aic-factory

[cedar phoenix]

I mean, even when using as much ziplines as you can, and a lots of useless buildings, you can still make more money than the outposts can generate, so you can't "lose" anything by have like 1 or 2 more thermal banks used

[marsh isle]

Its like 6k power for 6 thermal banks with hc battery

[golden burrow]

he said that if for example if you need 5 thermal banks and you're using 10, that's inefficient

[cedar phoenix]

6.8k even

[marsh isle]

Yea

[uneven atlas]

so min you need for valley is 4 ?

[cinder cloak]

I'm using 5

[golden burrow]

4 is absolute minimum, like no ziplines/towers stuff

you probably want to be using more

[cinder cloak]

got ziplines connected to depots and gatherables

[jovial breach]

each thermal eats 1.5 battery/min

[marsh isle]

Hmm i havent put that many ziplines on valley IV so im not sure how much power do u use with max ziplines/tower

[cinder cloak]

hence why people likes optimizing ziplines too, less ziplines the better

[jovial breach]

ziplines are 5 each

[dense wyvern]

I use 6, but I get enough goods to sell anyways, so there's really no need to force it down to 5.

[cedar phoenix]

kind of..
depend on what you do

but in the end, if you reaaally want to min-max, you can even put batteries at a less frequent rate, so you use batteries only when you are about to run out of energy.

but that's not needed at all

[marsh isle]

When i have the time i'll connect it to every rare gatherables

[cinder cloak]

also I guess it's really true? production is inconsistent when offline lol

that's <2h and I just logged in like about 20 mins ago

wait actually nvm

it got inconsistent after logging in

wtf

[sand pivot]

btw does the mining rig mk2 mine faster than the original mining rig?

[golden burrow]

are you sure that's not bc of wrong setup

[golden burrow]

no

[sand pivot]

got it ty ty

[cedar phoenix]

nope, same speed, so you want as much mk1 as possible

[marsh isle]

U use rig mk 2 for ferrium

[cedar phoenix]

mk2 only when needed

[sand pivot]

yup got it, mk2 only for ferrium (for now)

[marsh isle]

Yeaa

[golden burrow]

also for copium soon

🙏

[cinder cloak]

wait mk1 less energy consumption than mk2?

[golden burrow]

5 less

[cedar phoenix]

yep, 5 energy for mk1, and 10 for mk2

[cinder cloak]

oh sh- brb

[marsh isle]

Cant wait to get more mining spot in wuling so i can expand my factory

Wait i mean increase my production and get more bills

[cosmic stag]

I'm unsure about it so can anyone tell me if this setup matches what D.I.G.E is telling me to do?

[drifting sparrow]

did anyone else's originium yield/output in valley iv suddenly change? mine went from 560/550 to 560/570, I didn't even touch anything

[cinder cloak]

meta transfer?

[cedar phoenix]

maybe it is because you gain a prosperity level ?

not prosperity, development level

[drifting sparrow]

what's meta transfer? the only thing that changed is that I went to wuling,but I don't have the factory there yet

[jovial breach]

show aic reports

[cedar phoenix]

you unlock it at development level 12 of Valley (for Valley only)
it's in this category

[drifting sparrow]

it was maxxed out(12) already for a few days, the change just happened today

[cedar phoenix]

weird..
maybe you had disconnected some miner, and reconnected it now

[nova lodge]

the only explanation for it is due to the facility setup and nothing else really.
regional transfer changes WILL NOT be reflected in the AIC reports.

[fair widget]

Is anyone having issues with creating a belt splitter? I've unlocked it in research and I've done the simulation and I'm close to the end of the game but I can't construct it in the Main AIC and the Sub AIC's.

[cinder cloak]

damn went down to only 5.09k energy usage

[mellow iris]

this is all i am making + all prequisites (altough they all get eaten up to make said products)

what more should i build i got the last sub pac completely empty

[nova lodge]

in AIC mode, press Z
or
in AIC mode, press caps lock, go to logistics tab.

[cedar phoenix]

they are in the "logistics" category in AIC mode

[uneven atlas]

do i need to like upgrade my mining rigs or anything or do i just leave them there

[drifting sparrow]

nah ts bugged asf, it was 560/550 for the whole time once I was done with the factory setup, I even checked if there were depot unloaders/AIC outputs that had originum ore selected.

[nova lodge]

560/550 in current data or theoritical data?

[glossy nymph]

https://youtube.com/shorts/4YHylI5JP1I

[drifting sparrow]

theoretical, current is stable 540/540, the originium depot looks stable though so it's most likely a visual bug but will keep an eye on it

[uneven atlas]

?

[nova lodge]

great, good to know its been resolved.

[runic epoch]

If it's for originium and amethyst you can just leave those as is (assuming you're using mk1)

[uneven atlas]

yeah using mk2 wont change efficiency right

[runic epoch]

Nope

Only use those for ferrium

[uneven atlas]

i dont know if like my relay tower placement or good or not

and like if my pylon placement are correct

[nova lodge]

i know there are some bugs surrounding server latency and such though.
(like sandleaf usage suddenly go past the normal usage on occasions or xiranite usage producing more than theoritically possible).

but theoritical data should remain consistent.

[uneven atlas]

there are like the relay tower and pylon tower upgrade but what uses do those even have

[warped idol]

Yo how much one plant farm can hold line?
Like can one infinite buck flower handle 2 line of buck flower?

Before its run out

[nova lodge]

very good, provides options to extend wiring lines / provides a small electricity field around it.
allows for more creative placement options.

[warped idol]

Im making one buck capsule A machine but idk how much buck fram i need
Is it 1 enought for it or more?

[nova lodge]

depends on what you are producing tbh.....if its buckflower meds, 1 plant = 2 med powder.
best setup is 2 planter : 1 seeder ratio.

[nova lodge]

filling machines consumes at a rate of 60 condensed meds for 100% efficiency (Capsule A), so you will need 2 fully build farms for that.

which means their dedicated sandleafs, grinders, and planters + seeders sets of 2.

[warped idol]

Oh just 2?

Shi im using 4

[warped idol]

Aight thank

[nova lodge]

then you can proceed to produce perhaps another 6 more meds if you have the bottles to spare.
make it 12 buck capsule A is good too.

[warped idol]

6/min capsule A for 1 sub pac is good right?

[digital oasis]

3/4 Valley 4 Factories succesfully running off of belts and "optomized"

[nova lodge]

for additonal context:
relay tower upgrades: add a small field around the tower that can power buildings.
electrictiy pylons: provides it with the option of having 30 meter cable that can be used to connect to other pylons or relays.

these upgrades carry forward towards xiranite towers as well.

so they are a must have upgrades (you will be getting all the techtree nodes anyway).

[modest bluff]

Brother out here building trailer-accurate factories

[nova lodge]

depends on how you go about it, but good as well.
personally i just use my sub pac mostly for battery production.

[warped idol]

Shi nvm im making 4/min

[nova lodge]

remember to put 2 belts of steel bottle and 2 belts of condensed bucks into the filling unit

i just place most of my planting needs back at my AIC base, since the corner is so darn huge.

[mellow iris]

guys is it worth doing elastic goods? is it a chore or is it easy to do

[dense wyvern]

Easy

Easy money

[mellow iris]

like if its to big of a drag and takes to much time etc i aint doing it

[dense wyvern]

Just buy and wait till you find a good price to sell it.

[nova lodge]

chore? kind of.
necessary - Big yes.

just do it a few days and you can unlock all the upgrades for nearly everything in the region.

[weak mural]

if i power this, will it activate the unactivated pillar in first part of game? or is it prop only

[nova lodge]

just follow the instructions....

[mellow iris]

bought 200k worth of 3 stuff wish me luck

[nova lodge]

trade it with people in your friend list, the value is higher
always seeks out the ones that is the cheapest goods with the high VS local value....

[fair widget]

@cedar phoenix ahh ok got it! Why is it only available in that top down mode a d not in the walking around mode within the AIC. That's wierd

[weak mural]

this building isnt in the instructions

[willow tundra]

You can min max by comparing every single products delta or just buy the cheapest stuff and dump it to your friend, takes all about 2 mins

[dense wyvern]

Buy low sell high.

