NJZ Updates and Discussion

[waxen musk]

And to be honest it took this hiatus to really realise a lot of this.

[frozen granite]

Why are we speculating they’ll abandon the industry ?

[clear hill]

I feel like there’s so much anticipation for their return it’s inevitable people have high expectations for their (hypothetical/hopeful) redebut/comeback.And I think because of the way their careers were taking off comeback after comeback(omg+ditto were so successful after attention+hype boy, get up ep comeback really put them on the global market) and then their sudden departure from the industry it’s only natural. They were never supposed to disappear so soon. Their careers literally just started.

[waxen musk]

We were just talking about worst case scenarios in general lol. Nothing realistic.

[clear hill]

So because of that I understand why their debut as njz w pitstop felt a bit lacklustre. When you’re dominating the industry and releasing a hit better than the previous it gets to a point where you can’t please everyone.

[empty jetty]

Lackluster? It was trending #1 on Melon lol

[frozen granite]

Literally

[waxen musk]

I'm still pissed off how awful the fan live streams of that were, to the point it affected my enjoyment of that moment. (I grew to love it later.) However, it went crazy on places like Twitter and definitely "trended"... but I'd agree that it was very short lived.

[frozen granite]

Short lived ≠ lackluster

[clear hill]

I didn’t rlly like pitstop tbh and I know a lot of ppl didn’t like it either. Doesn’t mean it’s not a good song 😭 y’all r missing my point

[waxen musk]

I know. The same could be said about their 2024 songs not living up to Get Up. (I personally disagree.)

[frozen granite]

I will say pitstop is better than how sweet & bubble gum …

[waxen musk]

HELL NO

[frozen granite]

I personally didn’t like them as much as pitstop …

[waxen musk]

I'm just glad there's a variety of opinions where different people do really like all of their songs.

[frozen granite]

I did love the art though the y2k albums are iconic
My little pizza boxes lol

[clear hill]

My point was, they’ve set the bar so high that pitstop can’t even compare to the rest of their discography. I think any other group would be lucky to even have a song like pitstop.

[late ether]

Guys do yall remember the messages that were allegedly sent by MHJ that were very derogatory towards the members being presented as evidence in the case? These were dismissed by court because they were proven to be fake right?

[clear hill]

And also let me set the record straight pitstop is a good song!😭 maybe it’s bc the quality from the recordings were so buns that we didn’t hear it in all of its glory. Plus they’ve never recorded it, it was just a demo.

[waxen musk]

My understanding of the leaked MHJ messages is so iffy. But weren't those specific messages actually targeted towards other people, not the members? It's just the context was completely misrepresented or something. (Help me out lol)

[late ether]

Dude idk toooo 😭😭😭 thats why im asking

[frozen granite]

I think 1tokki’s twitter could answer that or the NewJeans Reddit account

[late ether]

It really hurts to say this but i found the “go hyein” part a lil bit cringe i cant lie

[waxen musk]

My memory of the messages is iffy because I always understood basically all of them to be out of context or presented by untrustworthy sources... so I kind of never put much effort in trying to understand them, making it more difficult for me to actually explain them.

[late ether]

What do i even search for there 😭💔

[frozen granite]

I’d use keywords such as “kakao” or “texts” Idk lol

[clear hill]

I don’t recall, is one of them about them about minji? Like how Minji looked better as a kid or something?

[waxen musk]

MHJ said that during one of her press conferences, something that sounds normal to Korean speakers but sounds weird when translated. So no, not that.

[clear hill]

I found “Cut from a different fabric” especially cringe bc I fully remember as a 12 year old writing that down for a rap😭

[frozen granite]

I think it is a reference to a pair of jeans, I read in one of the performance videos one of the lyrics translates to “even though I’m scattered the color is blue jeans” i thought it was sort of punny lol

[late ether]

Nah they were texts allegedly sent by MHJ calling the members “fat” and “lazy “

[frozen granite]

Maybe she was calling BSH fat & lazy?

[waxen musk]

Best I could do with a quick (literally 1 minute) search. I'm still searching. https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1901096395870007430

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram)

@jeerabis @eniwastaken @talytokki MHJ: XXX is fat
Wrecker: MHJ said this about a member *conveniently blurs out name*
Reality: MHJ said this about Bang Si Hyuk

You don't understand such a simple concept? Just bc they're her words, doesn't mean they represent the truth. The lack of critical thinking...

X · Mar 16, 2025, 2:21 AM

[late ether]

For those that are interested in this this is the closest thing i could find https://x.com/juantokki/status/1958749254270558622?s=46 i could find the actual messages tho

1tokki (@juantokki)

There is a difference between using Kakaotalk messages of someone else that were obtained illegally as evidence in court and presenting your own Kakaotalk messages between you and other people in your own press conference. And the admissibility of these chat logs being argued on

X · Aug 22, 2025, 4:33 AM

[waxen musk]

Either way there's a history of messages being out of context and from dodgy sources (cyber wreckers or Dispatch, etc.) regarding what you're talking about above, about Hanni's messages with MHJ regarding the ignore her incident, about MHJ's issues with "Employee B", and more!

I wish I could do better and directly find the source of these messages and the dubunks. But SO MUCH has happened searching for anything related to messages just brings up so much different stuff. So many different types of messages about different topics have been leaked over the past who knows how long.

Ok NOW is exactly 17 days left.

[late ether]

So basically from my understanding MHJ really did send these messages but they cant prove that she was talking about the members?

[cinder narwhal]

wtf

[frozen granite]

https://tenor.com/view/ariana-grande-hair-flip-gif-25661002

I said what I said

[red thorn]

To me whole njz era aka pitstop era was like a prototype

[clear hill]

Ohhh I remember now

[clear hill]

Yea it definitely sounds like they were trying to do something completely different. Their complexcon debut leaned more into rap and r&b and this makes me sooo curious on the plans they had for njz.

Also the amount of njz/newjeans lost media makes me sad. I hope that USB sees the light of day soon lol

[frozen granite]

We’ll see in a few weeks

[clear hill]

I know they were definitely recording new music when they had njzforfree bc I remember seeing a story of hanni or Minji in a studio booth ,... I’m dying to hear it 🥲

[raven kelp]

oh pitstop my bbg just know that you're loved and i'll always defend you against these senseless slanders

[thick glade]

I'm late to this convo, but I'm of the opinion that cringe is also part of what makes them amazing.

[honest sky]

17 days

[compact creek]

https://tenor.com/view/kuawop-kaori-zach-campbell-zachary-campbell-gif-5143758070553812709

[raven kelp]

pitstop could've been on an album with how sweet and that demo, and i don't think it would have been out of place

[short laurel]

We'll nvr get full ver of getup

[wise basin]

Oct lowk going by fast

✨🕯️✨🕯️✨🕯️✨

[frozen granite]

Why do you think that

[empty jetty]

We actually got the full version

[cinder narwhal]

We actually got the full version

[cerulean lake]

i need a clean recording of pitstop before i make a verdict on it

i lowkey only listened to the scuffed audio once. the injunction results made me avoid kpop for like months 😭

[short laurel]

since there's no clean recording of it in public. we can't really judge well.

[empty halo]

what where when

how who huh

[fast snow]

NJZ Deadline end of october
2nd week of November Disneyland
1st week of December Military Academy
Eventful end to the year

[rugged dagger]

ditto this because WHEN??

[fathom onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[empty jetty]

thats the full version

[short laurel]

There's extended version cover made by many ppl online but no official

[empty jetty]

we gotta accept its a prelude

[waxen musk]

Interlude. Pre = before. New Jeans is a "prologue" (aka prelude) according to the description of the album on Phoning before its release. Inter = between. I'm trying to find who said Get Up at 36 seconds long is the full song or if I just imagined it. One of the girls might have very quickly said that when answering a question during a Phoning live.

