NJZ Updates and Discussion

[empty jetty]

Im still sad we never got to see the gender neutral concept of NJZ

[pseudo heath]

i think he looks cute 😭

[clear hill]

But she meshes western culture so well with sk culture it creates something new. Something I hate is when kpop fans say “kpop used to be Korean” but the thing is, the earlier you go the more you see just how much western influence is in kpop and that inherent cultural display is evident and has always been evident throughout kpop. The concept of an idol comes from japan and often times people mistake kpop with idol culture. What I like about mhj is how her unorthodox ideas,her concepts conceived the very image of how we know kpop as of today.

[empty halo]

he looks so..... ominous..... i dont know......

[empty halo]

"kpop used to be korean"
youre from like texas sit down

[clear hill]

Like you were not there to witness brittney spears giving birth to second gen kpop 😭🤚

[empty halo]

some stans act like the defenders of korean culture 😭
its like kpop maga

im crying the kpop ecosystem is so vast complex and brainrotted

kpop has been trying to appeal to the west since snsd got big there. its NOT new sybau

[pseudo heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212483347188547627/1432093482599710780/New_Project_6_Copy_DC65CC0.gif

[empty halo]

STOP 🛑

[clear hill]

A lot of it comes from downright fetishization of East Asian culture and their unwillingness to realize that. They don’t like the aspect of kpop, they like the rose coloured lens of kpop that is sunshine and rainbows and peaches and cream

They differentiate kpop from other music because they see it as fiction and a way for them to tune out from reality

[empty halo]

kpop has had english lyrics, attempts at appealing to the west and adherence to western trends from forever

[honest sky]

Bad girl good girl

[old cypress]

even before (wonder girls)

[clear hill]

It’s also extremely historical since SK’s proximity to the US has always given SK (and japan too) a bit of western culture but unfortunately there will always be an underlying orientalist view of east Asia coming from America because of how foreign it is culturally speaking. That’s why we have kaylee from the Midwest defending her fav bg from controversies bc “he doesn’t know American culture 🥺 he lives in Korea they don’t know it’s wrong!!”, they don’t know how to treat these idols normally and not like fucking et

[empty halo]

*kayleigh

[upbeat stream]

korean rapper Seven (signed to YG) promoted in the US too. He's one of the earliest I believe, if not the first

[clear hill]

Yea but she goes by Mochi on discord

[empty halo]

her pfp is a random east asian girl from pinterest

[clear hill]

The same can be said w anime fans, they treat Japanese ppl like infants and it’s not flattering or sweet or wholesome,it’s downright dehumanizing

[clear hill]

#rcta is valid #wonyoungism 🌸

[upbeat stream]

In fact, western pop culture was way more influential in Korea and Japan in the past. Nowadays, they don't care much about it

[empty halo]

listens to "get monolids (forced)" subliminal on youtube

[upbeat stream]

Western music and movies have suffered a huge decline in both countries

[clear hill]

It reminds me of this meme

[empty halo]

they still have an impact on kpop tho

[empty halo]

im not sure about jpop but I think its more of a bubble of its own

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, I meant in terms of the general audience consuming content from the west

[empty halo]

not that influenced by western trends

[upbeat stream]

Measurable big decline

[empty halo]

love this tweet LFMSODJRNZ

[empty halo]

why though? is it bc kpop/kdramas meet all their needs for music/entertainment now?

[native anchor]

please keep the theme njz related

[upbeat stream]

I suppose. The only foreign music that charts in japan is kpop, and Koreans just listen to their own music almost exclusively these days. And in cinema, it's the opposite. Korea loves anime while Japan is completely ruled by anime and local films

[empty halo]

sorry

[upbeat stream]

Sorry, things always drift away when we start yapping

[empty halo]

makes sense

[native anchor]

all good

[empty halo]

rei's already midway through the off topic paragaph

[wise basin]

Chat rn

[clear hill]

Jpop although unrecognizable from the western influence, is still western influenced. Alot of the youth culture/Japanese subcultures is heavily influenced by similar American movements. The non conformity aspect of it and the extreme contrast to the rigid Japanese monolithic society and the otaku culture (shoutout to japans pr team) makes jpop extremely different from kpop

[wise basin]

I can't keep up

[clear hill]

But ykw to bring it back to njz, I like how their Japanese debut showcased the maximalist aspect of newjeans. Hanni’s iconic blue coral reef performance and hyein’s cover of plastic love is soooo perfect

[upbeat stream]

And the unwillingness to change, they still love bands while most of the world has (regrettably) moved on

[empty halo]

I love maximalist jeans, I need more of them

[empty halo]

this, I feel like they adopted things from the west of the past and still nurture and go on with it while kpop keeps up with the west of the present

[clear hill]

I find that SK can be quite minimalist and when idols debut for the first time in jp I like how it’s usually the norm to go outside the comfort zone concept wise for groups

[empty halo]

speaking of Japan I remembering hearing someone mention ditto's visuals were inspired by old Japanese arthouse films

[clear hill]

The foundation of the present kpop is newjeans and that’s aura. They’ll never have to keep up

[empty halo]

which is accurate

ditto's visuals are still my fave to this day, yes they weren't extremely maximalist and out there but AAAAHDHDJDJHDJAS it was so good

[clear hill]

I hope I don’t get crucified for this from multistans but h2h’s choreography reminded me sooo much of super shy. Newjeans have cemented their FOOT in 5th gen whether ppl like it or not

[empty halo]

I still like the Ban Heesoo channel and whenever I remember it exists I go on it and watch those videos

[frozen granite]

Why is everyone so active ? What’s going on ?

[empty halo]

their debut song was also not necessarily something newjeans would release but was clearly inspired by that easy listening trend nwjns started. their music has evolved to be less newjeans like and more classic cute kpop gg tho

[upbeat stream]

One reason why newjeans feels so different is because some of their staff don't work with the rest of kpop, making them exclusive. Like it still blows my mind that Shin Woo seok has only directed 4 kpop group M/Vs: Ditto, OMG, Cool With You and ETA

Same with 250 and FRNK

[empty halo]

we went off topic and started talking about mentally ill armys, min heejins art direction, orientalism in kpop and jpop

[upbeat stream]

And now back to njz. Full circle moment

[empty halo]

I don't think I'll be active on this server after this chat disappears 😭

[empty jetty]

The magic of the updates channel

[empty jetty]

I think I’ll be ia here until next cb, I used all my topics already

[frozen granite]

Wym

[pseudo heath]

its getting closer to oct 30

[clear hill]

You can definitely hear the newjeans influence In the chase and see it in the concept photos as well as album. The way they debuted w attention and had everyone listening to hype boy then cementing their brand image in get up era. Like wow I literally witnessed the Mona Lisa being painted in real time

[empty halo]

I like it bc people have good discussions about various things here, unfortunately it's just limited to nwjns topics

[empty jetty]

They closing the channel after the results

[empty halo]

Ill be active here till it dies

[frozen granite]

They announced it?

[upbeat stream]

Like he doesn't even need to work with kpop. He films cfs, works with the government on official campaigns and models for hermes. What a guy 😭

[empty jetty]

Gen chat is fun, I recommend

It’s brainroted sometimes tho

[empty halo]

No but someone mentioned it, was it speedwagon?

[empty halo]

alright thank you I'll try chatting there if I'm bored

[pseudo heath]

hmm idt it was me but i do remember them saying that this thread would be closed after oct 30 or some time around them

[clear hill]

The great extinction of njz updates and discussions 💔🥀

[red thorn]

Old ador outsourced established or talented graphic design studio/designer that wasn't in kpop too, nj was their first and now look at them they hired by other groups

[empty jetty]

1spacialcow and Joy said that this chat is getting closed after October 30th

[upbeat stream]

I doubt they were serious. Wouldn't there be more to talk about after Oct 30, especially if they win?

[empty halo]

IM SOOO GRATEFUL FOR BEING THERE FROM DAY #1 AND SEEING IT ALL PLAY OUT IN REAL TIME AHAHHA, actually I was there from day minus 50, I was there when ador was just created and were posting those fun 3d visualisers

[upbeat stream]

If they lose, I won't be talking much anyway. I am gonna go hibernate

[pseudo heath]

i agree even after oct 30 there will be lots to talk about their future esp about ooak and how newjeans will advance following the court date

[clear hill]

I was there when ppl were making fun of their name newjeans 😭ppl were joking about the fandom name being denim lmaooo,, albeit I wasn’t part of the fandom

[empty halo]

I was confused the day attention dropped. I knew this new hybe subsidiary was debuting a girl group but there were no teasers. Had I missed the teasers? Whats going on

[empty jetty]

Pockets would have been a fun name

I definitely love bunnies tho and wouldn’t change it

[empty halo]

I lowkey was a bit weirded out by the name but this youtuber explained its a play on the words new-genes and I eventually got around to it

[upbeat stream]

Same. I was a big gg stan so I saw everything as an outsider. I loved their debut songs so much and finally decided to stan during Ditto era

[empty halo]

I started stanning the day they dropped cookie 😭 it was right up my alley I just loved everything about them

and hyein especially really caught my eye bc she was born in the same year as me and I was so surprised by someone my age being so talented

[pseudo heath]

only started listening to them properly recently but when i first saw OMG i was enticed despite not listening to any kpop before it

[empty halo]

I love her sm

[empty jetty]

Someone recommended NewJeans to me last year and I kinda loved the music

I already knew super shy and gods so I was like "damn all of this is good"

[upbeat stream]

Did you know about the controversy? That thing was everywhere. As a casual listener, I never noticed anything wrong with the song so I was surprised by all the outrage online

[frozen granite]

Regardless of what the court says ?

[half knot]

They do realize even if the girls win or if ador wins, there will be appeals regardless, right?

[empty halo]

I didn't notice anything weird about it either until I saw some american youtubers talk about the lyrics and frame them as sexual. After seeing their interpretation I was weirded out so I listened to the song again and idk I just didnt really hear it?

[empty jetty]

We winning anyways
Stream right now

[half knot]

there are almost no kpop contract cases where it was settled after the first ruling

even BBC despite being defunct and bankrupt took Chuu and the loona girls all the way to the supreme court

there are TS Entertainment cases that took 5 years of back and forth lawsuits despite the company not even existing.

[frozen granite]

Is newjeans trending on twitter ? I heard there are many fan bases siding with the girls

[upbeat stream]

K-tokkis keep saying this case will go to the supreme court, and that's where njz will have their best chance to win

I don't know how true that is, but wow, they have got patience and resolve

[empty halo]

i dont think the case playing out in the background is as much of a concern as them being able to restart activities, something they seem eager to do too

[frozen granite]

Agh no I don’t condone this energy

[empty jetty]

Im confident enough on them winning this one

[frozen granite]

I can’t wait any longer 🫩

[empty jetty]

But I see the legal issues existing for a couple years after this

[frozen granite]

Well even if they lose I’m sure they’ll decide to pay the penalty fee

[upbeat stream]

I swear korean fans are built different, nothing fazes them

[frozen granite]

Even if it takes years, I’m sure they’ll continue with their activities while paying their debt

[empty jetty]

They are used to this

[wicked timber]

how many hours you spent on this

[pseudo heath]

not me but @snow furnace

its fire though

[frozen granite]

This did get me thinking, do you guys think it will get dragged out to this ? I wonder if the girls would want this, I guess if they refuse to pay this could perhaps be a possibility

[dull geyser]

did someone say queer tokki

[rare dune]

me too man me too

[clear hill]

No fr😭

[tired cairn]

I've got some things on Nov 1st but I'm probably gonna be distracted by and regardless of the results Thursday. At least this chat was possible to keep up with, if we're forced to go to general I'll start missing updates. I like that this is a "secret" place for more nuanced discussion

Is there a point to this message? idk lmao I'm so tired

[clear hill]

I hope this forum doesn’t get closed after oct 30th lowkey, I’ll never get credible newjeans source ever again cause I’m not on twt lol💔

[fathom onyx]

true

[wicked timber]

https://x.com/Splias/status/1982580362825105857

Lia (@Splias)

Hanni sued a online commenter for defamation and spreading false information regarding her speech during the National Assembly 👏

🔗 https://t.co/pEVkz7MBxz…

X · Oct 26, 2025, 10:49 PM

was this talked about?

