aic-factory

[mighty yacht]

its not like i need a steady supply anyways, i can just stop production to shift when i need it

theres no reason to automate parts or components

24/7

[vast iron]

youll want 1 line running at 3/4 so 1.5 lines of REGULAR originium going into the grinding unit

[shrewd knoll]

thats the point, "shift production" is something you have to do, with my build, i dont have to shift production

it does it by itself

thats what a factory game is

[mighty yacht]

well we both have different opinions for sure, but i was only wondering why you didnt run a second line, nothing more

[small creek]

shifting production is cool 🤷

[trail mirage]

yea but you only need to do it once per patch

[small creek]

i have the option to do 1.5 or 0.75 comps with just item control port

[vast iron]

shift production is pretty easy with priority splitters, tho i havent tested priority splitters for fluids yet

[charred lodge]

#1482530064620064870 message
Could someone be kind as to explain why it doesnt work
ngl this whole like 5 new fluids thing is messing with my brain

[vast iron]

the only 1->more than 1 fluid unit is reactor crucible and its footprint is...

[charred lodge]

do i have to bring in sewage from a different facility?

[trail mirage]

where sewage

[charred lodge]

so i have to make a cuprium part farm to make sewage and put that into the outlet?
also what is the inlet supposed to connect to

[trail mirage]

ye

[shrewd knoll]

its not a comprehensive blueprint, you have to connect the right liquids from outside

[vast iron]

connect sewage to inlet

[small creek]

i also have option to switch from 10.5 to 12 SC batt

with just item control port, again

[charred lodge]

so sewage comes from outside to the outlet and then back into the inlet? to where

[small creek]

and well turning on a few facilities

[shrewd knoll]

probably find another blueprint if you dont understand it, its not a very good blueprint either

[trail mirage]

wait that hella smart to use the reactor as a belt

[small creek]

holy shit i just realized i can put another control port somewhere

to switch between 5.25 and 6 yazhenA

[sonic summit]

wait grinding ? i though its packaging for battery?

[small creek]

control port goated

[charred lodge]

whats a beginner friendly one that i can probably understand

this one just has no guideline on the inlet/outlet so im entirely confused

[vast iron]

for the dense dust

ur not sending originium immediately into the packaging lol

[shrewd knoll]

its better to not do it in a single blueprint, just find the blueprint that makes the parts you need

[charred lodge]

i just want SC batts 😭

the jump between LC and this is diabolical

i feel like its either sewage implosion or complicated to hell and back

[solid python]

25/min Packed Origicrust

[shrewd knoll]

all you really need is xircon blueprint and then make a simple originium cube blueprint

then push them into a packaging

its not as advanced as it seems

[small creek]

remove the prot stash bro..

thinks its part of the team

[charred lodge]

and i need 4x the originium cube prod to xircon?

[solid python]

That's in case I max out

[shrewd knoll]

yea

[shrewd knoll]

EFO01a709917oOAe8oe5e for xircon if you are US/EU

you just need to plug in the water

everything else is included

[charred lodge]

does it need external sewage?

[shrewd knoll]

nope

just cuprium

it will produce 30 cuprium as byproduct

[mighty yacht]

you could try this design if you'd like, and then just replace the xircon depot with the factory instead

[solid python]

Oh, that reminds me, I haven't purchased all the depots

[charred lodge]

do i need a specific amt of water pumps?

[shrewd knoll]

2 pumps worth

its 1.5

[charred lodge]

alr thats what i was doing standard so thats nice

[sonic summit]

Soo 1 full crushed ori line with another half capacity crushed ori going into grinding ? Is the calculation only for 1,5 lc batteries?

[shrewd knoll]

so merge before putting into conduit

[vast iron]

yes

[charred lodge]

so i just need to produce 120/min originium cube

[shrewd knoll]

yea, just do that somewhere else

then add the packaging and then xircon from a depot

and you are done

[sonic summit]

Soo if i want to share it with gearing i just do 1 full line packed originium with the result divided to 3/4 going into lc batteries will do same results

[vast iron]

yes

its just easier to calculate 1/2 i felt

[sonic summit]

Lol that is my early plans its more easily dividing grinding output to 4 cus it got 5 output lines

[sacred gyro]

yo guys how do you get good sewage production stream for xircon?

[brazen seal]

how fast can water treatment treat effluents

[crimson inlet]

Engenir

[brazen seal]

like do i need 2 for 2 effluent pipes

[vast iron]

1 treatment plant handles 1 cuprium refinery

[vast iron]

yes

we suffer.

[mighty yacht]

i never thought to think that i could build pipes over the buses.....

[brazen seal]

man

[sonic summit]

1 full output for 1 treatment it's same with either sewage or effluent but you can use 1 pipe to get 4 worth of waste into 1 to save piping space( you do spit it back to 4 btw )

[brazen seal]

i mean no reason tto cus underground pipes

[vast iron]

underground pipe 3x3 footprint:

[mighty yacht]

well if its for a close connection im not gonna waste 2 3x3 plots for the outlets XD

[crimson inlet]

majority of my pipes are built over busses or at the edge

[merry wagon]

the underground pipes do make my blueprints look neater tho

[sinful moon]

can electric mining rig mk2 mine copium?

[mighty yacht]

ive only built on the edges, but i guess ive also never had a reason to go over the busses too

[merry wagon]

no

[pulsar cypress]

This one inlet always getting on my nerve everytime entering pac..

[winged oriole]

Embrace the aboveground pipe web

[sacred gyro]

nah, only hydro mining rig

[sinful moon]

ty

[mighty yacht]

i use those for water supply

[crimson inlet]

also my water treatment unit is outside the AIC

so, I saved space by actually following the tutorial on water treatment units

[pulsar cypress]

Change all in wuling to hydro, it use far less energy consumption..
Save batteries..

[crimson inlet]

hydro drills + dige

[sinful moon]

gotcha

[crimson inlet]

• use less protocol stashes

[mighty yacht]

i like to keep all the factory things inside the zone if possible, it feels neater to me

[brazen seal]

u can only have 2 batteries at once right with gearing and yazhen setup

[crimson inlet]

I like to be a capitalist, having the sewage near a city center

[shrewd knoll]

everybody doing their sewage treatment right outside da pan's diner

[neon path]

can this get you to 1 SC thermal bank?

[digital notch]

how to save more battery usage for thermal banks? idk how to set that up

[pulsar cypress]

Im at 3.2-3.3k energy consumption rn.. °-°)b

[crimson inlet]

go to a website called DIGE CN

[mighty yacht]

idk, but dont mines only equal like 500 of the power consump max?

[digital notch]

i don't do math wth

[neon path]

yeah i have too many random things running for no reason, so i'll just waste a SC battery to run 2 thermal banks

[pulsar cypress]

Whats ur current power consumption number?

[mighty yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/disgusting-disgusted-what-what-the-hell-what-the-heck-gif-17896281479800013662

[neon path]

4.2k lol

[mighty yacht]

if i wanted to become an electrician id be in trade school

[pulsar cypress]

Oh.. Swapping to hydro wont reach 1 bat value ig.. Lmao..
But with dige can help save a bit of battery probably..

[last grotto]

finally managed to get all the liquids into one crucible

[crimson inlet]

• Target Power for how much you are willing to produce power per second (Thermal bank's fuel + AIC = n + 200w).
• Minimum Bat % {the lowest % of electricity stored in your AIC (AIC stores about 100,000J but still same as w) }
  -# updated explanation

[neon path]

thx i won't bother min-maxing that much, i want to do yahzen/jincao split and i'm keeping my component buildings around

[pulsar cypress]

Just type ur power consumption (maybe + a bit for spare incase needed to places some extra stuffs)

Then scroll down, generate blueprint.
It will show u the blueprint.

Just ignore the rest..

[digital notch]

so it just calculates, but not give me a blueprint to setup my thermal banks?

[digital notch]

oh

[hollow egret]

This yield looking decent or is there anywhere to improve?

[winged oriole]

Why's your Xiranite dipping

[crimson inlet]

it does, but your have to built it yourself

[hollow egret]

[crimson inlet]

rather than copy-pasting

it shows you the 5-6 best blueprints through calculation

[digital notch]

this site hates SCW batts for some reason

[uneven aspen]

xiranite lacking enough water?

