aic-factory

[spring vessel]

so i can gamble

and lose the entire gdp of infra base to a bad call

[spring vessel]

Perlica please inform endfield employees that the endmin has just lost the entire food budget over stocks going down

[young stag]

no it’s all just convergers and fluid tanks

[exotic void]

Raaaaaaaah there's not enough factory I need more factory

[storm junco]

Surprisingly it still produced 60/60 xyranite

[nova lodge]

well...yea, it just split into 3 lanes

[storm junco]

I have this dumb ideas

What if we take one of these lane..

[merry wagon]

is it possible that we get AIC events in the future

[storm junco]

To xyranite components n gear

[nova lodge]

not exactly dumb, if you meant producing xiranite gear.

[storm junco]

Yes

So it be running 50/xyranite

10 to xyrnaite gear

[solid imp]

I want some crazy factory endgame mode i can flex my factorio on and trim medals

[nova lodge]

nothing dumb about that, just much more annoying to control xiranite usage for production.

[dense wyvern]

A crazy annoying thing they could do is have like factory essence that you can put on building and belts to increase speed and mess up all the ratios.

Then you let the maximum optimizers do their thing.

[hard phoenix]

so with this + the other bp should make 11 batt and .5 gear mats?

this being the other bp

[marble yarrow]

yeah, also i made a small modification for it, ill send the image

[storm garnet]

mfw i went back to valley 4 and power was down cause i ran out of originium ore

[hard phoenix]

i just realized you said to make 1 normal battery plant, wdym by that

[marble yarrow]

the left side makes 6/min
the right side is the modified 5/min

[storm garnet]

i think i'll never do this direct insertion ever again, batteries go all to depot from now on

[dense wyvern]

[ancient zinc]

300k power soon?

[hard phoenix]

the right side being the original bp you sent and the left side being the thing i should add?

[ancient zinc]

[storm garnet]

i just used wuling batteries to jump start it

[marble yarrow]

yeah the left side is the 6/min. wait imma send that one

this is the 5/min battery + 0.5/min component

[hard phoenix]

wait a single sandleaf farm is suppose to carry all that by itself?

[marble yarrow]

this is the 6/min battery

[hard phoenix]

ok ty

[marble yarrow]

2 sandleaf farms

then 2 xiranite forge full setup

[hard phoenix]

so i do this twice?

[marble yarrow]

yes

[hard phoenix]

aaah

with 2 sandleaf farms on the side?

[marble yarrow]

they are side by side with my setup

[hard phoenix]

aaah

ty ty

[fluid fog]

Gonna design again for excess resource.

I already keep depleting stock exchange KEKW

[storm garnet]

in wuling it's 2 sandleaf loops for the originium cubes and another 2 for xiranite btw

just in case you mix the 2

the xiranite ones aren't fully used, but both are needed anyways

[jovial breach]

Im sure the 4th sandleaf can be shared between battery and component

[storm junco]

120 xyranite

[marble yarrow]

11 batt + 0.5 component

alternating 1 and 0

devs pls add decimal

[jovial breach]

0.5 component means 1/12 xiranite split?

[marble yarrow]

yes

[storm garnet]

component uses less sandleaf, so idk what the math is for it if you are making components

[sacred pollen]

Im using a battery efficiency bp and is the protocol stash supposed to be on belt free?

[storm garnet]

but might as well make the factory as if just making 12/min batteries

then give some materials to the components line when needed

[marble yarrow]

yeah. because if not, that will become full

[storm garnet]

you can just put a depot loader there, no need for a stash

for the stash above, just loop back from the left and bridge it

and merge everything

less space and 10 less energy

[sacred pollen]

alright but im confused how will the thermal bank get energy if everything is geting transported before

[storm garnet]

there will be 1 magical moment when everything aligns and the battery gets in the bank

[sacred pollen]

ohh ok ima do that and see thank you

[storm garnet]

splitters (and mergers) are predetermined, it's not random

they go exit 1, then 2, then 3

if using less than 3 exits, they skip the unused ones

btw, this random memo made me realize i could just bomb minerals for instant mining

[nova lodge]

i find that bombing can be slower compared to a ranged gunner team.

especially if the minerals are spread out.

[storm garnet]

it's just that my teammates are kinda dumb with mining lately, idk

[solid imp]

Let me put miners on the rare minerals please getting them daily is a pain

[nova lodge]

get it once every 4 days?

[storm garnet]

well, it's not daily, but 4 days

[solid imp]

But i wanna automate

[storm garnet]

also, they are not really needed that much, dijiang farming is enough

[marble yarrow]

(i just plant and harvest in dijiang coz lazy)

[storm garnet]

i'm just farming the nodes so i can be lazy with both in the future

[nova lodge]

with the current character count, you will probably overflow soon enough and can go lazy mode.
gold tier plants might be your focus later though.
since its much more limited.

[solid imp]

I am overflowed but it feels bad to let them just sit there :c

[storm garnet]

plants give x3 on pick up though

[solid imp]

What if i need more later

[storm garnet]

we'll probably get new ones with new regions, so no need to farm too many

[solid imp]

(Even if I'll always have more rare materials than the needed sanity locked stuff)

TBF i already stopped grabbing recycling stations

[nova lodge]

still grabbing everything without overly straining myself.

[storm garnet]

i stopped going to owls long ago, i just grab them if they are in the way

random pylon from early game i put there thinking i might use it. never used it till now

[storm junco]

65 xyranite x x

[storm garnet]

it's funny they put a death plane there so players don't jump

today gathering got too annoying, i'm officially done with gathering

[tacit basin]

I cant able to use this blueprints

[runic epoch]

You have something in your AIC tree that's not unlocked

[tacit basin]

I unlocked every wuling aic plan

[jovial oak]

Looks like jincao drink and yazhen syringe sell for same is there any benefit to making one over the other? Which is used more for combat bt the two or does it not matter?

[runic epoch]

Functions the same as buck and citrome

In terms of combat I think the powders are more used

[crimson inlet]

how about valley AIC tech tree?

[runic epoch]

I forgor if the depot bus was part of the tree
Perhaps it's that

[crimson inlet]

Me when I grinded 50 times and not a 3:3 essence has dropped in Wuling:

[storm garnet]

did you finish the main story

[runic epoch]

If it's for laev just do the first and second attributes

[tacit basin]

70% done

[nova lodge]

essense....the true endgame farming.

[crimson inlet]

-# I got 10 2:3 attributes essences dawg

[tacit basin]

Nope , at progress II

[runic epoch]

Finish the story 💔

[crimson inlet]

I did, I managed to use up all my engraving permits

[tacit basin]

Ok god it

[ancient zinc]

RNG

[crisp idol]

will this clog?

[runic epoch]

Probably not

[ancient zinc]

Whatcha cooking?

[runic epoch]

Depends on whats the other material

[marble yarrow]

JUST BELT IT DIRECTLY BRO 🥀

[crisp idol]

28.75/30

[storm garnet]

that's for the weak

[ancient zinc]

Let him cook man

[marble yarrow]

you havent placed a converger. that would flow normally

[storm garnet]

yep, you have to converge whatever you split if you want it below 30

when back into the depot i mean

[jovial oak]

O interesting ty. Never got to know what the consensus is on buck and citrom it doesnt matter which u make right?

