aic-factory

[wispy grove]

fluctuations are inevitable offline bro

cause its a diff alg

[warped delta]

IMHO if you want components, better to stick with 1 SC 1 LC 1 YazhenC until you stockpile enough. Keeps the mats simple

[gaunt summit]

@uneven aspen what's your AIC report say for battery usage lol

[quasi locust]

i thought your setup is controlling the xiranite, and used a priority flow for sewage to prevent sewage build up?

[uneven aspen]

?

[wispy grove]

[sand pivot]

they are producing at 5/min so they can use a cuprium line for gear components if I got it right

[uneven aspen]

i am controlling xiranite but teh sewage issue is solved

[warped delta]

Otherwise once you're doing 2x SC and 1x YazhenA then you need to take half or all of the Yazhen offline depending on how the production is setup, and half or all of an SC to free up the Xiranite

[wispy grove]

i guess?

[sand pivot]

but wait

that shouldn't change it

[warped delta]

You really like overcomplicating things, huh?

[solid python]

The solution was simple in my AIC

[fluid fog]

Smooth Operator......

[uneven aspen]

hmm what im gonna test next is to see if it's my 100% sc battery dipping or my 66% one

i do have 40k lc battery to sell which should means i can take the dips for now

[solid python]

Could be possible, especially if they're connected together via pipes.

[uneven aspen]

i separated the 2

each one to different battery

[solid python]

Well, I guess it'll be easier to see then

[warped delta]

IMHO the least problems would be to have the two cuprium parts refineries direct feeding the xircon lines and run them full-tilt. Sell the extra parts as necessary to prevent capping. That way the sewage output is consistent without gimmicks.

[solid python]

You can make bottles out of the parts without any issues.

There's no extra steps involved

[gaunt summit]

i mean ideally you make cup components/meds, and have 0 parts leftover at all

[quasi locust]

you would run into problem if you control the xiranite tho? that the sewage will build up and clog the cuprium line

[warped delta]

Bottles are made out of cuprium, not cuprium parts...

[gaunt summit]

bottles are

and syringes take parts

[warped delta]

You direct feed the one reactor that isn't getting backfed by the xircon reactor

[solid python]

Oh, fair point. I just wanted to emphasize that selling parts is less value than making higher tier items.

[gaunt summit]

so you make meds, and problems solved

[quasi locust]

isn't cuprium what produces sewage?

[quasi locust]

sell parts sucks, make cuprium comp

[gaunt summit]

i mean you handle it two ways

you either use all 4 cup to feed your batteries, and treat the sewage from the xircon

or your loop your xircon back in and treat the other cup

[solid python]

Xircon sewage is the more adventurous way to set it up

[gaunt summit]

lol i loop mine back in, but in reality my aic looks like a disaster

i built it on the fly and never went back to make it look pretty

[solid python]

If it works, it works

[gaunt summit]

Yea xD

[ruby sorrel]

I feel like looping it back performs worse offline since the crucibles seem to be terrible at offline

[gaunt summit]

it literally makes zero difference

lol

unless offline literally works some type of magic on its own

[ruby sorrel]

I rerouted a bunch of things and it doesn't dip as badly offline but I don't feel like experimenting anymore

[gaunt summit]

how do you even have anything dipping offline lol

[ruby sorrel]

no idea, crucibles seem to just run slower than the originum side

[gaunt summit]

legit, do an item count, log out, log back in an hour later and see if you got the expected amounts, or the report stuff

[wispy grove]

yes its worse because once you get less xircon, it also makes less sewage, which loops back to the 2nd crucible, less sewage less effluent, its a downward spiral

[gaunt summit]

when do yo uget less xircon?

[quasi locust]

ah i can't backfeed sewage from one reactor with my build. my sewage is controlled at the input tho

[fluid fog]

its slowly flooding up my storage by 1 fluid tank in 24 hours. in offline mode. so 7 tanks of this will take 1 week to full.

[gaunt summit]

you should never get less xircon unless you messed something up lo

[ruby sorrel]

xircon is getting full inputs no loopbacks and it still lags behind orig

[wispy grove]

i think you should show whats inside your your xircon crucible

[ruby sorrel]

maybe the game just hates that I'm making meds in the same crucibles

[gaunt summit]

lol sure one sec

whyare you making meds in the same crucibles?

lol

[ruby sorrel]

saves power and it worked fine online

[warped delta]

You're going to continue running into issues if you rely so heavily on splitter shenanigans to rate-limit because of floating point errors

[gaunt summit]

i know it says they can do two reactions at once, but that doesn't give them 2x the processing power

it just makes it go slower iirc, but lets you hold more items

at least the last time i tested it, that's how it went for me

[ruby sorrel]

it actually runs the xircon at full speed online though as far as I can see

[gaunt summit]

it just does one, then does the other

yeah?

lol

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-mrbean-bean-mr-bean-holiday-mr-bean-holiday-movie-gif-3228235746377647455

[gaunt summit]

look the launcher had to update

lol

i was on a diff game

[fluid fog]

KEK Also thought it was different.

[ruby sorrel]

and if it really couldn't run them both at the same time my dips would be far lower than what I'm getting

[gaunt summit]

Lo lyeah, i guess the dips would be very noticable

[warped delta]

@quasi locust This is mine:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086681499496448/1483666300713701628/image.png?ex=69bc142b&is=69bac2ab&hm=ee32b899b270ca51147182ec9f8d5a0fd011d7d29fbdd4dd64d912f6a5d63ac4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
And the 2nd line forgoes the conduit/buffer for just a direct feed from a cuprium refinery feeding parts.

[gaunt summit]

oh nawp, idk what's in my xircon atm

[ruby sorrel]

maybe it just interacts extra poorly with the offline calc though

[gaunt summit]

i broke something when i split my lines

LOL

cause i tried making too many diff components and meds

gotta go fix this now

well maybe

apparently it corrected before power died, so idk

this is the one on the batteries i only use for power

lol

[quasi locust]

oh do you already have a stock of xiranite? cause i wanted xiranite to accumulate for the comp

[wispy grove]

yup youre making less xircon

[gaunt summit]

nah

[sand pivot]

dude... 😭

[gaunt summit]

i just set up the ferrium first

so its overloaded lol

[wispy grove]

all that talk bro

[ruby sorrel]

yeah check if it still backs up if you reset it

[sand pivot]

my factory is using 3.25k power

[wispy grove]

dont worry bro your fluctuation will show at 30min AIC report

[gaunt summit]

wdym lol

[sand pivot]

if I could drop it to 3.2k I could make it only spend like around 1.5 batteries per minute

[gaunt summit]

this is my power battery side

if this was fluctuating

my factory would be bricked

[wispy grove]

just show your AIC report

[gaunt summit]

sure lol

its fkd though cause im making weird shit rn

[sand pivot]

bro there's literally no way

for me to save 500 power 😭

[wispy grove]

yeah your report is unreliable

[gaunt summit]

yeah cause

[wispy grove]

hows your effluent crucible

[gaunt summit]

i have this also

too much shit going on lol

i'm doing some weird stuff to make both xiranite and cuprium parts

[fluid fog]

oh u still making both.

