aic-factory

[shell hinge]

25/min

[outer basin]

It's a tool that calculates a splitter/converger setup that allows you to fine tune your batteries so you're not running the second battery all the time.

[fathom glade]

25/hour only??

oh

[shell hinge]

1500 per hr, same as ferrium

[fathom glade]

wait thats insane

i never checked

i thought it would be 750 or less

ok doing that from now on i think

[upper fiber]

need extra input for smooth 12/min, sadly my xircon won't survive for long

[dark furnace]

this actually reminded me to use 4x treatment for overflow ngl. I am only using 3

[outer basin]

1500 Dense Powder per hour is the exact amount you need to run an HC Valley battery.

[dark furnace]

and actually recommended to do that even if you are backfeeding

[shell hinge]

Oh, I just ran the math manually. As for hc valley batteries, it's dense originium powder metatransfer that allows it to beat yazhen c. For whatever reason, that item lets you transfer 2 originium of value for the cost of 1 originium of transfer capacity. That is why it wins assuming efficient power clocking

1 originium is worth less than 1 ferrium, but 2 is worth more

[final escarp]

Will the devs patch this before they patch the crucible 🤔

[subtle finch]

are you backfeeding?

[haughty wharf]

Guys what are the chances this will clog when I come back after a day?

[dark furnace]

it only takes 4 days to cap your SC battery in depot if you have 10/m SC battery unattended

[upper fiber]

for xircon?

[shell hinge]

Eh, I have 4 and leave one turned off. You only need the 4th when running below half capacity, so it probably won't be used for quite some time

[hard yew]

In that case would DIGE with both sc wuling and hc valley batteries using dense originium powder metastorage transfer be an even better option?

[warped delta]

The issue is probably that they quickly napkin math production when you log back in after being offline, but they don't want to majorly hit CPU so they napkin math it with low precision

[fathom glade]

yeah results in 7 extra bills/min

[warped delta]

Because if someone were to log out and quit playing, they probably don't want to be paying to simulate their factory in real-time while they're offline. Makes more sense to "catch up" when they're logging back in

[subtle finch]

yes

[fathom glade]

iirc

[subtle finch]

100%

[haughty wharf]

[shell hinge]

Tbh, idk if the loss of precision for offline catchup calcs are really that relevant

It's a tiny error

[young stag]

help i can’t bankrupt tangtang fast enough

[upper fiber]

if sewage then no, i have issue with less sewage now instead of extra

[shell hinge]

Please say you weren't selling cuprium parts

[young stag]

i were, what’s the problem

[dark furnace]

the setup i am using rn backfeed the xircon sewage so it's 1/s to existing 2/s sewage from cuprium, then I split into 1.5/s and overflow them for 2x 0.5/s crucibles. Technicaly there should only be 1/s overflow so I just placed 3 treatments and even then 2 of them are sleeping 99% of the time.

[shell hinge]

Arguably you should want to be using the better setups anyway

[young stag]

if it caps i get no sewage out

[subtle finch]

what do you mean tiny error. there's a huge lost in xircon output

[wispy grove]

i think thats disconnected

[fathom glade]

i think ill stick with overproduction of syringe for now - i want to make a stockpile of 160k restoratives for the next update

[shell hinge]

Yazhen a is strictly better

Do you use factory healing items?

[warped delta]

The whole calc bugs are odd anyways. With my 2 xircon lines that are functionally identical, one has no sewage creep at all, the other suffers from around 150 a day, which you can compensate with a fluid tank np

[shell hinge]

They all kinda suck

[subtle finch]

that will build up offline, if you don't backfeed it

[haughty wharf]

What you guys don't sell batteries?

[fathom glade]

i do

i think most do?

[upper fiber]

yeah, i send extra sewage from xircon when i need more sewage

[upper fiber]

uh no, today i have less sewage instead, need to pull sewage from xircon

[shell hinge]

How much xircon is this? 30/min would use 2 effluent reactors but only produce 0.5/s sewage

[haughty wharf]

Idk batteries max the stock for me

[warped delta]

priority flow doesnt even work for me

[dark furnace]

can we take a look at the screenshot

[warped delta]

Tried it as shown in the pics and it sent everything past the reactors into the treatment

[shell hinge]

I feel that solving the clear problem of cuprium clogging already leads to the correct solution

[young stag]

@shell hinge

[dark furnace]

yea I simplifed the phrase saying 2x crucible for each 1.5/s sewage, I am running 2 sets so 4 crucibles total consuming the sewage

[warped delta]

I mean, it's ostensibly a very simple concept: You have a manifold and put a treatment at the very end of the manifold to catch the excess

[wispy grove]

what happened is that if you let it connect to the treatment, only 0.25/s goes your your 2nd crucible instead of the usual 0.5/s. more like it takes 2 splitters to reach the 2nd crucible while your 1st crucible only have 1 passing splitter

[shell hinge]

You're doing it wrong then. I hope you didn't copy the demo setup because that isn't a real setup. The actual blueprint I posted doesn't use that exact layout, nor does kyo's base

[shell hinge]

Ah, then your numbers are right. If you don't tap much xiranite for comps, you won't see much treatment plant activation beyond the required 2

I'm pretty sure even they just eat a tiny slowdown

[upper fiber]

full picture

[wispy grove]

im using priority flow, the forbidden design

[wispy grove]

eyo its water treatment

[subtle finch]

excess means treatment can't keep up. try hooking 2 refinement in 1 treatment for example

[wispy grove]

nvm then

[shell hinge]

You do need to loop xircon sewage in after the 3rd reactor or split the loop. What you don't want is 2/s coming out of the loop converger, as that prevents buffer from an increase in production from ever draining

[upper fiber]

i realized i will have less sewage when i have extra liquid xyra

but the issue is where is the extra xircon...

[wispy grove]

mine i combine 3 sewage(1 on xircon and 2 refineries) then split it again into 3, that way, if i get less sewage on xircon, it also lessen the sewage build up on the effluent crucible

[warped delta]

I'm over it. The one works perfectly and the other will only clog after like 3 days unattended. And even then it would only result in it impacting yazhenA production, not batteries.

[wispy grove]

i tested mine i only get 10 sewage build up for 6 hrs

[warped delta]

Need to sleep tho, gnight

[dark furnace]

my overkill priority flow that let me clog up xircon eff crucible

[wispy grove]

good night. more testing tomorrow lmao

[shell hinge]

Does that.... do anything that one splitter doesn't?

[dark furnace]

it's one capacity anyway

it doesn't do anything I just don't like a corner pipe sticking out

[wispy grove]

if that has 1/s input, then that has 0.015 sewage per sec that goes to treatment eh

insane

[slim bear]

hiii will this produce 6/min SC wuling batts?

[iron stratus]

yep it should

[subtle finch]

yes

[slim bear]

ok thanksss

[dark furnace]

I am making sure the xircon eff crucible clogs up with sewage so

[haughty wharf]

So update: my sc battery did clogg but it was because I had no Syringe maker using the cuprium parts

[dark furnace]

besides the input is 1.5/s for 2.5 crucibles

[wispy grove]

i think thats good enough to reduce sewage. have long have u tested it

[dark furnace]

almost 12 hours now

oh actually 14 hours

[wispy grove]

what are the results

[dark furnace]

all xicron eff crucible are capped, all cuprium refiners have 0

[wispy grove]

can you try not to cap it. make it 0 on crucibles before going offline

[hidden temple]

your packaging unit will clog

[dark furnace]

it caps back real quick

[slim bear]

oh what

[dark furnace]

like I don't even need to go offline to see it clogs

[slim bear]

oh u mean the stash thingy?

[dark furnace]

because I need them to clog

[slim bear]

i forgor to add protocol stash

[wispy grove]

hows your treatment tho

[dark furnace]

i setup 3 treatments for 2 sets of the overflow (merging back) 1 treament is capped, the other 2 occationally wake up but like once every 10 seconds

[wispy grove]

so youre using atleast 7 treatments in total to make 12/min battery?

[dark furnace]

no just 3

ugly but this is temp to test numbers only

[wispy grove]

i mean including inert

[haughty wharf]

Nvm

[dark furnace]

the whole setup for the liquid clog test in case you missed yesterday

what I am trying to do here is clog up every liquids

[haughty wharf]

Im so tired of piping the crucibles I forgot I still have to make syringes

[dark furnace]

including water, sewage, liquid xiranite, and xircon eff

then see if that gives more stable xircon output

slso clogged xiranite and ferrium powder

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[dark furnace]

simply put, everything is clogged

except xircon

[wispy grove]

ferrium clogged

HAHHAHA

[dark furnace]

i am feeding 3 belts into xircon crucible

[haughty wharf]

I see, Ive been using Harunas piping setup so I have yet to see any clogs: what it does is basically loop the sewage every other cycle into treatment and crucible.

