aic-factory

[low obsidian]

[solid imp]

maybe i should but just shooting up on yazhen syringes is more than enough

lazy and nothing is hard enough to need it

[hidden temple]

if you spend the entire week's sanity on essence farming, buying out all of the 400ks and just 5 of the 800ks will cover all those runs
you can buy more to stockpile or to account for sanity pots if you want

[low obsidian]

I mean you get 2 plant per pick (if you upgrade aurylene

Which mean 4 powder

[solid imp]

yeah but i have infinite yazhen

[low obsidian]

The heal effectivity is so far

[solid imp]

and like 80% of the uses of my healing items so far was from the flamethrower turrets in wulfgard's personal mission my NPC party members kept running into

[low obsidian]

20% is already over power any produced heal

[low obsidian]

[solid imp]

they literally ate like 20 yahzen syringes in that mission alone

like wtf

[low obsidian]

That's weird my teammate doesn't move at all

[inland ruin]

ty, probably going to slowly stockpile them then, only building a few weapons

[low obsidian]

They let my surtr travel alone as they stay in the Starting place

[solid imp]

yeah that's the problem, mine didn't move when they got caught in the flamethrower and there's no limit on tacticals out of combat

[low obsidian]

Oof

[low obsidian]

I mean mine didn't move in the safe place

The moment they land on the trap they stay

[solid imp]

to be fair
it was chen

[low obsidian]

[solid imp]

0 sanity chen trying to swordfight the flame turrets

[low obsidian]

[lost marsh]

is it better to cram packaging unit with resources to consistently produce batteries or set up multiple battery production lines but spread the resources amongst them

[ancient zinc]

And people called me crazy by saying

Dat pill over powers Buck A

[hexed geyser]

What’s the best thing to be trading at outpost 3? I feel like it’ll take me days to upgrade with buck capsules B

[low obsidian]

they just don't know how to farm

Or too scared to explore wuling

Wuling is my private healing pools

[inland ruin]

what

[ancient zinc]

What’s more funny they said manual planting is not worth

[low obsidian]

WHEEEEZEEE WHO PLANT THEM

[ancient zinc]

Wait till they see effect of Amber rice and Genshing

[hexed geyser]

Anyone? 😭

[hidden temple]

setup your buckAs and HCs
sells to all outposts and keeps them bankrupt

[low obsidian]

I mean they are everywhere

[hexed geyser]

Alr thanks

[inland ruin]

should i focus on which of these in wuling?

[low obsidian]

[rapid kelp]

Dumb question...

Has anyone tested if AIC factories are Turing complete?

[hidden temple]

for me personally, engrave tix>catalysts when actively farming for wuling essence, catalysts>=tickets when stockpiling
right now I'm stockpiling so I'd buy all the half off catalysts, then half off tix, then back to catalysts
otherwise I'd go all in on engraving but maybe buy a couple half off catalysts

[low obsidian]

Ah it will be max soon

[warped delta]

All this for 2 fucking nodes bc they put a fence in the way...

[tough scarab]

The things we do for more ore

[white cloud]

🙂

[hidden temple]

[solid imp]

the former, make proper ratios
there's no benefit to making 3 packaging units that run 33% of the time over 1 packaging unit running 100% of the time

There are, however, benefits to having only 1 packaging unit running 100% of the time, namely in power consumption (even buildings not doing anything due to being clogged/undersupplied use power) and space

space in v4, especially depot space is kinda limited if you're trying to max it out
space in wuling isn't really limiting but that's only "for now" due to a severe shortage of raw resources

[willow tundra]

optimize powergrid like the factory

[young stag]

set up 3 for 18/m output and feed them correctly

[low obsidian]

[lost marsh]

behold my horrendous hc production line

[eternal marsh]

efficiency at 24%

[runic epoch]

Too much sandleaf

[solid imp]

if it works it works

[lost marsh]

3/min

[solid imp]

a trick i learned playing a lot of factorio: you can build the worst garbage possible that isn't even to the correct ratios as long as you call it your "starter base"

[vernal marten]

is this the most efficient xiranate build or is there a way to increase production

[solid imp]

save fixing it up for "the real base"

[lost marsh]

I wanna figure out how to efficiency make a production line without relying heavily on blueprints

[wet aurora]

hi guys, does anyone have a sandleaf farm?

[runic epoch]

Ratios

[runic epoch]

1 seeder into 2 planters

[solid imp]

get used to calculating ratios

[young stag]

just optimize the blueprints

[proven holly]

You can do that without others blueprints at all. And id say jts the most fun of all

Its just math 99% of the time so youre good

[warped delta]

How tf? There's no teleport spot there

[solid imp]

i'll give a hint to make ratio easier: convert everything to 'per minute'
like a shredder takes 1 sandleaf every 2 seconds and spits out 3 sandleaf powders
that means it takes 30 sandleaf per minute and spits out 90 sandleaf powder per minute
and a belt can move 30 items per minute, so that means one belt of sandleaf in a shredder can output 3 belts of sandleaf powder!

[vestal tiger]

Imm only making 6 wuling bats a minuteeeeee
Can I reach 10 without like affecting components

[solid imp]

no

[safe vale]

Wont it be better with jincao rather that using buck

[solid imp]

xiranite batteries take xiranite which is also the limiting factory for components so, no lol

[young stag]

why feed them like that

[vernal marten]

im lazy to use new mats so i stick with older one

[vestal tiger]

Sadge

[vestal tiger]

Should I prioritise battery to sell or make gear also

[solid imp]

in fact making any xiranite batteries at all will cost component production, since the max you can make is 60/m xiranite and a single gearing unit making xiranite components wants 60/m xiranite
I don't recommend spending literally all your xiranite on components, so use 30/m xiranite to make 6/m batteries and just run the gearing station at half the rate for 3 components/m

[lost marsh]

my problem isn't with figuring out the proper ratio to maximize efficiency, but more with laying out the production line itself

[safe vale]

what even is the use of xiranite other than making batts or just make facilities, sure you can make xiranite water but it's their main use rn

[solid imp]

oh yeah getting good at belt spaghetti just takes practice

[willow tundra]

there are stable and unstable ground in this game
you get teleport to the last stable ground you touch
and 30s of getting stucked will trigger force teleport
and the rest is just the application of the above rules and a lot of ziplining

[solid imp]

xiranite components for gold gear/artificing

[safe vale]

it's a lot easier to use the new mats, just take one jincao and grow em

[vernal marten]

alr ill try

whats the difference anyway

[runic epoch]

Work backwards

How would you place them if you do it backwards?
That's how you get better at making them look nicer

[willow tundra]

but optimizing zipline and powergrid is quite fun

[safe vale]

I mean you can stack components artificing and I know it takes a lot of xiranite

but makes do

[solid imp]

make both
though if you don't plan on artificing too much don't feel bad about turning off component production eventually to just make 12/m batteries, though this isn't really needed since just 6/m + some yazhen syringes/jincao drinks will bankrupt the stockade anyway

[vestal tiger]

I seee

[safe vale]

2:1 for jincao, 1:1 for buckleaf

[vestal tiger]

I'm not bankrupting the stockade thou

Which is werid

[dawn plaza]

good day everyone, what do i know what im missing? ive done all the upgrades for all the nodes and connected all the mining spots. im thinking i have some quests left but idk which ones give RDM exp

does anyone know?

[safe vale]

your factory is

[vestal tiger]

Stable ground
Dark souls stuff

[young stag]

outpost

[dawn plaza]

did all of them, my outposts are all lvl 4

[young stag]

billions must make 18 HC batteries per minute

[solid imp]

did you upgrade every outpost, recycling station, depot node, and stock redistribution to max?

