aic-factory

[wispy grove]

I wanna make xircon effluent without the inert output

So that you only need 1 crucible instead of 2

Combining everything within one crucible

[subtle finch]

that's not even possible, you saw from the pic it's clogged because there's no room for the inert circ

[storm garnet]

holy, almost there

[wispy grove]

Sad

[winter ingot]

Is it just me pouring all possible liquids into new bottles just to add the recipes?

[coral orchid]

wow

[subtle finch]

pass through is possible, just fill the first crucible with liquid xiranite first before sending in the sewage. you can also put a garbage item like 1 sandleaf to prevent xircon fluid production

[winged oriole]

This one neat trick can prevent your sewage passthrough from misreacting

[winter ingot]

haha

same neurotic behavior as me

[pulsar sail]

naaah

[storm garnet]

i'm using my xiranite reactors for food atm, but i'll try to remember the sewage trick if i remake it

[subtle finch]

this is my setup, bottom uses sewage passthrough, top one producing liquid xiranite and yazhen solution at the same time

[thin adder]

i see cool thx

[storm garnet]

i wonder if having 0 xiranite might still fuck it up

or even water

man, it's so risky

yea, i'm gonna pass

[delicate seal]

How much is the xircon output of the top part?

[subtle finch]

30/min like normal

[charred quest]

Can anyone help me get up here

[cyan forge]

Question on that, why do we have that yaz A dip?

[coral orchid]

I am trying your modulation, using this

[dark furnace]

I am trying to save some space and I wonder if I am doing it correctly for 55/m ferrium 5050 split for parts and bottle

[subtle finch]

that's just how it is with offline calculations. when online it's completely flat. my guess is their sample rate sometimes miss

[cyan forge]

That's so annoying

Am trying to understand how to make it never dip..

[dark furnace]

are your crucible clogged with both xiranite and sewage

[delicate seal]

On the left bottom there is a fluid tank. How much sewage do you have in it after a day?

[subtle finch]

zero

[glossy rapids]

Anyone else Sewage always full 50 on your reactor crucible while Xiranite always at 0 ONLY WHEN U AWAY ?. If stay at base to check thing up everything always run smoothly

[winged oriole]

if it's fed by belts you can use all splitters and convergers and bridges and they'll behave ideally offline. But if it's fed by liquid you have to overprovision the inputs.

[cyan forge]

Idk, don't think so

It runs fine when am online

Just when am offline it shows that small dip

[glossy rapids]

lol guess someone have same problem with me right now

[uneven aspen]

lik this?

[dark furnace]

tang tang messing with your AIC

[glossy rapids]

same here man, always normal when spend time checking, but everytime u login 1 in a while, it always clogged up

[dark furnace]

imagine not clogging like this

[glossy rapids]

both Crucible is 50 sewage 0 xiranite for me

and the Outlet is staying at 200 no changing for the past 30min when i'm staying here alrdy

[subtle finch]

the thickest pipe on the junction of the recycling point was 18 sewage. like i said back then, unless your setup is wrong, sewage buildup is very slow, and it's easy to catch

[uneven aspen]

I got a question, so im trying to get both reactors to be 20/min xiranite instead of the usualy 30/min

would it be fine to go 30/min on one and other at 10/min?

also what a beltsetup with no stashing for 10/min?

[dark furnace]

yea that makes both belts 20/m, and for 10/m just split two belts back to one converger

[uneven aspen]

oh if i finally get the reasoning behind those splitter/converger placemetns thanks

so splitter splits 30 into 10-10-10, and you send them back to conveger instead of depotloader/stash makes sense

[dark furnace]

kinda like that, converger clogs the source when there are other input, utilize that and you can get any output you want

or you could just play with the belt like the image I showed, and remember the setup for certain output

[vast iron]

Just remember it works as intended when the input belt is full efficiency

Otherwise it will clog less

And output be higher than intended

[hallow monolith]

its funny i have to manually nuke these bottles to ensure i don't block sewage production thats fueling my batteries

or maybe i need to switch my sewage source so im building 3:1 cuprium parts to bottle to clear it out

god this is a headache

[vast iron]

Put more sewage into it and use a priority lane ig?

[hallow monolith]

these compact bases are biting me in the butt... ideally i should be able to fork a belt off to go make parts from here if i want to slow down bottle production

[vast iron]

Probably doable, tho idk the specifics

[jagged locust]

what do i do with sewage? it's getting out of hand

[cedar phoenix]

drink it

(there is a building made for that)

[vast iron]

Treatment facility (end of production I tab)

Or you can bottle it and use it for deliveries

(Not recommended)

[wary perch]

so 512 is the limit huh

[thorn pike]

that's what she said

[vast iron]

[hoary mantle]

Dump it in Wuling

[thorn pike]

sned it to Dijang

[vast iron]

We dump it into the aether (this is why they hate us)

[jagged locust]

it says i'm not allowed to dump it into the river

[hoary mantle]

you have to dump it in the streets of wuling city

[jagged locust]

fangyi would disaprove

[vast iron]

[vast iron]

Drink it

[hoary mantle]

write a graffitti "Regards from Qingbo Stockade"

[vast iron]

You can bottle it and spray people with sewage using jet drone, probably...

[jagged locust]

once we get another outpost i will turn it into sewage storage

[vast iron]

This sounds like researchless behavior

Tutorial skipper too probably

[jagged locust]

those are unnessesary

[hallow monolith]

if I remake this base i'm gonna modularize the cuprium ore production entirely so i can manage what i want to feed into moulding/fitting units, direct production feed is kinda awful

[lapis crane]

is this number good enough for swappable normal yezhen/sc batt farm and one with components

anti clog system with tested in 0 xiranite start
(but adding extra cuprium refinery to use up excess cuprium that very slowly addng up normally run at 120/120)

yes it offline result

[iron spoke]

is it viable to produce all the cup in the subpac. and bottle the sewage in say cryston bottles and only fluid seperate it as necessary at the main pac for xircon?

[hollow bear]

how do you go into top view on mobile

[lapis crane]

when u in aic area u can just tap the 3d to 2d for top view

[keen river]

just tap the button in the middle of screen

[hollow bear]

okay thanks

[lapis crane]

I would just run anti clog overflow system and call it a day

separating liquid take more energy for nothing

[uneven aspen]

interesting idea to transfer fluids between outpost and main aic. No idea if it's viable

i wonder if there's many people who even tested an idea like that

[hallow monolith]

wow when you move a conduit it disconnects it from the inlet, thats so fucking criiiiinge

[trail mirage]

having to go back and forth 2 times when you can fit it all into main aic is not worth

[uneven aspen]

i mean maybe someone has an use case for that, unlikely though

my subaic is for 6 xiranite forges

[lapis crane]

yeah it could be viable when u bring sewage just to make both yazhen production and sewage system entirely on main aic

while limiting only bottle and refinery on sub

but taking out liquid itself is also using facility for extra energy cost
and also you can just run sewage loop system anyway

[cloud minnow]

We need level switches for tanks and automatic valves to automate liquid management

[lapis crane]

im basically using this for anti clog extra sewage management (especially when swapping from component production)

while still focus max sewage on crucible

[iron spoke]

love the idea but don't understand it from just the image. Is it merging all generated sewage and still keeping some overflow when treating most of the excess?

