aic-factory

[sand pivot]

guys before I make another mistake Imma ask... is there no way to zoom out more on top down view?

I wanna center the AIC but kinda hard when I can't even see where the center is

[opaque frost]

How do i get water to jingyu factory?

[grizzled osprey]

Next update they'll let us zoom out more

[sand pivot]

ty ty, I am glad they actually changed that, for the amount of machines we need the space we can see is actually atrocious 😭

[grizzled osprey]

Yeah

[inner jay]

ngl I thought we were gonna get that update like a day after they released the notes for it but here i am still caps esc esc caps-ing like a week later

[inland knoll]

lowkey the white thingy the top half of her is kinda weird bc if its a hoodie it should at least go over her boobs before it stops to be a crop top, but if it's like a cloak type of thing for her rogue archetype it shouldnt have so much fabric past the clavicle or even have sleeves

[sand pivot]

also where should I spend my sanity early game (chars and weapons level 40)

[shrewd knoll]

probably the hedrons

[inland knoll]

one simple fix would make fluorites design twice as good i love her but commit to the hoodie or the cloak whatever it is rn is weird

[sand pivot]

I am glad I wasn't the only one getting frustrated by this ngl

[inland knoll]

ive been waiting for that i was so happy when i saw it

[grizzled osprey]

I didn't look that closely, the tail distracted me

[sand pivot]

after the 2nd time I called myself a dumbahh but considering other people are doing it too ig it's just counter-intuitive itself

[grizzled osprey]

Yea fr

[inland knoll]

you can only see like 25% of the factory so you cant even get a full view of one production line for big things

[ancient zinc]

Lay the lizard?

[inner jay]

sometimes i do it consecutively like caps esc esc esc esc caps so you're def better than me

[river walrus]

How do people distribute the different production lines for valley 4?

As in you know u need HC battery so where would you put that production among the factory sites?

[inner jay]

whereever you want to put it, doesnt really make a big difference

[river walrus]

Yeah I know it’s just that I’m curious to know where other people put it

[sand pivot]

it's really up to you and personal preference, you can even split production types by different outposts

[river walrus]

Since I have a battery and the buck capsules running

But my main site is just empty

Since I have no clue what to produce there

[sand pivot]

like I will have the processing for base materials in my secondary outposts and final production in the core AIC for example

they're all connected by the depot so the location doesn't really matter (in the same region)

[river walrus]

Then the power plateu I have just a bunch of sand leaves and the red things growing to sustain my usage for the others

[sand pivot]

are you capping out on any resource in your depot?

like for example are you reaching 8k originium/ amethyst or something else?

if so that's your clue

[river walrus]

Like the raw material?

[sand pivot]

not only but also

[inner jay]

i mean for mine i have one outpost making 270 steel part/min and another outpost making 270 originium dust/min so in main i just combine those into actual batteries + make some extra originium dust

but it's really just whatever you want to do lol

[sand pivot]

like for example in my case I am maxing out on origocrust which is a processed material, which means I can produce something that uses that origocrust and that's meaningful to me (can trade for slips or produce something else I need)

[river walrus]

Ohhh errr no I don’t have those crafting

Should I?

[inland knoll]

if it was a hoodie/jacket type thing it'd look exactly like estellas
if it was a cloak type thing it'd look like the left with a tie around the upper chest and then loose fabric drooping around her arms instead of sleeves

[river walrus]

What do steel parts make again

[sand pivot]

yes, you really should... that's what allows you to improve your outposts

[inner jay]

2 steel part + 3 dust = hc battery

[inland knoll]

theyre for batteries mainly

[river walrus]

Oh I make em directly at the site

[inland knoll]

also the highest tier of combat facilities

but mostly batteries

[river walrus]

I have my entire HC condensed into 1 site

[inner jay]

yea thats more or less what i mean by personal pref
i shoved all of them into one outpost just so i can be like yep that outpost just makes this one thing and a lot of it while using up all of the depot unloaders

[river walrus]

It makes everything there from raw materials

[grizzled osprey]

hmm, looks good enough even if it's impractical

Why would the ninja lizard wear a hoodie with the front removed tho

[river walrus]

I have like 6 buck cap A every min should I make more of em?

[inland knoll]

i like doing this too but its rly troublesome trying to fit 3 whole production lines into outposts so i have all my batteries in the core area and then just like some extra stuff awkwardly used in the other 60% of the depot output spots

[inner jay]

you can convert them into valley 4 money so maybe? is 6/min enough for you to support both outposts that ask for it?

[sand pivot]

yeah that's basically my logic behind it too. like one outpost processes components, parts, dust, etc... another one processes batteries and what not

[river walrus]

I can’t clear em of their money rn so I guess I should make more?

[inland knoll]

valley pass or whatever the western area is called has to be the medicine production place for lore accuracy

[inner jay]

yea then prob good idea to make more

[sand pivot]

I was going with random bs in there like components parts and stuff 😭

I was gonna put the medicine on my core with the battery production

[river walrus]

That’s by battery site XD

[inner jay]

yea i do agree it's troublesome lol
but that's part of the fun for me

[carmine igloo]

Is this good?

[inner jay]

like the steel parts outpost I ended up with this
theres def wasted space + a few theoretically wasted unloaders that are spent on sandleaf but 🤷 cant do much with a few unloaders anyway

[sand pivot]

bro how can you see so much of your base? 😭

[inner jay]

looks good to me
can probably make space to fit a few more things if you compact the space a bit more but should be fine

[sand pivot]

I can't see half of what you see like what?

[shrewd knoll]

make a blueprint that is 1x50 and it zooms out

you can place 2 belts, 1 50 distance apart from each other or a line

[sand pivot]

ohhh

[inner jay]

it's a trick i figured out while trying to screenshot lmao
go to the bulk selection thing and highlight everything -> copy -> move the screen all the way over to one side then move mouse to the other edge of screen + press alt prtscr at the right time

it works better if you have multiple monitors I think bc that way the "copied" version gets completely hidden like in that screenshot when you move the mouse to the other screen

[sand pivot]

sadly I don't have a second monitor cause I just moved places, but I do have a 2k monitor so we can't complain too much

but ty for the tips either way though, I can't wait for them to patch this

it's so hard to build like this LMAO

[inner jay]

oh yea for building it doesnt help at all lmao
only when trying to screenshot base

but agree it's super annoying trying to build with current zoom settings

also undo button when

unless im dum and it already exists but never found the key for it
sure as hell isnt ctrl z

[sand pivot]

undo would be pretty awesome ngl, I haven't had an issue where I'd have wanted to go back

but in case it ever happens

it'd be good to have one

[inner jay]

there were many times where im testing an alternate configuration for something only to realize it doesnt work and then wanted to go back to how i had it before but have to manually place everything back

[inland knoll]

akekuri has the same thing but its even more silly bc she has like a half-leotard kinda thing going up to the inframammary area so her whole upper half is white except for just a black cutout around her boobs its such a pet peeve of mine bc it makes no sense and its too obvious to ignore and they gave estella a normal shirt but not the other op z7 women 😭 i hope im just the only one who cares bc i always think about it whenever i look at them

[inland knoll]

oh my gah

we can finally take our eyes out of the microscope

[sand pivot]

just save it as a bp before you make changes, that's what I do

in case it goes to shyte, you can just paste the bp and revert back to what it was

[inland knoll]

yeah for most things you can do that but bp has a size limit so sometimes its even less convenient to do that than just note down what youre producing and reassemble after

[inner jay]

my bp always says max facility count exceeded

[sand pivot]

I don't have that issue (yet)

[inner jay]

and yea if it's like a small subsection it feels like more of a hassle to make a bp for that section then put it back rather than just manually move the stuff back

[sand pivot]

just make sure you delete old ones

that you don't need

[crisp idol]

how many belt bridges

[inland knoll]

logistics units counting as facilities is so annoying when youre mass deleting

[inner jay]

for this i actually found out while making the steel part outpost that there's a facility cap for each area so i try to minimize using these now

[crisp idol]

huh same

[inland knoll]

how much could you have used to get an area wide facility cap...

