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trail perch
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yahhhh boys

neon leaf
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next should probably be Equipment

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alr made an attachments and an equipment page

trail perch
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honestly this is really comeing along

carmine palm
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drakefruit is da goat

quick rover
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legit told this man about this game a few days ago, he's been simping for it since

neon leaf
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:3

trail perch
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once crafting comes out we are going to have to make a tab for that

neon leaf
trail perch
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That looks good 👍

neon leaf
# trail perch That looks good 👍

https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Firearms_and_Ammunition re organized the page to add a table of contents

Ghosts of Tabor Wiki

Firearms and Ammunitions list is not finalized, changes and update will be made as the games lifetime progresses. Some Firearms may be missing as I "W.I.L.L" have compiled this list from steamed VOD's and media posted by the Team over at Combat Waffle Studios, many more updates are to come and any missing information will be filled in with the c...

trail perch
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That looks clean on mobile let me check desktop

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Hell yah thats looking good

neon leaf
somber rock
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Where’s the small red dot

quick rover
somber rock
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What it restores, how much it restores, and cost

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What else

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Hmm

neon leaf
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looking good

neon leaf
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didnt see it in the shop

somber rock
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Do we have top-down of the floors in silo?

neon leaf
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doubt it

somber rock
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I’m sure someone from CWS has them

neon leaf
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im definitely gonna rip the model and make a map out of it

somber rock
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And then if (when) we get them we should mark exfil points, major loot areas and stashes

neon leaf
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yep

empty kayak
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would it be possible to have the wiki browse-able in game, maybe at the shops or your hideout?

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could be handy.

opal needle
empty kayak
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ah, thought it was an official page. Fair enough

somber rock
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Who else has access to this channel?

opal needle
somber rock
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Great

trail perch
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holy shit i go away for an hour or 2 and we now have 12 pages

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holy shit

desert valve
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Epic, the Nerd Lore aspect to this is always wicked neat.

somber rock
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what are the 5 types of body armor?

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and I added a sale price category for the junk page

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so we need to get on that

paper garden
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Do we have an official name for the bosses?

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The micky mouse looking motherfucer

somber rock
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I do not

trail perch
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i think its like Kuvosh or something like that

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i would have to go back in someones vod to try and find the name, i know one of the streamers got killed by hem

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i think it was either whitty or stacks

iron raven
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Is there a discord mod or admin that might help with fandoms discord plug-in? (Assume yall want that accessible) https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/DiscordIntegrator

Fandom Developers Wiki

DiscordIntegrator allows integrating a Discord widget into your sidebar or content. The Discord widget is able to show all online users in a server, the users game activity, anyone in a voice channel and etc. If, after reading the documentation, you still don't understand how to set DiscordIntegrator up, read the step-by-step manual or watch the...

opal needle
trail perch
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Thank you @opal needle

chrome sonnet
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who is all working on the wiki

somber rock
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@trail perch is as well

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we should add sections about what you can do in your home bunker

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working on it right now

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can someone tell me what keycard colors correspond with their respective rooms?

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and what's the thing that makes bullets called? I might just call it a bullet crafter

neon leaf
somber rock
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I made a new page for the rooms, check it out

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Ghosts of Tabor Wiki

In your home bunker there are several rooms The server room is where you can turn in any items you have accumulated for a quest, sell items for koruna, and receive items you have bought from a trader. there are also storage shelves for miscellaneous junk, food, or other items. It is unlocked with the ____ keycard This is the room where you can s...

chrome sonnet
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role assigned for wiki workers

somber rock
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thank you scott

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oh that's cool

neon leaf
somber rock
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click the thing that says you work on it

neon leaf
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oh I thought it was manual my bad

somber rock
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it could be, idk

chrome sonnet
neon leaf
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ty

somber rock
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FF takes precedent over wiki, which takes precedent over OG

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interesting

somber rock
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no I don't mind

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I just think it's peculiar

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I honestly like the wiki role

chrome sonnet
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Okay

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It was done quickly

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So i may have just not dragged it above FF

somber rock
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thanks scott💙

iron raven
iron raven
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InFish did his part, this on wiki creator to add these cute things

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what do software folks do when they are bored 🤦‍♂️

neon leaf
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white background

chrome sonnet
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wiki order fixed

neon leaf
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fixed itself

trail perch
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i woke up for a litte bit then went back to sleep and now i have a new role, Thank you Scott for the new role and badge.

quick rover
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drake did not tell me we were getting roles gonna beat him, i did the consumables and machinery page if evidence is needed haha

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i will have to redo the bunker equipment since i forgot to save it bruh

trail perch
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God fandom wiki took me a day to learn, dosent really help thay i do this while im at work as well but ehhh

somber rock
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will, check out my page on rooms

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I'm missing the server room keycard color

trail perch
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Having a hard time getting to it on modile give me a moment to get to my pc

somber rock
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alright, just keep me posted

quick rover
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Ghosts of Tabor Wiki

The mag loader allows you to load mags with more ease, you simply insert your mag inside the machine and wait for it to fill your mag, to insert the bullets you will have to drop the bullets in the top of the machine in any way you would like and even leave the top filled if you want to, but do be careful as if there is remaining bullets and you...

somber rock
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can you tie those to the bunker room page?

neon leaf
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already is

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I think

somber rock
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you're wonderful

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how do I tie things in the wiki?

neon leaf
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just click the link button and search for the page to add

somber rock
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alright

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do the tec and mac have 20 or 30 round magazines?

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and what about the ppsh

neon leaf
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ppsh drum has 71 rounds

somber rock
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but there's also a straight mag right

neon leaf
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35 rounds

somber rock
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great

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tec and mac have 20 rounds each?

chrome sonnet
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MP40 is a 40 caliber im pretty sure

somber rock
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really?