[proud flax]

what is the conduct unit and how it is suppose to work

[cloud minnow]

Damn, how does this work? It looks like you did what I want to do(I'm an industrial automation engineer and this is what I do IRL btw lol). What I want to do is tank area in the middle and gather all sewage to those tanks and distribute it from there and redirect the excess to water treatment units

[proud flax]

here is mine the left one compared to the right one the original blueprint

[lapis crane]

yeah it is basically capable to deletion of all sewage when crucible is off since it same for all pipe transfer speed (2/s), waste prduction (1/2s x2), and possible max outflow treatment system (2/2s)

[silent karma]

Can someone tldr why my dense originium/steelparts/steelbottles keep clogging? I have the correct number of inputs and I the final packaging unit is never clogged

[lapis crane]

but still focus 3/4 (u need 1/2) of sewage to prioritize on getting it to crucible

and take overflow to both treatment without clog

[slate plume]

this sewage / xiranite liquid build up is pissing me off so much

[native laurel]

if you really care about buildup just make a buffer compensator

cuz I assume youre using a manifold setup like everybody else

[lapis crane]

I’m done
just need more offline testing for actual validation

since I test with 0 xiranite on storage

getting rid of them 10k+ of xiranite is pain

[slate plume]

im stupid about this topic

so i literally dont know what to do more since i tried multiple setups

[lapis crane]

I need one that can auto anti-clog system for both normal production and both xiranite and cuprium component production

just switch and no clog
trying to do that

[native laurel]

VIP and VOP juctions havent been added yet cuz the devs are slow asf

just give em like a few years

[lapis crane]

tested with one extra cuprium refinery running for steady offline result and it seem great

need to test with limitations of 120/120 cuprium usage for extra validation

[slate plume]

i have this setup 2x

[native laurel]

but you can make a very rudimentary VIP by just spamming splitter mergers

[tough scarab]

you could just make a stash of components and then remove the whole line, convert it to a proper stock trading setup

then you don't need to worry about clogging when switching since you won't be switching

[cloud minnow]

Reminds me of this

[iron spoke]

can't tell whats a merger and splitter from the image do you have a sharable blueprint?

[lapis crane]

im using modified @nova pilot ‘s symmetrical base
while can handle auto anti clog

and rn it almost done

[sand pivot]

this is basically about as compact as I managed, green pipe is supposed to simulate a liquid xiranite input

[native laurel]

im using a variant of ryzens ultra compact and its about 10% more space efficent i think

[sand pivot]

can we just get pipes that connect a facility to another without using a tile? 😭

hate this hot mess with pipes

[sand pivot]

what is the purpose of the fluid tanks?

[lapis crane]

just done offline testing

99% of base design is from @nova pilot symmetrical base
I just remodified it with anti clog system for both xiranite production and sewage when toggle on/off component production

while deleting fertilizer production line cuz i dont use it

[native laurel]

it was pre 1.1 ss so i didnt have the waste setup properly

[native laurel]

ill get a ss of it rn gimme sec

[gray oar]

How much ferrium/minute is obtainable in Valley IV?

[sand pivot]

1080

at max RDL

[gray oar]

damn exactly enough for 18 A bucks per minute

nice

[sand pivot]

yeah

u can have 3 bucks A

[slate plume]

does this setup get rid of the xiranite liquid build up too

[lapis crane]

I need to test with this number

I dont even need more cuprium and xiranite comp

[sand pivot]

and 3 HC

@gray oar

[elfin saffron]

Does anyone have a beginner blueprint for xiranite component eu/na? when I search them up it always requires depot bus which I don’t have enough stock bills to unlock

[gray oar]

yeah i already have the HC production, i was just procrastinating with the 3rd buck line up until now

[sand pivot]

there's some in #1461542035617091681

I'd share mine but it's still under development 💀

since about 7 hours ago

[lapis crane]

yes

basically using 120 xiranite (fluctuate) for both xircon production and component

[hallow monolith]

omg... i hit equilibrium on cuprium bottles and parts...

i feel euphoric

[lapis crane]

didnt change any base layout

all I did is toggle component production on
(didnt test with fixed 120 cuprium yet)

[native laurel]

My total footprint is 3433 tiles total for the entire thing, I havent seen numbers for DraconicS' base yet but idk

[slate plume]

i give up i wont be able to fix this.

[native laurel]

I have about a 12% wasted tile rate which is kinda ass

[lapis crane]

still need more testing to be done for exact 120/120 cuprium limit (since this one use extra refinery there)

[sand pivot]

his is symmetric so it's not focused on space efficiency

can't have both

[native laurel]

yea thats what I was thinking

Unfortunatley I need a massive space suprplus cuz im making a binary calculator in the extra space rn

[lapis crane]

yeah why need space efficiency when u still have a whole lot left and also look good

[sand pivot]

you either have a space efficient abomination or a neat space inefficient factory

[sand pivot]

I mean I am not dissing you though

I am just saying it's not gonna be space optimized

I enjoy symmetric factories too

[tough scarab]

I enjoy the chaos of a space efficient factory

[lapis crane]

that basically what made me to use 1500/h ferrium from metastorage for this abomination

[sand pivot]

I hate it but I am not managing to make it look decent with all these pipes

I could waste a bunch of space with inlets and outlets

but I don't want to waste power on them either

[lapis crane]

30 surplus and 1500/h ferrium is spending greatly

[tough scarab]

inlets and outlets don't take power though?

[sand pivot]

do they not?

[elfin saffron]

Having difficulty finding ones without depot buses but I think I found some compact ones that can be adapted to be used without the depot buses so hopefully it works ty for the help

[native laurel]

no lmao

[tough scarab]

pretty sure they don't

[native laurel]

its only water treatment takes 50

[sand pivot]

oh yeah they don't

yesterday when my power was out they had a battery icon above them

so I assumed they needed power to work

[lapis crane]

yeah look at those pipes

it beautiful

dont mind those storage
those are excess xiranite need to store for testing

[sand pivot]

I still think the pipes look ugly though but with what we have, they look aesthetic

like I just don't like the pipes in general 😭

I wish we could just somehow connect a factory to another via bluetooth

it also triggers me that we can't choose which side is the input and which side is the output on the machines, it'd allow for better pipe management

like if I could have one crucible with an input on the left and output on the right and another crucible with the input and outputs inverted the pipes would be manageable

[lapis crane]

now I can sleep well knowing I’m done with my base

but idk if I should get the bp since it just redesign from jas’ base

[gray oar]

can i make my power line go through this ledge or do i actually have to go around it?

[sand pivot]

the way I see it, you still changed some stuff so I would and just give him credit when you share it

[native laurel]

just jump down while running power

[sand pivot]

but it's up to Jas really

[gray oar]

i need it up, not down

[native laurel]

yea power can be run when you connect it by jumping down

[lapis crane]

i will always give him credit cuz he is 99% of the build and those fix itself
(yes he fixed like 5 times)

[sand pivot]

I should test my abomination of a machine

but I am so lazy to disconnect the ugly rushed ones I did yesterday 💀

[lapis crane]

my problem is that I need anti clog system so i can just run component line without not much to think about something ruined up clogged and deleted both syringe and battery gain massively

[sand pivot]

having to reconnect all the pipes is giving me all sorts of aids

[lapis crane]

now i got component from testing that I will ever need in entire 1.1

[sand pivot]

honestly when I am running components Imma just turn off the batteries

it is what it is

I can't be asked creating a recipe that integrates components creation

[lapis crane]

mine is auto adjusting itself just pop comp on and off
no clog

[nova pilot]

I don't mind it @lapis crane no need to credit me

[gray oar]

is it possible to get my line up on that ledge?

[lapis crane]

nah u did like 99% of stuff

[native laurel]

place a relay up top, begin transmission, drop down, connect, boom power

[nova pilot]

You did some of the work too and you even add improvements

[gray oar]

oh that's what you meant

[vapid granite]

Yooo that actually might be kinda smart

imagine two inputs of xirinite on a formula that only requires 1 xirinite input while you use the other xirinite input as your output to another crucible with xirinite to create more xirinite liquid to turn both crucibles into xircon while saving space cause you used two xiriniite into one crucible

Bro you're so smart

[lapis crane]

I’m just need to make my intuitive thought become reality

and since I saw many people having same problem
I need to bring that to really work

[iron spoke]

which logistic is merge and which is split and which way are they facing. I still can't figure it out lol

[native laurel]

this is the msot compact design i think so far for 120 xiranite/min

[vapid granite]

Your depot bus aren't a straight line, failiure of a design

restart

[native laurel]

higher depot efficenty by 150% 🤷

[cedar phoenix]

the fact it's not in a line is the point to have more depots in the same footprint

[lapis crane]

there not much logic to think then it basically

bring more (75%) to crucible
while looping it so that it never go out to treatment unit without “overflowing”

but when overflow it can take entire 2 refinery waste to treatment if needed

but 1 treatment unit isnt enough so I redesigned to be 2 of them

[gray oar]

no way to connect this one directly, right?

