aic-factory

[storm junco]

As long within 80m for relay

Idk for electric pylon range

[short latch]

so i unlock buck capsules A for trade to start look for bp for it ?

[grizzled osprey]

Have you seen some of the stuff people are upto

[storm junco]

Dapan bug?

[grizzled osprey]

Someone filled that 40k volume hole in the ground with yazhen solution

Why

Wait it was 400k actually I forgor

Can you drown in yazhen solution

Can you pour yazhen solution plus xiranite solution

[storm junco]

Is it like the shimmer in terraria?

[grizzled osprey]

I have so many questions

[trail vine]

what are the max mineral yields in Valley 4?

[nova lodge]

nothing much better to do.
and yes, you will drown in it without any heals received.

[hidden temple]

560 240 1080

ori ame fer

[trail vine]

wait I'm missing 20 originuum?

[weak wolf]

Anyone know which operator is good for wuling trading?-

[hidden temple]

mayhaps

wulfgard

[storm junco]

Question why is some vein is not developed when i try to put drill on it

[trail vine]

is there originuum in this spot of the map?

[grizzled osprey]

Region development too low

[nova lodge]

got fernium node there.

[grizzled osprey]

Ferrium

[trail vine]

fuck

ok time to do a cross-check

[storm junco]

Owh that explained something

[raw spindle]

leet knowledge

[grizzled osprey]

I need to go find all recycling stations in wuling and max them

To finally get to regional development level 7

[storm junco]

Did you fried most valley owl?

[grizzled osprey]

They've probably already gotten all chests and aurylenes in both regions too 😭

[nova lodge]

max is 6 btw ;v

[grizzled osprey]

WHAT

Noooo

I need that one free pull

[storm junco]

Do valley owl recycle carry to wulling,?

[trail vine]

oh lmao

[grizzled osprey]

Welp to hell with wuling recycling stations I guess

[storm junco]

Or u need to manual transfer

[nova lodge]

both storage for aerospace material is cross shared between region
update: basically if you upgrade dijiang, it will count the total of aerospace material from both regions.

[trail vine]

turns out I forgot to add a drill to one of the early game spots

that got an extra mining spot once I raised development

[grizzled osprey]

Both just have to be used in dijiang so doesn't matter I guess

[storm junco]

I se

[cyan jay]

Can a package unit make enough battery for five thermal banks or is four the max?

[trail vine]

4 is max

in fact, 4 is exactly enough to consume the entirety of a packaging unit's output

[storm junco]

I wonder if carbon can be turn back into yahzen 🤔

[trail vine]

since a packaging unit makes one per 10 seconds, and each thermal bank consumes one per 40 seconds

[storm junco]

I mean carbon must have other hidden recipe

[nova lodge]

that's like saying charred black pizza can be turned back to normal lel

[white sun]

idk but why not put yahzen into that 40000 litre hole

[storm junco]

Jiancao better

[grizzled osprey]

Go burn a plant and try to get back the plant from the ashes

[nova lodge]

the amount of production and effort that went into that 40K hole is insane lul

[hidden temple]

refined carbon fitted with amethyst fiber for next tier of components?

[storm junco]

U can turn a yahzen solution in a bottle into yahzen solution and ferium bottle

[grizzled osprey]

They just connected one piper and let it sit for a while

[teal cliff]

anyone know why? my yield of originium is only at 310 in wuling but a friend of mine has it at 360 got all mineral beds max level region and for some reason I'm still at 310

[tulip goblet]

Really wished this game had an Overflow gate of sorts.

[grizzled osprey]

because you're just taking the solution out of the bottle

[teal cliff]

ty to anyone who can answer

[nova lodge]

some of your miners wasn't connected ;v
or you forgot to check some of the nodes for mining.

[storm junco]

Does saparating unit only saparate bottle

[teal cliff]

all of em are powered

[storm junco]

🤔

[trail vine]

are cryston gear components used for endgame gear?

[nova lodge]

if you just ran through the story, there will be some new nodes that pops out at higher RDL levels.

[trail vine]

or are they obsolete once you're out of valley 4?

[hidden temple]

nope, lotta people skip purple gear

[foggy arch]

those red ones are 120 in deficit, but the one above compensates with 170, right? if i close the game im not gonna wake up with everything blacked out

[raw spindle]

nah you're cooked

[grizzled osprey]

You at max development level?

[nova lodge]

obsollete once you got xiranite gears for now.

[tulip goblet]

You need to develop your region, essentially advancing in leveling up.

When you click on a mining space, you will see Low Purity and High purity. Low Purity is 1 mineral per 6 seconds, whilst high purity is 1 per 3 seconds. When you eventually upgrade everything, you will see everything at max Purity, giving the most profit.

[trail vine]

awh, that means I set up the production line for no reason

[mortal plinth]

My game just crashed trying to move a bunch of depots.... oof xD

[hidden temple]

they're at rdl6

[tulip goblet]

You can use the materials for cargo.

[foggy arch]

well idk how to fix it anymore i give up

[hidden temple]

only explanation is they missed a rig

[raw spindle]

can you send full screenshot

[storm junco]

The vein that hasn't developed yet

[nova lodge]

need to cross compare with actual usage as well, since theoretical data isn't the complete picture.

[mortal plinth]

Maybe ill lower my graphics for the time i spend building my factory...hope that solves it

[hidden temple]

yeah, wasn't developed when they rigged up the vein and it unlocked afterwards

[teal cliff]

see

[storm junco]

Probably the shietties feeling

[foggy arch]

please tell me it will live

[storm junco]

Since you need to visit it again

[hidden temple]

wait you're rdl5

does 6 give purity

[storm junco]

Like all of em

[grizzled osprey]

@teal cliff just to be sure open the map, click mission reminders-> gathering tips. Do this in both wuling city and the stockade area and make sure it doesn't mention any unpowered rigs or unrigged veins

[raw spindle]

okay you should be fine actually

[worn vapor]

no

[hidden temple]

ah

[worn vapor]

at least not in wuling

[teal cliff]

nope nothing

[raw spindle]

sometimes theoretical doesn't properly reflect current usage

[grizzled osprey]

Lol you don't need to check each individually

[storm junco]

Me who cannot live now without sandleaf in my recipe

[grizzled osprey]

Damn idk then

[nova lodge]

if your buildings aren't going at full capacity, live usage data is more accurate, just need to wait a bit.
theoritical data is the maximum output any given building can achieve.

[storm junco]

Need xyranite ,put sandleaf

[foggy arch]

someone recommended me their very cool blue battery thermal bank, i was low on power so i had to mutilate their plan and make this

[storm junco]

Need hc battery put sandleaf

[foggy arch]

this*

[storm junco]

Need buck capsule a put sandleaf

[raw spindle]

ay if it works it works 😭

[foggy arch]

until i get the last upgrade this should do

[grizzled osprey]

@teal cliff you missed a spot in one of the clouded areas lemme check where one sec

[storm junco]

So why the heck we need 3 sandleaf poweder for one carbon

[worn vapor]

you don't thats just how sandleaf splits into powder

[nova lodge]

you will produce excessive blue batteries with that setup, better connect 1 of the lines with splitters which connects to both thermal banks and protocol stash.

[grizzled osprey]

@teal cliff the area under sanku ridge has a mining spot, figure out how to get to it

[foggy arch]

only 1?

[storm junco]

In aic i put 3 sandleaf poweder for each depot and hoook it to 1 refinery to make 1 carbon

[teal cliff]

ty onto #help

[storm junco]

And then i am gonna post it to arknight Einfield official

[nova lodge]

consumption for thermal banks is 40 sec for 1 battery, so 1 line can easliy fulfill up to 4 thermal banks needs.
excess can be stored for future use.

[foggy arch]

should this abomination work

[raw spindle]

👍

[nova lodge]

works fine for now.
just make sure your splitter is facing the right way.

[grizzled osprey]

Yeah each thermal bank needs 25% of the output

Minimum

[short latch]

so i unlock buck capsules A for trade to start look for bp for it ?

[foggy arch]

is it...?

[nova lodge]

i just do something like this lul
can be expanded whenever i felt like it.

