aic-factory

[dark furnace]

you need clicker for endfield btw, the game logs you out when you idle for too long

when other gachas normally don't do that

[nova lodge]

then gets banned for using 3rd party software

[fathom grotto]

every login you must pay a 10 pull or your account deleted

[quasi locust]

what can we do, quit endfield?

[fathom grotto]

nah we cant quit endfield, we can only pay them more money

[dark furnace]

negative pull currency

top up to balance it out

[fathom grotto]

mf thats just gambling debt

[dark furnace]

if you buy monthly you are free from the tax

marketing 101

[fathom grotto]

not even brown dust 2 marketing is this eggregious

holy profit maxxing guys

[wispy grove]

All i can say is i prevented sewage overflow by cancelling the build up using the lack of sewage from xircon crucible

[fathom grotto]

a bit confused once again but wouldnt sewage overflow just be a slight inconvenience to the culprium and battery production?

how would it clog the whole production

[quasi locust]

i just confirmed that my sewage builds up 😭

[wispy grove]

It halts your yazhen because u cant make cuprium anymore

Becuase ur refinery is full of sewage

[quasi locust]

i feed sewage from 2 cuprium to 2 eff crucible with 1:1 xiranite/xiranite liquid, cuprium refinery built up an 23 excess sewage while i was offline

[fathom grotto]

but the sewage is constantly being used in the battery unit?

[wispy grove]

Yeah but like i said, tax will prevent u from using every sewage

[fathom grotto]

it would slightly decrease the battery productivity?

[wispy grove]

U get less liquid xiranite, your sewage builds up, and once it reaches your refinery, it will prevent further production of cuprium

[wispy grove]

Yes 11/min

[nova lodge]

triple pain :v

[wispy grove]

If youre looping its 10/min

[quasi locust]

hmm i think tax and build up are two different issue? someone was doing a backfeed design so the deficiency in crucible tax and sewage build up cancels out each other or something

[fathom grotto]

yeah but even if that, overflow would only slow down the culprium being processed

it cant completely stop right

[wispy grove]

Tax is the cause, build up is yhe effect

[quasi locust]

the issue crucible tax causes is primarily less xircon and less SC wuling battery right?

[timber phoenix]

Moved a depot buss

accidentally moved 2 pipes with it

rip factory

💀

[nova lodge]

trying to edit a belt lane with pipes above via down view.
unable to touch the belt unless i delete the pipe above.
pain

[fathom grotto]

legit thw worst part of aic fr

[marble yarrow]

dont u use drag-select and double click the pipe after

i've grown to it

[nova lodge]

[cunning obsidian]

wow this is messy

[crimson inlet]

min maxing time...

[fathom grotto]

bro hasnt seen my shit yet

[marble yarrow]

lmao i just also installed this an hour ago

[quasi locust]

can i monitor my depot mats with it?

[atomic fiber]

3 game ssg

[marble yarrow]

anime train game is just easy coz i just auto 6x artifact run (240 energy)

and just alt-tab and go back reading to this chat

[crimson inlet]

sadly no 🥀 🥀 🥀

[somber snow]

story isnt even hard, just skip the dialogue

[quasi locust]

damn we were so close

[marble yarrow]

wait lmaoo imagine an online api for facility production

[crimson inlet]

I wish I can learn on how to play Resonance Solstice

the trading system overwhelmed me a lot

[marble yarrow]

soon™

[lapis crane]

but then all will know hidden taxation

[crimson inlet]

LOWLIGHT, GIVE US MAT CHARTS WIDGETS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[bright zodiac]

does that mean you are ded?

[crimson inlet]

I wanna draw for them

but I'm kinda ass

[lapis crane]

this is 5 mins apart

why I feels they are trying to lie about tax

[acoustic canyon]

is it possible to generate 12 SC battery while also making cuprium components

[lapis crane]

ofc no
both use xiranite

[acoustic canyon]

yeh ok just making sure im not majorly unoptimising my productions

[toxic forge]

tfw i lose 0.08% productivity every 12 hours (i have to end it)

[lapis crane]

yeahhh

[crimson inlet]

the greed of Factorio players when optimizing the whole factory for 0.08% more efficiency

[fervent lodge]

did you have any chance doing a test case btw

i have now determined the issue more or less and I feel like I have implemented the exact same bug they have in the factory by accident

just need to prove what it depends on (most likely the order)

[eager pelican]

yes no

[sick basin]

Technicaly speaking it is possible

Just not sustainable

[eager pelican]

we need moar forges

[somber snow]

wdym, it is sustainable

you just have to modulate both ur cuprium bottles and parts

oh wait, xiranite

well tbf

[glass jay]

How do u even make xiranite cuz I need amethyst in order to craft that makes xiranite but there are no mineral beds of it

[somber snow]

if u modulate ur cuprium parts at 5/min,
with a full stock of xiranite, ill take a month to deplete

[somber snow]

yazhen into carbon,
shred, then make dense carbon with sandleaf,
put into the forge,
add water

i dont remember if the facilities need amethyst to be made,
but u share ur stock with v4, so u shud be able to craft them regardless

[bright zodiac]

wuling people never heard of the word "amethyst"

what is amethyst

mustve been myth

[vast iron]

Amethyst is for the poor

[bright zodiac]

but cryston bottle is for the rich

[vast iron]

Nvm we dont have steel parts

Well cuprium parts is higher tier than cryston ig that says smt

[bright zodiac]

for that some reason, cuprium bottle is also easier to make

[vast iron]

Not if you include xiranite ig

[bright zodiac]

cuprium bottle production line doesnt include xiranite

[vast iron]

Oh wait

distracted

Cuprium bottles i have no clue ngl

[toxic forge]

the only possible explanation for xiranite forges being limited is that fangyi is evil

[bright zodiac]

[paper magnet]

im rich

[verbal lintel]

since conduit inlets and outlets have a speed of 2 units/s
does this also apply to their inputs and outputs? can they both take 2 units/s (with convergers and splitters obviously)

[nocturne forge]

any way i can optimize the xiranite farm?

[lapis crane]

stay online

or you will get taxed

[nocturne forge]

why?

[lapis crane]

crucible bug
liquid (xiranite) will get stolen

[nocturne forge]

tf how?

[subtle finch]

somehow i made it even smaller

[lapis crane]

only when offline

liquid xiranite magically disappeared (aka stolen)

stable 120/120 online

and then offline number be like

even sandleaf got stolen

[fathom grotto]

id like to confirm the glitch is true when you're offline

[nocturne forge]

my xiranite is capped

[lapis crane]

looking at your yield
it not just stolen
your factory are also broken

[nocturne forge]

i mean i havent completed my factory yet so :\

i turned my component farm off so my xiranite got capped last night

[hidden temple]

go send a batch to v4 so it doesn't stay capped

[nocturne forge]

i still hvent set up the syringe yet

[hidden temple]

or just continue comp prod

[nocturne forge]

does it make that big of a diff?