[inner jay]

idk about other areas but for the refugee camp it hard caps at 256 facilities and each belt + belt bridge counts toward cap so if you have a crossing belt bridge thats 5 facilities

[crimson inlet]

My symmetrical Buck A setup

[hot temple]

Someone

How do I make a thingie that makes bombs

[crimson inlet]

make an aketine farm then mix it with originiun dust in a packaging unit I think? I forgor the chain...

[inner jay]

idk it's that one ss I posted earlier so

[hot temple]

😭

I hate doing factory stuff but it's like now I need something n gotta fw it 💔

It's irritating

[hollow drum]

oh its time to fix my factories

[inner jay]

if you dont like it you can always just fall back to blueprints other people made and shared

but yeah i dont remember how to make bombs lol
made too many at the start and now im never gonna use them all up

[hollow drum]

iirc its aketine and amethyst parts

or you can just. check the recipe in game

[hot temple]

Tyyty

Ily guys ty for helping me

[untold moon]

Whats the max yield on originium ore in wuling?

[hot temple]

Isn't it 50

[untold moon]

If its 50, then im well over it at 360

[inner jay]

360 sounds right

was 90 ferrium / 360 originium iirc

[hollow drum]

let me check rq

yeah Cho is right

[crimson inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-zoolander-movie-movie-zoolander-ben-stiller-benstiller-gif-12169139201078736959

[hollow drum]

i am not looking forward to this

[sand pivot]

what are components used for again? I forgor

[crimson inlet]

On your way to make it smaller in x but larger in y

[untold moon]

Well i guess ill have to settle for 12battery/6 syringe

[crimson inlet]

making gears

[hollow drum]

gear crafting

[sand pivot]

ty ty

[random hornet]

This is the better pure delay-based power generator I mentioned before

[crimson inlet]

Wuling is the only place that has tons of originum but also has an alternative to originium...

[crude nebula]

Anyone tried before, i'd been thinking, when we are reaching wuling, doesn't it better to just fully setup only batteries on valley 4, rather than crafting batteries and healing item?

[grizzled osprey]

Lmaoo

I can't unsee it now

[inner jay]

ok wait the belt circle aside
wtf is bro doing with 367.9k power

[ancient zinc]

Let him cook

[shrewd knoll]

powering the aethergate back to terra

[young stag]

powering dijiang from v4

[ancient zinc]

Power Aura farming

[hollow drum]

3 grinders for one hc battery unit is kinda...

[nova lodge]

power boosting gacha rates.

[autumn canopy]

is it possible to make a fluffed jincao plot?

[nova lodge]

make regular jincao plot, get both.
fluffed jincao can be harvested at a rate of 1-3 per plots, and have a shorter growth time.

[spice summit]

369K??

[untold moon]

You can make jincao plots which has a chance to get fluffed

[nova lodge]

** YOU HAD BEEN FLUFFED **

[spice summit]

FOR SELLING AND USE?

[untold moon]

Why use Buck A?

[hollow drum]

help (not finished)

[untold moon]

You can just make another healing item that you cant sell, and sell all Buck A.

[hollow drum]

this is 100% not working

[inland knoll]

i recommend having stuff run through it as youre building it to make it readable

[hollow drum]

good point but doesnt matter for this layout, i dont think fitting 3 grinders for each battery unit works 😭

[sand pivot]

what do we think chat?

components + batteries all in one

[inland knoll]

pro tip in the aic report the power grid tab thing can show you how much youre wasting over a period of time since the little display at the top is only for the instant present and then you can use that to nudge it a little in the right direction every day

[young stag]

chen approved

[inland knoll]

im down to like 100 energy waste

[nova lodge]

it does works, but i generally separate it into 3 components.
steel parts, sandleaf, dense originum.
all in one is really hard to pull off and adjust if you don't know what you are doing.

[hollow drum]

yeah probably better to separate

so i have to put DOP production elsewhere, likely

[random hornet]

I know, I jst don't use it for this instance

[nova lodge]

just put the sandleaf in a corner.
steel and Dense originum can still go together side by side using unloaders. (total of 10+2 ports required for max efficiency)

[hollow drum]

i have to connect the shredder to the grinder tho

actually no i just need to store the leaf and port it out using the bus

[nova lodge]

^

and it runs at max speed :3

[hollow drum]

see that was actually my initial idea but then i realized there isnt actually any space to do that (this is in the Plateau sub-AIC)

and I have max upgrades

[nova lodge]

i am doing just fine though?
even in PAC

[autumn canopy]

are fertilizers needed in growing crops or just to speed it up

[hollow drum]

PAC you mean core? core is bigger

[nova lodge]

PAC = sub base.
AIC = main base

[hollow drum]

ok im just stupid then

[nova lodge]

or to make things easier, you can also consider putting the sandleaf productions at main AIC base in a corner....since its such a big wasted space not to use it.

sandleaf can self loop after all.

[hollow drum]

i think i do have sandleaf loop elsewhere

[uneven aspen]

not needed, and 1 fertilizer doubles yield, the other one speeds it up. Can only use 1 of them per plot

Depends what you're farming. Some plants you farm every 30 minutes, the other is 12 hours.

[hollow drum]

apparently i dont

[nova lodge]

[crimson inlet]

for pure selling

alongside 3 HC bats

[untold moon]

Not sure whats the purpose of making Buck A capsules for use

[nova lodge]

early game decent healing items

without the need to eco farm ;3

then just go get fluffed by jincao later ;3

[inner jay]

idk how helpful this is but i made this while slacking off at work while pretending to be productive
might need to do a bit of decyphering with the belts tho

[untold moon]

Fluffed jincao item is overkill

[strong quiver]

imagine AIC factory at work

[hollow drum]

assume i have never built an AIC before and all the ones I have operating rn look like they were created by a monkey wearing a helmet

[untold moon]

Im still completing crafting manual, so fluffed jincao is not worth the limited # plots

[leaden siren]

i've been taking care of the base all by myself, but its total garbage, what u guys planting on V4?

[nova lodge]

reed rye, tatterplot, 2x buckle and 2x citrome :3

[inner jay]

d = depot unloader, most of them are ferrium but the ones that go directly to shredder is sandleaf
r = refiner, s = shredder, g = grinder
p = pylon, highlighted ones are ones that are powered by that color pylon, prob need extra pylons to power the unpowered (uncolored) ones

[nova lodge]

i just do something like these.
put the steel part productions somewhere else, easier to manage.

still getting 18 battery production by the hour.

[inner plinth]

Is everyone else also completely draining their outposts? Am I setting up Liaisons correctly?

I swap between Chen and Xaihi for Infra Station

[inner jay]

yea this is just for steel part prod mainly

[hollow drum]

so currently this is what i thought what my AICs were doing

Core: gbp and steel
Refugee: buck a only
infra-station: icl i dont even remember, its like a bit of everything which is terrible
Recon HQ: hc batteries

[nova lodge]

steel part productions at main aic.

[inner plinth]

I still have tons of Buck capsule and batteries, is this max efficiency? Idk if I'm doing the liaisons wrong

[inner jay]

completely draining them is the goal yea

[hollow drum]

i also use laeva-chen-gilb in that order

[inner plinth]

Okay thank you

[grand vault]

I need more Ginseng & more Shits

https://tenor.com/view/fogo-more-star-wars-gif-13624709056817377234

Devs should make the Burdo's shitting CD time equal to the Tuckbeast's Respawn time

[untold moon]

Its because you let it stay capped for too long.

