aic-factory

[storm garnet]

now i want to see if you can refine the other food powders lol

[cinder cloak]

can try it out now sec

[cinder cloak]

tried buckflower and citrone, it's a 1:1

guess the 1:2 carbon powders are unique to Wuling plant powders

[storm garnet]

yea, i already had the recipes from valley 4, i was missing the wuling ones

i meant the rare versions

thorny, etc

it doesn't do anything

at least the wuling ones

[empty furnace]

ore deficit for 2 wuling batts shouldnt happen, but i think ur also not making as much originium as you can in wuling

[storm garnet]

i think i already tried the valley ones weeks ago

[cinder cloak]

oh yeah they don't. not even the seeding unit makes seeds out of it

[inland ruin]

yeah, prob missed a vein or two in these areas i havent been yet

[cinder cloak]

you're missing some originium ores

[storm garnet]

check prior areas too after you level up, since you unlock more nodes

[cinder cloak]

max yield is 360/min

[empty furnace]

just the bottom fog, its called hulu cave. the top fog in the pic doesn t have ore

[teal hemlock]

so I guess cryston bottles are useless

[cinder cloak]

it's here

[storm garnet]

it's a hidden wall to get there i think

or maybe not, cant remember

[cinder cloak]

yeah someone's memo pointed it out for me lol

just hit the rock wall the green light post is pointing to

[storm garnet]

50/min matches with that place, so yea, it's just that

[inland ruin]

found it, never been so happy to see rocks

[storm garnet]

the realization that i have to actually change sandleaf loops into wuling plant loops....

time to math so i dont fuck up

[cinder cloak]

but sandleaf powder is still required for the grinding units lol

[inland ruin]

also, gd the darksouls fake walls are so hard to spot

[storm garnet]

yea, gotta be careful

[empty furnace]

tbf they put green lights pointing right at the walls, if only dark souls did that

[cinder cloak]

I'm only using 2 self-sustaining sandleaf loops for all 4 dense carbon grinding units

can also just do one, while the last grinding unit has direct input of sandleaf powder

[storm garnet]

i shouldn't touch the loops i already have for wuling plants, even if they make more than needed

[cinder cloak]

but I like my symmetry

[empty furnace]

soon theyll be used!

[storm garnet]

2 whole sandleaf loops are needed just for 12/min batteries

[storm garnet]

115/min...

[empty furnace]

i meant when they give us more wuling lol

[cinder cloak]

with 2 extra sandleaf powder belts

[storm garnet]

i know, but for now...

[cinder cloak]

idk what to do with them tbh

[empty furnace]

ya i just stash those and dont even use them i dont think

[cinder cloak]

yes those are clogged

[storm garnet]

extra sandleaf powder means extra sandleaf, which can be used for depot delivery

[empty furnace]

thats fair

[storm garnet]

powder itself can be used for valley deliveries, but on wuling we need the flower itself

since max level is lower

[cinder cloak]

look at those excess sandleaf

[storm garnet]

powder is better since it's triple production

[empty furnace]

somehow i have cap originium ore everyday even though my yield and usage are evened out, so i end up delivering that lol

[storm garnet]

lol

[inland ruin]

ty chat

[storm garnet]

but you have to think about space efficiency

about 70% extra depot space

those are all batteries btw

[steady halo]

One question do i need to worry alot about the theortical data? Because the current data doesn't change at all

[empty furnace]

are you unloading batteries into protostashes? lmao

[cinder cloak]

actually big brain

[storm garnet]

48k depot space is too little

[cinder cloak]

thinking of reducing my wuling yields though

[empty furnace]

do we overproduce batteries? i havent gotten to that point i just swapped to 12/min two days ago

[storm garnet]

theorical calculates all machines working at max, it's ok

[cinder cloak]

this is enough to zero out the outpost

[storm garnet]

you should worry more about not hitting 60/min

[storm garnet]

actually, even 3/min of food is enough

so, ferrium is not technically a problem

[cinder cloak]

yeah i'm negative by 15/min on ferrium

i'll just go ahead and reduce the food efficiency

[storm garnet]

should be 5/min

with 25/min from metatransfer

[cinder cloak]

yea sorry i meant 5/min

[inland ruin]

is this enough to zero out the wuling stockade? (I have ferrium metastorage transfer on)

[empty furnace]

more than

[cinder cloak]

yep, just posted my screenshot above of me zeroing out the outpost

[storm garnet]

that's what we were just discussing

3/min food is enough for it

[empty furnace]

is there a command for the roadmap and does the roadmap show when the rest of wuling drops

[cinder cloak]

gonna reduce yazhen efficiency

[storm garnet]

btw, you technically get 4.5/min without extra ferrium from transfer

[cinder cloak]

no news on that yet I believe, except that we're getting Wuling expansion for the next 2patches

[half depot]

Any tips of how to begin getting currency for wuling factory? Can't sell anything, deliver anything, so im not sure what to do other Than farm it from enemies🤣

[solid imp]

more wuling means more tangtang. glory to supreme chief

[inland ruin]

im bouncing between my game and this chat lmao, was producing components and realized I was slipping behind on the stockade

[storm garnet]

i should get into the carbon optimization already

[solid imp]

progress through literally the entire main story quest until you unlock the first outpost

[cinder cloak]

depot deliveries, the photograph thing also gives a decent startup for wuling bills

[empty furnace]

i just need to make sure my outpost has max money when it drops, dont wanna be behind on prosperity levels

[inland ruin]

almost filled up my depot too

[solid imp]

i'm not kidding btw, unlocking the first outpost to sell to in wuling is the current end of the main story

[cinder cloak]

the rest, from selling your outputs from the Wuling AIC

[storm garnet]

i'll do 1 of each plant for each xiranite forge just for fun

[cinder cloak]

outpost max level is 2 right now, so you're immediately not going to worry about prosperity levels

[empty furnace]

no i mean, like when the max level unlocks, i want to instant dump a full bar of prosperity into it

[cinder cloak]

oh yeah true

[empty furnace]

cant do that if theyre emptied out from the day before

[storm garnet]

the worst part is my sandleaf generation is basically 1 giant loop, instead of multiple ones

[cinder cloak]

I'm gonna worry about that when next patch is looming around the corner

I need my wuling bills lol

[storm garnet]

i should just make them separate now

time to press F to pay respects

[cinder cloak]

how do you have that many lmao

[storm garnet]

cause i needed all of them lol

[storm garnet]

i'll make it a bit more prettier now

[nova lodge]

ok....so who spook me into getting yvonne =.=
now i am feeling both frustrated and excited at the same time.
all the while making me feeling conflicted if i should get last rite and not being able to pity gilberta early.

[cinder cloak]

I only have a total of 4 self sustaining sandleaf loops for 60/min xiranites and 12/min wuling batteries

[storm garnet]

i'll just remove this too

i feel naked, too much "not spaghetti"

[cinder cloak]

THE FACTORY MUST GROW BE OPTIMIZED

the other day I went back to Valley 4 to stash everything and remake them just to try to make it more space efficient

god*mn you do need a LOT of output lines for processing Ferriums

[paper magnet]

Yes

36 to be exact

[cinder cloak]

yep

[storm garnet]

this time, i'll give all 3 belts of 1 sandleaf powder to 3 carbon grinders, so i need less bridges

i think

[cinder cloak]

I got so much into reoptimizing it thinking "oh dang 52/min Buckcap [a} is possible"

suffice to say, the required usage for ferrium was way off the calcs

[paper magnet]

52 a min means you're running 8 filling units

[cinder cloak]

you got 4 carbon grinders so you'll either directly feed powder into the last one, or make another sandleaf loop

[storm garnet]

optimal is 18.666/min of hc battery and 17.666/min of capsule a

you get more tickets that way

[cinder cloak]

wait so this isn't max yield?

[earnest steeple]

You don't because they dont have enough tickets.