[grizzled osprey]

They wanna keep v4 plants more useless than wuling plants

[grizzled osprey]

Yea same same

With thermal bank on both sides 👍🏼

[storm junco]

Buck A capsule carry

Until my outpost run out of money

[grizzled osprey]

All my outposts are dry

[storm junco]

You are a tyrant endmin

[grizzled osprey]

I'm just giving meds

I really need those credits to get level 90 chen

I'm out of levelling material

[nova lodge]

i force feed you with meds.
you gib good credits.

endfield industries.

[grizzled osprey]

Ig I should grind that next

[grizzled osprey]

You and I are the same
-Nefarith... I think

[nova lodge]

yes, we are, capitalist democrat vs communism.

[naive bison]

Hello! should I do many production but slow or few production but fast??

[storm junco]

Tommorow is last day for laevantein

And yvonne

[sudden egret]

Make whatever you can sell for the most at the outposts

[grizzled osprey]

6 hrs

[storm junco]

Idk why yvonne wont enter standard banner

[naive bison]

but Idk which one is more effective tho

[grizzled osprey]

What is your AIC size?

[naive bison]

yvonne will be the 3rd banner after Gilberta

[sudden egret]

HC Batteries, Buck [A]
Since you'll have amethyst left over, make Buck [C]

[hidden temple]

few but fast
you're limited by power, the less facilities the better
having two setups at half rate achieves nothing over just 1 full efficiency setup

[naive bison]

all max even in Wuling :>

[grizzled osprey]

Also do you wanna build yourself or just wanna copy?

[naive bison]

okay okay thank uu

[storm junco]

So everyone who get early yvonne is winning?

[naive bison]

I guess... if you main her then yes

[grizzled osprey]

Anyway just do HC batteries and Capsule A for valley

[sudden egret]

Sort of. They probably didn't intend to pull her if they got her already

[grizzled osprey]

Like

[sudden egret]

Getting Yvonne early means they lost a 50/50 when they tried to pull Laev

[naive bison]

literally me

[sudden egret]

So someone may consider that a win if they wanted Yvonne already, or a loss if they'd rather have Laev

[grizzled osprey]

and then they get guaranteed lae too

[cedar bay]

If you have a bit of clogging that can be cleared once you balance input / output should you clear it by taking a few items from the chain or does it not matter at all?

[storm junco]

Actually you can still get laevantein in 120 pull 🗿

[nova lodge]

i just do a bit of everything for valley 4 (focused on capsule A and battery) since i am too lazy to keep restocking on goods whenever i need em ;v.

[sudden egret]

Yeah but in the process of getting the guarentee, you're guarenteed 1 50/50, possibly 2 50/50s

[sinful wind]

so i have just unlock wuling AIC whats the best thing to start crafting first?

[nova lodge]

xiranite

[short latch]

where get her ?

[naive bison]

oh in Valley IV I am doing so well, I am reaching millions sksksk I'm trying to maximized my Wuling one since its still limited for us to use some Units there

[storm junco]

At lae banner?

[grizzled osprey]

Xiranite then xiranite batteries

[sinful wind]

thanks!

[sudden egret]

Yvonne is technically available in a very low chance in the current banner, and next banner tomorrow. However, Yvonne will have a dedicated banner for her in 2 weeks

[grizzled osprey]

stock redistribution giving millions in one transaction

[storm junco]

Meaning we can rest for another two week making the factory grow

If got yvonne

[grizzled osprey]

Just wait for that under 70% price drop

[cedar bay]

I can't wait until we can get Wulling like this.

[nova lodge]

THE FACTORY MUST GROW!

[storm junco]

THE FACTORY MUST GROW!

[jovial breach]

Imagine the pipes

[storm junco]

There no pipe in bashingsee

[hidden temple]

laffing paipes

[grizzled osprey]

I think I should go clean up my horrible mess of an AIC in wuling

Especially gotta switch to yazhen carbon

[storm junco]

Same i need to replace those buck powder with yahzen plant x.x

[grizzled osprey]

or should I just leave it be, it gives enough heals and enough batteries

And some gear components too

[nova lodge]

as long as your xiranite is producing 60 along with everything else, it should be fine.

can add another battery line production once your gear component had reached a good amount.

[raw spindle]

damn i always forget it's only 2 weeks, feels so short

[mortal plinth]

what the heck...ALL of this just to make HC batteries?.... ... are they even worth it over just making the cheaper batteries?

[raw spindle]

giga worth

[nova lodge]

yes, worth, and its a must

thy shall know the true value of sandleaf!

[raw spindle]

🗣️

[mortal plinth]

120 energy just from those buildings...lmao

[nova lodge]

HC battery also sells for way more, so you gotta need to do it.

[raw spindle]

it gives like thousands of energy

definitely worth

[mortal plinth]

well 1100 - 120 from the production buildings

[nova lodge]

buildings only take a tiny portion lul

[mortal plinth]

you gotta cover the building's costs afterall

[raw spindle]

x4

[trail vine]

so which quest(line) unlocks this bit?

[nova lodge]

UNLIMITED POWER!
then xiranite battery comes along.

[lucid python]

None just hug the right of that cliff from the PAC and it’ll curve up

[grizzled osprey]

I've got two batteries running, idk how I have gears running along with that I gotta check

[unreal marsh]

now I know I'm mega poor and shouldn't have checked this channel

[nova lodge]

your batteries probably not at full production speed.

[storm junco]

Do you know you can power thermal bank with origium

But can you power it with xyranite only?

[lucid python]

We are hard capped so hard in wuling rn pray we get way more sky forges

[grizzled osprey]

Oh, yeah I had the same thought, if you literally use depot unloaders for all materials then lower tier stuff is better... But I forgot that I could make infinite plants without depot unloaders so yeah it's really worth it after I figured that out

[short latch]

is a locked gate there

[nova lodge]

it will be unlocked after sufficient progress pass the main story, but i forgot which part.

[storm junco]

So can you power thermal bank with xyranite only?

[grizzled osprey]

Better to just use that originum for batteries, and anyway originium isn't getting me 4.3k power

[nova lodge]

gimme a moment, gonna test.

[hidden temple]

xira is a derivative of originium but idk

[lucid python]

That makes sense ^ I don’t remember doing anything for it

[mortal plinth]

ill do some calculations and see if its worth, afterall, spamming battery production on a sub AIC is so easy

[small wharf]

how did you guys start wuling factory? its literally inhaling all the power even just placing pylons

[grizzled osprey]

It's definitely worth it trust, but sure run your own calculations, always reassuring

[hidden temple]

backpack import some hc batts, feed it to thermal temporarily, get wuling battery line set up

[nova lodge]

not possible it seems.

[grizzled osprey]

Metastorage HC batteries from valley

[storm junco]

Xyranite is unlimited

[grizzled osprey]

Xiranite batteries

[storm junco]

Because we have unlimited water

[nova lodge]

i know, i am using xiranite batteries atm, just testing out if xiranite alone would work.

[high dagger]

Phew, the production line for sc valley battery is insane. Needs so much stuff

[storm junco]

Awww

[grizzled osprey]

Oh wait right I forgot xiranite is basically water

[lucid python]

Blueprints my beloved

[grizzled osprey]

Ok it doesn't work, good to know

Also it doesn't make sense it doesn't work

Hm

It should def

[storm junco]

But can you power it with yahzen solution?

[grizzled osprey]

That's really stretching it

Batteries don't even have liquid inflow points

[nova lodge]

nope, doens't work either.
that;s like putting buckflower capsule into thermal banks

[high dagger]

I could use blueprint but at this point my base is a chaotic mess. I need to tidy it up.

[hidden temple]

is wuling water special? how on earth are we producing a some kinda originium distillate with just plants and water

[storm junco]

You can have yahzen bottle

[short latch]

after reach power plateau maybe

[storm junco]

Ferrium however

Is very scarce in wulling

[lucid python]

You want to kind of make everything for future proofing facility crafting mats and then switch to max profit bp at max regional

18 buck a 18 hc batt 24 canned citrome c

[high dagger]

Hc? Not Sc?

[lucid python]

And ~ 5 yazhen syringes 12 wuling batts

[lucid python]

The purple one that’s hc right?

[high dagger]

Wait wait wuling? I'm still at valley xD

Purple is SC as far as I know

[storm junco]

Wuling battery at 1600 power 🥀

[lucid python]

Just have to make sure you put literally every mining rig down as you progress

[storm junco]

But you cannot use wuling battery in v4 🤔

[grizzled osprey]

Oh yeah, I'm using exactly 750 xiranite an hour for components so that's not too bad

[mortal plinth]

ok so after doing some calculations, making 3 production lines of SC batteries would use 13 more squares while providing 140 more power than a single HC line

the buildings alone tho

[cedar bay]

Wulling is kind of like Valley except instead of having an abundance of resources you have 1 ore to mine & a puddle of water. An told to make a functioning factory.

