900 to make 5? What are you talking about
#water is to hard to get. there are so many steps to get it.
exotic pecan
surreal halo
Have you added a tarp and bucket to your campfires? This will halve the time to make water at the beginning of the game.
fair tulip
yes, we have 8 campfires running non stop, we actually all got infected, and basically can't continue the game because food and water are so hard to maintain, that we don't find it fun. also, 3 infected water = 1 water, 7 people, you need 5 glasses of water to refill your water, that's a crap load of water needed...
fair tulip
yep.
surreal halo
In solo it's recommended to have 2 campfires distilling water 24/7 at the beginning of the game. So with 7... you might need more
fair tulip
i'm playing by myself right now, trying to dig us a base. I can't maintain food or water at this point, so I just die and loose skill levels just to get half water back.
i also hope you can't get double infected, because I thought once I was turned, I could drink infected water, turns out you just get double infected, lol.
exotic pecan
Double infected? 🤔
fair tulip
yeah, I've got the turned debuff, and I'm also infected again.
surreal halo
Alternatively, if one person is a Crawler, they start with the Distillery unlocked. If you can mine the copper, and smelt it in a forge and make 100 Copper Ingots, you can make a Distillery. It will produce 1 clean water every 3-4 minutes on its own.
fair tulip
at about 30% twards the next turned debuff.
we cant get to that point yet. we all lost all of our levels do to death spamming, not having a choice to not revive on horde night.
surreal halo
I can't remember if you need a workbench unlocked for that
fair tulip
it's a pretty brutal mod over all. It's really fun, but not if you get stuck in a deathloop.
exotic pecan
we cant get to that point yet. we all lost all of our levels do to death spammin...
Why does it matter if you revive on horde night?
exotic pecan
No you don't..
fair tulip
yes you do, i can provide screenshots if you like.
I lost the ability to cook baked potatos and make sledge hammers, and had to find new books to re-learn those skills.
if it's a bug, then that's something to look into.
exotic pecan
Ok, screenshots then
fair tulip
no problem let me do some death spams.
okay, this is where I am right now.
ill go die a few times.
just noticed I lost a most of the levels in my knife skill,
back down to 1 knives.
hard to track them all, but I know for a fact i was at 6 knives.
was wacking the target dummy for 2 hurs last night.
if it's a bug, then I'd love to to get fixed, lol.
exotic pecan
There is no code connecting death on bloodmoon to perk or action skill loss
fair tulip
then I have no idea whats going on.
surreal halo
Are you dying from infection reaching 100% or from loosing all your health?
exotic pecan
Yeah.. so I wonder what else is going on
young reef
8 campfires and 7 people is not enough you need 2 to 3 campfires per player, food and water is manageable if everyone pull their weight
fair tulip
once you are 100% infected, you revive with a 10% debuff to most actions,
fair tulip
had to restart the server, I'll look once its up.
i clicked on tailoring and crashed.
fair tulip
yea, i was unable to do any actions.
just move around is all i could do.
basically a crash, lol
gleaming falcon
Could this have something to do with the server config?
<property name="DeathPenalty" value="1" /> <!-- Penalty after dying. 0 = Nothing. 1 = Default: Classic XP Penalty. 2 = Injured: You keep most of your debuffs. Food and Water is set to 50% on respawn. 3 = Permanent Death: Your character is completely reset. You will respawn with a fresh start within the saved game. --> @fair tulip
surreal halo
Also if struggling for food and water, I recommend all members put points into Constitutional. If you are getting hit, healing will consume food. Points in constitutional will help alleviate that by providing additional healing without food.
fair tulip
huh, if you get re-infected after a server re-start, it takes away the turned de-buff.
thanks i guess?
i remember it was like, -10% looting, and I think crafting?
i'm at 44% again, so it won't be long.
we are playing on the default recommended settings.
exotic pecan
the turned debuff is cosmetic and only for sake of information
that is to say, the state of having the debuff does not confer any effects that exist so long as the buff is applied
fair tulip
I can go drink some infected water to speed up the de-buff
exotic pecan
👀 but why
surreal halo
So just to be clear, dying from infection WILL cause a **permanent ** 10% loss of all skills. You should try avoid that.