[empty jetty]

i said its the full version

[waxen musk]

I didn't say you didn't. Just explaining in full detail and correcting you on interlude vs prelude.

[empty jetty]

and they previously said they didnt had any plans of releasing a longer version

i dont remember where tho

[waxen musk]

16 days left

[short laurel]

i remember there was some plans related to it in full album. we won't get newjeans1 cuz of hybe. hope we get njz1 though next year probably.

[empty jetty]

Mb saying it’s a prelude

[fathom onyx]

interlude

[hollow sorrel]

I dont even get where extended get up came from like for years everyone has been asking for it but like are kpop stans not familiar with the concept of interludes?

[waxen musk]

Well it’s just too good to be 36 seconds long people are just greedy. But also didn’t they say it was some indication of their future sound?

[short laurel]

I remember them suggesting doing something with it for newjeans 1.

[cerulean lake]

we were so robbed. i mourn the loss of that album 🥀

unless it’s still sitting in the vault somewhere and njz wins on oct 30th, i doubt we’re seeing that content 😭

[orchid field]

We were robbed of a full album, Halloween special, fan meet and world tour

[waxen musk]

Maybe it was really bad and Hybe secretly saved us from disappointment and since then the producers of NJZ's music have reflected on their poor choices and have been cooking the greatest thing to ever exist.

Nah so much was taken from us there's no real way to cope with that. I still don't know how rights work with unreleased songs. Hold It Down is gone forever or not (or until NewJeans IP rights are won)? I have no clue.

[clear hill]

We were robbed from sooo much. Hybe definitely knew the power they held and wanted to put an end to it ASAP.

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-asap-hyein-haerin-minji-gif-8062388812901306340

Also I just got into the lore of snsd and it reminds me a lot of what happened to Jessica.

[empty jetty]

I was so happy with the world tour teaser

[cerulean lake]

hybe needs to pay for their actions

[cinder narwhal]

you know they arent

[rugged dagger]

just because it's an interlude doesn't mean people can't ask for it to be a full song. nothing wrong with hoping for more of something you like

[cinder narwhal]

you're right, but it's also one of the most tired requests from bunnies

[copper jetty]

I think get up is perfect just the way it is. I do hope that they someday do another r&b song like that. The girls' voices just fits.

[empty jetty]

*x https://x.com/poppykpoppie/status/1977978069530091951?s=46&t=YRD40KXj3ph2j8r7Ods43w

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

my dudes.... both sides are still submitting reference documents for the njz vs ador that's set to give its ruling in the next 16 days... i wonder when the court will set 마지막 제출기한 (final submission deadline)??

X · Oct 14, 2025, 6:01 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1977978069530091951 does not contain any media!

[empty jetty]

https://fxtwitter.com/poppykpoppie/status/1977978069530091951?s=46&t=YRD40KXj3ph2j8r7Ods43w

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

my dudes.... both sides are still submitting reference documents for the njz vs ador that's set to give its ruling in the next 16 days... i wonder when the court will set 마지막 제출기한 (final submission deadline)??

Quoting 높새 (@NopeSae722)
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FxTwitter · Oct 14, 2025, 6:01 AM

[empty halo]

daily prayer circle
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[wise basin]

newjeans gone forever military service almost over 2 weeks to go

[waxen musk]

So quiet for us but not quiet behind the scenes.

[hollow sorrel]

15 days left

[cinder narwhal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewJeans/s/YAO1t9jPIw

hah thread

[waxen musk]

I don't even look at that NewJeans subreddit these days but I wasn't aware of any hate towards other groups.

That subreddit isn't even particularly active compared to this Discord thread. I went to see how active the kpop megathread is out of curiousity, but it's not pinned and I'm not going looking for it.

I should probably read more than just the initial comment you linked to, I'm sure people are saying the same thing I said.

[waxen musk]

Oh shit I was glad I had forgotten about that other subreddit but thanks to this... I just remembered.

[cinder narwhal]

the replies are where it's at

[waxen musk]

Yeah I'm reading through it now.

Tokkis are understandably a bit sensitive to a comment like that.

They're all correct though. There's nothing more for me to add here that wasn't said there.

"I'm literally a bunny myself [...] Bunnies are literally known as one of the most toxic fandom"

I think it is incomparable the amount of toxicity given to NJZ compared to the amount Tokkis give to others.

[onyx hearth]

Hi

Just wanna say min hee Jin is problematic

[waxen musk]

[onyx hearth]

But anyway separate min her jin from newjeans no one should be defending her

Actually don’t know why ppl care about her sm

Also do research will help!!!

[waxen musk]

Are you here because you care about the NJZ members and actually want to talk about this topic or have you already made up your mind and are unwilling to change, coming here to troll out of boredom?

Who goes back to find a random comment from weeks ago?

[native anchor]

still dont get how people hate her since everyone assumes those allegations are 100 percent fact

everyone who hates her*

[cinder narwhal]

i agree please do it yourself

[waxen musk]

I can't react to your comment with emotes but can other's.

[cinder narwhal]

not even, the comment is from January 😭

[waxen musk]

Oh yeah. I wish the world had consistent date formatting.

[cerulean lake]

i agree with their statement bc i don’t usually hate on others unless they do vile stuff, but it does sometimes get annoying when we are expected to be the fandom to “step up” when the other subreddits dogpile insults them every second

[waxen musk]

You agree with the initial statement that says most Tokkis hate on other groups? I'm asking because I'm confused by your comment, which doesn't indicate you agreeing with them even though you said you agree.

[waxen musk]

I kind of hate you for getting me reading reddit again. I'm a bit bored lol so I've been reading a lot. I've been just fascinated by what people have to say in that drama subreddit that I've honestly never spent any real time in. I feel like I'm going insane witnessing so much in-depth talk about a group they hate. They claim to feel bad about the grooming and have people studiying at University these topics give their input. They speculate in-depth on what the future may hold for these girls, all the specifics, more than any of us do. At least some of the talk about what they think will happen seems to conclude with the girls being free regardless of the judgement (but absolutely with fines according these those people), so that's something we can agree on at least.

I hate how intelligently and "thought out" (as in literally put a lot of time and energy thinking about it) a lot of the discussion I see is... because in the end I'm still disagreeing with everything. It reminds me a lot of the recent political topics where people who know how to speak and argue will succeed in convincing people even if they can be completely wrong. Anyway, it's opened my eyes and I know it's basically a tiny bubble of people in a specific community. I need to refocus on all the love and trends that happen daily instead of being blinded by this madness.

[cerulean lake]

nah i don’t agree w that part. i just meant the whole fandoms fighting and bringing up unnecessary drama when it’s unprovoked

[waxen musk]

Got it. Just when you say you agree it wasn't clear whether it was the initial comment or all the comments that followed.

[cerulean lake]

it’s not directly abt the comment itself but the overall sentiment i guess? there are times when tokkis can start up drama but after all the stuff that other fandoms did to them, i can see why some are super sensitive

[waxen musk]

Yep.