[cinder narwhal]

fake news

the link doesn't even lead to anywhere

[wicked timber]

thats because twitter shortens the url

im trying to find the article

[cinder narwhal]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/016/0002547547

ok not fake news mb

[frozen granite]

Queen !

[cinder narwhal]

they settled

[wicked timber]

hanni's too kind

[bronze talon]

mute/block this fake tokki
spreading false news and facts perma 247

wait she actually did? ermmm

[wicked timber]

someone will translate it soon

[red thorn]

More malicious comments in this article
People

[bronze talon]

not you, the twitter account

[cinder narwhal]

they meant lia

[wicked timber]

oh the user

[bronze talon]

they are known for spreading lies

[wicked timber]

sorry i misunderstood you

[bronze talon]

all good

[copper current]

you go girl, pay back those hurt you, fight for yourself ~t https://x.com/NJZBAM2/status/1982575882612171126

YB (@NJZBAM2)

Hanni had filed a criminal complaint against an online commenter who mocked her for speaking out about workplace bullying.

The Commenter narrowly avoided becoming a convicted criminal after reaching a settlement with Hanni.
🔗 https://t.co/B3V85N8eDS

X · Oct 26, 2025, 10:31 PM

[feral tapir]

she shouldve dragged em🥀

[clear hill]

Is this recent?

[snow furnace]

ah yeahh, if this recent, she just turned the card back

[astral dust]

https://x.com/nwjns_244/status/1982377861882486856?s=46&t=kXGhBk_3DiP7ccDDKf8qcQ

🐇244🧢 🏁 (@NWJNS_244)

🕊️OOAK records🫆
まだ工事中だったけど🧢ミンヒジンさんの今後の展開が楽しみ！
大通りから入った路地裏で周りにコーヒーショップがあったり、少し歩けばヘリンの好きなブランド、NICE WEATHER MARKETがあったりするオシャレエリア。(おそろキャップ購入♪)

X · Oct 26, 2025, 9:24 AM

[waxen musk]

Hanni can't do anything nice without people hating that too:
https://x.com/tina2nHR/status/1982623845887729949

tin #MAOMAO'S CHEERLEADER🐈‍⬛🖤 (@tina2nHR)

and i fucking hate the media too cause they opened the comment section(again) and focused on how the criminal avoided punishment more than hanni giving that shithead mercy. now hanni is being subjected to hate AGAIN by incels over 40 years old.

X · Oct 27, 2025, 1:42 AM

[empty halo]

a swiftie w 12k followers is crazy

[waxen musk]

My Twitter page is just overwhelming amounts of support.

It's Monday here and it's weird that I can now say THIS WEEK will decide NJZ's freedom.

This is from the interviews in March:

Minji : “There are very few media outlets in Korea that raise our voices, but we will not give in to that and will continue to work happily without giving up.”
I don't know what the girls are supposed to do. They basically can't trust Korean media at all. But avoiding it and resorting to non-Korean media just makes idiots think they are anti-Korea.
I really wonder how the media handles everything this week, before and after the date.

https://x.com/NJZBAM2/status/1982623456941228370

YB (@NJZBAM2)

President Lee Jae-myung highlighted the cultural ties between Korea and ASEAN by mentioning BLACKPINK’s Thai-born member Lisa and NJZ’ Vietnamese member Hanni.

“Their success symbolizes how closely Korea and ASEAN can be connected.”

🔗 https://t.co/XbvDElWgTb

X · Oct 27, 2025, 1:40 AM

Lisa and Hanni mentioned positively by the Korean president in report today.

Some criticism regarding this statement from the president which I can agree with:

https://x.com/breadjeanz_/status/1982628112245604538

lyvꕤ⋆˖·໒꒱ (@breadjeanz_)

what is this tone deaf bs. you can't even take action against the company nor media that exploited Hanni's visa status to stoke xenophobic and racist hate and you want more asean artists to come to korea to "realize their hopes"?? and kr dont even consider idols as workers ffs

X · Oct 27, 2025, 1:59 AM

I know her name is ultimately just being used for political reasons. But at least it's in a positive way and one of the first names brought up, implying her image is a positive one that the whole nation can support. There's still some good to it even if you can be cynical in why it's being said, with everything else going on.

[old cypress]

Not trying to defend him but what exactly is the president supposed to do? Attack the media?

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/xgfiction/status/1982205284006129936?t=Vnybe2siQyODDYovZNg9IQ&s=19 -c

🐇 (@xgfiction)

no wonder the mediations between njs & ador failed because why the FUCK are you even proposing to have BSH as some sort of advisor for the label????

X · Oct 25, 2025, 9:59 PM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1982205284006129936 does not contain any media!

[copper jetty]

Uhmm is this right? They want BSH to be an advisor for Ador???

[cinder narwhal]

yes. it's nobody on the internet they hold as much clout as adorsupporter

[old cypress]

I think adormeditate is just some weirdo writing fanfics

[copper jetty]

Ohhh... is it that one guy who did a pr stunt in front of hybe then hybe used that for the case

[old cypress]

doing that shit a week before the final ruling makes zero sense

[rugged dagger]

oh say it dihtto 🥀

[copper current]

recent

[copper current]

This is what it is for being kind. Hanni forgave the incel and below the article about her forgiving him, 40 years old men/bots left nasty comments about her and the article is like the criminal was forgiven for malicious comments. the article is used to encourage more nasty comments toward Hanni. I wish she could have let the system punish the criminals. She is too kind and forgiving ~t https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1982638508893409750

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

hanni those incels don’t deserve your kindness

X · Oct 27, 2025, 2:40 AM

[short laurel]

There's not much we can say about others legally speaking.
But lee jaesang who openly said to ruin newjeans is director by these maybe hybe paid account. Smh

Also media again posting news about hanni with open comments but news about hybe with comments off.
They forgot why they made articles on celebrities with comments close. Even after soo many unaliving incidents they nvr learn.

[ashen charm]

Those 40 year old are most likely investors

[hollow sorrel]

Hanni is too kind hearted because I could never

[ashen charm]

i wouldve went for the throat

[rugged dagger]

hanni pam

https://tenor.com/view/yunkistarz-newjeans-hanni-hanni-pham-newjeans-hanni-gif-7138946807849602355

[frozen granite]

Me when I’m trying to serve but can’t bc I am chopped

[upbeat stream]

Bruh, submitting petitions so late? idk what's even the point

One of them is TeamOOOOOO, so it might be team bunnies

[red thorn]

'Peer pressuring' the judge lol

[upbeat stream]

It's too late for anything I'm afraid. If it's really team bunnies, this is incredibly stupid

[copper jetty]

We don't know anything happening with the case though... maybe it's a supplemental evidence in which the court asked for it. It doesn't make sense for both of the teams to be submitting things this late aside from if the judge asked them to submit additional evidences

[flint stone]

Where did they even got this info? Aren't mediation details supposed to be private? Or what meeting are they talking about?

[wicked timber]

i trust team bunnies with my life

[wise basin]

https://x.com/nwjnsev/status/1982682800802415058?t=wbsSR2_Qr9feVpNUUjtYNg&s=33

sevynn ⭑.ᐟ (@nwjnsev)

i’m sorry this is fucking insane??? thank you all so so much from the bottom of my heart omfg? 😭🩷🐰

#WeStandWithNJZ
#WeSupportNJZ

X · Oct 27, 2025, 5:36 AM

[copper jetty]

Nah I think it's just a random weirdo guy. Let's not pay mind to them. The mediation details are still not known.

[short laurel]

It's probably that random dude who did solo meeting outside hybe to support ador. I m sure all those few ador supporter accounts are just 1 person

[empty halo]

daily prayer circle
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[upbeat stream]

In that case, the ruling should get delayed. It's a matter of time. As I've said before, lawsuit rulings are lengthy and take time to draft and finalize. They also undergo legal review. Even for the injunction order (which is simpler and shorter), the court stopped accepting documents a week prior. Sejong and K&C stopped submitting evidence on the 17th in this case.

3 days is surely not enough to make any changes

[frozen granite]

What are the chances of the ruling getting delayed?

[hollow sorrel]

the other one is Lee------ I wonder who

[frozen granite]

Are the petitions from the girls side ?

[wicked timber]

both

[hollow sorrel]

maybe him he is a lawyer who has been supporting the girls online ever since it started

[frozen granite]

Do yall think the ruling will get delayed given the last minute petitions?

[hollow sorrel]

I heard it's very very rare for verdicts to be delayed so probably not

[waxen musk]

If it gets delayed over mere petitions then it's time to worry. I'm not worrying yet.

Only because it implies the petitions are a larger decision factor than they probably should be.

Anyway it hasn't been delayed so stop willing a delay into existance.

[storm warren]

doesn't affect it

[hollow sorrel]

thinking about the instagram live they did as NJZ where Hyein said they will have an agency soon... Maybe she was referring to OOAK at the time

[upbeat stream]

Also, I didn't mention this earlier but petitions are never requested by the court. And if there's a request made to either side, it shows up here. As you can see, no request since July 21st, 3 days before the final hearing

[waxen musk]

Yeah I think the accounts that said they’d stop posting daily updates about these court updates made the right decision because with the people who do post them, we just over analyse and worry.

[wicked timber]

well better to send something than nothing imo

[raven kelp]

i was checking the pinned legal schedule, isn't mhj vs employee b already done? or am i missing something

i recall some updates about her saying it's a partial win

[wicked timber]

https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1982704179853549755

𝙡𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧🦞 (@yo_lobster)

Do you know, if you use Caesar Cipher with a shift of –1 (each letter moves one step back in the alphabet)...

O → N
O → N
A → Z
K → J

Remove the duplicate N and rearrange, OOAK becomes NJZ 🤧

and... OK (오케이) = NJ ✨🥹

#WeSupportNJZ
#WeStandWithNJZ

X · Oct 27, 2025, 7:01 AM

even the hangul
it cannot be an accident

[short laurel]

saperate but related case.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1982712165116301798

1tokki (@juantokki)

[English Translation]

To 301:
It’s not a government-hosted event. They literally said it’s lobbying. ☆Lobbying☆

116.
There are three Korean members on the APEC Business Advisory Council (ABAC). Two of them, from last year, are chaebol heirs: Cho Hyun-sang from Hyosung and

X · Oct 27, 2025, 7:33 AM

[bronze talon]

It's not nah

[red thorn]

That was mhj's objection case regarding the ministry labor and employment judgement.
The reason Mhj vs B trial was delayed

[short laurel]

whats tldr?

[copper current]

For article in which it says Bang PD joined APEC meeting to talk business, a fraud that is bragging to talk highly and mighty in ASEAn events

[bronze talon]

This could also hint at them staying on the name NJZ
Maybe this could mean that it's very unlikely they get the newjeans ip back, who knows
Maybe I'm very wrong

[raven kelp]

ah got it thanks

[wicked timber]

i kinda gave up on their ip
hybe wont give it back not a chance
they would be fighting for like 10 years

[bronze talon]

Idk how likely it can actually be and I do agree like 90+%
Tbh I don't mind it either way
It's like a complete new start and I kinda fw it even if I would prefer their original ip

[short laurel]

do we know what APEC is about exactly. from what i understood it's seem they'll do something that could harm njz case..

