aic-factory

[upper fiber]

converger transport 2/s at once, so np

[solid python]

Looks like it does

[marble yarrow]

you could perfectly fit 2 pumps (each producing 1/s of water) into a single pipe then into conduit, to use it farther out into a pipe and split out 4-ways

[subtle finch]

im losing braincells here reading these

[marble yarrow]

yeah some people still dont understand pipes

[solid python]

You can think of it like 2 facilities will send in the 1st second, and then the other 2 will send in the next second, creating a perfect 2 units/s.

[gaunt summit]

alright but lol, so if you converge two pipes

that creates...

How much per second input, into that single pipe

lol

[solid python]

Assume 2 of the facilities are off, the flow will look like 2, 0, 2, 0, 2, 0, ...

[wispy grove]

when you try to cut some outputs just to make a lil bit of components

[gaunt summit]

ignore facilities entirely

because they dont matter yet lol

pump ;;; pump
pipe ;;; pipe
converge
pipe

how much is going into the bottom pipe

lol

[solid python]

As much as the bottom pipe can handle

[nocturne stag]

speed/rate sets cap, but no matter how many items is in the pipe/on the belt it still moves at that constant rate

[bright zodiac]

didnt you read here?

[wispy grove]

the length doesnt matter, it will still pump per sec. even if its kilometers away

[gaunt summit]

well yeah lol

[wispy grove]

wuling pipes are something else

[nocturne stag]

the belt and pipe are the same thing

pipe just moves twice as fast

[gaunt summit]

a pump gives 1/s right XD

or am i just

crazy

lol

[lean frost]

Are they planning to allow for inlets/outlets to maintain connection when its moved within range?

[dark furnace]

i mean the pump formula literally said 1/1s

[gaunt summit]

Who ever clicked on a pump

lol

[upper fiber]

they won't let you comfortable

[wispy grove]

nah belts moves a block per sec

[marble yarrow]

yeah, checks out...

thats why ur confused

[coral orchid]

Err if we related it with Physics irl
Moving goods in land have big friction, that's why it's slow

Moving goods in/on liquid is faster, because less friction happened

[dark furnace]

skipping tutorials be like

[wispy grove]

pipes are instant 1 sec it reaches its destination

[nocturne stag]

😭

[marble yarrow]

rather, 4x

[upper fiber]

flowchart needed, where is the guide

[gaunt summit]

Right ok lol

[uneven aspen]

no sewage clogs 👍

[coral orchid]

While wire / air speed more crazy

[dark furnace]

not really instant, if you have a pipe that so long you will notice it takes time to reach

[lean frost]

No?

[marble yarrow]

yeah it doesnt reach instantly

[nocturne stag]

oh, ye actually 4x I'm getting brain trauma reading this chat lol

[gaunt summit]

lolol

[lean frost]

Pipes take their time to transport the fluid, its just that the whole pipe gets visually filled with color

[marble yarrow]

unless it pushes all water sequentially along the pipe

[gaunt summit]

Nah I get it now lol

I just never bothered looking cause I gave my pipes plenty of breathing room and it always worked

[warped delta]

Do ya'll have nothing better to do than take simple ratios and complicate the fuck out of it? Factorio I could see... but Endfield's babbys first factory formulas?

[marble yarrow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/klohe-klohecreation-2

the "instant" they think

[dark furnace]

what 0 sanity and content does to us

[gaunt summit]

still though lol

[wispy grove]

when ocd keeps you awake at night "my belts are slower by 0.00001% no my head hurts "

[marble yarrow]

(its not instant since i ran one myself)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1482612369589796944/WulingPipeline.mp4?ex=69bc331e&is=69bae19e&hm=c718a6dd0eb658d150d975c788b0d3cc6eb0328e27c10db673c87db1b504696d&

[dark furnace]

the problem with endfield is that their stuffs aren't working with 100% efficiency, it's significant if they adds up with multiple machine in the chain. So we workaround with surplus

the issue is particular annoying for 1.1 because of the sewage

[gaunt summit]

lol is there proof that like... the lack of anything isn't just a 1s start/stop when logging in and out of the game?

[dark furnace]

freaking clogged sewage slowing down cuprium production

[gaunt summit]

where the desync is lol

[dark furnace]

if crucible can use all the sewage 1:1 there wouldn't be any problem

[marble yarrow]

its not only sewage. its every item. you can remove the clogging of sewage alone and it still persists

[dark furnace]

cuprium is producing more than 1:1 sewage while crucible using up less than 1:1 is so annoying

but we solved it with workarounds so maybe wait for devs to fix it

[bright zodiac]

im still super slowlyyyy losing my 58K cuprium

yield 120/m usage 121/s

sometimes usage 119/s
(all 4 into syringe, there shouldnt be any weird shits yet this....)

[warped delta]

1 Xircon reactor backfeeds 1 effluent production. 1 cuprium refinery feeds the other effluent reactor for that line. Repeat for the 2nd Xircon line. Cuprium refinery 3 into a treatment plant. Cuprium refinery 4 into a treatment plant. Run all the cuprium output into loaders or protstorage for the outpost to use for Yazhen. Done. No hiccups. No fuss.

[bright zodiac]

whule theoretical report is exactly 120 120 as well

[lean frost]

Wait what? Don’t they both produce and consume 1 sewage every 2 seconds?

[dark furnace]

on paper yes

[final escarp]

Yeah they pump fangyi bathwater after all

[leaden drift]

my graphs be funky monkey

[dark furnace]

not when you offline

[final escarp]

Just need to find where it's coming from...

[lean frost]

Oh I thought they fixed that. What’s the numbers offline?

[coral orchid]

I am thinking that "What if"

1. Xircone maker became 3 (but not full perform), store in Depot
2. Xiranite Eff maker up it into 3 so stock became more stable
3. Because of number 2, then, we need some buffer like Transporting Sewage back n forth from sub to core and adding 1 more Sewage sources to boot as buffer (Cuprium Component)
4. Xiranite push starter, can use 2 more outlet depot (might seen small deficit in small xiranite)

[dark furnace]

no exact value but you slowly clogs your crucible then cuprium in around 2 days if you directly pump all cuprium sweage into cricible

[warped delta]

Why are you running sewage thru the depot in the first place?

[wispy grove]

Long ago, the 4 factories lived together in harmony. then everything changed when the sewage overflow clogged.

[bright zodiac]

[wispy grove]

[leaden drift]

you dont have sewage overflow protection?

[wispy grove]

i have

[dark furnace]

you won't clog sewage if you are online, it only happens if you are offline for too long

[coral orchid]

Then, do you prefer to run pipes from Wuling City to Jingyu Valley?

[upper fiber]

use protection when offline

[dark furnace]

dump the sewage to landbreaker outposts

[final escarp]

I use the priority flow thing under blueprints for overflow diversion and I've since never had an issue

[leaden drift]

I use this for the one that natually clogs via xirnite being taken out

[outer basin]

What's the alternative?

[gaunt summit]

i mean you can just run a big split into a treatment lol

[dark furnace]

overflow to treament when crucible is clogged

[marble yarrow]

wait it improved??

NO WAYY

[dark furnace]

the goal is to make sure your cuprium refiner doesn't clog with sewage, as long as they are at 0 sewage, you don't need to care about crucible clog

[warped delta]

No... I make the cuprium at the core because that's where the sewage is needed, and depot the ingots to pull them out at the sub. Fitting and Molding Units don't create or use sewage...

[final escarp]

I'm not kidding
https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1482466765459030056
Legit changed my life

[uneven aspen]

yup it works

[dark furnace]

compensating the lost previously

[bright zodiac]

0.74% differentiate

[coral orchid]

[marble yarrow]

the only change i did:

[dark furnace]

ngl i was producing 62 xircon this morning according to the 2H graph, I don't know how the graph calculates its stuffs fr

once I online I go back to 60/m

[outer basin]

So like, if I'm buying out the outpost, is this even worth worrying about?

