aic-factory

[daring frost]

so if you only need 1 every 6 seconds theoretically 1 pump can feed 6 rigs

[hard tundra]

I didn’t have any dense powder anywhere and suddenly have 1.2k now

[daring frost]

splitter issue?

[shut rover]

Ah

[pulsar cypress]

Better selling price and higher energy supply with cost only more plumbing headache at building the blueprint..

[daring frost]

we're moving to the plumbing business now

[shut rover]

Im hooking up 4 pipes to four refinery

[daring frost]

thought belts was the end of it? meet pipes & fluids

[twin citrus]

Max wuling production atm? SC and syringe

[daring frost]

that's way too much

[shut rover]

Which is probably a mistake

[hard tundra]

I’m already farming them in valley tho, why dk I need to farm more in wuling?

[daring frost]

I rigged 1 pump to 3 drills & it still clogs

too much water

[hard tundra]

I have like 61k in valley

[shut rover]

I guess i have to redo everything

[pulsar cypress]

12 batt, 6 syrA, 2.75 syr/drinkC

[shut rover]

Can i use convergence to put them in one line

[twin citrus]

Ty.

[daring frost]

nah just remove the pumps, you only need 1 for 6 rigs, I'm also planning to remove the other pump in the rig, since I put 2 for 6 & it clogs with too much water

[pulsar cypress]

Higher energy produced = less qty consumption = more bills to spend on shopping..

[shut rover]

Im just facing cuprium and xiranite efficiency now

[daring frost]

xiranite is capped at 120/min since you can only have 4 forges of the sky

[shut rover]

Im gonna try convergence

[daring frost]

cuprium is also capped so try not to use more than 120/min

since only half is high purity

which is sad

need more development levels

but it's capped at 9 rn

only 8 mining depot are available for cuprium

[hard tundra]

So if I skip the part of transferring dense originum from valley 4 to produce HC battery in wuling, it wouldn’t matter cause i can’t sell it in wuling anyways and have more than enough in valley

[daring frost]

the purpose is to just use it for power, not sell it in Wuling

allows you to build up more SC batteries

[pulsar cypress]

1 pump can supply 3 "high purity" ore nodes..
1 high purity can be change equal to 2 low purity nodes..

So 1 pump can supply 3 hi pure rig up to 6 low pure one..

[daring frost]

but it can only support up to 4.5k power total

[tawny bear]

all im hearing is 12/min sc batteries

[hard tundra]

I have around 3.7k, do u think I should do this setup?

[daring frost]

yeah basically, since it needs xiranite, which is capped at 120/min rn

[pulsar cypress]

Yass.. U cant sell v4 batt in wuling..
So u must make wuling one to sell it in wuling..

[daring frost]

if you can keep the power under 4.5k, then yes

otherwise, just use 2 SC battery setup for 6.6k power

I can't use that setup because my power use is 4.6k

[hard tundra]

OHHB I GET IT, I’m using hc to power my base along with Lc so my production of LC is more and I get more LC TO SELL??

[daring frost]

so I just use 2 SC battery setup & abandon the HC battery

[hard tundra]

I thought it’s going in protocol (hc)

[daring frost]

yes

[daring frost]

nope

HC battery is just for power in Wuling since you can't sell it outside of Valley

[hard tundra]

DAMB I’m actually so

Stopid

[daring frost]

my power consumption is higher because ziplines & towers

[hard tundra]

And ts is so confusing but simple

[daring frost]

when in doubt, just use blueprints

https://youtu.be/N2jNg4RQgyc

[hard tundra]

You would believe me if o said I’m watching a tut w a blueprint and still messing up

[daring frost]

just copy the codes

[daring frost]

this here is the best blueprint maker I know

[hard tundra]

Lastly lastly

[pulsar cypress]

Normally like me, using 1 new wuling battery enough for full wuling factory..
3.32k consumption = 3.2k wuling bat + 0.2k aic..

[daring frost]

I still find it baffling how that huge AIC core only produces 200 power & a tiny thermal bank can produce 3.2k using a battery

[hard tundra]

I was farming citeome b in valley and my originum ore was 450/450 bag maxed, so I stashed that print for a dense originum powder print(120/m)

do i keep both or just dense print since I have enough @daring frost resources to sell in valley

[pulsar cypress]

The battery filled with strong energy drink..

[daring frost]

you could just copy Kyo's blueprint, that way you have full sustain, but you'll need originium ore for a lot of things tbh, batteries all use originium

I honestly wouldn't keep originium in my bag

[hard tundra]

I’m using kyos blueprint for valley with additional citrome b

[daring frost]

mining rigs auto transfer to depot

[hard tundra]

Bag as in the base thingy

[daring frost]

ah, just remove anything that makes you bleed resources

[sick basin]

His bps are fine but use lot of unneeeded space

[daring frost]

if you use it correctly the input & output should be equal

with 20 extra originium

if usage is higher than yield, you're bleeding resources

[hard tundra]

Wait let me reframe

I used kyos blueprint for valley. I used extra citrome b for outpost. NOW I need dense powered for transferring from valley to wuling but didn’t have any so I built a new print and removed citrome b, do I keep both prints citrome b and powder (120) or just powder

[daring frost]

if your yield is higher, you're stockpiling until it clogs

[pulsar cypress]

Also, before placing the bp.. U need to make sure some stuffs..
Like ur lvl.. All ore mined..
Ur ore yield value enough for using the blueprints..
Coz mostly the bp for endgame conditions when all is maxed..

[hard tundra]

With citrome, my depot was maxed and 450/450 in report

[daring frost]

you mean citrome C? since the extra is C not B

[shell hinge]

I believe kyo tries to design for less aic space upgrades, hence all the spare space

[daring frost]

honestly I keep everything

[hard tundra]

Yeah C C

[daring frost]

even have an extra citrome A in the main base

since it fits perfectly

no bleeding

[hard tundra]

I just don’t want to wake up w 0 ores in my depot

[daring frost]

before using kyo's blueprint you need to delete everything and put in the blueprint, trying to find which facility is excess is a hassle

[daring frost]

you won't tbh

since citrome C use amethyst not originium

[pulsar cypress]

That why its important to make sure all mined and check ur ore yield first before placing all the blueprints..
Like me said before..

[daring frost]

and even with everything running you still have yield 560 & usage 540 for originium

[sour sequoia]

chat. how do you automate sandleaf in Wuling.

[daring frost]

that's an extra 20/min so it would stockpile instead of depleting

[hard tundra]

Water water water

[lone pebble]

SAME AS IN v4

[daring frost]

same way in Valley, using planting unit & seed picking unit

[hard tundra]

Damn tysm rin and astral

[daring frost]

you don't need water for sandleaf

only yazhen & jincao need water

[storm junco]

Do one pump can only hold 3 water output?

[pulsar cypress]

Open the planting facility..
Top right there's a water icon toggle.
Turn it off..

[keen river]

Dont use sandleaf to get coal tho

[sour sequoia]

so that's why it won't work. I connected it with water

[lone pebble]

2

[daring frost]

depends on what facility you're connecting to, if it's the hydro mining rig, yes it's 3, if it's factory facilities, then it's 2

[storm junco]

I mean 1 pump= 3 hydrominingm

[sour sequoia]

thx rinrin

[keen river]

its not that simple, but in general yep

[pulsar cypress]

3 of high purity ore..
Can -1 high purity and replace with 2 low one..
So max is 6 low purity node..

[daring frost]

yeah this basically, I just put 2 pumps for 6 rigs, each connected to 3

I forgot that low purity & high purity uses different amount

since high purity mines twice as fast

honestly though cuprium taking 6s to mine is slow

everything else takes 3s

[pulsar cypress]

But if ur lazy, just 1 pump for 3 mine..
So no need to checking mining place again in case there's node that change from low to high purity..

[daring frost]

true

[tawny bear]

chat what should i make with the last 30/min ferrium

15 bottles/min?

[lone pebble]

w4 bat

[pulsar cypress]

Syr/drinkC

Make it 55 with extra 25 from meta transfer if you want..

