aic-factory

[cunning obsidian]

quick and dirty version that preserved my sanity

[fossil spoke]

anyway @tired shore its still pwm but the cycle is stable ?

isnt the 180s the cycle time tho ?

i mean

the interval

[cunning obsidian]

oh and psa if you do splitters directly against the output of a building the building won't use that route unless its the only route

[fossil spoke]

elaborate

[tired shore]

yeah, its still pwn, but instead of adding bits to get inconsistent (but correct averaged) internals, this is a consistant interval

[trim star]

dude just use dige

there's a reason it's optimal

[tired shore]

dige isnt optimal

this is what im pointing out

[trim star]

it is as close as you can get to optimal

[tired shore]

nope. factually false

[trim star]

they offer multiple solutions that dont take 10 years to get

[cunning obsidian]

see screenshot, move the packager one tile up so its against the splitters, it will only output to the rightmost belt

[tired shore]

#1467843941297684480 message

see my post

[trim star]

as well as allowing you to edit mathematically how close you are to failure

[fossil spoke]

so because the interval is 180s

and the power we need left from the stable is 355

355 x 180 = 63900

and per battery is

40s x 1600 = 64000

it will not reach the 0% reserve

[tired shore]

<1w wasted. dige says no solutions

[cunning obsidian]

it's really wierd behavior

wtf is dige

[fossil spoke]

i mean its good, but i hope starficz can make the solution more universal or smth

[spring elm]

I have a sub pac exclusively used for thermal banks(got 25 running) and I use a lot of splitters..gonna have to go in and check that out since a few are directly against some output slots.

[tired shore]

eh, we will see if i care enough

[trim star]

is that another bit calculator

jesus christ

[tired shore]

the normal people can just use dige and waste 20-30w

[cunning obsidian]

it might be more specific or inconsistent

[fossil spoke]

i mean, if u can give better solution....., but yeah its ur choice

[trim star]

it depends on the resonance

[cunning obsidian]

but i had that issue when setting up the system i screenshotted

[trim star]

closer you get to the upper limit the less precise it will be

[cedar phoenix]

25 thermal banks is.. a lot

[tired shore]

im just pointing out that better solutions with near 0 wastage exist, and dige doesnt, in fact, give them to you

[fossil spoke]

the interval is exact tho

[trim star]

this is true

i agree

[fossil spoke]

so if the needed power is below the battery power, it will never reach 0 reserve

[spring elm]

You should see my relay tower network. I only use connections from the Core PAC 😛

[delicate flax]

im now 7.8k units away from fillin all areas i can in wuling with liquid xiranite

[rough crow]

?

whats causing it

[tired shore]

its cus dige doesnt make any loopback splitters, and only calculates from 2x /3x splitters

so the sums it has to work with is way way lower then actually possible

[grizzled osprey]

what's dige

[fossil spoke]

tbh, im still doesnt understand the loopback splitters

[trim star]

something tells me the math is off

[trim star]

you know how you're routing a split lane back to the original converger with dige

that's a loopback

it's identical

[tired shore]

a loopback splitter is just a splitter the loops back some of its split lanes back into the input instead of to storage

[fossil spoke]

oh

[void lake]

Are there any small blueprints for like capsule thingies and batteries 💔 i cant find any in the blueprint thingy..

[grizzled osprey]

just link me to the thread if any, wth is dige

[tired shore]

leading to the ability to make a 1/x splitter, where x is any number

[fossil spoke]

its different ?, i mean if we supplying the input from the loopback vs from the system

isnt that the same ?

[trim star]

yeah but that's the issue you can only make a very close approximate answer to any number

[fossil spoke]

since converger prefer the belt and the system wouldnt give batt since the converger prioritize the loopback

[trim star]

and you can only get exact splitters to n where n is a factor of 2, 3

[trim star]

it's good enough

[rough crow]

anyone know how to fix this

[trim star]

just not as good as what you're saying

[ancient zinc]

Trying to place Wuling units to valley?

NO NO NO

[tired shore]

this is exactly my issue. With loopback splitters you can in fact get any x. dige doesnt do this

[rough crow]

im using blueprints

[grizzled osprey]

You can only place a maximum of two forges of the sky

[trim star]

ok hold on

[fossil spoke]

uhhh, i need explanation where did 1 2 and 6 come from

[trim star]

so what you're saying is you are going to make something similar to a x/n splitter right

there's a fundamental issue with that

[fossil spoke]

and the initial split, why its a must ?

[ancient zinc]

Neither you copy a BP with Forge of sky that ur trying to place on Valley

[tired shore]

ie: think about a 5 way splitter. with just 2/3 way splitters its not possible. but what if you make a 6 way splitter, and loop one of the output lanes back into the input lane? then you get 1/5 way splitter!

[cedar phoenix]

either you try to place a 3rd (or 2nd if you don't have the tech for it) Forge of the sky in Wuling, or you try to place something from Wuling in Valley

or something similar

[trim star]

it's because of splitter round robin

the rate at which the thermal bank receives batteries is nonconstant

if the result caps the energy once the setup will not work as intended

[tired shore]

no, its not a x/n. x/n still has issues with syncing. its a 1/n splitter. this is consistant

[nova lodge]

Devs: provides splitter for ease of use for the players.
players: turns splitters into a mini in-game computer timer for power generators.

[trim star]

yeah that be how it is

[trim star]

explain in steps

[grizzled osprey]

what's dige tho

[fossil spoke]

tbh, this is kinda false imo

[rough crow]

Im in wuling

[fossil spoke]

adding splitter

is not simplifying anything

[grizzled osprey]

This thing?

[fossil spoke]

no

thats 12 bit

[trim star]

how is looping back a splitter to the input resulting in any divergent calculation from the original

[fossil spoke]

dige is https://dige.aunly.cn/?lang=en

[grizzled osprey]

How many bits is dige

Alright lemme see

[trim star]

dige is just a clock calculation

[cedar phoenix]

with this kind of blueprint, you easily reach facility limit xD

[trim star]

using simple 1/x and burn time

[ancient zinc]

Screenshots the BP layout

[fossil spoke]

thats why dige exist, since u didnt need to build that much of splitter

[hidden temple]

wtf that's huge, so we have a way to detect overflow

I tested it with ori into a shredder, 3 lane output with 1 having a splitter
it still used all 3 lanes, but when I swapped the splitter into a converger it only used 2 until the 2 lanes clogged

[fossil spoke]

but now @tired shore found a better solution in term of waste

[grizzled osprey]

people really went hardcore

[fossil spoke]

we can minimize it further (waste power)

[trim star]

im having trouble understanding why it's any different from input 1/2s

because the theory is literally identical

[grizzled osprey]

do logistics units even count towards facility limit tho

[trim star]

yeah

[fossil spoke]

i instead curious with the loopback and the initial split

[trim star]

they stack up really fast

[cedar phoenix]

they do

[cunning obsidian]

interesting, i suspect this is non consistent behavior though

[grizzled osprey]

Ohh

[fossil spoke]

all that converger, splitter, bridge, control, is counted toward limit

[rough crow]

ill try different one and check

[ancient zinc]

[tired shore]

here, let me just show you.

