aic-factory

[analog elbow]

Building on your own is fun tho unless you're not really into that

[sudden night]

I tried it yesterday

Failed so badly

[somber snow]

for ur sub pacs, u can have them like this if ud like

[analog elbow]

[sudden night]

That I'm not gonna even try

[dense wyvern]

[analog elbow]

So you're on asia

[sudden night]

Yes

[dense wyvern]

At least you tried.

And that's what matters.

[exotic lynx]

Does anyone have any blue prints for efficiency for a factory that’s not yet fully lv up
(I need credits to lv but don’t have any)

[sudden night]

I can show the mess i created

[analog elbow]

Show us

We have seen worse

[dense wyvern]

It's hard unless we know where you are in the game.

Have you unlocked valley outposts yet?

[exotic lynx]

Yeh

[analog elbow]

Oh wait i have to do Characters Story mission

[dense wyvern]

Alright. First thing you should check in what does your valley outposts accept.

[dense wyvern]

If your outposts are low level sometimes they don't take high tier stuff.

[dense wyvern]

So making the high tier stuff from the get go might not be the way.

Oh they take HC buck A so that's fine.

What's your ore income?

Theoretical.

[marble yarrow]

how's your other outposts doing? and what levels

[sudden night]

Don't mind the graphics

Nothing is visible atp

[exotic lynx]

How do I figure out that

[dense wyvern]

AIC Report.

[exotic lynx]

I only have the outpost and the main one unlocked
Not sure on how to unlock other

[real crescent]

today i learned its possible to place a zipline in a spot but not be allowed to use it

[dense wyvern]

First things first.

Go put more automated mining machines on the ore nodes.

[exotic lynx]

Okk, does it matter which ore

[sudden night]

Here's my AIC report as well

[dense wyvern]

Put on all that you can find.

[fluid igloo]

Just get all
Not enuf anyways

[dense wyvern]

Production of stuff to sell mainly relies on these ores.

[exotic lynx]

Okk

After that?

[dense wyvern]

Which server are you on?

[exotic lynx]

Eu

[fluid igloo]

Then u have enuf supply to start factory production
Ores are the rawest materials for all

[dense wyvern]

Aw. Can't share blueprint orz.

[sudden night]

Get all ores
Took me a week to do everything
Worth it

[sudden night]

@analog elbow

[marble yarrow]

you have unlocked many ore spots, but not using them as much

[sudden night]

I don't have a proper factory
That's why I came here

[dense wyvern]

That's why they're here right?

[sudden night]

[dense wyvern]

I guess you can start with HC battery and SC battery.

Wait, looking at wrong one.

Just go HC.

[sudden night]

I created 5.3k HC batteries

[dense wyvern]

Just keep making them to sell.

[sudden night]

What about making a proper factory though

[sudden night]

Don't they sell the same as the Big med kits

[somber snow]

they do

the most you can produce is 18/min

[sudden night]

I'm selling the med kits
Not a good generation speed

[dense wyvern]

Then your med factory needs fixing.

[sudden night]

I'm trying to find a blueprint rn

[viscid plover]

make as many as your resource allow you to and keep progressing with your main quest until you unlock everything else

[dense wyvern]

I tend to make parts and final production on different lines so my plans aren't that good for people who wants all in one.

[sudden night]

Since I can't get gears for characters anyways rn
I'll focus on stock

[sudden night]

I'm done with Valley 4 main story

I tried no factory run and completed it

[viscid plover]

oh then find the rest of the ore nodes then

[sudden night]

But now I'm hard stuck cuz of no factory

[sudden night]

Done

All ore nodes have mines now

Was doing it this week

Developement level 11

[dense wyvern]

[viscid plover]

you really didn't tho

560 240 1080 is all nodes

[exotic lynx]

How do I get on top of this to get the ore

[dense wyvern]

You can get there from powering the jumper there or bomb in from the Quarry Map.

[exotic lynx]

Where is that

[somber snow]

near the exclamation mark

the 1 near the middle

[viscid plover]

pull electricity to this thing

[sudden night]

I think that's cuz of developement level 11?

[viscid plover]

dev 11 means all nodes max level

12 is meta transfer which is max level

[sudden night]

Oh then I'll try seeing which one I didn't

[viscid plover]

throw bomb at that yellow thing

[exotic lynx]

OML THAT WORKS

TYSM

[viscid plover]

👍

[dense wyvern]

Nothing can stop you now.

[viscid plover]

time to dominate the world

[leaden drift]

Because we get 1500 ferrium an hour as it clears that out it slowly starts to slowdown

[exotic lynx]

Are there 5 mining beds in the hub

Also how do I unlock this

[somber snow]

there's 6

[viscid plover]

six

[leaden drift]

Go through the story

[somber snow]

yeah, story

[exotic lynx]

Ah ok

Is one of the mining spots in there

[leaden drift]

Ye

[exotic lynx]

Sad

[leaden drift]

What does it say

It also might be blocked by an invisible wall

[real crescent]

target zipline pylon too close to obstacle

i think what happened is it allowed me to place it clipped into a wall

[leaden drift]

Interesting

[real crescent]

anyways managed to get a second one up there in a better location so now its all good

[leaden drift]

Yeah you might have hit the wall

[real crescent]

just gotta get one more setup and i should be ontop of the wall

(then ill probably get tempted trying to get up the big tower aswell but from where i got now i dont think its possible)

[marble yarrow]

ACTUALLY IT STAYED LMAO

[sudden night]

How many ore nodes are there in Quarry?

Just 2?

[viscid plover]

yea 2

[sudden night]

Ok

Amethyst ore is maxed

[ancient zinc]

Try making some c cans/capsules

[sudden night]

How am I supposed to reach this ?

[sudden night]

I am actually doing that
The speed is super slow but I'm getting there

[ancient zinc]

Take ur time no need to rush

[merry dagger]

Tried following a guide to making buck a yea imma just do c at this point

[merry dagger]

Upgrading the outpost in that area to lvl 3

[young stag]

lv4 outpost quest

it’s a nothingburger

[sudden night]

Ah I see

[sudden night]

I have level 3

[sudden night]

Does it have any ore node?

[young stag]

no

one recycling station

[real crescent]

start small but do it yourself. late game stuff is a bit more complex, so it helps if you figure out how to get from a single machine to a full production line

[merry dagger]

I have mine at lvl 3 and it gave me the quest for that area when you have to help noffman and d pan collect the art unit

[sudden night]

Another question
Are there ore nodes which don't appear on map?