[nova pilot]

I actually shared the earlier build in Facebook and someone stole it. Now the ones asking for his help about the small issues and he doesn't know how to solve them

[native laurel]

possible with parkour

im sure ive got a bilibili clip of some1 doing it around here somewhere

[brazen vortex]

[gray oar]

that would be really nice

i did jump the fence but the next part looks harder

[subtle finch]

that's actually nice, but extra 100 power is . i'd rather just have a tank buffer in between

[lapis crane]

yeah
most issues are from components clog as it seem

I tried to bring sewage system fixed and then xiranite overflow

that why I need to delete fertilizer line so I can use that space for looping xiranite unit

(which only take to storage when clogged so still producing max possible xiranite when lower rate of actual xircon produce when using either originium or cuprium for both component)

ngl tested with 0 xiranite in storage and it work fine

those 10k xiranite really killing testing

[nova pilot]

Do you have a zipline on one of the Mountains near the AIC? I'm trying to get a good overworld view

[left bear]

remade my xiranite factories

[nova pilot]

The one where the factory is pointed

I wanna make it look like a tank

[native laurel]

I do

[left bear]

looks a bit uglier bc i put the extra plants in the middle to use up space, any improvements i can add there?

[native laurel]

send a request i gotchu

[nova pilot]

Asia?

[native laurel]

oh nah sorry NA

[nova pilot]

Ahh too bad, thanks anyways

[gray oar]

it seems i can't go any further than this 😔

[uneven aspen]

So the left side is all 6 sources of sewage and the % yields

The right side are all 4 xireffu reactors and how much % of sewage they want.

The idea is to send all the sewage through them and then to the watertreatment.

Will this work?

[nova pilot]

You can stick them together like this

[uneven aspen]

left side total is 2.666666666666667/s of sewage while pipes can only move 2/s

Do I need to make it into 2 pipelines instead?

[lapis crane]

these one right?
I also got from other people cuz mobile basically cant do the yvonne/lava jump glitch

[native laurel]

this vid shows what I did but theres an even more efficent one im tryna find
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV197zfBpEaX/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

[nova pilot]

Top left 2nd one
It's fine if you don't have it. I've been waiting for weeks for it to spawn naturally

[native laurel]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yUcczaEQu/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click
nvm i found it lmao

[cursive tapir]

Is this power usage normal for someone who has everything in all wuling zones covered in ziplines?

[gray oar]

[native laurel]

if yall are NA i can share you most of the bugged op lines

[native laurel]

if youre max turret max ziplines then it should be at 3.8k on the nose

[native laurel]

...

[left bear]

well i honestly don't know how to use up the extra space now still

[lapis crane]

yeah rip

[native laurel]

yo dawg what the jincao feeding tf

am i crazy or is the middle jincao just there for no reason

[left bear]

they're going in the loader

they're used in the factories to both sides of them

[nova pilot]

You forgot the other output for the one in the middle

[cursive tapir]

Could it be the sprinklers on the farm that's pushing me over?

[nova pilot]

It's only going inside the Seeder

[native laurel]

am i blind what is it connected to

[left bear]

i did it i forgot to include it in the screenshot after lol

[native laurel]

likely

[real crescent]

huh that island is shareable?

[native laurel]

on NA yeah u want?

[left bear]

it's right above it anyway

[real crescent]

nah i have it myself i just thought it was not shareable

[real crescent]

made good use of ruan yi airlines whilst we have that

[native laurel]

real

[real crescent]

wheres that very right one?

[nova pilot]

Is this where the blight ocean is?

[native laurel]

its on the kite thingy behind

its so far the blight were behind it lol

[real crescent]

ah, another kite

[edgy scaffold]

tf did you even get over there?

[real crescent]

theres currently a noclip flight bug ^^

[native laurel]

the new flying bug with the boss tp

[left bear]

had to go move the loader in 3d bc the pipe was blocking it but it's the same overall

[native laurel]

but you can also make it with the lifeng cam trick with a kitezipline

I know cuz ive tried

[left bear]

well not move it, erase it bc i made another one

[lone pulsar]

is there a top early game blueprint for NA/EU server, and what do I need to have minimum to use it?

[edgy scaffold]

what is even over there just random stuff?

[native laurel]

yo @nova pilot have you tried the the blueprint inheritance to build facotries OOB yet?

[native laurel]

yea lol

[real crescent]

nah not really, cos early game your production lines constantly change as you unlock new stuff

[real crescent]

a small island, shrubbery, and a platform with stairs

[edgy scaffold]

neat

[real crescent]

honestly its mainly a cool spot to take pictures from

[lone pulsar]

at what point should I look for a blueprint and do u have recs for what one I should use?

[nova pilot]

First time I've heard about it. What's that?

[native laurel]

you can bug out a blueprint in a way to move structures out of PAC boundaries and theys till function

seach it up on bilibili

[left bear]

man isn't there a bridge for pipes

[real crescent]

when you unlocked all production relevant tech buildings. dont really have any specific recommendations, theres like a dozen different blueprints by various people that all basically produce the same stuff, any endgame bp will do

[native laurel]

nop

cuz remember if pipes are over 1m offset in y axis thye dont need it

[real crescent]

i wonder how this works with facility limit. does it still count to pac or does it allow you to place more

[native laurel]

thats why you see quad overlap pipes on the chinese builds

[native laurel]

they dont lol

[left bear]

oh those are water pipes

lmao

[native laurel]

i managed to get a line of 45 ziplines OOB ad they didnt count for zipcap

[real crescent]

[nova pilot]

[native laurel]

if you have enough bugged ziplines you can use the lifeng plunge cam trick to overlap up to 5 pipes over the same tile

[lone pulsar]

is this full early game bp good? https://mobalytics.gg/arknights-endfield/bases/blueprints

[real crescent]

do you happen to have the link of that video you send a screenshot of?

[native laurel]

the title is on top lemme find it

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1yewgzoEgu/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click

here

[real crescent]

the good thing about that is that its just single lines and not a full base

so you can pick what you have unlocked, wanna do

[real crescent]

thanks!

[lone pulsar]

k tysm!

[real crescent]

but in general id recommend to not skip making the production lines with blueprints

[native laurel]

the pipe overlay trick is pretty OP cuz it allows for i think 10 pumps/pipe/tile

which is the most compact way to transport water inside PAC

[real crescent]

they kinda build on top of each other in terms of complexity, so doing one after the other from the beginning is a great way to learn

[lone pulsar]

ok ty!

[nova pilot]

Thanks a lot for sharing it. I might need it soon. I made and use this setup for stronger flow but I don't like how it looks

[native laurel]

yea you can stack up to 5 of your "strong" pipes into 1 tile with 5 pipes kek

[viscid plover]

smh my head
in the year 2026?

[native laurel]

its just REALLY cancer to set up the offset pipes

[brazen vortex]

Wait, why would you need strong flow?

[native laurel]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1gb6HB5EhG/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click
@edgy scaffold

[edgy scaffold]

thx

[native laurel]

its also the only way to set up the power plateu - hub zipline

i shared it to my firend and he got sandleaf at authority 15 or smth

[edgy scaffold]

lol

[native laurel]

the amount of bugs this game has that the non CN community dk about is insane

the current 2 goals im seeing ppl trying to do is getting a compact VIP and a computer working

[real crescent]

you can get through the eviction zone on a zip in time?