[sand pivot]

FAAAAAAAAAAH

https://tenor.com/view/fahhh-fah-skeleton-vonoffe-meme-gif-17918076419074819351

[wispy grove]

[fluid fog]

I just alternative making xira and cuprium.

[gaunt summit]

i split 1/4 the xiranite from my selling battery lines, and 1/2 of one of my cuprium med lines to make cup components, and I meta orig dust from V4 and use some of that xiranite split to make xira components also

[sand pivot]

me looking at my power usage at 3.25k and thinking if I could save 500 power I could only use 1 battery per min

[gaunt summit]

since i didn't want to meta ferrium anymore

so i decided to meta orig dust instead, so it wouldn't f my battery lines if i meta'd orig itself

[wispy grove]

any build up in your effluent crucible?

[gaunt summit]

oh one sec

which one lol

the one being rerouted into

or the other one

[wispy grove]

both

[fluid fog]

no more build up for me.

[wispy grove]

show both

[wispy grove]

youre using sewage control?

[fluid fog]

nope ALOT OF TANKS

[wispy grove]

fair enough

[gaunt summit]

and yeah, there's buildup lol

cause i set up sewage first

and treatment last

its going to be there permanently

[wispy grove]

this one is directly connected to the refinery

[gaunt summit]

wdym

taht's the xircon producing one ya

[wispy grove]

while this one is the sewage loop connected

[wispy grove]

whut

[fluid fog]

already happy for this, will think later about xeranite consuption though, I dont want them to be drain.

[sand pivot]

chat I think I will let my factory starve so I can only use 1.5 batteries per min 😭

[wispy grove]

thats effluent bro

[sand pivot]

or maybe even only 1 per min

[wispy grove]

cant you see the arrows?

[sand pivot]

idk if the reserve power can handle it

[gaunt summit]

What lol

[wispy grove]

i mean xircon effluent

[sand pivot]

WAIT CHAT

[wispy grove]

i mean the sewage comes from the refinery

[sand pivot]

massive W

I forgot you get 200 power by default

[wispy grove]

yeah

[sand pivot]

so my factory can run on 1 battery per min

😭

[gaunt summit]

Yeah lol

my factory was well under that before setting up new battery stuff

legit impossible now

[wispy grove]

yeah the clog will soon happen

[gaunt summit]

clog where

lol

do you mean for me XD

cause i've been running this for like 2 days now

with no issues lol

[wispy grove]

okay then

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[gaunt summit]

I mean it looks like a giga disaster

lol

building both battery lines in core wuling area is such a mess

[sand pivot]

that's why I made my BP modular

[warped delta]

I have like 1500 as a buffer, but realistically if I want components I'll simply shut down one of the battery lines

[gaunt summit]

I thought about doing that but eh

[sand pivot]

I have xiranite production at the jingyu (no depot, just planters)

and rest in core AIC

if it's going to be like Valley 4 we're gonna have left over space

[ruby sorrel]

oh it's looking better this login, even though it should be zigzagging as regularly as the lc

[sand pivot]

(speaking as someone who didn't even use the 3rd outpost for anything)

[gaunt summit]

I mean this is the forge into the xircon side

this is the forge into the other side

legit everything is balanced lol

[wispy grove]

can you show inside this one

[sand pivot]

making the bps modular is nice though, it basically allows for future expansion

[gaunt summit]

sure lol

its still producing 2/s though

[sand pivot]

imagine they give us more copium ore in the future, I can just copy paste the modules I need

[gaunt summit]

there's no delay

[subtle finch]

I'm 99% certain I know why most clogs happen now

[gaunt summit]

2s rather

[wispy grove]

dang

[gaunt summit]

Its just a matter of the order stuff was set up in

[wispy grove]

wdym 99%? we already found that 8 hrs ago

[gaunt summit]

cause legit if there were a clog anywhere, the aic report would be way less on everything

lol

[sand pivot]

oh yeah about that, I didn't understand how does 0.5 input of xiranite solve the clogging issue?

like what's the logic behind it?

[wispy grove]

its not clogged, its just 50 build up. okay then

[gaunt summit]

I mean yeah lol

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[gaunt summit]

because when i was setting it up

i did everything but the sewage out line

cause i wasn't sure what i was going to do with it

so everythign sat in there lol

[warped delta]

What I've been doing is ferry HC batteries from V4 once a day bc you can't sell any V4 stuff in Wuling, so I can maximize selling batteries there for stock bills

[gaunt summit]

i just have this habit of starting the ore lines to make sure everythign will run in order

so most of my stuff has 50 of stuff in it lol

[wispy grove]

same, all we know xiranite belts have slower speed when offline. thats why theres a sewage build up and you cant see any build up on xiranite liquid

[gaunt summit]

cause legit, its been 6 hrs since my last login, if there was a clog, the power would be dead lol

[uneven aspen]

afked for 30 minutes, my 100% sc battery is working fine so it's the 66% one dipping 😔

[gaunt summit]

cause this is my battery side line

[uneven aspen]

now gonna afk offline with the 100% off and 66% on

[wispy grove]

my bad, sewage over flow is the correct term

not clogging

[gaunt summit]

hmm

do you want me to make a video of my second by second production for a minute lol

so you can see the lack of delays

XD

[lusty violet]

im surprised about this, since i went beltless for the xircon side and found no difference

[sand pivot]

tf lmao

[gaunt summit]

lololol

[sand pivot]

but how can we input 1.5 xiranite if we only have 4 forges?

[gaunt summit]

splitters

[sand pivot]

that's not what I mean

[warped delta]

As I said to the other person: The splitters are an inexact science since computers can't do fractions. So floating point errors crop up (computer science stuff)

[wispy grove]

xircon effluent or just xircon?

[subtle finch]

Diverting xiranite away from crucible by making component reduces the efficiency of crucibles.
And that's the major cause of sewage build up.
You can drain that with a looper to water treatment but that doesn't change the fact that reducing crucible efficiency will affect cuprium refinement efficiency.
that's why im not encountering clogs because im not producing components

[lusty violet]

the entire xircon line

[uneven aspen]

yeah I know that. .33+.33+.33 =.99 and not 1

[sand pivot]

wait I kinda get it now

so the objective is for the crucible to get clogged on xira

so when you're offline it doesn't deplete the liq xiranite and top up on sewage

[gaunt summit]

Isn't this only relevant if you don't have it controlled properly

[sand pivot]

still so dumb that xiranites have slower belts 💀

[wispy grove]

i am not even producing components but the sewage build is still there. thats why im confident to use my AIC report as a basis to know why there are fluctuations in the graph.

[sand pivot]

how'd they fuck up this bad LMAO

[round barn]

1 month no new content, deadge game

[lusty violet]

all belts are slower when offline, unless xiranite is even slower somehow

[warped delta]

Which is why I said to separate the two sides. The backfed reactor shouldn't be undercut for other production at the very least. The 2nd one fed from cuprium you might be able to get away with, since the sewage is only going "one way" for that

[gaunt summit]

@warped delta if it's really over sewage, isn't the idea then to just split the sewage line into a treatment line?