[mortal plinth]

im not exactly a pro at building factories tho so maybe after ading the lines and everything the difference in size is significantly worse

[sudden egret]

Now calculate the value of batteries sold

[high dagger]

I mean I'm doing that. It is just that sometimes I need to double the production line otherwise the output isn't enough for what is needed. For example, for thermal bank with sc, I need at least 4 shredders for originum powder, 2 shredders for sandleaf and 2 grinders for the dense originum. I also need twice the lines for the steel parts otherwise the batteries aren't made fast enough for the thermal bank consumption. I wanted to make it as compact as possible but I'm struggling a bit due to the amount of facilities

[mortal plinth]

i mean. do i really need to sell batteries late game? xD i aint there yet so idk.

[nova lodge]

ehh....shouldn't it be 60 xiranite per min usage / 3600 xiranite usage per hour?
for gears: 30 / 1800 per hour
did you dip into your battery production lul?

[sudden egret]

Depending on what character you're grinding for, absolutly

[grizzled osprey]

How are you sourcing your plants, don't use the depot unloaders for plants, each HC production line (2 grinders) should take like a quarter of the map

[lucid python]

Both to get to late game and for late game, more you sell faster outposts lvl up and faster you get max regional

[grizzled osprey]

Unless you're making crazy stuff like that chicken guy who made the HDEF

[azure minnow]

how do i get more higher regional development level? im stuck at 11 in valley 4

[sudden egret]

Upgrade EVERYTHING

[lucid python]

You guys are somewhere in v4? I used skys blueprints early on before swapping to pure profit

[azure minnow]

wym everything

[sudden egret]

Recycling centers, stock redistributers, outposts, depots

fucking EVERYTHING

[nova lodge]

pretty sure you can, just that its a hassle to ship it back to V4.

[mortal plinth]

also its 30 for SC and 70 for HC, if we're talking about selling, mass producing SC would get 3 times as many batteries out so its effectively a 90 for SC vs the 70 for HC. only issue is storage would fill up faster

[lucid python]

Can get max regional in 3 days

[storm junco]

I wonder can you use transfer..

[vital gull]

what can i make only with ferrium that makes me alot of money i got no originium left

[storm junco]

Using wuling transfer

[sudden egret]

No, your issue is you're using more SC batteries, so you're coming out with less

[nova lodge]

dijiang manual transfer.
wulling regional transfer not available yet.

[grizzled osprey]

No I'm putting all xiranite into depot and sourcing 750 dense origocrust powder (or blocks idk) from metastorage so that exactly 750 xiranite gets used and doesn't impact battery production by much

[mortal plinth]

no ? you use half, sell the other half. that'd be the same for both sides

[sudden egret]

You don't use half of HC, you use 1/3

[mortal plinth]

and as i said earlier 3 SC production lines are comparable to 1 HC production line

[sudden egret]

If you're using half your HC production, you have INSANE power waste

[nova lodge]

setting up pipes at the other end of the AIC as a 'just in case' basis lul

[lucid python]

I should power cycle min max v4

[mortal plinth]

welp, as i said i aint a good builder

[sudden egret]

I make 18/m HC batteries, using 6/m total. I make 12/m spare. You need to beat that, along with powering 18/m Buck [A]

[nova lodge]

got 1 up here too.

[mortal plinth]

regardless then its also 1/3 for SC too then

or am i missing something

[lucid python]

And 24 canned citrome C :3 max profit but first they should set up automation to get every facility mat max

[sudden egret]

Yes, powering hte rest of your place

[grizzled osprey]

You learn with trial and error... I could send you my stupid prototypes as they improved with each iteration unless I deleted the unusable ones

[mortal plinth]

nope, thats already in the calculation

[sudden egret]

You claim to make 18/m of SC, for every 6/m HC I make

Does the ore usage support you making 48/m

[mortal plinth]

ah right, forgot about ore usage, thats a problem

i get it now.

[mortal plinth]

lol, have you seen my first one?

[thorn cloak]

Has the factory Meta changed at all?

[sudden egret]

Also another problem you wouldn't be able to address. How you making other shit if all your depot ports are set to making batteries

Because your 3x SC Batteries, would need to be 10 or less to equal or be better than HC bats

[mortal plinth]

i mean theres the sub-AIC which i heard most ppl dont really bother using

[sudden egret]

Because when you have the 18/18/24 settup, a spare AIC is inevitable unless they're terrible with space

People would use the 4th sector, if the ore amounts allowed it

[mortal plinth]

yep probably

[misty wasp]

[mortal plinth]

it seems my old production line is impossible to place now....smh

[sudden egret]

You might have made a line in such a way the game didn't like

I remember doing shit like that on a couple of the sims

It's bullshit

[mortal plinth]

not that i need it anymore. but its kinda annoying...i wanted to keep it as a memory

[nova lodge]

PRTS - data error.

[sudden egret]

Just save what you can as a blueprint

[mortal plinth]

I did but i didnt have the expansions yet, and the PAC main building was in a very specific spot on the map xD

And i had depots attached to it too....so i needed to place it literally in the exact position as before

[sudden egret]

Eh, but with the BP it''s easy to fix that

you place the blueprint, then replace the AIC

[jolly pilot]

rip, I made a big mistake. I lost power over night :(

[sudden egret]

oh no

[mortal plinth]

oh, im stupid, i already have screenshots of my old factory...i didnt need to do this

[sudden egret]

Once you get power back online I can help troubleshoot if you want

[sudden egret]

but I will need your graphs

[mortal plinth]

thats my very first one

[jolly pilot]

It's fine, My entire base is a makeshift base, I just slammed everything together. I'm going to completely redo it later

[mortal plinth]

highly ineficient ik

[lucid python]

Do you have a min max power cycle set up?

[jolly pilot]

What are the ideal production outputs

[mortal plinth]

didnt even have enough ore to fill all the space

[jolly pilot]

nope

[sudden egret]

18/m HC Bats
18/m Buck [A]
24/m Buck [C]

[mortal plinth]

usually what theoretical data says, or as close as possible.

[sudden egret]

If you need blueprints, check #1461542035617091681

[jolly pilot]

Cool, my current setup was doing 6/m HC bats and 24/m Buck A. It worked but I needed to produce components which went over the power limit. So I might try redoing it

[mortal plinth]

this is strictly for trading in valley 4?

[jolly pilot]

I'll give it a go myself because base building is the fun part now

[sudden egret]

Yes, Wuling has its own thing

[grizzled osprey]

Wuling has separate items

[mortal plinth]

yep...i need to redesign mine too now that i have ferrium...but im kinda dreading it cause its so much stuff... lmao

[sudden egret]

It won't be as bad as you think

As long as you don't fuck up the ratios

but I'm gonna be real. If you fuck up the ratios you need to take a free online math course

[grizzled osprey]

It's definitely as bad as you think, when you're still getting the hang of things

[mortal plinth]

@grizzled osprey check out my first factory

[grizzled osprey]

More like a "check the damn recipe before you assume the ratio" course on my part" 😔

[sudden egret]

I consider both to be in it, but I see your point

I won't pretend I didn't initially fuck up sandleaf myself super early on

Because I did

[mortal plinth]

i didnt have any expansions at the time, just one bus line

[grizzled osprey]

Not bad, I focused a lot on making everything compact and symmetrical

[grizzled osprey]

I'm just happy I caught onto sandleaf early on

[mortal plinth]

i just decided to put everything in a straight line at first, going from 1st building needed to make another item to another xD

[gleaming pilot]

can someone please help me from this problem

im having no end of issues

[grizzled osprey]

Could've easily finished building only to realise sandleaf was messed up

[mortal plinth]

a bit too much conveyor belts ngl

[gleaming pilot]

and need to share my screen to get it unfucked

[sudden egret]

This is the way to do it when learning what you need. Get the cycle first, then worry about compacting/optimizing

[gleaming pilot]

can anyone please help me

[sudden egret]

When I build a new BP to test out or w/e, first thing I do is creat the most basic of basic settups as a visual guide

