team-build

[strong schooner]

who do you have with fangyi

[sonic imp]

Oh. Mine use Xiranite Power Arm for the WIL

[strong schooner]

pls don't say something absurd like rossi perlica ember

[sonic imp]

I guess Redeemer Seal does gives more UGE

[strong schooner]

only zimen can get away with that shit

[strong schooner]

oh

oh

[timid quail]

dont use ake, slimes dont have stagger bar

[strong schooner]

remove akekuri

[fiery cosmos]

oh wait no I don't even have rapid ascent on her lmao

it's aspirant

[strong schooner]

run antal or ardelia

[acoustic edge]

Antal sounds dogshit for most of this umbral

[sonic imp]

You can remove Akekuri for UM4-3. If you need the extra SP, try Alesh

[strong schooner]

he has fangyi maxed

[sonic imp]

or Ardelia if you need heals

[strong schooner]

just spam, literally

[fiery cosmos]

Aspirant is pretty solid for her tbf, albeit budget pick

[wet moat]

box cutter exist for budget option

[strong schooner]

i cleared this shit underleveled and its not like i was thinking, i was deadass button mashing

[fiery cosmos]

box cutter?

[sonic imp]

Sundering Steel

[wet moat]

sundering steel

[scenic wedge]

Fangyi battle skill, then arclight combo, then Fangyi combo then arclight combo again?

[strong schooner]

you dont need that much thinking, just use 4 characters instead of whats practically 3

guys check the pinned doc for fangyi

[scenic wedge]

Btk sequence?

[timid quail]

and always look if arclights combo is active (if it is whiteon bottom left corner)

[strong schooner]

i think a few ppl need it here

i was that lost before so i get the early confusion

[timid quail]

especially during Fangyi ult you could use battle skill too early

[strong schooner]

but just reading the skill description and understanding roles of operators should help you find footing

[fiery cosmos]

the sheet is nice but it only covers elec/heat/cryo

some of us are still on phys

[timid quail]

we're EN, we don't read

[strong schooner]

most people here are talking about fangyi man

i dont get it all like how

[fiery cosmos]

reminds me, still need to level her

[sonic imp]

Clown is an Electric main afterall

[strong schooner]

lv60 on her signature weapon

[velvet ravine]

i look at that pinned google sheet and have no idea what it is even trying to tell me tbh

[sonic imp]

so, the guide starts from Arts first

[timid quail]

Imo she is the strongest and most braindead unit so far, so

[languid forge]

dump stacks with Chen/Lifeng until 4
Breach
Repeat
Crush

[strong schooner]

exactly my point

the stage only felt like a struggle when my dumbass tried to force yvon/rite standard teams

single target dps that are UNDERLEVELED

so yea its that braindead, run fangyi

[timid quail]

yeah Yvonne, although I love her very much is only needed for single target

[strong schooner]

i have berta tangtang and xaihi on her team

but the purple ones just 😭

like im going full cc

p1 berta and yvon as well

but the lack of essence/artificing/mastery is that clear, the stage doesnt need dodging or cc, just raw aoe damage

[sonic imp]

My struggle was in UM4-6 because I am overconfident that I can dodge them all. Then, BOOM, hoaming ice spike

[languid forge]

Is Fangyi braindead or is her ult form braindead
Fangyi with ult down feels like eating nails

[strong schooner]

then i ran fangyi with a lv60 weapon same level, same for othe conditions

and it was just brainded spamming

[timid quail]

in general her team is pretty braindead bc you can just spam

[strong schooner]

🕊️

[timid quail]

compare that to either rossi teams, pog + endmin team or even Avywenna team

[strong schooner]

fangyi 101

perlica bs > spam combos

work for ult, rinse and repeat

[velvet ravine]

im dead in 2nd wave with ZFY, ardi,perli and arclight.. >.>

[strong schooner]

put ardelia in first slot, zhuang in 2nd, perlica in 3rd, arclight in 4th then try again

[fiery cosmos]

Tried this, you get nowhere near enough SP to proc the Crush while Breach is up.

[languid forge]

I don't doubt the spam but when you're hitting a stagger-proof brick like Agony stage 6 Tidalklast it's like

I can't see shit
Fangyi is winding up for 60 frames for a basic attack
She gets hit and dies from being made of tissue paper

[strong schooner]

when a combo skill shows up just use it instantly even multiple

[sonic imp]

Rossi team is easy smh

1. Setup her Combo Skill
2. Do her Battle Skill
3. Spam Ult
   

[velvet ravine]

the slimes scatter and i always get some slipping past when i try to kill.. 2 slimes past in on the first wave

[strong schooner]

fangyi does aoe damage man

just...move

also has insane range

[velvet ravine]

i dont understand a thing! what do you mean move? im moving all the time? huh?

[languid forge]

Agony 6 is single target and the Tidalklast is all ranged attacks

[strong schooner]

ok this has to be ragebait

[slate mango]

does ember shield protect from the damage wave in slime stage?

[strong schooner]

he is talking about the slime stage 😭

[sonic imp]

you can knock them back with basic attack, you can group them up like that

[strong schooner]

the one with slugs tryna explode your health

[sonic imp]

a little bit tedious but get the job done

[languid forge]

Oh you meant for Slime stage and not in general
Yeah Fangyi is braindead for that stage lmao

[wet moat]

no lol

[strong schooner]

he is failing with maxed fangyi + perlica + arclight on team

[mighty inlet]

hey guys, I just shitted a team idea with 0 thinking
can yall rate it?
Laev, Ardelia, Gilberta, Chen

[strong schooner]

i genuinely dont understand how

[sonic imp]

It does. I have Thunderberge tho

[strong schooner]

and i dont even mean anything negative im just failing to comprehend how that can even happen

[mighty inlet]

(for killing waves of enemys, not bosses)

[strong schooner]

like if MASH the keyboard you will win

[wet moat]

im sure some dude already test it before or is it thunderberge exclusive?

[timid quail]

to be fair, Tidalklast is more gimmicky

[strong schooner]

neither snowshine nor ember can tank it

[mighty inlet]

hey guys, I just shitted a team idea with 0 thinking
can yall rate it?
Laev, Ardelia, Gilberta, Chen

[velvet ravine]

i can't.. its just frustrating me.. first wave killed me again

[wet moat]

solo ardel then

e3 60 + lynx set

[strong schooner]

it wont work

[wet moat]

u just bs every 1/3 hp gone

[timid quail]

just learn the solo ardel run atp ngl

[mighty inlet]

why tho

[sonic imp]

I believe if the shield shatters, you get hit the full damage. But if the shield holds, you don't take it. Thunderberge buff Shield gain, so that helps

[timid quail]

at least it would be confirmed to work

[strong schooner]

you will win still im just saying they dont work together

[mighty inlet]

(for killing waves of enemys, not bosses)

[strong schooner]

ardelia combo triggers only when there is no vul/infliction

[timid quail]

with no Laev Ult gain?