[subtle finch]

sewage consumption is 1 to 1. If one machine produces component, you need one machine that consumes it. if you make your crucible run like 1/2 the rate for example. nothing you can do will stop that build up except add additional consumer like treatment

[gaunt summit]

Yeah

So you can still even it out like that lol

[solid python]

Sewage treatment as it should be

[wispy grove]

all i can say is xiranite liquid is slower than sewage. which is really really weird. if its the same rate we wont have this problem. even if theres both sewage and liquid xiranite has the same number build up inside the crucible, we can safe to assume that the crucibles have slower production rate. but thats not the case here, only sewage has a build up

[gaunt summit]

what lol

[warped delta]

When you separate the two sides feeding the xircon reactor, it doesn't matter if the cuprium-fed one backs up or gets starved, the process will still run normally. If you starve the backfed side, it will run at a deficit and die.

[lusty violet]

oh i thought it was the solid xiranite

[muted tapir]

is this originium magic

[wispy grove]

i mean its still connected tho

[sand pivot]

yeah I noticed that too, since the machines are placed at different heights, the pipes get placed in a certain angle and get all fucky

[gaunt summit]

@warped delta yeah ofc, but in reality you'd see very noticable production drops

[wispy grove]

slow xiranite=slow xiranite liquid production

[sand pivot]

sometimes they won't even input water into the rigs depending on how you place them

[ruby sorrel]

yeah it's magic

[gaunt summit]

loool

[muted tapir]

also, how many mining rig can fluid pump supply?

[warped delta]

Yes, production would drop, but it would be the expected drop based on how much xiranite you starved that line.

[gaunt summit]

2 per

yeah lol

i'm dealing with taht slightly on my for sale battery side, as i ripped some xiranite out

[dark furnace]

@atomic fiber I tried the sewage priority yesterday and my battery production dropped to 10/m overnight, even though all crucibles are producing/consuming enough stuffs, the xircon was somehow wonky and producing only 53/60

[gaunt summit]

to make components

[lusty violet]

actually, the numbers kinda match up
i've seen a sewage build up of 3 every hour.. and offline belt speed is about 3/hour slower

[warped delta]

Use KISS imho Keep It Simple Stupid

[gaunt summit]

@dark furnace how lol

[iron stratus]

waking up to 8k batteries is so beautiful

[subtle finch]

I'm not claiming to know all the cause of clogs. I'm just saying if your crucible isn't running at 100%. that will be the strongest source of sewage buildup

[gaunt summit]

@dark furnace can you show a picture of your factory or something

[ruby sorrel]

nah my sewage is actually vanishing

[gaunt summit]

vanishing lol

[ruby sorrel]

I think the pipes are eating my liquids

[wispy grove]

why do we even bother fixing this again? its still fluctuates

[ruby sorrel]

yeah, all the crucible products are empty

all the inputs are maxed

[wispy grove]

i give up, ill just let every thing gets build up

[ruby sorrel]

but the offline production still drops

[gaunt summit]

merci can you show a picture of your line

damn how cool it would be to be able to visit other people's aic areas

[sand pivot]

literally the conclusion I arrived to

stressing so much to fix something we shouldn't even have to worry about

if it clogs up it clogs up lmfao

[ruby sorrel]

the left part is 100% SC batt, I had the jincao on the left too moved it just now to see if it changes the offline drops

[gaunt summit]

wtf

are your belts covered in shit for

lol

[warped delta]

What you want to do is start early in the production line and watch the machine to see if it blinks to idle ever and pause the machine for like 5 secs to let it buffer some items then hit start. Then monitor the next part in the line

[ruby sorrel]

it used to look less insane, but then offline calculations hit me

[gaunt summit]

do people just make bridges for fun XD

[warped delta]

And buffer each of them until they no longer have an idle period

[gaunt summit]

legit, what is the point of the million pipe splitters

lol

[ruby sorrel]

I'm dumping all my cuprium sewage into here

so I need overflow

[gaunt summit]

its ridiculous to even try to follow that

[ruby sorrel]

but when I login with everything backed up it runs 100% so I need some other overflow

[gaunt summit]

waht do you need overflow for

Rofl

Its so hard to find whatever the shortage is

when the pipes are such a mess like that

[ruby sorrel]

there's no shortage on the left side dw about the right

it's 2/s sewage in

[fluid fog]

HG should put Smart pipe and conveyer, XD

[gaunt summit]

lol i gotta try out the crucible double reaction thing and test it

it never worked right for me so i stopped trying to use it

[ruby sorrel]

yeah I'm suspecting it works very poorly offline atp

even if it works while online

[tawny bear]

i wanna try it for yazhen and jincao

[warped delta]

Overflow of what? The sewage needs are in even amounts.

[ruby sorrel]

it's 2/s in I'm using 1.5/s

[tawny bear]

i could try it for yahzen and liquid xiranite but it feels kinda pointless =3=

[gaunt summit]

From what I could see, it looked like it could run two separate recipes, but it only ran them at 50% each, like 2x the ram, but still teh same processor

so there was no value in trying to make it work with less of them

@tawny bear just depends on what you need to make really

[sand pivot]

completely forgot crucibles could be used to produce 2 different solutions ngl LMAO

[warped delta]

Okay, so use 1 treatment plant then

[gaunt summit]

yeah lol

But I tested it when it came out

[ruby sorrel]

that's what I'm doing

[subtle finch]

i made a blueprint if anyone is interested . asia only

#1483968010535571466 message

[gaunt summit]

and it seems like it doens't effectively do double work

it can just do two different recipes at once

which in reality, isn't very effective for production lol

[dark furnace]

yea but only the liquid xiranite can use another formula because there are only 5 slots

[gaunt summit]

is why im' looking at merci's

[warped delta]

When using splitters, also try using them in such a way that you have something on both sides of the splitter other than going forward

[gaunt summit]

and wondering why i see 2x effluent and 2x sewage

[dark furnace]

other crucibles already took 4 slotswith one formula

[gaunt summit]

from the same curcible

UNless that actually works lol

[tawny bear]

it looks pretty cool, wanna see mine?
-# it's only in na/eu no one made me an asia version yet

[gaunt summit]

lol rip, can't see asia version

😭

[subtle finch]

sure

[solid python]

Perfectly unclogged refinery

[tawny bear]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1483787804810022973

[gaunt summit]

@solid python did you actually setup all the pipes before you put anything in it lol

[solid python]

By the way, if you guys need a 3-way splitter, a Protocol Stash seems to work better than a regular splitter.

[wispy grove]

even the refinery wants to join the clogging process

[solid python]

I don't remember.

[gaunt summit]

xD

[gaunt summit]

I'm ngl, this shit is like real hard to follow imo lol

[hoary crag]

they haven't given out a survey form for 1.1 yet, right?

[gaunt summit]

not easy to troubleshoot either cause of how all the lines are XD

[hoary crag]

cuz there's a thing or two I wanna say about the new factory stuff

[fluid fog]

we're still in 2 weeks.

[gaunt summit]

do you got a picture of the lines you having issues with lol

[lusty violet]

isn't it the first week?