[gleaming pilot]

and if u cant help now lemme know when u can ok

[sudden egret]

Then I compact from there

[gleaming pilot]

ill bbl

[sudden egret]

with what

[grizzled osprey]

probably why it took me 2 hrs with 2 failures to make the HC battery blueprint

[gleaming pilot]

@sudden egret i ripped up my layout cause the instructions were convoluted as hell and didnt make sense

[sudden egret]

ok

[gleaming pilot]

i need someone to watch my screen and step by step help me

but not right now

i have irl crap i gotta do

[grizzled osprey]

I just place everything roughly without belts then work towards shaping it

[gleaming pilot]

so logging out of game

[sudden egret]

youtube guide it

[gleaming pilot]

that wont help

im asking for help here

but not right now

[grizzled osprey]

Mm what's the issue

[gleaming pilot]

i suck at this satisfactory shit ok

[sudden egret]

I get that, but...if a guide on youtube won't help I'm actually confused what the problem is

[gleaming pilot]

im confused as fuck

[grizzled osprey]

Hahahaha

[sudden egret]

Because this shit is turbo-simple for factory building

[gleaming pilot]

i never played satisfactory is the issue

[grizzled osprey]

Yea it's fun

[gleaming pilot]

not my kind of game

[sudden egret]

You're probably over complicating 1 part and its confusing everything for you

[gleaming pilot]

well ill share my screen later ok - not right now

[grizzled osprey]

My only problem is how did that one guy make the high definition endgame forgery... I can't get over it

[sudden egret]

because most thigns in this are straight 1:1 ratios.
Send item into 1 building, send it into next building, combine with 3 other buildings into this one, pump out final part

[gleaming pilot]

and i need help with team building cause someone said to us a wack team i dont have built

[grizzled osprey]

How did he make it so compact 😭

[grizzled osprey]

What do you have

[gleaming pilot]

ill bbl tho ok gonna log out before i have a brain aneurysm

[grizzled osprey]

For 6 stars

[gleaming pilot]

only Last Rite

[grizzled osprey]

Ah

Idk then I use physical teams

[round barn]

WTH

[grizzled osprey]

how much pre are you getting

*ore

[sudden egret]

incomplete graph, show ores

[mortal plinth]

i kinda want to try stacking buildings tho...but it feels kinda impossible to do when using the BUS cause you block other Loaders and unloaders.... lmao

[mortal plinth]

this i mean

[sudden egret]

Found your problem

[round barn]

yep that's brown ore

[sudden egret]

You can't have half the income you need, then go WTH when your factory can't keep up

[mortal plinth]

since you cant put a conveyor in the side of a building

[sudden egret]

Your ferriumm ore is also bricked

[nova lodge]

need more ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡

[sudden egret]

and your sandleaf is bricked

[sudden egret]

Go on a pure mining set up journey right now

[grizzled osprey]

And that's the issue, go right more veins

[mortal plinth]

how do you use more sandleaf than you produce? .....thats ...impossible

[sudden egret]

Well considering they didn't know that using more than you produce in ores would fuck over the whole system...

[grizzled osprey]

As someone who once didn't use the infinite plants setup that's offensive

[grizzled osprey]

tru

Very true

[mortal plinth]

well ores are one thing...those come infinitely....but when youre out of sandleaf or another plant you're just screwed. you go back to picking them in the wild to start again LMAO

[grizzled osprey]

Tbh I wonder how wild that zigzag can get

[mortal plinth]

Very wild

[grizzled osprey]

Meh get 10 and you can create as many as you want

[mortal plinth]

exactly but its awkward when you got zero and need to go pick again xD

[nova lodge]

or just get one, and let the sandleaf loop for a while.

[grizzled osprey]

I just know one of these days someone's gonna make animations using conveyor belts

[nova lodge]

makes combo with pipes later....

[mortal plinth]

Too late, already happened

[distant ibex]

what is max orignium yield in wuling? We can place two forges but there's no way to make use of that with 170 yield i have

[mortal plinth]

ahem

[sudden egret]

360/0/90 for ores

[round barn]

I used more sandleaves in wuling that's why

[grizzled osprey]

I knew it

[sudden egret]

Well, no. Your graph is showing your theoretical use is dramatically higher than your theoretical gain. And it's backed up with usage matching actual yield. That has nothign to do with what you're sending Wuling

[distant ibex]

OH i'm missing a ton

[sudden egret]

Keep in mind, it may partially be because of RDL
But mostly finding new nodes

[primal willow]

Any1 got a wuling blueprint for area expansion 1 ?

[sudden egret]

check #1461542035617091681

[grizzled osprey]

Tbh I think they might just be talking about wuling sandleaf usage and not even metastorage transfer

[foggy arch]

@nova lodge since you seem to be most knowledgeable, will this go chernobyl style by the time i wake up tomorrow and log in

[sudden egret]

You're cooked

[distant ibex]

Ah RDL of course, the Rubbery Dolphin Laundry

[sudden egret]

in 13 hours you run out of orignium and it all shuts down

[round barn]

this is my sandleaves usage in wuling, when you put pin, it changes its graph

[grizzled osprey]

Region development something

Level

Yea

Region development level

[nova lodge]

i can't guarantee lel, since your Ferrium usage seems to be unstable atm.
if the usage is as low as its shown vs yield, then you should be fine to leave it be for now.

and of course, assuming you are powering everything using HC batteries.

[exotic aurora]

romanian deadlift?

[sudden egret]

Holy terrible graph wtf....Ok I want you to do me a favor, and check all your ratios. Things like sandleaf into powder. 1 Sandleaf turns into 3 powder, which you can export into 3 liens into your grinders

You may be able to save a ton of space, energy, and overall effort

[grizzled osprey]

It should survive 👍🏼

[sudden egret]

I don't mean this in a bad way, but I'm seeing critical misunderrsatnding on the ratios

Especially with Originium ore...using over 600 in Wuling is just not sustainable in anyway

[distant ibex]

Turns out I had all veins connected but I moved the PAC one meter to the side and all power in the china went down

[true echo]

guys is my factory good

[grizzled osprey]

How many sandleaf machines did they setup

[round barn]

bruh what are you talking about I've got so much sandleaves that's clogging in my pacs

[wild canopy]

I'm confused, I have all Ferrium in Wuling being mined and with power, but none is going into my depot...? Says 90/120 in the report for me

[sudden egret]

It works

[foggy arch]

these?

[pearl ermine]

xiranite btw

[sudden egret]

So I'm looking at your sandleaf. Your usage is insane, but the fact you're not running out means your shredders are improperly utilized. 1 Sandleaf turns into 3 powder. You can cut back on the amount of sandleaf you''re making by taking that into account freeing up space and power

[grizzled osprey]

@ and this is because of wrong ratios like @sudden egret said

[wild canopy]

What's going on here..?

[nova lodge]

yep, if HC battery is the only thing you use for powering everything and the produce is stable, then you can leave it be for now.
and of cousrse, assuming your Ferrium production is having higher yield than usage always.

[grizzled osprey]

The theoretical usage is insanely high

[sudden egret]

Normal wuling stuff

[wild canopy]

fuck fml i forgot i turned the relays off to save power shit that's it

I'm so dumb

[grizzled osprey]

Because you're probably using one sandleaf for one power

*powder

[round barn]

well there's not enuff mineral to yield

[grizzled osprey]

Lolol

[foggy arch]

its 20 above usage

[gentle vigil]

Does reactor crucible only need 1 water input? why are there 2?

[foggy arch]

so if i wake up tomorrow i wont see everything in red

[grizzled osprey]

Practical data should still show yield and usage as 90

[grizzled osprey]

No you shouldn't

[nova lodge]

data from the graph shows that the basic produce is stable in production, so you should be fine.

[foggy arch]

sigh of relief ive been playing this game for 12h idk whats more unstable my factory or me having to deal with these

[grizzled osprey]

Because you have two output pipes too, put two pipes and two powder, get two pipes with solution

[timid apex]

How do I get other peoples blueprints on PS5?

[sudden egret]

anyway, nap time for me

[nova lodge]

well you will know later, take it easy for now and have a good rest.
if the factory go boom, can always fix it later.
(i am still not 100% sure atm since the graph quite a bit of inconsistencies).

[gentle vigil]

if the blueprint I'm using only uses one output then I just need 1 water input?