[strong schooner]

berta combo will only trigger when you do an arts reaction

[timid quail]

you need heat stacks broski

[strong schooner]

corrossion or combustion for that team

chen is just being pretty on the team

[mighty inlet]

the ult is being collected without any additional inflicts

[strong schooner]

like i said, you will "win"

[strong schooner]

the game is that enabling in freedom

[wet moat]

@sonic imp seems no

[sonic imp]

Ardelia works with Leava and Chen but Laeva and Chen doesn't work with each other

[mighty inlet]

the main point is like to keep the fuckers together and gain damage thru lae's skills and combo

[timid quail]

?

the bar is full, so it doesnt seem to register a CS being used

[strong schooner]

the team will be somewhat functional if you replace chen with literally any other phy character who can eat vul stacks

[mighty inlet]

chen in for gilberta

[strong schooner]

wont feel crippled

[mighty inlet]

ig imma replace ardelia

[sonic imp]

Yeah, the explosion won't trigger her C

what I meant was Shield from her Ult

[wet moat]

oh ulti shit

no idea then, but eh, still dijang slave only anwya

[strong schooner]

u can try wulf + berta + ember (instead of chen)

on paper, it works

[sonic imp]

I slapped on 3 UGE Xiranite + Redeeemer Seal

[strong schooner]

but the best team is not that, akekuri instead of ember is the better one

[mighty inlet]

ik, I wanna do sth instead of the "best" team

kinda tired of it

[strong schooner]

i understand

my planned team for laev was ember/berta/wulf

[sonic imp]

She was a good controlled unit until the enemy don't have stagger bar

[strong schooner]

but i started late and i wont have enough pulls to hit 120

[velvet ravine]

progress! i only died in the final wave now!

[strong schooner]

so i just hope i lucksack

[velvet ravine]

but its still too much, and i can't clear the waves of slimes

[strong schooner]

think thats a tall task ngl

[strong schooner]

the same team?

did you die to blue slimes or purple slimes

[timid quail]

It would be insane to do the same thing all over again ngl

[strong schooner]

like how many were left

[timid quail]

but Ik what you mean

[velvet ravine]

the zfy team yeah, with ardi instead of ake

[mighty inlet]

what u think abt
Lae, gilberta, chen, tangtang

[strong schooner]

you really love chen huh

[velvet ravine]

the ones that can't be knocked back.. like a whole bunch will make it in from every angle

[mighty inlet]

nah, first time using except the first 30 mins

[timid quail]

Catcher solo

[strong schooner]

it's okay just you are gonna be super starved for sp so it wont feel good to pilot

replace chen with some sp gen

[timid quail]

[strong schooner]

ideally akekuri or heck even pog

[mighty inlet]

who is pog

[strong schooner]

the russian aura farmer

[mighty inlet]

ohh

[timid quail]

Pogranichnik

sry wasn't familiar with your game

[strong schooner]

seeing that as a newbie that was super happy clearing endgame at level 60s with level 3 skills was like a culture shock

[acoustic edge]

Battle attack first attack to final strike

[sonic imp]

If you really want it to not work, try Laeva, Yvonne, Pog, Flourite

[strong schooner]

seeing the snowshine solo at lv40 on the two mad bulls was even more so

[mighty inlet]

but his combo won't activate

[mighty inlet]

shut the flip up
I player with lae, gilberta, Yvonne, last rite and it worked

[timid quail]

who needs combo if you can Battle skill your way into victory?

[strong schooner]

😭

insane team

[sonic imp]

because you have Gil smh

[mighty inlet]

it kinda worked actually

[strong schooner]

but everyone has their efficiency kicked in the nuts is what am saying

[fiery cosmos]

Okay so... What gear should Pog and Lifeng be running? fsr I have Pog on swordmancer and Lifeng on eternal xiranite and both are very naff

[strong schooner]

you can get away with anything in teambuilding, just a matter of dmg maxxing

[mighty inlet]

nvm , I had Wulf instead of Yvonne

[sonic imp]

Laeva - Yvonne - Pog - Flourite
the only syngergy in that team is Pog can Shatter Yvonne B

[strong schooner]

im cryin

[mighty inlet]

but how does Pog synergizes with chen?

[mighty inlet]

his combo skill won't activate at all

[strong schooner]

huh what

[fiery cosmos]

chen makes a buttload of vuln, pog chews it up

[wet moat]

???

[strong schooner]

....hear me out, use his battle skill

when there is a vul stack already

then see what happens

[mighty inlet]

ohh

but I gotta waste some ressources on upgrading pog now

[sonic imp]

and when Pog eat those Vuln stacks, he can do Combo Skill

[velvet ravine]

i killed all of them! well, except for the last one. who exploded and killed my team.

[mighty inlet]

damn

[strong schooner]

what do you have leveled

[mighty inlet]

nah, I have enough

of ressources

[strong schooner]

its not like thats the best "option"

according to what you want, which is maxxing vul stacks

[timid quail]

you're getting there!! Hang in there

[strong schooner]

for gilberta...

run ember maybe?

[mighty inlet]

I wanna have everyone together

[strong schooner]

you dont need to do anything just get hit and she will give u a stack

[mighty inlet]

so lae gets her skills

[mighty inlet]

🤔

[strong schooner]

who is everyone

[mighty inlet]

enemys

[strong schooner]

nice, just try to make fangyi eat a few sheeps so she survives if that happens again

[strong schooner]

I thought you wanted to max the ult effect

orz

[mighty inlet]

nah, I got a team for bosses

[sonic imp]

Pog - Chen - Ember
It basically a Physical team at that point

[strong schooner]

nah he is running laev-berta

[fiery cosmos]

What is the hot work set doing for Pog? Just... big Will numbers?

[strong schooner]

doesnt want to run wulf or akekuri

[mighty inlet]

nah

[sonic imp]

more like big Arts Intensity

[mighty inlet]

they ok

[fiery cosmos]

I'd have thought he'd go Frontiers to try and make his SP gain... not awful

[mighty inlet]

Ig ot an idea

[sonic imp]

Intensity helps his Breach do better debuff

[wet moat]

AI

[strong schooner]

honestly if you are hell bent on that, just run ardelia + berta + pog

[mighty inlet]

Lae, Gilberta, Chen, Last RIte

[strong schooner]

a rossi team cosplaying as a laev one

[mighty inlet]

hear me out

[strong schooner]

god bless you

[velvet ravine]

im like.. heavily exploiting the sheeps every last couple of mobs per wave.. but its still no good.. the unknockbackable ones murder me every 2nd wave

[fiery cosmos]

Genuinely wasn't aware arts intensity worked for phys

thought it was just, y'know, the arts four

[strong schooner]

....hold left click

[sonic imp]

you can do it with Intensity chest piece too, but I like mine to have a little bit of UGE

[strong schooner]

you know you can hold it right? you dont need to click click click like this is NTE

[strong schooner]

"cosmetic stat"

[mighty inlet]

LR activation -> gilberta pulls shi together -> Rite's skill attacks them -> cryo inf + a bit SP recovery -> gilberta's skill ends -> corrosion -> lae's combo skill fucks everyone
also chen's combo activates cuz of gilberta

am I talkin shit or yes?

[sonic imp]

yeah, because it "Arts Intensity". So, counterintuitive name

[wet moat]

u want some uge on pog, unless its p4 pog

[strong schooner]

yea but the damage is gonna be like yvon in aoe

[undone ivy]

Whats better on Soupsoup qingbo or bonecrusha?

[strong schooner]

tickling worthy

[strong schooner]

qingbo unless u wanna run dps soupsoup

[mighty inlet]

imma try the shi I made

[sonic imp]

Yeah, that's what I thought. Without UGE, the timing is kinda off

[velvet ravine]

yeah thats the problem.. like it always targets the ones furthest from me.. i keep having to readjust to attack the ones coming to the centre.. im ALWAYS having leftclick down

[cold cargo]

depends

[strong schooner]

just have fun man you clearly dont give a rat's ass about meta

[wet moat]

it is lol, 98% ulti on pog

[strong schooner]

just make sure you are always in front of the wave

and when there is two at the same time, have fangyi ult ready with combos not on cd and nuke one wave fast then dash to the other

[mighty inlet]

wait

is chen's combo even aoe?

[wet moat]

it is aoe

[strong schooner]

yk shrimp i think there is an endfield content channel you will REALLY like

[sonic imp]

I think except Antal, everyone has a little bit of AoE

[mighty inlet]

is the dmg also aoe?
or is it only the lift applying on everyone?

