aic-factory

[nova osprey]

nice reference

lol

[smoky eagle]

[nova osprey]

think they're all high

[kindred raptor]

What does a sanity less person do in his/her free time i guess

i was kinda bridging the gap

Is this how you supposed to get rid of sewage water?

[unreal laurel]

how many pumps per conduit?

[kindred raptor]

whats a conduit

[unreal laurel]

the thing with a 200m pipe

[nova osprey]

if you don't want to make sc batteries

[nova osprey]

same as pipe flow rate

[unreal laurel]

uhhh

[nova osprey]

4 pumps

[kindred raptor]

you can make batteries with sewage water lemme check

oh

[unreal laurel]

isnt each pump 1/sec

so 2 pumps

[distant bear]

No

[nova osprey]

sorry yes you're right lol

[distant bear]

You need xircon

[nova osprey]

i got it mixed up with machines

[upper fiber]

wew it is so buggy, why sudden influx of sewage produced on some refining unit

[prime pendant]

am i the only one who cant understand sewage water at all?
to make sewage you need ferrium powder and xircon water
how to make xircon water? simple. SEWAGE

[nova osprey]

what

[willow beacon]

to make sewage you just refine cuprium

xircon recipe only refunds half of it

[prime pendant]

thank you

[unreal laurel]

the other spot only had 2 nodes

[uneven aspen]

took 2 xiranite blueprints from this server, together was able to fit 6 xiranite lines in the subaic+thermal banks

so if next update it's 6 it possible to fit it all in 1 outpost

[unreal laurel]

so 1 pump is enough right?

just making sure im doing this right

[near flower]

More than enough

[unreal laurel]

what am i missing for dev xp?

i maxed my recyling stations including the new one

ive connected all the mines

[uneven aspen]

did you finish level 3 outpost quest?

[unreal laurel]

i did the depot and observation to 3

[near flower]

It's not necessary

[uneven aspen]

monitoring station?

[unreal laurel]

what else is there?

[near flower]

Stock redistribution?

[unreal laurel]

thats a synonym for observation....

[unreal laurel]

thats the depot....

wtf are yall on

[near flower]

No

[uneven aspen]

no depot devliery and stock are 2 separate

[unreal laurel]

mb,mixed that one up

quite sure i did that too

its now 65items/day iirc

or is there a 2nd location now?

[uneven aspen]

what's missing for you?

[near flower]

Maybe outpost and main base upgrades?

[unreal laurel]

outpost connection and prosperity

[iron furnace]

if a mining spot has 3 high purity and 3 low purity, that requires 1.5 pumps right? checking if im doing this right, trying to use some wasted water not being used in my factory for the ferrium mine

[unreal laurel]

90/60
ye

i think i botched the math

where tf did i get 150 from

[near flower]

How are you gonna use it in another place?

[iron furnace]

xD

[nova osprey]

yeah technically right now you only need 2 pumps, but whether or not that's an optimization you want to make is up to you

[iron furnace]

split pump into two condiuts, use one of them and merge with another at ferrium mine

[nova osprey]

wait

[iron furnace]

tyty

[nova osprey]

i have a question

[near flower]

I mean isn't it too far away..?

[unreal laurel]

whats the optimal setup now?

[nova osprey]

can you use hydro rigs for the other nodes

other thant cuprium

[iron furnace]

nah the ferrium mien is close, and even if it's far away i think we can use tanks to carry further? at no power cost

[unreal laurel]

no according to a rando i asked

if u want to u can tho

[lusty violet]

yes, in wuling

[nova osprey]

damn time to rewire everything

[iron furnace]

ive been doing it for all of my mines. or trying, still working on it

[nova osprey]

thanks

[iron furnace]

works fine for me

oh ye, only in wuling xD

[nova osprey]

how much power do we save then hmm

[unreal laurel]

wont they both work at the same rate?

the power save is minimal

[nova osprey]

yeah I'm just optimizing power

[unreal laurel]

fair enough

[iron furnace]

2/3 saved at best. wondering if i want to go that far xD

but even without optimizing a good chunk of power saved

[nova osprey]

i need as many optimizations as possible rn, approaching the 3.4k cap atm

[near flower]

Maybe you can just use this 30 for another 2 cuprium nodes?

[iron furnace]

already saved like 200 power now

[near flower]

Aren't they 1 low and 1 high purity?

[iron furnace]

i dont even remember what they have xD ill look at it in a bit, wanted to see if splitting/merging thing works on the ferrium first

but ye probably

[fathom yacht]

Im so confused. How are these numbers possible?

Everything was lower last night, but somehow this is stable...

[iron furnace]

looks like it works

[near flower]

Ferrium? Maybe originium? Cause I think Ferrium was only in Wuling location

[nova osprey]

splitting/merging?

[near flower]

They are not? I think it will work until resources will end in depot

[trail mirage]

have to remake factory hhhhhhhhhhhh

[iron furnace]

ye just the one next to core aic. basically i had a pump for making 0.5 of the new components per min, but it only uses 0.5 water per sec. wondered if i could split it in two condiuts, take half to the ferrium mine nearby. then use another more 1 pump + conduit for 1.5 water/s

[fathom yacht]

It is stable though, its been over 24hrs with no depletion of resources. But, when I logged off it was 18/9 usage, etc... so the yield/usage numbers even changed.

[near flower]

What is the purity of nodes there?

[trail mirage]

thats bec theres not enough bottles, it will fluctuate based on your protocol stash

[near flower]

Then yeah, you technically can use pump from low purity nodes for components

[near flower]

Just send only 30 through the outlet then

[iron furnace]

oh. wait yeah i dont need two separate ones then, i could just plug all the water in teh same conduit. im stupid xD

[near flower]

Actually yeah, because capacity is 120

[thick otter]

how much Originium , ferrium and cuprium production on the new patch?

[near flower]

You can make 60 + 30 and send through outlet

[near flower]

480 originium, 90 ferrium, 120 cuprium

[iron furnace]

ye, i forgot i literally just did that for leander's syringe blueprint lmao

[thick otter]

now why my originium still at 370 O_o

[near flower]

You need lvl 8 region development

[near flower]

.

[thick otter]

I already have it at lvl 8

[near flower]

Then you probably missed smth

[thick otter]

it might be on some part that cloudy then... i didnt bother cuz 1.0 doesnt have the spot but maybe now it exist

[charred lodge]

is there a "best" valley IV blueprint? idt 1.1 changed anything in it so i think its abt time i optimize it

[thick otter]

It is...

[iron furnace]

imma try this after im done with ferrium, but if i want to overoptimize over longer distances, i think conduit out -> fluid pump -> condiut in should work

[oblique kelp]

does the hydro rig have a higher output for ferrium/originium or should you just only use it for cuprium

[kindred raptor]

The best valley 4 blueprint is always what you make on your own

[iron furnace]

same output. it just uses less power overall

since you're only powering the pump instead of 10 per mining rig

[charred lodge]

yea but i dont feel like optimizing valley IV when theres clearly a best one, i wanna focus on wuling

[oblique kelp]

dont really care about power.

[iron furnace]

then ye no need

[charred lodge]

i put my bs-ing brainpower into wuling not valley iv bc its less fun there

[crimson inlet]

I need to pull tangtang for the stockade earnings

[lusty violet]

unless u like tangtang, prob just swap wulfgard/avy

imo not worth tossing pulls for bills

[crimson inlet]

I already have wulfgard in there

[lusty violet]

then u get the same earnings as tangtang

[near flower]

Depends on what you consifer "the best"

[smoky eagle]

If you don't understand Valley optimization some of Wuling will fly over your head

[charred lodge]

idk, isnt it just HC batt and buck capsule A

[near flower]

In valley or wuling?