[young stag]

no

they will all be marked

unless you haven’t discovered that area

aka the clouds n stuff

[sudden night]

I see

[merry dagger]

Already did tbh need buck a to get my camps to lvl 4 faster

[sudden night]

Thanks a lot

[merry dagger]

._. Im trying yo do everything before moving to the next chapter

[vale shoal]

I wish there is a button that let me stash all buildings in a region

[viscid plover]

X and select all and F

that's pretty fast and you can choose what you want to remove, better than just stash all

[spring orchid]

Buck A needs sandleaf

[merry dagger]

I know almost got 80k of it

[spring orchid]

Just break down the process first

Buck A needs steel bottles + refined buck powder

Steel is iron + sandleaf, refined buck powder is buck powder and sandleaf

Then you just need to adjust the ratio

[merry dagger]

I cant do what I was usually doing would put a strain on rss atm why I was using a guide so I can use the basic rss you get from mining

[spring orchid]

Ahh

If ur worried about that then just use buck b for a bit first

[somber snow]

ferrium, not iron,
that might confuse them

[spring orchid]

Ferrium right

[merry dagger]

Since im.not using as much ferr ore i cause use 8 out of the depot I was halfway through it but my eyes were giving out

[spring orchid]

Just do Buck B and SC valley first

Then upscale once u have enough batteries

U don't need to rush to Buck A/HC

[merry dagger]

I am running buck b but its low and im not rushing to HC just wanna see if I can get this buck A running without it and what I need to lessen the one I want using 1350 power which I have enough for atm but I have to re do it since I didnt plan out how long it would be correctly

[royal eagle]

Look at my nice little factory

[dense wyvern]

[velvet hemlock]

Little

[royal eagle]

Bro i can make it smaller

[viscid plover]

much more efficient to build the planter seperately rather than pull the pipe into the mix

[topaz wyvern]

Perfection, and all it needed was some easy math and some spliters

(its only 4 thermal banks with wuling bateries)

[velvet hemlock]

Damn electric engineers

So what the hell is a sandleaf and why do we need it for grinders

[somber snow]

every formula in the grinder uses sandleaf powder

its a plant u can find from the power plataeu

[vapid dock]

Man I just want news for any new toys for the factory

[velvet hemlock]

I know but what the hell is it and why do we need it

[topaz wyvern]

it lets you craft compact versions of an ore

many products require it

for example xiranite prodution needs it

[velvet hemlock]

Damn y'all dont get it

[topaz wyvern]

?

[somber snow]

HC bats produce 1100 power,
sell for 70,
SC bats produce 420 power,
sell for 30

HC takes 2x as much resources compared to SC,
aside from sandleaf

u have a lot of space to spare, so its worth it

[spring orchid]

I don't get what the implications here

[somber snow]

he's asking why sandleaf is so important

[topaz wyvern]

its just better

[somber snow]

unless im understanding wrong

[topaz wyvern]

hard to explain

[spring orchid]

Advanced products

It is required resource for advanced products (grinder)

Basically

[velvet hemlock]

Make up theories, what the hell is sandleaf and what does it do

[somber snow]

oh wait

[spring orchid]

Oh if ur talking abt like

Lore and stuff

Idk

[velvet hemlock]

Yeah idk either

[somber snow]

idk, some kind of leaf that adapted and grew in the desert

[spring orchid]

Factory gameplay however is pretty common having stuff like this

Where advanced stuff is locked behind new resources

And multi-refinement

[somber snow]

there is no lore video for sandleaf

[velvet hemlock]

Ores make sense, but what the hell is sandleaf? Do we use it to grind powders better or smth?

[dense wyvern]

Should be pretty simple. I have a sand..... I have a leaf.....

[somber snow]

in the database, it just says that it has extremely rough leaves

[tepid spade]

sandleaf sandpaper whatever whateve

[royal eagle]

If you can put them directly why you want to make saparate mess ?

[spring orchid]

I assume you grind materials together with sandleaf

[somber snow]

just becuz it's built separately doesn't make it a mess

it could actually be more neat and tidy

[dense wyvern]

Yeah. It makes it much more easy to manage.

[viscid plover]

so true just keep doing what you doing

[somber snow]

i searched online,
i found plant-based adhesive,
maybe the sandleaf powder holds it together?

obviously there's something else going on in the machine,
its not like we just mash the materials together to make something

[royal eagle]

I tried it but while upgrading i was confused how many planets and i had to remove everything and make new foders

[velvet hemlock]

Idk, maybe

From the description bits I assume it somehow makes the powder finer

[topaz wyvern]

makes like, litle to no sence

what I can guess it that sandleaf is just natural grinding powder

[dense wyvern]

The sandleaf powder acts like sandpaper and helps with the grind.

[somber snow]

what if we eat sandleaf

[topaz wyvern]

makes sence

[topaz wyvern]

hmmm

"New illness discovered! - Grindoparthy"

[dense wyvern]

Then you become a sandleaf.

Your body acts like a seeder, it'll use your nutrients to grow more sandleaf.

[topaz wyvern]

uhh

I feel terified now

[dense wyvern]

Yeah, it's quite disturbing to imagine.

[topaz wyvern]

orioparthy is already disturbing

[fallen gorge]

using tao energy

[somber snow]

its like the disease from the last of us,
but instead of a fungus, its a plant

[topaz wyvern]

💀

[dense wyvern]

Now just imagine sandleaf evolving with the blight.

[topaz wyvern]

I am quite sure that using it would be treated as a break of geneva convention

I wonder how bad it would be

[dense wyvern]

I doubt landbreakers would care.

[topaz wyvern]

endfield industies also wouldnt

cause who cares about the geneva convention, right?

[velvet hemlock]

lol

Anyway, any good uses for pipe convergers?

[dense wyvern]

Save space.

[meager mason]

Is this dumb? I can't really fit a entire thing here lol

[dense wyvern]

It's fine it it works.

[velvet hemlock]

Entire thing wat?

[dense wyvern]

But you probably want another dispenser for dense originium if you want full capacity production.

[velvet hemlock]

Yeah, you're having spare sandleaf anyway

[meager mason]

oof i forgot to complete my sentence
basically I couldn't really fit the forge in the sky there cause of the water pipe problem so I decided to link the forges from Wuling City AIC to a protocol stash and send it through AIC since I have used all depots

[dense wyvern]

Use it combine 2 pumps into 1.

Pumps pump 1/s water, pipes can handle 2/s. So converging actually helps save space.

[royal eagle]

Guys this will keep transferring?

[meager mason]

forever yes

[dense wyvern]

Yeah.... But not really worth it.

[royal eagle]

?

[dense wyvern]

You can manual transfer batteries.

[velvet hemlock]

Bettah transfer ferrium ore instead

[dense wyvern]

And one manual transfer is like 50 hours of that transfer.

[royal eagle]

But if im going offline?

[royal eagle]

Ok

[dense wyvern]

3 sets of manual transfer probably equals a week of storage transfer already.

[royal eagle]

Ooh

[dense wyvern]

30 isn't even one stack of goods.

[royal eagle]

But this will keep stacking right

[dense wyvern]

If you don't use it, sure.

[royal eagle]

I can do some manual transfers

[velvet hemlock]

You can divest 1/4th of wuling battery production to power everything anyway

[meager mason]

this looks enough right?

[dense wyvern]

It'll work, but not full efficiency.

You'll probably get 4 batteries per minute assuming nothing runs out.

[royal eagle]

Guys why do we need to spilt thermanl bang input?

Do we over use or smt ?

[dense wyvern]

You usually use splitters with thermal banks when you want to use more than 1 thermal bank.

It kinda saves an extra dispenser slot.

[royal eagle]

I mean if i directly give input two tgermal banks

[dense wyvern]

That's fine.

But it's a simple way to save an unloading slot.

[royal eagle]

No imean why ppl are using so much complex spliter ?

What is the point of it

[dense wyvern]

It saves a bit of battery.

[royal eagle]

If we split once and at the beginning then all the extra batteries should go back to depot

[dense wyvern]

The thing is those designs are meant to delay the battery reaching the thermal bank long enough to drain battery from reserve.

[royal eagle]

So it decreases usage ?

[dense wyvern]

Let's simplify it.

1 battery = 100 power per minute.
My factory needs 150 power per minute.
I can run 2 batteries = 200 power per minute.
4 per 2 mins.

Or I can run 100 power for 1 minute, -50 to power reserves, then in the second minute I run 2 batteries and build back up the 50 reserve.
Which means I only need to run 3 batteries per 2 mins.

That's what the complicated belts are doing.