[final escarp]

With this priority system I created an overflow diversion mechanism whereby once my crucible are full with sewage it will divert to water treatment plant this ensuring my crucible are always full and my copium are always empty from sewage

[bright zodiac]

but if its juat seconds or minute or interval issue but it still somehow close to 100% accurate

[dark furnace]

from what?

where comparison

[marble yarrow]

from this (i replied to this message if u read up)

[gaunt summit]

@dark furnace the graph when you come online is probably cut due to the desync from login lol

[dark furnace]

i mean the layout

[gaunt summit]

and probably corrects itself within 1min

[marble yarrow]

this one, the xircon line is next to the battery production

[dark furnace]

how was it placed previously

[leaden drift]

i like how my layout is looking more and more like an eye

[marble yarrow]

the change i made is i depot xircon and fetch it again

[dark furnace]

were you using protocal stash for xircon

[marble yarrow]

wait im figuring out time-travel to take a previous screenshot

[marble yarrow]

previously it was crucible xircon to packaging directly

now its this

previously it was this

[leaden drift]

im probs gonna make this smaller

[marble yarrow]

time for another 2 hour test

[lapis crane]

hmm top view

[final escarp]

Feel like the devs need to add at least 2 decimal points to all the rate calculations

[marble yarrow]

i'll try adding a liquid xiranite later, to add 1/4 of it to each of the 4 crucibles

[wispy grove]

we gonna die if we saw a pie number /sec

[final escarp]

Don't think this will happen... cos most division is by 2 or by 3

[warped delta]

Still super overkill when all that means is you put 1 treatment after the non-backfed effluent reactor input...

[final escarp]

So most will be like .5 or .25 or .75 or .33 .66 .99

[marble yarrow]

2 decimal places is good enough

[wispy grove]

just sayin

[atomic fiber]

the dev probably use short floating point

16 bit float ahh moment

[warped delta]

All servers run on 1st gen Pentium CPUs /s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug

In typical Intel fashion, their response was "Bah, it's fine. Who cares if the numbers are off a bit...no refunds!"

[final escarp]

Issue arises when u want to produce copium gear parts

Because the copium gear parts don't use sewage so you will produce more sewage than you use with a backfeed mechanism resulting in clogging

[final escarp]

Which is why even though it's overkill, it has to be done sadly

[young stag]

speaking of intel

how are they doing now

[warped delta]

Or you depot the parts and sell the excess...?

The new 200S+ CPUs were just announced. 15% uplift and a few more cores compared to the originals. Not a new gen, merely a refinement of the existing one atm

Final set of CPUs for that socket

Next gen will be their first real competitor to X3D cache afaik

[upper fiber]

will ai take over cpu too

[leaden drift]

ugh

i feel like if fliped my whole layout

it would be more space effiecent

but i built it all already

[lapis crane]

wait… u get lower yield offline?

[leaden drift]

all this space

[final escarp]

As in that's what I'm doing, the issue is that if you produce max rate copium, you will end up with max rate sewage, but because you divert some Xirang for the copium parts, you don't end up consuming max rate sewage which results in sewage buildup
Now this would be simple to solve by diverting sewage into treatment plant, but the only form of diversion we have is a splitter which permanently halves your input which will affect Xircon production if ur not splitting Xirang equally for Xircon and Gear parts in 1:1 ratios (which people won't do cos if not u can't buy out the stock bills)
Also I wanted the flow of sewage to be variable so when I max out on gear parts it can just redirect the sewage back to Xircon production

As in its overkill because I don't wanna rebuild my factory lol

[lapis crane]

just ran the loop
and overflow take to treatment

no clog even fluctuations between enabling component line on/off

[hollow crest]

cooked, I dont think the issue was belt speed

alr covered all belt with mergers

[lapis crane]

why number is weird

[hollow crest]

was testing to see if covering all xircon producing belt with mergers/splitter to solve the offline production bug is from belt speed or not

[lapis crane]

I heard somewhere that offline production is different than online one?

what the cause tho

[hollow crest]

it was not belt speed

[hollow crest]

yea something was up with the entire offline calculation

not just belt speed as someone said yesterday

[lapis crane]

mine is doing fine

[hollow crest]

this is offline stats? what about batteries?

[lapis crane]

2 pics

need to ran offline stat with 120 cuprium

[hollow crest]

same problem, there's no solution to this atm

[final escarp]

I guess this works too i mean it uses the priority flow system thing no?

[lapis crane]

it shouldn’t be problem tho

[hollow crest]

welp I've tried everything, guess we just live with it now

[leaden drift]

fudging the numbers

[lapis crane]

yeah both sewage and xiranite overflow proof build

it should be fine but need throughout testing

[leaden drift]

it actually counts lol

[final escarp]

I mean for me I just added the sewage from the 3rd step to the copium production and then split that between the 2nd step and treatment plants ensuring my rate is always more than or equal to half the rate of consumption in the 2nd step thus ensuring 2nd step sewage consumption always maxed out

[lapis crane]

I did test with 0 xiranite and it work fine

look at where I place excess xiranite for testing

but how the hell cuprium and other ores keep piling up even with 120/120

[lapis crane]

i cant see the picture

[hollow crest]

because it's not bein used fully when u offline

I just realized u set the graph to 10mins, set it to 2 hours or 1d

you will see the inconsistency

unless you've been online ingame for a whole day

[lapis crane]

forgor

ngl the stat is fked up when i forgot i closed sandleaf plant somehow

[hollow crest]

we can still bankrupt the hobo

[bronze vector]

bankruptcy

[wispy grove]

[lapis crane]

I fixed it before 30mins

it should be fine but wait till later

i forgot to turn on sandleaf production

[leaden drift]

has anyone tried this as a way around weird spots?

cause i think it would be interesting to save the depot spot

so i crunch this area even more

as a pass through

[earnest sparrow]

a 6/min yazhen A and 9/min SC bat is enough to make outpost broke

[leaden drift]

well if it allows for both passages

i think it could help make things smaller

fuck

now ima bout to get hella transport belt insane

[marble yarrow]

if you arent using that 9/min SC

[warped delta]

I like the pyramid design for the xircon. Haven't seen that one before.

[marble yarrow]

then 6 yazhen 9 SC is enough

[earnest sparrow]

9/min net SC bat i meant

usually u just do 12/min with 3/min usage

[leaden drift]

thnx

trying to condense it more

[warped delta]

Condensed designs can be neat, but I still like to maintain symmetric aesthetic if possible, and also readability of the design for troubleshooting purposes. Especially since there's no shortage of space atm...

[leaden drift]

oh I still try to make it look nice

[elder thistle]

What happens if you try to converge different liquids using a pipe converger, assuming each liquid has a rate of 0.5/s?

Will they all flow through at the same rate simultaneously or only 1 liquid goes through at a time?

[warped delta]

With this much space after all production, I can't be assed to try turning stuff into maxcompact spaghetti
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/254252059790934016/1484006990802849802/image.png?ex=69bca8b6&is=69bb5736&hm=8b3071d3f1ed5fb1c1bb5d85111763539c9a03bb79885a3627385e5ff17b225d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1604&height=902

[leaden drift]

one of my favorite things

literally works because of xiranite being capped

[analog elbow]

@marble yarrow I woke up to my Power Edger clogged. I thought i broke something but my battery was maxxed out in Depot

[warped delta]

(Although Sky King is like 75% plant production lmao, but at least it's identical modular designs with X-Y-X layout stacked/facing each other into protocol storage)

[leaden drift]

if capped it goes into gearing unit

[marble yarrow]

lmaooo, now we both actually reached clogged SC

[leaden drift]

it also shoots bats to 12

[analog elbow]

I decided to use the good old method of

500 Protocol Stashes

@small creek loves it

[leaden drift]

if xiranite maxed it doesnt get taken out of the battery line

and full sends battery

but if not max xiranite it brings battery production to 10

[small creek]

go away im optimizing alluvium :realmad:

[marble yarrow]

i actually forgot to do that

i just didnt expected that i would actually go offline for 18 hrs

[small creek]

what the fuck.

planters???????