[wispy grove]

Nah just do 120/min😌

Looks at those full storage of ferrium

Thats a waste if u not use it

[lone pebble]

wy 25 /ferr min when u can have 75/ori ore /m :))

[wispy grove]

You know what, make LC battery too

[foggy kraken]

this is actually a poggers idea but do you guys think I could use the conduits to use the great big hole in Wuling to store all my sewage?

[tawny bear]

not dischargable sadgely

[foggy kraken]

Whaaaaat

Well there goes that idea

[floral heron]

Devs smelled you a few months ago it seems

[foggy kraken]

Good thing fluids don't require power so that farm is about to turn into a fluid storage field

I'm only limited by my AIC limit

[tawny bear]

the pumps need power >.>

[shell hinge]

Either metatransfer ferrium ore and make 2.75/min yazhen c or metatransfer dense originium powder and make hc valley batteries for 1100 power if you use more than 3400 power

[foggy kraken]

Pipes don't

I'm not 100% sure but I think I can run a pipe from the main AIC to the farm

I can't remember but does the fluid storage require power?

[sick basin]

It does

Nor thr conduits

[dark furnace]

fluid tank?

[foggy kraken]

Yeah that

[dark furnace]

nah you can place anywhere without connecting to power grid

why do you need that though

for the farm

[foggy kraken]

I want to mass store sewage

[pulsar cypress]

Just place it to bottle, send to depot..
Then sell to wuling peps daily..
Like other evil endmins do..
*jk

[dark furnace]

[shell hinge]

Is the sub aic not enough?

1.1 bases easily fit into the core aic alone

[foggy kraken]

Idk I'm still messing around with my BP anyways

I'm just theory crafting

With conduits I can make isolated Sky Forges now

[dark furnace]

i am trying to cut down my power to 3.4 but stuck at 3.6 because of some extra ziplines I placed for fun

[foggy kraken]

I placed one too many planters for my Wuling plants cause I didn't realize they changed the ratio of output so I need to optimize that later

[shell hinge]

You don't need to reduce power tbh

We produce enough resources to max the outpost, max weekly artificing, and spend a lot of power

I'm producing nearly double max weekly artificing and at 4500 power

[lone pebble]

o well sewege is corrosive :))

[vast iron]

how did bro dump sewage

[shell hinge]

There's one natural pool of 800 sewage with a chest in it

[lone pebble]

nothing natural , about this :)) that the fact Dev`s can dump it and we cant :))

[keen river]

You dont need to drain it whole to get the chest, like 400 is sufficient

[dark furnace]

if it works I guess

[wispy grove]

When you try to drain the pool to the fluid tanks but cant return it back to the pool cause its sewage

[lusty violet]

yep its real

[final escarp]

Hey guys wanted to ask about reactor crucible
Say I have input xirang of 55/min (30/min + 25/min each port) + max rate of water, and output xirang and xirang fluid,
Will the xirang output be 30/min? Or will it act like a splitter and output 27.5/min? Thanks!

[tough scarab]

you can see a small dip in the graph when you log back on for a bit

hardly an issue unless that breaks some carefully balanced system you've got going on

[undone ether]

You mean XIranite?

[tough scarab]

this sounds like you're trying to do 2x the recipe, which I don't think is even possible

haven't really tried it myself though

[final escarp]

Prefer to call it by the Chinese name cos xiranite sounds less fancy idk

[dark furnace]

crucible can't work on the same formula twice fyi

[undone ether]

The output wouldn't go higher then the cap 30/m on that one reactor. If you're inputting 55/m and using 30/m, you'd get the cap 30/m Liquid Xiranite and the excess 25/m Xiranite as pass-through

[final escarp]

No I'm not doing 2x recipe im merely passing a belt of xirang through reactor crucible
2x Xirang + water = xirang fluid + xirang

[undone ether]

Liquid Xiranite is 1:1 water + Xiranite

[final escarp]

Oh ok thanks

[floral heron]

you also don't have enough output for the produce

[tough scarab]

oh I see

the reactor allows pass through? I thought you had to manually assign outputs

[undone ether]

You should be able to assign Xiranite as an output from the inventory of the reactor

[dark furnace]

you can

input is xiranite

[paper skiff]

How do I unlock stock redistribution level 4 in Wuling?

[dark furnace]

lv3 is max rn

[undone ether]

Thats the funny thing. You dont yet.

[subtle finch]

anyone have a nicer crucible layout? cant seem to be satisfied with mine

[undone ether]

Everything outside recycle stations are capped at lv3

[nocturne forge]

should i build the syringes or dedicate all the cuprium to make cupe component and sc battery?

[paper skiff]

What about that essence tool they showed?

[dark furnace]

why there are 10 crucibles

[undone ether]

60/m

[undone ether]

Its in V4. Theres none available in wuling

[final escarp]

Is there a way for overflow diversion for liquids?
I.e if my fluid tank is full to divert the fluids to elsewhere?

Sorry not fluid tank but like a crucible/planting unit etc

[dark furnace]

60/m what?

[undone ether]

Xircon. they have 2 lines of it for 10 reactors

The bottom 2 reactors are connected via belts and theres a Xircon pass-through

[dark furnace]

I am using 8 for 60/m, and slided in 60/m yazhen solution

[tough scarab]

only way I can think of is a splitter until the tank gets filled

[thorny latch]

is there a list somewhere of things I can craft with the new update?

[tough scarab]

not sure if there is pipe priority like with belts

[thorny latch]

like with the whole cuprium production line

[final escarp]

Hmm but the splitter will half input... I want max input until full then 0 input...

[undone ether]

How would you get 60/m Xircon if you need 5 reactors to make it at 30/m?

[dark furnace]

oh wait sry mb

those green liquids really messed me up

[tough scarab]

you can check the ingame database for the items you make with cuprium, you need to check it for recipes anyways

[dark furnace]

so hard to tell what's what

I also forgot xicron needs crucible to make

3 braincells at 2AM

[thorny latch]

the forge in the sky limit makes me want to kill myself

[dark furnace]

I got used to it, just think of it as the limited supply of ores, but xiranite

[undone ether]

Theres really not a way to do it unless you use the logistics part to set an output and manually turn on/off the diversion

[thorny latch]

except there's both :3

lemme see

batteries require 1 xircon/2s

[paper skiff]

Where exactly? Its not an option for me in stocks

[undone ether]

In valley 4's region. You need to have every stock redistribution center at lv4 to unlock it

[uneven aspen]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1482466765459030056 there's this for pipes & splitters

[undone ether]

Theres 3

[uneven aspen]

idea is reactor fills up so the liquid diverts more to the other pipe by the splitter

[thorny latch]

man why do the flowcharts not show item counts

I need to open 17 menus just to see how many of each thing I need for full blast production

[uneven aspen]

yeah I've just screenshot the entire chart onto paint

then screenshot the formulas and paste them underneath

[thorny latch]

mfw it doesn't fit on the screen :3

[uneven aspen]

then paint some numbers to know how much of each 😔

i feel like it should just show the first 2 if anything

there's a lot of white space for it on PC, gonna assume it's cause limited screen space to display on mobile

[dark furnace]

i wonder if it works flawlessly when you go offline

[uneven aspen]

It definitely works its how i fixed my battery sewage issue

though i messed up 1 part of it, fixed it again when i logged in today

hopefully its fine when i check on it tomorrow

[dark furnace]

I haven't got into that problem yet

what exactly is the problem?

unstable battery production?