[shy kelp]

i was just about to come here to ask if there was a bug. i came online and my factory wasnt producing any batteries at all. teleported to my factory and it started running again, wasnt a power issue and i didnt even change anything

so its the liquid xiranite?

[lapis crane]

either sewage or liquid xiranite clog

I just use this to remediate the problem

also help when making component for auto anti clog when overflow

[distant sphinx]

whats the speed of max outpost currency regeneration in wuling

[marble yarrow]

36288

[pure egret]

is this better? added 4th sky forge

[distant sphinx]

that is per day?

[marble yarrow]

per hour

[tawny bear]

is it any more different than this >.>

[lapis crane]

basically pipe to crucible will get clogged when IRS came out to stole your xiranite liquid when offline

and even worse if you trying to make component with no stock on xiranite

that sewage will get clogged and also the cuprium output

[tawny bear]

good thing im not making comps then :v

[atomic fiber]

currently I'm trying if using offline belt setup that allow xiranite line to run at full eff on offline. can actually give enough xiranite to pay the crucible offline tax

have anyone else tried it beside me?

[unique plover]

is it normal that im not being able to keep up with the credits gen?

[tawny bear]

i got everything on sc batteries n yahzen A, so as long as i sell em before they get to 58k i don't gotta worry about overflow :p

[atomic fiber]

no

[tawny bear]

yea, if it runs out u wont be able to sell stuff :v

[unique plover]

no i mean they are generating money faster than i can sell stuff

[lapis crane]

I will going to use 50k cuprium ore

[marble yarrow]

you just arent producing enough items to sell

[atomic fiber]

not that setup. i mean the xircon capping setup.
so like you still feed crucible 1 line of Xiranite. but you have crucible to produce extra xircon. so your packaging unit have xircon capped.

for 12/min SC batt line, this mean 3 Crucible that produce xircon

[subtle finch]

I made a new cool bp
#1484525118125506620 message

[shut rover]

Talk about inefficiency

[lapis crane]

3rd pic pipeline is diabolical

[atomic fiber]

yes that one. and to pay that tax. I'm thinking about making more xiranite offline

[golden stump]

anyone got higher output ?

[shut rover]

It truly is

I would redo it but I'll wait for 1.2

When there's a new items to make

[lapis crane]

no
i got less
cuz offline

someone stole mine

[merry wagon]

income tax

[shut rover]

Oh my god

[iron stratus]

that's max yield but you could probably shave off some usage

[lapis crane]

one xiranite liquid among us

[shut rover]

I just realised im not putting in a second xircon effluent on the crucible

https://tenor.com/view/tf2heavy-cry-scouts-caps-heavy-rage-heavy-gif-20678232

[static isle]

do yall think the offline crucible slowdown would ever be fixed

or are we just stuck w it forever

[golden stump]

Pay tax to da chief

[subtle finch]

yes, and if not, it's a good lesson to manage uneven flows

im gonna keep saying this

the bug is similar to conservation of energy. Item getting deleted and people are still trying to make a perpetual motion to fill the ~11/min gap.
sewage and xiranite annihilate each other, having sewage buffer doesn't also help if xiranite/liquid xiranite gets deleted too.
you cannot fill that gap because you're ultimately bottlenecked by the forge

[merry wagon]

yes chief, glory to qingbo stockade

[shut rover]

I'll probably be fine if im not putting a second xircon effluent in

[lapis crane]

yeah
offline tax clogged my old base
so i just made this just to offset clogged sewage

also help when making component

[unique plover]

am i not tho?

[lapis crane]

but when i fix above

xiranite got clog below with direct xiranite line to crucible

then i remedy it with xiranite loop to deal with another overflow

[unique plover]

i thought 6-7 was optimal

[tawny bear]

https://tenor.com/view/manhattan-cafe-67-gif-11588944580505127459

[unique plover]

noooooooooooo

[lapis crane]

[lapis crane]

we got 2 battery line for 12/m

unless u got taxed and it show 11/m

[unique plover]

i have 2 battery line tho

[tawny bear]

most u can get is 12/min
if u send 1.5/min to a thermal bank u got 10.5/min, also known as 567 wuling stocks a minute
you'll be rich in 2 hours B3

[shut rover]

You can make 12 sc a min?

[tawny bear]

4 forges = 120/min xiranite
120/min cuprium = 120/min sewage

water is basically everywhere :v

[shut rover]

I guess i do need to revamp everything for the second time

[shut rover]

Oh right

[lapis crane]

and then 119 cuz taxed

[shut rover]

Im somehow using 120 sewage a min into a 60 a min xircon

[tawny bear]

you do need a sandleaf farm tho, the excess from xiranite production is only enough for one packager =3=

[shut rover]

Thats gonna be a struggle

[tawny bear]

lowkey it's not that bad

i haven't had problems so far :V

[lapis crane]

then it show 11/m battery

[shut rover]

What do you mean

[tawny bear]

maybe it's because my setup is so cool and compact

[shut rover]

Uhh, no

I didn't think i could

[tawny bear]

i reroute the extra 30/min sandleaf from xiranite production back to the depot so i can put it straight into a grinding unit

[marble yarrow]

fix your battery

[shut rover]

I probably had to experience 6 a min first before redoing it for a 12 a min efficiency

[tawny bear]

my setup is beautiful and symmetrical =w=

[shut rover]

I should also mention i forgot to use the other 30 for one crucible and instead created a second

[lapis crane]

lemme see 2 hours AIC result

[shut rover]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-heavy-tf2-heavy-team-fortress-2-heavy-team-fortress-two-thinking-gif-13167291159341927470

I'll figure out my own design later

[tawny bear]

my setup is so awesome im getting higher ore yield B3

[shut rover]

I wish a control split port exist

[subtle finch]

it looks like 5

[lapis crane]

11 wuling batt

u got taxed

[tawny bear]

well im not gonna have a long ass conveyor in the middle of my depots =3=

[shut rover]

How does the tax taxes itself

[tawny bear]

im shrimply that goaded

[lapis crane]

124 xiranite
but 11 sc batt

[subtle finch]

please don't. more crucible, more chance of items gone

[shut rover]

Say what

[tawny bear]

i only got 11 crucibles :v

[shut rover]

https://tenor.com/view/prowler-heavy-tf2-tf2-heavy-heavy-tf2-gif-454158740377507602

[tawny bear]

10 for xircon, 1 for yahzen juic

[lapis crane]

wait

does yazhen liquid also got taxed?

[subtle finch]

it's everything crucible makes, it doesn't discriminate a specific item

[lapis crane]

wtf

only crucible which that ate it all?