[royal eagle]

Ooh

[dense wyvern]

Delaying the battery reaching the thermal bank so that it doesn't burn immediately and let the reserve run first.

[candid moth]

Tldr, think of it as delaying redstone signal using only repeaters

[velvet hemlock]

Needs a third powder. And you should put 3 belts into stash and one into bank

Least what I'd do

only every 4th battery hits the bank

which is good enough

[uneven aspen]

I didnt get the text explanations but this video was very helpful explaining it and demonstrating, though idk if the setup is outdated already or not. The general idea is explained though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeUilWRjwKA

[velvet hemlock]

Why be complex if you can be simple

[dense wyvern]

The simpler way to fix your stuff is.... jus reduce battery comsumption to 1.

[velvet hemlock]

Thats what I said

[jagged patio]

why do my factories keep clogging, i got a blueprint of a video put them in they worked fine then i got on the next day and i have no power and everythings clogged

[dense wyvern]

Need to see it.

That alone isn't enough info.

[velvet hemlock]

Maybe they use intermediary stashes or smth

Thats a silly thing that clogs

[dense wyvern]

My guess is you're sharing stash with something that you have maxed.

So it blocks the stuff you need for batteries getting to the packaging unit.

[velvet hemlock]

Connect all producers directly to consumers for the win

[uneven aspen]

or no plants in planter/seeders

[velvet hemlock]

Should never happen if you got things set up right

[uneven aspen]

though that wouldn't explain no more power/battery production

[dense wyvern]

Well, the issue is clogging, not empty.

[velvet hemlock]

Well, go on annd screenshot your stuff

[jagged patio]

two secs

[thorny galleon]

Your inventory can be maxed out

[velvet hemlock]

Depot, not inv

But thats what we said

[dense wyvern]

The reality is the sandleaf evolved and took over the factory.

[velvet hemlock]

XD

[craggy whale]

Lol but we have now gate system now so u dont need iy

[thorny galleon]

Your inventory can be maxed out
And when it does, depots can’t transfer and they get clogged

[velvet hemlock]

What is this abomination

Also it doesnt seem like the whole thing

I dont see any thermal banks either?

[jagged patio]

https://youtu.be/bpJIGWYdrTM?si=DOffZPmGxhOOjt2D

thars the video i got it from

the thermal banks are near the AIC

[thorny galleon]

Not clogged, no power

[dense wyvern]

What's below this.

[jagged patio]

depot unloader

[velvet hemlock]

Show eet

[jagged patio]

It was working fine yesterday then i woke up to no power cause it stopped making battries so

[thorny galleon]

Show me your AIC report; I want to see your ore yields

[velvet hemlock]

Maybe you were tiptoeing the power generation

[dense wyvern]

I don't see any ferrium in the line.... I feel like the ferrium might be stuck.

[velvet hemlock]

I was once using 4.6k/4.6k and I woke up with no power

[jagged patio]

well ive got no power so nothings working lol

[dense wyvern]

Another possibility....

[jagged patio]

i had like well above my usage like 6k when i was only using 3k

[velvet hemlock]

shrug

[uneven aspen]

screenshot shows no ferrium moving around at all

[thorny galleon]

Theoretical yield will tell me something.

[thorny galleon]

Could just be that they’re sitting in the facilities waiting for power

[leaden drift]

Now we gonna make clocks

[thorny galleon]

I want to see the yields and depot amounts to know if it’s an insufficiency problem

[leaden drift]

With clocks we can cycle different products

[uneven aspen]

also implies they ran out of ferrium since there's none in the conveyor belts since the rest are clogged

[velvet hemlock]

Well yeah, everything is clogged and has no power

[thorny galleon]

Possibly. The raw ferrium can be sitting out of picture since at the bottom it looks like those are the refineries and shredders

Just give us info, we don’t have enough

[dense wyvern]

It could just be that you have too many thermal banks burning stuff compared to what you produce....

[jagged patio]

sorry crap sc but the ferrium is there but nothings coming out though your right it could be yeild tbf

[dense wyvern]

[real crescent]

you have a blackout

[jagged patio]

major

[leaden drift]

It looks like yield

[real crescent]

fix your energy first and then check again

[jagged patio]

everyones dead

[thorny galleon]

Is the regional development level maxed and do you have rigs on all the possible spots?

Give me the AIC report. I will not ask again

[uneven aspen]

here's what it typically is.

origium max yield is 560 im just using 540 so it's showing that, you can see in theorical though

[jagged patio]

dude its showing 0 for everything in the report cause ive got no power lol

[thorny galleon]

Theoretical yield.

[dense wyvern]

Theoretical should be up even if things are off.

[real crescent]

theory should still work, no?

[velvet hemlock]

Yeah, show all theory

[thorny galleon]

Theoretical yield tells you the possible amounts ignoring conditions

That’s why there’s theoretical vs actual

[jagged patio]

nah therory has nothing either

[thorny galleon]

So. Give. Us. The. Report.

[jagged patio]

lemme get some power and get some more ferrium ore rigs set up and ill see if that fixes it

[velvet hemlock]

Yeah, if you can get more ferrium rigs up, you probably should do it

[leaden drift]

Show us the picture showing it say 0. That would be a good thing to know

[velvet hemlock]

But you'll need power first

[leaden drift]

If power is out

[dense wyvern]

Also, no sandleaf coming out and getting stuck from here is sus.

[jagged patio]

there... nothing

[dense wyvern]

Maybe you put seeds in the last planter so it ran out.

[thorny galleon]

Gonna power down my power facility to see if blackout affects the theoretical yields

[uneven aspen]

just turned off my power.

[thorny galleon]

Cool, so blackouts do knock out yields

[velvet hemlock]

Well its turned off

not blacked out

Thats probably a difference

[leaden drift]

Good to know atleast

[dense wyvern]

It's blacked out because he turned off power.

[velvet hemlock]

See if yields die if you run out of power

Cut feed to thermal banks

[thorny galleon]

Goddamnit I’ll go and log in again to check

[uneven aspen]

uuh too lazy to go around breaking my relay power to ores

[leaden drift]

You got any back up batteries

[jagged patio]

nope dunno how im gonna get more tbf

[leaden drift]

Worst case you might need to make a fuck ton of thermal batteries with originum in them

[velvet hemlock]

All batteries have originium in them

[somber snow]

if u have wuling,
what if u use wuling batteries

[digital vessel]

👀

[thorny galleon]

Alright, a blackout does make ore yields go to 0

[dense wyvern]

Go break some crates and hope for HC batteries.

[thorny galleon]

Or delete all of the facilitiea and make a minimal battery thing

[digital vessel]

I'm really good at this stock trading business. Maybe I should invest in real life?

[velvet hemlock]

Famous last words

[dense wyvern]

I feel like the percentages isn't that important. Just makes it feel good.

[digital vessel]

percnetages is important

[thorny galleon]

Those endgame blueprints depend on you having maximized yields, meaning max rigs and max-level ore spots. You’ll want to cut down if yield is the issue

[dense wyvern]

Real value is more important considering how limited these stocks are.

I can buy 50 stuff at 1000 and sell for 5000. Better than buying 50 stuff at 200 and selling at 2000.

[jagged patio]

that might be the problem yeah im only regional development 8

[candid moth]

300 battery usage

[thorny galleon]

Also, since you’re depot-ing your batteries, what you should do is setup an unpowered protocol stash as an output so that you keep a reserve of batteries on hand

[candid moth]

hell yeah

[leaden drift]

Or make some lower tier batteries

[digital vessel]

well when the percentages are this insane, it's def the percentage that wins out the importance

[thorny galleon]

Can’t accidentally sell from a protocol stash

[leaden drift]

For a rainy day

[leaden drift]

This is true

[real crescent]

hub base is right there its tormenting me (i cant figure out how to get in the area past the cable car)

[dense wyvern]

Not really.