[uneven aspen]

the issue is 100% SC batteries will have clogging sewage when offline even though it should be 1:1

and for under 100% batteries cause to make gear components it will lose more sewage than it suppose to

when going offline*

so it looks fine when online the produciton and yields are stable

[tough scarab]

this is cool, but I'm not sure it really counts as priority flow when it's just using overflow

[uneven aspen]

but when offline it will clog or run out of sewage causing issues

[bright nimbus]

Mine was similar but I changed a bit to decrease SC battery production to 5/min and make more Cuprium composition

[uneven aspen]

you can control it so you can decide where in the pipeline for the watertreatment

like you can do sewage->split into treatment and crucible

or sewage-> go to crucible then split to treatment

[thorny latch]

oh wait nvm I can't start producing SC batteries yet :3

:3

[uneven aspen]

surprised you dont have excess batteries

when 1.1 came otu i had 40k of the lc wuling batteries leftover

[thorny latch]

I do

I sell them all each day

[tough scarab]

if you sold them all each day the outpost should be broke

[thorny latch]

thing is, I can't produce LC and SC at the same time because of arbitrary facility limits

so if I switch my LC production to SC, I can't sell things to the outpost

[vapid dock]

Were you not producing enough to meet quota or did you swap out to sc before reaching lv3

How is that outpost not broke

[worthy sky]

All the Xiranite, till another update adds another 2 forges of the sky and I'll need to place another module down.

[winged oriole]

surely nothing can go wrong now

[thorny latch]

I'm still doing LC

[lone pebble]

that`s big ! \

[thorny latch]

cause I can't produce anything else to sell them at any considerable profit margin

soon as they hit L3, I'm switching to SC batteries and selling them syringes

[undone ether]

Input of 2/s (Cap for most water transportation. It becomes 1/s if it's a single pipe input btw)
Splitter w/ 2 outputs halves the rate; if it gets 2/s it outputs 1/s alternating between the two outputs. If it's a 1/s input; it pushes that water to each output every other second.
If the pipe is filled; it diverts every tick to the other output

So in this example we have 2/s to a splitter; 1/s to each output. If the reactor and it's piping is flooded (clogged), then you have 100% output to the tank(2/s) until the reactor clears the fluid in the pipe. It does this at a rate of 1:2s (Since you cant push 0.5 liquid down a pipe in a single tick; it requires 2 ticks)
Timeframe example;
1st sec; 2 Water going right
2nd sec; 1 water going right, 1 going left
3rd sec; 2 water going right

In other words it's just splitters doing splitter things, trying to push items between 2 paths. It does the same thing with belts.

[thorny latch]

assuming I can produce enough cause god knows Hypergryph likes to artificially cap you

[vapid dock]

Wym make considerable profit margin it was just 5.75 syringec / jincao and lc batteries to meet the hourly quota.

[tough scarab]

you are already able to produce enough to bankrupt the outpost with your current materials, so something else is going on here with your factory

[thorny latch]

up until literally right now I could only produce one line of batteries

[tough scarab]

the artificial cap only matters if it, yknow, caps something

[thorny latch]

so I've been splitting it between power and selling

however I do not believe I have the space to make another one of these because uhhh'

sandleaf is the bane of my existence

[uneven aspen]

Doesn't liquids move instantly though?

[undone ether]

Use Wuling plants to make Xiranite

[vapid dock]

I think the bane of youe existence has more to do with space efficiency

[thorny latch]

correct :3

[undone ether]

V4 plants are 1:1 carbon while Wuling plants are 1:2

[thorny latch]

WHAT?!

oh my fucking god

[tough scarab]

wuling plants also need 1 less planter so space is saved

needs water though

[thorny latch]

conduits once again being the best facility in the game

[undone ether]

Like thats an issue. 1 pump can supply water to 2 different plant lines. so 1 pump : 4 Carbon

[thorny latch]

WELP!

time to tear all this down

[undone ether]

Just be sure you have 2 pipes leading to and from conduits otherwise you cap them to 1/s instead of 2/s

[thorny latch]

tomorrow tho, I need enough battery stockpile to make my factory not collapse in on itself

[vapid dock]

Like this is my 1.1 factory. All the xiranite production and sandleaf was offloaded to the outpost and the outpost still has enough space for like 3-4 more sandleaf loops.

[thorny latch]

huh?

OH

like two pumps into one conduit?

gotcha

[undone ether]

piping capacity for water is caped by how many pipes are connected. So having a single pipe space between pump and conduit caps the conduits transfer rate of liquid to 1/s

[thorny latch]

yeah I'll come back to this tomorrow or something I need to tear down this entire thing

[dark furnace]

looks really neat

[thorny latch]

wait what?

I thought you meant the 2/s transport limit of pipes

which means 2 pumps/pipe to not waste any time or space

[undone ether]

All pipes have a 2/s transport speed. But capacity of a pipe is 1 per tile; so 1 single pipe tile is 1 capacity while 14 connected has a 14 capacity.

[thorny latch]

what difference does it make tho?

[dark furnace]

the best part is that you have those extra sandleaf power sent to storage so you could just pipe that down to battery production

[undone ether]

And you cant transport water at a speed of 2/s if the capacity is 1

[thorny latch]

water's being moved either way

oh

[undone ether]

it caps the speed at which water moves

[thorny latch]

wait no that still doesn't make sense

[tough scarab]

if you're converging 2 pumps into a conduit it'll still be running at 2/s, what do you mean?

[undone ether]

Give me a minute and I'll show you can example

[thorny latch]

it would just move 1 water every two seconds

*half second

pipe moves two per second, so it stores and unloads one every half a second

why does capacity change anything?

or is ti because of tick rate?

[trail mirage]

how to stich pics :d

[vapid dock]

Paint

And lots of eyeballing

[thorny latch]

these pipes are coded like a minecraft industry mod holy shit

nothing makes sense

[undone ether]

This example shows a single pipe layout where the capacity is 20; but the speed is 2/s. So this pipe can fill up and move liquids at a rate of 2 every second (Either filling or outputting)

Second picture shows a single pipe. The capacity is stuck at 1; while the transportation speed shows 2/s. How transfers work is on a tick rate as I said with the piority flow above; each tick (1 second) it moves however much it can move; be that inputting up to 2/s or outputting up to 2/s.

3rd pick shows a conduit with a single pipe output; it can only move 1 water every second as opposed to the 2/s cap on transportation speed; capping it's actual output speed at 1/s

[trail mirage]

i arent reading all that

[undone ether]

[thorny latch]

so it's just tick rate then

gotcha

[dark furnace]

I am reading because all this calculation are so annoying to understand

[thorny latch]

in short: a pipe cannot move things at half a second intervals

[undone ether]

pretty much. Everything moves on a per second tick.

[tough scarab]

so if I'm understanding this right the output pipe is only 1 pipe long so it only outputs 1/s?

[dark furnace]

I will let others translate the numbers into language

[thorny latch]

so a pipe can move 2 units/second, but it only moves stuff in one second intervals

normally 2/s would mean 1 every 0.5 seconds, so no problem

but because the entire factory runs on intervals of one second, it cannot do that

[tough scarab]

if that's the case I don't see how this matters much if you're guaranteed to need more than 1 pipe anyways for any factory you're building

[thorny latch]

it will transport as much as it can within a one second interval, up to two units

[undone ether]

its just pipe length

[tough scarab]

you'd need a bunch of splitters to multiple machines regardless to make full use of 2/s

[undone ether]

like a single pipe going to a splitter has a 1/s transport rate; making the splitter move that 1 unit of water between it's outputs every second

[thorny latch]

but if the pipe is only one unit long, it can only fit one unit, and because it ticks every second, it will only pass on one unit per second

[paper skiff]

Should I sell batteries or syringes? I'm struggling to produce batteries cuz I also use xiranite for cuprium components and egular xiranite batteries for power

[thorny latch]

interesting

I hadn't even thought of this game's tick speed being so sluggish

[nova lodge]

redesigned the farm layout, no more teamate blocking issues now.

[tough scarab]

right but the only situation this applies is very specifically having only 1 pipe length between the conduit and the splitter, no?

[undone ether]

it's the same w/ Conduit outputs leading to units that require that liquid too

[trail mirage]

wait until we can place more plots

[tough scarab]

if you're leading the pipe to a unit, it won't need the full 2/s speed anyways

[vapid dock]

I dont think thats really the case

[paper skiff]

Anyone else think the forge limit is stupid?