[marble yarrow]

amogus

[native laurel]

unfortunatley we dont have a proper use for a VIP yet but the computer is funny asf cuz we can do basic math already

[native laurel]

yea

have you not tried lol?

theres a few invisible floors and walls to place ziplines

[thin adder]

i like how u can get water from anyplace on map as long as u conect pipes XD

[native laurel]

its like a window of 10 tiles wide to go through without getting the 3s eviction

[brazen vortex]

Bro refuses to use inlets.

[lapis crane]

now all u need is conduits
no need the pipe mess

[real crescent]

i played a bit around in that area but didnt think it was doable directly

[thin adder]

i actualy like the pipe mess, looks so cool honestly

[marble yarrow]

real

[native laurel]

you have use the lifeng plunge trick to get under the boss arena cuz theres an invisible clippable floor under there and clip past the rocks with ardelia

[lapis crane]

me when trying save space be like

[brazen vortex]

Factories would look like a huge mess though if you had to drag pipes everywhere.

[leaden drift]

i thought ardelia was patched

[brazen vortex]

If only they would let us flip facilities around instead of just rotate.

[native laurel]

i set it up prepatch so idk if its dooable anymore but you can still use it

[severe nexus]

Unfortunately that would break 90% of liquid blueprints

[marble yarrow]

real. best to use for hydro rigs

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1482211226812416051/pipers.mp4?ex=69bc0f06&is=69babd86&hm=aa5f7b6a5f432c8f01fa40d03d594bb2cc67e8a5a4e83245878f3b031cd6fec6&

[thin adder]

u can acutaly set up pipes higher than then the buildings, alowing them to pass over them..this one for example

[native laurel]

@nova pilot this what you should be doing to stack pipes, he knwos whats up

[real crescent]

if they are shareable, would you mind sending me a copy of those zips?

[native laurel]

exactly

[thin adder]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-16743259178450786472

[thin adder]

u have to have a higher altitude source of water though :p...not mny around

[native laurel]

no you dont have to, you can disconnect ad reconnect

the height is preserved

[thin adder]

look at this so cool!!

[native laurel]

6077928959 NA
ill see if I can get around the evict bc they're a lot more insistent on the no floating thing after update

tomorrow

you can find how to set it up on bilibili btw

i just folled that tut

[iron spoke]

if you put the stronger flow on the right into an inlet. will it come out stronger in the outlet as well?

[native laurel]

yes

[thin adder]

its just looks diferent with all pipes around

[iron spoke]

does it only work with 2 or can you use 4 with that pattern into an inlet?

[native laurel]

the recommended is 2 cuz not many bps need more than that per segment

i believe it is capped at 2 as well

[iron spoke]

with a 2 stronger flow how many splitters can you use?

[brazen vortex]

TBH I could probably run pipes through to my stuff, but then it would ruin how symmetrical things are.

[native laurel]

1 single strong pipes are enoguh for the 120 cuprium parts

[iron spoke]

how much for planters reactors and forges?

[native laurel]

i have no clue, ask jas he might know

[subtle finch]

each pump can provide for 2 machines

[brazen vortex]

Why do you have so much water coming in though?

[native laurel]

im just lazy and did the layered pipes

[thin adder]

some machines on other side of base gget little water, so i put pipes on all 4 sides just in case..also now i have more than enough water for futures patches

is there any way to quantify the water production per pump?/any1 know?

like 2 units/sec per pump???

[sand pivot]

1 pipe of liquid xiranite feeds 2 crucible reactors right? since they only use 1 every 2 seconds each and pipes transport 2 every second?

[native laurel]

no

its 1 for 1

[sand pivot]

oh wait

I am stupid

I went over this yesterday in my thoughts

[native laurel]

it should be ratio of 4:4:2 xiranite, effluent, xircon

[sand pivot]

cause liquid xiranite production also takes 2s

I am dumb lmao ignore it

[thin adder]

I USE this setup..its not optimized but its simmetrical -ish

[native laurel]

@thin adder

[south oasis]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hyperbeatsvn-triple-t-big-hur-m00wL13zWbXesOxfLP

[thin adder]

i like to plan my builds but not that hard

[sand pivot]

the factory must grow clog!

[lapis crane]

what to do with this

testing offline factory lead me to this

[native laurel]

max you main dps' gear lol

[lapis crane]

too broke for green cubes

and my rng is just

[native laurel]

tell me about it

[south oasis]

this is to get pieces of gear

[native laurel]

it took every discounted cube for 2 weeks to max laev

I hit the 21 sac cap on evvery peice of gear it was horrid

[thin adder]

what cubes?

[native laurel]

the wuling artificing catalyst

[sand pivot]

is my yazhen production line efficient? I seem to be making more parts than I apparently need but I'm not sure, like I did the math and it produces 1 syringe every 10s and it uses 10 parts and 5 yazhen solution bottles (1 part/s and 0.5 yazhen solution/s)?

[native laurel]

nop cuz you should have 2 fitters to 1 mould

other than that u chillin

[sand pivot]

wait 2 fitters for each moulding unit?

[native laurel]

ratio yea cuz 2 refiners per 1 moulding unit

always

you could also stash the spare yazhen powder for depot deliveries

[sand pivot]

oh bruh I didn't see the 2 cuprium per bottle

[native laurel]

but thats an extra 5 power

or sum

[sand pivot]

I don't do depot deliveries 💀

idm the yazhen powder waste tbh dw

[lapis crane]

only if i didnt forced to test the production line

i got more than I could use for

[native laurel]

your wasted tile looks really high as well

looks arund 18% give or take no?

[sand pivot]

so wait what do I need to do on my factory? remove the 2nd moulding and connect the 2 refineries to the leftover moulding unit?

idm tile waste though

[native laurel]

then yeah

[sand pivot]

I want something that doesn't look completely disgusting/ chaotic but is still efficient in terms of production (not space)

[native laurel]

yeah then do that

[sand pivot]

so

2 refineries > moulding machine > fitter

that it?

[native laurel]

yea

[sand pivot]

tysm!

[native laurel]

idk but if you dont wanna exploit pipelayering this is a bp i made a few days ago

[lapis crane]

what about symmetrical anti clog wuling base

[native laurel]

cuz if you maxheight pipes it can go over buildings

but that requires you to bug the game really hard

[south oasis]

you dont just get a few pieces of gear and slap them onto your characters. you also have to upgrade them.
and upgrading is done by feeding other gear pieces to them, which you also have to craft with those materials

[native laurel]

hopefully the CN kids figure out how to do sub 3k footprint without OOB someday

being at 3.5k is hella annoying

[sand pivot]

@native laurel I fixed the space and added a line from the shredder to the stash

[stoic prairie]

If I ignore Yazhen [A] and build two SC Wuling battery, will that nuke my wuling's originum economy?

[sand pivot]

however the yazhen powder line might be a bad idea

cause I feel like it will clog the protocol stash

once the storage is full

[native laurel]

at max RDL it is perfect 1:1 consuption to production

[stoic prairie]

Ho nice

[native laurel]

just switch to the cuprium yazhen

[stoic prairie]

What about the Wuling component?

Since that one also requires like 3 grinder worth of origi

Should I stop producing those?

[native laurel]

you might be able to optimize futher buy shifting the right 2 refineries to the ss i posted and move fitting units down 2 tiles ish mayb

[native laurel]

you can split some xiranite and cuprium parts into side producer easily

you just tank a lil syringe+battery prod but you dont need much anyways

[stoic prairie]

Ic ic

[native laurel]

most ppl get ~4k cuprium parts and then stash the facilities

or however much you need

[stoic prairie]

Enlightening

And whats the current highest possible Cuprium yield?

[native laurel]

120/min

[stoic prairie]

Sooo 4 unloaders?

[native laurel]

results into 12 SC wulingbatts

yeha

[native laurel]

more compact bps but example

[stoic prairie]

Will keep that in mind, thanks for the advice

🙏

[native laurel]

#1480687389373497487 message

[hidden temple]

any clogs/issues distributing the xiranite this way?