[kindred raptor]

How to be productive and probably go sanity less:
Rebuild your entire factory using self made blueprint. I did that in wuling it might take a good few days

[crimson inlet]

you're probably either outproducing or less-producing with the stuff you added

change some stuff like fuel, minimum bat and waste

[pulsar cypress]

Wait for a while..
If ur current xyranite usage still > yield then u will run out of it..

[crimson inlet]

• Waste refers to excess energy produced, sorta like a clearance incase your target power is lower

[digital notch]

no, the second i change LC to SC ts breaks

[mighty yacht]

change max waste to like 300 and min batt to 40% it should calc

[crimson inlet]

oh, what's your current power consumption in-game?

[digital notch]

4.27

[crimson inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/mildy-concerned-cat-gif-9804173213252285471

[hollow egret]

It was just the timing on my buckflower being wacky. All good now 👍

[crimson inlet]

yeah, make your target power at 4.3kw (4,300w) and set your excess to 50-300w

min bat is either 5% or above, no less

[tight bloom]

Hey, on the topic of power, I just made a tool to calculate the optimal battery feed rate

[digital notch]

is R depot loaders or smth?

[crimson inlet]

yeah

[pulsar cypress]

L is leaving the depot
R is returned to depot

[crimson inlet]

also, don't immediately transition to a DIGE blueprint

build it first and run it for at least 2 mins

[mighty yacht]

so this is meant to leverage the 100k reserve by nearly depleting and recharging to extend a batteries life?

[crimson inlet]

then remove your current setup after 2 mins @digital notch

[digital notch]

bruh

[crimson inlet]

yeah, we make do to add another converger dude

[digital notch]

will this even work

[pulsar cypress]

Kinda like switch on off for the 2nd thermal..
When off, battery drop to certain%.
When on, it resupply again to back at 100%.
So not always 2 battery consumption. Save some.

[mighty yacht]

so i should have one always feeding and then one of those contraptions?

[crimson inlet]

yeah, Pulse Modulation Width or Powerload Balancing

kinda like how we charge our phones

[sonic summit]

hey about your cup syringe input, can this works?

[crimson inlet]

yeah, it reduces the likelihood of a total blackout

the beauty...

[pulsar cypress]

Depending on the calculation..
Sometimes 2 with contraptions than 1 full 1 with it..
For maximum reach of that value.
Like in my v4, its better with 2 contraptions..

[small creek]

what u tryna achieve here

[digital notch]

deadge

[crimson inlet]

did you transition immediately

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-hiromi-higuruma-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-meme-jjk-memes-gif-10370496866020481076

[sonic summit]

trying your production lines

[digital notch]

no

i left it for 3 mins

[crimson inlet]

ok, just wait till it goes to a certain percentage

[small creek]

my production line specifically makes 5.25 syringe

the splitters are very specifically tuned for that

[wicked rune]

where do i put the sewage in?

[pulsar cypress]

The two should still on..

[sonic summit]

yeah my screen shot output is to make 5,25 syringe

[crimson inlet]

observe for like half an hour or less til you're comfortable with the system

[digital notch]

so i end up using 3 thermal banks insstead?

[mighty yacht]

my calc says one always on and then one shifting

[crimson inlet]

and you see a obvious pattern with the battery stored

[small creek]

splitter converger together has some issues

putting converger right after an output is also a provlem

[mighty yacht]

you should only need 2 max for sc batts

at 4k power

[small creek]

like the refiner will never put anything in the splitter

[pulsar cypress]

Keep the two thermal on for like 2 minutes..
Then delete one of the thermal.
So 1 normal thermal and 1 contraption thermal is ON.

The 2 thermal on at beginning to let the contraption one flowing well first..

[crimson inlet]

putting conveyors is also a problem since some has said that it simplified the time it takes...

[mighty yacht]

use it to make xircon or in the water treatment plant building

[warm sedge]

Nioce

[wicked rune]

can i just store it somewhere for now?

[digital notch]

madness

[small creek]

@sonic summit also the 3rd refiner will clog

[mighty yacht]

you could but its not really worth since its basically an infinite source

[pulsar cypress]

Wrong.. XD

[crimson inlet]

wait, share the pic of the given blueprint in the website

how many secs does it give in the chart per oscillation?

[pulsar cypress]

Let all this 3 on for 2 minutes

[pulsar cypress]

Then delete this one after 2 mins, let the other two working..

[sonic summit]

how about now?

[mighty yacht]

[small creek]

30-7.5-47.5

[sonic summit]

wait wrong one

[small creek]

the fitting unit has too little, moulding too much

[crimson inlet]

press the export button

[small creek]

try to get 30-22.5-52.5

[crimson inlet]

kinda like this

[pulsar cypress]

The contraption work, its just he turn off all the other thermal and just let contraption one work alone..

[crimson inlet]

oh, ok

[fathom maple]

Could you please explain to me like Im 12 whats its useful for?

[crimson inlet]

so they actually transitioned immediately...

[digital notch]

i want neither

[pulsar cypress]

Let say ur consumption is 3.5k.
1 battery is 3.4k, if using 2 thermal u waste 3.3k for the second thermal by placing normally.

With contraption, it let only 1 thermal on and the other one off..
The -0.1k will be covered by pac reserve.
Then once in a while, the 2nd one will on and resupply the pac reserve. Return it to 100%.

*more or less

[steel shell]

those that have hydro rig these mining areas, where do u get the water source

[crimson inlet]

Bro, you're going to have a constant thermal with 1 oscillating

its in the calculation

ss the whole screen of DIGE

[pulsar cypress]

Ur energy will died..

[mighty yacht]

so i just wait till its like 30% now?

[fathom maple]

Thanks but how do you end up with this, whats the calculations behind it?

[civic yacht]

does anyone hav the energy calculator site?

[sonic summit]

like this ?

[pulsar cypress]

3.2 + 1.7 = 4.9 battery supply

[pulsar cypress]

This will be 1.77 + 1.77 = ~3.5k only..
Ur factory will died..

[small creek]

almost, u still need to split the 2nd refiner

[inland perch]

how're you guys powerin ur wulin aic
ik one sc batt charges 3200 but i need 600 or so more
i could prolly save some power by switchin to hydro rigs but wut else maybe power thermal banks with smth cheap?

[small creek]

7.5 go into fitting unit, other go into moulding

[sonic summit]

the 2 output already do the a split though?

[lunar abyss]

anyone ever got this error?

[small creek]

also splitter and converger next to each other has bug

[mighty yacht]

too many buildings in your zone

[shrewd knoll]

its not an error

[lunar abyss]

they never told me there was a hidden facility limit even aside protocol capacity

[shrewd knoll]

its a restriction

[small creek]

only the output from 3rd refiner is split

[pulsar cypress]

Ur consumption is about 3.8k?
3.2k thermal, 0.2k pac.. Lack 0.4k
Maybe switching all to hydro will be enough..
If not, use dige thermal contraption.

[mighty yacht]

so i can just leave this be since its working right?

[small creek]

2nd only has input split

[crimson inlet]

These are the ones I know, idk about how it all gets calculated.

• You account for time the battery produces energy ≈ (N)(40s) = x
• Time it takes for the splitters to reach the thermal bank (can't explain because it depends on how many a splitter is connected to, probably divided by 2 per split, I'm not good in advance arithmetic).
• the total stored electricity when compared to time produced ≈ (N)(t) = 100,000

[sonic summit]

like this then ?

[small creek]

thats good spacing

now split the 2nd refiner

[inland perch]

wut contraption is that

[small creek]

wait

i may be misunderstanding

[pulsar cypress]

Yass.. Just keep a watch for a bit..
Leave it for like 5-10 mins..
If ur factory still working fine, then its all good to go..

[small creek]

nvm this is perfect

dont mind me lmao

you did it

30-22.5-52.5

[sonic summit]

? i though you need 22,5

[fathom maple]

I'll just admit I'm too small brained to understand, thanks anyway!

[small creek]

yes yes im just confused

[uneven aspen]

ditched the using 3 HC valley battery + 2-3 SC valley battery idea.

Was going to have to lose 600 power in both regions to make it work.

1 SC wuling battery and 1.5 HC valley now 😔

now I think im done with the aic until next update.

[sonic summit]

woho

[hallow summit]

Will this works?