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irl it's 9x19

chrome sonnet
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im almost positive it shoots a 40 caliber in real life

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9x19 is also a cunt hair difference from 9mm

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ill check project in a bit

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and confirm

trail perch
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sounds good

chrome sonnet
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building shaders

somber rock
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nope, it is in 9x19 IRL

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if it's in 40 in-game I'll change it to that

trail perch
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@somber rock bunker rooms and equipment look great

somber rock
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awesome

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I'm just gonna put in 20 round mags for the mac and tec

trail perch
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honetly everything we have so far looks awesome what we are really needing is pictures for items an equipment

somber rock
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yeah, we can grab those from traders though

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is there an extended STANAG mag?

trail perch
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not that i have seen in game but im sure there will be a 40 or 60 round mag at some point

somber rock
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ok, so I'll fill that out when it is added

trail perch
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yeh this is less of a project that is just get it up and let people use it, this is a project that will have to be maintained

somber rock
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yeah

trail perch
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i mean as we get more players in the game we may get more people adding content to the wiki making it a bit easier

somber rock
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for sure

trail perch
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then another issue comes up of moderation

somber rock
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yeah, which is why I wanted this to be a semi-private channel

trail perch
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im sure Drake can setup content moderators for the wiki page

somber rock
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@neon leaf?

trail perch
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yes

neon leaf
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yeah

somber rock
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I can probably maintain some presence on the wiki

neon leaf
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@somber rock@trail perch you now have admin

somber rock
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awesome, thanks drake

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that is the wrong will

neon leaf
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lol

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oops

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I clicked the right one but it somehow still corrected itself

somber rock
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nice

trail perch
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lol

somber rock
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is the FAQ in the wiki?

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we should fit the FAQ in

trail perch
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probably, also a wait to get in contact if needed

somber rock
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yah, something to open tickets with or something

iron raven
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Something I wanted to do next, get some official published stuff imported, assume there is a fandom js library for that, scrape their official page for content

somber rock
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solid

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you should be an admin as well

iron raven
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If you want, I'm haft0004, I'm trying to play with the neat/cute things at the moment. Fun to play with something new.

somber rock
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I don't have the power to do that, @neon leaf does

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he's the only one with bureaucrat powers rn

neon leaf
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did it

somber rock
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awesome, thanks man

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I have notifications for all messages for this channel btw, I would suggest you guys do similar

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also, lmk if I get too control freak-y

trail perch
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man at the start of yesterday we had 2 pages now we have 13

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way to go all

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i guess we should add the grenade for firearms and ammunition

iron raven
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*Add some qol changes to main page and some data dump from official page

somber rock
trail perch
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fair

somber rock
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@trail perch do you have access to all the vests?

trail perch
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no but i now what most of them look like

somber rock
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Alright, I can sell them tomorrow and see what they’re called

trail perch
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i would say there are 3-4 in game atm

somber rock
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Cause there’s 5

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What tf

trail perch
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where is this coming from

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oh yah

somber rock
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Bullets aren’t generally wider than their case

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Weird

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There’s something in .40 S&W in game?

trail perch
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i mean most mp40's now aday just use 9x19

somber rock
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The MP40 has generally been chambered in 9x19

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Or at least it should be

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I’ll reload it when I can

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I’ve got MP40’s as well, I’ll reload it tomorrow

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See what it takes

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It should be in 9x19 though

trail perch
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im fairly certin ingame atleast its 9x19mm

somber rock
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I’ll check tomorrow

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It should be in 9x19 though

trail perch
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I just realized this be we forgot a gun but im not 100% sure if its an ASVAL or a VSS either way its chambered in 9x39mm

static dagger
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Is this where i put war thunder leaked documents?

solemn thunder
heady pilot
solemn thunder
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^
What he said

somber rock
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Not SMGs

peak garnet
hot berry
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if i see the vss/asval get called an smg again i am going to lose my mind

hidden marlin
somber rock
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But we don’t have a PDW category

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Actually

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Hold on

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Remind me, is the P90 in game?

hot berry
trail perch
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i dont think its a pdw either

hot berry
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it's not

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technically an assault rifle

hot berry
trail perch
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it's something between a rifle and a dmr

somber rock
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It’s a weird CQB marksman rifle

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Which is an oxymoron

hot berry
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i wouldn't say dmr, it's chambered for 9x39

lapis bronze
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Isn't the AS VAL just the assault version of the VSS

somber rock
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They’re very similar, I can say that

somber rock
trail perch
hot berry
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asval = newer vss

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pretty much

somber rock
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More like a police marksman rifle

trail perch
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it was ment to be used a long range suppressed rifle

somber rock
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Than an assault rifle

hot berry
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to simplify, i would say rifle

trail perch
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yah im cool with that

somber rock
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That’s generally how it’s simplified

lapis bronze
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Does VSS actually have full auto or is it semi only?

hot berry
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an ar9 firing subs is still a rifle

somber rock
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Is that in 9mm?

hot berry
hot berry
somber rock
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That sounds right

somber rock
lapis bronze
trail perch
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im pretty sure then the version we have in game is the VSS

somber rock
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I’m pretty sure we have both

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Yeah, we do

lapis bronze
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VSS is 9x39 which is quite a bit longer than 9x19

somber rock
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H9 said we have both

trail perch
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oh perfect then there is no more guesseing " i must have missed that message"

lapis bronze
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I'd consider 9x39 worthy of being in rifle category

somber rock
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It is a rifle caliber

lapis bronze
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Oh I thought you were saying you wouldn't put it in rifle because it was 9mm

somber rock
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Or rather, an intermediate between a rifle and a pistol

somber rock
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If it’s in 9x19 I won’t call it a rifle

trail perch
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the ar9 is very clearly a 9x19m ar platform

somber rock
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Yeah, not a rifle

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Legally it may be a rifle, but I won’t call it such

trail perch
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it is and isn't it would be classified as a carbine

hot berry
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note to self: don't talk about classifications of guns, ever

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actually, just forget guns exist

trail perch
hot berry
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lol i know

trail perch
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we forgot the PP19-bizzon

hot berry
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for simplicities sake, just call it a rifle lmao

or go by the in game classifications labeled in the shop, which also calls it an assault rifle

somber rock
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61 round mag?

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I’ll get on it

trail perch
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ty

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things are all starting to click slowly the gears are turning

somber rock
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It’s in 9x19 right?

trail perch
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9x18 same as the mak

hot berry
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or go by the in game classifications labeled in the shop
honestly just follow this. won't confuse anyone that reads the wiki if they go to the shop trying to find the dmr carbine assault cannon otherwise known as the vss

somber rock
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Is the AR9 in game?

trail perch
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no not yet

hot berry
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not that i know of

somber rock
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Good

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Idc if they put it in rifles, I’m gonna put it in SMGs

hot berry
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blocked

trail perch
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but its not an smg

hot berry
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kidding lmao

trail perch
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its a carbine

somber rock
hot berry
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by extension making it a rifle

trail perch
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it has 1 fire mode semi

somber rock
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This is bs

hot berry
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blame the atf

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this is their fault

trail perch
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im having a good laugh

somber rock
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Do we have a model name for the sako?

trail perch
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no, atleast not that i know off

somber rock
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Ugh

hot berry
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isn't it the hunter87 or something like that

somber rock
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Idk

hot berry
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hunter something i could've sworn

somber rock
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Sako hunter 85?