[storm garnet]

also, convergers bug out when placed right next to a facility

those bugs give me nightmares

[marble yarrow]

sussy number

[storm garnet]

i just did this and got bottles from meta transfer

[unreal laurel]

wtf is wrong with u

[unreal laurel]

why the proto storage?

[storm garnet]

to merge them together so they split evenly

[marble yarrow]

easiest

[unreal laurel]

just use a 4th depot atp

[storm garnet]

but that's more space to the left

[unreal laurel]

just not like this

idk whats happening there

[storm garnet]

what's happening is that he is using 1 too many refineries

[unreal laurel]

couldve sworn 4 depots was enough to run all 3 at 100% but ig not

[storm garnet]

you can never get the ferrium on wuling at full without making ratios

you have max 115 ferrium, for 4 belts you need 120

[hard phoenix]

@marble yarrow 🥳

tysm!

[steep siren]

Is this enough to sell out trading post?

[marble yarrow]

yeah. thats enough

[unreal laurel]

why....

just why....

which dev did that

[low fern]

my designs deserve a noble prize

[unreal laurel]

im gonna bet its the same guy who made the aic building have no centre and the same guy who made the depot line in sub pacs 1too wide leaving a space

probably also the same guy who made belts need a space between machines and also the same guy who decided to not have a standard size to base every machine off

[marble yarrow]

wait, how many batteries are you using?

[unreal laurel]

2x2 3x3 makes sense
then u have 4x6

[marble yarrow]

the usage looks weird

[steep siren]

1.39

[unreal laurel]

why 4....

[marble yarrow]

1 bank + 1 cycling?

[steep siren]

2 cycling

[marble yarrow]

then the outpost will have like, 900 bills left, every hour

its ok, eventually you'll stop that component line

and you'll catch up

[shut silo]

rate my engineering /10

[storm garnet]

no convergers/10

i did this one before for fun, it's effectively 200 energy

my calculator was doing weird things (totally not me), so i might be wrong

[shut pike]

look what i made

[shut silo]

oh wait, now I understand the splitter order, I can make a better one than last one

[storm garnet]

is that a solid tank?

[shut pike]

yes sir

[storm garnet]

great

[shut silo]

this gives.... 20 power per second...?

wait no

that was the last one

[storm garnet]

why use storage when you can just merge them

[exotic void]

Your protocol storage buildings are eating all the power you're making

[shut silo]

yeah.. right

[crimson inlet]

Does making the protocol stash set in storage mode not use power?

[shut silo]

how do I even divide it?, its 1 battery per 128 seconds and...

oh...

[storm garnet]

i think not, you have to turn it off

[shut silo]

yeah I know it now

[storm garnet]

tbh, the mode toggling might as well not exist since turning it off is better

[shut silo]

this thing should be around 343 power right?

dont ask me why there is an extra converger there

[storm garnet]

90º ocd?

[shut silo]

no, I dont have ocd

[crimson inlet]

damn

also, this is what D.I.G.E. gave me

Considering compactness, can I just reduce the top part from using 3 stashes to 1 stash?

[jovial oak]

Wuling factory feeling much nicer after using outpost to just make flowers, dense originium powder, ferrium bottles and parts to make main factory setup cleaner

[crimson inlet]

if you're wondering why am I at 5k power, I've clogged those thermal banks just to kickstart it quicker

[unreal laurel]

helo

u doing cm9?

[crimson inlet]

CM9?

[unreal laurel]

yes

[crimson inlet]

I'm still in the process of learning this stuff

but it works, it consumes about 13% of reserves before burning

[unreal laurel]

....

[spring elm]

this is driving me out of my mind. Im just trying to make Xiranite using Stabilized Carbon and Water. It cloggs because the flow rate is faster than the Stabilized Carbon input. I've tried increasing the input to 4 belts from the PAC but the water still fills faster. How do I solve this? I've also tried to "reduce" the flow rate by adding a fluid tank to catch the excess water but that's a no go either.

[storm garnet]

why do you care about the water

[crimson inlet]

so, roughly 2,958w average

[crimson inlet]

I'm sorry, I don't know what CM9 is

[storm garnet]

as long as there is enough water, if there is excess, that's fine, excess is always ok unless when optimizing

[unreal laurel]

for the game umamusume....

[solid imp]

Don't worry about the water filling too fast, it "clogging" on water doesn't matter

[stray jasper]

Guys does splitter make the water flow slow or no

[solid imp]

As long as the forge is making 30 xiranite per minute it's fine

[crisp idol]

so i wasn't crazy...

[storm garnet]

if 1 to 1, no

[unreal laurel]

y

[crimson inlet]

OHH, I'm not playing Umamusume atm, so...

[unreal laurel]

dang。。。。

?？

[crisp idol]

pumps make 1 water every 1 second, facilities only use 1 water every 2 seconds

[unreal laurel]

can you see what i did?

[marble yarrow]

they dont like the 50 water staying in the forge lmaoo

[spring elm]

ok

[solid imp]

If you're bothered by it filling up on water for visual reasons that's on you but it won't impact production as long as it's getting enough of both

[dense wyvern]

Then you need somewhere to dump the excess water infinitely. Like using another facility or dumping it back in the river.

[storm garnet]

if i don't see 50 water, that's when i actually worry

[spring elm]

yeah I see now this is by design

[storm garnet]

also, pipes can feed up to 4 facilities

2 per second, 4 per 2 second flow rate

[spring elm]

You may laugh, but it can literally take me hours figuring out how to get around this crap with other facilities.

[dense wyvern]

The visual isn't as clear as the belts so yeah, it can be a little confusing.

[unreal laurel]

elaborate on that ......

[crisp idol]

if you don't want it to clog, shut off the water until you have a pipe splitter sending the other water to your second xiranite facility and only then reconnect the pipe

[unreal laurel]

。。。

[crisp idol]

if you dont have a second one yet, go research and make it

[stoic coyote]

so 1 pump 4 facilities

[crisp idol]

*2 pumps >> converge into 1 pipe >> split into 4 facilities

[young stag]

just split it by half

[unreal laurel]

pls elaborate

[dense wyvern]

Pumps only pump 1/s.

But the pipes can handle 3/s. But to reach that you need to converge many 1/s pumps.

[crisp idol]

pipes flow 2 units/second, pumps themselves only flow 1 unit/second, facilities flow 0.5 units/second

[dense wyvern]

You could also just make 2 separate lines from the 2 different pumps. This just helps save pipe space.

[storm garnet]

2 pumps, 1 converger, now you have a pipe that can feed 4 facilities

[frigid citrus]

does anyone here follow Blueprints from kyostinv?
question here....on valley especially in plateu...which one is recommended to build the Sub AIC one or Extra ??

[young stag]

is my pipework confusing or not

[storm garnet]

nah, pipes are pipes, what is to get confused about

[shut silo]

why not all in for batteries?

[young stag]

i am though

[storm garnet]

doesn't understand it at all meme

[young stag]

that’s yazhen i’m making

[storm garnet]

but why

[shut silo]

I thought you were making syringes

[young stag]

i’m honestly out of things to do with the aic so i’m just filling this back up again

[crisp idol]

the bridges are unnecessary but it's not confusing dw

[shut silo]

uhhh..