[storm garnet]

i basically need a whole shredder just to make 1 sandleaf powder belt

[cinder cloak]

I guess I can run another HC valley production line with less efficiency

[empty furnace]

whats worse is when you try to account for meds thinking itll fix the problem. you make 2 extra lines of powder after finishing batteries just to find you need 3 lines for meds lol

[paper magnet]

Yes you can fit 1 more line

[cinder cloak]

welp time to slap that on there

[storm garnet]

normal optimized valley 4 is 18/min of both

[tired shore]

its not possible to get 18 + 18 in just the main aic

[paper magnet]

You do spend more batteries but you also make much more ig

[storm garnet]

my subpacs in valley are all basically full space-wise

[empty furnace]

i think the most theoretical is 18/min+15/min but doing a half setup is pointless so 18+12 in main is the best option

[cinder cloak]

oh yeah I'm using all the AIC areas in Valley 4

only Wuling space is hyper optimized, not even needing the Jingyu Valley outpost

[tired shore]

the "best" option is 18 buck a in main aic, then 18 batts, each in a sub aic

[storm garnet]

also, apart from those two, you also need to make 24/min citrome c

[tired shore]

cus paying for depots and size expansions takes bills

[cinder cloak]

yeah just realized this the other day when staring at the numbers

[storm garnet]

you don't get positive for the outposts otherwise

[tired shore]

and its the cheapest if you do 18 buck in main aic + 6 batts in each sub aic

[storm garnet]

unless maybe only using 4 thermal banks

[empty furnace]

max money valley 4 makes more than enough to buy out every weekly item and still make extra money tho, the cost of upgrading outposts* is negligible

[cinder cloak]

since nothing is using Amethyst at this pint Citrome [C] is on the table

[fossil spoke]

and bombs

to put inside the delivery

hehehehe

[storm garnet]

you should make 12/min citrome c and 12/min capsule c though, since they fill the depot fast

[tired shore]

right, but not buying the upgrades is still infinity more money then the 0 you get by making 24 buck c that you cant spend

and people still do that

[storm garnet]

that's also why i make 1 citrome a line instead of capsule a

[south sparrow]

did anyone make a factory for a consumable to increase dmg?

[storm garnet]

just as extra room to fill the depot

[cinder cloak]

I've maxed out all Valley 4 upgrades so not gonna worry about that at least

[empty furnace]

fair, and i do what you say to do, but my stuff is upgraded. the merit to swapping to putting most in main isnt for making extra unsellables, its more for being ready for potential future updates

[fossil spoke]

eh? why cannot spend buck c ?

[cinder cloak]

don't think you can, have to use the farm

[south sparrow]

oh ok

[empty furnace]

outposts dont gen enough to buy c capsules after selling them your batteries and a capsules

[earnest steeple]

Theres no consumable that the factory can make automatically that increases damage. You'll have to manually eco farm for that.

[storm garnet]

they do though

[tired shore]

they dont

[storm garnet]

you have to use the correct characters

[fossil spoke]

ah, maybe bcoz my outpost timing isnt correct yet then

[storm garnet]

so they make 20% more

[empty furnace]

they dont tho ive shown the math here so many times lol. just the A and batts you sell sell for about 4k more bills than they gen a day

and thats with all the %inc gen you can have in each outpost

[storm garnet]

well, if you are using only 4 thermal banks, yea

[empty furnace]

you should only need 4

[storm garnet]

but then you are pretty tight on energy

[empty furnace]

unless i guess you make extra c capsules lol

[storm garnet]

i'm tight on energy with 5 already

[empty furnace]

making the capsules to lower the amount of bats to sell so you have money to sell caps, wild loop lol

er oops sorry im at 5

5 banks

[fossil spoke]

this is not correct, I just counted it

[empty furnace]

with 5 banks going you still gen 10.5 bateries/min for sale plus the 18 A caps

[earnest steeple]

4k more is 5 banks.

[fossil spoke]

u only need 28.46 (70 price) item per minute just for emptying the 3 outpostr

[earnest steeple]

But you make 350k more if you do buck c

[empty furnace]

doing the math leads to a 24 hour sale price of 2.872 million i believe from memory whereas they gen a total of 2.868 every 24 hours

[fossil spoke]

no ?

how u can sell the buck c tho

if the generation of 70 price item is already 36 per min

[earnest steeple]

Wydm? Valley pass buys it?

[fossil spoke]

18 + 18

[empty furnace]

18+10.5 cuz you use 7.5 bats/min

[storm garnet]

you are forgetting the battery usage

[fossil spoke]

its still 288

.5

bruh

[empty furnace]

im on ur side

[fossil spoke]

so its still enough

[empty furnace]

i know the math says the cap cs cant be sold

[fossil spoke]

yeah

[cinder cloak]

imma go eat first while I watch you guys argue about Valley 4 efficiency

[trim narwhal]

Is it possible to grow things like ginseng in the valley 4 plot? I don't see any water nearby

[tired shore]

theres a reason ive stoped typing

[earnest steeple]

No

[empty furnace]

cant use pipes or pumps in valley anyways

[storm garnet]

just in case, you guys know the plateau fills the fastest right?

before i do my own math again

[fossil spoke]

lemme just bring the screenshot and calculation

[empty furnace]

yes it has the highest hourly regn% of max stock i believe this is correct

[storm garnet]

ok, 12,24/min for plateau, i'll put the numbers here while i do the math

9.28 for station

[empty furnace]

these were the calcs i poste din here the other day

[storm garnet]

6.94 the camp

[empty furnace]

the 2.872 being 28.5 sellables at 70 price the other being the regen daily

[storm garnet]

ok, yes, 28.46

[fossil spoke]

29148 + 38976 + 51408 = 119532 / Hour income

119532 / 60 = 1992.2 / Minute income

1992.2 / 70 (item price) = 28.46 item / minute

(18 batt - 7.5 batt usage) + 18 buck = 28.5 item / minute

[empty furnace]

now combine these proofs of my numbers with my above calcs and you have the definitive proof we were right lol

[fossil spoke]

yeah

[cedar phoenix]

personally, I like having more than what needed, so if I skip a day for some reason, I can get back on track after that

[tired shore]

if you skip a few days, you will reach bill cap faster then item storage cap

[fossil spoke]

skipping the day still wont make the outpost generate income higher than the item can ?

[empty furnace]

you have 80k depot storage space, missing a few days youll be fine still with just batteries and a capsules

[storm garnet]

now, here is the question, can you add another 3/min batteries to the usage and still be positive with the other things?

[tired shore]

so you will be more """ahead"""

[storm garnet]

this is just for going out of the way to manually transport batteries to wuling

[cedar phoenix]

yeah, that's why I said I skip A day

[fossil spoke]

ahh if he skipping "FEW" days, then having extra c is good

[tired shore]

is it though?

[empty furnace]

at no pointis that true. youll always have enough batteries and a capsules to empty them out, skip as many days as you want lol

[fossil spoke]

then its not our problem no ?

i mean

[storm garnet]

outpost caps at 73 hours

[fossil spoke]

its ur problem

the battery transfer thing

[storm garnet]

if you are going to skip more, then you need the C foods for sure

[fossil spoke]

why transfer battery tho @storm garnet

[storm garnet]

wait, no

the reverse

whatever, more is always good lol

[empty furnace]

LMAO

you were so close!

[fossil spoke]

idk, is the item cap enough to keep with full outpost ? i didnt calculate that yet

[storm garnet]

wuling only needs about 2.4k energy anyways

[fossil spoke]

using wuling lc with battery optimizer is cheaper than using valley HC

[storm garnet]

maybe, but red energy bad

[fossil spoke]

then dont use the optimizer ?

its still top the outpost

[tired shore]

cus you make 18.66 batts and spend some, the actual cap is 17.33 buck A. this requires 77h to fill up

[fossil spoke]

the wuling batt + the yazhen / jincao

[tired shore]

all the outposts fill up before 77h

[storm garnet]

i'm still pending on optimizing energy usage of wuling batteries, is my last thing on the checklist

[tired shore]

so at no point, even waiting multiple days, will you ever need to sell buck c

[storm garnet]

17.66 actually, only need 1/3 to make 2/3 hc

[cedar phoenix]

isn't the cap of Buck A 18 ?