[nova lodge]

i just wish they allow for poop collection to be faster.....
getting stuck waiting for it to poop ;v

[untold moon]

If its capped, it doesnt regenerate stock bills above the max amount for each outpost

[hollow drum]

highkey feels like im trolling

[ornate frigate]

Yes you are

What is that

[nova lodge]

[hollow drum]

i was not lying when i said i have no idea how to make an objectively good factory lol

[crimson inlet]

.pp

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1331192247856922696/most_defensible_btw.gif

[sand pivot]

I made some changes to the all in one machine (battery + components), it's more compact now but it allows almost double the production of originium powder for faster battery production (old vs new below). Any ideas or suggestions on how I could improve efficiency while keeping it somewhat aesthetic?

[inner jay]

i mean it gets the job done so looks good to me
push to prod

[sand pivot]

the one on the right is the "improved" design but sometimes the shredder on the right goes dormant (stops producing originium powder) due to the splitter at the depot

[hollow drum]

im not happy with it either ngl its very space-inefficient (a theme across how I build my AICs)

[inner jay]

i think regardless of how you build you're going to end up with some inefficiencies, particularly when it gets to the packing/filling unit stages so honestly it's not that bad

too many inputs required on those

[sand pivot]

I guess maybe I could add a splitter here instead of the bridge? to disribute the originium evenly across the production lines? or would that slow down the overall production?

[hollow drum]

i mean it seems like people can get a hang of it

[inner plinth]

It's never been capped for at least a week

[spice summit]

SPLITTERS DONT WORK Btw

[sand pivot]

now that I think about it the splitter wouldn't work in there

[spice summit]

a belt moves 1 item per 2 seconds that is your hard limit

PLS

DONT

it will slow you dont

belts have a hard limit

its gonna clog

[sand pivot]

ok ok so I guess one of the machines will always be going dormant now and then?

[spice summit]

bridges work becuse its another belt

[hollow drum]

splitters will be better if we have faster belts

[inner plinth]

I feel like the only good use for splitters is for plant powder

[spice summit]

yes it will clog

it will clog as fuck

[spice summit]

^^^

imagine if excess power input translates to faster belt

[sand pivot]

yeah lowkey these belts are slow asl ngl

[spice summit]

ohh god

[inner jay]

the main space optimizations come from the steps before the filling/packing units, i guess thats what i mean
like i guess there are some things you can do here by moving the filling units to orient them a little more efficiently but honestly not gonna see too much benefit either way

[inner plinth]

But faster conveyors would break the game's balance

[sand pivot]

and the game's fps

imagine having a gazillion items rendering at once 💀

[spice summit]

no it wont your capped at the resource level

[inner plinth]

It spawning and despawning aswell

[spice summit]

beltless technology

[hollow drum]

you mean like the parts and the dense powder bit?

[inner jay]

ehhh you're capped by mines so it shouldnt be that impactful tbh
just making space efficiency easier

[inner plinth]

What Abt space management

[sand pivot]

I think instead of adding belts that send items faster, they should add belts that send items in stacks (of like 5 or 10)

[inner plinth]

It would make depot busses less valuable

[spice summit]

it would be better

[untold moon]

So whats your production rate that youre able to clean out each outpost and still have 6k leftover.

[inner plinth]

That could work

[inner plinth]

Yeah, I thought it was weird at first until I asked it in this channel

[spice summit]

no it wont dyou only have like 6 uqnue items it wont

[inner plinth]

I thought I set up the wrong liasons

[spice summit]

but belt faster loooks cooooooolllllll af

like

[sand pivot]

also beltless technology wouldn't work @spice summit

it'd still cause lag

[inner plinth]

Faster conveyors mean you'll only need one unloader minimum to make steel

[spice summit]

its soo slow lore wise why do bets exst if we have beltless like transfer

[sand pivot]

cause you're still telling the server that every x amount of milliseconds, an item has been transferred

it works with the depot because it doesn't have a tick time, it just sends x amount at once

[inner plinth]

But squeezing everything into small spaces is the fun of factory games

[untold moon]

My only theory is that you stayed capped for far too long and your production was able to build up. So once again, whats your production that youre able to clean the outposts

[ornate frigate]

No, it isn't unless they make facilities produce products faster

[inner jay]

it would just be really minor stuff like cutting belts a tiny bit shorter or shifting everything further over to the left or something so that you have more space on the right to do whatever you need to do i guess? but yeah

[inner plinth]

I think it was 10/minute? I'm excluding the batteries used to power my AIC

[untold moon]

Thats nowhere near the amount to be able to clean out every outposts

[inner plinth]

I also have Buck capsule at 18/min I think

[inner plinth]

It isn't?

I thought 18/min is max for the valley IV batteries

[sand pivot]

not necessarily, sometimes the production machines don't work because they're not getting enough items in time (bc the belts are too slow/ send too little amount of items)

[inner plinth]

Wait my brain is not braining rn

[spice summit]

^^

[inner jay]

yeah but i guess the point i was trying to make was that the amount of stuff you can make is still more or less the same because you're rate limited by how fast you get ores
outside of ig making more plant spawning factories for no reason other than just capping out your depot faster lol

[sand pivot]

faster belts/ belts that send items in stacks don't break the game because you're still locked by production time
faster production breaks the game because you'd be producing stuff at an unexpected rate

[untold moon]

Im hitting 18 BuckA + 18 HC + 120 amethyst + 20 origocrust/min and I'm barely clearing 2 outposts. So how youre cleaning 3 outposts with leftover is beyond me.

[inner plinth]

You're not making Buck capsule B?

[ornate frigate]

I think that's an issue with how you're building the factory
Belts transport stuff at 1/2 seconds, and most facilities run at 1 item/2 seconds

[inner plinth]

Wait I can't check my productions rn cuz of game update

[cunning obsidian]

not really just allows some neater setups, top is theory craft that would work with 2x belts and a priority gate

[inner plinth]

You're not supposed to make origocrusts or amethysts

[sand pivot]

it is but sometimes it's just illogical to place a depot unloader like if you look at my build for example, instead of the splitter I could use another depot unloader but it'd fall off the grid so I'd be wasting unnecessary space which could be fixed with faster belts/ belts that send items in stacks

[uneven aspen]

did you do outpost defence?

[inner plinth]

Yea

[inner plinth]

This isn't max efficiency rn, you can squeeze out a lil bit more

[grand vault]

Anyone got that 1 protocol stash that doesn't powered and stores backup items in here ?

[untold moon]

Where are you getting enough ferrium to make that on top of 18buck a + 18 hc

[inner plinth]

Do you have 1080 ferrium/min?

[sand pivot]

it's just a normal protocol stash but you set it to storage mode

[cunning obsidian]

@sand pivot if you see my above screenshot the bottom half is a similar concept but i'm doing the chips and parts

[inner plinth]

Cuz that's max in valley IV rn

[ornate frigate]

Nothing changes still, because unloaders transport items at 1 per 2 seconds

[untold moon]

I have the max yield for ferrium

[grand vault]

just unpowered it so it doesn't takes power from the grid tho

[inner plinth]

It should be enough for it

[sand pivot]

it does though, if belts allowed stacks, it'd transport a stack of 5 per second instead of 1 per second

[ornate frigate]

Which brings me to my point: faster Belts won't change anything much unless they make facilities run faster

[grand vault]

and yes they're in storage mode incase I accidentally power them up

[sand pivot]

I literally just proved you how they would change things

they would save you space

[cunning obsidian]

they would be immense quality of life

this is literally the bus versus pipeline argument

[sand pivot]

literally, you're looking at it from a production rate perspective only but the issue is that insufficient product delivery to the production machines can also lower the production rate

[inner plinth]

Yeah that's basically all faster conveyors would do

And they also make things MUCH more simpler

[glad dew]

yeah. esp in the case of making Wuling batteries.. gotta have multiple lines going in of the same product to make it consistent output

[ornate frigate]

So you pause the Belt transporting for a while and then enable it to allow 5 items to be transported per second? Unloaders still transport items at 1 per 2 seconds.

