aic-factory

[potent plume]

adn you still get only 1990?

[analog elbow]

with that power usage

[analog elbow]

Yeah

[potent plume]

that's cool

[ornate frigate]

I got 2.14k

[crimson inlet]

I use 2.17k power in my wuling stuff

[ornate frigate]

Because of the Towers, I guess

[analog elbow]

You use batteries

for turrets

1 HC literally gave your turret 53K power

[ornate frigate]

[analog elbow]

that's worth atleast a week and a half if you grind daily

1 month if you rarely use it

[ornate frigate]

Time to supply with 50 Wuling battery

[analog elbow]

that's HC only

with 1 Wuling

idk how long

[nova cradle]

my wuling factory's kinda tiny

[analog elbow]

You put 50 HC in 1 Turret

[earnest steeple]

Wuling is 72k power per battery for towers.

[analog elbow]

This will lasts you for the next year

[ornate frigate]

Aight aight

[analog elbow]

Yeah this will lasts forever

[ornate frigate]

Time to supply them with Wuling battery

[analog elbow]

if you put 50

[earnest steeple]

You can take unused ones out.

[analog elbow]

Well just let it there if you place turrets at the essence grind locations

[crimson inlet]

I'm too lazy to manually add batteries to my turrets

I use this D.I.G.E. design

added 2400 as my Tag. for some wiggle room.

[ornate frigate]

The DIG system again

[nova osprey]

hell yeahhh

[analog elbow]

Well I prefer adding batteries since it's more efficient

[nova osprey]

same

it is what it is though

[potent plume]

just but battery in turrent and also use dige

use both

[analog elbow]

Lmao

[crimson inlet]

The pain of a factory player, laziness to optimise

[solemn atlas]

same

[crimson inlet]

I've been selling 10k-11k bats per day since

[analog elbow]

Optimize is using Batteries bruh. it's efficient and doesn't give any burden to your usage

[nova osprey]

i haven't touched wuling ever since making a basic setup even though it's inefficient as hell lol

[analog elbow]

There's a reason Dev makes batteries lasts for so long in turrets.

[crimson inlet]

I know, I'm just too lazy to do that

[spring orchid]

Is Citrome A more efficient than Buck A

[analog elbow]

How dare you say this

[spring orchid]

🤔

[analog elbow]

[marsh jolt]

At Wuling, I have 2 Wuling Battery and 1 Jincao setup.

[analog elbow]

I'm going to clog your factory with sandleaf powder

[solemn atlas]

[crimson inlet]

If I can automatically sell stuff, I would do that than manually selling stuff

that's how lazy I am

[analog elbow]

ah so that comments are for yourself included. my bad

[solemn atlas]

@analog elbow this us what i meant before by marble race like

[crimson inlet]

but if its something my eye catches on, I would 100% give my all, like a rabbid dog

[solemn atlas]

3 item at same belt

lol

[analog elbow]

This is chen IQ factory

[solemn atlas]

nah that is tamiya track

[analog elbow]

Daym

[calm crow]

Da fuq you mean

[analog elbow]

Bro out here creating tracks

[nova cradle]

i dunno what else to add so i placed my depots like this now

[crimson inlet]

yes cuh, you do you but that also applies to me

[analog elbow]

So you're saying random bulls go?

[nova cradle]

yah

[solemn atlas]

yeah cus when u notice u can combine multiple product in same belt itnjust become that way for me

[potent plume]

add some conveyor circles

[crimson inlet]

I mean casual Factory player, not to the levels of a Factorio player

[analog elbow]

I'm going to delete my entire factory and place every thermal banks until building limit

[solemn atlas]

using converger splitter and belt pass for making shortcuts

[solemn atlas]

[analog elbow]

Eh nvm

I forgot i haven't done my deliveries

[crimson inlet]

I like Factorio's two belt system, but I guess the server might crash if they do it

[solemn atlas]

ngl i prolly need to make bottle overflow again innwuling

[spare fractal]

https://youtu.be/04Iyf22aIwA?si=4ircR8z74UAlVNc0

[solemn atlas]

to be sold for high level depot courier

[potent plume]

now add even more circles and make xiranite spin in that circle

[solemn atlas]

2 belt system?

[crimson inlet]

the one conveyor that can move 2 lines of items

[nova osprey]

make a chen

[ornate frigate]

Aight

Power usage dropped down to 1.91k

Absolute cinema

[solemn atlas]

@crimson inlet ou basically can make different product move side by side

[atomic fiber]

ye you will be surprised how much power usage you can bring down if you optimize your power usage

[solemn atlas]

ngl i nver bother with this much power ysage stuff

[nova osprey]

yeah i just shaved down 200 on v4 side

[solemn atlas]

i am too noob to make efficient factory anyway

[static isle]

Welp
I just realize my power is 1.76k and I don't have to bother with all PWM bs when one thermal is 1.8k

[solemn atlas]

[static isle]

I can just do that

[crimson inlet]

until you add a zipline

[static isle]

no that's with my ziplines built

[ornate frigate]

It aight Iuno

People learn over time

[crimson inlet]

oh damn

[solemn atlas]

@ornate frigate also more like uh

when u move to wuling

[ornate frigate]

[solemn atlas]

valley iv pretty much

no more update

to resource etc

[ornate frigate]

What do you mean?

[solemn atlas]

so kinda lile i just make anything that works

and dont bother with it again

lol

[crimson inlet]

Valley IV becomes a bankrupting sim where you bankrupt outposts for max profit

[ornate frigate]

As long as you can drain the outposts fr

[solemn atlas]

@ornate frigate as in uh like u cant make new production since u know the next time endfield update content it will be for wuling anyway

[static isle]

Isn't 18/18/24 more than enough to bankrupt outposts

[ornate frigate]

Of course

[ornate frigate]

Yes

I run 18/18/18

And outposts are still drained

[static isle]

like I have 25k batts left over

[nova osprey]

i run 18/18/120 (bottles)

[ornate frigate]

Dude

[solemn atlas]

18/18/24?

