aic-factory

[scenic swift]

we can just give up on science, the only conclusion is that some point while you are offline endmin gets thirsty and drinks some

[pulsar willow]

it's tangtang I am sure

[pulsar sail]

a tip for all that reactor/waste thiingy : nothing in the xircon line must be sleeping "zzz" (except the ferium). if any "ZZZ" you will get clogging

[upper fiber]

ocd people can just online 24hrs

[pulsar sail]

be sure to have 0 "zzz"

[scenic swift]

just factor it in as the cost of living

[final escarp]

Its definitely still possible to test, but I'm not knowledgeable enough about server client interactions and other computer lingo things to know what are the potential sources of error to proceed to test

[thorn pike]

Endmin is going to get themselves killed trying to sell water in Valley

[pulsar willow]

unless it's the line you are getting xiranite from

[upper fiber]

next test would be 'how to trick the server that we are online'

[final escarp]

I suppose we can try with protocol stash to protocol stash max length belt and min length belt 500 jincao powder

[rocky niche]

they should sell energy drinks instead. woosters likes those things

[final escarp]

See if we end up with 500 jincao powder after offline

[thorn pike]

DDOS the server

[jovial breach]

My sewage outlet has that

Cuz it's only 0.5 sewage input from 1 refinery

[scenic swift]

you just need to get a phone that can barely run the game at like 1 fps so it doesnt use to much electricy and you can always be online, might have to trick the afk checks though

[upper fiber]

there is afk check? for phone

[pulsar sail]

new test setup , 300 unit, alt+f4

[upper fiber]

nice test

who wanna be the guinea pig

not you

[marble yarrow]

(idk my game is bricked)

[upper fiber]

wew

[pulsar willow]

what was that

[final escarp]

I found the original belts slower reddit post:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Endfield/s/zj3cZ9GtPR

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-up-stongs-meme-stocks-gif-15715298

[thorn pike]

that was nice of you

[fluid fog]

https://youtube.com/shorts/03Yixjnnqgo

[pulsar sail]

mmh it's not really a question of slow... there are missing outputs

[pulsar sail]

Offline belt transfer is not eating items, 300 in, 300 out

[hardy oriole]

was sandleaf in shredding unit ratio always 1:3

[reef crescent]

yes

[final escarp]

This is truly strange maybe it's the interaction with the crucible

Will test without water and just pass the jincao powder through the crucible to see if any loss occurs offline

But need to get more jincao first lol

[pulsar sail]

i'm running a 100 powder/100 Water in a crucible, no belt, only splitter, the only thing I cannot remove is the 1 unit pipe out of the fluid tank

[thorn pike]

beautiful

[pulsar sail]

another test would be a 50 water/powder prefilled crucible, but if the error happens every 10O-200 units produced, it won't show

[humble sage]

do I need to adjust something? no longer can buy everything in outpost

[pulsar sail]

do you still need xeranite components?

[humble sage]

I guess not for now

[scenic swift]

I think the losses could be happening when it switch between offline/online calculations. For example you are producing something every 2 seconds. A material went in at the 1st second but would only be used at the 2nd second. So when you log in/out at 3 seconds it calculates that you have completed 1.5, resulting in an odd number.
for example you had 249 but 1 goes in before you log out, leaving 249 to be calculated when you log back in with 1 already in the crucible (unless there is a belt and its still in the belt when you log out).
so in beltless calculation you log in and the server sees you would have used 249+1 in the crucible= output is accurately calculated as 500
in the belt calculation you log in and the server sees you have 249 (1 lost in the belt at the time you logged out). Server calculates this at 498 output. But because of the timing issue switching between offline and online calcs, 1 second of production time is lost resulting in a half output calculated dropping the output to 497 instead of 498. 🤔
3rd case you logged in and out and only lost 1 second of production 499/500 is the result

when you transfer from point 1 to point 2 with no production you dont lose production so no loss. I could be wrong though

hmm but when you did 499/500 was that with a belt or no belt?

[marble yarrow]

for the 2 hours chart, its still 59/min, but its kinda better, there is only 2 micro-ticks in the 2hr chart. now i will try to build up xircon effluent in the last reactor to see if having it preloaded helps

[pulsar sail]

the 3 test was same setup : A small 1 unit belt and 2 small pipes

[atomic fiber]

i don't want to accept this... but seems like the crucible unit is actually working a very little bit slowly on offline.

[pulsar sail]

aaaaarrhhh

[pulsar sail]

welcome to the rabiit hole

[zealous night]

is there a point of keeping extra sewage or should u just toss it

[marble yarrow]

huh?

[atomic fiber]

seems like the only real solution for xircon is to actually have

3 Crucible producing xircon. for 2 lines of sc batt

[pulsar sail]

if you have your 2 xircon reactor working 100%, toss the sewage

[final escarp]

I think it's losing output, not actually working slowly as confirmed with the now famous 500/500 497 experiment

[atomic fiber]

you mean... the crucible actually make my stuff go into the void 💀

[pulsar sail]

yes

[atomic fiber]

i have actually have suspected that... but i guess i just really hope that really isn't the case...

[final escarp]

Yes if u put 500 water and 500 jincao powder together you will only get 497 jincao solution after offline can test it urself

*with belts

[atomic fiber]

[jovial breach]

6/min component

[final escarp]

You get full yield without belts though

[thick otter]

So whats the most efficient farm graph as of rn?

[thorn pike]

Ecofarm

[thorn pike]

for what region dude

[thick otter]

Wuling , idk whether i should make gear part or nah

[distant ibex]

What's the max yield of those new batteries

[thorn pike]

definitely should

ok you two listen up

12 SC wuling batteries

6 syringe A

3 jincao tea/syringeC

0.1~0.5gear/min base on your taste

don't care about the rest

[thick otter]

Thanks

[thorn pike]

i make more than most with this shitty AIC

So dont sweat it

i turned off AIC for 2 days and still dry up my stockbills

that's how much you are supposed to make

they will pile up

[scenic swift]

can you try doing one with a really long belt and production see if the loss is still the same or will it be more?

[thorn pike]

when they reach ~50k for each item, turn them off

stock xiranite and ores to make gears

or just fill pools

[thorn pike]

most of my belts are long ahhh

and i still make surplus

so i dont think there's a problem even with offline loss

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

[thorn pike]

suck it up

it's a GAME

[pulsar sail]

i'll try after the current test, where i'm checking if I lose offline output with various number, I tried 100, output 100, trying 200 right now

[thorn pike]

[scenic swift]

ok

do not enter the world of offline calculations if you value sanity

[atomic fiber]

you need 2 xircon crucible it seems

[severe nexus]

are you able to make a post in blueprints so we have a single place for all results?

[thorn pike]

games are supposed to make you feel relaxed

what world are you guys living in

unemployed asses

[fluid fog]

Factorio makes you unemployed and Anti-social

caise Factory MUST GROW

[thorn pike]

If your AIC looks like shit but they still make max income then leave it be. There will be new stuff nextpatch. Fix the AIC then.

[fluid fog]

can't w8 for more By-product for HC-W-Bat

[hoary crag]

lol tbh for me idc about the production loss, I like mine to look good

[thorn pike]

spend that time looking good for your lover

oh wait you dont have one

[hoary crag]

I have one tho

lmao

[thorn pike]

then spend that time looking good for your employer

if you have a j*b

or just help your parents bro

[hoary crag]

dw I have my productive times

this is just how I like spending my free time: suffering

[thorn pike]

when you are my age, time is not a take-for-granted anymore, you actually have to calculate and minmax it

same as your health

lmfao

[wispy grove]

youre my age? ur an unc?