I get more money from the one with lower percentage.

[leaden drift]

It took me forever to move over to HC batteries

It took math to show me it was slightly more efficient

[dense wyvern]

And since you're limited to 50 stocks per day in wuling. The % isn't as important as real value gained.

[thorny galleon]

Keep a stash of the best batteries so that you have a huge backup reserve

[dense wyvern]

If stock amount purchase wasn't limited then yeah, percentage would matter more.

[leaden drift]

% does matter but what really matters is if you have friends or not

[thorny galleon]

Huge power AND money reserve 😎

[dense wyvern]

It matters less than the real gained value.

[leaden drift]

If you dont have friends you just wait

[jagged patio]

whats the best way to get regional development levels then?

[thorny galleon]

1% profit of a trillion dollar item is better than a 100% profit on a single dollar item

Thus if you pay attention to price, lovely

[velvet hemlock]

Yeah, if you have 100 friends, you have so much potential options

[thorny galleon]

It should tell you in a menu somewhere. Mainly through story, leveling up your outposts, and selling trade goods

[leaden drift]

Steal all of your outposts money and complete the the defense missions

[velvet hemlock]

Upgrading recycling and redistribution stations and depots, building and connecting mines, upgrading outposts

[digital vessel]

everything has a standard market price of 2000 though? there are no more expensive products. You could go and buy things with a higher sales cost, but if you are going to spend more money buying those items if your percentages aren't in line

[velvet hemlock]

Use a calculator!

[jagged patio]

Understood thanks gang

[dense wyvern]

I already gave an example of how real value is more important than percentage.

[velvet hemlock]

Sometimes it is better to buy a slightly more expensive item if your friends got a much better price

[dense wyvern]

Yeah.

[thorny galleon]

Those vids need to emphasize the yield requirements a lot more, so it’s partially on them

[dense wyvern]

Sometimes percentages can be a lot higher, but profit isn't as high.

[leaden drift]

No problem now im trying to use the clock power dector down concept to make a swapping jincao and yazhen producer

[thorny galleon]

When they say endgame though, they mean endgame

[dense wyvern]

[thorny galleon]

Tell me when that gets setup, I’d love to set one up too

[velvet hemlock]

Yeah, the blueprints on this discord emphasize required yields better

[jagged patio]

truueee

[jagged patio]

good luck on that

[leaden drift]

Ima be doing some testing later today

It shouldn't be too hard

[uneven slate]

am i the only one struggling to buy out wuling outpost

[velvet hemlock]

Idk

[dense wyvern]

Probably not.

[velvet hemlock]

Ferrium is hard for everyone

[dense wyvern]

But optimal production shouldn't have any issues with clearing that

[spring orchid]

How much batteries ur making per mim

[dense wyvern]

Maybe you haven't unlocked second forge or spent all your xiranite building parts.

[spring orchid]

If you have above 6/min it should be easy enough

[dense wyvern]

[somber snow]

what's wuling's max stockbill capacity,
cuz ive nvr seen 600k

oh, its 1.2mil

[leaden drift]

What's ur aic report?

[uneven slate]

12

[uneven aspen]

i just saw it's 4x so i went for them

[candid moth]

oopsie

[leaden drift]

Hc is 1100

[uneven aspen]

oh yeah opps confused it

3x

[leaden drift]

I thought it wasnt too worth it and I was right when not at a high regional level

[analog frigate]

Sorry for bothering but the regional transfer thing , so only 1 item (stock)per hour?

[dense wyvern]

Yeah only 1 item type.

[analog frigate]

Pfff what's the point in that

[leaden drift]

Its best to send a raw material over

[dense wyvern]

Fill in some extra ferrium for medicine production I guess.

[analog frigate]

If only loading time would be quicker it wouldn't feel like a chore to constantly teleport from region to region with full inventory -.-

[leaden drift]

If you send batteries...60 max... you send in raw ferrium 1500

[dense wyvern]

You can do it on Dijiang.

Saves time.

[uneven aspen]

makes 90/min ferrium to 115/min so you can barely get 1 production syringes .

[leaden drift]

If you split the ferrium just right

[analog frigate]

I mean I'm on like 90k of everything so it's just quicker for me to to tp in that case unless they tweak it in an update

[dense wyvern]

Open your backpack on Dijiang and you can just swap with one button without teleporting.

[analog frigate]

Cause I'm loosing my shit slowly lol

[cinder cloak]

I don't even bother with that

when I'm about to lose ferrium on Wuling I just shut off like 1 or 2 refineries

[dense wyvern]

I mean if someone wants to, then why not.

[analog frigate]

Yes but I'm gearing every single operator so I need the mats :/

[dense wyvern]

[cinder cloak]

then turn them back on once the depot stocks up on ferium lol

[leaden drift]

Go to ur ship and swap in there

[dense wyvern]

Just leave it on.

[cinder cloak]

don't even need ferrium for the gear component

[analog frigate]

Ah okay thanks

[dense wyvern]

Ferrium in Wuling shouldn't interfere with batteries so your factory won't shutdown

[uneven aspen]

yeah ferrium is for the tactical

[cinder cloak]

unless it's Wuling bills, then just do Wuling Battery x 2

[royal eagle]

This is working perfectly 2bat per 40 sec

[leaden drift]

Are you regional lvl 12 in v4?

[analog frigate]

Yes I'm maxed everything

[leaden drift]

Because its a free 1500 ferrium ore

With metaspace storage

Every hour

Its not taking it from v4

[analog frigate]

Just had to make 10 gearing units for the components to craft quicker

[dense wyvern]

That feels like an overkill.

[leaden drift]

You cant really do that for purple gear unless you have maxed xirnaite just there

Aka xirnaite comps

[analog frigate]

Yea I got like 3,7k xianite components to gear my operators

[dense wyvern]

I just make something like this and use the control port to set how many parts I want it to make.

[analog frigate]

I just don't necessarily feel the power

[leaden drift]

The max amount of producing xirnate is enough to power 1 comp maker

[dense wyvern]

If you have enough parts, just make batteries to sell.

[cinder cloak]

If you just want to craft your first gold gears then should be more than enough

If you plan on levelling up those gears, you'll need a lot more lol

[dense wyvern]

You need the money to buy artificers anyways if you want to make use of the extra parts.

[cinder cloak]

but you can worry about that later on, it's just min maxing at that point

[uneven aspen]

you can only buy up to 60 artificing per week(no idea if you can get that much stockbill per week).

[leaden drift]

I barely done any artificing and completed everything so far

[dense wyvern]

You can yeah.

[cinder cloak]

you can actually

[dense wyvern]

I'm buying all of it.

[analog frigate]

I all my 22 operators are in gold gear already I just stocking up for new operators

[leaden drift]

Im doing that passively

I get 1 gear a minute

[analog frigate]

Just need to find a way to make wuling stock bills quicker

[leaden drift]

More than enough

[dense wyvern]

Well, as long as the wuling outpost isn't maxed out in bills, you're probably making the most you can make.

[leaden drift]

Batteries is like ur only option

[dense wyvern]

Excluding mindless farming for measle amount of credits.

[analog frigate]

The LC wuling ?

[cinder cloak]

elastic goods, depot deliveries, and environmental observations if you really want to make as much Wuling stock bills per day

[dense wyvern]

LC Wuling batteries sell for 25 each yeah.

