aic-factory

[vast iron]

And depot stash being 3 outputs is really limiting

[finite latch]

TRUE

[small creek]

you can prio split the facility directly after the unloader

[finite latch]

anyway batery productions online

[haughty wharf]

Ima pray and take a look at my ferrium usage

[finite latch]

hell yes

[vast iron]

I mean prio split between many unloaders

[warped delta]

I've never seen a single wuling job, so I don't even bother. Glad I'm not that OCD to care

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[vast iron]

Like which unloader is always full, etc

[small creek]

hmm

[vast iron]

Having to do it with stashes basically forces all ores of 1 type together

[small creek]

you just want to use a set amt of depot unloader forever right

[vast iron]

Which is beyond anoying

[small creek]

for ferrium

[hallow monolith]

honestly i should just go play factorio

[vast iron]

Idk if i have the effort to try

[small creek]

fuck that bro

[vast iron]

But probably will give it a go

[small creek]

let the 1.5/min go

its not worth it

[vast iron]

gqh

Gah

ok

I give in

[small creek]

oh ffs bro is gonna priosplit the ferrium between syringeC and xircon

[vast iron]

I think i have an idea

For calibrating cuprium usage

[small creek]

just priosplit it too

[vast iron]

It does involve prio splitting

Ima make it and send it to you in a bit

[haughty wharf]

Why it look like dat tho hory xí xí

[small creek]

ive already done it so uhh

yeah

i barely understand the theory anymore atp

i just did random shit and it suddenly worked

[vast iron]

No i mean
Itl make it so that cuprium usage always 100% matches xiranite

In components

[small creek]

thats what i did 😭

[vast iron]

oh

[small creek]

more xiranite used = more cuprium goes into comp

less = less

[vast iron]

I mean i just wanted to make a funny machine

[small creek]

you can still make a funny machine, no ones stopping u

just know that i have already done it

not that it matters

[vast iron]

Its a different way of making it tho

Might be pretty compact, tho idk how compact yours is

[small creek]

did u just say.. compact?

[vast iron]

The main benefit is it wont be clogging based tho

[haughty wharf]

Why is my ferrium 15/min usage

[vast iron]

Oh no, please spare me

[small creek]

whats wrong with clog based

clog is peak

[vast iron]

Idk

Just to show i can?

[small creek]

ppl thinking clog is inefficient is one of the saddest misnomer of all time

[pulsar cypress]

*all blame to sewage clog.. XD

[vast iron]

Clogging is my goat but red X hurts my eyes

[nova lodge]

sewage clog isn't though :v

[small creek]

what im saying is

[nova lodge]

mineral clog ish good though :3

[haughty wharf]

Theres nothing wrong with clog. Clogging my batts is how I get them to cap and sell

[small creek]

its not always bad like some ppl say

sometimes it is bad tho

sewage clog then cuprium slow, now thats bad

[nova lodge]

sewage clog means cuprium slow means yazhen slow means component slow.

[small creek]

yea

[nova lodge]

what an amazing domino effect

[small creek]

but clogging crucible with sewage to send the excess to water treatment?

peak clogging

[nova lodge]

crucible clog ish fine, since its not hindering anything.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/586588921614303233/955017065918513202/W_6000RPM.gif

[small creek]

crucible clog is automatic sewage management tech

my fav

[haughty wharf]

Best tech I just worry about my xircon material clogging lol

[nova lodge]

doubt that is an issue ;v.

[haughty wharf]

Not anymore since i had the pipping rearrange

[pulsar sail]

that offline bug is really costing time '_'

[nova lodge]

better not think about the offline bug too much...

[lusty violet]

it's not actually flat 11 tho, im getting like 11.72

[pulsar sail]

yeah, but still, at least even with the bug the stock bill goes down

oh I forgot to take in account I use batteries, I don't sell them all, damn

[haughty wharf]

Offline bug? What offline bug?

[pulsar sail]

sheesh, 10+ days to clear the bill

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-hand-dog-gif-11300778

[pulsar sail]

the bug where crucible make item vanish

[wispy grove]

should i pull for tangtang? for stockbill puposes

[haughty wharf]

I think the only bug I have to deal with is my water conduits randomly disconnecting from eachother

Its mad annoying when it turns off my xiranite

[pulsar cypress]

Still better than mine..
Suddenly mining rig stop working make my ore depleted..

[lusty violet]

why not wulfgard? same bonuses for stockbill, just no prosperity

[haughty wharf]

What the... that can happen?

[pulsar sail]

that's another issue I guess, we did a lot of testing the past 2 days here, there are item missing in the crucible output, you put exactly 500 water and 500 powder, you get 497 juice, no remaining powder. so I guess if you have pipe disconnect, that a new bug?

[pulsar cypress]

Leaving my game half a day just to find when login my ori ore from 57k to about 600+ left at depot..
When i check, some of the rig not working.

[wispy grove]

i mean yeah im using him but once the new update comes, icreasing lvl 9-12. it may took longer for me to lvl up. if i use avywenna, ill lose potential stockbills

[lusty violet]

just swap to avy when trading, unless you forget to swap like me

[static isle]

do yall think they'll fix the crucible offline slowdown

[wispy grove]

will they increase region lvl on rossi update?

or nah?

[lusty violet]

nah

[hoary crag]

btw have you figured out the exact item breakpoint where the crucible starts throwing stuff in the void?

[wispy grove]

if not then ill stick to wulfard

[hoary crag]

wasn't it between 150 and 160?

[hushed blaze]

It can happen when the AIC power lost reserve and not enough power

[pulsar sail]

that made me mad... the breakpoint is 155->154

[haughty wharf]

Maybe on zhuayang update or whatever her leak pants name is

[static isle]

fangyi

[pulsar cypress]

My rig stop when offline even if the power overflow..

[hushed blaze]

With additional scenario that all originium ore were transported into thermal banks for very long time

[static isle]

happens a lot with deep PWMers

[pulsar sail]

worked x2 360 and x3 (500)... but at x4 (620), I had a -7 loss, not -4

[hoary crag]

hmm

[pulsar sail]

so it's either a quantity or a duration

[vast iron]

I just realized i have 0 clue how to make priority convergence

Fuc

[pulsar sail]

but the longer it is the worse it get

[hushed blaze]

You were using water rig?

