NJZ Updates and Discussion

[old cypress]

what do you mean non-cooperation?

[hoary frost]

mmm i see

[waxen musk]

I've seen people basically argue every possible outcome. Basically we know nothing but have discussed everything.

[old cypress]

that's not true. We DO know that contracts can be terminated

[waxen musk]

I'm gonna put on Bunnies Camp, just watch that let's stop yapping. Then I'll go to work in 2 hours and can finally force myself away from this.

[frozen granite]

If the judge rules in ador’s favor & the girls choose not to work either way, ador can sue them for not cooperating & resuming their activities with ador

[wise basin]

Not yall crashing out 😭

[old cypress]

If they refuse to work yeah. But if they terminate then the relationship between ador and njz is like two complete strangers

[copper jetty]

You have a point but it's a basic right that you can't force someone to work if they don't want to though so how'd that go??

[mild mist]

Only if there's contractual obligations on a number of activities there

[wise basin]

I need to touch grass

[empty halo]

getting into a contract and not being to in any way, by considering it null yourself or even by doing it the way that the contract mentions (pay a penalty fee) then it literally is slavery

[copper jetty]

Yeah... this place and even the main chat is alive cause it's almost D-Day

[empty halo]

@frozen granite youre genuinely so nervous youre going back to the 1800s pls relax ma'am

[frozen granite]

https://tenor.com/view/choking-choking-emote-gif-4834953046538741679

[pseudo heath]

yeah i feel like they wouldnt sign a contract that would tie them down till 2029, they would definitely have the right null it

[wise basin]

Only 28 hours left oh my god

[frozen granite]

Ok ill try to manifest & change the energy: njz will be free either way

[wise basin]

Newjeans never die

[waxen musk]

Ador dropped Bunnies Day celebration video....... I CANT

[marsh roost]

dropped as in released or as in removed?

[hollow sorrel]

hopefully their last update about the girls ever

[short laurel]

Happy bunnies day

[empty halo]

unfortunately its very cute and heartwarming

[fathom onyx]

happy bunnies day to y'all

[frozen granite]

That post is so ugly

[waxen musk]

released

[empty halo]

who made this animation

[frozen granite]

It’s hideous

[empty halo]

cmon its cute

well to me at least

[frozen granite]

I think I’m just biased bc of what going on

[short laurel]

That ai voice over.

[waxen musk]

ai voice over on what?

[short laurel]

That ai voice over ruined it

[empty halo]

thats the audio track option thats automatically turned on by youtube, its actually just the tic-tacs from asap lmfao

[short laurel]

Ooh. Ohk lol

[waxen musk]

Oh yeah it's YouTube's fault. I HATE that feature. (It did it on the "I feel Coke" thing too)

[empty halo]

same, who told them to turn it on automatically?

[short laurel]

Weird it's on discord embed but not on YouTube app

Though i hate ador, that lil video is cute

[empty halo]

thats understandable but it isnt the shitty executives making that animation, its the animators under ador/freelancers so you can disassociate it from that company and enjoy it like that. sort of like how you can enjoy newjeans' discography without thinking of it being ador's work

[frozen granite]

Ahh

[waxen musk]

Koreans can now say NJZ's freedom is determined TOMORROW

[short laurel]

I didn't realise the date is right after bunnies day

[waxen musk]

Yeah ridiculous timing

[timber shell]

[frozen granite]

May bunnies day be celebrated with NJZ freedom

[wicked timber]

we discussed all the absolute utter worst case scenarios. can we have a bit of positivity for the last day?

[empty halo]

🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[copper jetty]

So tomorrow??

[polar owl]

Ador cannot refuse termination via termination fee.

At least this much heft is available for the artists.

In 9 and half hours from now, only 24 hours will be left for judgement day

[subtle matrix]

"Final Judgement" bruh

Making it sound like the rapture

[wicked timber]

ominous

[empty halo]

it is the rapture for an entire fandom so yes

[copper jetty]

Happy bunnies day guys. Also is it just me or i find it ironic that Ador is greeting us "happy bunnies day" then at the same time Hybe with the same set of people seated on their employees is suing bunnies left and right.

[polar owl]

Unfortunately, the final judgement may be followed up by appeals, moving to a higher court....but still it is the first step towards freedom and resuming activities

[frozen granite]

Like we are giving the importance it deserves bc it’s important to us? WTH lol

[waxen musk]

"Final" is a weird term to use that's why I just changed it to "judgement day" in the pinned.
It's like the START of the final set of things that happen.

[empty halo]

im gonna go bald if they lose

[waxen musk]

I'm already bald(ing).

[empty halo]

no i wont but its a big deal okay

[pseudo heath]

kinda poetic how bunnies day is just before judgement day

[copper jetty]

Ss so no take backs ok

[waxen musk]

I think shitsalad is saying the stress will cause balding, rather than shave their head.

[copper jetty]

Oh my bad... I thought u was gonna go bald if they lose

[waxen musk]

Yeah... involuntarily

I started balding years ago so don't worry about me. This just speeds up the inevitable.

[empty halo]

i actually meant the latter but i took it back 1 second later

[wicked timber]

where is the case now?

[polar owl]

You may already be bald....we don't know.

[empty halo]

here

[copper jetty]

District court for now. If the loser appeal then it goes to a higher court

[waxen musk]

Yeah we're at bottom right part of that graph

[frozen granite]

If ador loses & appeals, can njz resume activities in the mean time?

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

and ador WILL appeal if they lose

[waxen musk]

100% either side will if they lose

[copper jetty]

Yes

[empty halo]

no njz can just choose to pay the penalty and terminate instead of appealing further

[polar owl]

Yes, because the exclusive agreement is no longer in place. Ador may try extending the injunction, but it will not happen.

[bronze talon]

cant wait for another 6 months with continued legal battles 🔥

[waxen musk]

Wouldn't they wait until after an appeal?

[frozen granite]

That’s what I was thinking too, I doubt they’ll want to drag this out even longer

[empty halo]

as unitokkio said i dont think they wanna drag this longer

[waxen musk]

Depends

[frozen granite]

On?

[empty halo]

and if theyre losing with a judge whos more progressive and supportive of workers it makes them winning the appeal further down the line seem more unlikely, bc the judge could very likley be more conservative?

[polar owl]

Since activities are banned, waiting for appeal/ retrial is a bad option.

[copper jetty]

I don't think they will. If they do go for the appeal it'll lengthen the procedure so they'll probably apply for a termination and get it over with than appeal to a higher court. That's just my speculation though cause it makes sense to me that the girls just want this to be over with and just do a cb as njz.

[empty halo]

and appealing to a higher court doesnt just extend everything it also just risks ANOTHER loss

[polar owl]

It's in Hybe's favour extending this fight till eternity. They are waiting for the girls to blink first.

[empty halo]

theyd have to be next level mega confident to appeal further

[pseudo heath]

Even then its risky cause the amount of time it would take, I dont think delaying it further would be an optimal play

assuming that they wanna retain as much of the fanbase as they can

[polar owl]

Time is an important factor in this fight. Every day lost is harmful for NJZ

[frozen granite]

Yes, I don’t see them waiting another year or (much less) until 2029.

[old cypress]

I think they'll just pay the penalty if they lose, as long as it's somewhat reasonable

[empty halo]

forget the fanbase and their career, i dont know the girls personally but i dont think they have the energy in staying in this battle for much longer and inviting more legal stress into their lives. they must be tired

[wicked timber]

yeah. the longer it drags the more it benefits hybe
njz being active is their greatest fear (as direct market competitor)

[pseudo heath]

Also true, probably should mentioned this

[old cypress]

initially they used the breakdown of trust motive so they could remain active during the trial, and it worked until ador won the injunction

[empty halo]

having the futue of your livelihood and what you love to do up in the air for more months or even years must be so hard on them, especially bc of how young they are

[frozen granite]

Not sure how ooak is related to njz, but if mhj secretly established her own record for the girls mainly, then I really don’t see the girls waiting

[polar owl]

Hybe trying to keep them inactive by appealing again will surely face a lot of backlash

[hollow sorrel]

I just saw the bunnies day animation let's just say MHJ's OOAK doodles in the notes app ended them

[alpine sapphire]

Guys adour wishing bunnies day is making me worried idk why !

[empty halo]

theyve been posting about birthdays and anniversaries for months now

[frozen granite]

BC you feel they know something we don’t?

[empty halo]

just ignore it, their social media acts like nothing happened

[alpine sapphire]

That's not njz coded, like I am nit satisfied with that animation

[polar owl]

Fakedor has been posting videos regularly. So nothing new

[alpine sapphire]

Ik! But them wishing 2 days before final outcome while knowing what the outcome is worrying me!