[marble yarrow]

they all spawn inside

[leaden drift]

yuh

[analog elbow]

Yes you can place T2 Buildings

[small creek]

yea but like

[analog elbow]

talking about "Farm"

[leaden drift]

ifrit line

[small creek]

now we are FARMING

[leaden drift]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-ifrit-flamethrower-angry-cute-gif-15613036170836457638

[marble yarrow]

buh

[small creek]

whats the clear time on this btw

[analog elbow]

Bro is cheering them up lmao

[marble yarrow]

marsh is the last one i put down

im still waiting for my 2hr offline

[analog elbow]

Gtg for now. See ya people

[small creek]

bro come here to ragebait me then leave

smh

[marble yarrow]

bro is on a shift maybe

[warped delta]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-gif-14315185

[dark furnace]

@marble yarrow I just did another test, I clogged every input possible, xiranite, sewage, water for the liquid xiranite and xircon eff crucibles. Not just temp clog, but perm clog (capped at 50 before and after login)
Now what I am testing is if I clog 50 liquid xiranite in 2nd crucible. What would happen.

after 12 hours of offline, the liquid xiranite dropped by 5.
Meaning there's actually a deficiency of around 0.0115% for each crucible even when you have abundant of input...

[warped delta]

I heard people bitching about the deluge being worthless, but 1 deluge + 1 marsh completely locks down a lane for the Lv3 defense. It's super funny

[warped delta]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcastic-kirk-gif-20910726

[dark furnace]

the crucible is actually NOT working as intended

that's why you get sewage clog

that's why your xircon is not producing 60/m

[marble yarrow]

yeah it was fun to use in the tower defense

[warped delta]

And how many times has the sewage been split before then introducing floating point errors?

[pulsar willow]

Made a parallel battery thingy

[mighty yacht]

what can i even do with this excess xircon? its not like i have enough oregano to make a 3rd line

[zealous night]

whats the limit of the blueprint

[dark furnace]

bro capped xircon while we are here with 0

[mighty yacht]

its because i spent alot of time reworking my battery line but left my xircon line running

[zealous night]

anyone know y its not letting me save this blueprint?

[wispy grove]

make 3 battery then

[mighty yacht]

too large

split it into 2 BP's

[warped delta]

You could make a solid dent in it with a temp 3rd line since you could dedicate 55 ferrium to it with metatransfer

[tawny bear]

yall ever look at ur factory that u built without blueprints and go "wow, that is a beautiful factory"

[wispy grove]

your "save blueprint" isnt red tho

[shrewd knoll]

if you get rid of the belt bridges, it might be low enough to save it

or at least try to compact them together

so they dont make more facility counts

[mighty yacht]

maybe, but im not really doing comps rn since i dont need any of the new gear sets yet

[small creek]

adding the new turrets in v4 put me at exactly 5.7k

[mighty yacht]

i actually could do the 40k hole, but we'll see

[warped delta]

I liked what I read earlier that if you fill a hole with yazhen liquid, it becomes a healing spring

[shrewd knoll]

does it matter that it heals? you teleporting to it already heals you from the TP

[marble yarrow]

crazy that people just doing this now lmaooo

[warped delta]

It's the principle of the matter /s

[mighty yacht]

this is a real thing?

[mighty yacht]

like it actually heals if you go in it?

[dark furnace]

and you get operator's feet water if you use a bottle to gather the water after soaking in it

-# joking

[small creek]

haruna how much power do u use in wuling again

[marble yarrow]

3100 something

i went 12/min SC

[small creek]

oh

it was what before?

[marble yarrow]

3100 also

[small creek]

also really leaving me alone in 1.5 comp gang 🥀

wtf how even'

[dark furnace]

I gave up edging and went with 2 SC battery

[marble yarrow]

im just experimenting the weird sewage thing

[small creek]

after all the power optimization i did, im still 3.36k

[leaden drift]

managed to condense it further

[marble yarrow]

i'll go back if shi isnt interesting

[mighty yacht]

no ziplines?

[marble yarrow]

31 but only in wuling city

[small creek]

ohh

i have zip everywhere

[mighty yacht]

and only 3100 power? danm

[small creek]

maybe thats the diff

[marble yarrow]

yeah im not collecting the gatherables lmaoo

also no eco farm

[small creek]

oh my eco farm too

[mighty yacht]

same, but i left the sprinklers on

[tame lagoon]

Should I have one hub solely for a battery relay?

[small creek]

lemme calculate what power i would use if no zip and ecofarm

[dark furnace]

I just made my 45th zipline yesterday

[somber briar]

No yazhen syringe?

[dark furnace]

eco farm already costs around 120 if you uses 2 pylon

[small creek]

without zip and ecofarm, im still 3145 power

[marble yarrow]

12 SC 6 yazhenA 2.75 yazhenC

[dark furnace]

130 if 4 pylons

[mighty yacht]

i crafted like 200 ziplines, and i placed like 39 in wul city

[tawny bear]

u gotta have a yahzen [A] to get 12/min sc

as far as imaware it's the only source of sewage :v

[small creek]

i guess you're also doing purity-based hydrorigging

[wispy grove]

to think treatment plant is so energy expensive

[marble yarrow]

did u max the hydro mining? 2 pumps per 2 pairs of locations

[small creek]

that would explain the missing 45

[dark furnace]

bro prepared for v3.0 ziplines

[small creek]

nah i just did 3 spot per pump

[marble yarrow]

yeah that

[somber briar]

And thats 3100?

[marble yarrow]

yeah

[small creek]

i guess we're actually at same power consumption

[mighty yacht]

im gonna bring some over to death stranding 2 when it releases in a few hours

[small creek]

just that i do a little more stuff

[marble yarrow]

actual true

[dark furnace]

speaking of which I hope endfield has vehicles soon

[small creek]

did u see my combined bps?

[dark furnace]

truck/train/bike

[tawny bear]

technically it's 3.2-ish K

[small creek]

they save a total of 135 power but still have max prod

[somber briar]

Zipline is the vehicle

[mighty yacht]

that 16 mil model was the biggest scam of my entire life

i thought it was a real bike

[dark furnace]

the real and only working one was crashed by Perlica

the whole Dijiang only had one bike

[mighty yacht]

Fr fr

[hidden elm]

i built a giant di-

[hardy plume]

should i have mines on all the minerals in the map?

[atomic fiber]

ye

[tropic gale]

Why the balls tiny

[hardy plume]

i'm new isn't a waste of power if i'm not going to use the excess ores ?

or will i be able to use all the ores generating when i max all outposts?

[tropic gale]

There will be more than enough power to use

[atomic fiber]

you will be able to generate more than enough power for mines. also normally you should use all the ores

[pulsar sail]

not 100%, but you still need to put mines to evolve the rating of the zone development

[tropic gale]

More mines = more regional development points

[hardy plume]

oh isee

what is considered a high authority level?

[tropic gale]

Que?

[hardy plume]

its out of context but i'm just wondering as i'm AL51 and barely in wuling

[pulsar sail]

57/58 is "normal" if you play since the beginning daily without hard core sanity usage or $$

[hardy plume]

still trying to catch all the minerals and maxing all areas

gotcha ty

[ruby sorrel]

okay the offline problem is huge with whatever my factory is doing.... 8.85/min offline out of 10.5/min online

might as well delete everything and start over

think it'll run better if I move half the stuff to outpost?