[cinder cloak]

wasn't it 27?

[dense wyvern]

Oh, might be.

I remember 25. Could be wrong.

[somber snow]

its 25

[analog frigate]

Also is it just me or Wuling doesn't give you wuling stock bills for deliveries?

[cinder cloak]

oh so it was 25

[crude pivot]

Does anybody know of a good setup for late-game Valley IV profit, but without any base upgrades? I've completed the main story for the area, but lack upgrades (aside from 2 depots and one expansion for the main base).

[dense wyvern]

The Wuling Depo does.

[leaden drift]

It gives wuling

[cinder cloak]

wuling depot, near the very southeast of wuling city area

[uneven aspen]

do you know about the stock distribution, selling items on friends' ship trick?

[analog frigate]

Unfortunately Ifyou want a profit you need to invest time into it (upgrades) can't skip that I'm afraid

[uneven aspen]

if you do in 1-2 days you have enough stockbilsl to max upgrade everything iirc maybe it was 3

[crude pivot]

Yea, I don't have friends though lol. I have been buying low and reselling when high though.

[somber snow]

i dont think there is such a thing as late game without max upgrades

[crude pivot]

I plan to upgrade, but need the funds to do so basically.

[dense wyvern]

I doubt there's a specific plan because there's quite a variance of mining machine amount people have put down.

[leaden drift]

Make some friends!

[analog frigate]

All you need to do is put mining rigs everywhere you can that increase regional development

I literally just maxed out everything today since launch (with 2 rage quits about factory building) xD

[crude pivot]

Does mk2 output more than mk1? I've seen mixed answers online. Some say Mk1 is fine for Originum, others don't

[dense wyvern]

Just produce the most expensive stuff the outposts is buying.

[leaden drift]

I only progressed after I wanted to upgrade the factory lol

[analog frigate]

MK2 is for ferrium

[leaden drift]

No it depends on the ore vien quality

[crude pivot]

So don't use Mk2 on anything except Ferrium? Since it takes more power?

[dense wyvern]

Pretty much.

[leaden drift]

Yup

[uneven aspen]

nope they function the same, just mk1 can't mine ferrium and mk2 uses 2x more power, so you basically mk2 ferrium and mk1 everything else

[analog frigate]

Well you gonna need shit loads of ferrium for everything

[crude pivot]

Alright, thanks for clarifying that. I wiped my factories clean, so I'm starting friesh with a focus on only profit now

[analog frigate]

I got MK2 everywhere cause you can just put power banks if you run out of energy and feed it with battery

Just do yourself a favour and whatever you aim for find a blueprint for it

[leaden drift]

Dont forget to process amethyst they help out

[dense wyvern]

Take it easy.

[crude pivot]

I don't mind the building. It is actually why I started playing this game. I like automation games 😛

[leaden drift]

Or try and learn it cause it could be fun

I have oscillating power to save wuling batteries

[analog frigate]

Just some blueprints doesn't come with explanations of what to put in them so you gotta learn manually xD

[uneven aspen]

late game you want 3 HC battery lines and 3 buckflower/citrome A lines.

so just put as much as you can with your limited space.

In general I did 3 at the hub, then 1 each at each outpost. Likely you won't be able to do 3 at the hub but the 1 at each outpost should be doable if you have the depot bus unlocked for them

[analog frigate]

Hey blueprints are there for reason xD if not for blueprints I wouldn't play the game at all lol

[leaden drift]

I am saving 1000 ish batteries a day

[dense wyvern]

Yeah, factory building aint for everyone.

[analog frigate]

A day? Damn I got like 16k a day

But then I got 2 pac areas just for batteries

[crude pivot]

What parts need the most input? I guess I should build those mini-factories on the 2 places I have Depots at currently.

[leaden drift]

Saving* in addition to my normal yield

[exotic lynx]

Why is my factory at max power when there is nothing in it

[dense wyvern]

Ziplines and stuff

[analog frigate]

You really need to min max everything even collecting materials from enemies (crafting)

[leaden drift]

Ziplines?

[crude pivot]

Mining rigs and defensive towers

[exotic lynx]

?

[dense wyvern]

Just put more thermal banks

[exotic lynx]

Ohhh ok, so how do I fix it

[leaden drift]

It could also be in other outposts

[analog frigate]

I wish we could skip some things but the game just got designed the way you can't skip certain things

[exotic lynx]

I put like 5 and it didn’t really change it

[dense wyvern]

Did you put originium in all 5?

[exotic lynx]

Yeh

[analog frigate]

Thermal banks are better with batteries than orignium

[crude pivot]

Sure, I will, but what should I focus on that needs a lot of parts/belts to be ideal so I can set those up where my depots are.

[dense wyvern]

He's trying to build his power up.

[analog frigate]

Battery gives what 500 power or 1k?

[leaden drift]

They eat one ore every 8 seconds or so

[uneven aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1471627421538193529/image.png?ex=69983116&is=6996df96&hm=2a47d42dede33ca266f3532138f210c59b8e1164d83273928830b1e07aa83bf4&animated=true

HC valley battery here: need 10 outputs, and then space for 2 sandleaf farms. Image just had them output from unloader

[dense wyvern]

Your picture only shows 1 thermal bank.

You need more banks.

[leaden drift]

I believe blue batteries are 420 and hc are 1100

[crude pivot]

This is for making batteries only?

[uneven aspen]

yeah but mostly for showing the amount of unloaders you need

[analog frigate]

Once you get into factory building and actually see it's not that hard youl enjoy the game

[uneven aspen]

for consumable A you need 8 for ferrium, then 2 sandleaf farms and 2 buckflower/citrome farms

[crude pivot]

Can you share the blueprint?

[uneven aspen]

Depends im in NA/EU

[crude pivot]

Same

[uneven aspen]

https://old.reddit.com/r/Endfield/comments/1r3yhre/simple_and_modular_valley_factory/

[analog frigate]

You get blueprints for batteries by doing tutorial

[crude pivot]

With this, I can simply upgrade it over time, right?

[analog frigate]

You don't even need to finish tutorial as you can just skip it and get rewards+ blueprint

[uneven aspen]

well idk if it will fit since I made these with all the aic area and depot upgrades maxed already

[crude pivot]

Ah..hmm

[uneven aspen]

but the idea is to have the subpacs and pacs be free

you will have half the area of the subpacs to use it's 6 outputs

the hub is just sandleaf farms and 3 consumable As barely any space otehr than amythest parts and thermal batteries

[crude pivot]

Sounds like my best bet is to just aim for the mid-tier items for now and once I upgrade my areas and depots, swap to high-tier?

[uneven aspen]

depends how fast you get more stockbills

but yeah eventualyl you switch over

[leaden drift]

Once ur regional development level gets higher

At higher development levels sometimes more mines appear in older areas

[leaden drift]

And older nodes might have more yield

[uneven aspen]

need lvl 11 for maximum yield

it's the mineral purity

[crude pivot]

So, step 1: Hit up every node
Step 2: Make Batteries
Step 3: Make consumables?

Then just aim to upgrade the tiers as I upgrade my factory areas?