[strong schooner]

look up "Zimen Endfield"

[slate mango]

all aoe

[strong schooner]

you are gonna see blasphemy put in practice

[mighty inlet]

the range kinda shi

[strong schooner]

pull with berta then use it

[mighty inlet]

what if I take tangtang

[strong schooner]

instead of rite?

cuz she literally also does cryo infliction on battle skill...

which triggers her own combo

[velvet ravine]

its not working.. i keep having them walk past me >.>

[mighty inlet]

instead of chen

[strong schooner]

pog - tt - berta

[velvet ravine]

i dont have enough dps to kill the unknockbackable ones

[strong schooner]

what am i even saying, i think i have to go to bed the stuff i been seeing here is bad for my health

[strong schooner]

im scared to ask you to record a run

[strong schooner]

to sleep i go...

[fiery cosmos]

okay yeah I'm trying the new gear and... there's just no burst in this team

well, not enough to kill all the purples

[mighty inlet]

I rlly like that endfield lets ppl experiment with teams

like I play Clash Royale and I love the deck building shi and doing some weird troll dekcs, Endfield gives me kinda same vibes

[fiery cosmos]

I tried it with fangyi once and it completely flopped bc she has no ult gen and the team couldn't get electrify up

[velvet ravine]

the 3rd wave, has like one unknockbackable one infront, then two behind it. i focus fire on the first one, it DOSENT die and explodes. the 2 behind it are like, 90% health

[sterile shard]

so in a Fangyi-Perlica-Arclight Team you use Antal for more DMG and Alesh for better SP economy right?

[fiery cosmos]

tbh I'm having the same issue, nuking out the purples takes a bunch of commitment (and SP) and generally when it throws a bunch of purples at you, the resources simply do not exist to nuke them properly

especially on the last wave where there's six purples

[strange saffron]

for the fangyi team is there anything else i should bother maxing, i feel like this is probably most of the important skills since everybody other than fangyi does pretty low damage

[sonic imp]

yeah, the last wave is the hardest part of it

[wet moat]

u play monopysical?

[sonic imp]

kinda need to have ult ready

[fiery cosmos]

Phys is the only team I have to lv90, everyone else is just lv80

the issue is I need the ults to kill the previous waves

[velvet ravine]

yeaah.. i keep dying in the 3rd wave.. not even the last wave, the one before it.. even with building up like 8 swords my fangyi cant kill it

[wet moat]

1-2 vuln endmin enough to kill purple slime

[fiery cosmos]

not mine lmao

[wet moat]

[velvet ravine]

I dont understand how people say its braindead.. im using all my brain and i end up dead.

[fiery cosmos]

bs is m3 and it still needs crystals and only does about 2/3rds

[wet moat]

u can kill both purple slime if u lifeng ulti there

[fiery cosmos]

his ulti barely scratches them?

[wet moat]

maybe if its r9

[fiery cosmos]

well, the first hit doesn't do much and bc they're immune to CC they've walked out of range before the second hit

[wet moat]

endmin bs aoe shape like reverse triangle, u can kill 1 wave with 200sp

[languid forge]

BS Mastery doesn't improve crush damage lmao
You need Arts Intensity

[wet moat]

sm endmin enough to do it

maybe artif flint part

[languid forge]

BS does not need Crystals
Ulti does need crystals

Despite what it looks like, Endmin BS is true AoE while his Ult is technically AoE but it only does real damage against the crystal target

[wet moat]

chimeric lifeng for ulti spam

[fiery cosmos]

okay so

I swapped to full arts intensity

and now Endmin's doing almost no damage

the gear's all that's changed and now I have less output to the point where I'm struggling on the first waves

[languid forge]

show ur build

[fiery cosmos]

can't, no image perms

[languid forge]

dm me

[wet moat]

its probably gv essence then

[fiery cosmos]

sent

probably absolute longear droppings, but

we work with what we have

turns out focusing width on the roster was a massive whoopsie

(pushed everyone to lv80 s9 barring alesh and I think I'm short on a couple of wulfgard's skills)

turns out, that's still too low for the content that actually needs multiple teams

and this is only one of four agonies I still need to clear

(point defense, quillbeasts, last um's flamers and last um's rocketman)

[ionic cloak]

what is Xaihi BiS as of now?

[cold cargo]

bis what

[ionic cloak]

Gear

[cold cargo]

intmaxx gear if there is another xira slave in team,
xira 3p otherwise

[junior zealot]

Any tips on blood debase? Beside dev being chimps

[cold cargo]

xira 3p can be situationally better even if there is another xira slave in team if you need the uge

[fiery cosmos]

honestly for blood debased, I think the intended solution is to just build up on the early parts and then drop all your nukes on the last half

[wet moat]

blood debase?

[fiery cosmos]

Quillbeasts.

[wet moat]

oh frogs

[fiery cosmos]

Blood Debased is the official stage name

[wet moat]

stagger kill done

[junior zealot]

Guess I'll give it a shot kind of annoying a new frog spawns every 2seconds

[wet moat]

use ur aoe to cancel atk bunshin frogs

[fiery cosmos]

yeah iirc it spawns more frogs the lower health it gets

[wet moat]

u only need to kill red frogs

[fiery cosmos]

...and trying to cancel them with AoE fails miserably half the time but hey ho

granted my only AoE is uh... lifeng bs

[junior zealot]

Tried 4teams so far

[fiery cosmos]

but that has a tendency to just not hit anything

[wet moat]

yeah i know, lifeng bs animation get cancel by frogs

[ionic cloak]

I just kited em around waiting for my SP to regen and pop my skills back again

[fiery cosmos]

even if it looks like it connects, it just decides that didn't count

[junior zealot]

This event seems to be team rotation test ngl

[wet moat]

any team works on frogs anyway

how to wasd

[junior zealot]

Frog one is just plan demonic tho ngl

Ior scotch just got me azz

Electric or cryo best for blood debased?

[wet moat]

either work

[slate mango]

"best" is just gonna be elec because fangyi op

but dodging is best

[ionic cloak]

I just kept dodging and spamming tangtang aoe

[junior zealot]

Hmm fangyi yes if ult but w all the dodge stam drained before it's abled to

Tho I guess I could put a healer in w her

[junior zealot]

Yaa came closes w cryo team ngl

Rossi team just got swarmed n trapped till stam was gone 🤣

Poor rosei

[warm mica]

When should I build a second team? Do we have news on a endgame coming soon needing it? Or do I just 80 everyone else on my Fangyi team now?

[slate mango]

why not both

[junior zealot]

I have 4 teams all 90

[slate mango]

imma shill my 2 braincell team

tangtang chen rossi endmin

[wet moat]

theres no endgame on endfield

2nd team is up to u to make

[junior zealot]

Tangtang and Rossi does have good the synergy not going to lie

[warm mica]

Do we have news on any mode coming potentially soon?