[empty halo]

ooak isnt supposed to be njz coded, its a record label and company 😭

[alpine sapphire]

Exactly!!!

[hollow sorrel]

ig they saw the verdict is 2 days after so they still prepared it just in case

[empty halo]

their operations wont fully revolve around njz forever, they will probably have soloists or even other groups under them

[alpine sapphire]

Not ooak bro; adour animation for bunnies day lol

[upbeat stream]

Wait, there's animation? I haven't seen it. Nvm, you're talking about ador

[smoky mesa]

Terrified since it's now 2 days away and not like a month anymore

[empty halo]

ohhh yeah pfft it doesnt matter much

[polar owl]

The first group or soloist under OOAK may not be NJZ

[alpine sapphire]

That's fine ! Like ooak having hundred people is fine but njz not winning is not fine ike

[waxen musk]

at least link to the one that doesn't give views (it's in main chat)

[frozen granite]

Technically it’s about one day, regardless of where you live, the time we find out doesn’t change the fact it is about a day left

[empty halo]

oh my bad

[waxen musk]

https://discordapp.com/channels/948917131989381173/948917817724514325/1432747630500253726

[alpine sapphire]

Frrr

[brazen ice]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[waxen musk]

Ok. Gotta get ready for work. Then sleep. Then a looooong day.

[polar owl]

1 day 9 hours remaining

[empty halo]

sharing this edit to scare yall some more

[polar owl]

Reminds me of ASAP

[pseudo heath]

it only scares you 😭

[copper jetty]

Yeah... idk if the aesthetic was kindergarten's doodles but I did not like it that much. I think I was expecting something... it's cute tho but it's just that..

[wicked timber]

it's like dancing on our corpse

[hollow sorrel]

yess something can be nice or cool looking but not well thought out and that's how I feel with ADOR's works after the main creative directors left the company

• a lot of other HYBE groups

[copper jetty]

Also i think I'm biased since I know Hybe has been suing bunnies left and right so... yeah...

[alpine sapphire]

Fr

[waxen musk]

I was thinking about how long that animation took to make... I don't think it would take long even for me who's never had experience doing such a thing.

[alpine sapphire]

Fr guys if njz won than why would adour wishing us like that's the only thing I am thinking

[empty halo]

ador most likely doesnt know if theyve won or not, nobody really does, everyone finds out on oct 30

[copper jetty]

Doesn't the court tell the parties involved before hand?

[wicked timber]

no backlash. 0. what are we expecting from fans if they dont even care about the CEO's criminal case

[hollow sorrel]

dont overthink its just a random vid they did for social media for an event that falls 2 days before the verdict, there's not much more to it

just like how they did the birthday updates and the anniversary event too

[frozen granite]

Guys tomorrow will be the sunniest day of the week. I am taking this as a sign we’ll be getting good news

[empty halo]

why would they? both parties most likely have statements prepared for either of the scenarios. so whats the point of telling them before the public lmfao

also i tried to look around and didnt find much that suggested that either of the parties find out what happens before the public does

people just started saying they already know bc mhj came out with ooak

[polar owl]

Everyone knows on the same day.

[alpine sapphire]

Yup!!

[upbeat stream]

That's what I have found too

People say they are told beforehand, but I can't find any evidence of that

[snow furnace]

that's easy to do, mean it's basic tho
What's difficult or takes a long time to think about is the style

[hollow sorrel]

everyone finds out tomorrow but I'm guessing the legal teams have counted for a lot of different scenarios

this might be tokkium but that's why I think MHJ created OOAK because she knows that there won't be a complete loss and as long as they are not forced to go back to ador they can find their way out of it

[snow furnace]

prolly 2 days to implement

[waxen musk]

Imagine if she registered OOAK 2 weeks before the injunction judgement was made.

You can't predict this stuff. Not even MHJ.

[hollow sorrel]

that is why the biggest mystery to me is the fact that Hyein said in their NJZ instagram live "don't worry we will have an agency soon"

did MHJ plan OOAK before february??

[waxen musk]

MHJ has clearly been inspired by various things that contributed to her OOAK sketches since November last year.

Just based on a couple of posts. Birds and cassette tapes.

[hollow sorrel]

also I revisited some of her interviews and she said she has a plan so let her cooak

[short laurel]

it is entirely possible girls were talking about some other agency, and mhj ooak might have nothing to do with njz.
also preparing for a new business takes long time, MHJ probably planned this for months, looking for investors also takes long time.

ofc, we all hope njz comes under ooak.

[waxen musk]

If MHJ does new stuff and NJZ does new stuff totally separate from her... I'd almost predict that has the same chance of happening as them going back to Ador.

[short laurel]

n it would be funny too cuz that's exactly hybe accused MHJ for. for stealing newjeans, if njz comes under ooak, basically hybe itself forced mhj to do exactly what they accused her on.

[waxen musk]

Funny. MHJ seemed really reluctant to start up her own stuff based on what she said a while ago. Especially what she said after leaving SM. This might force her to do a lot of stuff she doesn't want to unless she has someone she trusts to do that stuff for her.

[frozen granite]

Self fulfilling prophecy

[short laurel]

i m sorry my english is extra poor today.

[waxen musk]

Makes sense.

[polar owl]

It's better than mine

[waxen musk]

Mine should be better considering it's the only language I know.

[copper jetty]

We all understood it

[short laurel]

i wrote excuse instead of accused.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1217326607371604000.webp?size=48&name=HanniFacePalm

[simple knot]

Why is everybody still opping mhj

[polar owl]

who is everybody?

[feral tapir]

a lot of people

[fierce cloak]

I dont think she get investors, coz she still the sole owner of ooak, even if innitial capital is small. But prepare the building take time & money too. A whole proper business plan even if she works with her old team

[fierce cloak]

Dont pay attention to them just noise

[feral tapir]

ik

[polar owl]

She will get a lot of investors - if her past performance is any indicator of her future success.

[short laurel]

a bootstrap business of this type would be crazy. but MHJ can probably pull it of. still it's crazy. easier to believe she got investors or partners.

[hollow shore]

is it 2 days before we know? What time would the result come out US Eastern standard time?

[waxen musk]

It's like 32 hours from now I think.

[hollow shore]

I just hope everything goes well and NJZ can start over, with MHJ and OOAK if possible.

[raven kelp]

ugh annoying it's still 2 sleeps away

[zealous helm]

how long do appeals take

[hollow sorrel]

still cracks me up that NJZ account is basically a graphic design/3d art portfolio

[empty jetty]

i kinda want those animations

[hollow sorrel]

the non-Apple emojis (apple and iphones are a huge part of NewJeans' brand)
the order of the members being messed up (not MHDHH)

end this mess now...

[upbeat stream]

How did they mess up the order lol? Even Jungkook knows it

[fathom onyx]

what's the difference? w the emojis

[red thorn]

mhhhd huh

Well it seems nyk still involved in the creative

[copper jetty]

There's an order to the members. That's why it's always MhDHH or
💙🩷💛💚💜

[copper jetty]

Is this nyk's art?

[fathom onyx]

no I mean the apple emojis

[red thorn]

Nope, it seems outsourced artist

[short laurel]

Nyk would know the order

[copper jetty]

True

Also idk the bunnies with the girls colors is supposed to be them right but why is the pink one the tallest...

Our iPhone being the tallest one there is kind of...

[fathom onyx]

🤣

[fathom onyx]

Hanni wasn't lying when she said she's growing taller

[polar owl]

Hope maknae is still the tallest 😉 It's been some time

[upbeat stream]

If anything, she probably towers over them even more now

[red thorn]

https://www.uou-cute.com/about
The artist if you're curious

[copper jetty]

Also hyein seems like she's the shortest here in Ador's illustrations. I don't think it's age related since minji is still shorter than hanni here...

I mean they should've adapted at least some of the girl's characteristics in this. I think I find why I didn't like this. I couldn't find any of the girls' characteristics in this even though this is clearly portraying them

Like you can swap colors with all the bunnies here and it'll all still be the same and you can't tell the difference unlike if there's details here that clearly references them.

[strong stream]

Can someone in short tell me what the final hearing on the 30th will be about? I honestly didn't understand most of the case but ofc i wanna know what this is going to be about

[copper jetty]

The court is gonna rule if the contract termination (either the reason or the procedure) that newjeans did last November is valid or not.

[grizzled mural]

I hope they are free of Hybe or at least court rules they can separate for reduced fee. Just anything to get them active on social media/promotions/brand deals and releasing music😩

[frozen granite]

Im sure they miss performing more than we do

[copper jetty]

Honestly... I just want them to be free... wether that means them being free to do new music and cb or just leave kpop altogether then I'm fine with whatever.

