aic-factory

[coral orchid]

this is a bug

[atomic fiber]

it's actually belt speed issue. the bug actually stem from the belt.

it's like this. because belt speed isn't actually 0.5/sec on offline. this mean:

1. you sawage output from cuprium refiner isn't exactly 0.5/sec, because your belt didn't give 0.5/sec of cuprium ore
2. your Xiranite going to the crucible also actually isn't at 0.5/sec speed when going in the crucible

[atomic fiber]

it's belt speed bug

the only solution is to overfeed

[subtle finch]

lvl12, make sure to check on the map that all mineral beds are powered, and the depot/recycling/output/stock redistributor are maxed out

[dark furnace]

1000 unit clog buffer

[coral orchid]

ahh wait a minute, my Yazhen Syringe is getting the bug too?

[atomic fiber]

everything that use belt have this bug. Basically your whole factory

[fluid fog]

everyone is getting it, its a matter of setup production how you will handle it.

[wispy grove]

even if you clog both crucibles with xiranite and sewage, the fluctuations will stay because this isnt just the about sewage excess, but the crucible production delay also have an effect to it

[coral orchid]

crazy

[fluid fog]

That's a issue of Live Service factorio. so... you do you.

[coral orchid]

The huge bug

[dark furnace]

the crucible production bug is the culprit of sewage clog in the first place

when you offline crucible is producing their formula like 99% of when you are online

[wispy grove]

what happens is, sewage have 1.01 every 2 sec while crucibles make effluent 0.998 every 2 secs, that slight delay makes every thing goes brr

[fluid fog]

unless you guys to run your PC 24/7 then this bugged wont happened AHAHAHAHAHAHA

[subtle finch]

you can still clog without byproduct, judging by the red circle icon sign. it's just more catastrophic in 1.1 because other production chains to another production

[atomic fiber]

i have tested offline, crucible is working fine.

like i have added 20 xiranite before going offline, then in the morning all xiranite gone.

This can only mean the input from belt is slower than crucible speed making

[wispy grove]

not that

go to effluent

[atomic fiber]

oh... the effluent... i haven't test that one

[coral orchid]

I run the PC 24/7
But the game always kicked me when inactive

[atomic fiber]

but all i can say is you are also not producing xiranite liquid at full eff

[fluid fog]

ohh yeah, the inactive thing. Forgot that one.

[unreal crater]

Anyone have compact xircon and syringe A blueprint in Asia?

[plain stratus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897390969744424983/1483711913564180490/Screenshot_20260318-141957.png?ex=69bb95e6&is=69ba4466&hm=1752bf8cd74a25ce72cd4adc0a6a09e607069d37cb2b30e1f86c673e7436afde&

Doesnt it look like a tree

My masterpiece of 2x SC wuling battery

[atomic fiber]

tbh this might be because of lack of Xiranite Liquid than the crucible being slow

[fluid fog]

Probably a Macro will do every (time) will move just to get not inactive XD

[coral orchid]

Why I Run that 24/7?
Because this whole bug messed me up and make me curious to make sure everything is not wrong

[plain stratus]

Why would you run it 24/7

You're not mining crypto

[atomic fiber]

funny is yes. you can just online 24/7 to avoid the bug

[coral orchid]

and when offline, suddenly 11/mins
Boom that happened

[plain stratus]

Only cancer rock

[final escarp]

Is it true?? That belts run slower when offline??

[atomic fiber]

yes. wait let me give you the post

[winged oriole]

What a monstrosity I've built

[plain stratus]

What thats sounds so stupid tho

[fluid fog]

nah, not that a problem for now.

[coral orchid]

and became a robot to stay in front of device

crazy

[plain stratus]

The bug i mean

[subtle finch]

yes, but it's insignificant

[coral orchid]

[dark furnace]

So I did some messing around with that sewage problem we’ve been having. I wanted to see if merging pipes slows down how fast liquid moves from point A to point B, specifically the xiranite effluent going to the crucibles to make xircon. What I did was merge all 4 outputs of effluent into one pipe, then split it into two going to the xircon crucibles.
Turns out the sewage blockage happened faster when compared to 2 sets of pipes. What interesting is that the effluent in the crucible wasn't capped yet, 2 of them sitting at 0, the other 2 sitting at around 20~30, while the sewage was maxed out at 50.

[coral orchid]

But with the bug
Somehow I could get more HC Valley battery than SC Wuling battery which is more surprisingly happened

[atomic fiber]

https://www.rxddit.com/r/Endfield/s/4zdNojKOtB

[wispy grove]

i made the same assumption too atfirst, but the looping sewage have a different say about that. when you go offline on looping, the xiranite liquid builds up on the 2nd crucible.

[trail mirage]

its not that bad

[coral orchid]

HC Valley gave 5k/day when offline and 4.5k/day when online

(That's surplus, not whole production line)

[dark furnace]

if this also applies to pipe then it's worth trying to replace all pipes into splitter/converger

also try to replace the belt that feeds xiranite into crucible

[atomic fiber]

let say you input 0.5/min sewage. with looping you actually only give your SC battery line 0.95/min this is because looping actually use a server heavy floating math calculation (the recursive function)

[wispy grove]

crucibles are just bad at producing outputs. lets say the 1st effluent crucible make exactly 1 every 2 secs. if the xircon has a slower production(since it needs 3materials) which makes 0.998 ever 2 secs. the sewage will get delayed on the 2nd effluent crucible, which delays effluent production, xiranite liquid builds up, delays xircon. every thingclogs, factory exploded

[dark furnace]

if xiranite was fed slower than expected, so as the production of xiranite liquid and eff

[wispy grove]

thats my issue on looping method. so i didnt use it anymore

[atomic fiber]

yes. but pipes is fast, so usually it doesn't matter for pipes. Just don't use 2/min full speed on pipes.

it does effect your Xiranite liquid speed, because xiranite is from belt

[dark furnace]

let me set up one set with the pipe and belt replaced for xiranite liquid and eff

[finite anvil]

ill try out your solution. is this correct?

[atomic fiber]

yeah

[wispy grove]

rotate it

[atomic fiber]

you can add pipes yeah

[finite anvil]

what why

[wispy grove]

oh yeah thats good enough

[coral orchid]

???

[atomic fiber]

tbh i very much disagree with crucible being slow. it's mostly just people putting less sawage

[unreal crater]

Anyone have compact xircon and syringe A blueprint in Asia?

[hollow crest]

Oh so it's belt speed issue can I just cover all belts with mergers?

[hollow crest]

Try #1461542035617091681

[finite anvil]

alright, this is my setup, will check again in an hour or smth

[final escarp]

Why is this so gacha game factory so complicated 🙁

[coral orchid]

Is it dangerous to use this part?

[atomic fiber]

bugs

[final escarp]

Can you explain a bit more about the looping issue?

[subtle finch]

i have one, but it doesn't fit on a single blueprint

[rocky niche]

i've read before here saying that offline battery usage gets bugged if you are oscillating battery use. that's why they use merger/splitter instead of belt lines because of it. i'm not sure if pipelines are having similar issues

[coral orchid]

if we compared that with this, will it be dangerous more?

[atomic fiber]

tbh i haven't really tested much about pipes offline speed. but i think pipes don't have same speed bug as belt. so it's should be safe...

but i think i need to test it first

[hollow crest]

yea Im using DIGE they have all used mergers and splitter, no belts

[finite anvil]

also let my xircon build up a tiny bit for confirmation

[fluid fog]

you can also use offline protocol stash but merger and splitter is already enough

[atomic fiber]

i will try setup some pipes offline test

[hollow crest]

Wait so xiranite water under producing is what cause all this due to slow belt speed right? We just cover the xiranite belt with mergers/splitter? Problem solved?