[tough scarab]

so this only matters with splitters to get it to more units

[nova lodge]

i will just expand along the side later

[vapid dock]

the pipe is showing 2 flow rate, capacity 1, the fluid tank is still get 2 per second

[tough scarab]

you know what's real stupid? The ferrium limit

how are we making more xiranite than ferrium

[trail mirage]

meta storage go br

[real crescent]

eh. having more forges wouldnt really do much for us. we could produce fertilizer and liquid xiranite for exploration without impacting production lines and thats pretty much it. basically everything else is gated by the minerals

[trail mirage]

more compoents

[real crescent]

components that also need other minerals to be produced, so youd have to make the same tradeoff anyways. ig you could decouple batteries and components for red comps, but theyd still be tied to meds

[rugged gulch]

I just hate how we are forced to make our factory dependent on us selling good to make sure things don't cap, cause if they cap the factory dies.

[paper skiff]

Well I've been struggling to taco manage xiranite cuz I'm using it for SC batteries, regular xiranite batteries for power, and curpium components

I would show my layout but I'm not at my pc rn and I think people here would yell at for how unorganized it is

[vapid dock]

@undone ether
its still 2/s, pipe capacity doesnt affect transfer rate

[calm flare]

anyone using kyostinv's setup for wuling 1,1? i set it up twice and idk what im doing wrong but my orignium ore is in the negative and depleting fast

[undone ether]

I havent tried anything with fluid tanks (Since they're kinda redundant unless you're using it as a back-up water source) so thats interesting

[dark furnace]

i guess problem exist if you have a one block pipe but you need 2 units after, for example there are two pipes that bridged another pipe with one block of gap

i don't know what would happen tbh

[vapid dock]

its just a quick setup to test transfer rate

[paper skiff]

Is it better to sell yazhen syringes and use the SC batteries for power?

[rugged gulch]

You sell both

[paper skiff]

Then how do I power my factory while also producing SC batteries and curpium components?

[thorn pike]

even if you use 6 thermal banks you are not gonna run out of SC batteries

[thorn pike]

you do both

is it that hard to understand

you make 12 and use 1~2

[vapid dock]

uh yeah its 1/s because you only have one pump

[thorn pike]

are you gonna eat the other 10

[frail trail]

by not selling all of your sc bat

[thorn pike]

even if you sell all, you will still power them through a sub belt

[rugged gulch]

eh, you can sell all your bats, and as long as you are making more you are good. The banks buffer like 50 batterys.

[frail trail]

tho with a max factory, you will be making more than you can sell so you are bound to have sc bat in reserve

[thorn pike]

are you stupid by any chance

[paper skiff]

I'm trying to say I'm running out of xiranite

[thorn pike]

they wont run out

[frail trail]

what are you making to run out of xiranite

[paper skiff]

I make both versions of the xiranite batteries and curpium components

[vapid dock]

dont make 12 cuprium components or something

[thorn pike]

even at 0 xiranite you can still maintain all productions

[frail trail]

6 comp + 12 sc bat?

if so you will need to lower them

[soft iris]

help me

😭

[frail trail]

damn what did you do

[soft iris]

nonthing

its my first time in wulling building

[frail trail]

oh

just transfer over like 2000 hc valley battery

[soft iris]

does valley battery even work/

[frail trail]

an use those a fuel source while you build your xiranite maker and wuling lc

[frail trail]

yes

[dark furnace]

If you really need component just cut down 6/m SC and focus on producing components a few days then go back to 12/m SC. Should leave you enough until they announce another new component

[frail trail]

you just can't really make them at a viable rate in wuling

[paper skiff]

My usage of xiranite exceeds how much I'm making and its slowimg down how many SC batteries I'm making

[rugged gulch]

I just turned down my component production till things stablize, and i can adjust from there.

[frail trail]

reduce your comp

[thorn pike]

factories aren't racist

[vapid dock]

make 0.something components per minute

[solid linden]

finally its over

[dark furnace]

you can even use origrium

[vapid dock]

you only need 0.39/min and thats if you can buy all 80 artificing catalysts weekly

[soft iris]

same thing as my friend said

how do i do that

[frail trail]

comp is not too important, you are bottlenecked by the weekly catalyst

[dark furnace]

just feed the origirum ore into the power tank

[solid linden]

just put it inside thermal bank

[paper skiff]

I tried but that also indirectly affects the sewage rate which I use for the battery mats

So that also slows down battery production

[frail trail]

use pipe splitter for those sewage

[rugged gulch]

syringes A's will make all you need in sewage, though you can also feed back from battery production to cover any loss.

[vapid dock]

sewage shouldn't really be affected? only xiranite, have your cuprium be processed independent from other modules

[frail trail]

it is, xircon require sewage

[dark furnace]

that's why I suggest cut down one set of battery production line and focus on using 60/m cuprium ore to make the new component first.

[frail trail]

wait a minute

[vapid dock]

the only thing slowing down sewage production is if your cuprium refineries are clogged

[soft iris]

u guys are geniuses i never tried putting originium ore into the power tank

[frail trail]

overflowing sewage because lowering xircon production can affect syringe a

[dark furnace]

they cut the supply of xiranite to the crucible, so the usage rate of sewege is slowed down -> clogged the refiner -> clogged cuprium production

[paper skiff]

Yeah cuz I have two refineries and two xiranite unloaders for components

If I lower xiranite, the refineries are gonna clog

[dark furnace]

many CCs suggest just stock up component first before moving on to 2 sets of battery production

[vapid dock]

ah right sewage usage slows down

[lucid python]

has anyone made kyostinv's 1.1 wuling base?

[undone ether]

[rugged gulch]

Just have to make an overflow value to vent sewage then.

[frail trail]

i believe something like this should stop sewage overflowing

[vapid dock]

if only

[dark furnace]

but then the cuprium/cuprium part clogs up in a week then slow down sewage production

[rugged gulch]

got to keep them syringes A's flowing then. It can eat all cuprium production.

[dark furnace]

anyway I don't like mixing battery and component at the same time anyway as they use way more energy together

[undone ether]

Okay so this is funny/weird. Pipes actually act like a back log. They dont fill and pass on liquids; they store excess liquids. Yeah throw everything I was talking about out; pipe length doesnt matter because spaghetti code

[vapid dock]

to be fair with enough splitters/convergers you can make overflow circuits for anything

[frail trail]

ngl the sewage requiring you to not overflow or underflow kinda fucks over everything

[dark furnace]

thanks for testing though

[dark furnace]

real

i guess that's why the priority flow really helps

[undone ether]

If they fix pipes to actually be storage; ie; goes from pump to pipe; then to whatever's pulling at max rate; then what I said would be true

[frail trail]

oh

[rugged gulch]

yeah, the requirement for us to sell stuff to avoid capping is annoying. Now if we had like some kind of auto-sell feature that would sell even if money capped then it would be fine.

[frail trail]

what's the priority flow about, saw it was being talked about in but didn't read the thread

[undone ether]

but pipes atm are just Pump to unit; then whatever is excess is left in pipe.

[tiny topaz]

im kinda mad this doesnt seem to work

like why shouldnt it???

[frail trail]

because you will have 6 items in the crucible

[undone ether]

because you cant do a partial craft. You're trying to output 3 liquids w/ only 2 outputs

[frail trail]

ferrium powder, sewage, inert xircon, xircon liquid and xircon would be created

[tiny topaz]

i mean the sewage is in there

[frail trail]

which is more than 5

[undone ether]

Both Xircon Effluent and Inert Xircon Effluent are products of a single craft w/ a cap of 50 storage. You cant go over that 50 storage so you need to output both liquids

[vapid dock]

output slots is just a mirror of whats in the 'inventory' of the crucible its not its own slot. You don't have any slots left for xircon

[tiny topaz]

right

im just annoyed the slot cant fast swap as it produces xircon from whatever material is in that slot

[scenic swift]

even if it could the pipe cant handle 2 diffent things

[tiny topaz]

the pipes themselves dont really need to tho, right?

[trail mirage]

wait what should i be metastoraging to wuling

[lucid python]

why is my conduit inlet not getting any water?