[frozen granite]

We already miss them, but this is their life we are talking about. They won’t waste time

[polar owl]

Agreed, their mental health is more important; than for us to have new music. Whatever makes them happier, being in the industry or not, whatever gives them peace - in the media spotlight or otherwise - I will personally support it.

A member of another group I follow decided to leave the limelight for a quieter life, and the fanbase has always been supportive of her decision even though they still miss her.

[wicked timber]

113067 seconds left

[frozen granite]

Plot twist we are in the matrix & this same day will be on loop

[polar owl]

More like 'Edge of Tomorrow'

[frozen granite]

Idk what that is

[polar owl]

A sci-fi movie - it's about a soldier who lives the same day of a battle again and again.

time just resets every time he dies

[short laurel]

I was expecting internal team would make it. Didn't think they'd get an outside freelancer

[fathom onyx]

it's a good movie 🎥

[sly python]

will there be a livestream of the final verdict?

[wicked timber]

no

[waxen musk]

I’m sure there will be news reporters outside of the court hoping to see something. Not sure what they expect to see.

[stuck roost]

i think itll just be announced and this discord will be flooded

[analog depot]

Will the girls be present in court tomorrow?

[waxen musk]

Why would they. Seems like a bad idea. They don’t have anything to add.

Don’t know if they have to or what.

[upbeat stream]

I think they'll be in the courtroom too

[hollow sorrel]

the fact that we might find the results out earlier than the girls doesnt sit right with me...

[empty halo]

huh

[waxen musk]

I’m sure a representative is all that’s required.

[empty halo]

theyre probably gonna be glued to a call/screen to know the results

theyll find out the same time as us/maybe a few minutes before us

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, I'm sure one of their lawyers will text them right away

[hollow sorrel]

I'm just saying how Team Bunnies mentioned before that at one of the hearings they saw with their own eyes Kim & Chang lawyers were texting reporters in the court room, but the lawyers will probably text the girls the same way

[empty jetty]

"lmao hybe took the L"

[rugged dagger]

aisu

[waxen musk]

Another yap to read if you want. https://x.com/minotaurkard/status/1983237601311306098?s=46

MinotaurKard (@MinotaurKard)

"What do you think is going to happen?"

I get this question a lot, and I have no fucking clue.

Since the injunction, Ive read too many cases and too many rulings. Just yesterday, I re-read parts of the appeal decision because someone sent it to me for reference. I spent way too

X · Oct 28, 2025, 6:21 PM

Just the sad state of the industry and politics in Korea doesn’t give you much hope.

At least we know the truth.

And if, after all of this, the court still decides that its in the best interest of the girls to return to that same toxic environment...then the court is wrong. Judges aren't gods.

The only thing on our side is the truth.

[wicked timber]

that's enough

[frozen granite]

As I previously said, I’m quitting kpop if njz won’t/don’t come back

They are the only reason why I got into it in the first place

[fathom onyx]

yea
I only listen to njz and I like a few other songs by other groups

[wicked timber]

https://x.com/haerin1st/status/1983262272995631612

✿ (@haerin1st)

The judge who ruled against NewJeans was nominated by a president with a history of judicial favoritism and protectionism. Another judge who cleared the First Lady of corruption is now working with HYBE. Both judges are connected to scandals involving Kim Keon-hee.

X · Oct 28, 2025, 7:59 PM

the whole thread is interesting

[upbeat stream]

https://www.newstopkorea.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=40614

Worth a read if you are curious about OOAK. This gotta be the first media to not label their clearly exclusive articles as such

[heady gate]

no

[waxen musk]

I came across the Bunnies Day post by Ador on TikTok. It has >250K likes but <1M views. Isn’t that suspicious?

Eh maybe not. Just the like to view ratio is a bit high.

[copper current]

This is why I say Korean justice system is a joke

[wicked timber]

i remember watching stranger secret forest back then and i became obsessed with korean prosecutors and the corruption. it's fascinating really

[waxen musk]

The fact that nobody’s gone this in depth with the main lawsuit judge is interesting. Is there not much info on them?

[waxen musk]

I’ll have to watch that. Maybe tonight to make the time go quicker.

[wicked timber]

sadly no
they trying to keep low-profile

[wicked timber]

you'll love it

[upbeat stream]

I am only now reading that article fully but that building is owned by 3 doctors. They purchased it for 6.6B won, yet mhj has only invested 20M won so far. That won't be enough for even 3 months rent. Perhaps they are investors too instead of simply being the owners?

[frozen granite]

Are these the same judges in the ador vs the girls case???

[wicked timber]

the judge who ruled during injunction

[frozen granite]

Ah I see, but none of them in this ruling?

[wicked timber]

i dont know who's the current judge

[upbeat stream]

Jeong Hoe-il

As far as I remember, he has a good track record

[frozen granite]

I think there’s 3 in total

[wicked timber]

what do we know of him?

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1934899990633255160

🫧 (@catzkang)

The main trial NJZ VS ADOR will be handled by Judges Jeong Hoeil, Park Seungkyun, and Lee Youngjoo at the Seoul Central District Court.

This summarizes several significant court decisions presided over by Judge Jeong Hoeil:

1. Compensation Lawsuit for Forced Labor by Japanese

X · Jun 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

[upbeat stream]

Yes 3 on the panel with Judge jeong presiding

[wicked timber]

mr. Jeong Hoe-il
please hear our plea 🙏

[hollow sorrel]

he specializes in employer vs employee disputes mostly, has a good track record of hearing both sides out and not just relying on data which should be good for us

[upbeat stream]

If we don't win with him, we are never gonna win on appeals anyway. So this really is it

[frozen granite]

Even if we don’t win I hope he reduces the penalty fee at a reasonable amount

[wicked timber]

by knowing HYBE's dirty tactics I just hope he has conscience and upholds integrity

i hate to think judges can be easily bought but...

[upbeat stream]

See I don't think that's for him to decide. Most probably, if breach of trust is recognized, he will determine which party is primarily to blame for it. And that would form the basis for the damages lawsuit down the line

It's not within the scope of this lawsuit to decide the actual amount

[hollow sorrel]

There were these 3 questions the judge asked ADOR and he emphasized that it would be really important to the case if they could answer or if they couldn't they should provide some reasoning why not

and they just answere No to all of the questions. (it was about having plans for // discussions with NewJeans after they dismissed MHJ)

That alone is a breach of trust but idek anymore

[upbeat stream]

Most telling of all, hybe media refused to cover it. They talked about everything but the questions and the fact that ador ceo is on record saying they have no plans for newjeans

[hollow sorrel]

and the fact that the members took heart medication is very serious

[upbeat stream]

Oh god. I forget about that sometimes

[wicked timber]

common sense is on the girl's side
the whole industry is on the other

[upbeat stream]

The court went against the industry once, when it ruled in JYJ's favor. SM at the time was arguably just as powerful as hybe today. The law firm representing them? Sejong. Let's hope a similar miracle happens again

[wicked timber]

at the end of the day it's still 5 young girls who are having an impossible battle against a conglomerate

[hollow sorrel]

ngl if Sejong pulls this off they are goated for having 2 huge cases like this

[upbeat stream]

The JYJ case is so iconic that it's on Sejong's website. If they win this, then njz would also be

[fierce cloak]

Oh wait Sejong did JYJ too?

[fierce cloak]

Oh fascinating.

[plucky cloud]

depends on the contract, i think ador would sue them and use that to extend the contract indefinitely if they dont cooperate

ive also read that you apparently cant just pay termination fees, that apparently there has to be a proper reason

so from that point of view losing would really really suck for the girls

[red thorn]

Which brings to the point how fked up the contract between company and artist, artist's termination right is practically non existent even tho they could in theory or legally, the system made it very difficult and complicated in the of the day the company still got the upper hand even tho it's supposed to be equal

[frozen granite]

If breach of trust is a good reason & part of the contract then maybe the girls have a chance to pay the fee

[old cypress]

this is bs, of course you can terminate your contract, all contracts have an unilateral termination clause

[clear hill]

But that’s going by the assumption ador wouldn’t at least reach a settlement with them and they would 100% lose which we already know ador was open to reaching a settlement. Also I doubt that the judge’s verdict sees ador as 100% innocent of mistreatment and breached their trust. The judge said himself that breach of trust was an abstract reasoning so I think it’s safe to assume he knows it’s nuanced and not 100% win or lose.

