aic-factory

[nova lodge]

looking much better....but the occasional delayed parts usage felt a bit annoying =..=

[sand pivot]

with some dips at 10/min

but rarely

[leaden drift]

I never get the pipes to work when I combine them

[thin adder]

currently this is my cuprium setup...doestn take much space atm

[fervent lodge]

has to be under 120/m capacity

pumps produce 60
recipes 30

[vast iron]

Pumps just happen to be one of the only 1/s recipe

[leaden drift]

The flow rate of the pipes is always 2

For me

[sand pivot]

holy pipes 😭

[vast iron]

Instead of the usual 2+s

[vast iron]

-99 facilities from bridges

[fervent lodge]

but flow rate is 0.5s per item

[thin adder]

?

i love the pipes actualy

[leaden drift]

But liquid is what im worried about

[vast iron]

Surely you dont need that many belt bridgers...

[leaden drift]

Combining the pipes never worked for me for some reason

[fervent lodge]

do you have a slice of the factory where that is an issue

like a test case basically

[leaden drift]

When I get on I can post

[fervent lodge]

sure, ping me

[vast iron]

Combining fluids worked for me idk

[fervent lodge]

will throw it in my planner to test it

[vast iron]

[leaden drift]

But basically I have two refineries into one input

[gray oar]

i'm not sure it's an unlimited water source man

[leaden drift]

Then out the other side

[subtle finch]

you know crucible can randomly delete items while offline? like 2-3 every 500 items

[vast iron]

Hope they fix it..

[fervent lodge]

it deletes items for an amazing reason

[vast iron]

And the issue is?

[fervent lodge]

i'm still mad it doesn't self-react

[thin adder]

im remodelling currently

[leaden drift]

Flow rate seemed wonky

[fervent lodge]

I've already amassed two of these sheets of test cases

[vast iron]

I think flowrate is for the entire pipe, not isolated but ill check

[vast iron]

This looks scary

[fervent lodge]

pipes behave exactly like normal belts

it's just abstracted

[fervent lodge]

here's a closer look to scare you more

[gray oar]

wait long range water pipes work like Valley 4 power lines?

this is actually so unfortunate

[vast iron]

Well mixing behaves a bit different but outside of that yeah

[vast iron]

Bro wants wireless piping

[fervent lodge]

new update, new 80.1m

[vast iron]

You can abuse TP so its fine trust

[nova lodge]

NEW 10G WIFI FOR WATER!

[vast iron]

Hello i am here to reach you about your shower's extended warranty

[nova lodge]

[fervent lodge]

have you tried rebooting your water router?

[nova lodge]

that did jumpscare me a lot while i am taking my shower

[fervent spoke]

sorry only got dial up water :x

[vast iron]

Next update we get wireless conveyer belts too

trust

[fervent spoke]

gimme conveyer belt that can hold more than one item per tile

[gray oar]

nah we getting item catapults trust

[vast iron]

"Drag the 80m trajectory to configure the catapult"

[gray oar]

base spaghetti bouta go crazy

[vast iron]

If factories ever reach the 3rd dimension we are cooked

" what do you mean your 125/min dense xircon powder is only 25x13x42"

[real crescent]

could be cool to get an area thats 3d, but in return you have way less space

[gray oar]

do yall think moving xiranite + plant loops into the sub pac zone a good idea?

[nova lodge]

please don't....or we are gonna spend 3 days cleaning up our AIC =.=

[gray oar]

wouldn't that just be satisfactory then

[sand pivot]

I see what you did there

[sand pivot]

that's what I did

[gray oar]

i stand before a difficult decision, a good night's sleep or a shiny new wuling base

[fervent lodge]

that literally happened 😭

tell me that ain't goddamn 3d

[vast iron]

True but

What if it could be more

[fervent lodge]

please no.

[vast iron]

Also the pipe altitude gimmick are so weird

[fervent lodge]

i mean i did add support for it. just in case.

[vast iron]

Outside aic

[fervent lodge]

but please no

[gray oar]

if i wanna make some cuprium parts but i don't have any waste processing, can i somehow void it?

[fervent lodge]

yes

[vast iron]

Wym theres the treatment plant?

[fervent lodge]

water treatment plant

it's literally made to eat them

[somber snow]

dump it

[fervent lodge]

pro tip: if you conduit it out you can grab 60/m instead of 30/m the treatment caps at

and treat elsewhere

[gray oar]

oh that's nice

[fervent lodge]

can someone ingame actually test this

can it eat actual xircon

because files say so

[vast iron]

The recipe tab for treatment says it can yes

[fervent lodge]

funky

i still haven't built my base 😭

[somber snow]

yes, it does indeed eat xircon

[fervent lodge]

endmin, are you sure this is absolutely necessary?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1455079438243991572/1483000825293836360/image.png?ex=69bd9ce5&is=69bc4b65&hm=8214634efad0d020a075906cb621ce4baa479ce20ca5ab873512387920e3f922&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[nova lodge]

yes, so please remove the building limit right this instant

[fervent lodge]

i mean for this one i just nudge it back in and the limit is gone!

[nova lodge]

even within the boundary....there is still a max cap of 512, so no ;v

i need my black magic pwm belts :v

[fervent lodge]

i love wasting depots

[gray oar]

don't you need that middle piece for turns like that?

[fervent lodge]

someone went all in on crude sewage futures

and now has to accept the shipment

[fervent lodge]

it's there

[gray oar]

what about the top left

[fervent lodge]

no, the depots just need to be touching

[nova lodge]

you just need 1 core unit and you can misalign all the other connecting lanes

[fervent lodge]

you can do this and nobody can stop you

[nova lodge]

perlica is having headache

[real crescent]

i can, im currently on my way to your location

[fervent lodge]

if John Endfield wasn't evil, we could have had this https://beta.enka.network/endfield/aic/?id=C8n9B8d9n1u1U1&

(don't look at the numbers, they're evil atm)

[gray oar]

damn that's actually really good to know

[somber snow]

how much power are yalls' bases at for wuling

[shell jewel]

too much..

[real crescent]

fucking ikea shelf

[nova lodge]

when you are so tired of dealing with protocol capacity limit within outpost build zone.....

[somber snow]

hmm

idk, seems good to me

just slap 2 wuling SCs

[serene geyser]

like 3.22 but no ziplines no gun towers

[somber snow]

no ziplines?
how do u get around with deliveries and such

[shell jewel]

my batteries are good

[subtle finch]

man, i stopped getting production assist

[real crescent]

3.9k, and i have like 100 ziplines + ginseng farm

[serene geyser]

just don't do deliveries at all, only transfer one per day to others

[somber snow]

im at 3.37k,
ziplines,
farms,
yazhen c,
making both xira and cup. components

i havent changed all of my rigs to hydro yet,
i wanna see how much power i can save up

[fervent lodge]

YES

i'm trying to make reusable blocks

and it's quite cool

but 20 depots is so damn annoying

I would even say... it's quite LACKing

[shell jewel]

Is changing all rigs to hydro worth it? Or only if you can get a group of 3?

It's clearly worth for Ferrium, but for Originium it's a neutral or loss if you can't get at least 3

[somber snow]

i pump takes 10,
1 normal rig takes 5,
ppl kept saying u dont need energy, idk how to do that

[gray oar]

how many water pumps can i put on one pipe line?

[somber snow]

so u need 3 ori deposits for net positive

[thin adder]

do hydro rigs give more minerals?

[somber snow]

no, they just cost less energy, but it depends

[shell jewel]

they don't give more but as Mala said, 1 normal drill takes 5 energy, one pump takes 10, 1 pump can feed 3 hydro rigs

[thin adder]

energy not a problem

for me

so imo not worth it rly (replcing old ones)

[somber snow]

if u have time go for it,
but dont do it otherwise

[leaden drift]

so in theory i should be able to use one outlet to feed 4 buildings?