[willow tundra]

Either way ez money

[mellow iris]

can you be my friend

[mellow iris]

the ones i bought where dropped in value

[nova lodge]

well walking around does comes with shortcut mode so.....

[cedar phoenix]

you can also find them in the facility list

[nova lodge]

i recommend adding random people in the add friend list tab. (just max out your friend list)
and are you in asia?

[nova lodge]

....you skipped the dialouge i guess....
its been a while, but if i am right, just connect the relay cable towards the building.

[mellow iris]

eu

[nova lodge]

welp, impossible for me to add you ;v.

anyway, yeah, just add random people untill the list goes max.

[mellow iris]

oh okay thanks how do i dump to my friends tho

[nova lodge]

choose a product, i believe there is a compare with friends button in the menu

see who is the highest for the product, and if its good, press the friends profile icon and select visit friend ship.

[nova cradle]

All this space for a steel bottle factory...

[nova lodge]

that is why people don't bother with putting sandleaf buildings right into the setup.....
anyway, i recommend optimizing it, shorten belt length, etc.
that way it can be used in sub pac areas as well.

[trail mirage]

make it long since its on a sub, you can use half the amount of space your using for deports

[inner parcel]

hey guys, is this efficient enough for xiranite?

(as in am i giving it enough carbon?)

[somber snow]

yes, that is 100% efficient

[nova lodge]

please tell me you are using wulling plants for carbon....
and secondly, add another belt from shreeder, recipe needs 2 dust for 1 dense carbon brick as i recall

check if your forge is producing xiranite at 30 units per skyforge.

[somber snow]

actually i dont remember what mine looks like,
im gonna take a look, cuz i forget

[inner parcel]

its producing 15 per skyforge 😭 im gonna go fix it up

[jovial breach]

damn mods are fast

[bitter moat]

how do i increase forge of the sky limit

[jovial breach]

aic skill tree

[somber snow]

mine is messy, im also wasting 1 belt of crushed sandleaf, but this should be efficient

[nova lodge]

as long as it gives you the result you need, then its fine.
but later, you will need to rebuild your xiranite production using wulling plants.
since its more space, and energy efficient.
(1 wulling seed = 2 plants.)

[somber snow]

huh, nvr knew that

i have enough energy and stockbills anyways,
if i need space, ill change it

[nova lodge]

also:

yeah....very energy efficient :3

[tawny shadow]

but the pipes...

[nova lodge]

just place it at the edge ;v

[somber snow]

the pipes arent a problem,
i have like 5 extra fluid pumps at the PAC and sub PAC that are unused

only needs 1 extra pipe, since 1 yazhen and supply 2 grinding units

[weak mural]

nono i mean im done with story, im going back to start area, but i cant connect it to this building, is this building a prop i mean or I can power it

[sly arch]

@edgy juniper

Peak battery production

[sly arch]

I can actually make it to 36 per min but it'll be unsustainable to the point I'd have to be active to manage everything

[tawny shadow]

mine is already at the other end of the map
so putting pipes is kinda a pain lol
but yea prolly will change those 2 buckflowers to 1 yazhen / jincao (I forgot which one give 2 carbons)

[inner parcel]

oh yeah i am using jincao

[nova lodge]

now that i look at it carefully.....yeah, does look like a prop, sorry.
try using scan.
if it doesn't like up in blue, its a non-interacteble object.

[sly arch]

I haven't optimized mine yet, It's still mostly conveyors, Once I find the time for it, My theoretical output should reach 72 per min

Which can only be active for like, 20 minutes before running out of fuel

[jovial breach]

so this is what happen when people have too much free time

[nova cradle]

People always bother here to put a sandleaf building in their set ups tho so which way western man

[nova lodge]

definitely not for me.
not for all buildings anyway.
and steel productions happens to be 1 of them.

but hey, if they get the desired output, then its fine i guess.

[surreal jay]

why do I lowkey have infinite sandleafs

like ts is genuinely bottomless

[nova lodge]

well....plant related products can be self looped so....

[nova cradle]

I thunk so too cuz we output three sandleaves anyway ans the facilities for sandleaf building is so huge better to just place it elsewhere and have sand leaf powder into a protocol stash

[cinder cloak]

they both do

[nova cradle]

I always get

[surreal jay]

my aic report genuinely tweaking tho

[nova cradle]

I always get Mixed opinions when it comes to sandleaf powder outputting

[nova lodge]

ignore the theoritical values, just make sure your current amount is working fine.
and remember to add some buffer produciton just in case.
yield > usage.

[surreal jay]

lets just say I should be running out of sandleafs in like an hour according to it yet no matter how much I increase the usage its always maxed 😭

[nova cradle]

Not enough belts

I dunno where but you dont have enough belts

[nova lodge]

the moment you do 2 planter, 1 seeder -> protocol stash, the aic report gonna go out of whack

very normal really.

[long zenith]

managed to access the shattered fringe mineral bed without clearing the blight
was i not supposed to

[willow tundra]

Let’s just say talos ii will be completely buried by sandleaf dust at this rate

[cinder cloak]

isn't that spot accessible just by jumping off the cliff edge?

[willow tundra]

Yes you can bomb through the gap and clear the blight

[long zenith]

entire area of shattered fringe is walkable with fully accurate collisions and stuff
wonder if its supposed to be an actual area at some point but got cut

[surreal jay]

genuinely what am I supposed to do if I max out valley IV originium and amethyst production while still having a ton of space to fill tho? There aint enough mines

[cinder cloak]

it's a section of ||Gilberta's companion quest||

[long zenith]

have no idea
havent touched any companion quest at all

[willow tundra]

Pretty up your production line or put 500 pylons there, it’s your factory and you have free will

[mellow iris]

what should i produce in my new sub pac any ideas

[long zenith]

how do i clear the blight anyway

[cinder cloak]

thru the companion quest too

[mellow iris]

im rdl 10 and going to do wolfgards sidequest tomorrow to unlock more ferrium ore

[surreal jay]

ts unbelievably empty for me to be having maxed out valley 4 amethyst and originium production tho

I MIGHT still have a bit of originium mines but amethyst is 100% maxed

[mellow iris]

its the power plateu sub pac

[cedar bay]

This is a fairly effective usage of resources in Valley 4 right?

[long zenith]

dang

[glacial bridge]

Chat whats the best thing to farm for outpost trading in wuling ? batteries or seringe ?

[nova lodge]

both, due to resource constraints
(they both uses different resources anyway).

[long zenith]

you can do some really disgusting things with tp cables

[mellow iris]

i dont get it

[glacial bridge]

kk and whats the maximux xiranite output we have rn ?

[cinder cloak]

60/min

[nova lodge]

2 forge of the skies = 60 xiranite

[long zenith]

you pull a relay cable, tp to a point, and you will still be pulling the cable
cable line will run from your previous position directly to your tp location
so you can skip walls and stuff

[cinder cloak]

12/min Wuling Batts + 6/min Yazhen/Jincao [C] is enough to zero out the outpost for me

[long zenith]

you can do crazy stuff like this too

[mortal plinth]

The factory......MUST GROW.

[mortal plinth]

How the heck-

[mortal plinth]

https://klipy.com/gifs/13-kart-8

[mellow iris]

pls help me what do i do

[jovial breach]

More battery, but your ore yield are not enough, you need more ferrium

[mellow iris]

ik 😭 what kind of battery tho hc? sc?

[nova lodge]

if everything in V4 is done, then HC

[jovial breach]

Hc ofc

Also stop making cryston component @mellow iris

[golden sapphire]

cryston is going to be meta in region 3 trust

anyways yes pls don't make them

[mortal plinth]

no reason not to if he didnt go to wuling yet. but yeah 6k already enough...

[golden sapphire]

funny that cryston is used for like 2 things then gets immediately replaced

[mortal plinth]

i made some myself cuz why not.

[golden sapphire]

it's so optional it's crazy

[mortal plinth]

[glossy nymph]

They are tasty... <:3

[mortal plinth]

well same thing can be said about amethyst and ferrium ones technically...