However dying from other causes will only give you a -25% Vitality penalty, as well as whatever penalty you set in your server settings, e.g. lose your inventory.
fair tulip
eh, its no biggy, I've only been playing for about 20 hurs in the mod so far, and almost all my stats haven't moved or have been lowered so much that it hardly matters anymore.
exotic pecan
you must be chugging infected water like crazy
surreal halo
You'd be better off dying from thirst than from infection
verbal chasm
lol damn 7 people? you're gonna need so many jars and campfires to keep that goign dude.........
fair tulip
any time I get to zero water, I just go let zombies kill me.
young reef
But if you get your campfire going that should not happen...
fair tulip
its just really hard to justify 3 water = 1 water. and needing to drink 5 water to get your thirst back up is brutal.
i don't mind, it's just going to take me around a week or so of play to get to the point where water isn't an issue.
verbal chasm
like the best plan is to split up, have search teams go into the town and try to find bars, poi with glass bottles on the ground and bring those back asap. when I plaeyd with a team of three, we had to get our asses out there asap to get water going
oh and more campfires
surreal halo
i don't mind, it's just going to take me around a week or so of play to get to t...
Yeah that's actually the goal of the mod. First week is all about basic survival, food and water. Everyone should have that as their main focus.
exotic pecan
with a big crew like you've got you would definitely want 1 person to go crawler, everyone should go loot and find a cooking pot, get your buckets and tarps, get some logs, and just get all those fires working
surreal halo
Try find liquor stores, they have tons of jars
young reef
and only 1 cook so that one can get the cooking books
exotic pecan
then go loot, ideally a place with lots of alcohol, empty them all out or drink them and put those jars to work in the queues
fair tulip
we have been.
exotic pecan
and stop drinkign infected water
young reef
and avoid dying
fair tulip
well i want the turned de-buff so i get rid of the infection debuff again,
surreal halo
Also farming does work, if you can find nitrate to make farm plots, that will help, have 1 person reading the seed books.
exotic pecan
WAT
I guess it's a bit academic to say but the turned debuff does not get rid of infection, dying of infection does that :p
fair tulip
yep
exotic pecan
After which, you will probably get infected again if you get into a fight
fair tulip
i didn't know that being turned didn't stop you from getting re-infected.
my thought was 'oh im turned, now i can drink infected water'
surreal halo
Oh I can see how you would think that haha
exotic pecan
my thought was 'oh im turned, now i can drink infected water'
youre not literally a zombie
surreal halo
Imagine that, and now you have to always eat rotten meat
fair tulip
that's what i was thinking.
i thought survival was about to get a hole lot easier.
turns out, it's not that deep, lol
exotic pecan
believe me if this mod was gonna turn you into a zombie it'd be suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper obvious
fair tulip
i honestly did think the mod had planned for people to be able to become sudo-zombies, lol
exotic pecan
i wouldnt halfass something like that
fair tulip
was thinking something life farcry instincts level of coolness.
where i get super strength, or something like that, but can't do complex crafting.
just waiting to die from the infection again, it's at 92%.
exotic pecan
tbh if I were to implement that I would probably implement some extremely restrictive system to keep you acting like an actual zombie
verbal chasm
man, you may want to avoid doing that lol. go at night and get those mushrooms
fair tulip
it's too late, the past 6 poi's had no meds. lol
verbal chasm
if you got the manaka honey, make the drink asap
yeah but you can go at night, collect a bunch of mushrooms and eat them. its 1% each one if you dont have manaka honey
fair tulip
i'm already at 0% vitality too, so it's not a big deal.
verbal chasm
losing your skills is not worth it dude
fair tulip
i'm already at like, 1 on most stuff, it's fine.
verbal chasm
young reef
maybe...start over with all the good tips
surreal halo
I feel like you and your friends might benefit from a restart of your world with your new knowledge
fair tulip
eh, if we can't recover, it is what it is and we aren't true gamers.
verbal chasm
yeah, i think that might be the way because ultimately, with a group of 7... you have to split up and get jars asap lol
fair tulip
yeah, water and good food is really hard to maintain...
surreal halo
I kinda like the idea of a challenge of trying to feed and water 7 people
young reef
I kinda like the idea of a challenge of trying to feed and water 7 people
tot doable
exotic pecan
I kinda like the idea of a challenge of trying to feed and water 7 people
it sounds like a party
fair tulip
how do i restore vitality faster than my decked out house?
young reef
it sounds like a party
forget about it, I don't have that many...friends
surreal halo
how do i restore vitality faster than my decked out house?