[pulsar sail]

then I stopped testing, rebuild my base, forgot a sandleef loop and lost 10hr of battery

[haughty wharf]

I don't use PWM so it doesn't happen to me

[subtle finch]

I don't think we have evidence if it's deterministic or random. only that 497-498 out of 500 came in out of one crucible.

[hoary crag]

rip

[pulsar cypress]

Yea.. 3 rig per pump.. Not minmaxing..
Water good, power good 334/340..

[hoary crag]

happened to me when I switched my xiranite component line into an lc battery line

forgot to turn on the sandleaf loop that compensated for it

woke up to both my sc and lc lines at 50% efficiency and was lowkey panicking why tf

[pulsar sail]

and that f...ing "water off" option on the planter...

[hushed blaze]

Man, wish there's control item depot that allow pass one item per time interval

[pulsar sail]

omg, why "quantity" and not "rate" limit

[echo lava]

Why does reactor crucibles not clog from sewage? Its still producing stuff....
bug?

[pulsar cypress]

Me just give up with that clogging or item missing..
My brain not smart enough to fix it..
Just leave it working as it is..

[hoary crag]

when you turn the power off instead of the water option

[shell hinge]

That's what chaining splitters are for

[hoary crag]

sewage is an input, so it doesn't really affect output rate

[pulsar sail]

that's the input, it's not "clogged"

[hoary crag]

but it will clog whatever the sewage came from

[pulsar cypress]

Sewage is supply, wont clog crucible..
But it will start clogging the facility source it come from..

[pulsar sail]

clogged is when the output can't exit

[echo lava]

Seems to be working fine for whatever reason

[shell hinge]

Are you sure? It's not possible to tell from that image but it is suspicious

[hushed blaze]

No its about to be clogged.

[pulsar sail]

if you have 1 exiting it's not clogged, but it's borderline here 😄

[haughty wharf]

I thinks its already clogged💀

[pulsar sail]

the image says "working", but, is it working 100% here, not sure

[echo lava]

But where is that 1 going? The crucible its connected to is filled

Its producing stuff dw

[iron stratus]

how many depot unloaders is it for a sc line excluding xircon and sandleaf

[shell hinge]

It's not possible to tell from a static image if it is producing at full throughput

[haughty wharf]

Have you wen offline with it yet?

[pulsar sail]

8

[echo lava]

yes, multiple days

[shell hinge]

The 50 sewage suggests it is not

[wispy grove]

no room for sewage overflow when you go offline. yeah your cuprium wont get 1 per 2secs, that like 0.5 or slower

thats the reall offline clog

[wispy grove]

did you open your game recently?

[echo lava]

Im not struggling on cuprium so its fine, its just that i found it weird that the machine still works

[echo lava]

Just logged on to check since my friend was asking about that machine

[pulsar sail]

not power efficient, but you send all your end product sewage to 3, not 2 treatment (merge and split 3 way), I didn't have clogging since yesterday

[hushed blaze]

Lowest possible is just 1 cause just unload dense originium powder
From raw materials, at least 3

[wispy grove]

why you havemaxed out cuprium

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[shell hinge]

Of course it still works. If you drop below maximum xircon production however, expect slowdowns in cuprium

[wispy grove]

dang thats clogged in both ways

[iron stratus]

at least 3

so

great

[echo lava]

I felt a bit mischevious one day and made 2 additional cuprium farms

[hushed blaze]

Yeah you can build more than 3 if you want it really fast

[wispy grove]

i guess it wont hurt to try that too

i have overflowing cuprium ore anyways

sadly i cant use that for comps cause xiranite is so limited

[pulsar sail]

hmm, you don't produce 6 syringe/min?

[wispy grove]

i do but ofc, we keep fixing factories

[pulsar sail]

ah true

[echo lava]

that reminded me to activate my cuprium gear for the night. Running low on it now

[wispy grove]

it delayed so much that it reached maximum

[uncut jungle]

so uh what the heck do i do with the sewage from making the cuprium parts

[haughty wharf]

This is what you want your cuprium to look li- actually nvm you dont want it to look like

[somber snow]

a lot of ppl's SCs fluctuate when they go offline,
is it becuz of pipe convergers?
cuz mine doesnt

[pulsar sail]

when you look "2h" just after logging in, it has 0 variation?

[wispy grove]

2 hr and 1day graph will say otherwise

if it goes 11/min yeah yours fluctuates too

[haughty wharf]

Mine is fine

But why my cuprium part look like this thoe

[somber snow]

oh yeah i just checked,
2h has 0 fluctuation,
but when i look at 1 day

[wispy grove]

you are using only 1 fitting unit

or maybe not

[somber snow]

its 11/min

[wispy grove]

why is that 48 bro

[haughty wharf]

Hold up one of my water conduits mightve disconected

[wispy grove]

try 30min

[iron stratus]

is there anything i can do with the extra 1 sandleaf powder line

[pulsar sail]

have you used a blueprint where your pipe disconnect?

[wispy grove]

put it on depot

or just let it clog

[haughty wharf]

No, Its just my water conduits sometimes disconnect when Im offline so my xiranite or my cuprium just breaks

[somber snow]

why,
smaller time frames have smaller fluctuations,
i dont think thats as reliable to look for offline inconsistencies

[pulsar sail]

that's really strange that bug...

[haughty wharf]

I thinks its because I have too many water conduits

[wispy grove]

ocd people would disagree. it should be perfectly straight 12 even when they sleep

[pulsar sail]

I"ve switch every water in AIC to inlet/outlet, it may help, less long pipe

and globally less pipe

[wispy grove]

nah just joking

if fluctuations doesnt bother u then just let it be

[haughty wharf]

Idk

[pulsar sail]

you want a small joke... you see that dip in xircon production , 2h graph, 1h ago I was in v4

[haughty wharf]

Am I using too many pumps

[somber snow]

true,
im too tired to give a shit tho,

30min has 1 dent with 12/min,
2hr has 2 dents, i checked again
1 day is 11/min

piping's a bitch

and the crucible too like ppl said,
the formula planner messes up often becuz of its emptying

[haughty wharf]

This the piping im using just a simple loop

[wispy grove]

how much sewage does it give before it reaches the crucible?