[vast iron]

Yes, theoretically

Assuming 2 pumps connected

[leaden drift]

maybe i should split it earlier before the planting unti for a more even spread?

this pipe seems to always be struggling

[somber snow]

i dont trust convergers anymore,
i converged 2 sewage pipes then plug em to both crucibles,
with 2/s, it shouldnt clog, but it did

[leaden drift]

i dont trust it with sewage

but with water

it doesnt matter if that clogs

my current zircon set up

[gray oar]

turns out pipe convergers are just as problematic as belt convergers

[somber snow]

oh yes, looks clean

[sand pivot]

I am using pipe convergers without an issue

[leaden drift]

still working on some smaller stuff

[somber snow]

small tip: put an inlet in front of ur pumps,
makes piping a lot less tideous

[sand pivot]

I think most of the clogging issues are not with the pipes but with the crucibles themselves

[gray oar]

2 pumps -> 4 facilities and they weren't getting enought water

[somber snow]

u still have to manually connect them tho

[sand pivot]

their crafting time formulas are really fucky

[gray oar]

works fine when split

[leaden drift]

i have this weird set up

[gray oar]

yeah i'll probably do that after nuking my base

[leaden drift]

originally i was running sewage through both

[somber snow]

hm yes,
it took me 4 hours when i did too

[leaden drift]

but the one on the right sometimes randomly makes effluent

so i had to go around

[sand pivot]

idk tbh for me it's working fine

[gray oar]

When the setup is so ahh but you lowkey don't care cuz it's gonna be gone in a few days

[gray oar]

i was probably misusing splitters ngl

didn't balance then out properly

[leaden drift]

im guessing 3 inputs doesnt work on conduits and pipes

[ocean trout]

Dont give the oranga man ideas

[bright nimbus]

I have similar setup. I split xiranites on left crucibles so SC battery production reduce to 5/min. You should split your right sewage pipe and send 1/3 to water treatment unit

[somber snow]

mine is just this fugly piece

[leaden drift]

im pretty cutting it

this is set up that any overflow goes into a treatment unit

[somber snow]

i dont quite understand why u would treat sewage

[leaden drift]

prevent stoppage

[somber snow]

mine doesnt do that

[leaden drift]

im also not sending perfect xirnaite into the crucibles

[somber snow]

oh, u modulate ur xiranite

nvm that makes more sense

[leaden drift]

1/3 xiranite is taken to protocol stash on the right crucible

[somber snow]

still making xiranite components, eh?

[bright nimbus]

Are you making 10/min sc battery production though? Since you’re running through xiranites on right crucibles, I don’t think it holds enough xiranites to produce xiranite fluid

[leaden drift]

messing around but this is the overrflow

[leaden drift]

yeah

[bright nimbus]

That’s interesting

[somber snow]

i just realised, u're on 4k energy, after looking at ur battery usage

[bright nimbus]

Ohh bc you’re inputting them back in

[somber snow]

damn, thats a lot

[shell jewel]

Huh... noticed i was losing Xiranite seemed super off, went to look at my factory and noticed that I had a few spots clogged on the left side

[shell jewel]

somehow a single tile on the belt got flipped???

[bright nimbus]

Then it shud be the fluid bug that ppl has been talking about

[iron stratus]

i hope they add alternate recipes to evergreen materials in the future like the different processed minerals

[scenic swift]

this is wrong, it has 15+2.5 looping back in = 17.5 17.5/3 is not going to be 5. If you wanted it to stay 5 that 2.5 can't be looping back into that spot

[bright nimbus]

Learned things from your layout tho. Very interesting

[slate plume]

is there like a game issue whenever im off the production drops from 12/ min to like 10 randomly without any reason wtf

[leaden drift]

this only works because of hitting cap on xiranite

[bright nimbus]

Sadly yeah there’s a bug

[leaden drift]

my design is getting more and more compact

im loving it

[warped delta]

tldr is split evenly and avoid messy fractions, double up belt connections where possible and have buffers and it will minimize issues

[icy meteor]

Those who tried both Kyostiv's and Iwintolosegaming's Wuling AIC blueprints, which one is better? Afaik iwtl's has a clogging problem regarding the dense originium blueprint (not sure if it affects anything) and my yazhen syringe A production basically halts at 7.5 k or something.

[warped delta]

More compact, less legible by the day

[bright nimbus]

Interesting I split xiranite belt into three and merge 2 divided belts back to it before split to produce 1/min composition production

[iron stratus]

can a single xiranite line be compressed less than 25 long

[somber snow]

i dont remember the measurements,
but i think this is around 20x20

im just eyeballing it tho

to be fair, my yazhens are going into depot

[lofty chasm]

the tier 1 mining rig can transport the originium back to the aic right
starting fresh in wuling and i kinda forgot

or is 2 needed

[somber snow]

yes, mk1 and mk2s transport ores into depot

[leaden drift]

well mine auto goes to producing comps IF xirnaite is maxed

[lofty chasm]

phew
gonna go lay out the rigs on the originium

[leaden drift]

if its not maxed it turns off

[somber snow]

alr, i need help with my base,
im sure theres a lot i can optimise,
but idk where to start

[leaden drift]

im trying to optimize tooo

its harrdd

[somber snow]

hm yes,
but look at mine first,
and tell me what i can improve

maybe u can use some of my designs too

[leaden drift]

oh making LC bats?

[somber snow]

no, SC

i can see why thats confusing,
becuz it looks like 3 DOPs going into 1 packaging

i need to lower that depot

[leaden drift]

in what way are you trying to optimize?

[somber snow]

everything

less facilities, save space,
just anything i can improve on

if u dont see anything wrong, ill leave it as is

[bright nimbus]

Awesome

[somber snow]

i can probably use less pipes by converging,
but i think someone said there are pipe bugs,
i also dont trust convergers after it clogged my sewage transfer

im modulating my cuprium bottles so it matches with my cuprium parts,
but the 1 in that picture is wrong

i already fixed it by using 1 splitter, 2 into packaging, 1 into depot

for the 20/min cuprium parts into depot,
i use 10/min for storage,
the other half for cuprium components,

[uneven aspen]

the dips 😔

2hour aic report was offline for 4 hours

[somber snow]

damn, the third time noones answered me,
my factory truly is cooked

[bright nimbus]

I would start off sending plant directly to shredders instead of sending them into depot

Then send plant powders into depot if not used

[somber snow]

r u talking about sandleaf

[bright nimbus]

Yes and jincao

[leaden drift]

i think im mostly gooing for looking good

and compact

[somber snow]

thats yazhen,
and i dont shred yazhen for powder, its for carbon

[leaden drift]

not the best at optimization

but I also like some overflow protection

[somber snow]

as for the sandleaf, no layout will fit for the sc batteries dwon below,
ill have to lower my depot, which i will, eventually

[bright nimbus]

Same thing still

[somber snow]

hm yes, symmetry and art,
its also very ez if u wanna replicate the same layout

[bright nimbus]

You’re wasting space and unloader

[somber snow]

yeah, i should come up with a compact design,
thats both symmetrical, and functional

but i havent run outo f facilities, so thats not a problem

i also dont like how my depot buses arent filled with unloaders and loaders

at least i can be at peace with the fact that im using all my resources,
at only 3.37k energy

im also depleting my xiranite, but thatll take more than a month

[bright nimbus]

I usually place planters and seed picking units underneath each production line that need plants. Might work for you too

[atomic prairie]

I just realized how unnecessary the Qingbo Stockade sub pac is at the moment.

[somber snow]

but that doesnt fill my depot buses with unloaders and loaders

[bright nimbus]

Yeah I run it through protocol stash for leftovers but might not for you since you prioritize power usage too

[somber snow]

oh, u use proto stashes

[bright nimbus]

Si

I think I have 10 stashes in Wuling city and outpost

50 power of luxury lmao

[somber snow]

i like to avoid using proto stashes,
my v4 doesnt have any,
and my wuling has 1, cuz i gave up trying to find space for loaders

[shell jewel]

Originium ore carrying me in valley 4

[bright nimbus]

Then my method might not be it

[somber snow]

dear god, that power

oh yeah, u're probably using turrets

[shell jewel]

I could probably cut down my power a lot..

[somber snow]

300 at least

[leaden drift]

my original design

[somber snow]

im at 5.4k, and im still wasting energy

[leaden drift]

wd

current design

[somber snow]

is this how nefarith blew up v4

[shell jewel]

I still don't clear valley 4 either

[leaden drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peQ6IftgWkg

[hidden temple]

couldn't find room for 1 more inert eff treatment so I just stuffed em in a conduit

[scenic swift]

only potential hazard I see is what are doing with all the waste going out? I don't see any treatment plants so you clearly not disposing of it properly you better not be illegal dumping it

[pulsar sail]

arrrg that was painful, I remade all my xiranite production by replacing the dual plants->carbon by a single jincao->carbon, I gained around 300W

[crude pivot]

Hydro drills don't give more than normal ones, right?