[grizzled osprey]

At least this stuff is still keeping me interested in the factory

[hidden temple]

yeah, turns a belt which counts as 1 into 2 belts+logistic

[tired shore]

left is 9 way splitter. right is 7 way splitter

[trim star]

that's not correct

you dont have maximum throughput

[tired shore]

if you take 1 lane from right, its a consistant 1/7 spliiter

[tired shore]

this is why we start with 1/4s

[trim star]

so you're halving the rate to halve the bits

[ancient zinc]

Ya all are way too hardcore when it comes to stretching energy

[trim star]

what if the x goes over half the bits

[tired shore]

see initial split

[fossil spoke]

this happens because akef factory mode is too limiting imo

so player always found a way

to optimize things

[trim star]

i thought i said that earlier that the closer you get to the upper limit the less precise you can be

[ancient zinc]

I’m not build for those stretches things..

[tired shore]

thus, if we start with 1/4s rate, we can get any 1/x splitter where x >=2 after that

[grizzled osprey]

They found a way to animate bad apple... Was that necessary?

[fossil spoke]

i mean in factorio, it has complex things too, but since its a "factory" game at the core, it has building / facilites / logistic that can help with that

[fossil spoke]

I KNEW IT

is it the belt one or the control belt one

[trim star]

so you're saying you need multiple calculators where drain > recovery from one battery yeah

[grizzled osprey]

Control

[fossil spoke]

coz i saw both

[ancient zinc]

If nothing else to do..why not

[grizzled osprey]

there's one with belts?

[rough crow]

maybe i see why 🐴

[fossil spoke]

yeah, imagine the time it take to swap the items

[tired shore]

yeah, cus im only using one splitter and bank in my example

[trim star]

alr

looks fine then if less than half are added back

might still mess up because converger logic but it'll work

[tired shore]

if you use 2 like dige is currently doing, but instead have them be loopback splitters

then you get way more precision

[fossil spoke]

the question is, can we improve dige with initial split

and loopback

[trim star]

no

[tired shore]

(yes, but im not gonna code it)

[trim star]

dige assumes 0.5/s throughput always

[nova lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/amen-gif-23345354

all about splitters:

and they say factory building in AKendfield is easy.

[ancient zinc]

If u haven’t unlock other tech which allows u to have 2/2 Forge

Ur at limit that ur using

Now the BP u copy had extra Forge.

[tired shore]

its not like you cant change this assumption lol

[trim star]

you can yeah but then you get messy with the drain > recovery cases

where you'd need an overwhelming amount of space just to calculate a theorectical optimum rate

[fossil spoke]

make a pr, maybe they only give LGTM comment XD

[trim star]

at that point just save

[fossil spoke]

😭

[trim star]

i think that's the case for most scenarios

convenience and space efficiency > true optimization

[buoyant ocean]

Is it a bug?

[tired shore]

the real answer is to not bother with any of this crap

[trim star]

exactly

[fossil spoke]

but im interested 😭

[trim star]

nothing stopping you from running 4.5/s battery and losing 300 batteries a day

you're overcapping the bases anyways

why have extra

lol

[ancient zinc]

Sheesh

[fossil spoke]

uhhh why not ?

[tired shore]

pention the devs to change the power system to be like factorio

[fossil spoke]

[grizzled osprey]

I'm just interested, not really gonna use it

[vestal tiger]

What is issue comrade

[fossil spoke]

AGREEE

[trim star]

do you want me to explain it as best i can rq

[tired shore]

and only consume resources when power is actually needed

[fossil spoke]

AND PLS ADD THE GRAPH JUST LIKE FACTORIO

YEAH

[trim star]

cause it isnt the strangest thing

ok

[fossil spoke]

start with the initial loop

why its needed

i mean

initial split

[buoyant ocean]

nothing comes out of the right path, bro

[trim star]

alright

so

[fossil spoke]

[trim star]

dige calculations are based on maximum throughput, so 1/2s

if you are able to reduce the rate at which batteries enter the loop, say 1/4s, you are able to add "excess" to the belt later down the line

right

[fossil spoke]

uhh

the excess of the battery for belt down the line ?

[trim star]

think about it rq

[vestal tiger]

Is the right path thing a splitter or convergers
What's the left path one?

[trim star]

if you split a lane two ways and converge the two lanes you get the original lane right

[fossil spoke]

yeah

[trim star]

yeah that's the idea

[vestal tiger]

What is dige

Battery edging?

[trim star]

a calculator for battery usage

yeah

[vestal tiger]

Oo

[grizzled osprey]

Edging is interesting

[trim star]

so now let's say you have a 1/4s and you base your calculations off of that

now instead of sending back to the converger which will clog, giving you the maximum rate, the converger will instead never clog

[vestal tiger]

Love the witchcraft
Got wuling battery to like 1/min
One Thermal bank gets 1/3 battery a min

[buoyant ocean]

Right is green

[ancient zinc]

Would be Grea if he removed other line belt and use spitter to make 1 belt which 1 send to shredder 1 send to prostash

[trim star]

unless the rate at which you throw back batteries is higher than half the split

[hidden temple]

wtf is this logic? why is the bridge influencing which outputs are used?

[fossil spoke]

uuhh, the one sent back is the other 1/4 ?

from the initial split ?

[trim star]

right so you send back 1/4s initally

[vestal tiger]

Maybe bug
Use a splitter on the left path and delete the right one

[trim star]

so you now have a lane with half throughput

that's what you're using to start the loop

[fossil spoke]

yeah 1/4

[vestal tiger]

Okayyy that's interesting

[fossil spoke]

whats the difference with just adding 2 way splitter in the beginning and conjoined them all

[buoyant ocean]

I want get 2/1

[trim star]

because now you're free to add back items into the loop

[buoyant ocean]

Got it, but this is funny

[fossil spoke]

can i just say converger is merger

[trim star]

sure

[fossil spoke]

coz its more simple

[vestal tiger]

No use
You need one lane to sustain infinite plant loop

[fossil spoke]

so the component will be

merger, splitter (initial), splitter, splitter, splitter ?

and the initial feed back to the merger ?

[trim star]

you send to depot half from the initial split

this requires automation core or a loader

because again cant use excess power

[vestal tiger]

I do this. What you think

[fossil spoke]

give me a min

to boot the game

[trim star]

my experience tells me this breaks

[vestal tiger]

How so

[tired shore]

you need buffers

[trim star]

because converger next to splitter

[tired shore]

^

[vestal tiger]

Ja that is intentional

[tired shore]

convergers have no built in buffers, you need at least 1 belt before input, 2-3 for safety

[trim star]

well if it works in 1/2 it should be fine with converger logic

[vestal tiger]

What's buffer do

[trim star]

makes it so your converger works "as intended" as to say

[vestal tiger]

What buffer is like?