[haughty wharf]

46 max, 6 minimum inside crucible

[wispy grove]

no no i mean per sec

[haughty wharf]

2

[wispy grove]

from 2 refineries?

or 4

[haughty wharf]

Yeah from 2 refineries

[vast iron]

Finished my side quest

[wispy grove]

oh okee

[vast iron]

rate matcher

[pulsar sail]

can you translate? 🙂

[wispy grove]

what are u doing

[hallow summit]

Is my factory optimize enough?

[vast iron]

depending on what speed the xiranite output is set to, cuprium will auto adjust to have the same output

[pulsar sail]

oh

[somber snow]

YES

[wispy grove]

too fast, slow it to 20% speed

[hallow summit]

I mean you can pause

[somber snow]

also, if ud want,
u can modulate ur cuprium parts to make cuprium components

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-laptop-drake-gif-21716481

[somber snow]

u need to modulate other stuff too as well tho

[hallow summit]

I already have sub one

This is main AIC

[pulsar sail]

you can go more here, give you 1 syringe C / drink more :), but that's good enough as is, not judging you if you want to stay at that level

[hallow summit]

Ya no worries that one is enough

[somber snow]

i thought the report shows yield and usage for all,
not just for a specific AIC

[haughty wharf]

Guys do you see it

[vast iron]

please do not

[hallow summit]

Nice factory

[haughty wharf]

Not mine

[somber snow]

i dont see it,
what am i looking at

[vast iron]

dont bother

its not worth it

[somber snow]

wait, i can vaguely see it

but im not sure if im seeing what ure seeing

[haughty wharf]

Nah nah you hallucinating

[pulsar sail]

some niche have niche, and then there is this thing

[vast iron]

Mustve been the wind…

[haughty wharf]

Mustve been the wind...

[somber snow]

🍆

hmm

[vast iron]

the wind is strong today

[haughty wharf]

Naaah the wind being nasty

[vast iron]

wind is dirty minded

bad wind…

[haughty wharf]

The wind is sorry and is crying in tears right now

[wispy grove]

i still dont get it

[vast iron]

I AM IN TIERS

you have dessecrated my work

[haughty wharf]

Im sorry 😭

[vast iron]

respect 0

[wispy grove]

the wind is stagnant here

[vast iron]

[haughty wharf]

Wasnt there another shape?

You couldve made it

[frail trail]

I'm sensing a pretty big elephant here

[vast iron]

If i saw that earlier would i have made it??

[hallow summit]

@somber snow

[pulsar sail]

I thought it was intended

[hallow summit]

I did other stuff too

[haughty wharf]

True, its not like its obvious anyways

[somber snow]

weird, there's no graph in ur AIC report,
but thats only under 10/min, there should be 1

[vast iron]

bro its a technical post…

[hallow summit]

I turn them off

[somber snow]

yeah, that figures

[hallow summit]

I still have that many component

That reason i did

My main lava but I still get other character like Yvonne or tangtang I lost both 50/50

[somber snow]

id say 20k is a good amount,
but if u're not artificing anymore, then yes

[hallow summit]

P1 lava

[somber snow]

good lord, i cant even do that dmg,
i also have p1

guess i gotta learn rotations again

[fluid fog]

does corrosion stock?

[hallow summit]

My combo

[haughty wharf]

Ive seen someone do 4m. Dmg with perlica lmao idk how

[hallow summit]

But it is not from lava right?

We talk about lava

[haughty wharf]

You're lævatain is better than mine lmao

[somber snow]

im trying this out

if its actually that ez,
my wulfgard is 100% useless now

[hallow summit]

Might be less simple you need timing

With basic attack

And skill

[fluid fog]

still simple than Avy combo XD

one wrong move, everything fail.

[somber snow]

akekuris ult for lavas skill

and im assuming gilb is timed with arde

[hallow summit]

Ah I forgot I use twice sheep skill

No wonder corrosion not there

After I done combo

[hallow summit]

True

Depend on stacking

[somber snow]

oh yeah, im assuming u're using thermite on ake,
while the others have their sigs?

[haughty wharf]

I dont even bother with ards sheep combo skill

But im using wulfgard tho

Idk if it translates well with gilberta

[hallow summit]

@somber snow

Here build

[somber snow]

ah, art intense

[haughty wharf]

Ahh I still need that lævatain wuling essence

It won't drop

[hallow summit]

I play lava like this

421k damage without food and crit

628k damage with crit no food

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/cpu-on-smoke-cpu-blasts-potato-pc-gif-24592403

oh wrong gif

[somber snow]

i could just read the descriptions and study it,
but im stubborn, and i just wanna fight

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-smoking-hot-on-fire-angry-mad-gif-8233902307301077349

[somber snow]

me when i play wuwa on max graphics

[shut hearth]

man i love seeing combat videos in the factory channel

[somber snow]

we should send some factory blueprints in the team-building channel

[small creek]

we having gang wars now?

territorial dispute ahh

[shut hearth]

anyway, has anyone figured out how produce xircon from just one reactor instead of two?

[small creek]

either you BUILD (character) or you BUILD (factory)

[shut hearth]

sorry but no war here, just disagreement

[hallow summit]

I know how

[small creek]

lame

[hallow summit]

Recycle

By remove xiranite bit or use less space

Lemme show

Wait

[shut hearth]

hey u can deploy to iran soon, america has a trend of saying "dw we will end it soon" and well... you know

[small creek]

no

[atomic fiber]

is that even possible?

[small creek]

idt its possible

[warped delta]

Nam started with 4200 advisors ... the same number of advisors a person gets here trying to diagnose their offline battery consumption

[shrewd knoll]

if you input 50% of the resources at intervals, yes

[small creek]

wtf

[atomic fiber]

how about producing xircon effluent in 1 crucible instead?