[dark furnace]

yea that's the most neat setup for now, but it gives jiggling graph, which is what I am trying to stablise

[wispy grove]

i think we should differenciate build up and clogged

[dark furnace]

tbh solving sewage clog for cuprium is pretty simple

[wispy grove]

cause we can have build up but it doesnt clog

[dark furnace]

true

i should say I get everything capped in the setup

[haughty wharf]

True, im testing if my battery output effects it, because Im using math for the usage rate.

[subtle finch]

personally, it doesn't matter if you use more than 6 treatment unit to me. any solution is viable at that point

[haughty wharf]

How Im able to get output like this

[dark furnace]

wdym?

[haughty wharf]

Im using 5 thermal banks btw

[dark furnace]

continuous LC input for all 5?

[haughty wharf]

Yeah I have a way of clogging and delaying it so it still caps my product

Im using only one battery maker

[subtle finch]

the only explanation i can think of is it's feeding directly from packaging unit?

[haughty wharf]

Technically you can only run three thermal banks per a battery maker

[dark furnace]

@wispy grove anyway I think I am scrapping the test and going back to make it looks good

no point working around something the devs need to fix

[haughty wharf]

Kinda

[shrewd sigil]

the days i've spent optimizing and im still not doing it right

[dark furnace]

should it be unstable LC production I can live with it

[subtle finch]

this is what i would do

[haughty wharf]

Its not unstable but it leaves you with always -1 battery when capped

[dark furnace]

yea but only if I want to uncap the sewage in the eff crucible, which I don't wish to in this test

I wanted the sewage to cap

[wispy grove]

i already stopped testing cause my sewage priority is so effective i have nothing to worry about

[dark furnace]

I am testing for a stable graph, that doesn't jiggle every few minutes

[shrewd sigil]

i am seriously thinking of leaving it just like this and see what happens

[wispy grove]

oh that well im not risking 1k xiranite to make a stable graph

[haughty wharf]

My money dont jiggle jiggle, it folds~

[dark furnace]

real

[wispy grove]

thats 200 worth of comps

hell nahh

fu i dunno the exact number

ack

[dark furnace]

technically I wasn't losing xiranite, it's just that the production of xiranite can't catchup with 100% crucible production efficiency with that setup

[paper skiff]

Does theoretical data match current? Not sure if I'm producing enough dense originium powder

[dark furnace]

rn we aren't using 1/s xiranite exactly for 12/m SC

that's why we are piling up xiranite in depot even though we are using 2/s for 12/m SC and 6/m syringe

theoratically

thanks to the crucible bug

my xiranite production isn't maxed because I am only using one belt to connect each machine

[haughty wharf]

Im also pilling up xiranite similarly

Im using this really ugly but it works

Ignore that bottom planter lmao

[wispy grove]

for now, just tell your ocd to shut up whenever you see crooked lines

[dark furnace]

I know what you are doing with that alone unpowered planter

[haughty wharf]

You know it

[dark furnace]

or just tell devs to fix it

imagine the devs never gonna fix it but solved it by showing you flat production despite you still have wonky efficiency in practice

[wispy grove]

devs: "mine looks fine. maybe its YOU problem".

https://tenor.com/view/rage-rage-bait-baited-rage-baited-angry-dog-gif-2047466162835898859

[subtle finch]

pretty sure sewage backfeed and buffered sewage + 4+3 treatment yields the same offline yields. i'd like to be proven wrong though, just means more possible profit

[pulsar willow]

Why are there 12 reactor crucibles?

[haughty wharf]

Devs: what you're seeing here is the bigger picture

[outer basin]

Devs: Talos II has its own laws

[subtle finch]

i didn't even noticed that . i think they wanna buffer all liquids

[dark furnace]

I already said that this is a test to buffer everything possible except xircon

[pulsar willow]

And why is there a second xiranite line going through every liquid xiranite reactor lol

[young stag]

any way i can compact this even more?

[dark furnace]

some of them are bridges

to buffer all xiranite

in all crucibles

[pulsar willow]

Huh.

Why would you need a 5th reactor crucible set then

[opaque cobalt]

idk about compacting, but anything that has liquid only input and output can be put out of your aic zone im pretty sure

[dark furnace]

everything literally, water, sewage, xiranite, liquid xiranite, xircon eff, ferrium powder are all buffered

it's so input a total of 1.25/s liquid eff into the xircon crucible

[pulsar willow]

To achieve what exactly? I am being on a dense side today, sorry.

[wispy grove]

wdym unaware? its a feature

[upper fiber]

'cough' cheapskate server budget

[dark furnace]

yesterday we learned that crucible has a deficiency of around 0.06% for liquid output, meaning for every 500 liquid product, you lose 3. Which cause the overall deficiency of xircon production because you aren't producing 1:1 xircon eff for them. I am trying to overcome by pumping more than enough xircon eff into xircon crucible

and see if the xircon production becomes more stable

and after 12 hours of offline, the production of xircon and SC battery indeed became super stable for all timestamps

[pulsar willow]

Okay but can we, like, build a buffer of Xircon instead

[haughty wharf]

The wuling tax is steep
Sewage
Cuprium
Power
Battery

[dark furnace]

the catch is that I now have a xiranite deficiency

[young stag]

the first 4 on the left is to ensure 1/s (or 1/2s) idk

[pulsar willow]

Haha gottem

[young stag]

no i’m fairly aware of it

[dark furnace]

the problem is not the xircon output, but not enough xircon eff input

if you connect treatment for the xircon crucible directly, you would notice the treatment went to sleep mode from time to time, meaning the xircon crucible is not producing stuffs every 2s

[young stag]

couldn’t this just be solved by a fluid tank filled w/xircon eff as buffer

[dark furnace]

with normal setup the tank gets drained in hours

[subtle finch]

man, it's so much worse than that. if last crucible bugs out, that's 4 crucible worth of items getting deleted. then the mid 2 deletes their previous step too

[dark furnace]

also it's not a long term test

[pulsar willow]

Ahhh, that... did you try putting every xircon output into one pipe and then split them equally?

I guess you did that already...

[shrewd sigil]

this is the best i can do

i guess

[dark furnace]

if you want to test with absolute value you could setup an isolated environment with 1000 units of xircon eff making xircon and see how much xiron you got

[subtle finch]

i hope avy can test for us 1800 cycles/60mins on a full system and see what's the actual xircon lost

im lazy to do it myself

[dark furnace]

yea, and I made sure both xircon crucibles have capped xircon eff

[umbral lotus]

Hello what facilities count on this limit? Does it include pipes too?

[dark furnace]

this's why SC battery production makes this bug very significant. This bug existed since 1.0 but less noticeable because the production chain isn't long enough for us to care. But if you ever ask why your depot has stuffs piling up despite you are using them 1:1 yield and usage, the bug is why

[haughty wharf]

Pipes are sepperate; bridges and splitters count as three belts.

[subtle finch]

my doubt on this is there is origocrust to dust to crust loop and i never heard those running out

werent they making variable power with that

[dark furnace]

sry mb it's not exactly the crucible bug, but the belt bug that was causing the pile up

like how your ores get capped in valley even though you are using them 1:1

[subtle finch]

yeah, that's least significant. this new one is like 10x that imo

[dark furnace]

as each LC battery runs through 5 crucibles

[marble yarrow]

yeah everything is affected. you can turn your graphs to 1d, and everything has minus 1 or 2 for valley

[dark furnace]

if the chain only runs through 1 crucible, the problem would be less significant

[subtle finch]

no one is bold enough to make a beltless factory yet

[dark furnace]

the only thing stopping us is the facility cap

[haughty wharf]

We need that bluetooth factory

[dark furnace]

just let us connect machinese with 0 blocks already

make them touch

[lapis crane]

social distancing factory?

[hidden temple]

so yesterday I wanted to limit cuprium parts and just copy pasted the logistics for xiranite since it's 1:1 anyway, and it's been working fine

but then I realized just today that the splitter on cuprium part side is touching the converger on xiranite side
yet it still only splits 2 ways?
is it cuz xiranite just so happens to occupy the converger at the right timing to block the path?

[shrewd knoll]

endfield 2 second airfry regulations

[lapis crane]

you could mirror them to not touch it?