[cinder cloak]

what was your power usage before you deleted everything

[fossil spoke]

so 160K count of 70 price item is enough to buy all fully filled outpost ?

[storm garnet]

about 2.3k or so

[fossil spoke]

since 80K batt and 80K buck

[cinder cloak]

we roughly the same then

[tired shore]

not at max eff

[storm garnet]

i sometimes had even 2.5k before i tried to optimize things for hc usage

[cedar phoenix]

hmm.. i think I can see it

[tired shore]

max eff is 18.66 batts, and 17.33 buck a

[empty furnace]

my wuling goes red energy down to about 87% then climbs right back up to 100% on loop forever lol. idek how many extra batteries i get from doing this, but i promise it isnt sellable at the end of the day 😎

[storm garnet]

17.66666666666

[tired shore]

ah right

so its 75h and 30min to max out 80k

still more then any outposts bill cap

[cedar phoenix]

but doesn't a setup like this need like way more power ?

[cinder cloak]

i'm only 12/min on HC i gotta take a look at valley 4 again lmao

[storm garnet]

once you get full batteries, it's time to go component mode again

[cinder cloak]

starting to need valley 4 bills for essence farming

[storm garnet]

i should go back to the carbon thing, my xiranite is stopped atm

[karmic sedge]

can this only have valley bills can i get wuling jobs on here...

[empty furnace]

i need sanity for essence farming but all my sanity is reserved for tcreds atm lol

[tired shore]

i spent the last 3 days ecking out like 20w over the popular battery PWM setups

[wild wind]

snipe the wuling ones trust me you have to be both fast and patient

[karmic sedge]

this is the goddamn flea market all over again

ive done enough of this in tarkov i dont want to do this anymore

[wild wind]

should i be worried here or am i chilling

[tired shore]

it ends up being ~27 more batteries per day

[empty furnace]

if you dont need the extra wuling bucks then just do the valley ones

[cinder cloak]

scroll all the way to the bottom of the list, the Wuling jobs appear between the 50k - 100k Valley 4 jobs

[tired shore]

everybody need the wuling bucks

[karmic sedge]

im broke as FUUUUUCCKKKK

[cedar phoenix]

how much energy do you spend with your setup ? (and do you have any ziplines placed with that ?)

[wild wind]

artificing makes you broke on reset

[empty furnace]

shhhh, let some people think they dont. its hard enough getting those dailies as it is

[tired shore]

i got ~60 ziplines total. 2135 energy

[cinder cloak]

(2)

first I needed them bills for Laev essence farming

now I need them bills for artificing

[storm garnet]

avaki, i hate you for revealing the secrets of carbon to me

[empty furnace]

what secret?

[tired shore]

yeah, i spend 5 min per day doing my daily pulls for the wuling depot runs

[wild wind]

trust me the artificing is way worse

[empty furnace]

did you just learn about wuling plants carbon efficiency?

[storm garnet]

ye...

[cinder cloak]

he did

[storm garnet]

forgot about powder to powder

[empty furnace]

lol hell ya

[tired shore]

you can refine first

if you want

[storm garnet]

refine first uses more buildings

[cedar phoenix]

and you produce 18.66 HC bat + 17.66 Buck A and 24 Buck/Citrome C ? (or am I missing something?)

[cinder cloak]

was arguing with me too that it's the same until I showed them the recipe for wuling plants lol

[storm garnet]

i did that before

[tired shore]

hm? is it not the same?

to do refine -> shred

[storm garnet]

nope, wiling gives 2 powder per shred

[cinder cloak]

shred -> refine

[empty furnace]

wait how are you using wuling plants to get carbon if not refining them then shredding them?

[cinder cloak]

you skip the initial refining

[empty furnace]

am i about to learn a new secret

[storm garnet]

no carbon cubes needed

[cinder cloak]

@tired shore

[empty furnace]

oh no

[cedar phoenix]

refine -> shred need less belt than the opposite iirc, don't it ?

[empty furnace]

i have to make a new xiranite BP

god damn i need to stop hanging out in here im getting too much knowledge

[cinder cloak]

another one has been blessed with knowledge

LMAO

[loud jay]

wait is that better than refining and shredding

[cinder cloak]

yes

two less refineries and 1 less planting unit

[small totem]

wait what

[loud jay]

in valley 4 i make so many batteries and buck boost capsules i can't sell them all to the outposts so what do i do with them?

[storm garnet]

btw, i think i won't do this, i can't connect the right plant powder properly. back to 2 sandleaf powder belts used per machine

[cinder cloak]

you probably dragged our selection to outside the AIC and included a player's made structure

[river cedar]

chat, does zipline pylons damage the delivery goods?

[wild wind]

nope youre chilling

[tired shore]

whats the difference? seems the same to me

[cinder cloak]

wait what's wrong here

[small totem]

Bruh, there was nothing there, but reselecting it did the work. thanks

[river cedar]

i might make a lot of ziplines then tbh and turn off sharing so im not being toxic to other players

[storm garnet]

the wrong is everything

it's only an initial concept, checking things

it doesn't work

[cinder cloak]

because 1 gives 2

shredding 1 gives 2

[wild wind]

ziplines are amazing

[cinder cloak]

so you only need 1 Wuling plant for 4 carbon powders @tired shore

[tired shore]

yeah, its 4 total powder

[cinder cloak]

1 Wuling plant

[tired shore]

you refine -> shred vs shred -> refine. same thing

[cinder cloak]

no you shred -> refine -> grinder

you skip the initial refining

[empty furnace]

ok so correct me here cuz i know im wrong but idk where. 1 plant refines into 2 carbon cubes which shred to a total of 4 carbon powder. thats 1 plant+seed+shred+refine. this new way is 1 plant shreds to 2 powders which refines to a total of 4 carbon powders. same ratio. now for the machines, this way takes 1plant+seed+Shred+refine. isnt that the same footprint?

[tired shore]

refine -> shred -> grinder is the same thing!!!

[storm garnet]

actually, i don't have this recipe either

[cunning obsidian]

wait i didn't even know the meds were able to have that done to them

[tired shore]

Plant -> 2x carbon -> 4x carbon dust

[cinder cloak]

@tired shore

[cedar phoenix]

I think you need to do it a first time to unlock it

[vestal grove]

hello do we have data for what max rates of ore collections are in valley iv?

[storm garnet]

ik

[tired shore]

do me a favor replace the 1 shredder with 1 refiner, and the 2 refiners with 2 shredders.

[cinder cloak]

yep, it's not there by default

[cunning obsidian]

i have excess meds that could be burned

[tired shore]

and see how its works the same lmao

[cedar phoenix]

well that's why then

[cinder cloak]

with what plant are we talking

[tired shore]

wuling obv

[storm garnet]

560 240 1080

[cedar phoenix]

originium amethyst ferrium

[cinder cloak]

oh well it's same2

the argument here is whether using wuling plants or not earlier

[tired shore]

[storm garnet]

yep, it's the same as long as you use wuling plants

[tired shore]

thats not what you told me 3 min ago

[storm garnet]

i was using sandleaf

[empty furnace]

its nice to know you can swap the refining and shredding units in the carbon setup and its the same outcome

[vestal grove]

big thanks, does the regional transfer count in the AIC consumption metrics? i seem to be hitting 1.3k/hr used in ferrium 😢

[storm garnet]

ok, another meme thing to do: 1 xiranite line with refine then shred, another with shred then refine

[cinder cloak]

I missed this for some reason lmao

[empty furnace]

i was so worried til i realized it was the same size

[cinder cloak]

that's what I have right now when he asked me to switch them up lol

MUH SYMMETRY

[storm garnet]

wait, what if...

each xiranite has 1 of each

[cinder cloak]

?