[lapis crane]

it does when offline taxation right?

[subtle finch]

yes, approx 7% chance to delete item every 2sec you are offline. if you run 10 crucible

[dark furnace]

I hate this (no sewage clog 2h)

freaking belt bug

[shut rover]

I guess we have to wait for bug patch

[pulsar steeple]

Bluetooth water

[subtle finch]

i just think, there's no way the cn community haven't reported it yet

[dark furnace]

let me check

[subtle finch]

save 1k xircon before you sleep, by the time you wake up, it's gone. it's that bad

[pulsar steeple]

lmao, i have these

[subtle finch]

this is still my best work, planning to remake it to quad forge later as the heart of my aic

[tawny bear]

now whyd ya shred the jincao? >.>

[pulsar steeple]

it's the same process if i refine it anyway

you have to shred it after

[lusty violet]

is this reflected in the actual number of sc bats in the depot?
after around 10h i only had 146 less sc bats than expected (~0.25/min loss)

[tawny bear]

o fr? didn't know that, but it makes sense :v

[pulsar steeple]

Different formula, same results

[subtle finch]

that's around the number yeah, we just asked chatgpt to calculate the approx lost earlier. 130items an hour which is xiranite. so 13bat/hr=0.21/min close enough to 0.25

[small creek]

can anyone tell me if this is a proper priority splitting setup for yazhenA and cuprium comp?

i want the cuprium to self clog in the gearing unit when the xiranite input is lower, spitting it back to yazhenA

but also split the cuprium 60/60 when making 6/min comp (higher xiranite input)

sry heres a better picture, including the packaging unit

[tame herald]

Wait how do you clean the water ?

[small creek]

conduit

[subtle finch]

what's your target comp/min?

[tame herald]

Yeah ok. Cus I saw no water-cleaner machine

[small creek]

6, 3, 1.5, and 0

i want it to be like

when i adjust the xiranite, the cuprium automatically adjusts

thus priority split

[tawny bear]

i feel like the water input is uneven here >.>

[small creek]

not a problem, everything has sufficient water

[tame herald]

I mean it does give off that illusion but it works

[small creek]

i just didnt give the full bp

the full bp is functional and actually has 0.5/s water excess

[normal prawn]

so, 1 SC bat is better than 2 LC bat, since 1 LC bat provides only 72k power

[tame herald]

How does a bat provide 72k 😭

[small creek]

hi babe

[sick basin]

Wow
A better battery is better than the worse one

[tawny bear]

home runs

[sick basin]

Who couldve imagined

[small creek]

happy eidl fitr or sum shi

[sick basin]

What?

[tawny bear]

-# i'm hilarious

[sick basin]

Babe are u high again

[carmine igloo]

Help

[sick basin]

Also, this is cheating
I made a controled splitter for comps as is :realmad:
Or is this some combiming

[small creek]

this is for the cuprium

you did one for the xiranite

im doing for cuprium

[normal prawn]

youve got wrong output, the yanzhen solution should be at bottom, since your output pipe is water, it wont be process at filling station

[sick basin]

I did for both?

[tawny bear]

see there's ur problem, ur outputting water instead of yahzen powder

[small creek]

also i already have my own for xiranite lol

[sick basin]

Love

[small creek]

what

[pulsar steeple]

Wait, let me test it out

[small creek]

you only showed me xiranite wtf

[sick basin]

No u just didnt look properly

Dumdum

[small creek]

u sure that works the same?

it looks a lot diff

[pulsar steeple]

well take a look at it

[small creek]

can u link me in the thing

[sick basin]

Well, mainly neither water nor powder should be present on the right side

[carmine igloo]

?

[tawny bear]

i see the vision, but i feel like it's bound to underflow >.>

which is probably the point

[wise stratus]

i think i made too much power

[quasi locust]

man i am conncting these two cuprium (60/min sewage) directly to 60/min eff crucible and they clog again after 2h30 offline time

[pulsar steeple]

Honestly, works okay

[quasi locust]

i have trust issues with both crucible and pipes now

[small creek]

the cuprium automatically adjusted depending on xiranite input?

[pulsar steeple]

yeah

[carmine igloo]

I think it's working

[small creek]

what xiranite inputs did u test

[pulsar steeple]

full 1 lane

[small creek]

err, just that?

can u do 30/15/7.5/0

[pulsar steeple]

.

[small creek]

yea the input is static

i need it to change

[quasi locust]

so not only crucible tax 3 output every 500, they also become not efficient

[sly field]

does Originirum Science Park have water source for the farm auto watering?

[quasi locust]

is this related to the offline belt speed reduction, like offline reduced pipe flow?

[pulsar steeple]

No i believe

[quasi locust]

ah that makes sense

thanks

[dark furnace]

full buffer works

you only need 2 more crucibles

[sly field]

...I guess the only way I have to make looooong water line from the core AIC

[pulsar steeple]

3 SC per minute just hurts

[dark furnace]

I care about the graph more than energy usage

you get way more than enough to buy stock bills anyway

[quasi locust]

9k power?

[dark furnace]

it's always 120 for xiranite, but I had one belt xiranite production and it gets to 119 when I offline

[dark furnace]

3/m meaning you put 2 thermal banks with SC because 40s per one

you use 3 per 120s divided by 2

[carmine igloo]

Its clogged

[dark furnace]

wait

[quasi locust]

oh yeah i wasn't mathing

[dark furnace]

anyway, 2 thermal banks with SC results in 3/m

[jovial breach]

1 thermal eats 1.5/min

[dark furnace]

too lazy to type again

[jovial breach]

Change your output lol, you're taking water out instead of the medicine

[pulsar sail]

I use small delayer setup to gain a bit of battery, easy to setup, 1 bank always runnig, the 2nd one like that, you average a 2 battery/min if you set the last "+ time" belt, works fine up to 4.15Kpw

[carmine igloo]

Whats does it looks like?

[dark furnace]

I lost xiranite over time, but I took the one-belt bug into account. I just got back home and changed my xiranite production into multi-belts (every machines are connected with belts more than they need)

[jovial breach]

Delete the filling unit and place it down again

[dark furnace]

now let's see if I lost xiranite/ at lower rate after 2h

I freaking changed everything into multi belts

[carmine igloo]

Done now what?

[jovial breach]

💀

filling unit

not reactor

this

[pulsar sail]

you output nothing from the reactor, clci the "+" on the bottom right and chose the yahzen solution

[carmine igloo]

?

[pulsar steeple]

Honestly, the 30 are not sustainable, so is the 15, 7.5 just straight up not worth it

[carmine igloo]

??

