ferrium left

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-twt-evil-chihuahua-twt-memes-dog-gif-2124557923355771903

ofc

[tawny bear]

you have enough originium for two sc packagers

12/min sc wuling abtteries cost 480/min originium, 120/min cuprium, 120/min xiranite and 60/min ferrium

[wispy grove]

both outputs? nah, a crucible can only make 1item every 2 secs, using 2 pipes wont help u get faster production.

[fervent tendon]

Yk what I hated.

Making batteries

I have 4 battery units for the sc ones

And I got about 18k rn

[tawny bear]

huh why four? >.>

[fervent tendon]

So I can finally have more power

[fervent tendon]

BC EVERY DAMN SECOND I RUN OUT

[serene lodge]

But u wouldnt have enough xiranite though

2 xiranite line for 1 sc line right?

[wispy grove]

uhuh

we have 4 forges

[tawny bear]

u can have 4 forges with the xiranite industries tree in aic research

[serene lodge]

Yup

[wispy grove]

and ur asking is?

[serene lodge]

Then u need 1 line for Artifice

[wispy grove]

HELL NAH

[fervent tendon]

This is my battery power unit like supply’s me for ever but the issue is I can’t provide fast enough even tho I have 3 orignium powder and 2 fet or whatever that unit is called

[serene lodge]

Now only 1 line
Eft

[serene lodge]

Wait u dont artifice?

wait its truew

2 line for max

[tawny bear]

thas the thing with the extra two forges, u can either have component production or more sc battery production

i for one have more than enough B3

[wispy grove]

my goodness

[quasi locust]

yeah you would need to tap off some for artifice, but tapping off just 5/min xiranite is enough for weekly artificing for now (80/week)

[tawny bear]

why do ppl use more than 4 thermal banks for batteries >.>

[wispy grove]

ur battery is starving

[tawny bear]

batteries burn for 40 seconds, each battery takes 10 seconds to make

[serene lodge]

Maybe 1 little battery line?

[wispy grove]

i artifice but, if you really want 1 line for artificing, just use 1 LC wuling battery, 1 SC, and 1comp factory

[dark furnace]

@wispy grove my latest compact buffer/overflow module

[wispy grove]

only use 2 thermal bank

[dark furnace]

it works perfectly online and offline

[fervent tendon]

But 2 thermal banks get me to only 1.4 k power

[quasi locust]

hmm you still can run 2 battery lines tho, just not at full rate. for me i am doing 11/min battery 1/min comp

[fervent tendon]

And rn I have 1.79 that I’m using

[tawny bear]

man they really should make splitters, bridges and convergers more obvious

[shadow hound]

It seems to me that Reactor Crucibles can output two different liquids every two seconds, but not the same liquid in both outputs.

For example, it'll consume one Xiranite and one Yahzen Powder if both are being fed into it.

But, if you have Xiranite being fed into both item inputs on the Reactor Crucible, the production for Liquid Xiranite only draws one Xiranite every two seconds.

Meaning, if you try to produce Liquid Xiranite from both liquid outputs, both outputs will be working at half of their normal flow. This will also clog Xiranite in the Reactor Crucible as a result.

I think it's odd that the Reactor Crucible is capable of using both outputs at max capacity, but only when the items used produce different liquids.

[wispy grove]

then make another battery factory

[fervent tendon]

So instead of doing 4 in the same spot

[dark furnace]

yea but you know how to tell which one is which right?

[fervent tendon]

Do 2-2-2-3

2*

Miko UR SO SMART

[tawny bear]

if i squint yea

[wispy grove]

🥹

[fervent tendon]

BC THEN THE BATTERIES WILL PROVIDE FASTER AND GO INTO THERMALS FASTER

[dark furnace]

I use the middle dot to tell

[fervent tendon]

[quasi locust]

you can certainly put the same liquid in both output ports, but crucible can't do the same reaction twice at the same time, only two different reactions

so one kind of reaction would be limited at one product /2s

[fervent tendon]

Ima still have 3 battery factories just so I can stack up on em

[wispy grove]

3 lines per factory(1 on each thermal bank(2 total)then 1 protocol stash)

[shadow hound]

I know

[dark furnace]

no dot = bridge
grey dot = spiltter
orange dot = converger

[fervent tendon]

Okay

2 battery units that go into the thermal banks the one in the middle that goes protocol stash?

[wispy grove]

im expecting alternate, but still 2 secs, which make things even slower. but i dunno maybe im wrong

[quasi locust]

my bad 😔

[wispy grove]

lemme check realquick

[wispy grove]

yeh

[fervent tendon]

Okay

[iron spoke]

for some reason xiranite underspends by 5 when I try to do that

[wispy grove]

wdym by underspends?

[wispy grove]

[iron spoke]

I'm probably doing something dumb

lol

[shadow hound]

BTW, what do you guys choose to use Metastorage Transfers on?