[sand pivot]

don't they generally put out like a gazillion surveys per patch

[hoary crag]

we just hit the 1 week mark

[sand pivot]

I swear last patch I responded to like 3 and there was still 2 or 3 I didn't bother

[ruby sorrel]

yeah I made a bigger mess of things trying to figure out where the drop is from but look it works while online

[hoary crag]

ikr

[ruby sorrel]

that's what 10.5 total should look like

it just does weird things offline

[nova quest]

Guys. I rmb seeing sewage water in WuLing region. Where was it again?

[lusty violet]

they realized it would be bad if surveys were majority of f2p pull income

[hoary crag]

southmost part of qingbo stockage

[fluid fog]

that's only on launch, the game progress the less survey they will do.

[ruby sorrel]

when I had everything organized and actually done to ratio the dip was really bad, probably only output 9.5/min

my xiranite in depot built up 1k/h or something

[nova quest]

I can fill sewage water in bottle right?

[hoary crag]

yup, manually that is afaik

[peak sinew]

The new water mining saved me like 200 energy and like 10 electric poles👌 neat

[ruby sorrel]

yeah but then you have to put down more pumps

[subtle finch]

tangtang is stealing from the aic when you go offline . you need to install sentry towers

[ruby sorrel]

and it comes out to slightly higher protocol capacity

[peak sinew]

One pump can handle 3 ore mines

[hoary crag]

it's more like

do you want to save more power/batteries or protocol space?

[dark furnace]

not an issue, but fact because only the first crucible making liquid xiranite has enough slot for another simple formula such as yazhen/jinco solution.

[ruby sorrel]

yeah but the total cap use is higher

[fluid fog]

i rather save protocol spaces, that shit is rare unlike energy.

[peak sinew]

They should extend tower limit

I need farm site

[ruby sorrel]

at least pipe logistics don't count towards regular aic facility count

because I'm already at 512

[gaunt summit]

@dark furnace oh i see

[subtle finch]

technically 1 crucible can make all the recipes. but you gotta time it

[dark furnace]

both xircron eff and xircon takes 4 slots so you can't make other stuffs with the 1 slot left

[ruby sorrel]

you wouldn't be able to set all the outputs with one crucible

[gaunt summit]

wdym, xircon takes 3 lol

[subtle finch]

oh, true

[hoary crag]

it takes 4

[ruby sorrel]

3 output liquids even if you have alternating inputs won't work

[warped delta]

I also wouldn't fret too much over the AIC Plan number bc if it polls just before say, a 10sec build finishes, it will say you're producing 1 less than expected even if it was built a split second later.

[gaunt summit]

o.O; what 4 lol

[hoary crag]

IN

Xircon Effluent
Ferrium Powder

OUT

Xircon
Sewage

[gaunt summit]

oh i dont consider the uh..

non liquid a spot i guess

that's true though xD

[dark furnace]

yea solid product also take one slot

[gaunt summit]

right i should mess with a crucible lol

[dark furnace]

if xircon stuffs let people do two formula, you wouldn't see people using 10 crucibles for 12/m battery

[quartz otter]

unused water pump so many 🤣

[gaunt summit]

wonder if i have enough empty bottles to do so

[subtle finch]

would be cool if treatment actually turns it to water

[ruby sorrel]

when I'm offline, that circled bumps are flat compared to online production, which is the major headache, I don't remembering it being so bad in 1.0

[gaunt summit]

well if you wanted to run them half assed you could lol

[dark furnace]

you can however mess with the xiranite crucible as much as you want, the efficiency doesn't really drop for the production of xiranite

[gaunt summit]

@ruby sorrel you aren't making 12 flat right?

[ruby sorrel]

nope it's 10.5 so it's fluctuating between 10 and 11

[gaunt summit]

so why do you not expect to see a bump

lol

[dark furnace]

some people tested that, by alternating the input of the crucible. Yes you can change the formula depending on the input, but it messes up when you go offline

[ruby sorrel]

but offline it drops 2 of the peaks

[gaunt summit]

hmmm lol

[ruby sorrel]

which means my production is dropping down to idk 10.1 or sth

[gaunt summit]

@dark furnace messes up in which way?

[ruby sorrel]

before I changed a bunch of stuff it would just be completely flat

[dark furnace]

is this 2h graph?

[gaunt summit]

@ruby sorrel rather than relying on aic report, just calculate expected production for an hour, and check what you have in an hour lol

[ruby sorrel]

so there's some weird offline calculation jank

yeah ig so

[marble yarrow]

yeet

[fluid fog]

Ah yes, Excel simulation game.

[marble yarrow]

good thing i have sewage overflow safety

[quartz otter]

lack of coprium,, soon production depleted

[gaunt summit]

coprium sounds like proper name

lolol

[ruby sorrel]

time to logoff and see what happens in X time then

[gaunt summit]

just make sure you know hte ACTUAL number

it should be producing

not what the AIC report says on either end

[ruby sorrel]

yeah ik the actual number

[fluid fog]

well its similar to copper irl

[ruby sorrel]

it's supposed to make 10.5/min

[gaunt summit]

10.5/min lol

how much epr machine

one is 6 yeah?

[ruby sorrel]

yeah

[gaunt summit]

so 4.5 from the other one?

[dark furnace]

the way they are alternating is not using converger to input 50/50 for each item, but using two belts with one delayed input so the crucible emptied one input -> take the other -> do the other formula. As the inputs are being used once the formula start, not finish, so practically you can alternate two formulas even if they are taking more than 5 slots total. As long as the item is being zero'd before the other item arrive the crucible. However belt is wonky while you offline so one belt will get clogged

[ruby sorrel]

yes

6+4.5

[thorny galleon]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but for Zircon, I'll want to feed two lines of Xyranite into it?

[marble yarrow]

borp

[gaunt summit]

so one every 13.3333 seconds lol

what ratio are you using for that

[final escarp]

Is it true? That reactor crucible is bugged and sometimes miss out on output?

[gaunt summit]

how many xiranite

i'm assuming you cutting xiranite

[crimson inlet]

this is some dedication

[ruby sorrel]

no I'm cutting fer

3/4 line

[gaunt summit]

fer?

[fluid fog]

not really, its just Factorio moments.

[dark furnace]

yea the crucible is not working 100%

times that 3 times for xircon

[gaunt summit]

ferrium isn't even used

[ruby sorrel]

cutting xiranite gives worse offline results

[gaunt summit]

oh wait

[ruby sorrel]

lol

[gaunt summit]

you cutting the fer

[marble yarrow]

good shi (actually i can remove that extra water treatment but it looks cool

[gaunt summit]

to the end product?

[crimson inlet]

I'm not this dedicated in factorio man

[ruby sorrel]

yes

[gaunt summit]

lmao

no wonder

[final escarp]

What the actual i just fell to my knees in a Walmart seeing ur comment

[gaunt summit]

that's legit gonna f everything

how many ways are you splitting it

[ruby sorrel]

nah it works better than cutting xiranite

[fluid fog]

then you're not a true Factorio player. XD

[subtle finch]

this is my last 12h offline

[gaunt summit]

13.33 lol

[crimson inlet]

I'm primarily a mindustry player dawg

[dark furnace]

tbf there are many factors making it not working fully, the input, the clog, the output belt bug, etc etc

[gaunt summit]

is that like

6 split with 5 going back?