[nova lodge]

me having 80k cryston component.

[golden sapphire]

ferrium is peak wdym

and amethyst

you need those two components at least to build your factory

but cryston is useless

[mortal plinth]

No you don't, you need parts 🥲

Not same thing

[waxen linden]

Does anyone in asia have this zipline because I cannot for the life of me get up the tree that allows placement on the roof

[golden sapphire]

oh we are talking about components

skip

completely

[mortal plinth]

Yes, the stuff for making gear.

[willow tundra]

Small jumps

[mortal plinth]

Tbh they have another use being sending them using depot lmao.

[willow tundra]

Last jump on the side branch not the main trunk

[waxen linden]

I have skill issue I've spent half an hour on that spot

[naive bay]

Is having this many belts feeding into one building a good idea? Each belts from a different stabilized carbon source.

I think I posted in the wrong channel, my apologies

[nova lodge]

its not gonna boost your production...

[willow tundra]

Couldn’t help since I’m en, but once you are on the branch just use alt for placement and don’t need to try to jump place

[mortal plinth]

No, this is the AIC channel, you're in the right place

[waxen linden]

Yea uh that's another problem because I'm on mobile lmao

It's usually doable if I'm on a not tiny surface

[naive bay]

Oddly enough it has, I was under-producingng carbon for my forge of the sky. So now my xiranite forge is always producing now(I'm that bad at setting up my factory rn)

[mortal plinth]

I hate it when placing a zip line pushes me off a cliff.

I managed to get softlocked that way

[nova lodge]

2 lines at 100% production = 30 xiranite forge.
more isn't really necessary really.

but hey, its still early wulling update, feel free to keep those lines :3

[mortal plinth]

Endlessly falling down a cliff , dying repeatedly until game thankfully noticed and put me back to a TP

[willow tundra]

Always pylon first 👍

People keep fucking up their zipline and not put down power first is probably why HG keeps patching this part of the game

[thorn bluff]

what exactly is the regional limit here lol im in wuling alr

[runic epoch]

2 forges of the sky

[jovial breach]

Delete your other forge

[true nebula]

There's a placement limit on the depot core and 2 forges of sky

[naive bay]

You can only have two xiranite stacks atm(starts with only 1 until you get the proper aic upgrade)

[thorn bluff]

wait i think i need to nuke mine thats alr therer

ty guys

[long zenith]

thought i was crazy for making 5k cryston component

[ancient zinc]

Imagine having 70k+

[nova lodge]

ehe

[long zenith]

cant even sell that shit
doing it for the love of the game

[fading pulsar]

Hey guys, how are you? I wanted to ask if anyone has a blueprint for a good factory. I have one, but it works really badly.

[long zenith]

wait until the 400th endfield operator releases
lets see who laughs last

[brisk frigate]

how much originium ore i need for 18 buck capsule A and 18 HC valley battery?

[nova lodge]

should be 540 originum ore for HC battery.

[brisk frigate]

i think i mess up something, i use 570 originium atm

my ore running low

[elder flame]

Hmm

[nova lodge]

yeah, do check what is eating up your ores.

[willow tundra]

Took AK 6 years to get about 400 operators, maybe 10 yrs for endfield lol

[nova lodge]

don't mind my battery consumption, i just leave my turrets permanently on ;v

[tough scarab]

not sure that justifies burning that many batteries regardless

[nova lodge]

a bit lazy, but no worries, getting there with clearing out the store.
not sure how turret sharing works as well, i presume it needs to be on to be shared on other player areas.

[long zenith]

wait i completely forgot turrets eats power lmao

no wonder ive been getting blackouts

if i turn off turrets
do they still get shared?

[willow tundra]

You can shove batteries in them and not connect to the grid

[long zenith]

yeah that exists

[real marsh]

Yo any critique on my xiranite production?

dw about power

:#

i kinda got to exited and started making this

[inland knoll]

finally ive found a use for the depot loader 🙏 it might be worse at its job than the protocol stash but since it doesnt take power it can make pulse width modulation easier to calculate

[bitter moat]

is it possible to have 3 forge of the sky

[mortal plinth]

so little amethyst components 💔

[real marsh]

Not at the moment maximum is 2

pog got sanity to burn

[scenic comet]

540 orig, 1080 ferrium

[scenic comet]

no

[real marsh]

Folded rate my creation :)

[scenic comet]

https://tenor.com/h7UJ32FjsHw.gif

skinny boy

[real marsh]

Im proud of my compact as hell design :)

[mortal plinth]

yeh, my critique is, how do you even plan all that shiiiiii

[real marsh]

Wel uuuh

:)

[mortal plinth]

its all self contained? no need for any other materials???

[real marsh]

Selfcontained

just needs water

[mortal plinth]

ah then nvm

thats easyyy

[fluid crest]

hello is there any blueprints to transition into a endgame one, one where it would craft everything i need to transition into a endgame valley 4 design

[mortal plinth]

[real marsh]

also for if you dint know yet

Wuling plants get 2 plants per seed

[mortal plinth]

looks outside .....rain.....water

[real marsh]

[mortal plinth]

unfair 💔

valley 4 about to sue-

[real marsh]

hey it saved me 2 planters hence i could fit this in a unupgraded Wuling AIC

and also the planning is just my smooth brain starting it of in a corner and trying to figure out how to make is as compact as possible

[mortal plinth]

how many hours

xD

[real marsh]

oh this

~30 min

maybe

[mortal plinth]

???

[winged cedar]

Unlocked the full space in Wulling gonna redo my whole factory

[mortal plinth]

Bro is capping or built stuff like this beforee

[real marsh]

im a factorio player brotha

This aint new to me

[mortal plinth]

xD

Im new, took me a few hours to make my first efficient production line

[real marsh]

But it was enjoyable no?

[mortal plinth]

just a HC battery production

[mortal plinth]

yeh

[real marsh]

Hey thats prety dam good

[mortal plinth]

thanks thanks. but if i had to stack waterpipes on top i'd screw up i bet

[real marsh]

Wel depends

if you keep spaces available for you to split water mains and run them trough machinery like you have here there wont me much of a problem

[mortal plinth]

at least you only need 2 for that line

[real marsh]

Also imo put the HC batts into storage, you can use them for valley stock bills

and pull them from storage into a thermal battery :)

[digital oasis]

All open space in the valley has been conquered by the belt. Wuling may fall victim next after i get the last few scraps for Gilberta idk

[crystal tulip]

is there a way to delay sending item transport

[mortal plinth]

they are going to storage ( i did remove 2 of the thermal banks, this is an older image

[real marsh]

Elaborate

[mortal plinth]

you can make items move through a bunch of loops

[real marsh]

I like your HC valley production, let me show you mine :)

[frail shale]

are you the SOLE reason we have a limit to how many things we can place in a factory?

[real marsh]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1461541796977967289/1470760349002371334/image.png?ex=698dc950&is=698c77d0&hm=83bc9cfdecd5e8c43aa6d62461152570036a25852974a6d4ea7987bf074e279d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

This is mine

[digital oasis]

not yet

[real marsh]

Onlything im unhappy about is the refined ferrium input

[crystal tulip]

refining takes 30 originium/sec right? I only want it to use 20 so I dont run out

[mortal plinth]

thx, to be fair after i did this, it didnt take me nearly as long to make a citrone A line and a cryston component line (yeah i made one, cause i can)

i prefer citrone over buckpill xD

Ik it doesnt sell in as many places but oh well.

[real marsh]

Im unsure if its possible for us to control how much per second comes out

[crystal tulip]

aw

[frail shale]

spliter, 2 into the refiner, other back into storage or pre splitter belt

[real marsh]

also its 30/min not per sec <3

Oh yhea robert is right

splitter splits it equaly 3 ways

[crystal tulip]

oh yeah /min mb

[real marsh]

Robert you big brained induvidual!

[crystal tulip]

thanks

[mortal plinth]

maybe can work with same technique used for delaying batteries going to thermal bank....but that'd take a lot of space x.x

oh right, robert smart.

kind of a silly problem to have lol

[real marsh]

wel its what Endmin AiA wants :)

[frail shale]

it's not a silly problem, valley for gives you 1/3rd short of a full belt at the end, so if you want everything else running full belts you gotta make due

[mortal plinth]

doesnt it just depend what exactly you make?