[ornate frigate]

I'm getting concerned over my 20k HC and Buck A surplus

[static isle]

18 buck A / 18 HC batts / 24 citrome C

[nova osprey]

18 hc, 18 buck/citrome a, 24 citrome c

[solemn atlas]

ou

[ornate frigate]

But if they're the only stuff I sell, my Citrome C will stockpile as well

Suffering from success for real

[solemn atlas]

citrome c is the low grade one?

forgot

[jovial breach]

Change to 12 buck 6 citrome

[nova osprey]

i have 80k buck A surplus, so im making citrome A now

[static isle]

yeah but it makes use of your amethyst
buck/citrome A and HC batts doesn't

[ornate frigate]

That's the thing

[nova osprey]

yes

[ornate frigate]

I don't have Citrome production

Except for Citrome C

Lmao

[solemn atlas]

tbh buck and citrome line

pretty much just change the plant

lol

[static isle]

they're the same

[nova osprey]

for me it was as easy as moving the planting units and replacing it with citrome

[solemn atlas]

yup

it just change the plant

but total heal

citrome is better

though with wuling u just sell everything

from.vallry 4

[ornate frigate]

Instant heal >>>

[spring orchid]

tbh

[solemn atlas]

lmao

[spring orchid]

I don't want to use citrome A

when yanzhen C

exists

[solemn atlas]

yeah

with wuling

u just use meds from wuling

[bright zodiac]

isnt it obvious

[solemn atlas]

so much better

[jovial owl]

@shrewd knoll You told me xiranite only takes 250 power to produce yesterday but I just can't replicate that at all LOL My set up eats 345 power

am I crazy

[static isle]

isn't Jincao > Yazhen C

[nova cradle]

i wish we can pick which sidee we want the water to flow in the facilities...

[bright zodiac]

who use valley4 meds nowadays

[ornate frigate]

I

I use Buck A

[static isle]

I think that's with sandleaf from depot instead of adding a sandleaf plant to the calc

[jovial owl]

then where does the sandleaf comes from then LOL

[solemn atlas]

when u put the left one in the pool is it white coloures?

[static isle]

yeah but 250 doesn't count the plant

[solemn atlas]

coloured

[nova cradle]

yep

[solemn atlas]

[ornate frigate]

[jovial breach]

[solemn atlas]

i see some sus potential

white bath

[quiet hedge]

I wanna use drone to shoot medicine water to heal

[solemn atlas]

[nova cradle]

im guessing whitee liquid = yazhen but the icon is green and vice versa?

[jovial breach]

White liquid ahh

[static isle]

problem
what do yall use for depot in Wuling
you have to use raw mats and not fac prods

[spring orchid]

citromix is still p good

the one that heals % based

but the mass produced one is yeah

[jovial breach]

I dont care i just hit max

[jovial owl]

I guess I was lied to LOL
Sandleaf has to be counted in the power otherwise where will be no carbon LOL

[static isle]

do you use sandleaf for the carbon too or are you using the wuling plants that give 2 carbon each

[solemn atlas]

wuling plant more efficient

[jovial breach]

Way more efficient

[solemn atlas]

yeah

[jovial breach]

You only need 1 farm

[solemn atlas]

u just use 1 farm to feed the entire carbon line

[jovial breach]

And with less machine each farm

[solemn atlas]

iirc

[static isle]

one wuling plant + one sandleaf powers a full forge at capacity
and efficient

[solemn atlas]

full forge for carbon only though

iirc

or was it until xyranite too

[jovial breach]

It is

[solemn atlas]

i forgot the recipe anyway

[solemn atlas]

lol

[jovial owl]

I am missing smthing important I'm pretty sure

[jovial breach]

Ignore the top pipe

[solemn atlas]

meanwhile i do the pollution route

put xyranite pipe to the water nearby

[jovial owl]

Is there like a recipe to unlock or smth?

[jovial breach]

Recipe for what?

[jovial breach]

Just put them in it

[solemn atlas]

u put the plant

[jovial breach]

Then it eill show

[jovial owl]

WTF

[solemn atlas]

it will be added to recipe list

[jovial owl]

so you are saying you can burn jincao

[jovial breach]

Some recipes are hidden

[solemn atlas]

@jovial breach reminds me that we can make crystron bottle but no one wants this sheet atm lol

[jovial owl]

and yazen

[solemn atlas]

prolly can sell it to crystron ygo monster

[jovial owl]

WTF this is diabolical

why didn't they tell you

[solemn atlas]

u know what is funny

i tried to put crystron bottle in packingmachine before

it says

u cant use this sheet

f this lol

[jovial owl]

I was so confused when you guys said Wuling plants can be burnt into charcoal and I was scratching my head like crazy looking at my recipe book

[glad needle]

OH MY FKIN GOD I DID IT

IT ONLY TOOK 1HR

[static isle]

mine look slightly different (ignore the wasted sandleaf powder line)

[solemn atlas]

my wuling battery production isnlike 13/ minute creation iirc

forgot

[jovial breach]

[solemn atlas]

need more battery production

[static isle]

isn't it 12/min max

[potent plume]

isn't like max 12?

[nova osprey]

damn nice job

[solemn atlas]

yeah i forgot anyway

lol

[jovial owl]

I've been lied to by this fugging game...... look at my stupid set up making sandleaf to burn

[static isle]

my component fac reuse that line except I don't have it on
bc I'm funneling all xiranite into batts

[jovial owl]

and ur telling me I can just make that into 2 machines

[solemn atlas]

the power of chinese plant

[jovial owl]

bro WHAT, they have to change this man

show it in the recipe book

[static isle]

china supremacy
this comment have been awarded social credit by the CCP

[solemn atlas]

@jovial breach u remember the material for zipline tower

[jovial owl]

how are they rewarding Unga Bunga behavior for doing what they don't tell you to do This is unacceptable

[jovial breach]

Cryston parts?