[coral orchid]

Welll this true
That's why I use like +20 more Wattage as safety measurement

[subtle finch]

there are players who claim looping sewage could cause clogging. there are players who loop theirs without issue (me included). there's no solid evidence about the matter, only personal anecdote

[fluid fog]

Welcome to Factory, where Factory Must Grow

[dark furnace]

factory must clog now

[uneven aspen]

if i make the sewage conduit outlet be at 2 units/s will this break during offline?

[storm garnet]

so, which factory do i work on today? endfield or satisfactory 1.2?

like, did you see that daisy chaining?

[uneven aspen]

💀 i havent tried this way of making water and sewage go through reactor crucible to other crucible

guess i will tweak back to an older design i know that doesnt fail offline

[storm garnet]

it kinda makes you want to reset the whole world and start over lol

[shut rover]

May be pipe configuration issues

[dark furnace]

yea pipe and conduit don't like running on 2/s

[storm garnet]

btw, i'm guessing the best thing to do in endfield is the same as satisfactory: don't run pipes at full capacity

[wispy grove]

Its not the looping issue, its just a part of it.

When you go offline, your refinery makes more sewage for the crucible to consume, or maybe lack of xiranite liquid i dunno. But what i mean is sewage builds up over time even tho the ratio is perfect when online. When sewage builds up, it gets clogged you make less cuprium until its stops producing because your sewage is clogged. Less cuprium less yazhen A, less cuprium comp if ur making some, until its stops working completely. Thats part 1

Lets say your crucibles(effluent) makes enough xiranite effluent for your xircon production, but it produces slower xircon when offline, it clogs both ferrium, condensed originium dust to make batteries. Since you make slower xircon, you also make slower sewage output. If you loop that to your 2nd effluent crucible, you make less xircon effluent. Its a downward spiral. Thats part 2

Now that you get less sewage from xircon crucible, your 2nd effluent crucible have more xiranite liquid reserves, if it clogs, it clogs the xiranite crucible. And if you're using another crucible as a passage for your xiranite belt to the other xiranite crucible, that too also clogs. Which means everything clogs. Thats part 3

[dark furnace]

unless you are pumping clean water, then 2/s is fine

[storm garnet]

(satisfactory should be kinda ok now though i think)

[fluid fog]

oh the 1.2 update?

[storm garnet]

the good old aesthetics vs function debate

[storm garnet]

no, it should have been fine since around 1.1 or a bit earlier actually

[shut rover]

Pipes are a whole different issues now

Man

[fluid fog]

ah thought you talking about the experimental update.

[dark furnace]

ngl why bother min maxing efficiency now when they are giving more than we need already even with the bugs, and gain nother going beyond

[storm garnet]

satisfactory bugs were pretty much cleaned out during 1.0 fixes

[storm garnet]

i was before too

[coral orchid]

Also I notice something weird happened with the Converger bug since Valley IV
Especially in this case
When I tried Aketine 1/5 speed line but configure like this

Maybe this is a bug too

[tall thunder]

[pulsar cypress]

[coral orchid]

Ofc that the whole aketine just going on straight line not going to loop

[subtle finch]

imagine if when you go offline, the calculations is actually being done by other online players. and if they have lower spec hardware, that's why its slowing down

[fluid fog]

Its funny but that's now how Server bond works XD

[coral orchid]

@atomic fiber Could you test this one too?
Because I got a weird bug in this case

[finite anvil]

tbf at the end of the day it's -1/min sc batteries, not too big a deal

[coral orchid]

Converger is not working as well sadly

[fluid fog]

BIG DEAL for people who likes perfect zero waste.

[tall thunder]

Converger can still clog your sewers

[coral orchid]

nah, it's a big deal ofc

[subtle finch]

i take other players anecdotes with a grain of salt. most can't even setup splitters/convergers properly.

[dawn flax]

a big deal for perfectionist indeed

[storm garnet]

oh, they added dynamic controller swap between controller and keyboard for satisfactory. endfield, take notes

[uneven aspen]

-1/min can make or break buying out the outpost 1 battery/min is like 8% of outpost stockbill

[dark furnace]

tbh the bug existed since 1.0, our ores/semi-products always get capped gradually even we have a 100% produce/consume ratio on the graph, but we have depot to act as a buffer so it's less noticeable. But as there's no buffer for sewage, it gets clogged real quick that significantly impact the productions.

[wispy grove]

Its no big deal for now. I just hope they make it not too complex later on or else its not just -1 we gonna lose. Remember if your sewage clogs all your yazhen A, and cuprium comps stops working. Everything is interconnected even if u made separate factories

[atomic fiber]

what is wrong with that?

[plain stratus]

water treatment unit outside ehhh

[dark furnace]

I seperated cuprium, parts and bottles to use depot as buffer and delay the clog

[coral orchid]

with that, it should be producing 1/5 right and loop another one with another way
But the output prioritize the belt instead converger

[dark furnace]

everyday I am gaining surplus cuprium and parts

[plain stratus]

why would sewage clog??

don't you put it on water treatment immediately

[storm garnet]

this is a bug since 1.0, convergers right next to outputs have lower priority, machines prefer belts first

[dark furnace]

crucible is not using up the sewage produced by cuprium 1:1

the consumption is slightly slower than production

[plain stratus]

so my SC Wuling batteries will clog?

[storm garnet]

cuprium makes 4 of sewage, xircon uses 4, but makes 2 sewage

so 2 of those 6 needs to be treated

[dark furnace]

it clogs your cuprium production mainly because the sewage has no where to go, then yazhen syringe production

[atomic fiber]

you are supposed to have water treatment in case it got clogged

[atomic fiber]

oh... i have vid for that. it's old bug i think. this trigger when splitter/converger is right next to building

[shell jewel]

Yazhen A and Xircon shouldn't get clogged

[dark furnace]

the battery deficiency is caused by the crucible not producing things exactly per 2s when offline, which has nothing to do with sewage clog, more like the reason why sewage is clogging in the first place

[subtle finch]

just add a fluid tank or multiple tanks in between and check it once in a while. it's a gradual process anyway
fearmongering about clogging is not productive

[atomic fiber]

tbh how do even have sewage clog

[atomic fiber]

if it lacking sewage, i know how.

[plain stratus]

hmm it is full eh

[tall thunder]

Is your water treatment also full?

[dark furnace]

the sweage in crucible capped at 50 -> cuprium production continues to pump sweage into the crucible -> sweage clog

[subtle finch]

probably people multitasking batteries and components. and xiranite line slowing down

[atomic fiber]

you get clog from that?

[dark furnace]

water treatment seems to be able to treat stuffs faster than 1 unit/2s, it seems to be around 1.05~1.1 /2s, so it hardly clog

[silver hearth]

[atomic fiber]

yeah you can mix them

[tribal garnet]

is this optimized enuff ?

[dawn flax]

can get more, but you do you

[silver hearth]

So it would take only 1 conduit outlet to run a xircon setup from what ive read here

Since it can carry 2/s for 1/s water and 1/s sewage

[tribal garnet]

wachu mean

share some knowledge i wanna min max my factory

[silver hearth]

[plain stratus]

can someone help tell whatever I may have done inefficiently here

the 1 extra sandleaf on top and bottom is for the 2 other xiranite forge

[dawn flax]

can get Sc battery up to 12/min

[dark furnace]

i tried it, but it gets messed up sometimes when you go offline/online

the output can swap

[tribal garnet]

it is 12/min huhu i just started setting it up thats why it had a curve

[silver hearth]

The pipe conteol gate should fix that right

[dark furnace]

oh yea i missed the control gate

[dawn flax]

ah mb, i see u use jinsao instead of yazhen

[plain stratus]

this should be 2× SC Wuling bat

[tribal garnet]

it produces 1.5 jincao per min

i dont really use these heals tho

i use jincao infusion

aint that like better heal

[atomic fiber]

btw when that happened does your liquid xiranite stack up too?