[modern sky]

What do i put in that empty spot. I have 18/h HC batteries and Buck a 18/h too. But that empty spot is killing me

[safe vale]

Depot node, trading spot, the owl for dijang

[dawn plaza]

yep

[dawn plaza]

all of them are done

[safe vale]

idk what's left

hmmm

[solid imp]

did you repair all of the triangle building thingies in the middle of the Hub with oricrust? i think there's 4, look for the ones that are smoking and interact with them

(i think those triangle thingies are generators but idk)

[dawn plaza]

are they all next to the main aic?

[solid imp]

they're closer to the center of the map

[runic epoch]

You could totally make it a spot for your aic for stuff like buck c or explosive if you have space elsewhere to put your thermals( for the big space there )

Make a buck c line there or something in that corner

[safe vale]

per hour?

lol

[solid imp]

you'll know what i mean when you see them, they're big old triangular prisms

[modern sky]

Minute my bad

[solid imp]

18 per furlong

[crimson inlet]

its a waiting game now (getting the moto bike and other stuff)

[solid imp]

i'm still mads you can't ride the motorbike

[dawn plaza]

already done :(

[vestal tiger]

My output

[crimson inlet]

Imma reset my wuling stuff if the storyline is updated

[safe vale]

Endmin don't have a driving license

[vestal tiger]

Is weird?
I can't bankrupt stockade

[solid imp]

i'm out of ideas

[crimson inlet]

just like a true engineer

[safe vale]

I can make 12/m lc and lemme tell you I can bankrupt them easily

[warped delta]

I'm not going to spend 3hrs glitching the game just to try to get pleasing powerlines. Going to a nearby teleport is one thing, but the devs need to design maps with spots that make logical sense to run lines.

[safe vale]

12/1

[solid imp]

are you making sure to metatransfer ferrum ore to wuling? that counts for another 25/m and it'll help shore up your yazhen syringe supply

[low obsidian]

Use more FERRIUM

[runic epoch]

CEO of an engineering company with a spaceship

• doesn't have driving license

[warped delta]

There are so many places where being able to get onto a small plateau in the zone would be a perfect spot for a power pole and no, it's invisible walled for no reason

[young stag]

how do you get 18 buck a per min alongside 18 hc? do you feed it like this

[solid imp]

you mean it's not logical to place relay towers in the middle of wheelchair ramps?

[vestal tiger]

I am doing that

[vestal tiger]

Oh my god

[safe vale]

lol

[runic epoch]

Certainly an interesting method

[crimson inlet]

or give us a limited teraformer, its more immersive to have us dig and shove

[vestal tiger]

Not aesthetically pleasing

[low obsidian]

[hidden temple]

thanks, fucking amazing
I figured it out
knowledge of how safezone checkpoints and killplanes work aided me well

time to stash those other relays lel

[vestal tiger]

Put it at the bottom of the ramp
So the wheelchair will bonk into it

[young stag]

100% uptime

[vestal tiger]

Oh my hod

[runic epoch]

If it works it works

[solid imp]

how do you have 45,000 yazhen syringes

[runic epoch]

Hod upscale

[solid imp]

i thought the max depot size in wuling rn was 12k

[low obsidian]

Upgrade

It

[willow tundra]

👍
you can do a lot of stupid shit with this trick

[solid imp]

i thought i did upgrade it but maybe i just didn't pay attention

[low obsidian]

Oooof

[safe vale]

How do you even pull the wire

Zip line?

[low obsidian]

So you deliver small goods

[autumn canopy]

HOW

[solid imp]

no i definitely did upgrade it and deliver medium crates

[crimson inlet]

give us the options to dig and move dirt around

[solid imp]

i meant i didn't pay attention to my max depot size

[willow tundra]

if you are pulling wire and get teleported, and the TP point is less than 80m (or 90max) then it wont break the wire

[low obsidian]

Ouh

[safe vale]

ahhh I see

[crimson inlet]

Civil engineers will throb over this

imagine moving dirt to have a water source more easily accessible

[young stag]

can we please make explosives instakill

i have too much

[runic epoch]

Use it for deliveries or sum

[solid imp]

i don't want terraforming because adding it will brick the FPS lmao

[ornate scaffold]

how should i split my ferrium between buck A and hc batteries?

[solid imp]

18/m of both, there's just enough ferrum in V4 for that

[crimson inlet]

yeah, it will be a massacre of fps

[low obsidian]

I add more water to the 40K pool

[solid imp]

are you filling the pond with yazhen solution lmao

[low obsidian]

So people have free access to drink yazhen

[solid imp]

world's deepest medicinal bath

[low obsidian]

😎

It does heal btw

[hidden temple]

it was good that the killplane was so close to the relay otherwise the wire would've had a downward bend and might've stretched past 80m

[solid imp]

imagine jumping in and drowning in tea

[crimson inlet]

holy batman, pigman

[low obsidian]

It will be done soon

I leave it for like 24 hour

30K filled

Soon it will be 40K

[safe vale]

for new wuling players it's the 1st step to do

to dry them water

[solid imp]

drain the lake, get all the stuff down there, fill the lake with liquid xiranite or alternative liquid of choice

[low obsidian]

Just use 4 pump

[solid imp]

also drain the canal the game forces you to fill for the MSQ and then refill it with liquid xiranite

[low obsidian]

Xiranite doesn't heal

[safe vale]

I use like 4 or 5

[vestal tiger]

You can flex

[safe vale]

took a day

[vestal tiger]

With that

[low obsidian]

I use 4 took a day too

[solid imp]

yeah but liquid xiranite looks like toxic waste (even if it probably isn't actually toxic)

[safe vale]

biohazard

[low obsidian]

Nah it's like a battery liquid 😭

[safe vale]

that's why it's mandatory to pump the water out on the 1st day you go to wuling

btw

[low obsidian]

Jincao and xiranite side by side

[solid imp]

i mean liquid xiranite is literally just charcoal and water so i doubt it's that toxic, it use in xiranite batteries is just for the casing anyway since the originium provides the actual power

[low obsidian]

I wheeeze when i play the story

Endmin with old doctor's trait

[crimson inlet]

somehow, we made an alternative to originium a plastic casing for originium

[safe vale]

Irl the wood ashes is used to purify water or just anything cuz it is good for purification

lol

so good water imo

[low obsidian]

Well xiranite wash away those "CLEAN WATER"

[safe vale]

not coal

mb

[solid imp]

so what we just run purified water throughthe Forge of the Sky and it shits out xiranite? what're those forges doing

[safe vale]

Wood ashes

[solid imp]

"refined carbon" which is just burnt cattail reeds lmao

[safe vale]

good purification properties tho

[hidden temple]

there's a safezone, dangerzone, and kill plane
even if you step on the danger zone, game takes note of the last safezone you planted your feet on to tp you onto if you hit a kill plane(fall off cliff)

set your safezone by the ore, zip into a danger zone on the other side, transmit wire, touch kill plane, game will tp you back to the safezone with wire still attached to you

[low obsidian]

Yeah it's purification indeed

[runic epoch]

I assume it's doing some bullshit with originium that makes it xiranite

[solid imp]

i assume for the sake of my sanity the Forge of the Sky is really complicated and doin' some real... Stuff to the ingredients to make xiranite, and that xiranite isn't just "lmao charcoal and water" stirred in a pot, otherwise the tianshi are honkin' idiots for not figuring this out sooner

[supple sand]

Meta storage just dupes the stuff from the valley depot right?

[solid imp]

yah

so just metatransfer ferrum over

[crimson inlet]

so basically... forge is a glorified boiler

[solid imp]

forge is maaaaaagiiiiiic alchemy boiler

[willow tundra]

just pretend its turning plants into carbon nanotubes

[safe vale]

Definitely

[supple sand]

I was planning to transfer ferrum parts but don't have 1.5k of em so was wondering if I'd need to setup a separate line for that

[hard panther]

a lot of the wuling max bases require metatransfer for ferrium parts, should i rip out my valley 4 production to accomadate for the ferrium part production?