[charred lodge]

its not that I don't understand it, i just don't feel like optimizing it, i have a base already its just idk what to produce

so im still making like SC batts bc of it

[charred lodge]

valley

im gonna figure out the 1.1 wuling stuff when i have time so i just want to not have my valley IV be lobotimized inefficiency

[near flower]

It's not like you really need anything there

[charred lodge]

hence why i just want a big collection of blueprints to just slap down and forget about it

[smoky eagle]

#1461542035617091681 has several... Hard to judge which is "best"

[charred lodge]

i mean there has to be a theoretical limit tho right

just from ore

[smoky eagle]

Yes

[near flower]

18 Buck Capsule [A]/min + 18 HC Valley Battery/min + 24 Citron Capsule [C]/min if you don't care

[charred lodge]

so wouldnt the blueprint producing that maximum be the best

[charred lodge]

yea that sounds fine to me

[near flower]

I also found
18 Buck Capsule [A]/min + 18 Buck Capsule [C]/min + 12 HC Valley Battery/min + 6 SC Valley Battery/min + 6 LC Valley Battery/min + 30 Origocrust/min + 30 Amethys parts/min + 30 Ferrium parts/min + 15 Steel parts/min:

• 1080 Ferrium/min
• 240 Amethyst/min
• 540 Originium/min (20 units/min excess)
• 285 Sandleaf/min
• 225 Buckflower/min

It still should be enough to get all the stock bills if I did all the calculations right but also gives you more variety of items that you can probably use later

But it's a bit harder to build

[upper fiber]

18 bulk A and 18 bat are more than enough to buy out stocks

[charred lodge]

thats not a problem for me, i can prob figure it out with some form of guideline (whether that be screenshots or a video)

[near flower]

It's just ratios can be worse sometimes

But if you make it right it should be better

[charred lodge]

where's it from?

[near flower]

Also for Wuling

[near flower]

What?

[charred lodge]

oh youre using a calculator to find the theoretical max

[near flower]

Yeah

[near flower]

I was trying to get all the stock bills in wuling and maximize components but not exceed usage of resources

[charred lodge]

i assume the excess originium is for metatransfer?

[near flower]

You could find that yourself btw

[quartz cloak]

Do you factor in power usage?

[near flower]

Well, I used it for power xD

[charred lodge]

oh lmao

[charred lodge]

tbf, im surprised some crazy factory builder hasn't found it

[near flower]

-1.5 sc battery for 3200 power
And -60 originium for 400. It gave me just enough power

[quartz cloak]

So it would be 8.5 SC battery as sellable total then?

[near flower]

Yeah

[quartz cloak]

I´d guess that has to do with space restrictions or output/input rates/ratios

[near flower]

I think I'm about to become one

[near flower]

You can manipulate input/output rates with splitters and convergers. And space is actually never a problem

[silent karma]

is 12 bat + 6 jincao tea or Yazhen A the max possible yield rn?

[wind nacelle]

Yup, it's impossible to power a base from just a single originium line, and sustain said Originium ore production, even with Metaphysical Transfer.

[near flower]

I can explain how people found production of 18 buck A and 18 SC bats.
The main restriction are ores:
1080 ferrium
560 originium
240 amethyst.

Batteries and buck A have the same price, but buck A require 240 ferrium and bats only 120 for 6 items. So batteries are better. But they also need 180 originium which means we can make only 3 productions with 360 ferrium and 540 originium usage. Then we have 720 ferrium left which is exactly 3 lines of buck A. So we spent all ferrium and almost all originium for 18 batteries and 18 buck A. But we still have 240 amethyst which we can spend on Citron C. And all of that will give us enough items to get all stock bills from outposts:

3 max outposts avg (with earn buffs): 29,148 + 38,976 + 51,408 = 119,532/hour | 2,868,768/day

[near flower]

If you don't want components. Also you can't sell Jincao tea

[calm scarab]

Yeah. 12 bat is limited by the originium ore production(480/min = 16 ore output)
6 jincao tea / Yazhen A is limited by cuprium production (120/min = 4 ore output)

[silent karma]

you cant?

[nova osprey]

not yet

[near flower]

Only Yazhen Syringe A

[silent karma]

I guess we making that instead

[near flower]

Though you don't need 12 bats

[upper fiber]

6SC 6 LC 3component 6Yazhen

[near flower]

Only one type of components?

[upper fiber]

not enough xyra

[marble yarrow]

rip cuprium

[quasi lynx]

if you drop lc battery abit you can the other component typ aswell

[calm scarab]

6/min Yazhen A is equivalent to using all 4 cuprium production output

[marble yarrow]

bro thought free cuprium

lmao

150/min cuprium how

[calm scarab]

Next area update🙂

[near flower]

Enough if you split it

[near flower]

No SC batteries?

[quasi lynx]

i want components, once i reach max, i swap to battery

[near flower]

You don't need to use all 4

[leaden drift]

so my SC bats take up 38x56

[near flower]

And you will always swap?

[leaden drift]

how small have you guys gotten it?

[near flower]

Idk but my base looks horrible xD

[marble yarrow]

1.5 comps sustainable calcs

[quasi lynx]

other one is in component and battery is on sub aic

[quasi lynx]

no i didnt swap, you see those skyforge xiranite output, there are item controll output, i just need to turn them off and turn on item controller for components

[marble yarrow]

back at home after being away for a week now updating 2nd pc lmaooo

[near flower]

Tbh I don't really wanna use meta-transfer, it looks like a bug. And it'a only cuprium components

[calm scarab]

What do you mean? Yazhen A needs 10s to make for peak output, which equals 6/min, and this needs 10 cuprium part + 5 cuprium bottles of Yazhen solution. 1 ore output for one cuprium part(times 2) while two ore output for one bottle.

[iron furnace]

ye i think it works. it further than 200 meters, but fluid tank works for bridging it

[marble yarrow]

lmao. id take an hourly delivery a great feature

[near flower]

Maybe you can make it even without a tank?

[quasi lynx]

that one is nice, you also got with that setup 6 per min ?

[near flower]

110 cuprium for 5.5 syringes and 10 cuprium for 1 comp

[iron furnace]

what else could i use? i have no idea xD i just rem,ember doing this in a quest for whatever reason before. didnt cost any power so thought why not 😄

[near flower]

I mean, can't you just connect them with a tube without anything else?

[leaden drift]

nah all xiranite atm is going toward battery

thats just my extra so im in no need to spend it

[near flower]

@calm scarab

[iron furnace]

i guess, sounds like a pretty long distance tho 0.0 teleporting here already took almost the entire 200 meters. got a ways to go before i connect

[viscid plover]

WHERE the 1 come from

[lusty violet]

time to pwm that

[leaden drift]

i have 48k of the purple one i think im good for now

[marble yarrow]

hydro mine everything

[leaden drift]

im also sitting on 136k xiranite

[near flower]

No, I mean you have an outlet and inlet again, can't you just connect it with a pipe, without a tank in between?

[iron furnace]

oh. ohhh yeah im stupid mb 🤣 lemme try

bruh i had that stuck in my head too hard

[near flower]

I just wanted to make a factory you don't need to change or swap or anything else and make it work authomatically

[leaden drift]

I had that before as well

[iron furnace]

yeah that works fine, ty

[leaden drift]

but im just trying to see how small i can make it currently

[near flower]

Cause it seems like fluids can flow in pipes on any distances so there shouldn't be any problems with using it after outlet

[marble yarrow]

pipe it like the old world

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1480189624407167110/WulingPipeline.mp4?ex=69aec583&is=69ad7403&hm=45ea2c43047e8f9fbce3ded755e3cef5d905380da83aa146c64d481af4642449&

[calm scarab]

I want sewage to be dischargeable

[marble yarrow]

i prepared this for sewage btw

then. shit

[fathom yacht]

What use do cryston parts have?

[marble yarrow]

zhuang fangyi is 2 steps ahead to ban us

[pulsar cypress]

The inlet outlet device thing can handle 2 pump at once right?
So outlet for 5 mining like this safe?