[tribal garnet]

this is best heal right? or is it the yazhen A

[atomic fiber]

gold looks better

[silver hearth]

Yazhen A heals more overall

[plain stratus]

I just farm fluffed jincao

[subtle finch]

just check your aic report

[tribal garnet]

this one heals better?

[plain stratus]

I mean build wise

[silver hearth]

But Jincao can support Controlled ops so 8 have Yazhen for my supports and Jincao infusion for my controlled op

[tribal garnet]

im min maxing my farm too so which is better yazehn/jincao gold heals?

[viscid plover]

I login to this wtf

[storm garnet]

at the same tier, heal over time items heal 50% more on average

[silver hearth]

Yazhen heals more total

[dark furnace]

this item has the best heal, but heads up as teammates can only use once on the active operator, while the others tend to be unlimited

[storm garnet]

instant heal items are like 4 seconds in equivalence, but they heal for 6 seconds if over time

[viscid plover]

but report look fine

[silver hearth]

But Jincao can just keep supporting your controlled op

Just farm both and use Jincao for controlled, Yazhen for supports

[storm garnet]

i use instant heal on controlled op and over time heals on allies

[tribal garnet]

the gold tier?

[plain stratus]

have you used D.I.G.E. min/max calculator for your power

[storm garnet]

also, 1 ally with revive

[tribal garnet]

wachu mean once?

wait

how does healing work exactly on this game?

[dark furnace]

purple text

[storm garnet]

but revive is just overkill tbh

[tribal garnet]

wachu mean

[plain stratus]

do you guys have same builds

[storm garnet]

in 1.1, some items can only be used once per battle if on controlled operator

[tribal garnet]

i thought if u use up like 4 heal slots you cant use em anymore?

[viscid plover]

yea

[dawn flax]

i see most ppl with 120/min copium-ore yield, but why mine is 124/min

[plain stratus]

you may have added some things then should've done the power thing for last

[tribal garnet]

so basically yazehn spray L is better than jincao infusion?

alr ima make yazhen farm now

[dawn flax]

or because at wuling lvl 8, one additional low-purity copium ore desposit become available

[storm garnet]

if you don't care about waiting for the full heal, yes

[dark furnace]

when your teammates equip it, some items can be used on the active operator when the condition is met. For the tea you posted, teammates can only apply it once on the operator in the same battle. Meaning the second time you met the same condition, your teammate won't apply it anymore and leave 2 of the items stuck on them. But as inactive teammates hardly get damage unless by special enemy attacks, they are going to be wasted.

While some items have unlimited use for teammates to apply on the active operator

[silver hearth]

Why my region reminders genuinely dont tell me about unrigged mines anymore

[storm garnet]

the thing about instant heal is that you get the full heal faster and won't die if you get hit again soon

[tribal garnet]

so... i should just switch to the yazhen spray L?

[plain stratus]

it does t

[viscid plover]

everything is fine after i login
report is fine factory all fine just when i login it was in 1% for some reason and been going up since

[atomic fiber]

factory speed tier list

1. everything online + building offline
2. crucible offline
3. splitter offline
4. belt offline
5. item control offline

[dawn flax]

the copium-deposit at center of Qingbo, on rivershore, 1 more low-purity become available (lvl 8+)

[dark furnace]

if it's enough for you to survive, then yes

or just use yazhen syringe

[viscid plover]

offline calculator be like

[plain stratus]

you must have set it to hit 0% before power regen then alls good

[tribal garnet]

yazhen spray L is better tho

[subtle finch]

it's a mess in some places, but nothing inefficient going on. though your power says otherwise. unless you have excess planters-seeders or many ziplines

[dark furnace]

regular content isn't really hard enough that require you to use min maxed healing item, and hard end-game content doesn't allow you to use heal item anyway

[plain stratus]

I min maxed the power

is this allowed

[storm garnet]

i mean, it's legal

[silver hearth]

Why would it not be its just a calculator

[tribal garnet]

wait i have a quesstion tho if i use jincao on the character im using can i use it 3x? then use yazhen spray L on the supports?

does that work?

[plain stratus]

I mean the sites whatever

[dark furnace]

yes

[plain stratus]

I just need more tower defense like that king ads

[storm garnet]

jincao gold should be one use i think if on controlled

[tribal garnet]

is that sure?

[dark furnace]

imo the most useful teammate item is the revive bottle as we can't use revive during battle

[tribal garnet]

use per battle is 3

[silver hearth]

Add a gravity turret that creates gibby's gravity well

[storm garnet]

the description says everything

[tribal garnet]

who even dies tho :v

i get low hp but dont die

[tribal garnet]

thats for support

[dark furnace]

if it happens it happens

[subtle finch]

0.8% min battery on the 2nd pic . ideally pick the closest power to your target with the shortest period, without the battery going too low

[tribal garnet]

it says here 3x in battle

but supports can only do once

[dark furnace]

and it saves you from having to restart

[silver hearth]

Sometimes your ops are just too squishy yk

[storm garnet]

support the controlled operator means it can be used by the controlled operator

[plain stratus]

was planning on adding more storage for those empty lands

[storm garnet]

i think

[silver hearth]

Esp if you decide to be reckless and skip dealing with powerful attacks for speedrunning and such

[storm garnet]

if not, i've been wrong for a while

[dark furnace]

2 for the purple version

[storm garnet]

do i live in a lie

[dark furnace]

oh wait

you aren't talking about the revive

[plain stratus]

300 storage per 3×3 space decent

[tribal garnet]

@dark furnace so if i equip jincao infusion i can use it 3x right? then if i put it on my supports they can do it once only but if i use yazhen spray L for them they can inf heal me as long as i have it?

[storm garnet]

no, i meant the controlled operator using it on itself

[dark furnace]

3x for operator if he/she is active

[storm garnet]

i guess i was wrong

[tribal garnet]

1x for supports

[dark furnace]

yep

[tribal garnet]

so its better if u use jincao infusion and they use yazhen spray L

[dark furnace]

1x for the active operator from support*

[tribal garnet]

hey thats good healing then Xd

[plain stratus]

so how do you guys use the metastorage now

[storm garnet]

man, this is confusing lol

[dark furnace]

you could say that

[storm garnet]

i know for sure my allies have healed me with yanzhen

[tribal garnet]

its basically a passive item

not like genshin where you heal manually

cuz ive been just doing this for my farm

[dark furnace]

yea syringe has unlimited use on the active operator if the condition is met

[tribal garnet]

looks like i need to make it so its 5 jincao/15 yazhen

[subtle finch]

ferrium for 3/min med C

[dark furnace]

they even regenerate when depleted

[storm garnet]

ok, so let it be official that "support controlled operator" is an ally thing basically

[dark furnace]

that's why springe is so good for longer fights

[plain stratus]

thats still possible e

[plain stratus]

just don't get hit and m3×4 your main dps

[rocky niche]

i'm curious as to how long these regen during fight. happened back when i'm fighting ||ruan yi|| and the same regen with my allies

[atomic fiber]

what eff do you guys run your SC battery at?

[plain stratus]

You can extend the pipes with pipe splitters

[plain stratus]

Eff?

[tribal garnet]

it says it heals a flat number of hp with big 6% or something per sec

[elder cloak]

I always feel like I’m waisting power with my batteries, and I’ve been experimenting with ways to not waste power has anyone figured this out?

[atomic fiber]

6/min is 1 efficiency

[dark furnace]

yea they don't tell us exact numbers for a lot of stuffs. Back in 1.0 the unlimited/once only thing for active operator wasn't even mentioned in the details. They just say, "Can suppot the controlled operator" or not

[rocky niche]

people use DIGE to oscillate the last battery

[plain stratus]

Isnt it just 12/m
My consumption is either 1/m or 3/m

[atomic fiber]

are most of you people here run 2 sc battery lines?