[trim star]

cause machines will send to a converger after a belt in all situations

[vestal tiger]

Ooo that's interesting

Converger has more weight

[buoyant ocean]

this is a simple blueprint for crafting parts for factories. I solved problem

[trim star]

so within a 2s period

[fossil spoke]

@disq my laptop just died

[trim star]

if there is a belt with an item going to a converger

[fossil spoke]

uhh, wait

[trim star]

and a machine that also wants to feed into that converger

it will ALWAYS take from the belt

[vestal tiger]

The splitter sends to converger more apparently

[trim star]

no the issue is the splitter doesnt send to the converger

[fossil spoke]

bruh

[trim star]

in that case it's fine

btw

cause it's just one

i did check how that worked before

[buoyant ocean]

that's how it's meant to be

[grizzled osprey]

So the thermal bank to the left here is made to run at 55% efficiency right? I'm still tryna understand this stuff

[trim star]

half it

[grizzled osprey]

27%?

[trim star]

something like that

[grizzled osprey]

What'd I do wrong

[vestal tiger]

So
Belt input over machine input if they are competing?

[trim star]

assume batteries arrive in the splitter chain at a rate of 1/4s because of the initial split

[tired shore]

40/180 eff, so 22.22%

[trim star]

indeed

this is more because belts (and belt bridges? i think?) are tickless while convergers/splitters/machines must work on ticks

[vestal tiger]

Direct machine input (like right next to the machine) or belt that arrive from machine with no transmutations?

[trim star]

actually idk about belt bridges

they cheat really hard

[vestal tiger]

I see

[trim star]

lemme send an image of a failed balancer rq

so this guy

if you look at it, there's a splitter (marked red) pointing towards the converger (marked blue) which also has a belt going to it on the same tick (marked green)
the converger will always want to take the belt input first, preventing the splitter from splitting into that lane, forcing the splitter into a 1/2 splitter instead of a 1/3

[vestal tiger]

Wa

How
Euclidating

[trim star]

ive been calling this converger bug because it's always screwed with my systems but it's not really a bug it's just how the machines work every x seconds

[tired shore]

yeah, if you just build them and stare at the animations you will see really weird behavior

[vestal tiger]

So in this case
The Right converger will want to take the belt over the splitter when there are stuff on belt
Making th splitter 1/2 instead of 1/3

[trim star]

no lie i have no idea what the directions are but yes

[vestal tiger]

Mean if I remove the belt it might keep the normal of 1/3

Okie

[trim star]

this will happen

but if there's nothing on the belt then it doesnt matter

lol

typically cause batteries are super slow (1/10s) it'll be fine if it's just after a packaging unit

only gets super weird when you start filling everything

honestly it's probably possible to use this interaction to make really stupid rate timers but i aint gonna do that

[grizzled osprey]

Yeah ok my calculations matched

[trim star]

tbh i usually overpower my factories by like 240 cause turrets and extra ziplines and whatever so we chill

[vestal tiger]

Hmm makes kinda sense

[trim star]

you can use this interactions to make bps that dont work :) but they work on your factory

[vestal tiger]

Thankeee

[grizzled osprey]

Oo

[rain tangle]

Is it generally better to produce the materials needed for an item in a separate factory and send them to storage or to have them directly on the same line of production?

[grizzled osprey]

Usually direct is better

[brazen whale]

if im planning to make a wulang battery farm/power plant would i need to have 2 dense origium to 1 steel part input?

[grizzled osprey]

I'd say only do wuling batteries separately cuz it's just easier than adjusting all the dense originum powder around the xiranite

[grizzled osprey]

3 to 1 iirc, just check ratio in recipe

[trim star]

wuling is just throw in xiranite and some cubes

there's no parts

[grizzled osprey]

O

[hollow sentinel]

Generally better to make self contained production

[grizzled osprey]

3 to one for cubes and xiranite right?

[trim star]

but yeah 3 lines of cubes and one full line of xiranite

[dusk willow]

What happens when you have a belt pass through a stash that is on? Does it store anything without a jam?

[brazen whale]

would it be easier to set a cube farm back in the valley and use the depot transfer then? I did read you would need a lot

[trim star]

i dont actually know what happens im pretty sure stash prioritizes sending items out vs wireless transfer because it restarts the timer every time it empties or smth

[trim star]

transfer is too slow

you have to make it on the spot

which isnt hard just go copy your machien from v4

[brazen whale]

I do have the blueprints from the server for the dense farm

[trim star]

then yeah it's chill

[crystal herald]

it stores anything that is left in the stash after 10 seconds and the rest will flow as normal

[grizzled osprey]

Alright thanks for helping with the battery edger stuff cya

[trim star]

time to launch endfield

[hollow sentinel]

Reminder that metastorage creates things out of thin air afaik

Transferring doesn't actually take things from the original AIC

It creates it from nothing

[brazen whale]

well i just realised i have 0 ogricrust poweder, then again it takes 2 seconds to make a batch

[trim star]

lol

just make them from scratch

the dense powder machine is super small

cause it's just one line of shredders and then the grinding unit

[brazen whale]

this is the one i got from the server, I know I can just easily add 2x refiners

[grizzled osprey]

Btw what's the inefficiency in dige?

[trim star]

me when im stacking

[trim star]

it actually tells you

it'll say +16 or whatever for power

[trim star]

yeah you want to split the shredder for the sandleaf to all three grinding units

for the cube

[grizzled osprey]

How does doing the 1/4 split help with making it better?

[trim star]

because instead of clogging when you send items back, it puts them properly back into the loop

[grizzled osprey]

Ah right the comvergers, alright

[trim star]

it's just a rate managing machine

[grizzled osprey]

Split main flow to avoid clog got it

[trim star]

so if you send 2/9 lanes back it'll be an uhhhh

idk

[brazen whale]

I do have a 3x farm from a blueprint shared, im just trying to "set up". I normally have like 20 hour breaks inebtween play from work etc

[trim star]

chill

[prime garden]

i ran out of power trying to make a new battery farm (including back up power) and even after stashing all of my facilities i still have no power, what do i do? ;-;

[grizzled osprey]

Get batteries from valley

Can use metastorage or just manually bring over a few stacks via dijiang

I hope the issue didn't occur in valley

[prime garden]

the region thats out of power is valley

yeah...

[grizzled osprey]

Lmao

Do you have wuling?

