Epic cool quest/task thing V2™

[fathom crater]

So we ran a survey, gathered information from the public in a survey. But I know many of you are very analytical, and focus on statistics a lot. I would love your input on what sort of tasks and missions should be changed, and WHAT they should be changed to.

As well as koruna rewards, item rewards, player experience, and trader rep.

I am not promising that any of this will get changed to your liking, all i am saying is i am directly helping with making some of the changes with our game designer, and input would be helpful!

[vague pumice]

@mint depot @karmic nacelle @distant vault

[gloomy wind]

well
if they were a tad bit less tedious that would be nice
like extract with 5 bizons from matka miest
or 10 lutys from island

[mint depot]

Analytical is the least descriptive name that could be attributed to me.

There are several huge problems with the way quests work right now, can I suggest changing those as well or you want us to work around it?

Like the "collect" and "turn-in" objectives with the whole "FiR" status thing. The way they don't tell you what else you need to do etc.

[vague pumice]

Rociel I beg you make this less than 5 paragraphs. These are mostly suggestions for what could be done to replace things that need change not critiques of what’s wrong and needs to be changed

[mint depot]

I'm out then
My plan was just to copy current quests to my sandbox on wiki and add changes in red to it.

[fathom crater]

Feel free to give suggestions, but if i am being 110% honest the way the system works right now at its CORE will stay the same. I know some may not like the requirements of completing other "useless" traders to move ahead in spectre and minty. But that is where we can make Jiri or Hana give you some dope ass gear. And incentivize you to level them up so they are not "useless"

[mint depot]

I have no issues with those things 🤷‍♂️

[fathom crater]

Basically. Take all the "get 1 kill with knive while wearing a22" and i want suggestions of what all of those should be changed to. I already personally have an idea what the playerbase wants. But i want others opinions as well.

[vague pumice]

Missions like “tunnels of terror” are absolutely abysmal and in my opinion should just be removed. Running the same map for hours on end doesn’t encourage variety but instead removes the option of it. As well I feel like some missions give too high of rewards such as later minty tasks where simply finding 3 rooms on silo gets you a geartech and 6b102

[mint depot]

anyway, is there timeframe?

[vague pumice]

I’m gonna make a list of tasks I feel should be removed and what they could be replaced with for minty

[mint depot]

I mean I did fill out the suvery and general thoughs are already put down there, nothing much I can add without going more elaborate and detailed

[vague pumice]

I’m just gonna give specific missions/tasks and what they could be substituted for

[mint depot]

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/User:UserName/sandbox sandbox btw, just replace UserName with your own username

[karmic nacelle]

you can make multiple as well

sandbox1, sandbox2

I'll look at the quests and give some ideas over the next few days.

imo, making something where quests are unique to VR, that'd be key. Something you can't do in flatscreen games.

also not too excruciating to accomplish, but leave you with a sense of accomplishment.

edit: Oh - core systems not changing - just slightly adjusted got it.

[mint depot]

"take banana for scale with you in raid and have a banana swordfight with another player"

[karmic nacelle]

that sounds like a core system change for tracking.

not likely gonna happen

[mint depot]

just something no flatscreen woudl let you do 🤷‍♂️

[karmic nacelle]

[mint depot]

I will stick to balancing. reward values and solving issues I had to solve with guide. Working tonight as well so later.

Oh ZstormVR most traders, except spectre, give total rep enough to level them almost to 4, spectre gives enough for level 4. Is that the intention and it should stay there? Or I can suggest boosting values so they can reach level 5 ?

Unexpected automod attack.

[hybrid orbit]

Rociel dont ping devs directly you'll get caught in the mod system

[mint depot]

Yeah, I should know better, sorry for alerting you 😅

[hybrid orbit]

All good im just pre-warning no action will be taken just some ppl dont know why stuff doesnt go through.

[vague pumice]

Ima go over suggestions for minty and Spectre tasks

[vague pumice]

Minty task suggestions done. I’ll copy paste em into a sandbox in a bit and post it here

[fathom crater]

Some simple things that we can take advantage of such as Place items here, or snap item here, or blow this up (well just the crates because thats all we have for exploded models)

[fathom crater]

if it is allowed in this specific thread, feel free to reply to a previous comment of mine to ping me. If it is something i am directly involved in that will be okay. Please follow kind of like what Deli is doing for the suggestions for specific tasks and missions and such. That would be great to start with. Suggestions for other things are great too. These will all be for a basis to compare to some ideas i have going over with the game designer. He has all of the notes and a whole sheet made up from the mission survey as well. So we are going to spend time looking over the mission survey, removing missions, modifying missions and tasks. Those sorts of things.

[fathom crater]

what is a sandbox, is that a wiki thing lol

[hybrid orbit]

No no I mean if they ping a dev automod catches it

[mint depot]

But the total rep amount not bringing players to level 5 traders or even level 4 is intentional or I can boost them?

[vague pumice]

Yea basically just a way to post a wall of text without it being 8 miles long on here. I’ll upload my copy paste stuff to sandbox in a bit and send it to you sometime tomorrow

Looking over my ideas for reworks my rep rewards keep contradicting each other a tad

[mint depot]

It's just a wiki page where people can but their wiki things without it showing up in search or being indexed anywhere. We can still link it to other so they can see the page.

e.g. sandbox example: https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/User:NotPsycho/sandbox

[fathom crater]

Very good question. I don't believe it would be intentional. We for sure have to make it so the rep would bring you up that high i would think?

[mint depot]

mkei, I will be boosting it then, thanks !