[slate mango]

i did all stages with that team

nothing in the game so far warrants that much optimization

[junior zealot]

Blood debase only thing I've struggled on so far the frog spawn rate is outrageous

[slate mango]

i think the slime defense stage got closest to "either have this much dps or die"

[junior zealot]

Tho drinking could have a contribution to the struggle

Naaa slime was easy

[slate mango]

idk if this is my luck but red frog uses rolling attack more frequently than green ones

lure all frogs to one corner and then run away to other corner

red usually rolls behind you giving you like 5 secs to deal with him alone

[junior zealot]

Tried that w Rossi team and she got trapped 😭

Poor rossi

[wet moat]

only cc n still 0 idea bout the risk tag

[junior zealot]

Fangyi would be able to pull it off tho due to teleport

Ight I'ma go give it another go thx for input hf yall

[fiery cosmos]

I'm trying the quillbeast one atm and

I feel like it might be doable if I stack max uge on lifeng

or at least, more uge

his ult is pretty good at keeping the frogs trimmed

[junior zealot]

Majora mask great pfp

[slate mango]

phys lovers dont sleep on dapan

his ult also 2 stacks of vuln

[fiery cosmos]

the issue is idk where to slot him

Lifeng is the most easily dropped

[slate mango]

alternating dapan-lifeng ult lowers uge requirement for both lifeng and himself

[fiery cosmos]

but he's also your only real cc

[slate mango]

instead of endmin duh

[fiery cosmos]

you need chen bc otherwise you have no vuln, you need endmin to have any kind of burst, and you need pog otherwise you never get skills off

[slate mango]

dapan replaces endmin as crusher

[fiery cosmos]

lifeng is miles away the most replaceable

[wet moat]

dapan issue is u need 4 crush

isnt flexible enough

[slate mango]

ive used dapan phys team until tangtang release

[wet moat]

also my exemplar still raw

[slate mango]

problem isnt even 4 crush

problem is his combo skill cd

but his ult lowers it by like 3 sec

[wet moat]

hmm qinbao dapan kek

u don't need alot dps on current umbral but u want faster engine

[slate mango]

with good execution you can pull off 2 crushes within 1 breach window

[wet moat]

yes but its overkill for current umbral

[slate mango]

lifeng skill chen combo lifeng ult pog skill

lifeng skill chen combo dapan ult dapan combo

lifeng skill chen combo dapan skill (does 2 stacks of vuln at p5, use another skill otherwise) dapan combo again

big damage

there dont seem to be any dapan vs endmin comparison vids since like 3 months ago

[fiery cosmos]

tbh maybe I just need to slot a medic instead

[slate mango]

the only one i found has dapan using a 5 star weapon

[fiery cosmos]

or just git gud and skip pog in favour of perfect dodging for sp

not like you're short on opportunities

[merry blaze]

dredging up a month-old discussion topic, but I did manage to do this on howling flame: agony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XHgCm3YmmA

[fiery cosmos]

also does buff food carry into UM or no

feel like it's probably a no, but worth asking

[cold cargo]

ofc it was lee that asked

[light cosmos]

Lifeng is irreplaceable

[fiery cosmos]

...really?

he always seems the second-weakest link of the team

(the weakest link being the moron on the controls)

[light cosmos]

I don’t have the terms but he has his combo skill which boosts the next skill and if you start with his bs he gives a debuff on the enemy

[slate mango]

his phys vulnerability is great, his ult does decent damage too when enhanced by his combo skill's link

[fiery cosmos]

his phys vuln is like, 9%?

[acoustic edge]

No

[fiery cosmos]

aka negligible

oh right that's the susc. Still negligible

[acoustic edge]

M3 bs is 12 percent and +5 from p1

17 phys susc isn't amazing but

Still pretty good

[fiery cosmos]

eh

[acoustic edge]

He also does link

[fiery cosmos]

and Link is as awkward as it is useful

mostly bc he really needs it to lead into his ult

[light cosmos]

This is my rot

Lifeng is the lifeblood of the team

[wet moat]

lifeng basically qol on monopysical

its just, his animation so long, even fatso side step him

[fiery cosmos]

he feels like you either work wholly around him, or you'll be dropping him for a medic or whoever comes up for next BiS support

though tbh now I look at my roster... I think he's saved by the sole grace that other than a medic, there really isn't anything worth slotting over him

[wet moat]

u don't

[fiery cosmos]

phys doesn't really have any support options

[slate mango]

ive never used any healer since the poison gas umbral lol

[fiery cosmos]

I used to, then I swapped to full DPS and so far it's been... functional for some?

[wet moat]

u can always just make ulti bot lifeng

[fiery cosmos]

there's like, 4 UM agony stages I can't beat

but it solved the rest fairly easily

[wet moat]

223.9 uge lifeng right now

basically p4 simulator

[fiery cosmos]

mine is, uh

82%

[slate mango]

maybe i should attempt the new umbral with my dapan phys team

[fiery cosmos]

maybe

tbh I still need to trim the last one

the double flamers is a nightmare

[wet moat]

arsonist? chen bruh

[fiery cosmos]

yeah I tried that, the issue is she can only hit one

...and often kills herself

[wet moat]

she doesn't

or rather, did u forgot to slap gear on her

[fiery cosmos]

she really does, it's like the AI doesn't recognise the snails as existing

bc they don't dodge them at all

[light cosmos]

I have not tried creating rots with dapan so I don’t know how good he is, but imo lifeng is better

[fiery cosmos]

they just get hit by every single one that's near them

[slate mango]

i feel like i havent had party members getting hit on their own since the last couple of patches

[light cosmos]

And his ult is a double vuln stack

[slate mango]

did they improve ai or smtn

[fiery cosmos]

idk

I tried the flamer one today and watched lifeng march directly into the flamethrower

so I don't think so

[slate mango]

i also always use lifeng, dapan is to replace endmin not him

[light cosmos]

Nah cuz my whole team dies from the waves on the ruanyi

[wet moat]

u shouldn't

[light cosmos]

Anyways here’s a theory rot

3mil in 34 seconds

[wet moat]

44

tho im sure u will short on sp

[fiery cosmos]

frack it, calling it a night there. I'll see if I can get anywhere tomorrow

[light cosmos]

Nah that’s what pogs 4

[slate mango]

nah, my dapan pog and lifeng and their weapons at lv80 couldnt match up to current team

dont got the resources rn to get them up to snuff

this is pretty much the rotation tho https://youtu.be/dsV7h58FmHc?si=-Q4y7Kh29cLVbCNp&t=161

i feel like with exemplar it would outperform endmin

stacking 4 vuln is easy, dapan combo CD is the main bottleneck

however phys teams do seem to suffer in umbral compared to protocol spaces / re-crisis, because theyre so ult reliant

and umbral starts you with no ult energy

[tardy moon]

da pan sucks if there's a ton of small enemies

for the average player they'll perform pretty close, for speedruns it's almost always da pan that wins

[slate mango]

almost seems like ppl completely dropped looking into phys strats after 1.1 lol

[tardy moon]

there's still speedkills

but the team has been the same since 1.0 lol

so there's nothing to optimize outside of speedkills except updating gear/weapons recs

[noble sphinx]

What weapon was Perlica to wield in an electric team?

[slate mango]

wild wanderer

[wet moat]

which electric team

[tiny cradle]

I could do in 32 sec with endmin

[noble sphinx]

Avywenna/Arclight/Fangyi/Perli

[wet moat]

oh, ww ye

[fiery valley]

What gear sets are good on zhuang fangyi? I currently have xiranflow 3 piece set and lynx slab.

[slate mango]

thats it

[fiery valley]

Aight I’ll trust you, just her ultimate just takes forever to proc.

