#Nrs selling profit

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stoic mica
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Let's gooo

fallow idol
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Shouldnt be hard considering its just the same formula just with different numbers

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We just gotta now hoe many nrs per lvl and how many plants per lvl

late oxide
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weird I can't attach or paste here

stoic mica
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Link it if you can

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Imgur

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Sorry about that.perms R weird here

late oxide
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let me know if this opens for you

stoic mica
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@ornate veldt this is what I was talking about in your comments

ornate veldt
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@late oxide will be making a video covering your spreadsheet! Good work dawg!

late oxide
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and Upgrade Medical Room Level 2 or Upgrade Medical Utility Level 2 is character level 20 and 21 respectively

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I just re-watched GoT video and its Upgrade Medical Room Level 2 that open up NRS machine and allows 2 NRS to be made. Each Utility Level upgrade nets you 2 more NRS.

stoic mica
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I'm still under the impression that the NRS money farm is super achievable compared to the GPU mining rig. This is top notch spreadsheeting.

late oxide
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added to spreadsheet a net profit analysis not including 355,000KR capital expense

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also added a Total NRS/3day column to the Utility and Room costs table

green warren
late oxide
late oxide
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added to spreadsheet: * The 3rd bed may only have 10 plants but this has not been confirmed. Numbers will be adjusted accordingly

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I looked at the video and its very hard to tell....come on...no one here is level 33 yet 🤣

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either way its 234 or 216 NRS but time will tell

fallow idol
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lvl2 utility makes me 4 nrs. lvl3 will make 6 by logic

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I didnt upgrade it yet tho

late oxide
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question is...how many seeds can you plant in Bed # 3

late oxide
fallow idol
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oh you are speaking nursery I dont have it upgraded at all lol

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@inland monolith has it full Im pretty sure

inland monolith
inland monolith
late oxide
inland monolith
late oxide
inland monolith
green warren
stoic mica
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Bro... can you imagine getting clapped with a bag full of drugs? I'd be so mad my 3 days stash just went up in smoke.

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*GAME DRUGS...!!!! ** back off FBI

stoic mica
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Scuzzie has it figure dout.

uneven crest
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wait so do you need power to grow your weed? I heard otherwise but i may've been lied to

fallow idol
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you need power and water

late oxide
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confirmed at Level 21 you can upgrade to 4 NRS per plant! No more scrounging around raid looking for my next fix or buying over priced street drugs for me anymore. And I can sell them when I need money.

fallow idol
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and last one is 6 by logic

late oxide
uneven crest
late oxide
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anyone feel free to use the spreadsheet and if you find any issues let me know and I will update the shared version. Thanks @uneven crest for the credit in your video.

analog crescent
# green warren *Runs into raid*

You can fix this glitch by just placing one normal nrs (bought or collected from raid) on the selling carpet, then after put all the nrs you produced. It will automatically match with the first one in the panel with the right Price

fallow idol
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Same with mags if you put max mag on top and empty after them you will get much higher prices but you will get less

analog crescent
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I checked the bank amount and it work

fallow idol
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Ok then

analog crescent
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Also how do you get founding father role ?

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I bought it

fallow idol
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@wispy dune with proof of purchase

stoic mica
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I colorized the chart and removed formulas since it's good for now if you guys want that view:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13p_Bunjo8CboxGyQzv9xCQb0Q-1gJ5RC/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=116750455060472633729&rtpof=true&sd=true

Google Docs
Growing chart Copy.xlsx

Sheet1

Weed Farm➡️NRS Craft Cost,Fully Upgraded Grow Room
Knowns:,Capital Investment (Room+Utility Upgrades),355000
• 72 hours from Planting to Harvest
• 2 Gas Tanks per 24 hours
• NRS cost 4725 and sell for 1890
3 Day Calculation of profits after maxed Garden+Medical
Item,Note:,Qty needed to ...

stoic mica
uneven crest
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Formula to calculate water costs:

x - number of plants
y - number of water bottles required to grow one plant
z - cost of one water bottle

round(x * y) * z = water cost

note: do x*y then round up because you cannot buy 1/2 a water bottle

analog crescent
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What about the water source ?

analog crescent
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I understand it as 1000 unit of water (water tank size)
3days reference
Level 3 gardenroom utility last 24h (for 1000 unit)

So
1000×(unit cost)×3(days) = cost of water for one exploitation

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Now need to find the unit cost

analog crescent
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I guess the water filter deliver 1000 units. So
3340×3(days)= 10020 koruna per exploitation

stoic mica
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Gotchu fingerguns

late oxide
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According to @daring thorn even at level 3 it’s still 72 hours from plant to harvest.

daring thorn
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The stations only effect water in take

inland monolith
late oxide
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After 2 full harvests, I have 44 buds sitting on a shelf(I used a few for NRS when I needed some). If I turn them into NRS that’s 176 NRS or 332,640KR if I sell them. My Capital investment has been recouped.

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It’s all gravy from here on out!

stoic mica
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Nais!

whole skiff
late oxide
whole skiff
late oxide
whole skiff
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my island found in raid is selling for 0....

late oxide
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Ok so I made a bunch of NRS to test and I put a regular purchased NRS on the belt and then loaded in 32 of the NRS I made. It said I was supposed to get 60,000 KR and I hit the sell button they disappeared but I never received the Koruna

stoic mica
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Yikes

analog crescent
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Worked once. But probably was lucky

whole skiff
late oxide
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Tonight I will bring a bunch into raid and then sell them after EXFIL to test that they sell at full price.