[fathom crater]

LMAO

YOU BREACHED IT

YOU BREACHERS

YOU ARE GUILTY

lmao i love this

[mint depot]

I must have triggered some weird script in Zstorms source code 🤔

[vague pumice]

My Minty tasks rework suggestions https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/User:Delicheese/sandbox?useskin=fandomdesktop

[distant vault]

well only now i see this after me waking up and having full screen of discord notifications... In my opinion the missions are okay but ill focus on the quests a little more id say that the missions where you have to complete raids and not die at the same time have to be burned down but anything else really fits good

[fathom crater]

How long (hours) did it take to complete all of the missions @mint depot @vague pumice @obsidian palm

[vague pumice]

I’m gonna be honest. I didn’t do all the quests

I’m level 68 and minty 3 cause of how absurd the tasks are and I didn’t know what traders to grind to unlock the rest of the quest lines for minty

[vague pumice]

I think the only people who have done every quest is koneko rociel and @clever stream

[clever stream]

Bout 3 months, playing 6 hours a day

But also slacking cause f*** them night island missions, if you straight grind them all yourself it’d be about 2 months 6 hours a day

And I’m lvl 70

[obsidian palm]

A rough estimate for specifcially grinding quests would be around 40 hours, if I were to redo them I'd likely be able to do them faster than I did before due to developing strats for them. The quests that took the longest for me were the RNG ones such as turn-in quests. Now to get all of them lvl 5 is a different story... took much longer.

[fathom crater]

For sure. We are accounting for this, we want it to take a long time, but also be fun!

Just trying to get a rough estimate to make sure we do not over level players and traders too much by completing the mission system

[obsidian palm]

It's also worth noting quite a bit of the quests have bugs which results in you completing them faster. An example of which is that some headshot only quests don't actually require headshots. When these are patched it'll take much longer. Also, I'd say it'd take much longer for the average player... shouldn't take my hours as a average. I personally didn't die once during any of the survive x raids quests, I've heard that a lot of people have been struggling with those.

[vague pumice]

I feel like it should be easy to obtain a level 5 trader within 100-120 days of wipe if you play for 1-2 hours a day

Something like that would be fair

[clever stream]

yeah it took me 3 months to finally get the hp lady level 5 (she was the last one(

i just think the quests need looked at, this wipe it seems like someone copy pasted the rewards across all traders and didnt actually consider what the missions involved

[obsidian palm]

Yep, longest trader to lvl up. I believe the quests stopped at lvl 3 and the tasks were hell after that.

[clever stream]

fr tho

cause like wtf is that challenge????? survive 10 raids without dying or killing

i could see that with 3 raids, but 10 is wild

[fathom crater]

We are currently going through it, feel free to see everything stated above and give some feedback

[clever stream]

the challenges this wipe were def catored to the chad players

welp here comes a deep dive

1 sec ima get typing

[fathom crater]

What challenges would be good to cater to beginners alike and still feel fun for both beginners and chads?

[clever stream]

i feel like spectre was easy enough, but i notice alot of people are stuck on the bison quest, so maybe just change that back to the sks or make the boss scavs carry bisons is my input, the mission system for spec is fine honestly, tho i think him and all traders should have end game missions as well, things that unlock after you hit spec5 that just seem impossible but offer some cool rewards! like red cards and such but kill collector 10 times or something

minty was just dumb, every single mission is just "wear a t1 and get kills" i think those tasks should change as minty levels up, so minty 1-2 use the tier 1 stuff, maybe minty 3 use tier 2 items, minty 4 use tier 4-5 items or whatever becomes unlockable at the time, but definitely keep raising the amount of kills and such, and the scav knifing mission is also fine, but i feel it should offer more exp

shiro was easy, it just takes time which makes sense, but maybe add a task to find and exfil with an AP bottle or something related to him also besides all the kill missions since ap is so hard to find it could also be a 10K reward quest

jiri is a MF, while most players wouldnt get him lvl 5 anyways i think his missions are just overdone and need halved with the amount of stuff you gotta loot, turning in 20 cans of tangerines found in raid for like 3k exp is a bit much

the HP lady needs a complete redo, her missions are just insane, change them all, id say each mission for the exp it offers the exp either needs to be 4x what it curently is, or the mission requirement needs to be 1/4th less than what is asked

overall the quest systems are good! i think its neat they all take you to about lvl 3-4 with everyone so tasks are also necessary, but also i think every trader should have a end game quest set where you do insane things for insane rewards to keep the hype going for maxing out

[vague pumice]

Early game challenges that encourage low gear runs to prevent nakeds would be nice. This wipes a22 and knife kill challenges haven’t helped the naked running problem. While nakeds are fine it’s annoying when the lobby is entirely naked running and geared players even running a jpc is a rare occurrence

[clever stream]

i think naked raids with 0 kills should give you more negative exp, like -10000

[vague pumice]

Some of the spectre quests were absurdly time consuming

[clever stream]

this was easy for me but i can see how its hard for most

[vague pumice]

You get this quest directly after another quest requiring 10 underground raids

[vague pumice]

It’s not even the hard factor. I just think that spending 3 hours running the same map for 1 quest is absurd especially if it’s failable

[clever stream]

yeah it could def be cut down to 5 raids without dying

[vague pumice]

Deaths on other maps count against that quest as well which sucks

[clever stream]

yeah but thats hard to program out of it at the moment

[vague pumice]

A large portion of quests require the same maps to be ran for a long time. A late game quest that requires an extraction from every map in a row without a death would be cool but mid game quests that require this much time is just crazy

[clever stream]

it could be made into complete 15 raids on any map but silo without dying 3 times

[vague pumice]

Yea that would be a nice background quest

[clever stream]

that way you stilll have map freedom

or even just do away with those missions all together, i think the best missions this wipe involved doing something besides not dying

[vague pumice]

I get some of these quests are to encourage variety but variety isn’t running the same map for 3-4 hours on end for 2 quests

[clever stream]

like take the battery here, usb here, those are cool

looting 5 lutys and such

[vague pumice]

That’s what I’d prefer lol

[obsidian palm]

The reason it's specifc is to encourage players to play unpopular maps. I'd recommend not cutting it down but introduce some variety. Such as run 5 raids on matka underground & 5 raids on Island without dying.