[calm scarab]

Lvl 50 equips iirc

[marble yarrow]

yeah conduits have pipe speed, so max of 2/s or 2 pumps

[quasi lynx]

wtf, if something else get in there once, you never gonna find it, did your rigs get enough water ?

[near flower]

If game would be more realistic we wouldn't need water treatment units

[marble yarrow]

i just used it to store liquid xiranite to prepare for 1.1

now its empty again and i cant store sewage to it

[fathom yacht]

Thats cryston component

[calm scarab]

One thing to note is that while pipe flow can reach up to 2units/s, its limited by a pump's generating speed of 1unit/s

[marble yarrow]

yeah i used 2 pumps for most of my conduits

[unreal laurel]

can i cram 2 xiranites into a 25x25

or is that not possible

[near flower]

Converge pipes from two pumps to one

[inland perch]

Wait so power is cheaper w/ hydro?

[marble yarrow]

yeah, 2 pumps can cover so much but depends on node purity

[near flower]

Yes

[marble yarrow]

1 pump can cover:

3 high purity
or
2 high 2 low
or
1 high 4 low
or
6 low

[quasi lynx]

is it usefull since out megabuilds uses alot energy anyway

[iron furnace]

shit almost forgot to send 2/3 to high purity instead of half :kekcry

[calm scarab]

Yes. Hydro mining only uses water pump for power of 10. A single pump can accomdate 3 high quality rigs of 1 ore every 3 seconds as water pump generates 1 unit/s

[marble yarrow]

yeah, my full production wuling has a total power use of 3.1k (still with 30 ziplines)

[calm scarab]

Compare that to using 5 power rig for originium ore 5 x 3 = 15 power used

[unreal laurel]

is 60/min xiranite in 25x25 possible?

[marble yarrow]

too small

[brittle aspen]

I literally have nothing to do with my Sub PAC

[marble yarrow]

yeah main wuling AIC can fit all those and still have space

[pulsar cypress]

Same..
Even the main still only filled like 2/3 only..

[unreal laurel]

sure?

[calm scarab]

Even better, on ferrium ore, their rigs are 10 power x 3 = 30. You can substitute with hydro for 10 power only.

[unreal laurel]

i wanna try cramming as many xiranites into a sub pac as possible

got no clue whats optimal

[marble yarrow]

is your sub pac max size?

i tried to fit 120/min into sky king flats and its ok

[quasi lynx]

like i did that to save 1 battery every 2min but if that would reduce it by alot i could save 1 battery permanent

[iron furnace]

oh fuck i did it the wrong way lmao, sent 2/3 to the low purity one

[obsidian knot]

yea thats basically what i spent today doing, can fit probably 8 full production lines should we get more forges in the future

[marble yarrow]

3.76k 💀

[unreal laurel]

so 4 is the max?

i feel like 5 is possible tho....

maybe 6

[marble yarrow]

yeah you can spend extra time to reduce ur usage. i did it so i can slowly drain my remaining HCs and LCs

[marble yarrow]

yeah. even max forge. good luck with 5 or 6

[obsidian knot]

anyone have any issues supplying just enough sc battery to their thermal bank? its fine when im online, but once im offline i notice my battery supply is slowly dropping

[quasi lynx]

ok nevermind, i leaved my sc battery building one while not needed and its another one on the sub aic

[unreal laurel]

can i cram everything in 1.1 into the main pac so i can turn the sub into a test site or no

[marble yarrow]

yeah. i fit everything on main pac

most of everyone i think also did

[unreal laurel]

how tight of a fit is it?

[marble yarrow]

with extra space for tests

wait imma get the pic

[unreal laurel]

whys the dense originium its own sector?

[uneven aspen]

6 forges can fit 👍

prepped for 1.2 💀

[unreal laurel]

where did all the cuprium go?

[marble yarrow]

easier to manage

[marble yarrow]

i cant even place 6 forge

why bother

[uneven aspen]

yup 2 empty spots at the top ready

[quasi lynx]

3.05k only, those unused buildings eat alot energy for nothing

[marble yarrow]

ill put 6 forge in my main AIC

[uneven aspen]

the 50/50 protocol in sky king flats is weird though

it's only surrounding the water

[unreal laurel]

if the top is a 15x25,why not just layer 3 of them?

does that not work?

[uneven aspen]

no space for subaic

[storm garnet]

shouldn't it be 120 on everything? what am i missing?

[unreal laurel]

ic

[uneven aspen]

got a weird rectangle leftover taht wouldnt fit the sub aic

[storm garnet]

got back to the game after a long sleep and i don't even know how it works anymore

[uneven aspen]

the 4 forge is a bp by leander#1481528724955463722 message

15x25 was from #1478505541147037847 message

[leaden drift]

56x38

[unreal laurel]

considering how sandleaf works

[unreal laurel]

isnt a triple xiranite optimal when we get the last 2 forges

assuming the last aic tier is another 2 forges

[hoary crag]

I managed to build a sc wuling battery line with just 4 crucibles

but it'd force me to move one tile out of place so now my ocd is not liking it

[unreal laurel]

can u fit a depotbus in that gap

or is it a tile off

[leaden drift]

ye

[unreal laurel]

DO IT

[leaden drift]

i just have the space open

[unreal laurel]

why!

[hoary crag]

how'd you even get a zipline there?

[leaden drift]

II might change whats in the middle

[leaden drift]

parkour

[hoary crag]

welp

[leaden drift]

u cant do it anymore

[hoary crag]

yeah that's fair lol

[leaden drift]

can get it from a share tho

[pulsar cypress]

H Factory.. XD

[unreal laurel]

whats the optimal 1.1 setup?

[quasi lynx]

only 3 lc battery usage now, is there any point you guys build sc battery ?

[prime pendant]

Hellooo
Did you update for the new stuff yet?

[leaden drift]

technically better power

[prime pendant]

Trading i suppose

[leaden drift]

next Sub pac will need it

[hoary crag]

though facilities could still be shared, right?

[leaden drift]

ye

if on NA EU i can share

[hoary crag]

I'm on asia sadly 😭

[quasi lynx]

they cant keep up with it

[near bough]

is there a point in earning valley bills when ur maxed out on aic and pac upgrades?

[prime pendant]

Soon tho, that's pretty close

[hoary crag]

my current (right) vs my 4 reactor (left) sc wuling battery line

currently working on the 4 reactor line and it's almost done, but my ocd is not happy with me having to move that grinding unit one tile left

[prime pendant]

At lvl 3 i mean

[marble yarrow]

you can buy a lot using bills

[forest condor]

Arknights: Endfield Blueprint Sharing Code: EFO01eE7O3223747oAi8. Copy it and use it in the game.

cuprium gearing sharing code is NA

[quasi lynx]

once i dont produce components anymore, than its sc battery ontop fpr selling, with the same energy output

[real crescent]

we mourn the loss of our great friend ardelia

[leaden drift]

inddeed

[quasi lynx]

when these are max and i dont switch to yazhen spring A, i cant produce sc battery right ?

or is there a trick to get infinite sewer water, like a sewer river

[silent karma]

How many output nodes of cuprium are allowed at 120 per minute?

6?

[real crescent]

outpost node?

if you mean depot unloader, 4

[wispy grove]

4

[silent karma]

thats not many

[ancient charm]

well you can dedicate an entire subpac to cuprium/sewer storage

[quasi lynx]

sub aic is empty when i move the buildings to main aic

[solid silo]

Can you slow down output rate with only one transport belt?

[ancient charm]

then store stuff in subpac for more capacity, i mean eventually it'll max out but it gives more buffer, then you can do stuff like manual deletion, aka mass delete then place back using blueprints to clear out the refined cuprium

[quasi lynx]

how can i make blueprints as big i want

[ancient charm]

its not automated but its the closest you can get to infinite sewage

[uneven aspen]

is this fine for 20-20 xiranite split to the 2 reactors on the bottom?