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I am pretty sure I have heard from others that this works

analog crescent
late oxide
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working on a video about planting and watering your weed

late oxide
stoic mica
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Gotta change the little sell instruction peepoGiggles

In order to SELL crafted NRS' at full value, you must bring them into a raid and extract with them to obtain 'found in raid' status. This lets you sell them at full cost.

analog crescent
stoic mica
whole skiff
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time to rat the island, and hope i dont need to cut into my profits to extract lol

whole skiff
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out of the 4 raids (broke it up to not loose the full profit)
was able to sell about 15 meds 3 times
2/3 were at full price the last one was for nothing

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so be sure to test by selling one, vs all

whole skiff
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Timeless vid on this btw

next idol
analog crescent
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@next idol im just farming the weed until patch release haha

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My bank account will jump from 300k to 2 millions 🤑

next idol
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For sure for sure, just hope they don't nerf the sell price when they fix it 😨

fallow idol
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They wont nerf the sell price

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That would been making the price of nrs less at a trader

next idol
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Thank heavens

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My backpacks of jazz dandelions and i shall rest easy knowing this

late oxide
whole skiff
whole skiff
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DO NOT SELL more then one at once
it can eat that and pay you nothing. just spam click the profit
and i was able to sell the freshly crafted after loading ionto the market and back to base (mostly a lag thing maybe)

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but sadly lost 40 nrs to the raid before i tested that with a few at base lol

hope they use the stockpile if they looked at my sling bag lol

whole skiff
stoic mica
late oxide
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Well lots of updates to crafting NRS, wonder what they changed.

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  • Water filter is now removable
  • Nursery water consumption returned to normal from %90 decrease.
  • Fixed multiple backend issues with water consumptions, fuel consumption and plant growths.
  • Changed NRS amount crafted from plant product
  • Increased plant product sell price
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The Changed NRS amount crafted plant product is concerning to profitability

whole skiff
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That was my thought as well.
If it hurt it, at least I sold most of mine last night.
But will be waiting for the updates

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I do appreciate the water filter being fixed. But now need to buy the ults. Hopefully we can fill a gas can for water ?

whole skiff
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2,3,4 per upgrade

Instead of 2,4,6

late oxide
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ok I will work on adjusting the sheet

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oh and seed cost has changed and amt of seeds too...anyone have this data yet?

daring thorn
green warren
whole skiff
late oxide
daring thorn
late oxide
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sheet updated

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anyone know how much a water filter is? I can factor that into the sheet

daring thorn
late oxide
daring thorn
late oxide
daring thorn
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Haha your the same as me I spent two whole days looking for a gpu go into a raid with a buddy and he finds two I was not amused haha

late oxide
daring thorn
late oxide
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ok confirmed empty seeds bag sell for 53K

buoyant summit
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How many profit for 3 day ? now after update

whole skiff
buoyant summit
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And one plant its one weed ?

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When harvest ? How Many sell if not found in raid ?

lilac willow
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How much is the difference between selling newly crafted and ones that you run a raid with?

late oxide
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Well I could not open the NRS machine last night? anyone else have that problem?

whole skiff
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I can check when i come on in a bit, just dont have any product

late oxide
whole skiff
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i think one light hot fix was last night

late oxide
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i also had enough XP for Spectre 4 and I bought and sold enough to go over 1,000,000 KR but I was stuck at Spectre 3

whole skiff
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with the kiosk bug, i couldnt sell the loot for i think 60k more for minty 3

late oxide
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I need my combo holo, hoping I have Spectre 4 when I login tonight

whole skiff
late oxide
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lilac willow
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lilac willow
whole skiff
# lilac willow Was just curious because of this ^

there were oddities with selling, after crafting do not spam the meds in all at once. but drop emone at a time onto the conveyier. and sell one at a time.
also keeping an eye on the actual med sale price in lower left corner

whole skiff
whole skiff
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Has anyone filled up their water and come back to where it was before 13bkues and one canteen ?

late oxide
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I was able to sell NRS right after I made them for full price!

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But I did try 1 and then sell, then threw a bunch on the belt and kept watching the KR go up ⬆️

whole skiff
# late oxide Multiple times

Also having my filter run out while in raid so I disconnect now, also some water bottles have emptied on me if their not upright

late oxide
whole skiff
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Yep, it's why I usually have 2 on hand, and I leave em on the shelf nearby with the extra bottles.

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Up to thermos now that I'm buying when I can sell of the nrs after a few nods and such

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Ah good update is done, time to see of the plants are ready.

whole skiff
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sold off my meds no issues,
had a seed glitch where the seed wouldnt despawn after planting.
but all is good

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now have 3 insured tier 2 nods and the first helm to take it. ap and such so hopefully i can solo a few night island

whole skiff
late oxide
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I am working on the water now, that I have some data. I did get some good info from ZstormVR yesterday and confirming some of the info. But basically the water filter remaining life bar is bugged. You can "only fill 6 black thermos bottles or 5 black canteens" with each water filter. Anything over that and you are filling it with bugged water because the filter is depleted but still showing a blue line. You can confirm this by after filling 6 black thermos bottles or 5 black canteens and then go to market and come back and the blue line will be gone or very small.

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Capacity Info:
White water bottle - 3 units
Light Blue water bottle - 5 units
Black Thermos - 6 units
Black Canteen - 8 units
Note: white water bottle blue line is weird, I think its 3 units but hard to tell in testing (confirmed in video that it is 3 units)

So if 18 black thermos bottles is required to fill grow room tank that is 108 units of water

Lets use 120 units as a full water tank for now (until we do some more testing), because I did have a small blue line on my grow room water tank.

To fill with 120 units with each bottle is:

White water bottle - 40 bottles
Light Blue water bottle - 24 bottles
Black Thermos - 20 bottles
Black Canteen - 15 bottles

devout kettle
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Yeah good to see other people sharing the correct info for about the phantom water bug,
Keep in mind that water produced from a depleted filter will disappear even if it’s already in the nursery tank.

For more detail see my post from a couple days ago.