[fluid fog]

what do you mean all of this lane is still not enough to fill all input??????????????????

[thorn pike]

I nearly broke my spine 6 times as a kid. Came back fully intact and healed.

Now I have tendon strains because i click mouse

[scenic swift]

only 1.5 hours lost yapping about offline production dont tell me how to minmax my time

[hoary crag]

cuz tbh the things I do on my free time are stuff that doesn't really get finished in a day

but when it does get finished

the satisfaction I get is immaculate

[thorn pike]

your body start going haywire after 20-25 or so

[thorn pike]

i was a minecraft builder

now i wish i spent that time for my 4th foreign language and piano

[hoary crag]

😭

[pulsar sail]

hey, I am working! (I answer teams and mail, if there is one ever) 😄

[thorn pike]

1000hrs of something can really push you far in life. Try to minmax your time for the future

[small creek]

You're in the #aic-factory channel telling people not to discuss this obviously aic-factory thing

[hoary crag]

lol

[small creek]

idk what else to tell u

[thorn pike]

nah im telling them to chill and stop worrying about a productionline that will be max nonetheless

[shrewd knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/information-that-i-believe-is-unnecessary-ahmed-aldoori-useless-information-worthless-pointless-gif-19712542

[hoary crag]

I wonder if I should draw endmin trying to build a megafactory

[thorn pike]

1/min loss or 2/min loss and you still make it to max stocks.

It's a bug, let the dev fix it

nothing can be done, and if be done, doesn't affect your stockbill

[final escarp]

Ok going to test without reaction in reactor crucible

[thorn pike]

so why spend days trying to fix it for the dev

[pulsar sail]

AIC Factory is for OCD driven mad people, you can't understand that if the graphs are not perfeclty flat, it will ruin someone's life

[small creek]

some people find that fun 🤷

[shrewd knoll]

its the sidegrade illness

[thorn pike]

they are making it obnoxious for themselves really

[small creek]

i mean its objectively obnoxious

[final escarp]

If i get 500 jincao powder in the end it's confirmed the belts are messing up the reaction or sth

[small creek]

bugs are naturally annoying

[scenic swift]

but because we want them to fix it we need to figure out what is going on so we have proof to report that there is actually a problem (just look at how many people refuse to believe even after seeing proof) lol

[hoary crag]

ngl, endfield made me realize how fun factory gameplay is

is this my sign to start playing satisfactory?

[thorn pike]

i'm sure i enjoy the AIC as much as they do and no I don't find a reason to "fix" a bug that can only be done efficiently by the devs

[small creek]

I do agree that ill just leave the offline shenanigans to the devs

[pulsar sail]

well 200 input, here is the output

no belt

[thorn pike]

go to the suburbans and look for a factory

you make real life parts in real time

[hard yew]

My Wuling outpost savings are restocking to higher than the previous day after trading everything I have. 12/m battery and 6/m syringe A should be enough to clear out the outpost, right? Does anybody know what might be going wrong?

[fluid fog]

BRUHHHH I need to ratio EVERYTHING just to keep 100% working else 99% will work offline.

[thorn pike]

production speed is like 100~400/min

[small creek]

how much is it with belt

[thorn pike]

[small creek]

197?

[thorn pike]

is that the bite of 75'

[hoary crag]

that's the point

I don't unfortunately lmao. I spend the rest of my free time drawing and spreading democracy

[pulsar sail]

i need to remake the test, result in 5 minutes

[small creek]

unfortunately i dont bite

thanks but honestly i will not use this info 😆

[thorn pike]

you lick or sth?

im up

[small creek]

someone turned on the freak-tory

[sleek ibex]

i used the battery optimizer website and it says to use the setup on the left, but cant i just use this setup on the right ? im doing this cause im producing 6/m battery and 6/m components rn lmao and would like some excess before switching to 12/m batt production

[thorn pike]

spreading democracy?
you rob oils or sth

[marble yarrow]

0.5% tax aint bad

[thorn pike]

pls dont mention t*x

nightmare

[small creek]

youre converging it back to the thermal bank, which defeats the entire purpose

you conserve no fuel doing this

[hoary crag]

and isn't the middle converger lines for something that has to do with splitter desync or smth?

idk I forgot

[small creek]

like if you remove all the splitters and convergers on the right setup, its functionally the same

[distant ibex]

People max syringes is 6/min.
One costs :
10 parts = 10 cuprium
5 bottles = 10 cuprium
Together 20
6 per minute would eat 6*20=120
Then how come we can't make more than 6 per minute if the cuprium yield is 120/min

[distant ibex]

Wait the fuk up...

nevermind 😅

[hoary crag]

😭

[small creek]

bro killed his own argument at the second to last sentence

[thorn pike]

can i call you a dumbaszz

imagine m*th

[hoary crag]

that

is one suspiciously placed asterisk

[sleek ibex]

what...my head not made for this lmao
i assumed that while converging it all back it still takes some time to return because of the splitters taking its time to "split" the items to all 3 lanes, i assumed i can "cashback" that lmao, assuming all the lanes are full, the unloader wont spit out batteries which saves me some batteries

[wispy grove]

[thorn pike]

let's fkin go

[final escarp]

Now I'm confused lol

[thorn pike]

aww dang it

aww dang it

aww dang it

[small creek]

oh you want to self clog, thats something im not familiar with unfortunately

[final escarp]

Actually shrodingers jincao solution

[hoary crag]

I mean they're somewhat not wrong if their intention is to self clog

[thorn pike]

i will never gamble again

fk artificing

[small creek]

i at least know youre trying to self clog, but i dont know the theory well enough to actually say anything more than that

[hoary crag]

it will slow down the unloader if its the returning units' turn to re-enter the belt

[small creek]

kind of like how i didnt get how alternators worked until like 2 days ago

[fluid fog]

KEKW

[sleek ibex]

alternators what

[hoary crag]

but I'm more concerned about the potential of it clogging on the lower set of splitters/convergers

which might mess up with the overall chain

but who knows?

[small creek]

planter-seeder alternators https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1483752511557992458

[pulsar sail]

Quantum reaction

[sleek ibex]

aight, all im hearing is to fuk around and find out

[small creek]

it seemed like a useless theory at first, but then i realized i can save 30 power with it

[reef crescent]

oh my sewage got blocked, this thing is annyonig lol

[scenic swift]

only if the seeder not using 100% efficiency of its output

[final escarp]

I'm actually really confused because when I didn't use a belt I got full yield

[small creek]

i wanna learn priority flow next, but i think i already accidentally did it without knowing

[small creek]

since 1 yazhen/jincao produces 2 powder, its still full efficiency

[hoary crag]

out of curiosity, what's the difference between yahzen C and jincao drink?

they both sell for the same price at the outpost

[jovial breach]

You can achieve some weird ratio like 1/5 with self clogging and splitting

[small creek]

i can make 6/min yazhen syringe A and jincao drink with just 1 crucible and 1 planter-seeder

[small creek]

yeah nah i dont get it

[thorn pike]

got the medal

Perfect Gearing

[small creek]

ill revisit that later when i think i need it

[jovial breach]

It's using the principle of lim function

[small creek]

and i already forgot whatever the fuck that is

[jovial breach]

You dont actually achieve the exact 1/5 ratio

[small creek]

more like 0.199?

[jovial breach]

But you approach close to 6/min

This was from someone here

[small creek]

nah

lost me on the right half lol

[quartz otter]

where to check limit factory inside PAC?