[quasi lynx]

got lucky that i cramped buildings by alot

only need to remove outer pipes and thats it

[sand pivot]

thank gryphline for the underground pipes, no more mess in my PAC

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/956086663447207956/1464234950537515072/yessir_glory_to_gryphline-1.png?ex=6974ba90&is=69736910&hm=4e7cebf61abe3d2e11448ecf02a00074631aca61929466313822e28fb625cd2f&

[prime pendant]

Niceee
Are you rebuilding the whole Wuling area?

[prime pendant]

Shut up

[silent karma]

is it possible to make 12 sc wuling bats per minute?

aka can the originium keep up

[marble yarrow]

yeah

you can mine 480/min of originium now

[prime pendant]

Deam fr?

[silent karma]

oh right cuz of the minral purity increase

I forgor

[quasi lynx]

i did already, let me send before and after, it took 27hours in total to rework everything

[astral spade]

what to do after maxing all outposts?

[prime pendant]

Omll that's alotta time
Sure sure, take your time

[uneven aspen]

had to do the teleport trick to make conduits 😔

[quasi lynx]

2 screenshots total 17hours

and didnt screenshot launch day

[glad needle]

i mean you have to

[prime pendant]

Another 10+ hours?

[quasi lynx]

it was more since it was 1.1 release but there was playing new content aswell

no, there is a odd number of sky forge allowed or do i have to remove the sun aic skyforge first

[prime pendant]

Hmmm I'm not sure
I thought the limit was 2, did they increase it?

[quasi lynx]

yeah we have 4 intotal now

[pulsar steeple]

Holy, i was gone for 2 days right after the update day, i am lost on what to do

[ancient charm]

just upgrade outpost to lvl 3 first before starting building the new production lines

trust

[pulsar steeple]

beside?

like what to produce

and transfer

[rose tartan]

All four forges won't fit in Sky King Sub-PAC will they

Can I even put them there LMAO

[golden sapphire]

what the fuck suisei

[marble yarrow]

you can

[ancient charm]

SC Wuling and the new Yazhen

[unreal laurel]

whats the ideal output for wuling now?

[rose tartan]

now begs the question if I should

[ancient charm]

still looking for a compact all in one production line

[quasi lynx]

guys i bricked my blueprint,i copied it with pumps and cant place it main aic cause the pumps arent in water, now i cant put it back to deselect pumps and make a new blueprint, do i have to rebuild again or is there a hotkey to deselect parts in blueprint

[rose tartan]

bruh

[golden sapphire]

yeah

[golden sapphire]

you gotta remake i t

[ancient charm]

its completely bricked

[quasi lynx]

That is so bad, its already 3am and almost didnt sleep for 24hours

[hoary crag]

I'm very hurt 😭

I spent like 2 hours trying to get it down to 4 reactors, turns out trying to make liquid xiranite and xircon in one reactor actually exceeds its capacity

[wispy grove]

bro chill with the factory

[quasi lynx]

these 2 pumps bricked me

[pulsar cypress]

Btw, anyone have afk placement for the lvl3 outpost defense thing?

[small creek]

no cuprium parts? 🥀

[ancient charm]

thats under yazhen a

[small creek]

its not

thats just 120 cuprium from ore

[ancient charm]

you cant produce yazhen a without cuprium parts

[small creek]

Im talking about 12.5/min cuprium parts from metatransfer

Does bro really think idk abt yazhenA formula

[ancient charm]

then actually specify bruh

[small creek]

I mean the person i replied to to knows

[marble yarrow]

i specifically didnt meta-transfer 12.5/min cuprium

[hoary crag]

gave up on the 4 reactor setup after realizing it was impossible after all

I'll work on components later ig

[small creek]

Is it actually less profit than ferrium or u js dont wanna bother lmao

[earnest steeple]

If you use cuprium for stock bills you get less stock bills per transfer capacity than ferrium.

[lusty violet]

its like 45% less bills or so

[small creek]

i see

good thing im doing comp then

[torpid sandal]

Hello! Is this the correct way of splitting the xiranite usage? I turn off one and split it for gears?

[earnest steeple]

Cuz A is like 22, and C is 15. And you only transfer half as much cuprium.

[marble yarrow]

also, i rather not place extra facility for that excess 12.5 cuprium

since 120 already runs at 100%

[unreal laurel]

2.75.....

wtf

55yazhen setup....

wtf are we on

what happens to xiranite btw?

is it used in cuprium?

[marble yarrow]

30 ferrium ore + 25 ferrium meta-transfer

[crimson inlet]

why is discord lagging?

nvm, it got fixed

[small creek]

wait i think your ferrium is wrong

[willow beacon]

can reaction chambers use their own outputs for more recipes or do i need to pipe an output back into an input

[small creek]

nvm what 2.75??

I misread as 5.75

wtf is this

[marble yarrow]

55 ferrium = 2.75 yazhen C

[small creek]

Yeah that is true

[marble yarrow]

this config

[small creek]

I have a similar config rn but 2.25/min for 45/min ferrite

[marble yarrow]

its good to import Cuprium parts if you are producing Components as well

[small creek]

the other 45 supposedly goes to batteries

[marble yarrow]

however ferrium still goat

[willow beacon]

any knowers

like can i just input both water and sewage into a chamber and it does the rest

[marble yarrow]

you planning to mix its own liquid xiranite to sewage?

[willow beacon]

or do i straight up need 2 chambers

[small creek]

yea i fkn thought so 🥀

[willow beacon]

yea

[small creek]

thanks for the calcs, ill copy the ferrium one when i have time

[marble yarrow]

however reactor can only fit 5 items

[small creek]

and scrap my cuprium..

[willow beacon]

i don't think that should be an issue

[lusty violet]

u only have 2 liquid outputs

[marble yarrow]

you cannot fit 6 items into this

6 items being:

water
xiranite
liquid xiranite
sewage
inert xircon effluent
xircon effluent

[willow beacon]

oh the inert

bruh

that's stupid but whatever

[hushed blaze]

What would happen if you output xiranite liquid back to same reactor crucible-

[willow beacon]

exact same issue, most likely

[marble yarrow]

well it just accumulates inside

[torpid sandal]

Elpp

[marsh inlet]

How many hydro mining rigs can be powered by 1 pump?

[civic bone]

3

[willow beacon]

3

[marsh inlet]

Perfect

Theres 6 nodes yey

2 pumps

[marble yarrow]

1 pump:

3 high purity
2 high 2 low
1 high 4 low
6 low

depends on purity

[marsh inlet]

So 1 should cover 3 at all purities?

[marble yarrow]

coz high purity consumes 1/3 while low consumes 1/6

[hoary crag]

I tried combining liquid xiranite and xircon reactor for a 4 reactor setup, turns out it's straight up impossible 😭

xiranite
ferrium powder

water
liquid xiranite
xircon effluent

xircon
sewage

[marble yarrow]

yeah. but i mix and match for efficiency

[rough gazelle]

do you guys find a clean way to do this?
thse fluid pipe is uncontrollable man

[marble yarrow]

i use 2 pumps for 7 or 8 spots

[marble yarrow]

my whole wuling is hydro powered

[hoary crag]

I integrated mine into the sc wuling battery line

[hoary crag]

wait hydro rigs work on them as well?

[willow beacon]

wait let me turn it on so you can see sewage better

[marble yarrow]

yeah

[willow beacon]

does that help

[marble yarrow]

1 reactor = 1 treatment

due to speed

1 every 2s

[willow beacon]

just connect to conduit, ratio works out perfectly

[willow beacon]

then you can take the excess wherever you want

[rough gazelle]

these one is clean

[glad needle]

i have done it

the endgame that gryphline promised 5000 years ago

[marble yarrow]

wanna see mine

[glad needle]

sure

[marble yarrow]

ultimate cursed pipelaying

[small creek]

@marble yarrow would u happen to have calculations for cuprium vs ferrite metatransfer with 0.75/min cuprium components?