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late oxide
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That will confirm the number of units required to fill the grow room tank.

devout kettle
late oxide
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made some edits to the white water bottle above, I went back and watched video of filling white bottle and its 3 units per bottle

daring thorn
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This helps a lot now I know how to fill my tank all the way

late oxide
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also its 5 units per light blue bottle, damn I must have been tired last night but just confirming with the video i recorded

unkempt wave
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So you can get the actual game units for the bottles by drinking it when you are thirsty and exfiling. It's recorded in the results screen. Infish confirmed nursery tank is 1000 units.

whole skiff
unkempt wave
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I put the water duration numbers on the nursery page

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The numbers recorded on exit screen are the in game water units. Your body has a capacity of 100

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Water tank is 1000. I've got to test the filter more but I think it's 500

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I was hoping to get someone to measure the water containers but I may have to do that myself later in the week. Hopefully I have a canteen.

daring thorn
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@late oxide thankyou literally the first time I got my tank full!

late oxide
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Ok so in testing last night I got ~42 units of water per water filter, I will work up a video today of all my water bottle and nursery tank testing. If anyone has an empty tank and would be willing to do some testing please DM me

devout kettle
surreal arrow
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Hey all! I can add those data points to the spreadsheet

If we have unit counts on all the water containers I can do hours of growing per bottle

With:

  • Cost of Water Filter
  • Value of Empty Filter
  • Units per Filter

I can also do calcs for hours by filter per # of plant
And add the Value per plant based on the already calculated gas costs

surreal arrow
unkempt wave
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Okay here are the water values confirmed by game logs. This does not account for bugs such as not being able to get all of it out. The values are about a month old so it's possible they changed something. Plastic Bottle 35. Water Bottle 49 ("WaterJar" in the logs). Thermos 60. Canteen 75. Water Filter 500. Hope that helps. I can't confirm the nursery tank in the game logs unfortunately.

surreal arrow
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Thanks! This seems to have changed recently, but these are good numbers to have for when it's back and operational

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Current Values based on recent testing

unkempt wave
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Or is this all observational?

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My most recent data point was 11 28. highly doubt they changed

surreal arrow
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Here's what I've got

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InFish numbers are based on 1000 units in Nursery, Scuzzy is at 120 units

unkempt wave
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Scuzzy's is pretty good. It would be 3.5, 5, 6, 7.5

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So only off on two

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Good luck guys. I'm not here to tell you what to do. Just here to give you information.

surreal arrow
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Absolutely! All is welcome so we can make the best charts out there

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Current values are based on in-game testing so are subject to change

unkempt wave
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I'm giving you in game values based on readouts in logs.

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The game tells you what the value is.

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But observational is good too.

surreal arrow
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@unkempt wave adjusting google sheets now

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Keeping Water Filter readouts the same until someone can confirm 10 blue bottles from 1 filter

late oxide
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late oxide
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I wanted to make sure I was using 100%water

surreal arrow
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That tracks pretty close then to the math

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late oxide
surreal arrow
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Cool - I based off 1000 units so numbers should be solid - 120 is v close if not spot on

late oxide
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I don't want my water to empty cause I have 39 babies that need to grow kek

surreal arrow
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Whoooooo boi - GL GL

unkempt wave
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My plants died and I sold my water containers in a fit of rage. What test did you have in mind?

surreal arrow
late oxide
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@unkempt wave 👆🏻

unkempt wave
late oxide
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analog crescent
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Am i the only one who still have the water filter issue where the watermark is black and unusable ?

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Cant produce weed as no water.

late oxide
analog crescent
fallow idol
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you buy new water filter place it then its insta empty?

analog crescent
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Same for the watertank in the garden

fallow idol
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So the water you might have filled bottles with was unreal and backend deleted it

analog crescent
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So i bought unreal water

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Nice

fallow idol
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Filter has like 6 canteens in it

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half of the nursery tank to be exact

analog crescent
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Um, 6 canteen filled only a quarter of the tank

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So im the only one with this issue ?

fallow idol
analog crescent
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Ouf

fallow idol
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Read what I linked

fallow idol
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It explains it all

surreal arrow
fallow idol
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analog crescent
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Oook

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Thanks guys !

fallow idol
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you gotta fill several bottles. Go into market and back. Check if filter has some water. Repeat

surreal arrow
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This should help - should be accurate to current filters give or take

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late oxide
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I have been doing 7 black thermos per filter and it has been working consistently. I did have an empty tank last night, so I am reviewing the video to count the exact units to fill tank from empty to full. My tank now empties almost exactly at 24 hours now that I have 39 babies growing.

daring thorn
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Did the whole selling nrs thing get fixed yet?

late oxide
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waiting for video to upload to YouTube but 18 black thermos bottles or 108 units of water fill the grow room tank from dead empty.

daring thorn
late oxide
# daring thorn Sweet thanks

The most I sold was 10 at one time but its been consistently selling for me. I would test in small chunks larger and larger amts

whole skiff
late oxide
daring thorn
late oxide
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"So if 18 black thermos bottles is required to fill grow room tank that is 108 units of water"

surreal arrow
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hell yeah

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Good work!

unkempt wave
# late oxide just make sure you are only using "real" water, don't over use the filter....so ...

Process: All blue bottles. 8 at a time with a new filter in between. Use logs to ensure they are filled up to 100%. 20 + 1 partial bottles to fill nursery tank up. Maybe half of the last one?

There is a bottle logging debug print in the logs right now. I was only using the blue bottles. It was reporting 0.020408% (1/49) being left in empty bottles so I don't know if the debug is off by one or if bottles are not fully emptying. I have noticed that when I relog the bottles will have a sliver of color on the water level.

The faucet filled up the blue bottles 10 units of water at a time. So 1 -> 11 -> 21 -> 31 -> 41 -> Full. I don't know if it substracts the full 10 units of water in the last transfer or only the 8 needed to fill the bottle.