[marble yarrow]

do even output ports change automatically

[shut hearth]

that's the problem, they dont

[shrewd knoll]

use shared pipes

you're already going unhinged crucible

at 50%

you are risking it all

[small creek]

oh hell naw

[shrewd knoll]

to use it on one

[small creek]

out of here with that shit

can u make liquid xiranite AND xircon in one crucible tho

[shut hearth]

that is ez yeah

[small creek]

oh my god

[atomic fiber]

tbh xircon crucible already eating 5 space

[small creek]

i really have to redesign everything

[atomic fiber]

you crucible only have 5 space

[marble yarrow]

its ok in xircon, powder can vanish in the slot

good luck with the timing

[small creek]

i will put ferrite and xiranite powder in same crucible no?

[shrewd knoll]

the timing is easy if its not running at 100%

[jovial breach]

Sounds like hell to do

[shrewd knoll]

at 100%, going offline probably will break it

[atomic fiber]

how

[small creek]

one water input, the other is xircon effluent input

[marble yarrow]

if you want to save reactor placement, rather remove the lone yazhen/jincao reactors first

[small creek]

yeah i already did that #1483752511557992458

but you know, you can remove the crucible here and use the ones in xircon

but that means integrating meds and xircon

and my xircon already integrate with batt

dont even get me started with whats integrated to my meds

[marble yarrow]

cursed 50 power savers 😭 well, it saves a lotta space also

[shrewd knoll]

just build up the other resources and have the other 2 stagger enter the crucible and it should immediately output it before the next resource goes in

[small creek]

i love crucible but i also love killing them

[hallow summit]

Here

[small creek]

theyre so good that you cant have too many

[safe matrix]

guys im new to AIC so please dont flame me

[hallow summit]

@shut hearth

[shrewd knoll]

if the 2 main resources you are switcing out ever stacks, its going to break it

[marble yarrow]

yeah the good thing is that ferrium powder can vanish on its own

[small creek]

this sucks 🔥

[atomic fiber]

have anyone tested that if you don't run crucible at full eff, does the crucible tax bug still apply?

[small creek]

i dont get it

can u send a screenshot of crucible screen

[shrewd knoll]

the simple way would be to merge your ferrium powder and xiranite and have them alternating going in

so they can never stack to 2

[hallow summit]

Just 2

[jovial breach]

Hmm so like you have to slow your ferrium belt down a bit ?

[shrewd knoll]

it gets more complicated with liquid

[small creek]

i rreally need to see the crucible screen to properly visualize this

[safe matrix]

is aic hard to learn?

[small creek]

easy to learn hard to master type thing

[hallow summit]

It is impossible to produce xircon with just one

[marble yarrow]

yeah, and also as long as it doesnt build up

[small creek]

theres layers to it basically

[hallow summit]

It is not effect way

[atomic fiber]

is combining the xiranite liquid with xircon effluent crucible possible?

[safe matrix]

aight thanks

[small creek]

thats what we are trying to do

lol

[shrewd knoll]

not enough output

[small creek]

i think its possible but idk

[shrewd knoll]

its already producing 2 liquids, a third isnt welcomed

[small creek]

what

oh xircon effluent

not xircon xircon

this is why i hate xircon

[marble yarrow]

liquid xircon

[shrewd knoll]

liquid shredder next

[small creek]

wow

[shrewd knoll]

xircon into shredder and get more sewage

[hallow summit]

This from first and second you can get xircon

[shrewd knoll]

so we can do a fully closed loop

[small creek]

shred liquid and you have gas idk

[narrow garden]

do facilities consume double power if you place two pylons near them

[marble yarrow]

it doesnt

[small creek]

oh so its like

[atomic fiber]

no

[small creek]

5 input and output total max

[hallow summit]

Check this Qyurii

[small creek]

cant have 2 input liquid, 2 input solid, and 2 output liquid

[hallow summit]

I forgot to put dust feriumm on it

[small creek]

thats ass

guys my dreams are shattered again

[jovial breach]

[hallow summit]

No worries I won’t do that

I just made 5 instead

For 30/min xircon

[small creek]

i want 6 total

please i need this

[hallow summit]

You need only 5 tho

Reactor

[small creek]

you have ti alternate xiranite and ferrium powder

i want 4 reactor

[hallow summit]

I already did that

[hallow summit]

Still 4 reactor not effect way

Because that liquid need 2

If need only 1

Yes goes for 4 reactor

Or maybe 3

[small creek]

i dont even know what we talking about anymore

[hallow summit]

We talk about xircon

[small creek]

i sleep

[atomic fiber]

can someone show me picture example of how xircon and xiranite liquid can be done in 1 crucible even not at full eff?

[hallow summit]

Do you have amnesia

[shrewd knoll]

just converge a belt of ferrium powder and xiranite

so they can never stack

[atomic fiber]

oh...

[hallow summit]

I’ll try

I should put the dust on it

[shut hearth]

first off you are feeding it xiranite only 1 every 8 seconds
second you are using two reactors no?

[hallow summit]

Let see if possible get 1 xircon

On reactor

[hallow summit]

Yes it is not that effective tho

You get 1/min

From 1 reactor

Xircon

[hallow summit]

Still recommend using 5 reactor

[shut hearth]

....

[hallow summit]

To get 60/min

Unless you have enough space to save some

On main AIC

I still have more to place loader

[shut hearth]

Im just trying to find a more fun or interesting way to use the reactor

[hallow summit]

Same

[hallow summit]

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[hallow monolith]

when you hit perfect equilibrium with your cuprium bottles and parts 👌

[hallow monolith]

ur artificing gear??

[hallow summit]

I do

I turn them off I have too many

[marble yarrow]

underused ferrium

[hallow summit]

I use that later

No worries

Because I reach 512 limited already

[marble yarrow]

bruh

[wispy grove]

Me casually risking my resources

[narrow garden]

how do i quickly craft everything in blueprint

[iron stratus]

it's so scary when i rebuild my factory and i have no clue if anything works and i just have to boot it up and see if i did it right or wasted 8 hours of my life again

[wispy grove]

its not a waste bro, its called learning process

[hallow summit]

Don’t risk it

[wispy grove]

use blue print code?

[narrow garden]

i mean like after i've placed it

[wispy grove]

wdym?