[clever stream]

should be a quest for hit 5 purples on bridge and such

[vague pumice]

#1357114180913594368 message like I just said lol

[clever stream]

but that goes back to all this, end game missions

end game quests would be badass i think, cause now that everyones level 5, i feel like theres no point in even playing

if i wasnt a streamer i wouldnt keep playing this

[vague pumice]

Minty questline is also a bit strange. The later quests consist of easier tasks like locate 3 rooms on silo while the early ones consist of navigating underground and doing drop offs for junk items that are hard to obtain

[clever stream]

especially cause theres no further reward, no matter what level i get too, or what i find in raids, i have everything and theres nothing left to do

[vague pumice]

The harder quests also give worse rewards

[clever stream]

i feel like thats why diablo 3 added the nephalem raids LMFAO

off topic but yknow

[summer cradle]

Thank you for your feedback. This information is really helpful.

[clever stream]

always here to give suggestions 🎉 🫡

[mint depot]

I would triple that. I was somewhere at 400 hours when I started this wipe and am now at 800. And I mostly concentradet on doing quests. I did redo 1/3 of them on PvE as well. I might not be the most efficient player but sure as fuck most are even less efficient. Either way if my only objective were to level traders, tasks are much much faster, I had Spectre 5 before I was done with even half the quests for him.

[obsidian palm]

I was counting the hours specifically spent grinding quests, not overall.

Not counting time spent on tasks either, just doing the quest line.

[mint depot]

Quests is all I did however 🤷‍♂️ I haven't played much since I finished wiki for them.

Absolutely burned out

Tasks were paraller to quests.

[obsidian palm]

I couldn't see it passing 60 hours for me on quest grinding specifically. I work 12hr shifts with barely any time to play, whenever I did get on I would get straight to grinding and developed strats for doing them more efficiently. I also had help (not much, but some) from others regarding some turn-in items so that could've saved a couple hours.

I was pretty much always in a trio while doing these quests too so we cleared maps fast.

[mint depot]

Some of the things that take the most time, there are 7 quests that require you to complete 10 raids, 3 quests that require you to 15 raids, that's around 10.5 raids minimum assuming you do the "complete 15" ones without dying on the first attempt.
Aside from that, the RNG quests for ragesaq saber, for fishing rods and for lenses were hell. I spent at least 3 nights playing for 6-8 hours to complete those and I never did get the 10x lenses myself, I found 3 and traded for the rest. And that brings us to 34 just for those. Oh, yeah, and 3 hours for the bizons, so just with that I am at the 40 hour estimate almost.
And that's me talking just about 10% of the overall quests.
Some are really quick.

Speedrunning with teammates, finishing the raids with minimum time required, yeah, maybe somewhere around 50 might be doable. I was solo however and absolutely was not finishing every raid in as little time as possible. I count that in. And there is gona be downtime and people failing quests and looking for the X and shit. No fucking way for someone new to the game it will take less than 100 hours.

There are 5 quests for "complete 5 raids" as well 🤔

[vague pumice]

I hate rng quests. Like one of the mid game spectre quests is to kill collector but the issue with that is the fact he can take so many raids to spawn you’re essentially being forced to run an inconceivable amount of matka raids. I really hope with wipe they switch up the rng raids and run x amount of x map raids

[mint depot]

ah yeah, forgot to mention him and the fish culitsts that you really needed to get 3 times (absolute minimum)

[vague pumice]

As a person who plays this game an extreme amount but with a casual play style I can confirm that no person with a casual playstyle (the majority of players) and regular play time is gonna be completing all their quests/tasks to even hit level 4 traders by halfway into wipe

My main suggestion in regards to quests is limiting the amount of playtime needed to complete them while increasing the number of quests given to the player and number of quests that can be active for a single trader at 1 given moment.

Increase the difficulty of quests while limiting the time it takes to beat them while still making trader leveling take time

[mint depot]

I don't think you can do more than 3 quests simulteniously usually, 4 if we count in the turn-in ones, so that's not really a problem 🤔

[vague pumice]

Most I’ve seen was for spectre where I was running 2 quests for him at once

I never got too far into the quest lines only like halfway in to minty and spectres

[fathom crater]

Noted!

[fathom crater]

I think it will stay the same that way for quests. Some quests link to others and have "prerequisites" of needing to complete missions up to a certain level of other traders. I think that is still fun, but the missions are still in much need of a change

[mint depot]

i have no issue with that, noting

[fathom crater]

I think RNG quests can be fun, but also should not be placed near the beginning at all.

What are some thoughts or suggestions on end missions then @mint depot @clever stream @obsidian palm as you have all done them.

Once again can't promise anything but just from the few people i know who have completed it, what are your ideas for ways the very end missions could be fun?

[mint depot]

Are you in hurry with the feedback? I can probably get that page rework done tonight

[vague pumice]

I haven’t done them but I would like to suggest that end game quests should feel end game while not being easy yet time consuming: they should feel like the home stretch with hard objectives like kill x amount of players from 100 meters on night island for an ak alpha and some ap ammo for it

[mint depot]

End missions felt anticlimactic and not like culmination of skills acquired but just another grind

[vague pumice]

Something along those lines as opposed to. Complete x amount of raids without dying

[vague pumice]

Haven’t partaken in many but just reading their descriptions on the wiki itself get that feeling

Quests and tasks as of now feel less like they are a display of the skill you can put into the game but more of a display of time you’re able to put in. While it should show a mix of both it’s currently just time consuming quests any naked can do with enough time in their hands which is fine. Timmy’s deserve a chance too. But not everyone can play for the amount of hours needed to get 700 stab kills on fenix to hit a high minty level lol

[clever stream]

I think the end ones do take a while and are repetitive, I’d say at least rotate maps with them or do new things, the usb missions are cool but like maybe get the usb and then deliver it somewhere too instead of just exfil

[fathom crater]

What level are you right now, and how much XP does it say until your next level as well

[fathom crater]

so not tasks, but the final Quest

we do have to redo tasks as well, but we really want to make the missions enjoyable and make sure the priority will be missions firsts, tasks 2nd

[mint depot]

quests 😐

[fathom crater]

Yes, apologies for the typo

[mint depot]

whats your timeframe for how fast you need this feedback though?