[trim star]

this number goes down by about 50k every day and i will be very happy if it ever hits 0

[prime garden]

i do

i only use up half the power over there

[trail vine]

just quickly put some originium into thermal banks

quickest way to power possible

[grizzled osprey]

You got the battery farm there running? Just snag a few batteries to get valley battery farm running

[prime garden]

will that be enough

ok ill just do both of these ideas, ty

[trail vine]

for just the start, probably

[crystal herald]

damn 2 battery production works for me

[grizzled osprey]

Originium won't let you jump to making HC batteries, it could work If you're doing lower level builds

Wuling batteries can give 3200 power with just two thermal banks so I'd say that's better

[trim star]

yeah im on 11/min

[crystal herald]

only if you have spare battery to empty the wuling stock market

[trim star]

chat if you want to optimize turrets do typed damage so if you say apply phys susceptibility your sentries will do more damage smile

[crystal herald]

hmmm.. then how do you have so much stockpile?

[trim star]

because i never capped it out before i let it run to like 1.25m

[grizzled osprey]

Tbf getting a few hundred just to jumpstart production won't hurt

[crystal herald]

oh u r talking the guy who runs out of battery in valley lol

my bad g

[grizzled osprey]

Yea lol

[crystal herald]

yea then that would be the only option lol

[willow beacon]

when would you ever need 3200 power in wuling lol

there's like nothing to build

[crystal herald]

i m thinking V2.0

after yvonne banner

[grizzled osprey]

Some guy ran Outta batteries in valley, I was telling him to use some there. Wuling just gets to like 2k power usage

[mint idol]

How do you run out of batteries in valley???? You should have a surplus

[trim star]

smile

[fossil spoke]

hey @trim star can I return to you later or smth bcoz I cant open my game rn

for the earlier explanation

[grizzled osprey]

Idk, messing around with his battery farm ig

[trim star]

chill

[fossil spoke]

aight thanks

[trim star]

what

didnt even know they could do that

[willow beacon]

?

do what

[trim star]

hit above +3

[grizzled osprey]

Do wat

They do

[willow beacon]

oh yeah i get 4/1/1 or 1/4/1 all the time

[fossil spoke]

only the 3rd line limited to +3

[frail scroll]

does anyone have a modular bp that i can run for a bit to stock up on random shit (origocrust, amethyst parts, etc...) for relays, pylons, drills, etc... lmao weird ask ik

[fossil spoke]

so its 6 6 3

[willow beacon]

i think he means natural drops

[grizzled osprey]

[fossil spoke]

ah

[trim star]

yeah natural drops

[crystal herald]

what

[fossil spoke]

we didnt know the actual limit tho for now

[crystal herald]

really?

I thought +3 is max in purple

[fossil spoke]

and they didnt give any statement about the natural drop limit

[trim star]

you can get +4 on the first two lines i guess

[fossil spoke]

is it purple or gold

[trim star]

it's gold

[fossil spoke]

+4 (total) is max on purple iirc

[trim star]

this is like farming

[crystal herald]

you get gold in natural drop?

[grizzled osprey]

By natural they mean non-etched

[fossil spoke]

natural drop means, the state the gold non etched

[crystal herald]

ahh

[willow beacon]

i got 4/1/1 last rite while just farming fodder to etch something else

complete accident

[trim star]

wacky

[fossil spoke]

lemme go through my ss to get one

[grizzled osprey]

[hidden temple]

what on talos is happening

[maiden pulsar]

Hello guys, i've simple calculating theory for Wuling Factory production. Especially the Xiranite output for 2 battery prod + 1 component
but i need help to check if it right or wrong.
do you mind if i share it here?

[grizzled osprey]

Artificing way more grindy than essences

[crystal herald]

how do you have so much sanity that you can pull essence by now alrd?

[willow beacon]

artificing lowkey useless

[fossil spoke]

this one is natural iirc

[trim star]

machines hate convergers

and will always send to a free belt

over a converger

[grizzled osprey]

Ofc. Literally the channel for that

[willow beacon]

?

game gives you like a shit ton

[trim star]

i dont know what happened to the third one

[willow beacon]

i have an essence for everyone on my team

[hidden temple]

unless the free belt has a bridge for some reason

[nova lodge]

can never have too many towers while farming.

[trim star]

i think that one just got really messed up so it sent to the converger first and got stuck

[crystal herald]

m still using purple lol

[willow beacon]

are you using engraving tickets

[grizzled osprey]

I dread the day I run Outta those ticket things that double loot

[crystal herald]

m trying to hit 4 lvl 90 atm

[willow beacon]

oh that's why you're so poor

level 90 takes a shit ton of resources

just go to 80 and promote then stop there

[crystal herald]

yea lol

[trim star]

my stats are so low

[grizzled osprey]

yeah only have 1

[midnight flume]

Anyone have a blueprint code for NA/EU for a 100% efficient buck capsule a factory that works? The one I found online says invalid sharing code.

[willow beacon]

supports only need to go to 60

[crystal herald]

is it better for me to farm essence or hit 90?

[willow beacon]

this team does more than fine

[willow beacon]

essence for sure

[grizzled osprey]

90 looks kewl

[crystal herald]

with engraving ticket?

[willow beacon]

yes

if you don't have ticket don't bother

use https://endfieldtools.dev/weapon-essence-solver/

[limpid shale]

I run out of stam thingy cause I got both yvonne and laev on gilb banner, like I got gilb on 120 pity but got the other two before hitting 120, so yah, I tried leveling two teams

[grizzled osprey]

I want li feng weap

[willow beacon]

check #1461542035617091681

[nova lodge]

still coping with 5* weapons.
doing decent i guess

[warm quartz]

need to level up region two more times to get max output,,

[crystal herald]

so what do you guys lock in second attribute?

[willow beacon]

depends on what else i'm farming

[grizzled osprey]

At least I'm better off

[trim star]

^

[willow beacon]

what team are you gearing

[trim star]

if i can hit two weapons at the same time it's chill

[grizzled osprey]

Have 3 optimal 6 star weaps for my team

[crystal herald]

like grand vision for example

[trim star]

for me sundering steel and valiant have the exact same lines

so im literally farming two of the same essence lol

[crystal herald]

you lock attack boost or infliction?

[trim star]

infliction cause infliction has more stuff

[willow beacon]

infliction because that farms like 4 things

if you lock infliction you have the choice of farming all these

[trim star]

im so weak

[willow beacon]

if you farm attack boost all you have is like purple junk

[willow beacon]

navigator and wedge both good for yvonne, clannibal good for wulf

you're forced to pick 3 main stats anyway, might as well maximize it

[grizzled osprey]

I pulled so many 6 stars from never rest banner but had to get never rest guaranteed

Too broke for moutain bearer

[willow beacon]

if you go power plateau you can also farm ardelia, wedge, and nova

[maiden pulsar]

Thank you
i see most of people use Control port (The problem is you still manually switch) or switching between Xiranite Component Production and 1 Wuling Battery Production.
Then i've seen the splitter method for PWM (got little understand)
so im thinking that how to keep making that 3 production going auto by adding splitter method to Xiranite Unloader
and my question, is this layout actually unload 1 Xiranite/16sec?

