aic-factory

[lean stag]

Kinda just starting

[leaden drift]

I would worry about getting through the story first

[nova lodge]

just keep progressing main storyline for now.
you will soon be introduced to it.
its not just six release ports that you are getting.

[lean stag]

Ok

[odd cedar]

you can upgrade the base area, but probably blocked behind story

[smoky rain]

Is manually transferring ferrium from valley 4 the only real way to boost wuling yazhen syringe production at this point in time?

[lean stag]

I js want to make portable explosives

[leaden drift]

trust me i wasted alot of time in factory its very easy too

was farming originium manually before even getting miners

[smoky rain]

Yeah, just make the most basic factory stuff. dont even try to optimize it until you are further along.

when you have all the recipes and bases in the region, that's when you start to look to optimize.

[unreal laurel]

can i fit 3 buck As in my main aic area

[lean stag]

I want bomb

[unreal laurel]

aketine powder

[leaden drift]

if maxed u can probs fit 4

[unreal laurel]

dang

[lean stag]

Fixed

[unreal laurel]

why do we minmax space so much?

from my understanding theres plenty of room

[leaden drift]

but im making two batteries and two purple healers

[nova lodge]

the better question is....why not?

[leaden drift]

vibes

[chrome current]

[smoky rain]

because there's only so much space you have to work with. The less you use, the more space you have open for making more machines. Also, why not?

[unreal laurel]

i really hate how strong the counter argument "why not" is

[lean stag]

What the

[leaden drift]

not even 1/4th my hub

[north moth]

There is not really for final max profit build. Wuling has a lot of space cause we still at lv 6

[lean stag]

I can’t even comprehend

[unreal laurel]

wdym

[lean stag]

Lemme show mine rq

Ima finish my bombs first

[nova lodge]

wulling have more facilities and build content involved in future update, so yeah.
can always optimize existing builds 1st.

we are after all, still at tier 1 of wulling AIC plan lul

[smoky rain]

Well, there's always going to be the question of how many of what resource do we get to work with in total?

that kind of will dictate what we do overall.

[unreal laurel]

when we reach higher tiers,wont we just redesign to match future standards

[leaden drift]

I maxed what i can in wuling

[unreal laurel]

what if the next tier has faster belts

[nova lodge]

true, though its always better to have the extra space on standby 1st.
as well as blueprint to instantly use once they get released later.

[tired shore]

the reason we, as in the blueprint community, do it is because i wanted to make the cheapest setup (ie: no space upgrades)
Everyboy else? idk, there really no good reason other then they wanted to lmao

[unreal laurel]

alot of stuff will be reworked

[lean stag]

Mine lowk better

[leaden drift]

is this manually put to gether?

[chrome current]

yeah

[nova lodge]

if that comes later, we will deal with it.
heck, we will even rework the whole valley 4 lul

optimization is an option, not a must, don't worry too much about it.

[leaden drift]

did we not get the mega zoom out yet?

[chrome current]

oh you meant the screenshot

i just use snagit

[north moth]

Mega zoom out at home: photoshop.

[smoky rain]

This is what I did for Buck A caps.

[lean stag]

In arknights did evil people become playable?

[leaden drift]

fudge it there we go

[smoky rain]

lol nice

[lean stag]

😵‍💫

[leaden drift]

ye?

[nova lodge]

you meant morally gray area? yes.

crownslayer is a prime example

we are after all, spreading originum in the name of needs, so we are just as gray lul

[limpid shale]

You mean Perlica?

[lean stag]

Will nefarith be playable?

[whole dragon]

what's factory and logistics limit reached and where can i keep track of it??

[nova lodge]

** # INDUSTRIALLISATION **

[leaden drift]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-w-dance-w-arknights-dance-gif-27496542

if this roach can probs

[limpid shale]

Right we're polluting wuling
With bottles

[nova lodge]

yeah, might be

[grim galleon]

Is there any reason to put Protocol Stash near the mining rig?

[leaden drift]

nope

[nova lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-wisadel-kaboom-gif-5525692867082961346

[lean stag]

Idk who this is lol

[grim galleon]

Okay, noted. Thanks.

[leaden drift]

unless early game

[nova lodge]

W'isadel

[lean stag]

Never played

[grim galleon]

Wei

[north moth]

this is endgame build.

[leaden drift]

[chrome current]

yes, the best

[nova lodge]

INIFINITE POWER!!!!

[tired shore]

tip for better zoom out: make a pipe that 50x1 long. blueprint this pipe. place this blueprint. BAM, +50% more zoomed out

[limpid shale]

I'll always flex mine

[lean stag]

Still can’t comprehend

[smoky rain]

If you are not at electric miners yet, only gather the bare minimum.

[lean stag]

Too hard

[marble yarrow]

i have a splitter spaced 50 (or 48) apart so it doesnt conflict with already built facilities that much

[smoky rain]

Not really something worth flexing.... it's just unpacking and repacking those bottles to get the "yield"

all useless fluff.

[limpid shale]

That's the point

[tired shore]

well, with limited space and power, its a flex of how dense you can build stuff

[chrome current]

my screenshot process, snagit very useful

oh it doesnt display embed lol

[leaden drift]

its 40$

i looked

QQ

[nova lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/satisfactory-factor-io-factorio-satisfactory-game-automation-gif-4780683496031639747

[stray jasper]

W!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[chrome current]

i use license from my last workplace

[tired shore]

you need mp4

[chrome current]

yeah im not reencoding

[tired shore]

discord doesn't embed mkv

[latent gull]

So its not possible to get 100% efficiency without depot bus?

[cloud frigate]

help is this buckflower or citrome

[chrome current]

good to know

but basically i just select an area and pan across the screen

and it puts together the screenshot

[stray jasper]

imagine u only developed a belt moving in circles like this lol throughout ur endfield gaming.

[nova lodge]

[stray jasper]

um..its too dark i cant see =_=

[nova lodge]

staph, too much people already been doing that infinite loop

[stray jasper]

glad u arent using any splitters/bridges cuz that'll make the process slower

[cloud frigate]

i mean that why i cant see too:(

[stray jasper]

woa

hmm

[stray jasper]

it kinda looks yellow so it could be citrome

me thinks

why not increase the brightness

[chrome current]

bigger issue, they count towards facility limit

which is fatal for hub main aic

[stray jasper]

real

[stray jasper]

yk i used to run a 2-way route system in my factory like a back and forth movement but there's this splitter and bridge issue so everytime an item is split from the splitter, the density or amount gets lesser. This was mainly made for B-Buckpill but it failed

[chrome current]

the splitter is just math, it divides flow speed

[stray jasper]

Lesson learned guys never run a single belt line in circle to provide all facilities cuz it's less efficient

[stray jasper]

yessaar

[nova lodge]

clipping ziplines into objects since the games beginning ;3

[stray jasper]

i tried fueling that frequency up but it only increases that portion of that circle/curve

[chrome current]

wherever possible 🫡

[stray jasper]

like where it is fueled

[stray jasper]

or close to it

[chrome current]

what annoys me the most is the flow speed limit, the entire start of the game i was so hyped for when i finally get convergers

[nova lodge]

you cannot use this zipline as its too close to an obstacle

[stray jasper]

real

[chrome current]

only to then find out, 0.5 items/s is limit

[stray jasper]

buhh ToT

[north moth]

https://tenor.com/view/magnify-magnifyingglass-spy-observe-search-gif-10918910732386058072

[stray jasper]

same i never enjoyed the parting of the items so what i did is use the stash instead

idk if it helps tho

[chrome current]

ill be honest, i dont use protocol stashes at all outside of actually stashing items

[stray jasper]

based on what ive observed it kinda feels neutral speed? idk what do u think

[stray jasper]

oh

to you, does it maintain speed when transfering items or slower

[chrome current]

they output at .5/s

afaik

[stray jasper]

...? output .5/s

so it makes it slower

[chrome current]

no 0.5/sec is max speed

i mean its quick to test

[polar patio]

I need an overflow belt...