If the full 49 units of water are transferred, a 1000 water tank should take 20.4 bottles. If only 48 are being transferred, it should take 20.8. It took somewhere around halfway on the 21st bottle of water for it to fill so the experiment matches what we expected.

late oxide
late oxide
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And using black thermos and guessing it’s 59 units of water per bottle, my findings of 18 black thermos to fill the tank makes sense. 18 x 59 = 1062 units

unkempt wave
# late oxide And using black thermos and guessing it’s 59 units of water per bottle, my find...

The blue bottle is the only one that isn't a multiple of five. The values I used came from a previous version game logs. If I recall the bottle amounts are 35, 49, 60, 75. For the game logs, just search for bottleloggingamount . The first number is percentage filled (1.0 = 100%). A good text editor like notepad++ will allow you to search for all instances. I don't know if water is wasted with bottles that end in 5 instead of 0. Impossible to know if filter gauge is unreliable

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One note on that debug print, it prints twice for every container. I had 8 containers and saw 16 lines of text.

unkempt wave
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So I'm going to spam the channel a little bit. Evidence of tank capacity. Statement from InFish "intended is 20 blue bottles (they have 50 units of water) for a total of 1000 units." Source was screen capture from person unknown.

unkempt wave
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Bot really doesn't like me. Here's excerpt from earlier version game log for blue bottle:

"ConsumableAmount": 42.830707550048828,
"MaxConsumableAmount": 49,

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This particular log is from 2023 08 04 but I may have something more recent. Same game log excerpt but for water filter:
... /WaterFilter/BP_WaterFilter.BP_WaterFilter_C",
"ConsumableAmount": 477,
"MaxConsumableAmount": 500,

unkempt wave
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Pouring out into the tank appears to be roughly 2% every 200 msec so 10 seconds to pour? 03.42.20:588 - 03.42.11:198. 20.5 bottles. Somewhere close to 3.5 minutes of just pouring out water. Filling up is 20% or 10 units of water for the blue bottle every second. Didn't try other bottles. So 1.75 minutes of filling up bottles. Obviously more time to move them back and forth. I suspect you can cut off the sink faucet as soon as you see the bar fill up and not worry about "topping off" or anything. Pouring out is more gradual.

whole skiff
buoyant summit
surreal arrow
# buoyant summit Didnt understand what is the best?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1joWy3mtGbw5pOrWsoSmmLMtXCLJ-JDGjNyhP9pNf30g/edit?usp=sharing - Canteen is best

Google Docs
The Great Water Chart

Data

The Great Water Chart - Created By L'Carpetron 12/06/2023
Data Credits to: Aboleth(Bottle Measurements), Scuzzzl3(In Game Testing), InFish (Nursery Tank Unit Count and Plant Hours)
Nursery Tank Capacity - 1000 Units,White Bottle Capacity - 35 Units,Blue Bottle Capacity - 49 Units,Thermos Ca...

buoyant summit
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So now at utility lvl 2 of medical its 3 per weed ?

whole skiff
late oxide
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Ok so I found out last night that when filling water, you don't need to keep shutting off the water....you can just let it run and only the water that goes in the bottle counts towards the used water.....😮

late oxide
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whole skiff
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is the cost per seed 1096 now ?

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also would love a simple water cost per day. as i think with the thermos it takes 3 filters to fill up the tank.

surreal arrow
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7380 per bag, so 738 per seed

At gen level 3 that's
2989 x 4 for 72 hours (we can do math for gas based on that)

Then water filters we would need to figure out how much each costs and what the sell price is for empty ones to get the real "cost"

39 plants at max tier will consume a full tank of water in 24 hours, which in turn would mean we'd need 9 filters.

We can separate math later but if we say 4 NRS per product we can say 1890 x 4 x 10 is gross

So 75,600 - 11,956 for gas (63,644)
Minus seed bag - 7380 (56,264)
Minus 9 water filters

That divided by 10 would be profit per seed at max level

surreal arrow
whole skiff
whole skiff
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oh i get what your saying now.
im just starting the full harvest one bed a day strat for daily profits.
so thats why i have the 3 day, and daily

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also wanted a very simple maths for my profit keeping

surreal arrow
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Yep! I want to update some other charts with full details haha

whole skiff
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gotcha I'll update in the morning as i take care of things.
def like topping off in the morning and at night

surreal arrow
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Cool!! No rush

whole skiff
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yeah at least i had good raids in matka, check the media.
finally got a bag that will make the refills one trip.

whole skiff
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anyone else sell hte 6 hour ration NRs's ?

late oxide
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also water usage depends on how many seeds are planted. I had to go away for weekend and I left only 2 beds planted. I got 32 hours out of a full tank in grow room

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if you have all 3 beds planted you only get 24 hours of out of a full grow room tank

whole skiff
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whole skiff
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now to account for myself really 1 gas and 3 filters a day and 2 bags of and 2 bags of seeds a day.

surreal arrow
whole skiff
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your welcome.
also makes it good to where i have the plant. intel then take both profits and sub the costs.
a daily of 60825 aint bad

next idol
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nrs prices are buggy again

whole skiff
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I wouldnt sell any nrs in a bulk amounts meaning if you make the full 70
do not sell the 70 at once in the kiosk. I spam click the sale 70 times and watch to make sure each one is selling

next idol
# whole skiff how so ?

The price is swapping between 0/230/27 or whatever again. Sometimes when it shows 1890 they sell for <300 anyway

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Seemed like it was working fine before the last patch

whole skiff
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ah like how it was at the beginning.

next idol
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Righto

late oxide
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🤬

daring thorn
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I sold a bunch of nerds yesterday had no problem

stoic mica
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@here

Can I have y'all check @desert cradle 's work?

He made a sick lil calculator to see how many NRS' you can produce.
https://replit.com/@Sonzarelli/NRS-calc-v13?s=app

If you press the "< >" button it shows the code (as seen in attached video demo)
It shows that it is in-fact calculating a ton of costs you would incur (water filter, seeds, etc...)