[solid imp]

naruhodo

[safe vale]

I mean

u can just transfer

it not obliged to do but

[solid imp]

so we're doin some real fancy shit in the forge to turn wet charcoal and sandleaf into xiranite

[hard panther]

well rn i have 0 ferrium part production

[solid imp]

now to just lobby Fangyi to let me build more than two of the damn things

[crimson inlet]

I think sandleaf is just a binder

[runic epoch]

Pls viceroy I need this

[solid imp]

not ferruim parts, just raw ferrum ore

[hard panther]

am i being lied too 😭

[crimson inlet]

while refined carbon and water has some weird stuff

[solid imp]

it is bizarrely more efficient to just transfer straight ferrum ore

also what would you do with the parts, the ferrum is for bottles for yazhen syringes/jincao drinks

there isn't enough ferrum for a full 6/m build for those in wuling (only 90/m when you need 120/m) and metatransfer gets you an additional 25/m so you're... close but not quite perfect

[hard panther]

im eyeing this one rn

[solid imp]

but like 97% production is better than 75% production

[hard panther]

since i just started wuling factory and have 0 funds to work around

[solid imp]

i think they meant ferrum ore instead

[hard panther]

lemme read check out the blueprint

[solid imp]

ferrium parts are useless in wuling unless you're making SC valley batteries for some reason

[safe vale]

Me

For wuling batts substitute

[solid imp]

just make wuling bats ;-;

[safe vale]

So I can reach 12/1 wuling batts

[safe vale]

Too much use tbh it felt like I'm throwing money

[solid imp]

eh i keep bankrupting the stockade tho even burning half my xiranite batteries in thermal banks

[willow tundra]

its mainly used for making syringes

[gentle canyon]

value of cryston components after crafting 4 total sets?

[solid imp]

isn't it refined ferrum to make bottles, not ferrium parts?

or am i just dumb and forgetting what i built

[willow tundra]

sorry not the bottle itself but syringes, needs part and bottle

[solid imp]

did it need parts, i forgor

ok fair enough

i just sent over the ferrum ore and made the parts on-site instead

[willow tundra]

same with syringe just using different plant

i like jincao drink more as consumable

[hidden temple]

I never made yahzen syringes, I went straight to producing jincao juice even when outpost was lv1

[rocky mantle]

5k7 is 5k7
No more no less

[magic falcon]

so for valley IV, what do I do with my large raw Ferrium supply?

[hidden temple]

18/min HC batts and 18/min buck As

[rapid kelp]

Is there a chance for the ferrium ore extractors to mine already refined ferrium?

[prisma granite]

no

at least not that ik of

[hidden temple]

nope

[rapid kelp]

Hmm weird ...I'm getting ferrium somewhere even tho I haven't setup a refining loop ...

[prisma granite]

hacker

[rapid kelp]

Anyways, gotta find where tf in my AICs is generating this. Thanks guys orx

[alpine whale]

Whoever told me about using wuling plants for carbon, thank you, a single planting provides 2 plants, which is enough carbon for 2 skyforges

[fiery oracle]

Metastorage ?

[fiery oracle]

yup , water is good for plants , i used that from the start .

[safe vale]

dw abt it's my trait of min maxxing everything

it's constantly 12/1/m

burns a lot of ferrium for the sc batt

[crimson inlet]

Daily reminder: READ

https://tenor.com/view/read-gif-25879491

[solid imp]

I did read i just set up wuling 3 days ago and forgot what i did since lol

[crimson inlet]

dis is for everyone

[safe vale]

sending a vid sucks

[unreal matrix]

I assume most midgame stuff will need me to clear more story after science park to access more ferrium nodes to support it right?

[safe vale]

yes

mainly wulfgard ones

But it's easy cuz its the 1st 5 mins into the quest

but I can just do this lol, what's the use of regional transfer when you backpack can go beyond dimensions

[solid imp]

It is mildly annoying to lock a bunch of ferrum nodes behind a random sidequest that's seemingly unrelated but what can you do

[solid imp]

If it's not automatic it sucks

[crimson inlet]

yes

every important and some sidestory has missions that unlock a part of an area

[runic epoch]

Metastorage gaming

[unreal matrix]

I'm managing to hover around a constant 100-110 ore in my depot atm, but i'm severely limited. I have so many stock bills I need to expand but what i'm currently making is nowhere near enough to sell. I'll keep pushing then.

[runic epoch]

What's your current highest seller?

[thorn ledge]

is this okay 3/min syringe just for selling and get stock bills?

[unreal matrix]

buck med B is 27, SC batteries for 30 (valley pass), and then LC batteries in science park for I think 10 or something? maybe higher?

so basically valley outpost stage 2, park stage 1. I'm getting most of my money from LC batteries since that's super easy to make a ton of, but the outpost is out atm.

[runic epoch]

Engage in a fair bit of stock market manipulation to get your PACs to the max upgrade

[analog elbow]

I showed him my rock but he didn't respond. now I'm going to place 500 thermal banks.

[hidden temple]

sure, your 12/min batts will carry and still have surplus anyways

[solid imp]

.dump

[shrewd sigil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/956086663447207956/1440929401293377577/he-bought-v0-xr0k05p7u92g1.png?ex=691ff194&is=691ea014&hm=23556644f228e8a04b70be8ec7172442b5e26952308f2dad2668b548183f0c92&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=610&height=593

[safe vale]

lol

better than waiting 1 hour just to transfer 1,5k ferrium

wee wee number dare I say

gigachad depot method works better

[spare cradle]

Alright I know why my battery farm bad..the purple shit was slow

I gotta set up more mines for that

Screenshot how to setup relay and Zipline efficiently because right now I have a nightmare set up

[safe vale]

rookie number

[alpine whale]

do all plants in wuling only produce one seed from the seed extractor?

[solid imp]

Yes but then they make 2 plants in the planter instead

[runic epoch]

You're still making the same rates as to just doing metastorage
You could spare yourself the effort of doing that

[solid imp]

Unless you're talking about the special plants idk about those ones

[safe vale]

yes

[alpine whale]

Is there a way to stop the planter from going idle? should I use 2 seed extrators?

[safe vale]

1 seed 2 planters

make one do full rotation, like maxxed em out and then connect to the other planters for depot or refining

[alpine whale]

That's what i do, but then because the seed extrator needs to rotate it ends up having the planter go idle for a moment

[runic epoch]

I think he's referring to wuling plants

[safe vale]

ahh

wait a min

it's better to just send this pic

not mine

but works like a charm

one wuling planters I enough

just put two next to each other and you get maxxed xiranite production atm

[alpine whale]

Why didn't I think of that 🤦

[safe vale]

60 iirc

[glad totem]

is it just me or ferrium ores are scarce in wuling?

[runic epoch]

90/min is the max for now

[glad totem]

that's so scarce. hopefully in 1.1, they would add more of those locations

only thing I can do is to optimize my aic for yazhen syringe

[alpine whale]

Thanks for sharing, dumbass me had it 2 planters one extractor and the one of the planters split into two refiners

[tired aspen]

So my take of a production quantity control system but without any way for me to auto reset the counter you have to do this manually.

[uncut rock]

Noob question how do I stop running out of power?

[runic epoch]

I think Leander has something around the same size that makes 60/min

[fossil spoke]

create more power ?

and use less power ?