[young stag]

who knows maybe i’ll need it again

[storm garnet]

no liquid xiranite

[solid imp]

Time to drown in insulin or whatever it is

[young stag]

xiranite isn’t as green as yazhen

[solid imp]

Liquid xiranite is neon green

[storm garnet]

it is actually

[young stag]

well this looks greener

[storm garnet]

nuclear green, so greeen textures glitch out

[solid imp]

The yazhen solution always looks greener on the other side huh

[storm garnet]

you might be thinking of how it looks in a tank, that's wrong

you can quickly check it on the river next to the aic

[visual oyster]

Helooo, hab question

[storm garnet]

if fills with just 45 units

[storm garnet]

no

[visual oyster]

Yesh

[storm garnet]

you in particular can't make questions today. next

[solid imp]

If you have a question ask a question don't make us dig it out of you

Unless you want us to come at you with shovels

[crisp idol]

and pipes with jincao solution

we will use that too

[visual oyster]

Stupid question, how beeg is the main base

[young stag]

not quite as green

[crisp idol]

70x70

[solid imp]

It looks greener when poured out

[storm garnet]

again, that's not a pond

[visual oyster]

Oki follow up question, is fitting both purple pill and purple batteries in that 70 blocks a streach

Been sitting 3 days but can't make it fit

[visual oyster]

[solid imp]

This is liquid xiranite

[storm garnet]

i was going to show my xiranite courtyard, but it bugged out and it looks like water lol

scammed

whatever, you got a pic above that shows how it is normally

[young stag]

yazhen still matches the uranium green color more closely in a pond

[solid imp]

Yazhen "green" just looks like regular pond water with a bit of algae

[young stag]

why does that look different hold on

[solid imp]

Xiranite looks like lime Gatorade

[young stag]

this is more green than my green

[solid imp]

Huh

[young stag]

either way xiranite still looks like vomit lol

[storm garnet]

yea, well, we are talking about it being green, not pretty lol

[visual oyster]

Hellow? Does it fits?

[solid imp]

Like all 18/m of both, probably not

Not enough depot unloader space iirc

[storm garnet]

i have jincao here, it's the same as yazhen. i like that it looks kinda normal

[solid imp]

Also the sandleaf planters take up a bunch of area too

[crisp idol]

you can absolutely fit them in your main base, in fact you might want to check the blueprints forum ( https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1461542035617091681 ) if you're struggling with designing one for yourself

[storm garnet]

but filling the courtyard with plants is much easier than xiranite, so much that might as well fill it with water again

[visual oyster]

Yeeep 🥲, I've been thinking of ways to fit extra steel lines in but it's worse than what it was before

[crisp idol]

you probably can't fit their max capacity (100% ore usage) due to size constraints, !which is fine as you have 3 sub-pacs to help make everything you need!, but you can definitely get 6/min of each and a little more

[visual oyster]

Oki I go looks, fanks yous

I might be doing smth wrong, I can't power 3 banks on my purple bats

[solid imp]

One packaging unit can feed 4 thermal banks so your ratios are probably messed up

For purple batteries you need 3 belts of originium cubes and 2 belts of steel parts

[somber snow]

How else can i improve the production?

[young stag]

if jincao ends up looking better than yazhen im going to kill somebody here

[visual oyster]

Yesh I hab the batries, but now my pills are dwarfed 😭

[young stag]

i don’t like how yazhen looks kinda of clumpy for me

[solid imp]

Also i recommend just throwing all your batteries into a protocol stash and then pulling out the batteries from the depot bus to fill thermal banks instead of having the banks right after your battery production

[jovial breach]

Split some buck to citrome

[somber snow]

Does it give more profits or what

[solid imp]

2 belts of steel bottles (which needs 4 belts of steel which needs 8 belts of ferrum) and 2 belts of ground buck powder

[crisp idol]

are you making your leftover 20 origocrust per min

[dense wyvern]

Sandleaf Liquid when?

[potent mantle]

change your buck into citrome, all outpost accepts citrome

[young stag]

no nvm it looks the same

[jovial breach]

No, but you can stock more of a different type

[solid imp]

Just lets you store more

[somber snow]

Oh yeah fair, but they earn more than i can take, so it should be fine

[solid imp]

Yeah it doesn't matter

[somber snow]

I sell everyday, so they dont ever cap

[solid imp]

If you're hitting the 80k cap on buck A you probably are just afk and not selling to the outposts

[somber snow]

No, i probably should

[potent mantle]

im not talking about splitting btw, i meant changing your entire production, buck is bad

[solid imp]

Both are the same since all 3 outposts accept both

[somber snow]

If its for consuming, im using the yazhen syringe instead

[solid imp]

Unless you just think citrome is morally superior to buck

[potent mantle]

last i checked 1 of the outpost does not accept buck C, do not make me login to double check

[solid imp]

Oh this is about buck/citrome A not C

[potent mantle]

yazhen syringe is bad, fml gonna login to enlighten everyone here

[solid imp]

You don't need to make any C since you'll bankrupt the outposts just making hc batteries and A

[potent mantle]

why make buck A and citrome C when u can make both citrome A and C then sell both

[visual oyster]

Das where I was finking, to move the 4 lines of steel to a sub base but is so tiny, my sub packs are busy procuring farium, parts an bottles around the clock, all be it from 1 belt, not really space for a grinder never mind the extras

[solid imp]

With your leftover amethyst make bombs

[jovial breach]

Use this instead

[potent mantle]

thats it, im gonna login to show u all

[somber snow]

Go ahead

[solid imp]

Sure why not it doesn't matter

[potent mantle]

yea that, use that @somber snow

[merry wagon]

yazhen solution looks radioactive compared to jincao

[solid imp]

They look different in tanks than in ponds

[jovial breach]

it's overkill af but i love healing my ops from 1 to 100

[visual oyster]

How beeg are the sub pacs

[merry wagon]

true, liquid xiranite looks bland in tanks

[potent mantle]

your valley 4 production should look like this

[solid imp]

Very adorable project red pfp btw

[jovial breach]

People use liquid tanks ?

[merry wagon]

[solid imp]

Look at all those lemon

[solid imp]

I have a tank of liquid xiranite for filling bottles

[young stag]

to sell or use

[solid imp]

Though i think i sprayed all the blight available already

[young stag]

i have a 2000 tank of liquid xiranite

[potent mantle]

your wuling production should look like this

[wide jay]

Perpetual farming machine

[young stag]

idk if i’ll ever use it but it’s nice to have

[solid imp]

Yeh that works

[potent mantle]

both are useless, this is end game healing item

[solid imp]

You get 3 belts of powder btw

[wide jay]

only today I realized it

[solid imp]

My endgame healing item is Ardelia cuz the only game mode i need healing in banned tacticals

[potent mantle]

not advisable to shred after output

[wide jay]

why not?

[young stag]

too bad it’s locked

[young stag]

plus this ^

[potent mantle]

1 input gives 3 sand, save input if u link to source

[solid imp]

It depends, are you gonna use the sandleaf powder here and now or are you throwing it in the depot to use elsewhere?

[somber snow]

If i could use consumables in umbral, sure,
But i cant, and my yazhen syringe is automated, so its convenient

[wide jay]

i am gonna put it on the PAC so my other factories have powder

[solid imp]

If the former is fine, if the latter you want to depot the flowers so you can just unload one belt of sandleaf and turn it into 3 belts of powder instead of needing 3 depot unloaders for the same amount of powder

[young stag]

y not

[somber snow]

For now, nothing is too hard

[solid imp]

Yeah just throw the sandleaf itself in the depot instead

[young stag]

not like you use the plant itself for anything other than its powder

[potent mantle]

1 input gives 3 sand, save 3 input if u link 3 to source

[solid imp]

One belt of flowers turns into 3 belts of powder so you're saving 2 depot unloaders just unloading the flower instead of the powder and shedding on-site

[young stag]

that’s actually not a bad idea hold on

[paper magnet]

are you guys using xiranite or electric pylons in wuling aic

[young stag]

i’ve always just shredded it right after growing

[wide jay]

Wait, 1 plant = 3 powder?