[native laurel]

this is the most compact so far, at 3.4k footprint 😥

[native laurel]

nop

[native laurel]

Me alongsize ryzen and many others are trying to push into the sub 10% wasted tileage space

its insanely difficult

[lapis crane]

nope
normally direct xiranite line is one usually clog when something goes wrong

[native laurel]

take a look @hidden temple #1480687389373497487 message

[native laurel]

also remember fluids can be treated the same

[lapis crane]

yeah clog on liquid also effects everything

[bold kernel]

1 inlet is connected to sprinkler system. And 1 is connected to originium ore veins less thzn 200 meter from farm

[native laurel]

use a fluid tank instead of extra pump back there

less power tank

and just use a manifold instead of grid if you really wanna care about pipe logistics cap

[bold kernel]

that is the new outlet tech I am using

[native laurel]

cuz you might wanna do the fence trick on essence fissure thingy

[bold kernel]

nd I am onluy using 1 for the sprinklers

[bold kernel]

what essence figure thing? I am in the AIC farm area in wuling

[native laurel]

you can fence in the essence farming area with a 2x layered of pipe logistics so enemies cant run away from a turret setup lol

[bold kernel]

here is the location because I am not sure what you are talking about. sorry for my lack of understanding

[sand pivot]

the only segment of my factory that I actually enjoy currently lmfao

[native laurel]

on monitoring center, at the essence crisis thing, if you surround the spawnpoint with pipe bridges, etc. you can trap enemies inside a fixed area for turrets to kill

its consisteltly 20s faster than non turret setups

[sand pivot]

on the place to farm essences, you can block the enemies with buildings and place turrets to auto farm it for you

so you don't have to be hitting them yourself

[bold kernel]

ah now I understand what you mean't. nice I did not know that 🙂 thanks for the idea. I might try it

[native laurel]

problem is it takes around ~330for triple layered which exceedes the cap of 271(?) pipe logistics per region, and around 125(?) for double layer

[bold kernel]

be nice if I can use thes in valley 4 to improve on power consumption

[native laurel]

which is really expensive

Im running a 3x fraggerfunnel that nukes the essence in a matter of a few seconds but even then I cant affort sprinkler systems cuz i need pipe logistics for a lot of the bugs Im using in my facotry

plus the VIP junction im tryna make is also pretty logistics heavy but does address the overflow clog thing

Ive got it partially working so It prioritizes the flow of 1 pipe over the other

"The VIP is a circuit that prioritizes the lowest input.
When connected, it will allow the pipe at the
very bottom to flow freely, while blocking the upper ones
(unless the output allows more Flow)." translated from a chinese PDF im lookin at

many ppl like draconic are struggling with clogs and high fluid fluctuation and minor offsets. probably for future updates, itll only get orse so its good to begin looking at fluid VIP, VOP, and compensators early

[bold kernel]

i am back was making food

[alpine panther]

How long 70k comps are gonna last if I artifice actively?

[native laurel]

its 8k to max with really bad luck per char

so quite a while i think

[timid plover]

is it me or you cant produce SC wuling batteries if your cuprium depot is full?

[hardy plume]

what should i be making in valley 4?

[native laurel]

how the hell are you capping at cuprium, make yazhen syringes with cuprium

[timid plover]

im just future thinking

cause eventually its gonna be full

[native laurel]

18 BCKA, 18 HCBATT, 24 BCKC/CITC, 20 OGCRST

[native laurel]

make jincao drinks then

once you cap

[lapis crane]

not anymore

[hardy plume]

where can i find those bps i'm one lazy endmin

[native laurel]

or dump the spare yazhens into v4 depot

[alpine panther]

Cutting sewage supply will be enough to completely stop SC battery production, right?

[native laurel]

theoretically you canstore 260k of cuprium products total which is really hard to get to

[bold kernel]

I am already max out on copium components'

[alpine panther]

Then I can do just this, few

Won't have to remove 20 conveyors by hand

[bold kernel]

same for copium the one from the refiner

also for bottles and enough yahzan to make jinko drinks soon

[alpine panther]

Don't craft jincao drinks, they are not sell-able

[uneven aspen]

which way uses less facilities/power?

[timid plover]

i suppose, i was just thinking that SC batteries arent 100% reliable since at some point it will be dependent on you selling cuprium products to the outpost or just dumping them

[native laurel]

yea but hes worried about capping out, not about sellable

[bold kernel]

I do need to make the final buck item to sell in valley 4

[alpine panther]

He has no money in outpost?

[bold kernel]

same for the new batteries also maxxed out on it

[native laurel]

hes thinking "what about in the future, i cap out of yazhen drinks and can no longer support SC battery production?" i think

[alpine panther]

What's the battery consumption per minute?

[native laurel]

top

[timid plover]

idk i know a 100% efficient is enough for 4 thermal banks

[native laurel]

optimally? 1.6 per min

if want to be 42% less efficent just run 2 banks at 100% uptime

[alpine panther]

What's the catch?

[native laurel]

no catch just make a PWM lmao

[alpine panther]

Is there guide on it?

[native laurel]

theres like 100

gimme sdc

sec

https://dige.aunly.cn/?lang=en

how the hell ppl survive with 3/min cons on batteries is insane

just have a +5 overhead and youll be just fine

[shell jewel]

so would I have to make both of these?

[jolly shore]

I always make my factories modular and let me tell you it has saved me a lot of hassle. Not like we're short on ports

[native laurel]

use SC battery fuel not LC

and redo

but yes principle is the same

[shell jewel]

[native laurel]

then change overhead or min battery

or increase branches

or if you have hella surplus LC use it as secondary fuel

or HC valley4 batteries

either that or you make a simple binary splitter and change it there

[subtle finch]

don't forget the base, that's the steady stream of power. ive seen many people forget that and wonder why they're at 0 power

[native laurel]

its a bit more logistics heavy

and listen to hikarin too, keep an eye on base

[carmine rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1427062452461240461/1469844432844095488/togif.gif

[alpine panther]

I hate that facilities on sleep still drain energy

Turns out I can fuel whole base for 1 sc battery

[native laurel]

just optimize lol

[shell jewel]

So then should my target power be at 3745?

[native laurel]

no

[native laurel]

it autocalcs

[alpine panther]

I had 4 components facilities built, so I could quickly alternate

[native laurel]

aint no way 💀💀💀

[alpine panther]

artificing and bill economy is tough

genuinely worst thing ever

I'll craft morbillion of components and never return to making them again

[native laurel]

just make 16k at most

cuz its 8k to max a char to full lvl 3 substsats for a full set

any more is waste

cuz i doubt the new comps are needed for current enemies

[alpine panther]

There is no limit to perfection

[subtle finch]

this is the recommended one for 3945, but are you sure you're still using LC bat?

[alpine panther]

And I have 5 potential teams to build

[native laurel]

how much has the BIS gear changed w/ new update?

cuz iim still nuking umbral agony in sub 2min

[shell jewel]

This is what I've got rn (item control ports to split/lock the cuprium/xiranite components feed of Xiranite)

[uneven aspen]

was trying to test sewage excess through conduits and was wondering what's taking so long 💀 conduits can store 500 sewage so needed to wait a bit

[native laurel]

just use a pure SC binary PWM and ull be fine methinks

[opaque mulch]

How many facilities can a single waterpump fuel?

[native laurel]

its a bit rudimentary but you will need to chnage it around once you reach caps anyways

[native laurel]

2

[opaque mulch]

Alr ty

[native laurel]

its hella large but you can move the stuff around if you want to adjust power cons

just add an extra splitter before input to account for SC double EN

[ruby sorrel]

didn't ppl already prove that thing doesn't work in practice since it ignores timing

[native laurel]

no?