[storm garnet]

1 jincao shred to refine, 1 yanzhe refine to shred, on 1 xiranite line

and the total reverse on the other line

[cinder cloak]

oh so you already had it

Etrexum wasn't using Wuling plants earlier when I told them about it

[empty furnace]

ya i thought the reverse was somehow more carbon til i double checked my setup lol

ah i see, gotcha

[empty furnace]

thats too much carbon for 1 xiranite line isnt it

[storm garnet]

i'm going to wul my wuls now that i know how much wuling i can wul

[storm garnet]

i have to divide to each xiranite line

[empty furnace]

holy jeez

all for the memes, i can dig it

[storm garnet]

a lot of bridges incoming

[cinder cloak]

you only need a total of 2 wuling plants for 2 xiranite lines?

[empty furnace]

what else to do with the extra space i guess

[cinder cloak]

wait what's he talking about

[tired shore]

2 plants and 2 pickers yeah

[storm garnet]

2 wuling plants, 4 powder belts

or carbon belts if reverse order

[cinder cloak]

yes 4 powder belts

[empty furnace]

i forgot you did powder to powder

and was gonna correct you

[storm garnet]

whatever, you'll see

[empty furnace]

i know what ur up to, and i hate/love it

[storm garnet]

my machinations are cooking in my brain, but now my hands must do the work

[empty furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-nope-no-disapprove-gif-5418568

[storm garnet]

yep, bad

[cedar phoenix]

About what you said earlier, with making 18.66 HC batteries and 17.66 Buck A
don't this setup consume more batteries for power than what it gives you ?

[storm garnet]

i wanted to be symmetrical and fucked up

[cinder cloak]

[empty furnace]

i just mean it hurts my soul to see it lol

[storm garnet]

but it's wrong too

[tall flower]

What's max ferrite in wuling

[cedar phoenix]

because you'll need a lot more buildings (compared to a 18-18 setup) to have these ratio (or maybe I miss something..)

[cinder cloak]

just put the bottom 2 refinery and shredder next to each other?

[storm garnet]

actually, i just needed to change the refinery and shredder on the left or right

[storm garnet]

i want to get more space and less bridges

[empty furnace]

nope. i use 5 thermal banks for the setup. leaving me with a 10.5/min amount of extra battery yield

[cedar phoenix]

well.. with 18-18 you only need 4 themal banks if I don't miss anything..

[empty furnace]

idk. i dont have enough with 4

and all i have is 18/18

[cinder cloak]

was thinking of something like this

[cedar phoenix]

ok so you don't awnser my question then

I was asking for a 18.66 - 17.66 setup, not a 18-18

[empty furnace]

how is that any more or less battery usage tho

[storm garnet]

sandleaf added

[empty furnace]

im genuinely asking btw before i get my throat jumped down

[cedar phoenix]

well you need to place more buildings to have more than 18 HC batteries

[storm garnet]

missing 1 sandleaf belt inot the pac

[tired shore]

I haven't done the math but prob not? The most popular guides have it like that and I haven't compared power.

[storm garnet]

the extra hc battery line is not that big actually

[empty furnace]

but you have less buck a, so less building there? idk i guess id need to see what this weird setup even looks like. why run it to begin with?

[storm garnet]

just 1 packager, 1 grinder, 1 shredder and 1 or 2 fitters

i'm using 2 fitters, but you should try to use 1 if possible, since they consume 20 power

[tired shore]

But I doubt it would be more, as 0.33 more batts is 366 more power, and you don't need more then 366 power to make them

[main junco]

does anyone know why it says it's maxed? I have nothing on this plot

[cinder cloak]

just use protocol stashes lol

[earnest steeple]

Shouldn't it be two shredders? Aren't you shredding both ferrium and originium?

[cedar phoenix]

hmm.. now that you say it yeah
you are probably right

[storm garnet]

i'm just talking about that specific screenshot

[nova lodge]

too many interconnecting belt and splitters / bypass used in the area.
basically too many objects placed.

[willow tundra]

2 forges max, otherwise upgrade your AIC

[nova lodge]

^ or that

[storm garnet]

no, ferrium comes from the capsule a line

[cinder cloak]

right, if this is Valley 4, belt logistics apparently counts as a facility

[storm garnet]

you joink steel

1/9 of steel done in 1 capsule a line in total

a full belt counts as a facility too

if you cut a belt in half, you get 2 facilities

aw, shit, i need water for the plant loops...

hey, maybe sandleaf wasn't that bad

[cinder cloak]

brother water is an infinite source, I'd take a space for water pipes than another planting unit and 2 refineries lol

[storm garnet]

i think i can use the sky forge pipes for it, since they are running at half capacity

they are for xiranite too anyways, so it checks out

[cinder cloak]

i'm using 2 pumps for 4 pipes on my 2 xiranite production lines

[empty furnace]

if you just place the whole xiranite loop in the corner, you dont really need to use hardly any space for pipes anyways since theyre next to the edge lol

[storm garnet]

i had 1 of these 2 pumps turned off cause 1 was enough for both forges

[cedar phoenix]

I'm even thinking that maybe we can (somehow.. i'm sure it can be done somehow with all the priority things with the splitters/convergers -- maybe we don't even need priority thing..) use some buildings multiple times for different recipes.. like using only one grinder for both Ferrium powder and Originium powder, in order to reduce power needs, as we only need 0.66/min from the last line

[cinder cloak]

I had mine looping all the way to the other side

[storm garnet]

i might do that in future patches

[cinder cloak]

for some reason a long line of water pipes are eye candy to me

[empty furnace]

phrasing?

[cinder cloak]

that better?

lmao

[storm garnet]

it wouldn't work, it would just clog

[empty furnace]

sounds better, more water pipes to look at 😛

[cedar phoenix]

why would it ?

[storm garnet]

you need both working at the same time to unclog one

if not, you only get 1 working

[cinder cloak]

wait he's on to something

[storm garnet]

as long as there is 1 ingredient left inside the machine, the recipe can't change

[cinder cloak]

belt converger? it alternates between two input belts

[storm garnet]

it might even get both ingredients and not get sandleaf

[cinder cloak]

hol' up

[warm quartz]

for this node, do i take power from city or valley?

[cedar phoenix]

I mean, yeah, I'm not saying it's easy to do, but I'm quite sure we can make a setup that alternate between the two recipes consistently

[trim narwhal]

How do I insert a pipe splitter without top down mode? Setting up sprinklers

[storm garnet]

i bet my ass it would clog

[storm garnet]

you suffer

[trim narwhal]

what's the button? 😛

[cinder cloak]

theoretically, as long as nothing's clogging further up the production line, this would work

[empty furnace]

its in the facilities list

[vagrant sleet]

can someone send a screenshot of the map i forgot the name of the top right zone and i dont have the game open, im messaging someone

[storm garnet]

go to facility list

z on keyboard

[cinder cloak]

and regardless, since the converger is alternating between two inputs, the next in queue will always be alternating

[trim narwhal]

thanks! this is horrible

[tired shore]

This is another nerd snipe, I can feel it

Ah shit

[storm garnet]

wait, why was that sushi thing needed in the first place, remind me

[tired shore]

To save like. 50 power

[storm garnet]

no, i mean, for what recipes

[cinder cloak]

wait let me try the 1 refine two ores

[tired shore]

You would need a stash in storage mode to act as buffers

But I don't see why it wouldn't work

[cedar phoenix]

more like 60, you can do that for grinders and refiner too

[empty furnace]

is all this saving just to end up with more extra stuff that you cant sell?