[young stag]

eh not like 3 unloaders will do anything for me

[jovial breach]

You're insane if you use normal relay in wuling

[solid imp]

You generally want to bus items in their "densest" forms if possible to save on the amount of parallel belts and unloaders

[paper magnet]

i mean within the aic

[young stag]

actually let me go and fix it rn

[potent mantle]

yup after shredding

[somber snow]

I dont wanna produce anymore xiranite comps unless i need them,
I want to stockpile batts and syringes so that i can upgrade the rdl later after the update

[paper magnet]

i realised all my regular bp all use electric

[wide jay]

So why am I having so much trouble getting sandleaf powders...

[solid imp]

In the AIC just use regular pylons, xiranite pylons don't have any benefit inside the AIC

[jovial breach]

Oh aic i cant read , i use normal pylon ye

[solid imp]

Because you need 3 belts coming out of all the output slots on the shredding unit to unload that much powder

Each belt only carries 30 items per minute

[wide jay]

Ohhhhhh

[solid imp]

And the shredder is making 90 powder per minute

[wide jay]

Damn thanks

Damn I seem so dumb having 12 farms

[solid imp]

That's one thing i wish the game ACTUALLY GAVE A TUTORIAL FOR but somehow in the 20 hours of factory tutorials it never thinks to mention that belts have a throughput of 30/m

Which is VERY IMPORTANT INFO

[potent mantle]

no idea what are u stockpiling when there are not bills to sell lol

[jovial breach]

All of the bp in game have only 1 belt per machine

[wide jay]

Wuling batteries are good for selling and powering stuff

[solid imp]

I mean i probably have that many idk i didn't count, an endgame v4 base uses a shitload of sandleaf powder cuz everything needs it lol

[crimson inlet]

how many seconds does the splitter divide again?

[wide jay]

Same for me

[solid imp]

What

[turbid gyro]

for the factory, is it better to unlock max subpac first or build factory already

[potent mantle]

welcome to end game

[visual oyster]

Helpf, crystal components so beeeeg, cant make anything els in muh base

[jovial breach]

Huh wdym?

[solid imp]

You need vbucks to pay for the size upgrades which requires a factory so

[visual oyster]

[wide jay]

I am so stupid to not realize that farms can actually run infinitely as long as you have 1 plant

[solid imp]

Make what you can in the area you have

[wide jay]

All my V4 farms are still connected to depot unload

[stark osprey]

Does the plant loop for Jincao or Yahzen change?

[jovial breach]

It's 1 planter 1 seeder

[frail trail]

Yes, 1 seed grows into 2 plants

Also you need water pipe

[solid imp]

Like, are they different from citrome and buckflower? Yes. Are they different from each other? No.

[crimson inlet]

like, how many seconds does a splitter take to get to another splitter if it splits in a 3-way or 2-way

[stark osprey]

ain't that the standard one?

I asked because I saw how you get 2 plants per seed in this case

[jovial breach]

Standard is 2 planters

[visual oyster]

Do I ned 2 or 3 sand lef farms?

[frail trail]

The valley 4 plant is 2 planters 1 picker for infinite

[solid imp]

Uhhhh don't think about it in terms of like, that
A belt moves 30 items per minute
So if you split a belt 2 ways those two belts are only moving 15 items per minute
And if you split a belt 3 ways those belts will move 10 items per minute

[visual oyster]

To feed muh atrocity to engineering

[stark osprey]

I always thought the standard loop was 1:1 with planters and seed units

[crimson inlet]

ah oki, thx

[shrewd knoll]

it can be if you are using 50% of the plants only

[stark osprey]

I'm trying to redesign the xiranite production with the Wuling plants in mind this time around for the batery production to fit it inside the sub aic

[jovial breach]

For Valley plants you use 2 planter 1 seeder
Wuling plants you use 1 planter 1 seeder and water pipe

It saves more space in wuling

[solid imp]

Unless your pipe routing is atrocious, then it loses space

[frail trail]

Also wulley plant is more efficient for carbon

[solid imp]

Let's Game It Out pipe-tornado

[stark osprey]

That's why i wanna use them

[visual oyster]

Can someone helpf wif mats ples

[dim fog]

Hello can I ask something about Wuling AIC?

[solid imp]

Don't ask to ask, just ask

[jovial breach]

It's aic channel lol

[stark osprey]

the 1:1 for valley 4 is enough for me generally for 100% uptime at full efficiency for whatever I need

[frigid citrus]

if i wanna do hc batteries here...do i have space here..?

[solid imp]

https://i.redd.it/b045azi3rnfg1.gif

[dim fog]

How fast can the basic plot Wuling produce Xiranite component with 2 Forge?
My progress has been stunted cause I just now started on making Xiranite and derivatives..

[turbid gyro]

any recommendations on what to build?

[solid imp]

I still think it's funny you can just build random shit through the middle of Wuling City's walkways

[somber snow]

More outposts for the updates later on,
Unless ure telling me they rnt doing that

[jovial breach]

6 lol, component

[solid imp]

I missed "component" oops

[shrewd knoll]

its part of the lore now, they tolerate your random towers in middle of streets

[jovial breach]

we all have reading issue

[solid imp]

Yeah if you use literally all 60/m xiranite on components you can make 6/m but then you have no batteries and your power grid dies and your not making wbucks from the stockade

[dim fog]

You think I can probably make 3-5 gears a day?

[sinful osprey]

Yeah i building more pipes till the outpost

[shrewd knoll]

a day? you sure?

[solid imp]

For the start i recommend 3 components/m and the other half of your xiranite in 6/m xiranite batteries

[sinful osprey]

My sprinklers will be powered by same pump

[solid imp]

I mean 3/m is 120/h which is 2880 per day and you only need 200 for a full set of 4 items...

[visual oyster]

How many lines of sand leaf do I ned for on demand battery and pills

[solid imp]

So with a 3/m component build you can make like almost 60 gear a day

[jovial breach]

Just 1 sandleaf for 1 battery

[visual oyster]

I'm not grinding it, I'm pulling from a buss

[dim fog]

I design my base from scratch not sure how optimized it is for basic Wuling plot.

I'm not sure if I can still add 1 more gearing unit to double my xiranite component production..

[wide jay]

UNLIMITED POWAAAAAA

[jovial breach]

Then you need 3 belts of sandleaf powder lol, i recommend you pull out the sandleaf and shred it instead

[solid imp]

You literally cannot make enough xiranite to need a second gearing unit

You are capped to 60/m xiranite right now and one gearing unit running full time eats 60/m xiranite

A second gearing unit is completely pointless even if you make 0 xiranite batteries and only make components

But also you should make batteries because the gold gear costs a lot of wbucks and you need batteries to sell to make enough

Also to like power your base

[dim fog]

I see, I guess I will be starved from Wuling Stockbill because my only source is exchanging xiranites as I haven't staryed producing batteries...