[marble yarrow]

cursed ratio if you do lmao

[wispy grove]

how tf do you make 9.75 without clogging?

[pulsar cypress]

Why taking water from far if there's many close by?

[small creek]

wow its still worse

[glad needle]

i have to split the water

[marble yarrow]

so you dont use extra pump

[glad needle]

so it only take 2 pumps between those ores

[small creek]

thanks btw haruna

[pulsar cypress]

Ah.. Me lazy, so just place 1 pump for 3 mines..
Since they will be high purity later on also..

[marble yarrow]

@glad needle

[glad needle]

dude

you know we have conduits right?

[marble yarrow]

this doesnt cost protocol capacity

[glad needle]

i mean

i still have this much

how much left do you have

[marble yarrow]

because i put many things surrounding my base lmaooo

[glad needle]

[teal spindle]

i hit the 512 build hard limit long before the 350 limit

[analog elbow]

My decision of making Yahzen C is correct then

[marble yarrow]

true

[marble yarrow]

so we can store more SC

also if you produce more than 6 yazhen A, you need extra facility which might not be worth it

while your current yazhen c can scale

[hushed blaze]

Conduit construct cost cuprium components.
Man i need more conduits-

[mortal meteor]

is the ferrium Ore Vein in Wuling only one?

[analog elbow]

Yes

[glad needle]

wait how do you extend those pipes?

[marble yarrow]

splitter

[teal spindle]

How are you guys at Outpost Prosperity Level 3 already in Wuling?

[marble yarrow]

when you reach pipe limit, stop and add splitter

[glad needle]

right

[teal spindle]

it takes forever to level up for me

[hushed blaze]

Splitter or converger works.

[marble yarrow]

we stopped trading outpost 3 days before patch

[mortal meteor]

having only 1 Ferrium Ore vein is nuts

[marble yarrow]

i went outpost lv3 immediately when i logged in

coz i stored 1.2m

[kindred raptor]

Idea:Bottled sewage water

[glad needle]

i hope they wont fix this

funny splitter could extend ts

[teal spindle]

uhh yeah, didn't think to do that haha.

i forgot outpost prosperity leveling was a thing

[earnest steeple]

even if you stored, you're still story-blocked.

[marble yarrow]

yeah for 30 minutes

then i balled

[hushed blaze]

Do you often use belt control unit and pipe control?

[marble yarrow]

better than people still lvl2 now 😭

double speed RIP

[analog elbow]

I changed the Outpost operator to Lifeng

[marble yarrow]

aight today is a good day not to teleport other's orders

[glad needle]

i actually impressed by how wellmade gryphline make pipe system

how tf you make water visual and weird shapes of pipes

[hushed blaze]

How to let other players deliver goods tho-

[marble yarrow]

@analog elbow 73k or nah?

[marble yarrow]

you pack your stuff, then go to quest menu and transfer it

[glad needle]

yes, this is the most unlimited water source in this entire game

the shallowest water

[marble yarrow]

real

[lament turtle]

If you no want water, put it back.

[marble yarrow]

ballin

[glad needle]

i got 3 79k at 3 am

[hushed blaze]

At least its better than taking 40k full of water

[marble yarrow]

blessed

[hushed blaze]

Are deliveries sometimes depend on luck where you get way less than usual?

[teal spindle]

how do you unlock the third outpost property?

[analog elbow]

Trade

[earnest steeple]

Trade until xp bar fills up

[analog elbow]

Kept trading until it reached lvl 3

Then switch back to Wulfgard

[lusty violet]

tangtang has all 3 properties

[analog elbow]

Except you have TangTang ofc

[lament turtle]

If it’s your delivery and not some randos you picked up, you control the amount by how big, how full and who you choose to sell it to. The buyers are ring who will pay how much, but it’s always at least one max.
Only way to get less than max is do things you’re not supposed to along the way or not fill it.

[frail trail]

How much stockbill does lvl 3 wuling outpost make? Don't have it upgraded yet

[lusty violet]

36288/h

[teal spindle]

there's an xp bar?

[frail trail]

Prosperity level

[lusty violet]

they were referring to outpost prosperity. Outpost property for operators does not change

[teal spindle]

i thought it was separate from the prosperity level

[vast summit]

[earnest steeple]

You're not guaranteed to have one max. You randomly get bids, and there's 3 price points. Usually you can get the highest ones, but someones you only get second highest. I've never had it where you only get the lowest one, but i think it depends on how many NPCs you've unlocked. Obviously, always put in the super fragile and biggest box.

[lament turtle]

I’ve never seen one that didn’t have a max choice.

[distant sphinx]

is there an roi for meta transferring cuprium from V4 to wuling

it is a 2 cost for reference

[quasi lynx]

facility must grow, took over an hour just because you couldnt edit blueprint, that was messed up

[small creek]

TLDR ferrite > cuprium

[distant sphinx]

I have not reached Outpost level 3 so I can't value the new items

[somber snow]

no, im takin my time through the story

[wispy grove]

have you seen my SC battery blueprint?

[civic yacht]

is it one pump per hydro mining rig or can I do two per pump?

[quasi lynx]

i dont think so or cant remember, would you show it

dont know anymore who it was who suggest an almost infinite sewer farm in sub aic

[shell hinge]

One pump per 3 mining on rich

[pulsar cypress]

1 pump = 3 high purity mining..
1 high purity = 2 low one..

[shell hinge]

Should I make a clean base design bp just to spread the overflow priority splitter system?

Soooooo many people are not utilizing priority or downthrottling safe designs

[pulsar cypress]

[shell hinge]

Routing sewage from cuprium directly into effluent reactors will slow down cuprium when you divert xiranite to components

[pulsar cypress]

I want cute design with flower garden, gazebo and pond..

[quasi lynx]

huh ? what you even do when components are max out

[wispy grove]

oh that goes to syringe

[wispy grove]

i stop farming components

i already have 4k of it

[shell hinge]

As I've told you before, that merely limits your losses, it does not prevent them.

[solid python]

Why farm components when you don't need any of the gear it's used for?

[shell hinge]

You don't use any gold gear?

[solid python]

I haven't needed any of the red components

[shell hinge]

All gold gear uses xiranite

[quasi lynx]

1 more day and its maxed

[civic yacht]

so even if they are low still set up one pump per 3 spots

[shell hinge]

What causes the slowdown in naive designs is consuming xiranite for components, not cuprium

[solid python]

I've been capped on the non red since 1.0

[pulsar cypress]

If u lazy to change it later on when the purity increase..

[shell hinge]

If you never plan to cap out on batteries or produce components, then you can use naive designs np

It only matters if your battery production falls below 12/min for any reason

Making components is just the most likely cause

[wispy grove]

my take is just farm components first, you dont need to max storage it, just make enough to use it for artificing or gear.

[shell hinge]

That's just losing a limited amount, not avoiding loss

[wispy grove]

then after that you can just remove comp factory totaly

[pulsar cypress]

If not, u can swap2 and calculate, 1 pump :
3 high
2 high + 2 low
1 high + 4 low
6 low

The options at max use..

[wispy grove]

then make another battery factory

[small creek]

I wanna max storage it

who cares abt extra batteries, the outpost cant even take them

[civic yacht]

we only hav 8 total nodes tho right

[quasi lynx]

everything in 1 aic, looks so nice

[solid python]

I think it'll take more once we level it up

[small creek]

ofc it will

but rn u can still outrun outpost and make comps at the same time

[shell hinge]

I'm in a similar boat, I run component production non-stop at a low lvl, so I max out the outpost. That is the prime case for priority flow designs, as you will not be maxing out battery production for a long period of time

[small creek]

js like previous version

[small creek]

Hell yea

[prime pendant]

Fair fair
Enjoy your time

[cyan forge]

Hm... If i've made all the battery n yazhen shringe i need and still have a ton of originium leftover, what should i use it for?