[ruby sorrel]

no? it's 3/4 belt ferrium

what 13.33

[gaunt summit]

13.33s per battery

[fluid fog]

ah yes the mindustry guys....

[gaunt summit]

is 4.5 per min

[ruby sorrel]

the input is 22.5/30 ferrium

[gaunt summit]

why did you choose to cut ferr of all things

lol

[ruby sorrel]

because you cut anything and it's rate limiting

[final escarp]

As in I read that someone used 500 water + 500 jincao powder but only got 497 jincao solution which is giving me nightmares at night

I would like to test it but I don't have enough jincao lol

[ruby sorrel]

and cutting xiranite inputs made offline production worse

[wispy grove]

this channel is where ocd people gather

[gaunt summit]

lel

i feel like maybe i have less issues with how i cut my batt lines

is because i cut on teh strong side, of the cuprium sewage fed side

[marble yarrow]

great except the 118 ferrium

[gaunt summit]

rather than the side i routed the sewage into from xircon

[ruby sorrel]

yeah that's why I changed from feeding with xircon sewage to cuprium sewage

but the xiranite cut still wasn't good

[gaunt summit]

Lol I'm really curious what the result is gonna be

from the hour diff

dm me it!

before and after pics!

[warped delta]

https://tenor.com/view/dyson-sphere-program-gif-20179547

[sand pivot]

what are you guys doing with the leftover ferrium?

[hoary crag]

syringe C

[gaunt summit]

I'm actually really curious about this too lol

[subtle finch]

i eat it

[gaunt summit]

Makes me wanna try it

[sand pivot]

does that make you go above cap? on power?

like are you above the 3.4k?

[final escarp]

Pls do and ping me when you have your results

[ruby sorrel]

I mean it used to be less ridiculous looking, but this gave terrible results <10/min offline

[fluid fog]

Me in Satisfactory.

[final escarp]

I'm dying to know

[fluid fog]

No clogged No Offline problem AHAHAHA

[gaunt summit]

Sure I'll set it up now lel

it was jincao right

[final escarp]

Yeah

[gaunt summit]

600 of ea?

[ruby sorrel]

this was proper ratio on every input/output

[dark furnace]

@atomic fiber oh nvm the issue was caused by some mismanagement of clean water source causing the first crucible to not have enough water

[ruby sorrel]

and it just crashes offline

[final escarp]

500 of each cos fluid tank maxes at 500

[gaunt summit]

oh

i was gonna build multiple tanks

lel

[final escarp]

I suppose you could try 1 setup online and 1 setup offline

He didn't say whether he tested it online or offline

[dark furnace]

for the sewage clog, I use this to make sure all crucible has sewage clogged for 100% production efficiency while treat the overflow sewage so cuprium refiner is always 0, the conduits are from xircon. Input of cuprium from both side.

[sand pivot]

I wish they'd fix this too

[dark furnace]

yea, if you don't know yet, having 0 sewage in your crucible actually make the crucible efficiency drops

[sand pivot]

or when you try to move a BP that has pipes that go outside the core AIC area

"Blueprints can only be placed in the Core AIC Area" 🤓

[dark furnace]

smart BP should place a splitter/converger at the end of the pipe

so when you try to move it you won't highlight the whole pipe that extend outside AIC

[fluid fog]

Am actually low on liquid Xeranite that it makes drop efficiency, XD

[dark furnace]

we did a data search yesterday and found out that if you are inputting xiranite 1:1, you won't produce 1:1 liquid xiranite

you have to input more than 1/2s xiranite into the first crucible

[sand pivot]

apparently people were saying the xiranite belts are slower when you're offline and that you need to input 1.5 xiranite to fix it

[static zealot]

what

[uneven aspen]

what's 1/2s 1/2 seconds or one-half?

[final escarp]

Wait as in like speed wise or output quantity wise

[uneven aspen]

^

[dark furnace]

1/2s is one full belt

[dark furnace]

the input of xiranite

simply put, just input more than one belt

[subtle finch]

i just let my first crucible build up before producing sewage

[wispy grove]

one every 2 secs

[dark furnace]

have the xiranite capped in the first crucible

[final escarp]

As in it could be because of the missing outputs

[fluid fog]

mine is not 1 by 1 though, its 4 by 2 by 1.

[final escarp]

Idk ill go test when I get enough jincao

[gaunt summit]

im making jincao right now lel

[dark furnace]

not the output of liquid xiranite, but the xiranite to make liquid xiranite

[gaunt summit]

i dont normally use anything but yahzen, so legit only had 1 jincao in depot rofl

[wispy grove]

oh btw i forgot to tell yah. 1.5 isnt enough cause it still has build up

[fluid fog]

ohh you mean this?

[dark furnace]

build up of sewage?

[wispy grove]

yeah

w8 ill show yah

[dark furnace]

yea apparently I found out that the cuprium is producing way more sewage than crucible can consume it even with near 1:1 production

[wispy grove]

i ill try 2 xiranite belts next

[dark furnace]

the cuprium is producing like 1:1.01 or something, at least it's more than 1:1

[gaunt summit]

what does near 1:1 mean lol

[fluid fog]

coprium byproduct (sewage) release more than it should be that's why I have ALOT OF TANK

[wispy grove]

1.001:1

so miniscule but still faster

[gaunt summit]

oh you mean lke that

[dark furnace]

no if you are inputting more than 1:1 already, the throttle is at the crucible consuming the sewage

my sewage also clogged using 2 xiranite belt

[fluid fog]

Makes me always laugh when I look into this thing... XD

[wispy grove]

then i have to go back to sewage filter then

[subtle finch]

i haven't encountered sewage build up yet. same setup for 3 days

[wispy grove]

how much splitter you wanna add to reduce 1 drop every 2 mins?

[wispy grove]

are you using looping?

[subtle finch]

yes. by looping, i mean im looping my xircon sewage back to crucible 2

[proven ferry]

so has everyone stopped collecting the rare growths in V4

or just me

[wispy grove]

show the other effluent crucible

[wispy grove]

this is natural since of the xircon delay, you also get sewage delay thats why you have xiranite liquid build up

[subtle finch]

i have 4 like this, zero sewage

[wispy grove]

show us your sewage pipes

[marble yarrow]

yeah sewage loopback throttles its own sewage production when battery underproduces

[subtle finch]

tank also has zero sewage

[wispy grove]

oh w8 you said earlier you fill your crucibles with xiranite liquid first before adding sewage right?

so youre manually adding sewage?

[subtle finch]

yes. i let left side fill up. then i turn on my refiners

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-dog-gif-23018206

no wonder

[marble yarrow]

actual cheat

[dark furnace]

@wispy grove my sewage overflow treatment system rn

[subtle finch]

i posted the bp, you can check it yourself
#1483968010535571466 message

[marble yarrow]

my sewage anti overflow (i added 1 extra treatment but i think it isnt really needed)

[mighty yacht]

is it possible to get 4/5 min syringe A with only 2 cuprium outputs?