[cerulean lake]

and me personally, i’m not the type of person to separate fandoms and artists super easily. ik people say to do that but i lowkey don’t watch much content of the artists if their fandoms are super annoying.

but i won’t go and hate on the artists

[rugged dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-you-are-cat-sus-suspicious-cat-side-eye-cat-meme-gif-11842087146493734807

[empty jetty]

who's slandering my goat

[orchid field]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

whenever someone that looks like a bunnies says some shit like that I just assume they don't like newjeans that much

[snow furnace]

nice try

[tawdry vessel]

u fakeeeee

the girls are defending her so we should too

who do u belive the girls who personally know her or jobless miserable ppl on twitter

[short laurel]

"Also do research will help!!!" the balls to say that right after questioning MHJ.

kpop making underage idols do questionable steps on questionable songs. Kpopies: so cute ♥️♥️♥️.
MHJ produced cookie for newjeans. Kpopies: "BAN, illegal, P*do, kick her 🤬

[snow furnace]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/948918589602267186/1227417592520769596/2FU6lOm.mov?ex=68f03eb6&is=68eeed36&hm=2ad80ca2d55c7b02ad159b2898033d1f3bce30bd5cab5d252ff639be0a473274&

she has to rethink and re-research

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212483347188547627/1405296090470682655/haerinbertapa.gif

[empty jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-gun-shot-gif-14869640

How she looked

[honest sky]

Dont hurt her now Golden moon

[onyx hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/table-mess-lmao-laugh-gif-5126644939264248578

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/minjisbodyguard/status/1978068404243181628

hybe flop🏎️🏁 ⭒ (@minjisbodyguard)

First it was “Everyone will forget them after the scandal” and when they didn’t it was “Everyone will forget them after the hiatus” and now after they didn’t it’s “everyone will forget them in 1-2 years”
Lmaooooo

X · Oct 14, 2025, 12:00 PM

[marsh roost]

2 weeks til free jeans

[waxen musk]

In 13 hours but yeah.

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/kkjjerr/status/1978363516143698100

🙂 (@kkjjerr)

대충 찍은거1

X · Oct 15, 2025, 7:33 AM

adorsupporters’ press conference (the funniest thing you’ll see this week)

[orchid field]

lmao its ONE guy gfys

damn its deleted i cant even dog on him

[waxen musk]

Not even worth my time to comment on how it's funny.

[bronze talon]

what did he do

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/TOKKI_JPN_820/status/1978432957204300037

ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)

(参考程度に)

10月15日、ador supportersがHYBE社屋前で声明文を朗読(おそらく動画、音声を記録していた)

その数時間後、本訴訟で原告側（HYBE）から「マルチメディア主張資料」が提出された。

マルチメディア資料とは、音声、映像、画像などを用いた資料のこ...

X · Oct 15, 2025, 12:09 PM

[bronze talon]

💀

[waxen musk]

Read a statement in front of Hybe building, recorded it, then a few hours later Hybe's side submitted some "multimedia" evidence to the court.

[snow furnace]

they'll do anything

[waxen musk]

When I see them resorting to these pathetic tactics it gives me more hope.

[flint stone]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1978445001748091384?t=IC1pf_-G6L0xS8Jx-_qpnw&s=19 wtf, was there beainwash somewhere?

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

A ador supporter read a statement in front of hybe and recorded it. A few hours later, hybe submitted multimedia materials including audio, video, and images as evidence in the lawsuit

X · Oct 15, 2025, 12:57 PM

[bronze talon]

how and where would it even be some sort of evidence in any shape of form 😭

[hollow sorrel]

what I wonder is if they were really a plant by HYBE why didnt they boost the account? It still has 7 followers only, and I feel like if they wanted to make it seem like ador has a lot of supporters they could have easily boosted it with more bots

[wise basin]

Ahahahah

[orchid field]

hybe orchastrated the account and speech and had their own lawyers submit it as evidence LMAO this is so obvious

[flint stone]

wtf

[orchid field]

im not saying it is what happened but ive had dumber people than me come to the same conclusion already

[wise basin]

https://x.com/Splias/status/1978446856494391349?t=qgEwPNk6fizIwcWA8Xzj7A&s=33
😭😭😭

Lia (@Splias)

Prepare yourself for what you are about to read

A hybe Stan did a speech infront of Hybe requesting for newjeans to go back then coincidentally hybe submitted video footage to court

Are they trying to act as if Tokkis are doing this? these people are a cult 💀

X · Oct 15, 2025, 1:04 PM

[clear hill]

Can someone ss wgat was said 🥺I can’t see it lol</3

[empty jetty]

They should just free them after this, this is rock bottom

[empty jetty]

"I, who isn’t paid by hybe and found this random microphone on the street, want to say that I miss ADOR NewJeans, the company has great direction and Grammy producers, also BSH is very handsome and looks like and idol, I wasn’t paid by this, also MHJ smells, this isn’t paid and I a total legit Bernice think this on behalf the fandom"

[flint stone]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1978446989537820971?t=UMPKUstUqI1evhBAEg2SlA&s=19

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

They literally hired someone to act out this whole scene and then submitted it as evidence to the court with no fking shame
How is no one holding them accountable? What’s happening with south korea’s legal system???

X · Oct 15, 2025, 1:04 PM

[clear hill]

Ur not trolling right?I seriously can’t tell 💀

[empty jetty]

I am

[rare dune]

💀 this is obsession

[clear hill]

Send a ss pls😭

[short laurel]

This is insane. Why are these hybe stans so obsessed with newjeans. Leave the girls alone.

[clear hill]

We all know why. I get why bsh is upset because newjeans’ success is an everyday reminder that he doesn’t have what it takes to create a group with this much impact as newjeans.

[flint stone]

Jealousy, I guess

[clear hill]

Every attempt at creating a group to beat newjeans is almost insulting because it’s not the formula you steal from someone that indicates success, it’s the integrity of newjeans and their chemistry that touches ppl and made them this successful

[short laurel]

I mean stans.

[empty jetty]

I am joking 😭

[clear hill]

Let’s be real a Hybe Stan is as real as legit as an undercover FBI agent 💀

[craggy skiff]

I know this is stupid but i hope team bunnies could make a same thing to prevent this shjt somehow treated as fandom opinion

[flint stone]

I think if needed they will definitely do something

[short laurel]

Teambunnies once did a petition to show bunnies not want njz with ador. It was submitted to injunction court iirc. Should be in main court too.

[heady gate]

D-14

[grizzled summit]

15 days to go yall

[waxen musk]

14 days 7 hours and 35 minutes

14 days 7 hours and 34 minutes now

Two weeks is crazy though.

[hoary frost]

[raven kelp]

https://x.com/bborbnz/status/1978479517766455624

bbor (@bborbnz)

X · Oct 15, 2025, 3:14 PM

[wise basin]

Imagine scrolling the tl when there’s just one day left 😭

[waxen musk]

The funny thing is I can imagine it because we’ve been through it a few times before. It’s just this increases the intensity of what we’ve experienced before at least 10 times. I hate it.

[empty jetty]

The last week is going to be a long one I fear

[cerulean lake]

can sejong send in that pic of him being the only one at his “conference”

[flint stone]

maybe

[cerulean lake]

someone fly to sk and stick that pic outside the courtroom

[radiant parrot]

guys is the last court case soon and does it really mean they are back?

[native anchor]

its the final verdict on october 30th

[fathom onyx]

1. yes
2. we have no frickin idea

[radiant parrot]

oh so basically we have to pray 🙏

[fathom onyx]

true 😅

[cinder narwhal]

are you banned from r/newjeans?