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Uses an internal magazine

trail perch
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doesnt look to far off

somber rock
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No, but every sako rifle looks the same

trail perch
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fair

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even if we were wrong its so close

neon leaf
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yall realize you can just ask?

somber rock
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I’ll put it in

hot berry
trail perch
hot berry
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facts

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stumble around blindly trying to remember the names of the guns

somber rock
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K, take a look

somber rock
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Hey [insert dev here], can we get info on the vests/chest rigs and helmets so we can make a wiki for them?

trail perch
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@opal needle ^^^ what he said

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lol

somber rock
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I wasn’t sure which dev I should ping

opal needle
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I really don't have time for that

somber rock
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All good

trail perch
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all good

somber rock
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Will, wanna VC?

trail perch
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sure

somber rock
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You wonderful person

trail perch
heady pilot
somber rock
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Oh no way

trail perch
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you beautiful bastard

heady pilot
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Some parts on vests are changed and do not 100% same as IRL

chrome sonnet
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We will try and help when and where we can but dont expect quick responses like this. We are in the crunch times of game development and we have to focus

somber rock
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I’m well aware

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Focus on developing

trail perch
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100 thank you all for everything

chrome sonnet
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thank you all

somber rock
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You guys are rocking this

chrome sonnet
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great job on this

neon leaf
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ty

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we went through many YouTube videos to make this lol

somber rock
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You should just ask me to fire up the game, I’ve got access

trail perch
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me and spoon were just talking about getting some info in-game once open alpha starts

neon leaf
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I will be taking a lot of screenshots

trail perch
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i think we all will be

trail perch
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Just stumbled across this piece of content from Yorick that has some to be released guns https://youtube.com/shorts/Cf7FDXJKRhk?feature=share

Just a short clip from an upcoming video, subscribe to see it when it releases later this week!

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Games Website: https://ghostsoftabor.com/
Danny’s Comp Video: https://youtu.be/03Y-2nhEElo
Games Discord: https://discord.gg/TTNeSmzu5G

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somber rock
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How goes it @trail perch?

trail perch
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good just kinda chilling

somber rock
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Worked on the chest rigs?

trail perch
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not yet

somber rock
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Alright, I’m probably gonna hop on

trail perch
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probably should im jsut watching youtube

somber rock
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Do some offline so I don’t get smoked

trail perch
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that fair

somber rock
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Not now though

trail perch
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yah i found that clip from Yorick that has some guns that are yet to be released like the honey badger a 300blkout rifle and BAR is another gun i thing i saw

somber rock
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alr

trail perch
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M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle chambered in .30-06 springfield

somber rock
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that's just a BAR

trail perch
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yesir

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i have updated the helmets and chest rigs with names

somber rock
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you're wonderful

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post?

trail perch
somber rock
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solid

trail perch
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found another rifle we forgot, the L-95

somber rock
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nope, marked as the AWM

trail perch
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sir this is not an awm

somber rock
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oh

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that's an L85

trail perch
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sorry miss type

somber rock
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L85A2 as well

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gotta be specific

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A1's were a nightmare

trail perch
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got it added

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guns i see here in this clip that we do not have yet, Ump 45 or 9x19mm, honey badger, grease gun, m15, wooden foregrip Galil

somber rock
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I don't think there's an AK5C in game

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I'll check the store when I log on

trail perch
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its not release yet

somber rock
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then don't add it yet

trail perch
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this is from the video CWS let Yorick release 4 months ago

somber rock
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I'd still say hold off

trail perch
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fair

somber rock
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yc though

trail perch
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dude i have a sharp eye when it come to this stuff

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i am compiling a list though of all the guns i see

tulip relic
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handguard looks like a sg 551

somber rock
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nope

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not a part of the 550 series

trail perch
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it looks like a ak5c

somber rock
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it looks more like an ACR than something in the 550's

trail perch
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dont get me wrong this gun could just be a place holder

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and never come to the game

somber rock
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yeah, UMP 45, AAC honey badger, vectors in 45 and 9mm probably

somber rock
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I think it's an ACR or variant thereof

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but we'll see

trail perch
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we will see in time

tulip relic
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trigger guard looks off but it's a ak5c

trail perch
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here is a bit better of a picture from early alpha

tulip relic
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at least raised rail on top is identical

somber rock
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ah, I'll concede there

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That does look like an AK5C

somber rock
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if y'all would actually be helpful it would be great

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if you're gonna shitpost cause I admitted I was wrong, you're really not helping at all

peak garnet
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(Ok im done-)

trail perch
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i mean we really dont have to much info to gather atm as we cant test thing, i will agree the shitposting should be at a minimum so actual info can be given

chrome sonnet
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this isnt all of them, but its the few images i prepared in the past.

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thats all i got for now. will post more in the future

somber rock
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guess we've got our work cut out for us then

trail perch
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Scott you beautiful bastard

somber rock
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the uzi is not an ump though

chrome sonnet
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just messed up text

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i made these in a day months ago

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deal with it

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or i can delete them all?

trail perch
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there is more stuff here then when i was able to find sifting alpha footage

somber rock
chrome sonnet
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there is stuff there not even shown publicly

somber rock
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no kidding

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isn't this a public channel?

trail perch
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well now it is

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ahah

somber rock
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I still think this should be a private channel

trail perch
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i don't disagree

somber rock
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I can't enforce that though

trail perch
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but this is the channel they setup for us

somber rock
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exactly

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and there might be some sensitive confidential material passed here

somber rock
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so, private channel

trail perch
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its up to the devs to change it

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i mean it could be there way of leaking info to people as well

somber rock
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they'd do that through twitter or other announcements no?