[wispy grove]

fair enough

[narrow garden]

like when you dont have the mats it'll show transparent facilities

[hallow summit]

You know meaning if reach 0

Ore one

Keep it full 58k or maybe 40k

Ore

[wispy grove]

click the placed blue print, theres a crafting icon below which direct you to the crafting section

[narrow garden]

tyty

[hallow summit]

It seem like overuse but my originum grew up

[wispy grove]

i think xiranite is the one that limits every production

[hallow summit]

True

But I still stay at 58k

Xiranite

120/min usage and 120/min yield

[wispy grove]

but since stockbills are also limited, farming so much comp will just go stagnant either way. so i guess farming comp every min isnt worth it.

[hallow summit]

You can get more stock bills from tower defense

[wispy grove]

already done

[hallow summit]

I did complete them to level 3

With auto defense too

[hallow summit]

They might be limits

But yield faster than our produce

[wispy grove]

yeah

[hallow summit]

Like 3x times

[wispy grove]

make 9sc/min instead?

[hallow summit]

Nope stay 12/min

Better for stock bills

54

[hallow summit]

You can turn off component

If you had enough

Like 2k

Or 4k

They cost only 50 component

[wispy grove]

yeah i think i have enough

[hallow summit]

Cheaper than our product

[hallow summit]

Is not like you can use limits gear for 1 day and expire

You can use gear forever

With upgrade too

[wispy grove]

fair enough

[hallow summit]

If you want upgrade gear can turn on component back

[hallow summit]

Like this one

[shut rover]

You guys weren't wrong

Crucible definitely ate my xiranite

[bright zodiac]

im halfway to 58K cuprium components, (already done xirsnite comp)

have 58K xiranite, 58K LC wuling battery, all originium related stuff at 58K and 80K

[hallow summit]

Tbh don’t put component 58k too much

Otherwise there new component

[wispy grove]

nah just 10k

[hallow summit]

The old one will be useless

[bright zodiac]

its not about im using it, i am very aware

[wispy grove]

people who hoards comps are doing that for the love of the game

[bright zodiac]

its about maxing it, like i have amethyst comp, ferrium, cryston comp, at 80K

[hallow summit]

Isn’t 58k

Nvm

[bright zodiac]

yea but for that 3 comp, i only did it at v4, not wulin

[hallow summit]

On vallery you can do to craft what you need is

Units

[shut rover]

Having more than enough just mean i won't have to rebuilt the fitting compartment when i need new sewage factory

[bright zodiac]

true, gonna make vids soon, showing my v4 having ALL ITEMS at 80K

A L L

[hallow summit]

This

[wispy grove]

my origocrust is always at 80k, i keep 1 refinery of it alone

[pulsar steeple]

God why is this so expensive

[bright zodiac]

u r 1 step to becoming me

[hallow summit]

Ya those useful

To craft more

[bright zodiac]

yez i have all of them 80K

A L L
seeds, cryston, cryston powder, cryston fiber, cryston bottle, component, parts rverything

[hallow summit]

Ya same

But I spend them for stock bills

[bright zodiac]

i even have 10-30K facility that i know i never use them

[small creek]

help

[hallow summit]

Power?

[bright zodiac]

facility, 1K tower 5K zipline 80K pylon , 10K unloader, etc it varies

before resources cap, i spent the "parts" or origocrust or smthf

[hallow summit]

Ya you craft too much than I spend them stock bills

[bright zodiac]

but if you play since day1

u already clear all v4 stock redist item by now, i even bought all sanity ticket

[hallow summit]

But I play 22 Jan 2026 of release

Till reaching wuling within 4 days

[bright zodiac]

thats day1

[hallow summit]

To 26

[bright zodiac]

👌

[hallow summit]

And ofc I got lava within 5 days

I use end mins and pog for speed run whole

Start

Keep lost 50/50 for ardelia

[small creek]

i just saw a 16.6k wuling delivery

and laughed at it

[bright zodiac]

yea, endmin carry is very effective especially with POG, its jst thatridiculous

[hallow summit]

Guard that the one guy here

[bright zodiac]

some ppl are too poor, they said they don't or cant bother to raise the delivery item

[small creek]

yea escort their poor ahh out of the establishment

[bright zodiac]

do they dont know how to make excess item?

[small creek]

my yazhen make too much powder

i just take from there

[hallow summit]

You can reduce them no worries

[small creek]

i destroy them in depot yes

but also use for delivery

[bright zodiac]

BEST thing for delivery

erhem
sandleaf powder
(yea basically yazhen, jincao, powder is free stuff too)

[small creek]

free delivery fodder

[hallow summit]

Almost 60

Right now I’m reach level 59

[small creek]

i used to have a dedicated sandleaf powder farm

but then i saw i have extra yazhen

so i just turned it off to save power

[bright zodiac]

thats day1 and not spending "limited" sanity booster (only spend the timed one)

[bright zodiac]

its for v4

[hallow summit]

Uh I spend them

[small creek]

for v4 i also make excess sandleaf

[hallow summit]

And use them 80 sanity

For rescoure

[bright zodiac]

i still have like 24 or 30 limited sanity booster that ill never spent

[hallow summit]

Ya as f2p for me

[small creek]

@bright zodiac lookie here the flying miss messenger has a extra sandleaf for you (in my HC battery)

[hallow summit]

Idk about this one

[small creek]

dedicated sandleaf farm: 35 power
take extra from hc batt: 5 power (stash)

easy money

lets make buckets

[bright zodiac]

well, basically anything excess will cap to max

its just, no way u cant cap every delivery job item to send

its jst poor behavior

[hallow summit]

I always 100% delivery by zipline

[bright zodiac]

i mean, some ppl send 1 item, instead of 6K, 14K items

so the value of their deliveey is.....

[pulsar steeple]

Imo keep one battery fully powered, but to be honest, if that works then keep it that way

[hallow summit]

Yea 1 sc battery per 8 second left before expire

If I make more it will expire -4 second left

For 1 battery in thermal

[bright zodiac]

it depends heavily on how much power usage you are rn, and manage the timing for saving

it will change

everytime if your power usage is different

[hallow summit]

I use 4,6k wuling and vallery same times

[bright zodiac]

im at 3.5K now

im so cooked

i throw in LC v4 with delayed power

[hallow summit]

Ya because my factory big

But I try optimize to make it more

Let see

[wide pollen]

is it bad if I use a lot of bridge, merger and splitter? Idk if this a good idea but it looks good for me lmao

[misty parrot]

Are there enough wacky waving inflatable arm flailing tubemen to fill out AIC bottom tier for Wuling yet? Found all I could see on the map and im like 3 short

[native laurel]

yes

the golden ones count for 2

iirc

[misty parrot]

Well Im dumb, I see I missed one at the very bottom of the map...