[solid imp]

Make batteries

[jovial breach]

Stop bricking yourself

[paper magnet]

baby's first xiranite plant

[dim fog]

I just finished the part of producing compoments a few minutes ago. I'll figure out how I can add battery production

[visual oyster]

I move the machine to make space for the rest of my lines to swell into 🥹, am smoof brained with building, some how ends worse that it was before, wich was clogging ever few sec cause it full

[verbal mango]

is there a battery delay for 2.5k power? wuling

[merry wagon]

you're selling xiranite to the outpost for 1 wbuck apiece?

[dim fog]

yeah since I started from scratch just now

[jovial breach]

You dont need that 2nd yazhen planter, look at your top refinery making carbon, it makes 2 carbon you need 2 belts for it

[solid imp]

If anything make batteries first cuz they're more important than components

[merry wagon]

I'd recommend starting a battery line asap because selling xiranite directly is definitely not worth it

you've been ripped off by tangtang

[frail trail]

you still need stock bill to craft gear with the component

[dim fog]

I'm trying to improve my team since I can't finish some late game content as I am still using no gears on my operator and only lowbies.

[frail trail]

not to mention buying the artificing stuff

[paper magnet]

wait dont i need 2 planters for 2 big carbon

[jovial breach]

@paper magnet

[solid imp]

Yeah but the main limiting factor is the 8k wulingbicks per gear, not the 50 components

[paper magnet]

stash all strikes again

[dim fog]

How about if I focus on components now and stock pile them then slowly shift to batteries for bills?

[jovial breach]

It's the opposite

You make battery now and slowly shift to component

[solid imp]

Frankly i just wanna know how you're powering everything

Also the batteries are super easy to make bruh

[dim fog]

Wait.

[solid imp]

Just like make them

[paper magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-cost-little-maneuver-51years-51-gif-24426899

[young stag]

left setup or right setup? left consumes another row but right clogs on sandleaf

[solid imp]

Xiranite batteries are much simpler than HC batteries

[dim fog]

@Aerin I made a lot of thermal using originium

[solid imp]

Right cuz don't try to put two different things in one protocol stash but also don't stash cubes anyway, just go from raw originium to batteries on one assembly line

[dense wyvern]

Originium burns really fast.

[solid imp]

That's bad

[frail trail]

you don't even get enough artificing catalyst weekly to use up 3 components/m

[solid imp]

Batteries my brother

[young stag]

why not though

it stashes all the same

[visual oyster]

@solid imp how do I add 2 extra lines of steel to my clusterfuq of already messy build

[young stag]

plus i don’t have space for allat in 1 line

[jovial breach]

Neither , you are using only half sandleaf powder needed

[solid imp]

Because if your depot fills up with sandleaf powder the protocol stash won't be able to accept any originium cubes cuz it'll literally fill with powder

[young stag]

i need 2 lines but shredding makes 3

[dim fog]

I'm at 495/750 power consumption so probably it can still power up my next section for battery production.

[solid imp]

Get good at Tetris

[young stag]

it’s 2 originium cubes vs 1 powder

[visual oyster]

[young stag]

they both make 2 a second

[sharp heron]

heyya, does someone have the essential valley 4 blueprints. Im using one for wuling but got none in valley

[young stag]

plus the stash has 6 slots

[jovial breach]

Well yeah just let it clogged doesn't hurt anyone

[dense wyvern]

If sandpowder in your depo reaches max, it'll fill all 6 spots.

[young stag]

it won’t

[solid imp]

Doesn't matter, if one fills up in the depot the other will get blocked
This isn't a hypothetical, i tried to do something similar and broke my base cuz my protocol stashes got clogged on one item and blocked the other

[dense wyvern]

I mean, if you're actually using all the sandpowder it'll be fine.

[young stag]

ill only optimize my main pac

[solid imp]

It will

[young stag]

so that the other sub pacs still feed off powder

[jovial breach]

Most of clogging issues are from people trying to do something with the excess sandleaf powder

[dim fog]

My goodness this game is making a different breed of gamers and training everybody to become engineers.

[young stag]

rn i’m at 810 usage

[sharp heron]

anyone?

[young stag]

so

[dense wyvern]

I mean, if you're using the sandpowder elsewhere it'll be fine.

[solid imp]

Just save yourself the potential headache and only do one item per protocol stash

[crimson inlet]

holy, D.I.G.E. gives more more batteries, I can bankrupt the stockade now

[young stag]

yeah but then i’d have to do optimization to all my 3 sub pacs

[crimson inlet]

[young stag]

or accept it might overflow one day and keep using this

[jovial breach]

https://youtu.be/7rJ9frK3qgs?si=COPee4b_HZ-1TRUP

[sharp heron]

thanks!

[storm garnet]

i was bored and made a shit meme

[dim fog]

I still prefer using sub PAC as I can focus on each section easily than looking at one big plant..

[ornate frigate]

Empty ass space

[storm garnet]

i would say, pretend is made well, but just pretend you didn't see it

[dim fog]

Btw, how can I zoom out at max distance to see my entire plot?

[dense wyvern]

Don't think you can.

[paper magnet]

cheers

not as compact as yours tho

[storm garnet]

(the joke is we have so much space in wuling, we don't need to optimize. i explained the joke so it's even less funny.)

[dim fog]

I feel expanding the area isn't actually necessary

[storm garnet]

it helps with having more breathing room to put things

[dim fog]

Imagine the stockbills you have to spend for the expansion and probably invest it first on more important things.

[storm garnet]

but 1 expansion of the main aic is enough, and no outpost needed

[somber snow]

The factory must always grow,
doesnt matter how good your factory is,
Gotta optimize more

[jovial breach]

Pretty nice, you have a lot of space in wuling so yeah dont need to optimize

[coarse scarab]

So if i do it like that i can farm as heck right?

[storm garnet]

you don't need tanks for farming

just 1 pump is enough

[coarse scarab]

Cause its not constant Water use so i can store

[storm garnet]

sprinklers act as tanks

[coarse scarab]

You think one pump is gonna support maximum amount of fields?

[jovial breach]

The sprinklers can also store

[coarse scarab]

Or two pumps?

[dense wyvern]

Sprinklers even have cannons. So they're the real tanks.

[coarse scarab]

But they store like what? 50?

How much they use

[storm garnet]

you don't need that much water man

[nova lodge]

initially no, but after the 1st cycle, it should be enough for 20 fields.

[jovial breach]

That's more than enough, you need like only 30 water

[nova lodge]

i personally just put tanks just so that its easier to expand the fields later in the future.

[coarse scarab]

Like issue of refilling with splitters

[young stag]

ok nvm the spacing isn’t allat great

when i put the left one down

good thing i saved the right one

[jovial breach]

Sprinkler can also water 2 plots at a same time and doesn't even use extra water, the water consumption is fixed 1 per second

[open wind]

how much battery does a thermal generator use per minute? my consumption is fluctuating between 1 and 2 in the graph

[jovial breach]

1.5 betteru a min

[nova lodge]

1.5 per min
1 battery = 40 secs

[dense wyvern]

That's normal yeah.

[random hornet]

10 more

[dense wyvern]

[unreal laurel]

you dont need to do this

its 10watts

[jovial breach]

Huh are you using valley battery?