But we need you guys to test it out and see what sort of values you're pulling vs what you're expected to get.

replit
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NRS calc v1.3

Run Python code live in your browser. Write and run code in 50+ languages online with Replit, a powerful IDE, compiler, & interpreter.

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I'm sure he would like feedback as well from you guys.

desert cradle
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The numbers aren't exact, I don't have some of the costs down, I couldn't find them but it should work overall? Maybe just not to the exact number. And the code itself is a little clunky

stoic mica
desert cradle
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if I got it working THAT fast I'll be stoked, when I get home I can try and test some of these values but until then I dunno what's up

unkempt wave
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@desert cradle BASE prices - NRS 4725. Gas Can 4985. TakistanSun Bag 132. Takistan Sun Seed 742. Water Filter 3735. Not sure what water tank fill cost is. Capacity is 1000 (not 10000) which is two water filters unless the other team comes in here and says otherwise. Another guy with trader level 1 got those market prices. Best sell price is 0.4 (40%) of base usually. For NRS that's Hana. Trader level affects buying cost with best discount 20% (0.8 base cost) at trader level 5.

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A) Not everyone is going to want to do max plants. I would probably leave it up to them to know how many plants they can plant and simplify that.

B) I would consider approaching the water usage differently. If you know the utility level, you know how much water you need per plant to grow to maturity. It would be a constant based on what InFish posted unless someone knows otherwise. See if I can get this right. Utility 1 is 1000 / 624 => 1.720 water per plant hour. Utility 2 is 1000/ 832 => 1.20 water per plant hour. Utility 3 is 1000/ 936 => 1.07 water per plant hour. Multiply that by 72 and you have your water costs per flower. 1 => 115.38 water per flower 2=> 86.54 water per flower 3=> 76.92
Since the bag is such a small cost, I would consider ignoring it, amortizing it into each seed, or do the proper thing and modulus your plants to figure out how many bags you need.

C) For water cost, just multiple water filter cost / 500 * total water usage. I don't know if the filter sells back but you can handle that pretty easily.

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I was not done. Stupid keyboard. Will edit above.

desert cradle
unkempt wave
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So if I say 20 plants @ utility level 2. That's 20 * 86.54 to get total water. Then just need to multiply by 3735/500. Need to account for selling the filter back. Do you take into account trader level?

desert cradle
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I don't, I've just been doing my own. Should I?

unkempt wave
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Depends on the customer requirements lol. It gets complicated because it's more than one trader.

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I just Jiri does it all for input items. You could take that into account.

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It's on the wiki but it goes 1, 0% 2, 2% 3, 5% 4, 10% 5, 20%

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It adds up

desert cradle
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Do you think it's worth adding?

unkempt wave
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Yeah.

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I think seeds, gas, and water are all sold at Jiri so you can just ask for one trader level.

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And multiply your costs according to the table above

desert cradle
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Yeah that's probably smart, I'm gonna simplify the code too, I don't like how it's formatted(?)

unkempt wave
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I don't know a whole lot of python but I can read it fine

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Assuming they are operating continuously, you can put the seed bag cost into the price of each seed assuming they aren't going to just do one grow and be left with a partial bag sitting out.

desert cradle
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Oh shit

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I think I did it, other than discount and gas I think I got the rest done

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How much would water cost over the course of 3 days at max?

unkempt wave
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That would be the shortest duration combination which is room level 3 and utility 2. 39 plants burning through 1000 water lasting only 21.3 hours.

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Only can do that at level 28 so it's a corner case

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Or rather, sane people upgrade at level 29

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39 * 86.4 => 3369.6 units of water over 72 hours

desert cradle
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Why utility 2?

unkempt wave
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less efficient. you asked for max cost

desert cradle
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I meant at max efficiency

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Like as upgraded as you can get, max plants, max everything

unkempt wave
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3000 units. tank lasts 24 hours with 39 plants at utility 3

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so 6 water filters

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have to take into account cost, discount, and selling the empty

desert cradle
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I'll go in game and try and figure all that out in a minute

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something is off with my costs rn

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At max everything, it output 677,721.9684

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profit**

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Is that right?

unkempt wave
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Gross income is 156 * 1890 = 294840

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Gas is constant regardless of plants

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water is based on plants

desert cradle
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The Mac you can make is only 294840??

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Max*

unkempt wave
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39 plants making 4 nrs per plant gives you 156 NRS. They sell for 1890 giving you just under 300k income. Still have to subtract costs.

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156 nrs

desert cradle
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Damn that's nothing, I thought you could make way more

unkempt wave
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You used to make 8 nrs per plant (or 6? or whatever. it got nerfed)

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It's a lot of labor considering the alternative is playing a video game

desert cradle
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Maybe that's what I remember

unkempt wave
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I seem to remember it was producing 5-6 million per month before

desert cradle
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should I not account for gas at all?

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I guess since it still costs money I should

unkempt wave
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I would include gas. But it depends on who is using it. Some people consider gas sunk cost for GPU mining. Earlier, I just meant the only calculation for gas was generator room utillity level

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I did a few grows. Did the calculations and how much of my limited time it took, and cut my generator off and walked away from the nursery.

stoic mica
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Yeah. It's very tedious. I don't play often enough to make it work for myself.

desert cradle
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It has now output 275,937 at max everything, it's much closer

desert cradle
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I got it

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I'm 99% it's accurate

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Unless the water is off, it's perfect

unkempt wave
# desert cradle Unless the water is off, it's perfect

Looks much better. This line: water_cost_per_unit = WATER_FILTER_COST / WATER_TANK_CAPACITY Cost is coming from the filter, not the tank, I think you are halving the water costs because of this error if it's an error.