[trail mirage]

couldve saved space by putting pipes on depot buses

[dark furnace]

if you have cuprium/part reserved

[wispy grove]

you have 3 treatments?

[dark furnace]

i mean look at the space between crucible does it look like they care about space

[trail mirage]

tru

[subtle finch]

there are

[sand pivot]

short answer no

[subtle finch]

4 cuprium lines makes 6/min. so half makes 3/min

[dark furnace]

I looped back 2 xircon sewage

[trail mirage]

why do i feel like this is gonna clog

[mighty yacht]

i was hoping some black magic wouldve made it possible

[marble yarrow]

?

[sand pivot]

you can basically do it but you would have to stock up on copium basically the other 2 lines, wtv ur using them for, would have to be inefficient too

[coral orchid]

so weird even after optimization

[young stag]

delivery

[dark furnace]

I found it more comfortable to loop back the 2 sewage. It's easier to clog the eff crucible, and the overflow is more controable while keeping the sewage treated

[wispy grove]

ah i hate math bro

[sand pivot]

does this have offline periods or only online?

[coral orchid]

@atomic fiber it seems that your method is not working

[dark furnace]

oh i didn't use math i just trial and error

[coral orchid]

I just online and get that

[atomic fiber]

it working fine on mine. what happened

[sand pivot]

the heck 😭

[wispy grove]

i mean you can calculate how much sewage you get from each crucible

[marble yarrow]

its ok you removed 1 part that is causing the problem.

on we go to find the next culprits

[wispy grove]

crucibles are just suck

[coral orchid]

unstable Xircon

[sand pivot]

I did what you said with the 1.5 xiranite input, hopefully I can log off and wake up to no clogs 💀 @wispy grove

also I don't understand why it says SC Wuling 3/ min usage in theoretical data ngl

[atomic fiber]

the xircon should at least be stable. try show the xircon graph

[coral orchid]

59/mins in 2h graphs

When online, not touching anything, everything just back to 60/mins

[subtle finch]

are you using stash to send xircon to depot? you don't have a buffer. the delay in stash is probably the culprit

[coral orchid]

Nope

From Crucible to crucible, and buffer everything on the spot

no depot here

[wispy grove]

is that a 2 h data?

[sand pivot]

yeah

[coral orchid]

that 1 Xircon is just the one sample that I take when optimizing

[sand pivot]

that's why the huge ramp up

I only had 1 production line until recently

[wispy grove]

how long did you log off?

[sand pivot]

I haven't yet

that's why I'm saying I hope I can log off and wake up to no clogs tomorrow

[wispy grove]

oh

[sand pivot]

did you already test it yourself? did it actually work 100%?

[wispy grove]

are the crucibles empty?

[coral orchid]

here you go

[sand pivot]

empty in what sense?

liq xira or sewage?

[coral orchid]

Already send that

[wispy grove]

both

[sand pivot]

looking like this for both

[wispy grove]

hmmm yeah that wont clog when you wake up

come back again for the results

[sand pivot]

bet bet, I will post in the morning

[wispy grove]

theres still build up but only 40 sewage within 6hrs 20 min

[dark furnace]

do you have extra thermal bank connected but turned off

[sand pivot]

good call

I disconnected it but forgot to remove it

[dark furnace]

[wispy grove]

good luck wiht the factory

[sand pivot]

ty ty

the only solution for the slow build up is water treatment?

like every so often?

[wispy grove]

yeah

atleast not every 2 hrs anymore

[sand pivot]

I mean yeah it is something

[outer basin]

Do we know the solution to Xircon slowly being drained yet?

I had built up ~14k surplus as I was building the rest of the line for batteries, and I'm down to ~9k now.

[wispy grove]

oh xircon production is just slower when offline

weve been looking for a solution since last week

crucibles are just like that

[outer basin]

dang, rip

[sand pivot]

is it normal it keeps oscilating between 30/min yield 60/min usage and 60/min yield and 60/min usage while online though?

I just noticed on my AIC report that it keeps oscillating while I'm online

[marble yarrow]

now thats a weird one

[wispy grove]

nah, thats different

it should be within 1- 3 margin of error yield

yours is 30

nah

[wispy grove]

dang what did u do

[sand pivot]

I have it being transferred via protocol stashes

which explains the oscillations

but it shouldn't be decreasing the number though right?

[wispy grove]

then thats not the main cause of it

you cant sleep yet

[outer basin]

Should I not be sending Xircon to depot?

[wispy grove]

sending it or not its still the same either way

[sand pivot]

bruh nvm LOL

I rotated the machines

and forgot to switch the output ports

on the crucibles

to feed 1.5 xira

[wispy grove]

oh

w8

nahh

thats should be shown on your xiranite graph

[sand pivot]

yeah

[wispy grove]

not xircon

oh

[sand pivot]

I mean it affects xircon production though

[wispy grove]

nvm

[sand pivot]

if no liq xira

[wispy grove]

okay okay

[sand pivot]

no xircon

[wispy grove]

so its okay now right?

[sand pivot]

I am testing

seeing if it oscillates

yeah so far so good

this was the issue

one of the crucibles was not outputing liq xira

causing the 2 crucibles at the top to not produce effluent

[sand pivot]

lowering the xircon production rate

it's fixed now though

oh shit

it wasn't that though but good call

[wispy grove]

🥹

[sand pivot]

I won't login to one crucible not having enough xira input 😭

this was the issue ^

[wispy grove]

oh yeah yeah

[sand pivot]

aight Imma go eep now

goodnight and I will be back with results tomorrow 😎

[wispy grove]

good night

what a stressful day

[coral orchid]

if only this one working

[iron stratus]

that's strange

[coral orchid]

also this weird bump

@atomic fiber

[coral orchid]

Well I am not sending Xircon into Depot, just directly feed into Battery module

As usual

Offline 11/mins

Online 12/mins

weird

[dark furnace]

is this 2H graph

[coral orchid]

Yes ofc

[dark furnace]

can you check if you have cuprium shortage

[coral orchid]

this too

[warped delta]

After the mention of being able to make some YazhenC still, I setup another YC line and load-balanced the parts to use 20/min of ferrium instead of 30, which leaves me at 110/m consumption which is just under the 115/m you have when using metatransfer for ferrium. Should be about 115k extra stock bills a day then

[subtle finch]

bumps happen in valley iv too while offline, it's normal

[dark furnace]

can you show the graph of cuprium, cuprium part, and cuprium component

[coral orchid]

This is cuprium at 2h graph....
Weird it's 119/mins?

[warped delta]

Does it count as offline if you're on the ship and not in the zone with the factory?

[dark furnace]

is your cuprium refiner capped with sewage rn

[nocturne stag]

6 water treatment unit is doable for crafting components

[coral orchid]

not making cuprium yet, so it's like this

[floral pollen]

what's the new meta for dijang/metastorage transfer? then what to produce with that afterwards?

[uneven aspen]

still ferrium and syringe c with it

[dark furnace]

@coral orchid can you check all 4 cuprium refiner and their sewage amount

[outer basin]

I'm doing Dense Powder and purple V4 Battery.