[small creek]

power

put it raw in thermal bank, saves u batteries

[cyan forge]

[shell hinge]

You can sustain maxing out outpost and maxing out weekly artificing catalyst limits at the same time afaik

[small creek]

or… xiranite components

[cyan forge]

That makes sense

[cyan forge]

I don't have xiranite leftover

So yeah, i think power makes the most sense

Imma do that l8r

[dull shard]

what do we transfer from metastorage now that we hit new cap?

[small creek]

I have a xiranite depot split between cuprium and xiranite comp

So i can freely switch when i want lol

[pulsar cypress]

New ore one yess..
But hydro drill can be used for every ore in wuling, less energy consumption to the factory..

So peps swap all the origin and ferri also to hydro drill..

[cyan forge]

I do too but am not makin gear comp rn

No reason ro

I made plenty of comp alr

[shell hinge]

12/min batteries should consume all your originium. If you are producing less batteries, you can dump the originium into thermal banks. Thing is, that only matters if you tweak your battery throttling to take advantage of the originium power, so it's a pain to do in practice

[cyan forge]

Imma make an optimized originium power ih

[wispy grove]

i use xyranite left overs for my components. i dont like letting component factory exist when i dont need it.

[shell hinge]

Why aren't you at max battery production if you aren't making components?

[cyan forge]

I have leftover cos prior to this update, i alr had alot of stash. Then the update come n i redid my factory but took break inbetween so the originium piled up

It's at 120/120 basically but with 6k in stock

[hoary crag]

that looks really cool ngl

[shell hinge]

Oh, you can just let it sit then. No reason to deplete it for a one time gain

[cyan forge]

60k*

[slim moat]

is a deadlock basically inevitable once you back up on cupurium stuff to produce?

[shell hinge]

You'd have to manually adjust your power before and after for it to make a difference

[cyan forge]

I want to deplete it. It kept dropping my yield to 108/min

[cyan forge]

Am alr optimizing my battery usage

[shell hinge]

That sounds like a consumption issue. Are you making 12/min batteries?

[nova osprey]

no, pwm with water treatment unit

wait

[cyan forge]

Mite as well add a lil reassurance

[nova osprey]

nvm

yes

[quasi lynx]

Thanks, took forever to set it up

[nova osprey]

other way around ig

[cyan forge]

Ye

[shell hinge]

Sell syringes first to avoid this

[cyan forge]

It's cos i was tweaking my factory

[shell hinge]

Have you let your factory run for a while?

It should stabilize

[slim moat]

yeah, but basically your base is dead if you're away for a week

[cyan forge]

The line got interrupted a lil and now the originiumnus overflowing

[shell hinge]

You would need to optimize it very precisely to see any benefit from originium power

[cyan forge]

I know it is stable alr

[pulsar cypress]

The question is.. If the orig output tweaked, it produced less battery..
The sewage pumped will be more than used right?
It will clogged..

Then clogging the source, like syringe plant..
Then the syringe production also clogged.. Producing less syringe?

[cyan forge]

Meh, +50/every few minute is prolly good enuf

I used that in my old factory b4 i took everything down

[shell hinge]

Priority flow solves this issue

[cyan forge]

Hm actually...

Since am at 3.49k power use

I can just slap 2 originium battery huh

[shell hinge]

What I mean is that if your current system consumes say 5000 power and is clocked to produce 5000 power from batteries, then adding 50 originium power does nothing unless you adjust battery power to 4950. You won't have saved any batteries otherwise

[cyan forge]

[mental gate]

I did it

[cyan forge]

I know

I understand what u meant, dw

[slim moat]

how do you do flow priority?

[pulsar cypress]

Just change all the orig and ferrium drill to hydro one..
It should go down below 3.4 ig..
Easiest solution..

[cyan forge]

Alr did tho?

R ppl's factory under 3.4k rn? After update

[pulsar cypress]

Oofff.. Still have high consumption..

Im at 3.2k rn iirc..

[cyan forge]

I mean, 3.49k isn't that high

[civic yacht]

are u guys using the conduit inlet and outlet for the 2 ore node?

[shell hinge]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1481916618408726589

[lofty comet]

atp what are you even producing ??!??!?!?

[cyan forge]

I have 2 bats, 1 yazhen A, 1 yazhen c, 2 cup parts rn cos am trying to deplete my cuprium

[shell hinge]

That layout uses overflow splitters to achieve soft priority flow

[pulsar cypress]

Im only using it for place that far from water, so no long pipes traveling.. XD
Whether it's many node or only 2..

[cyan forge]

I should be at abt 3.45k if i take down the cuprium part

[shell hinge]

Meanwhile I'm using around 4.55k power lol

I don't much care about power usage, it's not enough to make a difference

[pulsar cypress]

Kinda high, not sure what difference..

Mine is :
4 forge xyranite
12 new batt
6 syringe a
3 syringe c

[cyan forge]

4 forge is a given tho

[shell hinge]

3 syringe c? Do you mean 2.75?

[cyan forge]

Ye should be 2.75

Am runnin the same setup basically

[bright knoll]

am i allowed to use water pipes in valley 4 yet

[small creek]

nope

stay high and dry

[pulsar cypress]

Not sure.. 30 ferrium + bottle from meta..
Never count the bottle ratio..

[solid python]

I use it wherever I don't want to make Xiranite pylons

[silent violet]

dont give them ideas

[small creek]

can someone pass me the xiranite sniff

[solid python]

200 meters is a huge distance

[shell hinge]

It's 2.75 if you metatransfer ferrium ore. If you transfer bottles and don't also produce bottles in wuling, it's 2.5

[small creek]

Xiranite lines fuck yeah

[shell hinge]

That's why metatransfering parts/bottles is kinda pointless, you either lose throughput or produce them in wuling anyway

[civic yacht]

doesnt the fluid pump still need pylons tho

[shell hinge]

Conduits use zero power

[solid python]

Only the pump needs a pylon. So you can place it 200m away from a mine as long as there's water.

[shell hinge]

Pretty sure you can chain conduits no?

[mental gate]

6 bat
3 cuprium comp
3 xir comp
6 syringe A
6 syringe c

[shell hinge]

So unlimited distance without power

[mental gate]

4 forge xir

i could change to have it 12 batteries

but i want relics

[solid python]

Chaining conduits uses protocol capacity though

[shell hinge]

How is 3 cuprium comp and 6 syringe a possible?

[novel herald]

Cause batt only 6

[shell hinge]

Batteries don't actually consume cuprium

[civic yacht]

ah i see I was confused I assumed it was bluetooth for some reason

[dull shard]

also do we have a PWM config for the new battery?

[shell hinge]

6 syringe a should eat 120 cuprium, which is all of it

[novel herald]

Right.....

[shell hinge]

Leaving none for cuprium comps

[slim moat]

is it better to do liquid xianrite and effluent or effulent and xircon in a single crucible

[mental gate]

wait is this for theorhetical

[shell hinge]

I don't think you can do two processes in one machine no?

[novel herald]

U cannot

[mental gate]

just so im not tripping

[brazen seal]

how many cuprium jincao driinks can u have at max?

[mental gate]

thats what i have so far

[shell hinge]

Are you not clocking power?

[mental gate]

no

ive had it running for hours

[lusty violet]

6/min, but you cant trade teas in so make yazhen a

[mental gate]

in fact have like overflow of batteries rn

[shell hinge]

Just be aware that you make less than half of what's needed to buy out the outpost

[dull shard]

do you run some pwm setup for power or just plug and play

[mental gate]

pwm?

[wise wagon]

Is this the max you can get?

[brazen seal]

alr so thats 12 planting setts?

[viscid plover]

compact

[dull shard]

that whole pwoer maangement setup where the delivery is delayed and your power dips then recharges again kind of

[mental gate]

no

its like consistently powered

[lusty violet]

uh.. you only need 1 planter 1 seeder and that's already 2x more than needed

[shell hinge]

🙏 Please add priority flow so your cuprium never slows down

[viscid plover]

huh i dont get it what

please elaborate

[brazen seal]

wdym? isnt a planter gonna give like 1 per set?