[bronze talon]

I mean you probably could think why
There's just meaning history feelings connections and memories connected to it

[wicked timber]

it has a sentimental value for the girls, so of course i wish for it back
but all ive seen from hybe is hate and pettiness

[bronze talon]

The girls said it themselves why they want it back as well
Saying not wanting to give up on it is really nice and proves something

[wicked timber]

also cant wait for 30th so ador stops with this fake posting

it gets under my skin

[bronze talon]

It's kinda disturbing seeing recycled content to milk some more every other week
I've been not watching any of the content since it's not any new

[wicked timber]

really shameless

[bronze talon]

Makes me wonder how many of the people who watch them don't know anything about what's going on
Probably low % but there has to be some people who don't know anything about what's going on

[copper jetty]

It's an economic coalition of countries in the Asia pacific plus Canada and US. They usually pledge building business ties there etc.

[short laurel]

ooh. still why bsh allowed in there. what lobbying ppl talking about

[cinder narwhal]

yeah what's the big deal

it still is some show of support even if we don't know which side

[empty halo]

if theyve paid for phoning and have been getting 0 content for months im sure they know at least to some extent lmao

most people (and tokkis too) dont know all the details of the lawsuit and dont care they just want newjeans back

[bronze talon]

not everyone is paying for phoning including me
just talking about the casual yt frogs and music enjoyers

[empty halo]

what are yt frogs

[bronze talon]

casual yt video watchers idk

[rugged dagger]

bro YOU used the expression fym you don't know 😭

[plucky cloud]

2 DAYS.

[fathom onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1082955461499822090.webp?size=96&animated=true

looking for shitsalad

[plucky cloud]

i need this to be over with so they can release a full album, PLEASE

[wise basin]

Chat 48 HOURS left can’ttt survive Thursday

[fathom onyx]

I think it's more like 57 hours

[wise basin]

Yall pray hard

[fathom onyx]

yessss

[wise basin]

Yes till 9am kst

[waxen musk]

Two more sleeps

[rugged dagger]

we missed 67 hours

[raven kelp]

ugh 3 more sleeps for me

[upbeat stream]

Ruling is 4:50 AM for me which is such a horrible timing. I know I won't get any sleep that night

[wise basin]

They will win inshallah

[wicked timber]

before doom

[waxen musk]

I think I’ve seen more people lose their optimism, including me, these last few days. Not for any particular reason to be honest. I think it’s natural though. Better to set yourself up for surprise rather than for disappointment.

[wicked timber]

im wondering if bunnies could hold a donation rally if they lose

i dont want them to pay a CENT to that company

[fathom onyx]

that'd be cool but aren't we talking like millions of dollars? 😅

[waxen musk]

Week long charity events can like get 1 or 2 million. And that’s for charity. Big huge events. I mean you can try but… yeah it seems unrealistic.

[rare dune]

ugh i’m scared

[fathom onyx]

[rare dune]

i’m gonna lose sleep over ts

[native anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/all-might-one-for-all-all-for-one-deku-my-hero-academia-gif-26423801

never lose hope

[alpine sapphire]

Guys what's the time of upcoming court, like ots am or pm

[rugged dagger]

yeah, and?

[waxen musk]

Hover over time in pinned schedule it’ll tell you the time in your location.

[fathom onyx]

alrighty rich guy

[rare dune]

plus ultra

https://tenor.com/view/boku-no-hero-kota-deku-gif-12855119

[short laurel]

Even all might is a bunny

[native anchor]

yep

[rare dune]

he’s the goat ofc he is

[short laurel]

Off topic, kinda sad we not get to c deku's bunny mask from his 1st hero suit much.

[rare dune]

that suit was not it cute but i’d sob if i saw this running towards me to save me

cute that his mom made it but he definitely got insane upgrades

[grizzled summit]

3 more days wth 😭

[hollow sorrel]

@onlyonealwaysknown on instagram changed its profile picture

If you put together the . . . and ⏸️ ◀️

it makes out OOAK

while this could be made by a random person I'm pretty sure this is the official account

[silk skiff]

official account?

[fathom onyx]

that makes it oooak
🤓

[frozen granite]

They only follow MHJ

Tbh it could be the official

[hollow sorrel]

and the linework kinda looks like the doodles MHJ posted

[rare dune]

what does only one always known even mean

[fathom onyx]

MHJ could just follow the official account so we wouldn't need to be guessing hah

[frozen granite]

It means only one always known

[rare dune]

[silk skiff]

there is only one and they're always known

[fathom onyx]

idk

[rare dune]

oh okay i’m slow 💀💀

[fathom onyx]

very helpful y'all hahahahah

[frozen granite]

Im nervous now

[viscid prism]

And it seems too clever to be a fan account's work. Although they are good creative tokkis so maybe

[silk skiff]

all these positive developments filling me up with so much hope

[rare dune]

i’m scared

if i get my hopes up i might just be crushed if it goes wrong

[vale grove]

Wait....I've not kept up because of the negative press what's the good news?!

[frozen granite]

Do you guys think the girls know the results already?

[vale grove]

Wait aren't the results on the 30th or has something been reached?

[fathom onyx]

they're made public on the 30th yea
but idk

[empty jetty]

Well if we know before it’s because side leaked so yeah

[fathom onyx]

true

[wicked timber]

would this be the case if they lose?

[frozen granite]

I do not believe that person at all

1. they are not an attorney, much less an entertainment lawyer
2. there are many loopholes to this case
3. they type like an anti

[hollow sorrel]

definitely not true especially not the 300 million dollars

[empty jetty]

Belift and source for defamation? Excuse me

Brother has to be the worst lawyer oat lol

[empty halo]

prayer circle
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[empty halo]

"i work in contract law 🤓 ☝️ " ive heard this before

[fathom onyx]

🕯️

[vale grove]

Wait so they could possibly know the verdict?? Omg

[empty halo]

probably not

[grizzled summit]

I'm sooo scaredd

I want them to win please someone comfort me 😭😭😭

[short laurel]

Girls can still work if they lose. Dw

[polar owl]

It's ok, the girls are winning this either way.

If they win, it will be unprecedented, and they can start making new music while they fight for the IP rights of their existing work.

If they lose, they will still refuse to work with Fakedor. The contract would still need to be terminated, albeit with a penalty. Given how popular the girls are, they would rather pay the penalty (assuming it is reasonable) and move on, instead of getting their careers stagnated at Hybe / Fakedor.

[short laurel]

Belift n somu has nothing to sue njz over. They only have it with mhj n those cases already ongoing

This guy claiming to study contract law is probably a kid who just read random stuff online.

[polar owl]

Whenever someone says 'I am a lawyer', he /she probably is not.

[hollow sorrel]

and even if they are laws, contracts and scenarios differ in a million ways

[fathom onyx]

@tacit wigeon tell em you're the law

[tacit wigeon]

I am a lawyer

[short laurel]

Talking about contract, do u know even if u sign a contract, if the contract has even tiny quote that doesn't abide by the country's law, the contract becomes invalid.
But haters think a contract is something one must follow even if it makes u a slave

[empty jetty]

Name checks out

[short laurel]

(i m not a lawyer but saw some cases on this)

[polar owl]

How do we have contracts which stop idols/ trainees from dating? How are they legal?

[stuck roost]

i am a surgeon dr han

[empty halo]

im actually a judge from seoul and in my opinion newjeans is cooked

[short laurel]

Do they still have those? Big companies, even hybe openly said they support idols dating (though ofc it's probably different behind the scenes), it's mostly fans who stop idols from dating publicly. Look up riize case, fans are disgusting

[empty halo]

idk about trainees but most idols do date, they just keep it secretive and private

dating is only a problem in kpop if it becomes public tbh

[short laurel]

Dating means betrayal to those crazy fans

[empty halo]

otherwise the company cant REALLY stop their idols from dating

[polar owl]

I did hear cases few years back of idols being disciplined for having a boyfriend (maybe Japan)

[short laurel]

Old kpop n jpop yea. Maybe still in jpop

[empty halo]

to me it seems like its up to the idol whether they wanna break it up, keep it secret, apologise etc and people over exaggerate the amount of control a (big 4) company exerts over idols

these idols dont apologise for dating bc their companys forcing them to, theyre more likely genuinely scared of losing support

[short laurel]

Even bsh said in public he support idols dating, but we know how army is..

[polar owl]

I am from the future, and I want to tell you that we actually #o#### but the information gets obfuscated.

[empty halo]

is it just me or are these spiritual prediction accounts on twitter bad for the fandom

they make people panic

[frozen granite]

I’m hanni

[short laurel]

They bad, they switch sides depending on situation.

[empty halo]

EXACTLY LMFAO

and they always say the most vague shit that can be twisted to either side
"well theyll win.... in a way.... but in another way theyll actually lose....." ok bro

[fathom onyx]

[polar owl]

A change is on the horizon, and though it may seem uncertain at first, you’ll soon find clarity as old energies shift and new opportunities align with your true path.

Now what can you make of this??

[empty jetty]

Im Korea president, NewJeans will be jail

[empty halo]

"min heejin will join a new label.... or open her own label" no shit sherlock

[polar owl]

Jail, no. Not happening even if the president wanted.

[empty jetty]

I am Korea president, jail

[short laurel]

But they didn't expect mhj to open drinking water business though.

[polar owl]

I see OOAK becoming one of the Big 5

[short laurel]

Haters actually think njz n mhj will be jailed. They seriously think this civil case is criminal case.

[polar owl]

WW3 will start. And I will initiate it.

[empty jetty]

It doesn’t surprise me from haters, defending a multi billion dollar company already shows how brainless they are

[short laurel]

Honestly, i don't think mhj will go big with her business. She'll probably keep her group focused on smaller number of groups

Maybe 10 15 years in the future? But not be4 that

[fierce cloak]

Quality is better than quantity. Hybe is so big yet so bloated and low quality. Most big companies have major managing problems too. Keep it focus on a few is better.

[empty halo]

who remembers when they tried to say Danielle should go to jail for signing a few autographs in a church in Australia

[short laurel]

Yup

[polar owl]

NJ can do the OOAK what BTS did to Hybe; maybe not at that scale but still a lot.

[empty halo]

I dont think mhj is interested in that mass appeal for her label as a whole, for just NJ yes

bc nj is already that mainstream

[polar owl]

I do fear this situation - NJ case gets dragged on & MHJ is forced to recruit a new group.... 😨

[empty halo]

I can see her signing some solo artists soon and a boy group in the future maybe

[short laurel]

What made hybe part of big 4 is not bts alone but all the groups they have after hybe brought all those labels. Even now many still not consider hybe part of big 4

[empty halo]

to run her label it isnt necessary that she NEEDS to debut a group. theres speculations about her signing krystal, a soloist

[mortal dew]

can someone explain whats happening on the 30th ive been mia

[empty jetty]

All

[short laurel]

No, activity ban will be lifted, there will be major backlash by human rights organisations if main court try to restrict girls activities for years

[polar owl]

Nothing much, we get to know if the contract is valid

[empty halo]

its the court verdict on the main case, newjeans vs ador. it decides whether newjeans is free from ador or not

[mortal dew]

i see

thanku

[empty halo]

if they lose why would the activity ban be lifted. that ban would only be lifted if they win no?

[polar owl]

Yes, I think so.

[fierce cloak]

Isnt during the meditate day, Minji & Danielle talked to the judge directly? The 40 mins gap?

[polar owl]

Danielle should have just sang her statement to the judge.

[short laurel]

No. Losing means contract stays but they can't force girls to work where they do not want to so there will be a termination case. But girls should be able to do their activities.
Infact even injunction shouldn't have been able to restrict it, many are questioning legal system on that. N they won't sit quite if main court block girls again.

Injunction result only stated ban is till 1st verdict, it nvr mentioned win or lose.

[polar owl]

Termination will be a different step

I don't think we will get anything on termination on 30th if we lose

[short laurel]

Ofc not. Read full text

[polar owl]

You mean another case

[empty halo]

thats because if the verdict is a loss for newjeans, their contract with ador is intact which probably has clauses in it AGAINST doing independent activities. sure, in the literal sense the injunction's activity bans/penalties will be gone but they'll be replaced by the rules of the contract.

which definetely does not allow them to do independent activity

[polar owl]

Unfortunately, right.