[hardy plume]

optimal for valley 4 is HC battery or SC i'm currently crafting SC and using that as it takes less space

[pulsar sail]

lauching the game rn, was offline 12 hours

i'll see

[hexed scroll]

How do I increase facility and logistics limit

[hardy plume]

if you mean amount the base can hold its thru depot nodes

[hexed scroll]

I'm trying to build something with a blueprint and it keeps saying "facility and logistics limit reached, please remove some"

Something along that lines

[hardy plume]

oh idk how to increase that

this happens when u have too much stuff placed

for example in valley 4 u can have up to i think 80 facilities

[pulsar sail]

@ruby sorrel I have 5162 syringe, 6/min, thats 14h15, which would match when I went offline yesterday

[hexed scroll]

How do I check the linit

[ruby sorrel]

yeah I'm trying to figure out why my offline production is so bad

[pulsar sail]

do you use a power management to time / delay the usage of batteries?

[ruby sorrel]

maybe doing yazhen solution in the liquid xiranite reactor just doesn't work

no I'm on 3365/3400 power

[pulsar sail]

mhh

[tame lagoon]

I started yesterday and really wanna get on top of aic.
I’ve already gotten every single mining area hooked up in the first 5 areas, I have the valley set up as a garden farm to max out healing and mats for trading, and then I have my main hub as a thermite farm and battery farm (860 power rn).
What should I be making my third hub area be, rn I just have it grinding random things 😭

[hexed scroll]

How do I check the limit

[ruby sorrel]

guess I just have to eat the 50 power from another reactor

[shell jewel]

A 3 reactor line is enough xircon for a .5 SC battery right?

[hardy plume]

try going out of the PAC/sub base and placing a relay

[unborn iron]

Im so lost about this one (trying to make new wuling batteries)

[azure sparrow]

you're trying to output 4 diff liquids with 1 crucible that only has 2 outlets

[ruby sorrel]

yeah it won't use liquid xiranite (output) as an input

[dark furnace]

@marble yarrow @wispy grove these offline charts are really funny

i was producing 122 xiranite per minute

in the past 30min

[unborn iron]

How on earth i got 4 diff kinds where the input like gives only 2 like im so confused of how i got 4

[marble yarrow]

im producing 62 in 1.0

[pulsar sail]

hmm I made a simple delay, works fine for 4.5-4.7KW

[azure sparrow]

effluent stuff recipes are xiranite and sewage and its on your 1 crucible

you need to separate them

[unborn iron]

Doesnt it need sewage water and clean water just to make uhh light green water (forgot the name)

[wispy grove]

sigh my charts are cooked. i fixed my sewage, i used your ideato combine looping sewage with 2refineries

[pulsar willow]

yeah reactor crucibles can make 2 recipes at once

[wispy grove]

[pulsar willow]

and you accidentally mixed sewage with liquid xiranite

[small creek]

ern

[shell jewel]

Oh, I'm more talking about setting up another xircon line but at half the ratio to drop my LC battery line in place for a SC battery line at .5 without overcapping on Xircon

[pulsar sail]

Reactors cant make 2 recipe if they output 3 liquid

[wispy grove]

me trying not to lift my hand up whenever i see this in my factory

[unborn iron]

Hold on im dead lost like damn

[pulsar willow]

evil shuriken

[pulsar sail]

this recipe can't be mixed with anothe one

[wispy grove]

it takes 4 slots to do that recipe

there are only 5 slots

[hexed scroll]

It says 3/50

[unborn iron]

Ok imma try one more, it literally take me 1h just to figure it out

[hardy plume]

odd idk then try looking it up

[hexed scroll]

In the map I have 17/100 protocol capacity

[pulsar willow]

just remove sewage from the liquid xiranite crucible

[pulsar sail]

ho I see, strange, I have 4 xircon producing line, that use 100% of output for 2 battery maker, I don't have a 0.5 spare

[pulsar willow]

and make a separate pipe for that

[hexed scroll]

That's... Why I'm here...

[shell jewel]

Yeah, I was trying to find a .5 xircon line so I could keep my xiranite flowing to components

[dark furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-1343162792415382650

[azure sparrow]

u only have to keep in mind you want atleast 5 crucibles to make xircon and u'll be good to go

[pulsar willow]

are there any bugfixes coming for the funny offline production numbers?

[wispy grove]

none yet

[pulsar willow]

(mildly infuriating)

it's a game about numbers

[wispy grove]

cant help it, the tick rate is just

[pulsar sail]

I just check when loggin in, I have the correct number of syringe A produced after 14h offline, so I don't know

[dark furnace]

fyi crucibles are only working at 99.9988%, meaning you lose 1 for every 2600 xircon while you offline

[pulsar willow]

servers can't keep up and make more actions in one tick than they must?

[final escarp]

Sewage pipe goes out of pic and comes back into pic on left side

[unborn iron]

Now this sewage water aint coming from the conduit outlet

[pulsar sail]

what sewage? it says 0, you are not producing anything

[wispy grove]

thats inert bro

[dark furnace]

?

[pulsar willow]

why did it suddenly dip lol (2 hour period)

[pulsar sail]

omg why is my discord replying to the wrong person, sorry @dark furnace

[wispy grove]

cause he trollin

[dark furnace]

server ticks

[pulsar willow]

it's genius

[wispy grove]

so clean then poof

lemme lower that real quick

[dark furnace]

tang tang broke it

[final escarp]

Wait sorry where can I find the source for this i need to know thanks

[pulsar willow]

did she put a wuling battery into shredder again

[ruby sorrel]

wait my 2h graph says 10/min, but my depot numbers come out to < 9/min lmao so even the reporting is completely broken

[pulsar sail]

my guess is they reboot/do maintenance, and the liquid/belts are deleted

[azure sparrow]

you got to switch sewage into innert

[dark furnace]

self test
#aic-factory message

[pulsar willow]

you yield 10 but use 1

it's correct

if you feed your thermal banks right from the battery production it won't register as stored

[final escarp]

Is it truely not at 100% efficiency or is it just desync each time someone logs on/off (i.e 100% efficient offline but desync on logging in/out causes loss)

[ruby sorrel]

losing like 10% to offline though

a bit more than 10%

[pulsar willow]

wait am I stupid right now

yeah I am

or am I

[pulsar willow]

how many xiranite do you use on components?

[dark furnace]

that was an uninterrupted 12 hours offline

test

[ruby sorrel]

idk maybe Im' being stupid instead

taking 15/min xiranite on other lc+comps

[pulsar willow]

yeah it means that you produce 10.5 per minute

[ruby sorrel]

yeah so I should have 9/min gain

[marble yarrow]

shitty ass micro bumps in my 2hr

[ruby sorrel]

I'm at 8.8 instead

[pulsar willow]

yield != gain

[ruby sorrel]

has it always been that bad

[marble yarrow]

its good in 30

[pulsar willow]

ah

[ruby sorrel]

that's over 10% loss

[unborn iron]

Inner? Why tho

[ruby sorrel]

or I can't math

idk

[final escarp]

As in not saying the length of time but rather could this be the case?
Start test >> go offline (output loss due to desync) >> offline (100% efficiency) >> relog back after x amount of time (output loss due to desync) >> net decreased efficiency

[marble yarrow]

it crapped itself 2 times in 2hrs

[ruby sorrel]

it's just really noticeable with SC because xircon is much slower than orig cubes

[marble yarrow]

it should, maybe

[ruby sorrel]

always coming back to completely backed up everything but xircon

[pulsar willow]

yeah it dips for me somehow as well lol

now it's normal

[dark furnace]

the only thing mattered in the test is the amount of liquid xiranite produced by first crucible VS the liquid xiranite remained in 2nd crucible. Under abundant supply of other resources.