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-i-dont-know-gif-14777043

[small creek]

manually place facilities until you reach the cap

i like placing splitter

[jovial breach]

It's hidden

So you have to guess

But reaching the cap is crazy

[pulsar sail]

Oon the map of the region

[jovial breach]

I've never reached that

[wispy grove]

its more like, "hehe sike you cant place anymore cause i say so"

[quartz otter]

wanna make 100% usefull product

[small creek]

its pretty common if you like putting everything in the core AIC

im personally like 15 facilities left lol

[zealous night]

how much sandleaf do u need💀

[somber snow]

notice that 8 of those are for carbon,
if this is wuling, it hurts my eyes

[small creek]

i should make a toggleable 3/1.5/0.75 combined cuprium and xiranite comp design

[pulsar sail]

wuling subpac is there for that, there is no need to pack everything, also, if your sandlee is next to the bus, remove the protocol stash and use loader, less power

[small creek]

thats like, the last thing i need if i wanna publish a core aic only wuling megabase

[quartz otter]

to make stabilize carbon rotation i need a lot

[zealous night]

isnt yazhen better for carbon tho

[somber snow]

yes, both yazhen and jincao are more efficient for carbon

oh shit, i just noticed the buses, taht is wuling

[quartz otter]

carbon is carbon, any diff? more product?

[zealous night]

just takes up less space

[wispy grove]

its better to put forges on subpac so you can have enough space on your main AIC if you wanna edit stuff

[jovial breach]

Jincao and yazhen gives double carbon

[somber snow]

1 wuling plant produces 2 carbon,
and u only 1 seed picker and 1 planter for 1 line of wuling plants,

[fluid fog]

more yield in wuling plants.

[small creek]

my forge and SCW are integrated so i have to put everything in core AIC

which means i also need to put syringe there

[quartz otter]

alright,, ggwp

[hallow monolith]

i hope they adda feature on item control ports where it "activates" when your item count goes below a certain number

[somber snow]

alr, how horrible is this

[small creek]

which is also integrated to my jincao drink..

and ofc since my only source of sewage is in core AIC, i also have to place the 2nd SCW in main AIC

unironically, it is most power efficient to put everything in the core AIC for 1.1

[wispy grove]

bruh, editing HC battery later will be a hassle

[small creek]

i have a separate xiranite bp

just not using it rn

integrated is 40 less power use for 1.1

the only thing that you can put in subPAC without any changes to power consumption is components

[scenic swift]

you can run a sewage line from AIC to sub AIC

[sick basin]

Sell out
Sell out

[small creek]

ok but thats like so ass

[hoary crag]

imagine the resource demands of HC wuling battery

[small creek]

fuck u mean brah

[wispy grove]

i hope they wont introduce another ore this time

cause i saw the leaks

theres another ore

[hoary crag]

I think they won't a new ore until 3rd region

[sick basin]

[zealous night]

need more ore nodes

[wispy grove]

but i cant remember when

[wispy grove]

i hope thats the case

[small creek]

go port my design smh

[hoary crag]

is it a leak? cuz afaik you just have to visit the research center to see the next ore

[pulsar sail]

I just fear they will add gaz and oil as new pipeline 😄

[hoary crag]

we just don't know when and where we'll find it

[sick basin]

Isnt it already ported

[small creek]

thats the yazhen/jincao..

[scenic swift]

im ok with more or over more liquids

[small creek]

the SCW xiranite is still unported

[wispy grove]

its a picture, from i dunno which country. they posted 3 ores, one of them is cuprium

[scenic swift]

but we already have solids and liquids were is the gas resource?

[pulsar sail]

OK, back to the test, 200 input, offline

[scenic swift]

and then they make us use sewage to produce stinky fumes

[pulsar sail]

with belts

[wispy grove]

its not a billboard post, its almost human size poster

[hoary crag]

yeah there's a room in the research center with 4 framed images of ores

amethyst ore -> ferrium ore -> cuprium ore -> aggeloid cluster

[pulsar sail]

so with and without belt, if offline, you loose 0 in 100, 1 in 200, 3 in 500.

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[pulsar sail]

it really is a crucible issue

[hoary crag]

wait lemme find that room since I always wanted to visit said room by myself anyway

logging back in rn

[wispy grove]

aggeloid cluster

[scenic swift]

I was going to play wuther wavings but was yapping here for 2 hours, finally went to play and it had to download and unpack a 20GB update so now im waiting another hour

[wispy grove]

dang we drill aggeloid beds now?

[small creek]

yeah u remember those big spikes

in v4

[wispy grove]

just how strong is that battery will be

10k energy?

[scenic swift]

imagine checking for game updates before checking discord

[pulsar willow]

ah... things I do to make items flow normally...

[hoary crag]

@wispy grove found it

and it's aggagrit lmao, not aggeloid 😭

[wispy grove]

thats not an ore bed bro

we manufacturing aggeloids

crazy

aggagrit

[pulsar sail]

nice

[somber snow]

is this 3.75/min?

[scenic swift]

moving on from copium to aggroids

[wispy grove]

maybe its not aggeloids

but its floating

from amethyst to coprium are ore beds

[pulsar willow]

yeah

[wispy grove]

the next one isnt

[scenic swift]

and make the new mining rigs require sewage as an input to make it more hellish

[final escarp]

Shit bro oof

[pulsar sail]

i'm guessing the breakpoint is 1/150 but I'm testing right now

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[pulsar willow]

it's dropped from the aggeloi though

[wispy grove]

amm i seeing this

theres no sewage build up in my crucible

[pulsar sail]

so 497/500 should be 596/600 if i'm right

[final escarp]

Hmm we've got to try

1. With double input belt into crucible
2. With preshred Jincao powder

[pulsar willow]

we already have like 3 types of aggagrit

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/what-wtf-eyes-look-phone-gif-3927559383930151204

[proud flax]

adding more pipes to join into one pipe increase the amount in the single pipe?

[subtle finch]

holy gigawide

[wispy grove]

oh yeah from ecthspace salvage

[pulsar sail]

that depends on your outputs... a pipe can tranfert 2 unit per seconds

[wispy grove]

im dumb

[final escarp]

And also of course with yazhen and the other formulas

[pulsar sail]

if you try to push more, the ouputs will clogg

[hoary crag]

hollow, hard, and energized

[pulsar willow]

not exactly, just dropped from aggeloi

[small creek]

all i heard was pipe pipe pipe pipe?

[proud flax]

https://tenor.com/view/chen-endfield-arknights-qianyu-silly-gif-2603914693282121266

[wispy grove]

oh yeah its in my storage. so we do gonna manufacture aggeloids. insane

[proud flax]

my usual measurement is to compare the pipe thickness, see the sweage compared to water

[pulsar sail]

most products output 1 every 2 second so basically you could have 4 thing outputing into 1 pipe with convergers

[pulsar willow]

I think it's just the anti-originium crystals

the blight crystals

[scenic swift]

sewage output are 0.5 so you can combine 4 into 1 pipe. water pumps are 1 so you can only combine 2.

[hoary crag]

I still can't unsee the endfield pipe logo looking like stark industries' logo

[sick basin]

Metalpipe.sfx

[final escarp]

I got 500 in the end so it's confirmed the reaction causing missing output

[scenic swift]

endmin discovers the water cube, no more pipes, everything back to belts.

[final escarp]

Hmm are you testing on PC or mobile?

[scenic swift]

icecubes in the new cold region when?

[pulsar willow]

okay this thing just stabilized my cuprium usage

so you shouldn't connect splitters and convergers directly, I think

[peak sinew]

pipe done

now the loot zip

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1220810810658525301/1463777942827171892/xormo.gif

[final escarp]

Oh yeah guys anyone knows how to regularise inputs?