[grizzled osprey]

Yep

[foggy arch]

the factory can be fixed but whos gonna fix me...

if it goes oomf another time i will go mental

[nova lodge]

go sleep ;v

[foggy arch]

oh yeah and this is 1 of 6 bases right

[grizzled osprey]

You good as long as the mats for the battery don't have higher practical usage than yield, and battery usage is also not higher than yield

[nova lodge]

total 5 bases.
1 wulling
4 valley

[grizzled osprey]

Dw the rest of the v4 bases combined are only a quarter of the main one

No wait

[foggy arch]

right..

[grizzled osprey]

Ugh I should sleep

3,4

3/4

[foggy arch]

okay one last update before i close this game, is this gonna explode or i can sleep calmly

[grizzled osprey]

Now my brain isn't braining imma hop off

[gentle vigil]

Does water get slower if it splits 3 ways? I noticed if I only split the water two ways it gets inputted faster

[cosmic quartz]

mine more origium

[grizzled osprey]

Oh one sec lemme see... 16 originium overused

[nova lodge]

looking good, go sleep for now.
can resume later.
everything looks stable andyou can work on your base later.

from the looks of things, battery production and usage is consistent.

[grizzled osprey]

@foggy arch that thing will shut down in exactly 49.98 hours

[foggy arch]

ill trust u here i rly cant deal with this anymore ngl

[grizzled osprey]

Trust I ran the math

[foggy arch]

[grizzled osprey]

You good for two days

[foggy arch]

how can i be good for like 2 years man

[grizzled osprey]

By having more HC battery yield

[foggy arch]

dude i dont have space anymore

its maxed out

[grizzled osprey]

Actually you won't really shutdown in 50 hrs,. You'll run out of originium

And then your battery yield wil, get affected

[foggy arch]

what if i set up more miners

[grizzled osprey]

And your battery yield is already dangerously low

Which is why stuff fails

[grizzled osprey]

Use outposts

[foggy arch]

do i make another battery farm on another place

[nova lodge]

he shouldn't run out of originum if the production is indeed at 480 per min

[grizzled osprey]

Wait is the yield 374 cuz your depot is maxed out

[nova lodge]

his battery yield should be consistent as well, since its consistently on the median line
so yield should displace usage.
and i expect some extras being produced every few mins.

[grizzled osprey]

If it's cuz depot is maxed out then congrats you're good to go for now

Depot storage maxed out with originium I mean

[foggy arch]

so what do i do

[nova lodge]

go sleep.

[grizzled osprey]

Nothing you're good for now, sleep,

[nova lodge]

[grizzled osprey]

You can get help later, ping me

[foggy arch]

its fine tmrw is saturday anyway, i rly wanna fix this once and for all...

[grizzled osprey]

Ok gn guys imma sleep

I need sleep it's 4am

[ember yacht]

what is the max ferrium ore usage for wuling with meta transfer active?

[grizzled osprey]

115 ferrium per minute

[nova lodge]

missing that 5 piece :3

you gotta do spatial transfers via dijiang ;3

[mortal plinth]

Ugh...Idk what to do now. the two materials needed for batteries are literally on opposing sides

xD

Its tough working with as little space as possible lol

[nova lodge]

its better to split the process line apart at times instead of jampacking everything into a single unit

makes customizations easier

[grizzled osprey]

To make life simple don't encroach the space above other depot unloaders just to reduce the space used vertically above the unloaders you're using

[vital kraken]

can i upgrade the current limit?

[mortal plinth]

well as you can see the sandleaf production is completely separate, but maybe i put it on the wrong side... idk

[grizzled osprey]

Wait one originium gives only one powder right?

[mortal plinth]

exactly what i wanted but its really tough if you want to not use too many belts

[mortal plinth]

yeah i put two belts cause i can lol.

[nova lodge]

I separate sandleaf, steel parts and dense originum productions all into its own separate line.

[mortal plinth]

no other reason

[mortal plinth]

and put what they make in a protocol stash?

[lucid python]

No you split all ur busses off of it tho

[grizzled osprey]

Don't, just hook up the other depot unloader, you're taking up the space above it anyway and this way you will only make 50% utilisation of the space you do use

[nova lodge]

yep, keep using protocol stash, its cheap and effective. both for power usage and flexibility

[lucid python]

Like could put it in middle and split it four ways

[nova lodge]

just keep sandleaf production separate, allows you to utilize empty spaces that you can't put unloaders on.

[grizzled osprey]

Btw why do protocol stashes have output ports

[nova lodge]

no idea :3, find no uses for them atm
but might be needed for future builds

[zinc meteor]

Shoukd I setup battery or inhaler thingy for wuling? I'm trying to get creds

[earnest steeple]

You can use it as a line balancer, overflow controller, etc.

[nova lodge]

batteries and gears comes 1st for xiranite.

[zinc meteor]

I feel like they tried to reverse teleport on it but had some technical issues so they brought depot bus but didn't change stashes

[grizzled osprey]

Battery

[zinc meteor]

Aighty

I'll just setup a component too along bats

Than sleep

[grizzled osprey]

@nova lodge what do ya use metastorage for

[zinc meteor]

Whats metastorage

[nova lodge]

ferrium, can't find other uses for it atm.

[nova lodge]

regional transfer for material, and its free

[zinc meteor]

They send in intervals?

[grizzled osprey]

You can generate copies of the stuff you have in valley IV Outta thin air into wuling

[lucid python]

Ferrium is common seen some hc battery and like one originium

[cosmic quartz]

Is 12/min lc wuling battery the max rn? Or can ppl do 18

[nova lodge]

yep, every hour, with a limit to the maximum amount.
need to do quick calc to determine how much you get per min.

[grizzled osprey]

Hourly, depends on material how much you can transfer

[vital kraken]

well i kinda, went in a specific direction, not much space so

[lucid python]

12 xiranite shortage

[zinc meteor]

Whats max you can send per hour

[lucid python]

1500 regional 12

[grizzled osprey]

Mm yea I'll switch to ferrium once I'm done making components too I guess

[grizzled osprey]

Depends on material

1500 for common stuff

[lucid python]

25/min

[mortal plinth]

probably a way to branch out materials from multiple production lines ....but considering it can clog up easily that way...yeah it doesnt make sense....

[nova lodge]

yeah, 25 per min

[zinc meteor]

1500 not bad

[nova lodge]

need it to maximize bottle production for yanzhen ;v

[grizzled osprey]

Is basically less than one mining vein

[zinc meteor]

I'll prob just dump orignium to power the thermal banks

[zinc meteor]

Better than nothing

[grizzled osprey]

Metastorage over batteries

[grizzled osprey]

Yeah

[hidden tree]

Dont break your Heads, they said in the livestream that Wuling gets more Areas in the next 2 updates at least so we might surely get more Ferrium Nodes as well 😅

[nova lodge]

as a start, you can maybe transfer some SC batteries 1st, to keep your operation started and ongoing.
the blue batteries.
you can change the transferred items later.

[grizzled osprey]

If they wanna max efficiency rn let them

[nova lodge]

gives more originum instead.

[zinc meteor]

I've finished setting up wulin bats and 2 blue bats along with xin components

[nova lodge]

[grizzled osprey]

I'm content with my poorly built AIC that can produce enough batteries and some syringes

[nova lodge]

great, then moving on with xiranite battery production, followed with yanzhen syringe ;3

[zinc meteor]

Blue bats is just so convenient not to build for power needs

[hidden tree]

I will definitely wait for Future expansions and more AIC blueprints we can unlock ( most likely for Stage 2 and 3 each 1 or even 2 more Skyward Forges) and more Ferrium Nodes

[grizzled osprey]

Just get two battery lines and you're good for now

[nova lodge]

with 1 thermal bank, blue battery regional transfer can keep it up 100% without needing any external intervention.

which is good.

[zinc meteor]

I'm scared of fluid stuff
Gotta expand 1 or 2 times before diving into pipe hell

[nova lodge]

your xiranite needs fluid though ;v

[grizzled osprey]

[zinc meteor]

Nooooo
Wait I forgot to set that up
But I'm already in bed

[nova lodge]

[zinc meteor]

I'm done for

[grizzled osprey]

[unreal laurel]

is the buck A setup self sustained or is the leftover space in each area used to make buckflower & sandleaf for the buck A

[grizzled osprey]

Go set it up, it's the thing that'll carry your money needs

[mortal plinth]

why two planters btw? wouldnt it be better to just go straight to a shredder?