[stray jasper]

ohh

[leaden drift]

isnt max speed 0.5

[stray jasper]

so stashes dont decrease

[polar patio]

I also think it says that on the belts if you look at them

[stray jasper]

yeah thats what he said

[chrome current]

yeah

[leaden drift]

i use protocol stashes alot

[polar patio]

though I find it interesting the flow on ||pipes|| is 2/s

[shrewd knoll]

feels like i went back and made everything thin as possible

[polar patio]

your plant systems are very space inefficient

[shrewd knoll]

yes but for symmetry

[stray jasper]

Wait where did u get tht???

[north moth]

you can use protocol stash as overflow. Turn it off and put storage mode if you dont want overflow to transfer to depot.

[stray jasper]

also whats the flow rate of Stashes???

[chrome current]

click on the belt

[chrome current]

0.5/s

[stray jasper]

wait what? leme see..

[polar patio]

no that is the problem I want the overflow on a line to go to depot so I can have everything...

[stray jasper]

0.5/s ...and neutral belt speed is 0.5/s so basically stash keeps the belt speed?

[chrome current]

in top down view, in 3rd person, you need to aim at a belt and press f

[chrome current]

no, every facility has an output speed of 0.5/s if possible

[digital vessel]

Endfield, but instead of mining rigs you manually mine all your materials

[chrome current]

you can input 1 item per minute, but as long as the facility has enough items, it will output at 0.5/s

[leaden drift]

i did that for like 6 hrs ngl

me and my mmo brain went

[stray jasper]

correct me if im wrong, upn looking at the item before the stash there's a huge gap bc of the splitter, but when entering the stash it balances it back to 0.5 speed?

[leaden drift]

woo lets sit here and farm rocks like its 1-7

[chrome current]

thats because i put in a stack manually

it cant generate items out of thin air

[north moth]

you mean your output on a line is more than input? Like it happens on my shredders so I just protocol stash transfer 3 lines out of a shredder. there is no other solution currently. hopfully an upgrade in future patch but I doubt.

[leaden drift]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-1-7-magallan-he-was-forced-to-gif-2848259272862848815

[chrome current]

but the facility itself outputs at 0.5/s

[leaden drift]

i just pass it through a protocol stash

[stray jasper]

and this is why im starting to spam spawning smaller items more like the shredding/refinement units. Cuz theyre faster to make

[leaden drift]

u might lose like maybe one item but usually if the input matches out put its passes right through

[stray jasper]

lmao what does this mean xd

[leaden drift]

In arknights originium rocks are used for alot of upgrades. the best way to farm rocks was a level called 1-7

[polar patio]

No more like I want my Xiranite to go to batteries and components first then overflow into depo

[polar patio]

yeah but I don't have to room for that... where I do have the room for a single belt line.

[leaden drift]

you will need to build it into the line

[chrome current]

with enough mental gymnastics you can always find a way to make space

[north moth]

You can do this. keep stash powered. if output line is getting clogged, they will start to transfer to depot.

[polar patio]

not when I don't have even the first space upgrade...

[leaden drift]

I legit just send my xiranite straight to the depot

[chrome current]

i mean i would recommend to get upgrade, but even without, there are ways, limitation bears creativity, you just have to keep at it

[polar patio]

why? we are most limited by unloading from the bus.

[low fern]

is a buck capsule A factory supposed to take this much space

[polar patio]

not when you do everything in one place...

[leaden drift]

because no matter what we dont have enough xiranite production

[polar patio]

it is very full

[leaden drift]

its easier to turn off an unloader for me

[chrome current]

yes and then you find ways to make it more compact and more and even more

[polar patio]

fair enough.

[stray jasper]

wait huh? 🤣 so it's consistent like that cuz you put in those goods inside the stash earlier?

[chrome current]

i have redesigned my factories probably 50+ times by now, you just always find more

[chrome current]

im trying to showcase that the flow speed is entirely determined by input, but all facilities will output at 0.5/s, always

if enough items are present, it will be 0.5/sec

[polar patio]

in the valley how many plants can one outpost manufacture for you? I currently can get 12 lines

[shrewd knoll]

I don't really see any possible place i can cut it down after a second run through if i was aiming for the 26x wide

[chrome current]

ive never tried, but my outposts are all maxed so that would be different from your experience anyway then

[shrewd knoll]

while making it not look like crap

[north moth]

chain for it is pretty long, I am sure there are more space efficient tetris blueprints for it.

[crisp idol]

whats the max number of ziplines you can place across all areas rn, i just remembered i should stop making cryston parts at some point

[chrome current]

it definitely gets harder if you want aesthetics as well

[runic epoch]

You're over doing it
100% uptime can be done with 4 dense ferrium outputs and 2 buck grinders

[chrome current]

at some point you need to consider a compromise

i want to just use as little space as possible

[shrewd knoll]

i think 26x47 is a good spot, was just going to keep making 6 of each anyway

everything stockpiled so high already

[chrome current]

im currently on this

all ores 100% used up

[leaden drift]

whelp looks like i had too many pipes

and it slowed down my xiranite production

[unreal laurel]

how much does each mining rig give?

20 or 30/min?

[leaden drift]

depends on regional level

[unreal laurel]

whut

elaborate

[leaden drift]

at higher regional levels the ore veins become high purity

so they do much more compared to low purity

[unreal laurel]

how much is it at that point

[marble yarrow]

it actually depends on purity rather than "regional level"

[leaden drift]

well regional level gate keeps purity level

[unreal laurel]

arent those tied to eachother hence interchangeable

[leaden drift]

example

[marble yarrow]

but the miners dont care about that. they care about the purity

[stray jasper]

btw if a protocal stash is set in storage mode, will the items stored inside be transfered to the belt forward or it stays here?

[marble yarrow]

it doesnt say "low regional level" tho

[unreal laurel]

thats just there for world building or smth

[leaden drift]

low purity is 10 per minute

[unreal laurel]

and high?

[leaden drift]

High purity is 20 per minute

[unreal laurel]

....

[north moth]

Low purity is 10/min. high purity is 20/min.

[shrewd knoll]

i demand flawless purity

[warm rock]

5 low purity ferrium ore mine

[fervent stratus]

Me when I just started on Wuling
Yeah.... I wonder where the Sub-PAC would be..... *Look at large big flat area near a settlement

[north moth]

Perlica can do that but...

[north moth]

.paypal

[shrewd sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/paypal-me-paypal-paypal-me-30k-perlica-arknights-gif-3472834387034500009

[finite fiber]

fun that i need 390/min originium for my wuling battery

[low obsidian]

[north moth]

no no you are over thinking it...

[marble yarrow]

oop

[stray jasper]

im breko

[willow tundra]

yk, if i can build a mega factory on top of a mountain thatd be pretty cool

[low obsidian]

40K water filled with yazheng fluid

[north moth]

dumb it in the river, I am sure fish will live. maybe...

[fervent stratus]

You will need a large mountain with flat top lol (Or find a mountain.... AND MAKE ONE)

[low obsidian]

They spawn hourly?