[north moth]

Factory is growing nicely. https://youtu.be/74XKbTFcEMQ?si=hkiS3LvZTaYdnWwv

[real marsh]

YES ! *sry wrong chat but i got the essence i need for endmin

[zealous perch]

Is there a point where one should stop making cryston components

[real marsh]

wait

damit

it needed tobe agility :(

[mortal plinth]

i think something is wrong with my pipe

[zealous perch]

Rip back to the grind

[scenic comet]

looks fine to me

[north moth]

idk seems fine to me. Try tapping it a bit.

[mortal plinth]

NO I KNOW WHATS WRONG....

the liquid...

its not red

with the blood of Endfields enemies

[frail shale]

is that snake from hit mobile game snake for the brick unbreakable nokia phone?

[winged cedar]

Wait am I bugging or can you build plantation units outside of the aic areas

[frail shale]

things lose their belt ports outside the area

[winged cedar]

Oh okay

[nocturne marsh]

i might just be the best gamer in this game

[north moth]

.sigma

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-lowlight-lowlight-sigma-hai-mao-sigma-hai-sigma-gif-9081627343844428954

[digital vessel]

what is the orginium max for valley IV, cause I am sitting at 500/min rn and I am 40 short.

nvm

[fervent stratus]

Would Buck B be better for stock than Buck A with all node unlocked?

[nocturne marsh]

Nah

you can make quite alot

[fervent stratus]

I mean since Buck A take a lot of resources and spaces (Buck B need a fraction of the Ferrium and don't need Sandleaf)

[nocturne marsh]

true but get a good blueprint and youll do just fine

[frail shale]

but making the spaghetti is half the fun ( having seen actual spaghetti some people made, this statement is type of maybe_bool)

[ionic olive]

Just make five hundred sandleaf production lines

Maybe you need more stuff but you can just build auto farm for steel bottles in one aic

But serliously with one auto farm

You can make alot of sandleaf

[north moth]

Unless you have some other use for those resources, Buck A is the best option, less space use, more sell value.

[fervent stratus]

Let's see:

• Buck B need more Ferrium to keep up with Buck A...
• Buck A need more resources and spaces....
  Yeah, the limited Ferrium kinda make Buck A the better option

[fervent stratus]

How are you stocking up that MUCH BUCK A???

[nocturne marsh]

The factory must snow

yield of doom and despair

[north moth]

At max level there is a lot of production even after trading to 0 stocks.

[frail shale]

you can produce 18/min of healing grade a and 18/min of purple batteries if you want to min max valley 4, which leaves you with leftovers after feeding the outposts with not food

[north moth]

Also 24/min buck C as extra.

[frail shale]

damn, i've been wasting the potential of all that amethyst
i've just been making the outpost buy a unreasonable amount of amethyst bottles, empty bottles, so many bottles

[ionic olive]

Why you need this many heals bro

[frail shale]

we wonder too

[ionic olive]

Like by now you are definally 20m rich

[nocturne marsh]

easily

[north moth]

I mean its same value, its just bottles max out depot in like 11 hours.

[nocturne marsh]

[frail shale]

if only, those dajing decorations so expensive yet no one walks far enough to see them
[not endfield]|| hope they rework the decos to be like warframe orbiters ||

[ionic olive]

I wish we get a real motor tho

I just spend my money one getting more gifts for my opeeators

And money

[shrewd knoll]

They are pretty much irrelevant, Buck A cost 665 Power to produce a single production line, Buck B Cost 120 and 240 if you calculate the same amount of ferrium, the power difference is 1 SC battery (420) worth meaning 70 to 54 in terms of value and adding in the SC battery which would be 30, or 45 value per minute. Buck B production would be more cost effective but less depot effective

[teal hemlock]

FINALLY figured out the modulating thing, it was pretty fun :)

[ionic olive]

Tbh i could create like 3 more buck A machines bc of how many of the powder i have and steel bottles

[nocturne marsh]

modulating?

[fossil mirage]

trying to build out a dige setup - is this correct or can i make this smaller? mainly trying to understand the comment "Splitters need at least one belt tile as a buffer. Do not place a merger directly adjacent to a splitter!"

[ionic olive]

Splitters suck

[teal hemlock]

pulse width modulation, or basically turning thermal banks on/off to save power/batteries

[sand pivot]

has anyone completed the belt integration simulation? I stg I don't understand how to do it lmao

[nocturne marsh]

oh i see

[ionic olive]

I skipped i think

But what the big problem just connect

[fervent stratus]

Steel aren't getting used fast enough lol

[frigid shuttle]

Anyone have a better plant farm setup? This one is 33x6 (34x7 if you want both outputs on the same side) and produces 1u/s. I've tried a bunch of setups and this is the best one I've found but I'm not used to working with such hilariously low belt throughput so I'm sure there's some kind of tech I'm missing
I just realized you can flip one half if you need same side outputs and it makes it a bit neater but still 34x7.

[shrewd knoll]

farm setup are just kinda interchangable for whatever since you may want to insert the farm somewhere easier in the production line rather than placing them outside

there's no best setup for them unless its just a farm

[frigid shuttle]

I see

[north moth]

something might be lagging behind. Check factories that use steel and check if other items on that factory are getting in at right speed.

[fervent stratus]

It's the batteries. They don't have enough Originium so Steel Parts aren't getting used fast enough.

[scenic comet]

i am a fan of ms paint

[rough crow]

what does this number 11 is telling?

[keen comet]

how much unit per min?

[shrewd knoll]

those are the pity "likes" you get when placing a structure

[fervent stratus]

So I should redirect some steel to Steel Bottles

[frigid shuttle]

Very neat, same side outputs could push it to 8 wide though. Definitely better than my setup for 0.5u/s

[north moth]

did you build your own setup or using a blueprint?

[fervent stratus]

I built them from scratch, yes

Just need to add more Bottles I think

[north moth]

Cant tell you whats missing where then without taking a look, here is my usage for example.

right now all the steel is being convered to bottles.

[keen comet]

btw is it better to separate plant/seed picker to build Buck Caps A or just include them in the actual plant? because i use valley pass base as sandleaf and buckflower seed picker and their powder

[fervent stratus]

ROFL that is what I get for moving the entire section

[shrewd knoll]

just build them in, buck A is a massive complex already

[sand pivot]

this thing srsly gives me a headache 😭 it feels like I am playing minecraft with create lmao

[keen comet]

how many seed pick should i use to get at least 15/min?

[shrewd knoll]

Even if you use the unloaders to move them easier, still include them inside the actual blueprint

[shrewd knoll]

they use 2 sets of farms for sandleaf and buck, thats 4 seed pickers and 8 planters

[keen comet]

so the direct sandleaf powder from unloader and the seed picker in same plantation? because i have a lot of sandleaf powder stocks

[shrewd knoll]

thats for a single 6 production

so 15 would be around 10 seed pickers and 20 planters

[keen comet]

i see okay

[shrewd knoll]

but most people do one block and then just dupe it 2 other times

[keen comet]

okay imma try it

[frail shale]

don't unload powder, unload what makes the powder, as the plants tend to turn to 2 or 3 belts once they go out of a shredder

[ancient zinc]

@shrewd knoll Unrelated question

[distant ibex]

Isn't it best to just make buck capusle [A] for trading and spend amethyst for worse batteries for power?

[ancient zinc]

How to unlock perma image once u got 10k points?

[fervent stratus]

Those worse batteries is eating your Originium for HC Batteries

Also, Buck A take a LOT of space

[wispy trail]

When you need just a little bit of energy and dont want to waste a whole battery

[distant ibex]

Do you know what'ss the best use of resources? to make most money?