[heady gate]

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/entertainment/k-pop/20251013/bang-si-hyuks-legal-battle-turns-on-when-bts-success-became-predictable

[clear hill]

No reddit just doesn’t work on my phone lol

[short laurel]

Didn't bts rapid rise started with 2017 2018? Success should be predictable in 2020. 🤔

[feral tapir]

make him lose his job already

[flint stone]

Wait, they can do it? https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1978728405030838572?t=9xpQ50tJDFEs5OhcTVhwzA&s=19

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

Two Korean culture critics have submitted expert opinions to the court overseeing the NewJeans case and urged the government to step in, stressing that the court’s recent move to ban NewJeans’ activities must be stopped. https://t.co/sa5JA2HErB

X · Oct 16, 2025, 7:43 AM

[empty jetty]

hybe must be pissed that njs side got actual people to do that instead of fake fans

[mild mist]

I hope they can because it will make Reddit mad

[orchid field]

what the fuck is a pop culture critic surely thats a fake job nobody needs 40-50 hours of pop culture critic a week

[short laurel]

but they making good point.s

[short laurel]

really like the line obstructed by bsh.

Article 4 of the standard singer contract stipulates that all activities, including musical activities, broadcasting, advertising, and event activities, must be subordinated to a single agency. Furthermore, it recommends that even acting, and even literary and artistic activities, be negotiated and contracted with a single agency.

That is why the members of New Jeans were banned from all activities as singers, entertainers, and media outlets listed above, simply because they lost an injunction lawsuit against their contracted agency, Adore. This absurd situation occurred where they were banned from activities as singers and even as human beings.

"even as human beings" i m glad this is being pointed out by korean critics.

[mild mist]

I think it means 'occasionally writes for tmz'

[orchid field]

i guess that works

[cinder narwhal]

if i see people saying these guys were paid but adorsupporter was not

[short laurel]

even if they were not talking about newjeans. the fact they c the problem with idol contract is good thing. so if anyone say this article paid or bad, they must be a really sad person.

[wise basin]

Am I the only one noticing the media suddenly switching sides for njz

[flint stone]

They did?

[cinder narwhal]

where

[wise basin]

Sorry my bad though this was a good thing
https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1978728405030838572?t=PPcoOgK990qFro3gzBI9lw&s=19

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

Two Korean culture critics have submitted expert opinions to the court overseeing the NewJeans case and urged the government to step in, stressing that the court’s recent move to ban NewJeans’ activities must be stopped. https://t.co/sa5JA2HErB

X · Oct 16, 2025, 7:43 AM

[flint stone]

This one is good, because it's to support nj, but most of media and news outlets are not really on their side

[wise basin]

Thanks for explaining

[flint stone]

Why delete? What was the names there? In that post there aren't any names

[flint stone]

I saw someone mentioning critics names, wait a sec

Wait, I'm confused now https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1978752561264857169?t=Tghj6D2qNOItVUUqiyQjxA&s=19

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

on oct 16, pop culture critics kim sonsu and byun heejae sent a letter to the culture ministry, urging officials to step in so newjeans can resume activities “hindered by bang si-hyuk.”

X · Oct 16, 2025, 9:19 AM

[flint stone]

Byun Hee Jae isn't an ally?

Okay,its sus https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1978834524617244770?t=m4SPlSCcF6BlxyRkSwuh1A&s=19

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

@katrusik2207 that critic and bsh have at least 2 decades worth of feud…so its hard to say where his true intentions lie because the hate he has for that fraudster is so well known.

X · Oct 16, 2025, 2:44 PM

[orchid field]

This is you @short laurel

[short laurel]

why tag me? that sounds more like @waxen musk

[frozen granite]

Are we cooking chat?

[heady gate]

come back in 13 days

[fathom onyx]

real

[orchid field]

Tou talk the most

[short laurel]

in here? i talk so much less than so many people here.

[bronze talon]

And then there's me

[torn idol]

uhhh

[empty jetty]

i think ur in the top 3(we dont talk a lot in here tho, mainly updates)

[short laurel]

not even close

[empty jetty]

i wont go deeper since its off topic

[cerulean lake]

the difference is that ashbash types in long paragraphs

[cerulean lake]

if they lose, i fr need to go back on my kpop cleanse 😭

[short laurel]

and deletes half his massages. no offense @waxen musk

there's also factor of when people joined. i was here on this thread since may 2024. many joined and left(kicked) in between. i talked alot last year but been way less than so many of u past few months.

[waxen musk]

Yeah because of the fucking slowmode.

Just double or triple my results, because I say everything all at once rather than over multiple messages.

[cerulean lake]

nah thats real tho. it’s annoying when u wanna add smth and have to wait 🫩

[native anchor]

yall who live here will be soon homeless

[empty jetty]

I will gladly take it if it means freedom

[native anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/signing-signature-its-official-contract-nipsey-hussle-gif-13869752

[pulsar wasp]

Hope we’re doing well today y’all. Seeing NJZ pop back up in my feed despite the hiatus gives me life

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1978858248644993225

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

we were supposed to have NJZ X Bape collab…

X · Oct 16, 2025, 4:19 PM

[clear hill]

It’s a cultural war at the end of the day. You can always fabricate public support but you can’t secure real, genuine and passionate support

[hollow sorrel]

I hope it can still happen in the future

April 15th…

[clear hill]

There’s nothing wrong w typing paragraphs tho,,this is a discussion forum at the end of the day and idky ppl r surprised when people put thought into their words in discourse lol

[waxen musk]

I just feel like I'm speaking into the void most of the time and just doing it to offload whatever's on my mind.

The Bape stuff is interesting because it look like the Hoodie products are an exact copy of what was meant to be for NJZ but with additional colours to support the 8 members of Stray Kids. See later comments

Also the representative animal illustrations, I guess.

Obviously it's a business decision at the end of the day and I just wonder how many Stray Kids fans are interested in these 609,000 KRW hoodies compared to NJZ fans.

[cerulean lake]

oh yeah didn’t say there was a problem 😭 i tend to type in paragraphs too

maybe not as long but def a lot when i have a lot of things to say

[waxen musk]

The employee who resigned is being made to sound like they resigned because of the NJZ stuff, but I don't think that's the case. They're just showing one NJZ proposed design for a t-shirt in a post showing so much more than just that (and it isn't even the first photo).

[clear hill]

Me too girl me too

[waxen musk]

Either way it potentially shows that things were indeed planned for NJZ's rollout after ComplexCon.

[clear hill]

Yea dw I wasn’t referring to you!

[clear hill]

Exactlyyy bc even w the newjeans bape tracksuits I’ve seen a trend of ppl buying knockoffs of it on tik tok. Newjeans have created this hype for streetwear/fashion in kpop and I love to see it! I also love how a lot of their stage outfits came from indie brands

[waxen musk]

Yeah and that's why it does almost feel like it should have "belonged" to NJZ. I have no knowledge about Stray Kids and whether this is a good fit or just something out of nowhere.

To be honest the designs of these hoodies are so classic they should be a non-collab. I bet they could sell more that way. Instead now people will refuse to buy it because it's related to Stray Kids. (The same could be said about NJZ collab.) See later comments

[clear hill]

Tbh the only knowledge I have of straykids is thru their fandom and I don’t really see the connection. Straykids fans (at least the ones I know, maybe this is an international fans thing)don’t seem to have an interest in hypebeast/streetwear and are more like the kpop fans stereotype

[upper solstice]

[waxen musk]

I would not be upset if they still collab with NJZ after this, for t-shirts or more.

Anyway I'm talking too much about something I'll never buy. I'm not that bold in what I wear.

[hollow sorrel]

stray kids has a huge fanbase but I think they did diff designs for SKZ (also bape is a brand that has a very specific artstyle imo and most of the stuff looks similar)

[clear hill]

The bape hoodies come in those colours, theirs were just custom designs w their name and newjeans branding

[waxen musk]

Oh so the hoodies already exist without branding before NJZ's viral moments?

[clear hill]

Yea

[waxen musk]

See... I have no idea what I'm talking about.