[iron stratus]

protocol stashes trigger me so much i hate when a bp uses them

[subtle finch]

conduits should just stayed pair when moving if they're both in aic

[subtle finch]

i hope you like my factory then, zero stash

[native laurel]

goated sushi line

[iron stratus]

yes it's beautiful

the optimal power usage makes it even better

[native laurel]

real

im using 5.9 myself rn

[upper fiber]

time for stash trigger

[iron stratus]

easiest block of my life

[native laurel]

i ave a 6:17 minute zipline route im fooling off with

[upper fiber]

welp time to block back

[iron stratus]

it was a joke i didnt actually do it

[small creek]

hell yeah civil war

war is never about mercy

they cant handle my lance

[upper fiber]

it is cold war so it is okay

[small creek]

bring out the laevatain

[upper fiber]

i'm last rite user

i'll use laeva when her 6* teammates out

if not powercreep yet

[bright zodiac]

yoooo what about this? (i made it within 90s and leave it for 30h)

[wispy grove]

im ahving a hard time visually edit my factory

screenshot on phone, send it on canva whiteboard, open pc to rearrange it, i missed a spot within the area, boot up the game again to screenshot, repeat the process

[bright zodiac]

errr screenshot it from pc tho

[wispy grove]

cant

my pc cant handle it

maybe having a hard time is not the right word

its more like, very time consuming

[hallow summit]

I found effect way for battery

[hoary crag]

ngl the batteries moving on the belts at that speed is somehow really satisfying to watch

[hallow summit]

Ya I keep factory turn on

Always off at 71% power

And return to 100%

[hoary crag]

I mean you could also try saving more by letting it dip further

but yeah you'd have to put it back to 100% every cycle

[hallow summit]

That prob enough

It stay 100%

It been 1 hour

With that repeat 71%

[hoary crag]

also how did you manage to even use up 4.5k power

just curious

[hallow summit]

Zipline

[hoary crag]

I currently run my most power extensive setup and I'm still at 3.6k

[subtle finch]

most item produced that fits on screen. minimum power used

[unique plover]

why is the aic showing 12/3(1,2) at 10 min and 8/3 at 1 day?

[hallow summit]

It is from your yesterday

[tall thunder]

When are we allowed to sell Jincao Tea?

[hallow summit]

And 10 min is about how you rebuild factory right now

[unique plover]

oh

oh so its the last 10/20/30 minutes and day

[lapis nexus]

1 water pump can feed 4 machines right?

[unique plover]

i thought this was a projection

[hallow summit]

Those just record

From yesterday about your factory

And now you rebuild that

[hoary crag]

2

[upper fiber]

it is the average of your data for 24hrs

[quasi locust]

if you are just edging one bank, you can check if you return to full reserve in <40s in aic and it will be safe

[hoary crag]

the water pump supplies water at a rate of 1s

most facilities use water at a rate of 0.5/s

[hallow summit]

Well if you done factory wait for 30 minutes you will see it

[lapis nexus]

isnt it 2/s?

[hallow summit]

Or maybe 10 minutes waiting after you done factory

[hoary crag]

pipe capacity is 2/s

[subtle finch]

a pipe can carry 2 pumps, maybe you're confusing it with that. you can then split it into 4 machines

[hoary crag]

but the pump itself only supplies 1/s

[unique plover]

how do i make swage not overflow without making my reactors thirst for sewage?

[hallow summit]

Water treatment

[hoary crag]

so you can have

2 pumps -> converge to 1 pipe -> split to 4 facilities

[lapis nexus]

oh my god

[unique plover]

every time i do it the reactors are out of sewage next morning

[upper fiber]

put fluid tank between, 3 tanks for 1 day

[subtle finch]

let me guess, you're short on pump and not at full effiency

[quasi locust]

oh that is the crucible tax

basically crucible taxes 3 output for every 500

[unique plover]

the what now

[hallow summit]

Yea I already figure out

[unique plover]

is that the only fix?

what do i do with the contents in the tank then?

[quasi locust]

while offline, your liquid xiranite is taxed, leading to excess sewage

[hoary crag]

the crucible somehow takes out 3 outputs for every 500 cycles when offline

no one knows how it works, no one knows how it happens

[upper fiber]

water treatment or bottling them

[unique plover]

but water treatment sucks too much out it

[subtle finch]

to be specific. everything crucible makes

[unique plover]

and i run out of sewage

[hoary crag]

if we're following the sc wuling battery line, the main taxing crucible would be the liquid xiranite crucible

[quasi locust]

ye ye, but just keeping to the case of why sewage overflows

[hallow summit]

@unique plover it been 2 days won’t ran out

[hoary crag]

which causes sewage to eventually outpace liquid xiranite output and clog the effluent reactor's sewage input

[unique plover]

wtf is the crucible?

[hoary crag]

which in turn

[hallow summit]

It still process like normal

[hoary crag]

clogs refinery output

[hoary crag]

reactor crucible

[upper fiber]

put pipe control belt in front of water treatment and set it at total sewage you gained on fluid tank

[unique plover]

so u want to drain ur xiranite out?

[subtle finch]

and if you backfeed, that cancels out the sewage buildup

[hallow summit]

120/min

I still hit 58k

Also 60/60 min too

[unique plover]

no i mean u want to take it out of the reactor

[hoary crag]

time to fill the pond with xiranite

[unique plover]

?

[hallow summit]

No worries I still have other space ya know

[upper fiber]

how it is look like for 2hrs (if you offline before)

[hallow summit]

I haven’t rebuild factory from 3 hours ago

Well sure

I check

[young stag]

my aic didn’t shit itself after a day for once

[unique plover]

so do i do 3 for each?