[cedar turret]

Dense origium powder for making HC battery in wuling

[wispy grove]

2 ways, dense originium powder or ferrium

[shadow hound]

I've found that sending Ferrium Ore allows for the creation of 4 Ferrium every 2s instead of 3 Ferrium every 2s

Which is nice

[wispy grove]

not technically 4, almost 4

[dark furnace]

clogged up by the crucible bug

[shadow hound]

I haven't noticed a difference even after days

[wispy grove]

are u lacking parts?

[shadow hound]

Still. What have you guys chosen for the xfer?

[iron spoke]

oh okay so the complex thing everyone been building the crazy pipes for

[wispy grove]

you have max ferrium ore, ofc u wouldnt notice

[dark furnace]

check your cuprium refiner, look if the sewage is clogged

[wispy grove]

lemme open my game real quick

[shadow hound]

And then just casually manually send ferrium or from valley 4 once in a while

[wispy grove]

i think dense originium is much better to meta transfer since its not worth using 2 SC batteries rn

every 40 sec i mean

[serene lodge]

Guys my originium mining rate is only 390/min

[shadow hound]

Speaking of I'm almost done valley 4 altogether. I plan to get 30mil, cap out on Batteries/Buck Capsules/Citromes, and then let it rest as a tool to help expedite Wuling stuff

[quasi locust]

harunachan made a table for the ratio. if you run 1/min comp, the 25/min ferrium from meta transfer would be sustainable without manually sending from valley 4

[shadow hound]

About four more days on that

[iron spoke]

I had this problem a couple days ago and it was because I never set up the nodes in hulu cave

[dark furnace]

what's your theoretical data

[serene lodge]

390

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[iron spoke]

#aic-factory message

[fervent tendon]

when i get to wuiling should i use hc batteries

[hoary crag]

temporarily yes while you set up your lc wuling battery line

[fervent tendon]

bc i have like 19k sc batteries

[hoary crag]

and also keep a small stockpile of it as well in case of emergency

[fervent tendon]

yea always i did that w sc and lc lol

[hoary crag]

waiting for the day they add a trimmed version for this

[wispy grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155849762420047974/1391768256372543609/Hifumi3.gif

who would want to trimm a tutorial?

do tutorial within 30 sec

[fervent tendon]

LMAO

everything would get outta my head by the time im done

[marble marsh]

I still wonder is there a actual use for medals or no?

[hoary crag]

just for decor ig

[marble marsh]

Eh then I'm not going to try and get them all

[hoary crag]

my current setup

[fervent tendon]

crispy

[hoary crag]

I also thought of adding the trimmed valley aic medal but I think the depot one looks better

if only they let us put sentries in boss areas, and give us medals when we beat them with just that

[wispy grove]

[wispy grove]

im sure theres more reforged ones

[marble marsh]

Would be a funny gamemode where we can't attack and only repair out turrents to beat bosses

[hoary crag]

ikr

[wispy grove]

you havent done umbral monument?

[hoary crag]

I have

[wispy grove]

okeee

[graceful quest]

do I have to get rid of sewage for the cuprium ore refinement?

[nova lodge]

initially yes.
but afterward, its needed for SC battery production

[graceful quest]

Oh. so how should I store it

[halcyon galleon]

No need to store, you'd produce more than you need

[graceful quest]

filling units?

[nova lodge]

as stated above, no need to store it.
just use waste water treatment plant to get rid of it.

[graceful quest]

how to do that?

[sudden hawk]

Well, not as clean as id like it, but 120/m is done and contained to only the one factory

ty again @quasi locust for letting me know the other recpie existed (^:

I should stop making LC wuling batteries, and the old Yazhen Syringe and only make the new ones right?

Does the math check out on that? I havent looked at it much

[paper arch]

beautiful

[quasi locust]

sure, you can do up to 12/min SC, 6/min yazhen A and 3/min yazhen C

[jovial breach]

there's some black magic going on while im offline fr

[nova lodge]

Tech tree lvl2 > research treatment plant, connect output of refinery to treatment plant, done.
and remember to power it
please read tutorial / do simulation to get a better idea about it.

[shell hinge]

2.75/min yazhen c, with metatransfer of ferrium ore

[quasi locust]

true

[graceful quest]

my bad gang. I havent worked on my factory in a month

[nova lodge]

no worries.
but yes, most of the foundation / basics are covered by the simulation.
unless its about SCWulling battery production....then yeah, that can get a bit confusing at the start.

(and annoying as hell)

[nova lodge]

tang^2 tax :3

you are mining in her stockade area, so she tax you :3.

[vestal tiger]

New pond spotted

[iron spoke]

something weird is going on with my xiranite farm. I have 4 of these set up exactly the same. and all of them flow production perfectly with no clogs. except 1. which clogs carbon powder in these two facilities. just another weird glitch?

[nova lodge]

please bear in mind that once that one of a kind pond is drained.....there will be no more sewage pond in the wild lul

[vestal tiger]

You heard of the sacing the environment

[nova lodge]

clogs are fine as long as your xiranite output is at max limit.