[ruby sorrel]

damn my batteries are still suffering terrible blockages offline

[native laurel]

you prolly didnt do it right then

[ruby sorrel]

no, the implementation in your picture doesn't work

at least not for all values

you'll run out of reserve power and die after some time in many cases

[native laurel]

that only applies if you dont have a facotry that uses less power than base 1 gen output lol

[ruby sorrel]

sure, if you're under 4100 total then you can charge your entire 100k within 40s so you'd never notice a power outage

[native laurel]

my cycle period is 38:40 or sum so its done 3 and a bit cycles and my prod is still at 100% so idk whatchu on abt

[smoky eagle]

this good? lol

[native laurel]

a fully efficent factory will never go above 4k tho

[ancient pier]

17/min batt?

[native laurel]

ur making 6 more SC wuling batts than sustain lmao

[smoky eagle]

ye

kekw

[native laurel]

you also have a spare mouding unit by the looks of it

[smoky eagle]

there's a large pit of xiranite

[native laurel]

what typa facotry u got that needs more than 4k??

[smoky eagle]

so i used its reserves just last night lmao

[ruby sorrel]

nah my factory is under 3400

[native laurel]

yea exactly tf

[ruby sorrel]

the method is the problem

[ancient pier]

people that uses more than 4k probably connects their aluvium turret to the power line

[native laurel]

i do too and im consuming 3755 rn

with maxed ziplines too

[native laurel]

what method? cuz I believe I specified this design isnt the best for most but for him it works well due to his current facotry constraints

and wheres the source about how they dont work cuz of timings?

[lone pebble]

desing base on Binary / you need to reshape the "pink" line to youre power usage ! in binary sequence !

[native laurel]

yes?

[alpine panther]

I need to setup two of these, right?

[native laurel]

yes

[slim moat]

is there a case for using bottles to sort sewage

[young stag]

unclogging

[native laurel]

fully optimized factories have no need

[slate plume]

i fixed the sewage problem completely

finally i have a reliable solution without bs

[alpine panther]

How do I increase gap between input and output on diagram? Can't fit it with depot loaders/unloaders

[native laurel]

just use belts?

or more splitters

usually mroe splitters

[alpine panther]

I mean, can I do that on diagram?

[native laurel]

crazy work

[native laurel]

just use more splitters or reverse the direction of the mergers so they point outwards

and then pipe them into PAC or protocol

[ancient pier]

[lapis crane]

we just got new bp there

need more testing if it is theoretically maximize output from switching

but it should be in theory but only tested with 0 xiranite (with extra cuprium made, but anti xiranite clog system should make it no problem)

[slate plume]

you know how i fixed it ?

i use 0 splitters now and all direct connections

0 problems for 2 3 hours already

[lapis crane]

can it switch to making component and when it dont?

that I was trying to do

[slate plume]

yes

[ancient pier]

Looks like we're trying to achive something similar
https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1483798688559268022

[lapis crane]

tbh the reason I use jas’ base as the baseline cuz I like how there is no conduits to manually connect it
and u can do it just from top view

and it look gud

[slate plume]

no splitters just full connections 0 buildup

i think the main issue people have is too much efficient building which results in this sewage buildup bs

[lapis crane]

too much efficient on build but broke when switch yeah

all I tried got same problem

either clog and kill everything entirely

or clog and massively lower everything usage thus lower production

[slate plume]

my setup is clean now

nothing i need to do or theorycraft

[upper fiber]

left it for 7hrs and missing a lot of carbon

[alpine panther]

Hmmm. As far as I understood, first thermal is working most of the time, letting power supply slowly drain, and when it hits the lowest, second thermal activates to 100% the battery

[native laurel]

just look at the graph on dige

[alpine panther]

That's what I see on the graph and just checked in-game

I just hope it won't go off when I sleep

[native laurel]

just let it run for a full period

if it doenst brick u good

what is period duration for u?
\

[lapis crane]

same
mine also with failsafe in case something goes wrong slightly different (example for how ore build up even 120/120)

and it look good

[upper fiber]

this is working for a day but need to manually stock up on the protocol stash

maybe i should just use 3 depot per forge

[alpine panther]

22 minutes. That's how long I wait?

for final check

[native laurel]

yeah

[alpine panther]

Okay, thanks

[native laurel]

if it doenst go down @ 23 min u goodcuz thats when the system fully cycles once

[slim moat]

are the uber optimal designs diverting orignium away from SC batteries when theres a xianrite shortage

[native laurel]

the uber optimals will never have a xira shortage in the first place

those fall under full facotries, not optimized ones

but yea

[subtle finch]

that doesn't look right. isnt the rightmost forge lacking water?

[upper fiber]

nope

[native laurel]

its fine

if its a 2x pump pipe it can power all 4 forges

[subtle finch]

it's 4 series of splitters though

[native laurel]

and?

if manifold cons is lower than input its still fine

[upper fiber]

you just need to fill the left forge with 50 water first

and it will sustain

[native laurel]

if youve played any facotry game since the early 2000s and possess basic math you can usually figure out if consumption = supply then consumption will not be > supply

[uneven aspen]

I should've realized to not make this by the depot bus . . . would be a pain to move now though

[upper fiber]

he is right though for the 1st min when they're still empty, since left forge will hog 2/s, till it full

[native laurel]

yeah but if you let it run for more than mayb 5 minutes itll be fine, due to the fact that manifolds work in that exact way

[amber jolt]

hey y'all what's the best blueprint to make batteries? i can only make the basic ones for now and need lots of power

[slim moat]

is there a tech for identifying if the pac inventory has backed up an item

[native laurel]

yeah, you open the PAC and it says right there on the report

[lapis crane]

rip

[slim moat]

nah, I mean using that to control when factory buildings turn on

[native laurel]

go to #1461542035617091681 look for LC batteries, im assuming wuling?

[native laurel]

no

[amber jolt]

nope i'm still at the valley

[native laurel]

look for valley4 blueprints

[native laurel]

no, which is why full facotires are always less efficent than optimal ones

[vale topaz]

reconnecting conduits are the most annoying thing when you overused them

limitingy myself, conduit usage just for water input

[smoky eagle]

found the sewage pond

[scenic swift]

hopefully they can change it to let you route conduits in top view

[lapis crane]

why conduit
I dont use one

[scenic swift]

kinda makes you wonder were the sewage in that pond originally came from

[lapis crane]

it pain for me too when trying to fix something and water relay just snapped

[subtle finch]

that's where they poo poo

[vale topaz]

yeah, plus sewage conduit from cuprium ref to xircon line seem caused problem when offline for too long.
right now trying direct pipe + fluid tank to see if there's sewage build up when offline.
at least if still ranfom build up, just need to delete fluid tank and re add it later

[uneven aspen]

sewage build up = just use water treatment

there

no harm in maxing the sewage onto the xireffu reactors

then backflow to watertreatment

the sewage input just needs to be more than the crucible usage

[subtle finch]

would be cool to fill the ancestral spring with sewage, then you can unlock a stronger boss

[uneven aspen]

sounds very disrespectful isn't that spring basically their graveyard?

[lapis crane]

that why I put xiranite overflowing loop into cubicle when switching for components

so it can auto stash > goes into main sewage line above
so fluctuating around 120/120 and stabilize it

[trail mirage]

wait can sandleaf overproduce if usage and yield are the same?

[vale topaz]

right now trying with fluid tank, dont want to rely on spaghetti separator.

[lapis crane]

this is basically when making components

still stable with small fluctuations

[vale topaz]

i have design in mind, but need to wait until re commponemt reached 58k, which is.... in a week maybe.

[lapis crane]

ah rip
I dont need that much and idk why I build them

just offline testing it got me over what i ever need

[ancient pier]

can 1 water treatment unit treat 2 cuprium refining?

[lapis crane]

and when i need cuprium comp later my design should be working fine

[lapis crane]

if it overflow
no (usually happened when making comp)

[native laurel]

wait it might not, i just pump it into reac curcible, you should just treat the final one making xircon

[vale topaz]

just under impression need to stock a lot.
since armor upgrading become easier thx to armor with single stat.

[lapis crane]

but when it take more bills to craft it

[vale topaz]

yeah, and buying the upgrade mats ._.