[willow tundra]

it just works

[paper jetty]

Yeah Im planning my core AIC factory on valley IV using paper for some reason

[open wind]

you can set up a splitter chain to insert an extra battery once an hour or so

[random hornet]

No WL only

[jovial breach]

How did you get that power

[random hornet]

Abomination

[jovial breach]

Witchcraft

[open wind]

place one defense turret

[random hornet]

This use way less protocol capacity than the other setup and doesn't have a limit

[paper jetty]

Holy. It's been 4 hours with me playing with the factory with I thought it's been like 1 hour or so

[mental oracle]

question: would you guys rather have plant farms attached to your battery/capsule farms, or would you rather have them separate?

[storm garnet]

in valley 4, whatever, in wuling, i separate them

[paper jetty]

I seperate them too

[mental oracle]

Are wuling formulas that much more complicated 😭

I have only got to wuling and haven't gotten deep yet

[storm garnet]

separate means more outputs from depot prob

[brave grail]

No but its boiling water simulator which is fun

[storm garnet]

no, wuling is easier and there is ton of space, so might as well go the easier route of separating

[open wind]

pipes are just annoying to place down, but we have a lot of unload space

[paper magnet]

[storm garnet]

the only annoying part of pipes is that you need to put them from the right side of the buildings

[paper jetty]

Hell these two power my core aic (main factory still not finished)

[open wind]

you cant have pipes on top of structures

[shrewd knoll]

the buildings that are from valley that can fit pipes arent modeled to even fit the pipes

[spark veldt]

Does anyone have a good build for making yazhen syringe c

[storm garnet]

meh, just circle around the aic to avoid structures

[mental oracle]

I am trying to optimize my farms like crazy rn.

My hc battery farm without plant farms attached is 36 x 18
My hc battery farm with plant farms attached is 30 x 30

So that's why I'm asking which is preferred

[open wind]

sandflower generates enough powder to fill up 3 grinders. each grinder need 2 orirock crushed

[paper jetty]

thanks

[open wind]

same applies to ferrum

[mental oracle]

f***.... I think I messed up my farm then

[open wind]

hold up, that HC battery line...

[mental oracle]

I thought it was one for one, no?

[storm garnet]

when i see something very wrong, i just assume it's temporary or for filling the depot

[open wind]

uh now im super confused
all the recipes are mixing in my head

[storm garnet]

just go back from the end to the beginning, 1 machine at a time

[storm junco]

9k power

[open wind]

cubes need 2 base powder and 1 sandflower powder
1 base powder need 1 raw

yeah im right

[storm garnet]

1 hc battery machine, you look inside and check recipe and ratios, then go back from there

[open wind]

HC battery is 10 rods, 15 cubes per 10 seconds

[storm garnet]

you want to convert recipes with 10 seconds to 2 seconds so you know the number of belts

so, divide by 5

[open wind]

yeah you need 2 lines of rods, and 3 lines of cubes to maintain 100% efficiency on HC battery

[mental oracle]

Sexy or nah 😭

[open wind]

currently each of your packager gets 0.5 lines of rods

25% uptime

[urban basin]

question: if the valley 4 ferrium yield is 1080 / min. But my yield and usage on the current data is 920/920 /min does that min i can still safely put more facilities that use ferrium

[storm garnet]

dont be like me, feed the thermal banks from depot, not from machines

[open wind]

yeah, but you want a bit of buffer to send some later to wuling. 25/minute

[dense wyvern]

There could be a few reason of why that is. But if it's because your storage is full, then yeah.

[paper magnet]

Metatransfer doesn't cost any of your v4 output

[storm garnet]

another one that doesn't know about meta transfer

[open wind]

free resource generator? ew

[urban basin]

Ok.. Sometimes i get confused about which one to read or trust. The current data or theoretical

[paper magnet]

Both tbh

[urban basin]

i knowww

[dense wyvern]

For mining stuff, Theoretical is generally correct since there's no inefficiency.

[open wind]

you can setup whatever that eats 160/min of iron then

[storm garnet]

very willing to say it while not called out, i wonder why...

[paper magnet]

I use theoretical to check if I have the right number of facilities, then use current to check if it's wired properly

[dense wyvern]

So if your current mining data doesn't match, you're probably at max storage.

[storm garnet]

suspicious

i smell bamboozle

[young stag]

i’m so pissed off by this ONE slot i can’t fit into

[mental oracle]

is there a reason behind this suggestion?

[urban basin]

yeah it has been at max storage cause im cautious about my ferium usage. I dont want to suddenly running out again and get an outage

[storm garnet]

if anything goes wrong, you'll get a blackout

[storm junco]

21k power

[storm garnet]

also, the game is not perfect with calculations, so you won't get a steady flow

there will be a small deficit

[dense wyvern]

You could make a line with a control port for something that uses Ferrium to switch on when your Ferrium is max without continuously eating up your Ferrium indefinitely.

[storm junco]

With 20 power bank you can generate 21k power

I wonder if you make 99k power

It will break the Game

[merry wagon]

bro powering the entirety of valley 4

[paper magnet]

I saw someone bored enough to do 500k

[storm garnet]

i did the same, but i was somehow losing 1-3 batteries per day on each bank

[paper magnet]

But with wuling batteries it's possible to do 1m+ power

[storm junco]

More power!

[storm garnet]

also, today i was using extra originium elsewhere and when i went back to valley 4 everything was down

[merry wagon]

imagine how much power can HC wuling batteries output

[storm junco]

1600

Per battery

[storm garnet]

wuling batteries are lc, not hc

[cyan bronze]

2400?

[analog elbow]

Rookie Number

[merry wagon]

HC gonna be 10k trust

[storm garnet]

valley 4 lc was 200, it jumped to 1100 with hc

[dense wyvern]

Maybe it'll be over 9000.

[analog elbow]

[storm garnet]

8800, almost

meme was close

[storm junco]

Can u glitch the factory?

[paper magnet]

[thorn vault]

i maxed out depot and recycling station wat am i missing?

[storm garnet]

outpost?

[analog elbow]

outpost all level 4?

[thorn vault]

yep

[dense wyvern]

Put mines on everything yet?

[storm garnet]

click rdm sources

[thorn vault]

yep

[young stag]

this whole “shred plant on site” thing did give me a bunch of space for more unloaders

but i lose productivity

[thorn vault]

uhm

[young stag]

still had to put 2 shredders next to the planting unit so i don’t run out of powder

[storm garnet]

do you have 3 outposts?

i think you missed one

[storm junco]

Someone actually make xyranite bp with sandleaf only

[thorn vault]

uhm

[dense wyvern]

Oh you have lv 1.

There's your problem.

[dense wyvern]

And a few mining spots.

[crisp idol]

reconstruct that HQ, NOW!

[unreal laurel]

How to do that

[dense wyvern]

.... Time to make some Citrome C.

[thorn vault]

[analog elbow]

Step son ahh outpost

[storm garnet]

it's like it didn't exist in his eyes lol

it's full of tickets too

[analog elbow]

Mf was not getting any attention fr

[thorn vault]

lmao

[analog elbow]

[analog elbow]

||Se?||

[thorn vault]

https://tenor.com/view/ariweather-ace-attorney-anime-lawyer-phoenix-wright-gif-1840091289278939368

[crude nebula]

you can't for now, i'm not the dev

[thorn vault]

oopsie

[dense wyvern]

daisy

[storm junco]

I dun need 3 hc battery farm..

[paper magnet]

Time to retrofit an entire AIC to make citrome c just to sell to those fuckers

[dense wyvern]

Leveling shouldn't take that long.