[hidden temple]

yeah when I noticed I intended to do that

but then noticed it was splitting the way I intended anyway

just 2 ways

and wondered why

[pulsar willow]

Anybody tried making a closed environment containing only bridges and splitters instead of pipes and belts?

[final escarp]

Sir I am employed

[pulsar willow]

Lamp my beloved

[lapis crane]

why it missing 1
(offline)

[pulsar willow]

Maybe I should also start playing in asian server just to test things lol

[upper fiber]

stolen by the devs for metastorage payment

[lapis crane]

syringe c is the one actually using metastorage and stable

[bright zodiac]

by tax

fee & service charge

lulzzz

[upper fiber]

2 yazhen for every 1hr offline

[lapis crane]

ngl I like my base result for stable components output in a day

forget yesterday dip because I forgot to turn on sandleaf plantation

[bright zodiac]

in asia, it does has slightly deficit stuff too, like everyone mention

it might be lower than 0.5% missing item, but deficit is still deficit

[upper fiber]

NA has no issue?

[severe nexus]

Imagine the devs purposely did this to troll ppl

[lapis crane]

I hate crucible bug that make my production 119/120

[bright zodiac]

[subtle finch]

they can't read

[bright zodiac]

my cuprium is 120yield and 119-121usage

ffs, also deficit xircon over loooooong period of time

[dark furnace]

the devs didn't expect people care

turns out many have OCD

[upper fiber]

oh i skipped the 'too', can't bother to read that

[wispy grove]

thats 11/min yup yours fluctuates

[dark furnace]

they have 1/m component

[pulsar willow]

Oh so a deficit is different on the different servers?

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[dark furnace]

i think they meant the xiranite

[lapis crane]

offline stat

some missing

[subtle finch]

oh they care, they purposely made sc bat cost 4 dense originium to annoy us

[dark furnace]

oh nvm

[lapis crane]

i hate crucible bug
mess up with offline number

[dark furnace]

and that freaking 90 ferrium

and 25/m meta transfer

why 25? why not 30?

[pulsar willow]

They could have made it 120 at least

[dark furnace]

lmao

[lapis crane]

this abomination is result from freaking 25/60

[pulsar willow]

The ores purity upgrades is only limited to originium, what a joke

[subtle finch]

don't get me started with depot bus not fitting corner to corner

[tough ledge]

If water conduit can store like fluid tank, does this mean we can hook it up to more than 2 at a time?

[bright zodiac]

the thing is, i have stuff at 58K

its noticeable when it decrease (instead of other ppl that has 0 on depot) , eventho the decrease is very smal over a long time until u can see the deficit

now that also explain why on 1.0, i have 60/60 xiranite yield usage.

AND OVER 24H, when i came back, i will have excess 300 xiranite out of nowhere (also has 48K xiranite back then)

[upper fiber]

inlet1 to outlet1 pipe to inlet2 to outlet2

[lapis crane]

offline stat is silently killing us

[pulsar willow]

I had 23K xircon, now it's 18.5K

So yeah it's definitely underproducing some

[subtle finch]

you mean like this?

[tough ledge]

no

as in like 3 output out of 1 fluid pump

[bright zodiac]

that deficit is huge

mine decreaee like 1K over 4days

[subtle finch]

that's just a splitter

[pulsar willow]

You can't hook ap a conduit to more than 1 other conduit.

[tough ledge]

yea im aware

[pulsar willow]

Only if you alternate between inlet and outlet lol

[tough ledge]

as in like this

but without consequences

[subtle finch]

that's double the amount to connect if you need to move it

[tough ledge]

because you got 500 water buffer

[lapis crane]

yeah I also use stash loop on xiranite to deal with clog offline from direct line to crucible

[upper fiber]

with 2 fluid pumps in, yeah

[pulsar willow]

At least it looks cooler than just barrels of liquid 🙂

[subtle finch]

i dont see how that helps?

[lapis crane]

and this thing because sewage keep overflows when machines are slacking when offline

[fathom grotto]

WTF YOU CAN REFINE YAHZEN

[lapis crane]

basically lower output from offline bug

direct xiranite and sewage overflow with just one treatment

[fathom grotto]

bro i swear the game doesnt give any formulas related to this

[pulsar willow]

Yes and the other thing too

And it gives twice the carbon

[subtle finch]

i get the 2nd pic. but if crucible deletes item at step 1, you miss 1 cycle, you can't remedy that unless you have extra crucible

[fathom grotto]

ive been using sandleaf the entire time

[pulsar willow]

Where is your creative spark, huh?

[fathom grotto]

mf im referring to formulas to see whats possible

[lapis crane]

sadly i cant do anything when one deleted

since there will be a gap on everything anyway

[pulsar willow]

Yeah and I am referring to your lack of curiosity to put stuff into machines. As a joke.

[fathom grotto]

putting literally everything into the refinery just to test whether a formula of it exists is not my thing

[pulsar willow]

Then it's cool. Now you know and it's all that matters.

[fathom grotto]

im such an un-curious species of sapiens

i shall go extinct

[lapis crane]

im curious if I add you to refinery
what will came out

[bright zodiac]

chill bro, chil

iirc the game probably only give 1 carbon formula, like buckflower, so when you notice and try citrome, aketine, sandleaf, they works

ppl then start to try jincao yazhen just to unlock formula, ALSO then ppl found it produce 2carbon instead

[fathom grotto]

lmaoo

[lapis crane]

same thing when making fertilizer yeah

but wasting foge slot is meh

[fathom grotto]

oh well
hypergryph is an indie company, cant tell them to fix it

[bright zodiac]

tbh i dislike the idea of putting poop and xiranite into your most important building....

forge of the poop

[subtle finch]

i dislike picking poop

[pulsar willow]

Pure toxic waste I guess

[fathom grotto]

xircon effulgent

[bright zodiac]

did they improve the animation lock duration? i hate it, i only have 50murdobuck and never again want to collect it (i dont even use them)

[subtle finch]

it's a holy shit i guess

[fathom grotto]

🔥

[bright zodiac]

"shit from the sky"

lulz

[pulsar willow]

Inert

[fathom grotto]

my ahh really have been doing this to make battery

insane revelations

[bright zodiac]

time to use 21x19 30/m xiranite (self sufficient & no depot) setup

[subtle finch]

as opposed to real life where we just let africans mine the cobalts

[lapis crane]

same bro

[fathom grotto]

damn

ok i just started to look into maxing the wuling factory
Whats the target productivity

[bright zodiac]

power usage

[pulsar willow]

Depends on how many components you want to make

[fathom grotto]

just let me know the stuffs i have to make to achieve max profits

[lapis crane]

12 sc battery
6 yazhen A
1.5(?) yazhen c

[fathom grotto]

oh alr

[pulsar willow]

But mainly 12 SC batteries and 6 yazhen injectors A

[fathom grotto]

task acquired
see yall in 12 hours

[lapis crane]

I placed too much turret and ziplines

[merry wagon]

i think 3 yazhen c is possible

[pulsar willow]

Wish you luck!

[bright zodiac]

well, u use 2SC, definitely gonna make that excess power somewhere else

[lapis crane]

manual transfer is disgusting

[marble yarrow]

2.75 is the exact

using 55 ferrium

[merry wagon]

na I just metatransfer

i hate manual

[pulsar willow]

So disgusting in fact that I use metatransfer.

[marble yarrow]

2.75/min yazhen C

[merry wagon]

welp that explains the production dip after some time

[pulsar willow]

If you free up half a line of xiranite from the xircon production - it shouldn't dip.

Because you will have 62.5 ferrium per minute

[merry wagon]

my xircon feeds directly to the battery packager so it's hard to split

but I'm fine as long as I don't run out of power

[pulsar willow]

Xiranite, not xircon itself

[upper fiber]

i'm curious why you guys don't metatransfer ferrium part instead

[merry wagon]

hmm

i see

[pulsar willow]

It doesn't save that much power and we have space.

Plus if we transfer the part - it will not be balanced.

It's better to transfer the refined ferrium as shown.

[pulsar cypress]

Me just simply use the ore..

[merry wagon]

same

[lapis crane]

same

[final escarp]

For everyone wondering if it's more worth to produce yazhen C or HC valley battery with excess ferrium/originium respectively, i can safely say Yazhen C is almost always the correct choice, unless ur power usage is >6.373k

[lapis crane]

do we even can place enough for 6k

[hushed blaze]

[upper fiber]

120 water treatment is 6k

[tawny bear]

8 thermal banks powered by sc wuling batteries will get u 25.6k power

[lapis crane]

what did u messed up

[tawny bear]

so far i haven't got past 3.5k :v

[uneven aspen]

added 3rd xircon reactor, it sends xircon to the other 2 reactors which send 1 belt each to protocol stash.