[pulsar cypress]

No.. 1 refining 1 water treatment..

[uneven aspen]

symmetry

[native laurel]

you need 6 treatments total for a full facotry

[outer basin]

I'm trying not to worry about the offline bug but every day I see my Xircon getting lower and lower and it's getting hard. >_>

[lapis crane]

pipe flow is 2/s
2 cuprium refinery is 1/2s x2 = 2/2s
and 2 treatment unit is 1/2s x2 = 2/2s

[native laurel]

4 treats for effluent 2 for xircon

thats it

[atomic fiber]

how many xiran comp you guys have?

[vale topaz]

58k... maxed for current storage limit

[foggy elk]

am I doing something wrong here? it's 115/120 usage without this belt and by my calculations, this belt should only use 5, but for some reason my xiranite total goes down over time instead of equalizing...

[native laurel]

how the hell did you achieve 115 usage?

[foggy elk]

same setup on battery production.

[ancient pier]

probably because some of the xiranite gets stuck waiting on the convergere so it skips the splitter

[native laurel]

it shouldnt tho

[foggy elk]

any fix for that?

[ancient pier]

adding some belt fo space between the splitter/converger as a buffer should fix it

[subtle finch]

check if it skips 5/6 and 1/6. from my experience those short splitters can desync and clog

that's why in dige, there's a middle converger before it goes back

[peak sinew]

WHY

[uneven aspen]

Conduits inlet+outlet have 1,000 liquid capacity 💀

took ages to get the 4 conduit connects sending sewage to be maxed out.

my aic report finally stablized, now I just need to go offline and hopefully it stable overnight

[peak sinew]

its 80

[lusty violet]

80.1

[hoary crag]

rip

[subtle finch]

[peak sinew]

why wiring from above

im trying to min max here
the under base is closer

[subtle finch]

i already had wiring there, so it's closer for me

[peak sinew]

i swap all to pipe because wiring here is bad

[subtle finch]

i wanted to attempt this shortcut but they patched the jumping glitch

[peak sinew]

5 mines 2 pumps

[peak sinew]

maybe someone built a zipline there

[subtle finch]

it needs to be from the qingbo side, so unlikely

add and send me the zip

[ancient pier]

too lazy to perform the glitch

[pulsar cypress]

*mod : hey dev take note of the id and block all his glitch..

[peak sinew]

i dont think their fix will remove your stuffs

i have a lot of these

all bugged spot

[subtle finch]

.gethisass

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086699983769600/1434277626914017310/Get_his_ass.gif?ex=6907bea1&is=69066d21&hm=bd40aabb5a87693f5187ff200edd75fe42ea895c26dcbf88ce2671422e4e2ed6

[peak sinew]

someone built their
i got the link
i replace their zip with mine

[foggy elk]

yeah, copying my setup on the batteries fixed it.

[pulsar cypress]

It wont remove, but what if next time wanna zip it is blocked by invis wall.. XD

[peak sinew]

so you cant link at all not because of they remove it ?

[subtle finch]

it looks like a ghost scarying someone

[pulsar cypress]

It might show like zip blocked..
Maybe..

[ancient pier]

yea they don't remove the zips, but somethimes they put an invisible wall so u can't access them, happened to one of my zips:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1462829346174533875/1481937490293035140/image.png?ex=69bc6196&is=69bb1016&hm=01f11fe61d0673c6f3c7ba9582255c1674cb5c91da0e18f7975893c0092b26b1&

[pulsar cypress]

It will forever abandoned there..
Rip placement capacity..

[eternal wolf]

Anyone with a solution?
I'm trying to run a priority flow system, the idea being that I can toggle off half my Xiranite production for components and the sewage from Cuprium will automatically adapt.

This works in theory but in practice the splitters tick system takes too long and the cuprium doesn't run at 100% efficiency. You can see in the ss there are 1 tick gaps in the cuprium and currently this is running at 112 Cuprium/min.

Is there any way to do this without a control port?

[subtle finch]

add a tank buffer?

[eternal wolf]

:o

[subtle finch]

if that still fills up, then you're not consuming sewage fast enough

[solid python]

I have mine set up to remove an equivalent amount of sewage for every Xiranite I take out of the system.

This also will affect syringes, which may also reduce sewage produced if your other Cuprium Parts making bottles slow down. I don't have that issue yet.

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/mushu-arise-mulan-gif-10545483

6 hrs is done time to open

[sand pivot]

if the reactor crucibles take 2s to produce liquid xiranite, I only need 1 forge per every 2 reactors right?

[native laurel]

no

4:4:4:2

forge:LiqXira:Eff:Xircon

[sand pivot]

4 forges > 4 liquid xira?

[native laurel]

yea

[wispy grove]

every product takes 2 sec to make

[sand pivot]

nvm

I thought the forge produced xira at 1/s

not 0.5/s

I need to start looking at the recipes before asking these dumb questions lmfao

how many forges can we use?

[native laurel]

4

[wispy grove]

oh btw hows the bp i gave u?

[sand pivot]

it works just fine but I ended up changing it already

[lapis crane]

even the sewage

[sand pivot]

I just needed it so I could go to bed 😭

[wispy grove]

its fine we already found the flaw anyways

[silent canyon]

You only need 1 conduit. 1 pipe can handle fluids from up to 4 machines

[uneven aspen]

im just doing this.

all 6 sources of sewage send to the 4 xireffu reactors then treat the excess.

only issue is long setup time, you want the 4 conduits on the rightside to be filled with sewage, which takes 1,000 each.

[wispy grove]

looks like 1.5 xiranite isnt enough.the build up is there but slow enough not to reach 50 for more than 6hrs

[sand pivot]

wait I am dumb I am making more xircon than we need lmao

[lapis crane]

I need to know if my base got any flaw rn

since in the theoretical calculations and with failsafe it should be enough for switching without problem

still idk
cant get rid of 50k ore just to test it with

[sand pivot]

these should be enough to feed 2 SC production lines right?

4 dense orig 1 xircon?

[wispy grove]

oh we found the problem last night

[native laurel]

yes

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1480687389373497487

take a look at my crucible setup

[sand pivot]

I have looked at your bp before

[wispy grove]

when you go offline, xiranites have slower belts which causes the sewage build up

[sand pivot]

it's just since it's not modular it's like

a mess of machines in my head 😭

[wispy grove]

solution:make 2 belts of xiranite ton each crucible. more like clogging it with xiranite

i did 1.5 belts as a test, the build is still there, but slower.

[sand pivot]

so by giving it another xiranite input, you stop the sewage clogging issue?

or are you talking about something different?

[wispy grove]

yeah

[lapis crane]

old bp used to be direct which could clog

now it overflow safe

[wispy grove]

hmm

why are you making interconnected forges to crucibles bro

[solid python]

I do the same thing without any issues

[quasi locust]

offline mode doing some weird things again

8h ago (my filling unit isn't jammed at the input)

[upper fiber]

you need extra input for fluid type building

[wispy grove]

yours didnt clog?

[thorny barn]

is this the sewage clogging up when you go offline?

[upper fiber]

i will tear down the stash if working with extra input

[subtle finch]

those dips are just normal when offline, happens to valley iv too

[sand pivot]

I don't understand how giving the machines an extra input of xiranite speeds up the sewage disposal/ stops clogging ngl

[quasi locust]

the reactor for effluent and liquid xiranite that is getting 100% of sewage got the built up liquid xiranite and xiranite cleared out

[solid python]

What's a clog?

[quasi locust]

oops

[hoary crag]

https://tenor.com/view/traffic-cars-on-my-way-traffic-jam-stau-gif-14993001

[hoary crag]

a very simplistic explanation: this but with the items on your belts/pipes

[thorny barn]

I see, don't think I'm gonna bother with sewage clogging anyway

[sand pivot]

and machines

[upper fiber]

sewage clogging is not an issue, just put fluid tank for that

[hoary crag]

that's what I do lol

I put this on last night

10 hours later the left tank is still empty, the right tank has 128

[solid python]

Looks pretty flat

[sand pivot]

I mean but eventually your fluid tank will fill up and it will lead to clogging unless you empty it no?