[solemn atlas]

yeah

better than bottle at least but most of them will just go to depot and sell them

[ornate frigate]

Cryston Parts

[solemn atlas]

[bright zodiac]

you save even more space since the loop now only need 2 instead of 3

just... need water pipe

[ornate frigate]

It's actually easy to make

[solemn atlas]

yeah

still more useful than bottle

is what i wanna say

[ornate frigate]

Iuno

[jovial owl]

I know! it went from 6 machines into just 2

those 5x5 machines are HUGE

[ornate frigate]

I reduced my Citrome C production for Cryston Parts

[bright zodiac]

TRUE, massive space hogging, esp at valley4

[ornate frigate]

Bottle has no use at the moment

[solemn atlas]

hope they update this lol

[vapid granite]

How tf did someone get a zipline up here

[slim moat]

whats the trade off between splitter spam and the infinite origocrust/powder loop thing for reducing belt throughput

[jovial breach]

I just forget the prod line of cryston as soon as i get to wuling and make xiranite for better gears

[slim moat]

is one just flat out better

[solemn atlas]

crystron only for tower

[ornate frigate]

[solemn atlas]

zipline tower good

[ornate frigate]

I have a feeling that Cryston Parts are gonna have more use in future updates

[solemn atlas]

110 meter limis per zipline iirc

[ornate frigate]

Prepared just in case

[solemn atlas]

same

[bright zodiac]

thing is, making cryston bottle to hoard at v4

it might be.... you know somewhat usable in the future

[solemn atlas]

i have itbfull stick

stock

[ornate frigate]

It's very easy to make

So might as well

[jovial breach]

The issue with zipline tower is not the zipline itself, it's the relay towers only have 80m limit

[bright zodiac]

the pain ofntyping with phonr

[jovial owl]

I stopped making Cryston parts LOL I had 80000 and I was like I am never going to finish using these

[slim moat]

if only there was a way of auto turning off idle buildings

[solemn atlas]

yeah it just makes u spend more towers electric tower

[jovial breach]

For normal zipline pylon you can just pair it with relay tower every 80m

[solemn atlas]

but the real use of the zipline max distance is more like to cross large gap

u need to set tower at normal route

zipline 100 m distance through the gap u cant walk

[jovial breach]

[jovial owl]

If there is one thing I want them to add to the game, it would be conveyor upgrade (quicker conveyor)

locking 30 units/min is crazy

[solemn atlas]

also useful for delivery when u need to deliver to thr post at top right map

u need to cross large lake

[jovial owl]

Satisfactory player be like: Conveyor Mk.5 OP

[jovial breach]

Lol i just go through the city from that pic

[ornate frigate]

Ziplines are so fun

Convenient as well

[solemn atlas]

it sad we have limit to this fun

cant just set it up all over the place

[ornate frigate]

Next up

[solemn atlas]

origin lodespring

has the most annoying spread up resource location

iirc

[paper magnet]

I'm surprised y'all still bother with v4 rare mats

[ornate frigate]

Zipline connection all over V4

[paper magnet]

Instead of just growing them

[solemn atlas]

i dont even grow them anymore

lol

need to get the wuling mats faster

[ornate frigate]

I don't even grow them ngl

[unreal laurel]

im back

[paper magnet]

I haven't stepped back into v4 ever since we got wifi

[ornate frigate]

When I need the mat

I just get it in the spots

[unreal laurel]

how exactly do u use all 360 originium in wuling?

[paper magnet]

I realized it's not worth growing the wuling mats

It takes like 60 hours like damn

[ornate frigate]

Battery?

[winged raptor]

oh God this is bad

[unreal laurel]

how many outputs does xiranite use?

[solemn atlas]

enough for 2 machines that use xyranite only afaik

2 has leftover u fan sell

but 3 is destroying your stock

annoying bottleneck

[unreal laurel]

ic

[ornate frigate]

[solemn atlas]

u can still make gearing unit along with 2 battery production

but u need to put item control port

at one facility

or u can say goodbye to your power

[quartz oriole]

Someone talk me out of using one of my forges to make fertilizer. Everything in my brain is telling me thats a bad idea but I'm just wanting to make something else other than the same stuff

[solemn atlas]

fertilizer wut

[merry wagon]

it's actually a good idea

[solemn atlas]

[bright zodiac]

mixing poop with xiranite

[solemn atlas]

lol

[bright zodiac]

hey im not, kidding

[merry wagon]

considering you only need like, 2 minutes to make a day's worth of fertilizer

just unplug the forge for a while

[solemn atlas]

nah i mean what material and facility u need

[merry wagon]

dung + xiranite water

[bright zodiac]

[solemn atlas]

use skyforge?

[quartz oriole]

Still planning out my daily cow slapping path to get the dung.

[merry wagon]

yes

[solemn atlas]

dem

imagine

using the limited machine

to make processed poop

[jovial breach]

Thermal bank

[merry wagon]

and then going back to xiranite production without even washing the forge

[solemn atlas]

@merry wagon and u use it to clean the blight

[quartz oriole]

You will hit a point that you don't need all the resources that you are farming. I'm overcapped and my wuling outpost is bankrupt.