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You can just multiply by 2 (number of filters per tank) or make filter capacity a const (500)

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I ran all ones as my first test case. I was confused at first by the seed cost. If there were some way to indicate there's seeds left over, that would be great.

desert cradle
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Yeah probably, I just got sick of it, I had a TON of problems with the whole seed thing

unkempt wave
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Maybe format all cost outputs as .2f

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referring to "including costs", "water filter" and "total"

desert cradle
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I think(

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?*

unkempt wave
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yeah that should fix it

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we know that use case 39, 3, x, x should have water cost of 6 water filters

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26 plants utility 1 should also have water cost of 6 water filters. they both run through a tank in 24 hours

desert cradle
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This seed rounding up thing is being a bitch

whole skiff
stoic mica
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Updated the link

desert cradle
stoic mica
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Great work sonz!

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Ooo

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12 now

desert cradle
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Use this, just incorporated leftover seeds

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I think the only bug is the water not properly being factored?

desert cradle
desert cradle
whole skiff
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Last med utility is at lvl 33 ?

desert cradle
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yes...?

desert cradle
whole skiff
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I just double checked.
Haven't been by the market in a bit as I know my next lvl is the armory 3.

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Also have been winding down production and such for Christmas holiday as I'll be away from VR

desert cradle
whole skiff
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It's a good thing I've been holding onto the product depending on how long it takes to lvl. Doing silo grinds I can only do a 10k raid if I'm the last alive

desert cradle
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Ehehehehe

desert cradle
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at your level, I think it's more profitable to sell actual product instead of NRSs

grizzled mesa
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ok good to know

desert cradle
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Still craft some cuz they're EXPENSIVE

grizzled mesa
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ik nrs are to much

desert cradle
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try and craft around 20k worth of NRS (they buy for 4400) then sell the rest (or product if your low level)

grizzled mesa
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yea im pretty low lvl

desert cradle
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In my opinion, that's the best of both worlds

desert cradle
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At max, you make around 270,000 every 3 days

grizzled mesa
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Thats a bit

desert cradle
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(if you sell all NRSs

desert cradle
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It's pretty good

grizzled mesa
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yeah it is quite a lot

desert cradle
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Yeah fs

grizzled mesa
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btw I never checked how much is in one bag of weed?

desert cradle
grizzled mesa
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like seeds

desert cradle
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Oh 10 seeds per

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But the market is kinda dumb

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Any storage item like that (Including mags) doesn't show you the price of the thing it's holding, each bag costs around 7,000

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Cause the bag itself is like 130

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But the seeds are 742 per

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So 10

grizzled mesa
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alright

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so thats why mags are more expensive

desert cradle
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Yeah

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It shows the price of the magazine itself, not the bullets in it

desert cradle
grizzled mesa
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also thanks for helping

desert cradle
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Course

desert cradle
whole skiff
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I'm hoping that I have enough time commitment to get through about 4 or 5 grows next month as I'll be moving in February.

late oxide
# desert cradle <@461344213553119233> I was totally off, I make 2,712,577 a month, DAYUM

converting 390 buds to NRS would take an eternity......I have found that converting "Takistan Product" to NRS is a tedious time consuming process (almost as bad as filling the grow room tank every day). Selling each bud for 4,800 is more effective for me. Every 3 days I can make 187,200 or 1,872,000 every month not includingoverhead (gas, water and seed)...vs 294,840 every 3 days or 2,948,400 every month. If I really need extra cash, I can spend the time to convert to NRS but I have not needed to do that yet.

desert cradle
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It's not profitable until your medblock is level 3

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So I don't either

desert cradle
late oxide
desert cradle
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Oops, I meant you make more profit selling patties before level 3 rather than crafting NRSs and selling them

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Right?

late oxide
desert cradle
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I just buy shit from traders when I need my money up

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But that's quite a bit

unkempt wave
# desert cradle <@1103836502464659487> is the water wrong? Is this good?

You went back to the old water formula. Water costs are half. 39 plants at max upgrade should be 6 * water filter cost. Just multiply by two. Some things to consider. Increase your water usage by hour precision. Do it to four or six digits of precision or more. You're calculating 3004 units when it should be 3000. Also, are you going to consider selling back empty containers?

desert cradle
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Oh shit I forgot to do that

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I coped the wrong bit of code from the past version

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COPIED*

desert cradle
desert cradle
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@unkempt wave Wait so how do I fix it? Do I just multiply whatever the value is in the end by 2? Does that work for every possible level?

unkempt wave
desert cradle
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I was thinking the values in " water_usage_per_plant_hour" were wrong

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Line 25

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What should the water usage be at lowest everything? (1 plant, 1 lvl rooms...)

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It should be 115.38 right?

unkempt wave
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I believe so yes. The water per flower value. I'm on mobile right now

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You can replace the constants with the actual formula if you want. It's in one of my first messages

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1000 / 624 * 72. 1000 / 832 * 72. 1000 / 936 * 72. Without the 72 for your values on line 25

desert cradle
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I'm also 90% sure It doesn't correctly account for how many minimum water filters needed

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How many units is 1 water filter?

unkempt wave
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500

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You're going to run into an issue with precision. If it calculates 500.0009 it will probably say 2 filters while the game calculates 1. You can try replacing those constants with the formula and get all the precision the data type offers and see if that makes a difference

desert cradle
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That's why I'm going to round to the nearest 500

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This is as much as I'm doing for rn, I'm so sick of programming

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It should be pretty damn close

stoic mica
# desert cradle It should be pretty damn close

I think Scuzzle brought up a good point today. Time is definitely a factor. What you did was amazing, but with the outputs can we factor in the time needed to grow and such?