[hoary crag]

on my end I just ended up adding tanks as a buffer

so I have a larger window for when I should manually clear it out before it fully clogs the refinery output

[unique plover]

of the refinement units

[upper fiber]

yeah, just to test out how much you get first

[unique plover]

i feel like theres a spike of sewage somewhere

and i idk where its coming from

[hallow summit]

You can do factory without manual

And let auto do it

[hoary crag]

nah it's okay lol

it takes less than a minute to clear it anyway

[subtle finch]

the only reason i keep recommending backfeeding is it requires the minimum treatment unit, that still solves the offline sewage issue.
if you have xircon-sewage imbalance, like making components, any other solution is fine, since you'll be needing more than 6 treatment unit for that

[unique plover]

like this?

[upper fiber]

so only liquid xyra or xircon get taxed? sewage no tax?

[hallow summit]

@upper fiber

[quasi locust]

everything from the crucible, crucible taxes every item equally

[upper fiber]

uh i'm not sure how it is before, are the sewage to the reactor still good with that

[subtle finch]

everything that goes into crucible has a chance to get deleted. why sewage is an issue is because most players feed 4 sewage from their 4 refinement unit.

[hallow summit]

It is 2 hours now

Stay same thing

[lapis crane]

tbh we forced 2 in 2 out anyway

[upper fiber]

and you feed 4 liquid xyra to reactor too?

[subtle finch]

yes

[upper fiber]

so both are 4, why one has extra?

[subtle finch]

the idea of backfeeding is half your sewage supply comes from crucible themself. so it avoids buildup. instead of constant 4sewage from refinement

[upper fiber]

it is because from reactor and not from refining unit?

[unique plover]

should be stable now right?

[hallow summit]

I mean you don’t need worry about swage more

Can use this as

[tall thunder]

[subtle finch]

if your 1 liquid xiranite gets deleted for example. only 3 was made in 2sec. while 4 sewage comes from refinement 4-3 = 1 excess sewage

[upper fiber]

how it is before you added tanks, it is straight line to water treatment?

[unique plover]

yeah

[hallow summit]

That your sub AIC?

[upper fiber]

i think the tanks should be on the other sewage pipes

[unique plover]

MAIN

oops

[hallow summit]

You don’t need add more these tho

[upper fiber]

not on the water treatment one

[hallow summit]

This should be enough already

[unique plover]

idk man its working

[upper fiber]

just add 2 if no space

[unique plover]

i dont have my refiners close to my reactors

[hallow summit]

You can make one

[hallow summit]

If you make like that it will be extra works

[unique plover]

so use this?

[hallow summit]

For fluid tank

[hallow summit]

Just check this real quick with cuprium ore on unloader

[unique plover]

problem is i cant fit these lmao

and yeah i know spagetti

[subtle finch]

here are my recommendation of example backfeed setup that others made here

[hallow summit]

You could use these

To make less look mess

[unique plover]

if i make some refiners for sewage and connect them to conduits it also works?

or do they need to be close to not dilute

[hallow summit]

Connect sewage to reactor

[unique plover]

i dont have space

but i do have space for conduits

and then i build the refiners on the other side of the base

and use conduits to bring the sewage

[pulsar cypress]

It works for 2 refiner - 1 conduit..

[unique plover]

would that work

[hallow summit]

Ya your factory might be do manually

[tall thunder]

[unique plover]

u need 2 refiners for one conduit????

[pulsar cypress]

Or 1 refiner - 1 conduit to 1 battery plant like..

[pulsar cypress]

Maximum for safely ig.. Not must..

[quasi locust]

After some pondering, I realised that sewage can still build up in the initial input and the buffer need to be cleared too

[unique plover]

idk if i have the caprium tho

i only have 7/min left

[quasi locust]

Definitely better that less sewage that can build up tho

[subtle finch]

ive tested and checked it thoroughly, the only chance of buildup happening is when a crucible deletes stuff consecutively, it is very unlikely

6 treatment unit, not a single clog in a week when i relog

[quasi locust]

Have you checked the input from conduit as well, if the sewage accumulates there?

[subtle finch]

i made a video in fact, since it's hard to convince people

https://youtu.be/YD9hMxogphI

[hallow summit]

Use this way instead

I didn’t have Clog one too

[quasi locust]

Hmm can you check these two cuprium furnace, if their sewage are clogged?

Since they are the initial sewage input

[iron stratus]

woohoo my factory didnt break this time

[subtle finch]

zero too, sorry i forgot that

[vague reef]

what's max batt + potions yield with our resources right now?

[quasi locust]

Thanks. Looks good

[subtle finch]

i feel the fear from backfeed comes from seeders/planters. those require enough buffer of seed to stabilize

[lapis crane]

2.75 syringe C (ferrium metastorage)
6 syringe A
12 sc batt

and offline taxation
wuling in nutshell

[vague reef]

noted, thanks ^^

[quasi locust]

hypergryph: hope you like the aic liquid gameplay taxes your crucibles

[dark furnace]

dam

did anyone notice pipe spliters also have priority?

the three outlets aren't distributing liquid equally

[subtle finch]

[quasi locust]

here we go again

[hushed blaze]

Left > middle > right

[lapis crane]

is it 3 way split?
so double 2 way?

latter one ofc not equal

[dark furnace]

no, single splitter

[lapis crane]

is it clogged? then it could skip that one

need picture to see what happened

[hushed blaze]

What else you want a pipe splitter being split equally when there's only 1 liquid AIC item that cannot turn into decimals-

Same goes to belt splitters

[subtle finch]

luckily, liquids should be divided in groups of 2 or 4.
if it's 3 split, a 2/s should fill the system, then it would equalize

[quasi locust]

i am doing a test setup with 500 liquid and 3 way split rn

[hard phoenix]

im currently rocking this in wuling, is there a better design?

i made it myself but came across an issue

im wondering what'd be the best bp

[subtle finch]

let me guess, it's sewage?