[willow tundra]

i need a steep mountain side so the output products will just roll off the belt

[stray jasper]

So this is what i replaced the splitter with. But the output item turns out to be much lesser frequency. How do i fix this

[fervent stratus]

Put depot unload into a Separator, layout the pipes into a Fluid Supplier and SEND IT

[shrewd knoll]

perfect ratio 1 grinder cryston component

[leaden drift]

i need it for when the blight comes

[shrewd knoll]

[nova lodge]

haahhhhhhhhhhhh

[fervent stratus]

Wait... that is Xiranite, isn't it? lol

[north moth]

what spawn?

[chrome current]

they will just move onto the output belt

[leaden drift]

yup

[jaunty pumice]

is there anything i can craft to get more sanity ? or ?

[fervent stratus]

They stay or move into output belt (Also doesn't need power to run)

[shrewd knoll]

you can extract sanity to uh....give yourself more sanity later

the same amount actually

[chrome current]

ok i have no clue wat you are trying to achieve there tbh, but the speed should be same

[jaunty pumice]

lawd, okay

[fervent stratus]

You can... WHAT??

[north moth]

just 2x the input line on a factory and remove the other one. 2nd way to just make more things but idk why there are so many protocol stashes.

[ripe brook]

is there a more efficient way to do this? i wanna make it smooth when switch between producing xiranite and bumper rich

[chrome current]

if you dont feel like farming right now to use your sanity, you just save it for later with the extractor

[stray jasper]

mmmh. ok ok. I wanted the items to be more closer together after passing by the stash cuz everytime they get inside the filling unit it pops in 2-3seconds per input instead of 1sec like the rest. Compared to the splitters, the splitters make the gap much bigger

[fervent stratus]

How?

[low obsidian]

Good match is peak

[stray jasper]

OOuu! Yeah i did that already! I js didnt think about doing that in the filling unit haha

[shrewd knoll]

normal match is peak, good match never gets sucessful for me

[ripe brook]

anyone?

[marble yarrow]

average secondary stat moment

[stray jasper]

i replaced the splitters with protocal stashes so that the gap between items become smaller

[stray jasper]

but idk. is that effective or no..

[chrome current]

sorry i still dont really understand what you mean

[fervent stratus]

It's limited though orz

[shrewd knoll]

it pushes the item 3 squares forward

it has a niche use

[north moth]

Also if you are taking output from depot, adding protocol stash on it is useless. if the line is clogged, depot wont output more anyway. each stash uses 5 power so you are probably wasting batteries.

[shrewd knoll]

like u need the item to reach before another item does, for a sushi belt

[low obsidian]

Fr only affect secondary stats

[fervent stratus]

Storage-mode Stash doesn't need power to run btw

[chrome current]

i would have no application for that unless i merged belts which serves very rare and little purpose currently since 0.5/s is max speed

[ripe brook]

hi guys, is there an efficient way to switch between producing xiranite and bumper rich? cuz i have to do it manually rn

[chrome current]

0.5/s is max speed, nothing wil lchange that, ever

unless devs increase max speed

[leaden drift]

my sleeker xiranite production atm

[shrewd knoll]

like this, i needed the sand to reach the grinder before the other 2 powders reach it and clogs it up when built the first time

[humble loom]

is this able to be more efficient?

[fervent stratus]

It only need power for the Transfer mode

[stray jasper]

depot is the door thingy right?

[fervent stratus]

Depot is the thing the door need to connect to

[marble yarrow]

if you have 3 packaging units for battery, that can go to 18/min

[willow tundra]

idk the recipe but can you use a control port to just set the threshold?

[humble loom]

my bad it was turned off

[north moth]

I dont have your full picture of what is happening but here is one way to do it.

[shrewd knoll]

theres no way to actually automatically empty the forge of the liquid so it's all manual still no matter how you go about it

[chrome current]

that just reaches same time no? for both lines you have the same flow speed

[marble yarrow]

thats some weird belt usage

[past hatch]

So I found a vid and calculator for batt usage optimization that reduce my batt usage 44% without making any change to production lines. can I share the yt vid?

[magic falcon]

so if a fluid supply unit can output 3/s and a pipe carries 2/s do you put mergers right before a fluild supply to push out as much as possible?

[shrewd knoll]

no the sand gets there first, it has 1 belt of less travel and the other 2, doesnt matter which one of those get there first

[fervent stratus]

Don't use Stash to split different items

[marble yarrow]

convergers are also 2/s

[ripe brook]

here's what i do in this img:
1, turn off clean water input by setting qty = 1
2. turn on xiranite liquid input = 10
3. manually remove the clean water in the forge > put in animal poo
4. turn on clean water input

[chrome current]

but that only does something for the very first production

[shrewd knoll]

yes, very niche use

[chrome current]

but whats the point?

[shrewd knoll]

completely unneccsary

[chrome current]

fair enough

[shrewd knoll]

if you go the extra mile

[ripe brook]

hopefully they'll make the process of switching between diff products smoother in the future

[magic falcon]

I was trying to drain that depot tunnel as fast as possible, but Tianshi Boa is in the way of placing more pumps

[leaden drift]

Jincao is white liquid right?

if sooo

https://tenor.com/view/raging-waters-rapids-waterfall-rafting-raft-gif-15539991

[nova cradle]

I did something cool. I made a Steel Factory where the middle lane alternates between fitting Ferrum parts and steel parts :D

Downside is, if either becomes full, the fitting unit clogs

[shrewd knoll]

the other use is actually more useful, equal distribution

[nova cradle]

So I made this just a pure steel farm with steel parts instead.

[ripe brook]

why

[nova cradle]

[past hatch]

looks cool tho

[nova cradle]

real

[barren void]

Was this really necessary? I dont know, but it looks cool

[shrewd knoll]

that's alot of entities though, just on the belts

[barren void]

And slightly symmetrical

[shrewd knoll]

if you want to cross, make sure they are next to each other so they dont make those 1x1 belts

[leaden drift]

vibes are important

[barren void]

Yeah it also kinda looks like squidward

Look closer

Squint a bit

https://tenor.com/view/squidachad-squidward-gigachad-spongebob-gif-13962018886955154372

[north moth]

idk why you would wanna mix them when you are still end up using 2 fitting units.

[shrewd knoll]

its not even 100%, hes unloading 90 per minute into 6 refineries

but he needs 120

[broken cave]

May I ask for this blueprint code?

[broken cave]

May I ask for this blueprint code?

[shrewd knoll]

that is not a complete blueprint

[meager dew]

Anyone have some tips on what I should be making I'm still trying to wrap my head around everything?

[broken cave]

No problem

[marble yarrow]

you should be making what your outpost can buy from you

[shrewd knoll]

because everything is modular and does their own thing

if you need a blueprint of a specific thing, that would help more

[meager dew]

That is?

[marble yarrow]

batteries and medicines

[meager dew]

Alright thanks

[north moth]

Is this what you want to achieve? This will make both things.

[cedar wave]

is there anyway to make this more compact?