[safe vale]

I got it from some1

didn't remember the name sadly

[uncut rock]

Make more power

[tired aspen]

you can practically Redstone the factory if the dev can add in technical logics like if X exceeded do Y on Z

[safe vale]

i want to shoutout to them cuz their build is good

hope they make it in the bp events

[uncut rock]

That would be cool

[safe vale]

making logic gate in endfield sucks

[safe vale]

lol

[runic epoch]

Oh this thing

[safe vale]

I didn't use it tho

I'm just using sc

Just thought that you guys wanna try it

[hidden temple]

this stuff can prolly be bruteforced, like having a depot stash act as storage unit and manually placing a set number of items. once it's full, it'll clog and redirect items via splitter to a new product line
we'd only need new basic logistics over anything functionally specific

as of now, a splitter would only split evenly no matter what. if it had priority we'd be able to make so much neat stuff

[safe vale]

Btw splitter get prioritized 1st no?

mb

[tired aspen]

Have to figure out way to get quantity of certain stuff

[safe vale]

Wont your bottle struggles?

or the ferrium parts

[gentle canyon]

e

[safe vale]

not used

just make do till u get gold gear

[lament tree]

Hello, so I just finished with the main quests now, and I want to restart my factory in valley iv because im running out of originium ore, what should I focus on?

[runic epoch]

Get your rdl up to 11 first so you have the max possible yield of all raw ores

Additionally identify what's causing that imbalance in your production line

[tired aspen]

Ferrium i am intentionally using clogging to control the ferrium usage

[safe vale]

I see

I just transfer ferrium from V4 every so often

[shrewd knoll]

Just let it exhaust and produced whenever it has resources, it's not like any other production line is making anything

[hard kayak]

It is doable

[tired aspen]

There is zero to no reasons to make a zipline system on the bottom part. Feel like it a quest sink.

[shrewd knoll]

unless they open the path at everwater brook, you kinda just zip to the other TP....

[hard kayak]

I wanna see if the people who just entered wuling can skip it

[shrewd knoll]

they cant skip it

it wont spawn for them

[tired aspen]

No critial/story quest disable recieving them

[shrewd knoll]

if you ever notice how you never see other player's structures when you arrive at the region for the first time

its always after the main mission

[tired aspen]

Kinda notice people making quest shortcuts but in most cases only appeared once certain quest and area is fully cleared

So it seem like the spawning is zoned

[hard kayak]

Welp

[tired aspen]

I dont see any build in that area even signs until i finished the quest that make the forest appeared in the map

[shrewd knoll]

I did find a weird skip where you can jump into gloomvale pit without going through the story

they forgot to put a instant death fall

so you can drop down from another ledge

[tired aspen]

I think the scene where tata dies is a good example

[runic epoch]

Oh yeah
The memo beacon

[tired aspen]

Durning most part all those build didnt appeared anywhere only after the moment tata dies they pop up seem like the dev prematurely disable the zone restriction.

[spice spade]

you create battery, then optimize consumption if you want

[tired aspen]

And also the area before the boss fight the builds start to appears after the quest is finished.

[ashen sail]

hello chat, after the station is set to fully secured (finished stage 3 defenses) can we remove the combat towers or there will still be upcoming raids?

[tired aspen]

But you cant see any build on the boss arena on the map

[spice spade]

yes you can remove

it's just gonna drain energy otherwise

[ashen sail]

got it thanks

[deep forge]

Did they remove the Spanish channels?

[tired aspen]

Funny that removing them dont just make the defense invalid despite its were showing is just a stimulation in technically sense

[shrewd knoll]

you can just turn them off, we dont know if they ever want to expand or not

no need to actually remove them

[spice spade]

i mean you can always just put them back again

[shrewd knoll]

just makes a good habit of turning stuff off, like near the essence farm

[solid imp]

Based on how perlica describes the advanced warning system thing she makes it sound like it's capable of rebuilding the towers for whichever attack is coming

Kinda like if it just auto'd the mission for you, since several of the missions need different setups from others anyway

I do think it's funny how people are apparently fine with enemies walking through the entire camp though lol

[runic epoch]

Perlica truly has the propaganda power of the ussr
Anything to uphold the agenda

[stoic coyote]

I think people go to safe zone before the attack though

[safe vale]

Perlica to endmin :"you're ourministrator"

[runic epoch]

I think this was only made clear for valley pass

[autumn root]

Hello guys I started a new account but I can't find blueprint for very early game builds, please help me or link me with the blueprints.

[stoic coyote]

Crazy

[safe vale]

for early you just need to make origocrust and advanced your way up to society

[autumn root]

I see

I do that stuff and I cap at 8k

Anything else

[safe vale]

make batts or just farm buck c

[autumn root]

Yea blueprints link share please

[safe vale]

Upgrade you depot node

[autumn root]

Everything is endgame from what I see

[runic epoch]

Become the oligarch perlica wants you to be

[autumn root]

I plan to optimise this time so I just claiming all chest and aurylene on my own since I did everything on my main account to level 55 now we gotta learn the basics until gilberta releases

Ngl I slacked 3 days on this new account stuck at level 17 and exploration level 1

[safe vale]

Go to endfieldtools.dev

[autumn root]

But I plan to stay exploration level 1 until 2027

[runic epoch]

[safe vale]

crazy

[autumn root]

Imma max all 21 units to level 30 and max all skills

Only then I will progress

So yea need help

[stoic coyote]

You are the one need that

[runic epoch]

Buck C - Stock Market - Upgrade
Buck B - Stock Market - Upgrade

Bam you're practically in
Endgame

[autumn root]

Thanks

I hope that is Asia

I have account in NA need Asia codes now

I remember 2 weeks ago we got abundant Asia codes

Now I see none

[safe vale]

main concern is that ppl forget to upgrade their depot node or stock redistribution

and their facilities struggles from lack of depot space

[stoic coyote]

Asian tends to share to Asia group mostly

[safe vale]

the first objective is to sell as much as credit as possible and upgrade stock redistribution to level 2

[safe vale]

there's a dedicated web for all server

[stoic coyote]

Global group might have less Asia code

[safe vale]

endfieldtools.dev

[stoic coyote]

I mean like social media

[runic epoch]

There's probably plenty in bilibili

[stoic coyote]

Mhm

[urban summit]

guys is there a more dense/uses less space plantation factory than my blue print? (ignore my horrible protocal stash)

[ancient zinc]

Man I wish HYPERGPH just release the MUSIC they used at Beta test 2 and Phoenix on the rise

[novel herald]

Not more dense, but mine is 3x3 instead of 5x2 like yours

Less width

[runic epoch]

Technically yours is more compact but I like my symmetry

[ancient zinc]

Add 1 more prostash or shredder = perfect

[atomic fiber]

for anyone wondering this does work offline. (min maxing battery) tested

[urban summit]

hmm yes good idea

[atomic fiber]

yesterday i ask here, there is like 3 people here say that it don't work offline

good thing i tested

[ancient zinc]

I can’t relate to this delay energy thingy

[atomic fiber]

why not optimize your factory endmin 📈

[runic epoch]

Huge space waster tho
I wouldn't call it optimised

[ancient zinc]

What’s the point of delaying it after you adds more units to make HC,BuckA and more later on..

Some reach 4K+ energy

[atomic fiber]

i disagree you can fit most thing in your main AIC. other sub-PAC is like empty

[ancient zinc]

Those PAC or Sub pac slot could be use more than doing dat delay thingy

[atomic fiber]

tbh i only use 1 sub-PAC and 1 main-PAC. 1 other sub-PAC for playing around.
the last sub-PAC is like untouched, literally empty

[runic epoch]

So ist that in your main AIC?