[iron spoke]

yeah I'm not changing it just was wondering if ya'll had insight as to why it was happening

[nova lodge]

just a hunch, but one of them might had been setup to run earlier than the other one, resulting in carbon clogs.

but hey, if nothing's wrong with it, don't fix it ;3

[iron spoke]

yeah I thought so too. I took the excess out and put it in my bag. just to see. and it was still stacking up faster only there.

[native coyote]

Can anyone share a bp for making batteries?

[sudden hawk]

So is there any way to have more control over the pipe control port?

or is it strictly just "Once X items have gone through never let anything through again?

[nova lodge]

Asia Server.

Xiranite: EFO01a6517e003A1ou5e.
self looped
Xircon: EFO019aE0AU66Ie45uI2.
self looped for sewage

that should cover the base, i just make modular setup for each components.

[nova lodge]

either:
X items pass through only
or
X amount of items pass through, then stop.

that's about it.

[sudden hawk]

Well thats not super helpful for sewage handling then

:/

[nova lodge]

it can be used in an alternating system, but under most cases, not really need to be implemented.

unless you want to go the extreme mile for it.

[shell hinge]

For a robust system, use priority flow

[sudden hawk]

Wait where is that

[shell hinge]

That will handle all cases with no manual input

[sudden hawk]

thats what I was looking for

[shell hinge]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1482466765459030056

[shadow hound]

IT BEGINS

[verbal garnet]

Yike

[nova lodge]

i went and used a different solution, but hey, it works :3

[shell hinge]

What did you use, closed loop?

[shadow hound]

Anyone know what happens if you log out down there and then log back in when it's full?

[nova lodge]

just a simple extra water treatment plant at the cuprium refinery area.
(3 water treatment plant, 2 conduit)

xircon production is backfeeded.

[shell hinge]

What does backfeeded mean?

[nova lodge]

the 1 extra sewage released during xircon production is reused for processing liquid xircon.

[shell hinge]

Okay, so how do you handle prioritization?

Even a closed loop requires partial priority flow to handle xircon downthrottling

[nova lodge]

xircon production will slow down regardless either via sewage loss / extra xiranite usage during offline mode. (just crucible things)

for my lines, since i just adjust it along the way, its a bit hard for me to explain.
let me login a bit.

[sleek rapids]

is this optimal or is there a better way to increase the income?

[shell hinge]

What priority flow solves is curpium slowdown, not xircon. Xircon is just the common cause

[jovial breach]

too much battery lol

[sleek rapids]

i thought its the best thing to sell?

[nova lodge]

just doing this atm.
extra water treatment plant at the end to remove excess sewage if it somehow produced extra

[vale topaz]

valley4 map ? you are still too far from maxing regional upgrade.
battery from amethyst and originium are better unless you are using amethyst for something else.
or battery from ferrium and originium

[jovial breach]

when you get to power plateu, you will unlock sandleaf which allows you to make purple battery, once you get to that you will immediately drop all lower battery and only make purple battery (HC valley battery) so now you dont have to minmax your production that much

[nova lodge]

for my xircon production line.

currently don't have issues with cuprium....its the annoying sewage / xiranite tax slowing down my bat =.=;

and yep, after about 3 hours....30 of my sewage water got stolen by tangtang

she do be mad that i had cleaned off her stockade sewage pool

[jovial breach]

hmm i dont see the issue here

[shell hinge]

Gods it is a pain to read base images

[last plaza]

I'm struggling a lot with inconsistent sewage output, is this only from xircon reactors or is cuprium refinement also inconsistent?

[nova lodge]

in theory, shouldn't be.
but offline crucible tax is annoying ;v

[shell hinge]

Can't tell the difference between splitters and convergers

[jovial breach]

just accept the loss tbh

[nova lodge]

yeah, just gave up a few hours ago.

on the plus side, my xiranite count is increasing.....i suppose.

[iron spoke]

what do you guys do with the extra yazhen powder?

[nova lodge]

carbon for deliveries :3

much more premium than using sandleaf powder

[shadow hound]

Bro I've been talking here every day since release where are my image perms

[iron spoke]

so double refine the excess?

does the depot pay more for it?

the extra stabilized carbon?

[vale topaz]

.... letting them clog the crucible ?
due to separating yanzhen production with yanzhen drink line, my yanzhen plant at warehouse always near maxed.
if require powder for healing, just craft manual from inv, required for daily anyway

[nova lodge]

sad that image saving doesn't show the full blueprint layout either

[shell hinge]

Okay, I'm pretty sure you are just using closed loop with partial priority flow

[nova lodge]

nope, just another stuff that can be used for deliveries.
that, or i just store the powder itself for deliveries.

[nova lodge]

yeah, its a bit hard to explain on my end.
fyi, they are all bridges / splitters only :3.

[shell hinge]

Then the build wouldn't work?

[nova lodge]

its still doing fine, 0 sewage in refineries.

[vale topaz]

if you want easy material for depot, why not sandleaf powder ?
with 4 forges, that leave 1 sandleaf powder output to storage.