[cunning obsidian]

so maybe they should do that instead of gutting the mechanics?

but the thing i personally really want is logical gates

[sand pivot]

no, the unloader would just drop a stack of 5 items per second instead of 1 item per second

[inner plinth]

Maybe if they add more AIC content. Rn there's still enough spaces for extra conveyors and unloaders

[inland knoll]

it would reduce the amount of belts you need for the same amount of factories

[ornate frigate]

That's what they have to change for faster Belts to actually make a difference

[sand pivot]

that's precisely my point

[inner plinth]

That would be cool aswell

[inland knoll]

double flow rate belts would let you put 2 refineries into a converger

[ornate frigate]

Hmm, hold on

Let me think for a moment

[sand pivot]

I am pretty sure it's not the unloader that processes the items either way though

[inner plinth]

Take yer time

[cunning obsidian]

I really really want stockpile gates

[sand pivot]

that's the reason it doesn't spit out items unless it has a belt connected to it

[inland knoll]

itd keep the speed of the aic report the same but itd reduce your floor space used

which is like really convenient

[sand pivot]

the belt would dictate the amount of items the unloader would spit out

[cunning obsidian]

lets items through while storage is empty orf target item

[sand pivot]

yup

[uneven aspen]

I feel like double flow rate belts will be a thing in a future region/upgrade. Kinda like relays and pylons -> xiranite upgrades.

[sand pivot]

the splitters don't even work as intended

[inner jay]

speaking of flow rate, i do appreciate how liquid traveling through pipes go at 4x speed

[inland knoll]

what would a use case for that be?

[inner plinth]

Likely yeah

[sand pivot]

they were supposed to spread items evenly across the belts, instead they only process 1 item at a time which makes them useless in a way

[inner plinth]

As the AIC gets more and more advanced, it'll take more stuff and therefore take up more space

[untold moon]

Game should be up, id like to see your production. Because I still dont believe that you have ferrium to spare after building 18hc+18buckA

[inner plinth]

Oki gimme a min

[inner jay]

not that we have enough resource income to make proper use of this yet but is kinda nice

[cunning obsidian]

going back to my screenshot

[ornate frigate]

Okay

What I thought of is that it makes yield rates go slightly higher

[cunning obsidian]

this line is designed to make batteries most of the time at full speed, but sacrifice batteries to top off chips if i'm low on those

[sand pivot]

it wouldn't make your yield go higher because the production time would be the same

[ornate frigate]

Oh yeah, hahaha

[sand pivot]

you'd still take 2 seconds to process originium powder

[ornate frigate]

I was gonna say that

In the case of using Splitters

Faster Belts do help

[sand pivot]

but instead of needing 2 unloaders and 2 belt tracks (1 for each shredder), you could just use 1 unloader and 1 belt track with a splitter

[untold moon]

Here's my production and im barely clearing 2 outposts

[cunning obsidian]

currently the only automatic way that i can swap that production mode i when the storage is completely full

[ornate frigate]

Are we deadass with the 1200/min usage of Ferrium 😭

[inner jay]

rather than production time it's moreso limited by how fast you get the actual ores
production time is mitigated by just shoving more facilities in your base
but when you use up all of the ores your base gets that's it, nothing more you can get

[ornate frigate]

Okay, that WAS the point you've been trying to say

[sand pivot]

yup 😅

[ornate frigate]

About Splitters

[inner plinth]

Why is your originium ore usage 750/min?

[cunning obsidian]

also i can't store the chips and amyethest parts to the same protocol because that can fill up with just one of those items and break

[untold moon]

Do you not see the 70k in depot?

[uneven aspen]

Asking again do you have auto defense buffs? And operator assigned to outpost?

[ornate frigate]

Ts should be 80k

[inland knoll]

oh i didnt consider that more belt flow rate would effectively increase your depot output slots too

[atomic fiber]

have they fixed the splitter and converger bug when it near building?

[sand pivot]

in here I'd remove one of the refining units btw

[inland knoll]

i was only thinking about it in terms of products

[sand pivot]

you don't need all that origocrust or wtv it's called

[ornate frigate]

Or you could turn it off when Depot amount is almost gone, I dunno

WAIT

[hollow drum]

is 13 the max amount of unloaders you can put in a sub-PAC

[ornate frigate]

[inner plinth]

Guys, is this the most efficient production? Or is there a more efficient one

[untold moon]

I have auto defense buffs. And I have levantain and gilberta assigned for full chance

[sand pivot]

and it will slow down your battery production by a ton

[untold moon]

2nd outpost is just 2/3

[inner jay]

13 for refugee camp (bc they have fences for whatever reason)
14 for the other outposts if you make the unloaders stick out by 1 tile on each side

[uneven aspen]

18/min hcbat and 18/min cons a should be enough for all 3 outposts.

[ornate frigate]

Can you transport Ferrium Ore from Wuling to Valley IV without using up the Ferrium Ore Depot of Wuling?

[untold moon]

What is the extra 10k going to do in depot?

[ornate frigate]

Wait, I'm thinking of an idea

[inland knoll]

18/18 is already 100% efficiency, anything beyond what you need to outpace how fast outposts can trade with you isnt more efficiency its just extra stuff you have to make depot number go up

[inner plinth]

@untold moon don't make origocrusts, waste of originium

[ornate frigate]

But I need an answer to this

[inner plinth]

Yes, using metatransfer

25/min

[inland knoll]

i LOVE making depot number go up personally i make sure every single thing is max i got 80k ferrium ore 80k ferrium 80k ferrium powder 80k dense ferrium powder blah blah

[ornate frigate]

Ah ye, Metastorage

[hollow drum]

ok yeah i managed it

[inner plinth]

Do u mean 79980ish

[nova lodge]

yes, in the future most likely.
not now though, can't even do regional transfer from wulling to valley 4.
valley 4 to wulling, yes. not the other way around.

[inner jay]

from wuling to valley 4 is impossible rn no?
i thought i finished all the main story stuff and it didnt let me send anything from wuling to valley 4

[untold moon]

Its only temporary to use the excess originium ore

[inland knoll]

no 80k items that are on the factory floor being processed dont count

[ornate frigate]

Did someone say 25/min???

[inner plinth]

Wait really?

[inland knoll]

so you can have like 80500 things available to you at any given moment

[sand pivot]

it is decent to trade early game (since it produces super fast) and to build components no?

[inner plinth]

Yeah, it transfers 1500/hr

[inland knoll]

when you consider protocol stashes can eat up to 300 each you could actually pretty feasibly get to 90k but the depot will only ever show stuff in the depot which caps at 80

[inner plinth]

He wants to empty out his outposts

[sand pivot]

ohhh

[inner plinth]

Like this

[inland knoll]

the aic report specifically shows your depot not the system so think of that as you going through your warehouse with stuff constantly going in and out but at an equal rate itll stay at 80k

[atomic fiber]

anyone here interested in complex technique?

i have this item auto detector

[inland knoll]

id like it if we had like a dijiang depot that only accepted items that arent able to be made in a factory like progression stuff so you could have that all in one spot

[ornate frigate]

What

[atomic fiber]

but tbh don't really get how it work

[ornate frigate]

Wym item auto detector

[inner plinth]

Item sorter?

[atomic fiber]

KR people say. it can auto detect poop and switch to making fertilizer if there is poo poo. and switch back to making xiranite immediately if there is no muck

if this can be understood i think it can be applied on other facilities too

[fossil spoke]

cant they have version that belt efficient or smth

like

bro

they make auto item detector

[inner jay]

the squiggly belts

[atomic fiber]

i don't know... tbh. i can't even speak KR

[fossil spoke]

and they cant use efficient belt ?

yeah its not u Bronya

its just

[nova lodge]

basically slowing down xiranite production for fertilizer....yeah, its possible.