[peak sinew]

you mean limit what come in ?

[somber snow]

use splitters and convergers

[solemn creek]

yo why is it not working

[worthy marsh]

I just unlocked the wuling AIC, and now I have to deal with pipes? I'm scared.

[subtle finch]

follow the layout, that short version without the middle convergers can cause clogging. personally, it's a waste of time to setup dige now if your base layout is not yet finalized

[peak sinew]

you need 2 brick i believe

[solemn creek]

oh

[final escarp]

For example, if I split my battery output from depot into 3 lanes and then take out 1 of the 2 lanes back to depot while the other 2 meet at a converger and combine into a single belt, there will be a space between every 2 batteries

Anyway I can eliminate that space?

It will look like
Batt Batt space Batt Batt
I would like it to look like
Batt small space Batt small space Batt

[peak sinew]

look like you need a youtube video

i copy some build from the net but i dont get it too

[scenic hawk]

Conduits exist bro
Gonna be much easier once you unlock it

[hidden temple]

nope, you're doing 2/3 output and the *distance between items is fixed at 1/2s

it won't average out the space and will show that gap representing 1/3 isn't being used

[peak sinew]

i dont get it

[somber snow]

this 1 saves more batteries compared to the 1 at the bottom

[final escarp]

Yes i know it won't naturally average out the space, I'm asking if there is a way to make it so
A consistent spacing between the items should exist because the items are going slower than max rate

[wispy grove]

1 battery every 3min and 36 secs?

if my math is right

[sleek ibex]

if you are willing, can you explain what the middle converger do ? just extend the time ? and if so, aight cool. and thanks

[rugged nimbus]

Can someone help me make a xiranite factory? This factory stuff is too much for me to figure out

[wispy grove]

oh my bad

i suck bro

[crude nebula]

checkout some on #1461542035617091681

[wispy grove]

its 1 every 26 secs

[rugged nimbus]

I don’t even know what I’m looking at

[small creek]

try my design i guess https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1483729943958388796

uses 40 less power than most designs

[crude nebula]

what RDM are you on?

what end product do you want to craft?

[rugged nimbus]

RDM…?

[crude nebula]

regional development level

the page where you press Y in PC

[rugged nimbus]

Oooh 3…

That’s what I’m trying to lvl up cause outpost management is the only way I can at this point

[small creek]

well nvm idt u can use this yet lol

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[subtle finch]

yes

[crude nebula]

so wuling RDM lvl 3 hmm, i guess the LC battery

[rugged nimbus]

I’m a lost cause

[sleek ibex]

nice, bet.

[small creek]

yea u need some LC battery first

[crude nebula]

no no, you just play later than most player here

[small creek]

i dont have LC batt design lol

[wispy grove]

i have

[rugged nimbus]

That’s the sad part…. I’ve been playing since release

[small creek]

it wasnt that interesting to me

[crude nebula]

try to find blueprint for LC battery and Medical [C] in #1461542035617091681, don't forget to read the description provided

[crude nebula]

keep playing on your pace, no rush in this early game release yet

[wispy grove]

you know hw to copy blue prints right? i hope u do

[small creek]

if youre willing, rush the story to get cuprium ore

[crude nebula]

or you'll get boring of nothing but doing daily like me, then offline for the rest of the day

[wispy grove]

getting cuprium wont help since you cant sell it

at lvl 3

[crude nebula]

even trimming medal isn't my thing

[small creek]

itll help later

is what im saying

[crude nebula]

but the factory must run first

[small creek]

i mean yea

[wispy grove]

he cant access hydro rigs

[small creek]

we need LC batt first

[crude nebula]

yes he can stored for now at least

but no use

[small creek]

they also need to make component for progression so

storing syringes to sell gives them a buffer

make syringe now
RDL and outpost upgrade
make comp
sell the syringe from before

[wispy grove]

fair enough but itll be a stressful day to learn everything at once

[small creek]

thats why i said if theyre willing

cus its not relaxing at all to do

[crude nebula]

from her gameplay, probably no rush

[wispy grove]

he doesnt even have a xiranite factory yet

he needs a step by step guid

[small creek]

you can make syringe without xiranite 🤷

need xiranite for lc batt tho lol

[wispy grove]

hes zero energy

[small creek]

yea

[crude nebula]

the prerequisite is still to bring battery from v4

[small creek]

or put originium in bank lmao

[rugged nimbus]

All the community factory layouts look really complicated…

[small creek]

thats what i did

oh wait

[tame lagoon]

Guys can you tell I have no idea what I’m doing 😛
How do I even optimise the look of this 😭

[small creek]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1467717814164000858

this might be the perfect bp for u

for now

i forgot i made this

[crude nebula]

they are already optimized the best they can, so yeah that's what the maximum player can do now

[small creek]

make xiranite, battery, and syringeC all in one bp

[balmy cradle]

1 water pump can feed how many facilities?

[small creek]

mostly 2

[crude nebula]

2 for crafting in AIC, but 3 for hydro rig

[wispy grove]

bro upgrade your aic

[hidden temple]

uhh nope cuz items are spat out at a universal tickrate of 1 per 2s
if a facility/logistic tries to spit it out earlier, it'll wait for the next tick

only way for item and gap to be of equal length is 1/2 output

[tame lagoon]

How do I do that

[small creek]

reactor crucible takes an entire water pump by itself if you produce 2 different liquid at once

[wispy grove]

go to the owl head R2D2

[small creek]

outside of that, most facilities use 1/2 water pump

[tame lagoon]

HUH?

[crude nebula]

have you mexed out your outpost level from selling item?

[verbal lintel]

can you dump waste water into empty ponds in wuling

[tame lagoon]

Refugee Camp is lvl 2 and infra station is 1 😛

[verbal lintel]

aw dang i wanted to fill 40k

[crude nebula]

maxed the exp out then run the mission for the AIC to level them up

[tame lagoon]

Yuh that’s what that aic layout is for

I’m making amethyst parts, buck capsules and batteries and making mad profit 😛

In all seriousness I have no idea what I’m doing and just going with the flow

[final escarp]

Ok retesting again
On mobile
with belts
Double belt input
500 fluid and 500 jincao powder
Will I still get 497 jincao solution

Hey maybe it's just a PC problem, maybe mobile doesn't have any issue lol

Won't know until we try XD

[crude nebula]

currently at your outpost's level, that's enough, no need to make it compact yet. just make sure the crafting ratio and machine covered until you maxed out the outpost level

[scenic swift]

this is impossible to fix because you are moving batteries at a rate of 1 every 10 seconds, every 30 seconds one side gets 2 but moving at a rate of 10, leaving a 10 second gap with no battery, you would need to slow down the moving rate to 1 every 15 seconds to make them even but you are producing every 10 seconds and you cant control the belt speed. If you only use 1 belt output and split it into 3 they can move evenly up until the point were it splits, so if you put the splitter on the end you can cover it up. 🤔

[final escarp]

Hmm if it's still 497 I will proceed to test with Yazhen

[verbal lintel]

pump to mining rig is 1:6?

[final escarp]

If Yazhen also has this problem I will proceed to test with Xircon but that will take a while to set up 🙁

U tried without belts as well?

[final escarp]

Ok so basically there is a way by splitting the belt output again a couple of times but needs to be tailored...