[clever stream]

I’m lvl 70 with 1.9m exp out of 2.9m exp

[clever stream]

Yeah I mean quests, but most def id say make them slightly easier, then add a bunch of super hard ones that unlock after lvl 5 just to keep chads entertained

[mint depot]

So started doing the rework of the whole quest table, so far only finished TRH experience, reputation and koruna rewards. Haven't changed objectives or item rewards yet.

My idea is to have Reputation increase consistently with the questline progression, koruna represent how much it could cost for you max to do the quests and reward appropriately so that you are in not losing Korunas and Experience to represent the difficulty/grindiness of the quest.

I have all of them boosted.
Experience from 117k to 1.3mil (the current experience rewards are just laughable)
Reputation from 169k to 320k (this brings you slightly under level 5)
Koruna from 790k to 1.68mil

I think I won't boost experience as much for other traders and will boost Jiris Koruna rewards majorly, so that doing TRH gives you player XP (Hana has tons of lore too) and NRS, but Jiri gives you mainly Korunas in exchange for tons of junk.

🤔

[clever stream]

i think too idk how possible it is, but the merch of death missions itd be cool if they just kept further increasing based off all the other traders levels

so theres some sort of reward for getting them all 5

cause now my main grind is killing scavs for 250k korunas and selling him items for player exp

[summer cradle]

Thoughts on Quest from a lore perspective?

[fathom crater]

We got some really awesome ideas from all of this 😉

[summer cradle]

You all have been very helpful.

[mint depot]

🤔 I'm not a huge lore guy but from what I understand while adding the quests to wiki:

• Hana has a lot of backstory about the island and what was happening at the Island and seems to be the central figure ot everything. Her quests don't really reflect that as much however, the whole fish happening is what stuck more in my head. I think it would contribute to have less fish and more just tragic backstories about the residents and civilians, maybe about the fenix or something.

• Minty seems to tie in with the lore, more concentrating on the history and what was military doing before the bomb? If I'm not misremembering it. Didn't reach much from Minty's quests, so hard to add anything much more. I remember him having beef with Krtek for idk what reason

• Spectre has just beef with collector and otherwise is just all over the place. There is an insane amount of killings he order us to do with not real reason. I think we need to add some background and justification why are we killing so many people there.

• Shiro is cool that he does all that BOA stuff, but could get expanded a bit more with actual war stories or something. Didn't read too much either, just remember him going on about BOA all the time. It's not bad.

• Jiri I just don't remember. The amount of grind for his quests was just taking me out of it. I remember a questline about the flighrecorder and some shenanigans with it, but otherwise very forgettable character.

Overall there are a lot of quests that have weird tasks that in no way tie in the lore or with the characters I feel and I think that should be expanded. It does not make sense when one of them just tells me to go there and kill this many people for no reason at all.

If I got some parts wrong or missed something important, there might be a need for bigger emphasis then.

[obsidian palm]

I personally think that task is too op for just killing fenix, something you already do naturally.

(Apologies for not being active the last few hours, been at work on lane. Just got off lane, still at work.)

[mint depot]

Oh, yeah, the lack of apostrophes and stuff in quest details just makes it look terrible and hard to read. Absolutely needs to be fixed.

[clever stream]

most people i run with just ignore then and run right by them

[obsidian palm]

Different playstyles, everyone I run with have managed to gain millions from that task alone. Too easy of a money maker if you ask me. It's the #1 method on gaining koruna currently, faster than any other method. A repeatable task for something you do naturally shouldn't be that op imo.

[vague pumice]

“Turn in 10 6847s” “turn in 10 sks 10 thompsons”

[mint depot]

🤨

[vague pumice]

That’s not exactly how the turn in sks and Thompson task is worded but there is a task that calls it the 6847

For some reason

[mint depot]

The text on tasks has many problems, many even have the text cut off and one had even 1 turn-in item completely cut off which turned out to be GPU

I haven't touched tasks yet. 3/5 trader quests done so far.

[mint depot]

What if that task had a "without dying" requirement.
**But then **to balance it, instead of replacing all the previous tasks, each additional level would add new tasks for the trader. So then people could choose which difficulty of the task they will be doing and get the appropriate reward 🤔

[vague pumice]

“Turn in 5 primary armor and 10 secondary armor”
Like I know what you mean but does the new player

[vague pumice]

The grammar needs a touch up. Like on some missions when it says “without dying x times” that makes me think it means it wants me to do something an absurd amount of times without dying when that just means I’m only allowed to die that many times

[mint depot]

Hm, well, some need some clarification, but then I am not that sure how I would do it myself even. Like this one:

 Kill 5 Players while using SMGs.
 Kill 10 FENIX while using Shotguns.
 Sell 100k Koruna worth of magazines, weapons, weapon attachments, and junk to Spectre Guns and Accessories.```

Some people think that you have to all of that without dying, while you can just complete the first objective first and then do the rest of them dying however many times you want

(the values there are adjusted, I copied it from the table I am reworking)