[solemn atlas]

[bright zodiac]

you use it to make component to make something YOU WEAR forever

[solemn atlas]

poop gear

[merry wagon]

blight vs radioactive cow dung

[solemn atlas]

lol

[crude nebula]

99% germ free. You know what the 1% are

[solemn atlas]

@merry wagon oh there is somethinf nastier

u make xyranite water

fill it to bottle

empty the bottle

use the bottle to make medicine

[ornate frigate]

Fill the ponds with Liquid Xiranite

Iuno

[solemn atlas]

poop medicine

[bright zodiac]

hmm gold gear, good smells
hmm....

[glad needle]

I Think you cant connect ziplines across that line

[bright zodiac]

[merry wagon]

shhh that's additional vitamins

[quartz oriole]

I have 2 fluid tanks full of liquid Xiranite just in case I find more blight. Working on filling that pond that we drained with liquid xiranite

[solemn atlas]

@ornate frigate nah was talking about the not washing the machine after making fertilizer

[bright zodiac]

reminder, ginseng stew you eat... contains poop

[ornate frigate]

Washing is optional

[crude nebula]

My yanzhen syringe will deliver to blood directly

[raw geyser]

Guys what do I do in wuling? I setup all the mining thingy, and started to produce some xaranite but don't know what materials to get or what to actually do in that region for the factory and get the level 70 gears

[solemn atlas]

deliver poop to the blood

[ornate frigate]

Bro gonna suffer from Yazhenemia

[ornate frigate]

Plus a systemic infection

[quartz oriole]

I currently have 1.7k jincao infusion (the gold one) so I think I'm good on personal healing items

[bright zodiac]

have excess xiranite 60/m?

use 30 for battery
30 for xiranitecomponents

or 60 for components

[raw geyser]

Ohh so that's what I should do? Thanks for letting me know !!

[crude nebula]

Or 50 bat + 10 component

[ornate frigate]

Or 45 for Battery and 15 for Component

[crystal herald]

ehh tf?

[bright zodiac]

i literally shift into this when had enough first components,

[solemn atlas]

just use all for xyranite and use control port for component

[ornate frigate]

You still get surplus of products even after draining the outpost

[solemn atlas]

can set up batches of component production

[ornate frigate]

[crude nebula]

You cant even use all that component in the end, because you are poor to craft and artificing

[solemn atlas]

yeah

that is why i use item control port

for component

[quartz oriole]

Really just depends on how optimized you want to be. I normally go 9 batts and 1.5 components per min for the 1st 2 days of the week. Then switch to 12 batts per min for the rest of the week. I never fall below 10k components due to only being able to artifice 60x per week now.

[solemn atlas]

only create in batch

when i want to

the rest go to battery

[bright zodiac]

most ppl know that, but most ppl like to HOARD

48K xiranite components

[crude nebula]

I had 18k spare component , and still counting

[ornate frigate]

Mine is going up right now

Currently at 11k

[jovial owl]

might be a stupid question but please forgive my ignorance: So xiranite is hard capped at 2 machines = 60/minute?

[ornate frigate]

Producing 1.5/min

[ornate frigate]

Yes

[solemn atlas]

@ornate frigate rmeember when we used to stock pile all component and then the mail give 600

[ornate frigate]

no.

[jovial owl]

das sum bullll sheeeeet

[ornate frigate]

i hate that mail.

[solemn atlas]

lol

[ornate frigate]

its even the components we wont use.

[solemn atlas]

ikr

wish have option to trade old component to higher tier one

[ornate frigate]

I GOT ~80K CRYSTON COMPONENTS TF

[jovial owl]

like what? smth like 5 to one conversion?

[crude nebula]

It's "too easy" to reach gold tier armour, that low tear only become a display at this point in game

[solemn atlas]

anything works

[bright zodiac]

THEY will eventually have that....

i have 80k ame parts ferr parts cryston parts steel parts

[solemn atlas]

cuz old component just useless

[bright zodiac]

🤝

[quartz oriole]

You can easily skip all gear tiers until you get to gold.

[crude nebula]

Rather than that, they should change the gameplay, on 2nd city, purple tier should be the best you got

[bright zodiac]

[ornate frigate]

Actually nice to stockpile on the parts and Origocrust

[quartz oriole]

I had the og stuff when I beat the main boss. The stuff you craft with wood

[ornate frigate]

So you don't have to worry about construction

[solemn atlas]

yeah

origocrust is also stuff i still keep making

cuz drills need it

[bright zodiac]

we know we wont use them, we just love the number for.. some 'reason'

[solemn atlas]

new area= need new drill

origocrust is god tier item

[quartz oriole]

Crust is used to make certain machines

[solemn atlas]

[ornate frigate]

And this is why 18/18/24 and 20/min Origocrust is more superior than 18.67/17.67/24

[jovial owl]

wait until you see the new area actually requires Miner Mk.3 and it no longer uses Crust to make

[bright zodiac]

if you mean facilities, it doesnt matter. you can spend the mats from anywhere you already have them

[crude nebula]

How there will be new mining rig, with amethyst

[quartz oriole]

It'll require xiranite

[solemn atlas]

normal drill use normal rock?

[crude nebula]

Yes raw originium

[ornate frigate]

You drill rock

Using rock

It's not that deep

[solemn atlas]

though stuff like thermal bank use crust though?

[quartz oriole]

And you will have to hook up water to the drill

[crude nebula]

Thats why you refine rock with rock

[ornate frigate]

Everything is rock

[solemn atlas]

even cancer in arknight is caused by rock

[crude nebula]

Come from rock, back to rock

[solemn atlas]

[ornate frigate]

From rock you are, and to rock you shall be

[bright zodiac]

[jovial owl]

I dunno why but my gut feeling from playing Satisfactory tells me that we are going to get into drilling for oil and having to refine oil and stuff in later areas

[solemn atlas]

lol

[ornate frigate]

Oh yes

That is going to happen eventually

[crude nebula]

Well we done that to xianite already

[solemn atlas]

we still have one more rock to reveal iirc

[ornate frigate]

We gonna make Murica great again

[solemn atlas]

like

the research center has one other rock we dont have yet

[crude nebula]

Remember crafting ferts from dung recipe?