[hollow sorrel]

so Newjeans was sparkly I think it had small rhinestones

[waxen musk]

Also I see mods have reduced the cooldown in here after I said what I did earlier.

[clear hill]

But to be fair newjeans’ popularity really brought them back in the sense that a lot of people see those bape hoodies and regard them as “newjeans hoodies”

[clear hill]

It had their names, the bunny logo and rhinestones

[hollow sorrel]

yes I really hope they can carry out this collab in the future

[waxen musk]

Yeah, see I didn't even remember about the details, just the main design that apparently is a old Bape design anyway. As someone who is clueless with this fashion scene, my only exposure to it comes from NJZ and occasion other K-pop events. Don't listen to me.

[clear hill]

It’s okay! 😭if anything that says a lot about newjeans’ impact on the fashion scene!

[waxen musk]

And brands trusted in NJZ to work out... before it ended up falling apart after the injunction.

[hollow sorrel]

im still mad this, NJZ poster and the performance outfits are literally the only outfits we got from this new era... I wanted concept photos or something so bad

[waxen musk]

The red eyes.

[empty jetty]

I like some stuff from the era but dislike some too, but it looked like it’s going to be a different era and I was kinda excited for that

[waxen musk]

I feel like whatever direction NJZ takes with upcoming comebacks, if it's different, people will think it's different because of everything that's happened, rather than think it was always part of NewJeans' plan (even if it was). Obviously I doubt we'll ever know. And I doubt they were sticking to the old plan, but you never know.

[hollow sorrel]

its actually impressive they got custom Bape, Denim Tears and Alpine Stars clothes without the involvement of HYBE, pretty impressive (Choi Yumi 🐐 )

[waxen musk]

I've seen people assume Pit Stop was a special one off thing. Who knows. They never went into detail.

[bronze jetty]

yes bape is super popular in the streetwear world

[waxen musk]

I mean I'm looking now and the classic Bape hoodies and the ones NJZ wore basically are exactly the same. The collab details are hard to miss for me who didn't know what they were looking for.

Anyway I didn't even know what Denim Tears was either to be honest. But now I can't stop seeing that design all over the place. I saw people IRL wearing it.

Alpine Stars I've always associated with motorsports and not with fashion.

I'm very very veeeery out of the loop with the fashion world. NJZ is my only input into it.

I've only bought a NewJeans X Hiroshi Fujiwara t-shirt and worn it once. I'll wear it again on the 30th I think. But even learning about him was interesting.

[empty jetty]

i didnt knew about all that bape stuff until newjeans either, i saw the logo a ton of times but just after the pit stop era i learned about that

[waxen musk]

It's interesting learning about these new things. Fashion industry. Different artists. The makeup industry. I had no interest before and kind of don't now but at least now I know how fascinating it can be.

[empty jetty]

Yeah, as a casual we don’t appreciate those small details but once you get full into it you start appreciating it

Idk might be yapping outta nowhere but i think I’ve learned a lot from the time I’ve been listening to them

[cinder narwhal]

i liked everything but pit stop 😭

the ig updates were peak

[empty jetty]

pit stop was my favorite part besides the interactions with us

[cerulean lake]

i make a mental list of what hybe robbed from us and i think about how hybe needs to suffer tenfold from it

scary how one’s ego and even take over the greed for profits 😶‍🌫️

[empty jetty]

Just the fact that we got robbed of a world tour is crazy

THANKS TO WHOEVER REDUCED THE SLOWMODE TO 15S ILY SO MUCH

It’s not only stealing that from us but the fact that it’s going to be set back who knows how many years because they need to release music and or fight for their old music is crazy and infuriating to say the least

[cerulean lake]

exactly. not only did they rob us, but they also robbed the girls of their prime years smh

like in terms of music and popularity. they were on such a roll in 2023 🫩

[torn idol]

uh

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/TOKKI_JPN_820/status/1979031778435162585

ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)

労働庁へ異議申し立てを行った結果、過失罰金賦課引用決定が16日に下されたみたいです。

今日？来週？あたりに次回弁論期日が決定されると思う。

X · Oct 17, 2025, 3:48 AM

As a result of filing an objection with the Labor Agency, it seems that a decision to impose a negligence fine was made on the 16th.

Today? Or perhaps next week? I think the next hearing date will be decided around then.

I'm trying to figure out what this is.

All I know is that MHJ is on the top of the front page of tenasia.co.kr and I'm about to read their article that I'm sure is completely trustworthy.

(Yes I'm aware of their reputation.)

I always need so much reminding of what happened when it comes to MHJ's lawsuits.

It seems like MHJ was fined for workplace harassment, something she previously objected to and lost yesterday. I don't remember the details of these private texts and who it was targeted towards. Now this objection decision has been made we will now be waiting for a new date for the delayed MHJ vs Employee B hearing.

That hearing was originally planned for the 13th, as mentioned in the pinned schedule.

Someone who knows what's going on: https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1979035488724963748

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram)

UPDATE: Min Hee Jin lost her appeal over #3 for talking shit in her private texts.

⭐️ REMINDER: The Labor Office concluded MHJ *NEVER* interfered w/ (nor engaged in a coverup) the investigation into the complaint (and SH could not be confirmed)

🧵 (1/2)
https://t.co/5d6NrDAAtJ

X · Oct 17, 2025, 4:03 AM

The #3 is referring to:

Some of the remarks MHJ made in her private texts were also recognized as workplace harassment.

Fines for private texts.

Look at @thegreatgaram's thread if you want to see the (alleged falsely presented by Dispatch) private texts that resulted in this fine.

[waxen musk]

The fact this placement of this article, top and centre of this pro-Hybe website, as if it's the most important bit of news right in this moment... tells you all you need to know.

And it's spreading quickly. It's fascinating to actually observe it in real time this time.

[craggy skiff]

That not a big problem because even a comment on internet could be sued so mhj case not better.
What make me ridiculous is the way it turn from sexual harassment to workspace harassment and hater still call it a win

[waxen musk]

I don't care about the haters. What I care about is the perception of MHJ and how it influences the judges thoughts on if she should work with the NJZ members, and anybody else who could work with her in the future might increasingly hesitate the more MHJ's reputation worsens.

I really do recommend re-reading and seeing why MHJ said these "nasty" things. It's very relatable.

Just adds to the worries I have about how the courts operate in Korea. I've been too optimistic recently, I needed this reality check.

[craggy skiff]

calm down. it won't go anywhere. just chill and relax last 14, or 13 days?

[waxen musk]

I’d love to know the fine amount, because if it’s tiny I’d laugh.

[flint stone]

Dude, I just read that mhj was fined for private messages, what the actual fuck?!

It's like saying hacking/leaking messages are okay,keep doing it and get money for that

[empty jetty]

i doubt its a high amount, hearing a fine without the number means hybe doesnt want to disclose it(as they previously did)

which means its probably a very very low amount

[short laurel]

https://x.com/yanderemchan/status/1979019997654528294?t=VndsuVQvMw701UQwIZHKZg&s=19

🐰🦦🧸🍂🥖☕️ (@yanderemchan)

If MHJ is fined for shit-talking a coworker in private message (after said coworker lied about her in a SH complaint that didn’t even concern her in the first place), then surely HYBE employees shit talking NewJeans in public forums should be fined too?

X · Oct 17, 2025, 3:01 AM

What about hybe shit talking idols in their internal report. Why that wasn't enough to consider harrasment. But mhj shit talking in private chat with someone else is workplace harrasment.

Idols being subjected to cruel workplace practice n n constant micro bullying is not harassment. But shit talking behind someone is harassment.