[clear hill]

Also I’m pretty sure extending the contract indefinitely is impossible since that’s just blatant labour exploitation. Now obviously this is SK we’re talking about and I’m not completely familiar but that sounds too far fetched

[old cypress]

moreover during the injunction ruling the terms related to contract termination were revealed and it clearly says that njz can terminate unilaterally if they pay the penalty fees. Anyone claiming otherwise is just spreading misinformation atp

[cerulean lake]

omg wrong calculations yday. didn’t realize the verdict is in like 30 min here

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[cinder narwhal]

Under current law, anyone raising donations exceeding 10 million KRW (approx. 6,785.78 USD) must register with the relevant authorities. Violations carry penalties of up to three years in prison or fines of up to 30 million KRW (approx. 20,957 USD). A complaint was filed by a netizen through the official grievance system, and the Seoul city government confirmed that the fundraiser had not been pre-registered.

I'm sorry this is too stupid 😭 the minor was not working alone

[clear hill]

What’s ur time zone?

[cerulean lake]

PST, california

[rare dune]

isn’t it tmr

[cerulean lake]

isn’t it the 30th in sk already?

OH SHOOT IM DUMB

[rare dune]

it’s the 28th for us rn

[cerulean lake]

i thought today was the 29th here. didn’t check my calender

[rare dune]

tmr 5:50 pm no worries

[cerulean lake]

wait i feel more relieved now hah

[wise basin]

Chat how are we feeling

[rare dune]

nervous

i did my presentation on this and my friends are actually interested surprisingly

i’m scared

[empty jetty]

The time updated for ur time zone is on my bio

[wise basin]

We gotta attract positivity

[pseudo heath]

We essentially 24 hours away

[rare dune]

24 hours and 30 minutes

[wise basin]

It's getting real yall

[pseudo heath]

final hurdle

[rare dune]

i’m so scared fml

do i change my layout for this occasion

[pseudo heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212483347188547627/1432171709884006551/New_Project_6_Copy_DC65CC0.gif

[pseudo heath]

Ot5 layout

[rare dune]

maybe ot5 banner

i don’t like having more than one person on my pfp so i’ll find a cute ot5 banner with a good minji pfp

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948917132459130940/1432581345976258681/5904ef5ae984bcb4be6261d292f72b92.gif

[wise basin]

Lock tf in

[rare dune]

i’m not gonna be able to pay attention in class tmr

[wise basin]

Pray chat whatever your religion is just PRAY

[rare dune]

uhm

i’ll pray to the tokki gods

[empty jetty]

Yes

[waxen musk]

24 hours and 20 minutes. I'm going to sleep. Then it'll be less than 24 hours and 20 minutes when I wake up. 👀

[rare dune]

sleep well good sir

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948917132459130940/1432639325794996285/IMG_3994.gif

[wise basin]

We need you tomorrow
Goodnight

[rare dune]

i’ll be freaking out. maybe not in general cause it might get really overwhelming

[cerulean lake]

can’t imagine how they feel if we’re already the ones freaking out

[empty jetty]

If I’m not here ping me till I answer

[heady gate]

24 hours count down.

[astral dust]

So my prediction for tomorrow's ruling would be like this:
NJZ can continue their activities as Newjeans, and can hire a 3rd party for their release, management, PR and whatnot, but they will have to share a certain profit to Ador/Hybe until the end of their original contract

So a partial win?

[bronze talon]

1 more day
gulp

[trim nebula]

why are people telling lower your expectations

[frozen granite]

Bc we are traumatized & don’t trust the sk legal system

[empty jetty]

Nah we winning this and we are getting a cb this year

[trim nebula]

like they have little chance getting of a partial win

[empty jetty]

The judge already gave a win to a similar case, I have super high hopes because of that

The light at the end of the road is very dim, but I rather chase a very dim light than stay on the darkness

[tidal crystal]

Idk if I should be nervous or not, I mean it’s two days away?

[feral tapir]

https://x.com/taro_prediction/status/1982803510493147362?s=46

Zodiac & Tarot Prediction (@Taro_Prediction)

NJZ news 🔜. Wait for something positive

X · Oct 27, 2025, 1:36 PM

manifest

[empty jetty]

Less than 24 hours

[astral dust]

What case? And there're 3 judges overseeing NJZ case.

[frozen granite]

Isn’t this same page usually right about “predictions” ?

[feral tapir]

i have no idea i barely use twitter

they better be right

[astral dust]

All the predictions tarot reading last years were wrong

[frozen granite]

Them rn

[feral tapir]

there should be a simpsons episode about it so we can be sure

[feral tapir]

🥀

[astral dust]

Look what im watching. Jinx!

[cinder narwhal]

we were like this during injunction and got crushed

[empty jetty]

the injunction jury was a hybe jury

[cinder narwhal]

what jury

[exotic olive]

22 hours till the court

[stuck roost]

i can pray for christianity

OTHER RELIGIONS GO

[cerulean lake]

except that daisy acc. that’s why i was scared when she said not to celebrate 🥀

[rugged dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/hanni-hanni-yap-hanniyap-hanni-yapper-hanniyapper-gif-1755976105867479148

[clear hill]

Who is daisy and what did she say

[copper jetty]

Exactly so how do we know these 3 judges aren't? Even if 1 of them isn't but if 2 of them judges in favor of hybe then we done.

[clear hill]

Let’s not think about that rn tho. We shouldn’t be pessimistic until we know the verdict otherwise we’re just prolonging it

[frozen granite]

Someone on here said these judges were “good”. Whatever that means.

[astral dust]

She said not to celebrate on 30 Oct?

A result like the injunction is very highly unlikely because based on the court progress so far, the judges did acknowledge some issues with Ador management

On the other hand, a complete contract termination (with or without penalty) is also very unlikely because that requires a tons of solid evidences with paper trails and whatnot, and what NJZ side presented so far are mostly circumstantial.

[copper jetty]

I think she was the one who predicted first, by end of 2023 (even before all this that newjeans would have legal problems.

[copper jetty]

Idk i think them having a recording of the now CEO of Ador is kind of a solid evidence.

Also i think with the questions that the presiding judge allowed newjeans to ask regarding Hybe's plans for them is a factor in all of this.
In which hybe just answered no and didn't even give any reasoning whatsoever. (As per the last hearing)

[astral dust]

Yes, which is why I said the judges did acknowledge there's some mismanagement here which led to breach of trust. But that's it. So far we didn't hear anything else. Breaking contract is a major deal, considering how conservative Korean judges are, they'd not likely opening that can of worms and let people break contract with just a couple doubts.

My conclusion is that they will not rule in extremely Hybe/Ador's or NJZ's favor. They'll find a middle ground, contract is uphold but with major revision that addressed management/operation independence issue for NJZ.

Hybe might win on paper but NJZ will win in practice

[copper jetty]

Yeah. But there are precedents though. There was a precedent of an actress and an agency who fired a manager? The court was able to rule against the agency so this could still go both ways.

It will depend on how the judges interpret breach of trust.
Like if they acknowledge that Hybe did mismanage newjeans I think that in of itself is a reason for termination. But idk if them going against not just one agency but the entirety of the kpop industry would be enough for them to rule in favor of the girls.

[cinder narwhal]

precedents shmecedents
people were bringing up those too during injunction 😭

[frozen granite]

I only see them settling if MHJ is ceo, which I doubt she’ll be given the fact she now has her own label. So I don’t see the girls settling

[copper jetty]

True... that injunction ruling traumatized our fandom

[frozen granite]

I don’t see mhj & njz not working together

[astral dust]

Idk if you're familiar with Baekhyun/Chen/Xiumin's (BXC) contract with SM. But what they had were that BXC was under another company management and completely independent, they had to share 10% profit to SM while operating with another company though

[frozen granite]

Hmmm so ooak & hybe/ador working together is what you’re saying?

[astral dust]

SM is totally hand off, they just got a token of profit from association

[cinder narwhal]

didn't they just lose 0-6 in all hearings/judgments/investigations

[astral dust]

They lost because they want to nullify that contract

[frozen granite]

Im not sure if that could happen, ador/hybe seems pretty greedy. Also, I believe hybe doesn’t care about keeping njz, I think they just don’t want them to be active again

[astral dust]

Yeah, but ador is only their to get profit from legacy IP and branding, OOak or whatever company is their homebase

[frozen granite]

I think hybe/ador just want njz to go back to ador to keep them shelved lol

[astral dust]

It's not up to them, it's up to the judges in this case and that BXC contract is the most balanced solution

[frozen granite]

I do love that idea tbh, I rather have that than nothing

In less than 24 hrs we will find out

[astral dust]

So Ador/Hybe will have all the IPs right prior to 30 Oct, but after that, all the releases will be shared between the members and Hybe/Ador, meaning they can perform without permission from Hybe but must share profit with them.