[fiery cosmos]

avy/fangyi actually works as a team?

thought it'd be wayyyy too short on SP for that to function

especially given how avy is wholly reliant on her skills to actually, well, do anything

[slate mango]

oh i dont have an avy, idk about that or how it plays into her ult regen

[fiery valley]

My team consists of arclight fangyi and perlica with ardelia as support

[fiery cosmos]

avy's entire thing is that her combo skill and ult are just there to ramp her battle skill damage

like they do some output on their own, but the battle skill is wholly reliant on having the thunderspears out and that requires cs and ult

[light cosmos]

Friking fangyi rots are so specific

[fiery cosmos]

if she's not popping her battle skill after... well, basically every cs, she's not really doing any damage

[light cosmos]

Like there’s only one way to play her and that annoys me

[fiery cosmos]

generally most teams don't run avy and fangyi bc fangyi kinda just does the same as avy but better

and also for like, 90% of content, fangyi is enough

so you might as well just go all in on making fangyi go to the moon

[light cosmos]

Every team is enough for 90% of the content

[fiery cosmos]

yeah I meant more "fangyi alone is enough for 90% of the content"

[fiery valley]

I’ve switched over to elec team after maining physical for most of 1.1 & 1.2 and man is it so weird to adjust to a different set of operators

[fiery cosmos]

tbh I ran elec and cryo for a bit but

idk, you definitely notice the jump

phys flows really well, elec doesn't

and cryo is... Fun, but noticeably less good.

and then there's heat

I don't actually know if anyone really runs heat teams

[lethal tapir]

I do, fight me

[fiery valley]

Physical just is fluid and simple, elec is just a mess to watch, combo skills everywhere with little downtime and it’s hard to actually fully stack vulnerability

In elec

[light cosmos]

That’s just not true

[cold cargo]

bluejay summoned to question marked that fucking claim

[fiery cosmos]

idk, cryo seemed very lacklustre on the output front compared to a same-level elec run

[light cosmos]

Not with Gil that shits easy

[fiery cosmos]

and that was pre-fangyi

[cold cargo]

nice vid btw bluejay

[bronze cargo]

i will not stand for cryo slander

[bronze cargo]

ty!

[fiery valley]

Don’t have her 😭. Regret not pulling her, stuck with ardelia for now

[fiery cosmos]

(ftr my cryo is, uh... soupreme chief, xaihi, last rite and fluorite)

[cold cargo]

[light cosmos]

Use ake

[cold cargo]

runs fluorite
cryo bad

[fiery cosmos]

fluorite just makes the team actually work

otherwise there's not enough cryo inflict

[light cosmos]

Oh god

No Broh

[cold cargo]

i want in on the high

[light cosmos]

Same wtf bro on

[tardy moon]

amazing

[lethal tapir]

Believe it or not, shoving Flourite in here is why you have this opinion of cryo teams

[fiery valley]

That’s some cope right there dawg

[fiery cosmos]

I mean, what's the alternative

[bronze raven]

Cryo slander

[fiery cosmos]

Estella?

[cold cargo]

perlica
gilberta
even ardelia would be better

[lethal tapir]

Perlica…

[bronze raven]

It works tho thats why its nice

[cold cargo]

why the fuck would you need a 4th cryo inflictor

[fiery cosmos]

None of those are helping with the cryo infliction

[cold cargo]

bro is still blabbering about cryo infliction

[lethal tapir]

[fiery cosmos]

Because the cryo inflict from the rest of the team is really slow

[cold cargo]

twin you have tangtang in your team

[lethal tapir]

Bro

[cold cargo]

literally press her ult + button

[fiery cosmos]

if she gets her ult in the first half of the battle, sure

[bronze raven]

Bro wants cryo inflictions every 0.10 sec

[fiery cosmos]

No, I'm just used to running fluorite so it's popping last rite after the xaihi cs

[cold cargo]

okay then run your fucking useless character that does a single thing once per 40s, but dont complain that cryo is bad bcs you dont understand it

[lethal tapir]

Gotta love when people come here making broad claims about how a specific team or unit is bad simply because they don’t understand how to play them properly

[fiery cosmos]

tbh they all felt a bit useless, I still don't get tangtang's rotations

It's not like I didn't try some other stuff there

but fluorite got last rite firing quickly and the others didn't

[lethal tapir]

Bruh my TangTang does 1.2m dmg as a mdps, the problem is you, not the cryo units.

[fiery cosmos]

...I don't think I've found a team that gilberta actually works with

[bronze raven]

Fr

Am I reading skill issue

[lethal tapir]

Literally all of them

[cold cargo]

[bronze raven]

[cold cargo]

ok this guy is ragebaiting

[bronze raven]

Yeah wrap it up lets go guys not worth

[fiery cosmos]

Not really, I've just genuinely never found a use for her outside of clumping mobs

[tardy moon]

[fiery cosmos]

her ult takes too long

[lethal tapir]

lol “I haven’t found a team Gil’s worked with” meanwhile everyone else in this channel “WTF why is Gil being used in every single team”

[tardy moon]

?????

[cold cargo]

i can understand them sucking at cryo but saying that about gil is just ragebait

[slate mango]

like every arts dmg team speedrun uses gilberta

[fiery cosmos]

and afaik her ult giving the arts susc appears to be most of why anyone recommends her

[cold cargo]

it is almost like arts susc is a good thing

[lethal tapir]

You know I’d think so but there are people who genuinely get hung up on the 5 second timer of her ult and neglect to see that with a 20s cooldown that’s 25% buff uptime.

[fiery cosmos]

it is but it doesn't help when it's tied to an ult that takes ages to charge

[slate mango]

if you do most of ur dmg in a 5 sec window, which most teams do, cast gilberta ult, go crazy

just works

[cold cargo]

youre bad, not gil, stop complaining

[lethal tapir]

That’s where Gil’s sig comes in I guess.

Cuz I can get Gil’s ult back before her cooldown is up

[cold cargo]

if her ult "takes ages to charge" you just didnt put uge on her

[fiery cosmos]

I mean I know I'm bad, I figured that was a given by the fact I haven't trimmed all the UMs yet

[lethal tapir]

Then don’t make broad claims about how a unit is good or bad when you admittedly suck

[fiery cosmos]

apparently developing wide was a bad move

also half the time it's more helpful for people to explain why you're wrong than to just be stuck on your opinions.

[lethal tapir]

People wouldn’t be this defensive if you didn’t claim specific characters weren’t good and instead framed it like “how do I use this character then?”

[cold cargo]

when you are confidently wrong it is not worth to explain why you are wrong

[lethal tapir]

It’s about how you word things

[cold cargo]

if you know you dont understand something you dont say "character / team is bad", you ask

[fiery cosmos]

Normally when I ask that kind of stuff, it usually either gets ignored or just told "git gud", eventually you get into the habit of having to forcibly generate the discussion

[lethal tapir]

Ask what kinda stuff? You didn’t ask anything.. you made a broad claim saying cryo wasn’t good.

[fiery cosmos]

this is learnt behaviour from years of stuff, I only joined the server like, a couple weeks ago

[cold cargo]

doesnt justify how you make objectively wrong claims

[fiery cosmos]

I am very used to internet corners being a lot more dismissive and aggressive than here.

[lethal tapir]

Alright well we’re not asking for a psych eval, those belong over on #help

[cold cargo]

if i work as a server and spit in every plate, i cant justify it by saying thats learned behavior

[lethal tapir]

Just don’t claim units are bad when you don’t understand, it’s really simple

[fringe garnet]

hey does someone know what happened to lanas building sheets?

[fiery cosmos]

tbh I thought I did understand, which is why I said it

[cold cargo]

discontinued

[slate mango]

u can salvage the situation by becoming fluorite dps main like that one youtube guy

[charred patio]

Oh this is active

[lethal tapir]

They quit and the doc became outdated. You can still find it pinned to #help but be warned, it hasn’t been updated since early 1.1

[slate mango]

team needs gilberta too, 2 birds 1 stone

[fiery cosmos]

sometimes you need to be told you're wrong because your experience points you to bad conclusions

[fringe garnet]

alright tyyy

[bronze raven]

Yeah sadly

[inland blaze]

guys i need help with my team

[exotic iron]

What is it??

[grand arrow]

frontier or aethertech plating for lr?