[frail shale]

i like how to power the factory we make batteries
but them shove them into thermal generators

so we're fuelling out power grid by:
batteries (chem reaction) -> heat -> turbine-> electricity again

we are creating global warming on talos 2 for the sake of it
(if you tell me the rock is actually radioactive ama color it green and turn into a rat for unrelated reasons)

[real marsh]

i realy should min max valley 4 at some point xd

[north moth]

Currently best you can do is 18 HC battery 18 Buck A, 24 Buck C. If you want even more min max, 18.67 HC and 17.67 Buck A for like 3 extra stock bills/min.

[inland knoll]

would it be correct to say that fulfilling 80% of your theoretical ore usage would have any products of that ore produced 20% slower or is there smth obvious im glossing over

[distant ibex]

Thanks

[inner jay]

Oh I didnt know an english factory channel existed, only saw the korean one until I checked channels & roles

[shrewd knoll]

whats perma images

[fervent stratus]

Yeah, I should probably redo my Valley IV again during weekends (It's kinda hard to tell what is going on right now)

[inner jay]

guess I can ask here too then but has anyone managed to fit 2 buck A in a subpac? I tried and best I could do was 1 buck A + 2 steel bottle

[willow depot]

Shoutout to people who place turrets on zipline spots, aggroing enemies

Please stop doing that

[shrewd knoll]

they cant hit you can they? if you are still attached to the zipline

[fervent stratus]

A full Buck A setup take like 1/3 or 1/4 of main PAC so....

[willow depot]

Nope, but you can't attach to zipline if that's your starting tower

[fervent stratus]

But you also can't go on the zipline in the first place

[shrewd knoll]

i guess so, but all my starting zipline are next to TP lol

[placid cobalt]

how do i unlock depot nodes in Wuling?

[fervent stratus]

It's a big problem when they put turret near the closest spawn to a depot

[fervent stratus]

There is only 1 and it's in Wuling City

[shrewd knoll]

and theres no way for you to really reattach in the middle since they are all in unreachable places, or at least requires some parkour

[north moth]

I have not tried that but heres is a full valley 4 setup with just 1 subpac use. https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1470642973594226864

[placid cobalt]

ty

[cedar phoenix]

you can manage to fit 3 Buck A setup + 2 HC Batteries in your main PAC (it's hard.. but doable : #1466662291377487966 message)
so there is some room

I've done 3 setup of HC batteries + 2 setup of Bucks A, which is a bit easier

Batteries need more ports, but take less space to do

[north moth]

yeah thats what the other blueprint I linked is doing.

[sand pivot]

could you technically not have all the base material processing on your outposts (sending into the depot) and then just have the actual processed products production machines in the main one?

[cedar phoenix]

you can yeah
as long as it's in the same region (Valley/Wuling)

[inner jay]

oh interesting this guy took the reverse approach as what I was doing lol
I was trying to shove everything into subpacs and have main be basically empty lmao

[sand pivot]

I think that's what I might do to my production, for separation of concerns

I feel like having everything in the same AIC would be a pain in the arse

[fervent stratus]

I put grinder stuffs like Steel in Main

[cedar phoenix]

it's not very practical yeah
but it's a fun challenge to try and fit everything you can in it

[sand pivot]

I'm a perfectionist with ADHD though, to me it's not fun whatsoever, it's just painful

don't even get me started on the AIC not being in the center of the zone (once you expand) 😭

[cedar phoenix]

the fact that it's not even while the majority of other building are..

[tough scarab]

Really just a matter of preference, I find it way easier going straight from ore to product for organization

[inner jay]

you might like trying to make symmetrical layouts... until you realize AIC is 9x9 so it wont actually be centered 🤣

[sand pivot]

this is what I have rn, took me like 3h to arrange it in a way where my sub-conscious would not consume me

[fervent stratus]

Imma do this bandaid solution for now... (Maybe turn on the 2nd Stash as well so if storage isn't full, it go to Moulder)

[sand pivot]

and I don't like it as it is btw, it's just I don't have the third expansion yet so I can't really arrange them properly

[north moth]

depot not in middle I call landmine upon you.

.landmine3

[cinder sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1322184193320423586/1467961099654791410/lolll.gif?ex=6982f18f&is=6981a00f&hm=89ac2de006f6b1b6e65ec6bf9601939928e2ff245efcfcdf67cc8e0d20311698&

[sand pivot]

😭

[cedar phoenix]

Mine look like this
a lot of buildings everywhere, and not much room for ports anymore (I can fit like 2 more..)

[sand pivot]

I hate it man

I wish they let us move the depot

[sand pivot]

HOLY

LMFAOOO

you step in there and you get lost 😭

[north moth]

you can.

[cedar phoenix]

I mean.. If I go back at it in like a month, I can see me getting lost in it yeah

[tough scarab]

Are you really factory gaming if you aren’t getting lost in the production lines

[sand pivot]

how??

please I am begging you

[distant ibex]

I don't know what blue yield means

[sand pivot]

this takes me back to building my base in minecraft with mekanism

[cedar phoenix]

it means your current yield

[sand pivot]

so many machines you couldn't even enter the room

[tough scarab]

Blue means actual yield, the amount entering your depot per minute that is being measured

[distant ibex]

Are you kidding me?

[fervent stratus]

Current Yield versus Maximum Yield

[sand pivot]

omg you're a life savior I'll go fix that as soon as I finish the 300 sims

[cedar phoenix]

well.. no
and the grey one is the theoretical maximum, if you use enough materials to need it

[cinder sun]

.tsumino.: You currently have 270 points.

[ancient zinc]

Hmm

[fast cliff]

thats not the depot tho, thats the pac

[north moth]

you want to move the depot bus?

[cedar phoenix]

and for the usage, the yellow one is your current usage, and the red one is the theoretical maximum if every building you have produce at maximum capacity

[frail shale]

the blue one is lower than you max cause your storage is full, so it is the same as your usage

[wicked rune]

is my yield actually 1080 or 680?

[tough scarab]

When I’m playing modded minecraft I play with the create mod, my machines become these massive belt monstrosities that are impossible to navigate

[ancient zinc]

[sand pivot]

I hate create because of that, like create is aesthetically ugly and it triggers my OCD

[frail shale]

your yield can be up to 1080, but because storage is full it is only as high as your ussage

[sand pivot]

I prefer mekanism, you can just hide everything

[cedar phoenix]

680, because you are already full and don't use more
but you can go up to 1080 if needed

[azure minnow]

how do i delete water?

[tough scarab]

Your mines are producing 1080, but your machines aren’t using enough ore so it gets backed up and lowers to 680

[wicked rune]

i see,ty

[azure minnow]

i need to delete the water

[sand pivot]

doesn't it go away if you just stash it and place it back again?

[fast cliff]

I just piped it over to another body of water and let it drain while exploring

[azure minnow]

but theres too much water

[cedar phoenix]

what do you mean by "delete water" ?
you want to remove the building that contains water ? or you want to remove the water from the "pool" beside it ?

[north moth]

takes about 5 hours. let it run.

[tough scarab]

There’s a nearby lake you can dump it into

[fast cliff]

^

[ancient zinc]

Just connect the pipe to river next to that area where u can dump it

Near to TP point

[cedar phoenix]

here

[azure minnow]

do i have to wait that long

[ancient zinc]

I saw people take it farther for maximum experience

[tough scarab]

You could set up more pumps

[azure minnow]

does it work when im offline?

[cedar phoenix]

yep

[ancient zinc]

Yes..as long ur pumping unit has electricity/power

[fast cliff]

I just had it running while collecting chests and aurylene

[ancient zinc]

Pumping water experience

[fast cliff]

man I see everyone else's factories being completely packed and then mine just looks like this

[cedar phoenix]

mine is packed because I tried to pack it as much as I could
that allow me to have a fully empty outpost

[ancient zinc]

I can guess u skip mostly basic ores units

[fast cliff]

I mean I could use a bit more amethyst but the other 2 are basically done

[ancient zinc]

I can see depot unloader dispensing star steel

[shrewd knoll]

I just dont like how they limit the blueprint to 50x dimensions

i wanted like a 20x70 setup

[fast cliff]

oh yeah the valley and science park are both steel factories

[inner jay]

btw posted in the thread you linked too but this is what i ended up with for this

[cedar phoenix]

mine consume literally every resources we have

even tho I don't make more money than you because we are limited by the rate at which the outposts gain money

[brisk jetty]

Pollute the water

[azure minnow]

how

[fast cliff]

tbh my ametheyst usage rn is just producing explosives because why not

[ancient zinc]

Is dat Yanzhe solution?