[subtle finch]

yes

[elder cloak]

what is DIGE
I’ve just been having a backup battery with a protocol stash is that it

[storm garnet]

yea, most people do 2 sc lines

[tribal garnet]

now im minmaxing heals too

[small creek]

i run 10.5/min

[plain stratus]

We're not supposed to ehhh

[atomic fiber]

i see...

[rocky niche]

i havent even setup my sc lines yet

[plain stratus]

Idk

[dark furnace]

after making enough components for a few versions

[storm garnet]

i'm running 1.5 lines atm so i can go full 3/min comp

[plain stratus]

You're right

[storm garnet]

i was tired of waiting for the 1/min, too slow

[rocky niche]

https://dige.aunly.cn/?lang=en&p=BFdgTJFw

[storm garnet]

it also let's me stop some machines for better ratios

[tribal garnet]

whats sc line

[storm garnet]

sc battery machine line

[dark furnace]

I just focused on making 6/m component a few days, then switched back to 12/m SC

[tribal garnet]

oh that one

[storm garnet]

as in, a factory line

[tribal garnet]

i dont min max my battery :v

[dark furnace]

didn't bother with the sewage control for 1.5 SC

[final escarp]

Does anyone know if this is true? I just tested and it seems like you get the cap 30/m excess Xirang as pass through and only use 25/m instead

[dark furnace]

6/m components for 3 days should land you around 25k, which is enough for a long while

[tribal garnet]

i use purple battery :>

[storm garnet]

hell yea, it's going up again slowly

[final escarp]

The game seems to attempt to pass through all the xiranite and only use the excess

[storm garnet]

i couln't handle it being empty for so long

[thorn pike]

that's what she said

[rocky niche]

why

[atomic fiber]

is it true that mining ore actually also not at full speed offline? 💀

[thorn pike]

why not

[elder cloak]

i’m so lost

[thorn pike]

you still get surplus, chill

[hollow crest]

bro is ziplining back to terra

[storm garnet]

endgame is having depot full of everything

[rocky niche]

get max wood

[dark furnace]

would be one hell of smelly pool to swim in

[storm garnet]

it's just carbon and water, it's fine

[rocky niche]

there are guides in youtube that explains how that site works

[elder cloak]

thx so much

[subtle finch]

that's how it works

[undone ether]

If you're inputting 55/m instead of the 30/m needed in 1 reactor and still not getting the 30/m output then you're choking something else.

[thorn pike]

they are making more than the stock post could handle

tf

like 2 times more

[ornate sorrel]

theres a factory limit???

[hollow crest]

ok I've replaced all my xircon production belts with mergers, will see how it goes after a couple hrs offline

[ornate sorrel]

THERES A HARD CAP TO HOW MUCH PRODUCTION I CAN PLACE??

what

[thorn pike]

yes

this aint herofactory dumb

[ornate sorrel]

is it like, based on how many i can place in an AIC map? or shared accross the whole region

[storm garnet]

ye, don't place too many splitters/etc, they each count as 1 factility, belts too

[subtle finch]

thank you for your service

[thorn pike]

in an area

not region

there's max load in each area of a region

[storm garnet]

pipes are capped too, but separately

[thorn pike]

the limit is there so people won't break the game

[ornate sorrel]

yeah but

[dawn flax]

or there will be millions of stock

[ornate sorrel]

it would've been convinient

[storm garnet]

conduits are counted as normal facilities, not pipes though, so you need to balance it

[ornate sorrel]

if I CAN SEE HOW MANY IT IS

[storm garnet]

pipes are better if outside the aic so you don't get extra protocol usage

[dark furnace]

I wouldn't go through all the trouble just to get more battery on top of what I already can't spend

[final escarp]

Sorry if I misunderstood its just ur earlier comment made me believe the crucible works like
55/min Xirang + 30/min water = 30/min liquid Xirang + 25/min Xirang
When it actually works like this:
55/min Xirang + 30/min water = 25/min liquid Xirang + 30/min Xirang
The game attempts to pass through all the Xirang and only use the excess Xirang

[thorn pike]

breaking the map

[real crescent]

What does that mean? Switching without the "do you want to switch" from endfield?

[thorn pike]

this isnt minecraft

the dev want to ensure the game stays intact

[real crescent]

Oh wtf my chat wasnt fully loaded

[dark furnace]

assuming there's no bug while you are offline

[smoky eagle]

is anyone else using splitters on cuprium back to depot to not drain into 0

[thorn pike]

they wont let you bug into the underground or to a hidden area, or go to the sky via facilities bug

too much data of something can break the code. It happened in tons of games

[final escarp]

Will actually kms if this is the case

[real crescent]

They are certainly not doing a very good job at that

[finite anvil]

how the hell did you cap out on this, isn't there like only a small amount of excess everyday

[thorn pike]

the game came out for 1 month

[tall thunder]

Upgrading gear is so expensive

[thorn pike]

i dont know. Im as maxed as I could be

and they are piling up like crazy

[dark furnace]

well it's pretty sure already that crucible isn't producing at /2s while you are offline

[ornate sorrel]

but yeah wtf did i do wrong?

[thorn pike]

i make 12 battery/min

and 6 syringes

[ornate sorrel]

I just wanted to know if there's anything noticeably overbudget in this AIC

[thorn pike]

somehow ts piles up

[trail mirage]

Space

[finite anvil]

yeah that's the standard lmao, prolly because i didnt play for the first few days of 1.1

[ornate sorrel]

like i have room to place component but the game complained i did too much?

[undone ether]

You have too many placed structures

Theres a hard cap on placed units

[trail mirage]

You can have more room

[dark furnace]

that extra bus on the left side

[trail mirage]

Look how much room I have

[thorn pike]

Time to make pools

[dark furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/real-estate-its-free-real-estate-gif-11276235

[storm garnet]

perfect room for 1/5 of 1.2 factory

[thorn pike]

oh yes

[ornate sorrel]

what else i can remove then aside from the shitpost water tanks

[thorn pike]

im gonna fill the 40k cave

with this

[storm garnet]

i use the 40k as a liquid xiranite tank

[trail mirage]

Fill it with sewage

[storm garnet]

can't fill things with sewage

[undone ether]

sadly cant

[thorn pike]

that's what ur mum said last night iirc

[dark furnace]

what you want to achieve

more space?

less energy consumption?

[ornate sorrel]

somehow being able to place my component machines here

[trail mirage]

You can always make your own blueprint

In-game one take a lot of space

[dawn flax]

does your wuling stockade-outpost partially occupied or still empty?

[dark furnace]

conduits and tanks can be placed outside AIC area

if your capacity allows it

[trail mirage]

You can even put your reactor outside

[ornate sorrel]

nop lol, placed plenty of ziplines

[dawn flax]

can place Crucible outside (the one that dont need belt to process)

[trail mirage]

You don't need more than like 9 zips

[ornate sorrel]

some of them are like

maximizing possible routes

others are me doing the jump exploit to weird places

[rigid oar]

should i replace all mining rigs for water rigs? yes or no

like ALL of them in wuling

[ornate sorrel]

if i remove that zipline i'll lose access to those areas 😔

[dark furnace]

-# glitched cool mountain view ziplines

[dawn flax]

ain't water-rig only usable on copium ore?

[atomic fiber]

on all ore

[dawn flax]

i see

[tall thunder]

[rigid oar]

so do i do it?

[dark furnace]

imagine them adding invisible walls around all glitched ziplines, so we can't reach there to delete the zipline and they are forever stuck

[atomic fiber]

tbh i think it's only worth it for the Ferrium one

[dawn flax]

may reduce electrical consumption by 10%?