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whatever, their call

trail perch
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matters how big of a leak

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real fans are in the discord

somber rock
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that would be outside of their better interest

trail perch
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people like me and you

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people outside are going to be excited to see an gun or two be leaked

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the want the big content

trail perch
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Updated as many firearms with pictures of guns in game as possible https://ghosts-of-tabor.fandom.com/wiki/Firearms_and_Ammunition

Ghosts of Tabor Wiki

Firearms and Ammunitions list is not finalized, changes and update will be made as the games lifetime progresses. Some Firearms may be missing as I "W.I.L.L" have compiled this list from steamed VOD's and media posted by the Team over at Combat Waffle Studios, many more updates are to come and any missing information will be filled in with the c...

somber rock
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Great. I’m going to sleep

trail perch
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rest well

iron raven
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Gruber? Every other gun got a real name, no love for the Ruger Mk I?

trail perch
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im just going off of what Scott gave us

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his game his name

iron raven
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I hear you, super fun little pistol, have one myself

trail perch
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.22 are fun no matter what

iron raven
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sadly the Mark 1 only has 9 round mag, but whos counting

trail perch
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honestly i would love to see some more love for the 22lr maybe one of these

iron raven
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have two of them, just make sure it has a squirrel engraved in the stock, for nostalgia

trail perch
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lol those go for some decent money up here

iron raven
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for a few decades that was the standard stock, nothing custom, just marketed to kids is all

trail perch
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we didnt have then up here in BC Canada so the only way to get it was at a mark up or having it passed down from family in the US

iron raven
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hand me down is where I got most my random arsenal, only bought two, M1 garand, M1 carbine

chrome sonnet
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it is called the Mark III

somber rock
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Awesome. I’ll get on it

lapis bronze
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I can no longer steal all the assets and make a 2D platformer 😔

somber rock
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Hmm. I was unable to get anything out of it. Ah well

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Again, private channel so people don’t steal stuff?

scarlet plover
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can i play got with oculus rift s?

hidden marlin
scarlet plover
# hidden marlin Yes

is the open alpha free for everyone, do I have to apply, or is a pre order necessary?

lapis bronze
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Apply on Steam and you'll receive access when it starts

scarlet plover
lapis bronze
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Yea once open alpha ends you'll need to buy it

scarlet plover
# lapis bronze Yea once open alpha ends you'll need to buy it

i have like one question about movement mechanics or crouch/prone mechanics. What happens when a user who doesnt have a body tracking suit tries to crouch or go prone? Like for crouch, does the game detect that and holds a little crouch pose instead of weirdly bugging. Same goes with going prone, does the game detect it and puts the player in a prone pose/animation?

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If not then I think that would be a cool feature

peak garnet
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you'll probably get more help there too

scarlet plover
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and that is where? don't see the channel...

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alright yeah had to "accept" the rules first sorry

peak garnet
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Oh, there ya go

somber rock
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Now this is a public channel?

opal needle
somber rock
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Thanks

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I’d ask to extend that to only wiki role, but that’s just me

lapis bronze
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Not really a fandom wiki if you lock the fandom out of discussing it

somber rock
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Only for the sake of the potential info getting passed here

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Like the massive folder Scott sent

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Which he also promptly deleted

iron raven
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@somber rock @trail perch @neon leaf
Believe the Wiki is still hidden from the search index, think it wants to use complete more of these tasks. Some will come with progress, other might need admin specific changes on our part. (See Admin Dashboard in top right 3dots menu)

iron raven
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*not sure how the Facebook task works, dont want to share my FB, so maybe someone needs to cheese this task

iron raven
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@quick rover One of the tasks needs another user, I don't see your on the edits, so I assume you've been editing without logging in (shows an IP). Create a login for fandom next edit 🙂

quick rover
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done (:

iron raven
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Edit user profile, find it in lower left as a user icon -> view profile
From here click Create (where the edit button normally is)

**I left everyones blank, be creative if you want

iron raven
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Any CWS folks want to create a user too, so you can maintain some order if trolls come along someday down the road while no one is looking.

quick rover
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awesome done

trail perch
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any new updates boys?

neon leaf
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I might reword the game mechanics section of the front page

trail perch
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that fair

iron raven
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Be a good time to clean stuff up, like putting templates for things together, more images, fine tune mobile experience

neon leaf
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ye

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soon as I get the game I'll get into the real small details about the game

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health, ballistics values, etc etc

iron raven
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someone want to add a navigation item that links to all the official pages, got/cws/twitter/discord/facebook

neon leaf
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one of the first things I'm gonna do when I'm finished playing a session is rip the .pak file so I can get nice pictures

neon leaf
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added images from the Twitter post to the island of Tabor section

trail perch
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did one of you ask for the images of the equipment to be posting again cause i have them and can send them to you if you wish

somber rock
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I did

trail perch
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i got you

trail perch
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added the UMP 45, FN57, G36k to the Firearms list

somber rock
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fantastic

trail perch
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Added sks 50 Round Drum (loot) to the firearm page

iron raven
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next up stripper clips! (but not really)

trail perch
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no luckily enough the comes with the 20 round mag

iron raven
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Indeed, unless the mosin or other bolt actions that take stripper clips are added, would be alot of work for a throw away gun.

trail perch
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atm i could see it being used for the Sako but not much else untill more gets added

iron raven
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Not familiar with the Sako, but looks like a modern hunting rifle that assumes a scope, not a classic military rifle that rarely held optics, just wanted more lead.

somber rock
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Can we get a quests/vendor page? I’ll be streaming later so someone can record them

trail perch
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i think that may be a little difficult to document, as im pretty sure the quest are semi randomized

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vendors for sure should be setup under the market page

somber rock
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They’re set quests within a merchant

neon leaf
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I made it a while ago

somber rock
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Awesome. I’ll try to get you guys the quests

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At this point traders sell different stuff, they don’t sell everything

trail perch
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updated the firearms wiki with the silo bosses auto SKS and tagged 50round sks drum as boss loot

trail perch
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Added 50 round drum (loot) for M1A SASS

urban bison
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Any idea if the m4 will have a drum mag

trail perch
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no idea but im sure it will come in the future

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it would be weird to have the akm family have a 6 rounder but not the m4

iron raven
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Wont let me cheeze this task, need more editors grr

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Someone new recently added a location, pulled out an old tweet, sweet looking map

somber rock
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Do we have island yet btw?