Oh well I'm too lazy

Hmm i will try beltless again later

[floral pollen]

chat am i at the max production rn?

dang idk why either, ty tho

i kinda hate how this new sewage system works

[scenic swift]

you just need to delay 1 by half so you can split it again and return it to the back after the 1st converger, so uh you would need to use 2 convergers with the 2nd one splitting half back to the 1st converger 🤔

[peak sinew]

you are at base 1 or st

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[floral pollen]

if something gets staggered just a little theres a potential your xircon reactors will just die

[wispy grove]

i think you are

[floral pollen]

what does this mean

[peak sinew]

base lvl1 no upgrade

[floral pollen]

oh nah I'm maxed

[peak sinew]

my current
xiran compo quite big so i turn it off

[floral pollen]

i think it fixed itself

[peak sinew]

90/min

[floral pollen]

ig i wouldn't be surprised if my factory just dies 3 hours later lol

[peak sinew]

so they ad new battery

funny

3 loops

i will max that new component first before min max that battery

12k already

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/clapping-clap-applause-standing-ovation-gif-15648815

[wispy grove]

much better than splitting belts just to get 1 comp per min

[peak sinew]

You wont use comp that much bth

so just max it first then built st else

it wont run out anytime toon

[tropic gale]

Looks neat af

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-spanish-gracias-gif-18607635

[solid linden]

couple hours of planning for 0.01 battery saving

and a singular factory without utilizing side aic

[slim bear]

how much SC wuling battery can we currently produce /min?

[wispy grove]

12

[solid linden]

12

[slim bear]

ok tyy

[true furnace]

Anyone else getting these small dips? Smth tells me it only happens offline

[solid linden]

12 bats 6 heals and a couple valley bats/another heals

yeah

or your aic plan crafts some armor components in low quantity

[true furnace]

I tried placing a fluid tank as buffer between the liquid xiranite and xircon crucibles, let it fill up, and leave it running for hours

Next time I log in, the buffer is empty

[slim bear]

wait so for the crucible part (for SC Bat) is it 2 Liquid Xira -> 2 Xircon Effluent -> 1 Xircon -> Packaging Unit?

[true furnace]

Yes

[solid linden]

yea

[slim bear]

ok then uh how do i get the extra sewage, i assume i can use the sewage from xircon production to power 1 Xircon Effluent?

[true furnace]

Noooo my efficiency

[true furnace]

You get enough from 4 cuprium refineries

[slim bear]

ohhhhhh ok tyty

[solid linden]

also from cuprium refinery

[slim bear]

cheers

[wispy grove]

another person on the fam

[wispy grove]

the answer is yes. is there anything you can do? yes and no

[slim bear]

yoooo whatt

ur crucible production can be outside the aic area??!!

[solid linden]

only ones that does not require solids

[wispy grove]

anything can

[slim bear]

wait thats sickk

[wispy grove]

except belts

[slim bear]

the more u learn :3

[pulsar sail]

oooh

[solid linden]

i could put one more there but i have no intentions to spend another couple hours rebuilding my aic

[solid linden]

it saves some space but decreases limits efficiency

[pulsar sail]

testing offline crucible so far:
100->100
150->150
175->174
200->199
testing 160

[iron stratus]

wait why do you have like 10 pumps

[solid linden]

more

[iron stratus]

you only need 9 total

[lusty violet]

yikes, 82% of expected sc wbat production when offline

[solid linden]

13

[solid linden]

that will bring me a huge pain in my ass...

i decided to stop wasting time on my aic

[iron stratus]

1 pump feeds 2 facilities

so if you have any feeding just 1 i'd merge them

[rugged nimbus]

I need a factory layout for dummies. I need some way to lvl up my RDL to atleast lv 4. I don’t care if the layout is inefficient it’s better then what I’ve been trying to do

[solid linden]

i could probably shave off couple

[iron stratus]

wuling or v4

[rugged nimbus]

Wuling

[iron stratus]

you can just buy and sell elastic goods and upgrade the stock redistributor/depot node/ems/recycling stations for rdl 4

[hoary crag]

btw what's the setup you have for these tests?

just asking

and how do you control the amount? I assume it's thru storage type stashes?

oh yeah I know that part

was asking how the actual test line looks

[pulsar sail]

I replied to my setup, I'll screenshot it again in a few minutes once I relog in

[rugged nimbus]

I’ve already lvld up all my recycling stations and I’ve done what’s available to me of the environmental monitoring, but all the other stuff isn’t unlocked? And I don’t know how to unlock them

[hoary crag]

ayt

although the main cause for stuff falling into the void is the crucible, right?

or is it the belts?

[scenic swift]

its not just crucible though cause we get loses in valley 4 to

[hoary crag]

or is there no way to know as of now

[pulsar sail]

we tested a lot above, belts, pipe, no loss during transfer while offline

[hoary crag]

losses in V4 are very rare tho

compared to wuling losses

[crude nebula]

all recycle stations already lvl 4? also the regional shop?

[pulsar sail]

I'm trying to find a breakpoint, so far it's between 150 and 175 input you lose 1 output

and if I find it, i'll try x4 to see if it the same when input 500-600 and losing 4

[rugged nimbus]

I don’t have the regional shop unlocked for wuling and I can’t find the quests? That unlock it

[hoary crag]

if the 99.4% theory is true, then won't it be 3 losses every 500?

[pulsar sail]

not sure if there is quest, it's a rabbit to talk to

[marble yarrow]

this packaging unit has almost same problem with crucible

[crude nebula]

you must at least complete the 1 phase of the story

iirc

[scenic swift]

but I still lose things in valley 4 so if its not actually eating anything its just a drop in output speed? has anyone actually tested if it eats items in valley 4?

[rugged nimbus]

I’m pretty sure I’m done the first part of the wuling story

[crude nebula]

2nd then, have try it?

because the regional shop is on the 1st map in wuling they something valley

[pulsar sail]

maybe the packaging / filling unit have the same issue of eating material while offline as the crucible

[marble yarrow]

problem is even separated the packaging unit

[scenic swift]

hmm yeah it could just be packaging and filling units

[marble yarrow]

you can see how mine only directly gets from depot

[hoary crag]

I feel like this channel had been more focused on understanding the mysterious void rather than discussing actual setups lmao

and I'm into it

[lusty violet]

99.5% efficiency tbh thats pretty good, belt slowdown could account for the rest

[rugged nimbus]

How many chapters are out right now for wuling?

[pulsar sail]

160->159,
155 next

[scenic swift]

the machines arent even getting paid they work for free so if they dont eat anything when nobody is looking how can they even survive?

[marble yarrow]

yeah i feel like, separating the packaging have made the slowdown not compound with the reactors

[pulsar sail]

the setup for the test

[lusty violet]

cool, im gonna try that next
started testing different setups.. first one clocked in at 82% offline efficiency

[pulsar sail]

and yes I tried withou belt, replacing them with splitter, no difference

[vale topaz]

wonder if these desync is actually caused by time difference between our pc logout time and server global resource 'tick' time

[crude nebula]

The latest is 3rd, with cuprium introduction (SC battery RDM 7+)

[scenic swift]

thats what I said

it loses like 1 second of production

[pulsar sail]

tried that, 4 quit/relog in 20 minutes, I had less loss on a 500 test batch

I had 499 output instead of 497

so it's probably not linked to the login process

[wispy grove]

yow rapid ascent is available on shop

[solid linden]

alright i shaved off 3 of them but i still need 9.5 cause i got one extra farm for my needs

[wispy grove]

what the hell

[iron stratus]

are you doing the split yazhen/jincao syringe thing

because i dont think there's really a way to need an extra farm

[hallow monolith]

I was always wondering why im randomly working on my wuling factory all of a sudden 80's rave music starts playing https://youtu.be/SYptXHMLqac?si=lWg3u-D9c4lauwQJ

[solid linden]

its complicated to describe...