[zinc meteor]

Ah man

[nova lodge]

pretty self sustained i suppose? depending on how you build it.
main aic base have more than enough space for many things.

[unreal laurel]

then what is dead space used for

[zinc meteor]

Ye imma up
Literally factory products went bana cause of 1 single pipe

[zinc meteor]

More batteries

[hidden tree]

KyoStinV for example showed a Blueprint for Buck Capsule A and the Citrome thing for the Sub base that is 100% self sustained and nothing clogs up

[nova lodge]

you meant the corners? sandleaf productions.
other areas that need unloader like ores for steel parts can be done at the line area.

[unreal laurel]

so the sandleaf isnt self sustained?

[zinc meteor]

We need decorations

[nova lodge]

for greater customization.
you can choose the amount of leaf you wanna use at other production lines, so i put a shreeder there.

[ebon cape]

hi could somone help me to build a good factory on the hub or show me what blueprint i should use

[grizzled osprey]

Can be, but harder to integrate into other builds, you can make stuff more compact easily by separating the samdleaf

[nova lodge]

it is self sustained, don't need an unloader depot for it.

[mortal plinth]

so theres other things that use leaf? not just for powder?

[mellow iris]

left my factory alone for a couple hours and now its all filled up and backing up (8k/8k of all those rss 😭 )

[nova lodge]

i meant i can choose the amount of powder i wanna dispense for my factory.
so i can just put 1x shreeder whenever i felt like there is a need for it :3
saving crucial space at depot area

[unreal laurel]

i got no clue what youre saying,for example,after placing a hc battery setup,i have an L shaped dead space left,what do i use it for

[zinc meteor]

Brother use some depot stash

[cosmic quartz]

What stage are u at in terms of development and mining

[nova lodge]

example

[grizzled osprey]

Or you can be a madman and make stuff like https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1467167310723940486

[unreal laurel]

so sandleaf isnt self sustained within the setup but rather,elsewhere

[mortal plinth]

ig, but if you'd shred beforehand all you'd need is a straight conveyor belt

[hidden tree]

Buck Capsule A where you can also produce Citrome A for the Sub Base where nothing clogs up
I only squeezed some small stuff in some corners myself since i needed it.

[zinc meteor]

Oooo
Imma try this

[grizzled osprey]

For that particular blueprint yea

[nova lodge]

more like i didn't know what you meants by self sustained in which areas.....=.=
but yeah, i can incorporate it into the setup, but the space it takes is so much is inefficient.
so i did rather split it up and place it somewhere else.

[grizzled osprey]

Ok I figure the output ports of the depot unloader can be used here

[unreal laurel]

can someone give a clear answer on the used of dead space

[mellow iris]

idk how they work

[grizzled osprey]

Connect all three belts to the unloader and have two linked from unloader to grinder

[zinc meteor]

You build
You connect
Stuff goes to stash?

[grizzled osprey]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1467167310723940486 just build this if life is too difficult

Then you get 3 free outposts to use your measly remaining resources on

[hidden tree]

Inspiration i had from this Video, he also use a big Blueprint for the Main Base for the big Batterys:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPuI134JMJo&list=PLNgrku2z_iBkcEVtYN5F6gA5-8AbglNO5

[nova lodge]

true, but i definitely can't do things like this and stuff the build into a corner :3

[unreal laurel]

nah,i want to do it myself,i just want to know how dead space is used

[mortal plinth]

welp, this might be a bad idea, but im gonna try anyway! xD

[mellow iris]

how do i speed up belts to make the thermal batteris maxed efficiency (they generate energy a bit irregularly)

[mellow iris]

protocol stash?

[wise flume]

you need to make the packaging unit have the required mats every 10s

[grizzled osprey]

Either let it be (you get more than enough space) or use it for plants, or place the AIC and try to utilise the space

*the PAC

[mellow iris]

what? i mean the batteries (i use the orange ore)

[unreal laurel]

k

[wise flume]

yes

[hidden tree]

use 3x belts out if you shred Sandleaf into Powder.
each Sandleaf shredded makes 3x Sandleaf Powder which clogs up fast otherwise

[mortal plinth]

Yeah i just noticed lol

[wise flume]

you can't speed up the belts, because splitters halve it

[zinc meteor]

Yeah I think is the name it it really helps with space

[grizzled osprey]

He means the thermal banks

[nova lodge]

the shreeder gonna get clogged.
at least add 1 more delivery line if possible, out from the shreeder.
but yeah, the issue with 1 plant = 3 powder makes it not exactly the most viable to put shreeders directly close to plant factories.

[wise flume]

but you can work around that by having the packaging unit at max output so 1 every 10s, then split once then split each side of that again

[hidden tree]

one Shredder for Sandleaf Powder can sustain without a issue 3x Grinding Units

[wise flume]

1 packaging unit = max 1/4th speed for continuous 4 thermal bank battery output

[grizzled osprey]

My eyes are bleeding

[wise flume]

if you try more than 4 banks per packaging unit, you'll run into power drop issues

[grizzled osprey]

Add two more lines from each output port of the shredder to the protocol stash @mortal plinth

Gn fr now 🥱

[mortal plinth]

i put 3 belts now x'D But i think i see the issue now ...if i do it like this but need more than 1 sandleaf powder in an area it would take more unloaders to supply....

[nova lodge]

yeah....so its not very space efficient.
sometimes it takes some trail and error to get the point across.

[gray oar]

i got all wuling ores, right? (development lvl 5)

[nova lodge]

well, for thermal banks using originum, its more like a stop gap.
you can't really speed it up.

focus on producing battery then replace the lines with them.

[mellow iris]

how ot make the stash use the items frmo my automation core storage?

[hidden tree]

If you use a Shredder and immediately use the Powder from all 3 Belts then just put Sandleaf directly into the Storage unit.
If you dont have the space for a Shredder or dont need it then you can shred it directly at the planting unit and put into Storage

[mellow iris]

im trying to make better batteries but im out of outputs

[nova lodge]

protocol storage only store things....not dispense them ;v

[mortal plinth]

i also don't get why you need 2 planters per seed collector, just more plants ig?

[wise flume]

it actually can dispense, but only stuff that enters it, it can't draw from depot like unloaders

[mellow iris]

then what shall i do 😭

[hidden tree]

The Valley IV things only produce 1x plant per Seed.. so one Planter is just to feed the Seed unit with enough plants, while the 2nd can give everything it produces for whatever you need it

[hidden tree]

Unlock the Bus Depot which is the only option you have to get more areas to bring stuff out of your Storage

[nova lodge]

its consistent in production.
you want the planter to produce 1 plant every 2 sec
with 1 seeder : 1 planter.
it will reduce to 0.5 plants every 2 second instead, since the planter need to split plants back into seeder machine.

[hidden tree]

I think the Wuling plants only need 1x Planter and 1 seeder, right? Since i think i read that they produce 2x plants with 1 seed ( at least what i saw in the Tutorial)

[nova lodge]

heck, you can even put 1 seeder : 1 planter and they can supply enough carbon for 1 sky forger xeranite production.
since wulling plants give 2 carbon bricks as well.

[mellow iris]

guys i did some fiddling and found some solutions

i just wish i could combine 2 belts togheter into one

[mellow iris]

ooooh so thats what it is i need to do a criteria to unlock it first tho

[hidden tree]

There is something later that can combine 3x Belts into one.. but its only really efficent with things that get produced slowly, otherwise it clogs up pretty fast

[wise flume]

you can combine, but merging them limits flow to 1 every 2s regardless of number of inputs

[nova lodge]

no need to make it too complicated.
for your planting needs, always do it similar to this setup:

always use protocol storage for loading goods.

[wise flume]

need the 2nd AIC plan unlock thingie to be able to use belt mergers tho

[mellow iris]

can this battery supply chain supply 6 battiers?

[mellow iris]

oh how do i combine them tho?

[scenic comet]

1 output supplies 4 battery banks

max

[wise flume]

there's a belt merger you can research from the AIC thingie, like splitters

but it's on the bottom row

[mellow iris]

the protocal what now?

[nova lodge]

protocol stash, sorry.