And then there is:

```Locate Blood Beach on Island of Tabor, without dying.
 Locate the Gore Pit on Island of Tabor, without dying.```

I still don't know if I am allowed to die if I completed only the first objective 🤷‍♂️

[vague pumice]

Feel free to pin stuff if you find it important enough to get looked back on

That’s what I’m doin

[mint depot]

I did not feel like rewriting it all for wiki so here is a spreadsheet with quest rewards and some objectives rework: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zGFeqb5QkeuiwuHlthGMN7ki6w1Oxg21L2TznjGoncM/edit?usp=sharing

Lemme know if sharable link does not work for you after all.

Everything I changed is marked with red. There is sheet with reworked and current quests. I did not concentrate on completely reworking the quests, just making it so that would seem somewhat worthwhile and not as grindy.
My ideas for item rewards might not be that great I think. I didn't change many either.

Aside from that:

• Collect objective removing "Found in Raid" status from items has to fucking go, it's hell that you have to collect 15 journals and then have to turn them in but you have to find another 15 journals because you can't turn in the ones you collected
• There is also something funky going on with the Kill quests and tasks interacting in that you can have a quest with kill objective and task with kill objective active at the same time and only one of those can be finished at a time.
• When a quest progression point has been reached, where to unlock a new quest another trader's quest must be completed, a placeholder text should be displayed under the trader's quests, explaining which trader's quests you must complete to proceed.
• The general wiki page https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Quests individual quest pages sometimes contain guides. Most of them are nothing special but some of them point out to things that people are struggling with unnecessarily so they could give some ideas on what else needs to be improved.
• I have no idea what would be a good finishing quest for Jiri so I did not adjust anything for him, but I think it's evident he only has so few quests because the rest should be locked behind island expansion 🤷‍♂️

[fathom crater]

From playing, i was able to do gore pit, die, and then go do blood beach. So we may try to find a way to fix that.

[fathom crater]

I will go over this in the morning thank you!

[fathom crater]

How would you reword this? We are partially limited on the types of "characters" we can use on the UI at the moment!

[mint depot]

Is it Unreal Engines doing it's darndest to fight any attempts silly devs might try to make it run RPG elements?

[vague pumice]

Instead of “without dying x times” Change it to “with x deaths allowed”

Or with x failed raids allowed

[gloomy wind]

I have some ideas for minty tasks
and extra rewards for optional objectives.

- rewards: 2500 trader EXP, 7500 koruna, 2500 player EXP
optional objectives: complete without dying (+ 1250 trader EXP)```
Or even buy-ins for high risk, high reward missions.

```• Minty needs you to stache a package in the island of tabor's (random hotspot) for a buyer.
buy-in: 7500 koruna
Rewards: 18000 koruna, 4000 trader EXP, 7500 player EXP
optional objective: deliver without hurting another person (+1200 trader EXP, +1250 player EXP)```

these are just 2, but you get the point

[vague pumice]

I made a whole sandbox for every minty task and how they could be redone

So many regrets

[gloomy wind]

where

[vague pumice]

It’s pinned in this thread

[gloomy wind]

yeah but do you see the vision of my ideas

[vague pumice]

Yes

Money tasks like that would be nice but really high rep rewards for tasks isn’t really something I’d want

It discourages quest lines

[gloomy wind]

well it's subject to change of course

these could always be quests too

[mint depot]

Regarding the tasks, I honestly have no good concrete ideas for reworking. I checked Deli's sandbox and see that he has addressed at least most of the worst ones for Minty. There might be a couple more left for TRH - like the one to turn in Water Filters. I have found 2 water filters in my 800+ hours of gameplay ! And she asks for 5!

So anyway, in general.

I dislike how with higher levels some turn-in tasks switch from having to turn in actually common items found in raid to ones that you can barely find at all. This is very discouraging and makes people want to grind rep with low level tasks and then just buy/sell the way to level 5 instantly.
To address that, as I mentioned previously, good option would be to just start with a few tasks at level 1 and then just add new tasks instead of replacing them. That way a player can choose if they want to do more time-consuming easier tasks or the more difficult but more rewarding later tasks.

With that, many of tasks could just be removed, we really don't need that many options. I hope some sort of stats can be access to see which tasks are actually being done and which nobody has done and can be removed.

The more challenging tasks that make you do ridiculous things with the shittest equipment in game - they can be saved for future achievements, but for tasks I think it would make more sense to encourage us to use more equipment and get better, not to just YOLO.

Other than that, I put some notes in Survey 🤷‍♂️

[clever stream]

Yooo adding optional side objectives for more exp rep and koruna would be a solid idea for all quests

[mint depot]

You mean like adding another objective to the quest thats completely optional to do, but if you do it, then you will get more rewards ?

e.g.
Quest objectives:

Extract with the USB Stick.```

Rewards:
```Experience 3000
Reputation 3000
Koruna 20000```

Optional objective:
```Kill 10 FENIX or Players without dying```

**Boost to rewards if completed: +10%**

[clever stream]

Yeah exactly

[mint depot]

technically you could then balance the quests in a way that without optional objectives quests bring you to trader level 4, but with them to 5 🤔 which is a good idea. I'm not sure about the FOMO that would induce however and make people burn out if the additional objectives are too hard.
That said it's also a good idea because you could make those additional objectives to correspond more to the trader's personality. Like Hana could always have "Kill no more than x amount of people", Shiro could always have "Also drop these things for BOA in this container" and such.

[distant vault]

also can made when quests rewards become pretty worth when the amount with optional rewards equal to level 5 traders which can induce doing more quests after achieveing level 5 trader

[gloomy wind]

as I stated here yeah
#1357114180913594368 message

[mint depot]

Oh, sorry, I did not read that one fully.

[clever stream]

But also 100% add end game stuff

Cause god damn this gets boring when everything is done

[distant vault]

exclusive items for completing all quest for a certain trader would be fire

or like making mcx spear quest unlockable to be able to buy for example

[vague pumice]

I would absolutely love items only being buyable after a certain quest is complete

I think a majority of people can agree on that

[mint depot]

End game gear with skins on it that can only be acquired by completing a task/quest. Don't make them regular skins you can use in painting station or purchasable, make people grind them out continuously if they want to continue swagging around with it.

More work required but would make more sense - ingame model skin (not literal skin) swap. Also one time use, needs to be grinded out continuously. Advantage of this would be that it can't be looted from people 🤔

But that's just ideas without achievements. Honestly achievements with corresponding actual medals displayed in bunker would be much better.

-# I don't think that locking actually performing gear behind being acquirable only by completing certain amount of quests is good idea. Especially since not everyone will care about the quests and pushing that on them will only drive people away.

[vague pumice]

I gives incentive to run quests tho. Gun basics like the m4 and whatnot would preferably be trader level locked but I’d like to see high end guns like the barret get stuck behind late game quests

[mint depot]

Mate, locking actually performing gear that people want to use in endgame, behind quests, is not giving incentive - it's forcing quests on people.