[small creek]

30 is sustainable if you have stocked batteries

[pulsar steeple]

probably not until then

[small creek]

30 is just 3/min comp

15 is 1.5, perfectly sustainable

still outruns outpost

[pulsar steeple]

AIC Gameplay in screenshot

[jovial breach]

[jovial breach]

yes it's working

[stoic coyote]

Crazy how people playthrough without reading a single word

[pulsar sail]

I have to say I didn't read the hydrominer description and put power tower for them... took me a few day to realize 😄

[small creek]

okay now idk wtf is happening

[carmine igloo]

This one is slow

[pulsar steeple]

even then i still wouldn't be able to fully stock up SC because it only gave me like 45k (with battery usage) every 3 day

[small creek]

the cuprium seems to have adjusted but not in the way i expected

[small creek]

my guy youre missing the point, im not focusing on sustainability

whether the user wants to do something sustainable or not is up to them

i am testing configurability

[carmine igloo]

Is this good?

[pulsar sail]

@small creek maybe you could try to limit the component production to 2/min flat

[small creek]

like hardcode it?

[pulsar steeple]

how does one even achieve 2 minute flat

[small creek]

split into 3, converge 2

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

[quasi locust]

suffering from success

good work tho

[final escarp]

Yes as long as when u split one of the output has less than half rate of the original flow you can basically create overflow diversion

[wispy grove]

Am i seeing things?

My crucible is clean

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[small creek]

okay i kinda got it now

this is somehow fucking 2.7 comp/min

HOW DID I MAKE THIS SHIT

why is it not flat 3 🥹

[final escarp]

If ur operating at max rate then 1 treatment is fine otherwise u might need another one

[wispy grove]

my dudez, my forbidden sewage filter is working so effectively

[small creek]

does anyone know how to avoid item control port slow down

i need them for smth but i can visibly see gaps in the belt

[wispy grove]

whut

[small creek]

from what i heard, item control ports slow down like 4%

[small creek]

which is kind of accurate based on this

theoretically i should have 3/min comp, but this is just around 2.7

[wispy grove]

dont worry mine isnt over engineered, no need multiple splitter system. you only need 1 converger and 1 splitter

[wispy grove]

true thats why i dont use it, even bridge delays it

[small creek]

3*0.96 = 2.88

[wispy grove]

have you seen it?

[small creek]

which is pretty close to 2.7

oh bridge huh

ill try and remove bridge

[wispy grove]

every control, bridge, im not sure about splitter and converger

[small creek]

idt splitter and converger slow

thats why dige beltless option uses them

[wispy grove]

to even out the slow

i tested it too in my xiranite belts

one has bridge(doesnt use) one doesnt ahve

thats why its called forbidden

[subtle finch]

somehow i can keep just cramming more farm into this

[small creek]

sometimes we gotta make cursed things for efficiency

[quasi locust]

if belts are slow, is it better to replace the belts connecting across facilities with splitters/convergers?

[wispy grove]

nah nah just use control item

fill the whole belt

[small creek]

ideally but like

[quasi locust]

so slower

[wispy grove]

i wonder if it works tho

[small creek]

thats a LOT of facilitiy

[quasi locust]

facility limit...

[small creek]

fuck u item control port 😭

why do u have to ruin my dreams

[wispy grove]

looks nice

[small creek]

does NOT look nice bro

literally item control port slowdown

[wispy grove]

0.5 sec delay

HHAHA3

[small creek]

if there was no slow, there shouldnt be gap

[quasi locust]

wait the item control port slowdown is while online as well?

[small creek]

i think so

here ill remove it right now

[wispy grove]

[quasi locust]

it's unusable

[small creek]

bro the control port is already gone

why

the one below is turned off dont mind it

[quasi locust]

well i guess the only use case is for limited quantity production

where rate matters less

[wispy grove]

i rate this nein out of 10

whut?

[small creek]

removed splitter, now its full

bro

pls

i have an idea, please work

i need this

[pulsar cypress]

[shut rover]

2 rate a second isn't cutting it for these belts and port

[small creek]

nope my idea didnt work

[scenic swift]

belts are only 0.5 a sec though

[shut rover]

Oh right

Im piped minded after the cuprium disaster

[small creek]

pipe minded? bro is a bonekrusher

[hot haven]

is there a way to prevent xircon production inconsistency while logging off?

[shut rover]

https://tenor.com/view/forgot-about-that-willem-dafoe-donald-kimball-american-psycho-my-bad-gif-18161409

[small creek]

yeah item control port does slow down online

[scenic swift]

is it actually proven that belts have slowdowns? Im pretty sure the inconsistency is just because of resources getting deleted and not the speed

[small creek]

with splitter, no item control port

[hot haven]

[quasi locust]

i am going to use a priority flow (120/min to 60/min sewage) for one xircon crucible, and backfeed the other one

[unique plover]

there am i at maximum efficiency now?

[hot haven]

i think i have tried it once but ended up failed

[elder thistle]

man why convergers gotta lie to me like that

left:

• Smart, Cute, Kind baby
• doesn't work, refineries clog immediately despite having capacity

right:

• Rebel, Cynical, Evil baby
• works perfectly and I don't know how, I'm scared

[small creek]

i think i have an idea why item control port slows down now

[unique plover]

igtm?

[small creek]

every time a resource passes through, its a bunch of logic at work

[unique plover]

is the profit worth it?

[small creek]

is the resource passing through the selected resource?
has the resource passed enough times through this item control port? (for quantity)

and the small amt of time that it takes to go through those logic gates creates delays in belt speed

[scenic swift]

IMO with a belt it's losing 1 resource every 150 ticks while offline, and with a splitter it lost 1 every 450 tick. The resources are deleted its not a problem with speed. I have not tested with splitter yet this is my theoretical guess.

[small creek]

tldr the more item control ports you have, the more logic gates the game has to go through
and the slower the belt speed

i guess my priority splitting cuprium is correct, just that the xiranite input is bugged

[scenic swift]

if you only move from point A and B there is no loss, the loss occurs only when there is production

[small creek]

i disagree that any resources are deleted

[subtle finch]

what's a tick

[small creek]

the resource just stays there for longer

when the game finishes deciding what to do with it, then it spits it back out into the belt or whatnot

[wispy grove]

what in the world bro

[scenic swift]

No, they are gone many tests have already proven that.

[small creek]

looks like priority flow

[real crescent]

a tick is the game updating what is happening

[small creek]

pretty neat thing

[wispy grove]

no its not

[small creek]

really? theres a bunch of splitter

[subtle finch]

i mean how many in a sec is that. do we have evidence of that

[wispy grove]

yeah but the destribution aint equal

[nova lodge]

viseroy zhuang demands tax in the form of sewage.