[pulsar sail]

erm didn't try, but can you even put an hydro drill on ferrium/originum

[zealous night]

They should all give the same amount

Only difference is the energy usage

[crude pivot]

I assumed so, the DB says 3 for all of them, but I've seen some BPs saying to replace old drills with hydro for some reason

[shell jewel]

Swapping from normal drills to Hydro drills is only worth it for swapping the Ferrium to Hydro (40 energy saved across all 6 drills) and when you can swap 3 normal drills on originium to save 5 power per set of 3 drills.

[crude pivot]

So it is just to save energy consumption?

[shell jewel]

yeah

[lone pebble]

server working ? :

[obtuse raven]

Did the servers die?

[fervent spoke]

rip server i guess

[pulsar sail]

no issue here

[lone pebble]

:)) so yes

[crude pivot]

Gotcha. No need then, at least not right now. I've yet to build up to the top tier stuff aside from Yahzen syringe A

[shell jewel]

working for me

[obtuse raven]

I am still not done with my dailies

[crude pivot]

Working fine for me as well

[obtuse raven]

In which servers are you guys playing?

[shell jewel]

NA

[crude pivot]

^

[obtuse raven]

Umm, maybe only EU was affected

[lone pebble]

EU - not working

[crude pivot]

Maybe a local outage, like AWS server going down or something, assuming they use AWS

[pulsar sail]

eu here still in game, probably one node down, not all

[lone pebble]

change map and well se 😛

oo well 😄 there and bk again :))

[shell jewel]

it's not a huge save at that either aside from the ferrium, most of the originium has sets of 5 or 2, 5 power per drill vs 10 on the pump that can power 3 drills. you walk away with either net neutrals or saving 5 power.

[obtuse raven]

Hope it recovers soon

[shell jewel]

the ferrium one is super simple and no reason not to do it either since it's right next to the core aic area

[obtuse raven]

Ok, I think it is back, what a weird outage

[crude pivot]

Server Hiccup 😛

[obtuse raven]

Server could not handle all our factories XD

[crude pivot]

Kinda surprised it does handle them as well as it does. Pretty good job with optimization imo

[ancient pier]

U don't even need conduit to get water up there

[obtuse raven]

Yeah, I want to see how did they manage that. It has to be hella optimized and given special methods to factorize how much does our factory produce while we are offline, otherwise it will overload the servers on the long run

[shell jewel]

I already had them all neat in a row and two of them weren't being used so just dragged the condiut over instead of placing more pumps

[subtle finch]

hydro mining is a mistake, they look ugly in person and on the map

[iron spoke]

whats the benefit if the pumps still need power anyways?

[shell jewel]

they need slightly less power

[ancient pier]

less power

[shell jewel]

[iron spoke]

how much less? lol

[shell jewel]

on the 6 ferrium, you save 40 power, on any set of 3 origninium you save 5 power.

[subtle finch]

i think someone calculated converting all ferrium&originium is around 80

[ancient pier]

with hydro rig u only need 5 pwr for 3 node

[iron spoke]

how many nodes can 1 pump support?

[solid python]

Plus you can save pylons if you're creative

[ancient pier]

3 high purity or 6 low purity

[shell jewel]

no point in doing all of them, as a lot of the clusters only have 5 or 2, if you can't get at least 3 then it's a net neutral, if you can only get 1 then it's a loss.

[pulsar sail]

6

[subtle finch]

that's negated by the pump and pipes

[solid python]

200m conduit

For example, I used to need 4 pylons/towers to reach this mine. Now I use 1 tower and 2 conduits.

[pulsar sail]

and pipe don't count as "facilities", pylon do

[solid python]

This one used to need 3 pylons/towers, but now I can use a tower I was using for ziplines and removed all the other ones.

[cursive oasis]

Bigger problem is that they consume Protocol Capacity. 4 per setup (2 for Pump, 1 per Inlet-Outlet)

Though if you do use water miners they slash Electricity down drastically.

It's only worth using water miner setup if you're starved for Electricity since no amount of wiggling around gonna beat Protocol Capacity spendage of just two Pylons for normal miners.

I tried making it work

[pulsar sail]

you if the distance is not far, using a fluid tank (2 protocl capa) can also optimize a bit more

[solid python]

Or a splitter

[cursive oasis]

Aight, nvm, I'm dumb, this is Cuprium mining.

[pulsar sail]

you can use it also for originium and ferrium

[cursive oasis]

Yeah, but that's what my tirade above was about.

With T2 batteries in play you don't need to save on Electricity and Protocol Space is more valuable.

[solid python]

4 conduits for Cuprium instead of 4 pylons with 2 conduits.

[cursive oasis]

There's so little to do in the Stockade I didn't really bother with conserving space or energy or anything.

Tried to put a Zipline on top of giant waterwheel, but couldn't reach it from below, that was my one failed challenge.

Did make a zipline towards solitary Redjade Ginseng I found in the middle of nowhere for the lulz.

[hidden tree]

Would it work if i connect 2x of the refinerys each to a Treatment unit to get the excess of Sewage out of the Way?
Was an entire Day off and got back online and checked after i build / rebuild my 2x SC Wuling Battery lines yesterday and have now almost to much Sewage because the Reactor Crucibles just cant use up the Sewage fast enough 🤔

[upper fiber]

no more sewage issue right, mine is okay now

[cursive oasis]

How do you guys run into Sewage issues? My issue is that I don't have enough Cuprium Ore and produce too much Xircon.

All I want is actual Cuprium that is stuck in the middle of the processing.

[naive wadi]

What does this mean? I am at rdm lvl 4 in wuling do i need to be at 9??

[upper fiber]

this should solve the issue

extra half belt for output

[cursive oasis]

You need upgrade for 4 Forges of the Sky.

[lapis crane]

2h data looking fine

[naive wadi]

What?

[upper fiber]

where xircon and bat data

[naive wadi]

Oh nvm got it

[pulsar sail]

you need to find the thing in Quingbo that give you Wulling AIC index to unlock 4 forges

[lapis crane]

same 12batt /6syringe one
(offline)

[hidden tree]

Cuprium Ore is enough you can get for 4x Refinerys without a issue
And Xircon shouldnt be a issue since you only need 1x Reactor to produce it for each of the 2x SC Wuling Battery lines 🤔

[upper fiber]

mine also 12/min but not smooth

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

[lapis crane]

same bro

[wispy grove]

[cursive oasis]

My setup is (putting it generously) overloaded in size because of how I set things up. Lemme snap a shot real quick.

[idle crater]

Are there only two new ore mining spots in Qingbo Stockade?
I got one spot with 6 Cuprium and one with 2 cuprium

[wispy grove]

yes

[upper fiber]

i think daily reset caused that shet happen

the dipdown

[pulsar sail]

you should only be able to produce 6 syringe A, and 1 C (or 1 drink) to get a stable 12 battery, otherwise you use too much ferrium, which could impact battery, try to limit the input on the drink/syringe C so you use only 30 ferrium

[lapis crane]

I use ferrium from meta storage

[idle crater]

Do we have surplus Originum in Wuling?

I use 1 Wuling Battery and like 6 RAW Originium Thermal banks. And I don't notice the Originium going down

[lapis crane]

no
2 line of sc batt

only surplus is ferrium

[pulsar sail]

regional transfer is 1500/h = 25/min, that is not enough to sustain 1 syringe C/Drink

[idle crater]

SC valley batt or SC Wuling bat?

[lapis crane]

me when using modified jas’ one for symmetrical design

[lapis crane]

sc wuling

[cursive oasis]

I just have one PackUnit spit out 4 batteries at good enough rate where it sustains two Banks and two Protocol Stashes. I don't think I'll have enough Originium to get a second PackUnit running.

Xircon issue is lowkey hilarious. It moves around, but one of the Protocol Stashes is full and blocks whole line. And my only solution for this issue at hand is to use daily deliveries packed to the brim with Xircon to free Storage space a bit daily.

Well that, or make a second PackUnit and rebalance the rate.

[lapis crane]

my problem is surplus of xiranite and sewage when switching to production of components
now fixed but everyone issues with fluctuations of offline production is eh… idk

[spring stream]

Quick question pls should i unlock all places before start working on my facrory ??

[cursive oasis]

Actually I probably can rebalance the rate by adding two Grinders to eat Sandleaf lines that currently do nothing, sending them to new PackUnit and then have existing third and fourth grinders split their produce between the two.

[spring stream]

Like finish the chapter first ??

[cursive oasis]

Preferably, you'll have to rip everything out to upgrade otherwise later.

You can set up simple production to stockpile necessities though.

Like parts.

[lapis crane]

yeah parts

[spring stream]

I don't know bro still sucks on this factory system

[cursive oasis]

It's so much simpler than Factorio. Not sure if it's a compliment or not.