[clever stream]

completing all quests to unlock things is solid

you could bring AP back to shiro and make it so you gotta complete all his quests to buy it, then just make it like 1 every 48 hours

could even add like a red card purchase or something to jiri where you can buy 1 every 7 days if you complete all jiri quests

[gloomy wind]

I think I would prefer to have doing quests to unlock weapons rather than a slow grind

has some potential for lore too

Reward: M4 unlocked```

[mint depot]

I mean the game design and intentions are up to devs to decide, but I'm judging y'all right now for these ideas. -_-

[distant vault]

i mean quests should be something that you need to do to get trader levels up in my opinino

[vague pumice]

Yea. Tasks are nice little bonus points but they shouldn’t be the main focus point because of the quests being too time consuming. Some more reasons to run quests would be nice

[mint depot]

Quests make you do stuff you normally might not, like they force you to play different maps and complete different objectives. Tasks let you play just normally the way you do and you just have to do some little side things to get the tasks done.
That seems to be the intention. Currently that balances badly however because tasks are faster to run if you just want to level up traders, so quests have a huge drawback that does not balance out. Quests give item rewards, which can be nice, but with the requirements the quests put on you, you might just get those item rewards by playing normally and you will earn much more.

Again, do note that there are players who care little about the RPG elements and don't want to bother with that, so neither tasks or quests should really be forced on people if that part of playerbase is to be considered.

[sour rose]

minty task force you wear the worst armor tho

[vague pumice]

That’s being addressed with rework

[sour rose]

oh nice

[clever stream]

You know what we need

A battle pass 🔥😭

[vague pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/get-the-fuck-out-gif-10505441769644793850

[clever stream]

I don’t see the hate behind them 🙏🏻💀 keeps most people entertained

[mint depot]

For once, Delic is right.

[clever stream]

Hear me out tho 🙏🏻💀

Free battle pass

🤣🤣🤣

Or just month long drops for random items like tarkov does

[mint depot]

While I personally just don't see much point in battle pass in a game that already have periodic wipes that already serve the same purpose a battle pass should, think that is outside the scope of tasks/quests as a suggestion 🤷‍♂️
||(this is me trying not to type out "ban TDVR for bad ideas" )||

[vague pumice]

One small thing I wanna suggest is to make ap less obtainable early game

All the early shiro quests allow for easy access to ap powder while the mid and late game shiro quests barely have any good rewards

[distant vault]

in late game basically every mission has ap powder though

[vague pumice]

Mid game is extremely lacking

And late game while there’s some ap powder quests it’s no comparison to the early game quests

Every other shiro quests early game gives an ap box

[distant vault]

i would say that it shouldnt be available at all early game from quests until like level 3 amount of reeputation have been got and it could have some delivery missions that get you ap powder and not just default questline

[fathom crater]

I will say we considered all of your feedback when still working on redoing them, and took some, twisted some, and eventually the missions should be worlds more fun 🙂

[fathom crater]

Yeah don't worry no battle pass lol

[fathom crater]

Won't in the future 😉

Boom you can just dip in here @vague pumice lol

[vague pumice]

Ahh

[vague pumice]

Are tasks and quests in the future going to incentivize kitted runs?

Early wipe is for the most part purely full of pure blooded nakeds who don’t even bring in a sling

[fathom crater]

So we are having an internal talk about this task for mission we are thinking about. This would be for a mission 3rd to 4th from the end for minty.

What are your thoughts on something like this? @vague pumice @mint depot @distant vault @clever stream

Our thoughts here, is to reduce the "tediousness" and increase the skill level required to complete these end game missions.

[clever stream]

thats decent actually

very easy to get done with top floor scavs

[fathom crater]

This is the total mission. I wont share others with you, but just want thoughts.

[clever stream]

yeah thats looking great

its just mainly to get away from the t1 rig from minty 1-5

[distant vault]

id say it goes pretty nice and the ways to deal with this mission too makes it easy to be able to bring how much gear you want and just have a set of armor in your backpack. The problem i see with this are scav respawning like for example there are 3 scavs (as i recall) on the top floor that tdvr said can be respawning too slow which will make it tedious and also i dont see that big of a problem but it is annoying with the complete raids part

[vague pumice]

For a late game mission I’m all for it. I’d love hard end game tasks like this so long as they offer decent rewards 👍

[vague pumice]

I’m a little mixed on complete x amount of raid missions but I’m ok with this as it’s a 5 minute timer map

[distant vault]

just to add before i honk shoo: a way to make people play a map (if that is the reason there is complete 5 raids) could be done better with just having a questline for the map like 4 chodov mall missions in a row for example does the same job and feels more polished

[fathom crater]

so as a counter to this, we cannot do exactly what Jananas suggested with in a row like that, but what would be some other suggestions to replace those for end game players?

[clever stream]

for end game are we saying lvl 3-4 missions??

[vague pumice]

Just don’t require hours on end of running the same map. This for example is literal hell to complete

[clever stream]

when i see end game, im thinking missions you unlock after you hit lvl 5

[clever stream]

that was hell even for me, just cause i didnt wanna run that shit

[vague pumice]

Exactly

That mission comes directly after another where you complete 10 raids

[clever stream]

5 raids without dying once tho would be decent on it

[vague pumice]

I don’t wanna complete 25 raids of the same map for 2 missions

[gloomy wind]

what will the early game quests look like? Will they require you to run low level gear?

[vague pumice]

Eh. Considering the map timer is a whole 10 minutes I’m not a big fan on that

[clever stream]

yeah im usually waiting for like 3 minutes to exfil

but i also see how it needs to be a challenge still

[vague pumice]

I think every quest should be able to be completed within 30 mins

That’s just me

[clever stream]

i dont think timmies should be able to even hit spec 5 without being half decent at the game

[vague pumice]

Yea

But some people are good and can’t play for 2 hours + a day to complete quests which sucks

[clever stream]

i think the bar needs moved somewhere too tho so they dont have that constant naked bar spam, most these guys dont even care bout missions

i think itd neater if the guns got moved around to all traders tbh

like give the hp lady handguns and smgs since its more medic class, give shiro LMGs and snipers or something

[gloomy wind]

i think it'd be best if bar was fir only, with its pre-wipe spawn chances

[clever stream]

yeah that too considering it spawns in almost every vault

[gloomy wind]

that one crate in tower vault...