[lusty violet]

by 12 planting sets, are you saying 12 sets of 1 planter 1 seeder?

[brazen seal]

yeah

[mental gate]

here is xircon

[brazen seal]

how many plants can 1 planting set give then

[lusty violet]

you only need 0.25 yazhen/s for 6/min syringe

[shell hinge]

This is the layout of a priority flow system. 2/s of sewage from the top tank will be sent first to the four reactors, up to max throughput. Any excess will be sent to the right treatment plant. This ensures that no matter what your battery production is, your cuprium will never slow down due to sewage backing up

[viscid plover]

look fine on report but i do like to hear what you mean
geniunely confused

[mental gate]

what the shit

[fervent spoke]

done my battery line now and I hate it XD

[brazen seal]

waiit is the cuprium u ge only enough for 1yazhen facory

[elder flame]

So

[lusty violet]

yes

[fluid fog]

yup... one whole 6/m

[shell hinge]

If your battery production drops below the max of 12/min, you will be consuming less sewage for batteries. Since cuprium sewage is fed directly into effluent reactors, this will clog the cuprium refinement

[elder flame]

I have to figure out how to stuff 4 furnaces, 4 cuprium and 2 steel powder into the sub AIC

[brazen seal]

is that just one yazhen or 1 yazhen and cuprium battery

[novel herald]

I see gaps between unloader, not compact enough

[shell hinge]

I really need to make a post explaining priority flow and cuprium clogging in detail

[novel herald]

What's dat?

[lusty violet]

battery does not need cuprium directly, just sewage

[low fern]

is it 1 pump per 3 hydro rigs?

[elder flame]

I was thinking about it, but since the pipes are max 2 capacity, don’t I need two sets of 1.5/2

[fluid fog]

yes if its high yield.

[shell hinge]

#aic-factory message

[brazen seal]

alr so how many planting sets do i need for a xiranite factory

[shell hinge]

I handle this by looping the xircon sewage in after the 3rd reactor

[fluid fog]

though I already do 1 pump per 3 hydro rigs for future proff.

[elder flame]

Yeah I got that part

[shell hinge]

Technically you'd only need 2.5/s

[elder flame]

Or is that part just generally always net neutral

[lusty violet]

1 valley 4 set for sandleaf, 1 wuling for yazhen/jincao for 30/min xiranite

[elder flame]

So I don’t really have to care

[shell hinge]

I loop it to ensure the splitters remain in overflow

[novel herald]

Owww I see"

[elder flame]

But how does the pipe handle 2.5 flow if the cap is 2

[shell hinge]

You can run closed loop, it just carries some balancing failure conditions that make it not worth the hassle to save one pipe converger

[shell hinge]

You need a total of 2.5, but only ever 1 at a time

[novel herald]

We need 2.5?

[shell hinge]

In order to keep a splitter in overflow, you need to input 2x the max priority output. In the case of effluent reactors, 2x 0.5/s

[brazen seal]

wouldnt a single set of sandleaf only give 1.5/s while u need 2 for he xirnitte

[distant bear]

Mfw no more meta storage cuprium

Gg

[elder flame]

I read it as 1.5 split 3 ways will always give equal output until overflow, in which case it’s 1.5 to purify

I saw your pipe flow but didn’t really get it tbh

[viscid plover]

ooowh i think you were concerned about here?

[shell hinge]

You can use 3 way splitters in overflow, I just chose the simpler layout of only 2 way splitters for the mockup

[fluid fog]

I try to make diagram about Xircon KEKW

[elder flame]

Also I don’t really remember how a closed loop from the third crucible fails

[novel herald]

Iirc we don't need water treatment for battery line.... or do we?

[viscid plover]

please do point out where is the point of concern for the setup because im a bit confused still

[brazen seal]

u can shred/refine jincao for carbon?

[elder flame]

Not after xircon is produced if that’s what you’re asking

[shell hinge]

I'll have to make a detailed explaination post tomorrow because it doesn't look like knowledge of overflow priority splitters is common yet. Most youtubers posting bases use naive designs with suboptimal throughput while producing components.

[elder flame]

Suboptimal in terms of design or production rate?

[fluid fog]

refine then shred.

[shell hinge]

Production rate

[slim moat]

is there some intended purpose of waste treating effulent

[novel herald]

As in the cuprium will clog?

[brazen seal]

so iitts possible to use wuling plants for carbon?

[vast iron]

i mean single closed loop designs should have autobalance, connecting the closed loop to the sewage doesnt do much

[novel herald]

Lemme recheck again.....

[fluid fog]

yes...

[elder flame]

Isn’t production rate easy, it’s the overflow prevention that’s a bit more complicated

[shell hinge]

At max battery production, your effluent reactors consume all the sewage from cuprium. However, if you start producing components, you will have less xiranite to make effluent and thus consume less sewage. Cuprium will then clog due to the sewage having nowhere else to go

[vast iron]

it is still a valid issue but i dont think you need to connect the closed loop

[slim moat]

its kinda sad that all the recipes are too big to pull off stacking multiple recipes in one crucible

[shell hinge]

I don't use a closed loop because that has some of its own problems. I use a priority flow that sends sewage to effluent first, treatment second

[fluid fog]

this is what looks like.

[elder flame]

Could you describe the problem

I’m curious about it too

[viscid plover]

ooooowh so you're concern on an assumption
got it. all good

[graceful otter]

Is there a way to slow down cleaning pipes? i tried this but fail to see difference

[novel herald]

Tag me when u post

[fluid fog]

why would you slow down? we dont have yet control valve system. even you make splitting technique, pipe physics is a bit different from conveyor.

[vast iron]

the thing with closed loop is if the producton speed slows down itl balance by making less from the closed loop, and since fluid that slows the closed loop itself there are 2 cases. either the external input slows down proportionally or the loop just clogs more. both cases can be fixed without connecting the loop to the external sewage input

[graceful otter]

i dont have enough xiranite for bots SC and gear so sewage got clogged all the time for Yazhen A

[merry wagon]

anyone knows what's the maximum sustainable production rate for yazhen syringe A and SC wuling batteries?

[graceful otter]

but if i set cleaning one it just take all sewage instead of reactors

[distant bear]

Muh cuprium parts

[shell hinge]

For closed loops, the issue is that each xircon requires two effluent reactors. An imbalance can thus force more sewage into the closed loop until it clogs. It's not a huge issue, but it's also easily avoidable with priority flow

[brazen seal]

how many sandleaf powder do u get per planting set

[crimson inlet]

why are we saving space on water treatment 🥀 🥀

[fluid fog]

then just make a directional flow. or excess dump system.

[vast iron]

since if batteries clog itl make the zircon loop slower, the external set is always fully full on sewage while the closed loop reactor gets 1 sewage per processed zircon. this means that the closed loop zircon is the one that slows down first when batteries clog. meaning if your battery doesnt drop below a certain % threshold it wouldnt even affect the external loop

[shell hinge]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1481916618408726589
That's a link to a bp using priority flow, you can copy it

[young jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDVhwkPUL6M is there a bug with metastorage transfer? how is this guy able to transfer cuprium parts from valley 4 to wuling

[shell hinge]

That's the other benefit of priority flow, it can handle any level of production from zero to max

Apparently it was a bug that's been patched

It wasn't worth doing anyway

[vast iron]

if it does drop to 0 i still doubt connecting closed loop is necessary tho

p sure its just unecesarry

[shell hinge]

It's very much a case of benefits with no real downside

It's just some splitters after all

[vast iron]

well i mean i dont think the closed loop is ever the cause of the clogging

it just doesnt happen

[elder flame]

I don’t get how the closed loop adding up to 2.5 flow fits in a 2 pipe

[viscid plover]

im actually running 3 setup here because i had 300k xirang saved up before 1.1 patch

[elder flame]

Or is it downstream

They’re handled at different times

[viscid plover]

im just burning them asap

[vast iron]

closed loop is the one which slows down first when battery production slows

[shell hinge]

Closed loop can solve cuprium clogging, if used together with partial priority flow. It just has its own edge cases that can be avoided with full priority flow

[hoary crag]

I have to reduce my yahzen A efficiency to 75% if I were to make components at 50%, right?