[short laurel]

Injunction result only said activity ban till 1st verdict. Not win or lose.
This case judge will need to apply ban again but there's already pressure from many to not do it.

[polar owl]

If the aggreement stays valid, they cannot do independent activity anyway

[empty halo]

the judge won't need to ban activities bc their contract w ador which will be hence validated if the girls lose WILL ban independent activities

[short laurel]

Many idols in dispute were still able to talk to ppl online. Since girls not want to work for adir, contract will be terminated there n termination panelty case will start.

[empty halo]

and if the girls still go and do independent activities after the loss ador will file a lawsuit against them

[polar owl]

The reason NJZ was started, was because the girls considered the agreement terminated.

[empty halo]

yes but in between the time of oct 30 and the termination, they wont be doing activities

[polar owl]

Ador can sue / terminate Newjeans for non-cooperation quoting a penalty. It will again go to court.

[short laurel]

Girls won't just be forced to stay silent until this termination takes years.

That doesn't make sense.

[fierce cloak]

I still have high trust the girls will win.

[polar owl]

I seriously don't know

[empty halo]

"silence" and not doing activities as a group named njz are different t

they can post on instagram, perhaps give statements to the media but they cant re-debut or join a new label unless the termination is confirmed

[polar owl]

And both sides can terminate the contract

[frozen granite]

If ador wins & NewJeans decide to pay the penalty fee, ador can’t do anything anymore to prevent them from doing independent activities, right?

[short laurel]

Yes that's what i m saying. For now they couldn't do all that but after 30th they can. Even this is considered activities by contract

[empty halo]

yes if they lose, after paying the penalty fee for contract termination their relationship w ador will be over

[polar owl]

They could have even now come on social media - I don't think the injunction stopped them from being online. It's just that they didn't want to.

[short laurel]

I would agree with that but there was huge argument here on whether they could or not. It was decided they just not riskig it.

[polar owl]

Yeah, they could have been sued....

[frozen granite]

If ador wins can they sue for non-cooperation? Actually let me rephrase it, I’m sure they can sue, but would it hold validity???

[polar owl]

Only if girls refuse to go back to Ador

[short laurel]

But i still think after 30th they shouldn't be able to restrict girls. I seriously think judge will consider girls words that they not going back to ador no matter what n will give a way. Many in industry already pressuring court to let girls perform

[frozen granite]

I guess we just have to wait & see in less than two days

[polar owl]

I feel this will not play out immediately. There will be a period of lull, before the termination saga starts

[fierce cloak]

There are a lot more possitive patterns toward the girls so i still have high hope for them. But ofc, prepare for worst scenarior

[frozen granite]

That’s only if ador wins, no?

[polar owl]

Courts, fortunately or unfortunately, don't go by public pressure.

[polar owl]

Yes, we are discussing the doomsday scenario. We win, then f*k everyone

Im Sol: I am from the future, but I cannot tell you the result as it may alter the future.

[short laurel]

I still don't think it'll stay long. Even a termination case can go long. Making girls wait 6 months more, then girls will need several months more for release. That would be so stupid. Pressure is put on the government too by those 32 ppl to give way for girls to perform.

[frozen granite]

Who here is a lawyer or has some expertise ???

[polar owl]

The government will not do anything abruptly. They are all pro-establishment.

[polar owl]

Everyone is

[short laurel]

Even if there was a lawyer here, laws n system different everywhere. Not easy unless they are really in involved n understand the sk laws.

[frozen granite]

Im nervous now :/

[polar owl]

If you go by the so-called lawyers who have voiced their opinion, we have a very slim chance of winning this. At the sams time, Ador may not be outrightly winning this. The best we can hope for is some kind of partial win for the girls.

But I am more hopeful that 30th will positively surprise us.

[frozen granite]

I rather have a partial win than no win

[empty halo]

its so soon

[polar owl]

The entire industry wants exploitative contracts; K-pop brings in a lot of revenue, it's a part of the Korean culture export, why fix it until it is completely broken...to the point where there is international condemnation....the government only acts then.

[empty halo]

we're all so on edge I can't even imagine how the girls must be feeling

their careers are on the line

[frozen granite]

Another prayer circle pls

[polar owl]

They are more than brave. If anything, I will be taking this as learning on how I should be in my own life. Will not take things lying down.

[frozen granite]

They are winning one way or another, I’ll take care of it !

[upbeat stream]

I think the biggest reason to expect a loss isn't that their case is weak (it isn't) but that the kpop industry wants them to lose at all costs. They believe that if njz wins, it'll set a precedence where idols can leave contracts easily. Before them, no one had attempted to leave based primarily on a lack of trust. Significant abuse was necessary to get out of a contract

[polar owl]

Yes, status quo is not easy to change

[upbeat stream]

Korean justice system tends to protect corporate interests most of the time. The few exceptions being when a government falls and there is overwhelming public support for accountability for their corporate backers, like with Samsung after Park Geun-hye's impeachment. And even there, the Samsung chairperson, after spending some time in prison, managed to get a pardon due to US pressure

[polar owl]

From Day 1, KMCA was yelling about how this will bring the industry down to its knees, and not whether artists rights needs more consideration.

[upbeat stream]

When idols are abused, like that madein member or Loona, these organizations don't say a fucking word. In fact, KMCA's head is himself a child abuser. Korea is truly rotten to the core

[polar owl]

May the source be with you.

[frozen granite]

Ok but a loss is still a win if njz decides to pay the penalty (which I’m sure they will)

[polar owl]

They will fight to avoid a penalty, but may still end up paying an amount which the court finds reasonable.

But I don't think that will happen on 30th. It will be another legal battle

[frozen granite]

Do you think it will take another year?

[upbeat stream]

I wonder if it would be better to declare bankruptcy instead. The damages are gonna be too much to pay anyway. The court can reduce it, if both sides are willing, but that may still be more than what ador would get if njz declared bankruptcy. They didn't live independently, right? In Asian households, it's normal to purchase everything in the family's name until you move out. What significant assets would they even have?

That would be easier, all debt gone in one go

[polar owl]

They will not declare bankruptcy. Ador is already trying to recruit, right?

[upbeat stream]

Um, I'm talking about njz

[polar owl]

Hopefully, sooner. Even by the time standards of civil cases anywhere in the world, the main lawsuit was wrapped up pretty fast

[frozen granite]

Hypothetically, how much money could njz recruit if all tokkis give 5 dollars each

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, just 7 months from first hearing to ruling. People were surprised by how fast it moved

[polar owl]

GoFundMe page

[polar owl]

Can individuals declare bankruptcy?

[frozen granite]

I really don’t expect njz to win but I also don’t expect them to lose

[upbeat stream]

If they can't pay a debt, yes

[frozen granite]

Partial win is more realistic

[polar owl]

Won't it lead to criminal liability?

[upbeat stream]

Criminal liability for civil debt? Not unless you do something criminal like trying to conceal your assets

People declare bankruptcy all the time for stuff like being unable to pay back home loans

[polar owl]

Ok

But if you have assets in your name, they are liquidated to pay the affected party.

[upbeat stream]

Of course, that's why I wondered how much assets would they have

Like I remember a korean person saying Haerin's dad once told her dad that Harerin bought a big house for the family. That house is almost certainly in her dad's name. That's how it is in Asia, until you start living on your own

[polar owl]

Yeah, we tend to trust our parents a little too much 😉

But I don't know how all this treated when it comes to saying that I am broke.

I am sure they cannot deny penalty by claiming they are bankrupt - the courts will see through this, and Ador in all its petiness won't let go

[upbeat stream]

Falsely claiming you are broke obviously won't work. I'm talking about declaring bankruptcy, straight up. Take what you want.

[polar owl]

But we don't know if they are really bankrupt. They might as well not be.

[upbeat stream]

True, this is all just speculation

[frozen granite]

I honestly wouldn’t be able to wait another year … hopefully we do get good news

[polar owl]

No one can wait.

Imagine how big Newjeans would have been if not for all this. One more year lost is taking so much opportunity loss.

[upbeat stream]

Isn't it interesting that 3rd gen produced two stadium performing girl groups while 4th gen has none? Only NewJeans was capable, and I have no doubt would have reached that level by their 2nd world tour

Let's hope njz can regain that momentum

[polar owl]

They will.

If they are able to work with MHJ

Within Ador, they are doomed.

[waxen musk]

Can Ador refuse to accept a contract termination fee?

[polar owl]

You mean not accept termination at all?

[upbeat stream]

That's the worrying part, we don't really know. The standard contract is pretty vague, perhaps intentionally

[frozen granite]

I don’t think that’s this case. If that was the thing, the girls wouldn’t have gone about it the way the have thus far, even from the beginning.

[waxen musk]

I feel like we should expect the unexpected. It’s how it’s gone thus far.

Ador has a change of heart and lets them go and cancel all lawsuits.

[polar owl]

They would not have gone this far if they had to pull this trick

[frozen granite]

That’s what I’m saying

[polar owl]

Can only happen if BSH is jailed and there's a new management who wants to re-brand or reduce reputational damage

[waxen musk]

There’s still two days left. Anything can happen.

[frozen granite]

Not to mention their lawyers would’ve advised them not to proceed if they really believed, the girls were in a very contract where termination was impossible

[waxen musk]

I really wonder if this injunction was even part of their understanding of potential outcomes when this all started.

[polar owl]

An exit can always be negotiated by the artist - but at the terms of the agency, if you are unable to prove any wrong-doing

[polar owl]

By how they went about with NJZ, I don't think they expected an injunction

[polar owl]

Any back-channel talks / diplomacy is unlikely.

[upbeat stream]

I was trying to see if any major legal newspaper has done an analysis recently on how the court might rule. But they are silent

[tall dew]

[waxen musk]

Who can we trust for news on the day? I'd rather not be refreshing my Twitter feed, instead just refreshing certain sources or one or two accounts.

[empty jetty]

As much as we hate him 1tokki has been useful(mass blocking after this ends would be good tho)

[hollow sorrel]

I remember when the injunction results came out @yonhaptweet was the fastest to report it so I guess I will be refreshing that account

[waxen musk]

I'm already regretting just refreshing my Twitter full of people I chose to follow. It's just opinions, hopes, supportive messages. But it just makes my mind race with all sorts of things. Obviously the same could be said about here but I'm restraining myself quite a bit.

Too many questions bouncing around my skull. But nothing we can do but wait.

[upbeat stream]

I follow many k tokkis and they are usually quick with news

[frozen granite]

That looks so ai

[clear hill]

I just realized but Ai is getting so realistic. Laws def need to be put in place bc it genuinely looks real

[pseudo heath]

What looks ai

[empty jetty]

I need to find k tokkis

[rugged dagger]

thought this was just photoshopped

I'm pretty sure it is. this is the original

and you can see the drop shadow where it's edited in

the detail work on the camera screens is nice though

[clear hill]

Yea i thought her makeup looked familiar at first

[empty jetty]

Hybe security guards biggest fear

[wicked timber]

the verdict is 2 sleeps away

[frozen granite]

Not for those who don’t sleep 😼

[empty jetty]

1 nap away

[cinder narwhal]

i accept it's not gonna be in their favor

[frozen granite]

I fear our tokkium is low now & are facing reality

Do you guys think they have a plan b if they lose??