[tired shore]

Yuuuuuup

[empty furnace]

cool i figured

[cedar phoenix]

to make a line with 0.66 HC batteries / min for a 18.66 HC Bat + 17.66 Buck A setup

and to save the maximum energy possible out of it

[tired shore]

yeah, you mix inputs, then filter outputs to get the correct items where they need to go

[tired shore]

and reuse machines

[storm garnet]

i mean what part of the line

[tired shore]

cus you only need 0.66/min of extra batts

[empty furnace]

i know this was a test so why does it bother me about the 1x1 space you left betwen the unloaders

[teal hemlock]

when reserve power is being restored after meeting power requirements again, does it restore at the delta/second rate, same as it would deplete, until reaching 100k max storage? (delta = power - usage)

[cinder cloak]

you can also use an item control port to easily control which is going to where

[cedar phoenix]

all of it
from Ferrium + Originium to HC Batteries, but only 0.66/min, else you'll end up using too much resources

[storm garnet]

steel is already grinded when you joink it, you just need to fit it

[cinder cloak]

wanted the belts to be a bit more visible at least

[tired shore]

yes

[storm garnet]

you are stealing the steel that is going for the steel bottles

[tired shore]

its a 100kJ buffer

[storm garnet]

no need to go back any further

ferrium doesn't even come up as a word for that new hc line

[cedar phoenix]

I would love to think about this thing more.. but I really need to go to sleep x)

can you tell me if (when) you end-up doing something cool with this idea ?

[tired shore]

nobody is gonna actually implement this

[cedar phoenix]

oh .. sad

[empty furnace]

im usually all for overefficiency for the sake of being ready for future content, but this whole thing doesnt seem like a future-proof setup lol

[cedar phoenix]

I would honestly, but not today
I need sleep

[tired shore]

maybe i do it for the luls

and then post into the the blueprint channels as the most efficient perfect base

[storm garnet]

i was doing the double 18/min thing already many days before getting in wuling

[cinder cloak]

it does have potential for saving facilities... buut in this example you're only outputing 30/min on both refined ores

[tired shore]

of course, this only matters cus we need an extra 0.66 batts/min

[storm garnet]

you need to try something like 10/min of each ore

[cinder cloak]

💀

[storm garnet]

at least below 15/min

that's the point

[tired shore]

na, mergers merge roundrobin its fine

i know its doable its just if anybody actually want to do it

[silver mesa]

Is it even worth it to still produce purple gear component when you already unlock the gold one?

[storm garnet]

ok, i finally understand what you guys are trying to do

you guys are nuts

just steal steel and call it a day, man

even with double fitting, it's just 40 energy

[cinder cloak]

wait setting it up

[storm garnet]

ideally, just 20 extra energy for fitting and that's it

and, well, yea, 50 for the grinder

wow

[empty furnace]

for me to care about saving energy itd have to be by the amount i overuse from 1 less battery usage which is currently like 500-ish

[storm garnet]

so 70 energy to make the extra hc

[empty furnace]

otherwise ur literally wasting ur time to gain nothing

[storm garnet]

wait, there is the extra packager too

[cinder cloak]

that's a 20/min per refined ore

[storm garnet]

i guess it's 50 too

[cinder cloak]

60/3

[storm garnet]

my point was not full belts lol

of ore

[true nebula]

what in the world XD

[cinder cloak]

well naturally the depot output will be clogged since they're being queued on the converger

[cinder cloak]

IT WAS @cedar phoenix'S IDEA I'M NOT CRAZY

[true nebula]

3x10/min multipurpose refiner

[true nebula]

crazy? I was crazy once

[storm garnet]

you did the reverse of what i asked

[cinder cloak]

wait sorry what was it?

ohhh

I see what you're saying

[storm garnet]

10-15/min ore

less than 30/min total on input ore

[empty furnace]

to limit ore belts down from 30/min you still need ore belts at 30/min being split to lower it. i dont think its possible to eliminate all ore belts that produce 30/min

[small totem]

btw, @storm garnet you do have 18/min battery and Buck capsule A factory?

[cinder cloak]

I think

[tired shore]

ok, so looking at the tables, we cant actually do much of this

cus we forgot that the ferrium consumption doesnt actually change

[cinder cloak]

wait are you saying 3 separate input belts into the refiner? or 3 separate output belts from the refiner?

[storm garnet]

.

[tired shore]

making extra 0.66 batts needs the same ferrium as 0.33 buck a

[storm garnet]

this is my stats, making 18.6 hc and 17.6 total food a

[tired shore]

so theres no room to mix there

[cinder cloak]

wait why am I even entertaining this idea, I need to reoptimize my valley 4

[storm garnet]

2 input, he just made 3 for this last version

[small totem]

Damn, you're using same amount of battery but getting more huh

how much exact power are you using btw?

[empty furnace]

all this work for a potential increase of 33k extra valley bucks worth of sellables that you cant even sell per day

[tired shore]

HOWEVER we can mix the buckpowder's 7.9 shredders needed with the sandleafs 11.1 total needed

[storm garnet]

but it's fun!

[tired shore]

saving a massive 5w!!!!!!

[true nebula]

one more zipline

or something

mark1 Miner

[storm garnet]

ok, stop distracting me, my xiranite is still not xiraniting

also, damn sandleaf still needs 2 planters

[small totem]

@storm garnet mb but how much power are you using in Valley ?

[storm garnet]

i have a few useless facilities, but between 5.4k and 5.7k

maybe less if i get rid of all useless ones

this is with 1 single essence farm spot with turrets on

the other spots have the turrets turned off

[empty furnace]

cant you just put batteries directly into the turrets so they arent eating power all day

[small totem]

then it seems i've more than enough power to wigle a little

[storm garnet]

if i don't get in the red, i don't see the need tbh. maybe in the future when i go full optimizing energy

[small totem]

as this is for me, haven't made Buck capsule C factory yet

[vapid dock]

Petition to add an alternate sandleaf recipe with water for wuling

[small totem]

currently using 5.16k from this

[empty furnace]

just give me the wuling version of sandleaf instead. wetleaf or some shit

[tired shore]

technically you can also share 1 sandleaf and 1 buckflower planting unit and seedpicker, for another 30w total saved

leading to 35w saved

[storm garnet]

just remove sandleaf from the game

[cedar phoenix]

Oh.. yeah now that you say it..

[teal hemlock]

does the pulse width modulation thing for thermal banks allows segmentation only in powers of two? like you can either deliver a battery to a bank every 2 or 4 or 8 or 16 seconds and so on? then combining the timings for each bank you work an average that fluctuates around your desired power supply?

[cinder cloak]

ayo

[storm garnet]

mmm, i could forgo a sandleaf loop and still have enough for an extra sandleaf powder shredder with my current setup

[random hornet]

Any number, with my setup though

[cinder cloak]

Andre: Why is the power constantly surging every half a minute?

[tired shore]

its very complex, see this discussion:#1467843941297684480 message

[true nebula]

where is this table from?

[tired shore]

we spent 3 days discussing and arguing to get a perfect 0 waste, 0 downtime setup

[storm garnet]

i'm going to make a blind shoot and mention this: splitters can split into 3

[paper magnet]

That's wild

[tired shore]

https://jambochen.github.io/endfield-calc/

[true nebula]

o ic

[paper magnet]

It's 3 weeks in and y'all managed to implement pwm in this game

[true nebula]

thanks

[tired shore]

out of all the random calcs on the internet, this was the best if found

[paper magnet]

[runic epoch]

Anything for the minmax

[storm garnet]

i'll save that to study later

[tired shore]

its very nice

[random hornet]

Tbh a pure delay-based generator is better than the pwm setup
In terms of protocol capacity

[storm garnet]

i'm fine with doing things just with windows calculator

[proven creek]

Did i turn it right 30 min for this btw

[tired shore]

??? theres a limit in the aic?

[runic epoch]

There's an item limit

[tired shore]

huh

[random hornet]

There's a facility limit across the entire map

[true nebula]

the 768?

[tired shore]

right, but thats outside the aic right?

[empty furnace]

i had a feeling you guys didnt realize that when you were doing that thing to gen 33k ungainable stock bills lol

[storm garnet]

i hate trying to copy some buildings and end up just moving them...

[runic epoch]

If you have too many things like splitters you'll end up hitting that limit

[tired shore]

til i guess

[true nebula]

aic counts, #aic-factory message

[teal hemlock]

ah right, so I suppose then 2 outlets = +2 seconds delay, while 3 outlets = +4 seconds delay ?