[wise flume]

it basically takes up to 3 inputs with 1 direction as output

[mellow iris]

so ill need to purge 2 of them

[scenic comet]

or get more outputs 😄

[wise flume]

or add 2 more + a 2nd battery setup

[mellow iris]

im not that far 😅

[mellow iris]

with the bus? i need to fulfill the criteria from a mission 😅

[wise flume]

but ye, each packaging unit battery output = maximum of 4 thermal banks to supply power to

[scenic comet]

bro has 63 stashes

where are those items going lil bro

[nova lodge]

NEVER ENUFF STASHES!

[wise flume]

stashes are dead useful

[nova lodge]

MORE!

[hidden tree]

Would the Buckflower thing produce 2x plants if i put it into Fluid Mode and put water into it? Or does it only work the the Wuling plants like Jincao?
I have a Production line in Wuling since i just unlocked it yesterday with 2x full Planting unit ( 2x Planting Unit, 1x Seed) who both feed a Refiner for Carbon, then 2x Shredder for 1x Grinder to make Dense Carbon Powder 🤔

[nova lodge]

[wise flume]

I used them a lot in my corner setup for HC batteries

cuz it let me put the packaging unit + 4 thermal banks into the corner itself

[scenic comet]

the ultimate orig battery atrocityhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461541796977967289/1466951056117207113/5B242343-5D97-4662-A2EE-DD154684E0F0.png?ex=69872de2&is=6985dc62&hm=8eae2d73544e73bffe18b789d271d8d2ef53830fdedbbf7a5e7d77edef0c684c&

(dont do this)

[nova lodge]

you can't produce buckflower in fluid mode ;v
only works for wulling plants.

[mellow iris]

once i get all those sorted out ill optimise my setup

[unreal laurel]

I've done worse

[scenic comet]

https://tenor.com/bXqIM.gif

now lets see paul allen's factory

[mellow iris]

how many batteries can a packaging unit supply? 4?

[hidden tree]

A shame, maybe the good Water in Wuling would have helped the Buckflowers to grow better 😂

[wise flume]

up to 4

needs inputs that keep it producing 1 every 10s tho

and since each battery in a thermal bank lasts 40s, 40/10 = 4 banks

[scenic comet]

i like to think of it in terms in minutes because that's the AIC report telling you stuff, each pack unit can make 6/min and thermal banks will use 1.5/min, so that's 4x thermal banks, if you only use 3 you can put 1.5/min bats away to stash

[nova lodge]

^

MATHS!

.stonks

[shrewd sigil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1440929296146497639/G6Ih57bacAITmvm.png?ex=691ff17b&is=691e9ffb&hm=91e95e84256e6e195565713e124e50b7d0551f1528c7ee8642b763175e1d9290&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=527&height=395

[humble widget]

Anyone more knowledgeable...
How bad is this HC Valley Battery generator?

[wise flume]

eh, HC in general is bad for thermal bank only output

cuz so massive

[mellow iris]

.stonks we must optimize the efficiency and grow our factory

[unreal laurel]

Very

[nova lodge]

i mean....its more than enough for all your operational needs and more =.=.
so yeah, like Ri said, its very massive in capacity

[wise flume]

personally I use SC for actual power output cuz you can squeeze a full setup into 11x15ish space

[scenic comet]

you gucci, HC bat is 4 fer 6orig 2sand and ends in 2:3

[unreal laurel]

mines not the best but certainly smaller

[nova lodge]

for endgame though....gotta need dem HC battery power ;v.

[scenic comet]

[unreal laurel]

How should I raise region lvl

[scenic comet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1466125655941976135/1466125656386568213/V4_OUTPUT.png?ex=698778eb&is=6986276b&hm=4f6105b082d82a95697b9108d44188e603f9a978f3f3395c55e94ae49d4cf6ef&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1485&height=1160

[unreal laurel]

The best sellers are buck B and blue battery

Don't have buck A unlocked on them or smth

[scenic comet]

upgrade stock and depot things first because those give you more stock to upgrade other stuff

[nova lodge]

i setup towers....LOTs of utility stuff everywhere on the map :3.
so yeah, still gotta use quite a bit of HC battery.
and also making tons of random stuff that i am too lazy to micromanage.

[mellow iris]

my pac is such a mess idk what to do and my sub pac in valley pass i havent even touched yet

[wise flume]

eh, not really? it's still more space efficient to use SC for power

[scenic comet]

looks like you're just getting started 🤜 🤛 just keep progressing main story and do the outpost unlock green quests, don't forgot to route up all the mining nodes you can

[nova lodge]

a mix of both usually.
HC and SC
as shown above, SC alone is going to have issues powering up everything efficiently.

[mellow iris]

btw do you guys use your sub pacs to the fullest extend and what do you use them for? and what do you use your main pac for

[twin cliff]

Personally I use sub pacs for power generation because that isn't too complex to fit in there, and its stuff I usually won't ever touch again

Main PAC is for all the money making shit

[scenic comet]

it doesn't matter because they all share depots and resources, so just use them however you need the space, early on the recipes are small so you can use exclusively the hub

[wise flume]

I just use this for 8x420 SC output

[twin cliff]

yeah that looks about right

nice setup btw

[mellow iris]

how much materials does a belt drive? when divided by 2 can it power 2 shredders to power one packagin unit to power 4 batteries? using originum ore?

[mellow iris]

oh okay

[twin cliff]

1 belt is 30 resources per minute

30/m

[mellow iris]

so 15 for my shredders about 7.5 for each shredder

[twin cliff]

0.5/s

[wise flume]

splitters halve flow output for a single item

[twin cliff]

per second? yeah

[wise flume]

but the overall possibile flow rate remains the same at 0.5/s

[twin cliff]

wait no wtf

7.5 per shredder? wtf is that math

[nova lodge]

too many unloaders needed.
good midway, but not that great if you wanna min max valley 4.
(unless you don't care for all the utility stuff i guess).

[limpid shale]

1 shredder has 2 output except sandleaf at 3.

[twin cliff]

7.5/s total

[mellow iris]

so its x*½ for the belt output for my shredders multiply by ½ for each shredders input amount ore and uh is that enough?

[mellow iris]

nice

[twin cliff]

wait are we talking about sandleaf and I didn't even see that msg

[wise flume]

I mean, that's literally a double output thing

[twin cliff]

I'm really confused now

[wise flume]

and HC uses more

[mellow iris]

my packacking unit still lacks ressources 😭

[twin cliff]

idk what you're going on about that having too many unloaders, that amount is keeping the packing facilities 100% fed

[nova lodge]

HC does save on unloader space, which can be overall much more helpful once valley 4 is cleared.

[wise flume]

HC needs like a bit over twice as much output unloaders as the base variant of that setup (which uses 5 unloaders)

[twin cliff]

absolutely 0 downtime on that setup, its clean

[wise flume]

pretty sure a HC battery setup needs like 10+ unloaders

[twin cliff]

yeah its a bit crazy

i think i have a picture of mine somewhere brb

[wise flume]

unless you're doing 1 battery per 20s

which takes less, but that's also less power output

[twin cliff]

if you're doing 1 battery per 20s what the hell are you doing

[wise flume]

yeah, ik

[twin cliff]

well, you probably haven't maxed out resource output in v4

[wise flume]

I mean I'm doing 1/10s

I'm just saying

[twin cliff]

yeah same here

[foggy arch]

@nova lodge is it fixed? can i go to bed without worrying about nuclear meltdown tomorrow?

[mellow iris]

god damnit i must organize my factory its getting out of hand 😭 😭

[twin cliff]

all my shit is 1/10s

[wise flume]

but the 1/10s HC setup uses minimum 10 unloaders, +more for if you do any sandleaf shredders from unloaders

[nova lodge]

go sleep ;v.

[wise flume]

it's also over 4x as space intensive as a SC 1/10s setup

[twin cliff]

Incredibly cursed and non-optimised setup for HC

in my sub pac in park

[foggy arch]

im already in bed ngl xd i already got all mining spots so nothing i can do anymore

[twin cliff]

8 unloaders and 1 loader because I don't wanna clog sandleaf too much lol

oh nearly forgot this lil bit

[wise flume]

this was my corner HC setup that I started halfassing partway thru, but it's still over twice as big as the SC setup when doubled from the base 5 unloader variant

[twin cliff]

so actually yeah its 10 unloaders mb

[nova lodge]

yeah, unloader part is definitely lesser running your setup. sorry about that.
but if you don't need more than 3K+ power, should be good to go (since it scales with proportionately in effectiveness if your energy needs goes too high).