[small creek]

congrats on 5.25 yazhenA 👍

[lunar abyss]

you can use backfeeders to get 3800 effective power output without using an entire battery

if you use sc battery with this circuit you will get 3965 effective capacity

[uneven aspen]

the unused yields can go to do nothing.

[lunar abyss]

EFO01Ue36i2U97OoO71a8 here's the code

[mighty yacht]

why make both valley batteries?

[pulsar cypress]

Like this, go to website DIGE CN to generate the pattern.

[uneven aspen]

instead of syringe C, you have excess ferrium and originium to make SC valley batteries.

also surplus of 3.5 HC valley batteries.

so wanted to see if that would be enough

[lunar abyss]

this uses one battery every 216 seconds, so with your PAC reserve capacity you can use upto 3965 power without ever running out of power

[uneven aspen]

unfortunately not enough needed to powerdown a lot of ziplines and towers, in wuling and valley to save on power . . . not worth

[mighty yacht]

i think you're missing some yeild then? because im at 560rn, unless its doing that thing where it tries to match yeild to usage

[digital notch]

i don't want any fixed thermals

[uneven aspen]

my screenshot is wulin AIC report, valley is 560

[mighty yacht]

this is my valley resources

[mighty yacht]

ahhh

nvm

[sonic summit]

hey instead of 3rd refining half input going into depot loader can i just make it so it make so that the half go into depot ? to use in gearing ?

[mighty yacht]

in wuling i think you can max oregano use with 2 sc wuling lines

[inland perch]

so it gave me this how do i use it

[pulsar cypress]

Then ur DIGE pattern is wrong.
The total energy number u want divided by two.

Generate the pattern.
Then make 2 of it.

That will be ur pattern for both.

[uneven aspen]

yeah but if you make xiranite gear or cuprium gear it will eat into the xiranite usage between it and SC wuling

so you will use less originium in that SC wuling battery line

i have it running at 66%

[paper magnet]

neat

it fits within 2 depot spaces

[pulsar cypress]

L is leaving depot (supply)
R is returned to depot (d loader)
T is thermal bank.
Make one of it and 1 normal thermal.

[dull island]

for the making of the new batteries how do you make it so you make enuf sewage for the Xircon Effluent but also dont make too much sewage as to stop making Copium Ore

[pulsar cypress]

Let 2 normal thermal + that contraption on first to let the contraption flow stable.
After 2 mins, stash 1 of the normal thermal.

[shrewd knoll]

you loop the xircon sewage to a crucible so you have around 75% max production to move around with

if your xiranite feed drops

[pulsar cypress]

2 battery production can be supplied by 1 syringe A sewage production.
Results in 12 bat/mins + 6 syringe A/mins without any excess sewage.

^and yess.. Loop the xircon sewage to reuse it..

[crimson inlet]

I like how you only need 2 water treatment units for sewage when you build 2 battery lines (includes the xircon fluent)

[dull island]

syringe A doesnt make sewage no?

[crimson inlet]

syringe A uses sewage? 💀

[small creek]

idk i hate stash

[lusty violet]

sewage is a byproduct of syringe A

[small creek]

waste of 5 power and 3x3 space

[uneven aspen]

1 cupirum refinery's sewage linked to 1 reactor crucible.

then feedback the reactor crucible making xircon to the other reactor.

Here in the screenshot I have a fluid tank connect to add in extra sewage for a bit of wiggle room then remove it, since it should feed itself.

[digital notch]

there

[dull island]

so im meant to be looping the Inert Xircon Effluent back into the a crucible?

[mighty yacht]

if you use 4 cuprium refining lines for 120/min you could use 2 of those + 2 xir to make the xircon for one batt line, and then use the other 2 cup and xir for the gearing, you would have slower gearing rates but then you would also be able to do a hc battery line with regional transfer ferrium

[shrewd knoll]

the second crucible only works if enough material starts moving, so it limits the amount of sewage you consume while always consuming at least 30 per second worth

[small creek]

@sonic summit also this is my 1.5 red comp if you like https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463037619091800227/1482377193676865667/image.png?ex=69b76398&is=69b61218&hm=422caaa7c725d59de5be4038acbe8b6042893bed8326b6cc80f88077e4950dcc&

[shrewd knoll]

and keeping the cuprium moving

[uneven aspen]

uh dont think that's enough im following the 2-component idea from here except my syringe is using 60 ferrium instead of 65 cause lazy

[dull island]

ok so what here am i meant to change this is my setup for da batteries waht do i le change to make sewage not be le cringe

[small creek]

the xiranite is split between cuprium and xiranite comp with ctrl port just in case i want to make 0.75 xiranite comp

but for now i just make 1.5 cuprium

[shrewd knoll]

that doesnt work because you are feeding sewage from cuprium directly into both

[dull island]

tis why im asking what im meant to change

[shrewd knoll]

so you want the xircon sewage to feed back into a crucible

[pulsar cypress]

This goes to battery production.
The one in right corner.

[shrewd knoll]

and remove the one from the cuprium

[upper fiber]

man the blueprint channel so dead, so little bp to choose

[dull island]

I have what ever the f this is meant to be

[sonic summit]

oh i want to make half xiranite half cup gear because i got 10 k each

[small creek]

perhaps you want to split then

the image is left cuprium right xiranite

[mighty briar]

My setup for the mining rig
is this good?

[dull island]

so i take the sewage from the third ore one thats just used to make my copium for the syringes and split feed that into the ones for the batteries?

[small creek]

it works i guess

can rotate the mining rigs so the pipe goes more straight

[hoary crag]

yup, one pump can feed 3 high purity rigs

[mighty briar]

Yipee

[mighty briar]

It looks like a trident.

[pulsar cypress]

We are in different production, i make 12/mins batt so all sewage goes to supply battery..
In your case, i think yass.. You split em.
Not sure..

[dull island]

man imma just fuck it we ball surely 6/8 3 of each comp is good enuf

[hushed blaze]

The most unstable battery power produce/usage

[merry wagon]

is that the himalayas

[bright nimbus]

[dull island]

also how do you loop Inert Xircon does it actually have a use?

[fluid fog]

nothing will change even you do loop

[paper magnet]

inert xircon gets dissapeared into nothingness

[fluid fog]

you still need to manufacture cuprium

for Yazhen A

[paper magnet]

you can dump it into the 40k pool i guess

[dull island]

i mean i am doing that

[hushed blaze]

You can't.

[paper magnet]

[hushed blaze]

Its like sewage

[fluid fog]

I wish we can, but you can't discharge into world

[paper magnet]

wtf hypergryph

eol now

shit game

[dull island]

the sewage for the syringes is just going into the void

[paper magnet]

uninstalling

[fluid fog]

but you can put it into bottle though, yet spray will not use it.

[paper magnet]

wdym i cant larp as an outer world colonist hell bent on ruining local environment

[shrewd knoll]

4 of 10 players uninstalled because they could not dump sewage into their 40k hole

[dull island]

where am i meant to be putting the sewage for the cuprium used for syringes

ami just meant to split it into 4 for the batteries

[mighty yacht]

i forgot you need 2 lines of origcrust, so then yea you cant do the line of hc

[paper magnet]

i did that and it clogged like hell

[pulsar cypress]

U can just deleted it with water treatment plant.
If it doesn't have any use.

[paper magnet]

you can brute force it if you dont want to use your brain

you have 4 lines of curprium, 2 goes to reactos, the other 2 can just get deleted

[bright nimbus]

Yeah you can use them for batteries. But gotta make sure 2/2s sewage running for each battery production line

[dull island]

yeah i can brute force but like

is there no way to up the battery amount for this

[atomic fiber]

wow interesting
here i am doing 2.4/min component

[distant bear]

[dull island]

the batteries jump from 8/9 cuz sewage low

[fluid fog]

I stop making xiranite component for like 40k mark, you will not even use it up all since still gated for Bills mats.

[distant bear]

Oh right I need to update my fac

Waaah

[merry wagon]

is sewage not at a surplus

[fluid fog]

drain all sewage 1st then make buffer storage so they can't get clogged.

[pulsar cypress]

In this case, i think 1 batt plant use 2 sewage for 6/min batt. So one reuse + 1 from syringe waste?

The other plant simply can use the reuse sewage to make it work?
Im not sure the building pattern for 3/mins one.