[willow beacon]

never rest is erm

very bad

it has good side weapons on the banner though

[grizzled osprey]

but my pog

[crystal herald]

🥲

[willow beacon]

thermite is better on him lol

[grizzled osprey]

Dammit fr?

My resources

I accidentally picked thermite on weapon selector anyway
Coulda saved mone

And had mountain bearer

Whatever I'll just build hoth

[trim star]

both of my teams are so far from getting trim

[trim star]

it's really good actually

[willow beacon]

like all of these are good so it's not too bad

[trim star]

it's like his optimal weapon by like 1.33x the alternative

[willow beacon]

the pity weapons are awesome

[willow beacon]

?

[grizzled osprey]

1/32 I think

[trim star]

yeah

[willow beacon]

according to what data

[trim star]

dude his second best weapon is white night nova

LOL

and then thermite cutter

it's genuinely doomed

[crystal herald]

help

[grizzled osprey]

Thank you

[trim star]

that's a lot of batteries

[willow beacon]

where are you getting this from

[crystal herald]

thats why I am surprised how you dont have as much batteries as mine

[trim star]

https://arknightsendfield.gg/character/pogranichnik-build/ ngl none of the sites are good

[crystal herald]

do you use them in valley?

[grizzled osprey]

I have grand vision, rapid ascent and the gun thingy (wedge?)

[trim star]

but never rest is extremely strong

[willow beacon]

wedge good for yvonne

better than navigator

[trim star]

wedge is way better than nav

yeah

[willow beacon]

i wouldn't say way better

[trim star]

bp weapons are just horrible in general

[willow beacon]

it's like slightly better

[trim star]

no p0 wedge is stronger than a p5 nav by

an extremely significant margin

lol

[crystal herald]

idk how they put the gears but their gear combo are so bad

[willow beacon]

bro whatever site you're getting this data from is dogshit lmfao

[trim star]

their gear combos arent the worst but they're also really bad

[trim star]

dude wedge vs p5 nav is something you can literally just stare at in game

the numbers are so clear

[crystal herald]

is it your endmin?

[trim star]

yeah

[crystal herald]

lvl 90?

[trim star]

i need some 4.3k atk

no 80 e3

[crystal herald]

damn

[trim star]

e4s are way out of my budget rn

[willow beacon]

p0 wedge is ~84% the dps of sig
p0 navi is ~80% of sig
p5 navi is ~89% of sig

whatever you're looking at is just wrong

[grizzled osprey]

External xiranite works pretty well for ultimate gain tho, and you don't have to sacrifice much dmg for it either

[crystal herald]

then something's wrong with my endmin 90

[willow beacon]

wedge gaps it harder with more potentials though

[trim star]

if this is prydwen data their numbers are fundamentally flawed

[willow beacon]

p5 wedge is 105%

it's not prydwen

[trim star]

im pretty sure that's the same as on prydwen

[willow beacon]

literally the pinned resource from this server

[trim star]

oh yeah get more atk%

[willow beacon]

i haven't checked pryd at all hold on

[trim star]

oh then it's the same thing

they arent considering alternate amp

[crystal herald]

shouldnt I go for agility?

[trim star]

no because atk% on essence affects base atk

[crystal herald]

or infliction?

[trim star]

infliction is better but only for your burst

i mean it should be maxed either way

[crystal herald]

I think I have only run like 3 essence farming runs in the whole game time

[trim star]

i find it super funny how the arts intensity stick is hilariously broken on pog just because it's 50% more to his breach

which is basically just 10% more team damage period

[crystal herald]

wait how does "art" intensity stick to breach?

[trim star]

arts intensity affects all statuses

this really do be the aic factory cahnnel

[crystal herald]

damn didnt know that

[trim star]

it's also really funny when people bring up numbers in game and then if you just look at them for a tiny bit you'd realize that the numbers in game are just better anyways

[rose pecan]

does it work on leavatain?? since she does heat damage as base? (ik the skill do get buffed)

[trim star]

like yes 16% stacking atk buff which is diminished by my already like 60% atk buff vs 12% more breach which is multiplicative on everything else

[trim star]

she wont be bursting heat unless in ult, so no

[rose pecan]

aww

[trim star]

you want full skill damage on her in most situations

p0

also p1 i guess

the arts burst matters the most on like a level 90 last rite cause it scales up to absurd degrees when she gets going

[analog elbow]

daym i forgot to make Cryston Parts farm for Ziplines

[trim star]

imagine not having 40k ziplines

[crystal herald]

i m guessing you have hit 120 sec milestone in 1 boss?

[trim star]

no

[analog elbow]

[trim star]

my surtr team is 10s away from doing it because my surtr is missing half of her damage somehow

i got insanely unlucky with weapons so i dont have detonation unit, etc etc, bad essences, no stats

[nova lodge]

you guys and you 4k damage no. :v

[crystal herald]

dont you take it fromm free weapon box?

[trim star]

no i got white night nova

[crystal herald]

🙂

[trim star]

i wanted to mess around with it cause arts intensity line

also it's better on pog

and i have thermite cutter

detonation unit is like the only broken amp weapon i dont have

[pure chasm]

It's easy with gear and lvl 90 weapon that's all there is to it really

[trim star]

it's easy if your stats are insane

[crystal herald]

why not thermite cutter?

[pure chasm]

no

[trim star]

thermite cutter is diminished by endmin selfbuff and food buff and additional atk% i feed to my team vs arts intensity on breach which is multiplicative

i think i mentioned this already

[analog elbow]

Using Normal Relays for Wuling is truly amazing (for masochists)

[nova lodge]

actually....no.
not with 5* weapons and, purple essenses and gold gears.

[trim star]

it's easy if you have stats

[pure chasm]

you are building wrong

[trim star]

like unironically every single trim (except maybe triangle) is a stat check

[nova lodge]

more like i had been using whatever i came across, and i have 0 6* weapon btw.

[trim star]

rip

[crystal herald]

is fire team meta rn?

[trim star]

yeah

[pure chasm]

I have more than you and my endmin is lvl 80, weapon 80, purple gear and purple essence

[trim star]

it's just surtr doing damage that should belong to ults when she uses enhanced attack

her ult is just an extended ult for everyone else

[crystal herald]

cuz I dont wanna upgrade akekuri lol

[nova lodge]

interesting, whats your loadout?

[trim star]

akekuri is weird because she's filler only if you have thermite cutter cause surtr team is desperately in need of atk% buffs and she gives one on ult

she is horrendously slow to charge though

[nova lodge]

yep, then i guess i am never getting it, no 6* weapon here
that's how big of a difference it does

[crystal herald]

btw what should I put into my physical team comp I have all

[trim star]

a p3-5 sundering steel should work fine honestly

[nova lodge]

P0, i did not roll weapon gacha
i had been using whatever that is given to me.