[exotic iron]

None of the above

[sacred mica]

Woah i woke up to a mention of fluorite

[pearl surge]

simp

[exotic iron]

I suggest the tide surge gear

[sacred mica]

Wym, fluo suck

[grand arrow]

yes i am using that , was asking for the armor piece specifically

[alpine depot]

There's ~5 valid armor pieces for lr

Each is best at different things

The most general is yinglung

[sacred mica]

Eitherone of yinlung vs frontier vs swordmancer is good

Depending on usage

[exotic iron]

Which one?

[sacred mica]

Will str all skll%

[alpine depot]

Type 50 yinglung light armor

[exotic iron]

It does seem good

[sacred mica]

It's the most consistent cos it buff all skill

[alpine depot]

Also the best for long fights

[sacred mica]

Frontier is better if u run xaihi intmax and ur lr is p3 technically am p sure

[alpine depot]

It's most general because it does not rely on rotations to be effective

[sacred mica]

I mean, if u wanna say best for long fight, it's sm

[alpine depot]

Xaihi intmax is a pretty niche use case if you have tt these days

[sacred mica]

Yeh, i was just throwing option

U'd run that if u put gil in 4th slot anw

[alpine depot]

All the armor choices have uses though

So rip artificing catalysts if you want em all

[sacred mica]

Well yeah

Anw idk, for newb i personally prefer to recommend sm uge tbh

It's abit less dmg but it's way more comfy for sth like umbral n stuff

[alpine depot]

I would rec yinglung over sm, the uge is rot dependant and really wants tt

[sacred mica]

Oh ye, i was talking strictly in lr tt

And no the uge isn't rly rot dependent bruh

I mean it's flexibility, u can always hold ult or properly time ur bs to get ult at the right timing

Eitherway it's better than yl cos sumtimes u don't get ult when everything else is up if u don't know what u r doing

[alpine depot]

You can do that anyway, but doing so decreases or negates the benefit of uge

Welp, I'm finally out of good essence farms

The last 9 essences are going to be pure pain

[sacred mica]

Yeah except sm armor has better statmatch too so the loss is actually not exactly that big per say

Lr is alr bloated on dmg bonus% anw

[junior hearth]

For my Fangyi supports is it important to Level up their weapon essences?

[sacred mica]

Not rly

Just get 3 on their respective 3rd stat

[silent schooner]

which ones to mastery other than fangyi in the team?

[red gale]

💀 7k atttack, HOW

[silent schooner]

uh idk

[red gale]

i imagine all your gear is artificed to max or something, right

[silent schooner]

ah yea i maxed everything

[red gale]

yeah it make sense, thanks tho, i pretty much started building her and im at 5400 attack

[silent schooner]

anyone knows who else wants masteries

[tulip pond]

Arclight combo skill M1 for extra sp regen, can m3 perlica ult and cs if you want to min max, can also m3 antal bs and ult for extra % if you want to min max

I only did arclight combo m1, the rest is kind of useful but I cleared everything without it just fine. Didn’t even need to do arclight combo tbh. Game is pretty easy

[lethal tapir]

You can also get Arclights ult to m1 for 6 stagger which is situationally useful for stuff like Rho phase skips, but overall unimportant.

[winged mesa]

i dont rly recommend getting perlica to cs m3 if she is already on qingbo

[sacred mica]

Why not? It's -1 cs cd at base eitherway

[worthy estuary]

Desync issue?

[sacred mica]

How so? U can always hold perlica's cs anw

[winged mesa]

zhuang cs m3 is 17s
perli qimgbo is 20*.85=17s

its unnecessary investment

[worthy estuary]

If you get perli cs and accidentally trigger n5 before zfy charges hers

[sacred mica]

Eh... I guess it is unnecessary

Lmao

[sacred mica]

1s isn't that much to desync it by that much xD

[solid pond]

my yvonne has peaked at 860 intellect

[junior pier]

my aim for high intellect when you can be low like tang2 85 intellect

[vast zinc]

Can I use tangtang in a zhuang team?

[exotic iron]

any gear suggestion for my boy wulfgard?

[worthy estuary]

Which team?

[worthy estuary]

You can but why

Just dont accidentally solidify

[vast zinc]

I have her at P1 and I dont want that to be wasted as I benched Yvonne....

[worthy estuary]

Make a tang tang team

Or yvonne team as secondary

[vast zinc]

Yvonne will be 2nd to Zhuang anw and by mile at that right? Since Yvonne is a single target nuke

[worthy estuary]

Sure, but zhuang struggles to do that

Single target nuke. And so she doesnt speedrun that well

[supple pollen]

yvonne has better performance in some content

just how endfield is

[worthy estuary]

Plus challenges like umbral wants diverse options to take advantage of stage mechanics

[vast zinc]

Oh so I wont be benching anyone because I still need more than 1 team? When I had Yvonne, I did not even touch Laev anymore so I thought, newer team will bench older one. I guess it is still the same as any other gachas. Glad to hear that

[serene walrus]

Can antal buff rossie?

[winged mesa]

yes

[junior pier]

i meant you can, but probably has to break those solidify first

[winged mesa]

no not rly, i have played every single content with just laev teams

[junior pier]

or after eat elec

[sacred mica]

Same but lr

[supple pollen]

you can use as many or as little teams as you want

[worthy estuary]

Lae kinda struggled with the duo bulls stage. Cant just no brain it. Though now we have rossi

[supple pollen]

there's nothing forcing you to use multiple teams right now, but there's also benefits to doing so

[serene walrus]

Is the buff worth it to use him in my team??

[winged mesa]

there is still a chance you might need them and whatnot, but the game currently doesnt demand anything for you to be running multiple teams yet

[supple pollen]

i go out of my way to test what I can on new umbrals and ive yet to find anything unplayable, some can definitely feel rough though

[winged mesa]

its all just dodge and hit what can i say ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sacred mica]

Tt solves

[vast zinc]

I'm worried with the "yet"

[winged mesa]

sorta, up to you if you want to use him or not

[winged mesa]

because we arent fortune tellers that know the future.

[worthy estuary]

Killing the bulls together is pain.

Meanwhile my unbuilt avy managed to just meme the stage with sheer nuke alone

[sacred mica]

I mean, if u r vertical on only 1 team, u should be good enuf regardless.

If u play only 1 team and u play like sumone who play multiple team, u prolly just suck at the game.

[junior pier]

Mifu sp regen+elec trust

[winged mesa]

it feels rough but it definitely doesnt require you to NEED another team

[worthy estuary]

Mifu is physical

[junior pier]

[worthy estuary]

Its nice to have multiple teams so i dont have to mald challenges like that

[winged mesa]

some teams will perform better than other teams this isnt a shocker

[serene walrus]

who would i replace my team rn is rossie, pog, gil and wolfgard

[junior pier]

who? physical

[winged mesa]

pog
just a suggestion you might wanna change wulf for perlica just to have an easier access to gil cs

[worthy estuary]

Avy team is better than lae team is a stupid sentence, but its a fact there

[winged mesa]

content dependant

[exotic iron]

laev

[worthy estuary]

Redeemer chest
Lynx glove
Redeemer seal x 2

All uge

I havent checked if qingbo wulf is a meme or not

[sacred mica]

Hm?

[worthy estuary]

I think it would be functional

[sacred mica]

That kinda sounds fire lol

[winged mesa]

missing out on 30% uge is big

[worthy estuary]

Obj gun has extra 30% that i havent unlocked

So may need max gun but thats theorycrafting

[winged mesa]

are you not on 232%

[worthy estuary]

Already am

[winged mesa]

oh right youre with gil

yeah that wont require as much in obj gun

[junior pier]

i need 2nd thermite

[glass ruin]

rena rena rena gawd i saw something that was like WHY so this person realised hm i should get uge on laev and they did new hw chest gloves kit + 1 uge XIRANITE KIT

[winged mesa]

well i mewn, they sure can do that

just not the optimally needed amount of uge

[exotic iron]

why full on int?