This should be 60/min yield yes?

also someone please double check for me, this was a pain to figure out . . .

[hushed blaze]

Ferrium ore depleted to 0. It'll be very slow to produce bottle and components

Well guess regional transfering is the only option

[young stag]

what is this even

60/m is 2 crucibles

[uneven aspen]

back up xircon because something about 500 inputs making 497 xircon when offline losing 3 somewhere.

the crucibles lose liquid xiranite and xir effu as well

[pulsar cypress]

Even ignoring the power consumption..
Extra v4 battery not needed coz v4 shop already cleaned up with many extra stocks..

While medC wuling can be stored so when another sub unlocked can be use to spam bought new bills..

New sub also kinda make us need to produce more, double amount of bill to bought..

[scenic swift]

it wont help unless you also have extra xirinite but it would eventually run out to

[subtle finch]

1 extra xircon production is the equivalent of having a depot buffer. it will run out eventually, it's all linked at that 120xiranite after all. liquid xiranite or raw xiranite can be deleted too, that's the part that can't be remedied

[young stag]

the only thing that actually affects it overall is the graphs

this is 30m view

[lapis crane]

and then offline 119 xiranite

[uneven aspen]

yeah i know it's impossible to fix, just wanna fix graph

can't fix taxes removing at max yield

[lapis crane]

hidden tax is scary

[subtle finch]

im saying that's just a roundabout way of xircon lane from a depot bus. nothing changes. i thought you're looking for answer

[scenic swift]

there has only ever been 1 answer and thats to just not go offline otherwise you have to accept the offline tax

[young stag]

the offline tax is like .06%

[uneven aspen]

tax by powerbill equivalent to mining.

[young stag]

so you have 99.4% of your production still active

[hushed blaze]

Is it okay if i use filling unit just to fill cuprium bottles in sewage liquid? 👀

[final escarp]

Here's the math:
Yazhen C = 16 stonks
SC Wuling = 54 stonks

For Yazhen C:
Metatransfer 25 ferrium/min
Excess 30 ferrium/min
Total 55 ferrium/min
This is enough to give us 2.75 Yazhen C/min
(27.5/min into 13.75 bottles/min, 27.5/min into 27.5 ferrium part/min)
2.75 Yazhen C/min = 44 stonks/mon

Assuming you don't care about Valley IV stonks, any excess HC valley battery produced is wasted

In order for HC valley battery to be more worth, you have to be using it to save more than 44 stonks/min of SC Wuling battery

44 stonks/min of SC wuling battery = 0.814814 SC wuling batt/min = 0.01358 SC wuling batt/sec

This means you need to be using more than 0.01358 SC wuling batt/sec = 1 SC wuling battery every 73.636363 sec

(The below is simply DIGE calc)
Since 1 batt runs for 40 sec, ur power usage must be such that you have less than 73.636363 - 40 = 33.636363 sec before you run out of power
Meaning you have more than an excess of 100000/33.636363 = 2972.972 units of power, thus you are operating on more than 2972.972 + 200 + 3200 (1 SC Wuling) = 6.373kU power

[scenic swift]

imo just pay the taxes and take pictures of the graph while online for 10 minutes to look at the nice straight lines, dont look at offline graphs and pretend they dont exist

[upper fiber]

you have too many bottles?

[uneven aspen]

i was running out batteries

SC wuling batteries going from 1.6k to 1k to 600 to 300

[subtle finch]

i'll just take your word for it, since im team yazhen already

[devout egret]

So how do even remove the inert effluent xircon liquid? Not seeing the any water treament.

[uneven aspen]

rn i have gearing components off and going full 12/min yield battery for mroe buffer 💀

[final escarp]

Hence just produce Yazhen C its more worth
Thank you for coming to my ted talk

[hushed blaze]

No i have too many cuprium ore.
Although i have spared bottles

[scenic swift]

you shouldnt run out batteries unless you trying to do some price power saving

[uneven aspen]

that's sewage and it goes back to the sewage clogging handling thing

this

[subtle finch]

this is like conservation of energy. item getting deleted and people are still trying to make a perpetual motion to fill the 11/min gap. i absolutely can't believe it.
sewage and xiranite annihilate each other, having sewage buffer doesn't also help if xiranite/liquid xiranite gets deleted too. that's the unrefillable gap

[uneven aspen]

well it's actively going down with my current setup

so swapping to hopefully a more stable one

i am zero confidence btw

something gonna fail

2hour aic report 😔 just noticed syringe A also dips now im wondeirng why

[scenic swift]

they could add something like a back up generator that only turns on when power dips below a certain % so it could automatically recharge without needing to control the batteries

[sleek mulch]

are you producing enough yazhen fluid? why is your SC wuling battery dropping too

[marble yarrow]

thinner

[subtle finch]

that's why dige exist

[hushed blaze]

Do you really have to do this just for getting mats?

[pulsar willow]

You built Auschwitz... in our factory game...

[shrewd knoll]

they still seem to warp out of the prison cell if they start targeting your party members on the ground who seems to be very trigger happy

[uneven aspen]

hmm it's dropping as well likely the reactor crucible tax

figured out the 11/min yield reason though .

1 reactor crucible sitting at 0 xiranite even though it has 1 belt going to it

the others are at 50 xiranite cause im feeding 2x belts to them . . .

[pulsar willow]

Okay so
If I make 60 yazhen solution and only use like, 41.25, how does it happen exactly?

[uneven aspen]

the crucible clogs up, and the yanzhen powder clogs up on the belt

[marble yarrow]

actually they dont, in this config

[shrewd knoll]

its always the hat guy doing the warp attack getting out

i have to pretty much take out all the party members

[wispy grove]

blame the crucibles taking your yazhen taxes

[subtle finch]

adding more crucible just puts you in xiranite deficit. and guess what, now you have more extra machines that can delete item, genius

[marble yarrow]

oh actually the 2 hat guys dont get out in my setup even if my characters are around the facilities

[distant sphinx]

is it possible to clear outpost with 1 xcon prod?

[subtle finch]

no. you need 2

[young stag]

what

[distant sphinx]

thought so..... I might just stock up on xianite parts then slowly clear the outpost

[distant sphinx]

how many parts conponent do you think is good

[uneven aspen]

janky fix for now 😔

[young stag]

does this work on valley 4 too

since they spawn outside

[subtle finch]

10k is a good start. 24h is 8640

[distant sphinx]

yeah I am abit over that

[distant sphinx]

is that a full saturation line?

or is that half saturation

[subtle finch]

full

[distant sphinx]

cos I am still making small xia batteries

[uneven aspen]

i wonder about that since they should only run when the tax happens, so it was like 497/500? so it would run 3 times.

[subtle finch]

it should be perfect 2 xiranite line for gearing unit. and 2 lanes for xircon->bat. you can split the 2 for each type of component too if you feel like it. no splitter fuss

[uneven aspen]

everything conduits, reactors should be full inputs all the time, and the backup reactors only send drop on tax and should be basically clogged the entire time not running.

well on paper. gonna implement this another day, back from 300 SC batteries to 2.2k surplus after selling.

[subtle finch]

497/500 is an understatement. all 10 crucibles are getting hit with that. if the final one gets hit. that's 2 crucible worth of materials instead

[cunning obsidian]

okay time to do new stuff realisies

would like some feed back though

[scenic swift]

its still 99.4% even if you add more

[cunning obsidian]

how are people handling the mismatch between sandleaf powder needed and actually being made?

[final escarp]

Sorry guys this math is flawed I forgot to consider the case whereby you use HC valley battery as base power

Its actually more worth to use HC valley

[wispy grove]

its funny when the lack of sewage from xircon cancels out the buildup from the refineries

[cunning obsidian]

especially for xaneriate

[final escarp]

The math is very complicated had to use Wolfram Alpha

[pulsar cypress]

The enemies really can't passing through the facilities?

[marble yarrow]

certain facilities. i cant block them with 3x3 ones

maybe only the large ones

[pulsar cypress]

Ahh.. Oki..

[subtle finch]

this is a gacha game man, you have 5.83% chance to lose an item every 2 seconds. it's likely more since like i said, last crucible is double items lost

[tepid wigeon]

Huh I just thought about it but don't want to go through it, are there BPs people made that double up on one of the xiranite crucibles for making solution for syringes?

Or can the reactor only process one per work period?

[scenic swift]

you just spend 503 to make 500 instead of 500 to make 497, you still only lost 3 in both cases. You spend 3 more though which will eventually add up to another loss, the ratio of loss isn't changing though.