[lusty violet]

the earth looks pretty flat from space too

[sand pivot]

so we're basically just delaying the problem for a long time (if what I asked before is true)

[upper fiber]

yeah but that need days without login

[hoary crag]

but at least it gives a much bigger window for you to manually take care of it, which yes, can take days

[shrewd knoll]

just leave it alone, if its going to build up offline anyway, let it build up and when you are online, even if its full, it will operate correctly

no need to overthink it unless you built it in a way which it comes to a complete stop

[solid python]

I don't have a fluid tank for collecting sewage

[sand pivot]

I am honestly over it, if it clogs up it clogs up

the factory must grow clog!

[hoary crag]

ngl they should give us a larger core aic in the next region

[upper fiber]

seriously the devs not know this issue yet?

[hoary crag]

and we should be able to call it the megafactory

[wispy grove]

its a feature

[hoary crag]

and it has no sentry placement limit

[cedar turret]

just pipe the spare sewage into a treatment plant

[quasi locust]

they would need to give us bigger facility limit first

[sand pivot]

is this sarcasm? 😭

[upper fiber]

i know, they make factory players to be online 24hrs/day so it won't get clogged

[sand pivot]

I genuinely have a hard time understanding sarcasm over text unless it's like VERY obvious

since there's no tone of voice to help

[small creek]

arclight taking a swim

[wispy grove]

they didnt fix it in 1.0 because the fluctuations isnt problematic enough to be fixed

[lusty violet]

if they fix it, everything will explode

[wispy grove]

unless, it is a feature

[violet void]

if one fluid pump feeds one conduit to feed 4 hydro rigs, can I use one fluid pump to feed two conduits?

[gaunt summit]

@upper fiber tf you talking about lol, legit just login once a day and ez

[wispy grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222564228012179547/1362196562083840121/uhuh.gif

[upper fiber]

because you're not factory player

[gaunt summit]

@violet void yes, you can

[rough forum]

so each conduit can power 2 hydro rigs, you cant just defy the laws of physics 😭

[gaunt summit]

if your factory needs that lvl of management, you're clearly not a factory player

[violet void]

that's the point, there's a lot mining beds with only 2 mines

[upper fiber]

if no bug issue, yeah it is easy

[gaunt summit]

what bug issue lol

[wispy grove]

sup newcomer

[upper fiber]

but log off and the server messin up your factory

[gaunt summit]

i've logged off a few times now, and my factory is still perfect

lol

[solid python]

Same

Beautiful triangles

[gaunt summit]

haha, i think you be making more cup comp than i do

i splt my lines so bad just to mkae a tiny amount of those and xiranite components still

[upper fiber]

your sc bat is intentionally?

[solid python]

Xiranite has to come from somewhere

[uneven aspen]

it's annoying for me because im on 2-component, and the offline desync decreases my battery yield by 1.

putting me in the red.

So right now im either solve this issue or move to generating less gear components 😔

[gaunt summit]

@uneven aspen how are you running out lol

is your sewage line messed up?

[uneven aspen]

sewage line is fine

it's xiranite or belting

my sewage doesn'

clog

[gaunt summit]

do you make two separate sets of batteries?

[uneven aspen]

yup one at 100% one at 66%

[nova lodge]

that sure took one hella of an effort....but compact build done for Xircon candy rocks =.=.

[gaunt summit]

where is your xiranite coming from

[nova lodge]

🪨

[uneven aspen]

4 forges to depot

[gaunt summit]

that's your problem

lol

if you are running your forges into depot, it means you are straight lining your xiranite, so it isn't controlled for your batteries

[upper fiber]

it kinda trigger me when it isn't consistent

[uneven aspen]

I don't see the issue of xiranite -> depot -> depot unloader->liqid xiranite

[gaunt summit]

you are using xiranite lines for your components also yes?

the game will output them equally at all lines they are used on

[uneven aspen]

My conveyor belts are synced if that's teh issue you're thinking of.

[gaunt summit]

no, it's not

How many xiranite outputs are you using

[solid python]

I load and unload 2 Xiranite from my depot

[gaunt summit]

if its 2 and 2 that's okay

lol

[quasi locust]

i am controlling xircon production through sewage. it is very stable in saving that 10/min xiranite

[gaunt summit]

i'm almost 100% zombie has 4 going in, but 5 going out

[uneven aspen]

What's the issue?

[gaunt summit]

Zombie how many xiranite output lines do you have

lol

[wispy grove]

hes saying you have 5 unloaders for xiranite

[uneven aspen]

and what's wrong with that?

[gaunt summit]

...

[uneven aspen]

if im control how much moves

[gaunt summit]

you have 4 going in

but 5 going out

[quasi locust]

the 2h graph is mostly offline btw

[gaunt summit]

that means you're outputting more than you're inputting

[uneven aspen]

not if it's controlled

[gaunt summit]

which means something will run short

[cedar turret]

what happens if im using my ferrium for HC battery beucase i need more power than 1 sc wuling battery can give

[wispy grove]

he has splitter system

[gaunt summit]

How is it controlled

[solid python]

I've been hovering at 52k Xiranite since I changed over to SC batteries. I should probably drain it a bit in case it caps. Although, realistically, the only thing I can use it on is Xiranite Components.

[gaunt summit]

It doesn't matter if it's on a splitter

If it's pulling any shortage to a battery line

power will run ou

[wispy grove]

explaining wont help, just show i guess

[uneven aspen]

xiranite to gearing components at 10/min and to 1 liquid xiranite

adds up to 30

¯_(ツ)_/¯

no idea why there would be a shortage

[solid python]

If it works, it works

[gaunt summit]

they said it doesn't work though

cause it keeps dropping power lol

[quasi locust]

oops should be this one

[gaunt summit]

or clogs

[solid python]

Then it needs fixing

[quasi locust]

the xiranite itself isn't controlled

[uneven aspen]

What's dropping power?

[gaunt summit]

well if it aint dropping power

what's clogging lol

[uneven aspen]

I didnt say anythign about clogging

im saying the yield still drops by 1 when going offline

[gaunt summit]

o-o;

Wait lol

Is it legit just the thing

where the sheet moevs up and down?

[warped delta]

If you're shorting xiranite to SC batteries it can mess up output due to the loopback

[gaunt summit]

Cause mine did that for a while

and it said 11, but it always showed max production anyway

lol

[uneven aspen]

it shows 10/min yield when online

but offline it wil show 9/min yield

and my SC wuling battery is not increasing in amount

so I know it's in the red

[solid python]

Mine shows 11/min all the time, but it's actually 11.5/min

[hearty plank]

Trying to make cuprium parts, How do I get rid of sewage water?

[warped delta]

The yield/min rounds up from what I've seen, so you are probably producing like 9.5 or something and not fully 10 so when offline it simulates the actual output instead of the UI number for you

[gaunt summit]

@hearty plank water treatment in production 1

[sand pivot]

water treatment

either water treatment or you use the sewage for xircon production

through crucible reactors

[quasi locust]

ah same, my 11/min SC online showed 10/min offline. i am trying to see if it resolves itself once i balanced all the built up in the system

[solid python]

It fluctuates back and forth for my 0.5 Cuprium Components (0 and 1).

[gaunt summit]

lol just do the calculation, log off for an hour and do a before and after count

[uneven aspen]

before i swapped to mixing gearing components battery amoutn after selling otu the outpost was 1.6k batteries

now it's 600

[warped delta]

Wastewater is 1:1 with treatment plants. Then when you bring Xircon online, feed 1 refinery of it into each line of Xircon

[quasi locust]

i am controlling the sewage tho, so xiranite isn't the issue

[uneven aspen]

my sewage is 100% controlled no issues

yield still dipping which is the issue 😔