[ornate frigate]

First off, this arrangement is killing me 😭

Second, I think it's just utilizing Item Sorters

[fossil spoke]

for like a few poop

its not that bad imo

since we get forge limitation atm

[atomic fiber]

slowing down? how does that work? tbh i don't really understand that picture either

[nova lodge]

yep, running at max limit xiranite usage atm.
if we got excess then yes.

[fossil spoke]

eh nvm

i forgot that forge only have 1 fluid input

[ornate frigate]

Why are people gathering poop

[fossil spoke]

did they use bottle tech forr swapping liquid

bruhhh

[ornate frigate]

[atomic fiber]

wait... you don't mean that blueprint will never be able to run xiranite production at full eff?? 💀

[fossil spoke]

for double yield

[inland knoll]

do not mess around with putting 2 different items into the same protocol stash

[fossil spoke]

to make the better fertilizer

[inland knoll]

worst mistake of my life.

[nova lodge]

its just the occasional slowdown for fertilizer production.
since we are limited by forge count atm.

[inland knoll]

also i kinda like that some things are best made to order like fertilizer

[ornate frigate]

Learned this the hard way as well

[fossil spoke]

anyway how much ginseng u guys actually need

like

did u fail too much or

on trimming the medal

[inland knoll]

its kinda cool being able to just pop some control ports on and get exactly what you order later on it feels like immersive somehow

[ornate frigate]

Oh yeah

Time to Trim Rhodagn medal without any food buff

[strong quiver]

how do you even get Ginseng

[ornate frigate]

[strong quiver]

i need food

[fossil spoke]

stacking 100 ginseng food is already enough

atm

[inland knoll]

what like the thing you put in tea

[fossil spoke]

get some seed ?

from the npc

[atomic fiber]

i get how you can slow down if it only one input. but that also use different fluid no? how do they time it correctly then for the changing fluid?

[fossil spoke]

they use the bottle strat

so u can have 1 wildcard pipe

that can be filled with any liquid

depending on the switch

[atomic fiber]

[brazen whale]

when you come off and everything is fine, and you come back like a day later and find 0 power and everything stopped

[atomic fiber]

but doesn't forge of sky only accept 1 type of liquid?

[fossil spoke]

u use this

[fossil spoke]

no, the forge can also accept xiranite liquid

for the fertilizer

lemme ss it

[nova lodge]

see the xiranite fluid bottles there?

[nova lodge]

👆

[atomic fiber]

yes. i know it can accept 2 types. but i mean isn't it only 1 type at the same time? how to manage when your forge of sky is full of normal water and you want to put xiranite water for fertilizer?

[fossil spoke]

this whole part

is fluid switcher

u can send normal water bottle

or xiranite fluid bottle

dependings on the item detected

example

if the detector detect it has poop in the system, they will send bottled xiranite water instead

to the separating unit

that will separate the bottle and xiranite liquid

[atomic fiber]

how does the detection work? what it use for the detection?

[fossil spoke]

xiranite liquid goes to sky forrge

bottle goes to stash

[inner jay]

btw tried backreading kr factory chat really quick to find the culprit for those belts but couldnt find it

[hollow drum]

any ideas on how to fit a 3rd grinder here

[fossil spoke]

the detector definitely is on this part of the BP

[hollow drum]

or i just dont and send dop straight from the pac

[fossil spoke]

about how it works.... well

do you have clearer BP

not image ss

[atomic fiber]

i don't 😭

which is why I'm confused

[fossil spoke]

u didnt have any bp ?

for that thing

well

i can try to recreate it

give me some time

[atomic fiber]

ok

you can ping me later

[fossil spoke]

aight

[inner jay]

do you have enough depot unloaders left to make another block?

[hollow drum]

nah theyre all used

[fossil spoke]

like, its not gonna finish quickly since I want to do umbral first

[nova lodge]

pretty sure its not complete auto detection....but just works on item restriction basis.
but i might be wrong.

[fossil spoke]

yes

[ornate frigate]

Where are the 2 Shredders of Originium for the 3rd Grinder?

[fossil spoke]

using item control belt

and splitter

player rarely explore that aspect of belt logistic

[hollow drum]

thats why im asking, i dont think its feasible but someone might see differently

[fossil spoke]

so its kinda dark magic

while it isnt

[ornate frigate]

You want those first off

The location of the Grinder will depend on where they are

[inner jay]

i mean if there arent any free unloaders left no amount of voodoo magic compacting is gonna let you build another block lmao

[atomic fiber]

it does feel kinda black magic

[hollow drum]

i only have two free output ports from the PAC

which I think is better off just running DOP that I produce elsewhere to the two battery units

hold onb

[inner jay]

yea you'd need 4 so unless you can free up 2 more by replacing any plant outputs (if using any) there isnt much else you can do

[ornate frigate]

Does this count?

[hollow drum]

yeah unfortunately i am using a sandleaf output unit for the two grinders LOL

[atomic fiber]

i think it's more of combination with item control for the magic

[hollow drum]

i do have two sandleaf loop in the bottom side of the base but not sure how to connect to grinders

[trail badge]

I was lowk struggling to understand the close to perfect wuling aic battery system but I suddenly understood in my dreams

Damn it was that simple

[hollow drum]

15 hc batts / min i guess its alright

[trail badge]

W dreams

[fossil spoke]

this quite normal no?, the one i meant is the auto item detector using combination of splitter and belt port control

even I can hardly understand that topic (belt control)

[nova lodge]

i just have the looping sandleaf production be stored into protocol stash, then dispense it as needed from an unloader depot for grinding purpose.
(after passing through the shreeder of course)

[inner jay]

yea that's the tricky part, just gotta try stuff and see what you can get away with space wise
can also try different configurations of the sand leaf loops and stick them next to the grinders and see what works out but it's just something you're gonna have to try if you want to figure that out

[fossil spoke]

but wait, before that

is the water rate from bottle

[hollow drum]

yeah i think to get to 18 i kinda have to find a way to attach both ends, cuz rn its two separate areas

[fossil spoke]

fast enough so it doesnt bottleneck the forge

[ornate frigate]

Up next: writing a formula of π revealed to you in a dream

[fossil spoke]

when on xiranite making mode

[inner jay]

the issue we were trying to resolve was not having enough depot unloaders to do what they wanted to do so the only way we would be able to do that was replacing sand leaf depot unloader and getting directly

[hollow drum]

yerp

[trail badge]

🥹

[hollow drum]

the ramanujan of endfield

[ornate frigate]

YOU KNOW BALL

LFG

[fossil spoke]

and @atomic fiber is that the only pic u had

[hollow drum]

i need to rewatch

[trail badge]

I dont know ball

[nova lodge]

i see, though i am very curious how that can happen though....

not sure how the base is looking like atm.

[ornate frigate]

YDKB

[trail badge]

IDKB

[hollow drum]

i can get 14 unloaders

two grinder blocks take up 5 each (1 sandleaf 4 orig)

i have 4 left which I cant make a double grinder block

[atomic fiber]

i think i found the code
EFO0152142o339u99eioe

[fossil spoke]

niceeee, i still want to learn the item detector tho

[nova lodge]

all the base fully upgraded?

[hollow drum]

yes

[ornate frigate]

Alright alright, I really need to optimize my Valley IV base

Time to go

[trail badge]

What is with the on off for the control port

[nova lodge]

yep, quite strange.
anyway, what are you missing atm? just dense originum?

[ornate frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/endfield-akendfield-factory-factorymustgrow-arknights-gif-12603744423069880629

[trail badge]

What it do

[hollow drum]

two of my battery units are running at 100% eff cuz i did this (I have a DOP unit elsewhere)

[nova lodge]

fyi, 1 unloader sandleaf can fulfill 3 grinders.