[ornate frigate]

Aight

[quartz oriole]

More automated farms would be nice. Why do I have to manually harvest and germinate the plots. Also allow us to keep our own cows so we can farm dung

[ornate frigate]

Time to clean up the factory

[jovial owl]

next area: Venezuela

[crude nebula]

So dijiang will bombard to invade it?

[jovial owl]

FBI is at your door

LOL

[ruby sorrel]

have the cows directly poop on the crops while you spray xiranite all over it

[solemn atlas]

i wish they automate the farm in valley iv

[crude nebula]

It should be called orinol (originium + olinol from Cars)

[solemn atlas]

that one just pure hell

[merry wagon]

and they eat up all your ginseng

[quartz oriole]

Exactly! Allow us to put liquid Xiranite in the sprayers

[crude nebula]

And they attack you when you are in the farm because of the boost

[bright zodiac]

more funny ridiculous, that burdenbeast can TALK hooman language

[solemn atlas]

remember that even if we log out the game the time still moving? so the plant never dies and eventually it will becone a thousand year old ginseng and the cow eat and cultivate using it to become a peak supreme martial artist

[merry wagon]

[quartz oriole]

Oh God yes I hate going there and plus those resources got power crept from everything in wuling.

[rigid oar]

they should add scanner upgrade that shows if a cow has already been pet

[crude nebula]

You go to farm in valley 4? I think i only go there for 5 times the whole time i play

[quartz oriole]

Will we ever have mounts in the game or are Ziplines our travel gimmick

[jovial owl]

I have a better story: the head of that area (president or some equivalent) is secretly dealing illegal buck A capsules and is being a menace to society so Endfield industries are tasked to visit that area (totally not invading) and capture the president for the greater good of talos II

[merry wagon]

actually they did mention it in game so

[jovial owl]

The Oil is just collateral

[jovial owl]

oh sheeeet its happenning

[solemn atlas]

we gonna go freedom mode

and monopolizenthe oik

oil

[jovial owl]

Speard Managed Democracy

[crude nebula]

So from PVE into
PVP massive multiplayer coop?

[haughty wharf]

My gear is fighting for its life rn

[solemn atlas]

isnt this overproduction

not like u can used it all

[nova pilot]

Am I the only one seeing wacky faces here?

[solemn atlas]

[crude nebula]

A squadron of dijiang gather above talos 2, what could go wrong

[jovial owl]

you have only 1 line of xiranite going in, you don't need 2 lines of crystal

[haughty wharf]

I wanted to maki it 100% efficiency but then I forgot we can only place two skyforges

[solemn atlas]

@nova pilot at least u didnt make this durinf 0 sanity moment

[jovial owl]

yeah 6/min eats your whole supply of 60 xiranite LOLOLOLOLLLLL

you can cut out 1 production line of the pyramid looking crystal thingy on the left

[nova pilot]

Yooow roller coaster update

[haughty wharf]

Yeah I was going to do that but i forgot which belt lead to which

[jovial owl]

Classic

[solemn atlas]

more like tamiya track

can actually make it bigger but the belt is so slow

[crude nebula]

Then fill more ore

[jovial owl]

this reminds me of pocket circuit

[solemn atlas]

yeah is possible

u can combine multiple item into single belt anyway

[nova pilot]

I wrote Balls

[solemn atlas]

fun race

[solemn atlas]

perpetual machine

[viscid plover]

[haughty wharf]

So what you call? Symmetrical

[livid cairn]

Supervisor will be proud.

[merry wagon]

I like the fact that you filled in all the empty spaces with those useless circular belts

10/10

[nova pilot]

Its not useless, they're Chen's idea

[umbral smelt]

can this be improved (besides the power pole placement)? here is the blueprint:

[nova pilot]

[umbral smelt]

besides power pole placement, it has two empty regions that I want to fill

[nova pilot]

Uhmmm... I don't see any seed inlets for the Planting Unit in the middle

[umbral smelt]

what?

[nova pilot]

Do you manually put those?

[umbral smelt]

yes

[nova pilot]

Ohh

[umbral smelt]

this is the improved version of my dense carbon module and based on the first iteration, it can sustain itself with seeds

[hidden temple]

uhh what's going on in that plant loop middle right

it has no output

[umbral smelt]

wait, hold on, thanks for noticing it

[uneven ledge]

how do yall "inject" the circular belts with items

[hidden temple]

belt out of a depot stash, place item inside depot stash, remove depot stash, connect belt's ends

[umbral smelt]

fixed

[uneven ledge]

oh god that'll take a billion years for a full base

[umbral smelt]

like, this @hidden temple?

nice

but there are no other things to fix besides the empty spaces right?

[shrewd knoll]

are you just trying to make carbon?

since farm into refinery

[umbral smelt]

yes and for xiranite pipeline optimization

[shrewd knoll]

but you wouldnt use the triple farms to do that

because a single wuling farm can supply enough for one xiranite

[umbral smelt]

you can but I like to improve its performance (by balancing ratios for less power consumption per xiranite

and I am not used to the pipe feature yet so

[shrewd knoll]

currently, you are using 50 on each farm, so 100 to produce the item to burn, wuling farm would use 30 to produce 2 carbon

so by that logic, the wuling farm with the water is a lot less power hungry

even if you include the 10 for the pump

[umbral smelt]

hold on, can you elaborate on this more?

[shrewd knoll]

you should put the yazhen and jincao into a refinery first

then you can compare

since they do not show for the recipe until you process them

your setup is still good, just not for xiranite

[umbral smelt]

wait, as I look at the recipes for the refinery unit, jincao can produce 2 carbon per jincao?