[small creek]

how is it not equal

even if say theres initially 2.0 in that pipe, each crucible will only get 0.5 maximum

[wispy grove]

i need to write on the picture its hard to explain

[elder thistle]

it's supposed to split the sewage equally when saturated, since when the right is clogged it'll flow more to the left

[scenic swift]

Just set it up so that you have 300 in a protocal stash in storage mode let them be processed and collected by another protocal stash in storage mode. You control how many went in so you can see 150 resources get consumed and 149 come out.

[small creek]

so 1 got destroyed?

damn, so it is real

[wispy grove]

when saturated hmm

[subtle finch]

@small creek i managed to get 3comp/min working. I backfeed, and crucible wastes self regulate

[small creek]

dude this fucking sucks

[scenic swift]

those stashes were not connected to anywhere else, the resources can only end up in 1 place the missing one is just gone

[upper shell]

for 1.1 wuling final yield (without fancy engineering, im dumb), whats the main yield/usage to hit? isit below:
xiranite 120/120
yazhen syringe A 6/0
SC wuling battery 12/3

[elder thistle]

anyway that design is scrapped because of the refinery convergers not converging as expected

which is how I ended up with this new abomination

[jaunty tinsel]

my aic keeps overloaded with cuprium, which i dont need because i already have full cuprium parts. And this leads to my factory stop working because it needs the sc wuling battery. How do i fix this?

[elder thistle]

like man what is even happening here

I can't tell you

I went off vibes

[small creek]

get rid of the cuprium parts..

[dark furnace]

only 88 cuprium component

[subtle finch]

it's difficult to split my xiranite lower than full a lane on my crucible side cause i didnt left enough space for splitters

[subtle finch]

i just started

[jaunty tinsel]

So i have to destroy it everytime it overloads? Im kind of finding a solution like the water treatment unit but for items

[quasi locust]

make parts or bottles

[dark furnace]

ngl I recommend focus on using half the xiranite for component first, after a few days switch back to full 12/m SC

[wispy grove]

lets say the sewage pipe has 4 drops from each refineries, the distribution will be 0.75, 0.5, 1, 2. (from left to right)

[elder thistle]

ideally you sell them to Tangtang

[subtle finch]

use it, make syringe A. or cuprium comp

[jaunty tinsel]

My cuprium parts are overloaded also

[quasi locust]

make cuprium comps

[wispy grove]

it is self clogging

[quasi locust]

get 58000 cuprium comps and it can last like several patches

[small creek]

use the parts for syringe, compoonents, whatever

lots of way to use it

[jaunty tinsel]

Aight thx

[elder thistle]

yeah if it just started, the distribution will be uneven, but after a while right side will cap and won't accept any more sewage, so it goes into the next left crucible, then the next, then the next

[tawny bear]

manifolds, my greatest enemy

[scenic swift]

so forge of the sky isnt losing any was this carbon premade or made during the test? If we only lose carbon when its being made it would explain why you didn't lose any xiranite

[wispy grove]

[scenic swift]

hmm that could be good then cause if forge of the sky loses we really cant fix it.. if its just carbon being lost on creation we can fix it

[elder thistle]

so like at startup the split will be 2 to the left, 2 to the right (assuming 4/2s)
but since there's only 1 on the right it will cap and stop accepting more, leaving 2+1 to flow to the left
next splits 1.5:1.5, same story once it caps the 0.5 continues on to the left for a total of 2
then 1:1, straightforward
the last one splits 0.5:0.5 so that one needs sewage supplement from the Xircon crucibles

[wispy grove]

then your crucibles are fine then, let it build up more

[elder thistle]

it's the refinery convergers that kicked my ass

[subtle finch]

it will all equalize when it's all full

[wispy grove]

yeah yeah i get that

dang

[elder thistle]

despite this supposedly adding up to 4 which should be fine in theory, it just...doesn't, the bottom ones get clogged

[wispy grove]

with sewage?

[small creek]

why flipped

[elder thistle]

yes

[small creek]

head hurt

[scenic swift]

yeah I dont know if its just specific machines or even specific recipes.. maybe anything with pipes

[dark furnace]

pipes don't like series connections

[elder thistle]

because I can't rotate blueprints in-game

[scenic swift]

but im still pretty sure we lose some in valley 4 im just not sure were its happening at so its not just pipes either

[wispy grove]

this one is clogged?

[subtle finch]

making cuprium component really gives me more room for ores, idk what to use it for

[small creek]

anyway guys, should i

1. remove the red part (no more slow down, but lose option to make 0.75/min of each comp)
2. or keep it (3/min comp slows down to 2.7, but keep option to make 0.75/min of each comp)

[elder thistle]

seems like it, it's like it's trying to give both inputs equal weight, so like at the end it's doing 1 or 3, rather than properly adding them up together

with belts I understand but the pipe should be able to fit so idk why

[elder thistle]

this and the next one too

the bottommost 2

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

its bottom so i guess

its gravity

[elder thistle]

my theory is at the 3rd refinery converger, it's deciding between the refinery's own 1 output and the combined 2 output from the previous 2
then at the 4th, the 1 vs 3
and that creates the bottelneck, despite having space in theory

[elder thistle]

true!

[wispy grove]

remember it takes 2 secs to get through each converger

it means your 1st refinery takes 6+3= 9 secs before reaching the main pipe

[elder thistle]

well it's better than my last version of a priority splitter at least

[analog elbow]

don't you have like max depot xiranite comp

[small creek]

yea but like

im making design so anyone who uses it can configure

[wispy grove]

[elder thistle]

it's dumb as hell but to be fair it does work with a very small error margin

[latent gull]

Guys

I think im missing 30 copium production

[wispy grove]

just use my forbidden technique

[wispy grove]

wdym

[hushed blaze]

Hmm should i craft something using xiranite-
My xiranite is full

[latent gull]

I only have 90/min

[wispy grove]

inyour theoretical?

[latent gull]

Yup

30 > the motherboard

60 > the bottle

[analog elbow]

Hmm i think it needs some Protocol Stashes

[subtle finch]

why exactly did you change it again? the 2 pic are almost identical in layout

[latent gull]

But thats only for yazhen

[wispy grove]

your theoretical says 90??

[analog elbow]

[latent gull]

Yup

[wispy grove]

your yield?

[latent gull]

90

[wispy grove]

yeah ur missing ore beds

[latent gull]

Yup

[elder thistle]

saves 1 row, 30x26 down from 30x27

[latent gull]

How much normally

[wispy grove]

at this point im not sure if ur asking or just stating cause ur aware of the source of the problem

[wispy grove]

120

[elder thistle]

pushed the Xircon crucibles up by 1, and that silly thing was in the way (that isn't even needed with better planning)

[subtle finch]

can you try this for me?
only send those 2 refinery to treatment, cut out the rest

[wooden brook]

should i start reorganising the factory or should i let it grow for now

[upper shell]

do i need 1 pump or 2 pump for these 4 refining?