[carmine igloo]

How to transfer them to the AIC?

[pulsar cypress]

If different solutions, can produce both at same time.
Like me use one crucible to make syringe and drink..

[tepid wigeon]

yup it does process both concurrently

[marble yarrow]

?

[tepid wigeon]

I think it could help make a more compact factory if someone planned it right (and also save 50 power)

I'm too 1head to figure it out though

[upper fiber]

i changed from packaging unit when i see it is bigger

[pulsar cypress]

If the water can keep up, it can ig..
Me also too dumb to fully understand..

[tepid wigeon]

just put water in both liquid inputs

But also only one water should be able to supply both I think

I thought crucibles still process in 2sec intervals

[wispy grove]

Dang making interconnected makes makes it even more painful to deal with once it clogs

[tepid wigeon]

water is 60/min so 1 water should fully supply for both

30/min xiranite and 30/min yahzen

[upper fiber]

.5/s gang
0.5/s gang
1/2s gang
60/min gang
ASSEMBLE!

[pulsar cypress]

It should work similar to my double meds crucible..

[tepid wigeon]

yeah

You just need to work around 4 other crucibles in the area

only power is weird everything else can easily be converted to /min

[upper fiber]

if someone typed '1/2s' and '1/ 2s' but forgot to type the space....

[tepid wigeon]

I think my mind just subconciously converts all per second to per min

[scenic swift]

is the protocol stash teleport every 9 seconds or 10 seconds? seems like using those could potentially create spikes in the graph

[shrewd knoll]

should be 10

[tepid wigeon]

if you're filling stash consistently it should have no variability

[subtle finch]

i'm lazy to do math, verify it if you want to. basically 0.84 battery lost per minute = 50.4 lost per hour. close enough to the 11/min offline aic report

[tepid wigeon]

Is that happening when you're online or offline

There's finnicky server stuff where it runs sliiiiiiightly slower when you're not online

[subtle finch]

just offline

[tepid wigeon]

at about that rate yeah

I think it's everything not just crucibles

or at least some things

[sleek mulch]

wtf why is there ai slop math in my help channel

[wispy grove]

Uhh

[marble yarrow]

aight lodespring good

[fathom grotto]

Ok its not been 12h but i think the sc battery unit is finished
The whole thing is 28 x 64 is this space efficient enough?

[paper magnet]

Why did the prompt turn from deterministic to probabilistic or am I missing some context

[wispy grove]

Sadly u cant turn that into blueprint

What in the world

[subtle finch]

#aic-factory message
the root of all evil

[fathom grotto]

the challenge i put for myself was to make the whole thing only as wide as the number of input ports it uses

which is 8 originium inputs with 1 ferrium input

[wispy grove]

But theres cuprium

Oh okay nvm

[fathom grotto]

i try to avoid processing sandleaf or yahzen at a different spot and then put it back into the machine here and instead put all of the plants processed directly into the machine

saves some space

[wispy grove]

This probability seems accurate enough

[tepid wigeon]

it's not 5.83% chance to lose it's running ~5.83% slower

[subtle finch]

belts just slows down when offline. that is less significant. crucibles outright delete items

[tepid wigeon]

huh

ok damn

how did people realize it was losing items?

[wispy grove]

Its poof out of nowhere

Controlled set up

[tepid wigeon]

oh and not always the same result

[subtle finch]

7% is the actual lost, losing xircon is equal to losing 2 xiranite

[tepid wigeon]

that explains why my xircon has been crashing out

[wispy grove]

Thats why you get 2sewage buildup?

Or just 1 maybe 1

[tepid wigeon]

can't even leave game running all night cause idle dc

[wispy grove]

What if you put pipe control before entering the crucible? Make a splitter system that makes pipes only reaches 0.5/ of liquid

[tepid wigeon]

open crafting make plot

[scenic swift]

2 xiranite a sec = 7200 hour x 99.4% / 100 = 7156.8. 7200-7156.8= 43.2 xiranite lost per hour.
You worded the question wrong because you asked "if you lose 7% every 2 secs." You have a 7% chance to lose 1 per sec, this very different from losing an entire 7% every 2 sec.

[marble yarrow]

jellyfish

[paper magnet]

Mouse jiggler

[scenic swift]

losing 7% a sec would be calculating it as 100% chance to lose 7%

[bright nimbus]

Factory wins all lmao

[fathom grotto]

Ok lowkey my factory sucks fucking ass

[final escarp]

So regarding my mistake, basically at about 3400 power the stonks of 2.75/min Yazhen C is about equal to the stonks of the 0.815/min SC wuling batt saved
But any higher power would result in greater SC wuling batt savings thus outweighing the Yazhen C stonks produced

[unkempt estuary]

[bright nimbus]

Nah it’s really compact. You did awesome

[subtle finch]

idk, i just worded it that way since the related machines only execute every 2sec. its close enough for my interest

[unkempt estuary]

flame turret too powerful

need nerf

[scenic swift]

but thats a very different result, I dont think you got the right numbers though

[final escarp]

Furthermore Yazhen C probably also uses more power than HC valley as you have to have extra filling and moulding unit

[subtle finch]

i see, prob&stat isnt my best suit like i said

[dark furnace]

what even is this AI

[bright nimbus]

But uh I needed only 2 jincao/yazhen setups for 2 xiranites setups. You should check the carbon powder ratio

[scenic swift]

ai works when you give it the right numbers

you should still check results though

the cursed number

[young stag]

this is chance so you can’t really calculate it

like you could fall into the 7% every time and only end up making 3/2s

[scenic swift]

you can calculate the probability though

the average

[subtle finch]

you win or you lose, so its 50/50 amiright

[dark furnace]

the AI just phrased it badly tbh

the result the AI gave is average

[cunning obsidian]

meh, should i start over on the layout?

[scenic swift]

the correct answer is also 0. Because you were online the whole time you didnt lose any! The AI could never know this.

[dark furnace]

but it doesn't state it and gave the answer like it's absolute

[cunning obsidian]

feel like i have alot of empty space in this

[dark furnace]

one wuling plant can make 2 carbon in reactor

[scenic swift]

no it did I just didnt show all of its math just the answer

[cunning obsidian]

wait so i only need 1 plant line here?

[dark furnace]

yes

also one refiner is enough

[cunning obsidian]

how tf did i fuck the math so much

[dark furnace]

because valley plant only gives one carbon per plant and most people thought wuling plant is also the same

the mistake is understandable

[cunning obsidian]

i was doing sand leaf before

[dark furnace]

i think you mixed up it being able to be shredded into 3 instead of 2 like the other plants. As sandleaf only gives 1 carbon

[young stag]

just add when needed

[bright nimbus]

I agree. Extra 30/min sandleaf powder from xiranite setup is quite useful for other productions

[young stag]

only the wuling plants do

[scenic swift]

Maybe the factory must grow wasn't just a slogan, and it's literally growing by eating your resources while offline. No observable increase in size yet, probably takes a whole patch before it can grow to the next level.

[young stag]

the factory is growing

by leeching off dissolved water or something

idk

[dark furnace]

refining sandleaf powder turns into carbon powder, not carbon. And it's 3 sandleaf powder to 2 carbon powder, the same ratio as 1 sandleaf to 1 carbon

[zealous night]

ghow do you manage overflow sewage

[young stag]

but the general size is bigger by 1 planter anyway

[bright nimbus]

If you did everything right but it occurs bc of bug, run sewage through a fluid tank maybe? And u can reinstall it to empty it

[dark furnace]

?

[dark furnace]

wdym by that

[zealous night]

i mean is there a way to remove only the overflow cuz im making like 11 bats/min cuz of components so i dont want my cuprium to stop working cuz of sewage backup

[pulsar willow]

you get twice as much carbon from refining wuling plants

[bright nimbus]

You can split sewage and send 1/3 to water treatment unit for the crucible that receives reduced xiranites

[waxen linden]

profit wise is it better to use the extra ferrium for hc valley battery or jincao/yazhen C

[dark furnace]

doesn't the reduced crucible need 5/6 sewage?

splitting 1/3 to treatment would make the crucible underperform

[young stag]

wuling plants to carbon is more compact and eats less energy

don’t mind the empty batteries i messed up some planning

[hybrid dock]

Help: i just unlocked the main AIC area in wuling.

But i don't have any sources of ores there. If i transfer ores from valley4, and build machines, it uses more energy than i have. And if i transfer battery, then I don't have any source of ores to work with.

How did u First start wiling factory?Or should i continue with the main quest and it'll give me stuffs to work with along the way?