[shadow hound]

Hehehehehehe

[nova lodge]

the extra one on the right will take care of the extra sewage that occasionally comes out.
so its constantly on and off.

[shell hinge]

At 60/min xircon? That setup cannot work without convergers

[vale topaz]

the day we can pour sewage and encourage pollution will be the day this game renamed into arknight diabolical

[nova lodge]

oh, if its the belt area, yes, got a mix of splitter and convergers.

pipes are all splitters and bridges to make things easier to manage
since i did stack them up as ai build along.

[shadow hound]

i actually tried it with sewage at first and the game said i was bad

[vale topaz]

yeah, the dev knows about players diabolical plan with sewage

[shadow hound]

I wanted to cover all of Wuling in sewage

For revenge for the stockade fam

[vale topaz]

... if you bother with making ferrium bottle, fill them with sewage ( filling unit ) and use them for delivery.
i think i saw someone here done that.

[wispy wren]

Is it a wise choice untangle your aic so soon?

[nova lodge]

?? for V4, maybe not.
but for wulling, its needed due to new ores and products

[solid python]

Added another 1/6 sewage treatment to make Xiranite Components. Now making both Components.

[nova lodge]

[jovial breach]

i gave up splitting the sewage

[soft iris]

can anywone give me blue print to get Comprium comp and xiarinate comp

Pls

[jovial breach]

you dont need bp to make those, the hard part is making the ingredients for component

[subtle finch]

oh you switched to backfeed? i saw your sc production earlier

[nova lodge]

been using backfeed all the while.
attempted to fix the sewage lost, but just gave up later

offline tax is far too annoying to deal with.

[subtle finch]

this is the most prone from offline clog

[uneven aspen]

How much xircon is taxed in 24 hours?

[nova lodge]

my problem is the reverse, not enough sewage

so production slows down a bit (the sewage just mysteriously disappear while in offline mode)

[subtle finch]

around 1560

[subtle finch]

that's sus

[nova lodge]

i blame tangtang for drinking it

then you will find that your xiranite mysteriously stolen somehow

[hardy drum]

how do i keep cuprium line from filling for sewage for SC wuling battery production

[nova lodge]

instead of sewage this time.

[subtle finch]

he said he has the opposite problem

[iron spoke]

theres no use for inert effluent right?

[uneven aspen]

my solution of a 3rd xircon reactor works in preventing dips.

So now the idea is to add control port the 3rd reactor to have enough extra xircon in stashes. This should prevent the extra reactors from running offline to be taxed, assuming I let it make the extra xircon online.

[nova lodge]

you just can't win against the wulling IRS dept / stockade sus residents.

[vale topaz]

you store xiranite via protocol stash ?

because stash seem also quite.... broken, even when online

[halcyon galleon]

Hi all, can I have help with this setup? I keep coming back to see the setup clogging on the right side, assuming it's due to axcess sweage which clogs the facilities

[subtle finch]

also priority system require an additional treatment unit, it's ideal if you make cuprium comp. but if not backfeed is easier solution

[halcyon galleon]

the left side dies too because it relies on sewage from the right side

[nova lodge]

yeah, it's self looped doing its thing in a corner.

granted, i am not losing xiranite atm, its just that the usage jumps up and down due to crucible issues.

[subtle finch]

did you check your refinement then? that should be filled with sewage, by the nature of priority system always having sewage filled

[subtle finch]

omg, that's also the same as mine, you're technically backfeeding too

[vale topaz]

i solved my xiranite number by just rerouting it exit directly to aic / depot loader
was observing my xiranite stash, with 4 usage, the stash keep eating 5 of them.
not sure if this only for xiranite or due to heavy use of xiranite at wuling or because simply no way to overfeed xiranite into storage unlike other resource at valley4.

[nova lodge]

yay, more bugs

[subtle finch]

i explained it earlier like this: you have 2 static sewage source from 2 refinement.
by simply changing one to crucible sewage as the source, that changes the system from static sewage to dynamic

[small creek]

thank u, i will use this

[vale topaz]

was separating xiranite into 2 stash, each for 2 forges.
was clogging them to run test, and watched the number transported was odd.
the 1st stash lose 4, the 2nd stash lose 1.

since sending the output directly to aic / depot loader, no more missing xiranite.

[subtle finch]

basically that one treatment unit is dedicated to one refinement unit, you're still technically backfeeding. prio is redundant

[vale topaz]

current xiranite use , 2 for xircon, 1 for battery, 1 for red component

[halcyon galleon]

um I'm not understanding it but I trust you do you have blueprint? else I just manually copy

[nova lodge]

i just focus more on SC battery production and loop out a bit for Components.
the slight lost of xircon production due to sewage lost does help with upkeeping mysterious losses for xiranite.

[halcyon galleon]

is this 2 shredders stacked, and the belt is just to pass the powder from previous shredder? Big brain

[nova lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-endfield-conveyor-belt-perlica-spin-rotation-gif-7305792637597681273

[subtle finch]

personally i would still think it's the backfeed that is regulating it. if you send sewage crucible to treatment like most problem i see, that priority loop wont do anything.