[glass ruin]

like they were trying to challenge themselves but were not doing the optimal things if ur trying to challenge urself within limited means

[worthy estuary]

No. Wulf in lae team is a heat bot

His P5 allows him to reset his combo cooldown by using ult

[worthy estuary]

And that unlocks the wulf tech, using his own combo to trigger his combo

[oak willow]

What weapon can I temporarily use for Fang Yi?

I need one more issue to get her weapon

[winged mesa]

in all fairness, i dont rly give a shit about how other plays, its their game lol

[oak willow]

Will Monaihe be good for Fang Yi?

[winged mesa]

its an ok option to use rn yes

[worthy estuary]

3rd bis

Losing quite a bit against sig and bp

[exotic iron]

what if i wanna make wulf sub dps, then what is you'ur suggestion?

[worthy estuary]

Hot works wulf but i dont recommend in general

[oak willow]

Omg it takes like 5 minutes to send image

And it's only 2 mb

[worthy estuary]

His atk and skill scaling is pretty low

[oak willow]

w internet fr

[plucky marsh]

No

[exotic iron]

isee, okay

[wild solar]

You're kind of asking us if we recommend you to eat shit...

[oak willow]

What's that?

[worthy estuary]

Bis = best in store

[oak willow]

My collection btw

[wild solar]

Your collection sucks. Also just pot your shit.

[worthy estuary]

Has p2 chivalric
Uses whatever that is on xaihi

[merry token]

Healing on xaihi

[oak willow]

I got three of them just yesterday

[exotic iron]

welp u on u i guess, after all its just suggestion not tha i must do, i never ask for that

[plucky marsh]

Just so you know, Zhuang without sig sucks, A LOT

[worthy estuary]

Usable with bp

[plucky marsh]

P5 bp weap is 16% weaker than P0 sig, and P0 bp weap is like 20-30% weaker

[oak willow]

What is sig?

[glass ruin]

u can kind of do wulf main dps it clears content like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh46YHpHv-8

its not totally unusable

[merry token]

I would rather not smash my head into a brick wall

[glass ruin]

yeah but theyre asking like can I do this which the answer is yes, not no

[plucky marsh]

Nes

[merry token]

You can do things, but why do you hate yourself

[glass ruin]

whats the point of team building if the only answer is the most meta one

[supple pollen]

near enough if not every team can clear
the investment and effort required just varies dramatically

[exotic iron]

might as well, cus im bored as fu

[worthy estuary]

Just play solo catcher

[merry token]

There's having some goofy comp, and then there's being miserable

[exotic iron]

already did that

[oak willow]

What is sig?

[glass ruin]

i mean its less miserable than xaihi main dps im sure but ppl who want to xaihi main dps will still enjoy it if they find a way to do so

[plucky marsh]

There isnt even a meta in this game! Like what? It’s not about getting big damage, it’s about having fun and doing that is no fun

[worthy estuary]

Solo ember?

[merry token]

I had some great fun with the hybrid Rossi comp with endmin, and akekuri

[uneven oar]

mentally ill

[plucky marsh]

Her signature weap that you pull for

[summer horizon]

Yall, what is a good Zhuang build?

[exotic iron]

hasn't got her

[oak willow]

Is that an acronym of something?

[glass ruin]

more dmg than flourite

[uneven oar]

see pinned

[uneven oar]

[plucky marsh]

I LOVE HOW EVERYONE IN THIS CHANNEL IS BASHING ON WULF LIKE THEIR LIFE DEPENDS ON IT

[merry token]

Signature weapon

[oak willow]

Oh

[plucky marsh]

And I’m on the very same boat

[summer horizon]

bet ty

[worthy estuary]

I wonder. Is it possible to run zfy solely with arclight ult

[oak willow]

So, temporarily, I can use Monaihe until I got her sig right?

[wild solar]

Didn't...people already said yes...?

[glass ruin]

like i will never get
person asks: hey whats the best way to use X
the answer: X is shit use Y instead

[plucky marsh]

Yes, since Zhuang sig lasts for like 1 decades, you should be good

[winged mesa]

what the fuck is this conversation lmao

[wraith dagger]

can they fucking turn collision off omg

[oak willow]

👍

[merry token]

My response is, why do you want to use x when y is objectively better

[worthy estuary]

Game too easy, just use anything you want

[wraith dagger]

i would rather get shot in the head than be boxed in by fucking frogs

[glass ruin]

because they like x more than y...? omg liking chars in a gacha game

[wild solar]

Just uh, turn noclip on.

[merry token]

Then play wulf if you like him

[steady viper]

they don't have the capacity to actually think about how to make the thing in question work so they just parrot what they heard some streamer tell them

[worthy estuary]

https://vxtwitter.com/Sciel12/status/2052750582935589299?t=4PB4IKM-ihcIF7C_Au1MKQ&s=19 was recently shared to me

Sciel (@Sciel12)

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[merry token]

I literally main ember

[winged mesa]

thats what theyre trying to do 😭

[glass ruin]

exactly but your first response to them was "dont do it its shit"

[winged mesa]

dudes first question was literally" how make dude as subdps"

[merry token]

Isn't wulf already okay as a subdps in laevatain with p5

[worthy estuary]

Give him hot works. Moving on

[winged mesa]

wulf p5 requires uge stuff to be doing heat stacks

[worthy estuary]

No. He got turned into a heat bot with ugemaxxing

[merry token]

Gg

[plucky marsh]

No and no
X is worse, use Y because Y is better but you can use X too —> Laev and Zhuang because both are good and fun
Your perspective is specifically specifying to use X while X is horrible and frustrating while Y is much much better

[worthy estuary]

His final atk is 1400 with sl1 on everything

[winged mesa]

if you want to play wulf as subdps then you would either play him as

1. BS bot
2. combustion bot

[worthy estuary]

Oh and his weapon can be e1 lvl 20 if you want to

His level is e3l60

So... yeah

[winged mesa]

some options for these builds here and there obviously

[merry token]

I have not used wulfgard ever

I don't have laevatain

[worthy estuary]

Wulf is only gud for lae and rossi. Cant blame you

[plucky marsh]

I like Wulf as heat and combustion bot because he does his spinning every 10sec that does 100 damage but looks fun on the screen and fun for my Laeva

[glass ruin]

wulf sub dps is not horrible and frustrating when u have things like arde main dps, antal main dps what??? like sure wulf is not gonna be the top half dps but its not horrible what is this omega misinfo

[merry token]

Why would I use wulf over ake for Rossi?

[worthy estuary]

There are only 3 heat units in the game

[winged mesa]

wulf p5 allows him to reset cscd when ult is used

this way if we use ult before the cs lands we can get 20 energy after both cs hits

and thats why we aim for 232/241 uge so you can get ult back within 2c2s

[worthy estuary]

20 energy

[merry token]

I think Ake is way more fun because infinity sp gen Vs mobs

Like I genuinely had too much sp on agony 1

[worthy estuary]

Intmaxxing ake for crowd control has to be a meme

[merry token]

?

[plucky marsh]

If there is a CC with 2-3 team then wulf is actually useful because I’m force to use him in either Rossi or Laeva team, unless the vampire guy is a better Wulf

[merry token]

You only need 500 int on Ake to max her sp regen from combo skill

[worthy estuary]

You normally barely have 150

[winged mesa]

um4-1 stage is stagger the stage, they have so little stagger

[merry token]

Are we uge spamming?

[worthy estuary]

Uh yeah...