Get really drunk
young reef
how do i restore vitality faster than my decked out house?
go faq...
fair tulip
ugh. our group is pretty de-motivated with the early game difficulty, we might just be stopping for now, some of the players are having problems getting stuck in the floor on respawn, or stuff like that.
i just find it funny that all the problems we are having is because of food and water.
young reef
best would probably to start over with all the new tips and try to manage food and water first
fair tulip
nah, we will prolly just try to find another mod,
surreal halo
i just find it funny that all the problems we are having is because of food and ...
This is good feedback, the mod is living up to its goals 😄 hardcore survival
fair tulip
yep. so hard core can't even build up enough to just survive. lol
love it.
my friends, not so much.
I think it's great. :3
but you know how it is, you gotta tard rangle all the friends to play 1 game, lol.
surreal halo
It's a different mindset to vanilla entirely. I argue that vanilla is now a looter shooter, not a survival game. In this mod you really have to scrounge and scavenge everything. But if you can stick with it, it actually has a nice water progression. At first, its scarce, then its manageable, then you get a distillery and its basically forgotten.
fair tulip
only one person went crawler.
exotic pecan
1 is all u need
fair tulip
we are looking for copper rn.
verbal chasm
It's a different mindset to vanilla entirely. I argue that vanilla is now a loot...
i also like it how jars are... reusable. it drives me NUTS that a completely fine mason jar is 'consumed' in vanilla lol
but in afterlife, you can drink from a jar and it is still reusable
surreal halo
Yeah I think the only thing that consumes a jar is Molotov's
fair tulip
where does copper spawn? im stuck digging rn, but i can have my friend go looking for it.
exotic pecan
forest
surreal halo
In the forest biome. Big copper coloured rock will be on top of a node.
fair tulip
behold 3 hurs of work.
fair tulip
I ain't no quitter, it takes as long as it takes.
my only complaint is i wish i could hurry up and die to infection already, lol.
exotic pecan
stop doin that >_<
fair tulip
uhhh, my shovel now has infinite durability?
yeah, it's not breaking anymore and i can dig as much as i want.
thanks for the infinite shovel.
lol
exotic pecan
well thats odd..
young reef
we had a bug like that with the clay a while ago
the issue was the soil not the tool I think
fair tulip
i'm keeping this shovel, it's the mark of a true gamer.
surreal halo
@fair tulip you should tell your friends to look up when it rains if they are so thirsty
fair tulip
it's not enough water.
i gave up on doing that because you get like 2 points for 13 mins, lol.
dieing is better.
surreal halo
Depends how hard it rains, same for rain catchers
fair tulip
still trying to do that too..
i had a barrel, but i didn't know it was part of the recipe and dropped it.
don't i feel dumb now.
o well. it takes as long as it takes.
it's day time btw.
could i ask for craft from chests and stack to nearby chest be added to the pack? i feel like, it's so needed.
young reef
could i ask for craft from chests and stack to nearby chest be added to the pack...
That has been discussed and no that will prolly won't happen, also it is comfort so...not really needed xD
fair tulip
i say, all items should have to be placed in 1 by 1 chests.
to easy with 4 to 10 slots.
i feel like as it is, this mod will take me around 1,000 hurs to get to where vanilla gets you in 5 hurs. so that's pretty cool.
prolly have to turn off horde night for the 1st 30 or so hordes.
suffering builds character.
surreal halo
There are progression jumps. E.g. getting a vehicle means you can travel further. Travelling further means you can loot lots of mailboxes for magazines and fragments. More magazine fragments boosts progression further. Unlocking the chem station means you can now create paper, which means you can farm fragment research with paper + blank ink.
fair tulip
yep. just gotta gather copper. i think someone in our group found like 5 or so, so it's only a matter of time now. maybe around 24 real hours before we are out of the stone age and into the copper age.
surreal halo
Getting the copper for the first distillery is a bit of a grind. In the process you'll level up mining which will make future mining quicker. I'd imagine you might want 2 or more with a group of 7. But even have 1 + camp fires should help. If you can make red tea that will help you use less water and food from stamina use.
fair tulip
yeah, it's going to be a while.
we are all just die spamming because it's faster then engaing with the mechanics.
it's just too much of a drain on resources to fight the undead or eat or drink.
sometimes, dead is better.
lol
now, if death respawns you with 5 food and 5 water, that's a diffrent story.
but giving us 50% is op i think.
surreal halo
If you are just dying, are you at least stock piling food and water so you can eventually make a good run at it?
fair tulip
well, we just dont have the resources to maintain anything.
young reef
This section is related to ideas and feedback, it was supposed to be related to water and derivated a lot. I suggest to go to general to continue this convo and maybe engage with more members. 