[dark furnace]

preferably all of them should be at 0

[solid python]

Dense Powder

[dark furnace]

not bigger than 1

[coral orchid]

All 4 of them works fine here

[outer basin]

I'm not a DIGE enjoyer so just making a V4 battery is fine for me.

[coral orchid]

Combine 4 into 1 giant pipe

[nocturne stag]

it's normal

[wispy grove]

that bump is normal, even if you separate every single ingredient

[coral orchid]

Conduct inlet show 0 Sewage

[nocturne stag]

minor bug

[solid python]

Probably desync blip

[unreal laurel]

is that efficient?

[floral pollen]

dang so everything else just got added and that got untouched lol

[dark furnace]

what's your water input setup

[coral orchid]

Yes, because 4 of them no clogging

[uneven aspen]

yup we will have left over ferrium and you just need ferrium and yanzhen/jincao to make them soo

[dark furnace]

are you spliting 2/s water pipes into 4 in series

[coral orchid]

All of them got 50/50, also calculated because I am using 2 units/s (2 pumps into 1 pipe)

[uneven aspen]

if you want more syringe A or SC battery you need more xiranite . . . so you cant make more of them so teh next best thing and only uses ferrium is syringe c

[warped delta]

Sorta. SC batteries use ferrium powder

[muted tapir]

why does this show up 😭

[dark furnace]

then I can't really tell why you are not having a stable 120 production for cuprium

[nocturne stag]

no offline desync

[quartz otter]

you flood wuling with sewage?

[coral orchid]

This server bug frustated me

[dark furnace]

the unstable 119/120 should be the culprit of unstable syringe

[muted tapir]

this would split 2 water/s into 1/s right

[solid python]

Where's the 7 day graph?

[dark furnace]

and as the cuprium isn't producing at stable 120/m, so as the 2/s sewage for the battery

is your xircon eff crucible capping with sewage?

[coral orchid]

if your water sources is 1 pump, then it's 1 into a half
if your water sources is 2 pumps, then it's 2 into 1

[muted tapir]

ohhh so one pump gives 1/s?

[coral orchid]

1 pump = 1/s

[muted tapir]

i always though it was 2/s thats why my factory not working

tyy

[gaunt summit]

what lol

since when does a pump only give 1/s

[warped delta]

It's because he's merging all sewage and probably doesn't have a buffer tank, so if there are any hiccups in production or excessive splitters and mergers, the floating point errors and backups cause momentary disruption every so often.

[dark furnace]

just a minor warning

[gaunt summit]

I've split 1 pump into 2 lines every single time I've used them lol, never had any shortages

[warped delta]

If you've had stable perf then don't worry about it

[dark furnace]

what it tries to say is that "your computer is old, game might not support, so when it doesn't run well, don't complain" kind of thing

[warped delta]

The problem isn't 1, it's these people putting like a dozen or more on one connected pipe system.

[gaunt summit]

oh ol

yeah that clearly ai'nt gonna work xD

[warped delta]

Especially if they're unevenly splitting or merging fluids

[dark furnace]

yea... the deficiency of sewage

[warped delta]

Think of pipes not as pipes, but as belts.

[gaunt summit]

@coral orchid what's your entire line look like?

[solid python]

I unevenly split my sewage, but I accounted for the unevenness.

[floral pollen]

ig that means more frequent transfers

[warped delta]

Consider how splitters and convergers end up slowing down parts. Pipes don't work exactly like belts, but they do have a travel time associated with fluids, so they do run into some of the same issues.

[solid python]

We need a Protocol Stash (instant splitter) but for Pipes

[coral orchid]

My scheme is

1. Fresh Sewage from Core AIC -> Pack to bottle, transport to Sub AIC from Depot -> Extract (4 sources)
2. Feed looping sewage back to system by combining sewage (Fresh + Reused)
3. When System is overflowed with sewage, the overflowed one will go into 2 Water Treatment full speed

[warped delta]

Im doing meta for ferrium which leaves you with 115/min avg then put 2 load-balancers on the parts for the YanC so it's using 20 instead of 30/min. That leaves me at 110/min usage.

[wispy grove]

bottles

[coral orchid]

My Sub AIC (Top + Bottom)

[bright zodiac]

guys im sooooo close to 80K every V4 item

🙏

[subtle finch]

I was saying this, but they still somehow think fluid works flawlessly. I just treat it the same way i would treat items and avoid any issue

[solid python]

Including zipline towers?

[floral pollen]

ooh interesting

[bright zodiac]

tbh i only have like 5000zipline tower, and 80K cryston parts

too lazy to wait to generate it more

[wispy grove]

has anyone tried to not touch your factory for 3 days and only look at the AIC report for info?

[bright zodiac]

the last item im making in v4 is amethyst component towards 80K

[warped delta]

This is why I make all my cuprium at the core where I need sewage and depot it and make the parts and bottles for YanA at Sky King. That way I don't have to bottle sewage to have it in the right place. Then it means all you need is a fluid tank for buffer instead of what you're describing 😅

[solid python]

Or you could feed the sewage directly

[coral orchid]

Core AIC (Sewage fresh sources)

[bright zodiac]

if yield and usage are equal, its gonna be fine leaving wuling aic works even for a week right

[coral orchid]

Core AIC (Sewage Bottle)

[warped delta]

Haven't touched V4 in weeks other than buying stock bills. Past couple days I only transfer batteries to Wuling

[coral orchid]

if directly, need to run for 10 km of pipes

Core -> subs

[wispy grove]

nah nah v4 is so stable you can let it run alone for a month

im talking about wuling

[bright zodiac]

mannnnn, i have all bottle at 80K at v4 (except cuprium 58K at wuling)

if only manual transfer is not so ass

[gaunt summit]

@coral orchid hold up lol, are you running all of your cuprium sewage out of one set of pipes?

[bright zodiac]

dw, that outlet works perfectly fine

[gaunt summit]

how does that work fine lol

[bright zodiac]

it sends 4/s split into 2/s then split into 1/s and 1/s to each side

[coral orchid]

yes and no clogged (0.5/s each so x4 it's 2/s)

[bright zodiac]

assuming inlet has total 4/s sewage flow

[solid python]

It's the same as running 4 Forges of the Sky on one water pipe

[warped delta]

One pipe can take all sewage from the 4 just fine fwiw

[gaunt summit]

?

no it can't

[bright zodiac]

wait i shouldnt use /m

[warped delta]

Each refinery produces 30/min and a pipe can hold 120/min

[coral orchid]

pipe limit is 2/s
Production of sewage is 0.5/s actually

[gaunt summit]

sewage is the same as everything else lol

1/2s

[bright zodiac]

🙏

[warped delta]

On the flipside of that, each pipe can carry 2 pumps worth of water. So I have 2 pumps converge to 1 pipe and conduit that to each SC battery line and have it feed the 2 reactors and 2 forges off the one.

[gaunt summit]

you can't run 4 sewage sources through one single pipe lol

[nocturne stag]

pipe has twice the speed of belt

so you can

[gaunt summit]

?