[proven creek]

I need stock bills asap im suck on our hot bad girl lol

[tired shore]

LMAO, guess ive done so much optimization that ive just never seen that

[empty furnace]

lol, ya but they were overengineering a setup that was making more items than they could sell

[dull night]

I’m making 12 wuling batteries and 6 yahzen syringe C every minute as well as 6 gear components

Some of my usage is higher than my yield and has been for about 10 days

Is this cause for concern or should I go business as usual? Factory only stalls sometimes but always automatically picks up when resources are available and never loses power

I’ve got a lot of space left in main core and an entirely empty space to work with in the other PAC

[runic epoch]

This will eat into your originium
You're gonna run out
And by extension xiranite

[proven creek]

Better that then my situation i dont even have for gear

[tired shore]

its an issue cus your powering more buildings, and using more batteries to do so

but like, not really if the outpost is sold out

[dull night]

I don’t think so. My originium stays mostly around cap and hasn’t dipped. For origocrusts I have a separate factory for those in on of my empty valley 4 zones and every day I transfer over the difference

[dull night]

You misread, I’m not losing power and I am below power consumption

[runic epoch]

Oh that's certainly interesting
But you will be straining yourself with xiranite and won't be able to sustain this

[tired shore]

the existance of those building not doing anything means you have more thermal banks

[true nebula]

wuling lot of space is normal

[tired shore]

those thermal banks need batteries

[dull night]

Would it help to show some things like my yield and usage?

[runic epoch]

Yes

[true nebula]

You can only do so much with 360 and 115, and 60

[loud jay]

I make so many goods I can't sell them all to the outpost. How do I get the outposts to generate money quicker (already have the best liaison)

[tired shore]

nope, nothing to do

[runic epoch]

Operating at 12/6/6 is pushing it with how limited xiranite is

[tired shore]

this is why all the "optimization" is all mostly pointless

[dull night]

After I sell everything, I am still always left with at least 20k batteries so that’s not an issue

[tired shore]

its impossible to do 12/6/6

[true nebula]

maybe do the Tower Defense mode for a temp bonus, or change the operator assigned to it

[tired shore]

the max you can do is batts and components trade off at 2:1

so 12 batts + 0 components, or 0 batts + 6 components

[dull night]

What specifically would you like to see so I can favourite it and add to top so I don’t have to send 4 screenshots

[runic epoch]

Just send your AIC report
I'm concerned at how you're achieving 12/6/6

[true nebula]

send a video of you scrolling through it fr

[dull night]

Okay 1 sec

[true nebula]

[runic epoch]

[storm garnet]

btw, the limit of facilities in the sub pacs also count anything outside the factory area but inside the outpost area, like the turrets used for defense

[true nebula]

I can't believe turrets in the subPAC area get disabled in the TD mode

[storm garnet]

actually, that could probably help me to get 1 or 2 more depot storages in wuling valley

[true nebula]

Lemme use 30 turrets fr

[runic epoch]

I personally don't think you'll hit that 768 cap unless you do something like a mega aio main AIC base

[storm garnet]

so there is a cap on the main aic?

oof

[empty furnace]

does anyone actually use easy stashes?

[runic epoch]

Next to the eco farms

[storm garnet]

i just hit the cap on refugee camp and stockade outposts

[empty furnace]

ya i guess thats one place it kinda makes sense

[vapid dock]

I have one that has decent repairs next to that bunny quest in the ravine in the science park that keeps making you get different plants

[storm garnet]

either farms or just quick depot access if you have energy nearby

you put it, use the depot, and bag it again

[vapid dock]

Usually the easy stashes are next to quest npcs

[runic epoch]

Oh you're running 9/6/2
That's a lot more reasonable

[vapid dock]

Like the guy that asks for citrine

[empty furnace]

its only 9/6/2 because hes running out of mats

i think

[runic epoch]

Case in point the unsustainability

[dull night]

I’m very confused because I’m seeing my usage on some
Things being higher than my yield, some can be explained for meta storage of ferrium ore and my manual transferring of origocrusts but I’m wondering why

[dull night]

Maybe something to do with me turning off my limiter on my gear production today because I was heavily artificing

It’s usually not like that

[vestal grove]

for Valley 4, I'm generating 6 batteries/min, 24/min of the medicines which puts me at the edge of 1080/min on ferrium ore, is this optimal?

[dull night]

I can turn it off and post again in 20 mins time to show if that would be better?

[empty furnace]

i think you can add another 6/min batteries and even the ferrium usage out completely

[storm garnet]

aaaah, i just noticed i fucked up my meme xiranite lines

they are less meme that i wanted

[true nebula]

How are you using your OOre and AOre?

usually most ppl do 18/min CapA, 18/min HC, (CapC/bottles)

[hidden temple]

6/min batts are used up for power, so you're selling 24 buckAs per min
you can do 18/min batts and 18/min buckAs to sell 30/min of both total
it's selling 24/min vs 30/min since they have the same sell value

[true nebula]

and there's 18.33 17.67 if you wanna really minmax #1466043358509273349

[dull night]

This is my valley 4

[storm garnet]

well, if i went full meme, i would need 2 extra facilities, which defeats the point

[vestal grove]

damn im way off, thank you very much for the help!

[empty furnace]

i think the point is meming and that it would add to the point

[storm garnet]

but look at this mess already

[dense mortar]

good news, I have core AIC in wuling max expansion, bad news, only 1 bus slot upgrade and IDK how or what to build there

[storm garnet]

i would have to almost double that

[dense mortar]

seems that xiranite is 100% my hold up though as ofc it is

[dull night]

Don’t worry lol it took me ages to figure it out and as you can tell by my questions here tonight I am also confused about my wuling factory Lmao

[hidden temple]

spam planter setups lol, stash carbon, dust, plants, and seeds

[empty furnace]

put them down the middle so you can use both sides, double the unloader real estate! should be enough for what wuling allows you to produce anyways

[dull night]

By the way for those who were answering me a min ago, my setup managed to run smoothly while making me about 10k gear components and is still going without any shutdown at all

That’s the confusing part. I assumed some yield/usage disparity would show itself but it never does

[empty furnace]

but how many of your machines are asleep at any given time 🦝

[dull night]

All I need to do to regulate slightly is turn off components

[dull night]

Not that many I think

[storm garnet]

1:35 am. still haven't eaten lunch. but the factory must be optimized

[empty furnace]

um....lunch was 2 meals ago

[dull night]

The only thing I actually wait for is gear components because I have to manually move origocrusts for steady production

[storm garnet]

exactly

[empty furnace]

and yes midnight snack is a meal

[dense mortar]

Oh carbon is def the holdup. Even w 2 carbon lines going it's nowhere close to enough

[runic epoch]

Depends on how you setup the lines to produce those items
100% uptime would definitely strain your resources
In your case xiranite is your limiting factor

[vapid dock]

It will never shutdown but is never really at full efficiency. 12/min battery and 6/min components is 4 outgoing xiranite belts or 120/min. The belts just balance themselves out into 15/min per belt.

[dull night]

See I agree about the xiranite being a limiting factor but I actually don’t know where it is limiting me

[runic epoch]

In operating at max capacity 😭

[dull night]

Is it just my gear components?

[empty furnace]

right, the things that use xiranite are soon going to be asleep a lot because i saw you only had 1k left in your reserves of that and you were overusing. and most people aim for the number of sleping machines to be 0 at all times

[dull night]

I mistakenly used xiranite to pay my wuling bills lol

[empty furnace]

for xira products, you can have 2 lines being used. so 1 battery maker setup+1 gear component setup or 2 battery setups

[runic epoch]

He's gonna be experiencing the xiranite drought that wuling is facing real soon

[dull night]

However I’ve done this before and woke up with even more while factory still runs

This is what’s bothering me

Every morning every resource is higher

[hidden temple]

are you using wuling plants for xiranite production? just 1 wuling plant setup (2 facilities) supplies enough carbon for 1 xiranite production line without deficit

[dull night]

No matter what

[vapid dock]

Itll eventually balance itself out into 6 batteries/min and 3 components/min

[storm garnet]

nice looking sandleaf setup i did for the originium cubes for batteries

[true nebula]

if we could have unlimited skyforge we could fix the xiranite shortage fr

[cinder cloak]

or 1 battery setup, and another battery and gear component setup running at half efficiency

[dull night]

It’s been almost 2 weeks when does this happen

[runic epoch]

Can we take a look at your production lines

[vapid dock]

Check the actual data not theoretical

[cinder cloak]

I'm planning to revert back to this, because max efficiency battery setup + yazhens are zeroing out the outpost anyways lol

and might need more gear components soon

[storm garnet]

you know, i might leave it at that...