[tiny topaz]

xircom creates sewage as a byproduct, that sewage is used to create xircon effluent

[vapid dock]

processed ferrium

[trail mirage]

yea that makes sense

[uneven aspen]

probably pipe conveger or splitter direction?

[trail mirage]

then what

[vapid dock]

process the remaining 30 ferrium ore/min and split the 30/min and the 25/min to both bottle/parts for 2.75 syringe c

[nocturne forge]

should i run yazen syringe farm too or invest everything into the batteries and components in wuling?

[lucid python]

water should be going through yeah?

[vapid dock]

or jincao either or

[lucid python]

nvm

[uneven aspen]

move conduit back by 1

[lucid python]

i am so stupid

lmao

[trail mirage]

i mean now what

[uneven aspen]

fluid pumps weirdly want space from the conduit

[dark furnace]

i hate this when we need at least one pipe to activate the conduit

[vapid dock]

I ardy showed the screenshot you do the rest

[trail mirage]

i get two splitters right?

[ocean trout]

Same logic for belts

[lucid python]

alr base finally done

I can't imagine how complicated it's gonna be in 2 years

gonna need electrical engineering degrees

[rugged gulch]

Game just does not do direct Insertion. Always needs a belt/pipe. sadly.

[dark furnace]

if only we have a pump that acts like a conduit inlet

pump mark II

[ocean trout]

Sadly
It wont get too complicated

[uneven aspen]

likely we won't get big aic upgrades until a new map/region to go to after wuling

[lucid python]

base is so gross with all the sewege being piped around

[ocean trout]

If they implement anything complex like oil in most factory games
Players will quit

[rugged gulch]

Oil is so easy though.

[tiny topaz]

oil doesnt even sound as complicated as most ores at this point

[ocean trout]

I just pipe them outside tho

[uneven aspen]

nah anything super complex should just be optional

[vapid dock]

from the dev trailer we're going to have even more liquids and another building that makes liquid

[tiny topaz]

i just hope we get a way to upgrade unloaders to unload more per second

[dark furnace]

if it gets too complicated they need to increase the BP size so people could just copy the whole base from others

[uneven aspen]

Arknights handles challenge content via it giving extra nonessential rewards, so events still give pull currency why the optional challegne content doesn't

[ocean trout]

Now on hindsight yes
When u started it blind it was hell
Best example is switchin from basic to advanced oil refining in factorio

Oil in satisfactory is still a headache for me tho

[undone ether]

This actually gives me an idea to try

[uneven aspen]

assuming endfield will do the same . . . complex/challenging aic and combat will be optional

[tiny topaz]

if you get something working let me know lol

[ocean trout]

Why
Conduit is better
It can supply water from 2 pumps with 1 path

[vapid dock]

oil in satis is much easier than in factorio because the awesome sink exists

[dark furnace]

isn't conduit capped at 1 unit per second?

[ocean trout]

Yes but i like efficiency
Now with that mindset....
Oil turns into a nightmare esp when u wanna make turbofuel using alt recipes for more efficiency and hilariously... use thr alt recipe without blenders

[ocean trout]

Nope
Its 2

I use 1 conduit for 4 refineries

[tawdry sequoia]

looks like everytime i go offline my sewage got clogged, does anyone experience this too?

[vapid dock]

everything runs slightly slower when offline

[dark furnace]

it does for everyone

[ocean trout]

Till now no
I have treatment plants equal to refineries and 2 for inert

[dark furnace]

the crucible not using up the sewage 1:1 is the culprit

[vapid dock]

but it isn't egregious enough to actually impact hourly quota so I just ignore it

[tawdry sequoia]

i'm not using the treatment plant, i use the sewage for xircon

[rugged gulch]

slower or ticks are calculated a bit different. Willing to bet they don't keep up the 1 sec ticks for offline factories.

[ocean trout]

thats why

U create more sewage than ull need for xircon

[tawdry sequoia]

the ratio is 1:1 no?

[dark furnace]

it's like 1 : 0.99 when you go offline

[nova lodge]

sewage,,,,yum :3

[undone ether]

I- I might've actually found a way for this to work hold on It's working-

2 reactor Xircon

[vapid dock]

as someone who's played factorio and dsp to the point of crashing whenever I try loading my save its a miracle whatever is handling per individual account throughput hasn't exploded yet

[tribal crescent]

oh no

[ocean trout]

Not really
Xircon need 2 xicon fluid
But it also gives sewage

So u only need to supply 1 reactor crucible with sewage as the other is fulfilled by xircon

The rest of sewage should be treated to remove

[tribal crescent]

now that we can drop factories thing outside of base

we can surround an alluvium site with planters

then have turrets go at them

😭

[uneven aspen]

how to use splitter+converger to only use 20/min xiranite so I can have a nonmoving graph?

[vapid dock]

people already kinda did that with splitters

[tribal crescent]

put in some flamethrowers too

[rugged gulch]

yeah, my bet is they use the production per min and tabulate from there.

[tribal crescent]

crazy tuff

[vapid dock]

a literal wall of splitters

[tribal crescent]

do splitters count for protocol space

[ocean trout]

Well dyson sphere does become intergalactical amd interplanetary in game

While endfield only has metatransfer

[tribal crescent]

imagine if we can place things mid combat

like the opening of the game!

[ocean trout]

That was a gimmick

Thay would only be given durin eos ig

[uneven aspen]

no clogging sewage for SC wuling battery running at 6/min yield had to extra jank 😔

[ocean trout]

https://youtu.be/yJ_DWRk_CEI?si=n0n4cTgrFZ1mmb4Z

Here some trauma for those eantin more

[uneven aspen]

my 66% xiranite usage one is similar but uhh i think the depot unloaders and splitter+converger is bad for the xiranite?

[vapid dock]

split the 30/min into three lines and just converge the two?

[dark furnace]

if it works it's okay

[uneven aspen]

the issue is the aic report graph is unstable

so there's some issue with it

[dark furnace]

2/3 setup, from top to bottom : converger > splitter > converger

[uneven aspen]

hmm never tried it this way thanks

will try it out either way

my splitter+conveger janks always mess up offline 😔

[lusty violet]

things just mess up offline

them dips

[uneven aspen]

well atleast sewage is 100% solved, did the math and tested offline a few times no more clogs/leakage

[vapid dock]

just account for 1% losses from idk the universe or something just like irl

[dark furnace]

unstable graph is mainly reflecting how many you are consuming, not the output. If the production is not 1:1 to what a machine intended to do, the graph would be unstable

[lusty violet]

ehh even if you have stuff set up to run 100% there'll be dips when offline

[uneven aspen]

it should not show dips if you go to 2hr aic report

[lusty violet]

but yea its a tiny amount so

cuz it averages out

[dark furnace]

oh you are using 2h

[uneven aspen]

yeah, because you can't tell offline desync if you don't

cause sewage slowly loses or clogs over time takes more than 20-30 mins for me

[undone ether]

Whats with that sewage line?

[uneven aspen]

but this time im 100% certain it's not sewage

[uneven aspen]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1482466765459030056

using this concept

essentially you make the xireffu reactor at 50 sewage, then the sewage will go back to the splitter towards the watertreatment

we have 6 lines of sewage, 4 from cuprium refiners, 2 from xircon reactor crucibles

so you can overfill the 4 xireffu reactor crucibles

then send the 2 extra sewage to 2 water treatment.

currently my setup is janky but it works

will probably figure it out making it more clean/compact later

[undone ether]

Sewage wise you can make it a lot more simpler for a single battery output. Just do 1 sewage line from Cuprium refining to both reactors; then run a converter that pulls the sewage from the end reactor It's slow to start as you need 2 sewage so it runs at half rate; but once the final reactor starts moving it goes at full rate thanks to the extra source of sewage

[ocean trout]

More i think about it
Maybe i should make 2 xircon instead of 1

But im lazy

[uneven aspen]

but does it break when offline?

im adding excess sewage to prevent that

and adding a way for excess sewage to watertreatment to prevent clogging

[undone ether]

I havent had any issues with clogging while offline. Theres dips to production but thats for everything when offline this update (Funnily enough)

[uneven aspen]

Have you been keeping track of sewage in the reactors and at refinery to see?