[clever stream]

lmfao fr

[gloomy wind]

I'm not even sure if it's intentional or a bug, it's been around for so long

[fathom crater]

we set it to spec 3. can only buy 1 per hour, and 3 mags per hour. would you think that would be good?

[fathom crater]

its considered the 'last section' so you will be around minty 4 at this time or farther.

these are specifically for quest lines im talking about

[clever stream]

Yeah that’s great actually

[clever stream]

Oh okay that’s good

I’d just very specifically like to see a quest line open up after you hit lvl 5 on them, it’s 100% personal to keep me entertained 😩🤣💀

[fathom crater]

As much as i would love that, as would others here. We cannot implement that at this time. Potentially in the future!

We are working with what we have, and i am doing my best to help make sure the quests/missions feel more like you are accomplishing something vs tedious nothingness

[clever stream]

Darn 🙏🏻🤣

It’s all good, I just know I’ll max it out in a month or 2

https://tenor.com/view/xikers-xikers-meme-green-hair-grass-green-hair-touch-grass-gif-9800216577984788698

[vague pumice]

I’m level 68 and minty 3

😭

[clever stream]

Lvl 71 max all

[vague pumice]

I’m not even gonna go for level 70 this wipe

Level 69 funnier

[clever stream]

I’m going for 72 now 😭

3.45M exp to go 71-72

[vague pumice]

ATP just grind for top 10 on the xp leaderboard

[clever stream]

I’m pretty sure I’m top 3 now 🤣

[vague pumice]

I might be top 10

I’m unsure. Def top 20 at least

[clever stream]

Money too, I’m at 52m

If I sell my entire bunker I got about another 10-20m

[vague pumice]

Check DMs rq 🤣

[fathom crater]

We are aiming at completion to be 1/2 - 1/4 the time. But it may need more adjusting if players complete it too fast for what we are doing

[clever stream]

Heck yeah, no matter what yall do people will complain too of course 🤣

Some people do it too fast, some people never do it

[fathom crater]

Hana via lore hates killing. Definitely take some time and read the lore for each mission they are awesome! Hana has a dark history haha

[clever stream]

Fairrrr I haven’t read any of it

[vague pumice]

Zstorm when is Viewie getting in a full motion capture suit to play Hana and make short story cinematics for tabor like bsg does with tarkov?

[gloomy wind]

niko bellic ahh

but uhh

I'm really liking these changes

The grind is really boring and time consuming compared to the rest of the game, but now it actually seems to be looking fun

[fathom crater]

As someone who plays tabor a lot, it was a request i get to help with this as i would really love to HELP make it fun to me and other players, and that's why i'm just trying to double check with yall and get feedback

[mint depot]

Difficulty wise feels ok, but it does not make sense for Minty to request you use certain gun/gun type during missions.

[vague pumice]

I’m fine with gun types personally

Specific guns on the other hand…

Ew

[mint depot]

Another way to make people run a map more is to make them use certain extractions or make them collect items that have static spawns on that map (I dont think mall has anything unique right now)

[mint depot]

For spectre, not minty

[vague pumice]

Meta blade

[mint depot]

If we are talking tasks for endgame - I suggested in survey "Patrol" tasks where player need to walk to certain places during one mission. e.g. the visit Military Camp, Church an Prison Warden's building during one raid, without dying. That makes sense for endgame, while not sure on the rewards for simple one like that...

[mint depot]

Streamer item spawns are just too unreliable with their spawn rate and also means the reward Korunas must be adjusted to be higher because those are not cheap items.

[fathom crater]

So Minty will not have a focus on that much at all. This one happens to be a one off that would require a bolty due to the story. Otherwise Spectre is who we would have with Weapon requirements!

[mint depot]

If it's tied with lore then fine

[fathom crater]

So ideas like this are good, combined with some other specific things like “while wearing an adventure bag” or something to help avoid that feeling of people running through raids naked. Obviously scaling up based on skill level and trader level, and not requiring anything with the A22 or Pilot helmet at all.

[fathom crater]

So we do have the certain extractions on maps for sure!

[fathom crater]

And yes, we took this into consideration 🙂

Was a good suggestion!

[mint depot]

Ye, I am partial to those because they make sure you know the map and how to play and are not forced to overstay your welcome while making it more varied gameplay.

[fathom crater]

You should not at all need to hit that player level, and not be almost maxed on all traders. My personal goal is to help just make it fun without the exact same senseless grind (to the best extent we can with the system we have in place)

[vague pumice]

Na I just gave up on quests and the minty tasks were hot ass

🤣

My thought process was “I’m skilled enough to earn this gear so why spam naked to be able to buy it”

And I think a lot of people can agree on that thought process

[fathom crater]

You will not be able to complete tasks or missions once past trader level 3/4 without being half decent at the game imo. Traders 1-3 should be fairly quick and easy for players to obtain, get a feel for the game, and kind of get taught the ropes and feel out how to improve! Also helping prevent gear fear by hearing players for certain missions before they even head into them in the beginning. Once kids feel what it’s like to run with real gear, and they get better, then they will WANT to use gear

Eventually when they change, we will monitor how players are doing closely, and if what we have done makes it too easy for players, we will dial it back and or tweak things. But I think the new “base set” for missions will be MUCH more fun/realistic

[fathom crater]

So I think we may have 1 with an LBAV, but it’s fairly quick and easy, and it may just straight up get changed to JPC. But after that one, it will be JPC and above from then on out. With armor mission requirements scaling with where you are in the Quest line, almost never requiring you to use gear you can’t purchase. Except for a few spots in some areas which if you haven’t actually played any regular raids besides doing missions, may SLIGHTLY require you to grind a few tasks, then can clap back at the quests!