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And when I get back I want to load the quests into a page

iron raven
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yes, but think its missing the latest teasers images

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might want to load them into their own pages, so they can be tagged to both a location and trader (speaking to the choir, as you're our source expert atm)

somber rock
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I think a trader page (type of good, leveling system etc) and a quest page (traders, how much rep and koruna they nab you) should suffice

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Unfortunately, again, 3000 miles away from my VR

iron raven
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Everything will change of course come open-alpha, not sure what they will be pushing for testing

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Fun part of developing, bloat your software with traffic for that excessive capacity and see what happens, just short of a real ddos attack.

somber rock
iron raven
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🐟

opal needle
somber rock
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I figured as much

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Knew that leveling was gonna be a bitch as well

opal needle
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yeah it's waaaaaay too easy right now

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which is good for testing

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You guys will have so much fun figuring out that purchase prices of items change when you level up, and getting the sell prices of items to every single trader varies kek

somber rock
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I’m sure

iron raven
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assume the biggest changes is yall playing with the $$ dial on your ec2/d3/dynamo and scaling within figuring out your own costs

somber rock
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Not to mention additions to the game

iron raven
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My company e-suite, move to the cloud they said, it will be cheaper they said.... 🤣 💸

opal needle
iron raven
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certainly some of the newer stuff we write take that ideal aws workflow. But our old stuff was written monolithic style for days past. Biggest problem Oracle, so anything is better than their price hike, Azure or AWS prices got nothing on that monoploy/hostile take over of our data.

opal needle
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Nothing beats Oracle pricing 🤣

iron raven
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sucks when you figure a super sweet query to solve your needs in .1ms, to see that you need to the enterprise edition to run it, fml 10 queries and massive local cache and processing here i come!

opal needle
iron raven
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(we are... our migration isnt going as fast as needed, that was the quoted backup plan)

atomic vigil
vast wolf
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how many recoil grips are planed

trail perch
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ive seen 3 or 4

vast wolf
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a horizontal grip ?

trail perch
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2 horizontal one vert one angled

vast wolf
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niceee

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thanks will

trail perch
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np

vast wolf
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is the fal planed

trail perch
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from the info i have collected i have seen a Fal but i have no idea when it will be in game

vast wolf
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are there muzzles in the game

trail perch
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atm only suppressers

vast wolf
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do suppressers do anything besides make the gun quiet and flash

trail perch
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not sure, we don't have stats for anything atm

vast wolf
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so is there gameplay of the fal or no

trail perch
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not that i have seen

vast wolf
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ok

trail perch
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based on the current conversation im having with Doom the H&K G3 i have on the wiki may actually be a Cetme which is based on the Fal so there may kinda be a Fal in game

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its so hard to say as they are so similar

somber rock
somber rock
vast wolf
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extended mags for ARs are confirmed right

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and the FN FAL is confirmed I've seen a photo🥹

trail perch
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P90 has been added to the wiki

hollow wasp
trail perch
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added the Zenit RK-1 foregrip to the attachments page

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Dangit @neon leaf you got me in detective mode to see what i can spot on @full crest ack bench of attachments

neon leaf
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:3

trail perch
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added the Fortis Shift to the foregrip attachment page

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added the EO-Tech 2x-4x with magnifier to weapons attachment page

full crest
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Hahaha yeah when I'm home today I'll try to get you a screenshot!

trail perch
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❤️

somber rock
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I’m gonna jump on soon

trail perch
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sounds good

teal gust
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where do I find this wiki

teal gust
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thabks I tried finding it

trail perch
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it is also pinned

teal gust
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ohh

trail perch
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unfortunately we need to add more pages for it to be live

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so right now its private

karmic nymph
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how are the guns sorted on the wiki

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I need to know

paper garden
karmic nymph
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I cant figure it out 😭

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It dont make sense

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Is it just order they added them

karmic nymph
paper garden
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I think so, yes.

karmic nymph
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cause thats last smg

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yeah

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I see now

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My mind is at ease

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lmao

neon leaf
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I feel like they should be alphabetical

trail perch
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Listen here bub i have been adding guns as i find they are found in game i have a lis of 27 more that are currently not available in game and i do this all well i am at work taking phone calls

neon leaf
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sort them

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by

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alphabetical

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order

trail perch
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I don't see why you couldn't do that as well drake

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Actually i dont think we should do it alphabetically, i think the firearms should be sorted by ammunition types as that would keep guns in the same family of ammunition together

neon leaf
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type, ammunition, alphabetical

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could probably make sub headers for ammunition

trail perch
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So just to clarify are we wanting to re-write the page starting with ammo type>gun name alphabetical>mag and capacity> gun image?

neon leaf
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it would be sorted like smg heading > 9mm subheader > table > alphabetical sorting

hushed nebula
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id be interested in writing real wiki software for this game lol, not just fandom

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fandom kinda donkey doodoo

trail perch
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Fandom wiki is pretty shit but it is what it is

neon leaf
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if you know html you can customize it however you want

trail perch
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Unfortunately i am not versed in html so thats off the table for me atm

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But it is getting late here for me im going to sleep and will update the firearms and ammunition page tomorrow

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As long as its not a rush thing

hushed nebula
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i can do a little customization if needed, just ping me

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or dm me

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im a programmer by trade

trail perch
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Right now the wiki is in a really rough shape just cause most of us don't have access to the game and cant get proper in game images or proper counts

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And lets not even start on damage numbers and ballistic protection of armor

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This is a labor of love

hushed nebula
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mhm

lapis bronze
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Is there no information on traders at the moment? The drop downs don't reveal anything

desert valve
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WE NEED TO KNOW IF JIRI IS GAY

lapis bronze
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Truly invaluable information

desert valve
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In the future, there will be a set of tasks to deliver letters between him and his lover. It will also be revealed that his lover died months ago, manually setting off the nuke that triggered the whole event. So who was writing these letters?

eternal sage
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Oh, reminds me of that mission in outriders, where you deliver an old man's letter to his daughter on the other side of a dangerous zone and find out that people were faking the daughters letters to the old man

lapis bronze
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I'm Jiri's lover

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Popcorn lore expanded

eternal sage
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Pretty sure that's inflation

somber rock
lapis bronze
trail perch
lapis bronze
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Ah

trail perch
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starting on updating the firearms page

somber rock
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There haven’t been many additions

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If I stream you can grab screenshots

trail perch
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no just sorting the wiki atm

somber rock
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Ah, gotcha

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I’ll give it a look

trail perch
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i think we should just wait till Alpha so we can get more crisp images