[heady gate]

Now we know shit talking PM is considered a workplace harassment. Did BSH shit talk MHJ of their PM messages?

[waxen musk]

They should fine everyone for thinking bad things.

[frozen granite]

How did we get here 🫩

[wary creek]

ughhh mhj was too reckless

[cinder narwhal]

is it not on work laptops

[rare dune]

[short laurel]

Not reckless. Ministry of labour is just bs. Someone died in hybe but hybe remains a star company. Idols get no employee protection as they are "equal partners" but in reality they are slaves.
But mhj back talking someone in her private chat is somehow workplace harassment.

[cinder narwhal]

idrc about this case but if it was on work laptops or on your personal phone still using your work account that's still property of your workplace no?

cmiiw i dont remember where it's from

[hushed whale]

i remember last year they revealed that ador use kkt for communication, other sub labels in hybe use slack
so hybe has access to her private conversations as well lol. like her chat with the shaman

[cinder narwhal]

there's probably no distinction between personal and work kkt huh

she probably uses her personal for work

or personal but she used it on work devices hence the hybe access lol

[short laurel]

Still to call this harassment but everything hybe did as not harassment.

[hollow sorrel]

its so funny how HYBE stans will try to make a big deal about her getting fined, but will ignore Bang Si hyuk being fined hundreds of millions of dollars in the upcoming months

[empty jetty]

jailed

[hollow sorrel]

well that too

[frozen granite]

Was BSH found guilty ?

[hollow sorrel]

not yet

[short laurel]

Fine is not only on mhj but mhj n ador.
https://x.com/hahagatung/status/1979056179604263178?t=VBN_gSibUAwkkv9_E4x-4w&s=19

할말 (@hahagatung)

24일 《월간조선》은 라는 제목의 기사를 보도했다. 해당 기사가 보도된 이후 민희진 씨 변호인 측은 《월간조선》에 "정식 불복 절차를 순차적으로 진행할 예정"이라며 ...

X · Oct 17, 2025, 5:25 AM

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1979057966449078569?t=BvqqA2kB-iX9on0EOBs0EA&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki)

Let me clear things up because what everyone is quoting is a 10asia article… you all know what 10asia does…

Basically, the news says the fine on violations by MHJ and ADOR (not just MHJ) has been finalized. There’s no new findings here or whatsoever.

There’s still no Sexual

X · Oct 17, 2025, 5:32 AM

[mild mist]

There is a lesson here - don't use your work machine for anything personal. Ever. Never trust your employer

Also join a union

[mild mist]

'finalised' - the objection/appeal was rejected? Or that a higher-up in the ministry agreed with the original assessment?

[short laurel]

According to twt above that one it says it's not been finalised n they are appealing the case.

[ashen charm]

mhj should've known better while its not a big deal she in her position of power shouldve refrained even if people around her did the same

[short laurel]

my issue is how hybe still considered top company after worse stuff but mhj considered harasser over back biching.
if they wanna fine her so be it but they should do the same with hybe otherwise it's hypocrisy.

[ashen charm]

yeah its like if your security and you stop someone from stealling instead of leting them go you get fired its so bs

[craggy skiff]

korea after all, they never fail to disappoint me
I know every country has its bad sides but damn, they don't even try to hide it

[ashen charm]

when a country is run by companies currpotion is around the corner

[cinder narwhal]

true

[hollow sorrel]

I love how she never gives up

[empty jetty]

i wish i had her will lmao

[empty halo]

is there some thread that summarises this entire mhj vs employee case

[subtle matrix]

Separate cases innit

One doesn't excuse the other

[cinder narwhal]

whataboutisms

[empty halo]

idk a lot about this case, nor am I a mhj hater. however regardless of what hybe did, what mhj is accused of IS harassment. whether the accusations are true or not we dont know

hybe has been involved in harassment. if what mhj is being accused of is true, so is she. 2 things can be true at once

also unpopular opinion i guess while i understand why these allegations may seem sketchy considering they came up in the middle of her battle w hybe, why do people here presume her innocence?

if there's a boss and an employee accuses them of covering up sexual harassment, idk I'm more inclined to believe the latter....

[subtle matrix]

Not feeling like getting banned today

You guys have fun though

[subtle matrix]

She wasn't

There were 3 complaints by employee B:

• Sexual harassment by VP
• Failure to do an impartial investigation by MHJ
• Workplace harassment by MHJ

First was not granted, second was partially granted, third was granted

[waxen musk]

So this is what happened after all. https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1979200154952700156

I'm dying of laughter. So, basically, MHJ filed an objection against the administrative decision regarding the "workplace harassment" complaint that female employee B had lodged with the Labor Department, and as a result, the court partially accepted and partially dismissed it. Then, MHJ wasn't satisfied with the court either and continued to challenge the court's decision, ultimately bringing the case into a formal trial now.

10Asia sure knows how to spin a good story. MHJ must be so pissed off that he's cursing again. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Comes from a MHJ interview about this: https://n.news.naver.com/article/001/0015685123?sid=102

Regarding the court's decision, former CEO Min told Yonhap News that day, "The court judged that some of the fines imposed by the Ministry of Employment and Labor were incorrect and reduced the fines," and that "we have effectively won a partial victory." She added that she would file an objection, saying, "We believe that some of the contents accepted by the court also have errors in legal principles and factual judgment, and we will re-examine them in a formal trial."

[empty halo]

are all complaints and cases filed made public?

could it not be possible that she did file for a complaint against executive A but it was either

1. not made public
2. not picked up by the media since it doesnt involve a famous person like mhj
   it would also make sense for it to not be made public considering the fact that the lawsuit against executive A would be for sexual harassment, not for covering up sexual harrasment

I dont think jumping to conclusions about an employee alledging sexual harassment of all things is appropriate, at all. tokkis should leave this one case alone imo

[heady gate]

Social media's main purpose is to spread information, not facts.

[frozen granite]

Is this supposed to be good or bad? What throws me off is the “mhj must be so pissed off that he’s cursing again”

[short laurel]

exactly. if they gonna fine mhj cuz of her minor wrong. hybe should be fined for their massive wrong.

[short laurel]

that was rejected. MHJ was declared innocent on that case by ministry of labors.

[empty halo]

wasnt it a partial win? and if that's the case why is she being fined

[short laurel]

partial won cuz mhj told executive A to fight employee B while investigation was going on or something. that broke some law i not remember which article it's above in some twter post if u scroll some, impartial investigation one. but SH itself was rejected. there was no SH.

though even hybe dismissed the SH case. maybe hybe didn't want that story to change, since hybe seems to have connecting in ministry of labors. as they too could get in trouble if SH did happen.

[cerulean lake]

why is it always a cycle of good and bad 🫩

[short laurel]

so it was good news for mhj but tenasia twisted the facts.

[empty jetty]

I still wonder how many are they paying the media because the media play has been INSANE since ever

[clear hill]

Was the employee who was pressured who recently died(rip://) involved w the mhj vs employee b thing?

Or was that an employee involved w the security footage for the ignore her situation?

[short laurel]

the one who was over worked? that was at bighit.

[empty halo]

could you share an article/tweet/thread that mentioned the SH case was dismissed?

[clear hill]

Ohhh nvm. I read it wrong

[short laurel]

it was really long ago. hard to find. but i remember it saying it was dismissed. maybe it's on greatgaram twt page.

[empty halo]

every article involving this case centres min heejin, i cant find much info on her SH case itself

hybe's internal investigation didnt take it that srsly but I can't find info on the external investigation

[clear hill]

But wow that’s so sad. Also I saw armies (the minority who aren’t against newjeans) say how bts were mistreated under bighit during their early years. And with the recent ish news of another idol from a Hybe label speaking up about being hit (i don’t remember but it was an idol from a bg) this just looks really bad

[short laurel]

i really think that hybe would be questioned about their investigation if ministry thought SH happened.