The result shows the supply of liquid xiranite is not enough to cover the consumption of it. Either becuase the 2nd crucible is using it faster, or the 1st crucible is producing slower.

But we already know that 2nd crucible also isn't producing xircon eff with full efficiency, so it's the latter (1st crucible is producing slower.).

[pulsar willow]

I can change it to english if you are having trouble with cyrillics lol

[unborn iron]

Well i got sewage water from refiening (fluid) and into the input then i connect the input to output and it connext to crucible

[final escarp]

Sorry mind sharing the setup so I can have a look too? Thanks

[ruby sorrel]

nah when mine dips it's missing a few bumps from the usual zigzag

not like that big dip

[wispy grove]

at this point if we cant stop the sewage overflow, the best case would be using sewage priority

[pulsar willow]

then we have different problems with tickrate?

maybe there are factory setups that make everything lag less?

[dark furnace]

i intentionally clogged the sewage for 2nd crucible to provide abundant resources to test only the liquid xiranite

keeping the sewage a constant

[wispy grove]

i mean you can just converge both then split it up to 3 like i did

lesser splitter use

[ruby sorrel]

my only limiting on SC is ferrium now cus I don't trust the reactors anymore

[dark furnace]

loggin in and out should not desync as much as 5 units

if only 1 to 2 units I would understand

[pulsar willow]

I just use conduits as buffers

1000 liquid buffer is nice

[final escarp]

@dark furnace hmm as in because we tried with jincao powder as well and the efficiency we got was 99.4% with 500 jincao and 500 water ... but it doesn't make sense for it to have variable efficiency which is why I was thinking it was more due to desync

U got 99.998% right

[dark furnace]

yes, 99.998 provided that you have all the input clogged

should be worse if you aren't clogging input

because belt bug exists

[pulsar willow]

saddam hussein is hiding in my factory review...

[final escarp]

Hmm would you be able to share the setup though?

[ruby sorrel]

missing production cycles in the offline calc maybe? say if your input is empty for 1 tick it ends up being 10 ticks or w/e in the offline calc

[young stag]

entrance hidden by bricks and rubble

[ruby sorrel]

somehow hitting liquids very hard

[dark furnace]

not rn can't open game

[final escarp]

I would like to retry it as well maybe on a smaller/larger scale because I find it strange the crucible can have variable efficiency

[dark furnace]

I am also testing another offline setup

[pulsar willow]

by ferrium and originium

[ruby sorrel]

you know if the efficiency changes if you're in empy outpost vs busy main aic?

I will absolutely run a 2000m long pipe if it's more efficient

[dark furnace]

the setup is easy, just feed two xiranite into 1 st crucible, clog sewage in 2nd crucible, then clog the liquid xiranite until full, connect the 2nd crucible to xircon and go offline.

make sure you are permanently clogged water, xiranite, and sewage

[final escarp]

Hmm ok but it's hard to discuss efficiency without knowing how much of each input was originally used do you happen to have the figures?

Cos when we tested we used 500 jincao powder + 500 water >> 497 jincao solution when offline giving us 99.4% efficiency

[dark furnace]

2/2s xiranite, 0.75/s water, 0.55/s sewage

[pulsar sail]

How did you measure 500 water?

[dark furnace]

i mean you could just go with 2, 1, 1 if you want to test

as long as it's more than they consume

[final escarp]

Fill a fluid tank with water

[dark furnace]

actually pretty good test

[pulsar sail]

ok, so you didn't take in account the qtt of water stored in the pipe

[dark furnace]

I can scale it up and go offline longer

[final escarp]

Sorry what do you mean by pipe the 500 in the fluid tank has no pipes?

[dark furnace]

water don't stay in pipe after pump

and as I assume they test it with enclosed fiuld tank so no more input. And all output into crucible

[pulsar sail]

pipes have quantity, i'm making a test right now

[viscid plover]

we getting scammed by offline calculation smh my head

[dark furnace]

the quantity just means how much water they can hold, it doesn't affect the flow

[final escarp]

Yes but we didn't start with any pipes

[pulsar sail]

ok

[dark furnace]

they surely have another set of formula to calculate our production when we go offline

[pulsar sail]

they actually "hold" a quantity

[viscid plover]

amazing work btw to even think of experimenting with all these
not that it matters to most people

[pulsar sail]

played too much satisfactory not to care 😄

[viscid plover]

[pulsar willow]

as much as I would have wanted to say "nice"

it's not that nice

[viscid plover]

agree

[dark furnace]

it's only fulfilling my curiosity when there's 0 insanity and content

[viscid plover]

thanks for sharing with the class then, it's good to know regardless

[marble yarrow]

now i added a ferrium powder belt line that splits for 2 xircon crucibles.

also added 1 crucible that produces 30/min xiranite liquid, and gives 7.5 each to the 4 reactors

2 hrs wait again

[pulsar sail]

filling 500 unit of water for testing, that's long 😄

[dark furnace]

my original xircon crucible has ferrium powder capped already. Probably because powder production speed is faster than xircon eff (2x crucible)

under the effect of bad crucible + offline bugs

including desycn

why couldn't they just make production lines absolute values

or make it so when you chain up a production, the game considers it as one production

and make it so anything between is just visual

[upper fiber]

w/o extra xircon the graph won't be smooth sigh

[final escarp]

Ok repeating the 500 jincao test without belts in case the desync happens with belts

@gaunt summit

[jovial breach]

guys how do you split xiranite in battery production without sewage getting clogged and it creates a feedback loop

[pulsar willow]

you can only reduce the sewage being used by splitting it numerous times, or create a buffer

[upper fiber]

btw, is that exploration day event need to be done every day or can binge clear?

[pulsar willow]

what event?

[jovial breach]

hmm so like you split the sewage instead, and use another treatment unit for the excess sewage?

[upper fiber]

oh not asia

[pulsar willow]

yeah 1 more hour I guess

[pulsar willow]

yes

[rain schooner]

theres still an issue with the aic factory man

[jovial breach]

it's literally just craft food and submit for rewards

[rain schooner]

my cuprium ore is increasing slowly while im offline when Im using 120/120

[jovial breach]

isnt that a good thing

[nova lodge]

looking good thus far for copium stuff, a bit annoying to manage the sewage water stuff though.

[rain schooner]

No

Itll eventually get capped stopping all my systems

[jovial breach]

it's not lol, if it's capped the rigs will just stop sending

[upper fiber]

uh ore can't mess up your system

[rain schooner]

.....

[jovial breach]

[pulsar willow]

I've seen people split it like, 5 times? so you get something a little bit less than 1 sewage per mitute on the output

[rain schooner]

bruh the sewage and stuff will stop

Its already happened to me before

[jovial breach]

or you mean it's slowly decreasing?

[upper fiber]

i think he mean 'cuprium' w/o 'ore'

[rain schooner]

No...my yield and usage is 120/120 right? So it should remain at say 5k ore. When i log off for a while and come back on, itll say I have 5.1k. Does that make sense?

yeh i know but I shouldnt need to do that and this makes it so Im forced to log in regularly

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

i have a better solution

[shell jewel]

not the best factory, but it works... I feel like I should still be clearing my bills every day

[wispy grove]

the overflow is inevitable but you can divert the excess to the treatmentpant

[jovial breach]

ok but i still dont see what having ore capped have to do with this?

[scenic swift]

it wont stop everything they are using like 99.7% when offline, when you are full the yield will drop to 99.7% and the usage will be 99.7%

[pulsar willow]

just make a buffer guys... you can go like a week without clearing it up if you use conduits

[wispy grove]

1 per min is wild bro

oh thats c

nvm

[scenic swift]

and when you arent full that little bit thats not used is slowly filling you up

[jovial breach]

where did the numbers come from?