[atomic fiber]

2

[wispy grove]

6hrs left till failure

[elder thistle]

Cut out the rest? Like nothing else into treatment or

[warped delta]

I've decided to be at peace with the current offline jank until they fix it. Tried doing adjustments twice now and it's no better and possibly worse than just leaving it alone.

[subtle finch]

just those 2, the other 2 refinement unit and 2 crucible will feed the mid stuff

[warped delta]

Watch it be something silly like offline calcs were constrained to 1 sigfig 😏

[wispy grove]

anyone wanna try my blueprint? i want someone to test my own priority flow

[warped delta]

Although I wouldn't mind switching one xircon line to the "pyramid design" and see how that works out

[small creek]

i am immune to your ragebait today 🧘‍♂️

[elder thistle]

Hmm I see what you're getting at but it won't reach critical mass (2 from Xircon) if cold started

[wispy grove]

Did you already build your factory?

[analog elbow]

i have added Protocol Stashes to the entirety of my empty spaces

[subtle finch]

trust

[elder thistle]

Yes it's running now after hours of head hurting

[elder thistle]

Aite I'll give it a go in a bit

[wispy grove]

Oh im about to suggest using my bp and test it yourself

[smoky eagle]

battery jumpscare

[elder thistle]

You can share it anyways and I'll have a look

[mighty tusk]

where do u put pumps on sky king flats

and why did this work

[wispy grove]

just a moment but i have a whole area visual here

but thats the old version

[subtle finch]

I practically wrote an essay on proper backfeeding, but no one wanna read it

[wispy grove]

its still the same but i put all moulding and fitting on yazhe

[wispy grove]

where did u put it?

[tawny bear]

giv me

[elder thistle]

Oh you divided it in 2, I suppose that would get rid of the overclogging problem lmao

[wispy grove]

yeah cause its 2 batteries

[wispy grove]

thats from yesterday

my old sewage filter

[subtle finch]

that's it . no one wanna contend with it

[wispy grove]

vs new sewage filter

[wispy grove]

cant, only the devs can read that if they wanna read it

[elder thistle]

Mine I just put all the wet stuff in 1 area bc I wanted to maximize the pipe capacity kekw

[wispy grove]

i tried the looping sewage on crucible 4 cause its the most sensible way of doing it, but when offline, it accumulates liquid xiranite because of the lack of sewage that the xircon gives. So instead, why not split that reduced sewage to both crucibles, that way the sewage build up will cancel the lack of xircon sewage.

and this pipe comes into play

xircon sewage from above, 2 refinery sewage from below

[subtle finch]

it is working as intended then. idk why many can't get that

having excess sewage doesn't make you produce more while offline

[wispy grove]

i converge xircon and refinery sewage, and then split it into 3, that way, if i dont get sewage from xircon, the impact will split evenly into 3

and the build up is also evenly distributed into 3

rather than its stuck within the crucibles and no where to go

[latent gull]

Where is the last one

[wispy grove]

yeah, refinery sewage build up combined by less xircon sewage balances out

[wispy grove]

i think its on the uhhh bottom part of qinbo stockade

i think you missed that

you should be using 8 hydro rigs in total

[latent gull]

I already used 8

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

then ur rigs arent on

show us ur hydro rigs on the map

[marble yarrow]

still lost 30 xircon in 2 hours even by overstuffing it

[analog elbow]

Maybe he only use 1 pump?

For those ores

[latent gull]

Here

[wispy grove]

hmm

have u reached region lvl 8?

[analog elbow]

Majii

[wispy grove]

dont sweat it bro, force feeding it will only get more taxes

[latent gull]

Wait where do i check

[wispy grove]

go to regional development

near the map icon

[latent gull]

Mine is 7

[wispy grove]

try reaching 8

[marble yarrow]

yeah just 1 final try

[wispy grove]

bro stop u sacrificed enough xiranites

[latent gull]

I need2070 exp

[leaden drift]

I found out what happened

It was a weird splitter issue

[wispy grove]

use avywenna as the operator on the stock bill exchange

before buying stockbills

[fervent lodge]

what was it
now i'm even more interested

[leaden drift]

A daisy chaining issue

[latent gull]

Im using tangtang

Is she better

[fervent spoke]

did you double check with control-ports at liquid in and xircon out ?

[wispy grove]

BRO

im not saying play avywenna

[leaden drift]

I went one back to back to back @fervent lodge

Instead of splitting somewhere in the middle

[wispy grove]

put avywenna on the stockbills exchange

https://tenor.com/view/ugly-plankton-meme-ugly-plankton-ugly-face-plankton-meme-plankton-gif-15836444981074643801

[latent gull]

Then what?

[marble yarrow]

i dont have to. i created an extra reactor to give additional xircon effluent to the 2 xircon reactors. so its overstuffed

[wispy grove]

it gives more exp when buying stockbills

[latent gull]

Rly?

[wispy grove]

please read bro

[leaden drift]

EN EU players reading?

[latent gull]

Tabgtang also got this that why im confused

And 2 more buffs

[wispy grove]

oh

i have no tangtang

https://tenor.com/view/ahhh-gif-9549451645697661034

okay use tang tang

[marble yarrow]

yeah tangtang is 3 outpost skill match

[fervent lodge]

that shouldn't do any issues as long as downstream clogs no?

[leaden drift]

That line doesnt clog

[cinder echo]

How many mining rig can i supply with one outlet?

[wispy grove]

3

[fervent lodge]

oh, yeah. then it's joever

[leaden drift]

But if i split equally it works

[fervent lodge]

wait, as in, it tries to consume more than overall pipe inflow?

[leaden drift]

Yeah

[fervent lodge]

or by doesn't clog you mean it runs 1:1

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1455079438243991572/1484552160791367680/image.png?ex=69bea470&is=69bd52f0&hm=22ddcf22877846685e81117f513642d1757e94537b3e609d71ddcf34535155a2&

like, this is the test case i have and it works

[elder thistle]

Do you want me to test it cold start (stash and place) or just hot swap

[subtle finch]

up to you. personally, id drain all sewage first and start fresh

[elder thistle]

Aite imma try cold start

[leaden drift]

With two pumps i was going planter forge forge crucible

The crucible would sometimes not get water

Effectively

[fervent lodge]

curious

[leaden drift]

Or a much slower rate

[fervent lodge]

it's 100% tickrate issues

because 2 pumps would send 2 items on the same tick, but splitters have an internal capacity of 1 only

so their splitter is eating water i think

[leaden drift]

But if i split between anywhere between the facilities it works fine

[fervent spoke]

your picture only shows one connection active, tho. here im wondering my self how it happens. i know that items can enter a limbo state of in transition to the belt when clogged, but that should not apply because your reactor expelled all products

[leaden drift]

It might be because sometimes sewage would back flow into the crucible

And clog up a xirnaite producing crucible

Granted I am doing some jank piping

[fervent lodge]

when you have time, def recreate stuff in the planner

i need fodder for my solver tests

[leaden drift]

I worked around one side

The other works fine

[marble yarrow]

that final reactor is 100% full of both xircon effluent and ferrium powder. does the input of it clogging affects its production rate?

it has input of more that 30/min 60/min of xircon effluent and more that 30/min of powder

[leaden drift]

Is there a way to determine which stash gets unloaded first

Or protocol stash

[fervent spoke]

input material clogs should not affect production rate, only if there is no way for an item to leave the machine before the next tick occurs, it might skip a tick cycle and thus lower its production rate.

is my assumption for now

[subtle finch]

we still trying to counter offline item loss?