[lapis crane]

when everything is 2 sec

[cursive oasis]

When you realize you don't actually use half of stuff you can produce for anything, at least right now, Factory size shrinks immensly.

Cryston Bottles. What are they even for if we skipped straight to Cuprium Bottles now.

[lapis crane]

tbh we got no amethyst in wuling

[cursive oasis]

Well, yeah, unless you count Regional Transfer. Frankly, I am baffled that we cannot use Water facilities at all in V4. It would even give us uses for de-bottling building.

Pack water at Hub\Plateau, de-bottle it at Science Park, pipe it to Sprinklers at farm, have fun.

No. No water fun at prior locations.

[hidden tree]

Hopefully we get La Fantoma in 2.X and since its mentioned to be resembling Siesta from Terra and is a coastal city.. maybe we can use the Water stuff there as well ^^
Though yeah im also still wondering what the use for the Separating Unit is 🤔

[outer basin]

I think people are saying the next region will be desert because there's a bunch of desert assets already made.

[cursive oasis]

Very likely to be as I described it. We'd get a region without water and will have to ferry it there via Storage.

[naive wadi]

Finally after 2 days of nonstop grinding leveling up my rdm on valley to level 12 and getting enough pulls for tang tang i finally can build xiranite component for better kits ( tho my kit is already fine for now but eh )

[hidden tree]

Im just speculating because La Fantoma was so often already mentioned, both by Operators, in Events and other Dialogs.. ^^

[cursive oasis]

Actually a lot of locations were mentioned. La Fantoma seems to be sort-of tourist destination, hence it comes up more often.

[iron spoke]

I still think they are just for those of us that don't like playing the pipe game. So we can supply sewage and xirafluid with seperator facilities instead

[hidden tree]

Yep but it does raise Questions when one of the many places in Talos II gets mentioned more often than others while the others barely get mentioned so far 😅

[cursive oasis]

Desert would make sense since there is a Desert Landbreaker Clan that was mentioned early on and also Hannabit Circuit is somewhere in the area too.

[hidden tree]

At least they mentioned in the livestream that in 1.2 we get a new Fluid among other things.. considering that it looked like a Red Fluid, maybe it gets combined with the Cuprium Powder that also has no use at the Moment 🤔

[outer basin]

the blood of our enemies

[cursive oasis]

Would make sense since we can Grind Cuprium into Powder but it does nothing atm.

[hidden tree]

From the livestream btw before someone asks ^^

[cursive oasis]

Would be cool if we could pipe lava in future volcanic locations or something. Play around with heat mechanics that would then come up in inverse fashion in cold regions.

[hoary crag]

I check my reports daily, saw this and started to panic

then I found out why... I forgot to turn the second sandleaf planter on when putting down the LC battery line

the aic is fun

[hidden tree]

And then we have more No Sanity Players who would again fill up every Hole with Lava they can find or even try to put Lava into Bottles 😂

[hoary crag]

reactor with 8 slots, totally a fan

[hidden tree]

now that you mention it, that does look like a upgraded Version.. damn i didnt realise that before

[cursive oasis]

Hell yeah, making Xircon in one Mixer.

[hoary crag]

the partially visible one on the very right also looks new

couldn't think of an existing fluid facility that looks like that

[hidden tree]

current Reactor indeed has one straight "pipe" instead of the separated one seen in the livestream in the middle

[hoary crag]

imagine if the new reactor also sends more items into the void when offline

😭

like the current reactor does

[hidden tree]

yep there is a entirely new building connected to the Reactor

[lusty violet]

also looks like more input/output ports too?

[hoary crag]

imagine HC valley battery lines

[hidden tree]

yeah it has 4x inputs or outputs on the side we can see for Belts

then it might really be something like a 2nd Gen Reactor Crucible 🤔

[outer basin]

Probably a Mixer that combines Cuprium Powder and Water to make the red liquid

[shrewd knoll]

you will simply replace your crucibles with that new 5x5 building and it will still be annoying and massive

[hidden tree]

thank god that 1.1 is only 5 weeks long, now i cant wait for this new Stuff 🤣

[cursive oasis]

Considering it manages up to 8 liquids, likely 4 in 4 out, it needs 8 pipe ports.

[shrewd knoll]

it looks like it has no item input/output so you can just place it outside

[cursive oasis]

It also has 4 belt ins and 4 belt outs.

[unreal geode]

am i stupid for this monstrosity or was there a easier way (wanted to route the sewage from syring to the xiranite rock thing)

[hidden tree]

Still only 2x entrance connections for Pipes in and 2x for out but 4x in and out ports at the Bottom for the Belts 🤔

[shrewd knoll]

you can kinda share one of the xiranite liquid with the yazhen liquid and save some space

if you are building these next to each other

[unreal geode]

wym?

[shrewd knoll]

xiranite liquid has 2 available slots

dump the powder in there

[pulsar sail]

I worked a bit on my syringe C blue print, managed to fit it in 16x16, for those who want to optimize the 30 ferrium you get unused if you only produce 12 batteries and 6 syringe A in wuling
Code: EFO01iOe5oA43E2872U4 (eu), if anyone want

[cursive oasis]

I don't really know your layouts, but you can also move some of the stuff elsewhere if space permits and route liquids via Inlet-Outlet.

[unreal geode]

im on purpose only working with the first level upgrades and depot, currently not using outpost for anything

temporary battery making until i make the new ones

which i have the rock shit done

[cursive oasis]

I moved my entire Xiranite production line to the Sub-Pac which left a lot of space for wiggle room on main PAC.

[cursive oasis]

It likely has 4 more ports on the side we do not see. 2 right, 2 left, 4 back since front is clear.

[queen bloom]

Is it possible to empty out the stocks on wuling? I feel like I don't have enough battery and yazhen to do that

[cursive oasis]

You can sell Xiranite and Parts.

[wispy grove]

i cant even empty out stocks in v4

[cursive oasis]

And Tier 1 Jincao.

[wispy grove]

oh nvm

its a different issue

[wispy grove]

2 SC battery factory can clear stocks in wuling

[pulsar sail]

if you didn't make the 2 battery line earlier, it will take a bit of time, the outpost will have generated a lot of wealth, but it goes down

[scenic swift]

no even if you get every stockbill and do every depot task you cant buy everything in the shop

[lusty violet]

i think they were referring to the outpost stock bill generation, not stock redistribution

[lapis crane]

want to buy everything

look inside
food you wouldn’t use

[severe grove]

Does anyone have any recommendations for a compact Xiranite blueprint?

[pulsar sail]

I didn't manage to make a compact one

[lapis crane]

mine also isnt compact
just symmetrical

[severe grove]

Rate mine lol

[pulsar sail]

The best I could manage is 42x56

[final escarp]

No sewage left looks like it might be a simplification error

Anyway hope the devs fix this
We can conclude however that sewage clogging is not because of crucible bug

[pulsar sail]

you still using old plant from v4 !

[lapis crane]

bro live in 1.0

he asked for compact xiranite

then he sent conveyor abomination

[scenic swift]

logically most plants dont grow without water but v4 plants can survive on hope and sunlight

[lapis crane]

and then plant that basically sandpaper

[cursive oasis]

Well, it is compact if you spread it out.
#1476618918125764770 message

Final part is very compact.

[pulsar sail]

My not really compact half, same thing above symetrical... plus a 3rd sandleef I don't know where to put

[final escarp]

Oops just realised there's 2 sewage in the crucible

[lapis crane]

lmao rip
u forgot inert

[final escarp]

Ok so I guess that explains all the sewage clogging

[cursive oasis]

I use off-storage Planter for Sandleaf and then pull Sandleaf straight from the Bus.

[final escarp]

Whaddya mean i forgot inert?

[lapis crane]

different waste water
one can use
other need to dump

[severe grove]

My brain is inert trying to manage my factories.

[lapis crane]

same

[final escarp]

Uhh don't think u understand it was a test for the crucible bug

[pulsar sail]

was planning to do that, but I don't have the bus on that right sid, so a long belt it is

[lapis crane]

500 sewage thing?
what the result tho

[severe grove]

To be honest I've never played any other game that's dedicated to factory management like Satisfactory and Factorio are. But somehow I'm enjoying this aspect of the game.

[lapis crane]

ngl 1 missing offline production bugging me

[cursive oasis]

It's a very casual Factorio.