[marble yarrow]

remove the other set of grinding

[unreal laurel]

theres nothing i hate more than moulding unit needing 2 lines

[cedar wave]

alr

[marble yarrow]

if you only have 1 belt of xiranite. provide also 1 belt of packed origocrust

[shrewd knoll]

you kind of need to add another belt of sand

or half of the thing isnt working

which is why you dont store sand to use it, grind it on the blueprint

[unreal laurel]

why....

its a bottle,a hollow bottle

why does it need 2 lines

[unreal laurel]

anyone else or just me?

the moulding unit being a 3x3 that uses 2 lines bothers me

[shrewd knoll]

it also bothers me that it doesnt use 3 instead

to make one shiny bottle

[cedar wave]

ohh yeah that's def fixed alot ty

[north moth]

50% compression .zip

[shrewd knoll]

thats not really the issue though, you also only have one belt of xiranite going to it so half your factory is irrelevant like haru pointed out

[unreal laurel]

how dense are these bottles

[chrome current]

that is true, but i just have my xiranite production linked directly to my batteries to be honest

[unreal laurel]

1 input should make 2

[surreal ridge]

Very

[unreal laurel]

why

[surreal ridge]

I made it that way

[stray jasper]

Hey guys im js testing these 4. Can you tell me which of these gets more and faster?

or are they all the same

[north moth]

all same

[stray jasper]

ohh

okok

[unreal laurel]

just use 1 belt....

[fervent stratus]

Same....

[stray jasper]

isee2

[grizzled osprey]

All get the same

Afaik

[crisp idol]

if it dispenses more than one item, use more than one belt; otherwise leave it at one

[unreal laurel]

just look at the resources used to get the x/sec then compare that to the belts 0.5/sec to see how many u need

[fervent stratus]

Make it every 2 sec. The belt run at 2 sec

[grizzled osprey]

What would you expect, as long as the input is one line the output can't be more than that (unless it's a recipe that gives double or triple input like shredding sandleaf)

[unreal laurel]

different machines have different numbers

[fervent stratus]

Doesn't change the fact that belt run at 2 sec. You just add production time to it

[grizzled osprey]

And belt speed stays 0.5/s

[north moth]

You need to look at the input and out quantity. if its 1:1, then 1 line is enough. if its 1 input and multiple output then more lines are required or the opposite.

[stray jasper]

uhh...where..?

[stray jasper]

ohhh okoki

[unreal laurel]

the recipe?

[fervent stratus]

2 sec is the speed the belt run at so if it need 1 every 2 sec, you only need 1 belt

[unreal laurel]

2sec is not a spd....

its unit/sec

[fervent stratus]

IF it need 1 every 10 sec, you need 0.2 belt a.k.a you can split it across 5 machines

[grizzled osprey]

Saying 2 sec doesn't make sense, say 0.5/sec

[unreal laurel]

exactly

[fervent stratus]

Don't use sec at all :P

[unreal laurel]

or 30/min cause game likes that

[fervent stratus]

Using per sec is pointless when the whole thing is based around belt speed which is 2 sec

[grizzled osprey]

Ya

[north moth]

same same but different.

[fervent stratus]

You just make things more complicated by trying to make it look nice

[unreal laurel]

2sec isnt even right,its half per sec not 2

[grizzled osprey]

Let's just make a new unit: belt, one belt= 0.5 unit/second, problem solved

[unreal laurel]

how are u reading 2 exactly?

[cobalt torrent]

should i replace the electric mine with the mk 2 for originium?

[past hatch]

no

[unreal laurel]

no

dont repeat my mistake

[fervent stratus]

I use refinery as the baseline for belt speed

[unreal laurel]

why....

[past hatch]

mk2 eats more power without benefit

[stray jasper]

So even if i double the originium ore, it'll just be the same?

[fervent stratus]

Because it take exactly 1 belt going in and out and never clog so there is a 2 sec delay between each item going in/out

[north moth]

it can only take 1 and make 1. if you give 2, it will clog.

[unreal laurel]

itll just clog if u input more than the usage

[stray jasper]

Oh yeah it is the same. Im js stacking more ore inside the refinement. What makes them same is bc of the seconds it takes them to process into ori crust

[stray jasper]

Yeahhh. I understand now

[grizzled osprey]

Belt speed is constant, all you did was remove the useless belts, refiner on the right needs another output belt

[fervent stratus]

There is processing time of 2 sec... it will clog cause it can only process 1 at a time

[past hatch]

yes. bc refinery process it at the same rate as belt so 2 belts will only over feed it.

[marble yarrow]

bro is trying to prove water is wet

[stray jasper]

Ayt 👍 got it

[nova cradle]

what are you trying to point out LOL

[stray jasper]

Ayt. I t all makes sense now

[unreal laurel]

i got an older brother who asked me to make a buck A design that makes more than 6/min

[nova cradle]

[grizzled osprey]

[fervent stratus]

Belt transfer 1 item every 2 sec or 0.5 item per sec

You missed the point there

[grizzled osprey]

[nova cradle]

i deleted the funny alternating factory 💀

[unreal laurel]

why is sec the focus in your unit

isnt the focus the input

[nova cradle]

i just settled for this @broken cave it doesn't build ferrum parts though

[unreal laurel]

hes a bright one

[north moth]

https://tenor.com/view/vsauce-michael-or-is-it-gif-19808095

[fervent stratus]

You guys are the one focus on the "per sec". I only cause about how many sec is needed for 1 unit so I always use 1 per 2 sec as baseline

[unreal laurel]

why not how many per sec

[grizzled osprey]

I'd say water is constantly in contact with water so it's wet 👍🏼

[fervent stratus]

Here we go again....

[unreal laurel]

why sec per unit

[nova cradle]

@north moth your markers are conflicting

[unreal laurel]

im not trying to argue
im just geniuinely confused by your use of sec/unit

[fervent stratus]

.....

[unreal laurel]

why would u flip it

[fervent stratus]

You confused yourself

[north moth]

that merge is just chilling there.

[marble yarrow]

you dont have to point it out. both usage of measurement are correct

[grizzled osprey]

that's not the standard notation for most things if anything at all, you're gonna have to clarify that to each new guy you help if you keep using that

[fervent stratus]

1 unit per 2 sec or 0.5 unit per 1 sec or 2 sec per unit ARE THE SAME THING

[marble yarrow]

they are same

if they want to use it, let them be

dont be an elitist

[nova cradle]

what do you mean chilling?

[unreal laurel]

im aware,but why would u choose to express it with the values positions swapped

[past hatch]

let it be~

[fervent stratus]

WHY bother with a standard of 0.5 per sec why the belt run at 2 sec and so are the MACHINES??

[grizzled osprey]

Idc about what they use but it's more confusing, imagine someone walks upto you and says, "ya, you see that car over there? It's moving at a speed of 4 seconds"

[calm crow]

I am also dying to the slow ass machines

[north moth]

not doing anything. you already have a full line at the output.

[nova cradle]

oh lemme mark it

@north moth

[fervent stratus]

Oh that car move at the speed of 1 meter every 10 sec or 6 meter every 1 minute..... so?

[marble yarrow]

but we are in endfield. no need to drag out of it. they said "unit every 2second"

i already understood when i saw it

[calm crow]

Also, I am confused about the Liquid Xiranite situation. Does it get an input via belt? Or does it have to come from a pipe directly from a manufacturer (Yes bottles also added, but Xiranite is my main question)

[fervent stratus]

You mean the one we didn't make and are at fixed locations?

[marble yarrow]

you add water and xiranite to a reactor

[unreal laurel]

we basically arguing about period vs frequency

[fervent stratus]

And you are the one who started it

[grizzled osprey]

Ask the next person who comes if he understands

[marble yarrow]

they want to argue about the most pointless things like bottle density

[fervent stratus]

Using 0.5 item per sec meaning you will have to drag every else down to sec instead of what actually matter

[grizzled osprey]

It is what it is

[north moth]

I get what you are trying but its already full at the start just from 1 depot output. 2nd will not make a different.

[crisp idol]

how many ziplines can i place in total, i make 1.5 cryston parts every half second with this one sub-pac and already 24k in storage

[unreal laurel]

the bottles are too dense tho

[north moth]

Also here is a fix well kinda.