[solid linden]

but ill try anyway

im using this setup to produce xiranite bottles but instead of going with premade refined cuprium im importing raw from aic cause it fits better without needing to rebuild half of my aic

it works by set limit

wait i think i could imrpove this

nah

not without needing to wait for 60k refined cuprium to stack in my aic

so yeah

im sticking with this setup i think

dont wanna make a silk road out of conveyor belts

[final escarp]

Going to need to test on Xircon for the ultimate test I'm so ready for the crucible to just not output the correct amount of Xircon

[vale topaz]

These desync also odd.
I tried clogged the whole xircon line.
Basically freeze the whole process until getting 50 xircon ready to be send via belt into normal depot loader ( not stash ), and all material clogged.
After +/- 18 hours, my xiranite no longer at 50, reduced to 8 something.
Luckily my warehouse xiranite stack is not consumed.... yet.
Want to know what will happen if i let it run again tonight, will my warehouse xiranite consumed by large amount or only the whole xircon line broken.

[uneven aspen]

if I make 5 liquid xiranite that should be 2.5/s into a conduit it should get clogged right?

was thinking a backup liquid xiranite for offline desync may work

[pulsar sail]

mmmh

the issue is do you have enough xyranite input to do that, if the xyranite is destroyed by the server, this won't help

[uneven aspen]

just need to fill the 5th liquid reactor once

it and the conduit's 1,000 liquid is the buffer

is the idea atleast

[vale topaz]

funny enough, when the crucible require water input and jincao / yanzhen, they are not gone
the water outlet for that crucible remain at 500 ( clogged ) ,and the powder remain at 50

x_X

[tawny bear]

i wuz bored so i made a spreadsheet for calculating wuling 1.1 stuffs

[vale topaz]

hmm, i separate my plant loop from yanzhen / jincao stuff.
so my line of y/j is pretty much depot unloader -> shredder -> crucible

[subtle finch]

flashbang

[tawny bear]

funny enough google spreadsheets is the only thing i dont have dark mode on for :v

[iron stratus]

i like the trend of outposts getting bigger every region

[tawny bear]

soon we'll have an outpost the size of an aic

[iron stratus]

but our factory will take all of them

[tawny bear]

5 endbillion talos stocks

[subtle finch]

hear me out, cube aic

[tawny bear]

technically it already is a cuboid if u consider pipes and conveyors can stack

[vale topaz]

.... no the final design is only a rotating belt filled with originium ore.

[final escarp]

Looks like the reactor crucible really is bugged, will try with Xircon

If Xircon is really fewer than expected as well then this deserves some sorryberyls

[subtle finch]

im 9h offline now, will check at 12h, i added plenty of buffers to avoid units resting

[vale topaz]

i did the same, and yes, the xiranite depleted as well

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

[vale topaz]

tonight, i want to try double feed a crucible with xiranite.
so the xircon line only made of 3 crucibles, want to see if things still randomly.... gone.
well, hopefully not destroying my stack of xiranite at warehouse.

[wispy grove]

we already did that test 12 hrs ago

[subtle finch]

if hypergryph would give us 5% bonus output while offline, we'd still complain about the 1% loss

[vale topaz]

hopefully not ._.

[vale topaz]

and the result ? didn't follow since i'm still not running heavily into advanced battery, still waiting till red component reached 58k

[wispy grove]

fluctuations wont stop. even if you force feed it. it only delays sewage build up

[vale topaz]

this xircon line is so cursed...

[final escarp]

I will test with 1k xircon effluent 500 ferrium powder and see how much xircon + sewage it actually produces

[vast iron]

just keep an optional split into smt else

[final escarp]

Just need to prepare the materials

[wispy grove]

which is kinda disappointing tbh. all i can say is just prevent the build up by combining 3 sewage pipes (1 on xircon, and 2 refineries) using converger and split it again into 3(2 for the crucible and 1 on the sewage treatment)

[vast iron]

Removes the sewage buildup but doesnt solve the bug

but its something, i guess

[wispy grove]

that way you can use less treatment plants

[vast iron]

Well not less treatment plants but prevents clogging ig

[wispy grove]

and if the crucible gets build up, it diverts it to the treatment plant

[final escarp]

In the mean time let me produce some jincao tea with all that spare jincao solution I got from all the testing

[vast iron]

but if you use only 1 treatment itl still clog

so you have to dedicate extra energy

[wispy grove]

whats important here is not let your refineries get clogged

[vast iron]

it is

[wispy grove]

the clog will only stay on the crucible

how can i explain this

yeah priority flow

[vast iron]

if crucible clogs more sewage goes down the secondary to the point 1 treatment cant handle it

its just that

[vale topaz]

i just installed fluid tank between refinery and the crucible, so when next time online, just delete the fluid tank and re-add.

[vast iron]

works ig

[wispy grove]

[vale topaz]

well, the sewage not ended up as backpack item, so, just simple delete and re-add.

[vast iron]

its a shame idt you can have true priority flow

only partial

No 1/0 split

[marble yarrow]

i call it sewage escape route™

[vale topaz]

my highest record of offline sewage stack is 300++ unit.

so, a fluid tank capable to store that.
from this xircon mystery whack a mole stuff

[foggy kraken]

pipelines don't require power so I just make the farmland become a fluid tank storage facility... for sewage

[pulsar sail]

the thing with all this discussion about fluctuation, offline bug etc that i find strange, is that I have these issues somewhat, but no sewage buildup at all...

[scenic swift]

there wouldnt be any build up if everything drops equally

[small creek]

holy shit.

[final escarp]

Same I have no sewage buildup and I looped and used from the cuprium

[small creek]

this is lowk embarassing..

[foggy kraken]

Easiest solution is to borrow a ton of purple batteries from Valley with several Thermal Banks until you can figure out the lack of power production

[small creek]

aic fac dweller like me having blackout

[pulsar sail]

I have 4 cuprium that send their sewage to the 4 effluent crucible, loop the output from the 2 xircon back to effluent, and split the excess to the water treatment

[small creek]

oh at least this is still working

[paper magnet]

time traveller moves a relay tower

[dark furnace]

how's it going

[pulsar sail]

I started with 4 treatment for sewage then put them offline once I saw they were useless

[dark furnace]

I just went back gome, scrapped my whole battery production line

[vale topaz]

when the game allow more ..... pollution, might as well call the game as Arknight diabolical

[scenic swift]

and its using all the input just eating part of the output so sewage still wouldnt build up from offline 🤔

[dark furnace]

and build a new one with everything clogged + buffered

except the cuprium

besides that all other input are larger than 1:1

xircon is receiving 1.25/s xircon eff

[marble yarrow]

nah even if you preload xircon reactor with full material it still doin shit

[final escarp]

Both copium produces 60/min
My batt is at 11/min
Right crucible is at 25/min
Left crucible is at 30/min
1st split will split sewage 25/min to crucible and 35/min to out of screen
Out of screen sewage will rejoin back at crucible producing xircon at 27.5/min to make 62.5/min sewage
It will then split to 30/min into left crucible and 32.5/min at the 2 treatment plants

[foggy kraken]

All I know is my batteries stopped producing when my Cuprium hit max storage so then it clogged and stopped producing sewage for me

[dark furnace]

I just checked my graph last time, whenever these was an deficiency at the liquid xiranite, the pump gets bigger and bigger down the chain

[dark furnace]

yea cuprium links to many stuffs

you need to spend the cuprium for yazhen syring

[foggy kraken]

Yeah I started another line to mould and fit and fill Cuprium just to keep the sewage flowing

[small creek]

do yall think it was just belt slow down?

the batteries are getting to the thermal banks when needed

[pulsar sail]

my Cuprium hit max storage == you must use 100% of your cuprium to make bottle and syringe, 4 output of cuprium, 2 input for bottle, 2 input for part, and no more cuprium clogging

[foggy kraken]

Yeah last night I spent all night trying to make optimized lines for yazhen A syringes

[lusty violet]

when was the last time you were in v4?