[solid python]

What do you guys do with your empty space?

[nova lodge]

just be on9....and the problem will somehow mysteriously dissapear...

no more sewage lost

[subtle finch]

i still don't believe this. from my step analysis, if one liquid xiranite is deleted, one sewage is also deleted/not produced by xircon crucible. you can't really produce liquide xiranite faster. so excess sewage means nothing

[earnest ruin]

Current data or theory data, which one is used to build a base?

[nova lodge]

make random stuff ;v

[vale topaz]

right side data = possible amount being produced and used, counting even unpowered building.
left side data = real usage.

[nova lodge]

both, but current data is more important
theory is just max limit.,

[earnest ruin]

So if I use enough energy, left side is the good one

[nova lodge]

yeah, not losing any while on9.
sewage just dissapear when offline

it will become 1:1 again lul

[vale topaz]

your sewage disappear, my liquid xiranite disappear despite no extra xiranite being used.

after 10 hours, each crucible line at my place will have extra 100 sewage unit.

[nova lodge]

producing components on the side, so its around 56 ish.

[subtle finch]

can you send a pic of this crucible, that looks really odd

[nova lodge]

welp, gotta take what i can, its annoying to deal with sewage loses among other things.
at least my cuprium refinery is stable and clean~~

[subtle finch]

oh nvm, wrong sender

[vale topaz]

just curious, is your sewage run through in/outlet ? or just direct pipe from cuprium refinery ?

[nova lodge]

using conduit outlets for one of the crucible, backfeed the other one.

[subtle finch]

can i see the pic of that setup

[sudden hawk]

Whats the total input for Coprium? 120?

or am I missing a node somewhere

[vale topaz]

owh, i didn't use backfeed, since it might be a hassle later on when moving around or reinstall it via blue print

[earnest ruin]

I asked again, with this data, is it ok to keep it like that

[nova lodge]

the backfeed looking good for me, can copy paste multiple times the exact same layout with BP
does need to connect the conduits though

[solid python]

Negative feedback loop

[nova lodge]

yea, water is fine.
its just the backfeed sewage mysteriously dissapearing while offline.
so one crucible runs at full capacity, the other one slows a bit.

[winged oriole]

Surely I'm done now

I think backfeeding sewage is just kinda a bad idea

[vale topaz]

me ? i'm semding sewage direct pipe from refinery to crucible.
installed a fluid tank in between due to offline bug, after 10 hours, each sewage line will magically get extra 100 points. ( can up to 300 when 20 hours ++ )
the cuprium line safe.
whenever online, have to turn on water treatment to drain the sewage.

[sudden hawk]

1 Xircon just needs 1 Cuprium refinery to loop infinitly right? The 2 second per operation is breaking my brain

And of course reuse the output

[subtle finch]

erm, that's actually ok, it just means you have buffer of liquid xiranite ready to pair with the coming sewage.
my setup is the same, i intentionally fill it with liquid xir first before sending any sewage

[nova lodge]

for 2nd half of crucible, the backfeed connected one.
i GUARANTEE you by tomorrow, that sewage is gonna be gone

which will become something like this:

[vale topaz]

the backfeed gone because the source of the backfeed will run out of liquid xiranite.
at my side, that's my bug.

[nova lodge]

and this.

[vale topaz]

liquid xiranite from the 1st crucible which make it

[nova lodge]

crucible do be taxing many things

[vale topaz]

yeah, else my setup will be fine.
and no need for fluid tank or turning on off water treatment when online.

[nova lodge]

well, i am producing components for my other crucible.

[subtle finch]

this is my setup, i think you're actually right, since we're both mixing our refinement sewage with crucible sewage, that balances it out. their issue is both type of sewage are isolated

[nova lodge]

hmm, there is some i might be able to try, might be a silly way to do it though.

[royal eagle]

[nova lodge]

its stable at least :3

[subtle finch]

i recommend you add it to the conduit lane, then split it between the two. that should even out the issue.
might need to move the crucibles around to make it work

[royal eagle]

[vale topaz]

oh wait, sry, didn't read this post.
i thought you were asking about sewage from cuprium to crucible
you will need reading from both side.

case of example : mining.
right side will show you maximum theory income / minute, example 120 in / 120 out
then you run production.
the left side show you , example 120 in / 150 out -> from this reading you will need more income to feed your production line.
if left side show you, example 110 in / 110 out -> from this reading, it indicate something is clogged in your production line, either the end product is maxed or one of the process is clogged by byproduct.

[subtle finch]

that's actually enlightening. i see many setup here with the same isolated sewage
like this 2. i didn't consider they actually need to be merge. if not for that report

[nova lodge]

let me see if i can apply a duct tape solution before needing to 💥 my whole base

it sure is hyper annoying when one needs to make builds while accounting for bugs ;v.