[nova lodge]

oh hey....i didn't know you can sprinkle them with water for loot O.O!?!?

[unreal laurel]

2inputs is outrageous

[stray jasper]

Guys how much thermal banks is considered enough for connecting them to packing unit?

[nova cradle]

oh shit you're right

[marble yarrow]

so? email the devs if you have problem with it

[nova cradle]

I made 6 shredders

[grizzled osprey]

Different for every area, shows limit somewhere on the map ig

[nova cradle]

LOL

[calm crow]

Okay, so

There is 2 beltway inputs, do I put the xiranite in there? Or does xiranite have to go through the 2nd tube where water normally pipes through

[shrewd knoll]

just the dead ones

[unreal laurel]

how many does it produce vs how long does one last

[past hatch]

here's a picture of flat, unify power usage graph to calm everyone down

[stray jasper]

Um...how long does it produce?

[nova lodge]

more like dried off once. but hard to distinguish them apart being alive / dried ;v

[grizzled osprey]

4

[stray jasper]

Oki

[shrewd knoll]

the ones not moving lol

[nova cradle]

@north moth no wait it's actually working when im watching

[unreal laurel]

how much does the battery maker make divided by how long it last

[marble yarrow]

yeah xiranite in the item input. water in one of the pipe input. then you decide which pipe the liquid xiranite outputs to

[nova cradle]

if i just put 4 shredders it's gonna be slower

[grizzled osprey]

Gotta make sure they're properly split tho, with 4 you're barely making it work

[calm crow]

Dammit, I have no room for a beltway, I need to bridge a different part of the baby factory lol

[north moth]

tbf that middle line is giving 50% capacity to both sides so you would want to instead of a merge, make a space for a second line and give 1 to each side.

[unreal laurel]

is 4 a constant for batteries?

hc is also 4

[grizzled osprey]

Yes, they run for 40 seconds and get produced every 10 seconds thus supply 4 thermal banks perfectly

[nova cradle]

all the belts look like they're working

[shrewd knoll]

you only have 3 lanes worth of ferrium going into 6 shredders, its not going to be any slower

[nova cradle]

if i make it just 4 shredders it's gonna stack in the belt and make it generate powders slower right

[grizzled osprey]

Middle one getting double input, it's running at 50% efficiency

[nova cradle]

ah

[crisp idol]

didnt notice that oops, apparently it's 130 so i was done 15 minutes after i made the farm...

[shrewd knoll]

you may think you are unloading 120 per minute but you are only able to process 90 per minute with 3 lanes of through put

[north moth]

you can see that merge is alternating between both inputs. stopping one at a time. if you just let 1 run, its the same thing.

[grizzled osprey]

Unloaders also have an unloading speed of 0.5 per second right?

[nova cradle]

okay i see

i don't think i can make this look any cooler

4 lanes then hmmm

[grizzled osprey]

Make it look like bad apple

[north moth]

also seeing zzz on a factory means you are not giving it full input. In your case its like 33% required input per factory.

[nova cradle]

i thought this factory is making me generate 2 powders for each grinder

[grizzled osprey]

Yea tbf it looks cool but inefficient

[nova cradle]

i want this factory to generat 2 powder only

each grinder

[calm crow]

POV: You need to force clog your factory to get the most optimal output to stop sleeping machines

[nova cradle]

atm i guess it's only generating like 2 on one grinder and 1 on the other?

[pearl abyss]

im only producing 60 xiranite per minute can i increase that?

[fervent stratus]

For reference:
HC Battery need 10 of "A" and 15 of "B" with 10 sec production time

Belt move at 1 item per 2 sec
Machine get 10 sec / 2 sec = 5 items per cycle
Machine need 2 of "A" (10/5) and 3 of "B" (15/5) every cycle

Belt move at 0.5 item per sec
Machine get 10 * 0.5 = 5 * 1 = 5 items per cycle
Machine need 2 of "A" and 3 of "B" per cycle

Same but the latter is a bit harder to calculate if you don't know the workaround

[grizzled osprey]

I think intuitively doing it is just better than looking at the math written down fore me

[plain yarrow]

Why is that yield lower than theory?
It's been like that for a while and I'm pretty sure I don't have an unpowered miner somewhere, but idk what else it could be

[north moth]

yeah and so you only need 2 instead of three per grinder.

[nova cradle]

so did doing this fix the issue?

[fervent stratus]

I did it intuitively too until I figured out the speed lol

[shrewd knoll]

not really, 2 of your shredders are still pretty much obsolete

[misty parrot]

this might sound like an odd question, but can you have too many relay towers down at once?

[calm crow]

Any of them Lv2 miners?

[shrewd knoll]

shredding capacity is 180 per minute, you are unloading 120 per minute

[calm crow]

No, funny enough, you can do shapes

[grizzled osprey]

Speed is pretty simple, everything gets unloaded at same rate and production time is in multiples of 2 so it's all easily intuitive

[north moth]

remove all the splitters. and run straight lines.

[misty parrot]

i didnt know if there was a building limit for total number of buildings in game

[grizzled osprey]

What sorcery is this

[calm crow]

Semi-AFK grinder

[fervent stratus]

Yeah, that's why I use 2 as the baseline instead of the 0.5

[plain yarrow]

Do those mine slower??
I think all of them are though... like I only really put the mk2 on the ferrium because there it's a requirement

[misty parrot]

looks like there is a zipline limit, because everytime I drop one it tells me, but when I drop a relay tower I see something like 92/200 at the top of the screen

[runic epoch]

No MK1 and MK2 are the same in terms of yield
MK2 just allows you to mine ferrium

[grizzled osprey]

Should've made a pentagon

[misty parrot]

its just a temple to RNGesus

[calm crow]

Mk2 uses more electricity really

[calm crow]

No line left unused

[fervent stratus]

200 is the limit for all facilities outside of PAC area. Zip also got its own limit like defense towers

[grizzled osprey]

Yes separate zipline limit

[plain yarrow]

so either I missed an unpowered one or I have a non-transport one still somewhere?

[calm crow]

Probably, just spam every mine until you see low purity or unpowered

[misty parrot]

okay, now I get it. Loving the planning this game requires. But to be honest, I might have gotten burned out by the million tutorials and might have skipped a few

[runic epoch]

i think 70% of us here didn't read the tutorials

[grizzled osprey]

Don't need to do that, it shows unpowered/unrigged mines on the top in gathering tips

[calm crow]

At least there is no 1hr tutorial on anything

[calm crow]

Yeah, check the maps

Just spam the map

[grizzled osprey]

Yeah

The endmin doesn't need tutorials

[misty parrot]

I come from Warframe. There were like 0 tutorials when I started, you had the wiki and beating your head against the desk

[calm crow]

Followed by the 10% that don't know how the blueprint system works

[misty parrot]

As a factory games lover, the blueprints system is a time saver

[nova cradle]

I think this actually looks better LOL

less is best

[north moth]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471

[nova cradle]

ok i should stop thinking about using splitters things so much

[shrewd knoll]

you can probably move the pylon and bring the stash up and make it even smaller

[nova cradle]

lmao

[calm crow]

XD

[grizzled osprey]

there's people who never knew blueprints exist?

[calm crow]

No, they don't know how to import someone's blueprint

[nova cradle]

ya i see it!

[misty parrot]

Okay, now I get it, I dropped a relay tower and went from 92 to 93/200. Sweet so there is a hard cap, but I doubt ill hit 200 since I'm in the lodespring and just hitting 93

[runic epoch]

Each map has its own protocol limit

[shrewd knoll]

some structures count more, like a zipline counts for 2 of those

[grizzled osprey]

survival of the fittest atp

[misty parrot]

so each region is 200?