[atomic fiber]

yeah... tbh that is wuling

on wuling my stuff is mostly on the sub-pac

[ancient zinc]

Why don’t u show us ur main AIC if all fits

[stoic coyote]

Just stuff the bank full mate

[vapid dock]

Atleast for wuling this is decent. Lets you squeeze out a few extra batteries per min

[stoic coyote]

I dont want delay

[atomic fiber]

this is for my Valley

[runic epoch]

Oh you were talking about wuling
I thought this was your v4

[ancient zinc]

Can’t relate sorry

[atomic fiber]

wtf

[vapid dock]

Wuling just needs slightly over 1 bank w all the turrets and ziplines. We can just utilize energy reserves

[stoic coyote]

2 banks, 3.4k energy

That's it

[runic epoch]

I'd still argue it's quite space inefficient
There's probably a better way to chain it without making it look like spaghetti

[vapid dock]

Yeah but we dont need 3.4k all the time

[atomic fiber]

well... not false, kinda lazy on that one

[stoic coyote]

I mean if the bank is full, you still get the batteries anyways

Why bother getting 1 or 2 more

[atomic fiber]

because more stuff

[vapid dock]

Because again wuling usage is just over one bank?

Ie we dont need to utilize the fulll second bank

More batteries can be sent to depo for sales, more xiranite can be allocated to components

[scenic comet]

to cap out wuling stocks you actually need to be near max efficiency https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1468057352145080615

[vapid dock]

More overhead

[stoic coyote]

[fathom glade]

min maxing battery is funny

[stoic coyote]

I'll just maxing out gridline power for overhead tbh

Different approach

[fathom glade]

1800 (472s) | 3400 (40s)
exactly 1 in 512 batt stream

[vapid dock]

Were looking for bills overhead not power

[fathom glade]

^

to be fair even if we fully utilize wuling

w a ton of overhead power

we still have excess

[ancient zinc]

Meanwhile this guy

HAA YAAI

[stoic coyote]

We capped at lv2 rn

[vapid dock]

And were capped by ferrium and xiranite

[stoic coyote]

One more forge baby

Update when

[fathom glade]

btw you can calculate and use protocol spaces (storage mode unpowered) as a converger

otherwise you have to calculate the distance travelled so you dont have clog spikes on the converger

[stoic coyote]

90 xiranite per min could solve all of this optimizations

[fathom glade]

120 ferrium per minute could solve most of our problems 😔

fuckin 5.75 syr/min is so dumb

and 3 forges so we could accumulate xir components too would be nice, but it's not all bad

im still making 720 components per day with a bleed feed

[stoic coyote]

Just something to limit gear maxing tbh

Cuz what else to do

[runic epoch]

Why's bro drooling over our supreme clan head in the aic channel

[jagged wing]

how does the reactor crucible work?

[runic epoch]

Makes liquids

[stoic coyote]

Water + magic powder

That's it

[ancient zinc]

Water mix grass = solution = sold stockpile

[jagged wing]

ik but can it make two different ones at a time

[stoic coyote]

Yes

[jagged wing]

cuz mine oonly makes one

[stoic coyote]

Input 2 different powder

[jagged wing]

i have

[vapid dock]

Do you have the tech tree upgrade

[ancient zinc]

I sense no tech where u can have 2 solution at the same time

[jagged wing]

yes

[ancient zinc]

What about the pipe? 1 pipe?

[vapid dock]

It should be able to, are you inputting enough water for both solutions

[jagged wing]

yes

i have 2 pipes coming out but only one liquid is coming out of both of them

[low obsidian]

What?!

[vapid dock]

A screenshot would probably make tshooting easier

[willow beacon]

[ancient zinc]

Did u make sure u switch each different solution?

[stoic coyote]

It's clogging duh

I cant tell

[fathom glade]

nice. i make 11 batt/min and my xiranite component is 0.5/min iirc.

[ancient zinc]

Ok..

Now are u trying to use both solution on 1 filling unit?

[vapid dock]

Uh what was the issue, thats two different solutions

[willow beacon]

do you actually need that many?

[jagged wing]

no i have two filling units

[fathom glade]

no lmao

[jagged wing]

only one sloution comes out both pipes

[fathom glade]

its nice to have a stockpile, i have 14.8k and growing

[zenith seal]

How many batts are you using? Feels like its going to take 2

[fathom glade]

iirc i have like 3 extra batteries per min give or take?

[vapid dock]

Are you sure? They both have the same color just slightly different hues

[ancient zinc]

Can I see ur pipe connections?

[vapid dock]

If nothing else, try draining the pipes

[ancient zinc]

2D not 3D

[grave wedge]

I’m gonna reset my entire FACTORIES OVER MY AIC BASES ON VAL 4

[fathom glade]

I'm using uhh... 1.5+ 60/512 batteries per minute

[vapid dock]

And the machine accepting the fluid

[fathom glade]

let me run through a calculator

1.62 batteries per min.

at 1925 power consumption, you can cycle a 1/512s cycle for the second battery with 8 splitters

[zenith seal]

Oh the loop yeah sounds about right lol

I stalled my component for pure batts so im still using 1

[fathom glade]

0.5^8 *0.5= 512ths of a second

[grave wedge]

A question do you guys have a separate base for farming Buck flower, fer ores, and other things?

[vestal moat]

on ?

[fathom glade]

i didnt use a guide so i mix it all together. I think there are pros and cons.

there is a unit limit per area so keep that in mind

[vestal moat]

valley rite ?

[fathom glade]

this applies to belts, buildings, etc.

[vestal moat]

i use my sub pac for buck a

all 3

[stoic coyote]

Why bro output 2 liquid into another crucible

[zenith seal]

This doesn't matter other than to either make a base look good or to make use of the space

[jagged wing]

???

[vestal moat]

45% of main aic used for other 5% main aic

rest used for infinite plant loops

[stoic coyote]

Oh wait

I vackwward

[vestal moat]

which gonna be feed into all factory

on valley

[vapid dock]

Check the pipes if they're merging anywhere. Check the fluid inside them. If its mixed delete the whole pipeline

[fathom glade]

i think thats a good idea. as long as you generate a good amount of components for late game and maintain your trades you'll be fine

[vapid dock]

And stash the machine accepting the fluids

Since its also probably in its system

[jagged wing]

they arent mixed

[fathom glade]

i recall you only need 290.5(?) bills/minute

[stoic coyote]

Or not making enough bottle

[fathom glade]

which is easily achievable

[runic epoch]

How much ferrium are you using

[grave wedge]

I seee

[fathom glade]

you only need a battery net of 8/min and yazhen of 5.75/min

you can use the rest for your exploration / gearing needs

[jagged wing]

i have a surplus

[ancient zinc]

Uninstall and reinstall the tank storage..if u don’t clear it any solution previously used stays

Also try not to merge pipe if ur running 2 solutions

[zenith seal]

Surplus of ferrium in wuling?! Gimme

[grave wedge]

As a Designer this game’s Factory base building be an odd spaced out blocks is kinda pissin me off

[urban summit]

guys, anymore suggestion on improving my basic plant factory? it can also stack horizontally one side

[grave wedge]

I really want a mirror button which,
When you click Bulk selection - you select a factory - click replicate - Mirror, so the left and right looks centred

[runic epoch]

This is about as non basic as it gets
The ratios match up so it should be fine

[urban summit]

wdym "non-basic", i havent even unlock the water pipe thing yet

[runic epoch]

That's for wuling plants

[last mantle]

this is actually good

[runic epoch]

You can only do so much with V4 farms

[zenith seal]

I think there's an extra planter.

Could also remove one stash and line it up to another.

[urban summit]

ik i just leave it as it is, is only a blueprint

[zenith seal]

Fair enough, looks pleasing as it is

[urban summit]

you guys want the blue print?

[sonic summit]

I finally unlock sand plant thing,now its time to expand the factory Btw i know tower got more reach but What the demerits and positive of tower zipline compared to pylons again? Like electric mining use less electric than ver 2 but ver 2 is for blue ore

[runic epoch]

Tower = high cable distance for connection at the expense of
Less activation radius of individual things like zips

Pylon = lower cable distance higher activation radius

[zenith seal]

Pylons to power neaby facilities.