[astral dust]

LMAO

He looked slimmer.

[copper jetty]

Ozempic. It's what people use here in the US

[frozen granite]

You’re from the us?

[copper jetty]

I'm not originally from here. Immigration

[frozen granite]

Same …

[rare dune]

need some tokkium

[empty halo]

he has ozempic face too

its obvious, and also shitty considering the fact that people with actual diabetes dont get access to it because of the shortage

ever since wealthy people and celebrities started using it as a shortcut to lose weight

[polar owl]

Wait for a few years - we will discover that the drug had previously unknown side-effects.

[normal marlin]

r the girls going to be there in person tmrrw?

[empty halo]

its their wish, they probably wont though

it could go either ways and theyd probably not want the media shoving cameras and mics into their face if it's a loss

[waxen musk]

I slept like 3 hours. I’m doomed. Hopefully I can sleep more before the time comes.

[empty halo]

how many hours left

[waxen musk]

20

[frozen granite]

How are you guys feeling ?

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[buoyant hamlet]

[rugged dagger]

like 6 7

[tawdry vessel]

ador been posting we might be cooked

aLivvySob

[empty halo]

theyre always posting shamelessly as if nothings happened

birthdays, anniversaries, etc etc

[polar owl]

Then we can also say OOAK has been revealed - we are so back

[rugged dagger]

i may have to intervene

[frozen granite]

I’ve been expecting the worse since yesterday, but eh we’ll see. We have waited a year after all

[hushed whale]

[cerulean lake]

why does he still get to attend stuff like this smh. i thought rm was there to replace him 🤦🏻‍♀️

[tawdry vessel]

i know

i do think both parties have already been notified about the result

so ador posting is making me nervous

[hollow sorrel]

I heard they paid almost 1 million usd to be there pretty stupid for someone who is about to get charged soon for his illegal activities

[tawdry vessel]

aHaerinShy

[hollow sorrel]

they are not notified before

[frozen granite]

Wait why are people speculating they have been notified already?

[cerulean lake]

i hope he is charged 🙏 their legal system seems to baby these rich corrupt people 😭

[hollow sorrel]

Idk there was also something at the injunction where people said they know the results 1 day before, but I don’t think it’s true

[tawdry vessel]

this is a civil case and not a criminal case

[frozen granite]

I have so many questions about so many scenarios but at the same time I don’t

[tawdry vessel]

most civil cases defendants get to know the results earlier before it goes public

[hollow sorrel]

But is there any proof of this? I tried looking for it and asked various AIs but nothing says that they find out earlier

[tawdry vessel]

someone mentioned it here who knows very well about sk laws

anyways lets just wait for tomorrow

[frozen granite]

This is why I found (mind you, idk how accurate this is, but serves as some “tokkium” for us):
“In a standard South Korean civil case, the parties do not know the final judgment a day earlier. Here’s why:

⸻

🔹 How it works for the final hearing
1. Hearing day (October 30)
• The judge delivers the judgment orally in court at the end of the hearing.
• If the parties (or their lawyers) are present, they hear it immediately.
• If absent, the court will notify them after the hearing, typically via official mail or online court system.
2. Before the hearing
• No party receives the final decision ahead of time. Judges cannot release the judgment in advance.
• All parties can submit final arguments, evidence, or motions up until the day of the hearing.
3. Written judgment
• Prepared and delivered after the hearing; sometimes lawyers see it digitally a few days later.

⸻

✅ Key takeaway

The parties cannot legally know the outcome one day earlier. They only learn the decision during or immediately after the hearing.

So for the October 30 hearing, NewJeans and ADOR will find out on that day, not before.”

[empty halo]

who though

multiple people from this chat have looked into whether or not both parties know the results beforehand and theyve found no evidence of that

I didnt either, i even tried to look specifically into if both parties knew the result if it was a case that involved celebrities and nothing came of it

and if they were notified of the results beforehand, if anything it makes the njz side seem more likely to win considering the fact that OOAK was announced

as compared to ador which just posted an animation for a silly anniversary

[hollow sorrel]

also if we follow this logic ‘they know the results before’ but the verdict itself only takes effect AFTER 10.30 9:50 KST

so the fact that ADOR posted Bunnies Day (if they knew the results already) just means that they were fulfilling their duties as NewJeans agency before the verdict takes effect so it doesn’t really mean anything

[empty halo]

and what would the reasoning behind telling both parties beforehand even be 💀 ❓ doesnt make sense

[hollow sorrel]

and I’m assuming the judge knows that HYBE/ADOR manipulates the media (because of the evidence presented by sejong like 1700 articles before Bubble Gum came out)

so what would even be the point of telling them if one side could prepare thousands of articles while the other side just sits because they barely have PR

[empty halo]

yes, and both sides probably have statements prepared for all outcomes of the lawsuit. its simply pointless to tell them the results beforehand if not flat out harmful

why does the judge entrust them with not leaking it? did they give him a pinky promise?

[strong stream]

guys will there be an announcement in here after court if they are free from hybe or not? Idk where to find the info

[simple knot]

Hopefully

[tawdry vessel]

m1lo i could be wrong

[rare dune]

im scared ffs

[waxen musk]

I feel nothing right now.

Ask me again 10 mins before the time comes.

[frozen granite]

Crazy how a group of 5 girls can make us feel so anxious

[upbeat stream]

Plus, if this was standard practice, there would surely be a source, but no one can find anything in korean media

[rare dune]

my entire year ruined after the judge orders 5 teenage girls to pay 8 quadrillion dollars to a big rich company

[empty jetty]

a single 160cm girl made security guards scared wdym

[rare dune]

tremble

[frozen granite]

Is #westandwithnjz or whatever it is trending on twitter?

[empty jetty]

idk man

[frozen granite]

I had heard there was over 300k tweets

Maybe it died down a bit

[empty jetty]

nope, bts is trending here tho

[rare dune]

my trending tab js always weird

[upbeat stream]

And the judges always have to be old men too 💀
Couldn't it have been a young woman? The likelihood of with njz would've been higher then

[rare dune]

have this ss from yesterday

[frozen granite]

Even if it was a young woman that wouldn’t mean anything lol

[empty jetty]

idk how to check trends on this new ui made by a 7yo on twitter headquarters

[wicked timber]

this sejong vs kim chang deserves an episode in a drama
like in taxi

[upbeat stream]

It was just a joke lol

[empty jetty]

theres going to be a kdrama about a similar story in a few years

[wicked timber]

really????????

[upbeat stream]

They are already making a k-drama inspired by mhj

[wicked timber]

can u link the mdl page?

[empty jetty]

let bae suzy be mhj pls

[upbeat stream]

It's Son Ye-jin

[empty jetty]

the label is named LYED there

[frozen granite]

I do find it weird how conservative sk is yet they have a boy kpop group whose theme is queer & non-androgynous & they had a trans girl kpop group back in the days

[rare dune]

anything for that bag

[empty jetty]

that shit is not accepted tho(there)

[frozen granite]

Same thing with Japan, they are super conservative, but their anime is not

[upbeat stream]

https://mydramalist.com/778788-variety

[empty jetty]

they try to appeal international audiences ig?

[upbeat stream]

When it was announced, they said it's roughly based on mhj, but with changes

[empty jetty]

also anime is kinda conservative too....

[frozen granite]

Most is not …

[frozen granite]

Is not accepted societally, but having kpop groups whose theme thrives from queer/androgynous stereotypes & culture is super hypocritical.

[cinder narwhal]

offtopic ngl

[empty jetty]

i do like them being there, its a small step for a country that needs a rocket ship tho

[frozen granite]

Hope the judges are somewhat progressive

[empty jetty]

just having common sense should be enough

[severe scarab]

heres a tweet about one of the judges

[hollow sorrel]

I wonder what will be in the verdict about MHJ's police investigation being dismissed because I find it ridiculously that a large part of the case is based on that she wanted to "takeover ADOR" and the police found absolutely nothing

[rare dune]

hmmmmm.. honestly looks decent

[frozen granite]

If they win I’m going to take & wear my OMG bunny hat to school

[rare dune]

if they win i’m gonna.. uhhhh study for my test

[empty jetty]

this hat is cool tho??? i saw someone wear it at the lsf concert

[strong stream]

When is the hearing?

Because wasn’t it the 30th? Or is that today because of timezones?