[dull island]

not for my goofy ass

[merry wagon]

cos iirc the battery lines also provide 0.5u/s of sewage

[distant bear]

Yeah

But looping it takes effort

[dull island]

imma just

split the sewage from the syringes into 4 going into all the reactors for the batteries

and see what happens

[mighty yacht]

do you have 4 lines of copium refining?

[dull island]

i have this

[thick otter]

My stupidity is upgrading my base without leveling my outpost to lvl 3 first...

[crude nebula]

you can't have it

[covert burrow]

didnt they increase the zoom? how do i zoom out more

[crude nebula]

yes it's part of the patch

[bright nimbus]

You sure it’s not xiranite that lower production?

[crude nebula]

it's already width enough i think

[merry wagon]

I think you don't have to split the sewage into treatment plants yet, give it all to the reactor

[atomic fiber]

if you do 3/min cuprium gear comp you won't have enough item to sell to outpace the lv3 outpost btw

[inland perch]

idk how to read this but this is efficient or nah

[merry wagon]

the surplus sewage is only 1 u/s, which is 2 treatment plants worth

[mighty yacht]

why are you splitting your sweage into treatment plants?

[atomic fiber]

you can adjust it on the setting. i think the default is 50. i don't recommend you to go too much near 0, as your factory might go down

[distant bear]

[dull island]

if i dont i have too much sewage

if i do i dont have enuf

[atomic fiber]

you need to calculate it right

[distant bear]

Youre short on cuprium anyway

[merry wagon]

no need tbh, one refiner produces 0.5 u/s of sewage, and a reactor takes 0.5 too

[inland perch]

soooo basically as long as the yellow circle isn't depleted to 0 all my stuff is powered on right

[mighty yacht]

then that means your liquid xiranite is not enough

if you're making xircon the ratio should be 1:1

[dull island]

well yeah

[atomic fiber]

you might want to wait for 24 hours. if your factory didn't die then yeah. it is working

[dull island]

me when

[distant bear]

Also xira short 💀

[inland perch]

cmon pls go back up

[atomic fiber]

💀

[distant bear]

Uh you fucked it up pre sure

[atomic fiber]

did you put the input right on the website

[inland perch]

idfk it wouldnt lemme calculate till i tuned it to 200w wastage

[dull island]

is 6 syringe A 12 Battery 2 of each comps a thing

[distant bear]

No

[dull island]

damn

[mighty yacht]

thats why your sewage output is a mess

[distant bear]

12 sc batts alone = 0 of any comp

[inland perch]

i did this

[pulsar cypress]

Im doing like this..
Each inlet from syringe goes to 1 battery plant.

In battery, one outlet from syringe + 1 reuse to make it work.

[inland perch]

ohhh it revived

[atomic fiber]

usually you start by calculating the
SC battery and cuprium comp first

[distant bear]

At least set the right power target 😭

[dull island]

whats the max amount of batteries for at least 1 of each comp

[mighty yacht]

6

[atomic fiber]

you should not input 3800 power. your is 3840 or was that 3845? check it

[lusty violet]

min bat 0%, very spicy

[dull island]

damn

[inland perch]

uh that's ok right
it means like, it goes right back up when it goes down to 0 im assuming?

[static isle]

the yazhen A line is supposed to have clogging on the yazhen shredder right
bc rn one shredder feeds two crucible but we don't have enough copium?

[lusty violet]

yea, but prob put like 5 so its not so sweaty

[atomic fiber]

0% is fine. Just make sure you don't set max waste too low (i recommend 50)

[static isle]

I'm at 3.32k so I'm not bothering with PWM rn and just use one battery for 3.4k power

[dull island]

does 6 syringe A 8 batteries make enuf for the outpost

[static isle]

you're supposed to be on 6/12

[inland perch]

what is waste/redundancy i set it to 200 cuz it wont lemme calculate otherwise

[lusty violet]

you need 1 more battery to just be above

[dull island]

🥀

[atomic fiber]

oh... just go with that then. also fix your power input to 3845 or what the power you have

[crimson inlet]

capitalism is cool

[odd grove]

Can someone tell me if this is a decent design or not, cuz for me, my OCD is absolutely killing me

[pulsar cypress]

Beef try to slice one batt prod half to be 9 and use the mats to make gear comp.

[fluid fog]

is D.I.G.E already update for SC?

[atomic fiber]

you need 9.6/min battery minimum. and that only work with manual transfer things too

[distant bear]

Yeah

[crimson inlet]

yeah

1.10.3

[fluid fog]

oh okay lemme check

[odd grove]

When you gray it out like this it feels like communism

[static isle]

he's making 6 yazhen a
that's no comp
unless ur talking old comp and not new one

[static isle]

a lot of ineffcient space but ig you're going for symmetry

[pulsar cypress]

Oh yass.. Thats true.. Not enough mats..

[crimson inlet]

love thy compact

[dull island]

i dont know whats happening anymore

[static isle]

time to plug my 36x23 sc fac again
warning: color flashbang

[fluid fog]

welcome to the life of Factorio

[mighty yacht]

your xir line could be compacted alot

[dull island]

just let me make enuf sewage for 6/12 3 comps of the new one

[atomic fiber]

Just choose 9/min SC battery. that is the most simple one

[dull island]

come on man

[inland perch]

the lower the waste/redundancy the better right

[jaunty siren]

How many miners can one pump support?

[atomic fiber]

6/12?

[crimson inlet]

why are all your SS soo saturated

[atomic fiber]

yes, but do not set it too low

[inland perch]

how low's too low

[atomic fiber]

3 high or 6 low purity

[static isle]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[jaunty siren]

ty!

[odd grove]

I tried but i dont want it to look like a mess

[pulsar cypress]

3 high pure / 6 low pure
Or split (-1 high pure then add + 2 low pure)
At max

[atomic fiber]

i won't set it below 5

[vivid flower]

what youtube you usually go to for 1.1 wuling updated base?

[static isle]

replacing old miners with hydro miners on originium/ferrium veins save on elec right?

[merry wagon]

it's all balanced now

[atomic fiber]

i say 50 is already good

[static isle]

the youtuber called my brain

[crimson inlet]

A true factory player makes their own

[vivid flower]

you dont appear when i search on youtube tho?

[crimson inlet]

[vivid flower]

bro am busy af

ill optimize them when got time

[static isle]

then go into #1461542035617091681
and copy paste

[vivid flower]

static images is rip for me

[mint idol]

I wonder how crazy 1.2 / 1.3 Wuling factory will be

[pulsar cypress]

The new one is kinda complicated, so even if u copy paste blueprints and follow the instruction..
Sometimes it didn't work, u need to re tweak it again and make it work..

[static isle]

what do yall think yazhen and jincao taste like irl

[solid python]

Maybe 2 more Forges of the Sky

[atomic fiber]

i hate pipes

[crimson inlet]

We goin hillybilly with this one....

[mighty yacht]

this is what i set up, but it might be annoying since you have to set up the dust farm somewhere else

[crimson inlet]

if they ever added oil, MUHHHRICA ME INDUSTRY

[mighty yacht]

but its not really alot of space needed

[mint idol]

we will be dealing with Steam eventually

steam will probably be introduced in the Winter region with Heat

[atomic fiber]

as long as i don't need to take it from lake I'm fine

[pulsar cypress]

Something like rice wine and chrysanthemum/osmanthus drink?

[shrewd knoll]

why burn sandleaf, its so big

[mint idol]

steam is heated water......

[shrewd knoll]

just burn jincao or yazhen

[static isle]

osmanthus drink
sorry Zhongli just popped into my head

[solid python]

Yazhen/Jincao produce double the carbon

[mighty yacht]

wdym?

[shrewd knoll]

the sandleaf farms are so big, so just refine jincao or yazhen into carbon instead

[mint idol]

that looks very clean compared to my compact chaotic factory

[crude nebula]

use wuling plant for carbon

[shrewd knoll]

its like 3x smaller

[static isle]

burning one sandleaf = one carbon
burning one jincao/yazhen = two carbon

[crude nebula]

smaller with more carbon

[static isle]

also yz/jc requires two facs
sandleaf requires three

[mighty yacht]

oh that, yea ik, but in the end ill still have gaps so might aswell use sand

[ruby sorrel]

1 vs 2 output

[mighty yacht]

i thought about changing it but never did it

[ruby sorrel]

but think of the power savings

[static isle]

if you were using yz/jc you wouldn't have gaps to begin with because you can compact

[pallid sparrow]

Should I switch to the new cuprium Component or is it possible to farm both?