[dark furnace]

interactive bridge

[subtle finch]

more like 1%

[dawn flax]

ehh i guess i may try it in spare time

probably on Ferriium despoit

[storm garnet]

it's about 200 i think

40 just on ferrium

you need to make some long pipes to optimize it though, takes a bit

[tribal garnet]

do yall do dailies like go to the important mats? daily or just do it weekly? like i just let me stock up then once theyre full i just gather them

[storm garnet]

nah, that's not worth it, they will all be high purity in the future

[plain stratus]

I think I'm an artist look at this SC Wuling Tree that has a fruity Yazhen Syringe(A) root beer

[storm garnet]

that's too much min max

[tribal garnet]

...can you put like a right straight line going to the right?

lmao

[tall thunder]

No. Power limit. Had to remove another Zipline

[storm garnet]

and i say that as someone that had to do almost everything twice cause i forgot 2 nodes

[subtle finch]

what happened to the polygons

[tribal garnet]

this seems familiar

[plain stratus]

the branches are 4 containers long

[tribal garnet]

whats the yield on this bad boy?

[plain stratus]

playing on tablet with medium locked graphics I have it high on character models

[plain stratus]

all of it v1.1

[dark furnace]

you save 60- 90 energy total 🥀

(super) means carrying pipe/conduit to make use of each pump to 3 rigs across ore clusters

[tribal garnet]

what?

[plain stratus]

all of it wuling v1.1

[tribal garnet]

ss me a produce thingy

[dawn flax]

i see, i guess quite trivial for me, thx anyway

[tribal garnet]

what do you produce per min

[plain stratus]

12/m SC
6/m syringe A

[dark furnace]

it is

[storm garnet]

now that i think about it, i didn't count on the 2 cuprium node place as having 1 extra i should pipe somewhere else

[plain stratus]

I kinda want some symmetry that's why

[dark furnace]

especially if you just use 2 wuling battery

[dawn flax]

unless that cut your power-red-lining at 3.4k or below

[bright nimbus]

Did you count that one pump can support 6 low purity ores?

[tribal garnet]

i see

[storm garnet]

but tbh, everything else fits exactly

[tribal garnet]

bloop

now its stable

after a few tweaks

[dark furnace]

how many low purity ores are there

[bright nimbus]

If I remember correctly it lowered .16k power consumption for me

[storm garnet]

about 1/3 are low purity i think

[plain stratus]

I'm not planning to get cuprium gears I'm already fully built and trimmed bosses

[storm garnet]

maybe a bit more

[tribal garnet]

heck all mines are better with water mining

[dawn flax]

are they?

[bright nimbus]

Can’t open the game atm so I can’t check

[tribal garnet]

the watts of water mining are lower than mk2

[dark furnace]

maybe we can use 480 ori per minute to reverse calculate

[tribal garnet]

yeah and they mine the same amount

[dawn flax]

ok

[storm garnet]

worst case scenario is having neutral energy use with water mining

[tribal garnet]

im switching all my mines in wuling to water mining

[storm garnet]

cause all node places have at least 2 nodes

[plain stratus]

oh yeah didn't bother with the measly 3/m thingy

[dawn flax]

but do they lessen machinery-unit-count?

[tribal garnet]

hydro mining uses 0 energy?

[plain stratus]

I'd rather waste my time on tiktok

[dark furnace]

only the pump does

[storm garnet]

20/min are high purity, 10/min are low purity

[tribal garnet]

thats why its efficient

[tall thunder]

Dont u still need energy for the pump?

[storm garnet]

i should have said that in reverse phrase order, but whatever

[tall thunder]

[storm garnet]

mk1 mining rigs use 5 energy

if you use 1 pump for 2 nodes, you use the same energy

but a pump can feed 3 nodes

so you save 5 energy

mk2 uses double energy, so hydro saves a lot

[tribal garnet]

ya

time to say bye to thesse loosers

[tall thunder]

Stupid pipes only works on a grid

[storm garnet]

i had some issues on the jingyu cave cause of that, ye

might be worth it to use conduits even if water is close

[finite anvil]

whatd you do?

[tribal garnet]

used all the ores while also not using all of it basically minmaxing

[real crescent]

Hydro mining has higher protocol capacity useage no? Cos you need all the pipes + conduits + pump

[fleet niche]

Depends on relay/pylon placement

[dark furnace]

need 8 pump instead of 10, so cut 20 energy

you save a total of 110 energy if you are super edging the hydro rig

[fleet niche]

If you need 1 relay 2 pylon to power the mines (they arent all bunched up), its basically the same

[finite anvil]

this did NOT work

[thorn pike]

so far so good

[thorn pike]

gitgud

[dark furnace]

you save more if you include cutting 2 pylon to 1 pylon for 2 pumps in 5 ores clusters

[thorn pike]

i have a shitty AIC and makes full end-game graduation

[storm garnet]

i checked my map and i have 13, cause i count everything as high already

[dark furnace]

that cut it 20 more energy

as there are 4x 5-ores-clusters

[finite anvil]

did you do something for the sewage bug?

[tribal garnet]

bloop

[storm garnet]

i used every single pipe i could use, except the 2 cuprium node cluster, but i don't need that extra pipe for this patch

[thorn pike]

i made it so there's a little surplus of sewage

[storm garnet]

if you log off while it fills, you can go around there while its full

you die if you go up and appear back down

[thorn pike]

wtf lastrite

[dark furnace]

13 including ferrium and coprium?

[storm garnet]

there is water right there, why use conduits

[storm garnet]

oh, i forgot ferrium, it's 15 then

[finite anvil]

as in your putting more sewage into the crucible?

[bright nimbus]

Make sure you connect 1 pump to 3 high purity or 6 low purity. You can mix it too and make it 1 and 4 or 2 and 2

[storm garnet]

let me count everything again just in case

[tribal garnet]

nah it dont matter atp since its just 3/3 high purity and low

right?

xd

[storm garnet]

ye, 15

[bright nimbus]

Yes but you can send rest of water for 3 low rigs to originium that’s close by

Using conduit inlet and outlet

[tribal garnet]

1 pump is connected to 2 low and 1 high and the other 2 high and 1 low

[tribal garnet]

the two close by?

[tribal garnet]

1 high and 1 low

does it even reach tho

[bright nimbus]

Yep just amount of excess water you have

If you use conduit inlet and outlet it reach

[stoic coyote]

Yea

Use conduit for unreachable mining spots

[storm garnet]

apart from coprium, you use 210 energy with normal rigs and 120 energy with hydro rigs

so you save 90 when ignoring the low purity and account for everything being high

[bright nimbus]

For me, I divided 1 pump into two pipes and sent it to originium using conduit

Merged the other pipe with 1 pump then connected it to ferrium

[storm swift]

Is anyone getting a consistent 12 battery or 60 xircon with the aic report set to 2+ hrs?

[storm garnet]

50 saved on originium, 40 ferrium

[atomic fiber]

that only for sewage

[tribal garnet]

wait what

im confused

ive connected 3 low purity together

and 3 high purity together

[coral orchid]

I will try with this method

[dark furnace]

this is crazy, I just did some test by adding fluid tank inbetween cuprium sewage production and xiranite eff crucible VS beltless (use splitters) but also with fluid tank, look at the results after 4 hours of offline

[tribal garnet]

now i sohuld conduit the other to the 2 which is high purity and low purity originium near this right?

[coral orchid]

To prevent clogging, just feed more
So I just use this

[bright nimbus]

Each pump can connect 3 high or 6 low

[tall thunder]

[storm garnet]

you guys min maxing low purity will curse your past self in 1.2

[atomic fiber]

also the input there should be between 0.572/min to 1/min sawage

[coral orchid]

LOL

I never want to optimize like that

[storm swift]

What is this showing?

[coral orchid]

Wow
Seems that the bug is quite crazy

[dark furnace]

the beltless production line got sewage clogged real quick, while the one with belts but tank buffer gets less sewage

[stoic coyote]

Just 1 pump -> 3 hydro mine

[tall thunder]

I just slap more Water Treatment on mine

[dark furnace]

FYI this is the tank buffer I am mentioning

[stoic coyote]

No worry about high or low

[bright nimbus]

So for the pipe you connected to 3 low, divide in 2 first and connect half to originiums

[tribal garnet]

but if i connect 4 low and 1 high does that work

[ornate sorrel]

do you need to use the extra 30 ferrium for you to end with surplus batteries?