[subtle finch]

well know this makes it another thing to explain to others

[nova lodge]

[subtle finch]

for those that said your backfeed loop is producing less offline, sorry i doubted you.
you basically need to backfeed both by merging it with the refinement sewage first.

[rough forum]

do we ever unlock faster belts? ts so slow 😭

[rustic radish]

Anybody got a battery saver for 1.1 wuling?

Feels like a waste to use 2 SC batteries

[olive flower]

No throughput upgrades other than adding more belts/pipes.

[nova lodge]

duct tape completed

dealing with offline bugs sure is a headache

[olive flower]

And no real logic for anything like overflow valves.

To my knowledge.

Or you have to make parts for them.

[twilit iron]

Right so ahm, will we get a form of "If overflowing anywhere else, use this" sort of logistics unit sometime?

[olive flower]

Region specific resources maybe.

[subtle finch]

sorry, my recommendation yesterday is half wrong, you need to merge the sewage from xircon to here, so both are essentially backfed
else one crucible wont be receiving enough, while one is receiving too much.
the red line is the new fix*

[verbal lintel]

np, i ended up putting xircon reactor sewage into the top effluent reactor, and cutting the pipe between the top and bottom reactor (sewage) so the external sewage line only goes to the bottom effluent reactor
its only stable because my cuprium parts are currently stable

[rustic radish]

anyone?

[unique forge]

I wanna farm the Wuling cash faster, but I don't know how to improve it without screwing up with my AIC power

[subtle finch]

#aic-factory message
yeah, that solution is flawed, someone shared an issue

this was their setup

[verbal lintel]

is it due to xircon reactor lagging behind? i read somewhere in another aic channel that its slower offline by a decimal

i guess ill have to link them both up tomorrow for a minimum of stable half

[nova lodge]

yeah, pretty much.
which is real annoying since that isn't mentioned anywhere in game.

[subtle finch]

#1484387702903275692 message
avy made a writeup about the whole bug. it's output getting deleted from crucible

[twilit iron]

i hope they add something of this sort, sometimes my factory stops completely beause it produces more than it can handle. But how can i do that?

[unique forge]

please help, im stuck on how to improve this without ruining the AIC's system

[verbal lintel]

tangtang and the local pirates have secretly installed pipes to drain 0.6% of our local production...

[uneven aspen]

overload the crucible with sewage then send excess to treatment.

This requires more sewage at the input than what the crucible consumes though.

[twilit iron]

this only works with fluid or with conveyors too

[uneven aspen]

the concept is there's 2 paths, you force fill path 1 until it's blocked/clogged then it will just go through path 2

[subtle finch]

this requires 2 treatment unit at the end if you don't backfeed im sure

[verbal lintel]

a destruction unit sounds like a dumb idea but would be pretty useful here

[lusty violet]

yazhen/jincao gives double the carbon compared to valley4 plants
and your valley4 plant setups are only operating at 50%, you need 1 seeder and 2 planter each for valley4
wuling plants is 1 seeder 1 planter

[twilit iron]

OOOO i see now, so the left path is the core one, the right to the crucible is the secondary?

[verbal lintel]

autosellers would work but could still be clogged by outpost balance

[uneven aspen]

crucible is path 1 once it's full it moves on to path 2

[uneven aspen]

also not sure about it working on conveyor belts

fluids move near instantly

while belts travel ,5/s

you can't overload and move on i think while pipes move more than what a reactor consumes

[nova lodge]

Duct tapped things so hard i am not sure what does what now

all in the name of coverage for offline / crucible issues.

[uneven aspen]

the other wya to do is #1482466765459030056 message

[verbal lintel]

they would have to do something if they intend to add more sewage items that cannot be so simply disposed off with one factory component such as prevent waste from being destroyed
in other games, pollution tends to not be as easy to remove as it is here (there is no actual pollution, it just clogs your factories production)

[nova lodge]

i may just forego offline bug fixing down the line if this keep up =.=

[twilit iron]

hope this works

[unique forge]

that's a problem, i dont' really know how to build it to be effective enough. I managed to do it normally in Valley IV, but Wuling's limitations really put me on the edge with how little you can get out of the Forge of the Sky

[twilit iron]

rofl

[small creek]

hi

[unique forge]

are there any visual recipe examples i could see and simply replicate?

[nova lodge]

its not too bad really....as long as you don't account for bugs and offline delays =.=

or pwm for the matter

[solid python]

It's a bit old, but it works.

[nova lodge]

i personally always put my sets in a corner and focus one items for each, instead of making them interconnected with other building chains.

example for xiranite line

[solid python]

I just shoved as much as I could into the Outpost.

[trail fulcrum]

Can one sprinkler only serve one field plot?

[nova lodge]

max is 2

[trail fulcrum]

Ohh how? Just put it between them?

Oh silly me, game even shows the range

[nova lodge]

yep, just put it in between

for your reference

prevents npc from getting stuck on the farm @trail fulcrum

[trail fulcrum]

Tyvm!