[hollow drum]

the last one lacks one more DOP port

yeah but theres still no spot for the ori grinders

so i didnt bother

LOL

i was thinking how can i connect all 3 sandleaf ports to 6 grinders. nope

[trail badge]

Ts was lowk my masterpiece

[inner jay]

yea this is another one of the biggest challenges i found while trying to make stuff compact

[nova lodge]

if you ignore symmetry, you definitly can.
function over form usually.

give me a moment, for your sandleaf, put those stuff into protocol stash

[hollow drum]

no like its not about how the base looks

i legit cant fit two more originium grinder lines

unless you know some magic trick

if i connect the sandleaf units below to the grinders, yes. that frees up two unloaders

but i am not sure how to do that atm

[nova lodge]

i wish i can have a design template to showcase the solution without destroying my base setup =.=

[inner jay]

it's kinda hard to see here and it's for ferrium rather than originium but idea is more or less the same
but when you try to use stuff like this it gets messy real fast
like how the top left section is relatively neat but it gets more and more messy the further right it goes lmao

[hollow drum]

i may have an idea, actually.

actually nah

[bitter epoch]

realistically if I want to optimize my factory with blueprints ive seen on here, ig it would make sense to start from valley iv?

i feel like my base is pretty inefficient

[vocal island]

Do u need normal sandleaf for anything or just the powder?

[nova lodge]

yeah, i believe i can pull off 2x full 100% HC battery production in 1 sub pac if i just focus on that alone.
not something i would like to do since its not space efficient, but possible.

[spare orbit]

when will whenfield uncap forge of the sky this is so sad

[nova lodge]

but to save your sanity, i would recommend splitting battery production facilities for HC into 3 bases instead, makes it easier to plan and manage space

[hollow drum]

Max unloaders is 14

Currently 8 is being used by Orig->Shredder, 2 by Sandleaf->Shredder, Steel->Parts, and DOP each

The next "optimization" is linking the Sandleaf prod to the main battery prod so I can get 3 100% efficiency HC Battery units. This is done by adding another grinder to the 3rd unit, which needs 2 more orig slots

Currently I have two on 100% and the last one only at 80%

[hollow drum]

my sanity went out the window the moment I decided to play this game icl

[spare orbit]

what is even the use for the 2nd aic in wuling

[nova lodge]

based on the image you had shown me, move the sandleaf production to the side instead and directly connect to grinders?
just need the unloaders to release ore.

[vocal island]

That's why the resource to grind this game is clef sanity

You need to spend your actual sanity to play

[hollow drum]

its mostly the powder and trust me you need the powder for everything after ferrium

[lapis flint]

I have a question.
Does anyone have a Valley BP that builds for everything and not just the purple battery and capsule?

[spare orbit]

i just clone whatever i need tbh

[vocal island]

Got it, I got 3 planter set ups going rn, that enough for now? Or should I make 4?

[spare orbit]

and just focus on purple batts and capsules

[hollow drum]

i mentally collapsed when i saw my first sandleaf plant in Wuling

[hollow drum]

I have like 6 and its not enough

[vocal island]

....

[hollow drum]

im not kidding. EVERYTHING needs it

[vocal island]

Okay that's it I'm dedicated a sub pac to sand leaf

[hollow drum]

Buck A and HC Batteries in V4 needs like

ok so

Both items use Steel -> Sandleaf
HC Batteries use DOP -> Sandleaf

If you break it down
1 Buck A is 10 Steel Bottles + 10 GBP, thats 20 powder + 10 powder
1 HC Battery uses 10 parts and 15 DOP, that's 10 + 15

[nova lodge]

just do things like this at your main base and you will be fine.
at the bottom no depot corner.

[hollow drum]

yeah these ^ work just fine and you dont need to manually feed them

[nova lodge]

got a whole row of it here:

[vocal island]

I got mine set up in the corner of my lc farm (haven't converted to hc yet)

[low obsidian]

i bought it 800 and sell it 5500

[hollow drum]

daylight robbery

[runic epoch]

.dump

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1440929401293377577/he-bought-v0-xr0k05p7u92g1.png?ex=691ff194&is=691ea014&hm=23556644f228e8a04b70be8ec7172442b5e26952308f2dad2668b548183f0c92&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=610&height=593

[nova lodge]

.stonks

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1440929296146497639/G6Ih57bacAITmvm.png?ex=691ff17b&is=691e9ffb&hm=91e95e84256e6e195565713e124e50b7d0551f1528c7ee8642b763175e1d9290&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=527&height=395

[hollow drum]

yeah thats what i was thinking but

theres two more sub PAC that needs my attention

[low obsidian]

Peak

[hollow drum]

i needed to fix the batteries first cuz obviously

[nova lodge]

here is an example, if i decide to remove my sandleaf depot, its possible.
just need to belt it in from the nearby sandleaf planter.

[nova lodge]

yeah, better just place the battery production facilities into 3 bases, helps with adjustment way better.
better don't force 2 HC battery productions into a single base.

[grizzled osprey]

.stonks

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1440929296146497639/G6Ih57bacAITmvm.png?ex=691ff17b&is=691e9ffb&hm=91e95e84256e6e195565713e124e50b7d0551f1528c7ee8642b763175e1d9290&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=527&height=395

[low obsidian]

They should make a weekly reset of this

600K and cannot reset wth

[hollow drum]

i wouldnt say its a full prod ngl

[low obsidian]

[hollow drum]

the steel is being produced elsewhere and im only using the fitting units

[nova lodge]

better to just straight up produce the steel parts instead of stopping at steel.

save more space.
same applies to bottles as well.

[hollow drum]

not sure what space i need to save icl LOL

maybe ill find a way to make it better eventually

[low obsidian]

the pain

20K of item by teleporting back and forth is so painful 😭😭

[atomic fiber]

@fossil spoke
the auto item detector is real. and it's no trick. it is real dark magic

without poo poo

[nova lodge]

on a separate note......
getting to 80k, gonna be used later.
trus :3

[atomic fiber]

with poo poo

[nova lodge]

ok, i will pretend i didn't see that.
this must had came from the school of 0 sanity engineers.

[atomic fiber]

crazy stuff

and it give exactly 1 xiranite for 1 poo passed!!

🔥

the draw back is it run at half belt speed. but you can just make 2 of this system if you need full belt speed

[fossil spoke]

but using two sandleaf is kinda 1/4 the speed

why not 1 sandleaf so the speed isnt that slow

[spice summit]

fucking hell i am at leve 32 and i still haven t found sandleaf

[atomic fiber]

it's not 2. it's 1 sandleaf input only

[nova lodge]

power plant area.

[fossil spoke]

oh is this modified

not the bp one ?

[spice summit]

power platou

?

do i have to defeat the boss girl

i only defeated triagellos

i havent been able to accesss the other

[atomic fiber]

it's the bp one

[nova lodge]

power plant plateau area, just outside the powerplant from the other entrance.
pick up all the plants you see.

[atomic fiber]

should be same code

[spice summit]

ic thx

[fossil spoke]

check the sandleaf input

from depot unloader

[spice summit]

is it past the cradle of the ages

[nova lodge]

yep.
its the next map, after clearing the power plant on that map and exiting the building, you should be able to find some sandleaf nearby

[atomic fiber]

you are right... but i think it still should work fine without that one i think. look useless

or wait was it to give space

so it don't broke system

because it can't take another poo after 1 poo?

yeah... seems like it, there is further logic ahead

[fossil spoke]

yeah, im experimenting with 1 sandleaf rn

[iron sedge]

does anyone know the current max of originium ore yield for wuling?