[small creek]

2 hours ago

the graphs are mad useless now

[hoary crag]

hmm

[dark furnace]

wdym preload? How long the preload lasted

[wispy grove]

Sigh to think i have to screenshot my crucibles everytime i log off just to monitor it is crazy

[dark furnace]

i mean yea i understand you clogged it before offline

[lusty violet]

thats not long enough for me to think it was offline belt slowdown

[dark furnace]

but when you log back in was there any left?

[small creek]

the banks were empty

[marble yarrow]

i let the xircon have 50 effluent and 50 ferrium

i logged in and it has only 5 xircon effluent left

[small creek]

for anyone who wants it

[dark furnace]

how about ferrium?

[marble yarrow]

ferrium still 50, coz i stacked 1.5 belts of ferrium to it

[dark furnace]

alright let me see how my 1.25/s per xircon does

see you in 2 hours

[frozen summit]

Am I doing this right

[marble yarrow]

i'll just let my factory be, im ok with 99.6% actual production

[pulsar sail]

wat

[subtle finch]

yeah, that setup has no margin for error, one bat arriving late will drop your reserves unless you buffer it, but then that will drain slowly too

[rugged gulch]

honestly would not stash the powder itself. Do the plant. cause each sandleaf is 3 powder. Saves you a lot of unloaders and space later on to do the shredding onsite.

[small creek]

should i split my battery usage to somewhere else

1 packager with 3 thermal, another with 2

[marble yarrow]

you should actually do 4 banks in a packaging unit

shouldnt

[subtle finch]

sounds good

[small creek]

its been working for 2 months 🤷

crazy

[dark furnace]

depends how easy it is for you to screencap

[frozen summit]

Yeah that makes sense, but like is the layout good enough or could be better

[lusty violet]

im so confused, 18% of my xiranite just became nothing overnight

[rugged gulch]

Another note is that its bottlenecked. Sandleaf to powder makes 90/m in items. To fully use it you need 3 belts out of the shredder.

[wispy grove]

Logging on and off takes time. Ill probably go online again 8-9 hrs later to be sure that my treatment plant is working properly when my crucible clogs again. If even the treatment plant clogs, insanity it is

[young stag]

there’s something about offline managing that doesn’t work as well

[dark furnace]

just split to one more treatment plant

[hidden temple]

one full output is 3 (planter/seeder) facilities
you've got 6 so that's 2 outputs meaning you should only use 2 shredders

but yeah just stash the plant

[lone pebble]

no seed/pant/plant - seedtoplant-plantoseed / seedtoplant - plant to exit !

[young stag]

plant-seed-plant-whatever facility you have

[frozen summit]

Alr

[lone pebble]

WE cooked him :))

[young stag]

remove these and you’re good

[wispy grove]

Sigh i converge both xircon and cuprium sewage pipes just to use one less treatment plant. And now i have to use another treatment plant when it clogs?

[uneven aspen]

not sure if this is good enough for redundant xireffu . . .

[young stag]

think you also forgot a loop somewhere im not sure

[subtle finch]

bruh, shredder produces 3 sand

[pulsar sail]

1 xircon line needs 3 treatment plant, you can't go below

[young stag]

where are you getting allat sewage??

[hidden temple]

if you do plan on stashing sandleaf dust, one shredder can have 3 output belts so 1 protostash per shredder

[wispy grove]

Nah no im already using 4

[uneven aspen]

4 cuprium refiners+ 3 xircon sewage feedback

crazy idea of adding 1 additional liquid xiranite, xireffu,and xircon as backups
then only use 60 usage on the packaging unit for batteries.

[pulsar sail]

and to avoid clogging, you loop the xircon sewage output back to to the effluent input

[subtle finch]

you also cant take extra plant from the seeder-planter loop

[uneven aspen]

my logic is likely very flawed somewhere,

[young stag]

4 refiners make 2/s and 3 feedback loop makes 3/2s

[shell hinge]

What is the goal of this system?

[lone pebble]

NO CLOG WHAT SO EVER ! sry for caps

[young stag]

5 reactors use 10/2s

[uneven aspen]

people are saying you put idk 500 xiranite into liquid xiranite reactor you get back like 497 offline.

[young stag]

more than what you could make

[shell hinge]

That design will instantly clog when you aren't at maximum xircon production

[subtle finch]

are you at work? why are you building on a website

[uneven aspen]

why break my aic in the base to design

[young stag]

why are you refining cuprium for sewage on site

[shell hinge]

Using pass through?

[young stag]

loads a thousand times faster i guess

actually loading into the aic takes like 30s for me

[uneven aspen]

no idea some offline desync bug.

so my idea is to have an additional reactor making liquid xiranite, just incase the output of liquid xiranite falls

[lone pebble]

lol never :)))

[young stag]

also eats my batteries since i have the game on maximum graphics

[shell hinge]

.... Did you read what I said?

[pulsar sail]

I can confirm, making simple test since this morning, basic water+jincao, 500 expected, 497 out

[subtle finch]

many reasons actually, there's plenty of space in the game still, and you can test it directly

[uneven aspen]

? i have no space.

[shell hinge]

Got a pic of the setup?

[young stag]

i can sense your nationality but i can’t prove it

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-gif-7434634924845802139

[pulsar sail]

I'm trying to find a breaking point of "offline eats my material", it's between 150 and 160 expected outputs to get 1 missing, I'm testing 155 now, i'll post pic when I relog

it's somewhere here above 😉

[lone pebble]

i am at max production ! so still never :)) i burn the + for part`s !

[shell hinge]

If you figure out how it works, I'd be interested to know

[sudden night]

Got a question
Hydro mines can mine Originium and Ferrium too right?

[young stag]

not sure about ferrium

[lone pebble]

i`m listening !!!

[young stag]

but originium yes

[sudden night]

It's time

[pulsar sail]

as far I see, it's a bug of some production II things that eats material while offline, not sure there is a solution for that

[marble yarrow]

yes

[dark furnace]

@marble yarrow 30mins result

[sudden night]

it's time

[dark furnace]

not a single dip

going back to offline for 2hours

[young stag]

dip in what

[uneven aspen]

currently using 80x54 of the main AIC, + 19x14 sandleaf +9x9 aic.

using around 70% of my AIC space. no real area to experiment on.

[final escarp]

Its the man himself!

[dark furnace]

we are testing offline bug

[final escarp]

Tested on PC and mobile both have this bug lol

[sudden night]

The abnormal numbers in the data when you login after a while?

Yea it's still there

[marble yarrow]

you can save up to 110 power if you change all non-cuprium to hydro

[dark furnace]

when you logged off

[final escarp]

No 500 jincao powder + 500 water = 497 jincao solution when you log off

[dark furnace]

battery was hit the hardest because the production chain is too long

[shell hinge]

What are the details of the bug though? Does it result in significant resource efficiency gains?

[pulsar sail]

OK , so 155 expected, 154 out...