[lapis crane]

where is it

[pulsar sail]

satisfactory is dangerous, if you value your time

[final escarp]

Basically 500 xiranite + 500 water >> + 500 sewage >> 496 inert + 496 xircon effluent + 2 sewage

[lapis crane]

and very simplified with everything 2s

[severe grove]

Oh lord.

[final escarp]

So the mysterious sewage buildup that everyone is complaining about is from this crucible bug

[severe grove]

[lapis crane]

hmm interesting

is also same 500 xiranite water input?

[final escarp]

Yes bruh it's mentioned in my original message 500 water

[pulsar sail]

ha you got the result, so it destroyed some output, and the last 2 sewage were not used, indeed that will clog

and with my test with more than 500, where 6-7(sorry) item were destroyed by 1 crucible, that's really a nice bug

[wispy grove]

if thats the case

[leaden drift]

thoughts?

[scenic swift]

and now send your test results to bug report but I dont think devs actually read discord

[leaden drift]

SC Wu bat

[nova lodge]

as close as i can to perfection :3

[wispy grove]

it means for every crucible that the product enters, it loses 2 for every 500 product it enters

cause water and xiranite goes through 2 crucibles while sewage is just 1

thats why it loses 4 drops while sewage only lost 2

does that mean if we let sewage pass through the 1st crucible, then theyll have the same reduction?

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-think-thinking-hmm-gif-11570469479394618754

[final escarp]

As far as I know pass through isn't affected only inputs used in reactions

[wispy grove]

sad

[final escarp]

But I only tested with jincao powder and not a liquid like sewage

It is worth a test i suppose

[sand pivot]

bluetooth sewage

[scenic swift]

leaky pipes

[wispy grove]

theres a problem, theres a chance the liquid xiranite and sewage will combine inside the crucible

[edgy osprey]

this is kyostinv guide what do i do w these crucibles

[wispy grove]

having issues?

his bp is faulty?

no sewage coming out

where does it connected??

[pulsar sail]

check if your are at max storage for cuprium

[edgy osprey]

Idk

[pulsar sail]

that would explain why no sewage is incoming

[wispy grove]

wdymm

[edgy osprey]

idk where 2 connect

[pulsar sail]

ohhh

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-aughhh-gif-24532719

[wispy grove]

where are your cuprium

refineries

[pulsar sail]

you need to put an inlet at the exit of your cuprium refiner (2 refine, 1 inlet)

[wispy grove]

show us

[pulsar sail]

and link the inlet to the sleeping outlets

[wispy grove]

its linked

[quick axle]

wait are u following the video?

[wispy grove]

bro ur refineries have no water

[quick axle]

he has a whole ass video for it

[edgy osprey]

i stopped watching at wuling extra bc i thought that was it

[wispy grove]

everything is interconnected now

one factory affects every product

where does this water come from

show us

[nova lodge]

the pain

[wispy grove]

oh its working now

let it flow until it reaches your crucibles

[quartz otter]

Anyone able to sell until 0 left wuling stock?

[wispy grove]

yes

[edgy osprey]

are there meant to be zzz

[quartz otter]

How bro,, resource is limited

[wispy grove]

make 2 SC battery factory

to do that you need region lvl 8

[quartz otter]

Ok will see later,, tq @wispy grove

[pulsar sail]

ideally on the crucible chain that produce xircon, you should not have any ZZZ (except on ferrium), or red icons

[edgy osprey]

question whats the outputs of each crucible so i can double check

[nova lodge]

target.

that's just me reducing it by around 5 for automated component productions.

[quasi locust]

my jamming sensor is working now parts jam -> cuts bottle input -> stop tapping sewage out -> xircon production resume to 60/min

the fluctuations in bottled sewage is due to me removing parts from depot

the xianite and xircon immediately response when the sewage bottle start/stop tapping out sewage

[wispy grove]

1st and 2nd crucible makes liquid xiranite(water +xiranite). 3rd and 4th crucible make xircon effluent(liquid xiranite +sewage) and inert xircon effluent(inert goes to treatmentplant), 5th crucible makes xircon(xircon effluent +ferrium dust) for your SC battery, and sewage

[quick axle]

wait do we need cryston bottles for anything?

[nova lodge]

nope.

[wispy grove]

none

[quick axle]

bro just making them for the love of the game

[quasi locust]

yeah i mean no. i am using them as a buffer, they aren't used in any useful process that we know

[jolly shore]

probably in next region where we get access to gas production and end up storing farts in jars or something. keep a stockpile just in case

[quick axle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jane-doe-scared

[outer basin]

first gamer girl bathwater, next gamer girl farts

[pulsar sail]

well, time to go to sleep and see the carnage and clogging tomorrow

I hope that this looping monstrosity will manage to prevent clogging...

[small creek]

can probably cut this by a column

[subtle finch]

I wrote like an essay how backfeeding solves offline clogging lol

[wispy grove]

suprise, it will still clog

[pulsar sail]

why? thats my 2 xircon lines (there 4 other crucible bellow)

[wispy grove]

the overflowing comes from the refinery sewage, not from the xircon

[subtle finch]

column is vertical

[small creek]

smaller footprint, lesser facilities used

i see pipe bridges that can be removed 🤷

[wispy grove]

what the? bro you just split the sewage into 0.25/sec

you are cooked brotha

[subtle finch]

https://youtu.be/YD9hMxogphI

[quasi locust]

Hmm so if you limit the xiranite input rate, it’s necessary to use priority flow design for sewage, or buffer the sewage?

[frail trail]

it's getting additional sewage from the xircon maker, so it should be >0.25

[wispy grove]

oh okay nvm

[small creek]

throttled xiranite = less sewage use = need to split the excess to water treatment

[wispy grove]

its 1.25sewage/sec

[small creek]

priority flow will decide whether its excess or not

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

yeah your sewage line is good

[small creek]

splitter is the closest thing to logic gate
is crucible clogged?
yes = split to other crucible/water treatment
no = split normally

[nova lodge]

back to automated bomb productions in wulling

[jolly shore]

sewage getting weird while offline should be considered a bug, think they'll fix it?

[quasi locust]

I have switched to control the sewage rate instead but damn we need to buffer for a bugged crucible

[wispy grove]

on the other hand pipes tho

[loud river]

Oh so it's a thing then? Because I've been getting dips wondering if my setup was wrong

Was about to ask

[subtle finch]

this is the PSA to backfeed your crucible sewage to fix offline crucible bug. that basically also deletes extra sewage

[dark furnace]

@quasi locust @marble yarrow @wispy grove Update for 12 crucibles setup with every input clogged, 6 hours offline, my xiranite amount decreased by 1000 in depot.

[small creek]

no i will not read ts

oh i lost the gif for this joke

[loud river]

Do you have a picture of what it's supposed to look like in the factory I don't wanna read ts either

[wispy grove]

so it does stabilize but it cost alot of xiranite

[subtle finch]

there's a vid above. the tl;dr literally says just backfeed crucible sewage, that solves offline clogging.

[wispy grove]

bro its not worth the xiranite bro

[iron stratus]

does removing protocol stashes and depot loaders from my factory help desync issues when offline or will it still be the same

[dark furnace]

i guess my xiranite production isn't maxed because I don't have all the machines multi-belted

[dark furnace]

in average it's the same, it just looks fluctuate a lot in 10mins graph because of the stash cycle

oh you mentioned also depot loaders

i don't have desycn issue with depot loaders, just protocol stash

[jolly shore]

what does that mean? I plug my sewage and inerts to cleaners so I don't have to deal with it since we have enough copium sewage to give the crucibles their needed sewage anyway

[subtle finch]

every hour approximately 25xircon/sewage is deleted offline, from crucibles.
If all your sewage is coming from refinement unit. you're building up 25 sewage per hour

[iron stratus]

i guess it just helps with decreasing space then

[subtle finch]

there's a bug that if you log off, crucible randomly delets item

[halcyon galleon]

rate my spaghetti pls

[subtle finch]

like 3 in 500 cycles

[jolly shore]

think they'll fix it?

[wispy grove]

so my forbidden priority flow does work. not totally but reduce the sewage build up to only 10 sewage in 6 hrs

[subtle finch]

probably reported already in cn, its kinda a big deal

[nova lodge]

like it or not, with the new pipping system included, there's gonna be quite a bit of spaghetti ;v

[jolly shore]

alright, I likely won't worry about gaming the bug for now

[halcyon galleon]

what's this abot clogging? I jsut built mine last night so not up to datewith the factory meta yet

[shrewd knoll]

still zero sewage in the system, it gets used up pretty much immediately

[dark furnace]

if you still have buildup, adding one more spliter should solve it

[nova lodge]

the meta is balancing sewage productions along with copium :3

[shrewd knoll]

with no janky splitters into unneeded treatment plants

[wispy grove]

nahhh, it will only disrupt the balance of the calculations

[nova lodge]

i just add another water treatment plant at the end of the pipes to clear off excess sewage if production usage for curprium slows down.