[sly python]

its been dragged on for so long with potentially long term consequences to follow, as the date gets closer i think its normal to feel this way

ive always maintained hopefully they will be set free, win or "lose"

with free being the outcome we all want, or put to hiatus & enjoy their lives away from the spotlight

[frozen granite]

I am lingering on this, but that’s if the girls decide to pay the penalty fee, if they plan to fight the fee then I fear this will be dragged on more. For how long? No one knows …

[sly python]

i'll ask my shaman some time this week about the potential outcome & let u guys know

[cinder narwhal]

frankly i don't think about what will happen. whatever happens happens. thinking about it isn't gonna do me good and won't affect the future lol

[empty jetty]

We winning and I’m not gonna shut up about it

This is not the time to be pessimistic

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1982830877165199868

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

no doomsday talk, but this is reality. if newjeans loses their case...that injunction still holds...so they're not allowed to resume activities using any other name.. so they won't be free..unfortunately, that is a fact.

they can file an appeal - but that still requires another

X · Oct 27, 2025, 3:24 PM

[frozen granite]

Let’s get our tokkium back up & send positive energy into the universe

I made this as a way to manifest their freedom, we already went through a lot as a tokki family, let’s manifest a great W for the 30th 🩷💙💛💜💚

[hoary frost]

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/eeugeo/status/1982872026185633984

[narrow seal]

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[empty halo]

plan b = pay the penalty and terminate

[rare dune]

i’ve been losing more hope every day remembering how shitty the legal system is.

i will always expect the worst to not be absolutely crushed

although there is some hope burning inside of me. but i’m pushing that down. and if they win, it’ll be a very pleasant surprise

[empty jetty]

I’ll make fun of yall when they win

Being annoying is my specialty

[rare dune]

hopefully they’ll pay off their contracts and come back even if they lose, so i guess it wouldn’t be over until it really is confirmed they’re not ever coming back. don’t know how much longer i can wait without exploding

[empty halo]

im gonna start streaming the OSTs they released if oct 30 doesnt go well

[empty jetty]

Im gonna kilometers if they lose

[rare dune]

i’m gonna disappear off the face of the internet

and maybe fail my test on friday

[empty jetty]

Be positive, negativity will make the time go slower

[rare dune]

when have u ever seen me positive abrey

[empty jetty]

Definitely not on scoreboards

[rare dune]

although my tokkium is running low its nice seeing so many fandoms come behind newjeans and stand with them

https://x.com/pouchwonki/status/1982656387273638265?s=46&t=HqPF_CyvwxcW3tvgFBmevA

shie 🍮 (@pouchwonki)

This really means a lot — it takes so much for K-pop fans to agree on anything.

#WeSupportNJZ #WeStandWithNJZ

X · Oct 27, 2025, 3:51 AM

[runic knoll]

Hold up i had a thought. Since the court on my country confiscate all illegal asset that the corruptors had, did those also happened in south korea to the corruptors and to the frauds as well like BSH?

[frozen granite]

If njz loses, Im suing BSH for emotional damage

[cinder narwhal]

is someone a criminal if they haven't been convicted yet

[frozen granite]

What do you mean?

[buoyant hamlet]

Are those reports true that Hybe sued Team Bunnies and Team Bunnies is a minor?

[frozen granite]

I hate him so much

[hushed whale]

yea just someone snitched team bunnies for violating donation law lol

[frozen granite]

Did they win?

[empty jetty]

this seems to be recent

[hushed whale]

it was a while ago, just a new update that the case transferred to juvenile court

[empty jetty]

im pretty sure this will be dismissed, i really doubt they are sending a minor to prison for not filling a simple paperwork

a slap on the wrist(community service) at worst

[hushed whale]

yea also its not like theyre scamming

[frozen granite]

I’m just talking out loud (or should I say, typing out loud) but I am certain the girls will not give up should the ruling be in favor of ador. I rewatched a clip from their complexcon performance & they seemed eager to be back. I really doubt they’ll take longer than oct. 30th. I believe they’ll want to pay the penalty fee & be over with. I don’t think they’d want to spend any more time in hearings

[empty jetty]

https://fxtwitter.com/J_BNZ0323/status/1982955702353309788

J-BNZ (@J_BNZ0323)

팀버니즈의 모금은 뉴진스를 향한 허위 게시물과 악성 여론에 대응하기 위한, 팬들의 자발적이고 공익적인 행동이었습니다.
︀︀모금액은 변호사 선임비와 법률 자문, 사이트 운영비 등 모든 사용 내역이 투명하게 공개되었고, 개인적인 사용 흔적은 전혀 없습니다.
︀︀
︀︀기부금품법의 취지는 불투명한 모금이나 영리 목적의 기부를 막기 위한 것이지, 선의의 시민들이 공익을 위해 자발적으로 나선 활동까지 처벌하기 위한 법은 아닙니다.
︀︀비슷한 공익 모금의 경우에도 대부분 행정상 계도나 안내로 마무리된 사례가 많습니다.
︀︀
︀︀따라서 이번 사안의 핵심은 단순한 절차상의 문제보다, 그 의도와 투명성에 있습니다.
︀︀팀버니즈의 활동은 오히려 시민이 스스로 공정함을 지켜내려는 과정이자, 사회가 건강하게 작동하고 있다는 증…

FxTwitter · Oct 27, 2025, 11:40 PM

[waxen musk]

The minor owner will likely just get a small fine. They documented all funding. If they did anything wrong, it was obviously not out of malice.

[empty jetty]

they fucking took a child to court, if that doesn't show how evil is hybe to the judge nothing will

im actually pissed like, why dont you do something about the leaked medical reports, or the deepfake stuff, about any fucking controversy made out of nowhere. instead they go out of their fucking way to do something about a minor...

[waxen musk]

Yeah they're doing it for media play again, making our side look bad. Hopefully it doesn't result in much more than some distress for the individual involved.

It's is extremely easy to get us riled up. But this is nothing new from them. They love to remind us how evil they can be and what they truly care about.

It is why I'm very worried about their intent going forward. I fear they will be as evil as possible. Make the NJZ members suffer as much as they can get away with.

[cinder narwhal]

smh that kid should be locked up

[waxen musk]

I'm still really wondering what goes on with OOAK. I think as the optimism started diminishing this past day (at least in here), all talk about OOAK just stopped. I still can't separate OOAK from NJZ's future.

[empty jetty]

im still hopping for a win, i feel like this kind of stuff should definitely influence stuff, specially with the judge past history

i cant speak english anymore sorry, im legit mad

[waxen musk]

It's too late for anything like this to influence anything. Besides, what really matters was discussed during the last hearing. If decisions aren't made primarily on those arguments and everything that supplemented that, I'd be surprised.

[empty jetty]

this might sound stupid but im scared about the future even on a win, i dont feel like hybe will end their malicious act when they end up losing

[waxen musk]

Yeah I doubt Hybe will suddenly stop acting how they always have been.

[polar owl]

Hybe cannot do anything if they lose. They are big but they don't control everyone in the industry.

[waxen musk]

You should expect it. But if we do have a win, it should be a lot easier to ignore. We'll have something else to focus on.

[empty jetty]

its not about blacklisting, its about personal stuff

[rare dune]

its never gonna end

[polar owl]

Let's not be so fearful.

[frozen granite]

What are you afraid they’ll do? HYBE is really not that powerful. They don’t control the entire South Korea country

The girls can literally expand their activities to other countries. HYBE doesn’t control the whole world lol

[cinder narwhal]

i love how hybe is both overestimated and underestimated at the same time

[polar owl]

All we know is that 5 girls won't give in to their bullying.

Neither would bunnies.

Are there other examples of a label suing it's own fandom?

[waxen musk]

Especially suing Team Bunnies underage member the day before this apparent celebration of Bunnies Day is just one of the most ridiculous parts about this.

[frozen granite]

I don’t think hybe is that powerful, even if njz loses. The worse thing that happens is njz waiting until 2029 to resume their activities. I think we overestimate them because they have the upper hand, but mind you, if this had happened during 2028, all njz would have to wait is a year.

[polar owl]

Waiting till 2029 is not feasible.

[frozen granite]

Rn my tokkium is low

[cinder narwhal]

you are like on a roller coaster rn

i see you saying something different every time i visit the channel

[tawdry vessel]

take a break

[frozen granite]

https://tenor.com/view/popcat-roller-coaster-pop-pop-pop-cat-gif-6855690038166205787

[polar owl]

We are cooking -> We are cooked

[frozen granite]

I want to take a break, but the anticipation gets the best of me

maybe I should, see you in a few hours (maybe) gn tokkis

[waxen musk]

They sure know how to get us talking again. But to be honest any legitimate reason to get us to talk in here (this time about Team Bunnies) always ends us with us talking about the inevitable anyway.

[polar owl]

Take a break. We all need energy to celebrate the 30th

[frozen granite]

Ok ok ok last message of the night! Just wanted to post this to manifest good news! Gn tokkis (literally prayed to all the gods there are )

[raven kelp]

they should've leaked news about ooak today, atleast we would have had something to shift our focus away from 30th

or another update from mhj about ooak i can't take this anymore

[short laurel]

Hybe shamelessness knows no bounds.

[short laurel]

Do we know of them doing anything wrong?

[empty jetty]

they missed out on a paper form

[short laurel]

Ooh

[cinder narwhal]

lock em up

[rare dune]

less than 2 days

[copper current]

Remember this guys, remember how Hybe treated bunnies and NJZ ~t https://x.com/cliff_cow/status/1983026108842066372

Bunnies_CowCow (@cliff_cow)

Sending a 🤡 who is banned to leave the country to speak at APEC summit luncheon after deleting a news report donating 800,000usd (most likely out of company's pocket)
VS
Sending a minor 🐰 who is a dedicated fan to juvenile court who raised ard 35,000usd by fans volunteerily

X · Oct 28, 2025, 4:20 AM

~t https://x.com/breadjeanz_/status/1983021346096591189

[narrow seal]

251028 lyvꕤ⋆˖·໒꒱ (@​breadjeanz_) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/breadjeanz_/status/1983021346096591189
hybe couldn't identify the members of Team Bunnies so they chose to dox and harrass the page owner (a minor) over paperwork technicality then spun it to discredit all efforts to protect the girls this close to 30/10 all while asking us to celebrate with them.. right

[hollow sorrel]

the company doxxing Team BUNNIES a day before ‘Bunnies Day’ …
the jokes write themselves

[raven kelp]

2 more days to go...i can't focus on shit

[wicked timber]

https://x.com/supertokkiman/status/1982902316199256130

Super Tokki Man (@supertokkiman)

@PoppyKPoppie If the judge finds the contract unfair or harmful, they can waive or reduce the termination fee entirely. Even if the contract is upheld, the court can lower the fee if it's excessive or punitive. This is where artist rights and labor protections come into play.

X · Oct 27, 2025, 8:08 PM

this makes me a bit hopeful

i wanna beg the judge. oh judge please hear bunnies' plea

[rare dune]

you are so loved njz ☹️

might just cry haven’t felt emotional like this in a while

[raven kelp]

https://x.com/NJZBTS/status/1982781359417655405

🐇 (@NJZBTS)

X · Oct 27, 2025, 12:08 PM

[heady gate]

The blood pressure device

[rare dune]

paracetamol is a must

i can feel the brewing headache as i watch twitter burn

[raven kelp]

why does it feel like time isn't moving an inch

[rare dune]

too slow yet too soon

[wicked timber]

just enough time to plan my exit from the mortal plain /s

[rare dune]

i might explode

[raven kelp]

i'll be honest i can't really picture myself experiencing that level of joy on the 30th...cmon now is it really going to happen?

that'd be crazy

[cinder narwhal]

no rope?

[raven kelp]

nah got to live to see the day they'll be free

[cinder narwhal]

nice

[rare dune]

can’t wait to post a devastating edit in the morning of the day and give everyone emotional whiplash when they win later

[raven kelp]

please don't the one you shared was enough

[rare dune]

i am posting that one on that day. you guys got to see it early

[upbeat stream]

I'll be staying here on Oct 30. I'm sure someone will post the result anyway

Only if they win will I visit twitter

[cerulean lake]

yk it’s serious when poppy posts smth more pessimistic 😭

[warm hedge]

what time does the result come out?