Notes for future iterations... Sorry you're doing the brunt of the programming. I know very basic javascript and python. More of a UI/UX guy.

unkempt wave
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Time needed to grow is 72 hours. Are you talking like amounts per day or month or what? Time to deliver water and operate the NRS machine should be considered joyful gameplay and not a cost.

stoic mica
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Your last sentence cut me deep. 😂

I'm looking at this the wrong way ig

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Yeah... No need for a time factor

whole skiff
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at least with the Ragnar i can fill up the tank and try to keep extra bottles on the table.
its annoying that empty thermos sell for like 25 though

desert cradle
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That's pretty hard to factor, and it depends on a LOT of things

desert cradle
stoic mica
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I'll just add it as a disclaimer at the bottom that time issuch and such to grow

desert cradle
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Do you mean like, as a warning that you only get the money 3 days after?

stoic mica
desert cradle
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I mean I could just add something simple to the bottom, that ain't hard at all

stoic mica
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roger that

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yee

whole skiff
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I am also thinking of doing a segmented grow of 10 a day, as that will allow about 26 to 28 hours so i have a bit of time to where i can check once a day

desert cradle
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Doing 39 is a pain in the ass

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I really feel like my tank takes 3 water filters

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I've never filled it completely with 2

whole skiff
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#📷・tabor-media message

My stash for when i get back from travels, and yeah I got lazy refilling thermos's so now i have a ton of em. (soon will be a ton of canteens )

daring thorn
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Personally I would rather spend the time making the nerds 277k for 20-30 min of time to make them means im making just over 2.1 million a month gross (probably more like 1.8 after using some in raids)

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I also have a goal to make 20 mill this wipe so every penny counts.

unkempt wave
# desert cradle I've never filled it completely with 2

Filling it with just 2 requires no waste. Faucet refills 10 units of water at a time so the 35, 49, and 75 unit containers might be wasting water on each fill. Thermos should not be wasting any water. I tested filling containers before some people said things changed. Letting the water run also drains the filter so I'm wondering if the filling technique matters. It's not something I've run to ground. I guess the experiment to test if 2 filters are enough would be using partially filled containers to see if 2 filters are enough. You would have to drain your tank down to 0 before starting and keep the generator off so the plants don't use water. edit: you might could test it just by filling thermos up to the level before it's full and see how many you can fill. Or if the logging statements are still in, you could just count the number of water transfers

stoic mica
stoic mica
winged sand
stoic mica
exotic widget
desert cradle
stoic mica
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I need to brush up on python but yeah... I didn't need to do much

stoic mica
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Updated the site based on the new calculation that selling product is more profitable than NRS' at lower levels and lower yields. Great work @desert cradle

📎 NRS_javascript_v2.txt
whole skiff
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what is the cut off for that, utility 2 ?

devout kettle
stoic mica
unkempt wave
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Shouldn't selling brownie lump versus flower stick only depend on medblock utility level? You can look at my (deep breath in oh god please not another farming calculation page) work at the bottom of the nursery page. I made it so people could see how the numbers change in table form and how variables affect profitability.

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The cards are really stacked against new players. New players can make 21000 TK every 72 hours by just keeping their generator off. If they farm with the lowest progression set you're looking at low 5 digits income. A lot of work for what is essentially looting 3 laser sights in a raid.

stoic mica
unkempt wave
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I noticed that even when med utility was 2, the last output line was still saying to sell product. Even with inputs 3 3 3 3 it says sell product. Seems to tied to plant qty.

desert cradle
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Lemme see if my calculator does it

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Yeah, it's mine. I'll get it fixed

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@stoic mica make sure this checks out in your code

stoic mica
stoic mica
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ugh... my comparison logic isn't working out and the dom isn't getting updated with my javascript RAGEY
Gonna just revert to using your v14 for now... i'll figure it out and push it hwne i get it working

stoic mica
desert cradle
unkempt wave
# stoic mica Ok... let me know if this v2 works: https://www.ghostsoftabor.org/nrs-calculato...

I don't know what algorithm it's using. If medical is level 1 , you sell weed. If medical is level 2 or 3, you sell nrs. 2 x 1980 < 4800. 3 x 1980 > 4800. 4 x 1980 > 4800. Nothing else matters. I'm traveling so maybe I have something really wrong. Your calculator includes the number of plants into whether or not you should sell product instead of NRS. Just try combinations with few plants.

late oxide
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Should we be using the stated cost for Takistan seeds or the actual cost? If this was Walmart I would be getting those seeds for free….calling CWS customer service now.

unkempt wave
stoic mica
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I'll take a look see and maybe do a Calc based on per plant.

unkempt wave
stoic mica
# unkempt wave What work is needed to go from that python replit.com site to what you're doing ...

So I'm using google sites to keep costs "free" (Just need to pay for the domain).
There's no way to host a backend with files to call from or refer to like server-sided processing/hosting of data tables. It all has to live in that html doc.

I've just been converting your replit python to javascript and make it run in-line is all. Nothing external or internal run.

I think since you granted access to your econ data tables I can just slap those as variables make it something the javascript can read and call from and spit out what's needed. I'm having issues rendering things on the dom hidden/visible for NRSvsProduct sell when things aren't profitable but you can chalk that up to skill issue. I tried out your latest python here:
https://www.ghostsoftabor.org/nrs-calculator-v3

GoT (Unofficial) - NRS Calculator v3

Grow time is 72 hours in real-time per harvest.
Must have gas in generator + power must be left ON.
Water in the tank must be filled & continuously maintained at full levels so it does not run out of water. (More plants = Higher drain rate)
The calculator assumes you sell empty gas cans and used

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It's very broken for me lol... i might just hide from nav for now until i fix

rose basalt
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yup, monthly earnings are equal to per harvest earnings (cant post SS tho) but it should be (based on 30days months) 10x if done perfectly on the dot and not missing any harvest/planting cycle

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so motnhly profit is round 2.45 mill (and you get free month worth of crypto as fuel pays itself with plants calcs) just add 2.5korune par minute per card with max utility intel room

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so 3,600 koruna per day x 30 days = add 108,000 koruna per card per month profit to the calcs (granted once again, max everything)

unkempt wave
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Yes. GPU mining is pretty straight forward. It's a rate multiplied by time minus fuel costs. We are trying to get a NRS calculator hosted that takes into account trader level, inputs, and outputs. We have a python script but are currently trying to find either somewhere to host the script or convert it into something that will run on google sites for free.

whole skiff
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if you knew google docs / excell well enough could there be a way to use a method to have users input their info and have a clear output of different values

unkempt wave
whole skiff
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yeah it was an idea as their could be an input side on left then sections that break down the cost, profits, and such.
only hard thing would be a user understanding of the outputs
as the sun product vs nrs selling may be different as that would be harder to code

unkempt wave
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It's already coded.

whole skiff
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note to self dont overload the trade kiosk
about 20 to 25 meds ate by lag as i overloaded the kiosk

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put 20 on then 50 on and only could sell 30 of that 50 so i overloaded it

surreal arrow
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Would it be helpful to include water container counts to the calculator?