[young stag]

make batteries

[dense wyvern]

Because the thing is already full of monies for you to extract.

[storm garnet]

sometimes i like to come here to remind myself i have extra energy stored in me

[paper magnet]

Can't sell purps to a level 1 outpost tho no?

[storm junco]

Idk which more profitable a full hc battery farm or

[storm garnet]

something something inspirational shit something something

[storm junco]

2 buck A

[thorn vault]

WHY...JUST WHY...

oops caps

[storm garnet]

extra depot space

that's 54.3k wuling batteries

[young stag]

how much more space is that

[storm garnet]

not counting belts

[paper magnet]

You can't make more batteries than the current limit unless you pull originium out of your ass in v4

I know endmin has originiun arts but not like this

[young stag]

they should let us stack way more than 50 items in a backpack

[storm junco]

So 2 battery farm is limit?

[young stag]

why not 100

[young stag]

3

[storm garnet]

3 full lines, then an extra one making 2/3 per minute

but you don't have to bother with that 4th one

[storm junco]

All this just to power wuling 🥀

[paper magnet]

Powering wuling?

Nah those fuckers gotta make their own

We selling for pure profit

[storm garnet]

wuling gets enough power with wuling batteries

[young stag]

i still import hc from time to time

[storm garnet]

actually, valley and wuling can act like the other doesnt exist and still be self suficient

importing hc into wuling just helps making wuling batteries faster, but meh

i do it myself just so i could fill the outpost

it's full now, though my tickets in the outpost accumulated a bit

[dense wyvern]

Importing HC into Wuling is a lot of manual labor.

[storm garnet]

not really, it's just like 1 minute

[analog elbow]

I use HC for the second thermal in wuling

And improved min max for extra profit

Using HC for the whole power is just too much work to transfer

[storm garnet]

even 2 thermals with hc is more than enough for wuling

[dense wyvern]

I'm running on one wuling battery.

[stray lodge]

How many outposts currently in wuling?

[dense wyvern]

2

[analog elbow]

I ain't spending my time doing manual Labour bruh

[dense wyvern]

Wait... 1 + main AIC.

[analog elbow]

1

[storm garnet]

1 wuling battery is possible, but you have to be too optimized with just the most basics

[analog elbow]

Only one technically since outpost is where you can sell Stuffs

[storm garnet]

i'm kinda close tbh

[dense wyvern]

If you're someone who does extra manual transfer it's a lot easier.

Just stash a line of ferrium parts frees up a lot of energy.

[crimson inlet]

loving the optimization

[analog elbow]

What optimization

[storm junco]

I stop making wuling battery actually and start making more gear components

[crimson inlet]

I sadly can't optimise Valley IV's generator efficiency because my power production is near power usage

[storm junco]

Xyranite components

[crimson inlet]

using D.I.G.E. for Load management of batteries

[storm junco]

And i wonder why this shieet need 60 xyranite

[dense wyvern]

Fun.

[storm junco]

Just to make 6 per minute

[dense wyvern]

If it works, it works.

[storm garnet]

I'm using 15 extra power atm to fill the depot with some mats.

[thorn vault]

uhm will that be a problem...?

[dense wyvern]

Nope.... You're still accumulating Ferrium.

[analog elbow]

That's a big ahh line

[dense wyvern]

With all the space, why not.

[analog elbow]

I gotta put ||turrets|| modern warfare on my Core ofc

Couldn't afford that big ahh line

[jagged scroll]

Dafuq... someone didn't fill up his crate..

[crude nebula]

yeah this type of order is annoying

[storm garnet]

1.3K more packed origocrust and i can start using wuling batteries again, with 1 of 2 banks using splitters

[dense wyvern]

Just refresh it away.

[crimson inlet]

My current setup:

Constant: PAC 200w + Thermal Bank 1,600w
2 varying oscillating thermal banks

[storm garnet]

that's just newbies with level 1 depot

[jagged scroll]

True but even those should have been more I think?

[crimson inlet]

yes, that's what it gave me , I wanna make it more compact but I might break something

[storm garnet]

nope

level 1 is that shit

[maiden locust]

What a beautiful sight to log on to see 😭

[jagged scroll]

dayum

[dense wyvern]

Time to sell da batteries.

[maiden locust]

Indeed

[wanton nest]

goals omg

[analog elbow]

I built mine like this. I'm on 1.95K power now and still working

[storm garnet]

why use storage right next to a depot...

[analog elbow]

@storm garnet 49 battery to go after all the grinding

[dim fog]

Hello I wanna ask if the xiranite input for reactor reusable for other purposes once it comes out output belt?

[storm garnet]

i used wuling batteries, they have 72k energy

[analog elbow]

Easier for me ofc

[paper jetty]

what the hell did I just do

might need to remake it

[dense wyvern]

If it's going through the reactor it means that it isn't being used, so you can use it for whatever.

[storm garnet]

output is just a way to get things out of it, since you cant open the inventory while viewing it

[analog elbow]

Why would i make it longer using depots

[storm garnet]

either that or stash the whole building

depot loader is 1x3, storage is 3x3, and you are using 2

even if using extra mergers, it's less space

[analog elbow]

Why do all that when you can just place stash protocol

[storm garnet]

food powder needs 2 belts output on shredder

and input on grinder

[humble gyro]

Bro why are we limited on xiranite production man 😔

[storm junco]

What am i missing?

[humble gyro]

Let the factory grow

[dense wyvern]

No.

Factory must shrink.

[analog elbow]

We haven't even unlocked every region on Wuling bruh

[storm garnet]

but 10 energy

[humble gyro]

Factorial dysfunction 😏

[paper magnet]

another buck A

[analog elbow]

Still the same. I added 100 more power usage and it will still have 2 seconds after fully charged

[dense wyvern]

Shrink to work efficiently on 1 battery.

[storm garnet]

tsk tsk, the mindset is not there...

[analog elbow]

Because sometimes i just blindly added Ziplines

[storm junco]

3 buck A and 3 hc battery?

[paper jetty]

Gotcha

[midnight flume]

Can anyone get this to work? NA/EU. Part 4 says it wont work, can anyone try it and let me know how they get it to work. All the other 3 pieces worked. P4 Bottom Right: EFO011ao8Oi32l9a95o08

I'm on console

[dense wyvern]

Not on NA/EU can't help there.

[analog elbow]

Same

[storm garnet]

it says invalid code

[midnight flume]

It is the mega factory blueprint that I was linked to the other day.

[analog elbow]

If it's invalid then it must be the Sandleaf

[storm garnet]

maybe the original got deleted, idk how sharing works tbh

[midnight flume]

These are the codes.

[nova lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/829956519138426880.gif?v=1&size=48&quality=lossless

[analog elbow]

Sandleaf Fault i think

[nova lodge]

having issues? sandleaf!

[midnight flume]

Idk... part 1 and 2 work and use sandleaf to make HC batteries.

[nova lodge]

its starting to become a meme now.

[analog elbow]

I knew it

Must be sandleaf

[dense wyvern]

Darude: Sandleaf.

[winter sierra]

Is this ok for two buck capsule A machines? Or should I mass produce something else…

It makes 7 per minute…

[spark veldt]

For me I would have said switch one of the from buck capsules to the yellow one for variety but this is fine

[jagged scroll]

You can run 3 Buck As and 3 Batteries. With only Amethyst being leftover.