[dark furnace]

• cuprium is pumping 1:1 sewage into crucible
• crucible is not making stuffs 100% (due to bug)
• crucible is not consuming the sewage 1:1
• left over sewage clogs up crucible, then clogs up cuprium refiner
• cuprium production clogs up

[wispy grove]

splitter wont fix reducing 1.6 sewage every hour

its every hour

this is good enough i think unless i could come up a better sewage priority.

[halcyon galleon]

I see, that's why it's 119/min?

[shrewd knoll]

it rounds down

[dark furnace]

if this is 2H graph the dent is most likely caused by offline server bug, it has nothing to do with your setups

[wispy grove]

the desync happens on every factory plant at the same time, what if we determine how long between each desync happens?

so that we know how much loss we get?

[halcyon galleon]

there's a software bug in my AIC

[dark furnace]

time to test with isolated protocol stash setups

[small creek]

what do we think abt this xiranite master control

[iron stratus]

when will they let us make computers powered by our batteries

[dark furnace]

store 10000 cuprium ore in stash, then process it to 10000 cuprium

and see how much we lost

[subtle finch]

#aic-factory message
this is the proof that around 3 every 500 items is being deleted PER crucible while offline

[jolly shore]

watching those weird fluctuations is quite ugly. at least I don't go under 11/m

[halcyon galleon]

your use of water outlet is slick, I should've thought of that

[halcyon galleon]

compared to mine is lol

[final escarp]

This doesn't happen I tested alr

[dark furnace]

yea... I setup 5x liquid xiranite cruicible to pump 1.25/s xiron eff into 2x xircon crucible, guess what, I got less xiranite in depot after 6 hours despite the usage is capped by the 2 xircon crucible

so liquid are lost in the xircon production, which is compensated by spending more xiranite

[ornate vortex]

anyone know when the D.I.G.E will be updated for sc wuling batteries?

[subtle finch]

luckily, that also deletes the sewage from last crucible, that's why everyone should be using that instead of throwing it away

[halcyon galleon]

it's there already right?

I used it last night

[ornate vortex]

oh theres no icon im BLIND

the text is here whoops LOL

[small creek]

in theory it should be able to do
0/0/30 (0comp)
30/0/0 or 0/30/0 (3comp)
10/10/10 (2comp, 1 each)
20/0/10 or 0/20/10 (2comp) havent added this yet
15/0/15 or 0/15/15 (1.5comp)
7.5/7.5/15 (1.5comp, 0.75 each)

[dark furnace]

I feed the xircon sewage back to cuprium production, then loop through a priority flow before going to xircon eff crucible

double insurance

[halcyon galleon]

Question, is there a need to backfeed sewage? we have 4 lines of xiranite max and also 4 lines of cuprium, so it's fine not to backfeed right?

[dark furnace]

this make sure the cuprium is always 0, and xircon eff crucible is always capped

[subtle finch]

no harm with prio flow, but if people just backfeed, they can eliminate their extra treatment unit, that's huge power savings

[halcyon galleon]

or is it about making blueprint more slick

[iron stratus]

what's the absolute max wuling bills we can get per hour with current mats

[dark furnace]

I am using 2 SC already

[loud river]

Is this only with sewage or with all liquids?

[iron stratus]

is it just 12/6/6 sc/A/C

[nova lodge]

i am certain you can't get 6 c

[quasi locust]

@subtle finch if you backfeed the sewage from crucible that is taxed 3 every 500 output, that 3 less sewage to the next crucible would translate to 3 less xiranite/xiranite liquid consumed, is my understanding correct?

[nova lodge]

maybe 2.5c at best.

[subtle finch]

all crucible input/output is affected

[earnest steeple]

2.75C with Fe meta

[nova lodge]

☝️

[subtle finch]

yes

[halcyon galleon]

oh I see

[nova lodge]

backfeed also makes a clean setup too :3

[quasi locust]

I guess it’s fine if i tap xiranite from depot, but if i feed xiranite directly from forge, the forge might clog

[iron stratus]

conduits use power right

dumb question

[dark furnace]

yea this is why I loop back to cuprium then handle with priority flow to make sure I clogged the xircon eff production. But if you input sewage from 2 cuprium + 2 xircon feedback, you will definitely get less than 2/s sewage, which prevent clogging

[halcyon galleon]

so basically backfeeding saves power on a treatment unit, plus cleaner setup, but there's a bug that causes backfeed to lose 3 sewage per 500 Xircon so we lose 3 xiranite comsumed per 500 xircon, is this summary right?

[subtle finch]

i purposely flood my forge with liquid xiranite first, it's not a big deal to have surplus i think. you can probably use the wasted potential for component, but that's only realized offline

[shrewd knoll]

it ultimately saves you nothing, you still are refining 4 cuprium and treating 2 of them

[nova lodge]

pretty sure conduit doesn't.
the pump itself do though.

[quasi locust]

You would need to put a treatment unit elsewhere tho, so not really

[dark furnace]

simply put, xircon crucible is producing less than 0.5/s sewage. If you connect the sewage to treatment directly, you would notice the treatment is put on sleep occationally, which should not happen if you are producing a constant 0.5/s sewage

but i guess you guys here already knew that

[halcyon galleon]

oh so you basically answered my question xD

[crimson inlet]

I just made my cuprerium-sewage production connected to a manually flushing water treatment unit:

• Everyday or when logging in; reset the control port that it set at 450 units of sewage.

[subtle finch]

yes. cleaner setup is arguable since i still struggle to convince people that they should backfeed

[shrewd knoll]

back feeding simply makes the flow more predictable and to isolate each line of sewage so there is no chance to back up

[crimson inlet]

what's backfeeding?

[shrewd knoll]

combining your sewage is asking for problem once something goes wrong with one of them

[quasi locust]

Have to pass the xiranite from forge to depot to prevent build up in forge, and can’t do an integrated design for it without risk of clogging

[subtle finch]

also it's 2-3 items every 500 item every forge! and you have 10, that's a big deal. i lost my 900 xircon in depot in just 11h. that's also like 900 sewage gain if you don't backfeed

[dark furnace]

in normal setup people would use 4x cuprium production to feed the xircon eff crucible, but that creates clogging because cuprium are producing more sewage than the crucibles can consume thanks to some weird bug. So here we raised out to backfeed the sewage produced by xircon. As xircon is down the line in the production chain, with the crucible bug you would be producing less sewage than the xircon eff crucible can consume, therefore no more clogging

[small creek]

@marble yarrow hey bro, im making a xiranite master control rn

what toggles should i make

[crimson inlet]

backfeeding is feeding the sewage from the battery production back to xircon production?

[small creek]

is 3/1.5/0.75/0 fine

or should i do 2 and 1 too

[subtle finch]

from xircon crucible back to xircon effluent maker. stage 3 to stage 2

[crimson inlet]

ahh..

[dark furnace]

after backfeeding from xircon, you treat the sewage from 2 cuprium production instead of feeding them into the system.

[halcyon galleon]

ohhh so backfeeding is to stop cuprium production from clogging Isee

[dark furnace]

yea

despite you probably would see jiggling xircon and battery production

but at least that solves the biggest issue for 1.1

clogged cuprium refinement sewage is no joke, it doom loop you to produce less of everything else

[marble yarrow]

yeah good to start with this

[small creek]

alr

[halcyon galleon]

man I stayed up until 2am to setup my factory yesterdya, I gonna postpone to another day to do the backfeeding

[quasi locust]

hmm backfeeding sewage is very space efficient for the pipe, i think i will control sewage through that pipe instead since it's already lossy and accumulate xiranite that way

i need to reroute my reactor to feed 60/min liquid xiranite to the 60/min sewage side tho

[dark furnace]

I scrapped my symmetrical build just to test 5x5x2 crucible setup yesterday

but because it's for numbers so I built it very ugly

[small creek]

this is what 3/1.5/0 looks like rn

0.75 making my head hurt cus i need to converge the excess back to SCW

i think it will make it too complicated

and then ppl who wanna use the design will just get confused

[nova lodge]

it WILL get complicated regardless ;v.

especially if you want to achieve automation for component productions at the same time.