Oh, I'm golden then. No need to worry.

[north moth]

I dont want to say it but stop splitting too much. lol

[runic epoch]

Some go higher as you progress

[misty parrot]

I just hit lodespring and am Development 9

[grizzled osprey]

Idk how anyone would hit 200, I completed valley with like 93 and some of them are just there for electric nexuses

[shrewd knoll]

200 is easy to hit once you placed all the zips allows and defense turrets

turrets are like counted as 3 or 4 i think

[grizzled osprey]

Oh, I thought only the separate limit counted for those

[shrewd knoll]

they are included but they have their own limits as well

[grizzled osprey]

I still haven't setup ziplines and turrets

[runic epoch]

They all add up
Even the mines tally to the protocol limit as well

[grizzled osprey]

I see

[misty parrot]

this is an even odder question, should I replace zip pylons with towers when I can?

[grizzled osprey]

Ok welp imma go transfer my deliveries ig

[nova lodge]

if you have the time, sure

[nova lodge]

tower is further anyway

[nova cradle]

There

[shrewd knoll]

you should deconstruct your entire zip network and replace them with the 110 meter ones

like not in the same place, just redo the entire thing

[nova cradle]

that looks so much better damn

[north moth]

your stashes dont have power.

[grizzled osprey]

Towers have longer range so if you replace make a whole new line, placing on same spot won't have different effect

[nova cradle]

yeah i know

[misty parrot]

I wish I could just just slap some batteries in them lol

[nova cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/chen-endfield-arknights-qianyu-silly-gif-2603914693282121266

The protocol stashes can stay like that

[calm crow]

Lol

I wanted to blueprint someone's xiranite plant, then make my own version. But that's basically infringement on "our" factory

[grizzled osprey]

[nova cradle]

heh

hehehehh

So like this is a factory just for 1 HC battery

[misty parrot]

Is our factory Comrade

[nova cradle]

[grizzled osprey]

I made mine pretty well but I used sandleaf instead of yazhen

[shrewd knoll]

this is my meme factory for 1 HC

[grizzled osprey]

In the future I'll definitely triple check available recipes before making anything

[misty parrot]

Man we need a battery powered ziplines

[grizzled osprey]

Solar powered

[calm crow]

I also use sandleaf, but I'm getting 45/min

[misty parrot]

something for the zipline out in the middle of nowhere. Man I was glad I discovered you can teleport with a power calbe

cable

[grizzled osprey]

Bad ratios

[north moth]

good enough. but if you were trying to save space you can just put rotate refining unit and put outside, then you stash is in the middle.

[calm crow]

Yeah. Theoretical should be 60/min

If I can push it to 53/min, then I can solve the remaining 7/min issues

[solar karma]

Guys where is the clean water in valley 4

I rember there is clean water but dunno where it is

[nova cradle]

It looks like a pretty decent BP to me. I wouldn't think of building something like this. I had a hard time building my first factory in this game ngl and i still am

[grizzled osprey]

I saw water in plateau

[solar karma]

Ok

[fervent stratus]

Power Plat

[shrewd knoll]

it was cuz someone said, how small can you make a HC battery factory

so i made it as inefficient but small as possible

[calm crow]

Can you even put tubing in Valley IV?

[north moth]

thats why I just copy paste from other people.

[fervent stratus]

Prob not XD

[grizzled osprey]

At least you do that after getting an understanding of the builds

[shrewd knoll]

plenty of water on the plateau

[grizzled osprey]

I've seen people unable to even put in one missing unloader when it was obviously ferrium

(in a blueprint with a missing unloader)

[grizzled osprey]

[calm crow]

You sold me on contaminating Valley IV waters

[nova cradle]

oh shit you're right this is better. I probably would have figured this out but really later. I do intend to make it efficient at saving space but cool too!

[calm crow]

Time to unleash "fresh air" and "fresh water"

[north moth]

we dont like water here in valley 4, we just live on pure originium drugs.

[shrewd knoll]

water is clearly illegal in valley 4

[nova cradle]

i was thinking i was gonna go "inwards" for the last belt frfr

[plain yarrow]

One of them was just switched off, literally on the first region and the last patch I came to personally audit ._.

[grizzled osprey]

It's criminal for the scan to mark clean water when it's unusable

[grizzled osprey]

[misty parrot]

Whats the best way to get power into the main part Lodespring? Though the tunnel. Im coming from the science park

[grizzled osprey]

Time to go gift stuff to my pog

[shrewd knoll]

you can teleport to TP with relay wire in hand

to cross some nasty boundaries

you can skip some chasm and tunnels and save a few relays

[misty parrot]

im currently at the first TP and im trying to figure out the best route

[grizzled osprey]

Ohh I didn't know that 😭

[misty parrot]

I was hoping I can come across to the south where the Red Bolote is, but I dont see how

[shrewd knoll]

you can though

[north moth]

its not unusable, you can use it to get drowned.

[shrewd knoll]

but you have to be on the other side first

[nova cradle]

I am happy now. this is definitely way better

[grizzled osprey]

Sometimes my character drown in ankle deep water

[nova cradle]

ah yes i know i missed a belt. fixed it

the human eye can only see so much

[shrewd knoll]

heres a peak

[grizzled osprey]

And die from falls the length of a lego brick

[nova cradle]

i guess i can probably build diagonally or someething now

[north moth]

I wont let you be happy.

[nova cradle]

huhhh

that's actually cooler too

[grizzled osprey]

Lolol mover fitting units one space closer to each other, put the options in the 2x2 space that forms and put the stash in between the fitting units

[nova cradle]

to err is to be human and to be happy is never ending

centered protocol stash

that's cool

[grizzled osprey]

Hahahaha one issue, it's not perfectly symmetrical

Cuz the space between the fitting units is an even number

[misty parrot]

I see where I need to go now. I was trying to get up the cliff of the Red Bolete from the backside. I need to go to the bolete and TP back, then drop a zipline for when I make it to camp

[grizzled osprey]

Still less space taken

[nova cradle]

protocol stash 3x3...

[north moth]

lore accurate gacha players.

[grizzled osprey]

Don't call me out like that

[nova cradle]

why didnt they make a 2x2 protocol stash

[grizzled osprey]

[grizzled osprey]

Too convenient

What's the level of trust I need with an operator for the profile background

[shrewd knoll]

E5?

[grizzled osprey]

I need pog background

[shrewd knoll]

its the full potential

for their profile thing

[grizzled osprey]

I thought it was linked to trust

[unreal laurel]

i wish yvonne music could play when im in aic

it sounds great

[nova cradle]

this HAS to be it. A steel factory I can call my own 🥹

I made this all by myself no help at all real

[vestal tiger]

Maybe they'll make it be a le to change the default music

[unreal laurel]

nice

[nova cradle]

[vestal tiger]

Hg is a music studio that uses their games as advertisement after all

[tough oriole]

perfect

[vestal tiger]

Just as it should be

[north moth]

not yet. rotate stash upside down.

[unreal laurel]

nice,mines like 2.1k/13.1k

[vestal tiger]

Why

[unreal laurel]

dont ask why i use that much hc

[nova cradle]

no i have a new idea for the center. It fits one unloader :D

[unreal laurel]

i just said dont ask

[tough oriole]

you have enough power to power someone else's AIC

[unreal laurel]

probably

[north moth]

even better. saves 5 power.

[unreal laurel]

why are we producing 18hc if we dont use 18

we arent selling it are we?