[empty furnace]

something using those resources must be turning off a lot overnight or something. i just dont know how or why that would happen

[cinder cloak]

Yang Zhiguang walks up: Hello Endmin, how's the Xiranite reproduction going?
Pengmin: Hi, do you accept batteries?

[vapid dock]

We dont even sell anything to wuling, only to the stockade

[dull night]

A friend sent me ones from a YouTuber so I take no responsibility for them but I will share them as my questions are mostly because I want to learn how to do this properly myself

[dull night]

Give me 1 sec

[empty furnace]

respect

[dense mortar]

looks like my shredding units are the hold up...

[storm garnet]

when i saw the 1k xiranite quest i went full retard math and thought i would need 17 hours for it lol

[dull night]

I used YouTube ones because I needed mats but now I want to learn how to do it myself and if I don’t understand why things are and arent working I’ll never know

[cinder cloak]

well with my current yield, the outpost are zero on bills, I definitely have some extra batts I can sell to Wuling if they like

[storm garnet]

thank god i noticed

[hidden temple]

them being 1:2?

[dull night]

It’s mostly the yield usage thing that’s bothering me because I’m gaining every day despite supposed losses

[empty furnace]

tbf the stats ur reporting are confusing us as well lol

[storm garnet]

as in, an unfinished quest on my log, hell no

[inland perch]

Do u guys have a list of spots where redjade ginseng are located?

[empty furnace]

the eco farm on 20 plots 2 times a day

[vapid dock]

Use interactivr map

[empty furnace]

also theres a natural one in front of the eco farm fr

[dull night]

Type in database it tells you

[cinder cloak]

honestly no idea, I just mass grow them myself in the farm plot northwest of the Wuling AIC. there's an interactive map if you actually need to collect some

[dense mortar]

yep. Using buckflowers to grind into carbon

[hidden temple]

oof yeah that's super bulky
6 facilities vs just 2

[vapid dock]

Just send a screenshot of your aic report

[inland perch]

Oki cuz i only made 10 plots tryna get to 20

[cinder cloak]

okay what's next again

[runic epoch]

@vapid dock

[dense mortar]

I was using this build https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1467717814164000858

oh replied to wrong person

[empty furnace]

if you cant find enough now, at least you know when those 10 harvest youll have more than enough for the rest lol

[runic epoch]

24 medicine c
Optional

[storm garnet]

this is like "you are not saved, just under new management" type of energy

[cinder cloak]

that's 4 filling units right?

[runic epoch]

Yea

[cinder cloak]

godamn I gotta repace some stuffs

[storm garnet]

or whatever was the quote

[hidden temple]

I see, it is indeed outdated

[runic epoch]

Nah that's fine
It's optional

18/18 is more than plenty

[empty furnace]

optional in this sense means unsellable btw

[dull night]

I did

[dense mortar]

oh 💔

[cinder cloak]

I want those outposts numbers go down to zero

[vapid dock]

Looked at it, isnt it correct? It balanced itself out to 9 batteries/min and 2 components/min

[cinder cloak]

even if it means I have extra supplies

[runic epoch]

It's just to make your AIC report look pretty

[paper magnet]

You could make 24/min medicine C

[empty furnace]

fair lol

[vapid dock]

Need to look at again

[dense mortar]

is there a global server build you recommend?

[vapid dock]

Screen small

[paper magnet]

ORRRRRRR you could contribute to the infinite weapons production on Talos by building explosives

[storm garnet]

make 12/min of each one. 24/min fills in 55 hours if it's just 1 type

[dull night]

I can send video again when it’s back working (just turned of my gear production so it’ll take 10-15 mins to regulate)

[uncut rock]

What should I be using my 2 sky forges in wuling for?

[tired shore]

net and I both have blueprints thats 5.75 syringes, + your choice of batteries vs components

[empty furnace]

is your second forge pumping xiranite out directly into a packaging unit and a gearing unit? cuz thats fine, thats just a half+half and now i understand why your xira doesnt deplete overnight

[tired shore]

just check the blueprints channels

[hidden temple]

sorry I'm not very acquainted with blueprints, I think there'll be some decent ones at either the pins or #1461542035617091681 ?
tho here is my setup, I'm in asia so I can't share it

[storm garnet]

both forges should make 30/min xiranite, 60 total, most of the time

the differences come after that

[tired shore]

most? all of the time

[storm garnet]

no, fertilizer

if you are a loser farmer

loser

farmer

[empty furnace]

oh shit

i do that

[storm garnet]

loser

[empty furnace]

so i guess i laughed for no reason im the dummy

[storm garnet]

:P

[dull night]

My AIC report shown was with my gear component running, is that it?

[tired shore]

the hasent been enough time to max out on xiranite products to not be making 60/min for all time

[dull night]

Because every day I wake up and I have more xiranite than when I went to bed

[vapid dock]

Your usage is only 55/min out of the 60/min

[empty furnace]

for the overuse of xira ya. and the overuse of ferrium we all know is just natural. i didnt bother to see why your origicrust was overused, but you said you had that handled with manual transfer anywys

[hollow sentinel]

KyoStinV's design maximizes production for Wuling to insane degree

[storm garnet]

you see this? this is just to look like a loser, but i'm actually not a loser cause it's turned off

[vapid dock]

Something in your setup is hiccuping the belt output

Thats why you have a surplus of xiranite

[empty furnace]

oh i didnt notice that

[dull night]

Yes I have an AIC In V4 covering origocrusts so I manually handle that every morning

[storm garnet]

ok, i'll stop saying loser

[pliant burrow]

https://youtu.be/JEc3xgDUOX8?si=fhUwfzHkG0fm46f6

I use his

[tired shore]

kyos is fine yeah

[empty furnace]

go back to meme xiranite

[dull night]

This is what I’m using, but myself and everyone here is so confused lol

[storm garnet]

i'm done. kinda

[hollow sentinel]

You need maxed Valley 4 to not be in deficit

[storm garnet]

what bothers me now is the 2.18k/2.4k energy

[hollow sentinel]

Development level 12 to be specific

[dull night]

I’m max everything everywhere

[storm garnet]

too much room to do stuff and nothing to do

[empty furnace]

nah it honestly seems fine to me. at least until your components are capped, then you just move it all over to full double batteries and itll all even out

[storm garnet]

should i just fill the depot with all carbon types

[empty furnace]

oh right that bit. i wonder whats causing it

[vapid dock]

Yeah seems like something is just wrong with the factory itself

[winged cedar]

How much is the maximum pre yield in Wuling ? I’m at 310 Originium and 90 ferrium

[dull night]

Yeah atm im only using it to build the components I can afford with stock bills to artifice and then turning it off to regain then switching on overnight when I need etc

[dull night]

That’s max

[hollow sentinel]

360 originium and 90 ferrium

[winged cedar]

360 ?!

[hollow sentinel]

Yes

[dull night]

Wait this is right

[tired shore]

everybody misses the hidden wall fog

[vapid dock]

@dull night screenie was from your vid btw

[dull night]

90 ferrium is max but you can meta transfer ferrium ore every hour to balance off

[winged cedar]

Are there mines in that fog or smth is that tied to a mission ?

[storm garnet]

here, at the south

[dull night]

Which one sorry?

[storm garnet]

50/min

[tired shore]

metatrasfering ore is suboptimal btw

[empty furnace]

you think its this here?