[elder thistle]

oh cool it does work

it does take like 5 mins to hit max production from a cold start though

but good to know to avoid black magic pipery

[marble yarrow]

i also have 2 belts each reactor to deliver xircon to 2 depot loaders so i should be clearing it so fast

[ornate sorrel]

can protostash outside of the AIC area send stuff back to AIC?

[marble yarrow]

so every 1 xircon reactor have:

(60+15)/min of xircon effluent in pipe input
60/min of ferrium powder in the 2 input belt
2 output belt leading to 2 depot loaders

[ornate sorrel]

for my shitpost project

[marble yarrow]

the output ports deactivate

[quasi locust]

sure but is it connected to the belt?

[bright zodiac]

it can

without belt

just need power

[ornate sorrel]

yeah but does a belt that goes out of the AIC area still work

[bright zodiac]

no

[quasi locust]

this

[marble yarrow]

the belt doesnt have a destination anyway

[subtle finch]

it's the series splitters. mine takes about ~15sec because i evenly distribute

[fervent spoke]

2 outputs of sewage too? then the reactor should always look like 50/50 -> 0/0 after a short while.

[bright zodiac]

your question was "can protocol stash outside of AIC send stuff back to aic"

it can, without belt

[quasi locust]

the belt will jam since the protocol stash doesn't have an input port (or output) outside of aic

[marble yarrow]

no need. pipe can output worth 60/min anytime, and it leads to a fluid tank

[ornate sorrel]

yeah thats the point

[ornate sorrel]

oh dammit

so the whole 3x3 needs to be inside the base

[quasi locust]

yep

[bright zodiac]

but if powered, and IF you give it some item, that item will be gone

[elder thistle]

yeah the Xircon crucible especially passes through fully to the 2nd so it's idle until the 2nd caps, on top of all the other series splitters

the thing that's really tripping me up is why (left) doesn't work as expected when (right) works just fine, aren't they the same technically

it's just so odd idk

anyway whatever, if it works it works, I've spent enough hours on this thing I need to actually play the rest of the game

[wispy grove]

it takes 3 days of nonstop trial and error to reach a conclusion: "im a messy organizer"

[quasi locust]

i have improved my jamming sensor

[ornate sorrel]

I HAVE AN UNUSED 2ND BASE AND IM GOING TO USE 100% OF IT

[quasi locust]

bro is getting every drop of money spent from hypergryph's server

[ornate sorrel]

should've made some proper events

not a fukass daily login dish event ONE WEEK after the version came out

[marble yarrow]

sorry bro, too far

[subtle finch]

not enough, you can put pipes on top of belts

[ornate sorrel]

Story of Undertale ass tanks

[dark furnace]

drink all of them to summon Shenron

[ornate sorrel]

wouldn't control ports require the space below it to not have any conveyor belts?

[fervent stratus]

DEV WHAT DO YOU MEAN CONDUIT FLOW RATE.... IS 1 PER SEC

And everything else ran at 2 per sec =_=

[subtle finch]

im tempted to make a pixel art of parallel lines of pipes with different liquid inside

[marble yarrow]

what if

[dark furnace]

what are 2 per sec

[fervent stratus]

No wonder my sewage kept getting clogged lol

[fervent stratus]

Pipes

[latent gull]

Whats the pount of separating unit

Point

[fervent stratus]

Hmmm

[dark furnace]

yea I was confused by you saying conduit being 1/s

[fervent stratus]

Ohh it is 2 but my conduit were clogged lol

[marble yarrow]

send liquid region to region via filling>depot>separating

[dark furnace]

sewage has other reason to clog

[wispy grove]

Oh right i forgot that im about to trimm that today

[dark furnace]

@fervent stratus the most common one being connecting all 4 cuprium production to xircon eff crucibles

[wispy grove]

Yeah less conduits to use on

And less treatment plants

[ornate sorrel]

do u think its in character

for Tangtang to build this conveyor belt maze

[deft forum]

Ts so peak

PWM never this good

[subtle finch]

you're a patch late to the party

[deft forum]

Wdym

[wispy grove]

I got frustrated a bit

I have to detour

[storm garnet]

oops

the ones priced 70 are almost there too

[wispy grove]

Finally finished

i hate these deliveries

[jovial breach]

I visit valley outposts once a week

[storm garnet]

those fill in less than 5 days if i don't use them

i guess i'll focus on using all the v4 gifts just so i know i don't need any tickets there anymore

lol, i used a few and it got instantly back to 80k cause of the protocol stashes

[serene lodge]

Do u guys use the facility as a belt

[quasi locust]

yeah, it's a nice routing strat

[serene lodge]

Do i need more energy soon?

How much do u guys use

[real crescent]

3.9k for everything including nearly 100 ziplines and a farm

[serene lodge]

Guys why

Nothing came inside the bank

[quasi locust]

try removing the converger right in front of your packaging unit

[serene lodge]

Its a bug?

[quasi locust]

i guess so? somehow facility will prioritize converger

did it work?

[keen river]

doesnt the packaing unit produce enough batteries for 4 banks if working at 100%? so you send three away and one to bank

so it should work but it wont ever fill

[serene lodge]

Yup

Convergee splitter bug?

[keen river]

spam?

[quasi locust]

the problem is instead of evenly round robin across all 4 outputs there, everything goes into just the converger

[serene lodge]

Beta tester got hacked?

[keen river]

but his thermal bank works?

so at least some part goes to it

i mean, there is some weirdness with those converges so yeah, that setup is kinda counterpoductive

[quasi locust]

this is how it works in practice

the other 3 belts gets nothing

[keen river]

ye, but

[keen river]

if its the same bank, then its working

just there is no stockpile inside, as expected

[leaden drift]

A bug that's a feature

[leaden drift]

If there isnt more output then belt speed then converger gets prio

So it will never go to battery

[keen river]

but his power bank is making power, so something went to it (unless he put one battery manually)

i think that priority thing is somewhat random

[serene lodge]

How

It doesnt add anything

[vague fern]

is yazhen c or lc wuling battery better for early stock bill?