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you know what, no images for now not until we can get them in game

somber rock
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Fair enough

trail perch
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i really don't want to make extar work

trail perch
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ok firearms have been sorted by caliber and then alphabetical for name, images removed for the time being until we can get ingame images

mellow chasm
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I need to find this wki

neon leaf
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pinned message

trail perch
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if ever needed its in my bio as well

mellow chasm
trail perch
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❤️

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i honestly cant wait to add the weapon damage

karmic nymph
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yeah true

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This wiki is gonna be fire once the open alpha comes out

karmic nymph
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gah damn

somber rock
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I should figure out how to stream GoT to twitch

neon leaf
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figure out?

trail perch
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its not to hard at al

somber rock
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ok

lapis bronze
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Shouldn't be any different to streaming on discord

neon leaf
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just use obs

lapis bronze
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Except you need obs

neon leaf
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ye

trail perch
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thats how i do it

somber rock
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I have very mixed experiences with OBS

neon leaf
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I recommend getting the plugin that captures one application at a time instead of everything

lapis bronze
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Same tbh, sometimes it wants to work sometimes it doesn't

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I found it worked fine for streaming it's just recording it wanted to fuck me over with

trail perch
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its built in

neon leaf
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is it

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I don't have it

trail perch
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yesir

somber rock
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new update apparently

trail perch
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spoon if you want to sit down at a point in time i would be happy to assist you in getting setup

somber rock
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thx

trail perch
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np

lapis bronze
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Yorick's YouTube streaming is probably the same as what you'd do for twitch so you could always just ask him

hidden marlin
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Yeah, I just specify specific applications. I use Streamlabs rather than OBS though

lapis bronze
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I didn't realise they were different things lol

clear mural
hidden marlin
neon leaf
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@somber rock @trail perch

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wiki is doing good

somber rock
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Indeed

trail perch
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i know at one point the Wiki was "private" anyone that wanted to see the wiki had to see it via the link, is it now public?

somber rock
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Pretty sure yeah

trail perch
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cool

somber rock
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Can people edit though

trail perch
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i think so but its setup that they have to sign into an account to do so

somber rock
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I dislike that. It should change so that only ordained people can edit

trail perch
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i think drake would need to change that

neon leaf
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I think it's fine as is

somber rock
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Just write as follows: specter sells guns, minty sells armor, marek sells junk, merchant of death should sell guns as well

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Hospital of tabor sells medical supplies

neon leaf
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need a list of what specifically

somber rock
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Link specter to guns

neon leaf
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eventually we'll have to make a page for every single item

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with links to each page from the pages that list them

somber rock
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Ugh dammit

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We don’t need to link everything

neon leaf
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I'm fine with doing it

iron raven
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It's sign only, but as administrator we have to approve stuff when new folks add, or at least will see red marks in change log waiting for review

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Certainly lock main pages after it's more finalized

static sinew
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I've gotten interested in the game and might help out with the wiki, if needed. I currently admin on the Tarkov wiki and I'm pretty big into VR, so this is right up my alley. LMK if any help is needed.

trail perch
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it honestly comes down to if the dev notice you being an active member of the community and assisting with info on the wiki, right now the wiki is open to edit as long as you have signed into an account, we recommend that if you do make any updates to the wiki post here what you have changed

static sinew
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I'll be sure to add notes to my edits so my changes can be easily seen on the revisions page, but since the wiki is small atm I can see how posting here as well would be helpful. I'll be sure to do so!

trail perch
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atm there isn't all to much to add as most of us here on the wiki team dont have access to the atm "1 person on the team has access" but with open alpha and release just around the corner there is sure to be a boom of content to be added

static sinew
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Don't have access to what?

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The game itself?

trail perch
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that is correct

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only one of our members has access

static sinew
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Oh, yeah that's not a problem.

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At first I thought you meant only one person had access to the revisions page and I was like

trail perch
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No no wall the current members of the wiki team have access to that

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😂

static sinew
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What do you think
Current:

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My proposed edit:

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(Not yet applied)

trail perch
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I was actually just looking at that

static sinew
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Brings the images in line with the factions and reduces overall page size

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I could throw them on the left too

trail perch
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Personally i think the left would look visually better

static sinew
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I had to play with the sizing a bit because the images are all natively different sizes and aspect rations. I kept them at their native ratios. Want me to apply the left-side images edit?

trail perch
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What time zone do you happen to be in @static sinew

static sinew
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EST (Ontario, Canada)

trail perch
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Ahhhh another fellow Canadian "B.C."

static sinew
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You good with me applying the Factions page edit?

trail perch
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Yep looks nice

static sinew
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Cool. Applying now.

trail perch
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Atm most of the stuff to be added is images they still need to be taken and i plan on doing a ammunition vs armor chart as well

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Ammo is simplified compared to trakov as of the moment

static sinew
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Since this wiki is just starting out, it would be good to get some good practices in the door from the beginning. Having all the images sensibly named helps a ton in the long run. For example, the three current Patch image names are
Image 2023-02-10 162419763.png (Ghosts)
Volk Faction Patch.png (Volk)
Fenix Faction Patch.png (Fenix)

It can make editing annoying when you have a dozen images that are number strings and you don't know what's what in the source. If they're named intuitively, like the Volk and Fenix patch, you wouldn't even need to reference the image page to find what it's called when adding it to another page either

trail perch
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Did i really forget to rename the ghost patch 😳

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I did

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Yah im pretty sure for all of us that are currently on the wiki team this is our first time so some of the stuff may be slapped together kinda haphazardly

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More then half the time im doing all of my edits in-between calls from work

static sinew
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It can always be reuploaded with a new name, it would just need to be updated on all the pages it currently exists on as well. Not a problem

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I might do it in a min

trail perch
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If you do thank you very much

static sinew
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Slightly reworded the beginning of the faction descriptions to include whether they're player and/or NPC controlled.

trail perch
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sounds good

static sinew
neon leaf
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main thing we need is a better home page

static sinew
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I noticed that too. It's not great for navigation at the moment

neon leaf
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similar but not too close to the tarkov home page

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this looks really nice

static sinew
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Thanks, I did some of it XD

neon leaf
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damn

trail perch
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honestly we need some art for those, i know the ones from Tarkov are taken from there skill progression systems but we dont really have anything like that in Tabor

neon leaf
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yeah

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we will figure something out

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what should be the color scheme

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does this work?

static sinew
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I was thinking about waiting for the game to release then I could see what images are available in it

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On the 20th

neon leaf
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theres not really any images available in game

trail perch
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we could how ever do some crops of stuff around the base

neon leaf
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yeah

static sinew
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Eh. It would be better to have simple/stylised icons.

neon leaf
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or use generic icons

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yeah

trail perch
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yah i dont disagree

static sinew
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If you guys want to test out how pages will look before posting them, you can setup a sandbox page for yourself

neon leaf
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this has everything lol

static sinew
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Are those creative commons?

neon leaf
static sinew
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Nice

trail perch
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yah those would work

static sinew
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Ugh I was struggling to get a gallery to display the way I wanted and I just learned that pure FANDOM wiki's, unlike Gamepedia based ones, use different syntax.

neon leaf
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lol

static sinew
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Locations page current:

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Proposed:

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Look good?