[short laurel]

that hit one turns out to be hit jokinly. light tap. though there was a case long ago in their early days of bts member getting hit by staff but that staff was dismissed after fandom outrage.

[empty halo]

could not confirm

interesting use of words

[short laurel]

ooh could not confirm.

[empty halo]

its from @thegreatgaram on twitter. states quite clearly that min hee jin did not do a cover up, but uses vague words for the SH. hence its not fair to say it DID NOT happen

[clear hill]

How do you know it was in a joking manner?

[short laurel]

well it is hard to confirm. since the SH was verbal. and VP made excuse. but we not really hear much about future news. and i m pretty sure hybe would use any lose to VP case assuming if there is a case against him to make MHJ sound bad in media. either that case still going on or there's no case on it.

[short laurel]

that's what fandom say and there's pics of them being friendly. and the video of that didn't really seem like she really hit him. anyways it's not njz related

[empty halo]

sexual harrasment

[clear hill]

Oh nvm LMAO oops 💀

[clear hill]

Yea it’s not njz related but I only brought it up bc there’s clearly workplace problems from employees and idols alike in Hybe

[short laurel]

if there is a case and still on going, then yea SH could've happened. but if there's no case on it then it would be weird cuz no way employee B won't file a case if SH did happen.

[short laurel]

yea but that particular hit case was nothing burger.

[short laurel]

so yea i guess we don't know so i shouldn't assume that SH didn't happen. but we also shouldn't assume that it did happen.

[empty halo]

it depends on when this case happened. if this case happened before 2024, and before hybe had beef w mhj, why would they fire him for sh? they dont care enough. who knows maybe he left the company?? we dont even know his name just an initial to hide his identity

[short laurel]

he wasn't fired ? where's u heard of him being fired? until early this year we even assumed him to be hybe's snake.

[empty halo]

also, since the sh claims were NOT confirmed by the court if hybe had fired him, he could put them in legal trouble for firing him for no real confirmed reason

[empty halo]

i feel like theres a misunderstanding here 😭
im saying we dont know anything about this guy, if he's still in hybe, etc

[empty jetty]

This depends on working laws of the country, no?

Some countries do not care for the reason of the firing

[empty halo]

yeah maybe

[short laurel]

u bring up him being fired out of no where. we would've known if he was fired when the news of it was spreading last year.

[empty halo]

regardless we should refrain from discrediting someone who's making allegations of SH

[empty halo]

I misread your message and thought you were talking about hybe willing to "lose" (fire) him

[short laurel]

we also shouldn't assume if it happened.

[empty jetty]

I think that’s a very delicate topic and we don’t really know the full story or smt close to it

[empty halo]

im more inclined to believe victims personally

[short laurel]

yea

[clear hill]

Knowing the workplace culture in South Korea, I doubt that any victim would fabricate a sexual allegation. Esp against a VP.

[empty halo]

its somewhat similar to how we're all more inclined to believe the girls. the employee is obviously at a disadvantaged position in society as someone accusing a person more powerful than them of harassment, they wouldnt allege something like this and go to court for "fun"

[short laurel]

usually i would but the way she was going so hard on MHJ and the way MHJ going so had against her. and how she was deleting all comments that would sound against her on her IG. this point specially. there's many fake SH cases too afterall

she even blocked greatgaram.

[empty halo]

first off we only know about how hard she was going after mhj bc mhj is a public figure, and B going against her would make the news. we dont know what she said about the VP. secondly, if comments on her ig and twitter accounts were discrediting her story which would obviously be of great trauma to her, shes gonna block them?? 😭

[clear hill]

I’ve never heard of a fake sexual harassment case 😭that’s kind of ignorant to say tbh

[short laurel]

the comments were not discrediting her just pointing out the holes she had on her story.

[empty halo]

what do you expect her to do? become a keyboard warrior and battle them with paragraphs?

[short laurel]

there's many. especially here.

[empty jetty]

I’ve heard about those types but most of the cases I’ve heard are real

[short laurel]

just ignore them?

[clear hill]

Regardless, investigating whether a SH case is real or not is kind of weird. Just focus on the real issue and that’s employee b against mhj.

[empty halo]

let's assume her allegations are real. you want her to "just ignore" people calling her trauma fake? its her account she has every right to block them so they dont appear in front of her?

[short laurel]

pointing out holes in her sotry is not equal to callign her sotry fake.

[clear hill]

Where is here? SK?? Because if it’s SK then you’ve genuinely got to be joking 💀💀💀

[short laurel]

india. and just cuz u not hear abotu it doesn't mean it doesn't happen there either. i m not saying that all are fake. most are real. but there's also some fake cases.

it's a sesitive topic, we can't really say it happened or not but we also shouldn't just assume that men is always the one wrong. even if the fake cases are low, doesn't mean there's no possibility of it. either one could be bad or innocent.

[short laurel]

there's even fake cases on it in USA btw.

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-side-eyeing-side-eye-dog-cringe-gif-14653496860358305350

[clear hill]

No offence but Indian women face so much issues in India because of men. Even Indian women tell women from other countries not to travel to India because of this issue. This is really really ignorant to say. To say that there’s a lot of “fake cases of SH” and then you bring up India is just...weird.

[empty halo]

I think yall should stop talking about it or take it to #general-chat

[empty jetty]

That got a bit personal I think yeah this should be taken to #off-topic or just go past it

[short laurel]

just cuz u not hear about it doesn't mean it doesn't happen alot in other countries. USA is just as much worse. india just got bad reputation, and is targetted.

[empty halo]

several people are typing
its so over

[subtle matrix]

Hey NJZ discord server hows it goin?

[clear hill]

And honestly correlating it back to Newjeans and MHJ, this is the exact logic used by Hybe to discredit and downplay mhj. Misogyny is rooted heavily in the kpop industry esp the newjeans situation.

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/danielle-new-jeans-new-jeans-danielle-bombastic-side-eye-side-eye-gif-27670771

[empty halo]

found a way to connect it to the purpose of the chat

[clear hill]

https://tenor.com/view/haerin-dittoshooter-kpop-side-eye-sideeye-gif-6601148262926968744

[empty jetty]

The country is very misogynistic in general

[subtle matrix]

Top 3 NJZ performances go

[clear hill]

Yeah bc why are we losing the point of this topic 😭 it’s about njz and mhj why are we emphasizing so much on fake sexual allegations !!!

[short laurel]

except this is not misogyny. and u are not listening to my point. there;s a possibility that emp B is right but we don;t know. we shouldn't assume that men is in wrong 100% of time just cuz women says so. even though there's higher chance of women being victim, it's not 100%.

[empty halo]

(korean)
attention we should pay
to what is coming through
i had no idea
its crystal clear
love is here
standing next to you
(japanese)
golden moon
diamond stars
in a moment we unite

[clear hill]

2024 sbs, 2024 kgma, 2023 billboard awards

[clear hill]

https://tenor.com/view/kang-haerin-haerin-haerin-sideye-haerin-side-eye-newjeans-gif-3317350459638935649

[subtle matrix]

No golden disc wow casual

[empty jetty]

Breathe, before I speak
Eyes on me

[empty halo]

what r ur favourite dance breaks

1. super shy tma dance break
2. attention opening mama (i think?) dance break
3. the supernatural dance break

[empty halo]

(personal faves)

[clear hill]

The supernatural dance breaks and the intro to the billboard performance is just chefs kiss I’m sorry it’s so goated

[subtle matrix]

I hate dance breaks in every song for every artist

[empty halo]

?