[wispy grove]

its an estimate

[shell jewel]

yeah, just my last 30 ferrium splitting between parts/bottles for a small line since the ferrium isn't used elsewhere

[jovial breach]

therefore cuprium also capped in the refinery
what how?

[scenic swift]

its based on looking at the largest output to calculate the actual loss rate

because you cant see rounded numbers in the graph

[jovial breach]

are you not using refined copium

[rain schooner]

It'll stop the sewage from being made. Lol I already said its happened to me before. Nvm tho

[jovial breach]

or the man has some cursed set up that stores the refined copium

[rain schooner]

The point is there's delay in the system from offline to online lol

[jovial breach]

idk from experience splitting your production will create a room for malfunction

[rain schooner]

Desync I think others here called it

[pulsar willow]

sorry guys it's a bit off-topic... but I finally got an essence for Yvonne

[rain schooner]

That doesn't mean its not an issue?? It should be fixed

[jovial breach]

i just got tt essence, farming rossi essence now

[pulsar willow]

wish you luck!

[timid gate]

how many reactor crucible do you need to make xircon at full efficiency

[pulsar sail]

ok, test setup ready, i guess 500, 2s each, i'll go offline 17 minutes and check how much jincao solution I get

[shell jewel]

5

[timid gate]

ic ty, I just made a new wuling mega factory design by myself, and like this is what I came up with for 1 xircon production line at full efficiency

[pulsar sail]

that's what was said above, 99.4% output, just testing

[wispy grove]

i think i did it yall

nvm i didnt

[scenic swift]

if you overload all outputs while maintaining the ratio you can theoretically force offline to stay 100% efficiency

[pulsar sail]

you manage all the left part and 5 crucible with only 1 water treatment?

[timid gate]

3 water treatment

[pulsar sail]

ah nevermind, I didn't the 2 treatment at the top, they are connected to the left, ok

[timid gate]

yea I wanted to make it as compact as I could, and I didn't want to just copy someones design

I chose to build 12/min batteries, 6/min syringe A, and HC V4 batteries for a power output of 4.5k

[coral orchid]

If staying online, everything stable
But it will not be when offline....
Weird

[nova lodge]

its nice to know that xircon effluent discardges sewage once xircon is made.....

[coral orchid]

because this one already untouched but online for

[hoary crag]

I think it's due to how belts/pipes work when offline

although no one knows exactly how it works since ofc, we're not in the game

[scenic swift]

example: Valley 4 over 7 day period without any factory changes: 1080 theoretical is only 1076, actually it should be between 1075 and 1076 according to the dip in the graph but rounding up to 1076. So just calculate that 1075/1080= 99.5% 1076/1080=99.6%. So the actual effeciency should be around 99.6% for ferrium ore, if all resources are being used theoretically, the ratios of loss for everything else can't be lower then this either.

[coral orchid]

And when online, everything is okay

[hoary crag]

even my 6/min SC wuling battery line becomes 5/min when offline

[coral orchid]

weird

[hoary crag]

but when online, everything becomes stable

[timid gate]

not really useful, cause we have a total of 6 sewage outputs (4 from the cupprium refinement and 2 from the xircon production), but only 4 inputs ( 1 each for 4 effluent production), so you'll have to discard the remaining 2

[coral orchid]

for now.... I hope this will not messed up

[scenic swift]

yes its just 5.xx cause its rounding down

[hoary crag]

there was this one time I decided to add a fluid tank to my sewage line (which is already stable when online) just to prevent clogging when offline

the next day when I woke up and checked

it has like 200+ sewage in it

[coral orchid]

Wow

Different in my case then

Somewhat my Sewage is gone nowhere

[nova lodge]

it allows for modular single xircon rock production blueprints though.
but yes, having excess sewage output atm and they are going to the treatment plant.

[timid gate]

yea, you need like 3 treatment plans for each max eff xircon prod line

[hoary crag]

then decided to add a second one (the one between the crucibles) so that I have a much bigger window to manually clear sewage before it clogs

[pulsar sail]

1 for sewage, 2 for inert thingy

[timid gate]

okay, so i hear yall talking about this, but is a 0.5% drop in effieciency even that important?

[nova lodge]

i just use 2
relooped one of them back for xircon effluent production.

[hoary crag]

short term? no.

but over the course of a few weeks/months? depends ig

[timid gate]

I have 2 treatement plants just to clean excess sewage

[scenic swift]

If you want to find out how much you actually lose you can count how many batteries you have before you log out, and note the time then come back the next day see what the number is. Subtract current amount - pass amount to get the total production during that time. Calculate the produced amount / time to see what the actual efficiency was. Im to lazy to test this.

[shrewd knoll]

the small amount doesnt matter, you are already net positiving if you are using all the mined resources

and eventually hit the depot limit

[scenic swift]

as for the sewage clogs there are blueprints that solve that problem

[hoary crag]

also am I the only one who feels scammed thinking the new supply event would have us build stuff with the AIC?

[nova lodge]

well, it can be fairly annoying trying to balance 2 component in a single production line a the same time while trying to perform modification, that's for sure.

[timid gate]

This is what mine looks like, there is a bit of overlapping in the 2 pictures

battery production and syringe production are handled above the depot bus

[shell jewel]

with making components and syringes, what's the rate on those that you're getting?

[scenic swift]

I prefer 1.5 Comp its easy to just split a xirinite line in half

[shell jewel]

that's what I'm doing.

[pulsar willow]

I split a line in half and then feed that to the components. I don't need that much anyway.

[timid gate]

I get 1.5 comps per min on each when I turn them on, each of those comp production lines reduce the battery production by 1.5/min, i reckon syringes will also drop by like 1/min

[hoary crag]

I have to say that actually looks good

I have everything here except a sandleaf planter and my syringe lines (both in sub-pac)

[shell jewel]

I have everything here except for my thermal banks due to item limit lmao.

[pulsar willow]

unintentional evil shuriken

[hoary crag]

wait how did you even reach item limit

😭

[pulsar sail]

Well well well...

it didn't even need to take 2 tests

[scenic swift]

1.5 comp / 10.5 batteries, you have unused originium for an extra 400 power (assuming when you wont use any for xiranite comps) while not needing to min/max to much to run on a single 1.5 battery powerplant

[pulsar sail]

yes

[shell jewel]

VERY easily lmao

[pulsar sail]

I'm re-running the test online

[pulsar willow]

item limit? you mean a structure limit?

the 512 one

[shell jewel]

yeah

[timid gate]

I just used metastorage to bring in 1500 dense originium powder from v4 to wuling and make the hc v4 batteries (not at full efficiency, more like 25% percent efficiency), and I have a 4500 power output

[pulsar sail]

don't forget to set up the protocol stash to storage mode

my next test will be to alt+f4 and reopen the game multiple time

[pulsar willow]

yeah it's really easy to reach 512 capacity limit, especially if your factory is rich with conveyor/pipe bridges, splitters and convergers...

[upper fiber]

that's why i placed the basic production ones on jingyu

[hoary crag]

btw I actually don't understand the gimmick of having protocol stashes in storage mode

[scenic swift]

that's interesting so the server just ate 1.5 out of 250?

[hoary crag]

like what do ya'll use it for?

[rocky niche]

how did this one guy do this? (i just grabbed photo from reddit)

[pulsar willow]

set quantity of items used to see the graphic better

[scenic swift]

and this number comes out to 99.4% exactly 🤔

[rocky niche]

that ratio is like germs. not 100% killed

[pulsar sail]

gonna try to see if it is 100% when online first

then i'll try to see if it is -3 for each logout/login

20min/test though

[hoary crag]

some trick using some operators iirc, it's already patched tho in 1.1

[unique plover]

is there enough resources for 3 SC bats production lines?