[merry token]

Zzzzzz

[plucky marsh]

You actually only need 400 or something because it doesnt give that much more if you go for 500

[worthy estuary]

Ake ult link is her main usage

[merry token]

I just yoinked my xaihi pieces

[plucky marsh]

And since Thermite is Will, we are never getting that 500 anyway

[winged mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-monkey-think-monkey-meme-ponder-monkey-idea-gif-6401133862108294696

[merry token]

I only need Ake ult for Rossi, and I'm actually using Ake skill for heat Infliction

[winged mesa]

how is it giving less when each int gives you the same %

[worthy estuary]

Who uses skill doesnt matter

[merry token]

I need reaction for Gil combo

[winged mesa]

-# thats why you should run perlica btw just saying frfr

[merry token]

From cold start the only way to cause reaction is Gil skill into Ake skill or the reverse

[worthy estuary]

Perlica or wulf sitting there

[merry token]

No SP regen

[worthy estuary]

Im actually sad youre not using wulf here

[winged mesa]

wulf needs ult which takes a while to get

[merry token]

I want more sp

Ake just gives silly amounts if you can stagger

[graceful peak]

can estelle work on this team? by removiong maybe perlica

[plucky marsh]

Because 400 is minimum for her gear and build and 500 is maxing her artificing and it’s not worth it going for that 100, that’s all

[winged mesa]

at like 500int she gives.. 26.25sp

[merry token]

Estelle usually just wants a shatter team

[uneven oar]

hi where do i put this operator on my team

[winged mesa]

dijian gslave

[merry token]

Idk I just felt like I had infinity sp, I think endmin refund helps it

[winged mesa]

not how this stuff works but ok

[worthy estuary]

I mean... sure
Estelle isnt gonna bring much since she is mainly a shatter unit

[winged mesa]

it may not be worh to artifice yes but there are a few tons of other options you can run on her

[merry token]

Idk I just hit the 500 int on Ake with some frontiers gear

[worthy estuary]

If you have too much sp, might be a hint to start rotating faster

[wraith dagger]

impossible to even use avywenna in stage 5

[languid forge]

Estelle eats LR's stacks so no

[wraith dagger]

and i keep dying with my phys team

[winged mesa]

i mean running uge would net you more sp than 500int tbh

[graceful peak]

oh well, what team is she good with though?

[worthy estuary]

Hold my beer

[worthy estuary]

Endmin chen alesh estelle is her star comp

[exotic iron]

let him cook

[merry token]

Potentially, but I'm just using Gil skill into Ake skill for combustion then Rossi skills and passive gets buffed

And later on I can proc corrosion by Ake skilling faster to boost Rossi ult damage with Gil ult also

Then when I have full vuln stacks I can crush with endmin

Very easy to have full vuln stacks with Rossi + gil

[winged mesa]

combustion doesnt buff shit for rossi skill though

[graceful peak]

what is the team type? sttagger?

[winged mesa]

shatter

[merry token]

One of her passives gets a 1.5x multiplier Vs combustion

[plucky marsh]

Well because many frontier gears have the secondary stats buff, but I’m using xiranite gear with full UGE so I only have 400

[graceful peak]

oh ok tanks

[winged mesa]

thats for ult and thats only if you have clawmark and thats only 24% of atk that gets 1.5x which is 36% of atk

[merry token]

Which I now get to have probably

[winged mesa]

its not for rossi skill

and idk how you maintain combustion from 0 ult to full

that shit runs out after like 8s

*while also making corrosion

[merry token]

When Rossi's skill deals Critical DMG to a Razor Clawmarked enemy, trigger another hit that deals 12/24% ATK (Rossi's) of Heat DMG and restores [Intellect x 0.04/0.08] HP to Rossi. If the target is also Combusted, then the aforementioned DMG and HP Restoration effects are increased to 1.5 times.

[winged mesa]

oh it is skill

[plucky marsh]

It’s 12% not even 24%, which is 18% but it’s for all source of damage to target with clawmark

[winged mesa]

12% is passive lvl1..

[merry token]

Maybe I'm wrong here but it reads as whenever Rossi crits with a skill she gets +24% mutkipleir in terms of heat on each sequence of damage

[plucky marsh]

But it’s still kinda not that important because it’s like a 15% damage increase if all of your ult slashes crit and combustion lasts less than 10 sec so you are not getting lots of value outside of ult

[plucky marsh]

Oops hehe

[merry token]

And when you have combusted it's 36% instead of 24%

[winged mesa]

it just means it hits 1 more instance of damage that deals multiplier * 24% (*1.5 if combust) of atk

[merry token]

Yes, per hit you do

As in sequence not individual damage number

So this procs 2 times on skill since skill has 2 parts

Same for combo and ult

[winged mesa]

well if you crit both

and also 24% of atk is quite low

[plucky marsh]

Yes but only applies to skills so 3 hits for bs, 2 for cs and lots of hits for ult I think

[merry token]

Ult is only 3 hits, as least in the description

Or does every hit in ult proc this?

[winged mesa]

every hit procs

[merry token]

Okay that's kinda insane then

[plucky marsh]

Ult is like 8-10 hit, I remembered somebody saying that here, not 2

[merry token]

12% attack x however many hits Rossi does

[winged mesa]

not really as 24% or 36% of attack is quite low

you get more benefit from geetting electrification than combust

[merry token]

Yeah that's an extra 120% on the ult

[wraith dagger]

what’s a gear set for lifeng

i’m using valiant

[merry token]

Just from having combustion on them

[median mountain]

[plucky marsh]

And compared to other unit, which does like 600-800% of their attack per skill, it’s kinda not that spectacular right

[merry token]

Chen ult total multiplier is like 1057%

At max rank

[winged mesa]

this passive is not doing another % of mult

[merry token]

Having 10% of that multiplier just added for putting combustion on an enemy seems quite good

[winged mesa]

this passive is doing the same % of mult * 36% of attack

[merry token]

It's just a flat extra multiplier

Added to each hit

[winged mesa]

its not flat mult

[merry token]

Yes it multiplies your attack

[plucky marsh]

Yes, while things like Link from Ake gives 20% for your whole ult, and it’s a straight up damage increase too, which is much higher and better than wulf combust, also SP gen yes

[merry token]

Like every other damage skill in this game

I'm saying you add 36% to your 600%

For ult

Flat as in, it adds to the skill damage, not multiplies the skill damage

[winged mesa]

no im saying its doing
600% * 100%atk AND 600% * 36%atk

so if your attack is for example 1000, its now doing
600% * 1000 + 600% * 360

[merry token]

Huh, that's better than I thought

[winged mesa]

its better than you thought but now lets compare if we put electrification in to the formula

[merry token]

I mean yeah electrification is a just an arts damage multiplier

[winged mesa]

instead of doing, 600% * 1000 + 600% * 360
you'll be doing (600% * 1000 * 1.29) + (600% * 240 * 1.29)
29% electrification from perlica p4 + 209 AI

[merry token]

But then I have no sp

[winged mesa]

no sp to what

[merry token]

I'm using Gil skill here for grouping

And endmin/Rossi skills

To crush constantly

[winged mesa]

all this just for the usage to be for mobbing ok nvm

[merry token]

Yes lol

Umbral 1 was literally just mobbing and cc

Why would I use ake for bosses unless I was maximising the link boost for avy skill

No combo skills there lol

Unless marble

[mystic sky]

whos the best teamate for the final slot in my Zhuang team

[uneven oar]

📌

[granite shuttle]

What skill should I M3 for TT?

[winged mesa]

which is exactly why we run ake uge

ultimate gain efficiency

[winged mesa]

subdps? BS >> cs/ult >>> BA

[granite shuttle]

What do you mean by cs/ult? Either of them?

I'll just M3 bs then
Thanks!

[winged mesa]

theyre both in the same priority, mostly just premium gain

[solid pond]

for tang tang

[humble drift]

xiranite