[crimson inlet]

example of wuling plants space usage:

[pulsar cypress]

[static isle]

like this

[crimson inlet]

sorry, this is my udpated one

[ruby sorrel]

you'd save 1 planter + 3 seeders + 1 refiner - half a pump = 40 power per xiranite line

[odd grove]

Courtesy of @coral orchid

[static isle]

that's 180 overall btw
that's big

[ruby sorrel]

missed the water req oops

[shrewd knoll]

also allows you to potentially just fit 6 of them in the sub pac and never return

[ruby sorrel]

I hope lc batts is enough to cover a upgrading potential new outpost, I don't have enough power headroom to made med Cs without adding more power gen

[inland perch]

will replacing every rig with hydro rig save power?
for example if i use one pump for 6 origi rigs how much do i save

[pulsar cypress]

Do u have blueprint for this.. XD
My brain didn't have capacity to create things like this..

[shrewd knoll]

the orig probably not worth it

[ruby sorrel]

it's around 40ish if you do 1 pump per 3 spots

you can save close to 100 I think if you do 1 pump per 6 low purity

[shrewd knoll]

i didnt make a blueprint of it because its a partial one right now with 4 forges

[mighty yacht]

it doesnt make much of a difference in my design, plus i have the extra space for now so i dont need to worry, plus the power eff isnt that big of an issue to me, im not that into minmaxing results

[inland perch]

im gonna do the one spot with 6 high purities is that alright

[eternal wyvern]

What kind of setups are ppl running and how much power do they consume?

[pulsar cypress]

Its already a complete one right?
Just need to place the forge?

[ruby sorrel]

high purity is 3 per pump

[mighty yacht]

i could compact it if i reworked it but its not worth the effort for whta i have now

[inland perch]

i so can't replace this then ig

or i do two pumps

[shrewd knoll]

I can give you the current design without the forges in it

[static isle]

it does
you're not counting the space you're planting your yazhen and sandleaf elsewhere

[pulsar cypress]

Are u in asia? If yess.. Please, i would love to.. XD

[ruby sorrel]

you can do 2 pumps but orig uses 15power per 3 spots already so if you're replacing 2 with 1 pump you don't actually save anything

you need to split it with another spot

[pulsar cypress]

Do two pumps..

[mighty yacht]

ik, and like i said i have enough space to fit it all rn anyways so its not a huge deal, if i really needed the space i wouldve switched already

and im not planting elsewhere, its all in the same zone

[shrewd knoll]

no, im US/EU, actually i cant because it exceed facility limit but its under 50x50

and i did some tweeking so its no longer symmetrical

so cant do half either

[pulsar cypress]

Ah.. Oki then.. Ish oki..

[crimson inlet]

Use mine:

I have 4 carbon producers using Jincao

[inland perch]

how much power per pump and per hydro rig

[paper magnet]

this is nice i like this

except im going out and its not done so my factory's gonna die when i get back 🤡

[crimson inlet]

only pump uses power, hydro rig only uses water

[dull island]

welp ive tried a thing and now im just going to leave it on and see if i come back to 0 power

[crimson inlet]

god I love capitalism

and piping

[odd grove]

My valley 4 factory looks so empty

[mighty yacht]

mines looks exactly the same

[digital violet]

what is the meaning of protocol capacity in regional development level summary ?

[crimson inlet]

how many facilities you can place

I.e. refineries, drills, pylons, ziplines

turrets

[digital violet]

👍

[mighty yacht]

the only issue if i cared is power, the outpost is basically empty with only powerbanks rn

[mighty yacht]

i forgot that was a thing until i was placing ziplines

and then i realized i had to actually be smart with it

[odd grove]

Cuz everything fits in the Sub AIC

[ruby sorrel]

I had to stop using conduits in wuling

the protocol capacity is criminally low

[mighty yacht]

fr lol, all 3 of the outposts are just cookie cutter buck cap A factories

the only thing in core is th 3 battery lines

[odd grove]

How many relays did you place round the map holy

[glad needle]

what you guys building making your capacity high

im at 240 still

[odd grove]

Relay cap?

[glad needle]

ye

[odd grove]

Uh just upgrade owls

[glad needle]

i mean

the building caps

[crimson inlet]

you're gonna get capped by spamming ziplines a lot

[brazen seal]

for aic defense do i just spam the flamethrower turret

[crimson inlet]

so we have dedicated players for delivery

[mighty yacht]

have you placed ziplines?

[glad needle]

i am

[odd grove]

Yea you need higher region levels to increase cap, and you need to upgradr stuff round the map to reach higher level

[hoary canopy]

guys can i get opinions on a blueprint i made D: i think its optimized but its crazy ugly

[crimson inlet]

Luv the people who take other's delivery jobs ❤️ ❤️ ❤️

[ruby sorrel]

I dunno it's not even that much, I blame the farm

[glad needle]

every 3 am

[odd grove]

No fucking way you upgraded the originium mines to water mines

Thats crazy

[glad needle]

[ruby sorrel]

it keeps me under 3400 power

[shrewd knoll]

yea, its not netting you any significant energy gain

[crimson inlet]

No way, I'm also doing that

[shrewd knoll]

and using a lot more capacity

[small creek]

how many low and high purity nodes can 1 water pump supply

[ruby sorrel]

3375 rn

[small creek]

i heard abt low purity using less water

[small creek]

thank u sm

[crimson inlet]

its all about the timings

[ruby sorrel]

1 high = 2 low, 1 pump = 3 high

[mighty yacht]

who needs sustainable power when we can have no ozone layer

[crimson inlet]

"who needs oxygen when we have air" ahh quote

[mighty yacht]

i feel like i barely placed any ziplines

[ruby sorrel]

you know what I should just power off my farm so I can make meds

[mighty yacht]

but i have 39 somehow

[glad needle]

its like saving 120 energy if youre doing water rig

[pulsar cypress]

Why is soo many water inlet outlet bridge around?

[crimson inlet]

I wish they make the sprinklers power on per use, or have them only use batteries like turrets

[inland perch]

i mean after the outpost upgrade i only rlly do the 1 pump per 3 setup
can't find any with more than 1 low rig

[ruby sorrel]

I watered every mining spot 3 per pump (so I don't have to change it when purity goes up later)

now you might realise spots are either 5 or 2 each

[shrewd knoll]

no point of doing the 2 spots, its still 10 power

unless you are chaining the water and adding more water mid way

[pulsar cypress]

Me also, but some have water nearby, no need inlet outlet.. XD

[ruby sorrel]

yeah that's why I ran the other 1/3 of a pump to a different spot

then I got close to protcol cap and decided to run pipes all over the field logistics depot

[shrewd knoll]

just delete turrets

they are worth a lot of capacity

[glad needle]

i give you some motivation to do it

[pulsar cypress]

Like this one, just place pump at right corner directly to the mine..

[mighty yacht]

turrets in aic dont count right? or do they?

[shrewd knoll]

im on like 3.2k energy, i dont have to save energy

anything in the AIC dont count

including ziplines and such

[crimson inlet]

why you have turrets in your AIC 😭

[ruby sorrel]

how much stuff are you making?

[odd grove]

Roleplay

[crimson inlet]

if its for outpost defense, its still count, but inside the AIC area? 😭

[shrewd knoll]

6LC, 6SC, and all the meds

[ruby sorrel]

I also have 60+ ziplines over the entire place tbh

[mighty yacht]

just a question

[shrewd knoll]

and some components

[crimson inlet]

if enemies can raid your AIC area, they don't

[ruby sorrel]

okay 3260 after turning off my farm.... not planting anything rn anyways

[fluid fog]

if you just making 6sc, yeah it won't much use of electricity include other components.

[crimson inlet]

FLUFFED JINCAO FOREVER 🔥 🔥 🔥

[mighty yacht]

i need the outpost to hurry up and make more money so i can take it all

[ruby sorrel]

now I just have to figure out how to route my yazhen into med C

[shrewd knoll]

making another SC is just around another 250 power

[crimson inlet]

my farm currently

[mighty yacht]

like bruh cmon

i need my 5 mil stock bills

[odd grove]

you're my little fluffed Jincao

[odd grove]

But... why

My farm can fully run with just 2 pumps...