[dark furnace]

I wasn't telling them to use sandleaf for carbon, I was clarifying to the person that sandleaf can only produce 1 carbon per 2s no matter shredded or not 😭

[bright nimbus]

So my right crucibles is receiving xiranites and sewage good for 3 sc batteries while my left receive good for 2 sc battery productions

[dark furnace]

as they thought sandleaf can produce 2 carbon like wuling plants

[pulsar willow]

you need 2 shredding units to keep up with carbon production with wuling plants

the thing you shown only uses 1

[bright nimbus]

For me, I progressed through story, unlocked ferrium and started with valley 4 sc battery. You can also manually transfer batteries easily at your space ship(?)

[young stag]

ohhhhh

[hybrid dock]

From the spaceship?

[sick basin]

Ye
Just switch depots

[bright nimbus]

You can switch depot of wuling and valley4 from spaceship

[young stag]

no nvm i thought you could make carbon power from sandleaf powder directly

the game has hidden recipes they don’t show you until you discover it

[waxen linden]

Profit wise is it better to use the extra ferrium for hc valley battery or jincao/yazhen C

[dark furnace]

I use wiki to make sure I don't miss any recipe

[young stag]

like the fertilizer one

mix dung with liquid xiranite to make fertilizer

[pulsar willow]

damn it's still boggling my mind that people don't know about double carbon convertion ratio

[dark furnace]

yea I looked up how to make it despite buying the recipe from the guy

[pulsar willow]

fertilizer? Like the one to make crops grow faster?

[young stag]

yes

[pulsar willow]

any reason to make it?

[dark furnace]

I used sandleaf to make carbon for 3 weeks after reaching wuling in 1.0, as the game doesn't hint you at all. So I don't blame them

[young stag]

some crops take 12h to grow fully

[dark furnace]

fertilizer makes the crop grows double instead of speeding them up. So it's useful if you can't get online frequently for eco-farm

and it's easier to collect now because they shortened the softlock of patting the bulls

used to be like 1.5x longer

[upper fiber]

4hrs+ offline 130 xircon gone....

[cunning obsidian]

hows that look

[final escarp]

Ok so after many many calculations
Here is the verdict
HC valley battery > yazhen C if power use >3400
BUT
If you alr have Yazhen C, ur not losing out on much
For example I have 3.775k power, and this nets me 7.93 stonks/min less if I were to produce Yazhen C as compared to HC valley battery
Which is about 11.5k stock bills per day
Ultimately it won't matter if you produce more than the stock bills generated per day and even if you don't 11.5k per day is actually peanuts

@subtle finch sorry for misinfo lol

[crude nebula]

So you can speedrun it now?!

Did they add any new indicator to differentiate the one that already got pat?

[bright zodiac]

not until teammates decide to help you pat

i still dont want to collect poop

[upper fiber]

be grateful they want to pick up.... the poop

[crude nebula]

I just want a dung collector automation already either

[scenic swift]

yeah not doing that, I dont even grow the plants anymore

[bright zodiac]

i have tons of burdomuck yet i never use them

[crude nebula]

The still only help with pickup right? Not the pat animation

[bright zodiac]

already have 400ginseng, amber rice, fluff, thorn, all hoarded and i dont even do daily farm

[shrewd knoll]

their unions prevent them from touching domestic animals

[scenic swift]

sprinklers cost to much power for something that doesnt even automate the entire process. They also just get in the way of the party members so they cant help you with the non automated parts

[crude nebula]

We need everyone to ask for dung collector automation in v1.2

[fervent spoke]

Easy fix go into camera mode and disable facilities

[bright zodiac]

its not a fix

[crude nebula]

Current temporary solution

[bright zodiac]

[shrewd knoll]

the fix is to uproot everything and never touch it again

[scenic swift]

this lol we got enough wild plants to grab if you really need some

[crude nebula]

To never plant it from the start

[bright zodiac]

ive seen ppl suggest that our teammates also automatically gather rare growth, mineral instead of standing still

for QoL

[crude nebula]

Nah its less annoying than collecting dung

But good to have

[fervent spoke]

Workaround then

[bright zodiac]

come to think of it, i should disable my sprinklers and get 100 more power

[bright zodiac]

its like plugging a leak wall with your hand, inatead of actually fixing the wall

[crude nebula]

The sprinkle range just wasting so much spaces in a symmetrical setup

[bright zodiac]

on early jan, i spent 2hours trying to figure the perfect plot farm

and i did it, perfect symmetric, and only 4pylon, 1pump, 10sprinklers

20 plots

[dark furnace]

no

[fervent spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/leaking-water-leaking-flex-tape-fixing-leak-water-leak-fix-gif-12150979

[dark furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/walk-away-from-your-problems-homer-walking-away-homer-whistle-whistle-denial-simpsons-gif-27449466

[bright nimbus]

This is gem farming layout. 1/2 problems solved

[bright zodiac]

sewageeee at home

[dark furnace]

redirect all the clogged sewage to Zhuang's office

[fervent spoke]

So that's where the disappearing liquids go

[final escarp]

Can Zhuangs bathwater make the reactor crucible operate at 100% offline?

[crude nebula]

I mean 1 sprinkle every 2 plot is a waste of spot

[dark furnace]

no because I drunk them all

[crude nebula]

Me and my wife you mean?

[bright zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[crude nebula]

Are you crafting a story or something, why are you typing for so long, sharkfin

Anyway, what are you guys doing as of now? since i think most people already maximize their production capacity for v1.1

[dark furnace]

All the tech we have and with that big-ass sprinkler, it can only spray a small area in front of it. Man, my $5 auto sprinklers from Wish can water a way larger area

[bright zodiac]

write, think, delete
write again, think again, nah not a good idea, bye

[dark furnace]

nah I just left a key typed in the chat for some reason

[bright zodiac]

[pulsar willow]

rebuilding everything for the 4th time, because it's friday evening

[bright zodiac]

just a lil bit more so i can post v4 all 80K items (aic report)

[dark furnace]

🥀

[bright zodiac]

dunno man, wuling is... try hard trying to optimize power

[crude nebula]

Imagine he fall asleep then holding a key with his nose

I need more cash in wuling, they should just allow us to print the currency ourself

[bright zodiac]

if already done everything, this is the thing u can do

fr

[bright zodiac]

ehhh, i dont even do delivery anymore i transfer everyday for 2months now

its a win win, ppl got money and so am i

[dense lintel]

am i doing smth wrong cuz i cant seem to make a pipe splitter

[shrewd knoll]

put it in your hotbar

from AIC

[pulsar willow]

place a splitter before the pipes

[bright zodiac]

rotate the splitter, if still cant, delete that single tile pipe

[crude nebula]

People only want the wuling and power plateau

[shrewd knoll]

nah ppl just not doing depots now cuz its not worth the effort

i dont even bother to send out the transfer or get the job now

[bright zodiac]

i always prioritize riska and transfer the job, even its close, i dont want to do it myself (even i have a perfect zipline myself)

[wheat forum]

Pretty strange that the game isn’t automatically built splitters and convergers when drawing pipes like bridges.

[bright zodiac]

cmon atleast send the job

[shrewd knoll]

too much clicking

they need to expedite it

[bright zodiac]

tbf, i want to write feedback about "transfer job" menu, to make it easier and faster

itsgetting tedious repeat especially noticeable on v4

imagine the future when we got more depot node

OG arknight issue still lingers, = tons manual labor every single day (daily chore)

[vague thunder]

so uh, for the people who's not enthusiastic about building their own factoies, are there blueprints for a whole working base?

[shrewd knoll]

i just collect stocks now too, cuz you know its literally a unlimited wallet

more drills!

[bright zodiac]

there are lot of BP u can search,

or state your progression, region, or what production u need

[shrewd knoll]

isnt most of the BP in blueprints basically whole bases

[vague thunder]

gotcha, i dont need it yet but i'll share my info when needed

[shrewd knoll]

they are all pretty much the same thing

in different flavors

[tawny bear]

i got one with space for stuff

[wheat forum]

There are some BPs which are just a single module or simple production line.

[vague thunder]

because i havent unlocked all the area upgrades so i reckon the BPs wont be fully usable yet

[bright zodiac]

for v4, u can search a single meds A, and u can dupe it as much as you need on which base you like, same as HC battery

in wuling... u will need
xiranite production setup, meds C, LC wuling battery, xiranite component

then
xircon, SC wuling battery, meds A, cuprium component

[wheat forum]

In that case, a modular BP would suit you best.