[coral orchid]

I am using pipe to water down 4 facilities and it looked fine

Here is example of 120/mins Xiranite productions

[bright zodiac]

you can, even better through inlet outlet

[subtle finch]

this is the basics unc

[iron stratus]

i did it

it took 50 hours but i finally got below 3095 power

[solid python]

What zipline routes did you delete?

[iron stratus]

i never had ziplines up in the first place

i walk everywhere

[bright zodiac]

[marble yarrow]

great!!

[iron stratus]

question is can i get sub 3k

oh wait yeah duh

change all my mining rigs to hydro

[marble yarrow]

ofc u can

[iron stratus]

but that'll take me ages so i'll do it tomorrow

[coral orchid]

Try with fresh water first
1 pump generate 1/s
so you can supply water to 2 facilities (each 0.5)

Then try 2 pumps and combine it to supply 4 facilities (2 divided by 4 = 0.5 each)

[marble yarrow]

i have 30 ziplines and is at 3100 power

[upper fiber]

he is pro factory player, he is always right

[coral orchid]

It's basic principal

[gaunt summit]

lol is that one pipeline of water giving water to 4 different machiens?

[bright zodiac]

i still had 3550 usage

i slap my super excess LC v4 battery and call it done

[gaunt summit]

or 2 pupmps?

[iron stratus]

my factory might break overnight but it's too late to make sure it works right

[gaunt summit]

-p

[nocturne stag]

[iron stratus]

a full pipe with 2 pumps can supply 4 facilities

[gaunt summit]

Yeah

For some reason I swear to god in the tutorials for this zone

it said pipes can only hold 3

not 4

lol

[bright zodiac]

u guys did tutorial?

[coral orchid]

2 pumps obviously
Here is my pump schematics

[young stag]

only ever bothered doing it for conduit

[thorny galleon]

Can a Reactor Crucible process two recipes at the same time?

[final escarp]

Alright time to put the reactor crucible to the test

[thorny galleon]

I'm just wondering why they can handle so many inputs/outputs

[marble yarrow]

idk, you must have seen the "1 pump = 3 hydro mining rigs"

[young stag]

i thought you could configure them in top down mode

[final escarp]

Is it true the reactor crucible is not 100% efficient?

[gaunt summit]

did you get the msg's i dm'd you

[wispy grove]

i did tutorial

but convergers do make 3 into 1

maybe thats why

[final escarp]

No unfortunately not...

[coral orchid]

what I don't know is that
could pipe withstand 3+ pumps?

[final escarp]

Oof lol

[gaunt summit]

lol i swear to god when they introduced pipes, it said pipes can only carry 3 per pipe

[upper fiber]

did the tutorial say 3 holes in with converger or 3 pipes max, that's the question

[gaunt summit]

check your dm's real quick

and see if its there

lol

[bright zodiac]

back on 1.1 launch days, I was about to click it, but then i read and kinda understand it

TBH i still havent click instant finish that new 3 tutorial AIC 2 (wuling)

[gaunt summit]

nless i sent that shit to the wrong person, but i dont think so lol

[young stag]

the only thing that said 3/s is water pump outlet

[solid python]

I made this without the tutorials. The pipes were enough.

[gaunt summit]

@young stag oic

[young stag]

the max output for wuling is easy enough to acheive

[coral orchid]

here you go

[gaunt summit]

ya

well flow rate is 2 units

that capacity seems unreal tho

lol

[coral orchid]

2/s

1 facility need 0.5/s

so

[wispy grove]

the capacity the length of the pipe

[coral orchid]

maximum

[gaunt summit]

How is it .5/s

Lol

Oh I see

I never clicked a pipe before

;D

[solid python]

[bright zodiac]

@gaunt summit
just think of it like

1pump gives 1/s
but if 1pump has 50water
it will transfer 2/s (max capacity)

until it drains and reach 0water storage, it became 1/s

to make it more, you use more pump converge into that pipe, so that pipe always run full capacity water flow

[nocturne stag]

no flying pipes 😋

[dark furnace]

@wispy grove the spliter and converger I have here is making sure the crucibles are receiving more than 0.5/s sewage (0.546/s sewage) until they clogged and the overflow all goes back to the treatment

[gaunt summit]

all the buildings legit say 1 whatever liquid per formula

and they all operate on 2/s

nothing operates in .5's lol

unless this game doing behind the scenes math

[bright zodiac]

production took 2s

[dark furnace]

wrong image

[gaunt summit]

Yes

[solid python]

0.5/s is 1 every 2s

[coral orchid]

Simple, from Production speed of baseline
1 product every 2s

• Production Recipe says that
• Transport Belt states 0.5 units/s

Summary
it's 0.5/s

[dark furnace]

my clipboard fucked up

[gaunt summit]

Sure

but nothing in this game operates on .5's

sewage isn't generated in .5/s

its generated in 1/2s

[solid python]

We use 0.5 for math

[marble yarrow]

its just simplified rate

[dark furnace]

for average

[gaunt summit]

ya'll weird af lol

[bright zodiac]

thats why for easier understanding i mention

1pump 1water
4pump 4facility

[marble yarrow]

bro doesnt know lowest term

[final escarp]

Wait i can't believe reactor crucible is actually not 100% efficient offline

[gaunt summit]

I know what lowest terms are

[upper fiber]

🍭

[final escarp]

My Xircon is fkkeed

[nocturne stag]

🤣

[dark furnace]

average is always better to calcuate for long run

[final escarp]

Thanks so much @gaunt summit for testing

[gaunt summit]

Lol Avy I'm almost 100% sure that

it's just desync

[coral orchid]

Uhh....

[dark furnace]

anyway

[gaunt summit]

from login/logout

and it operates totally fine apart from like 2 seconds

XD

[dark furnace]

what you did

[coral orchid]

That's why we need to combat it with DIY

[bright zodiac]

so u literally saying yourself

.5/s isnt same with 1/2s

[gaunt summit]

It is the same

[final escarp]

Ok so basically login/logout fewer times for better efficiency

[gaunt summit]

But does teh pipeline say it moves .5?

Does any machine say it produces .5?

No

[bright zodiac]

[marble yarrow]

well if you prefer it that way. but some prefer per second value

either way its same

[wispy grove]

try adding one more splitter here

[gaunt summit]

like lol

[solid python]

I think splitters use 0.5 in their text. I'm not in game to check.

[gaunt summit]

what's the value of complicating it like that

[coral orchid]

1 pump -> 2 facilities

1 facility eats 1 water every 2s -> 1 : 2 = 0.5

[marble yarrow]

we're comfortable with it

you use yours, we use ours

[gaunt summit]

Sure lol

[bright zodiac]

oh i might wrote that wrong, lulx

somehow i confuse it myself
I always been using 2pump converge 1inlet

and 1outlet to 4facility, how did ibwrote that wrong, im drunk

[gaunt summit]

what's weird to me is that if a pipe's flow rate is 2, and you put two pumps into a pipe lol..

thats putting 4 into the pipe with a flow rate of 2, which should clog it

which is why i never did single pipe lines like that

[upper fiber]

if no converger....