[crimson inlet]

tangtang rn:

[mighty yacht]

he plans to suck the river dry

[atomic fiber]

have anyone tested what happened if you overflow sawage on your SC battery line?

[quick hornet]

jincao looks like it's actually large onion

[crimson inlet]

I have plans that even moses can't fix it...

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-1246054594903804985

[shrewd knoll]

i dont see how that can happen in a setup where you use the end product sewage for the second crucible

[foggy iris]

spent my morning optimizing the factory. yahzen syringe a 6/min, sc wuling battery 12/min

[atomic fiber]

you put sawage from 2 cuprium refining unit. for 1 line of SC battery

[shrewd knoll]

yea but that's inefficient, you are spending 50 power to eliminate the sewage at the end

[crimson inlet]

give us more freedom, industrial freedom, Lowlight

[shrewd knoll]

you kind of also have to do it anyway somewhere else but in the frame of the setup

[crimson inlet]

I need to dump sewage in the river

[young stag]

can this hold up good

i don’t think i have more space to place another pump

[atomic fiber]

what if you don't eliminate it? what will happen will the SC battery line stop?

[shrewd knoll]

your cuprium stops producing

thats basically it

[fluid fog]

anything that clogged at the output will stop.

[atomic fiber]

so the SC battery still run?

[shrewd knoll]

yea

[crimson inlet]

tip:
place your treatment unit outside the AIC area

[shrewd knoll]

as long as its getting xiranite

[atomic fiber]

oh... interesting

[rocky mantle]

Guys, does the number of fluid pump affect the speed of copium mining?
I have here 2 fluid pumps for 6 mineral beds

[mighty yacht]

does it even make much of a difference if it takes up the same amount of space?

[atomic fiber]

wait won't the crucible be clogged then on the SC battery line? since that one produce sawage.

[shrewd knoll]

not if you described doing the 2 cuprium into crucible

you will always remove the end one

[pulsar cypress]

Mining spd fixed..
If you mean qty will increase if more pump..
But not mine if lack water..

[crimson inlet]

I'm making plans to dump it to the city center...

[shrewd knoll]

if you dont want treatment

for sewage

you do it this way

[mighty yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

i always take so long to see things

like when i first look at stuff i miss some random details

i didnt notice the sewage line at the end going back into the reactor

[crimson inlet]

yes, your facilities that make stuff won't work outside the AIC

[inland perch]

does this not work if i use the pump through an inlet?
idk why but i got one rig workin and two not workin on the ferrium wuling spot

[crimson inlet]

the inlet is super fast for transporting stuff, so it will work

it also acts like a smaller fluid tank for the outlet

[mighty yacht]

ik that, but im saying the inlet and the treatment is the same size, so if you're placing it in there anyways might aswell just place the treatment there

[fluid fog]

I will sink excess sewage to possible need, I dont want my coprium and xircon gets clogged.

[inland perch]

idk it jus not workin

[crimson inlet]

it will also work, but do you want to use space for a void facility instead of space for conveyors and more stuff?

its like a preparation for more stuff to be added

[fluid fog]

either you loop back or not, still the same outcome anyway.

[pulsar cypress]

Have u connect the inlet outlet?
Try check the inlet at the pump place, does it transfer the water?

[shrewd knoll]

not exactly, looping back allows you to produce less than 100% and not clog in sewage for the cuprium

[inland perch]

ya it got water

[atomic fiber]

I'm actually thinking would doing loop back actually have risk? that might result in you producing too much or lacking of sawage.

[crimson inlet]

you have to make space for the pump and inlet

[fluid fog]

not on my build though. I just waste all xircon byproduct and its running fine.

[pulsar cypress]

Try delete the pipe splitter and the one to outlet, then place new one again..

[inland perch]

nvm guess what happened

i deleted the supply thingy for the water lilies so thats why

[pulsar cypress]

[inland perch]

lmao

[fluid fog]

all the buildings who by-product is sewage at the same produce recipe

[winged oriole]

wrong canal

[crimson inlet]

Holy shit

[inland perch]

lmaoooo

[atomic fiber]

Cuprium unclog isn't that hard... the problem is just that how much can we trust the pipe system that it won't be buggy and calculate stuff wrong on offline

[crimson inlet]

you done Nestle proud

[smoky rain]

Good. Now fill it with toxic waste.

[winged oriole]

Well now you have somewhere to dump your sewage if this game was cool

[mighty yacht]

i mean it still doesnt change much, 3x3 is gone from both buildings either way unless i have to move it around which at that time id have to reevaluate

[pulsar cypress]

That's why me said check the inlet and the pump..

[shrewd knoll]

the key point is that the process fuels itself and if at least 50% of the xiranite is provided, it will continue producing cuprium at 100%

[fluid fog]

if Server desync, yes there will be potential risk of under producing or over producing.

[crimson inlet]

ok

[wispy grove]

yo

[atomic fiber]

i have no problem with that. it just the sawage loop back

[shrewd knoll]

the sewage backflow can never accumulate

[atomic fiber]

i guess i will just not do the loop back then

[crimson inlet]

for safety, add more water treatment

[shrewd knoll]

if you are worried about it, dont pass the xiranite into the first crucible

and make it go directly into the second one

[inland perch]

once it fill this up i don't hafta keep my supply unit on right

[crude nebula]

yeah

[inland perch]

cuz imma remove it to save power

[marble yarrow]

i didnt loop back lmao, i prioritized giving the 4 cuprium sewage to the 4 reactor. also giving 2 fluid tanks inbetween

safety feature

[smoky rain]

Yeah, it'll hold whatever liquid you put into it.

[ruby sorrel]

if you're making fractional sc battery you need overflow sewage disposal somewhere

[distant sphinx]

can you use reactor expansion anywhere is the xircon prodution process

[marble yarrow]

i have 6 sewage for 12 sc
it needed 7 once i did 10.5 sc so it doesnt clog

[distant sphinx]

maybe liquid xia and xircon?

[crimson inlet]

imagine they added this feature

[ruby sorrel]

rather between 50-100% production on one line the loopback creates more sewage than the fractional reactor's need

I just made an overflow into the existing treatment unit

[mighty yacht]

i modified one of my lines to use the xircon sew and diverted the copium sew to treatment, it is making less so i doubt there would be overflow

[mighty yacht]

was dat?

[willow beacon]

does anyone know why the hell this is happening

my production doesn't seem to be going down at all but there's a bunch of odd numbers

[odd grove]

Fill it with xiarinite

[ruby sorrel]

yeah there's no difference if you're running it at 100%

[mighty yacht]

ye, i need the copium anyways so ill just switch it back the way i had it

[odd grove]

Imagine 1.2 we will use the dark leftover xircon liquid for hc Battery

[willow beacon]

i sure fuckig hope not man

it's already terrible

[shrewd knoll]

it must use fertilizer or else

[odd grove]

Ikr, that would be one hell of a production chain

[merry wagon]

funny that inert xircon effluent is useless but literal sewage is useful

they probably mixed up the names or something

[willow beacon]

they didn't

it's inert for a reason

[odd grove]

This would be nice

[mighty yacht]

that would make things easier

[true furnace]

I see a feedback loop here, too bad it's ultimately useless

[mighty yacht]

more streamlined for prexisitng builds

[sinful moon]

im trying to rig two copium spots in qingbo, the ones in the bottom left, how do i get water to it?

[odd grove]

Will it tho? Will it really?

[shrewd knoll]

you can drag pipes anywhere

[smoky rain]

do keep in mind, there's more wuling to come, I'm sure we'll get more uses for the fluids.

[true furnace]

Inert xircon enrichment trust 🙏

[willow beacon]

conduit

[mighty yacht]

well it depends on how you have it setup, for me i could just switch the treatment to inlets and route it elsewhere, or i could continue on what i have

[mighty yacht]

gonna let us make some alcohol

[odd grove]

Btw give me blueprints for both components 1/min

Steam powerplant when

Or just gas in general

[civic yacht]

is there a way to check locations of combat facilities, its not showing up on the map

[odd grove]

Zoom in to 10% itll show then

[shrewd knoll]

you should already be able to do it if you just run water into the refinery logically

but no turbines

[somber snow]

Aside from not using 30/min ferrium,
ive managed to fit everything into the main AIC

[odd grove]

Oh inside outposts... no it wont show

[left fiber]

are you guys capping out wuling stock bills?