Relays to connect power far, far away.

[runic epoch]

Oh wait
Zipline towers have more distance
I read that completely wrong

[young stag]

finally lv12’d my regional development

[ancient zinc]

[zenith seal]

I got baited too lmao

[young stag]

how long do i have to play to unlock wuling pac

[runic epoch]

40 mins ?
Granted that's with you listening to the story

[zenith seal]

Quite a while unless you skip every single cutscene and dialogue

yeah we read it wrong lol

Main drawback is power usage increase from 5 to 10 as well as higher rarity mat needed to make

[solid imp]

You literally don't unlock it until right before the end of the current MSQ

And the first outpost so you can sell stuff is the actual end of the current MSQ

I didn't rush or skip cutscenes and it was like 6 hours

[runic epoch]

My gaming addiction might be too much

It felt like the story was under an hour

[solid imp]

I know it took 6 hours cuz it took me about 3 days to beat when i was only able to play for a couple hours each day before work

40m maybe if you beeline and skip everything

[zenith seal]

Oh hell nah, definitely a few hours. Felt like 10 maybe

I did listen and admire the expressiveness of the characters though

[solid imp]

I was paying attention to the story and dallying a bit since i didn't wanna skip and figured taking a bit longer to unlock the automation wouldn't kill me

But i just wasn't expecting how long it took

At least it's 6 hours of story and not 6 hours of fucking tutorials like unlocking the first v4 base

It's only 30 minutes of tutorials

[zenith seal]

I skipped most of the early bit...too annoying to be babysit around and its the usual "savior haveth cometh" intro

[sonic summit]

I asking Zipline tower not electric tower

[solid imp]

I hope you didn't skip anything with our supreme chief tangtang

[zenith seal]

@sonic summit

[sonic summit]

So except that there no demerits whats over?

[drifting chasm]

Do I need to build my factory rn or just continue playing main story and worry about factory later, Im LU 15

[zenith seal]

Yeah better to just spam towers over pylons if you have enough mats unless you're really lacking power.

[solid imp]

Zipline towers have 30m more range and you can set up "routes" so you can just press e to go from one to the next instead of aiming at every one

[runic epoch]

Ardashir
Bro has too much drip

[solid imp]

It might cost a bit more power idk

[zenith seal]

Wait...IS THAT WHY I COULDN'T SET UP ROUTES

[sonic summit]

Man after i unlock sand plat i already made 100 tower instantly

[solid imp]

Yeah no routes for pylons

[zenith seal]

im too lazy to remake my v4 ziplines

[solid imp]

I went back and tower'd all my pylons

It took 2 hours

[atomic fiber]

took me 6 days

to set up all ziplines

imagine

[zenith seal]

Nah i started paying attention from mid v4

Tangtang was cute as hell as an illiterate thief whos also sweet at heart

[solid imp]

Hey bronya how's seele been

[atomic fiber]

she is good yes

[solid imp]

Oh you skipped early v4, understandable

I'd say the game starts to pick up in every manner around the science park (since it stops tutorializing everything) and again with wuling so understandable

[zenith seal]

TATA and yvonne pretty much made it interesting

[stoic coyote]

I have seen this somewhere

[solid imp]

Wuling is when they remembered to give the endmin a crumb of personality

[zenith seal]

Oh Gilberta story is out? Haven't touched it yet so may wann put a spoiler

[runic epoch]

I sat through the entire story
And hit wuling in max 2 days

[solid imp]

What is this kingdom hearts lmao

i can hear Simple and Clean in my head just looking at that pic

[rapid vigil]

dam, nice spoilers

[solid imp]

Why are we posting Gilberta story in factory chat anyway

Can i automate pulls for Angelina

[rapid vigil]

we gonna turn angelina into a originium mine

[solid imp]

500 Gilberta per minute

[runic epoch]

Top ten 6 star weapon farms not clickbait

[stoic coyote]

Oh wrong chat just realized

👍

[jagged vector]

No image perms in general AND off topic

[stoic coyote]

But Gilberta cute anyways

[distant ibex]

is max ferrium yield in wuling 90?

[runic epoch]

Ardelia kinda looks like shigure ui

[runic epoch]

Yes

[distant ibex]

So max syringes i can make is one per 10 seconds?

Wait

Even less?

[runic epoch]

[crude nebula]

6 mostly

[runic epoch]

Metastorage your ferrium from v4

[crude nebula]

I honestly still a bit confuse on this meta storage, whats the different with transfer storage e.g on development lvl 11

[distant ibex]

I put 4 outputs of ferium, 2 to make parts for syringes and 2 to make bottles at the same rate. But rigs can only mine enough for 3 outputs. So i guess 4.5 syringes per minute while packaging unit is capable of 6 per minute

[runic epoch]

Meta just duplicates the items and doesn't eat into your depot

Regional transfer does

[solid imp]

Basically
If you metastorage ferrum you get another 25/m so you can almost fill a packaging unit

You'll make like 5.8/m instead of 6/m but close enough

[distant ibex]

I already forgot how it functions

[crude nebula]

So let say every 1 hour, you get 1.5k of tier 1 item out of nowhere?

[solid imp]

Yeah

[crude nebula]

You actually don't need to craft it in v4?

[solid imp]

Correct

[distant ibex]

Like this? What exactly happens here?

[crude nebula]

Bruh

[crimson inlet]

THE FACTORY MUST GROW

[solid imp]

Though i mean your can just metatransfer the ferrum ore

[undone tiger]

why does my infra-station sub pac only take green batteries

[crimson inlet]

WE ARE POOR IN WULING

[runic epoch]

That's regional
So it takes your ferrium and transfers it to wuling in an hour

At the expense of depot

[crude nebula]

I metatransfer the refined boxed ferrium. So i don't need to refined it again in wuling to craft bottle

[distant ibex]

ok i had to cancel the regional to see the metastorge thing to pop up

[zenith seal]

Don't refined boxes take up more value?

[queen bloom]

What is the final product for wuling factory? Currently I only made xiranite component, battery and yazhen syringe

[distant ibex]

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔. Isn''t it better if i produce bottles in valley and transfer them?

[zenith seal]

That's pretty much it

[crude nebula]

Same as original ferrium

[runic epoch]

Thats pretty much all you can make

[crude nebula]

The bottle takes 3 slot per bottle

Iirc

[distant ibex]

Ohhh it's the same :I

[crude nebula]

While ferrium or the refined boxed ferium thing only takes 1 slot

[queen bloom]

How much ferrium anyway? My usage is always higher on wuling. I dont think the transfer is enough

[solid imp]

Doesn't really matter

[warped delta]

The 2hrs of wiring up Lodespring broke me today. Had to take a break for the rest of the night bc of that

[solid imp]

I guess you save a tiny amount of power shipping bottles

[distant ibex]

What is refined boxed ferium?

[undone tiger]

why can i only trade in green batteries in my infra-station sub pac? how do i give blue or purple batteries?

[fresh apex]

We are in 1.0, I’m assuming we get more when 1.1 and so on drops

[runic epoch]

90 + 25 if we're adding metastorage

[solid imp]

Ferrum ore > refining unit > becomes ferrum cube thing

[warped delta]

Need to level up the outpost to sell the higher tier ones

[queen bloom]

Yeah, same with me. My usage is 120 lol, seems like I need to manually add the ore once in a while

[crude nebula]

Um i forgot what its called. The product you get after refined an ore

[runic epoch]

If you metastorage it should be fine

[queen bloom]

It automatically add the 1500 to the depot right?

[potent mantle]

Not the same if u use 1 ferrium ore to produce

[crude nebula]

Iirc 800 if bottle but 1500 if ferrium

[distant ibex]

But it needs two

[runic epoch]

Yep

[shut meteor]

i know theres a war going on around me rn but holy sbit finally!