[storm swift]

What do you mean by beltless?

[atomic fiber]

that is 50% more on beltless?

[bright nimbus]

Yep

[dark furnace]

replace all input belts (xiranite, ferrium) with splitter/converger

[tribal garnet]

so high purity works like 2 low purity

[bright nimbus]

Yes

[tribal garnet]

ohh i see alr

that explains it

[stoic coyote]

But like you'll get all high purity mine spot in the future

[bright nimbus]

Low purty x high purity 2x

[stoic coyote]

Why would you cut the pump down

[fervent spoke]

What's the current cap for wuling stock bills per hour right now ?

[finite anvil]

dawg the moment your RDL levels up you need to redo everything

why do this

[storm garnet]

when resources in the game are so low that you do the daily mission for 1k credits even if you have the daily manual already at 100....

[coral orchid]

If it's caused by Overflow, yes
If it's caused by Short Supply, no

[bright nimbus]

Thats within a month lol it’s min maxing you don’t have to do it

Ppl would use PMW as well and use less batteries that would exchange for bills

[tribal garnet]

what he said is true tho

[stoic coyote]

Just ask why min maxing 10 Watt

[storm garnet]

i min max 5 watt if i can

[stoic coyote]

The pwm has some error margin tho

[bright nimbus]

Gotta check my screenshot to double check but saved .16k watt for me

[finite anvil]

thing is unless you get a new breakpoint with -10W on your PWM/DIGE it's not even used

[stoic coyote]

It should give you 10 or 20 watt error out

[atomic fiber]

pwm error margin should not be less than 5 tbh

[finite anvil]

yeah my error margin is 200W lmao

[storm garnet]

my error margin is having below 3.4 energy usage

[tribal garnet]

wait

[finite anvil]

4.9k / 5.1k power for me

[tribal garnet]

why min max those pumps when i literally have a farm that has staple water running on it

:v

blud

[storm garnet]

are you making nuclear bombs in wuling or something

[tribal garnet]

like fr

[storm garnet]

wait, your farm is on? wtf such a waste

[tribal garnet]

yes

cuz i log in every 30 mins to get that juicy medicines

[storm garnet]

talking min maxing with your farm on, get out!

[bright nimbus]

Ermm true but rigs have to be constantly filled

[finite anvil]

i let unused buildings powered for convenience

[atomic fiber]

people still farm poo poo too

[nova quest]

Hmm. Will there be a outpost at qingbo stockade?

[tribal garnet]

i alr min maxed my farm bozo

[atomic fiber]

no

[winter ingot]

oh darn, I haven't farmed in 2 weeks

[storm garnet]

you can easily power them off by selecting them all at the same time

[bright nimbus]

At start my rigs went off like microsecond so idk

[finite anvil]

also my farm is on and im not even harvesting shit anymore

[storm garnet]

no need to even delete the unloaders

[bright nimbus]

[finite anvil]

oh my god i didnt notice

[bright nimbus]

But I want ginseng too

[dark furnace]

I am changing the beltless to belts and let's see if the sewage on 2nd set will reduce after I go offline

[storm garnet]

i farmed gingeng for like a week, but i don't even use food aside from the factory ones

[finite anvil]

i stopped farming when its revealed the hardest content in the game disallows consumables

[atomic fiber]

some people just farm because they like farming tbh

and hoarding those gold ginseng

[finite anvil]

so beltless + fluid tanks smooth graph or nah?

[bright nimbus]

To get achievement you would still need it time to time but yeah I agree with u guys too

[coral orchid]

not like mine sadly

[atomic fiber]

beltless offline is just faster than belt offline. but it's still slower than online

[tribal garnet]

blud wha

[tribal garnet]

how many sprays u use

[tribal garnet]

mine has 20 plants in em

[wide pollen]

is going for max 58k a dumb idea

[storm garnet]

a bit, since you want cuprium running constantly for sewage to be constant

[tribal garnet]

bru

[dark furnace]

will you drown if you just stand there while it fills up

[coral orchid]

basically 10

[thorn pike]

If u go offline then no

when u come back you can walk under it

once

[storm garnet]

my farm (of course turned off)

[dark furnace]

it has impact on your whatever production you are using cuprium

[bright nimbus]

I’m running 2/min atm. Analysis by @marble yarrow

[tribal garnet]

blud yer using too much xiranite pylon and 1 extra big ah relay

mines better

you use 7 pylons and 1 extra relay

i use 5 pylons and thats it

i also use 1 pump for all of these

[dark furnace]

would be amazing to look at the ruins under water ngl

[storm garnet]

i use 4 pylons inside the farm lol

[analog elbow]

2 Compact Pylon Farm

[storm garnet]

nice

[dark furnace]

it made my syringe production really unstable while offline

[thorn pike]

not actually. They dont render water if u r under it

so it looks exactly the same

[tribal garnet]

thats actually way better

[bright nimbus]

I use 6 it’s not like it cost power consumption

[dark furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-throw-computer-useless-mad-gif-9550833

[tribal garnet]

wait i didnt think of that

[wide pollen]

switching to 2 is a good idea but im too lazy to rebuild so gonna let it run till max then rebuild

[storm garnet]

tbh, i might dismantle the whole farm to get protocol back, i'm at 344 atm

[tribal garnet]

dont mind me getting inspirations xd

[analog elbow]

It's for maximum efficiency for Protocol Capacity ofc before 1.1

I have delivery lines/poop/ginseng so i have to maximize every ziplines and pylons

[wide pollen]

Im not even producing any batteries rn, running on what left in inventory

[dark furnace]

teammates stuck 3000

[analog elbow]

Camera Mode Exists

[atomic fiber]

guys i have a serius question!!

belt have same speed with each other right?

[analog elbow]

I mean it is a known issue where belts are slower when you're offline

[storm garnet]

this game needs pipes that can go both ways, that would help with sewage control

[atomic fiber]

so if there is 2 offline belt. both is at same offline speed?

[storm garnet]

making loops requires too many splitters and mergers

[wide pollen]

or make pipes stackable

[bright nimbus]

I use this farm layout and it’s a gem 💎

[tawny bear]

i love having 3.21K/3.4K power =w=

[thorn pike]

this is not a solution this is a problem

[analog elbow]

I honestly don't know the rate or how the slowing even works.

[pulsar steeple]

Fill it with Xiranite rather than Jincao/Yahzen

[atomic fiber]

i swear i would be fkkking mad if belt have different speed depending on which item it's carrying AAAAAAAAA

[coral orchid]

is there anyone could success put Zipline in that area?

[thorn pike]

how does the premium xirate stuff (xircon liquid) looks?

[dark furnace]

yea

[pulsar steeple]

dark green

darker than Jincao

[coral orchid]

I want to optimize zipline too

[dark furnace]

but you can't anymore because they patched the jump glitch

[coral orchid]

cant climb sadly

[wide pollen]

btw dumb question, can reactor crucible produce 2 same liquid or still 1 even if I use 2 pipes?

[storm garnet]

the offline slow of belts, convergers, etc, happen when items are input or output of each segment

[bright nimbus]

Can’t build anything on top of the roof sadly tho

[pulsar steeple]

God i want to optimize my zipline so much that i had a dream about fixing it earlier today

[dark furnace]

will need someone to share the zipline to you

[analog elbow]

@craggy whale not that complicated but works for me (close to 30% power when out

[pulsar steeple]

dude, just do this

[dark furnace]

only different fomula at one time

you can't produce the same formula twice in one crucible

[coral orchid]

the only 1 that I had

[storm garnet]

why do people use double convergers, is it for offline bug?