[somber snow]

no, why?

[left fiber]

just double checking if it was possible

[civic yacht]

bruh thats seems like an oversight, I cant locate my 13th combat facility

[somber snow]

i might be misunderstanding, so just to clarify,
i emptied my outpost's stockbills

[left fiber]

yea that

[odd grove]

We might be helping the poor with technology but we sure as hell are squeezing them dry

[shrewd knoll]

you are fueling their terrorist bomb production

clearly

[somber snow]

well yeah,
we give them rock cancer, and then we give them the cure for it

[civic yacht]

deluge plus marsh gas is infinite stall

[odd grove]

Monopoly doesnt discriminate, we sell to everyone equally

[shrewd knoll]

flamethrower + marsh is basically instant death

no need to push them

just angle the flamethrower directly on the road

and not side ways

[odd grove]

Dont forget beam towers for the tanks

[civic yacht]

This setup just annihilates them tho

[shrewd knoll]

but you can do it with a single flamer

if you just point it at the road

so u can have more marsh

for consistent slow

[civic yacht]

Ah prob reverse towards the road like pointing towards the deluge

[sonic summit]

guys this is 1,5 lc battery with gearing right ?

[distant sphinx]

reactor expansion is a scam

[civic yacht]

is that just for min maxing, I just have two sc chains setup

[distant sphinx]

haven't found a useful combination

and it doesn't do 2 of the same recipe

[sonic summit]

nah i go for 10,5 sc and 1,5 lc the lc is for power need to dige it

[upper fiber]

the factory has mirror function or not, turning 180 is not the same

[inland perch]

is this gonna eventually drop to zero

[civic yacht]

cant u 12 sc and just dige the sc only (without a secondary source)

[sonic summit]

but i need gearing

[civic yacht]

ah, i hav like 30k of the green one, im just doing the reds rn and plan to switch over so its less of a headache

[sonic summit]

you do need both right ?

[upper fiber]

anyone know how to mirror it? doing it manual is a pain

[civic yacht]

i feel like 20k should be enough for the rest of the game tho

[shrewd knoll]

you cant mirror stuff with pipe

[distant sphinx]

issue is that the building would have wrong inputs and outputs

[sonic summit]

better than mine, all manual

[somber snow]

hmm, sphagetti factory

[mighty yacht]

lets see if this is sustainable, because idk how i can be using 240/ min when i turned off some stuff

[sonic summit]

doing some half assed dige on pipe so 1 reactor can get all the sewage from 4,5 battery output

[civic yacht]

i wish jincao tea was tradeable, gonna have to use a regenerating item for a while\

[sonic summit]

man i like that conduit is better capacity fluid tank

[sick cypress]

36x65 fully auto sufficient* 6/min sc bat +60/min cuprium

i can share code if u guys can giive ur opinion on it (thank you)

*** means that dosnt need anything more than planting sandleaf seeds and plug in water

NA ONLY
TOP BP : EFO0158Ooi0o19u13eIoe
BOTTOM BP : EFO018930OU0eA15aUI73

[simple aspen]

took a while to settle down
fully self sustained, stable xiranite and copium ore level
just need to turn off copium component line to restock xiranite+copium or ramping up yazhen A
will keep xiranite component line running for the purpose of artificing
there's not much point in achieving 12/min SC battery and 6/min yazhen A when all you do is buying out shop and that's it
I'd rather stick to 9/min SC battery, 1/m component, 4.5/min yazhen A, and 3/m yazhen C because you can still artifice gear, stock up on yazhen C (in an event of new settlement starting at level 1 not accepting SC battery or yazhen A), and still sell to settlement for stock bills decently

[delicate seal]

what's the water input that i need for 120/min xiranite? 4 pumps?

[mighty yacht]

2 is enough

[shrewd knoll]

2 if you are doing sandleaf

[mighty yacht]

another reason why i use it XD

[half heron]

i read cuprium

[mighty yacht]

plus the guy above just shared his Bp and its a full sandleaf too lmao

[smoky rain]

on a separate note, does promoting an operator to E4 from E3 change the bonus on the Dijiang factory?

[shrewd knoll]

he has 5, which is for 4 xiranite + the cubes

which is not a lot

you have like 8+more

[upper fiber]

for E1 bonus, yeah

[sonic summit]

wait can you just use 1 sewage output and having one of them sustained by xircon sewage

[delicate seal]

do you mean using sandleaf as my carbon source?

[upper fiber]

if you don't put the cuprium refining on same pac, yeah

[shrewd knoll]

that was a joke for @mighty yacht cuz hes using it with sandleaf and only needs 2 pumps

but you generally want 4

for the sane people

[sonic summit]

yeah better space and energy used

[delicate seal]

using yazhen as the carbon source?

[sonic summit]

yanzhen or jincao is ok

[mighty yacht]

its the same amount of farms in using per forge, he just uses straight from the farm instead of depot, and hes routing the extra dust into the 4th oregano cube, so it adds up better for him, but in reality its still the same as my setup

[delicate seal]

so is it like one pump per forge, plus splits to planters for the plants?

[shrewd knoll]

not really in terms of resources used

[mighty yacht]

no you can use 1 pump per 2

[sonic summit]

so 1 pump can sustain 2 building but 1 pipe can deliver 2 pump

[mighty yacht]

and then another 2 for the plant farm if you use that

[delicate seal]

oh i was thinking to just build in the plants into my production

just dedicate the sub-pac to xiranite prod and use the main for everything else

[shrewd knoll]

this is a self contained xiranite BP, it does use sandleaf because of the grinders but its much smaller than what you are doing adding 4 more 5x5 buildings into it

[sick cypress]

i dont think to see what ur telling me lmao

i need 3 treatment unit ? cant do 2 or it ll clogged

[shrewd knoll]

265 power use for 1, you are using over 300 per xiranite

[sonic summit]

? HUH but i running 6 sc battery using only 1 sewage output

[atomic fiber]

does pipes have any priority bug like belt?

[sick cypress]

u have a pic to help me see cause i think we dont talk about the same and i didnt understood u sry

[mighty yacht]

ive been strictly talking about his BP he uploaded, so idk why you're on the jincao train when i already know its more efficient, i was comparing his to mine, and i checked his bp, its 7 farms not 5

[sonic summit]

here 1 self sustain sewage input from battery output so you only need to bring 1 sewage input

[mint idol]

i hate how messy wuling bases look in comparison to V4

[shrewd knoll]

only if you try to do everything in one contained block

[bright zodiac]

its honestly not exactly best

normally, you make 2 cuprium and took these 2 sewage to 1 fully xircon

but u can make 1fully xircon with only 1cuprium production line. the other sewage coming later from the LAST reactor crucible (which the xircon itself)

but this way, u need to make 2cuprium ELSEWHERE seperately

[shrewd knoll]

otherwise its neater if you do it by steps and then depot it

so many unused depot space

[mighty yacht]

and ive said before, im not minmaxing power like i have bills to pay, so it doesnt matter how much i use at the end of the day

[mint idol]

right but i also like big open spaces for activities in my AIC zones

[digital bramble]

so... when talking about priority bugs... im not sure if its known that there some sort of "entire line logic" going on... I've been working on a much more complicated multi-phase battery PWM that delivers batteries at exact intervals with and I calculated in the gap modulo and belt logic for the entire line when doing so basced on fair splitting... but... im finding i can "change" splitter behavior retroactively in the line from any arbitrary line distance away by modifying lines ahead of a splitter. and im not talking about the line backing up and propogating a forced change in feed from physical backup, im saying, even if the change in line length takes a single second, and the line is 100 units away from the splitter, a change in line 1 will often instantly result in a double feed in line 3 from a VERY distant splitter... Has anyone figured out what the actual logic is for these splitters since they seem to do something based on total line state for their actions?

[sonic summit]

curses of so many reactor crucible to make a sc battery now i am scared of hc battery 💀

[bright zodiac]

yea, my full 2xircon, is coming from 4 cuprium

this way, i dont need to worry about using 2cuprium, and 2more cuprium elsewhere.

in the end, you need the same amount of water treatment, recycling from xircon reactor crucible sewage is kinda.... meh

[calm scarab]

Ever since the introduction of pipes, it starts getting messier already😂

[reef crescent]

So I'm currently at Region 9, what's the currently production amount for Yazhen A and SC Bats that you can get?