[worthy moon]

have anyone encountered "quantum production"?
my production is extremely stable when I'm present, but once I close the game or leave wuling, it starts swallowing some reactor crucible produce every several minutes

[undone ether]

Just a little example that literally everything dips; its not sewage thats causing it with the offline issues

[vast iron]

Any visual (graph)?

[dark furnace]

increasing factor of clog loop

[hallow monolith]

how much copium should i stock up on

[tiny topaz]

so what was i doing wrong? lol

they said it wouldnt work lol

[vast iron]

Huh, interestinv

[tiny topaz]

also i have a question. is the mk2 miner the same efficiency as the water miner?

[vast iron]

Yes

[undone ether]

It's kinda buggy since the reactor's trying to do 2 crafts at once. Running from start to finish it was able to produce 51 Xircon; but after that it tried to only do Effluent/Inert and ended up clogging

[undone ether]

Yes

[tiny topaz]

because it says 6 per second instead of 3

in some places

[vast iron]

How do you even make a reactor do 2 at oncr in zircon

[vast iron]

Mining spot purity

[undone ether]

.

[tiny topaz]

oh

[undone ether]

It was working while it wasnt clogged and kept swapping between the two; but at one point it tried only doing Xircon which caused the clog.

[tiny topaz]

so it works then it doesnt? lol

[dark furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-23187866

[vast iron]

Might be because there is still leftovers from the other recipes?

[undone ether]

Yeah it works for a period of time and then stops

[tiny topaz]

wait then isnt this way more power efficient??

[vast iron]

Yes?

[tiny topaz]

good to know, guess i gotta swap em all now

[worthy moon]

just make sure to update it with every patch, as the water requirement depends on the deposit purity

[undone ether]

Essentially what needs to happen for them to fix it is make it so if the inventory is clogged and cant produce that craft; to swap crafts to whatever it can instead of trying to do something it cant.

[vast iron]

Just be aware that of the purity of the ore increases in future update the water consumption increases

[tiny topaz]

good to remember

[undone ether]

[vast iron]

All the recipes in zircon have at least 3/4 components so no clue how you fit 2 in 1 LOL

[tiny topaz]

although im not sure all mining spots have water available

[dark furnace]

they do

[vast iron]

This is why conduits exist

[dark furnace]

nothing conduit can't fix anyway

200m is pretty long

[undone ether]

When it was working it was swapping the Inert and Xircon in the inventory

[vast iron]

Weird, because those 2 recipes should take 6 slots...

[undone ether]

0 slots are swapped out when the craft swaps to a different one

[shrewd knoll]

it would still be producing at less than 100% if it has to swap the slot every time it produce

[undone ether]

so in the case of 1 reactor making Influent/Xircon; when it stopped making Inert it'd swap the inventory slot for Inert to Xircon and vice versa

[vast iron]

Yeah it would cause some minor clogging

[dark furnace]

wait for it to mess up while you offline

[vast iron]

It will

[undone ether]

To make it work you'd have to change the fill timing for both sewage and liquid xiranite I think

[vast iron]

Yeah and offsetting is inconsistent 99% of the time

[dark furnace]

it works until you logoff I guess. As reloggin reboot the belts anyway

[undone ether]

Essentially make it so it has enough of both being inputted to make 1 craft; then with no input it swaps to making Xircon until it gets more liquid inputted

[vast iron]

I doubt there is any way to make a machine that offsets...

[undone ether]

It'd be a hassle that essentially evens out just doing it the normal way w/ 5 reactors

[vast iron]

Everything operates in 2*x seconds

[vast iron]

Bro its just 1 reactor...

[uneven aspen]

your design for 20/min works. Thanks, I don't get how it works exactly but will try it out offline hopefully it doesnt lead to dips 🙏

[undone ether]

What I mean is trying to use a 2 reactor line to do Xircon instead of the normal 5 reactors. To make it work you'd have to essentially split the liquid xiranite between another reactor or 2 so the timing works out

[vast iron]

Yeah itl be annoying

[undone ether]

honestly more efficient to just do it the normal way for now

[vast iron]

Why does the crucible have 5 slots

Like

Most useless number

It barely handles alternating medicine powders

[undone ether]

because most other reactions require 1-2 inputs and produce 1-2 outputs.
Like Xiranite liquid needs Xiranite (Material) and water (Liquid) while you can also input a powder (Like Yazhen) to have 3 input slots and 2 output slots

Cuprium is the only one that makes it go over the 5 slots for 2 reactions

[shrewd knoll]

its the perfect slots for water based recipes and nothing else lol

[vast iron]

im just ranting lol

[shrewd knoll]

8 slots when

we need bigger bombs

[tiny topaz]

i shoulda just built conduits and not been stubborn

[vast iron]

Liquid aketine powder soon

[hallow monolith]

it's funny when you go down to .5 copium component a minute the graph just completely breaks

[vast iron]

Yeppers

Same for .3

[hallow monolith]

rounds down from .5 to 0 at 30+ minutes

[vast iron]

"0 per minute"

[hallow monolith]

trying to figure out the rate of flow like a gorilla here took me like 2-3 hours of my life

[outer basin]

I've decided I'm going to have to settle for manually turning machines off and on and adjusting belts whenever I want to make Components. Like a caveman.

[bright nimbus]

Same.. Found this recently

[hallow monolith]

god

fucking factorio load balancers

actually i guess these are more like rate limiters

[bright nimbus]

Loll

[shrewd knoll]

ferrium overmining itself

[hallow monolith]

i dont want to go back to that dark time of my life

the time where i was truly happy

[dry junco]

Is a 24/min buck capsule A setup in valley 4 possible? I have one outpost dedicated to making batteries and theres enough ferrium for it left, its a matter of space

[hallow monolith]

gronking a factory for 14 hours a day

no adult responsibilities

[shrewd knoll]

offline calculation so unhinged

[outer basin]

just never go offline

[lusty violet]

yea it should be, but you'll only have 120/min ferrium left

[vast iron]

When afking becomes part of the game...

[nova lodge]

bitcoin mining....but its endfield
resource mining maxing.

[outer basin]

I did it for BDO. Stamina regen was faster when you're online, so I'd just let it run whenever I'm at the computer, whether I was actively playing or not.

[vast iron]

V4 stock bills is the new currency now

irl

[outer basin]

At least then they'd have a use.

Only thing left for me to buy at this point is gifts.

[vast iron]

V4 giving us 1 triple selector and then NOT RESTOCKING
im not even doing v4 depot runs anymor

[outer basin]

25mil for a Basic HH ticket every week would go hard.

[vast iron]

Worth tho

[outer basin]

Or even 30mil, at that point you don't worry about overcapping.

[shrewd knoll]

unclaimed stocks is the new wallet

[vast iron]

[vast iron]

Or the better alluvium ticket

[outer basin]

I've got all the Essences I need, I only need random ones for upgrading now.

I suppose refreshing double claim tickets would be nice, too.,

Just something

[vast iron]

Even the stamina 2x ticket

Id buy those

why is that only available in set quantities...

[nova lodge]

working on etchspace....to be continued indeed....

[vast iron]

When can i build factory in etchspace

[nova lodge]

gonna be producing sussy stuff there O.O

[hallow monolith]

does anyone know whats the bare minumum you have to produce to keep up with outpost? I'm at like 5 yanzhen 11 battery (consume 2) and i think im not able to clear out the stockade.

Do I need 5.5 yanzhen 11.5 battery to break even?

[nova lodge]

oh, might be a good zone to have the AIC produces those darn protohedron passively ;3

[hallow monolith]

i wonder if i have to do the battery meme of transferring over from valley IV every day...

[pulsar willow]

how much energy do you use

[hallow monolith]

4.3k

[pulsar willow]

I've made my factory run on 1 battery and it uses like 3.31K

do you have your turrets on everywhere?