[halcyon galleon]

done yay this setup will clog xiranite water right? so there's a xiranite tax daily

[dark furnace]

your xiranite is still 1:1 to crucible, so it won''t

[halcyon galleon]

nicee thanks @quartz marten for letting me copy

[dark furnace]

oh do you mean you want to clog liquid xiranite, or don't want to clog sewage in the crucible?

[subtle finch]

yes, this shouldnt clog. those prio flow are redundant though, it just goes to one location

[dark furnace]

those what is this

pipe not connected

[nova lodge]

wifi powered ;3

[halcyon galleon]

I don't actually understand what is prior flow yet

[halcyon galleon]

I was having excess xitanite for a bit probably from the initial set up, so I drained it out for bottling later

[subtle finch]

it just means one lane fills up first, before the other directions can evenly split

[dark furnace]

basically it means you want to have sewage pumped to the crucible first to supply the production, but when the crucibles get clogged due to bug while you are offline, the excessive amount goes to the treatment, instead of clogging your cuprium refining unit

[halcyon galleon]

Ahh ok, initial reference I followed connects it to the treatment unit but I found that quickly drains my sewage, so I am disconnecting it until I see the sewage is clogging

[halcyon galleon]

I see and I follow this to set up the prio flow right?

[inland perch]

dammmit all this time i forgot about clearing the wild outbreak in my jingyu valley 😭
no wonder my stock efficiency was bad

after u clear it can u jus remove all ur guns cuz it's a waste of power for me

[small creek]

just 1 splitter will do

[subtle finch]

that is only for when all 4 refinement unit goes to crucible, your other half already go straight to treatment, so it's not necessary

[inland perch]

can i remove my guns to save power after i've cleared the outbreak

[nova lodge]

yes

[subtle finch]

basically, your setup is already working, don't touch what's not broken

[dark furnace]

Dam, going back to normal build actually made the graph even more stable than the buffer build I made a few days ago

the dent was even caused by dipped xircon useage, not yield

[halcyon galleon]

you mean like this ? doesn't seem right

[halcyon galleon]

ahhh you mean this?

[subtle finch]

yes!

[halcyon galleon]

Thanks all, you are all big brain

[dark furnace]

you can even just remove them as we probably need to place new ones for next levels anyway

most likely*

[rustic radish]

why is it showing red? i followed the most liked blueprint design for v4 in the server shouldnt it be self sufficient

[nova lodge]

that's just theoritical data.
ignore it if your current usage is stable

theory = maximum limit. (in this case, some buildings isn't running at max capacity)

[rustic radish]

this is what the important stuff looks like

[nova lodge]

looking good.

[rustic radish]

Is there any way to get the battery usage down? im using 4,5k and its using 6,8k

[nova lodge]

quite a lot of ways.
changing your combat towers to using battery
optimizing zip line routes.
using less buildings in AIC base.
using PWM setup for battery usage.

[rustic radish]

Do u have any PWM setup to recommend?

[uneven aspen]

you can use HC valley batteries

but manually transfer from depot in dijiang every few days

if you sell everything in valley outposts and batteries last you should have 3-3.5/min extra of them

enough for 2 thermal banks in wuling

[nova lodge]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1473948199449530408

here is a PWM example

if you wish to make your own, you may need to learn how to use this website:

https://dige.aunly.cn/?lang=en

i do have a easy setup for PWM, but i am not in the game atm to show it easily.

[uneven aspen]

😔 trying the idea of being online making extra xircon, so the extra reactors making redundancy don't run offline

[subtle finch]

you would need extra forge for that. or you will just be using your xiranite reserves

[atomic prairie]

Are two Wuling sc battery lines, one yazhen syringe a line, and an inefficient yazhen syringe c line using up the last of the ferrium supposed to be enough to fully cover all the sub pac stock bill production? I'm using 3/12 sc batteries/min for power.

[uneven aspen]

nope

just means i need to occasionally turn off gear component usage

or lower 1 battery usage of xiranite

the amount taxed should be the same as normal

when offline

since the extra crucibles wont be running

[subtle finch]

math isnt mathing

[nova lodge]

my mind fail to comprehend too many math

if i rebuild my base, i think i will just ignore offline delays altogether....it just felt worse than pwm

[inland perch]

can one hydro pump support 1 high, 3 low?

for rigs

[nova lodge]

yes

[inland perch]

i jus know 1 hydro pump supports 3 high idk how many low

[atomic prairie]

One pump can supply 3 high purity rigs, 6 low purity.

[nova lodge]

if its just low, then 6

[inland perch]

so wuts optimal here

[subtle finch]

first rule of equivalent exchange, xiranite or liquid xiranite destroyed can never come back come back.

[nova lodge]

you would still need 2 pumps :v

[uneven aspen]

im still getting taxed

so yes it cost extra to make the extra xircon but im only making them online

[unkempt estuary]

level up your uh

regional thingy

[uneven aspen]

that just means if im running low on xiranite, i need to lower xiranite usage from geari comonents or 1 battery

[inland perch]

is this not levelled?