[pulsar sail]

no

[pulsar cypress]

Nop..

[pulsar willow]

in wuling? No

[unique plover]

so only 2 full power SC lines?

[vestal tiger]

Ja

Not enough cancer rock and polluted water

[pulsar sail]

exactly for 2 lines, not one drop left

[unique plover]

so this is optimal?

[vestal tiger]

Ja

Usage no

Yield yes

[pulsar sail]

you use a bit much

[unique plover]

idk why usage is 3

[vestal tiger]

2 is more than enough

[hoary crag]

waiting for the day the game blesses me with a zipline that somehow managed to make its way up there

saw someone from NA/EU with one and it gives the best view of the factory

[unique plover]

im only using one

[unreal crater]

that's theoretical right?

[vestal tiger]

One thermal bank?

[unreal crater]

you in asia? i have that

[pulsar sail]

how many thermal bank and power usage?

[hoary crag]

yup

[unique plover]

YEAH

oops

[vestal tiger]

Oh

That's idd

[unreal crater]

Just a sec, lemme log in, I have 3 mountain peak ziplines

[scenic swift]

99.4% accuracy while offline? Coincidence? I think not.

[pulsar willow]

so one egg gives 2 perlicas?

[unreal crater]

i have these 3, which one you want?

[rocky niche]

is that wuling? i got one but not the mountain wall with waterfall. it's on the mountain wall going to farm

[unique plover]

can the sewage of the third reactor be used on the second?

for self sustain

[pulsar sail]

yes but that won't be sufficient

[unique plover]

its gonna run out?

[pulsar sail]

you should use mergers and loop the output

[hoary crag]

the second and third would be nice, but if I can get to 2nd from where I'm at in 3rd, then I'll take 3rd

[shrewd knoll]

not specifically for the second one

[pulsar willow]

does it really matter though, you have to dispose of it anyway

[unique plover]

no u use them for bats

[shrewd knoll]

you asked it in a way that was very specific and it would work

you supply the first one, the second one is supplied entirely by the third one

[unreal crater]

oh yea, you can get to the 2nd by jumping down from the 3rd.
so 1st and 3rd?

what your uid btw

[hoary crag]

I already have first, game gave it to me like last week

[tame lagoon]

Guys is 2.2k power overkill for early game

[unique plover]

the first one doesnt produce sewage tho

[pulsar willow]

but you are left with 60 sewage/min anyway, which you must send to treatment

[unreal crater]

sent FR

[pulsar willow]

or you want to make a temporary 3rd batt production

[tame lagoon]

Can I also add? 🫣 I don’t have anyone added and I only started today

[final escarp]

ok my repeat test shows it's the belts responsible

[unreal crater]

Valley-4?

[hoary crag]

yeah sure go ahead

[tame lagoon]

I started today I have absolutely no idea what that means

[final escarp]

Offline test yields 500 without belts

[hoary crag]

accepted

[dark furnace]

oh you aren't the one sharing

sry

[final escarp]

@pulsar sail thus we can conclude that it's the belts causing the desync

[unreal crater]

sent FR too

[dark furnace]

oh wait you are

[pulsar sail]

you stuck the facility together?

[final escarp]

My setup

[dark furnace]

[unreal crater]

sent

[pulsar sail]

yeah that's what I'm suspecting, when login out, the game don't save the thing in transit

[final escarp]

I used splitters as you can see in the image

[tame lagoon]

My uid is 4868188054 if anyone wants to add 🙏

[spark hedge]

Xircon 30/min x2

[dark furnace]

accepted FR

[final escarp]

Makes sense

[unreal crater]

you want zip too?

[scenic swift]

interesting so we just need to make everything without belts

[jovial breach]

Would be better if you can make it vertical 60/min xircon

[unreal crater]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1473451869044084890/1476484072896462908/Picture1.png?ex=69bcf9f2&is=69bba872&hm=3905a682e3c639e9057dc08693407bb95aff8c1edff8db013ce17d00b7086334&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1101&height=1262

this my wuling OOBs

[final escarp]

Think ur right thus we can conclude the machines are all working properly accept the belts

[unique plover]

can i get problems down the road with this?

[dark furnace]

the two at the top left please thanks

[scenic swift]

could it possible just toss all the things in belts directly to the warehouse? so they arent actually deleted

[pulsar sail]

online I got a 100% output

[unreal crater]

aight. might be out of share attempts btw

[dark furnace]

np

[pulsar sail]

making a third try but I will exit the game a few time

[jovial breach]

Man is gambling

[unreal crater]

ah goddamit, i was right

i'll send tomorrow

[dark furnace]

thanks

[pulsar sail]

I got 500 output when I stayed online for the 500 run

[unreal crater]

if possible, just ping me if I forget

[pulsar willow]

if they are both 15 flow rate then no

[jovial breach]

Spam his dm in game@dark furnace

[pulsar willow]

mine works like a charm

[unique plover]

wait why is 6/2 now

[jovial breach]

Rounding

[pulsar willow]

becase it uses 1.5 batteries per minute

sometimes it will be 1, sometimes 2

[unique plover]

so this is optimal?

[pulsar willow]

yes

[unique plover]

oh ok then

i sleep

[pulsar sail]

40 sec/battery so it's rounding

[scenic swift]

and if things in belts are lost while going offline? what happens to things in pipes?

[pulsar sail]

I guess pipe is the same

[unique plover]

u guys think i need another source of water?

[pulsar sail]

I'm going to try loging in and out in the next 20 min to see if that goes below 497/99.4%

[unique plover]

am i splitting too much?

[hoary crag]

@unreal crater it's so beautiful I could cry

[unreal crater]

[scenic swift]

so the more you log out the more you lose

[pulsar sail]

and if you setup the sewage output to feed a reactor down the chain, that reactor won't work for a few cycle

[upper fiber]

how you guys logoff, alt+f4?

[pulsar sail]

that needs to be tested, result in 10 minutes 🙂

[ancient pier]

Just imagine what we need for HC Wuling Batt

[pulsar sail]

usually yes but for the previous test where I got 99.4% output, i specifically use the leave game option

yeah but you can have 4 reactors now 😄

[thorn pike]

for 16gb of ram and below i suggest NOT

there will be a ram spike if you altf4

for some reason

[unique plover]

is this also optimal?

[pulsar sail]

are you producing components?

[unique plover]

yeah

both greens and reds

[nova lodge]

so.....my setup somehow have an excess bottle production (due to compenent production annoyance)
went and make some cuprium + xiranite liquid passively with the extras :3

[jovial breach]

Sewage clogging incoming

[pulsar sail]

then you can't have 6/min syringe, so it's ok

i'm not saying it's optimal

[final escarp]

I feel like the belts are also not actually slower offline, but rather because of the items lost in transit it seems slower

When logging in / logging out

[scenic swift]

ok so I put 65 explosives on a long belt they were all still on it when I logged back in, but this belt isn't connected to anything, and I only did a short log out I dont know if it needs more time before something happens.

or the belt might need to be connected to something

anyways further testing required

[pulsar sail]

the othe explanation is it's not the belt/pipe but the "current run" that is lost

[ancient pier]

how does this water puddle can support 6 hydro mining rig

[final escarp]

I think the pipes have no issue offline as i used pipes in that 500/500 offline test but got full yield

[small creek]

magic

[hoary crag]

yes

[final escarp]

Anyone have a link to the original slower belts offline test?