[sudden night]

Yep

[young stag]

depletes resources over time due to inefficiencies

that’s what i see people report at least

[pulsar sail]

the setup, as basic as it gets

[sudden night]

WAIT WHAT

[dark furnace]

we need to pay tax to crucibles

[sudden night]

the government needs taxes

To work

[young stag]

oh wait this is a test bench right

for the bug

[final escarp]

No one knows... basically
If you input 500 jincao powder + 500 water, the reactor crucible will only output 497 jincao solution when offline for some reason... occurs also with yazhen, without belts, on PC/mobile and at a lower scale (>150) as well

[shell hinge]

Have you tested this with xiranite? I'm curious how the slow belt bug interacts with this

[dark furnace]

it results in you making stuffs slower and less

[subtle finch]

so both 3 water and 3 powder disappeared?

[final escarp]

Currently about to test it with Xircon but need to prepare the materials

[final escarp]

Yes

[shell hinge]

Also, how are you testing it offline, a single log out? I'd look into logging in and out multiple times

[pulsar sail]

if you put 500 water, 250 plant, you get 497

[final escarp]

Yes I tested with a single log out but I think @pulsar sail has tested with multiple logins

[pulsar sail]

200->199
175->174
160->159
155->154
150->150

[shell hinge]

My immediate thought is that this is a conversation error with transitioning the sim from offline to online

[pulsar sail]

trying 153 now

[dark furnace]

so it's less than 1% loss

[pulsar sail]

for that, no, I did a 500 test and went offline 4 time and relogge, I had 499 output

[dark furnace]

around 0.5%

[young stag]

builds up over time and messes with delicately balanced systems i guess

[dark furnace]

with round up

[young stag]

imagine if you plan xircon usage to 60/60 perfectly and you end up doing 58/60

[shell hinge]

Have you tested a slower setup then, to see if the loss ratio is per time or per recipes processed?

[pulsar sail]

one I get the 15x value where it fails 1, i'll try 60x and see if I lose 4

[subtle finch]

1 liquid xiranite lost should equal 1 sewage buildup then

[young stag]

i forgot which is the input and which is output

[dark furnace]

and xircon made it worse because you go through 5 crucibles total for one xircon

so pretty much just times 5 the deficiency

[uneven aspen]

if i 100% feed a xircon reactor, will it produce 100% output? or not

[small creek]

is 6 SCW 6comp possible

[uneven aspen]

so i need a 3rd xircon redundancy? 💀

[pulsar sail]

yeah but clogging can be fixed with looping, the missing material is an issue of stability and missing bills

[young stag]

there’s definitely something up with production in wuling though

probably clearest in my sc production

[shadow lichen]

How does this look?

[small creek]

but additional reactor means more power, less pwm

[young stag]

usage is perfectly flat but production isn’t

[small creek]

i dont think its worth it tbh

[final escarp]

Don't think it's affected by time given that it's been tested by multiple people who did not standardise the duration offline

[dark furnace]

the ore fluctuation is caused by you capping the depot, which was affected by using them

[final escarp]

But ended with the same result

[young stag]

i can throw aside the ore, what about syringe a and sc?

weird bumps in sc specifically

[dark furnace]

that's what we are discussing about

the belt + crucible bugs

simply put, crucible isn't making things with 100% output

real

OCD

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-gif-24788965

[small creek]

3000 power is 210 battery saved
3050 is 160

by using extra crucible (50 power), you have 50 less battery to sell everyday

[wispy grove]

Yes yess ocd people brainstorming

[vast iron]

the bumps hurt my eyes fr

[dark furnace]

we are doing free QA for endfield

[shell hinge]

Only if you aren't maxing out the outpost, which is easy

[small creek]

if you dont do pwm, then extra crucible will be useful

[small creek]

i mean whether we use extra crucible or not, we're maxing outpost anyway lol

[dark furnace]

but you get more than enough for selling anyway

flat graph however is more annoying

[vast iron]

Bro at this point just make an entire megabase with like optimized sandleaf usage too or smt

[small creek]

guys that is not the point of the discussion..

[shell hinge]

I mean slowing down the production setup. Just being offline longer increases the idle time but not the processing time

[vast iron]

Youre too dedicated to pwoer saving

[small creek]

im saying is it worth it or not from a profit perspective, and its not

but aesthetically? it does look ugly

[dark furnace]

yea

[vast iron]

The more compact the blueprint the more cursed it looks

[small creek]

power saving is good 👍

[young stag]

it slightly pisses me off when i see a chart that’s supposed to be straight but it isn’t

[shell hinge]

Power savings does nothing once you are maxing out the outpost because excess batteries have no use rn

[small creek]

heckerz did u know

[young stag]

this is a factory after all

[vast iron]

what again…

[dark furnace]

but instead of blaming endfield for making the graph looks ugly, we burn our braincells to workaround it

[small creek]

excess batteries for 1.2 🤷

[final escarp]

Hmm don't think this has been done

[small creek]

or... buffer so i can make more components

[dark furnace]

in before they fix the issue in 1.2 and all our work goes to waste

[small creek]

but then theres the separate issue of... what use are those components

[pulsar sail]

arg, I need to remake the 153 unit test... I forgot to set the output

[shell hinge]

Neither of those use cases benefit

[small creek]

#aic-factory rn is just a bunch of non-issues tbh

we dont have to minmax

but we are, for fun

[vast iron]

Aic is just factory addict ranting channel

[final escarp]

We did try with both a double belt input and a single belt input both result in 3 loss though

[dark furnace]

that's what we do when 0 sanity and content

[pulsar sail]

that

[dark furnace]

[small creek]

i have an extra 0.5 water from my YazhenA/JincaoC design

[sudden night]

Having everything in one AIC is fun

[small creek]

im planning to conduit the extra to my ecofarm

[vast iron]

how long did you drag ot

[small creek]

so i can save 10 power

[shell hinge]

Was replying to qyurii, not the bug stuff sry

[final escarp]

Double/single belt input of jincao powder

I suppose we can try varying the water instead

[shell hinge]

Just referring to how power saving is 99.9% useless

[small creek]

power saving is useless, adding crucible for buffer is useless

everything is useless

the usefulness of a thing in this convo is now dependent on what we want, not need

[hidden temple]

inefficiency?!?

[vast iron]

By this logic all of our size optimizing stuff is all pointless, but we do it regardless

not like we dont have free space or smt

[dark furnace]

I am gonna wait and see if this creates flatlines

[wispy grove]

Living is useless

[dark furnace]

5 liquid xiranite + 5 xircon eff

[uneven aspen]

solving problems are fun 👍

[small creek]

i am not looking at this shit

[vast iron]

no one does factory because we hate it lol

we like factory

[shell hinge]

It can be useless but still fun

[vast iron]

holy modulized

[dark furnace]

what do you mean shit who cares about asthetic while testing with numbers,

once it gives flatlines I will rework it to look better certainly

[hallow summit]

I remake this factory vallery

[dark furnace]

I need flatline first

[wispy grove]

Solving tiny fluctuations are stressful but worth it once u finally fix it. But, we were getting there eventually

[vast iron]

MY EYES

[dark furnace]

before spending extra time making it looks good but still shit because it doesn't do shit

[small creek]

I was pinged my guy

[bright nimbus]

Idk if this is answered, but looks like xiranite is used in other facilities that cause sc battery production rate unstable

[small creek]

it is simply my response

who said anything abt getting hurt

[young stag]

xiranite isn’t being used anywhere else though

it all goes to reactors

[vast iron]

its probably a bug

we all experiencing the same thing

[bright nimbus]

That’s weird. Did you connect water treatment per crucible?