[brisk jetty]

Be 0 sanity and bored

[cedar phoenix]

remove the water, create "polluted" water and fill the pond with "polluted" water

[teal hemlock]

I like seeing how everyone's pac is so different

[fast cliff]

tbf its one of the main reasons why I decided to build my factory without looking up blueprints from other people

[warm epoch]

what does this mean, whats the limited facility

[inner jay]

building it is the fun part yea

[cedar phoenix]

Probably the Forge of the sky

[brisk jetty]

One forge of the sky max, two of aic research

[teal hemlock]

if you like tinkering with factory and design stuff, it is totally worth it doing things yourself, I actually got most enjoyment from the factory in this game haha

[tough scarab]

You need to delete any forge of the sky you already have placed down

[fast cliff]

this is my first factory game so I wanted to actually try building things from scratch and I can see why people enjoy it so much

[cedar phoenix]

I really love it too

[warm epoch]

oo ty

[grizzled osprey]

Ong

[spring yew]

This might sound stupid to some, maybe most
But i genuinely don't know, do the factories keep working indefinitely when I'm offline?
Till my depot is maxed?

[brisk jetty]

Yes

[shrewd knoll]

up to a week

[brisk jetty]

Your depots would hopefully be max in a week

[ancient zinc]

Even ur off..

Ur factory keeps working

[spring yew]

Ohhh so there's a limit
That's a fair time i think

[tough scarab]

If you’re not playing once a week you should probably just drop the game at that point

[ancient zinc]

Unless 1 wrong clog means everything STOPS

Or POWER OUTAGES

[brisk jetty]

You need to collect rare resources every 4 days

And do wuling pictures every 6

[cedar phoenix]

you'll most likely have your depot full already before the end of that week

[spring yew]

I wonder if my production is like 1/min of something
Would it be maxed after a week?

[shrewd knoll]

i stopped collecting resources except the wuling ones, they are more of a gather when needed thing now

[ancient zinc]

Depends on what ur factory making

[shrewd knoll]

even once every 4 days, going through all the regions grabbing stuff is not ok

for sanity sake

[brisk jetty]

Imagine you start needing them on big bulk again

[ancient zinc]

Me after most of my operator are lvl 40 I stop valley material collection

[cedar phoenix]

1/min is about 10k per week, so depends on your development level I would say, but end game no, it's 80k max

[ancient zinc]

But recycling depot still needs for future

[teal hemlock]

hey I figured the PWM thing, got 3 banks getting batteries every 42 sec, with last one getting batts every 72 sec, so overall power projection is: 200 + 3x1100 x (40/42) + 1x1100 x (40/72) = ~ 4000 power :D no more wasting 600 watts!

[brisk jetty]

Luckily we will get a qol for that

[ancient zinc]

Imagine if devs add a broke down unit system

[spring yew]

Lmao i appreciate that you did the math
Nah, i don't think i have something with that low production, and i log in every day
I think I'll be fine

[ancient zinc]

Devs : oh u want QoL?

Let’s add maintenance your units thingy

[grizzled osprey]

I calculated 2 three way splitters and 2 two way splitters should approximate 600 watts, but as long as your calculations work you're good

[north moth]

only thing I have 1/m is Xiranite component.

[grizzled osprey]

why

[small creek]

aye same

9/min wuling batt, 1.5/min xiranite comp

[grizzled osprey]

Oh components

[north moth]

just passively so I dont have to think when I need to make armor. and 10 battery + 5.75 syringe setup is enough for stock bills.

[small creek]

that way u outpace the outpost while making the most xiranite comps possible

[grizzled osprey]

Those damn components, I don't think 200 artificing attempts would get me one full set

maybe it's time to connect my PAC to that 40k lake

[north moth]

Almost full set.

[small creek]

slab 😢

[grizzled osprey]

expensive, I'll do essences first

[small creek]

lol essences are more expensive

artificing requires no sanity

[simple fractal]

Wait how does one amp

[grizzled osprey]

Those crystals about to go 5x price once I run Outta permanent stock

[small creek]

its not a big deal, im abt to run out of the 95% discounted one

[north moth]

it was expensive indeed. I dont have 30k for perlica anymore.

[simple fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/but-i-don't-have-30000-30000-dollars-arknights-endfield-gif-7119074259363027863

[grizzled osprey]

it'll be affordable when wuling stock bills become easier to earn

[small creek]

its quite affordable now

literally gonna buy it out tmrw

[grizzled osprey]

One max stat for 40 artificing attempts

Maybe I just have shit luck

[small creek]

the stock bills we get are just enough for the shop's stock

as for whether that's enough, that's not for me to say

but increasing stock bills rn wont do anything

[grizzled osprey]

there's also 8k crafting cost per gear

[north moth]

nah I have been there 2 times and thats just 4 armor pieces I upgraded.

[small creek]

thats cheap af

rn its a problem cus you're still on the permanent catalysts

once u run out of those, its a non issue

[grizzled osprey]

hmm maybe I should do that imminent incursion thing too

[small creek]

you should definitely do the imminent incursion for wuling

and put wulfgard as assistant if u havent

[grizzled osprey]

Yea I have

[north moth]

what you do with your stock bills, I buy the weekly 120k engraving permit and there is nothing else to buy expect artificing catalyst

[grizzled osprey]

Good question, I should check the shop and just spend them rn ig

I buy gifts weekly but they're cheap asf

[small creek]

okay thats why lol

gifts are like the last thing i bought

[north moth]

those limited stock catalyst are just 6k each. and 8k crafting cost will get you more value than buying extra 240k permit for essense.

[grizzled osprey]

I think was just concerned about the gear I max getting powercreeped but whatever we'll have enough bills to get more catalysts later

[north moth]

by the time power creep happens we will have so much more stock bills or mabye even in a new region with different bills.

[real marsh]

so uuh apperently i can condence down my xeranite production even more

cuz my smoothbrain dint see that those plant also give 2 carbon each

[grizzled osprey]

I still have sanity usage permits left in shop

[real marsh]

[small creek]

those are useless lowk

[real marsh]

its a speedup so meh is fine

anyway goal for tmrw is remake my xiranite production with the current revalation that wulang plants are just 4 times more efficient for carbon production

[small creek]

its the same value as expedited permits in the original arknights

0

now if they gave us sanity in the shop, thatd be a different story
maybe then those speedups would have some use

[real marsh]

can remove 1 refinery and 1 planter/seeder

Yo that would be super cool

should i remake my xiranite production right now? (its 00:43am)

or say nah fuck it sleep and do tmrw

[small creek]

sleep

[real marsh]

Roger that, before that would you like to see my current monstrocity ?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1471244980973731880/image.png?ex=698e3b29&is=698ce9a9&hm=ff7285a35ef6e77cbc1a384248fc15e2a743a0f9ce2e140128b524da84b8e137&

as you can see i noticed Wuling plants give 2 plants per seed, Dint notice the 2 carbon per plant

[crisp idol]

wuling plants are fun

[ashen acorn]

what

the coveted 19/min hc battery

[hushed wolf]

Do you get enough water to this setup? I thought 1 pump could only supply enough for 2 buildings?

[shrewd knoll]

you can merge the pumps pipes now, it was bugged when first released

[real marsh]

yesnt, the 2 farms are working at 50%

[shrewd knoll]

to the actual shown flow rate on the pipes

[real marsh]

i dint notice that the plants produce 2 carbon aswel as 2 plants per seed

[spring yew]

How to check my material income and material outcome? I forgot where to find that
The graph thingy

[real marsh]

Esc AIC report

[verbal garnet]

1 pump can carry 4 wulling plant machine

[spring yew]

Can't find that either

[real marsh]

go to the overal menu with all the butons

[hushed wolf]

under the map in pause menu

[real marsh]

on the botum below the circular map

[spring yew]

OMG THANK YOUUU

Found it

[real marsh]

hey sometimes giving directions helps :/

[shrewd knoll]

wuiling farms super versatile, i use one to make 2 different medicines

but its working at half capacity cuz of ferrium issues

[real marsh]

Average Wuiling experience

[shrewd knoll]

the one instance where clogging is bad in a setup

[nova cradle]

What do you guys think?