[upbeat stream]

9:50 AM KST, Oct 30th

That's Oct 29th in North America

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/fromjeanie/status/1983262773003071710

genie (@fromjeanie)

Does anyone else think that this being superbly childish is a little odd? Like nothing about NewJeans relates to this.. nor should it…

X · Oct 28, 2025, 8:01 PM

[wicked timber]

we need to meditate after

[stuck roost]

jeong hoeil, sherb, socrates, and haerin DO something💀😭🙏

[rare dune]

THE HELL U WANT ME TO DO

all i’m doing is dropping an edit

[cerulean coral]

So this is it ? Tomorrow is the last day for the whole thing ?

Im scared

[hollow sorrel]

probably not the last day

[feral tapir]

more like the big day

[frozen granite]

No one knows what is in their contracts right? It has never been publicized?

[feral tapir]

i dont think ive ever heard about what is in their contract

[upbeat stream]

Not their exact contract, but we do know the standard one. Theirs is based on it, with some changes

[heady gate]

Season finale

[wicked timber]

Season 2 - The first appeal

[cerulean coral]

Weird question but after how much time will the new come out ? Is it exactly while the hearing is going on or after an hour or ?

[rare dune]

we don’t know

[wicked timber]

guessing immediately
there will be audience

[cerulean coral]

So ig i have to wake up from the start

[rare dune]

not sure if they girls will show up

paparazzi and media will be crazy. hoping they stay safe

[cerulean coral]

Yeah

[heady gate]

The hearing begins at 9:50 EST. I would wait an hour before checking X, suspecting a lot of noise.

[frozen granite]

I wonder if their contract says that ador has the right to refuse the girls to pay for termination & if njz can still perform even if contract is terminated

[raven kelp]

it's going to be like 6 in the morning here, i'll just sleep

better to be just sad than sad AND tired

[empty jetty]

theres no L in newjeans smh, just a W

[heady gate]

I see binky.

[mild mist]

Usually they follow the press release format:
Tell people what you're going to tell them
Explain what you are telling them
Tell them what you have just told them

By the time they've finished the first bit everyone will have got the gist

[cinder verge]

what time will the verdict come out

[empty halo]

9:50am kst

[cinder verge]

how will the verdict be released to public is it like through press or smthn

[empty halo]

the press/bunnies who might be there who will be updating social media

[hollow sorrel]

I hope the full verdict will uploaded the same day

[upbeat stream]

The full verdict comes out a few days later

[subtle matrix]

What would be the point of having an established contract termination fee if one party can just refuse to accept it? The fee is high to serve as a deterrent, but if they want to pay it (unlikely even if they have financial backers) there's nothing ador can do

[empty jetty]

welcome to the idol industry

nothing makes logical sense and they dont get treated like human beings(but hey, label owners are rich)

[strong stream]

Is it 9:50 est today?

[empty halo]

if they lose i dont think theyll drag this out for longer

[empty halo]

its 9:50am kst

[subtle matrix]

NJZ or ador?

I'd be surprised if the losing party didn't appeal regardless of who it is

[empty halo]

njz, the penalty fee that ador will set will obviously be ridiculously high but the court will (most probably) change it something reasonable (not low, but realistic)

ador will appeal if they lose

for njz, its less sure. if they lose with a somewhat more progressive judge, appealing just feels even riskier

[strong stream]

I am hoping newjeans will win but I feel like the chances are really low if it’s simply some young adults wanting to appeal against the contract they signed for

[heady gate]

It is a typo, it supposed to be 9:50 KST.

[clear saffron]

Can someone ping me updates about what happens I don't have social media like x

[cerulean lake]

last time to look at some njz edits on tiktok in case the verdict doesn’t go our way and i shelve kpop for a while again..

[silk skiff]

Just look up xcancel.com/juantokki around 10AM KST

[empty halo]

come here after 10am kst, everyone will be discussing the verdict

[polar owl]

If we don't win (even partially), I don't think we should discuss anything. We should come back another day.

[cerulean lake]

idk i suspect people will either crash out or just be sad that they don’t even want to talk abt it

[alpine sapphire]

Will this be a end ! Or start of another year of court

Like tbh i want an end not a new start to appeals and court..

[polar owl]

Hybe, if they lose, will definitely want to file appeals, take it to higher courts - though the girls will no longer be under exclusive contract

[alpine sapphire]

Isn't it the case on both sides like even the girls loose won't they take it to higher court?

I hope it would be a partial win like some solid settlement

[polar owl]

I doubt that - if NJ lose, they might as well terminate the contract with a reasonable fine (as decided by another court case)

Time is currency

[subtle matrix]

Question is if this ruling will make any decision regarding setting a more reasonable termination fee or if they have to file another suit

[polar owl]

Most probably termination will be another suite

[subtle matrix]

In which case they might as well appeal this decision (this is all in the case they lose ofc)

[polar owl]

But if you appeal this, you will not be able to terminate. You are awaiting the result of the appeal.

Just delays things. If you lose here, most likely you will not win an appeal

[subtle matrix]

You can drop the appeal at any moment

[polar owl]

Only supreme court might have a more humanitarian view

[clear saffron]

Okk

[subtle matrix]

If they lose they can appeal, file a separate suit for a more reasonable termination fee, if granted they can just pay the fee and drop the appeal

[polar owl]

That's true, though

[polar owl]

These are contradictory cases. Courts may not accept

I mean you are appealing with a view that unilateral contract termination without payment of penalty was justified due to breakdown of trust

At the same time, can you apply to terminate with penalty?

Even if NJ win - can a higher court stay the decision? I mean bring things back to status quo - meaning NJ cannot work outside of Ador.

[subtle matrix]

These are absolutely not contradictory cases lol filing suit because the termination fee is unreasonably high does not mean they can't still believe they have legitimate reasons for unilaterally terminating the contract

The only scenario where these two separate suits could clash is if the courts made a decision on the termination fee before the appeal was concluded, in which case the appeals court might be less willing to rule for NJZ because "you already have a lower termination fee established by the court so just pay it" but winning on appeal is always a long shot so doesn't matter

Plus I would assume that the appeal process would always be concluded before a new termination fee suit

[short laurel]

njz will win tomorrow. 🙏

🕯️

So bsh n rm both were at apec. Kinda sad his own label doing opposite of his speech.

[fathom onyx]

🕯️

[silver warren]

Guys the case is 8:50pm for me today I’m so nervous but a nervous excited

Also is it ot5 or just some members or are they not showing up again

[smoky mesa]

is there a high chance of newjeans winning? Considering what happened with mhj and July 24th, as well team bunnies and industry experts demanding a lift on their ban, do we think they'll win?

[smoky mesa]

I have a feeling ot5 since this is the verdict after all

[silver warren]

It should be but knowing how Korean courts maybe but don’t let rhis put us down

[silver warren]

Yeah maybe

[tiny obsidian]

any updates?

[pseudo heath]

doesnt start till 9:50 kst which is a decent while away

[tiny obsidian]

oh okioki

[pseudo heath]

I dont think members will show up maybe 1 or 2 since theyll have representatives. But if they do show up it would be cool

[short laurel]

They should show up through back entry, hidden from the media.

[cinder narwhal]

they shouldn't show up at all. media and the internet would just feast on them if they lose

[wise basin]

Who do we think will attend?

[copper jetty]

Maybe no one

Idk if I want any of them there if the verdict goes south.

[wise basin]

Yup

[empty halo]

gonna reconnect w nature if they lose

[pseudo heath]

personally I dont think anyone will attend, but if someone does attend perhaps minji or danielle. If hanni attends and they lose i think media wont be good to her at all

[copper jetty]

Plus they should have their lawyer representatives there anyway so idk if they really need to be there. Idk if all the girls are even in S. Korea right now.

[copper jetty]

I'm gonna get out of kpop if they lose. Like permanently.

[empty halo]

the media wont be nice to anyone if they lose even minji or haerin who are the most popular in korea

[empty halo]

very valid

[pseudo heath]

yeah very true so hopefully none of them attend

[empty halo]

but how long will the entire thing even last? how will it go? will they just announce the verdict and end it?

[cinder narwhal]

I'll sell my collection if they lose

[pseudo heath]

i think they'll just announce it right? It shouldnt take too long but I may be wrong

[cinder narwhal]

from what I've seen in dramas 😂 yes just announce

[copper jetty]

Probably a couple of minutes only. They'll probably just read the verdict.

[empty halo]

okay good it better be quick

[pseudo heath]

Why, even if they lose theyre are likely to jus pay the termination fee and do a comeback

[cinder narwhal]

I'll start anew with them

[empty halo]

sell it to me (on a discount pls im broke)

[copper jetty]

I wouldn't sell my collection. I'll keep it as a memorabilia as to when they were called "newjeans"

Plus hybe wouldn't sell any more copies of the old albums so the price would skyrocket.