[warm comet]

oh lawd how do i fit wuling batteries, xiranite, and xiranite component in one go when wuling has such limited resources

[lavish crown]

If there’s a will there’s a way

[warm comet]

my way makes me lose any will

[lavish crown]

Have fun with it, and make cool symmetric construct

[warm comet]

the factory has overgrown and i cannot think of a way to save my factory without restarting

[warm comet]

any engineer would have a heart attack after seeing what ive done

[lavish crown]

Save a copy as a blueprint and try things out it’s okay you don’t need to make at max output 24/7

It’s okay

[warm comet]

but for now, i manually put 50 blue batteries in thermal bank and pray

[lavish crown]

Have you seen then magnum opus from a fellow discord member yet

[warm comet]

the who and what now

first it was valley IV relays, i think my lineman job is worse than third world country electricity lines.

at least wuling is wireless.

[lavish crown]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1471066588680683650/GIF_20260207_185110_517.gif?ex=698e3dc5&is=698cec45&hm=8b8dcb4bfddc479803522777c4f0455f092d483644d99597764b1a2a12140cc0&

#aic-factory message

[inner jay]

Diagonal symmetry is p cool

[lavish crown]

What a God

I call him DaVinci

[fossil spoke]

.umbral

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1470467555637334127/image.png?ex=698b6721&is=698a15a1&hm=4aa8bcad03188291b0dff4c3b3becee9e40e7b4e2407d39f2e39652d2c3c2103&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=463&height=361

[hollow drum]

well i tried

[crisp idol]

so apparently there's just not enough space for 12/min buckA in one sub-pac... unless.

you can't blueprint it but you can technically have one more depot unloader and that just happens to be exactly what i need rn

[solid python]

Just put 1 in each Sub-PAC

[hollow drum]

there is if you produce some of the ingredients elsewhere

i had 18/min before i decided to try and go for 24/min which ruined all my AICs

[crisp idol]

only thing im doing for that is plants since they take up the most space for their yield

[hollow drum]

i produce the GBP in my core

so this is what happens. kinda

[cunning obsidian]

i got 24 in my main pac

it takes nearly all of it

and two sands being fed from sub pacs

[hollow drum]

yeah its even more doable in core AIC bc of the spaces, and two bus lines

For sub, I think 18 is the max people have mentioned

[spice summit]

i had layed out 500relays

[hollow drum]

i kinda did it gang 😭

[lavish crown]

Good try

[hollow drum]

that area of this sub PAC was horrendous, it was producing 1 dop and i had dense ferrium powder for some reason??????????

[lavish crown]

?

[hollow drum]

so i changed it to 3 dop instead so it can go to the plateau PAC

[hollow drum]

beats me, I was probably working on it at like 4am

[lavish crown]

Same I spent 8 hours yesterday on dense carbon

You wanna see it?

[hollow drum]

sure

I only have it in Wuling and I think my setup is OK

[lavish crown]

Your setup is probably fine .. don’t stress

[shut meteor]

my dumbass JUST realized i never needed to plug my seedplanting units to the pac or depot unloader to perpetuate the cycle, please don't mind the other production facilities i'm still trying to optimize it and any of the protocal stashes here can be replaced with other facilities if need be

[ancient zinc]

[cyan forge]

uh can someone help me point out where i can find the transfer between region option?

[plush copper]

Go to the PAC

Or Sub PAC and open protocol screen

[cyan forge]

any pac? ayt thx

[plush copper]

Also it autos, so once you set a transfer- IT WILL KEEP GOING

Until you change it

[cyan forge]

i know that

i just forgot where to set it up

[plush copper]

Just checking I forgot and had an oop with batteries lol

[cyan forge]

lol

[ancient zinc]

2 ways to transfer

Using Meta storage at ur PAC or manual transfer depo to depo

[cyan forge]

been there b4

[cyan forge]

yea ik

[plush copper]

Love meta storage

[cyan forge]

tried both alr

[hollow drum]

whats meta storage

[cyan forge]

meta storage is hourly rite?

[hollow drum]

oh that

rip my ferrium

[slim moat]

is the only way to get double throughput on the crucible doing different items?

[hollow drum]

think so

i tried doubling up on the same items and it didnt work

[slim moat]

huh, interesting choice on HG's end

[unreal laurel]

u the item belt to filter what leaves

[hollow drum]

i think its bc of the 50 stack

if crucibles allowed 100 i think it'd work

you can still dispense the same product thru two pipes but that just makes the prod worse

[crimson inlet]

me waiting for 3m a day in valley 4

[hollow drum]

thank you based lc battery

i should probably double up on syringe c instead of what im doing rn

not enough ferrium to go around

[somber briar]

Do nothing is the best move here right?

[cinder sun]

.tsumino.: You currently have 670 points.

[shrewd knoll]

you can still profit

just not a lot

[fossil spoke]

use 50 only

[somber briar]

Damn

[fossil spoke]

on the most profitable item at that store

so u wont waste 50 buy chance when refresh happen (game reset)

[shrewd knoll]

doing nothing would be the worst thing

[fossil spoke]

yeah

[somber snow]

gambling addicts quit b4 hitting it big,
buy all of them

[hollow drum]

mfw forge clog

[somber briar]

I skipped yesterday all green, now it goes even higher

This market is too shit, i need more stock type

And they said +3k on average profit is pretty reasonable on wuling

[idle mason]

Bruh, I'm cooked if I have to manually transfer my originium reserves in Wuling to Valley IV

[sinful osprey]

I realised few hours ago I can put pipes anywhere so I dragged it across the city

The pipe currently cuts through ground

[paper magnet]

Technology

[arctic sluice]

Anybody got some aic codes for a very beginner wuling factory?

I just unlocked it

[hallow monolith]

uh, what does this error mean? this is how the blueprint is suppose to line up

[nova osprey]

well that's a new one o.o;;

[idle mason]

there are some buildings there already being placed that's blocking it

[green moon]

PEAK WATER😭

[nova osprey]

holy moly is that xiranite piss

[idle mason]

Mountain Dew Fountain

[analog elbow]

@grizzled osprey

[green moon]

can u believe i have never ever tasted mtndew in my life

[analog elbow]

[green moon]

only sprite and coke

and fanta

[analog elbow]

Same. Don't have that here

[nova osprey]

yeah saw that coming lmao

[idle mason]

I haven't tried it myself, but are you able to mix different fluids into there?

[green moon]

no, for any pools , only one liquid

i guess the devs just wanna make it easier

[analog elbow]

Welp it can be used later i guess

[nova osprey]

ult gain efficiency ig

[analog elbow]

true true

[nova osprey]

same thing happened to me

i have so many tide armors now loll

[sonic plover]

I'm trying to find Asia's Sandleaf Farm blueprint. rn, mine didnt do much

[heavy ravine]

So I saw this post on reddit with a bunch of upvotes about a wuling power limiter but it only works above 2200 power. I can't actually think of a reason why you'd ever want to be producing that much power. Wouldn't that just eat into your battery production and put you into the negative on stock bills without any real gain?

[wanton lake]

plant farms are all the same, you can even use the game blueprint for it

[fossil spoke]

if we talked about battery optimizer in general, it would save u soo much money

but.

some design has cons

like that one will have blackout in some time

and tbh 2200 power is small

[heavy ravine]

When are you ever generating more than 1.8k in wuling anyways?

[fossil spoke]

on wuling rn

but im not using that design in particular

[heavy ravine]

Huh, what are you spending all that extra power on?

[fossil spoke]

2 battery production

1 component production

the farm

and the jincao

and all that ziplines

and the reason of why battery optimizer exist

[heavy ravine]

How much energy does the farm use up?