[twin cliff]

clean

well, not really clean, but compact

i likey

[nova lodge]

yeah, for now its enough, you can optimize your base production later.

[wise flume]

been working on a better variant that ISN'T corner only

but still WIP, having fun with it tho

[twin cliff]

oh absolutely

and yeah i don't rly like building corner designs, i prefer the horizontal factory line

[wise flume]

the corner one I started going "meh" at partway thru for that reason

[twin cliff]

my beautiful buck a line

[wise flume]

least the actual corner portion was done then 😂

[nova lodge]

[twin cliff]

yes i have 2 side by side lmao

[nova lodge]

me too lazy to work on corners lul

[twin cliff]

that's very fair

[wise flume]

I just stuffed the packaging unit in the corner itself

with an extra 5 unloaders xd

well, 4

[twin cliff]

honestly my buck a design can't be optimized no further unless it goes through a complete redesign

[wise flume]

I did a meme and ran the 5th line from a grinder past all the other unloaders on the way

[twin cliff]

its kinda scuffed i'll admit but i had so much fun making it

[nova lodge]

clearly a factorio player there :3

[twin cliff]

i love how shit gets convereyed into the middle of the entire line for assembly

entire design philosophy behind that line was for it to not take more horizontal footprint than the unloaders dictated it to

so its copy/pastable

[wise flume]

trying to do that with this horizontal only HC setup of mine

basically on the last leg, only gotta figure out how to slot in a couple shredders + the last grinder in there

[twin cliff]

insert factory must grow meme here

but yeah I can understand why some people don't wanna bother but its perfectly fine making a sphaghetti mess

[nova lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/satisfactory-factor-io-factorio-satisfactory-game-automation-gif-4780683496031639747

[twin cliff]

i like my sphagetti

mmm

sphagetti bolognese

cooking the meat sauce from morning to evening

im hungry...

[wise flume]

also debating if I want to try the headache which is throwing in the planter/seeder units too lol

or just leave that out and do it separately

[twin cliff]

its worth experimenting with

but i can tell you i had my fair share of headaches fitting the planter/seeders into my line right now

in fact, the entire reason why my buck A line doubles back on itself to final assembly in the middle was because of the planters

its worth it though, you save on unloader real estate

[agile moss]

I am so confused. I use the exact same blueprints that a friend of mine uses and they end up using around 2.9k energy whereas I end up using 3.9k energy.
I don't know what could be eating up so much of my energy. I already switch all my MK2 mining rigs to MK1, and I barely use any ziplines (And use 0 weapon facilities). What else could be using so much of my energy? :/

[limpid shale]

[twin cliff]

I think your AIC power stat screen should tell you?

[wise flume]

yeah, trying to do one planter setup via unloader + the other directly

[gleaming pilot]

@wise flume could i have ur help if possible

[twin cliff]

nah nvm no details sry archy

[wise flume]

with what?

[twin cliff]

check if you have random unhooked shit lying around in your subpacs @agile moss

[gleaming pilot]

factory setup and team building

[twin cliff]

that's the best I can recommend

[agile moss]

What did subpacs stand for? I forgot :(

[wise flume]

uhh my factory is currently in experimentation phase cuz I'm working on miniturizing a bunch of stuff

so very WIP for that

[gleaming pilot]

im still at the very beginning

[twin cliff]

mini factory locations in places like the originium science park, power plateu n stuff

[gleaming pilot]

i need help

[wise flume]

sure

[twin cliff]

and valley fort

[twin cliff]

wassup homie

[gleaming pilot]

lemme log in to the game

and then share screen ok

[twin cliff]

uh alr

[nova lodge]

imagine....using a proctocol stash to stash 3 items....
only for it to get clogged because 1 of them is maxed in your depot.

[twin cliff]

so sad

[agile moss]

Oh those! Yeah those are also the exact same for us since we're following a guide 😔 Well I guess my game is bugged and something is using 2x the power that it should be. I have literally no other ideas

[twin cliff]

ask your friend whether he might not have built smth yet but you have?

[wise flume]

if you're just starting out, priority 1 is getting to the point in story where you need more than 200 power output, then priority 2 is getting past using originium ore for thermal banks + shifting over to batteries

[twin cliff]

because a 1k discrepancy is huge

[agile moss]

We already shared our factories and they look identical :/

[twin cliff]

or maybe he miscounted his energy usage

[wise flume]

each subpac area also counts

towards the same total

[agile moss]

He sent a screenshot, and so did I

[mortal plinth]

i need two of these to produce enough batteries for 2 generators ?? x.x

[twin cliff]

that is weeeiiiird

[twin cliff]

yep, it gets even worse in the future haha

[agile moss]

I am extremely confused and it hurts m yhead because i just CAN'T figure out what is going on

[mortal plinth]

dang, thats such a pain lmao.

[gleaming pilot]

@twin cliff ok where can i share screen

[twin cliff]

well, feel free to go online and find blueprints to copy

[twin cliff]

scroll all the way down on the left and click 'click to create vc'

[nova lodge]

#1461542035617091681

[twin cliff]

and I should be able to join

[twin cliff]

wouldn't mind taking a look at your game but I doubt I'll be able to find anything

[nova lodge]

sometimes....the best way to fix things....is to just remove everything in your base lul

[agile moss]

Yeah it's okay. I suggested we share our screens and see if there's anything odd

[twin cliff]

also I'm currently using just below 3.9k power and I have a lot of turrets and ziplines up

[gleaming pilot]

its locked for me

[twin cliff]

so I find that a little odd

[wise flume]

gotta love tapping all the splitters in my setups when I have to remove stuff

[twin cliff]

just call me then

[nova lodge]

not using capslock - X?

[wise flume]

mobile player

[nova lodge]

ah....

[twin cliff]

you just might have to go back and double check everything that might be eating up power, there might be something unaccounted for somewhere

[nova lodge]

[twin cliff]

perhaps your friend forgot to wire up an entire section?

[mortal plinth]

never.

i will build my own stuff, even if it sucks

xD

[twin cliff]

that's the spirit

[agile moss]

But i just can't figure out what. Because when i started setting up these factories, I stripped everything down and started from 0 😭

Oh but actually now that i think about it - when i stripped everything down to 0, i had 1.14k energy usage from SOMETHING and i have no idea WHAT

[azure minnow]

theres only 1 ferrium mine in wuling what am i supposed to do? do i just max my regional development level so i can transfer ferrium from valley 4 to wuling?

[agile moss]

do relay towers and the big towers cost energy?

[nova lodge]

nope, energy transfer towers cost nothing.
your towers, miners, and ziplines do though

also, mk1 miners cost less energy than mk2 miners.

[twin cliff]

he's already swapped out any mk2s he has for mk1s when applicable

[shrewd knoll]

your miners should be using around 800-900 so its not that much

[agile moss]

Thanks.. Yeah i have no clue whats going on

[nova lodge]

[twin cliff]

he's stripped everything he can

[nova lodge]

at this point....i would just stock up on batteries, and check every single spots lul.

[granite socket]

yeah pretty much

[pseudo quest]

im in the same situation i cant believe wuling is such a nothingburger for ores

[leaden drift]

I hated wasting the 20 extra for originium

so i did this

[agile moss]

I think what im gonna do is - Since we're constantly moving forward thanks to a guide, I will strip down each factory once i am ready for an upgrade and see how much energy is being used. (I will also ask him to do that) and then see how much of a difference there is when there's nothing in the factories

Imo that's a good idea 😔

[lone bluff]

Where can I gather Ferrium with a mining rig in the Hub or Valley IV?

I haven't been able to find any in those areas.

[pseudo quest]

the hub i think has some ferrium to the right of the AIC?

[lone bluff]

I'll go look. Thank you

[pseudo quest]

yeah 2 high purity at rockhill passage

[unreal laurel]

is it out of range

[pseudo quest]

here's loc :]

[unreal laurel]

mustve chucked like 20bombs already

[leaden drift]

i think i min maxed my factory for now

atleast for valley 4

[pseudo quest]

i dont even see the blight core (+ this is wrong channel)

[leaden drift]

i did it

[mortal plinth]

This should be good i think, im sure i can make improvements when it comes to the space i use...but oh well...sue me

[mortal plinth]

something tells me you love red hair