[vague thunder]

for now i just do makeshift production for whatever's needed until i unlock everything, then i'l look into optimizsing

[bright zodiac]

yea, finish v4 first or reach power plateau first

and try to upgrade all base size to max, for easier space management, most BP is.... huge

[vague thunder]

i just got to wuling for whatever that's worth

[shrewd knoll]

if you are just starting in wuling, just make a makeshift SC valley battery or something'

until you unlock everything

[bright zodiac]

yo

thats already somewhat far

[vague thunder]

thanks guys

[bright zodiac]

need LC first tho, or else, their outpost will never grow

[shrewd knoll]

if he doesnt have all the inflatables

he cant even make the xiranite

so just make SC battery to bridge it when he can build it

[vague thunder]

i only just yesterday managed to get the components for the purple lvl 50 gear lol, im in no rush

[shrewd knoll]

since it still takes like 600ish power to make the wuling LC battery

[wheat forum]

Or better, import HC Valley Battery modular BP with separated steel part production lines so that you can replace with Xiranite to make LC Wuling Battery.

[bright zodiac]

bcs the dev, handhold all player that complain about have to read and learn every production line

not even feb, the dev already hand out 600ferrium and cryston component to every player, this makes anyone can skip base and speedrun to wuling

[fathom grotto]

2 sc wuling batteries and a yahzen A pill is max profit right

Damn

[wheat forum]

Yup, for 1.1

[fathom grotto]

if that then why are yall factories dense full

[upper fiber]

+2.5 yazhenC

[wheat forum]

1.2 may add HC Wuling Batteries

[fathom grotto]

mine is only around 2/3rds of the area filled

[subtle finch]

is this how 2.75/min should look like in 30min interval?

[bright zodiac]

HC wuling will definitely destroy base space and everything need to be delete and rework

[fathom grotto]

are yall making sth else as well

[wheat forum]

Cuz most like me want to concentrate production at Core Area

[cunning obsidian]

its not possible to make make the liquid xanarite and react it into zircon in a single crucible is it?

[fathom grotto]

but my subpac is empty

[fathom grotto]

not possible

[upper fiber]

that's why i put my xyra production on jingyu

[fathom grotto]

i asked that very question yesterday and it isnt

[bright zodiac]

no simply bcs u need more pipe and crucible only has 2in 2out

[fathom grotto]

ok legit are yall making sth else in the main factory other than sc batteries and yahzen pill A

[wispy grove]

theyre making comps too

[bright zodiac]

we are cooking

[fathom grotto]

there cant be enough cuprium
Pill A already takes up all of them

[wheat forum]

Still, an option to combine Yazhen and Xiranite in the same crucible is the only option.

[wispy grove]

splitting reserves, 11 goes to battery, 1 goes to comps something like that

[fathom grotto]

i see

[wispy grove]

they split and split snd split

until they can make enough 1comp per min

[fathom grotto]

ngl i expected my factory to be dense full but nah i have like 1/3rd of the place left

was confused if im missing something

[wispy grove]

it just looks full because they dont compact it enough

[fathom grotto]

Lol ok

[wispy grove]

heres mine, but i put my 3 forges on subPAC

[bright zodiac]

not for sale

[tawny bear]

nop, am going all in on the yummy stocks B3

[bright zodiac]

dw, i still has 58K xiranite, and fully SC production,

that battery is 1.0 after effect of hoarding too much protocol stash

[cunning obsidian]

if i double feed a reactor will i get twice the output?

[silver hearth]

12 sc and 6 yazhen A is good eught

[nova lodge]

i don't think you can go more than that except for adding yazhen C into your mix.

[fathom grotto]

ok im reading a bit of stuffs about priority flow with sewage
what is this exactly?

[cunning obsidian]

^that was my next question

[fathom grotto]

LMAO

[cunning obsidian]

well my question is how i would force a priority

[nova lodge]

hadn't considered that part, i had just adjusted accordingly with the builds.
ended up looking funny for some of them though :v

[marble yarrow]

actually not, just limitation. only 10min show correct

(well, almost correct)

[wispy grove]

when you directly connect sewage from refineries to crucibles, once you go offline, theres a sewage buildup happening. because crucibles sometimes eat the products that enters it. we calculated almost 7% for every 2 secs

mostly happens on liquid xiranite

[nova lodge]

what happens if you connect refineries to conduit then to crucibles though?
same issue?

[wispy grove]

same issue

it doesnt affect the conduit

just the crucibles

[fathom grotto]

so far im not seeing any build up in my build?

or does it happen over a long period

[wispy grove]

show us your crucibles then

[nova lodge]

i see.
guess the extra waste treament plant is necessary
i was wondering why i kept having excess sewage before ;v.

[fathom grotto]

this is my culprium processing unit

[wispy grove]

sewage priority means, once the crucibles overflows(reaching 50inside) the excess sewage will be diverted to the treatment plant

[fathom grotto]

there are 2 conduits which transport the sewage to the battery unit

[wispy grove]

that looks nice bro

now show us your effluent crucible

[fathom grotto]

what i noticed from the formulas is that
xircon produces 1 every 2 seconds and it produces sewage as well

so why not plug the sewage back into the effulgent

[nova lodge]

that's what most people does

backfeeding.

[fathom grotto]

yeah mathematically there shouldnt be any sewage buildup right?

[sterile stratus]

i currently have 2 cuprium refine (for syringe A) for 2 reacter crucible (xircon effluent) connect to one reacter crucible (xircon) is that ok? i'm worried that the syringe line could be clogged

[fathom grotto]

conduit shows idle but its just transporting sewage immediately

[quasi locust]

is sewage buildup and crucible taxing 3 for every 500 output related? i am a bit confused here

[ruby sorrel]

I tried that and just ended up with less sewage than expected

[wispy grove]

open this one

[fathom grotto]

data doesnt show any fluctuations in sewage usage

could it be possible something went wrong but im not seeing yet?

[wispy grove]

it mostly shows on the battery

[fathom grotto]

battery is also constant?

[wispy grove]

open 2 hr graph

[fathom grotto]

i only just created the factory so it hasnt been running for over an hour yet

[spark hedge]

@fathom grotto

[fathom grotto]

what am i looking at here

[dawn wren]

I think I found a way to supply water to three high purity hydro miners at once. I was having poor luck with just using a single splitter so I rigged up this plate of spaghetti and it seems to supply just enough water to keep them going

[wispy grove]

oh okay your factory is new. like i said the sewage build up only happens when offline, it takes 2 hrs of offline to notice the difference

[nova lodge]

[quasi locust]

is there issue with using a single splitter?

[fathom grotto]

how is it possible though?
Mathematically all sewer should be used up though?

[tawny bear]

it's beautiful,,,,,,,,

[marble yarrow]

over-engineered splitter 😭

[dark furnace]

what does this do...

[dawn wren]

for some reason one of the outputs wasn't getting enough water to keep a hydro miner running seamlessly

[bright zodiac]

in the end, you still use minimal 6 water treatment no matter what you do

[wispy grove]

thats what im telling you, theres an offline bug(it has diff alg) that:
taxes your products within crucibles ->sewage gets left out -> it accumulates overtime.

[marble yarrow]

just 3-way splitter it. and turn off each miner until they get 50 storage. so you are safe

[dark furnace]

why couldn't a single splitter does the job it splits into 3 portions which is exactly what each rig needs

[dawn wren]

guess I overengineered it lol

[marble yarrow]

really weird. mine works ok and i have lots of 1:3 high purity

[dawn wren]

overengineered the splitter I guess lol

[dark furnace]

same here

that's why I was asking

🥀

[quasi locust]

are the miners still running at full efficiency, or you get dips in graph?

[fluid fog]

Bro, on to something...

[fathom grotto]

hmmm i see

[fluid fog]

running fine for me.

[fathom grotto]

ill check back in 3 hours and if theres sewage in my conduit then the bug is really present

[marble yarrow]

yeah just redo it @dawn wren and turn off each hydro miner until everyone clogs and turn them back on

[quasi locust]

maybe they just get used immediately as they come in, so the water empties itself

[fathom grotto]

but if thats the case, then what can be done?

[quasi locust]

but i haven't have a node running 1 pump to 3 high purity nodes yet so idk

until development lv12 comes

[wispy grove]

guys, you do the explaining i need to off

[fathom grotto]

lmao

[dawn wren]

Dang, and I thought I was onto something xD

[dark furnace]

either use the sewage from xircon production and feedback to one of the eff crucible (as xircon is down the chain and has the same bug, the sewage it produces is less than 1:1 always), or setup an overflow system for the input that catches the excessive sewage and redirect to treatment

[fluid fog]

can't w8 for new region, for more BYPRODUCT headache.