[fossil spoke]

is because if u use power over 1800 (1600 wuling + 200 pac) then u need to use 1 more thermal bank right ?

and it consumes 1600 more power per wuling batt

so u have 3400K power (this waste so much battery)

[fossil spoke]

I dont pay any attention for per area usage tho

[heavy ravine]

I'm at exactly 1.8k with bats, syringes, components, and zips

[fringe summit]

I do this

[fossil spoke]

and the function of battery optimizer is turning off and on the batt, so it generates exactly at the consumed power

[fossil spoke]

good then, if u can save much power

[fringe summit]

Just optimize your battery

Oscilate 2 batteries

[fossil spoke]

oh yeah, the tower too

tbh, it feels like he's harvesting dark dimension for electricity

1.8K power on wuling

[heavy ravine]

Just seems like a waste to consume more bats and spend even more energy on more structures

[fringe summit]

I do this

[fossil spoke]

same

[heavy ravine]

And you're still getting 279.5 stock bills per minute?

[fossil spoke]

well anyway, the battery production line already topped the outpost

yeah

[fringe summit]

I can oscilate 1 battery + 0 base if I remove the towers

[fossil spoke]

u dont need 12 batt / min just to get all that stock bills

[fringe summit]

The trick is to set your battery quota, then chop your O.cube production down to the right amount. Then burn the excess originium lines as 200w per line

I only need to burn 1.59 batteries a min to maintain 2290

[heavy ravine]

Ah, I'm not burning my orignium

I'm stockpiling it to use for the daily depot

But I can probably spare some

[fringe summit]

With 1 perma battery + 2 lines of originium you can sport 2200 withiut oscillation at all

Just use plants for daily depot instead

Those generate from thinair

[heavy ravine]

Yeah that makes more sense

[fringe summit]

Basically 1 line of originium can fund enoigh power for 2 perma jincao/yazhen production lines

That's 1 belt of mats turning into 4 belts

[fossil spoke]

u just need the jincao / yazhen almost fully efficient production (5 / minute) + 8 batt per minute just to get all that hourly stockbills

[fringe summit]

Using raw originium for depot is just inting imo

[fossil spoke]

for daily depot

USE BOMBS

[fringe summit]

Ya

[fossil spoke]

[heavy ravine]

A little extra power for some more zips would be nice

[fringe summit]

No I'm telling you to just place the raw plants into the depot shippings

[fossil spoke]

use bombs

bombs

[inland knoll]

anyone in na/eu server have a zipline here to share? the only part i can reach is unplaceable and i cant find a way to get it closer to the middle

[fringe summit]

No

Bomb costs more energy

Not efficient

[heavy ravine]

I stopped making bombs a long time ago

[latent kestrel]

I can’t get out 😭

How am I supposed to go to valley pass 💀

[fringe summit]

Kek

[heavy ravine]

No real reason to mess with battery limiters in Valley IV right? Other than it's cool

[fringe summit]

I still have like 70k in storage

[heavy ravine]

Output is so much higher than the stock requirements already

[golden stump]

is it me or 18/min not enough to max out the stock bill generation ?

[fringe summit]

[fringe summit]

Of what

[fossil spoke]

did u have 18 for both ?

batt and buckpill

if yes, then its kinda ur problem

[golden stump]

yeah even have canned citrome on the side

[grizzled osprey]

Ngl I would buy 50 and resell for over 4000. It's gonna get +50 purchase limit after price refresh anyway

[fringe summit]

you'll want something along this line

[fossil spoke]

oh, it just need to wait to stabilize

[fossil spoke]

its okay, it will be catching up after some times

just make sure the prod is

[golden stump]

can i have the blueprint for back C

[fossil spoke]

18 18

[fringe summit]

are you on NA

[golden stump]

as

[heavy ravine]

Can't really get any better than this right?

not that you need to I guess

[fringe summit]

ye

that's the cap

[fringe summit]

This is what I did

[grizzled osprey]

where's that long ass originium line going

[fringe summit]

to narnia

[grizzled osprey]

Made me remember The chronicles of Narnia

Peak stuff for how old it is

[fringe summit]

that's 20 originium into crust

[fringe summit]

tfw it's relatively "new" for the garbage I watched

[grizzled osprey]

I'm talking about the books

I didn't watch the movie

Peak books tho

[fringe summit]

oh ye it's pree old if you're talking about book

decently innovative for its time tbh

[regal horizon]

do you guys know when 1.1 coming?

[mint idol]

Why are you not producing 18 + 18 on purple items?

[regal horizon]

theres nothing to do in the factory now

[formal minnow]

my new Wuling power setup

[fringe summit]

when yvonne banner ends

[fringe summit]

? what's 12+6

[grizzled osprey]

Decently? I don't know anything that good around then, well ignore the lord of the rings universe, it's a different type of peak

[regal horizon]

yvonne? so after gilberta, yvonne next banner?

[fringe summit]

true, fantasy is pretty huge around its release tho

[mint idol]

I like when numbers match

[fringe summit]

I like to have everything

[grizzled osprey]

[mint idol]

I mean the best endgame healing items come from farm so IMO it’s pointless

[fringe summit]

idc if it's useful or not

[hallow monolith]

is there any kind of food buff thats worth investing in

[grizzled osprey]

As a wise man once said, just don't get hit

[fringe summit]

also ye I don't use healing items to begin with

[grizzled osprey]

Ginseng

[mint idol]

Fire team has the problem of animations blending with dodge que

[grizzled osprey]

And healing stuff like rice if you want, but ginseng for attack

[analog elbow]

[fringe summit]

this is the reason tho

it just feels right to have a different production in the middle

[grizzled osprey]

[ancient zinc]

Dat red thing disturbs me

[analog elbow]

it's okay. that's my min max battery

[hallow monolith]

which food item do you craft with that

[analog elbow]

i updated it to this

[mint idol]

There’s a lot more space for more production chains? Why limit yourself?

[analog elbow]

Ginseng Soup

[grizzled osprey]

I just got reminded I need that my red thing needs to be set up in valley

[fringe summit]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[grizzled osprey]

Imma go do all valley incursions and artificing rn

[analog elbow]

@hallow monolith You have to set up farms tho

[mint idol]

Bro forgot the sprinklers lol

[analog elbow]

Nah

I'm on Camera Mode

and hide the facilities so my Opeators can work without getting stuck

[hallow monolith]

the one that requires 4 meat to craft?

[analog elbow]

Ginseng + Meat yes

[ancient zinc]

Dude doesn’t know hide Facilities at camera mode

[grizzled osprey]

Wish we could just get meat farms like minecraft

[ancient zinc]

[analog elbow]

There's a shared Turret at Power and i was like what is this thing doing here and it just automatically kills Animals for meat lmao

[ancient zinc]

U can farm fillet at Severe energy

Abandon then restart it

[slate folio]

how do you guys optimize ferrium ore in wuling?

with 90/min you can only put 3 refining units for ferrium. since parts and bottle cost 2 ferrium, which one should I opt for optimal yazhen production

[grizzled osprey]

Which ones? The one with lbs?

[analog elbow]

Well farmers must know or the slaves will just get stuck on sprinklers lol

[unreal marsh]

Anyone with one of those battery cycle blueprint? 🥀 My x power and y power is like only 5 diff
I wake up to see backup power at 5% or sometimes 12%

Or should I just add one more bank

[grizzled osprey]

We metastorage over 25 more ferrium per minute and make both jincao and yazhen

[analog elbow]

you can't min max batteries just by copying with BP

[fringe summit]

2 lines into bottle 2 lines into part, transfer 1.5k ferrium through meta from V4 for 115 (almost 4 belts) an hour

[unreal marsh]

So I can keep my other stuff on too like turrets and zips

[unreal marsh]

Ah

[analog elbow]

It all depends on your Power Usage

[slate folio]

how do you do that again, I unlocked the thing but idk how it works

[slate folio]

ah yes manual labor

[willow tundra]

free meat machine in front of recycling station

[analog elbow]

true