[leaden drift]

You can do tbis

Only when ur storage is full of xirnaite does it make comps

[rugged nimbus]

I need help building a realllly basic factory so I can get some gold gear. I need to lvl my RDL but I need to get through the main story but I suffer from something called MASSIVE skill issue

[keen river]

i remember reading that if you put convenger in front of depot unloaded, it will prioriize the belt instead of unloading, so its somewhat useful

but whenver this actually works or not, no clue

[tawny bear]

yahzen c < lc wuling < yahzen a < sc wuling

[haughty wharf]

So jiggly but surprisingly my xiranite is stable

[serene lodge]

Do u keep xyranite?

[leaden drift]

I have 58k in the bank at all times

I produce 10 batteries instead of 12 to induce xirnaite overflow

[keen river]

what for 😐

[leaden drift]

To auto make comps

[steel compass]

is this a good layout? or could it be optimized?

[leaden drift]

What are u making

[keen river]

you can just canibalize the unloader and dont bother worring about it

[steel compass]

i don't know

[haughty wharf]

???

[leaden drift]

Yeah but now I have overflow protection so I dont have to manually change things when offline

[subtle finch]

i have this that makes everything except xiranite and battery

[steel compass]

i added a zipline tower to the factory hoping it would help but i can't really figure out what it does

[vague fern]

question. if i only have stockade and wuling aic with no expand. would yazhen c give better yield than lc wuling?

[leaden drift]

No

[vague fern]

oke

[haughty wharf]

Why did you place down the factory?

[keen river]

batteries and syringes are unrelated resource wise

you can make both

[steel compass]

the game told me to

[leaden drift]

Essentially my factory has built in coded "if" statements.

[vague fern]

xiranite prod alr eat up my stockade base so..

[serene lodge]

How is my usage 120

I dont tell me

[haughty wharf]

Well this factory is really bad, use a different one

[serene lodge]

This count as 3 ……

3x30

90

This is unwise….

[steel compass]

i added 3 ln towers to the right, i think this is going to fix the factory

[serene lodge]

Guys

[subtle finch]

it's missing this crucial part

[serene lodge]

Normally 1 input is count as 30 theoretically right?

[leaden drift]

Ye

[steel compass]

why are there 17 cd readers?

[serene lodge]

And that count as 3 inputs?

[haughty wharf]

Those are floppy disc readers

Smh youngins now adays

[leaden drift]

Depends on the facility requirements

[leaden drift]

For instance if a facility requires 10 of something per 10 seconds it needs two belts

[serene lodge]

But if that is the case

My yield should be 30 more too

Since its on the out put

[leaden drift]

No yield would be 6

[serene lodge]

Where did my xiranite usage is from

[serene lodge]

6?

[leaden drift]

If a 10 second creation time

[serene lodge]

Why 10 second

It just sent out

[leaden drift]

Thats one of the standard timers for things is 10 seconds

[serene lodge]

Right away

Its not the product

Lemme test my theory

[leaden drift]

What are you making

And what does it say it takes to make it

[subtle finch]

this is frustracting, if im gonna use the 15 cuprium/min, i will need additional treatment unit. is 50 power worth more than 1.5/min syringe A

[wispy grove]

oh nice you did 9 /min

[subtle finch]

it's the easiest ratio to split. i also don't want to wait 10 years for components to cap

[haughty wharf]

What are you using the componants for The avengers?

[quasi locust]

did i get this right?

[leaden drift]

Yes and no

[haughty wharf]

Why does it look like this?

[quasi locust]

can i fix this?

[leaden drift]

From what I know i just test it in a real line

It tries to find the shortest line to a stash essentially

But if u put a converter it changes something and either forces it to the other line or into its own line

In this image its doing both

One of them is always going through the converger

But the other is going into a loader

The one on the left has a shorter line between it and the stash so that gets prio

[serene lodge]

Its still 60

[leaden drift]

The one on the right goes straight to a loader so that path is more preffered

[serene lodge]

Why is my xiranite 120

[leaden drift]

Yeah and im stating based on not knowing what ur making and gave an example of a 10 second producing item

Xirnaite is at 120 if you have 4 forges

[serene lodge]

My usage

[leaden drift]

Making one Sc battery takes two lines of xirnaite

Aka 60 per battery

To be at full production

What are you making at this time

[quasi locust]

thanks, i ll tinker more with it

[leaden drift]

Xiranite comps? Lc battery? SC battery, copium comps?

[serene lodge]

And a gear

Just the large battery

[leaden drift]

So LC battery and xirnate comp?

[serene lodge]

This is all my xiranite output

[leaden drift]

So you using under 80 xiranite currently?

[serene lodge]

I use 80

Why is my usage so high

It should be 90 theor

[leaden drift]

Ur usage is lower than ur theory

Because of lack of secondary material

On your comp factory

[serene lodge]

Oh gearing use 2 input

[serene lodge]

Yup my copium is only 90 yield

[leaden drift]

What's ur development level?

Regional development level

Copium should be 120

Maybe not maxed yet?

[serene lodge]

7

[wispy grove]

Im still glazin on my pipes

[narrow garden]

can you fit 3 hc battery lines in one subpac

[wispy grove]

Bro ofc not

You can fit 1 HC in each subpac

[lofty agate]

When i tell you I almost uninstalled in an Infinte Rage. I could only see red.

gonna need to start using more ferrium.

[wispy grove]

Just use every limited item before Saturday

[lofty agate]

Atleast theres a warning email 3 days before. Good QOL

[muted zodiac]

1 million power output.
313 Thermal banks, all filled with 50 SC Wuling Battery.

[fathom sable]

are these output values ok for current patch?

[wispy grove]

You can use originium as batteries

[dark furnace]

@wispy grove @marble yarrow @subtle finch crazy how if we 100% buffer all xicron production line, we are losing 2~3 xiranite per minute

30m and 10m graphs

[subtle finch]

that's i said what would happen

[dark furnace]

but I can finally rest with this absolute flat graph

which will last until I used up all xiranite in my depot

[subtle finch]

the bug is similar to conservation of energy. Item getting deleted and people are still trying to make a perpetual motion to fill the ~11/min gap.
sewage and xiranite annihilate each other, having sewage buffer doesn't also help if xiranite/liquid xiranite gets deleted too.
you cannot fill that gap because you're ultimately bottlenecked by the forge

[wispy grove]

What did u do again?

[dark furnace]

we knew this theory a few days ago

i mean it's obvious

but no one does it so I did it to see if the graph would really stablize

[dark furnace]

if you look at the theoretical data, I am buffering everything in the xircon production line

pretty much just means every crucibles have the inputs capped

[wispy grove]

[uneven aspen]

great to know. I'm about to build my buffered setup rn after wiping my aic. acceptable losts.

need flat line graph