[potent mantle]

That is what the formulae said, if u lower to 1 it still produces but slower at 4 sec

[distant ibex]

I think you miss some context. I was wondering which is better to send through metastorage. The difference is I will save space in wuling which i don't need

[queen bloom]

This single sandleaf variant will supplies the entire talos II. Just pray there is no sandleaf virus on talos II

[shut meteor]

a single infection could wipe out the civilization

[solid imp]

If you need the 6/m and aren't happy with 5.8/m sure but i just don't mind it either way

[potent mantle]

And i gave u the answer, its not the same if u use 1 ferrium ore to produce 1 ferrium bottle

[crude nebula]

I think the rate of ferrium ore to bottle is 2:1

But the meta storage limit is 1500:800 iirc

[solid imp]

It is

[distant ibex]

how do you produce 1 bottle with 1 ferrium?

[crude nebula]

Wait for 2 ferrium

[potent mantle]

Connect 1 output of ferrium

[solid imp]

It isn't, 750 for bottles

[crude nebula]

So the rate actually the same huh

[potent mantle]

Different just slower

[solid imp]

Then you get bottles at 15/m instead of 30/m and your yazhen syringe production is halved

[distant ibex]

It still takes two to produce a bottle 😭

It's just slower

[crude nebula]

I should just metastorage bottle to reduce electricity then

[potent mantle]

Not when u have another bottle output at wuling

[solid imp]

Oh wait this is remidis they're trolling ignore them

They were doing this yesterday too

[potent mantle]

....

[distant ibex]

Understandable

https://tenor.com/view/rat-gag-eww-disgusting-disgusted-vomit-gif-988139550830516254

[solid imp]

If you're not trolling that's even worse because it means you are unimaginably, and consistently bad at math

[potent mantle]

Whatever u do u

[potent mantle]

Already said u can still produce the bottle with 1 ferrium ore, just slower lol

Still can negate if u use 1 ferrium ore output to produce the bottle at wuling side

[solid imp]

Then your yahzen syringe production slows down

Eh why am i engaging now

I can't listen to my own advice

[potent mantle]

More like u cant understand

[distant ibex]

Idk if i understood that 1500:800 part but storage limit is 1500 always and it judges how many items can go by how many points of this limit an item uses

[potent mantle]

1500:750

[solid imp]

Remidis is correct here, it is 1500 for ore or 750 for bottles

[rapid vigil]

i prefer taking the ore, so u build ur base using the ore
so when they add more ore to the map u don't need to redo ur base

[solid imp]

So yeah it doesn't really matter which you send but if you send the bottles you save a slight amount of power in wuling (since you can skip a refining unit and molding unit)

Though it does make the ratios slightly awkward cuz now you're getting 12.5 bottles per minute (almost half a belt) from meta instead of 25/m ore (almost a full belt)

[distant ibex]

That's bad for me since i need to put 1 bottle and 2 ferium parts into machine. if i have moulding unit making bottles with 2 ferium input then the syringes will be produced slower than they should 2 feriums go to bottle machine 2 feriums go to ferium part machine. 1 bottle comes out and 2 parts come out at same speed making syringes at max speed my ore yield allows

how to hide ui to take better screenshot of factory?

[potent mantle]

U only need 1 ferrium part formulae says 2

[runic epoch]

It'd half the production in 2 no?

[distant ibex]

yes

[potent mantle]

Not when u connect the ferrium cube from bottle to fitting

[distant ibex]

I implore you to take better look at the moulding unit in action

[solid imp]

"Ferrium cube from bottle to fitting" nani

[potent mantle]

When ferrium part slows down, ferrium bottle gets clogged, ferrium cube from bottle side will go to ferrium part

[solid imp]

Fitting unit makes parts

[distant ibex]

Well it doesn't clog with two inputs so i must be right

[solid imp]

Oh splitters

[potent mantle]

Yes we all know that and bottle and fitting requires ferrium cube to process

[solid imp]

I just misunderstood what you were trying to say

[distant ibex]

this is what i made

[sonic summit]

Guys asking about optimized flow how much item does belt do ?

[solid imp]

30/m

[runic epoch]

Hrmmm
Granted my jincao is somewhere else

[queen bloom]

What is the difference between metastorage and the normal one? I only know that metastorage does not affect the storage of valley 4

[runic epoch]

That's your main difference
If your running at max output / input in v4

It'll eventually devour your depot

[sonic summit]

Is that same as normal factory unit output like refinery?

[queen bloom]

So metastorage is strictly better than the normal one right

[solid imp]

So if I'm understanding you right, meta bottles (for 12.5 bottles/m) and then only send one belt of ferrum to bottles in wuling itself (to get 15/m bottles)? Yeah that works actually

[runic epoch]

Yes

[solid imp]

Sorry for saying you were trolling

[distant ibex]

is the drink better secretly? syringe restores more

[potent mantle]

Yup

[solid imp]

Drink heals immediately, syringe heals more over time

Same as buck vs citrome

[potent mantle]

Metastorage auto transfer, the other u need to transfer manually once done

[solid imp]

Instant heal vs stronger 6s heal

[solid imp]

Ya

If you can meta then meta

[runic epoch]

6s feels very short till you use sentry turrets

[solid imp]

The 8s for beam turrets feels like 3 hours lol

[potent mantle]

Nope

[solid imp]

Oh them's the fancy heals

[distant ibex]

the purple text 🤔 what could it mean

[runic epoch]

Teammates can use theirs to heal you

[potent mantle]

Means your ai operator will use on your controlled operator

[solid imp]

AFAIK it means if your controlled operator is out then other teammates will use theirs on you

Yah what they said

[marble yarrow]

just produce syringe using 115/m usage of ferrium. i have a config for it

[solid imp]

You know it's a true automation game when you start needing to build stuff out of ratio cuz you don't have a choice lol

[marble yarrow]

i hope they add more logic units like a true flow limiter

[solid imp]

Though in factorio it's usually because the mines ran dry
Or my power died so the miners stopped
Or a biter ate my damn power pole
Or i ran the power pole over myself with a tank

[runic epoch]

Endgame is realising symmetry is not minmaxing

[solid imp]

Or i just didn't make enough furnaces

I've managed to avoid my power grid ever crashing in Endfield but only cuz I've crashed my power grid in factorio about 72 times

[potent mantle]

Also ferrium bottle produces at 15/min if u use 1 ferrium output at v4

30/min is overkill with surplus

[winged swan]

hey does anyone have max stock gain bases? im at end game

need for valley and wuling

[scenic comet]

ferrium and fer bottles are same value of transfers, it doesn't matter so it's better to transfer the base ore as you can simplify your syringe maker

[scenic comet]

https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1466125655941976135 https://discord.com/channels/950244160684834837/1468057352145080615

[ornate scaffold]

if im doing my math right, i need 8 ferrium outputs to supply 1 buck A machine?

[vapid dock]

Yes

[ornate scaffold]

holy

im burnt already

one sandleaf plant loop can supply 3 grinding machines?