[dense wyvern]

If it's 7 per minute then something's not right.

[winter sierra]

The machines don’t have any downtime…

[storm garnet]

then your ratios are wrong

[winter sierra]

My what…

[storm garnet]

you should have 12/min with 2 machines

[ornate frigate]

Ye

[dense wyvern]

If you want to find the issue, scenic view probably won't help much.

[winter sierra]

Nothing is clogging and the machines aren’t pausing though…

[odd cedar]

1 filling unit = 1 buckA / 10 s = 6 buckA /min

[nova lodge]

that means not enough items is entering for each filling unit.

[young stag]

air drying much

[winter sierra]

I will make a new design.

[dense wyvern]

Show a top line view of the line if you need help finding the problem.

[storm junco]

Is this good?

[dense wyvern]

Or the problem could just be somewhere else like running out of inputs.

[nova lodge]

it will run consistently, but it is not utilizing the maximum production limit of the facility.

[storm junco]

3 buck A / 3 hc battery

Line

[odd cedar]

7 is a weird number to have tho XD

[ornate frigate]

17/min?

[dense wyvern]

Or maybe you just have to leave it run.

[storm junco]

Idk what i am gonna do with those abundance of amethyst

[midnight flume]

I really wanted this 5 part factory to work. The 4th part is the one that goes around the AIC/PAC

[ornate frigate]

Citrome C

[storm garnet]

some things look weird, but it might be cause you need more time with the factory on

[jagged scroll]

You can use spare Amethyst to make Citrome C for selling.

[storm garnet]

12/min citrome c, 12/min capsule c

[odd cedar]

make cryston bottles cause they are shiny

[dense wyvern]

Make cryston parts for da zipline.

[storm garnet]

dont go all in on just 1, it fills fast

[ornate frigate]

NAH

[ornate frigate]

Fancy way of storing Liquid Xiranite

[odd cedar]

yes. is like the supreme brick

it's a bottle, but better

[meager panther]

Are there methods to prevent the downward spikes in offline production

[nova lodge]

make your production more consistent.

depends on what you are producing.

[wanton nest]

im about to do another complete overhaul of all 4 valley iv outposts... what should i produce on each thing.. like are there some things suited to diff outposts because of sizing constraints?

[dense wyvern]

.... If you're talking about random spikes that comes out of nowhere even though you have enough mats, then I dunno. Not sure why that happens.

[ornate frigate]

18/min Buck A and HC Battery, 24/min Citrome C, and 20/min Origocrust

[nova lodge]

i just make HC batteries in each of the outpost.
1 set per outpost.
total production should be as metioned above.
as long as your had reached RDL 12, and unlocked everything.

[hexed raft]

To make max Valley IV money do i need to fill most of my facotry areas with buck capsule A and HC battery factories?

[dense wyvern]

Buck A can take a lot of space if you want to make everything all in one, so probably put that in main AIC.

[ornate frigate]

Don't go for 18.67/min HC, 17.67/min Buck A, and 24/min Citrome C, man

Esp. if you're saving as much as possible on power

[dense wyvern]

Well you put enough to keep up with your mining.

[nova lodge]

yes, which the max limit would be 18 buck A, 18 HC batteries + 24 citromes.
any other configuration = less credits, but can make your life easier in other areas.

[ornate frigate]

Literally just 0.1% difference compared to the aforementioned set-up LMFAO

[wanton nest]

does this come w links or i gotta use my own brain lmao

[dense wyvern]

You could probably find some blueprints in the thread.

[hexed raft]

idc about citromes but i will only fit 6/min on each PAC except main right?

[storm garnet]

it begins...

[meager panther]

I see people talk about saving power then they go and use protocol stash

[storm garnet]

first loop was fast, just 5% down lol

[meager panther]

like make up your mind

[dense wyvern]

Yeah....

[nova lodge]

start with HC batteries and Buck A capsule, those will be your main focus as a start.

[calm crow]

...when you fight for space and realized, that only need to move the main line back by 1 space...

[hexed raft]

but like should i palce 1 factory per sub pac and then put the last 3 in main?

[nova lodge]

because protocol stash saves on unloader space, which is essential for maximizing production = more credits.

[dense wyvern]

Not for Wuling.

[meager panther]

You can easily hit max production without using protocol stash

[dense wyvern]

At least not now.

[meager panther]

In valley IV, and even easier in wuling

[dense wyvern]

Not nice looking stuff, but it saves power.

[nova lodge]

sure, if you wanna make less than ideal build, or spend excessive time building it.
its your choice really.

[meager panther]

My build literally maxes out production in main + 1 outpost with no protocol stashes, I think most people would not struggle to do so if given 2 extra outposts

[dense wyvern]

It doesn't take that much time really. Just drag longer belts.

[ornate frigate]

It depends, but you should be able to find some blueprints online

[dense wyvern]

And it saves a battery much more easily than those special circuits people are making.

[nova lodge]

good to know that you are able to do it.
though based on most conversation here, you will soon realize that a lot of people actually have troubles building bases, EVEN with protocol stash.

[stark osprey]

how much power do you guys need in wuling in general? I'm trying to plan the battery usage for Wuling

[ornate frigate]

I'm consuming 1.79k rn

[meager panther]

I run just under 1.8k and I have a decent zipline setup

[ornate frigate]

No Ziplines and Turrets

[nova lodge]

^

[dense wyvern]

1.71 - 1.79 depending in whether I turn on extra planters.
I have about 40 Ziplines.

[nova lodge]

depends on how often you wanna spam turrets and ziplines~~~~

[stark osprey]

I haven't played with ziplines at all yet

[dense wyvern]

Oh 35 Ziplines.

[stark osprey]

the main issue is that my main Wuling AIC is a mess at the moment and I need to solve that

[dense wyvern]

Have fun.

[stark osprey]

This is how bad it is

[nova lodge]

don't bother with power saving, focus on min-maxing production 1st, starting with 60 xiranites per minute.
after everything is done, then you optimize your base.

[dense wyvern]

Looks like a centipede.

[stark osprey]

I got a xiranite setup at 30/min but I was thinking of using the 2nd forge for batteries

[meager panther]

You can use splitters to power multiple from a single unloader

[nova lodge]

start funnelling HC batteries from valley 4 over to wulling base. (its faster)
build 2x xiranite facilities.
then build 1x xiranite battery production for 6 per min battery yield.

[dense wyvern]

You definitely should make 2nd forge.

Xiranite is the bottleneck because you're only limited to 2 sky forges for now. So gotta make the most out of it.

[nova lodge]

if total production is 60 in total, then that's good.
one of the forge can definitely be connected to a battery production facility set.

[stark osprey]

yeah at the time I forgot about that

[nova lodge]

but personally, i would just put the xiranite into depot via protocol stash.

then adjust output accordingly.

[stark osprey]

not really since I'm only at 11 regional development

[nova lodge]

still possible.
go to dijiang, transfer some HC battery over to wulling via storage swap. (about 500-1000 pcs, depending on how fast you can set things up).

swap between Valley 4 / V4 storage and wulling storage.

that is all considering if you had made some HC production facility in V4 region.

just need to quick jump start xiranite battery production for automation.

--
the regional transfer function that you access from AIC building isn't used for anything BUT ferrium transfer via metastorage option.

but you can worry about that later when you wanna produce yanzhen syringe