[small creek]

no im just talking about the actual xiranite master control

everything else has gotten complicated yes, but its stuff the ppl dont have to adjust

[foggy elk]

is production for xiranite at 120 consistently all the time for y'all? For some reason it fluctuates below for me... Not sure if it's desync, but I checked all the facilities and it's all running fine...

[small creek]

like yesterday i just made priority flow SCW

[halcyon galleon]

hi are you in asia? can you blueprint this to me please

[small creek]

ppl dont have to adjust this tho, it will just work forever

[shrewd knoll]

im in US/EU

[marble yarrow]

[small creek]

afk alluvium time

[marble yarrow]

back to the incinerator

[halcyon galleon]

wow I used up everything when I got Tang Tang to also build up last rite, you didin't pull for her so you have so much left?

[shrewd knoll]

it's not very complex, you can probably do it by hand, but the crucible outputs and stuff has to be done manually and you might have to concentrate on which color is which pipe

[halcyon galleon]

yeah it's just I spent hours last night until 2am setting this up without reference and jsut woke up, and going back to factory-ing again is 💀

[marble yarrow]

i did pull but i only chase the free pulls on the 30th i think, i got lifeng+ember instead

[nova lodge]

or just make a square setup for crucible with backfeed included for xircon production in a corner :3

[quasi locust]

thanks for the reminder. i got too engrossed in aic thati barely spent sanity this week

[lilac phoenix]

[subtle finch]

that's actually nicely looking since its identical even though its not symmetric

[lilac phoenix]

im trying to understand anything in this channel at 11am having not slept the entire night

i think i get how engineering students feel studying for exams

[halcyon galleon]

I'm just gonna let tomorrow me worry about it

[subtle finch]

just a few days ago, someone was vilifying backfeeding, that it will cause more issue, smh

[halcyon galleon]

lmao I was struggling to understand the backfeed thing just now and fed the chat history to Gemini to dumb it down

[shrewd knoll]

it's not mirrorable on the Y axis, i think its mirrorable on the X though

but the pipes would still look kinda different

[subtle finch]

this is it, nothing more

[hard yew]

I'm unable to max out outpost trading in Wuling with 12 battery/min and 6 syringe A/m. Does anybody know what might be going wrong?

[nova lodge]

give yourself some time, its not gonna be emptied directly within a week or 2.

[quasi locust]

it can cause issue if you are directly feeding xiranite from forge, but it's easier to design around that

[shell hinge]

You have a backlog. That is more than enough

[iron stratus]

as long as it's decreasing every time you sell all it's going down

[shrewd knoll]

just keep track of the bills each time you trade, it should be lower than the last time you checked

[hard yew]

It's not

[shell hinge]

Wym by backfeeding?

[marble yarrow]

your numbers look like its just above the hourly rate

you can add a yazhen C to chase it

[hard yew]

I checked, and the value is higher than it was 24 hours ago

[shrewd knoll]

after emptying your stockpile?

[halcyon galleon]

wow you're right, aight done

[shrewd knoll]

mathematically, that should be impossible

[hard yew]

by around 30000

[subtle finch]

#aic-factory message

[shell hinge]

Oh, a closed loop

I believe those are now known to not work long term

In addition to the edge case annoyances they always had

[subtle finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD9hMxogphI

[shrewd knoll]

i had a closed loop since day 1

still working

[subtle finch]

that's a myth

[hard yew]

Which is why I'm asking for help.

[slim bear]

heyy are there any websites which functions as a factory planner? i play on mobile so it do be kinda hard to yolo and change layout with my fat fingers

[shell hinge]

I believe this channel was discussing this just earlier today. It's some offline bug

[slim bear]

like a website to come up with my factory layout then only i copy paste into the game :3

[loud river]

we don't even have a zoom out feature

[halcyon galleon]

wait doesn't the green circle produce too little sewage and the read circle produce too much?

[gaunt tiger]

well they ever add overfill/underfill gates?

[subtle finch]

the offline bug is all crucible deleting roughly 2-3 every 500 items. that also includes sewage in final product. that's the idea behind backfeeding. less sewage on your system

[shell hinge]

Errr, pretty sure that video isn't a closed loop

[iron stratus]

pretty sure blueprint codes can only be generated in game

i dont think a website could make one out of thin air

[slim bear]

by copy and paste i mean manually copy it over

[halcyon galleon]

wait maybe the green circle is fine but red circle is still affected by the bug?

[nova lodge]

it won't they both produces at the same rate.
or you can just let the sewage clog up a bit 1st if you are worrying about it stopping suddenly.

[shell hinge]

Yeah, that's not closed

[subtle finch]

[final escarp]

Ok i put up a post under bug report about the crucible bug hopefully devs notice me and fix it

[slim bear]

just wanna handle the tedious troubleshooting and optimising of factory line on my shitty pc, which can handle websites but not endfield T_T

[shell hinge]

The reactors are clearly fed by cuprium sewage

Vs your first image, where a reactor was fed only by xircon sewage

[nova lodge]

not enuff copium, too much sewage salts ;v.

[subtle finch]

yeah, only half is looped

[shell hinge]

The loop is therefore not closed

[final escarp]

Could you help me >.< my reddit was recently hacked and I'm just scared to post now on reddit

[ancient pier]

https://beta.enka.network/endfield/aic/
something like this?

[subtle finch]

there's a loop somewhere

[final escarp]

Its ok even if you don't hopefully someone will notice and post on my behalf lol

[shell hinge]

Loop and closed loop are different lol

[slim bear]

oh u legend, tysm

[shell hinge]

Closed loop is vulnerable to the offline bug because the output sewage can be deleted over time. Since the loop is closed, it cannot be replenished

[subtle finch]

are we for real here? if its not backfed, then 4 of the refinement unit should go to the crucibles, only 2 are

[quasi locust]

oh how does crucible deleting items lead to sewage build up in cuprium again?

[upper fiber]

is that report 2hrs one?

[shell hinge]

Again, loops can be open or closed. That is a difference that exists

[subtle finch]

that's the whole point, it shouldnt be replenished, because it cant keep up.

[nova lodge]

i just put 1 more treatment plant at the end of the line + a fluid tank, hadn't encountered issues thus far.

[quasi locust]

oh i am trying to understand why are we on this journey to debug crucible tax

[nova lodge]

annoying bug, but yeah.

[atomic fiber]

I'm actually capping my xircon. i guess this mean I'm burning more xiranite than needed

[halcyon galleon]

ok but I thought the refinery is affected by the bug? so the green line doesn't have refinery now so that's good, but red line would still clog wouldn't it? though I don't know how the bug works

[atomic fiber]

we need a way to avoid crucible bs

[shell hinge]

It looks like the best solution to the bug rn is just to use priority flow, as that remains logically unaffected. Afaik there is nothing that can be done about the actual throughput losses

[shrewd knoll]

wait for crucible to grow up so it can do everything in a single one

[hard yew]

No, it was the 10 minute one. Here's the 2 hour one. It looks like battery is down to 11/min in the long term. Could that be the problem?

[atomic fiber]

you want to cap your xircon on the packaging unit

by producing more xircon than needed

[wispy grove]

ocd tickles their brain and whispers to them,"not straight enough"

[halcyon galleon]

crap I've been here for 1-2 hours and haven't gotten out of bed, gotta go thanks guys

[atomic fiber]

I'm also doing that wtf

[upper fiber]

yeah, about 5.5/min yazhen and 8.5/min sc bat net

[shell hinge]

Even with aritificing, margins are high enough that sub percent losses don't actually matter

[nova lodge]

my setup were a bit different, so i hadn't encountered said bug yet.
but for this setup, can always add a fluid tank + waste treatment into the loop to deal with build ups.

[shell hinge]

I wouldn't worry too much as long as your setup is robust enough

[subtle finch]

just posted evidence backfeed don't clog, and people still doubt results with no counter evidence

[quasi locust]

but priority flow is used since we can't match the reduced input xiranite rate with the exact input sewage rate right? that the input sewage will overflow and clog the output from cuprium

[wispy grove]

just let it clog, its a feature

[halcyon galleon]

yeahhh I really need to go, forced to handle this later now

[hard yew]

Do you know what might be causing the discrepancy between the long and short term outputs?

[halcyon galleon]

thanks tho, appreviate it ❤️

[final escarp]

Not tryna debug, need to understand it to work around it

[upper fiber]

your income is about 553/min, while outpost generate 600+/min

[wispy grove]

the video you send has fluctuations on the graph, theyre more focused on that than the overflow itself

[subtle finch]

that's crucibles deleting items.... that's flat online

[wispy grove]

ocd says "no its not stable enough, put more xiranite"

[upper fiber]

did you use 2 sc bat?