[shrewd knoll]

yea

its not a bug

[umbral smelt]

weird but alright man, thanks for the tip

[lime solar]

Noobie question here what is depot bus port? In WuLing?

[shrewd knoll]

with all your other buildings in the facilities

[ornate frigate]

Aight at least it's sustainable now

[lime solar]

Like what is it for is what I'm trying to ask.

[shrewd knoll]

its the same bus depot like in valley but you choose where it goes

[lime solar]

Okay so Either in storage or to some facility?

[shrewd knoll]

the thing where you put loaders and unloader onto

so yes, its the storage thing

[lime solar]

Will it work without bus depot unlocked?

[shrewd knoll]

you cant build it without unlocking it

[lime solar]

I just started WuLing building process so I don't even have an area expansion

[lime solar]

No no I mean the depot unlocking from that star wars robot looking guy

Like area to expansion

[shrewd knoll]

yea, you literally wont be able to build "place" them until you unlock it there

[lime solar]

Got it

[shrewd knoll]

you can construct them after unlocking the technology, but they are worthless until you expand

[lime solar]

Cool

Thanks amte

*mate

[bright dagger]

is this more efficent then leading a unloader directly into a refinery?

[shrewd knoll]

depends on how you want to build, personally banking ferrium is pointless since it's not used for anything besides processing again

and it doesnt improve your through put for any follow up processing

you will still be unloading them at same rate

but if you also means the splitters for the refineries, there no point in doing that either

[bright dagger]

oh

darn

[shrewd knoll]

the refinery runs at 100% with one full belt going through it

so you are just splitting them up and making them sleep half the time

[ornate frigate]

Before vs after

[spring orchid]

This isn't efficient

splitter halves the belt output

[young stag]

why are you splitting it

[oak chasm]

what turret is the best for energy alluvium

[young stag]

all the purple ones and gun mk2

[warm gorge]

what is amethyst used for in late game? I maxed out my originium and ferrium usage and have 3 packagers and fillers each making HC batts and buck A

[unique sentinel]

does the depot ever max out on space for raw materials and craftec components?

[young stag]

nun

i guess maybe citrome c

[warm gorge]

ok ty

[spring orchid]

I went with 2 purple 4 HE and 2 surge

HE has staggers so it's nice

[ancient charm]

Just max out your team and none of them will ne issue

[oak chasm]

it is i just don't want to fight them manually

[crimson inlet]

wishing for the day factory playera will make this

GIVE US UNDERGROUND CONVEYORS

[ancient charm]

Bruh most of them u click and they die, literally no skill involved

[oak chasm]

exactly it's boring

[ancient charm]

Setting up turrets then taking them down is boring too

[shrewd knoll]

the factory doesnt even make sense cuz the guy had like 10 belts of nuts coming from bottom but decided to add 2 more to make on site

what was this guy smoking

[willow tundra]

just place and be done, why take it down?

[crimson inlet]

fent

[unreal laurel]

the dev who keeps making unsymmetrical shit is definitely responsible for this bs

[severe nexus]

SR Latch prototype

[unreal laurel]

wtf is that numbering

[unreal laurel]

latch?

[severe nexus]

Yeah

[unreal laurel]

wdym latch

like the door thing?

wtf am i looking at exactly?

[severe nexus]

A latch stores a single bit

You provide input at S to set Q to 1, or at R to set Q to 0

[spring orchid]

so a transistor?

[severe nexus]

Umm I don't think so

[nova osprey]

no it's an sr latch

they're different

[severe nexus]

Not sure what a transistor in AIC would look like, all this does is store a single bit

[spring orchid]

how does SR latch work different than a transistor then

[unreal laurel]

why

wtf are u trying to do

[spring orchid]

oh

wait

I think I get it

[unreal laurel]

i swear to god you better not be building a pc that runs doom

[severe nexus]

I just thought it would be interesting to build

[spring orchid]

people have animated bad apple here

[nova osprey]

we definitely should lol

[nova osprey]

i mean the animation was using multiple screenshots

idk if it can compare

[spring orchid]

true

but I think it's doable

with automation

[nova osprey]

definitely

[spring orchid]

you just need to cook more

[severe nexus]

I'm not sure if a computer can fit in the aic area unless all the components are super compact

[nova osprey]

might be limited due to size though

[spring orchid]

wuling PAC probably is the best use

since we are empty on content rn

[nova osprey]

i think v4 would be better

you could take obscure materials and use them to send signals between subpacs and pacs.. maybe

[spring orchid]

I think wuling better just because

You can use the current fac setup for sub pac

[nova osprey]

mm

[spring orchid]

I don't want my factory having downtime

[severe nexus]

Does anyone know if you can do logic gates with fluid pipes?

[spring orchid]

[spring orchid]

Why would u want to build logic gates here anw

[nova osprey]

i didn't do enough comp end to know this stuff

[shrewd knoll]

you can probably inject different liquids and do stuff with it but because it has a directional flow, that makes it very bulky

[nova osprey]

doom

[spring orchid]

It's not possible rn tho

mostly because

we do not have NO function

Splitters is AND gate

[nova osprey]

ah yeah no not function

[spring orchid]

we need a NO gate to actually make proper logic gates

[severe nexus]

I don't know much about how pipes work but if they are analogous to belts, you could probably implement the same circuits but way faster

[spring orchid]

[nova osprey]

maybe someone will figure out a way

[spring orchid]

maybe but we lack the foundations of it

[severe nexus]

We kind of do have a not gate

[spring orchid]

binary system works because splitter turns something to a base 2

[spring orchid]

elaborate

[shrewd knoll]

the pipes are just storage tanks and move between each other after every break in the pipe

[severe nexus]

But it requires an additional input

One sec

[spring orchid]