[north moth]

wait hold. that wont work. you have 2 full lines. keep the stash as is.

[nova cradle]

I can make a steel part go through the Protocol stash it and lead it toward the HC battery. I can see im producing steel parts so fast it's crazy! I have never made such an efficient factory before ngl

[random hornet]

it's been 1 day, there's no crash

[nova cradle]

I typed up something new

[unreal laurel]

how often does the stash stash

[nova cradle]

every 8 seconds i think

or 10

lemme check

it's 8

perfect

[unreal laurel]

8 feels wrong

[nova cradle]

So like the steel part will loop back in and pump back out to the next facility

[shrewd knoll]

its 10 so it lines up with the factory production thing

so it doesnt give you any weird curves

[unique edge]

@shrewd knoll Now I finally understand why u guys ask me to use batteries

[unreal laurel]

so is it 8 or 10

[young stag]

we sell hcs wtf

[unique edge]

It drained all my originium

[unreal laurel]

why

[nova cradle]

why are splitters and convergers so pointless in this game

[shrewd knoll]

lies

[unreal laurel]

thats cap

[calm crow]

I like that we can put our buses anywhere in Wuling, but I hate the limit

[nova cradle]

[unreal laurel]

convergers are op

[young stag]

makes money..?

[nova cradle]

I dont know what im saying btw

[random hornet]

they are not

[nova cradle]

im probably using them wrong

[unreal laurel]

so i shouldnt be running with 10k extra power

[young stag]

only convergers are

[nova cradle]

[shrewd knoll]

my sushi HC battery factory disagrees

[random hornet]

they're the only thing that has depth in this entire AIC stuffs

[young stag]

obviously not?

[random hornet]

[shrewd knoll]

that's the factorio mindset, power manages itself

[unreal laurel]

why not use the steel on more crop A

[shrewd knoll]

but in this game, it just burns into the void

[unreal laurel]

im too broke for that, i play mindustry

[vestal tiger]

You has not used jt

[spare plover]

how many sandleaf and buckflower farms do u need to consistently farm out enough for purple batterys and capsule A’s

[random hornet]

power crashing as intended

[unreal laurel]

wdym as intended

[nova cradle]

I have for these. I think I'm using it wrong I treat factory building more like painting than efficiency

[random hornet]

idk how to explain, just watch this part: https://youtu.be/TYaoqYkaSpI?t=115

[north moth]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-surprised-bible-gif-9594312300224088637

[nova cradle]

This is basically one factory and i just pair it

[unreal laurel]

WHY

[nova cradle]

and i got lucky that it fit one sub-pac base

[ornate frigate]

Okay, how tf do I make usage go to 25/min instead of 30/min?

[nova cradle]

i know what you're about to say. My brain fried for making these nice looking factories. Maybe I shouldn't share blue prints at all

[cunning fable]

I wonder how long until the devs add a way to craft pull currency with the factories

[nova cradle]

i was getting kinda confident

[cunning fable]

your factory is inefficient you have 6 output ports going into 8 refineries

[ornate frigate]

I keep hitting 120/min in Ferrium usage in Wuling, bruh... Need it to be 115/min to be stable

[unreal laurel]

idk but if stash stashes every 8 seconds my setup produces 7.5 sandleaf seed/min

[outer patrol]

I WISH THERES NO LIMIT ON PLACING THIS

[random hornet]

so instead of producing 3-4 bat + 3 component every minute, I can produce 4.5 bat + 3 component every minute

[north moth]

tbf they look nice.

[nova cradle]

it's actually 9 refineries

[potent burrow]

So.... I tried optimizing the factory..... And... My brain is burning.... I didn't do anything... Can someone please point me in the right direction? What's what people would consider Maxing out production in Valley IV and Wulling?

[cunning fable]

ntm the way its setup it will clog up and not go full speed

[random hornet]

also bc everything else in this game bored me to the core

[shrewd knoll]

you need to net at least 8 batteries per minute to break even on the outpost

[nova cradle]

if it clogs up it means the depot is full then!

[ornate frigate]

So no one knows? :(

[random hornet]

I'm breaking even alright

[nova cradle]

so many ZzZ now on the Refineries LOL

[spice summit]

tf does place s not high enought for placement

wtf

[unreal laurel]

is it bad that i somehow produce 7.5 sandleaf seeds per min

[cunning fable]

no the belts are not fast enough to support that kind of load, they are made for 1 each

[spice summit]

^

[shrewd knoll]

well if you can balance out the meds i guess that works

[unreal laurel]

anyone?

[nova cradle]

Now that I know bout the sleeping facility making it a 33% efficiency issue I feel eager to remake this into something cooler

[shrewd knoll]

or you can just add 4 refineries to the front of that other setup so you dont need to go banking the processed ferrium

[grizzled osprey]

Eh like net production?

[cunning fable]

@nova cradle this is the way you should set it up

[nova cradle]

I see. Ill fix it. I wanna make this better

[unreal laurel]

like i yield that but dont use it

[boreal snow]

That’s not really possible unless you add a stutter for ferrium flow

[unreal laurel]

dont ask how i pulled off 7.5

[cunning fable]

1 output to 2 refiners

[unreal laurel]

no

[ornate frigate]

How do I do that, man

[grizzled osprey]

Nah it's fine, probably just means you just clogged one powder output

[unreal laurel]

nothings clogged

i literally got a protocol stash that yoinks a sandleaf seed off the mainline

[nova cradle]

I also have a version of the refinery factory that has fitting units at the end too

That full refinery factory is something I added beforek nowing the fact about having too much facilities

[grizzled osprey]

why tho, wouldn't the loop run out if you do that? Or are you not supplying anything else with that line

[unreal laurel]

i dont need the full 3sandleaf powder so it losing a seed every stash cycle doesnt hurt production

[ornate frigate]

The facilities must clog

[nova cradle]

it looks like this :D

[grizzled osprey]

alright but you can leave it to clog, one powder doesn't hurt

[unreal laurel]

it wasnt intentional,its by design

[nova cradle]

basically i just change the facilities around as long as it's 3x3 it can fit

then i just base my next factories on that shape

[unreal laurel]

the setup breaks if i dont do that

literally

[grizzled osprey]

I can't fathom how that works

[unreal laurel]

cause that protocol stash is used to store my output and the seed belt cant go anywhere else but through

[nova cradle]

I see the practicality of it all. I wanted to kinda "loop" my fatory back in so it will look nice. I didn't really think about of just producing for the sake of producing hehe

[grizzled osprey]

if it works it works

[unreal laurel]

i can show an image if that helps

[cunning fable]

Yea I understand, I played satisfactory but the current capability of factories cant work with that output

[grizzled osprey]

Yea share

[cunning fable]

we need faster belts

[grizzled osprey]

Everyone except me seems to be a satisfactory or factorio player

[north moth]

With all that splitting and clogging, this one has same result as that entire thing.

[cunning fable]

bro have you played them? they are fun af

[grizzled osprey]

PC only? I still gotta get my laptop

[nova cradle]

I have seen videos of satisfactory. I do think a faster belt would be nice. If it is probably too OP for the game at least maybe they can give the fast belt mechanic as a difficult unlockable feature

[cunning fable]

you arent a true gamer until you have played on either console or PC

[grizzled osprey]

I've played, my laptop brok

[supple helm]

is it just me or is the ferrium amount in Wuling just pitiful

[glad prairie]

tbh i want faster belt too, the conjoining belt attachment has almost no purpose

[cunning fable]

make them go straight down in a single line, saves on space and they dont have to go down a whole belt

[grizzled osprey]

Yea, people metastoring more ferrium just to slightly increase it

[unreal laurel]

dont question the logistics that require a seed belt

[nova cradle]

i see. Maybe I should try to make my inputs have no use of the logistics ports when designing a factory. I think this might fix all the issues I have with sleepy facilities

[cunning fable]

I would suggest not filling up storage with seeds, theres no need to

[grizzled osprey]

[unreal laurel]

pls dont

[grizzled osprey]

I have to know

How that ends up

[unreal laurel]

look at my cryston bp i put in the bp channel....