[uneven aspen]

all im saying is the extra 3 reactor crubiles dont run offline

[subtle finch]

goodluck with that

[nova lodge]

new daily task added, manual control your crucible daily when you enter and exit the game

[unkempt estuary]

press esc and go to regional development

and check the regional development metric

[inland perch]

im lv9 max wym

[serene geyser]

2 high 3 low is max we could get right now on this spot

[inland perch]

yea ithought so

[unkempt estuary]

oh this is Wuling

my dumbass thought its valley 4

now I checked again

ye we're cooked for now

[lament raven]

Well, the outpost literally ran out of space for production. But 4 heal items and three batteries are being made after all

[glad needle]

chat is this item cannot be produced anymore or what?

[real crescent]

you can produce it, but you dont see the recipe until you discover it yourself (shoving poop and liquid xiranite into a forge)

[glad needle]

oh so you have to manually make it ?

[dark furnace]

@wispy grove I revised my overflow buffer

should be safe with 2 treatment but better with 3

[lunar abyss]

why is the ferrium bottle line getting clogged?

conveyor speed while offline?

I have no other ferrium output

[subtle finch]

how much ferrium do you have in depot? both line are running at like half speed, so shouldnt be the case

[serene geyser]

does reactor crucible making liquid xiranite+yanzhen need 2x water?

[lunar abyss]

I have one refinery producing ferrium the rest are metastorage of 1500 per hour

aside that 0

[lunar abyss]

no, 1 water every 2 seconds

[nova lodge]

well....its both at the same time, so if both is being used as well, then yes, its 2 unit per 2 seconds / 1/s

[lunar abyss]

why is the bottle line getting more tho

it should be distributed equally no

no matter if there is 0 in depot or 1500

it doesn't matter at the end of the day ig

[dark furnace]

part to bottle ratio should be 2:1, you have 1:1 rn so the bottle clogged

[nova lodge]

assuming if its at 0 FE in storage as mentioned.
the recipe requires 10 parts to 5 bottle (if i am correct)
based on image, no splitters / convergers are invoved.
if that that is the case, with both receiving the same amount of FE, parts needs 2 sec production time per part.
while bottles needs a total of 6 second (due to the delay of 1 line)
so over time
the bottle will get clogged as ferrium parts move faster and out of the way asap, while bottle will get backlog.
does take a long time though, over a few hours.

[lunar abyss]

bottle needs 2 ferrium, part needs 1

[dark furnace]

oh wait one sec

let me take a look deeper

[subtle finch]

merge and split this lane just to be safe, when you ran out from metastorage it might cause uneven distribution

[dark furnace]

can you open the filling unit

[lunar abyss]

I cleared the bottle out but it's input and output both were full

[waxen linden]

Anyone know what I should input for min battery % and max waste for the solutions to use SC wuling battery on oscillating? It only showed up once when I enabled belts but I'm trying to avoid that

Everything else is forcing HC valley battery on oscillating

[lunar abyss]

this ok?

[dark furnace]

I suspect when you go offline and there is not enough stock in depot, some unloaders would have priority over the others. I used to have issue with xircon loading into depot first then one of the battery packaging unit had more xircon than the other after I went offline for a few hours. That packaging unit even have left over xircons

the xircon used to be at 0 all time

[dark furnace]

or just use a splitter

from one unloader

[subtle finch]

it should be, i think both splitter and stash remember which one went last, output bus can't so it's a race

[lunar abyss]

this seemed safer lol

[lunar abyss]

my xircon line keeps getting clogged up, it drove me insane for a few days but I have now accepted it

I just have a fluid tank in the middle of each line for sewage which I drain from time to time

all this could have been avoided if the fluid tank had an overflow valve

was this bug (or feature) present in 1.0? don't remember stuff getting clogged for no reason

[subtle finch]

default 5% min, and 200-500w waste. it's harder to find solution with the new battery, so there's a lot of lost

[dark furnace]

just use overflow spliter + convergers

[solid python]

If you split from 1, your output is 1 because you don't use an unloader. Protocol Stash also instantly transfers to the other side.

[lunar abyss]

it's not always 1 tho

I get 1500 per hour extra

[lunar abyss]

what is that

[solid python]

I don't meta transfer Ferrium Ore. I meta Dense Originium Powder

[lunar abyss]

I don't need to do that for now since I am making gears

[nova lodge]

meta amesthyst instead

[dark furnace]

ngl stash would be better in your case as it lets you import from 2 unloaders when you have enough ferrium, and it makes sure you split evenly for the part and bottle

[lunar abyss]

I get enough power from 12 banks using ore

[dark furnace]

converger+splitter capped you at 1/2s input

[solid python]

If you have space for it, a Protocol Stash is better than a Splitter

[subtle finch]

i find this is the safest solution

[dark furnace]

the stash doesn't even need power btw

if you power it just remember to switch it to storage mode

[lunar abyss]

this just caps output at 25 per min right

[lunar abyss]

yea I turned it off and switched