[uneven aspen]

make enough battery to sustain power

then make whatever sells to outposts(why people use buckflower over citrome)

[cedar phoenix]

I think Buckflower is unlocked before Citrome

[uneven aspen]

yeah you need like outpost lvl 3 or 4 to sell citrome stuff iirc

[cedar phoenix]

yeah

[uneven aspen]

but basically just keep doing these

[somber snow]

its better to make both buck and citrome

[cedar phoenix]

but Citrome C is better than Buckflower C, because it can be sold everywhere, where buck C can only be sold on the 1st outpost

[exotic lynx]

How I’m a supposed to start making batteries when it won’t let me

[cedar phoenix]

you need another thermal bank here

[somber snow]

unless u're going to completely ignore the 1st outpost,
i fail to see why taht matters much

[sharp plume]

originium ore
put in thermal bank to boot it up
add more thermal reactors

should fix the issue

[cedar phoenix]

for end game stuff, in order to use your Amethyst

you can do 18 Buck/Citrome A + 18 HC bat + 24 Citrome C

[somber snow]

r we comparing buck and citrome,
or r we talking about amethyst

[cedar phoenix]

I compared Citrome and Buck C
you asked why you use it, I explained

[somber snow]

my question was why would it matter if u make buck c, citrome c, or both

[cedar phoenix]

uless I missunderstood

[somber snow]

you did

[cedar phoenix]

then

well, you can do both too

but only Buck C is kinda meh

[somber snow]

everyone knows that,
though it matters little,
if we rly wanna minmax,
12/min on both buck and citrome,
if u're away from the game for a long time,
u'd come back to a lot more products to sell

[cedar phoenix]

if everyone know that then...
I guess I said nothing

maybe I wasn't part of "everyone" like a week ago

sorry for that I guess

[somber snow]

its ok

go back to growing your factory

[cedar phoenix]

cant really do that anymore...

I already do 17.66 Buck A + 18.66 HC Bat + 24 Citrome C

maybe I can save like 20-30 energy.. but that's pretty much it

[warped niche]

[somber snow]

could always make it smaller, symmetrical, or pretty

[cedar phoenix]

I do 18 Bat + 12 Buck in the main pac already, so smaller is a bit hard..

[cinder cloak]

this. when you're at a point where your factory's outputing the max amount of products possible, the next step is to prettify it babeh

[cedar phoenix]

pretty, I tried, but yeah, I guess I can do a bit better in this domain

[normal snow]

is there a speed difference in Electric Mining Rig and the Mk II one?

[cedar phoenix]

nope

only energy difference

so you want mk2 only for ferrium

[normal snow]

ah good, so no need to replace the old ones

energywise im fine rn

[cinder cloak]

if you're not mining ferrium, the first mining rig is better because it uses 50 less power than the Mk II apparently

[cedar phoenix]

*5

[cinder cloak]

yeah sorry, 5

[cedar phoenix]

it 5 for mk1 and 10 for mk2

[exotic lynx]

This is half a blue print to make a buck capsul a
How do I make it more efficient space wise

[cedar phoenix]

1st, try to put all the ports right next to each other
then you can also make you plants in place, to avoid needing a port for it

[cinder cloak]

maybe place the protocol stash between two grinders?

[somber snow]

i dont have a picture for 1 single production,
but u can make it like this,
this is all 3 facilities making 2 buck As and 1 citrome As

[cinder cloak]

no wait that's not a stash

[exotic lynx]

How do I do that

[somber snow]

all the plant production in the top left,
near the depots, thats where all the ferrium gets processed into bottles

[cedar phoenix]

which one ?

[sudden night]

Now I can probably get a good blueprint and get a factory right?

[exotic lynx]

Do u have a blueprint
(My factory isn’t fully built)

[exotic lynx]

Ports next to each other’s

[somber snow]

let me boot up my game

[cedar phoenix]

you avoid this empty space between each port

[somber snow]

what's ur region,
r u in Asia?

[sudden night]

Can I get the blueprints as well? This looks like it's a good one I can build as well

[somber snow]

ill just send my BP here

[exotic lynx]

Yeh but then I can’t connect the things to the refiners

[exotic lynx]

No eu😔

[cedar phoenix]

rotate your rafiners to do so

[somber snow]

ill just send a picture then,
but ud have to build it yourself

[exotic lynx]

Okk

[exotic lynx]

But wouldn’t that mean I can’t put the machines together meaning more space is needed

[cedar phoenix]

I mean, you gain space by not having space between you ports.. so it evens out kinda

[somber snow]

bottom left

[somber snow]

top right

[cedar phoenix]

you gain 13 horizontal space by having your ports right next to each other, and you lose like 3 or 4 space in height by doing so, so it's really better to do so

[somber snow]

for the planters in the top left, they look like this

[exotic lynx]

Okk

[hearty cipher]

hi hello
metatransfer is essentially creating materials out of thin air right?

[cedar phoenix]

yep

it's so that when we got other regions, we can still transfer materials, because you can only produce things in 2 regions at the same time

[cinder cloak]

huh

[hearty cipher]

doesnt this mean my xiranite is essentially 72.5 upm

[cedar phoenix]

oh you can transfer Xiranite ?

didn't know that.. didn't really pay attention to that

[cinder cloak]

am I seeing it wrong or they're transfering xiranite from V4 to Wuling

[somber snow]

it is from v4 to wuling

[hearty cipher]

you are seeing it right yes

[cinder cloak]

???

[hearty cipher]

although idk if the metatransfer thing works on xiranite

gotta wait an hour to find out

[cinder cloak]

oh

OH

OHH

[cedar phoenix]

I mean, it seems to work

[somber snow]

if it works, i think its gonna be the new meta

[cedar phoenix]

yeah

[somber snow]

or not, idk

[cedar phoenix]

idk.. maybe it's not that good actually

[leaden drift]

12.5 more?

[cinder cloak]

well with just medicine and wuling batts x2 you can zero out the outpost stock bills

[cedar phoenix]

because you cant have that much

[somber snow]

itll bump up 60/min to 85

[leaden drift]

i think ferrium is still better

[somber snow]

almost as much as an extra forge of the sky

[leaden drift]

????

[hearty cipher]

hm idk i was just messing around
besides i feel the real limit to gear artificing is wuling bills itself no? instead of the gear and the catalyst

[leaden drift]

750?

[cedar phoenix]

not 85, but 72.5

[cinder cloak]

I'd say this is just for essentially securing a 12/min wuling battery production while still creating gear components (although not at 100% efficiency) without going over its usage?

[somber snow]

huh,
still, does help

[cedar phoenix]

because you can only transfer 750, not 1500 like ferrium

[somber snow]

its still over the usage,
unless u mess around with the belt

[leaden drift]

i think ferrium is more impactful still

[somber snow]

2x the meta points,
thats annoying

[cedar phoenix]

yeah

it's like ferrium bottle (that need 2 ferrium, so make sense)

[cinder cloak]

aight screw the ferrium for now, i'll use this strat just to max cap the xiranite gear component on my Wuling depot

[cedar phoenix]

I'm quite sure it's not worth it actually

[hearty cipher]

this is what im worried about, since xiranite is a wuling product instead of v4

[dusky harbor]

once you get Valley Dev 12, its 1,500 ferrium for metatransfer without taking out of V4 depot reserves.

[cedar phoenix]

yeah.. but I mean, you can select it

[dusky harbor]

still laughable though, sadly.

[hearty cipher]

ik it's available as an option but again idk if it creates xiranite out of thin air

[cedar phoenix]

it should

oh..

[dusky harbor]

Xianite in transfer from V4 to Wuling isnt there, they gotta be sending it from wuling to V4

[hearty cipher]

anyone checked whether you can deplete wuling bill generation even without transferring ferrium for the meds?