[empty halo]

really? the brand is still very profitable and im sure theyll still earn millions if they keep selling it. itll take a few years for the hype of those albums to die down

[copper jetty]

But njz's likeness if in case would now be tied up to njz and not newjeans...

[mild mist]

K-pop companies hate reprinting things

[copper jetty]

Plus I think most bunnies would start boycotting since the girls aren't involved and I doubt hybe would make more copies of an album that no fan is gonna buy

[empty halo]

oh

[silver warren]

No fr out of the members if they do show up hopefully NOT Hanni

[pseudo heath]

yeah hyein and hanni shouldnt go

[short laurel]

I thought court wants atleast 1 to be present. I remember translators mistranslating some stuff.

[silver warren]

But I feel like even if they do win the gp won’t care

[pseudo heath]

obviously I dont know them but I feel like for a 17yo its not good for them iykwim

[silver warren]

And by gp I mean armies

[silver warren]

No cause fr

[short laurel]

They will hate even if njz win so they don't matter

[silver warren]

Exactly

I hope they do because they will definitely be changing the industry if so

Sooo many Mistreated idols if have enough proof like newjeans could be free as well

[copper jetty]

I think this was for the mediation, I don't think this applies to the verdict announcement

Is there any translations that a member needs to be there for the verdict?

[short laurel]

No. Everyone said girls need to attend mediation. There was another time when translators said girls not have to attend but it turned out they had to.
I remember reading about it here but i not remember the details.

Anyways we'll know tomorrow

[copper jetty]

I remember the translations said at least 1 member needs to be present at the mediation. Idk if that applies to the verdict as well. I don't think it does unless the judge tells otherwise.

[short laurel]

I m talking about separate thing from mediation

[silver warren]

Is this going to be private as in we don’t know what was said until someone happens or what

Or we will know what was said or it’s gonna be recorded or smth idk

[empty halo]

there most likely will be bunnies present inside who will update their social media

[silver warren]

Maybe

Oh god I need this day to go by fast like now

[upbeat stream]

It's public, there will be tokkis as well as journalists in the courtroom

[silver warren]

But also slow so the girls can like have their sleep causs I believe it’s night in korea rn

And as well as take their time to get ready and everything

[cinder narwhal]

haven't seen this anywhere

[rugged dagger]

it's D day

[empty halo]

mightve been for the first mediation meeting, the judge recommended that at least one of the members be present

[rugged dagger]

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[fathom onyx]

can't believe it's today y'all
🥶

[grizzled summit]

Omggg I'm gonna go to school tmrw

Wait OMG it's in 12 hours???!!

[tiny obsidian]

hi guys

[grizzled summit]

So will I know the result the moment I wake up (6 30 am ist)

[astral dust]

I saw Korean tokkis said they would attend, and someone said official full ruling will be available to 3rd party aka public 1 week after ruling

[fathom onyx]

damn

[empty halo]

but we'll know if it's a win or a loss overall in 12 hours

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212483347188547627/1432171709884006551/New_Project_6_Copy_DC65CC0.gif

[astral dust]

Of course we would know the key result right away from tokkis mouth or public statements from the parties or journalists

But the full court ruling with reasonings will be available 1 week later if people wanted to have more tea

[fathom onyx]

understandable

[fathom onyx]

waiting for ur daily prayer already

[astral dust]

I bet tons of people will study this case regardless. It's a very high profile kpop case

Probably the most prominent one since JYJ lawsuit back then

[short laurel]

Again not mediation

[astral dust]

I dont see why the judges would request the parties to be there in person for the ruling

[empty halo]

🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[empty halo]

where did you hear it from

[short laurel]

We'll know tomorrow

[pseudo heath]

Final prayer circle
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[astral dust]

They required during meditation 1 time because they could access the members attitude there before ruling but now it's the end, there's no point

[short laurel]

This chat but doesn't matter now anyways.

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[astral dust]

And considering they're celebrities, no point in making the court work extra hard for security

[short laurel]

Stop bringing mediation when i said i'm not talking about mediation 😭

Lets move on.

[waxen musk]

EXACTLY 12 HOURS LEFT

[pseudo heath]

oh dear

[empty halo]

there's nothing to move on to

everyone knows everything they need to know
now we just wait

[waxen musk]

What is everyone going to do for 12 hours?

[astral dust]

Study for exam

[waxen musk]

I need to get new covers for my bed.

[short laurel]

I not mean that by move on.

[astral dust]

Read manhwa, watch shows

[empty halo]

what show i need to distract myself

[astral dust]

Im currently reading SSS class gacha hunter

[dusky tendon]

work for 10 hours

[empty halo]

i see

[empty halo]

living up to the name

[astral dust]

Or play fortnite, want to play with me?

[empty halo]

im literally gonna delete discord if they win bc i wont have any use of it 😭 I stopped being serious about this app ages ago I've just been here to get updates and understand the case

[astral dust]

Or play Palworld

[empty halo]

ask on #general-chat someone might be interested

[astral dust]

Aww. Keep the app for friends interactions?

[pseudo heath]

watch love untangled

[astral dust]

I stopped caring abt kpop since like Oct last year

[empty halo]

i moved all my discord friends to instagram i just dont use it like that anymore

[empty halo]

the concept of that show pmo, its just a girl with curly hair bro

[astral dust]

Ohhhh. I guess

[pseudo heath]

A lot of people said that but when u watch the movie its good

[empty halo]

hmm okay I'll look into it

[pseudo heath]

20th century girl but everyone has watched that

[native anchor]

njz related

[polar owl]

Judgement day is just one sleepless night away for me 😨

[astral dust]

Haven't admins of this discord been not too active since last year? I dont come here often anymore but I've noticed a slight change

[ashen charm]

5pm is the verdict

[native anchor]

so we should be less active?

[astral dust]

Idk...up to yall. I just asked a question

Anyway back to NJZ, the media storm will be ridiculous tomorrow regardless of the result

[polar owl]

This has been more active than I wished for

[ashen charm]

if they lose it isnt the end as trhey can appeal to the higher ciurt

[astral dust]

Prepare to see 22000 articles if Hybe win or an army of bots comments if NJZ win

[pseudo heath]

it wont be too beneficial to appeal

[silver warren]

Either way it’s gonna be misinformation from #them 3 fanbases

[polar owl]

Tomorrow is the start of a new beginning - it is surely not the end

[ashen charm]

they said if they lose or win they not coming back to ador

[pseudo heath]

yeah so they probably wont appeal and instead just pay termination fee

[silver warren]

Right the ruling is to see if they can leave hybe without paying the fee if not they are going to bay the fee

[astral dust]

From what i researched, appeal is hard in civil cases, they mostly just do minor adjustments, they wont completely overturn the ruling unless some major error in procedure happened

[silver warren]

Which is 1b won but is like 400k USD iirc

[ashen charm]

mhj agency can pay that

[pseudo heath]

appealing will only drag things out further, time is valuable and the quicker they come back the more of the fanbase they retain + i dont think the girls wanna wait any longer and they'll just want to resume activities.

[astral dust]

So far, the 3 judges have been carefully following proper procedure because there are a lot of eyes on this

[polar owl]

Not without investors

[pseudo heath]

I thought if they appeal they wont be able to continue with activities, correct me if im wrong

[astral dust]

If it's only 1 billion won, the member can afford it, even if it's 1 billion for each member

[empty halo]

even if you ignore them wanting to resume activities and assume they arent worried about time, appealing further is just risking another loss

[ashen charm]

she has hybe shares sell those and pay the fees

[empty halo]

werent estimates saying more than a hundred billion won or am I misremembering

[astral dust]

Im not sure. I didn't see anything abt the estimate penalty fee

[pseudo heath]

100 billion won without the adjustment?

[empty halo]

anyways that penalty fee will most likely be changed by the judge. it'll be high but realisitc

[ashen charm]

if it was for the whole contract its like 400m won but if its just a termination fee its less

[astral dust]

The judges will adjust the penalty fee if there's any, they have to take into the consideration that NJZ already paid back the initial investment many times over. So it's ridiculous to set an abnormal high amount for some young adults, who also suffered from this event.