[tawny bear]

i got so much space in here, i am so ready for the next update B3

[analog elbow]

Nuh uh. Seems like Dige shit

[bright nimbus]

Battery roller coaster lol

[analog elbow]

Also that won't cut it for me

[thorn pike]

OH SHIT

[pulsar steeple]

elaborate?

[thorn pike]

I HAVE A THIGN I FORGOT TO CLAIM DOWN THERE

[pulsar steeple]

It is but i design it myself

[storm garnet]

you have 2 columns of convergers on the right

[analog elbow]

Since im using 2 types of Oscillation Power

[wide pollen]

wait patched already?

[analog elbow]

And 2 different of batteries

[thorn pike]

NOOOOOO

[dark furnace]

to edge battery use, you save battery doing this according to your consuption

[dark furnace]

yea they made it so you can't ult mid air

[finite anvil]

im gonna be fucked i think lmao

[pulsar steeple]

you can modify it to your liking

[dark furnace]

you can only ult while your legs are touching the ground

[storm garnet]

me not understand

[wide pollen]

sad

[pulsar steeple]

i wish i notice this much earlier

[storm garnet]

same as wulfgard at lvl 3

[bright nimbus]

Started PMW recently too

[tawny bear]

i should probably drop my blueprints somewhere =3=

[analog elbow]

Yeah but like my Core Building is being used

[tawny bear]

i said i was gonna yesterday but i forgor

[finite anvil]

making use of the backup power generator

[analog elbow]

Also too many splits and 1 Branch can't hold up complex timing

[coral orchid]

meanwhile....

[pulsar steeple]

torture

[dark furnace]

they postpone the delivery of battery to the thermal bank, so it's receiving less than 1 per 40s, this will consume your AIC energy reserve when the bank doesn't have battery to burn, but before the reserve reaches 0%, the next battery arrive the bank and so your AIC is charing the reserve back up, while keeping the AIC powered the whole time.

[analog elbow]

Ah yes. Building Dijang 2 in his backyard

[tawny bear]

pmw is too much of a hassle to be H i can't count that many splitters >.>

[ornate sorrel]

is this too much plant making machine? wanted to ask if there's any way i can trim this down

[finite anvil]

insane pwm setup

[ruby sorrel]

yeah use all your sandleaf output

[storm garnet]

i'm not asking about that

[pulsar willow]

Is there a way to make a fully independent outpost that has 1 buck capsule production line and 1 HC battery production line

[ornate sorrel]

cut the middle one down?

[bright nimbus]

Lol then u don’t need to use water rigs unless u can lower power consumption than 3.4k

[dark furnace]

but your original question is replying to the power edge

[bright nimbus]

It’s just 3 3 3 3 3 split and mergers to send back to depot

[ruby sorrel]

making 12 sc batteries you need 16 belts of sandleaf so you can only "waste" 2 belts of sandleaf powder

[storm garnet]

i'm replying to a specific screenshot of a specific setup

[hoary mantle]

how many pumps are required for 1 planting unit?

[ruby sorrel]

half

[dark furnace]

oh you mean why use all spliters and convergers?

[pulsar willow]

Half a pump

[storm garnet]

again, i'm asking for the double converger column on the right

1 column should be enough

[coral orchid]

my 1st gen before....

a tank

[finite anvil]

i think that's the 'old' pwm setup

[storm garnet]

i only saw that "old" setup recently tbh

[finite anvil]

the first ones posted and shared

[storm garnet]

he said it was self made

[finite anvil]

it has a power limit im pretty sure

[hoary mantle]

thank you! How many pumps do you need for a refining unit?
I'm trying to write down a list of water requirements

[dark furnace]

i see, I guess it's some other setup inspired by the original power edging that supports way more variables

the 12bits one

[pulsar steeple]

honestly one line of converger works but i does it because filling it with only 1 converger line looks weird

[pulsar willow]

Half a pump as well

[hexed schooner]

Anyone got a compact sc wulling battery blueprint?

[pulsar willow]

Like, ypu can just check the recipe list

[bright nimbus]

#1480748825944789106

[atomic fiber]

i know. i mean when it have different item. because it's seems like which item it carry effect the speed or to which building it go

[storm garnet]

ok, so aesthetics, not functionality

[pulsar steeple]

functionally the same but aesthetically better

[hexed schooner]

not so compact

[coral orchid]

Transport Belt bug actually is quite serious if you use PWM

[pulsar willow]

Pump makes 1 water per second, gardening units and refineries use 1 water per 2 seconds, so it's half a pump.

1 pipe can transfer 2 pumps of water.

[storm garnet]

it's probably cause of the next building having full 50 items, so input is delayed

[hoary mantle]

how much water do sky forges need?

and reactor crucibles?

[finite anvil]

only if your max waste/min power is really tight

[atomic fiber]

there is no next building. only 1 building

[storm garnet]

that's why i asked, if it was cause of that

[coral orchid]

Or you can try this

[finite anvil]

im using belts on my PWM because my overhead is 200W lul

[hexed schooner]

Damn I do not have allat space 😭

[storm garnet]

into depot after it?, or maybe it's the first input after unloader

[coral orchid]

the bottom side

[atomic fiber]

there is no problem with the output. i put it into depot so i can count it, with 2 belt between depot so offline belt speed won't effect it

[hexed schooner]

GULP

[coral orchid]

That's 2 SC Wuling Battery

[bright nimbus]

This not compact?

[tribal garnet]

idk how advance urs is but i used 5 pipe splitters 1 tank for this

[hexed schooner]

is it man idk

[coral orchid]

Don't tell me that you haven't upgrade your Sub PAC or Core PAC

[bright nimbus]

Lol

[coral orchid]

[pulsar willow]

Sky forges - half a pump. Reactor crucibles - half a pump per recipe.

[hexed schooner]

oh no everything max I just have bunch of stuff

[bright nimbus]

I gotta work harder

[storm garnet]

i guess it's belt speed then somehow. also, good idea to make belt longer

[pulsar willow]

Like, it's the fourth time I say "half a pump" lol

[hoary mantle]

thank you so much! so only hydrorigs are weird at 1/3 pump, the rest is 1/2 each!

[coral orchid]

I just put Battery in the Sub while Core, I just put for any experiment and stuff

[tribal garnet]

guys for this minmax farm i used 1 pump 5 pipe splitters 10 sprays 1 tank 3 xiranite pylons

[atomic fiber]

help me test it too.

[pulsar willow]

Hydrorigs use 10 or 20 water per minute depending on the node purity

[storm garnet]

tell me what to test exactly

[coral orchid]

It's like in Valley where I use Meds A Grades in Sub PAC while Battery ect in Core

[pulsar willow]

High purity - 20 water, low purity - 10 water

[hexed scroll]

I was placing blueprints for my PAC so I cleared the area but then I ran out of energy and I don't have any batteries, I already turned off all the facilities from sub PACs and I still don't have enough power. What do I do?

[coral orchid]

I was designing everything for sub PAC compact one like 20-40 hours looking for maximum optimizations

[sick basin]

Take batteries from valley

[ruby sorrel]

these crucibles are too inefficient offline..... I'm not clearling outpost even though it should be enough

[sick basin]

Duh

[hexed scroll]

I'm in valley

[atomic fiber]

1. reactor crucible, store xiranite liquid.
2. cuprium refiner. store the sawage and cuprium in stash

(first input should only be 1 belt, all other should be 2 belt to avoid offline belt speed)

[sick basin]

Then uh

[hexed scroll]

Dude I'm so fucked

[coral orchid]

High Purity 1/2 units/s?
Low Purity 1/3 units/s?

[sick basin]

Use bunch of banks and originium ore

[tribal garnet]

can i use water mine on valley 4 too?

[bright nimbus]

Burn originiums and turn on only battery production line?