[vapid dock]

Yes2

[solid imp]

Correct, and I'm glad you're doing the math to figure out the ratios

You're already 90% of the way to a well-ordered maxed base

[vapid dock]

Just split one output 8 times /s

[solid imp]

And I'm always pleased to see someone engaging with the mechanics instead of just netdecking a blueprint

[solid imp]

Yummy 3/m ferrum ore

You joke but I've seen people do that in factorio

[ornate scaffold]

im trying my best to avoid blueprints for now

[raven willow]

my not so compact\optimized with redundant relays and pylons HC Battery and Buck capsule A line but is definitely 99% mirrored

[spring robin]

the yazhen production is kinda slowwww

[ornate scaffold]

im a factorio player so id like to figure out how to compress a base on my own

do people make everything on site?

as like a self contained unit

[runic epoch]

How many yazhen did you put in to kickstart the farm

[solid imp]

I've seen people in the factorio discord follow a guide that'd say "you need 4 belts of iron plates" so they just make like a couple furnaces that can't even fill one belt, split it out into 4 belts then ask why they're always out if iron lmao

[spring robin]

50

[ornate scaffold]

factorio is so much math 😂

[solid imp]

Since depot unloader space is limited its almost always better to go from raw resource to finished product in one production line

[hidden temple]

i see a splitter in front of your pump
how many facilities is that pump providing water for

[ornate scaffold]

trying to think of how to fit these plant loops into my machines

[spring robin]

oohh...

yeah

5

[scenic comet]

disconnect the yazhen output for like 30 seconds to build up seeds so it doesnt stall

[runic epoch]

Oh no wonder

[ornate scaffold]

and also since each loop supplies only 3 grinding machines, and i need 4 per buck a unit...

hows that gonna work

am i gonna need 3 buck a units

[runic epoch]

Duplicate said farm

[scenic comet]

simplified syringe blueprint, this splitter doesn't slow down yazhen because it's 1:2

[vapid dock]

Buck a is 6 grind machines, 4 for ferrium 2 for buckflower. You just need 8 ferrium belts, 2 buckflower belts, and 2 sandleaf belts grinded into 6 grinding machines.

Where machines go where is upto your design

[hard kayak]

Where you getting the bottles from?

[scenic comet]

full blueprint:

[ornate scaffold]

oh wait ur so right, i need buckflower too

W comms

[hidden temple]

you don't have to force yourself to try to match excess production from an infinite source
if you get excess shredded sandleaves, you could lane those outputs into a depot stash or just let the shredder clog

[scenic comet]

because buck A and HC bat recipes are so huge, it's better to depot the sandpowder and use an unloader right into the facilities rather than trying to route the 1 shredder all over

but if you want to be a degen (like me) you can figure out the routing for maximum space efficiency

[winged swan]

the first blue print is for power plateau? and other one is for main hub, wheres valley? sorry for asking

[ornate scaffold]

thats lowkey what im trying to figure out

im sweating it...

[spring robin]

what to do about these

[ornate scaffold]

and i need it all to fit in 1 row

[runic epoch]

It's ok
Take it slow and work backwards

[supple sand]

The regional transfer thing is metatransfer right?

[ornate scaffold]

yep

[scenic comet]

all outposts are the same. endgame needs the CORE (main hub) maxed out, 1 outpost maxed out, then the other 2 outposts can be min with only depot unlock. refugee camp is the cheapest outpost to max out

[ornate scaffold]

i just have to figure out how to route the sandleaf powder to all these grinders

[runic epoch]

You have to select it (meta transfer via clicking edit)

[scenic comet]

o7 good luck, took me like 2 days tbh

wrote a blueprint guide so people who just wanna drag-n-drop can do so

[runic epoch]

I maxed out all of em since I like having walking space

[supple sand]

Like this?

[hidden temple]

with the setup being within the width of 8 unloaders yeah, if you want it to be tileable

[scenic comet]

yeah i did do eventually, at max stock gain i make like 5mil stock per day, so maxing is EZ PZ

[scenic comet]

no, that's coming from stockpile

you need valley at RDL12 to metatransfer

[turbid lance]

I wish they add a flip button on blueprints

[supple sand]

I have that

[scenic comet]

stop transfer and click on stock pile, there should be a toggle to metatransfer

[supple sand]

Oh nvm metastoragw

Mb thanks guys

[analog elbow]

||Factory Must Grow||

[solid imp]

Which operator do y'all play as when doing factory building

Who is meta for automation

[scenic comet]

the caps lock key

[hidden temple]

not sure how it'd work for facilities with no mirror symmetry, like ones with a water intake

[analog elbow]

3D View from the top?

[safe vale]

My hand

[runic epoch]

Birds Eye View

[safe vale]

my hand is the operator

[solid imp]

They'll either take the factorio route and let you flip the input, or take the old factorio route and just go "can't flip a blueprint with this building in it"

[distant ibex]

i'm going to make xiranite battery factory as well as i can but i want it done by myself not from internet. But I'm up for tips on what to do so I don't rebuild it too much halfway

[solid imp]

Yeah but who were you controlling before caps lock

[hidden temple]

yeah I'd suspect the latter

[analog elbow]

I only use Last Rite so Last Rite?

[scenic comet]

i only use Laev team, so lev

[analog elbow]

With no Sandleaf. No Factory

[solid imp]

World's shyest engineer

[runic epoch]

Lavacakes

[hidden temple]

I main last rite but I always swap to xaihi before constructing

[solid imp]

I feel like laev would burn the factory down before building anything willingly

[sacred salmon]

i hate Sandleaf

[analog elbow]

i like how clumsy she is. I do have Lava Girl but i don't use her that much

[analog elbow]

Blasphemy

[runic epoch]

Here me out on Chen qianyu as the engineer

[solid imp]

https://tenor.com/view/satisfactory-factor-io-factorio-satisfactory-game-automation-gif-4780683496031639747

That's how you end up with this

[runic epoch]

Qianyu would end up causing another aether rift explosion

She's just that powerful

[sacred salmon]

bro is calling her by her family name

like she did something wrong

[analog elbow]

[smoky rain]

How much orginium ore should I be mining for end of valley 4? Want to make sure I have all of them and optimize factory usage around that.

[analog elbow]

Hating on sandleaf will result in these

[analog elbow]

Endgams factory? Regional Lvl 11 atleast and all Mineral Bed rigged

[sacred salmon]

i dont like to waste so much space for making these stupid leafs 🥲

[solid imp]

I need to learn to say her name like Tangtang does
CHEN QIANYU!?

[sacred salmon]

i already got my batteries, makes 4 batteries/10s

[safe vale]

V4 or wuling

[analog elbow]

Mine is pretty compact

[smoky rain]

Just about to go to the new region, I have regional lv 12 atm

[analog elbow]

that's enough lmao

[sacred salmon]

real, but you can just learn Chinese

[solid imp]

Ok fair point but I'm lazy

[sacred salmon]

yeah im slow with story so will get there soon

[solid imp]

Also I'd probably give my Chinese an American accent anyway

[sacred salmon]

i like chaos

you would not want to see my Satisfactory world

[safe vale]

no I'm asking it's for wuling or for Valley 4

[analog elbow]

[solid imp]

I can't build compact for shit, incredibly spaghetti only

[analog elbow]

.paypal

[shrewd sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/paypal-me-paypal-paypal-me-30k-perlica-arknights-gif-3472834387034500009

[sacred salmon]

but hey, at the end i completed it, if it works it works 😆

[runic epoch]

Isn't qianyu her name and chen the family name

Could've sworn it was clan name then given name in Chinese

[sacred salmon]

uhh i dont get it you ask where the Sandleafs are?

[sacred salmon]

idk tbh

[drifting coyote]

If i'm doing 6/m yazhen syringe in wuling, how do i make up for the gradual ferrium loss
It's 30/m drain, so even with metastorage transfer, i lose 300 ferrium every hour, had to shut down the facility once a week to let ferrium recover

[safe vale]

No like where do you need it for, valley 4 factory or for wuling factory

it's simple question

[smoky rain]

yeah... just trying to see how I can lower my orginium ore usage for power. I have HC batteries being made and I'm realizing they are incredibly inefficient as they take up a ton of orginium ore

[solid imp]

I always get confused with translations cuz i never know if they flip the given and family names for English audiences or not

[sacred salmon]

oh sorry im dumb

[safe vale]

[sacred salmon]

i mean right now i make a lot of meds and batteries and my farms are on V4

[marble yarrow]

throttle the ferrium