[real marsh]

Its something

[shrewd knoll]

i guess people can also do buck A + citrome as well but they have to sync the farms and that might be a little harder

[wicked rune]

do yall got any good videos for early game wuling factory stuff? cant find any good simple ones

[verbal garnet]

You surely overkill that filling unit

[real marsh]

Not a video but just try to build some compact stuf yar self is fun

[nova cradle]

Do u think building a sand leaf facility set up with the steel bottle facility is a waste of space or saves space? Cuz i really feel like I save better space if I just unload sand leaf powders and build the sandleaf farm elsewhere in the base but maybe it's just the same?

[shrewd knoll]

i just build it in

[real marsh]

wel im a very compact builder so i dont usualy run into space co strains

[sand pivot]

these simulations are so painfully useless and long lmao

[real marsh]

and likr astra says, its something you can build into a production line

[nova cradle]

Ahhh ok you make the facility looks better by building it in like that

[real marsh]

you can also make it look, not as apealing :)

[crisp idol]

tbh i might try making two buckA in a sub pac and send the flower production to a dedicated sub pac (infra station atm)

[shrewd knoll]

all my builds pretty much comprehensive, including all but the raw materials

[crisp idol]

early enter key

[real marsh]

astra is a very astetic builder with what limited knowledge of what ive seen

[inland perch]

Im tryna think of disabling some refineries to limit ferrium input

[nova cradle]

Yeah it's hard to balanacr aesthetics witb proper belts. It's cool seeing it being done properly

[inland perch]

Too much spacee wasted bruhh

[real marsh]

and then you have me

[silent mesa]

can someone help me with a blueprint

[real marsh]

Wasted space I THINK NOT

[shrewd knoll]

the space is part of the design though and its the smallest in terms of width

i only build modular

[real marsh]

apoor what do you need help with

[verbal garnet]

[silent mesa]

oh uhh

one sec

should i forward it

ill forward it

[crisp idol]

width as in 26 wide?

[inland perch]

The only thing i think needs space is forge of sky
So u can disable it to make the fertilizer thing from the cows

[shrewd knoll]

yes anything smaller than 26 extends 50 which breaks the blueprint

[silent mesa]

this one

[real marsh]

i should do that aswel but meh, i will cram as much shit into the space i have been alloted

[crisp idol]

WAIT I GOT YOU ONE SEC

[silent mesa]

im confused on which ones i put sandleaf and which ones i put yazhen and jincao

like

idk how to explain

[shrewd knoll]

but is it spaghetti

[silent mesa]

but i just dont know

[real marsh]

Give me a moment

[silent mesa]

they say top farms and bottom farms

how do i decide which ones should use yazhen or jincao

[real marsh]

doesnt matter they turn into carbon

just that you use a wuling plant

[silent mesa]

oh ok

[inland perch]

It rlly isnt that different from leanders....
Reduced from 30x24 to 29x24
It a smoller ver. Of leander's design, u just gotta make sure u got a converger to output enough water for both forges of skies

[silent mesa]

which one is better?

[inland perch]

Ig this? Its just teeny bit smoller

Cant tell the difference

[crisp idol]

have a look yourself
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it's a bit scuffed but i wouldn't necessarily call it spaghetti

[real marsh]

anyway goodnigth endmins, be sure to start the industrial revolution in china

[shrewd knoll]

I actually just need the farms to be synmetrical because i put both citrome and buck into them

[north moth]

Apparently today is National Inventors’ Day. atleast in the US.

so happy day to all factory engineers here.

[oak chasm]

my factories current ferium data output is 1080/1080 with 1080/1200 theoretical data do I low-key just ignore that

[crisp idol]

no

[nova cradle]

I added shredders after the originium crusts. I think this is as much as i can fit in this base

im finally fixing my ratios finally 😭

just need to build another steel bottle factory. And I still have the AIC core base

[crisp idol]

you can put a fair bit more in that base if you minimize your belt lengths

your first image especially, just have them face downward like this example

[inland perch]

Is this an art piece of symmetry cuz thats alotta tracks for no reason

[sand pivot]

I was gonna say I feel like you're wasting too much space in belts

[nova cradle]

tracks? you mean belts?

[sand pivot]

but since I haven't gotten to such complex builds I was unsure if my eyes were deceiving me or not

[inland perch]

Right theyre called belts forgot

[nova cradle]

nah the belts are all perfect

like i follow a formula

[limpid shore]

Is 2 squares worth of belt enough

[silk wyvern]

Sounds like enough

[inland perch]

Still u dont need that many belts...

[nova cradle]

no i do they're all at 100% efficiency

[inland perch]

U can also use a belt bridge if ur puttin multiple stuff to a protocl stash

[nova cradle]

if i remove one ill be losing 33%

[inland perch]

Oki

[nova cradle]

Point out the belt

[sand pivot]

I mean if you have ADHD and want it to look nice, I get it

[nova cradle]

i am sure i put perfect ratios

[sand pivot]

but you are legit wasting a lot of space on belts

[inner jay]

the ratios are fine but the belts are too long is what we're saying

[sand pivot]

like this is just a small example of space being wasted but you could fit 2 more machines in there

[nova cradle]

ohh

yeah that's for aesthetics

[inland perch]

Lmao

[nova cradle]

if they are too long it's for trying to make it look good

[sand pivot]

ok fair, as someone who's a perfectionist I get that 💀

[inner jay]

ok then yea you do you lmao

[sand pivot]

aesthetics > efficiency to me

[inner jay]

there's plenty of space after all the upgrades anyway

[nova cradle]

but they're all perfect ratio real real thank you for pointing that out. I didn't really understand about too much belts but you guys mean the belts are too long.

i want to save space and look good at the same time. im gonna check how many facilities i can fit left. the valley factory i maxed it out at 256/256 so i thought im also near the max for this power plateau one as well haha

[inner jay]

oh but fyi for the last image you only need 2 powder + 2 bottles input on the filling unit unless those other 2 powder belts are for aesthetics too

[nova cradle]

if i log in and see my factories are ugly to me i don't feel like playing for some reason

[inland perch]

As a programmer if it works leave it as is lol idc abt looks

[nova cradle]

it is 2 powder and 2 bottles

[inner jay]

this part

u have 4 going in

[nova cradle]

yeah 2 powder and 2 bottle

4 belts

[inner jay]

...??

[nova cradle]

??

2*amount/time = amount of belts needed

2*10/10 = 2

2 powder belts cuz it uses 10 powder

2 bottles cuz it uses 10 bottles

[grizzled osprey]

[nova cradle]

wait

you're right

[grizzled osprey]

You have 4 powder belts dude

[nova cradle]

im dumb

[sand pivot]

shouldn't it be 3 powder, 3 bottles then?

[nova cradle]

i see it now

yeah i give up on life

[sand pivot]

💀

[nova cradle]

im doomed

[inner jay]

[nova cradle]

i can't survive

no survival instinct or measuring instinct

[grizzled osprey]

That someone who said you'd come back with bigger mistakes might've been right

[sand pivot]

on another news, I finally finished the 300 simulations

[grizzled osprey]

you know you can skip those?

[sand pivot]

this was so boring I don't even feel like fixing my base layout 😭

[sand pivot]

but the rewards tho

I'm all about the freebies

[grizzled osprey]

You still get them, just have to click a button

[inner jay]

whos gonna tell him

[grizzled osprey]

[sand pivot]

brother.........