[fathom crater]

Yeah this shit is gone lmao

[fathom crater]

This was indeed the thought process behind this! 5 minute timer maps vs 10 minute timer, and was taken into consideration with the “complete X amount of raids”

[fathom crater]

The “‘mission” will still be there, but completely different requirements now, that will cater to your real skill, over mindless grinding.

[vague pumice]

Love to hear that

[fathom crater]

Yes, this will be changing as well 💪🏼

Running something, anything, along those Quests, with greater rewards, will SERIOUSLY incentivize players to run with gear, especially early on 🙂

Give the timmies a taste of how you can survive Fenix shots, If you actually wear gear! Haha (well not m16, and Galil Fenix unless then get fixed lol)

[vague pumice]

Bro I was running naked and died to collector in 2 shots nerf fenix frfr

[fathom crater]

Yeah a lot of time is going into missions this time, me and Myron have been staying like 2-3 extra hours everyday just because we want them to be better and flow together so much better!

[vague pumice]

Hopefully after next wipe if the gear incentivizing works out then fenix could potentially be buffed in the future as god intended

[fathom crater]

I said my personal passion would fuel it this time around

[fathom crater]

I PERSONALLY think, Fenix don’t need to be “harder” or “buffer” but need to be “smarter”. Like tucking up against walls, giving call outs to other Fenix to run over, if they take 50-70% damage they should duck and hide, and maybe attempt to heal or something. That’s not stuff that will most likely be added, but stuff I would personally love! Haha

[vague pumice]

I would love bosses to actually be difficult

The current bugged ai is so weird when taking bosses

I will call it bugged because it’s buggy. Bosses and guards will target players 10+ meters away while you’re right behind them

And there’s a large amount of spots to cheese boss fights

[fathom crater]

How much AP total do you think Shiro should “give out”? @vague pumice @clever stream , and at what level missions of his quest lines? We have our ideas already, but I’d love to just hear y’all’s ideas!

[vague pumice]

I think shiro at level 3 should sell pistol/pistol + ap boxes and at level 4 sell pdw ap. Powder itself should be quest locked and I believe it should
Be mid and late game with late game quests giving more ap

[fathom crater]

I cannot iterate this enough, but quests will be SIGNIFICANTLY better to run/do, than the repeatable tasks.

They will give everyone a fair opportunity to learn and grow as new players, put push end game players to some limits for fun (could maybe have to be harder at some points, or easier at others but we will find out when that time comes)

[vague pumice]

I just wanna say I think everyone here can say we love the transparency and thinking you guys have put into this quest rework

Anyways keep leaking new quests

[fathom crater]

Of course! I am honestly not sure if I have said too much, but if I have I still feel there is plenty of surprises for y’all to come. And you have absolutely no idea what’s IN these rewards or quest lines now haha! Just a little Tom Hollanding it 👀

[fathom crater]

Nope I won’t be leaking anymore specific details!

That one quest is quite literally all I will.

[vague pumice]

Worth a shot

[karmic nacelle]

Throwing my two cents as a low playtime wipe player working full time lately...

Can we have a daily task rotation for tasks that have rewards that also rotate that temporarily unlock weapons and armor for 48hrs or something? Give us low playtime guys a chance to be competitive 😂

[vague pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/basketball-meme-gif-5051779013126861108

[fathom crater]

The feedback helps me confirm that my gut is in line with that of the players.

[vague pumice]

Even tarkov has a weekly task rotation with somewhat easy tasks that give low rep and good rewards

🤷‍♂️

[fathom crater]

I don’t know if this is something we can add now, but I will say, low playtime will be rewarded early game into missions (or at least much more so now)

[fathom crater]

Definitely a great idea though!

[karmic nacelle]

Appreciate that comment. Yeah, I've not played much at all this wipe to comment on tasks . Wish I could contribute more to this conversation. Great input and feedback from what I can see though

[fathom crater]

Added this into my notes to pass to the game designer!

[fathom crater]

I think honestly comparing it to even the OLD tasks and what you wanted out of them, would serve as amazing feedback

Ideas and suggestions for Missions/Tasks are always welcome!

Keep dropping them in here! Haha

Now that you know that other mission I teased is possible, you may be able to slightly get some ideas or baseline ideas from that

[clever stream]

id say give none out until about 5 missions in, but also the fact you never find it in raids i think it should go out still, even right now you get tons and tons of ap powder from missions and everyone still mostly runs FMJ

i get killed by AP maybe once every 10 deaths

[vague pumice]

I think low tier ap boxes should be buyable like pdw ap and pistol ap with full power and rifle ap staying craftable only

It would help give incentive to run kitted smgs late game and expand the kinds of guns people run without being op

[vague pumice]

Keep 7.62x25 ap off those shelves tho. A new rat meta would be born lol 🤣

[royal zenith]

Oh this is peak

[distant vault]

yes

[vague pumice]

@clever stream hey quick question. you complete quests faster than anyone else in the game. once you get around mid game quests if they arent added to the wiki would you be fine with dming images of the quests and their descriptions to me or @distant vault? if not that's perfectly fine

[clever stream]

ill see if i can get someone in chat to screenshot them

[vague pumice]

[clever stream]

im speed running this tho fr

[mint depot]

Sidenote: depending on the amount of rework, it's also important to see which quest is unlocked after which. The game does not really give us that information and they are not really linear while still very important.
Rework might not be that extensive though 🤷‍♂️ so if we get lucky, just some reward values and objectives need to be adjusted.

[clever stream]

im gonna try to screenshot every quest for them

or at least offer vods for someone to do it, since i complete them all

[mint depot]

In case the changes have been more extensive than I anticipate, just make sure that, after you claim rewards, you go through all the traders to see if it unlocked new quests for more than one trader.
The rest can be pulled no problem if there is a vod.

[distant vault]

-# remember quest details side

[fast scarab]

is this the last safe place?

[hushed cave]

another safe place

[fathom crater]

Oh so you goobers can still get in here eh....

👀

it's okay, talk amongst yourselves...if you can haha

[vagrant heath]

nope

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