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I just changed how the galleries displayed and broke down the quad Bozidar image into 4 separate images

somber rock
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Who are you?

static sinew
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Orbb!

somber rock
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Hello Orbb

static sinew
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Like, do you want to know my background?

somber rock
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A little, sure

static sinew
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I've been admin on the Tarkov wiki for 5-ish years, I help moderate the Discord for the wiki and the official Discord for the game as well. Also do a bit of game localization edits to make the RUS -> ENG translation read better. ~3.7k hours in Tarkov
I'm also a big VR gamer and have thousands of hours on my Index and am very supportive and interested in new proper VR games. I saw VR + heavily inspired by Tarkov looter-shooter and it caught my attention. Thought I would get behind it and help out.

somber rock
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I think you would be a fantastic asset to the wiki

static sinew
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Oh, and I like poutine. Poutine is delicious. Too bad it basically doesn't exist for those outside of Canada...

somber rock
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Noted, but irrelevant

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Hey @opal needle, can you tag this guy with wiki?

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Thank you

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Welcome to the team @static sinew

static sinew
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Oh, thanks!

opal needle
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Done, @static sinew welcome to Tabor, I have no doubt your expertise on the tarkov wiki will be a huge help for the Tabor wiki and the Tabor community!

static sinew
somber rock
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I’ll be streaming soon if you want to see anything in game

trail perch
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Welcome to the wiki team

static sinew
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I applied that Locations page edit

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Depending on how much information is going to be added and written about each location, it might be best for each location to have a separate page and have "Locations" be an overview page with only important and simplified information. Since there's really only one map at the moment, it's not a problem. Might be down the road, could get messy.

opal needle
neon leaf
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also gonna have a page for every single item lol

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could you set up a template for items?

static sinew
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Might be easier once I have my hands on the game itself to properly understand and gather all the relevant stats for items, but yeah, I can do it

neon leaf
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stats should be similar to tarkov

static sinew
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We should change the Favicon of the wiki to something unique. The Favicon is the icon displayed next to the tab or favourite name

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Any ideas for what it could be?

opal needle
static sinew
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Oh yeah that would work if you're ok with that. Thanks!

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Also; I did a quick edit to the main page of the wiki to remove the (weirdly oversized) table of contents. Main pages shouldn't have it

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When an admin is around, please download this image (I converted it to PNG from the JPG above so it's compatible), click the three dots in the top-right of the wiki and select "Theme Designer"

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Then, you can upload the Favicon graphic

hushed nebula
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if any of you need a programmer for anything please contact me

static sinew
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Thanks for the offer Must, I'll keep it in mind :)

whole tide
hushed nebula
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index pages can be "finalized" and locked no issue

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probably for the best

whole tide
whole tide
hushed nebula
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locking other pages doesnt make a lot of sense tho, not sure the current status of the wiki

static sinew
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@opal needle Would you be interested in this wiki getting the "Official Wiki" status on Fandom? That would mean it gets a neat badge like this, showing it's endorsed by the developers, and I believe you get access to the sites analytics, such as page view count, top search terms, and more. I could reach out to a Fandom staff member if you (or somebody else on the team) are interested in talking with them about it.

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Oh, and it kinds point to people "This is the main wiki! Not those other dozen one-man projects!"

opal needle
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We are absolutely fine with it being the official wiki, but staff will not be moderating it.
It will remain a community made wiki.

static sinew
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Yup! I wouldn't expect you to do any moderation

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If there ever were any requests though, I'm sure we wouldn't have a problem with accommodating them.

opal needle
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Same reason we don't moderate reddit, we got a game to focus on 😂

static sinew
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Heh

hushed nebula
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id like to put out there the fact that fandom is not a great wiki software and at some point the wiki should switch over to something better, something to allow more freedom and not have the issues that fandom has like ads and being confusing as hell, not a pressing issue but it should be considered, fandom wikis tend to push users away especially users on bad connections and mobile phones.

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to inexperienced users it can be counterintuitive at times

static sinew
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I am very, very, familiar Must

whole tide
hushed nebula
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its just something to consider

static sinew
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Even looked into making the Tarkov wiki independent for a while

hushed nebula
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fandom is not the final solution it cant be

opal needle
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Sure it can, many games use it, it's easily available

whole tide
hushed nebula
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and also a pain to maintain

static sinew
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Oh, and an FYI, Muhawi is another admin on the Tarkov wiki

somber rock
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Noted

hushed nebula
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oh neat

static sinew
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I would say he's the "Main" admin for it

somber rock
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Do you wanna get them on the team?

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Hey muhawi, wanna work on another wiki as well?

whole tide
static sinew
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We've talked with some of the Fandom staff and they've been receptive to reducing the number and obtrusiveness of ads

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It's much better than a few years ago

whole tide
somber rock
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Fair enough

whole tide
static sinew
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Yup!

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If you're signed in, basically no ads.

opal needle
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The biggest issue I see with not using fandom, is that it cannot be allowed to hosted by a single community member.

It has to be a publicly available wiki service to remain community driven

whole tide
static sinew
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Self-hosting is a whole bag of worms

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We looked into it and consulted with the Runescape wiki about how they did it and decided it wasn't the best solution, at least for us

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Positives and negatives to it

opal needle
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Self hosting would only work if hosted by CWS itself, and we won't be spending any time or resources on a wiki for now.