[trim star]

4 pogranichniks

[pure chasm]

buy it it's literally 0.99

[crystal herald]

currently using endmin, lifeng , ardelia chen but should I sub pog?

and if , who?

[nova lodge]

for story purpose, not yet.
just personal preference for that.

[trim star]

you could just use endmin on the pog team but it's actually mechanically pretty difficult

panda is better for cycle and your sanity

[crystal herald]

yea I tried to connect the dots and i didnt see how lol

[nova lodge]

but yeah, its clearly shown that no good weapon = tons of damage loss.
even if you gear up properly on other areas.

[pure chasm]

btw where can we find best character builds

I think it's better to build pog with ultimate efficiency

than dmg

[trim star]

the method is because your combo skill cds tend to line up, you use pog's breach 4 stacks then go into endmin crystal crush for a 50sp refund + the 35 from pog's combo to get a really fast first cycle

the issue is that the team just does not function unless you have p1 lifeng

then once you stagger you do the classic endmin nuclear bomb trick

[nova lodge]

kinda wish this set comes with ultimate gain efficiency on other areas for pog ;v.

[pure chasm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1460681575875350754/1470211304949289156/images.png?ex=698a787a&is=698926fa&hm=4e4626c713ce207921989ee26c37a4a1d18dcc975f83e45a97cc0ad3f1de9431&

[crystal herald]

the hell was that? lol

[trim star]

combo stagger hit ult 4 stack crush skill

ive hit 300k on a crit xd

this is old screenshot

[pure chasm]

It's pretty easy to trigger if you have 2 bars of SP

[trim star]

from when i have no stats

[crystal herald]

u mean battle skill or finisher?

[trim star]

combo first to apply endmin's 20% phys damage incoming debuff on the crystal

then you use that and immediately use the stagger finisher to benefit off the damage

ult because it has 10 billion ratio, which procs your atk buff

you use that atk buff to power up your 4 stack crush

[pure chasm]

bro finished the game

someone get him endfield 2

[crystal herald]

nah let him cook

[trim star]

also my pog keeps having his ult up before my first ult ends

[pure chasm]

You don't need minmaxing rotations yet you can clear anything with a mid team

[trim star]

the hell is he doing

[trim star]

this is true as long as you have stats

which i do not have

i was watching someone mess around with ember and being like "omg this is so broken" and mf was doing double the damage i was with every single character on his team

[crystal herald]

how the hell bro timed the finisher with the stagger lol

[trim star]

nice man definitely ember carrying you

[nova lodge]

question.....even if the crystal can't be attached on a specific boss targets, the buff still procs?

[trim star]

yes

[pure chasm]

I don't have anything brother I am building both Laevatain and Gilberta and I haven't farmed a single essence yet because I do not care

[trim star]

as long as they have the "sealed" status they'll take bonus phys damage

you can tell very easily by starting chen's ult, using crystal, and watching the damage spike instantly

[modest bluff]

The second I get Pog his bis sword I can complete my Physical team and take them to Mastery 3

Physical team with Lifeng is actually fun

[nova lodge]

interesting, a bit hard to see from end with too many no. flying around.
but thank you very much for the info!

[trim star]

also just dont spam and you wont have the finisher accidentally come out before your combo

[crystal herald]

so you basically stall the whole combo rotation for a while just to hit that massive dmg?

[trim star]

why do i need to stall the combo rotation it stalls itself for me

just dont press e

[maiden pulsar]

ah i see, thats a wrong calc. need to remove 1 splitter to works 1/16 sec. Thank you!
in advance im sorry for the long text

then i can start explain
1 hour divided by 16sec thats 225 Xiranite/hour
multiply that by 24 hour its 5400 then multiply again by 7 (days) you got 37800 Xiranite/Week
Divide that by 10 (1 component take 10 Xiranite) and got 3780 components/week
for now, its more than enough to suffice 60 artifice or create Gear/week (based on shop total/week)
if that's correct(?)

Next about sell stuff to get wuling bills
Using wulfgard and clear tower defense (assume got all 30% chance) it got 402480 bills/day
and thats need you need 16100 battery/day + 7155 medicine/day

About producing battery and meds
battery usage running on 3/min with 36-38 downtime and that actually produce battery really close to 8/min (not 9/min because of component production), it produce 11520/day
and meds (use metastorage) 5.75/min, it produce 8280/day
if thats 2 convert to bills
288000 (Battery) +132480 = 420480

is that more than enough to get all bills with havin 3 stuff (Component, Battery, meds) to spare?

[crystal herald]

I mean sp bar and everything

[trim star]

oh

pog is broken

build him to 97% ult you dont usually run out of sp unless you really messed up the stagger rotation

[crystal herald]

so you are running like endmin , pog , lifeng chen?

[trim star]

yeah

[crystal herald]

ok...

[pure chasm]

peak enjoyment team

[trim star]

lifeng p1 is like extremely necessary if you want to run endmin on pog comp

otherwise just use the guy made to combo with crush

[nova lodge]

.pog

[trim star]

my goat

[crystal herald]

wait i am so overwhelmed lol

[pure chasm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1460681575875350754/1470204090633162873/eargasm.mp4?ex=698a71c2&is=69892042&hm=036acd231afef5c9cc78e3924da3bae02584a21482bf8bb41763fbc9ee643e70&

smol dmg numbers

🥀

[trim star]

lets see if i can make a clip actually

[crystal herald]

endmin , lifeng , ardel , chen comp

[trim star]

i have no ult charge xd

[pure chasm]

show us your peakest pog rotation

[crystal herald]

fr

[crystal herald]

mention me when u send a clip btw

[trim star]

i slowed this one down cause i had to make sure i was recoring

[nova lodge]

i probably can beat him 5* weapons, just need to pay attention and be patient.

[trim star]

im also missing so many buffs there cause i waited lmao

oops

[trim star]

ok i can quite literally go infinite on moirai

but i keep messing up the cycle

[crystal herald]

p5 chen?

[trim star]

no im poor

[crystal herald]

i lowkey want p5 chen or p1 lifeng now so bad I wanna roll now lol

[fallow rover]

I got Gilberta on the Laevatinn banner

[nova lodge]

then i must be bottom of the barrel (hadn't spend...at all yet).
then again, gonna roll gilberta banner a bit.

[pure chasm]

brother where is the rotation

[pure chasm]

chen never drops for me

[trim star]

i dont randomly clip my gameplay

tf

[pure chasm]

I'm not hating bro

You promised us

Now deliver

[trim star]

give me two hours for the game to load or smth

[pure chasm]

I didn't want Laevatain because I dislike her but I lost the 50/50 to her on Gilberta's

😭

bros can't skip banners no more

[fallow rover]

I literally have every character except Yvonne

STOP AVOIDING ME PLEASE

[pure chasm]

Same

And Ayvenna

The lady with the cool english accent

[nova lodge]

i sense.....intentional avoidiance.