[hallow monolith]

ive built too many ziplines and combat towers and other meme stuff

farming, etc

[vast iron]

combat can be powered by batteries

[pulsar willow]

I use my turrets only when I need them, and I have a little bit over 400 energy to power anything else I want to build

[vast iron]

Battery powered turrets last for literal years

[pulsar willow]

btw do you produce old yanzhen?

[vast iron]

since they only use when they attack

[hallow monolith]

no... i can't afford to remove liquid xiranite from th eline

unless that somehow doesnt impact production? idk

[pulsar willow]

what? How does it even touch liquid xiranite?

[hallow monolith]

oh... wait am i high

[pulsar willow]

if you produce cuprium/xiranite components and use 15 xiranite/min there then you free up enough ferrium to have enough of it for 2 whole lines

[hallow monolith]

wait it does take xiranite

why am i being gaslit

[vast iron]

what am i looking at…

[shrewd knoll]

its just sharing its crucible

for the xircon and medicine

[pulsar willow]

you use liquid xiranite in other thing

[vast iron]

hmm, interesting

[pulsar willow]

it's just the double recipe at the crucible

[hallow monolith]

i have a headache, don't want to calculat ehow much xiranite i need to pull off the battery line to be stable

[shrewd knoll]

it saves power but not great for modular builds

[outer basin]

Isn't it more profitable to make purple Wuling Batteries with Dense Powder Metatransfer so you're only using 1 Wuling battery?

[pulsar willow]

you can remove the xiranite, liquid storage and second liquid line

[vast iron]

i think power saving might be beating size constraints this patch

we have too much spare space

[shrewd knoll]

we have too much power too if you are doing 10.5 SC battery

since you can plugin 400 additional power from originium

[pulsar willow]

and not so much of factory limit (520 buildings)

[vast iron]

power

anyways heres one of my contributions

[pulsar willow]

?

[hallow monolith]

maybe i'll just rip my whole base out and replace it with kyostinv's megabase and forget about it

[vast iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1482930649282121748/1483506007576416338/image.png?ex=69bad622&is=69b984a2&hm=cc57138a214b9c5263cf2c00950e43d8582dbe1725281112c412be4c9b949ecf
power saving design

115 ferrium 120 cuprium design

saves a total of 1 shredder, 1 planter, 1 seeder and 1 crucible

[shrewd knoll]

you cant really use one farm to farm both plants if they are not running at 100% consistently, it just breaks

[pulsar willow]

it's like an alternating healing item design?

[shrewd knoll]

or at 50% consistently

[vast iron]

dw, we tested the farm design

It works

[vast iron]

yes

It uses 1 crucible to produce for both liquids

also has perfect mathed powder cycle to use 1 less crusher

[shrewd knoll]

it will work until your stash depot is full

thats the breaking point

[pulsar willow]

that's really cool and whimsical

[vast iron]

Yes, thats an issue, but its something we have to accept with this design sadly

[shrewd knoll]

because i used a 50% design before 1.1 and it worked great for 3/3 meds with no breaking

with no stash safeguard

[thorn pike]

fertilize yvonne

[vast iron]

depends how much meds youre making, with a perfect mathed production/consumption its fine

but the 50/50 plant production gets fucked if it clogs. EVER

so we prevent it from clogging (albeit mid solution) with stash

[shrewd knoll]

would be great if treatment can get rid of any liquid

[vast iron]

TRUE

give me a item treatment too please

[outer basin]

Imagine if we could burn plants and add water to turn it into sewage for overflow disposal.

[pulsar willow]

why would we

[vast iron]

they need to add a way to get rid of items

[outer basin]

Gotta get rid of those ugly red circles

[vast iron]

there is no way to get rid of items rn

,ike

like

why???

[outer basin]

Take them out of the depot and then throw them on the ground.

[pulsar willow]

makes sense

[shrewd knoll]

i mean you can technically burn the plants and then send it to your xiranite line with priority belt if you really wanted a safeguard

since carbon has multiple stages you can store it at

[vast iron]

sorry, i have life

[earnest steeple]

Just Destory them? I do it all the time. Unless you mean automatically, but 58k or 80k at a time is pretty efficient.

[vast iron]

ive only seen priority outputs not inputs? How

[vast iron]

i need smt auto to destroy extras so they dont clog my thing

blueprint issue

[outer basin]

Make an army of non-transmitting Protocol Stashes and then delete them when they get full.

[shrewd knoll]

converger prioritize side belts first

so just use it to block the output of another source

[vast iron]

ive been too focused making it for outputs never tried inputs loll

[shrewd knoll]

while inserting your "priority line"

since input and output are kind of the same thing when protocol stash exist

[vast iron]

wym

[shrewd knoll]

you run a normal line through a protocol stash and then converger at output, then put your "priority belt" on the side of that converger

thats how you prioritize input

since they will be the same item

[vast iron]

oh i thought you meant another way

lol

[shrewd knoll]

its essentially the same, its just how you approach it

[vast iron]

the converger way works but its weird asf to use and a bit bulky but does the work

[subtle finch]

improved my crucible setup a bit, now also producing yazhen solution at the same time

[slate plume]

guys anybody got a reliable setup for xiranite liquid and sewage bottleneck? like i dont want my factory to fluctuate from 10 - 12 / min please.

[real crescent]

why is it fluctuating?

[slate plume]

after a while the sewage builds up

[shrewd knoll]

just make it so that it can never happen

dont use the conduit since thats kinda bugged offline

use the most direct inputs

[slate plume]

im using it like this

[vast iron]

i love how theres conduit haters, conduit worshippers and loop haters

the design for this is so… seperate

[rugged island]

Why didn't they make it fit...

[shrewd knoll]

the loop is great, when your xircon storage max and it regulates itself at 75%

since you are only supplying one crucible directly, the by product will never overflow

[vast iron]

your cuprium clearly isnt max eff.

[rugged island]

Wow this is really clean I just jam stuff on the edges and then the middle is this mess

[vast iron]

thats my view of it too, tho some see it as the opposite and idk why

[slate plume]

im just gonna copy the build from the vid now ig

[rugged island]

What loop?

[shrewd knoll]

yea there seems to be a lot of resistance to it for some people's logic

they say its fine, yea its fine until you are doing less than max efficiency

[vast iron]

the technical community is divided…

[rugged island]

Are you guys talking about refeeding the crucibles with the sewage from xircon?

[subtle finch]

im refeeding and I have no issue so far

[smoky eagle]

Aren't conduits better?

[sick basin]

Conduits are just wifi pipes

[smoky eagle]

I plan to use it on a massive overhaul when i get back on pc

[sick basin]

They honestly dont make a difference

[smoky eagle]

Yeah Wi-Fi pipes

[viscid plover]

shocker no one take low amount delivery

[sick basin]

Pipes are lowkey better

[smoky eagle]

2 of them!

Pipes are?

Mmmm

Nyaa

[sick basin]

Cuz u dont have to manually go and reconnect the conduits every fucking pixel u move the thing

:realmad:

[smoky eagle]

Oh i see

Good reason lol

[sick basin]

With pippes, u just add 1 more tile of a pipe and done

Conduits? U gotta personaly go to one, start connection, and go to the wanted 2nd one

Every single time u move it

Istg if they dont make the connection stay after moving, or letting us connect in top-down view in 1.2

[muted mica]

is there a guide on how to make power saving?

[sick basin]

Just search up d.i.g.e

Select the targeted power youre using, what kinda power source u want, and replicate the given blueprint

[muted mica]

thx i will check it out

[shrewd knoll]

yea too much reconnecting if you are working on something, they need to keep those conduits connected when moved within range

they also tend to build up when offline so unless you don't mind it clogging, like water, then thats fine

[nocturne forge]

is this all good?

[viral wharf]

I think people post them just for them to expire for a bit of extra quick cash

[gritty skiff]

Y'all hear me out

Xiranite conduit

Works like xira pylon/relay

[severe grove]

bruh I just logged in and found my SC Wuling factory clogged, turns out I maxed out Cuprium loaded into my AIC.

[sick basin]

Randomly connects to any nearby one

Awful

[severe grove]

85 intellect moment for me.

[gritty skiff]

Dang your SC already maxed?