[atomic fiber]

have anyone figured out how slow is belt speed on offline? like the exact speed?

[hard yew]

I have 2 thermal banks, and usage seems to alternate between 2 and 4

[upper fiber]

you minmaxing battery?

[subtle finch]

like avy said, offline lost is not solvable right now, you just work around the problem it creates

[hard yew]

No

Just 2 banks connected to one splitter

[atomic fiber]

you can only minimize it

[upper fiber]

well, if you can take off that 1 bat consumption then you should be able to buy out the stock

or make preparation for stabilizing the output by adding extra input

[shell hinge]

With 6/min yazhen a, you only need 8.75/min sc batteries to max out the outpost

[hard yew]

I'll look into that, but do you have any idea what might be dropping the yield in the long term?

[quasi locust]

when feeding two 60/min sewage from cuprium, my understanding is the 30/min sewage from xircon is treated and is a non issue, so what i can't figure out is why we need priority flow design the first place

[shell hinge]

2.75/min yazhen c buys you another 0.8/min sc batteries

[shell hinge]

When xircon drops below max production, such as when diverting xiranite to components, your xircon line consumes less sewage. This will clog cuprium and slow that down as well in a naive design. Priority flow addresses this problem in a very simple way that is also capable of handling every case automatically

[quasi locust]

oh i mean like priority flow is used together with controlled xiranite rate right?

[quasi locust]

i recall that halving xiranite and halving sewage doesn't work and the sewage will build up, and priority flow is meant to prevent that build up

[upper fiber]

because the devs using low end server now since players dropped a lot

[shell hinge]

You do want to keep maximum cuprium sewage production for a given priority flow setup. That is after all the point

[hard yew]

Got it, so my best options would be to either optimize my power usage to only use one thermal bank, or squeeze a little bit extra out of my surplus ferrium, right?

[subtle finch]

that's what ive been saying for the whole day man

if your backfeeding fix your issue, i hope you help share the word

[wispy grove]

really? does that mean if i just reduce my SC battery to 9/min i can still buy all stock bills?

[shell hinge]

Can you power your base off 0.25/min sc batteries? That number is how much you are selling, not how much you are producing

[wispy grove]

the battery is 40 secs right?

[shell hinge]

Yup

[wispy grove]

thats 2/3 every min

yeah unless i need 2 batteries

[fathom glade]

? 3/2 every min

1.5/min

[wispy grove]

yeah

[shell hinge]

Perfectly clocked, that's 733 power

I don't think you can produce 9/min batteries and 6/min yazhen c off 733 power

[slim bear]

for the reactor crucible, can u choose which product goes through which outlet?

[fathom glade]

yeah that sounds not possible

[upper fiber]

only 1 output choice sadly, no

[fathom glade]

just from the originium grinders alone you need like 200 power per 6/min battery. not to mention the crucibles

[wispy grove]

what 733?

[slim bear]

like if im making xircon effluent/inert xircon effluent, can i decide which pipes thru which outlet?

[fathom glade]

yes

[slim bear]

ok thanks

[fathom glade]

you can even parallel process both yazhen solution and liquid xiranite production

[wispy grove]

theres a switch icon inside the crucible

[hidden temple]

2 thermal banks yeah? can throttle battery instead of dropping down total consumption
here's a super simple pwm you could set up if you don't feel like dige-ing it, should be fine up to like 4k consumption

or make a more precise setup thru dige
https://dige.aunly.cn/?lang=en

ignore the spare thermal banks powered off

[fathom glade]

fucking crucibles are magic to chemical engineers

[slim bear]

ahh icic ok ty

[fathom glade]

like how the fuck you put everything in a vessel and expect two liquids to not mix or slosh

[hard yew]

Got it, thanks for the help!

[fathom glade]

fucking crazy shit

yazhen xiranite solution when

[upper fiber]

ever heard of assassin pot?

[fathom glade]

fair but I'm assuming they put it all in a single crucible

and unless the solutions have different densities and insoluble to each other it would be fucking insane

[lusty violet]

separated

[subtle finch]

there's magical rock cancer, and this is where you draw the line?

[fathom glade]

pipe sloshing mechanic when

[upper fiber]

it has 2 holes in and 2 holes out, just can switch which hole the end product goes through

[fathom glade]

ok fair, i didnt pay attention to its shape

no im not, but im a chemical engineer by education

i want to calculate pressure head and shit come on

[shell hinge]

But is it as bad as old factorio pipes?

[fathom glade]

i made my own dige excel sheet lmao

(brute forced, engineering style)

i pwm'd my v4, so i think im clinically insane

[wispy grove]

atleast yall have experience on other games.

[hard yew]

One more question. for using my surplus ferrium, what would be more efficient for making more stock bills between using dense originium powder metatransfer to make hc valley batteries to save on wuling batteries, and using ferrium metatransfer to make more yazhen syring c?

[fathom glade]

i dont, dw

[subtle finch]

my intro to automation game is 1.7.10 modded mc, i'm practically an unc

[upper fiber]

upcoming torture....
rectangle pipe, triangle pipe, hexagon pipe

[fathom glade]

syr C

[shell hinge]

Dense originium powder has higher transfer efficiency than raw materials, and thus is able to beat ferrium ore. This is assuming you clock sc batteries appropriately

[dark furnace]

@subtle finch after playing with the tests I might just go back to having deficient SC production and call it a day until next update

[fathom glade]

isnt xiranite limited tho?

[dark furnace]

I don't mind producing 11/m battery as long as it covers the stock bill

[shell hinge]

You make hc valley batteries, not more sc wuling

[fathom glade]

oh. oh...

[subtle finch]

im also producing 11/min offline, it's unavoidable really.

[warped delta]

This reminds me I need to log back on to refill batteries in Wuling or the factory will die overnight lol

[dark furnace]

it's also funny to think that when we capped SC battery in depot, we would have to dump them so it doesn't clog up the production

[fathom glade]

but you'd need like 4.5/min to cover the excess energy yeah?

[lusty violet]

11/min based on depot amounts or aic report?

[warped delta]

I made some adjustments to my factory, we'll see in the morning if that fixed the 11/min issue

[dark furnace]

mostly AIC report

but in practice we lose around 0.6% producitivity

[hard yew]

Got it, thanks!

[shell hinge]

You get around 1100 power from dense originium powder metatransfer and the spare 30/min ferrium. This won't replace sc wuling power, just supplement it and allow you to tune the clocking to a lower value

[subtle finch]

passing it through banks first would at least not cause power issue

[fathom glade]

gotcha, ill have to try it later when i get home, thx

legit didnt think to use that, thats crazy

[shell hinge]

Idk why that's the one item with higher transfer efficiency than raw materials

[warped delta]

I just carry all my batteries over from V4 to save batteries to sell in wuling for bills

[fathom glade]

i assume that reduces consumpton by 0.5/min

[outer basin]

From what I've gathered, Syringe C plus DIGE is better than HC Valley batteries. I'm lazy though, so I'm just doing Valley batteries.

[shell hinge]

0.34/min

[fathom glade]

0.34/min? not 0.5?

[dark furnace]

for power I think it would just be the same as storing in depot first. What I meant is that when depot has SC battery capped, then your xircon production would be clogged, and so as cuprium, and the syringe/component

[shell hinge]

It's 1100 power

[dark furnace]

that's why we are recommended to trade battery to outpost first

before syringe

[shell hinge]

DIGE?

[subtle finch]

no one is addressing the largest income source, we still don't know if elastic good price is predictable

[fathom glade]

it's 1/3 an SC battery, and that's 1.5/3*2=1/min no?

1100/3200~1/3

[shell hinge]

Trade yazhen c first instead and use priority flow to ensure cuprium never slows down

[dark furnace]

i am talking about your SC bettery being capped in depot

[shell hinge]

Oh I see. I meant constant use, so yeah you're roughly right

[dark furnace]

though it would be a long while until that happens

[shell hinge]

Yes, priority flow works then as well.

[dark furnace]

not the sewage

your literal absolute storage of SC battery in your depot

[shell hinge]

Yes?

[dark furnace]

oh

nvm

[shell hinge]

Priority flow will let cuprium run at maximum capacity even if you are consuming zero sewage

[dark furnace]

i mean if you have 4x treatment for the overflow then yea

[fathom glade]

how much dense ori do you get per hour tho?