[viscid prism]

9:50 AM KST

[warm hedge]

wow early, ok thanks

[cerulean lake]

i’ve only deleted twt off my home screen but if they lose, i fear i need to officially delete it

i’m lowkey hesitating to open up discord too

[upbeat stream]

I de-activated for almost a month. It felt good but I went back as the ruling got close

[cerulean lake]

yeah i was completely off kpop for like several months. only went back bc i saw bsh was getting accused of smth and my trip to korea unfortunately reeled me back 🫩

[cerulean lake]

wait is this for the 29th or 30th

bc i see both and now im confused. just wondering abt kst

[viscid prism]

30th, 9:50 AM in Korea

[feral tapir]

i dont understand why njz were getting hate since the beginning of all this court thing and now suddenly they all show support for october 30

[plucky cloud]

nothings changed, a lot of supporters however r voicing out so their side might seem more apparent

[warm hollow]

People are so quick to change and make no sense, which is why their critics should never be taken seriously

[feral tapir]

i mean i'm not gonna complain for support, that's a good thing but i just think it's weird to get all that out of nowhere

[plucky cloud]

also its probably people outside of kpop twitter or whatever adding in, i dont think u can change peoples minds overnight

[feral tapir]

probably

[pseudo heath]

Maybe cause its closer to the courtdate people will feel the need to show support iykwim. I mean rn is the time where it matters most so im not gonna question it

[feral tapir]

yeah

[cerulean lake]

will always be funny to me how hybedor spends their efforts to go after relatively innocent accs + team bunnies while leaving accs like sniper alone.

shows they know what is circulating on twt and that tokkis have constant fights w/ that deranged user.

if that’s not proof of either hybe funding sniper or them being terrible at their job of “protecting” njz, then idk what is

[bronze talon]

also known for people to hop on a hype train with whatever the fandom is doing and try not to go against it even if they were before

internet reputation is known to be important for some/many

[wicked timber]

how is sniper's acc still up

[short laurel]

Hybe didn't sue sniper or aespajeans but sued bunnies

[hollow sorrel]

A logical analysis by a japanese user on why they think NJZ have a great chance of winning:

https://x.com/shimazi777/status/1982950525219053786

しまじ (@shimazi777)

前回の投稿でニュジが勝つと思ってると言ったことの自分なりの説明をします

■仮処分判決について
仮処分で重要視されるのは
①現状維持
②投資重視
③重大な契約違反の有無
重大な契約違反の今までの事例は給料未払い、暴力、違法行為など

X · Oct 27, 2025, 11:20 PM

in the reply they also go into what would happen if they uniletarelly terminated the contract and the potential penalty fees' amount

[empty halo]

these people in other fandoms just werent paying attention to the case, now that its gonna be concluding soon and it's a bit of a nerve wracking time they wanna show support

[cerulean lake]

aw man lowkey just hit me w/ how soon the verdict is

literally gonna be like around 7 pm and i’m not ready 😭

[old cypress]

because yall spent too much time reading haters

[feral tapir]

??

[old cypress]

long short story njz always had support from the kpop fans and you were under the impression that they were hated because of a loud chronically online minority

[feral tapir]

ig

[old cypress]

and the places where you read them are overrun by armies which distorted your view

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1983115373504540831

1tokki (@juantokki)

Hiroshi Fujiwara Officially Joins Beasts & Natives Alike (BANA)
https://t.co/FYWfghJl61
Writer Kim Sang-oh

Returning to music production

Hiroshi Fujiwara has officially joined Beasts & Natives Alike, the label home to artists such as Beenzino, Krystal, and 250. Alongside his

X · Oct 28, 2025, 10:15 AM

producing for njz when

[empty halo]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1982848792475906217?t=3HplC7eKMK9cMZ9QUeH4Ng&s=33

pannchoa (@pannchoa)

BTS RM to replace Bang Sihyuk at APEC CEO Summit, making it the first K-pop act to appear as a keynote speaker
https://t.co/fViY2j2A2N

X · Oct 27, 2025, 4:36 PM

i dont really have much of an opinion on any of the members of bts but if he shows any support for bsh that neutral opinion is immediately gonna sour

im guessing theyre getting a slot for a speech bc bang hi hyuk wanted to give a speech and they paid for it

[short laurel]

Svt fanpage showing support to njz. 1st from hybe group?

[cinder narwhal]

idk why people care about this bsh speech thing

[wicked timber]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1983131195748532617

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

They leaked the team bunnies fundraising story in July, now they brought it up again and are even trying to make people think team bunnies are minors.they’re trying to make the evidence that team bunnies submits to the court seem less credible, implying it’s coming from minors

X · Oct 28, 2025, 11:18 AM

[empty halo]

its just funny

[empty halo]

the fact that team bunnies are minors is extremely impressive

[old cypress]

damn that's crazy

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1983123849765142723?t=4BJ-5sY7scvl6y3pQQyddA&s=19

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

the court has officially set the verdict announcement. means the court is moving forward with a ruling rather than postponing or extending mediation. as of publication, no new evidence, testimony, or filings will be accepted. the judges have now moved to deliberation.

X · Oct 28, 2025, 10:49 AM

We have a verdict date guys...

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[hollow sorrel]

Didn't Bang Sihyuk already hold his speech? They just added him to the event or what?

[copper jetty]

Was he replaced? I thought he was giving a speech plus RM??

[hollow sorrel]

since 3 months jk

[wicked timber]

they were rly like
we cannot trust these adults, we'll do ourselves

[copper jetty]

No cause previously since they were still submitting petitions and stuff some were speculating that the verdict might be delayed

[old cypress]

no they aren't minors

[copper jetty]

How do u know though? Hybe couldn't pinpoint the members... we don't know either unless you personally know some of them...

[wicked timber]

there are minors in the team

[red thorn]

Only the owner of the page according to the info

[old cypress]

yeah you're right they're all children dealing with lawyers

[old cypress]

At least 1 of them which is a big difference from all of them

[wicked timber]

yeah but the media will present it as fact

[hollow sorrel]

tbh I'm kinda glad these news came out a ~day before the verdict, because I feel like this issue would have blown up especially among those fandoms if it just came out randomly
but now everyone seems to be focused on the verdict

[wicked timber]

oh the thing we'll get after the verdict

hybe will definitely try to present it as a win even if they get the short end of the stick

[old cypress]

even the media didn't say this

[wicked timber]

they refer to the minor as representative of team bunnies

[old cypress]

still didn't say that they were all minors

[wicked timber]

where....did i say allat

[old cypress]

right here

[wicked timber]

i was joking

[old cypress]

but this is a silly thing to discuss, let's move on lol

I was replying to shitsalad when you chimed in

[wicked timber]

is it not allowed

i didnt know

[old cypress]

it's ok, let's move on now

[pseudo heath]

https://tenor.com/view/aot-eren-attack-on-titan-the-ocean-the-other-side-gif-25313087

freedom awaits us

[waxen musk]

Nothing that say goes against what I've been thinking the whole time after the last proper hearing. We should simply win, it makes the most sense to me. But you know why everyone is so unsure, because we could have deja vu from what happened in March. I see 1tokki recent post (think of him what you want) is basically super confident and has been for a while now. (But again, so were a lot of us before injunction.)

[waxen musk]

Oh interesting. Another one who has history with MHJ more than any previous history with BANA. Makes you wonder what's up. Does he do music too?

[old cypress]

yeah he does music

I guess he really vibed with mhj and bana

[old cypress]

Honestly while I appreciate their engagement, tokki accounts on twitter are just writing fanfics in their heads most of the time. They're not able to stay quiet even when there's zero relevant new info so they just write down whatever take they come up with.

The reason everyone is so unsure (besides coping mechanisms) is there's no specific law that applies to the case, it's very subject to interpretation. So two judges will likely give two different rulings. If you murder someone, the law is pretty clear, they get proof, you go to jail. In NJZ's case nothing is clear and the judge has to set the scene.

[waxen musk]

Yeah I understand.

[old cypress]

I've always recommended people to tune out and come back on oct 30

[waxen musk]

Got work tonight, then sleep, then wake up (probably late) for a full day of anxiety and staying up late until after midnight.

[rugged dagger]

outcome decides our mood for the next while

[empty halo]

🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[fierce cloak]

I think 1tokki is what hold this i-fandom sane enough. They able to translate credible source, hold arguments, keep things clean. So many fans are pretty immature, projection, delusional. I find 1tokki call them out is necessary. So far i dont think 1tokki have done anything crossed the line. If anyone have issue with this person, maybe questioning yourself.

[upbeat stream]

We had a discussion about him a couple of days ago.

Also, I don't know if he translates properly or not, but I remember him insisting that the judge hasn't requested member(s) to attend the mediation, when he definitely had. You could see k tokkis, who were at the hearing say that at least one member is asked to attend

[fierce cloak]

It mostly mismatch of information. That's minor problem. The members & laywers will have to know what to do. To be honest, there are not much for fans to do about this, except for team Bunnies. The rest just want to get communicate to speculate. Whatever you saying or feeling does not relevant

[waxen musk]

Still... there aren't many (less than 10 easily) who are as reliable and quick to bring over what's being said over in Korea about NJZ. He's just the biggest one.
I HATE how we basically have to rely on people like him. We're very dependant on people like him.

I remember how much stock we put into Taly's efforts on TikTok. I forgot about her but bloody hell I literalyl saw today a hater post her selfie with Niniz in the comments on a TikTok video.

[upbeat stream]

Just follow k-tokkis. Machine learning has gotten good enough that you don't need a human translator for everything. And when you do, there's cato, njb, etc

[fierce cloak]

What do you mean "people like him"
Tbh ive been through a few fandom, he's the better one so far. I wouldnt say perfect or anything, but at least this person is loyal and not toxic

[empty halo]

dont you know that hes homophobic

• apparently uses ai to translate which anyone can do

[fierce cloak]

I dont think he is. I saw the arguments and i think it's important for fans not to overly projecting onto idols

[waxen musk]

Just saw this being shared (watch the video) https://www.reddit.com/r/NJZ/comments/1ogvcul/min_hee_jin_needs_and_deserves_more_visible/

(Trying to stop a repeat discussion about 1tokki from yesterday. I doubt anything new will be said. 👀 )

[empty halo]

he isnt arguing against assuming peoples sexuality hes flat out blocking queer tokkis who may make queer jokes in relation to njz 😭 hes kinda weird and you like to use his tweets to keep you updated and thats fine, those 2 things can be true at once

[fierce cloak]

Shipping is normal, lgbtq is normal, what's toxic is when the fans projecting too much and insist idols must be certain way, or that their fantasy is truth. I know all this stuff, went through it, witnessed it, i know when fans are being toxic

[empty halo]

you can still use his tweets to be informed without agreeing with him as a person and what he does

[fierce cloak]

Some people dont understand queer culture and that's fine. And it's also truth that some fans think their joke is fine but it's toxic. Ive witness plenty fans sexualize idols in very weird ways too. In Njz maybe less, but some are pretty stubborn

[empty halo]

which is blocking anyone who says anything that doesnt match up perfectly with what he says

[fierce cloak]

That's also true

You dont have to agree with a person about everything

[upbeat stream]

And btw, it was in reaction to Hanni having a lesbian model as her wallpaper. The way he talked then definitely felt homophobic to me

If It didn't to you, that's fine. I don't wanna argue about that here

[empty halo]

i think baron also mentioned that he refused to delete a tweet that was attracting hate and blocked anyone who told him to delete it

[waxen musk]

The amount of times I've seen "this member is 100% gay look at what she's doing" is pretty insane. I don't think I can really comment on it. It doesn't bother me. But I do think there needs to be extreme sensitivity and thought put into this type of thing. Something I mainly ignore to be honest becaus eI don't know how to feel.

[empty halo]

who cares his account will inevitably kinda die after the legal issues settle. in the meantime using his info is not problematic

[fierce cloak]

Blocking is protection. If you feel hurt because being blocked, that's on you. Ive been on social media & fandoms long enough to know it's not worth to engage and straight up block people. That's peace

[upbeat stream]

He can block whoever he wants. What he shouldn't do is setup newjeans, and then refuse to delete when it's obviously attracting a ton of expected negative attention

[copper jetty]

Wait who are we talking about here??