I'm going to see if it's really item lost due to desync or they are actually slower offline

[pulsar sail]

no idea, I read here yesterday about that issue, that's why I'm making a few test myself

the 500 batch with 4 login should be cooked, checking the results

[unique plover]

why at 7 days my energy just dies?

[scenic swift]

this is painfull to look at

[pulsar sail]

LOL

make that make sense

[scenic swift]

server just eats them

[scenic hawk]

Guys I was using KyostinV blueprint for few days and now this is happening
Why?

[scenic swift]

endmin gets hungry and drinks one

its just like real life when the workers are stealing from the production line

nobody will notice if there is 1 missing

[pulsar sail]

yes, so
500 fully online
497 fully offline (quiting just after powering on) without relogin
499 with multiple exit/login

[lone pebble]

cloged sewage ussually

[scenic hawk]

How to fix?

[upper fiber]

your cuprium ore is stacked so cuprium is the culprit

[small creek]

someone actually experimenting on offline production loss? insane

[jovial breach]

Find a better bp, i dont like kyostin bp cuz it makes valley battery

[final escarp]

Um what the heli

[hoary crag]

so can we say the reactor is the cause of the issue?

[unique plover]

am i missing a node?

[final escarp]

Wait what did you do haha

[unique plover]

oops wrong one

[upper fiber]

clogged refining cuprium likely

[pulsar sail]

I guess the few time I logged in / out was enough for the reactor to work better

now I need to test by dychotomy to see if it is 1 loss every X cycle, we know it's 3 for 500

[final escarp]

Think in all honesty, it's definitely the belts are bugged

[lone pebble]

4.4.2 60/M

[dark furnace]

@marble yarrow yo how's the test pumping extra xircon eff into making xircon, is xircon production stable now

[pulsar sail]

I would have agreed if I had less than 497, but I got 499.... so probably not belt

gonna try something else, 2 fluid container, a long ass pipe, and transfert 500 units while offline

no reactor

[final escarp]

Good idea maybe the reactor is being scapegoated after all

[scenic swift]

also when you produced 497/500 it's 1.5 source materials lost that doesn't make sense, if it was 1 or 2 lost you could understand but how does the server create a half of a resource out of nowhere?

[thorn pike]

endgame

[scenic hawk]

Bruh Lol I'm a fcing idiot
I offed this shredding unit thinking it goes only to stash
Didn't notice it goes to reactor
Bruhhhhh

[upper fiber]

liquid cuprium

[rocky niche]

in the details, it was written that aic factory only works for 7 days if offline. more than that, it shuts off as safety precaution

[upper fiber]

next test would be 'where to logoff w/o triggering the bug'

[scenic swift]

and if you made 499/500 how can the recipe produce an odd number??

[rocky niche]

new recipe

just like how fertilizer is hidden recipe

[unique plover]

how do i unclog the caprium refining units?

[pulsar sail]

max length pipe, 500 fluid, alt+f4

if I have 500 fluid in the destination, then it's not the pipe

[unique plover]

i connected all of them to a water treatment station

[rocky niche]

is clogged cuprium refining units means it cannot produce more cuprium without clearing sewage?

[unique plover]

yeah

[pulsar willow]

they will produce at a lower rate

[rocky niche]

then it means you have to calculate how much sewage is produced per min and calculate how much sewage is deleted by wastewater treatment per min

[winter ingot]

I suddenly thought of something dumb -
what if in future updates, we would be able to spill a combination of sewage and some form of xiranite liquid into some empty pool...
would we be able to manufacture marvel super heroes if we push people into that?

[pulsar willow]

but not stop entirely

[pulsar sail]

what is clogged on your refining unit in the output, if it's the ore (max stored) then you need to use more ore

and if it's the sewage, then you need to treat it, or use it to produce xircon

then it's ratio time

[pulsar willow]

sweet spaghetti!

[unique plover]

do i split the sewage pipes and connect them to a water treatment station

[pulsar sail]

that's the easy way

[unique plover]

https://tenor.com/view/fist-of-the-north-star-hokuto-no-ken-hey-as-long-as-it-works-as-long-as-it-works-winging-it-gif-5037582307183355084

[rocky niche]

where are your sewage pipes going?

[pulsar sail]

but you waste the waste

waste is useful for producing xircon

[unique plover]

im using part of it already

[scenic hawk]

Nah dude it's all good
It was my fault not Kyostin's

[pulsar willow]

I hope you know that for each 30 sewage/min you need 1 water treatment thingy

[pulsar sail]

4 cuprium refining can provide waste for 10 reactor to produce xircon

[scenic swift]

pipes are 0.5 not 30 though but yeah

[unique plover]

its being used

[unique plover]

so do i split the pipes and use 2 treatment stations per refning unit?

[pulsar willow]

TARHUN

[pulsar willow]

this

[thorn pike]

.sahur

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086661220040774/1473785136901525525/received_2064093094380697.png?ex=699778de&is=6996275e&hm=59b1d6f4d1fbac5bf27450d31fe977ff6ecf9dfdd2605656824e78ae17ac0e55&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=809&height=809

[pulsar sail]

look at the numbers on the output/s on the refining, and the number on the treatment unit

relaunching the game right now

[scenic swift]

its a bit confusing because belt are 30 (0.5) max while pipes are 0.5 but up to 2.0 max

[pulsar sail]

so I guess the pipe is not the problem when going offline

[rocky niche]

this is the layout shown in devlog. maybe look into it and see if you could apply same

[scenic swift]

imagine if convergers could increase the belt speed from 30 to up to 120 so that convergers would actually be more useful

[rocky niche]

layered belts maybe introduced if the plot is limited

vertical factory will be new endgame

[pulsar sail]

then I need the jump pack from satisfactory and a build gun 😄

[jovial breach]

So it's the lost in the process of reactor?

[pulsar sail]

I guess so

[unique plover]

5 REACTORS?!

im only using 3

[pulsar willow]

yes you need 5

you need twice the amount of xircon effluent for the xircon itself

[scenic swift]

depot busses be like now we gotta be taller to keep up with the faster belts. The factory must grow.

[pulsar sail]

2 cuprium, 2 xyarite, 1 ferrium, 5 reactor, 3 waste treatment, that's the standard yeah

[nova lodge]

yeah, you do need 5 reactors for xircon rock productions

[unique plover]

im gonna wait for a built base with optimal stats ig

[pulsar willow]

I have a rebuilding plan for my base already

AGAIN

[rocky niche]

that's just 1 sc wulbat line right?

[pulsar willow]

yes

[nova lodge]

my xircon rock factory.
i just depot the rock for battery production at some other areas ;v

[pulsar sail]

look at the #1461542035617091681 channel, there already are bases

[nova lodge]

very squarish~~~~

[pulsar sail]

yes

[ruby sorrel]

it'd be fun if the offline wasn't so frustrating with the desync between reactors and everything else

[pulsar willow]

stealing this

[nova lodge]

sure, hope it helps.

[pulsar willow]

it's just square

I love squares

[pulsar willow]

same

[scenic swift]

we can only wait until devs listen and fix the offline calcs but I doubt its high priority to them

[thorn pike]

sex

[pulsar willow]

now?

[thorn pike]

yes

[pulsar willow]

male

[thorn pike]

even better

ngl

[final escarp]

That's what everyone is trying to find out lol

[unique plover]

whats happening here?

[wispy grove]

use my forbidden sewage filter

[unique plover]

the pipe is clogged?

[pulsar willow]

the reactor is full

[rocky niche]

clogged in other facilities at end of pipeline

[thorn pike]

you can make zipline from AIC straight to the event stall

[pulsar willow]

the pipe and the structure it connects to

[final escarp]

Its definitely not the pipes as was tested by @pulsar sail
Its definitely not the crucible because it works fine offline when I tested without belts
The common denominater here is the belts

[pulsar willow]

7 hours until event