[dusky harbor]

I can only clear about half of the stock bills

in wuling rn

[hearty cipher]

theorically i only gotta do manual transfer once

dijiang logistics

[dusky harbor]

on pure batt and 6/m yahzen production, but im also manually transferring 48K every few days

[hearty cipher]

if it does creates xiranite out of thin air then yeah it's 72.5 upm xiranite

[somber snow]

@sudden night
3x Plant Production: EFO01ouiO4AIOo638IieO
Bottom Left Steel Bottle production: EFO01I3A52Uu5I9795o08
Top Right Steel Bottle production: EFO018IeE5ioE8120UI73
Middle Middle Plant Grinder: EFO012O9A70EA2858eIOo
Middle Left Plant Grinder: EFO014E6iU92i437aEa1A

boy that was annoying to copy

there are some missing steps,
u need to move your PAC to the middle,
you need to make more planters for 1 belt production line of buck or citrome,
you need to make 1 extra grinder in the middle to make grounded buck or citrome powder,
and you need to add 1 packaging unit near the bottom right,

that should be it

[cedar phoenix]

if my calculations are correct
with Ferrium, you can do 332 Wuling mony per minute (assuming no power used, but it's not relevent in this comparison)
with Xiranite, I find it to be 338

so .. maybe it is worth it

and maybe you can also save a bit in power, idk

[dusky harbor]

Alright, that's the third time ive seen that. With the hard capped Xianite and the ferrium issue, i cant figure out how to get any more squeezed out.

[cedar phoenix]

because it's not really power hungry to make battery compared to Syringes

[leaden drift]

would still need to splitter it

[cedar phoenix]

I mean, in both case you need it, if you want to also do some gearing unit

[cinder cloak]

it's just the usual 12/min wuling batteries + 6/min yazhen

[cinder cloak]

and make sure you have these both activated on your outpost

[leaden drift]

wlooking at meta storage now i dont see it

[cedar phoenix]

5.75 yazhen actually

[cedar phoenix]

maybe you need to have some Xiranite in your Vally storrage, idk

[cedar phoenix]

yeah, it doesn't show decimals

[leaden drift]

only works with stockpile

[cinder cloak]

I see

[cedar phoenix]

so it's rounded up

[cedar phoenix]

oh

[cinder cloak]

well i'm just basing it off from the AIC report

[cedar phoenix]

I see

well..

[cinder cloak]

welp

[hearty cipher]

?

what am i seeing here

[leaden drift]

you can only see xirnate in stockpile transfer

not in metastorage transfer

[cedar phoenix]

I guess you had selected stockpile and not metastorage

[leaden drift]

metastorage = free shiz

[cedar phoenix]

yeah

stockpile = transfer your storage

[leaden drift]

at that point manually move it

[brisk jetty]

Stockpile uses and takes directly from your storage and sends it over

[dusky harbor]

So.... I got Wulf at the Outpost and thats currently what i got going, so that is why im confused.

[cedar phoenix]

yeah

[brisk jetty]

Meta duplicates it for free, but only if it can be made from only stuff found in that region

[hearty cipher]

wait how do you choose metatransfer then?

[leaden drift]

you have to be in V4

to do meta transfer

[cinder cloak]

well it's not gonna zero out the outpost immediately but eventually you will if you keep that up (as well as manually filling up your ferrium from time to time)

[brisk jetty]

As wuling doesn’t have amethyst, you would not be able to meta transfer anything that requires amethyst as a component of its recipe out from Wuling

[hearty cipher]

i am in v4

[brisk jetty]

Go out of the selection screen for items

It must be selected from outside that

[cedar phoenix]

when you create a transfer line, you can select stockpile/metastorage before choosing the material you want to transfer

[hearty cipher]

?

[dusky harbor]

alright, so i do got it right, i just gotta give it time. I kind of figured as much as it didnt seem i was making headway, but i wasn't losing any either on the op stock bill count.

[cedar phoenix]

edit, then delete, then create a new one

[brisk jetty]

Press edit and delete

So you make a new line that has the option for meta transfer

[hearty cipher]

damnit

[brisk jetty]

Otherwise you just edit what’s being transferred

[brisk jetty]

[hearty cipher]

ok it's all good the one thing i learnt from this is that Ive been doing deposit transfer ferrium this whole time

[brisk jetty]

What does the want to know

[cinder cloak]

yeah xiranite doesn't show up as a meta transfer option unfortunately

[brisk jetty]

[leaden drift]

i was about ready to edit some ratios

[brisk jetty]

If it can be made there it can be meta’d. Can’t make xirinite there so like

[cedar phoenix]

I was ready too, but it was a bit too good to be true

[leaden drift]

this monster lol

[cedar phoenix]

(even tho, it wouldn't change that much what we would gain)

[brisk jetty]

Once wuling is allowed to meta transfer anything I know for sure it will be xiri

[leaden drift]

i think i could up to 11 batteries

[cedar phoenix]

yeah, but that probably isn't before the max level of wuling, which I guess won't be accessible before the next region

[dusky harbor]

it probably will from wuling after its totally out and we get max development there though, Granted, im not sure how much it will help by then.

[cinder cloak]

look at all those empty space

[cedar phoenix]

you can go up to 12 if you don't want any gearing unit, and you only need 3k gearing unit a week, so you can go with 11 no problem yeah

[leaden drift]

i have a gearing unit

[cedar phoenix]

yeah, but maybe a bit too much even x)

[cinder cloak]

when trying to access metatransfer from wuling, it says you need regional development 12 too, maybe soon, but then again there aren't any use cases to use metatransfer from Wuling as of now

[leaden drift]

i think i avg about .90 gears a minute

[cinder cloak]

maybe when next region comes out

[leaden drift]

actual

[cedar phoenix]

you can't really use that much gearing unit, since you need the catalyst that you can only buy 60 each week

[dusky harbor]

I wont lie, i put my base basically on life support for a week to cap out components, then swapped to pure batt/income, and managed to slim down to 1 batt to power the entire base, as parts of mine are useless when doing other stuff via control ports, and just shut down the gearing side of it all.

[cedar phoenix]

to have 3k a week, you only need like 0.3/ min, or even less id remember

[cedar phoenix]

that's fair too yeah

[leaden drift]

im using dige

so i am saving about 1k batteries a day

[cedar phoenix]

I have only a little production of gearing unit, and that's already even too much x)

[leaden drift]

me with my near 30k lol

[cedar phoenix]

but it doesn't really matter, I already have way too much batteries anyway

[leaden drift]

same

[dusky harbor]

I did get really lucky on getting Avy and Leav's gear artificed early on, so i didnt really need the pure income early.

[cedar phoenix]

like.. i'm close to hitting the cap even

[leaden drift]

i like number go up tho

[dusky harbor]

so im just kinda waiting now.

I do wish they would make it so you can BP pipes that can/are allowed to go out of AIC area though.

[cedar phoenix]

I don't do that much artificing for now, because I want to save Wuling money to buy the tower, to finally have bought every non-renewable items from the Wuling shop

because artificing cost quite a lot of Wuling money

[leaden drift]

tower squaddd

[dusky harbor]

I'm kinda just poking around with maxing random gear to test. like 80% ult eff Leav and stuff.

[cedar phoenix]

I only buy all the catalysts + the Wuling engraving tickets at 95% for now each week

[leaden drift]

i buy the gifts when i can

i want 200% trust with all ops

[topaz wyvern]

bro share some

[leaden drift]

nah but the tower get it

[cedar phoenix]

If only we could
I would no problem

[dusky harbor]

I can send my bp for 12 batt made, 1.5ish used a min, if you can figure out the piping outside of AIC so you can mass stockpile. lmao

[cedar phoenix]

I buy some of the gifts too yeah, but only the one on max reduction, and only one of them, because almost every operators I want to level up need this one for now

[tiny wind]

When looking at yield data which should i follow current or theory

[dusky harbor]

That, im still 50/50 on

But im kinda smooth brained.