[severe grove]

No I mean it stopped producing SC Wuling batteries just because the Cuprium supply got full. (I'm refining Cuprium for the Sewage needed to create Xircon Effluent)

[sick basin]

Time to switch to syrA

[severe grove]

Got two of these running so far.

I know it's far from compact and perfect, but I wanted to understand how the mechanics work rather than looking up blueprints.

No wonder it's clogging.

[gritty skiff]

Tried making components?

[severe grove]

Working on it right now.

I need to make a 3rd Xiranite factory too.

[gritty skiff]

Try making components then use the sewage for zirc

[severe grove]

It's draining my Xiranite supply faster than what 2 Forges of the Sky can create.

[gritty skiff]

Better make 4 forges

[severe grove]

[gritty skiff]

Also once your components are full you can jus delete the component production then store the part production if you want to keep going since parts can be sold

[trail mirage]

factoryy

[jolly shore]

Does the outpost accept jincao tea or only Yahzen A? I'm guessing it appears on the list after you craft some?

[trail mirage]

lv 3 outpost

[severe grove]

omg why haven't I thought about selling parts? Thanks!

[jolly shore]

have it, just noticed the purple tier jincao wasn't on the list

[gritty skiff]

[gritty skiff]

Maybe in the next update cuz I don't think wuling is done

[iron stratus]

yeah still no hc battery

[gritty skiff]

Just produce them in v4

[jolly shore]

seems like a weird omission since we have both C tier yahzen and jincao but only A tier yahzen

[gritty skiff]

Well assuming we get another sub pac

[jolly shore]

yeah, I made some just in case, and nothing appears. jincao btfo I guess

[hexed nebula]

Wuling is 1000% not done

[jolly shore]

well, if I start to cap on yaz A I guess I can start making some jincao tea

[severe grove]

I think I might have overcompensated a bit with my Cuprium production only being 120/min lol

[uneven aspen]

is this doable? crucible making liquid xiranite.

Have sewage enter the unused pipe and exit the other unused?

[trail mirage]

YE

but you wanna have 1 unit/s so theres excess to go to the next

[gritty skiff]

Yea wee need more cuprium nodes

[gritty skiff]

Yea could act as a bridge

[uneven aspen]

just tested it can move 2/s because pipes move 2/s

[severe grove]

I'll also create a Yazhen Syringe [A] factory so that my Cuprium Parts won't also cap and cause the same problem.

[tulip portal]

I log off when my factory seems to be humming along the I get back and I have only 200 energy 🙁

[viral wharf]

Belts apparently run slower when you go offline, so if you have really precise ratios, you might want to be careful.

[severe grove]

Wait really?

The x/min is not accurate when offline?

[stoic coyote]

You must saturate your belts when online

[rugged island]

if we have 120 sewage per minute from coprium why is there any need to loop the xircon sewage? Now that I think about it

[nova lodge]

oh...they sped up dung collection too, now i can speed pat multiple cows at once

[viral wharf]

If you loop it, it makes it rely on 1 less Cuprium line.

Not really necessary to do though

[rugged island]

yea but why does that matter the cuprium line will allways be running in theory

[viral wharf]

It'll probably be important in the future

When we need more than 4/s Sewage.

[dry junco]

is there a way to consistently get sewage outside of producing cuprium parts

[iron stratus]

can make the whole cuprium-xircon line smaller since from my experience there's a lot more space within the xircon boundaries to put water treatment facilities than with the refineries

[rugged island]

tbf I'm just starting the line rn

for xirconium and cuprium but yea

[lusty violet]

nope

[tulip portal]

This game might be too brainy for me loo

Lol

[severe grove]

Cuprium sewage is tasty sewage.

[nova lodge]

its also pink in colour too, very gud ;3

[severe grove]

[rugged island]

Wait pipes can take 60 a min right?

wait no 120 right

[nova lodge]

can we run it by the second instead
and yes, 120 units per min.

there is some storage volume capacity within the pipe itself though.

[rugged island]

per min is more usefull though

[nova lodge]

not really....

[rugged island]

was just wonderin is this was realistic

[rugged island]

How so?

Its standadized much better

[rare moon]

2/sec=120/min

[rugged island]

Also the AIC repor is per min

why would we talk about decimas in per second

[rugged island]

(ye thanks)

[trail mirage]

wait why didnt i think that that 🤔

[marble yarrow]

belts also have storage, 1 storage/square

[rare moon]

Its easy to read smaller numbers honestly. 2/sec means we can run 2 pumps on 1 pipe

[rugged island]

debating separating it into 2 for convencience but whatever

[rugged island]

yea but as soon as you need to talk about anything else it becomes a mess

[trail mirage]

i couldve saved 1 line iof space

[marble yarrow]

real

[rare moon]

Guess you can read min if you want to easily match the common unit for factory

[rugged island]

Well its just weird to make maths with 0.5 item/s

and then go oh this one is 1.5 and this one is 1 and it outputs 0.1

[rare moon]

May be weird but math is math. Its still equivalent

[nova lodge]

i need 120 water unit / min for xiranite production.

(someone is gonna need to start dividing it down before figuring it out that is just means 2 pump later).

[rugged island]

Theres a reason SI units exist

[iron stratus]

i have a pipe splitter with one output right next to a pipe converger but i dont want them to connect so is there any way to stop this or do i just have to make it look bad

[rugged island]

but yea use whatever you prefer

[nova lodge]

make it look bad, that's it

there is no port blocking option yet.

[rugged island]

2 pumps no?

[nova lodge]

updated.

[rugged island]

each pump is 60

[nova lodge]

welp, just done all the content, will work on AIC stuff in a bit.

[rugged island]

But like yea you get the point standardized units are per min even the AIC uses per min but I'm not gonna lord that over anyone lol.

I'm also biased from factorio and satisfactory and doing everything per min

[iron stratus]

why do people always seem to forget 2 pumps only need 1 pipe

[rugged island]

because 1 miner needs 1 belt and they just make the conection

[nova lodge]

convenience.
1 pump - 1 pipe donezo.

you can do 2 pump, 1 pipe, 4 facility, and there might be issues happening until you let the pipe fill up a bit.
(server delay)

[iron stratus]

i hate so much that the jingyu outpost doesnt have 6 water pump spots

it means we can never actually put 6 xiranite lines in there when you easily can fit 6 in the 50x50 area

[nova lodge]

water pump? i fit 8 at the outpost though?

[iron stratus]

wait i never saw that

[nova lodge]

just need to squeeze in pumps at sussy corners :3

if its still not enough, put them outside the outpost and draw the water in using conduit inlets :3

[iron stratus]

i cant reach there in top view

[pulsar willow]

Man 520 structure limit hit me like a truck at 2AM

[iron stratus]

sad

i hate going out of top view

what's the sandleaf lore

[pulsar willow]

Sandpaper plant

[severe grove]

It's coarse, and gets everywhere.

[nova lodge]

i really need to start moving the pumps out of the outpost though....
they added outpost protocol capacity limit....and its REALLY ANNOYING me. (50 only)

[pulsar willow]

What is that?

[severe grove]

Mt. Dew by Endfield Industries.

[nova lodge]

outpost havev their own protocol limit now....separated from the wider map area.

outside area.

[viscid plover]

has been since 1.0

[quick axle]

yo can someone show me their maxed out origium ore yeild in the aic report for wuling? i feel like im missing an ore vein

[pulsar willow]

Ah. What are you doing at your outpost that requires so many things?

[nova lodge]

i remember there wasn't one though....or maybe i just never paid attention to it since it was a none-issue.
untill PUMPs start taking additional space that is.

[pulsar willow]

Should be 480

[bright zodiac]

480 ori yield on wuling

[quick axle]

im genuinely tweaking rn

im trying to find which one is unpowered

[rare moon]

Level up your development

[quick axle]

but all the ore veins look like theyre working and im max level

[nova lodge]

pump pumps pumps and more pumps
also, i am too lazy to remove the attack towers before clearing stage 4 for outpost.

[pulsar willow]

Check the maps in the top left corner