[pure chasm]

I might roll for Yvonne if I have enough pulls but if not, Wuling got a pretty decent line up coming up. Mi Fu my beloved

[crystal herald]

holy shit first try lol

[pure chasm]

Not bad

[crystal herald]

wdym not bad lol

[pure chasm]

Who is this for?

[crystal herald]

its all grand vision stats lol

[pure chasm]

Endmin?

[trim star]

im so confused about endmin

[trim star]

everything tells me that the ult should be smiting things from existence

but it just doesnt

the most ive gotten from it is like 260k or smth

[nova lodge]

need more pots, trus :3

[trim star]

honestly i do need chen stats and levels

she does like a huge portion of damage

[pure chasm]

It only deals massive dmg to the target who got the crystals from his combo. Everyone else will take like 1/5 of the dmg based off the %bonus

[trim star]

no like

it just does not

im fully aware of how endmin kit works

this was yesterday when i was testing with an ult damage glove and food buff

[pure chasm]

pretty good

I don't use buffs

Not necessary

[crystal herald]

oooooo

[pure chasm]

holy shit

[trim star]

like ok

how do you just

[random hornet]

Endmin majority of dmg should be in their crush

[crystal herald]

lol

[trim star]

have 1400 more attack than i do now

i dont get it

[pure chasm]

endmin is my crush 💔

[trim star]

where are people getting all of these stats

[trim star]

the math says no because like

[crystal herald]

i just got this lol

[trim star]

an 80% damage amped buff with 800% 600% and an additional 350% should be doing more than a 750%*1.71 crush

but nope the crush just hits harder

[crystal herald]

daddy chill

its just a game lol

[trim star]

man

i need 90 everything or smth

[crystal herald]

i guess? lol

[trim star]

that's like the one thing driving me insane is just the amount of stats im missing at the endgame level

[pure chasm]

idk why you're so upset just ask what their build is, copy it, and move on

[nova lodge]

he probably also already maxed trim as well....so yeah, gonna hit like a truck

[trim star]

I HAVE THEIR BUILD

oh my god

just stop speaking dude

im being ragebaited

[crystal herald]

rage baiting final boss lol

[pure chasm]

wallahi I'm not ragebaiting this dude is just spamming yap yap yapperson and when I ask them for a rotation they just send a random clip showing none like what are you even saying

[trim star]

i havent even loaded into v4 yet

and you want me to send a rotation

good one man

[crystal herald]

nah seriously my stat just bumped up because of that essence

[pure chasm]

😭

[trim star]

im genuinely so lost dude

whatever it's just base attack diff

[crystal herald]

nono cuz I was in battle buff lol

it just resetted

lmao

[random hornet]

Strange gear set for endmin

[nova lodge]

whoops, limit reach, time for the next area.

[crystal herald]

hmmm ? is it strange?

[trim star]

it's a pretty normal gear set

i like dv stagger

[crystal herald]

not on stagger

[random hornet]

Unless you specifically build for stagger but endmin combo and skill doesn't have any stagger bonus in itself

[nova lodge]

i don't think there are much other sets suitable for him though? besides swordancer

[random hornet]

Otherwise bonrkrusher just give a lot more stats

Or aethertech

[nova lodge]

hmm yeah, that is definitely an alternative.
aether....not so much.

[random hornet]

Both give a lot more stats for crush popping

[trim star]

im gonna have to rerecord because i missed the interrupt

[uneven chasm]

Pov: You haven't unlocked belt mergers yet

[trim star]

it's what ive been getting the most consistent results with so

[random hornet]

Only 1 character in the team should be stacking dmg vs staggered

[crimson inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-industrialist-industrialist-players-gif-9361738073438350362

[upper creek]

is there any energy blueprints for sub pac's i can find?

[crystal herald]

thats why you staggered a lot

[trim star]

no that's why i do a lot of damage

[crystal herald]

I get ults like 3 times in 120s

[crimson inlet]

I made my Laev insta kill with a enchanced battle skill

[upper creek]

is there any energy blueprints for sub pac's i can find?

[trim star]

lol

[crystal herald]

stop I have spent a lot of artificing catalyst lol dont make me regret it

[upper creek]

also how do i get depot bus on my sub pac as well?

[crystal herald]

which sub pac are you talking about out of nowhere??lol

[upper creek]

like all lol

[paper magnet]

Buy it from the dude

[upper creek]

im just wondering how to get the depot buses on the sub pac instead of the big boi

[paper magnet]

The dude that sells the space upgrades also sells the depot buses

(at each individual sub PAC ofc)

[upper creek]

oh for the sub pac's as well?

[upper creek]

oh wait what

[balmy kernel]

Idk why this doesnt fit :v

[paper magnet]

Yes the dude is at every sub pac

[balmy kernel]

Someone help me pls

[fiery hatch]

water pipe

[upper creek]

ohh i didint know there was some there gotcha

thank you

[fiery hatch]

make the pipe go outside

[balmy kernel]

Im not at wuling

[fiery hatch]

oh with how u want to set it up, its gonna sucks

oh thats not pipe, sorry

man only 1 sleep n i already forget how factory looks like

[balmy kernel]

Is it because of this little stupid npc ?

[fiery hatch]

probably?

not rlly npc, more like ur playable char

oh probably that npc too

[balmy kernel]

Idk how to make her go away. She's going to ruin my whole subpac

[fiery hatch]

yea same, idk if its a quest npc or not

imagine redesigning factory bcoz of an npc XD

[balmy kernel]

Im doing 2x purple battery so there is no space tolerance here :v

Im gonna ask if anyone know how to make her go away

[trim star]

ok the moirai dashes are genuinely tilting me im just gonna record a normal as hell rhodagn fight

[crystal herald]

ngl its so hard for me to perform your combo idk where i m missing

[trim star]

let me untilt ill do a rhodagn

it's just p1 lifeng abuse really

[crystal herald]

maybe..

[trim star]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbldIozC3RM

the hell is happening

because my lifeng is p1 i can do the rotation in reverse order with ult -> skill -> chen combo

which if you watch the video lets me loop this setup infinitely

(if i didnt mess it up near the end)

[trim star]

@pure chasm it's good enough

[crystal herald]

120sec?

[trim star]

129

[crystal herald]

damn

[trim star]

actually 1 second better than my pb

probably cause i was properly waiting to do my setup

[crystal herald]

lol

[trim star]

if i have the stats i wouldve had 120s easy right cause i wouldve killed on the second stagger

im just missing the stats

[trim star]

a good chen ult and more crush damage will just get it so easily

[distant ibex]

Man I need to get myself a widescreen? What resolution you got?