[somber snow]

what do we get for 200% trust?
i forgot

[real crescent]

both

[leaden drift]

theory is if everything is running without bottlenecks

[cedar phoenix]

current is what your factory is producing right now
theoretical is what it could do if you where to max out every input (and use every output) of every factory you have placed

[leaden drift]

current is ur actual

[dusky harbor]

operator files, and audio log/files, gameplay wise past 100% isnt needed.

[real crescent]

concurrent is more important cos its whats actually happening, but if you a difference between praxis and theory and you dont know why thats an indicator for issues

[somber snow]

theory is based on what facilities you have, and its assuming its running on 100% efficiency
current yield, is based on what you're actually getting

nvm someone said that

[shrewd knoll]

theoretical is just whatever is POWERED and a recipe has been set on that facility

[dusky harbor]

^^^^

explains alot now

[leaden drift]

so this all counts in theory

but its jammed sooo

[dusky harbor]

Yeah....

[cedar phoenix]

yeah

[dusky harbor]

Time to redo a 3rd of V4.

xD

[somber snow]

shouldnt take that long

took me 3 hours to redo main PAC,
and 3 sub PACS

[leaden drift]

depends if u want it to look nice or not

if asthetics.... it might be a while

[cedar phoenix]

or if you want to cram as many factory as you can in one place or not also

[strong walrus]

hey guys, am I the only onn who thinks you should be able to see the whole AIC area in top view with max zoom? I just want to look at my factory but I can only see like half of it at most 🙁

[somber snow]

there's no reason to cram every single thing in 1 PAC,
you have more than enough space

[leaden drift]

producing everything from start to finish or not

[leaden drift]

we all want this

[somber snow]

everyone wants that

[cedar phoenix]

my reason is to have a fully empty outpost to make blueprints if I want without problem

[somber snow]

but the only thing u can do is go on top of a hill and take a picture

[cedar phoenix]

and without affecting my current yields

[somber snow]

ok, fair

[leaden drift]

i wish u can turn of facility names

[shrewd knoll]

no, you will be reminded forever that this thing is a refinery

[strong walrus]

I actualy did not think of that, time to clim a hill, thanks

[cedar phoenix]

best you can do for now, is something like that

[strong walrus]

holy, this looks like 10 time more organised than mine😂

[exotic lynx]

Is there anyway I can minimise the amount of empty space I have
If I can’t is there any thing I can fit in them to make it more efficient

[shrewd knoll]

yes, stop unloading sand

[cedar phoenix]

I mean, it is, but it's a bit messy too..

at least I have my name on it x)

[exotic lynx]

???

[shrewd knoll]

your sand is taking up most of the empty space

[somber snow]

unload sandleaf instead, then grind it into powder

[shrewd knoll]

either make it on site or unload the sandleaf

[cedar phoenix]

yours look fantastic

[exotic lynx]

Arnt I doing that

[somber snow]

no, you're unloading the powder

[exotic lynx]

Oh on the bottle bit

[cedar phoenix]

Mine cant really be symmetrical because I do 3 lines of production of Batteries, and 2 of Buck, and need like 38 of the 43 ports available (or close to that, idr exactly the numbers)

[cedar phoenix]

but maybe I can do better still

[dusky harbor]

I offsited my Buck and sandleaf, aside that everything is at main PAC

[leaden drift]

i still have basically all of power plateu

[somber snow]

also, grinding 1 sandleaf makes 3 powders,
so u only ever need 1 shredder to feed 3 grinders

dear lord, that main PAC is packed

[dusky harbor]

^that's where my theoretical overhead is on sandleaf powder and stuff most likely

[cedar phoenix]

I have all of Valley pass
and some room in power plateau or Science park (don't rmber which one)

[dusky harbor]

Refugee is 100% packed with sandleaf, and buck farm

[cedar phoenix]

it's a main PACked

I'm leaving now 🚪 🚶‍♂️

[dusky harbor]

the other two outposts of mine are emptier than my soul.

[somber snow]

i have my facilities spread out evenly,
so my main PAC has space, so i just make planters so that i can stock up on buck, citrome and sandleaf and their seeds

then ill make cryston bottles

[exotic lynx]

This better

[shrewd knoll]

no

[cedar phoenix]

so you can use the prestine quality of bottle when you use your spray ?

[somber snow]

YES

[strong walrus]

looks less bad than expected ( ignore the massive gap)

[shrewd knoll]

look at the amount of items each item produce and use the approriate amount of belts exiting them to distribute it

[exotic lynx]

Yeh I tried doing that

[leaden drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2wkzoRBpHY weird its not showing

[somber snow]

its good
mine just looks like this

[cedar phoenix]

I love looking at the main PAC of everyone

[shrewd knoll]

even your buckcap is wrong, it makes 2 per buckcap plant

so it should have 2 belts exiting the shredder

[cedar phoenix]

everyone do things differently, and that's really cool

[exotic lynx]

Like originally I had 2 buck flower powder and one sand powder cuz to make the other founder u need 2 buck and 1 sand

[shrewd knoll]

im not talking about the unloader

[cedar phoenix]

when you put 1 sandleaf flower in a shredder, you can output 3 powder, that mean that with 1 full belt of flower, you can output 3 full belt of powder

[exotic lynx]

This better ( I’ve deleted one of the farms

[leaden drift]

https://youtu.be/b2wkzoRBpHY

there we go

[shrewd knoll]

not quite because your sandleaf is only fulfilling one grinder which defeats the purpose of actually putting it there

[somber snow]

better now,
but you only need 1 belt of sandleaf powder into 1 grinder,
set up 2 more belts from that shredder to 2 more grinders

[shrewd knoll]

you want it to supply 3 or at least 2 grinders

[exotic lynx]

So deleat. One belt of sand

[somber snow]

yeah, and redirect it to another grinder,
you can use a belt bridger

[cedar phoenix]

here you use 2 full belt of sandleaf to make , but you can only ground Buckflower powder, but you only need 1 full belt to reach maximum production

instead, you can use the other two belt of sandleaf you make in the shredder to input 2 other Grinding units (to make more ground Buckflower for example)

[leaden drift]

like this

i have it feeding 3 grinders

[dusky harbor]

Yeah, that tripped me up, cause i have like 2/3rds of max space refugee camp making sandleaf, and thought about preshredding there too, but cause of Deopt unloader limit, im torn on trying to redo it specifically cause of the grinders.

[somber snow]

i think u should redo it

[cedar phoenix]

you can also use it for other reciepes that also need sandflower powder, like I do here for example

[somber snow]

should take about half an hour or so

[dusky harbor]

as it means one sandleaf unloader feeds 3 grinders, but if i preshred, then ill technically need 3X the depot unloaders to deal with the sandleaf powder

[shrewd knoll]

The usual rule of depositing stuff in depot is that if it's a crafting material or something that improves your through put

[exotic lynx]

Nah I’m so confused

[cedar phoenix]

yeah, that's better already, now you need the other input for the 2nd grinder (because you only have the sandleaf for now)

and then you can setup a 3rd one if you want

[exotic lynx]

So put another deloader for buck or?

[dusky harbor]

That's what i got going more or less along the entirety of the depot bus line for main PAC

[leaden drift]

you could do somethink like this

[cedar phoenix]

yeah, another Buckflower unloader + another grinder for the Buckflower

[leaden drift]

or this by stagering it slightly