[winged cedar]

Thank you so much

[vapid dock]

This one

[hollow sentinel]

Trolly wall fog mining spot

[storm garnet]

there is a fake wall

[dull night]

Yes I think this is because of me building gear

[vapid dock]

Real data is only using 55/min thats why you have a surplus of xiranite

[dull night]

It’s been a while let me check if it improved now I turned my limiter on

[tired shore]

you want to transfer ferrium parts, cus if your gonna clone items, why clone the ore and not the refined, fitted, parts?

[winged cedar]

Best way is to go to Dijiant ctrl change depots quick stash repeat

[runic epoch]

Oh what is this reactor crucible even going into

[empty furnace]

i think this is the issue of your xiranite being at 55 usage instead of 60. not sure but thats 2 lines but the top line is going where exactly?

[vapid dock]

How or why thats happening is whatever is going on in your factory

[empty furnace]

like its being made into liquid xiranite and pumped into a fluid tank

but why

[storm garnet]

reactors shouldnt have any belt coming out if it's not making fertilizers

[dull night]

Yahzen solution I think

[vapid dock]

Ignore theoretical data

[runic epoch]

Splitting xiranite into an empty crucible 😭

[hollow sentinel]

Are you talking about metastroage transfering to Wuling?

[winged cedar]

So like the max set up profit wise is 2 battery 1 serynge and wait for 1.1 right ?

[tired shore]

yeah

[empty furnace]

click open that top reactor crucible let me see whats going on inside it

[hollow sentinel]

So you are going to use more ports for the same result?

[tired shore]

1 ore makes 1 part

your using the same ports

[storm garnet]

wait, why even react xiranite if not for fertilizers anyways. also my bad, fertilizers are in forges

[runic epoch]

Oh I think it's filling a fluid tank for liq xiranite for blight purposes

[empty furnace]

also for fertilizer pruposes

[vapid dock]

Theoretical data is just a suggestion in wuling we out here scraping the bottom of the barrel foe full xiranite use

[hollow sentinel]

This is currently the best way to limit the ferrium usage to 115/hr so you dont run out or overuse

[dull night]

Worth mentioning I’m dyspraxic and my mental coordination is a bit wonky so sometimes I lose track of things and while I do have notebooks detailing it all I sometimes forget lol. I just want to understand it more so I can break it down into a formula I can memorise

[storm garnet]

you have more than enough for blight with like 100-150 bottles

[runic epoch]

He won't be able to get fertiliser since both of the forges are occupied

[empty furnace]

no worries

[dull night]

Sorry if my questions have been confusing, I’m trying to learn and I appreciate all the help lol

[empty furnace]

i dont wanna think about that lol

[empty furnace]

not at all

[hollow sentinel]

NO worries. Factory system is very indepth and complex

[storm garnet]

making fertilizer is a quick thing you do for a bit, not something you leave a forge on

[winged cedar]

I just manually made 100 and said gg, have the pylon for that turned off

[dull night]

This my first ever gacha never mind factory game lol

[hollow sentinel]

💀

[dull night]

You wanna see what I’m doing with the top reactor?

[empty furnace]

yes

[hollow sentinel]

This is my 8th gacha I am adding to my daily play list

[runic epoch]

That's fine if the forge system isn't built into the battery and gear lines 😭

[tired shore]

factory system is like, up to green science in factorio complexity

[dull night]

1 sec

[hollow sentinel]

Hehehe

[vapid dock]

Idk man im on my phone i cant properly look at builds rn

[storm garnet]

it has to though

[vapid dock]

I just look at the report

[empty furnace]

no worries, i think im getting close lol.

[storm garnet]

you can't have extra forges

[ornate frigate]

Delete HSR, man

[dull night]

I played destiny rising as my only other gacha but that doesn’t count I only played that because I’m a destiny vet of 10+ years

[runic epoch]

Yea I meant
He has his forges chained into the production lines

[storm garnet]

delete hoyo

[ornate frigate]

Only thing good in that game is Proi Proi

[dull night]

While I’m on that topic is this game as generous as it seems??

[hollow sentinel]

My beloved Acheron though

[storm garnet]

this is what i do for the fertilizer, i posted it a bit earlier

wrong pic

[winged cedar]

I finally did after so many years, sick of being sold a couple cool moments per year for 100’s of hours of gameplay

[empty furnace]

this is my first gacha and im looking forward to the seven deadly sins one in march. i dont want to add old ones that i didnt day 1 to my list tho

[ornate frigate]

I weep for the departed (bro became available for the limited 5* selection)

[storm garnet]

this is the pic

[hollow sentinel]

S6E1 btw

[ornate frigate]

114/min is painful

[storm garnet]

i was only a loser 1 day btw

[hollow sentinel]

Funnily enough it is perfect amount with mining+metastorage

[storm garnet]

i did the whole thing, then said never again

[ornate frigate]

Make it 115/min frfr

[hollow sentinel]

😭

[empty furnace]

listen, if i like to grab poop with my hands and stuff it into a sky forge, thats my fucking right as an endfield operator

[winged cedar]

Is there a difference ? Like is there an issue being at 120

[hollow sentinel]

Ferrium deficit

[runic epoch]

By 5/min 😭

[hollow sentinel]

The most amount of Ferrium you can possible have per hour is 115 in wuling

[winged cedar]

Well yeah, but that’s inevitable right

[hollow sentinel]

This is for minmaxing production

[winged cedar]

Isn’t the yield 90?

[runic epoch]

Yeap

[hollow sentinel]

Add in the numbers from metastorage transfer

1500 per hour

[winged cedar]

Ohhh that okay

Mb

[hollow sentinel]

Yeah this is pure minmaxing

KyoStinV my goat

[winged cedar]

Yeah, I’m fine going at 75% speed on the medicine ig

[storm garnet]

even 60/min ferrium is enough to get the tickets you need for the outpost, so it's ok

i just wish there was something better to transfer

the better things are just too expensive

[winged cedar]

I’m being able to max it so I’m kinda chilling, slightly annoying that they didn’t give us that much when they clearly knew the numbers

[hidden temple]

just commit to 100%, you'll be restocking for a minute every 7 days

[storm garnet]

as in, not worth it compared to just raw ore

[winged cedar]

How so ?

[hidden temple]

item cap is 48k, it take 6.6 days to deplete at a 5/min ferrium deficit
manually transfer ferrium from valley at the dijiang to stock it back up

[hollow sentinel]

That sounds insanely annoying

[dull night]

@vapid dock @runic epoch

So this is basically doing nothing right?

[hidden temple]

literally takes a few secs lol, and once a week

[winged cedar]

I kinda don’t wanna touch my Valley IV set up after the amount of time it took me to make it perfect .. specially when it’s not needed for maxing bills … like totally cool to do that but I can’t be asked

[tired shore]

this is a dumb argument. syringes/drinks only cost ferrium, water, and power

[dull night]

Ignore the downward pipe, I added to try figure out myself and removed after screenshot

[tired shore]

if you want to manualy transfer stuff, just make 100/min production of syringes and transfer the ferrium

[winged cedar]

Well the argument is 25% more syringes ig

[runic epoch]

Yea

[dull night]

So should I be piping this somewhere?

[tired shore]

Wow those 6.6 days can be finished in a few min!

[dull night]

Because that’s a xyranite sink right?

[ivory ice]

what is the maximum input of originium ores for valley 4? I saw some ppl getting around 540 while mine is only 520

per min

[runic epoch]

560

[winged cedar]

Check if you maybe didn’t disconnect smth

[dull night]

Rule of thumb if you see people with more, you’re not at max

[dull night]

Me?

[cinder cloak]

4 filling units of citrone [C] needs 120/min usage on citrone right? or am I mathing wrong

[winged cedar]

No no, Velore

[ivory ice]

ye thats why im wonmdering whats the max

[dull night]

I get you buddy

[hidden temple]

sorry I'm not following
the idea is that you can run the 4 ferrium unloaders without much management aside from the weekly transfer

[dull night]

What does yes mean 😭😭

[tired shore]

my point is that if you want to do manual stuff, just fill your entire base with syringe makers and ferrium unloaders

[runic epoch]

As far as I'm aware kyostin also doesn't use that reactor crucible for anything