[sonic summit]

saving 50 power from water treatment though

[bright zodiac]

indeed, especially ppl making horrendous pipe line, kekkk

[mint idol]

wtf is region 9?

[inland perch]

uhh somehow this counts as connected my splitter's so warped yet it's still flow....

[reef crescent]

region development lvl 9

[shrewd knoll]

you still ultimately have to use 2 for sewage no matter how you do it

[bright zodiac]

nooooo

u use the same amount

[sonic summit]

ah

[bright zodiac]

thats why

[sonic summit]

welp my bad

[mighty yacht]

bluetooth connection

[prime pendant]

Guys guys i just noticed something
Power regenerates faster than it is depleting
When the city power turns critical and its almost shut down, power loss is less than power generation SO i wanna ask how to make some sort of a conveyor belt contraption in order to have a battery delivered every 50 seconds instead of 40?

[nova osprey]

PWM

[bright zodiac]

let me make it easy

4cuprium 4sewage 4 inert 4 water treatment

2 xircon sewage 2 water treatment

no matter how you loop it, u need 6 water treatment

[prime pendant]

What is dat

[digital bramble]

its really annoying as i can't get a reliable cadence going without a bunch of stupid trial and error, but also its not a full calculation that is deterministic based on line, it seems to do this backpropogation error and change logic even if its just "a change" from one state to an identical state in a different connected line. Simply MAKING a change far from a splitter in one line, makes massive gaps in the 2nd line attached to the same splitter, and back to back feeds in another, and totally changes the phase offset of all three lines.

[sonic summit]

meanwhile

[sick cypress]

oh yeah but i had space for another cuprium factory its juste using me a bit more power cause im producing more cuprium and this power u spare it on another factory so no big deal were both doing the same job but thnaks for the screen i didnt thought about it

[hushed blaze]

Short second of this and then the AIC in wuling got shutdown

[nova osprey]

pulse width modulation, using splitters and belts to manage power

[calm scarab]

Splitters

PWN is the more sophisticated version

[nova osprey]

also something is up with splitters

they screw over your efficiency slightly

[prime pendant]

@calm scarab
Imma need some guidance on that
I know splitters and convergers are used but I'm really really bad at it 🥲

[prime pendant]

Wait so they're not working as intended?

[shrewd knoll]

just burn the battery if you are outpost capped on bills, all you are saving is more stock that will not sell

[calm scarab]

You need to copy the PWN blueprint first

[nova osprey]

no they aren't fully

they're a bit messed up

[sonic summit]

oh btw do you know that wuling plant give 2 carbon when you refine it while also only using 1 planter 1 seed picking ? it save you space and energy but you need water for it

[nova osprey]

either that or there's something else going on, i have to do some testing

[calm scarab]

Also, because now we have sc battery, that PWN with lc battery is outdated

[sick cypress]

yeah but i cant wioth more wter tube going everywhere doing a mess

[calm scarab]

Its still workable with sc battery, just need to tweak a bit

[prime pendant]

Omg so it's not me 🔥🔥
I've been trying to test it out to see how much is too little, but it's not consistent at all
Welp, hope they fix it

[nova osprey]

i mean you save on like 70 power by using jincao

[marble yarrow]

mine works perfect, i set the PWM to 3205 and it shows in 1 full day chart

[bright zodiac]

honestly i might need to adjust for... 4000 power one

[prime pendant]

Where to find that blueprint?

[digital bramble]

I think it has to do with what im talking about... they are not logically coherent true to physical interaction splitters and mergers. They are state based or something, based on entire line changes, and changes that SHOULD have no effect on a splitter earlier in the line will cause it to do stupid things like arbitrarily decide to double feed one line or lag in feeding another, and make creating accurate phase control across an entire advanced line VERY hard.

[bright zodiac]

lemme know if you guys have good one

[nova osprey]

not for PWM, something's going on with my factories when it shouldn't be doing it

[cobalt oriole]

Time to do some mass redesigns of my setup

[sonic summit]

you can combine 2 pump into 1 pipe to suport 4 building so just 1 conduit for 2 xiranite production

[nova osprey]

I have priority belts set up and for some reason the first cuprium refiner always manages to have some extra bypass

from a triple split

which shouldn't be happening

[grave wedge]

am I taking more Xiranite then made ?! (I was bored)

[marble yarrow]

for the factory its not splitter issue.

every facility is wonky when offline. even an origocrust refinery solo input output directly to AIC is messed up

[nova osprey]

i don't have a clear photo of it atm but let me see if i can edit an image

[digital bramble]

Its not just offline. I can literally stream them doing things that aren't right for their setup locally based on changes that make no sense if the lines were coherent live.

[sick cypress]

im using reactor crucible to transfer my water XD

[marble yarrow]

every one is 1 or 2 item off the perfect production

[sonic summit]

same

[bright zodiac]

power coming once a decade

[nova osprey]

here

[prime pendant]

The middle ones splitters, the sides convergers?
This would be very helpful for me

[sick cypress]

maximum efficiency water line is so horrible u cant build on it like common build the pipe on top of the factory

[calm scarab]

This is from lc battery time. Lc battery is 1600 x 40 = 64000 total power generated. Divide by 2 at the start to get 32000 as items move every 2 seconds.

[nova osprey]

overnight, only the first refinery ever overproduces to go into the protocol stash

just a tiny bit

like 400 or so items

but only the first one

[marble yarrow]

yeah. its configurable since if you need only 2 split, just remove the side

[sonic summit]

IT WAS MESSY

[sick cypress]

its not like we cant bend our pipe why it cant go over the factory instead of going trhough

[prime pendant]

Omlll that'll take forever for the battery to reach, no?

[nova osprey]

im not sure what's going on in this case

[digital bramble]

made a dac calculator for that:

[calm scarab]

With the SC battery we have... it will be 3200 x 40 ÷ 2 = 64000 at the start

[nova osprey]

it keeps overflowing by 1 item every 5 or so minutes

been doing some testing so im really not certain what's happening lol

[sonic summit]

at least the pipe can go over belt not logistic part of pipe though

[delicate seal]

just checking

[marble yarrow]

nah im not doing that. its a risk, and my cuprium refiners are already doing great

just do the normal

[delicate seal]

yazhen/jincao is self-sustaining with just one seeder and one planter right

[nova osprey]

protocol stash is off to prevent anything bad from happening

[sick cypress]

like this why could it cant be higher in the AIC base u can bed it like u want

[calm scarab]

Keep in mind that for this PWN value you set for the system, when you look at the amount of power used currently, minus 200, and this value should be your PWN

[nova osprey]

it's a test to see how priority belts work

[sonic summit]

yeah

[nova osprey]

but at the same time

[marble yarrow]

its the sewage that is more likely to fail than that

[nova osprey]

hmm, let me check then

but im still confused

[sick cypress]

how the support of the pipe can be on the belt XD

[bright zodiac]

i was about to do it, so hows your end game power usage?i think ill reach somewhere 3800

[nova osprey]

i guess idk

anyways

could be the sewage though you're right

[calm scarab]

E.g You see your base running at 2.4k out of 3.4k power, set your PWN to 2.2k instead

[bright zodiac]

at this rate, i probably need to tf battery from v4 for efficiency

[sonic summit]

it is what it is

[golden sapphire]

wrong channel

dw

[wispy grove]

yow guys

i wanna ask

[delicate seal]

wait if one pump can feed enough water for 2 structures uninterrupted how does xiranite 120/min only need 2 pumps

[sonic summit]

man this power usage is pain to deal with

[delicate seal]

wouldn't you need 4 to feed each forge + each yazhen producer?

[mighty yacht]

if you use wuling plantsyea

[marble yarrow]

[nova osprey]

it's still weird behaviour though, im probably going to do some more testing using priority belts to see what's going on with splitter and converger lines

[bright zodiac]

your whole wuling is just 3.1k?

[nova osprey]

what are you using o.o;;

[sonic summit]

only 1 it give 2 carbon instead of 1 like valley plant

[marble yarrow]

yeah you could also put failsafe by adding fluid tank right after the cuprium refiners