If we do logic gates deffo can be cooked, though I don't see a practical application YET

binary system has practical application in PWM

[nova osprey]

no way we get an actual practical application

[spring orchid]

I wouldn't bet against this

[nova osprey]

i just mean size wise

[spring orchid]

there might be a possibility of use case later on

[nova osprey]

or idk

actually wait yeah

[spring orchid]

rn no

[nova osprey]

sorry lmao im only thinking computers

[spring orchid]

definitely

[shrewd knoll]

so they are essentially belts if you put a single pipe and then something else immediately after it

[spring orchid]

I mean like later

binary system is used for PWM because it breaks down seconds and rate of flow to bits

and you can adjust it to reach max efficiency of batteries

I don't use PWM but I do use it's foundations (rate of flow) to adjust my factory so I reach max efficiency (1.95k power in wuling)

by splitting my battery use to 11/min and using the extra xiranite for components

[severe nexus]

Red input blue output

[spring orchid]

🤔

isn't that more of a Loop gate

insteadd of a NO gate

this will be split regardless

[severe nexus]

The presence of flow on red belt blocks the flow on blue belt

You use different items on each color

I just haven't set up the item control in that pic

[spring orchid]

this one is converger?

[severe nexus]

Left is converger and right/top left is splitter

[spring orchid]

I would say item control acts more as a NO gate than the loop

right it shouldn't be blocked

it should still flow

[severe nexus]

Wdym

[unique sentinel]

there is no way to automate making orginium mining rings to make Mk 1 or Mk 2 Mining rings is there?

[spring orchid]

why do you thinks this will block

that's my question

[severe nexus]

If there is flow on red, it will take priority on the converger

[spring orchid]

nope

[shrewd knoll]

you dont need to because they craft instantly and in the thousands if you wanted to

[spring orchid]

ah I never know about converger priority

[shrewd knoll]

not enough mining nodes to accomodate them either

[spring orchid]

is there something I need to know about converger priority?

[unique sentinel]

not sure I understand what you mean there...

[severe nexus]

I just learned about this so what I say might not be completely correct. If you have a splitter pointing into a converger, that converger will prioritize input lanes in a clockwise direction starting from the output direction

So if the red flow in that pic exists, the converger will always prioritize taking stuff from red belt over blue belt

[spring orchid]

isn't it more of an OR gate instead of a no gate?

no gate should be item control I'd argue

since >if flow max

no flow from other path

[severe nexus]

If you only use the blue output lane it acts as not

Since red flow -> no blue flow, no red flow -> blue flow

[spring orchid]

that's why I say it acts more like an OR

well

XOR

not OR

[severe nexus]

I don't understand

[spring orchid]

XOR is only one direction allowed

so either blue or red

No blocks it completely

[severe nexus]

Imo xor should be if two input lanes are flowing then the single output lane is not

The blue stash just acts as a source for the output blue flow, it isn't an input itself

Practically speaking I am fairly sure it works as a not, since I use 2 of them in the sr latch

[umbral smelt]

YEAH! why does endfield don't have this

[spring orchid]

Oh I see why you say that is a No logic

[umbral smelt]

oh? you guys are talking about logic gates?

[spring orchid]

Yep

Hmm

I still feel this is more of a XOR

maybe someone can give a better input

[umbral smelt]

ok so what is the situation?

[spring orchid]

NOT gates is just item-control I'd argue

[umbral smelt]

I may be able to help

[severe nexus]

How would you implement not with item control?

[umbral smelt]

oh and btw, we can make an and gate

[spring orchid]

Hold on

[umbral smelt]

hold on

[spring orchid]

I think I can understand how the logic works

yeah it might be NO gate, mostly because a 0 in endfield MUST have a produce going @severe nexus

the logic here is that

An 0 is only useful

if it can be inverted

again

to 1

[severe nexus]

Yeah, having output flow on 0 input is the main reason why the blue protocol stash is there

[spring orchid]

If there isn't like

any produce going out

it's irrelevant

[umbral smelt]

though I may ask as to why do you need to use logic gates for item control?

[severe nexus]

The logic gates are not for item control or anything really

They are just a fun proof of concept

[spring orchid]

There is two situations

of NO gate tbh

[umbral smelt]

sure, we may need it for controlling items, but digress the idea of implimenting it on endfield

[spring orchid]

Either with produce, or no produce

With produce as an alternative bit

No produce means well, 0

For now we don't really need to use the other one

and with no produce we can just use item control

[umbral smelt]

the facilities are too big to actually make a practical item manager

[jagged swallow]

Is there a guide for Sub Pac for more cash
And wuling Pac and Sub pac for battery and cash?

[spring orchid]

It might be useful later on when there is a problem of such

space efficiency

[severe nexus]

Instead of flow/no flow, an alternative to binary is to always have flow but with 2 different item types

[spring orchid]

where you have to like need to split produces in two different lanes

but like

that's a very IF scenario later on, no cases of it rn

and we have modular blueprints if we just need to swap productions rn anw

[umbral smelt]

hmmmm true, but since endfield has a shapez.io-esque factory building than factorio, overproducing would be a more practical

[spring orchid]

This is the fact, the way it works is similar to two-conveyor belt thing in factorio

except you can switch it on and off

to just have it one specific produce

[umbral smelt]

it would require specialized facility to even achieve that goal

[spring orchid]

very specialized but rn

we're very baby

[umbral smelt]

yes

[spring orchid]

we do not need something this complex

like specifically rn

[umbral smelt]

yes, and depot size tells us that we can only produce a set ammount before it reaches full cap

[spring orchid]

in a way we're rewarded

to just overproduce

or just adjusting the ratios of input/outputs, instead of using/building a proper logic gate (with NO gate, at the very least)