[ashen charm]

ador keeps the ip regardless so i doubt the fee will be that much

[astral dust]

Yeah. That too. Ador/Hybe owns all the IPs, Newjeans has nothing so it's unreasonable to set a high penalty

[ashen charm]

plus they dont need the ip right away maybe in a year or 2

[astral dust]

They will promote as NJZ like they did before

[ashen charm]

yeah thats why im not worried had the ip been included it wouldve been alot more stressfull

[astral dust]

Im not sure if they can do Taylor Swift route for old songs as i dont know Kr laws

[empty halo]

having the name would be great though. going from newjeans to njz to back to newjeans bc of the injunction and then njz after the termination and then back to newjeans whenever they get the ip back is confusing for locals who keep up w them. theyre either gonna need to get the ip first or fully commit to NJZ

[astral dust]

It's impossible as NJZ were registered under the members real names

[short laurel]

it's okay NJZ will be shortern form of newjeans for us fans.

[empty halo]

if theyre gonna go as NJZ under ooak i doubt they're gonna ever revert back to newjeans

[astral dust]

Agree, they should just go as NJZ, like how JYJ did

[short laurel]

NewJeanZ

[ashen charm]

yeah but fans will still bring binkbongs and old merch to shows its like they never left

[empty halo]

they have to think about the average consumer too, not just dedicated fans who know of everything. after all locals are njz's biggest demographic too

[empty halo]

thats different, the name they go by is important for their identity

[astral dust]

They should grow fandom with new releases under NJZ

Newjeans IP with Ador but ultimately people will always associate them with Newjeans

[empty halo]

i think theyre gonna commit to njz

[cinder narwhal]

sleep it's night lol

[ashen charm]

lets be real newjeans wanting to get the ip is gunna take 1-2 years since its the hottest ip and worth millions same reason why ador keeps milking content

[astral dust]

Just like Jessica from SNSD, JYJ from DBXQ?

[empty halo]

jessica from snsd? did she have an issue with IP

[short laurel]

it's okay IP is not only the name but content too. regradless of the name, winning IP gives them their music.

[empty halo]

or her name?

[empty halo]

yes theyre most probably gonna fight for their content

[astral dust]

She cant say SNSD Jessica anymore like how Newjeans couldn't introduce themselves as Newjeans after termination announcement.

[empty halo]

what happens if they get their IP tho? will hybe stop selling the old albums + merch?

[short laurel]

it would've been so easy if court considered hybe and ador as one.

[empty halo]

ohh so she cant connect herself to snsd basically

[astral dust]

Yup. Absolutely no mention of SNSD in official business

[short laurel]

i think if hybe lose njz, they will have to stop selling merch right away. idk

[empty halo]

will they start selling their older albums themselves or will they be discontinued? I hope not I really wanted omg 💔

[empty halo]

hmm im not sure if she's interested in doing that either bc i don't think she loved her time in snsd but that's off topic

[short laurel]

they will become rare pieces.

[astral dust]

Did you try to order them online? Im pretty sure you can find some, they're not that rare

[rugged dagger]

i spent $400 yesterday on their albums

[empty halo]

yeah maybe, i dont really wanna purchase them from weverse bc hybe would make the profit

[astral dust]

For now at least. Im pretty sure i saw them on amazon and at random stores in Korea

[empty halo]

bro WHAT
how many of them

[rugged dagger]

got the full set of 1st ep bags. hoping i dont get scammed

[ashen charm]

only rare one is the book bag pricey seasongreetings are pretty easy to find

[astral dust]

Not weverse, i was talking abt 3rd parties. But regardless where you buy, Hybe will profit from it

[empty halo]

where did you get them from

[pseudo heath]

if they get discontinued id be very annoyed 😭😭

[rugged dagger]

ebay. i saw a listing on shop for $50 but they wouldn't ship to US. paid $120 each for them on ebay

[empty halo]

how will hybe make a profit if I'm buying a re-sell

[ashen charm]

you got like 1 year before njz get there ip back and albums go extrinct

[astral dust]

Because Hybe distributed it originally? They already profited from it

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/choking-choking-emote-gif-4834953046538741679

[rugged dagger]

they literally don't go for anything below $100 from what I've seen

[astral dust]

The bag version?

[empty halo]

bro thats CRAZY

[pseudo heath]

I mean yeah but if she buys it resell hybe doesnt gain anything from the second sale

[rugged dagger]

yeah

[empty halo]

bro me buying that second hand isnt gonna profit hybe for a second time

[astral dust]

https://a.co/d/h1czGfD

[rugged dagger]

finally bit the bullet because they're only going to get more expensive and more rare, especially unsealed

[astral dust]

This?

[pseudo heath]

Good choice

[rugged dagger]

i meant 1st ep bag ver.

[empty halo]

attention

[astral dust]

Ah, the one eith doodles on it?

[empty halo]

that bags 2 die 4. I heard that in korea you still see people on the train wearing that bag all the time, its so cute

[astral dust]

Isn't that limited edition?

[polar owl]

Showing $31 with shipping

[rugged dagger]

for what?

[short laurel]

bags from mhj work under SM. people still use them.

[polar owl]

this link

[rugged dagger]

i think you could find cheaper with shipping as well. i dont know where you live though

[empty halo]

if newjeans gets the IP how unlikely is it that they start producing and selling those old albums (im coping)

[short laurel]

tbh expect redesigned ver.

[astral dust]

https://a.co/d/fE2tAg4

[rugged dagger]

heh, I'm og

[empty halo]

yeah actually they're probably gonna release anniversary versions I HOPE they do

[astral dust]

It showed $16 for me

[polar owl]

They will be able to perform these songs in a concert

[rugged dagger]

i WILL be at said concert

[polar owl]

Shipping to my country is expensive

[astral dust]

Ohh. Sorry. Maybe try local kpop stores?

Probably can find cheaper ones on taobao or alibaba

[pseudo heath]

Not bad

[empty halo]

there are NO local kpop stores in my country 💔
america pmo bc wdym you can just go to fuckass target and find physical albums

[polar owl]

If NJZ has no rights to their old songs, I hope they can still cover them.

[empty halo]

i checked out prices too today they were less expensive then what i expected

[pseudo heath]

Real

[empty halo]

idk why i thought I'd have to sell a kidney to buy a physical album

[rugged dagger]

wdym there ARE kpop shops in america. and you CAN find them in target

[astral dust]

We have a lot albums with free shipping on amazon and Walmart too

[pseudo heath]

in target is crazy to me

[pseudo heath]

like while shopping you can jus check if kpop aisle is restocked

so unfair

[short laurel]

check with some grouporder accounts on IG. big orders makes delivery cheaper.

[rugged dagger]

i literally bought another haerin blue book like a week ago from a kpop shop

[empty halo]

its what I heard from youtubers 💔 they go to certain marketplaces/stores. also as for albums in target i was just talking generally, not specifically about kpop

[ashen charm]

expect ador not sell the ip

[empty halo]

"kpop shop"
imagine just having kpop shops

[rugged dagger]

oh but from my experience there are a lot of albums of kpop and others. including at walmart too

[empty halo]

not very trustworthy are they

[short laurel]

if u are in india i know a trustworthy one. others yea have to find.

[empty halo]

dpmo

[rugged dagger]

i live in/near a big US city so maybe that's why. you'd probably have trouble if you lived somewhere in like idaho or oklahoma idk

[polar owl]

I am only buying NJZ merch hereafter.

[empty halo]

i see

[astral dust]

Just order from amazon

They're on sale all the time. https://a.co/d/f80Cj3V

Like Minji ver OMG for like $15.51, free shipping

[short laurel]

some countries amazon not have it available. and cross country amazon has risks. experienced it be4.

[clear hill]

I live in a predominantly asian part of my city so I’m quite lucky I don’t have to search far and wide to look for them

[empty halo]

just rubbing it in 💔

[clear hill]

I’m sorry 😭😭

[short laurel]

where do u live ?

[clear hill]

Mayve you can go on a fb group for newjeans that’s based in India and ask around? Also some fb fan groups have marketplaces from ppl selling their stuff

[pseudo heath]

im pretty sure in london theres a few kpop stores but I jus know its gonna be overpriced 🫩

[empty halo]

perhaps

ill get njz's first album trust

[short laurel]

if it's india, just try asking the grouporder IG. i brought my kpop stuff from her.

[clear hill]

Which one are you gonna get? I want the group one lol

[astral dust]

RIP

[clear hill]

Why so pessimistic? In end end it’ll work out well like they said. No need to dwell on the negative part.

[astral dust]

Well, because it sounded like there'd be more huddles before the good end that we dont know when. The painful process is what making me pessimistic

[fathom onyx]

real

[snow furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/what-did-you-say-negativity-is-like-an-addiction-unsheathe-sword-gif-11099358945279363853

[empty halo]

same, I've tried my best to find a bias but I'm just ot5

this goes for all groups I like lowk I never have a bias 😭

[fathom onyx]

yea and the 5 girls actually own the NJZ name which is great