[empty halo]

juantokki

or 1tokki on twitter

[fierce cloak]

Yeah it's projection.
Like hey, it would be cool if someone is queer, no problem. But it become delusional like the type "taylor swift is a lesbian" 🤣
There are idols who are indeed queer and very cool about this, some are straight but like to capitalise on fanservice. But some others not that comfortable with it, but if they say it, people accuse them as homophobic. But hey, maybe they just find it weird to be shipped with someone they see as sibling 😅

[polar owl]

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?iso=20251030T0950&p0=235&msg=Judgement+Day&font=cursive

[fierce cloak]

This is where some fans also being weird about. Some times truth are truth, but the fans want to protect their own emotions "dont set them up" instead of getting courage to speak the truth.

[copper jetty]

Oh him... idk what he said that made him a set up but I do know he's blocking people who makes queer jokes about the girls along with poppy

[fierce cloak]

Many times i see tokki begging accounts to delete news just because they fear hybestans bully them. Like wtf. Grow a spine

[upbeat stream]

When loops posted mhj with tokkis during bunnies camp and tokkis were asking them to delete, I supported loops. It depends on the actual tweet

[empty halo]

what did 1tokki tweet? that seemed like a setup

[old cypress]

yeah as I said, I appreciate their engagement. They're doing a lot for the fandom just by translating things. Way more than any of us. But on the side they also speculate a lot people need to keep in mind that fanfics are fanfics no matter how well written they are

(not talking about 1tokki specifically, but tokkis in general)

[empty halo]

yes him

[fierce cloak]

In the end, despite being imperfect, i think overall tokki is a better fandom, thanks to some of these accounts are not straight up toxic.
Try go to other fandom you will realize so much of garbage they have 🤣

[polar owl]

Everyone is not perfect. We cannot have the cake and eat it too. If someone is not satisfied with a social media user on how tokkis are represented, the best way is to start your own channel and do it correctly.

[fierce cloak]

Yeah i think many fans are too young, or too delusion to realize their thought is not reality.

[old cypress]

No they're old enough. People love to speculate, it can't be helped and it's not really a problem. Just gotta keep in mind that speculation is speculation

[fierce cloak]

Exactly

[empty halo]

considering the crazy shit ive seen a lot of tokkis have said firsthand i wouldnt say we're a "better" fandom, kpop fandoms are all extremely similar. you just see a lot of "saner" and more well spoken people get big in this fandom bc of the legal issues and people needing someone who'll explain it well

[old cypress]

Not to mention that a lot of them query chatgpt on the daily and chatgpt is known for writing fanfics

[waxen musk]

I'm not smart enough to understand everything even after having it all presented to me and me trying my hardest to keep up to date. Sometimes you just gotta rely on these people otherwise you'd be completely lost. It's unfortunate.

[fierce cloak]

For example, i like shipping too, and hey i do think there is a real queer couple in another group, they basically married now, and hint about it all the time. But same time, as fan, i respect boundary, and it really doesnt matter how i think, what's their sexuality nor relationshio status, it really not my place to comment nor projecting myself onto them. I cheer when they show their bond, like they invites fans into their moments. Other than that, i sit on my lane.

[fierce cloak]

Yeah i think there are a lot of immature and toxic ones, often obsessed about numbers, achievements, beefs with other fandom...etc

[copper jetty]

This. Lmao I was on the purple fandom tweets some of them we're literally insane (borderline deranged and slutshaming). Not even a quarter of the toxicity of tokkis though we do have them.

[fierce cloak]

But still less toxic than some others. Some fandom is awful 🥲🥲🥲

[old cypress]

Team bunnies is the outlier but other than that all kpop fandoms are the same yeah. Even tokkis wanted njz to stay at ador so they could get fed entertainment until njz had to tell tokkis pointblank that they didn't want to stay

[empty halo]

its true, initially tokkis were actually NOT in favour of min heejin until the girls submitted that petition in support of her

[upbeat stream]

Eh, that day tokkis became even more anti-mhj, at least on twitter because that's when the chats were leaked

Sorry meant to reply to your recent comment

[waxen musk]

Need more super smart people like her to speak in our fandom.

[upbeat stream]

It took until the youtube live for tokkis to start supporting her

[copper jetty]

I think this is mainly (including me) are just supporting mhj because the girls are supporting her.

[old cypress]

more precisely, when tokkis realized that they weren't getting any more content

[fierce cloak]

I think MHJ is not a perfect person, there are few minor things i may disagree with her. But generally, it's a person i respect a lot through her craft. And the relationship she has with people worked with her speak the truth of who she is. A person that able to gain so much trust and loyalty is worth trusting.
People also social media, whether tokki or haters, all project their imagination, not the objective truth about her.

[copper jetty]

Plus the first few days when there aren't even good translations from her press conf??

[empty halo]

and misogynistic toxicity coming from tokkis feels especially vile and hypocritical to me bc most of the fandom talks about how the hate train against njz is misogynistic in nature (which it is), but then a part of the fandom goes on and does the same to female idols from hybe. and its not a "small portion" of the fandom, its a considerable amount of people. you could use the "its just a small portion of the fandom" argument for almost every other fandom lmfao

[upbeat stream]

yeah, I had my doubts about her, but I always thought that I should support whoever the girls are supporting. But after Danielle's ig live, I understood everything. My doubts faded away

[red thorn]

||Yoongi stans are most insane out of the ⁷ from my experience surfing through internet||

[vale grove]

Two days left.....God bless our girls during this trying time, its now more than ever we need to ignore these ugly trolls

[fierce cloak]

Always the loud ones. Think about the mass attend Tokyo Dome, and the people in public still hold respect to mhj, that's real people. The noise on social media amplify a lot, but it mostly because you give it attention.

[vale grove]

This 👆

[old cypress]

it's just how kpop fans are, they're here for the entertainment. Idols wellbeing is secondary

[vale grove]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-njz-lee-hyein-hyein-haerin-gif-4215097315542532062

[upbeat stream]

Tokkis let themselves be influenced by kpop stans on mhj. It's funny because when those same people called Hanni a liar, we rightfully didn't believe them

[fierce cloak]

Take care of your well being, just get the news, live your life, ignore all the noisy, meaningless argument. Regardless of the outcome, NJZ & MHJ have my support.

[copper jetty]

Which is sad because of how many and how long people have been S wording. The people haven't learned.

[empty halo]

because tokkis care more about the group theyre stanning than its creative director, duh. obviously theyre more inclined to be negatively influenced about someone

1. they dont stan
2. they dont know a lot about

[upbeat stream]

That's true but the girls' opinion should've mattered more. It was pretty clear early on, where they stand

[empty halo]

yes true

[fierce cloak]

Your reality shaped by what you pay attention to. So live your life. MHJ & NJZ probaply doing a lot in the background now, like OOAK, so they already prepare to move forward regardless of outcome.
The lies on social media have no power over them, nor you, if we ignore it.

[empty halo]

but also tokkis arent obligated to like and/or support min heejin because the girls like/support min heejin

[old cypress]

yeah but many fans literally implied that the girls were being manipulated

[copper jetty]

True. Which is why I'm also proud of tokkis. I think the way we rally for MHJ now as compared to then just goes to show how tokkis try learn about things not just about the girls but the people around them. We literally admit that we were wrong and are able to change our mindset about things and people. It also helps that there's people in our fandom who fact check things and not just spout lies.

[fierce cloak]

You dont obligate for sure. But what you love about Newjeans, is not just the members themselves, but the artistic soul of MHJ. So technically, you do love her 😁

[upbeat stream]

Of course, but so many believed everything and were saying that newjeans should cut her off from their lives. That to me is dehuaminizing. You are just a fan, you don't know newjeans or mhj or their relationship

[empty halo]

yes thats bad, it takes agency away from them and makes them victims of min heejin instead of hybe. i do think tokkis should accept that the girls like min heejin and that she will be their ceo and creative director. i dont think they should HAVE TO like and support her as an individual or else theyre not a real fan or something

[fierce cloak]

The members are performers, equivalent with actors. But if you love a movie so much, it's not just because of the actor/ character, but because of the artistic soul of the director too. You can separate the art vs artist. Like people can still enjoy Harry Potter while dislike JK Rowling, but you cannot deny the fact that the art do carry part of the artist's soul.

[old cypress]

they only did because staying at ador = more comebacks and jeans zine

[fierce cloak]

Yeah that's very important. It helps a grounded view too. Some other fandom think their idols as god who do it all, which very silly.

[fierce cloak]

It's an irony because those fans projecting their own victimhood mentality onto Njz and couldnt differentiate who's the protector, who's the abuser. Same time, they are selfish and only care about their consumption, not about the people doing the work.

[waxen musk]

You all yapping about MHJ I hope you watched the video I linked to. Not sure if anyone did.

[red thorn]

And Fortnite collab 🏃🏼‍♂️‍➡️

[twilit lark]

is there a specific time where we will know the court’s decision?

[empty halo]

9:30am kst

[rare dune]

i thought it’s 9:50

[waxen musk]

9:50. It's in the pinned.

[fierce cloak]

It seems it started around 9:50am so maybe about noon time we know final decision?

[empty halo]

oh my bad its 9:50

[rare dune]

i don’t expect it to take super long

[waxen musk]

We might know within like 20 minutes, I would assume.

[copper jetty]

With how the media is spinning things about team bunnies (i think to discredit the fandom) I'm thinking hybe might release more news tomorrow for media play so before we get the verdict maybe anticipate something else popping up like employee B or something.

I'm praying for some news about bsh's fraud to pop out just for karma.

[fierce cloak]

Ignore the noise. Live in zenmode 😆 or do something else.
The only thing matter is the result of the judgement. Even then, whether njz win or lose, what truly matter is they move forward in their life. Which, OOAK is a great signal about this. Mean MHJ, her team, lawyers, NJZ...etc worked through everything necessary to move on no matter what. Any noise, accusation, arguments, speculation, wont matter.

[fathom onyx]

🥶

[polar owl]

We know about your lottery now 😜

[copper jetty]

Wait how much do we think is the penalty amount if they were asked since Hybe's literal reasoning was the investment?

[copper jetty]

Well that's my wish though. If I do win either I help them pay their penalty or invest in MHJ's ooak

[fierce cloak]

I think since NJZ paid back, also it's under MHJ, so maybe if they have to pay, it wont be much.

[polar owl]

Doesn't matter what they feel the penalty is.... court will decide a reasonable amount hopefully, should we lose and decide to terminate with a fine.

[copper jetty]

Yeah but how much is that "it won't be much"

[polar owl]

100 million or so

[copper jetty]

Won or usd?

I'm guessing won??

[polar owl]

won

[waxen musk]

There's some Japanese commentary linked above. They came to like a 30 B KRW conclusion.

[polar owl]

70k usd.... these are speculative numbers .... so

[old cypress]

it's just another fanfic

[waxen musk]

Yeah, 100% fanfic. But I just assume everything is at this point. Read it or not, just understand what it is.

[old cypress]

it's not 70k usd, they wouldn't have gone through the whole ordeal if the penalty was a mere 70k

[polar owl]

30 billion or million?

[waxen musk]

BILLION

[polar owl]

Claim would be higher....

[pseudo heath]

70k is pocket change to them if that was all they'd have to pay they would do it immediately

[waxen musk]

Btw this is a very conservative estimate that's been lowered significantly because of reasons listed here: https://x.com/shimazi777/status/1982950783642742998

AGAIN THIS IS FANFIC but read it if you want

[old cypress]

What we know is the penalty is supposed to cover for the loss of income so they're going to extrapolate from the current numbers. But we also know that judges often reduce the penalty substantially. So at the end of the day = we can't tell

[waxen musk]

Yeah as explained in link above. Just the numbers are being pulled out of their arse I think. There's logic behind it but it's super fuzzy maths.

[polar owl]

The loss is on NJZs side as well....they have been on hiatus

[waxen musk]

I would consider their mental distress more significant from what we've heard.