[umbral smelt]

sure, but if I were you, I would just play another game if we were to deal with these complicated logistics problem

[spring orchid]

I'm not arguing against or pro, I'm just assessing the usefulness of NO logic gates rn

[umbral smelt]

ah, I see

[spring orchid]

And in fact I'm arguing more FOR ratio-flow based production instead

which is important and allows you to do some funny stuff

For example, I didn't use PWM at all

I just made my battery production to 11/min

and turned the 1/min battery -> 0,5 component

which means I have excess originium

The excess I used as power, so I don't need to do any PWM

Ratio of resources matter more since current state endfield factory is more of input-> output stabilization

[umbral smelt]

you have a point there, it can be a problem when it comes to minmaxing resources

[spring orchid]

our bottleneck in endfield is more on the resource side rather than "logics"

that's why PWM is relevant

it's to maximize efficiency of resources, which in this case, "batteries"

[umbral smelt]

this might be a debatable opinion but it would be better if you did not fully use all of the available resources (rate of production of ore) as small increase of ore demand can hurt your production on the long run and the module(facilities) would compete for resources

[severe nexus]

i am powering my wuling entirely off of valley batteries atm, so i have a not gate in my backup power generator

[spring orchid]

I'd argue using EVERYTHING is the best case scenario

[spring orchid]

this might be an use case for valley batteries

I mean NOT gate, maybe

[umbral smelt]

say that I theoretically use 410/min with 420/min production of ore

[spring orchid]

Oh no I mean not this

Actually

no

it's fine

a deficit of -10 is usually

something that isn't too chronic

because here's the thing in endfield

to produce something, you usually need multiple resources

Buck A for example need sandleaf, buckflower, iron

if you lack a production of a specific resource

it will basically "bottleneck" the usage of other resources

your biggest problem in endfield is how to MAXIMIZE the usage of all of your resources

[low obsidian]

[spring orchid]

There's why this exists (https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1466043358509273349)

[low obsidian]

I accidentally maxed the wuling currency

[spring orchid]

stockpile

sanity permit is also p nice to have

we don't need to buy any wuling engrave tickets rn, but you can always stockpile that too

My priority is always > artificing(discounted) > gifts(discounted) > engrave ticket(discounted) > sanity permit

[umbral smelt]

right.....

[spring orchid]

there's also a neat thing in endfield

where even if you say, make maximized use of your resources

480/480 for example

you will always have a surplus

because the code doesn't always make your factory run or smth

and there'll always be some trickle of resources coming from your factory loops

I used 1080/1080 ferrium in my Valley IV, and I get like 4k ferrium per day despite of it

[low obsidian]

THANKS FOR THE INFO I FORGOT IT

[spring orchid]

it's good to stockpile artificing materials since new sets can always come

and if new sets is better than what you currently own

you'd need to artifice it

[umbral smelt]

I guess talos II has its own laws then

[spring orchid]

I'd argue just the code for PAC doesn't make it so factory run with 100% uptime, and maybe like 95% uptime instead

[umbral smelt]

but are there any recoreded cases of that niche thing happen to others?

[spring orchid]

so there'll always be some bleed of resources coming out of your factory loops

maybe someone can vouch my theory

[low obsidian]

[severe nexus]

theoretical usage isnt exactly accurate since it will report full consumption even if the facilities arent at 100% uptime

[spring orchid]

that's where all my wuling stock bills go

[umbral smelt]

It could be, endfield is almost a month old and we do not have enough evidence to support it

[spring orchid]

dw, I'm broke after buying it

I don't regret it

[low obsidian]

Well i think i should keep some

[umbral smelt]

AFAIK, theoretical usage is the sum of all produced units within a min

[spring orchid]

I would say upgrade all of your PAC and sub PACs first

so you get a jumpstart in terms of development level

on the next patch

personally I don't keep it since I still need to upgrade this AND buy more artificing materials

[low obsidian]

Cuz the info say next patch soon

[spring orchid]

soon is still like 3 weeks

3 1/2 weeks

[low obsidian]

Probably will be more artifcing material extensions

[spring orchid]

I always empty out the 60k

not touching the 120k tho

[umbral smelt]

Okay, moving on

[spring orchid]

then the rest for sanity ticket + engrave

[umbral smelt]

should I pool all of my batteries for energy generation solely or sell them even if all of the outpost are lvl 4?

[spring orchid]

I always have surplus of like 1k-2k batteries so I transfer em to wuling

but I always sell them

I transfer them after each week

[umbral smelt]

the wuling version right?

[spring orchid]

HC valley

to wuling

I'm using it next patch

I am sitting on 28k wuling batteries, and 28k yanzheng C rn

I'm currently going to change my yanzheng production to jinchao

[umbral smelt]

ohh, they can buy HC valley batteries in wuling?

[spring orchid]

so I don't reach 48k

(storage limit)

[umbral smelt]

I am wrapping my head over this lol

[spring orchid]

No but I can use it for next patch

we gonna expand our factory next patch so

best have surplus batteries (not wuling) that we can use

wuling I keep to sell

[umbral smelt]

do you also intend to design a new megabase for the next update?

[spring orchid]

My design is always modular not megabase style

megabases have better efficiency than modular style tho

but modular style is easier to teach

to new players

[formal minnow]

why is dige using convergers instead of belts now?

[spring orchid]

[low obsidian]

Yeah too expensive

[umbral smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/fma-friendship-armstrong-sig-curtis-gif-17255470484276983315

nice

[spring orchid]

Would say just stockpile artifice + engrave ticket

[spring orchid]

also modular style bonus is that

you can always edit it

easily

to supplicant smth else

for example, I need more components?

I just need to adjust the xiranite flow to my battery maker

which just needs me to change some belts

it's a difference between specializisation and generalized, I prefer smth that just have no reason to be overengineered