[hard phoenix]

yes

shockers

[hard phoenix]

should i not make 11.5 bat?

i thought it was the best for wuling stock bill

[dark furnace]

i think it's a problem only if you are spliting decimals

[subtle finch]

it's totally normal, you need to deal with extra sewage if you break the balance of xircon.
i also spent time balancing thing out to produce components

[spare cradle]

Is this good or bad

[hard phoenix]

that does imply emptying my depot of part every once in a while

[dark furnace]

the problem with back feeding xircon sewage rn is that it's not full 2/s sewage, one of the xircon eff crucible is not working at 100% efficiency

[hard phoenix]

which kinda sucks balls

[hard phoenix]

kinda mid if i can be completely honest

[spare cradle]

Hm I guess I gotta rip everything out again

[hard phoenix]

idk if mine is as good as can be too

im happy with it for sure tho

[hard phoenix]

classic

[quasi locust]

hmm looks fine?

[hard phoenix]

reminds me so much of satisfactory

[subtle finch]

it only cuts to 1/s sewage at the same time as liquid/item gets deleted

[hard phoenix]

why 3

[subtle finch]

people forgetting that if both crucible are at 100% effiency. then we wouldnt be talking about this bug

[hard phoenix]

aaaaah it's a bug

okayyyyyyy

[dark furnace]

yea i just tested too it's just not working if you split decimal input

[hard phoenix]

im lowkey proud of my factory ngl

[shut rover]

18 v4 bats and v4 buck a aint the standard?

[hard phoenix]

i hope so

why

[sick basin]

Seeing how u habe 18 theoretical but 12 current, its bad
And theres surely 0 reason for u to eat 10 batteries🥹

[shut rover]

Because 12 buck a and 18 v4 hc batts are the standard

[quasi locust]

oh i forgot to ask, does your cuprium clogs? since it's from a yazhen A line, and yazhen liquid got taxed too (which can lead to clog due to excess in cuprium)

[hard phoenix]

idk if im just high but i don't understand what you mean

[subtle finch]

no, i produce more yaz solution than i consume. (2 crucibles)

[hard phoenix]

is 12 buck 18 bat the standard or is 18 buck 18 bat

[quasi locust]

so the input rate need to be lower?

[sick basin]

18/18/24 is the "standard"

[shut rover]

18 buck a is kinda alot more than the standard

[sick basin]

No its not

[shut rover]

I didn't know it even changed

[quasi locust]

yeah that makes sense. it's necessary to saturate the liquid yazhen line then (instead of trying to match the rate with cuprium 1:1)

[shut rover]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-nooo-no-gif-15386166586994163963

[verbal lintel]

can a 1 xircon/2s xircon production line be self sustaining for sewage for one effluent producing crucible reactor? as long as it starts with around 50 sewage, and there is enough to produce xircon, the reactor producing xircon will return half the required sewage to make a new xircon?

[sick basin]

Pookie, it never did
18/18/24 was standard instantly they made it

[shut rover]

Then i guess there's two side of standards

[hard phoenix]

oh yeah i didn't bother with buck c, i took that off at some point

i don't recall why

[shut rover]

Im not racking valley pass down again

Not like im running out of money anyway

[sick basin]

Without buckC you are missing bit to buyout the outposts

If u have the optimal ops assigned and have done the tower defence

[hard phoenix]

i mean anyway i bought everything there is to buy apart from the daily shit i literally don't need

apart from sanity usage permits, that's like 60m to buy everything

[hard phoenix]

im not

[sick basin]

Mathwise, u should

Eh whatever

[hard phoenix]

how many bats are you using

out of the 18

[shut rover]

30m v4 buck unused

[sick basin]

7~ ish

[shut rover]

Around 6 a min because 4 bank on one packaging unit

[subtle finch]

yes, you don't even need a buildup

[hard phoenix]

yeah ok same

idk dawg

[shut rover]

https://tenor.com/view/team-fortress-2-tf2-meet-the-engineer-engineer-meet-the-team-gif-14057419586862512541

[tall thunder]

[sick basin]

Is this what, 4.5?

No what
Nvm that looks weirdge

[verbal lintel]

oh right, the single external reactor can feed the xircon reactor at half rate, which will eventually min feed the other reactor and realign the ratio...i was preparing to pump 2 lines of sewage in for a start, ty

[cobalt oriole]

No its 4.5 u were right

1.5 into bottlers and parts

Into 0.75 bottles + 1.5 parts

[sick basin]

But it looks so weird

One refinery doesnt event have sewage output pipe

[cobalt oriole]

It does just looks clear

[sick basin]

Oh ye just noticed arrows

[spark hedge]

Xircon 60, yashinA 6, yashinC 3

[shut hearth]

bro why is it fluctuating

[cobalt oriole]

Delete YazhenC. Make a 1.5 hc valley with metastorage dense og powder

Consistent 1.5k power

That has no downtime

[shut hearth]

anyone realize doing this rn with excess amethyst?

[cobalt oriole]

I alr have maxed bombs no point

[wispy grove]

Hell nahh

I prefer using amethyst to make buckC

[vestal tiger]

I've too many bombs

[shut hearth]

fair i only have 30k rn

[wispy grove]

Make more

[sick basin]

Get rid of the control ports at the depots

[wispy grove]

Not enough bombs till eos

[sick basin]

[vestal tiger]

I've enough bombs to supply the us for about
I think 3 minutes of war
And I've like 80k

[shut hearth]

bro why, they help if i wanna do something else

[sick basin]

Control ports slow down the belt line

[vestal tiger]

How compact can wuling be rn?

[unique plover]

im tring to have xiranite component be build but with minimal xiranite bleed, is this too much?

[shut hearth]

my numbers disagree

[unique plover]

lik i want it to be working no matter the efficiency

[vestal tiger]

Assuming like
12/min sc, 6/min syringe and like 2.75 syringe c

[cobalt oriole]

Just control the speed of xiranite with the speed of cuprium parts

Let the belt and maker cap out on xira

[hard phoenix]

cus

[unique plover]

how

[cobalt oriole]

Then slow the cuprium/originium to your speed of liking

[vestal tiger]

Oh that's interesting

Add one more spliiter or converger at the bend
Cos they interact werodly with belts

Without a branxh

Cos items prefer to go onto belts instead of machines like splitters and covergers and bridges

I think

Or the opposite way

[unique plover]

LIKE THIS?

[vestal tiger]

Basically is skewed

[vestal tiger]

Ja

[verbal lintel]

xiranite to cuprium parts is 1:1, after clogging your xiranite usage speed will be forced to the same rate as your curprium parts speed