It will remain community driven

static sinew
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Sounds good to me Fish

hushed nebula
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theres quite a few things, one is that the index page is unorganized and unsorted which can make it a pain to navigate, the next is that there is no comprehensive navigation for the whole wiki at all which is a very very good thing for games, new ammo is added? great, just add it and people can see that. Fandom also isnt exactly user friendly, the topbar with dropdowns is unfamiliar, it isnt good for people on bad connections or cell phones and its overall very cluttered and cramped, and a big thing is it just doesnt look nice, you have this big out of place yellow sidebar (which doesnt provide any real utility except for a small number of avid users) and you have useless popups. Its not that its bad inherently its just there are better options if you can look past the issue of self hosting a wiki

static sinew
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@opal needle I reached out to HeyTots#0001, the Fandom point of contact for getting wiki's the official status. He might reach out to you (though he's afk at the moment)

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whole tide
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That's not a fandom issue, just a "we need to make it better ourselves" issue

whole tide
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3.The sidebar is part of the global navigation to link users across different things in the Fandom network, and i can understand people don't like it

hushed nebula
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the issue is that nothing is organized categorically, and when things are its done by hand

static sinew
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@whole tide Is the color of the sidebar based on if you're logged in/out, or is mine just purple because I have some night-mode set? I can't remember :p

hushed nebula
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most users will be bright yellow

whole tide
trail perch
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Ouch i felt that no hurt feelings though all of us onvthe wiki team are rookies compared to orbb and muhawi

static sinew
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I was planning on getting categorization setup once I could get hands-on with the game myself

hushed nebula
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thats not how it has to be

lapis bronze
hushed nebula
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i dont know why youre arguing against making maintainence easier

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there are things fandom does well

whole tide
static sinew
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What sort of categorization system do other wiki hosts have that's automatic? I'm not very familiar with how others work

hushed nebula
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why are you directing this at me? im just posing the issues that are inherently there with fandom

lapis bronze
hushed nebula
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which is a valid argument

static sinew
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I'm just used to adding it manually, which isn't a big deal

whole tide
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Not everything at Fandom is "perfect", but what you mentioned besides the Sidebar are "issues" on the Wiki not with Fandom

hushed nebula
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saying "lol ur bad" isnt a valid argument and isnt constructive

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im saying there are BETTER solutions

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not saying that fandom isnt good enough

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im saying the issues it has drives away new maintainers and users

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im saying this from experience with good wiki software

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wiki systems that inherently does things different in a better way

opal needle
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what other public wiki host is available which works better @hushed nebula ?

hushed nebula
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that is something that i would have to look into

whole tide
static sinew
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I'm used to what Gamepedia/Fandom has since I've worked with them the past 5-ish years, but if there's a better solution I overlooked I'd be up for hearing it out

whole tide
static sinew
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A nice Pro I have with Fandom is I'm experienced with it and can get support from their staff with any questions or issues I have, which I don't think I would readily be able to do with other hosts

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I do understand the reservations though, we had them as well when Gamepedia was being bought out

whole tide
hushed nebula
# whole tide Out of the 3 "issues" you mentioned 1 isn't an issue with Fandom but a "local wi...

if you want to by hand support the index page thats ridiculous and inefficient, im not saying any software in specific i am saying that there are better options that do exist, if youd like i could send you an example of a website using private wiki software that does do what i am explaining, having a categorical organization system instead of a bunch of floating pages which hyperlink to eachother :)

whole tide
hushed nebula
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ok

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and

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the ghosts of tabor wiki has 8 different types of items

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guns, ammo, food, armor, junk, ect

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right

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those can be automatically sorted

opal needle
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we have more

whole tide
hushed nebula
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the point is that that is finite and not insanely large

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a wiki displays information

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in a way that is easy to read for the user

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and is easily navigable

whole tide
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A core feature of a Wiki IS to have links on pages to other pages

hushed nebula
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look at this wiki

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this for tabor would be so much nicer than what we have currently, same for tarkov

whole tide
static sinew
hushed nebula
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exactly, thats the issue

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not that fandom is PERFECT

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open your eyes muhawi

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mediawiki isnt the only wiki software in existence

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its a bad one for small wikis

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one of the worst actually

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organizing every wiki like wikipedia isnt a good idea, having something domain specific is more professional and is better for the user

whole tide
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I am not defending Fandom if you believe that, just making things clear for people that are not too familiar with the wiki world.

hushed nebula
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youre talking down to me like im not

whole tide
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Since you claim things that are just not true

hushed nebula
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like what?

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what have i claimed that isnt true?

static sinew
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I'm gonna go take a shower, ping me if my input is wanted on something

hushed nebula
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mk :)

static sinew
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I'll respond when back

hushed nebula
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thanks orbb for your work on the wiki

static sinew
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Yup yup!

whole tide
hushed nebula
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can you answer the question?

hushed nebula
whole tide
hushed nebula
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no they are fundamental issues with fandom

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that can be fixed by switching, or by maintainers doing manual labor

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i know youre used to it and you dont want to be replaced so its ok i get it, but you gotta see that its not the best way to do things

whole tide
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If you claim that then the entirety of Wikipedia has a fundamental Issue

hushed nebula
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stop it

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just

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stop this mindset ok

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the ghosts of tabor wiki with at most 1000 items

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does not need the same treatment as wikipedia

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wikipedia it works because it has millions upon millions of pages

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having everything organized in one long sidebar like that wiki i sent would be chaos

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and you cant definitively find a category for everything

opal needle
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Honestly @hushed nebula until you can provide a better solution, there's not really any reason to argue for/againt Fandom.

Come up with something better if you want a constructive debate about switching.

whole tide
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hushed nebula
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my approach makes it easy for maintainers AND users to navigate to where they need to be

opal needle
hushed nebula
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you are completely missing the argument fish

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the argument isnt that there is a readily available better solution we should change to immediately, im saying there are better options for the domain of tabor

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changing your perspective of what a wiki looks like can provide the user a much better experience overall, thats my point

opal needle
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but you have no proof of any better option until you find a publicly hosted one

hushed nebula
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thats not the argument fish

opal needle
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you are saying there is better software available, everyone here has understood that.

But it means nothing

hushed nebula
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and i never refuted the issue of selfhosting being a problem.... right?

dense dune
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bippity boppity boo

hushed nebula
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my point isnt that it should switch now im saying if it ever does get switched, it should be to something that allows more freedom and better UX, such as the wiki i sent

opal needle
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everyone will have forgotten about that in 3 years when that happens.

My point is that your point is worthless at this moment in time where they are trying to get a wiki going

hushed nebula
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thats fucked in the head

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and is a bad mindset to have

whole tide
hushed nebula
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switch

whole tide
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Fandom doesn't delete Wikis unless they have a veeeeery tiny usage.