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I can add Javascript to Don's existing V3 or wait for V4 lol

unkempt wave
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like plants * water per plant / container size?

surreal arrow
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I was thinking:

72 / (Bottle Hour var (based on utility level)/ Number of plants)

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The Bottle hours will be based on 1 plant so dividing by the number of plants will give (bottle hours at X number of plants per type of conatiner)

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i.e.
72 / ( Blue bottle at level two for one plant [40.8 hours] / 10 )
-> 72/4.08
-> 17.65 or 18

stoic mica
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Yeah, i can see that being super useful as a secondary calculator to the right where i have notes currently. I'll try to work on that sometime next week though, uless you wana get started on it L'carpetron, DM me your gmail and i'll add you as a colabborator

surreal arrow
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Can do! I'm currently working on the java lang for the container calcs

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Or can do python if the workflow is already there

stoic mica
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sadly python doesnt jive w/sites.google. javascript is the move

surreal arrow
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Solid, I'll make it it's own page for now on my end to test but once it's ready I'll modify to inject into the current page

stoic mica
surreal arrow
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Absolutely! Crunching numbers is my jam, and a chance to dust off my javascript knowledge from undergrad is helpful haha

stoic mica
# surreal arrow Absolutely! Crunching numbers is my jam, and a chance to dust off my javascript ...

@unkempt wave & @surreal arrow

A few notes:

  • Google sites is very bare bones and can only run stuff on the DOM (look up jquery syntax), no backend/server hosting.
  • Check the embedded code calculator, copy the code and paste it into VScode or any IDE. Edit in your IDE of choice, and repaste it into the embedder code element to test live.
  • Feel free to make a new hidden page, publish, check the page and if it's good, unhide from navigation.
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surreal arrow
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Sweet!

unkempt wave
stoic mica
unkempt wave
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This version takes into account trader levels. But playing with the inputs you see how the output is heavily dependent just on number of plants and medical level. I guess not having to haul as much water is a plus.

surreal arrow
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I should have water container calcs input by the end of the week

surreal arrow
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I'm missing something here lol - I'm testing this as a new function under the NRS Calcs function, but It's not inputting to the span values where the rest of the outputs are

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Ohp ignore me

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I figured it out

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span values had the Id for themselves lmao

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  • frick still outputs 0
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Hidden under Carp - Testing NRS Calcs

surreal arrow
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hmmmm something is fundamentally wrong with my function - did a test on a clean sheet with 3 values and wasn't able to get an output that wasn't the starting value

stoic mica
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I'll look into it tonight

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keep grokin at it

unkempt wave
# surreal arrow hmmmm something is fundamentally wrong with my function - did a test on a clean ...

var wbValue = White_Bottle_Hours[utilityLevel];
var bbValue = Blue_Bottle_Hours[utilityLevel];
var thermValue = Thermos_Hours[utilityLevel];
var canValue = Canteen_Hours[utilityLevel];
var plantHours = numberOfPlants * 72;
var whiteBottles = plantHours / wbValue;
var blueBottles = plantHours / bbValue;
var thermos = plantHours / thermValue;
var canteens = plantHours / canValue;

you can simplify this further if you want. var whiteBottles = numberOfPlants * 72 / White_Bottle_Hours[utilityLevel];

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the only reason I had if statements is because I didn't want to figure out a 2d array in javascript when I'm tired.

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I wasn't sure what you were going for. I'm assuming you wanted to know how many bottles to fill up for that harvest

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totalWaterCost in my code was how much the water costs in TK. I don't think that's what you wanted.

surreal arrow
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Hmmm @unkempt wave so does the White_Bottle_Hours[utilityLevel] coordinate the values in the arrays? Each bottle is split into hours based on efficiency of utility level

unkempt wave
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Yes. The number inside the [ ] is the index.

surreal arrow
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Solid

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Thank you! Was figuring I was doing something backwards haha

unkempt wave
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If I had used a 2d array it would be like water[utility][trader] or such. but i just didn't want to do that

surreal arrow
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Gotchya

surreal arrow
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See it's been added to V3! Nice - the math checks out based on the chart I made awhile ago

stoic mica
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Amazing. You two work fast.

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I feel like v3 might be the best version... 😂

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We do a lil consolidating?

surreal arrow
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Sounds good!

stoic mica
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Made one more change, was getting green outputs on negative numbers so i threw in a final if/else statement at the end for the two profit outputs. Great work guys fingerguns

unkempt wave
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I didn't know if scuzzle's numbers matches mine. I threw mine in there as a sanity check for your work.`

surreal arrow
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Scuzzl3's numbers were on a different system, just used them to cross reference with known values! Everything matches up across your numbers, my numbers and scuzzl3s lmao

late oxide
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i sadly only have 1 power bank so far, started collecting after seeing a vid of yours

desert cradle
whole skiff
desert cradle
whole skiff
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a vid of scuzzzls and that hes been gifted some by others

whole skiff
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are there any differences to the water chart now ?

surreal arrow
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Slight adjustment to the Containers per filter (nothing changed in game) but should be the same