Uncertainty of their future is stressful.

[old cypress]

caused by their own doing so not sure it counts

[polar owl]

Even before their own doing

When Hybe was fighting OG Ador

[fierce cloak]

Oh hey is Ador unable to debut the bg and now they become empty shell? Or is it just people speculate and they still prepare for the bg anyway?

[old cypress]

this has nothing to do with the penalty calcs

[waxen musk]

They've shown progress in preparing for it only a few months ago.

[polar owl]

Penalty calculations due to breakdown of trust should include potential losses on either side (or profit only for Ador)

[copper jetty]

Are we forgetting that Ador (my bad) literally had no plans for them or what???

[fierce cloak]

I thought something about Nayeon Kim quit ador means the bg preparation got failed or something? So it just speculate, not real?

[empty halo]

we dont know if she quit she just unfollowed ador

[polar owl]

Yes, and this should have a bearing on the case

[waxen musk]

Just because she quit (we don't know, she only unfollowed Ador on IG), doesn't mean much about the status of the things she previously worked on.

[copper jetty]

Idk, did she quit?

[old cypress]

it's a hybe claim not ador, ador never formally decided on a hiatus

[empty halo]

honestly we've grown to hyper analyse social media activity these days

[waxen musk]

We don't know if she quit.

[copper jetty]

Hybe isn't the one who applied for the case though it's Ador.

[empty halo]

mhj accidentally followed then unfollowed a fitness influencer a while ago, should we speculate about the influencer joining ooak

[old cypress]

No because of how the contract is. If njz loses, the contract is valid so the penalty is calculated according to the contract and it will only consider potential losses from ADOR.

Only exception is if the judge sets a separate penalty and forces them to settle (dunno if that's even possible legally)

[polar owl]

Penalty should be calculated on expected profits and not revenue

[fierce cloak]

The current ceo being recorded that she has no plan for njz, too overwhelming for her. Plus, she literally try to steal credit for Tokyo Dome event even if she didnt involve.

[copper jetty]

So only Ador's side?

[old cypress]

yeah like in all contracts. If idols want to terminate early, they need to pay for the potential loss of income

[empty halo]

but based on what people have said in this chat, isnt ador supposed to file for termination with the courts and the courts decide the penalty fee?? im confused

[old cypress]

there isn't a single kpop contract where you get paid for terminating early, it's just common sense really

[copper jetty]

Yeah after determining the contract validation.

[empty halo]

obviously theyll have to pay the penalty, its about whos gonna decide what the penalty will be? is it gonna be ador or the courts

[rare dune]

i’m gonna explode from stressing out about this

[polar owl]

Yes, the step is needed. Either side have to terminate

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-squidward-krusty-krab-training-video-poop-gif-13429955355820746777

[waxen musk]

I still can't believe that all this is just a fight for freedom in the end. Why isn't freedom a right?

[rare dune]

because the way the industry works has been so normalised people think it’s okay for them to be mistreated

[empty halo]

i still cant wrap my head around all the legalese, i just know the basics about what the injunction prevents and what the lawsuit is about

[old cypress]

ador hasn't done anything. NJZ are the ones filing for termination using a clause that allows them to terminate without the penalty if there's a breakdown of trust. In a few days if the judge decides that the clause can't be used, then the contract is considered still valid and NJZ will have to either stay at ADOR or file for termination the standard way (by paying the penalty)

[polar owl]

Of course you will not get paid. But the final payout should be a differential. You cannot calculate earnings of one party, and calculate the amount. Frankly, I don't know.

[wise basin]

Chat im nervous

[rare dune]

me too

[copper jetty]

So wait... if the contract is still valid then newjeans will file for the termination then pay penalty. If newjeans win and the contract is not valid then Ador will just go their way and newjeans will too... unless Ador files for appeal...

Can't the girls also sue for damages if they win? Ador technically broke the trust in the contract by not giving them work or have plans...

[old cypress]

it's in the contract. But it's likely that the court will change the amount

[wicked timber]

this is fkin scary oh my god

[waxen musk]

I'm predicting both will sue each other for damages.

[empty halo]

great thats what i wanted to know

[empty halo]

is this ai

[wicked timber]

https://x.com/shimazi777/status/1982950525219053786

しまじ (@shimazi777)

前回の投稿でニュジが勝つと思ってると言ったことの自分なりの説明をします

■仮処分判決について
仮処分で重要視されるのは
①現状維持
②投資重視
③重大な契約違反の有無
重大な契約違反の今までの事例は給料未払い、暴力、違法行為など

X · Oct 27, 2025, 11:20 PM

[empty halo]

oh right but it seems that the penalty fee that njz will pay to the court will be changed (and likely reduced) by the court

[copper jetty]

Depending on who wins, i think the winner would definitely sue.

[old cypress]

that's correct.

The girls can sue for damages but I dunno if they will, they prob just want to move on

[empty halo]

if they want to i hope they dont hesitate and go for it

[old cypress]

According to past occurrences (of other groups/actors/etc terminating) yes it's often reduced by a lot

[polar owl]

Yes. this is what happens. You counter sue and then agree to pull off the cases when neither can win.

[empty halo]

thats great

tokkium restored

[copper jetty]

Nah they COULD sue... at least i think they should so that agencies can't just do this to their artists.

Like what hybe did to fromis.
Agencies should also be held accountable and this should be the norm

[waxen musk]

*tt https://www.tiktok.com/@ngomanegyal/video/7560392797174484242

[harsh dove]

@NgomaneGyal

[waxen musk]

I might as well post it here for convenience since nobody actually acknowledged it when I posted link earlier.

[old cypress]

Now what i'm gonna say is just speculation but since mhj already started her label I feel like they don't expect the penalty fee to be too big. Or maybe MHJ is convinced that njz will win.

[rare dune]

[empty halo]

this is the opinion most people on this chat probably already have

[copper jetty]

I'm guessing the shaman is still employed.

[old cypress]

lol

[empty halo]

shes well spoken though, the video could help people who are misinformed about min heejin

[copper jetty]

OR hear me out... she already has investments lined up that could possibly pay for the fee.

[plucky cloud]

the time is near

[empty halo]

wouldnt investments go into the group and label's development, not penalty fees?

im sure not many investors are interested in paying off the girls' personal termination fees lol

[old cypress]

investments can be used to pay penalty fees. It's like buying a football player from other team by paying its release clause

[waxen musk]

You would think they would be able to make enough money as NJZ over the next few years to cover the costs of the fees. The size of those fees and how well they perform financially as NJZ can really determine if this is realistic or not though. You would think it is fairly realistic.

AND THAT'S WITHOUT INVESTMENTS INVOLVED

[empty halo]

hmm makes sense

[copper jetty]

I mean the girls being free of the contract is an investment.

[empty halo]

true

[polar owl]

If MHJ sets up a trust fund or something and get money from public, I am sure a lot of general public will also invest

[old cypress]

njz are walking money machines so it's not hard to see the value in liberating them and having a stake in the new company. But I'm not sure if mhj is willing to let outside people own the company. I guess she has a majority stake this time around

[empty halo]

i dont think they need to do that lol the girls are most definitely loaded personally too, i mean haerin bought a whole ass house for her family if im not wrong

[polar owl]

That's so nice of her

[old cypress]

They might be loaded but the penalty fee can be loaded too

[empty halo]

theyve been collecting revenue from streams all this time too, ador is still paying them

[polar owl]

It's about having a stake in their future. As tokkis, it would be great if we can invest in them and see our money grow as well as they succeed.

[empty halo]

itll be a big fee, yes, and itll hurt their wallets but not put them in a financially unsafe position. thats why the courts probably gonna be put in charge of changing it to a more reasonable amount

[old cypress]

Yes most likely but wait & see I guess

Ideally they win and there's no penalty discussion to be had

[copper jetty]

And just in case ador wouldn't be able to influence how much the penalty fee would be right? Or can they ask for a specific amount but judge would still have the final say?

[empty halo]

can there be a "partial win" tho? idk if its possible, or if this is just a win and loss case

[old cypress]

they'll ask for the amount specified in the contract so the max amount

[empty halo]

the latter probs

[copper jetty]

I think there can be... like from what happened with some of the exo members

[old cypress]

Partial win would be they lose but the penalty fee is small

[copper jetty]

Oh wait that's not the same thing

[empty halo]

i see

[old cypress]

like "breakdown of trust is not valid but considering the damaged situation njz can terminate for 10k usd" for example

[copper jetty]

I'm hoping for a landslide win so that Hybe can't spin this the way they want in the media but that's probably a long shot huh.

[polar owl]

10k usd seems nice

[empty halo]

honestly all tokkis should collectively IGNORE the media and the way they try to frame everything, if the girls have a partial victory which feels so unlikely, thats good enough

[polar owl]

Girls are free? They can make new music? If yes, media can go to hell.

[bronze talon]

twitter tokkis try not to cover every single drama or bad news about the girls and give their opinion

[empty halo]

i can just picture all the tokkis on twitter aggressively typing away and trying to fix the headlines that are not positive towards the girls, regardless of what the verdict is, as if thats gonna change the way the media will frame everything. just leave it alone and be happy for the girls and the fandom. you cant control the media

[frozen granite]

Tokkis:

[empty halo]

i dont know who that is but sur

[copper jetty]

Idk who this is but I do know he's on demon hunter anime. What does he do???

[frozen granite]

In that scene specifically he is aggressively trying to protect the demons slayers through his blood art power lol that sticker on his forehead gives him the ability to locate them & give them strategies to defeat demons

Guys I’m anxious

[fierce cloak]

Somehow im very optimistic about njz outcome 😁 so im not worry
Regardless of outcome, even in worst scenarior, i know they have preparation

[frozen granite]

Is the tokkium level high?

[snow furnace]

above high

[copper jetty]

Give me some of that tokkium.

[waxen musk]

Still need more tokkium supply.

[copper jetty]

Mine dissipated. It was high before when mhj launched her label now it's like back to 0.

That injunction ruling really traumatized us.

[wicked timber]

thanks for this explanation. it was actually an aha moment for me

[snow furnace]

feelings tomorrow will be mixed

[fierce cloak]

I think, we feel anxious because we feel powerless of things we cant control. Which is kinda true for fans who cant do anything about the judgement. But think about what you can do now and after it. Regardless of outcome, you still support NJZ right. You still live your life. So it give you agency and less tunnel minded waiting minute by minute.

[snow furnace]

pray harder🙏

[frozen granite]

Someone on here said ador can refuse the girls’ attempt to pay the penalty fee. I think that’s what made me feel pessimistic

[fierce cloak]

I remember many years ago when DBSK, which was the top bg back then, spit up, went to court and all kind of drama, people argued a lot too. But eventually 3 members got the freedom they want. Certainly, they got banned from broadcast but they still have strong career anyway (except 1 became criminal).

That is life y'all. With NJZ members capability, they still thrive in their own way.

[old cypress]

There's no way they can refuse, it's in the contract

[waxen musk]

It's inconclusive if Ador can refuse to accept fees.

[old cypress]

It's not inconclusive, they just can't. The right to terminate is the foundation of every modern contract

[empty halo]

if they cant terminate theyd be literal slaves 😭

[old cypress]

exactly

[waxen musk]

They aren't slaves. They have the choice to be "not free" until 2029.

[empty halo]

so theyre slaves till 2029

[waxen musk]

Yeah ! (Not slaves because they're not forced to work. They can refuse to work still. But they're still not free. They can't do what they want.)

[empty halo]

😭 its just not possible they can terminate OBVIOUSLY

[frozen granite]

Ador can sue them for non-cooperation though

[old cypress]

See this is the problem with many people. We start with simple clear concepts like 1+1=2 and yall are "we're not sure, maybe 1+1=3 maybe 1+1=4" and yall get lost and confused

[copper jetty]

Wait wait... ador can refuse the payment??

[frozen granite]

No one knows, but there’s a possibility

[empty halo]

no bc that would be slavery