[inner jay]

[sand pivot]

you guys suck, I hope yk that

[grizzled osprey]

Rip

[sand pivot]

if you had kept that a secret

[nova cradle]

i think im done for today with factory building and go out and touchj grass

[sand pivot]

my efforts wouldn't feel like a waste

😭

[grizzled osprey]

I never saw you say anything about doing sims earlier

[sand pivot]

bro I unironically spent like 2h doing that shi

[paper magnet]

Your efforts went into actually understanding the factory tho

[grizzled osprey]

You aren't alone dw

[sand pivot]

not even bro 😭

the sims are so useless

[paper magnet]

The number of people who skipped the simulation then asked how to make an infinite planter

[grizzled osprey]

The players who wanted those rewards in the first week didn't have to skip button

They had to endure the sims

[sand pivot]

you learn more f'in around and finding out than through the sims

[paper magnet]

The Sims tell you step by step how to set stuff up

I genuinely think it's good as far as tutorials go

[grizzled osprey]

Ong, I tried doing a sim once and didn't listen to what it was saying and completed the goals myself but it didn't give me the rewards cuz I didn't follow it

[sand pivot]

they also randomly tell you to install a belt from a machine that's 300 miles away from the depot to the depot and then you have to wait for 50 of them to arrive

💀

[paper magnet]

You know that part is skippable right

Half the Sims can be completed quickly just by stashing the final product

[sand pivot]

it's a bonus bro, I pressed escape and it kept saying I'd not get the bonus rewards if I skipped

💀

[vapid granite]

Disappointed these towers pratctically do no damage

[sand pivot]

but maybe I could have manually stored it

and it'd have been faster, not sure now that you mention

[paper magnet]

Yea skip not as in skip the extra

Just skip the belt movement

[grizzled osprey]

Tf do you mean, when I tried doing that It made me restart the whole sim

[sand pivot]

lord have mercy on my soul bro

[grizzled osprey]

[paper magnet]

Not all of them

[sand pivot]

I am ngl as a UX designer, the UI in this game tilts the heck out of me

[paper magnet]

Some of them you can expedite by taking the item directly

[sand pivot]

I feel like the UI is just a bombardment of information everywhere for no reason

[paper magnet]

I think there could be less pop up tutorials I agree

That shit is a plague on arpg gaming ngl

[inner jay]

caps > esc > esc> caps

[grizzled osprey]

whatever, this one time I love the skip button, still don't approve skipping story tho

[paper magnet]

PrEsS wAsD tO mOvE aRouNd

[sand pivot]

that also tilts me 😭

[paper magnet]

moves
PResS sPaCe tO jUmP

[grizzled osprey]

[sand pivot]

go into top down view, press escape to leave, realize escape opens menu, press escape again to close menu, finally press caps to leave the top down view

[crisp idol]

every hour

without fail

[paper magnet]

60 minutes passes

[grizzled osprey]

Wise words

[paper magnet]

I tried to rebind top down mode

Only to realize half my keyboard is already reserved for some other function

[north moth]

I see you have stopped using splitters everywhere.

[sand pivot]

that is my only negative feedback on their surveys

the user experience feels like crap because of the UI

[grizzled osprey]

My negative feedback is the crates don't look fancy enough

We got normal crate, blue crate, 3 types of yellow crate

[paper magnet]

I thought the UI is fine

[grizzled osprey]

[paper magnet]

For a gacha game anyway

But uh

Can I move the operator HP/combo cool down to the right side

[sand pivot]

you think so? think as a new player... you open the menu and you see this:

[paper magnet]

This gon sound first world problem ish

But

[sand pivot]

like bro as a new player I was so lost on what half these buttons were 💀

[paper magnet]

I play on an ultra wide so all the UI elements moved to the extreme ends

So I now look like a chameleon everytime I go into combat

[north moth]

I think it was fine. But then again last game I played was where winds meet and UI is a mess to understand at start.

[tulip wigeon]

you get acquainted with it easily

[grizzled osprey]

more buttons equals more stuff for me to figure out, it wasn't an overwhelming amount

[paper magnet]

Yea but as a new player you're not required to immediately interact with all of this all at once

[sand pivot]

debatable, I still don't know what some of those buttons do ngl 😭

[paper magnet]

You slowly get eased into each button

[analog elbow]

Holy peak

[iron stratus]

the arrangement was weird but they add buttons as you progress so it's not too overwhelming at any one time like other gachas

[sand pivot]

yeah but that's what I mean, that's terrible user experience

[grizzled osprey]

Important stuff is on left side, it's basically screaming just look to the left if you don't know what you're doing

[sand pivot]

it goes against Jakob's principle/ law

[analog elbow]

i have to admit this is overwhelming at first

but you'll get used to it since it's necessary

[grizzled osprey]

[sand pivot]

mhm like everything but still, having a UI that's more familiar to the users would proportionate a better user experience

[analog elbow]

i mean that screen provides literally everything so it makes sense

[grizzled osprey]

Now that I think about it what does path of glory do
Is it the medal collection?

[analog elbow]

yes

[teal hemlock]

first week of playing was so much reading to understand the game and tutorials/ui...

[grizzled osprey]

skip everything, figure it all out yourself is what I did

altho I had to do tutos to figure out how vulnerability and breach worked exactly

[analog elbow]

Ah also yesterday i artific my Lava Girl Armor for a second stat and it got upgraded on first time

I think my luck on Artificing are super duper

[grizzled osprey]

I also artificed on first try but my catalyst usage still high for some reason

[analog elbow]

nd then i found this on X

good match but 40/40

[sand pivot]

that's the example I had in mind 💀

[analog elbow]

imagine upgrading with a good match but still hit pity

[grizzled osprey]

well not like you ever need to look at those

[analog elbow]

well time to login

i sabotaged my work so i have free time today

[grizzled osprey]

I need to do skill masteries

[analog elbow]

THE FACTORY MUST GROW

[sand pivot]

that's another bad UI design aspect, like if it's not relevant why's it in the game's main menu 😭

either way though, that's just my personal opinion on it

[grizzled osprey]

True

[sand pivot]

I still think the game is 10/10

[shrewd knoll]

the perfectly balanced wuling factory without actual balancing

[north moth]

what was me twice and now I am broke.

[analog elbow]

.paypal

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/paypal-me-paypal-paypal-me-30k-perlica-arknights-gif-3472834387034500009

[sand pivot]

so no ferrium?

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[north moth]

.paypalnt

[cinder sun]

https://tenor.com/view/paypal-30000-arknights-arknights-end-arknight-endfield-gif-8615212440352069827

[shrewd knoll]

the ferrium balance itself because i made the chokepoint the liquid

[analog elbow]

Why are you even making 2 types of meds

[shrewd knoll]

more storage

[grizzled osprey]

I can't wait to pull all 3 characters next cycle with my 30k oroberyls

[sand pivot]

what's funny is that I am still in V4 and I already know everything about wuling production automation from reading this chat all day 😭

[shrewd knoll]

it still uses only one production line

[crimson inlet]

I'm in pain

grinding energy allevium

[crisp idol]

get out of it

[grizzled osprey]

[sand pivot]

it's addicting man

[crisp idol]

i get that...

[sand pivot]

I like looking at other people's creations

[nova cradle]

yeah i am more interested now these days in maximizing efficiency + aesthetics now

[shrewd knoll]

4 seed/plants in the loop limits it to almost 115 ferrium

[analog elbow]

Nice

[north moth]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-arknights-endfield-arknights-endfield-chen-qianyu-gif-10239037894987106116

[grizzled osprey]

Thank me for the efficiency

[nova cradle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/635439835364196353/1354538951670497491/caption.gif?width=487&height=593

[north moth]

.gyatt

[cinder sun]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1470559890274783234/7gnlhrm4cbee1.png?ex=698bbd1f&is=698a6b9f&hm=3f3ec04d775ce42e3a42e5f8868b92346512b746970e941d537553f53b8baf89&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=720&height=720

[nova cradle]

Heheh

[grizzled osprey]

I saw a video where a woman rated operators, she rated fluorite 1 out of 3

[shrewd knoll]

and why was it out of 3

that seems like a food thing

[grizzled osprey]

Yea idk why

[inland knoll]

i dont understand the principle of this part. ive observed that the converger will operate as youd expect without the splitter, but with the splitter it will only take in batteries from the splitter if the flow of origocrust stops. why does it do that?!

[grizzled osprey]

But apparently she hated lizards so would probably rate 1/10