[trim star]

i love the cycle on this team though it's so satisfying

[trim star]

3440x1440

i think

[pure chasm]

solid brother

show us your pog build

are you building ult efficiency?

[crystal herald]

i think you can hit 120 sec if you eat buff

[storm garnet]

Hey guys. I did some math and we were wrong, 24/min Citrome C is not the best thing to do with the Amethyst, it's 21/min + 2/min LC Battery (this includes 20/min Originium).

[trim star]

yeah 97%

[trim star]

i cant

[pure chasm]

what weapon and what gear set?

[trim star]

ive been trying really hard but i physically cant do it unless i hit another stagger

which is the downside of the dv stagger setup

i do insane bursts but i can only dump on stagger

chen will end up doing more damage than endmin eventually lol

[bright basin]

What material should I focus on when building a mega base in valley

[runic epoch]

18/18
HC batteries and type (a) variant of medicine

[crystal herald]

thast true

[trim star]

white night nova (arts intensity statstick to buff breach) and full cdr with xiranite gloves and core and bonekrusha body to hit 97% ult charge because it barely doesnt work at 96.4

lemme send what happened before i got one more artifice to get 97%

[bright basin]

So battery and capsule
Anything else?

[storm garnet]

what i just mentioned above

[trim star]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/964041176288223242/1469565077953839135/image.png?ex=698a18e1&is=6988c761&hm=0ad309a4bd894870d99307d942af0e0ec9c0c175d1ee90f28f3f5f868cdc3b50&

[crystal herald]

I guess my build will go strong in long run

[trim star]

this

[storm garnet]

btw, i changed the 3 lines of buck capsule a to 2 and made the third a citrome a, so they don't fill to max too quickly

[trim star]

96.1% ult charge vs 97.3% ult charge explained in one image

[trim star]

yeah

chen lifeng ends up doing a massive portion of your damage

[storm garnet]

still, 21/min citrome c fill in 63 hours

[trim star]

so you can actually just pivot to the better cycler panda

endmin just lets me do the crazy loop by consuming my own crystals at the start for 50sp and a vuln stack

[cunning obsidian]

I apologize for sending you down this rabbit hole, but please do update me on what you find

[trim star]

so ill just keep running it until my chen gets absurdly strong

also if i had m1 pog ult and m1 skill the cycle would be sp positive lmao

that's how stupid that unit gets

[crystal herald]

the thing is I dont have anyone doing sp recovery so I have to do some 2 stack 4 stack crush pattern rn

[trim star]

yea it's a consistent issue with lifeng in general

if you're using lifeng as your stacker (cause he's genuinely very good and his sus is great) you need your ult up for the rotation or you wont hit 4

it's to the point where if i swapped my spear to a 6* one (when i eventually do) and make him do actual damage ill have to change my gloves for more ult charge

[crimson inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/factorio-hypnosis-ファクトリオ-gif-15936487928994286386

[crystal herald]

idk how you have it but I saw you always did 4 stack crush tho

[crimson inlet]

[crystal herald]

is it bcuz of pog?

[trim star]

my spear is chimeric justice and it has ult charge line xd

it also SUCKS dont use it

[haughty wharf]

Guys how do I wuling

[trim star]

please just get valiant or smth

[crystal herald]

I have valiant p1 XD

[trim star]

thank god

at that point lifeng subdps would probably do more damage than endmin no lie

[crimson inlet]

You make plants into uling

[trim star]

the wuling very complex facotyr

[haughty wharf]

My wuling ain't wulinging

[crimson inlet]

In wuling, you make uling

[trim star]

w

[crystal herald]

yea but I still use endmin as control op I dont wanna mess up the combo its alrd complex enough lol

[storm garnet]

1 machine makes both types of liquid plant, saves 50 energy and you fill the depot at half the rate, so you can go offline and food won't top up

[trim star]

i mean if you want to do the funny cycle that i do you need to run support set on lifeng anyways

4 stack breach -> crystal -> pog combo skill (to maximize damage) -> pop crystal with endmin

to add the 1 stack

then if you dont have lifeng p1 you're screwed

it's so sad

[storm garnet]

the endgame of endfield is going offline as long as possible without filling the depot

and still be efficient

[crystal herald]

ahhhhhhhhh

[trim star]

the endgame of endfield is not letting your outposts cap because your depot will cap long after they cap

[trim star]

im world's number 1 lifeng p1 advocate btw

it's just one of the best potentials in the game

[crystal herald]

hahahaa

[storm garnet]

actually, only citrome c will cap before outposts cap

[crystal herald]

I did really thought for a long time getting a pog or p1 lifeng

[trim star]

you do just get pog

[crystal herald]

yea i did lol

[trim star]

i was running ardelia alesh lifeng endmin before the 6* selector and it just does not feel the same

[crystal herald]

NAD YOU ARE MAKING ME REGRET IT RN LMFAO

[trim star]

you dont have infinite sp

[rotund ibex]

Im not understanding something. How can I be at 210/min orig usage by only using 6 depot unload? Am I missing smething?

[haughty wharf]

Thank you shishou

[trim star]

there's another originium output somewhere

check automation core other bases etc

sniff it out

[storm garnet]

63 hours is the limit

[crystal herald]

should I pull now and pray to hit befroe 120?

[rotund ibex]

My two other other bases are empty, Im remodeling

[storm garnet]

any ideas to push it further?

[rotund ibex]

[trim star]

it's somewhere...

i had that issue before it was just a steel loop attached to my base lmao

when i was out of steel randomly

and my entire base blew up

[haughty wharf]

40k you could def make it

[crystal herald]

80+10+10 so still missing 10

[nova lodge]

^

[haughty wharf]

10 pulls ehh its makable

I had 30 pulls on lavataens banner on the last day

[trim star]

10 pulls you get from bond quota

[crystal herald]

and imagine missing that 10 pulls lol

[trim star]

trust

just hit 6 6*s

[nova lodge]

.....nice luck there.

[crystal herald]

ahhh

[trim star]

my luck is atrocious

[paper magnet]

I think I saw some math that said if you're gonna pull but not commit to 120 you should at least pull to 80 since it's a guarantee

[trim star]

btw

[crystal herald]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[paper magnet]

But I'm not statistician so I can't verify

[nova lodge]

don't.
its silly.
you don't even carry your guarantee pity over, so what for?

[trim star]

ive gone to soft pity every single 6* ive gotten and i went 110 dry on weapon banner (FOUR PERCENT BTW)

[haughty wharf]

Do not play that game, got lifeng instead of lavaetain on 80 pulls

[trim star]

you dont pull to soft pity

you just pull to 60 for the dossier

if you whiff

otherwise just dont pull

[paper magnet]

Ah that's what I got mistaken about yea

[crystal herald]

ok there is 5 so still missing 5