[dark furnace]

high 1/3, low 1/6

[storm garnet]

man, you can't play this game, devs won't let you

[tribal garnet]

cuz theres water in powerplatue

[hexed scroll]

Ye I only have battery production line turned on and I still don't have enough power

[pulsar willow]

High purity - 1/3 of a pump
Low purity - 1/6 of a pump

[sick basin]

Feed originium into a shit ton of banks

[hexed scroll]

How di I burn originiums

[coral orchid]

So to min maxing better and future proof
Then 1 Pump for 3 Drillers

[bright nimbus]

Send originiums into banks

[coral orchid]

because pump is 1/s for water

[hexed scroll]

Like the thermal banks?

[pulsar willow]

Yes

[marble yarrow]

futureproofing 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥

[sick basin]

Ofc what else

[dark furnace]

yes, but origrium clusters are bad because all of them are 2* and 5*, unless you connect pipe from one cluster to another

[storm garnet]

ok, so the test is to see if sewage and xiranite liquid amounts end up different?

[atomic fiber]

ye

[storm garnet]

ok, i'll put like 4 tanks for each and go offline for a bit after i build everything

hopefully i have enough space

[pulsar steeple]

i think i may have fucked my 2 Comp Factory 💀

[atomic fiber]

ty so much ❤️

[pulsar steeple]

it's so un optimized

[hexed scroll]

Ohhh so instead of putting batteries I just put raw originium in there?

[coral orchid]

I think this is better setup already

[sick basin]

Well, yes

The tutorial did show u can do that

[hexed scroll]

Didn't know I can do that

[hexed scroll]

I skipped them all because the loading takes too long

[bright nimbus]

Just to start up battery production. If it’s running, change to batteries

[tawny bear]

i got 3 pumps cuz i feel like the low nodes are gonna become high and eat all the water =3=

[coral orchid]

Origrium cluster?

2*?

5*?

[tawny bear]

2 nodes/5 nodes per mining spot i think they meant

[marble yarrow]

pump it https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1482611095234416801/cuprium.mp4?ex=69bb892e&is=69ba37ae&hm=efe36301e1f2ca03fbbe23ace48ad99954bb761a2edeba743dc99ca18f49415b&

[storm garnet]

lol, i run out of protocol space cause i put the tanks outside

i didn't want to modify the factory too much, but i guess i need to

[sick basin]

No ziplines is crazy

[hexed schooner]

I might need a sub pac blueprint

[tawny bear]

weep it and read B3

[ruby sorrel]

pls send protocol cap

[marble yarrow]

no turrets

[storm garnet]

you can't do this to me, not this too...

[tawny bear]

o my god

[storm garnet]

i must have been like at 500 before this lol

[hexed schooner]

do u perhaps might share
turns out my subpac was doing stuff i didnt needed 😭

[storm garnet]

ok, i'll delete the mess of splitters i have for the extra ferrium for now

[marble yarrow]

?

[storm garnet]

inefficiency!

[hexed schooner]

Damn how

[marble yarrow]

you know whats worse than clogging with sewage

[pulsar willow]

Clogging with cuprium

[marble yarrow]

buh what field work does to a mf

[coral orchid]

Are you on ASIA? if yes, I can share blueprint

[hexed schooner]

no im on europe 😔

[tawny bear]

im in europe and i got 12/min sc wuling blueprints :V

[coral orchid]

there isn't EU server at this game, no?

[hexed schooner]

there is

[coral orchid]

[tawny bear]

europe and america share the same server

[coral orchid]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1182960034263613440/1464328805593251852/i_see.gif

I guess my eyesight is bad before

because at 1.0, I saw America or ASIA only

[wispy grove]

im back

lemme check my factory

https://tenor.com/view/hell-elmo-fire-flame-in-fire-gif-17650880

[upper fiber]

your factory should be alive with ECG pulse

[storm garnet]

why did this take me so long to setup lol... i'll clog everything and then connect the pipes to the tanks just before logging off

[wispy grove]

let me see, i got 50 sewage after 3 hrs?

[storm garnet]

ok, i logged off

4 tanks each, 5 stashes for the parts

[atomic fiber]

thx 👍

[storm garnet]

maybe i should have made bottles so it takes longer

whatever, it's done

[upper fiber]

i think daily reset add more sewage from dumping sewage irresponsibly

[atomic fiber]

nah no need bottle

[storm garnet]

it should take 66 mins to fill

i'll log in at 60

[marble yarrow]

DIED 4HRS AGO LMAO

[storm garnet]

lol

[cunning obsidian]

it's time for me to transition to the new stuff

[storm garnet]

putting in the calculator 938 - 1038 to remember the time

[cunning obsidian]

the most efficient carbon block path is to use wuling plants and than grind them before baking right?

that lets me do 1:1 ratio on seeders to planters as well yes?

[true furnace]

One less planting unit, yea

[storm garnet]

you use wuling plants for xiranite, yes. the order after that doesn't matter

you can refine then shred, or viceversa

[upper fiber]

you guys's xyranite not fluctuating when using jincao/yazhen for the carbon?

[storm garnet]

just use extra belts everywhere

[wispy grove]

This refinery

[storm garnet]

i'm also thinking of using 1.5 sandleaf powder belts per grinder for xiranite lines

i often see the grinders with 0 sandleaf

[wispy grove]

this refinery wants the cuprium for itself

[upper fiber]

i tested, 1hour offline you lose 6 seed and 6 plant

almost all lose 6pcs, but you gain extra xyra on the forge

so you need to use 2 output belts for forge

[atomic fiber]

my xiranite have no problem except the belt offline speed

[atomic fiber]

did you put any splitter or converger near your plant facilities?

[upper fiber]

no

[pulsar willow]

512 build limit is a bane of my existense

[atomic fiber]

same

[pulsar willow]

I probably know why, but it saves a lot of space...

[storm garnet]

oh, shit, i didn't double check if the xiranite had 1 belt distance from unloader

maybe i did, but i forgot

well, we'll see in an hour

if it fails, next time i'll do a bluprint for all 8 tanks, so i can put them all at the same time. i had to connect the pipes to the tanks separately for each liquid, it took me 2-3 seconds between them

[pulsar willow]

I really want to rebuild my Wuling AIC right now but if I will start now it's going to take several hours

and I have a job tomorrow

so yeah I think my weekends are going to be very interesting

rebuilding my factory for the 4th time

[ancient pier]

Thoughts?
https://www.canva.com/design/DAHC7SGScGU/Qxkw9l-6gGE1305OddnUiQ/edit?utm_content=DAHC7SGScGU&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=sharebutton

[small creek]

would you be interested in a couple of bps that save a total of 125 power

[wispy grove]

https://tenor.com/view/blinding-light-jerry-smith-rick-and-morty-too-bright-adult-swim-gif-9951096662630262377

[pulsar cypress]

[tribal garnet]

bro wtf?

[storm garnet]

another victim

[small creek]

lmao

welcome to wuling mf

[storm garnet]

use less conduits and more pipes

[tribal garnet]

so other than protocol capacity theres this shit too?

wtF?

[tribal garnet]

its cuz i have turrets

[small creek]

i mean i also have turrets

[storm garnet]

i have turrets too

[tribal garnet]

i have like used 10 conduits rn

[storm garnet]

each turret should be +1 i think

[tribal garnet]

with a zipline

[storm garnet]

ziplines count too

[tribal garnet]

wtf

[small creek]

i have turrets and this is my subpac 🤷

[storm garnet]

everything that is not a pipe or pipe splitter

[latent gull]

Guys

[tribal garnet]

so ziplines has a limit/theres protocol capacity

|why da fuck does everything have a limit

[normal prawn]

60/min xircon is maximum yield for now?

[latent gull]

What the different between strength int and agility

What is with this dota 2 reference

[small creek]

ask in #help

[storm garnet]

protocol capacity is just the limit for outside aic, but there is a hard limit outside + inside aic

[tribal garnet]

why even bother puting a limit on ziplines if you have limits over limits over limits

wtfff

[ancient pier]