[marble yarrow]

yeah what you did is like, create lots of pipes so it acted like a storage buffer. and it made your mining rig work ok

[dark furnace]

you make gas using liquid

[bright zodiac]

we will have new wasted or pollution

[wispy grove]

there are many test that happened, but for me, what i did is, combining 3 sewage pipes(1 from xircon crucibles and 2 refineries). and then split it again into 3(2 effluent crucibles and 1 treatment). because if you dont do that, when you go offline, your looped crucible will not have enough sewage(because of tax) therefore there will have xiraite liquid build up, while your other crucible(connected from refinery) will have less liquid xiranite(because of tax again) and get sewage build up.

[fluid fog]

even more faster than liquid and solid materials so the balance is off again. RRREEEEEEEEEEEEE

[grim shoal]

trying to follow the placement in this video. nothings in the way but it wont sit one block over. am i doing something wrong?

[quasi locust]

maybe the dev are too harsh on themselves by introducing offline mode/offline algorithm, now we running on an ok online game and a buggy offline game

[fluid fog]

Bro, are we trying to fix our F-up economy....

[dark furnace]

imagine we are playing online to solve offline problems

[fathom grotto]

what even is tax lol

i dont ahve a job yet why tf we talking about tax

[dark furnace]

for every 500 liquid you make in crucible, you lose 3

they just went poof

disappeared

[fathom grotto]

really??

[dark furnace]

yes, it's while you offline only though

[wispy grove]

yeehh

[fathom grotto]

im guessing yall found this out by testing and its not intended

[grim shoal]

I'm dumb. its because my characters were standing there. im tired 😭

[quasi locust]

i learned that offline mode bugs like the control port delay, and now the crucible tax

[dark furnace]

people tested it for a few days now trying many different scenarios

[wispy grove]

this bug was before 1.0 but not enough to be a problem, it only happens now because every product is interconnected. one clog can disrupt all your factories

[fathom grotto]

damn
hypergryph is just indie dev guys

[fluid fog]

No... not my billion dollor game...

[grim shoal]

ACTUALLY no, it has nothing to do with that. still will not place

[dark furnace]

so who's going to write a reddit post regarding to this finding?

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-hide-in-shrubs-hiding-in-bushes-disappear-into-hedges-embarrassed-gif-24183287

[fathom grotto]

i never heard anyone talking anything about it lol im surprised i only found out about it now

[fluid fog]

definitely not me, i already have thesis. dont make me add more.

[bright zodiac]

im waiting for discord feedback or bug report so i bring as much ppl as i can to upvote

[wispy grove]

yeah because its recent

[bright zodiac]

but but

its

[dark furnace]

and we found out just a few days ago

[bright zodiac]

been there for long

[dark furnace]

then proved it like yesterday

[bright zodiac]

👍

[fluid fog]

I mean, we have CN Pips. They will directly tell HG about it........

[wispy grove]

the bug was just not as problematic as before(blame sewage)

[fathom grotto]

the chinese guys are on another league when it comes to maths so im sure they have reported way before we even realise the bug

[dark furnace]

they have their own channels...

[wispy grove]

even tho it exist in 1.0

[dark furnace]

they found out belt bug trying to edge battery back then

[fathom grotto]

the what

[fluid fog]

edging u hear that right

[fathom grotto]

ibeprofen

[bright zodiac]

its also explain why i once have a shutdown in v4 while I HAVE all ore more than 70K and sandleaf 80K when it happened.

its highly because... when offline and hC production got slightly cut off bY tax and not enough power to hold entire valley before the next battery comes in

its insane, but this is when i have a very tight usage and yield of power

[fluid fog]

do u atill use pulse in power at v4?

[bright zodiac]

err no

[dark furnace]

fyi belt has slower speed when you offline, but very slightly, which doesn't really impact your normal producton for stock bills. But for edging battery it's concerning because they need the battery to clog in order to delay the deliveries to thermal bank. However with belts the delivery would be a bit off while you offline resulting in you logging back into the game with 0 energy in the base

[bright zodiac]

i use full HC without any dip

[fathom grotto]

i cant read

[fluid fog]

oh so its just time it got Shutdown.

[fathom grotto]

an i aint reading allat

[cunning obsidian]

i was crashed in valley when i logged in today

not a happy boy

[fluid fog]

just use manifold in Thermal than split each lane.

[grim shoal]

can you guys think of anything im doing wrong here? me attempting on left, video for placement on right. nothing is in the way. i've checked several times to be sure. just want to get this going before bed

[viscid plover]

.cantread

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1475997022615113900/cantread.gif?ex=699f84d8&is=699e3358&hm=f283e9f64e009c1dbd4556362116e277bbaaf6f50e83895e5c641e76003299d2&=&width=1080&height=728

[dark furnace]

• you go offline
• belt moves slower
• battery not clogging correctly
• base went 0 energy
• bad

[cunning obsidian]

okay how many reactors do i need to make zircon efficently?

looks like 5?

[nova lodge]

endfield industries lagging behind, need all region base operational.

bad, pls fix :v

[fathom grotto]

oh shit i think its bad

[nova lodge]

you need 5 to produce xircon
nothing less.

[fathom grotto]

ok im a bit confused, does the tax mean some stuffs are lost in every crucible?
does this mean some xiranite liquid produced are lost and some effulgent are lost as well?

[dark furnace]

3 crucibles for 3/m SC

[wispy grove]

Yeah pretty much

[bright zodiac]

u finally getting it

[nova lodge]

if you are ok with half production, but why?

[fathom grotto]

ok yeah that would cause sewage problems
man cant we just dump them all into the ocean

[dark furnace]

just joking but some other people cut 3/m SC for component

[fluid fog]

u know how to fix this? make mk.2 variant on conveyor and a sink hole resource other than exchange bills. this whole mess will fix instantly.

[wispy grove]

Even sewage can get lost That's why looping will just delay your production as well because of the lack of sewage coming out of your xircon crucible

[fathom grotto]

if i dont get a 10 pull after this fix im leaving game fr fr

[nova lodge]

that's definitely one way to go about it

[dark furnace]

fix? Just forget about edging and use the next absolute amount of battery

[wispy grove]

Lucky for you it wont get fixed

[fathom grotto]

💀

fuck im stuck with this shit indie game

[fluid fog]

oh w8 I didnt read the rest. I mean in general kekw.

[dark furnace]

imagine the developers intentionally added this "feature" just so the production chain won't get clogged...

[wispy grove]

Eyow its not shitty were just ocd people doing ocd things

[fathom grotto]

i bet bro read "edging" and he went "haha they be profen all night huh"

[fluid fog]

Wasting hours or days just not even 1 pull of rewards...

[dark furnace]

but turns out it made the cuprium clogged

ngl, no way they didn't test it and said fuck it with the cuprium clog

[nova lodge]

probably didn't test that far....

[wispy grove]

Yeah the cuprium itself doing self clog

[dark furnace]

i tried the intented setup, and cuprium gets clogged in 4 days

[wispy grove]

Even tho theres 0 sewage in the refinery

[fathom grotto]

wtf how

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/fine-this-is-fine-gif-20102174

[wispy grove]

Slower belts

[fathom grotto]

isnt it the sewage build up that causes the cuprium to clog?

[wispy grove]

No no its different issue

[fathom grotto]

the slower belt issue?

[dark furnace]

check the cuprium amount in your refiner

if it's not 0 rn then it would be clogged eventually

[fathom grotto]

full

[dark furnace]

it's already clogged

[fathom grotto]

it technically isnt cuz i just let the culprium fill up the refinery while i set up the pipes n stuffs

[nova lodge]

so we have copium issue and sewage issue at the same time....
much copium indeed.
the whole cuprium is made with cope state in mind.

[fathom grotto]

thats why its full, from what i can see rn its not clogging

[wispy grove]

You produce more than you can release

[dark furnace]

to workaround with the cuprium clog just output the cuprium back to depot first before inputting to making part/bottle

[wispy grove]

More like 1cuprium per 2 secs but your belts can only release like 0.98 cuprium every 2 secs somethin like that

[fathom grotto]

oh then im already doing that

[dark furnace]

then it's caused by belt bug

to solve this fully, just go online 24/7

[wispy grove]

Slowbelts, crucible taxes, sewage overflow, what else?

[nova lodge]

[fathom grotto]

man it feels nice to be that 1% of player base who actually talks in discord and makes the factory on their own and actually acknowledge the bugs present with aic

[nova lodge]

Oroberyl tax next