[cunning fable]

atm yes but for items that take more than 2 seconds to craft it actually works well

[unreal laurel]

see for yourself

[grizzled osprey]

why seed pickers only having 1 output belt

[glad prairie]

i mean if its already crafted theres no need to put it into the attachment just throw it into storage, if the conjoining attachment had a real purpose it would be to avoid belt clutter

[unreal laurel]

which one?

[nova cradle]

if that pic is an example that my 6 unloader factory functions like 2 refineries.. then i guess this 4 unloader factory is basically 1 refinery?

[north moth]

you only want logistic ports when you need to split a full line into multiple non filled lines. Like some factories need 2 of item A but only need 1 of item B. In that case you can split item B full line into two half and send it to a second factory. Similarly if a factory is making item every 10 second, your output line will be mostly emply, so you can merge other items on it to save space.

[cunning fable]

if you have a compact build with multiple factories next to each other it may become useful to have them go down the same belt to a storage unit

[grizzled osprey]

Every single one of them if I'm not wrong

[nova cradle]

wow oki that makes so much sense now for factory building. I thought the ports will function like 100% to my intended output of one items if I just add more

[cunning fable]

I honestly just cant wait until they flesh out the factory building a bit more, it would be nice to be able to craft the pull currency even if you are limited to a single pull worth every day

[glad prairie]

the only way i see that being better than just putting the storage unit right inbetween the 2 factories is if the storage unit is behind a 1 block gap and theres only room for 1 belt

[vestal tiger]

That would be lovely

[unreal laurel]

Please don't question the nonsense which is my cryston bp

[nova cradle]

im going to take a nap my head hurts now

[cunning fable]

making it so we can craft pull currency would encourage more players to learn the factory building

ntm we do need more sources for pull currency anyway, the game is pretty stingy atm

[north moth]

do the factory simulations tutorials, they are quite good to teach you almost everything.

[unreal laurel]

U forgot abt ctrl c and v?

[cunning fable]

?

what about them

[unreal laurel]

....

[cunning fable]

having access to copy paste isnt going to make the most efficient build, everyone will be making their own and its up to the player to discover the most effective build

[unreal laurel]

U don't get it

[ornate frigate]

Only played Mindustry here lmao

[grizzled osprey]

Top left one isn't clogging?

This is ideal for plants

[unreal laurel]

The shredder might clog?

[ornate frigate]

Facilities clogging is aight imo

[nova lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/endfield-satisfactory-factory-arknights-endfield-gif-9216451281544029262

[grizzled osprey]

Depends on how they clog

[cunning fable]

I wonder when the devs plan to release the 2nd half of wuling

[unreal laurel]

Same

[grand vault]

HOW !?

https://tenor.com/view/como-kung-fu-panda-how-idk-i-dont-no-gif-5173331986620374410

[crimson inlet]

next month if they're fast, 2-4 months standard

[shrewd knoll]

2 months if they want the game to die

[cunning fable]

they probably already have it finished they probably just plan on releasing it at a certain time

[ornate frigate]

I'm having thoughts that they'll release a 6 star gear very soon, but I just can't prove it

[crimson inlet]

that too

[grizzled osprey]

2 input lines instead of 2 output lines on top left seed picker

Wait nvm I'm blind

[shrewd knoll]

since there is no end game content of any kind

[crimson inlet]

imagine they don't and force us to fight stronger enemies with low gear

[grizzled osprey]

I should've slept more

[ornate frigate]

I mean tbf, no endgame at the moment, and world enemies are Level 60

[grizzled osprey]

Ok ig it's alright, bottom shredder slightly loses production is all

[crimson inlet]

level cap is also 90, so...

[ornate frigate]

5* gear is only at Level 70

HMMMM

[crimson inlet]

in the future, gold gear will be standard

[cunning fable]

I seriously hope the devs give us another 4 forges so we can at least produce 180 per min

[crimson inlet]

SKILLS MATTER THE MOST

[unreal laurel]

No it doesn't,it only uses 2/3 output lines so losing 1seed very stash cycle just reduces clogging

[crimson inlet]

my main dps died and forced my way into fighting with akekuri

[cunning fable]

60 xiranite a min is too slow

[grizzled osprey]

Ohh two output lines? Then It's perfect

[crimson inlet]

I love how sandleaf is the most essential material for advance materials

[grizzled osprey]

Plus you get free seeds, better than letting the system clog

[grizzled osprey]

And we don't get it till plateau

[crimson inlet]

once you have 2 plants, you're basically set for a infinite sandleaf farm

[ornate frigate]

Yeah man, like I don't wanna balance out Battery production with Component and Liquid Xiranite production, and storing Xiranite

Thank God there's an item control port tho

[grizzled osprey]

Gotta do almost entire v4 before you get those 2 plants

[cunning fable]

control port is useless tbh, I have not found a single use for it

[crimson inlet]

when I unlocked power plateau, I immediately made cryston parts and HC batteries

[cunning fable]

just takes up extra space

[ornate frigate]

You can pause or turn on an item to go through it

[cunning fable]

you can do that with bus outputs already

[grizzled osprey]

If you want exactly 2000 components when you wake up you can limit the number of raw materials that pass and go do something else

[crimson inlet]

I do it for my Xirenite liquid

[cunning fable]

oh you can set a certain number?

[grizzled osprey]

Upto 5000

[shrewd knoll]

control port is essential for sushi factory

[crimson inlet]

making 50 and then stopping it for moving to the production line

[cunning fable]

the what factory

[crimson inlet]

then I can reset or make it into 500

[shrewd knoll]

sushi is a term refering to one thing doing many things

[cunning fable]

this setup makes 0 sense, where are the orange cubes coming from theres a blue cube factory where the belt comes from

[ornate frigate]

Okay, I kinda thought of a set-up to reduce my Ferrium usage, but it might drop it down to 114/min

Lemme see

[shrewd knoll]

its an actual working factory producing HC batteries at a very low efficiency

[cunning fable]

wait you have it producing 2 cubes at the same time? how tf

[zealous pelican]

hi guys

[signal reef]

it's because the bottom shredder is currently active as a "ferrium powder" maker, it alternates between ferrium powder and originium powder

[zealous pelican]

what the max efficiency for wuling ?

[shrewd knoll]

because of how the splitter works

it alternates between each powder

and makes sure one doesnt overfill the other

[zealous pelican]

currently i only build xiranite disc n wuling bat

[jovial breach]

12 battery 6 syringe/drink

[shrewd knoll]

they will always enter in order

it just works

[jovial breach]

Or 6 battery 6 drink 3 component

[golden sapphire]

you wish 6 syringe

[zealous pelican]

but we only have 2 of the core thing tho

[jovial breach]

Yes

[golden sapphire]

it's like 5.75 syringes at a deficit

[shrewd knoll]

the converger before the single refinery in this build, makes it so that it never overproduce one or the other

[nova lodge]

need to manual transfer the ferrium and it should be mostly fine.

[cunning fable]

nah bro I got plenty of space to make both at once