[shell hinge]

Not if you're making xiranite comps

[novel herald]

Components at 9%

[hoary crag]

making both cuprium and xiranite components

[viscid plover]

as long you don't slow down then its a non issue
i dont do the split for component
always run on full production on every facility

[elder flame]

I don’t really get a 2.5 flow but I understand two 1.5 flows

[shell hinge]

Cuprium comps will inherently slow down yazhen a due to consuming some cuprium

[hoary crag]

yeah

[harsh spear]

Guys, I was dumb enough to forget to save items to sell to lvl wuling outpost to 3, do you guys got any blueprint to get a lot of battery so I can level it up?

[brave arch]

I have a lot of things because i just came back to the game. How do i stash my items?

[elder flame]

Just duplicate what you already have

[novel herald]

Sc or lc?

[elder flame]

It would be LC

[harsh spear]

LC, I can't sell SC still

[hoary crag]

I've like, swapped out my second sc wuling battery line for the components (both xiranite and cuprium)

[shell hinge]

2.5 flow never happens. It's just a representation of total flow. Max is 2

[hoary crag]

I also hate that I have to swap my generator whenever I switch them back and forth as well

[lyric whale]

Am I the only one that really doesn’t like the Wuling factory stuff? This crap gets way too overwhelming and confusing.

[fluid fog]

here's mine, if I fully utilize it. I put water storage if there will be overflow or server desync. But in your case you don't fully utilize your sewage. then you can split 2/second pipe into 1/second to sc then 1/second to waste treatment.

[elder flame]

But they all go into the same line, so do they split earlier or something

[novel herald]

That's the fun part bro

[vast iron]

nah, its basically just your design but with a closed loop, the closed loop is self regulated since the amount it produces is proportional to the speed of the battery gen while the external is fixed. the closed loop shouldnt be ever clogging because the output of effluent zircon never exceeds 1 which means it cant ever stockpile more zircon than it uses, especially considering input alternating. the only concern for clogging should be the sewage from cuprium which can be solved with the splitter design, but involving the inner closed fluid circuit is just unecessary complexity

[young jungle]

bump; does anyone know if this is a bug to be able to transfer cuprium parts from valley IV to wuling

[elder flame]

No

[fluid fog]

noe its not, its a gimmick

[vast iron]

no clue ngl

[lyric whale]

It’s not. 😭 all this factory stuff starting to drive me crazy! 🤣🤣

[vast iron]

its weird

[young jungle]

wth how do you do it

[elder flame]

Who cares just do it

[vast iron]

just switch metatransfer to it idk

[young jungle]

i tried it doesn't show up in my metatransfer list

[fluid fog]

it actually outsmarting the system using regional transfer.

[distant bear]

They removed it

[fluid fog]

oh they fix it?

[elder flame]

?

[low fern]

the new conduits are great

[young jungle]

they patched this shit or what

LOL

[shell hinge]

I don't use any closed loops though?

[novel herald]

Manually bring the parts to valley, start transfering using metastorage

[elder flame]

So if I already did it, is it still working

[fluid fog]

you need actually put number in Valley 4 depot

[viscid plover]

its still there

[vast iron]

yes, im saying that breaking the closed loop is unecessary

[shell hinge]

As I've said before, it fixes some edge cases with imbalanced reactors while costing nothing

[young jungle]

maybe i have to relog or something?

[vast iron]

reactors cant ever be unbalanced because of alternate input

[shell hinge]

They can due to their own inputs

[vast iron]

no, because the clog source is the zircon. one side is matched with 1/2 the use speed and the other is constantly clogged. so both pipes always have fluids and will alternate

[novel herald]

Hmmmm

Can anyone make a detailed flow chart for this?

[vast iron]

your main reason for making this is a clog in the battery output after all

[shell hinge]

It happened twice during my testing, despite the system being fully stable after manually unclogging it. I decided to avoid the issue by just not using closed loops

[vast iron]

give an example of "unablanced reactors"

[shell hinge]

As I've also said before, closed loop does solve battery production slowdowns if used properly

Due to discrete fluid flow, you can unequally starve reactors resulting in imbalanced reactors

This is most common in startup/shutdown

[marsh inlet]

This recipie being 4 to 1 is brutal for space efficiency, unless im just ass at making lines for dense powder this feels misrable lol

[vast iron]

starve doesnt matter if the reactor with zircon output is clogged

thats a thing

[shell hinge]

It can be manually fixed easily enough ofc, but that's a pain to have to consider

Imbalanced reactors has nothing to do with xircon clogging. It's a separate issue

[vast iron]

stuff like this is the kind that fixes itself over time

[shell hinge]

I tested it that, it never fixed itself

[vast iron]

where else can it possibly clog

[viscid plover]

ill run it for a few day and see if that happens, i dont think it will since im running 100% on all facility and not pulling resources out to make other stuff

[fluid fog]

well yeah, its hard to make space efficient. here's mine.

[crimson inlet]

tangtang when the moment I sell all my batteries to the stockade
-# picture source: @KaitZitt

[thorny latch]

hey, can y'all double check my math for me rq?

[shell hinge]

From what I saw, it is most likely due to discrete fluid flow during startup/shutdown, when flow is not in a steady state yet

[thorny latch]

I have two high purity and one low purity mining rig

[marsh inlet]

How do u have enough xiranite to supply 2 lines of it?

[thorny latch]

is it possible to power all three with one pump?

[vast iron]

can you give a concrete example because i dont have a solid idea of what you mean

[marsh inlet]

Are you legit making only batteries or like

[thorny latch]

I'm starting up cuprium processing and just wanna make sure I'm not biffing the math

[vast iron]

if you mean it doesnt ramp up properly, the xiranite is always 100% eff, the first sewage input is always 100% eff, so left side is always 100% eff. meaning zircon is at least 50%, so that would make it self-rampable and shouldnt have issues

no clue what this "corner case" youre talking about is

[fluid fog]

we get extra forge right? or you talking about making gear the same time? I just underclock gear making to 1/m if you talking about that one.

[shell hinge]

Since machines clog as soon as output is full, the xircon reactor can fill up with sewage. If that happens, it cannot consume any effluent to free space for the closed loop reactor to consume sewage

[viscid plover]

second that

[marsh inlet]

Im also in an awkward predicament of needing to remove my current battery line in order to redo the entire area but im afraid of running out of battery to run everything before I can get the new one up and running because the liquid stuff seems complicated (dont tell me how I want the suffering)

[marsh inlet]

OHHHH wait, do the splitters limit the rate of xira being spent???

Thats honestly genius, never wouldve thought to do that

[thorny latch]

bump for my math question: I have two high purity hydrominers and one low purity. can one pump supply all of them with no interruptions?

[vast iron]

yes

[slim moat]

does all the priority output stuff actually matter if you just ratio everything properly? With current production volumes it'd take a few days before stuff gets backed up

[thorny latch]

BANGER. thanks!

[elder flame]

One pump can always supply 3

[white dune]

hey guys, thoughts on this?

[thorny latch]

high purity I assume?

[marsh inlet]

Do you have a similar setup for the other kind of components? Or have you just dropped them?

[elder flame]

Low purity just counts for 0.5

[fluid fog]

yeah, I use splitter to limit the transfer rate.

[viscid plover]

hmmm okay so when i was moving my facility earlier i notice one thing is that the closed loop actually run out of sewage before the one with primary input
i think your theory is inherently wrong there

[shell hinge]

From my testing, I'm fairly sure closed loop is safe in steady state

[viscid plover]

yea same

[fluid fog]

I have future proof space like this one.