[empty jetty]

Dance breaks are cool af

[clear hill]

SUPER SHY TMA DANCE BREAK😩😩😩

[pseudo heath]

why

[empty halo]

the dance was great but I also loved how it sounded i need a studio version w it

[subtle matrix]

idk I think it makes me quirky

[pseudo heath]

• surely this an #newjeans-chat conversation

[empty jetty]

Kpop dances are pretty cool imo

[short laurel]

seriously SMH.

[empty halo]

a lot of them feel like a collection of poses sometimes

especially when it's not in the chorus 😭

[empty jetty]

A lot of groups have lazy choreos

[empty halo]

well its probably to support them in singing, its fine if they arent doing backflips in the choreo. just do something interesting ykwim?

[raven kelp]

D-12 alreadyyy

[empty halo]

daily prayer circle
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[cerulean lake]

lollapalooza, 2024 sbs, and either tma or melon

i actually like melons setup but the backtrack was so loud. it was like that for literally all the performances that night

[waxen musk]

What counts as a performance? Does Bunnies Camp Tokyo Dome count?

[empty jetty]

Thanks for making the slowmode 10s I love you all staff

Edit it’s on 15 still sadge

That post confused me a bit

[native anchor]

cant relate

[fathom onyx]

✅

[pseudo heath]

Same

[fathom onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-thinks-he-is-on-the-team-gif-734468567113922582

[native anchor]

liar

[wise basin]

Chat im lowkey anxious
I don’t trust the system

[rare dune]

me too

[wise basin]

😞

[waxen musk]

Yeah we're doomed.

Have hope and be positive.

[rare dune]

[frozen granite]

Do you guys think blackq will work with njz too?

I see he is working with meovv now

[waxen musk]

Is there anything stopping him?

[frozen granite]

Idk

I guess I’m not sure if he’s exclusively working with meovv now or has a contract with them only now

[waxen musk]

Just a quick Google says:

K-pop choreographers can have exclusive contracts with entertainment agencies, but it is also common for them to work on a project-by-project basis with contracts that transfer choreography rights to the company. While a choreographer can be signed to a company, such as the case with Leejung Lee and THEBLACKLABEL, the common practice for much of the industry is to rely on external choreographers who sign service agreements that often include a clause where the agency gains ownership of the choreography.

[frozen granite]

Ah ok

sigh guess I am equally nervous

[waxen musk]

Nervous about this topic or just in general?

How anxious I feel about this whole situation comes in waves. I worry about the girls a lot. But then people see them just living their lives and it helps.

[frozen granite]

In general, I am nervous about multiple outcomes. I am nervous about the members deciding not to come back to the industry, although if that’s their plan then that’s ok, it would just hurt.

[waxen musk]

Fuck the industry.

I really wonder how much has changed in their minds over these past months. I'm sure they have strong opinions.

[empty jetty]

Im very optimistic about them winning but im scared about what hybe is going to do after they win

[frozen granite]

Yeah, I wonder if they’ll end up deciding not to come back

[cinder narwhal]

the former is the exception to the rule

[waxen musk]

Well if they win, I don't think they'll consider that.

[rare dune]

if they win

[waxen musk]

Yep, the latter is "common practice".

[frozen granite]

Someone said if they lose, what are the options? I know we have talked about this multiple times, I, like others, need some tokkium

[clear hill]

Maybe it’s not so much whether they’ll win or lose but moreso how much they have to compromise with hybedor

If their contract termination is deemed invalid then they’ll have go to back to ador or pay fines. But considering that they’d rather pay the fines then maybe the judge would weigh this in and the verdict would result in them going back under their conditions

[cinder narwhal]

• court orders them to pay an astronomical amount, they refuse, hiatus continues
• they pay out and they continue activities
• they compromise with ador long term (shared profit?) and continue activities

just spitballing idk

[clear hill]

But this is all hypothetical and at the end of the day our guesses don’t mean much. We just have to trust time for now

[frozen granite]

I guess they don’t sound so bad, except the first & them leaving the industry

[empty jetty]

Hiatus

[waxen musk]

It's never been about the money. It's about them being able to be primarily happy and creatively fulfilled. The money matters when it restricts their creative freedom. There are a lot of options where companies help them pay whatever theoretical astronomical amount but then demand control. Lets say they can be creatively free but at the expense of give 95% of everything they make to Hybe, would they even entertain that idea, considering "it's never been about the money"?

I still wonder about how invested they were in MHJ's plan for NewJeans and if they even want to work as NJZ if it means something completely different from that (for example if MHJ isn't involved).

I just want them to do whatever they want. Basically.

[empty jetty]

Ngl I wish they came to a western label but I can’t blame them loving Korea, I’ll just respect what they choose to do after the veredict

[rare dune]

it’ll be disappointing if they end up leaving the industry but it’s their life and i respect their choices fully. i’ll be a bunny forever either way

[red thorn]

There's scenario that even they're willing to pay for termination in case the result of the verdict: contract still valid, doesn't mean ador willing to terminate or let them go
I'm just gonna assume the judge think this through too and settled it once for all, so no more circle back

[waxen musk]

Every time we discuss what could happen if they lose, it gets a bit depressing.
I believe there will still be options, even if we're struggling to think of many.
Stop assuming it's over even after a loss this time.
Let's hope for a win anyway.

[empty jetty]

I rather discuss what’s next after the win and get my hopes super high than just hear about the possibility of losing

[red thorn]

Hoping for a win is a given
But prepare for anything tbh

[waxen musk]

I'm completely accepting of whatever the girls decide to do next. I don't think there's much more preparing I can do myself. Just having to endure my own insanity is the hard part.

[cerulean lake]

yup i think the injunction lowkey brought down our hopes

[loud rock]

if its tbl theres going to be teddy

• tarrzzan

im praying triangle enm

[empty halo]

im hoping for a new company. its honestly not very uncommon, many big idols like wendy joined new labels after leaving their old companies

gives them more control over their own activities

[cinder narwhal]

yeah

[short laurel]

wendy ❤️

[polar owl]

Hard to understand why some people still believe Hybe has all the good intentions for NJ - they are doing this out of hate / jealousy or lack of knowledge, not sure.

The pig has never praised the girls or even posted about them once since their debut, while shamelessly promoting his others groups. His 'face blindness' excuse probably extends to social media as well

Whatever - ever since NJ went quiet, my K-pop interest just dropped off. I don’t even feel like I’m missing anything now - been vibing with Japanese shoegaze instead 😉

Do wake me up when October ends

[short laurel]

cuz they are not artists fans but BSH fans. i've noticed this among army, many who are against njz and mhj seem to be always in drama from within fandom itself whenever another army is hating on bsh. and most of those army who hate bsh are not interested in njz drama so we don't c them much.
and well most hating are bots anyways. and loud minorities.
ofc there hybe stans who support artists and still against njz, those ones really are shameless hypocrites who ignore companies cruelty.
and those hybe groups stans who only see news and say njz and mhj wrong but not dwell into it much.

[still badge]

Did someone say Japanese shoegaze

[polar owl]

Yes, true. Loud minorities, they are. Waiting for 30th, whatever it is. Hope, it gives us some closure (of course with new uncertainties 😅). This chapter has been stressful for everyone.

[polar owl]

Yes. 😂 Shoegaze is the perfect fallback to go through this pain but not get crushed by it.

[clear hill]

Me on October 30th

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-count-dracula-bela-lugosi-dracula-coffin-gif-18791544

[vale grove]

12ish days left

We got this guys please keep your heads up!!! Fighting!!!!

[raven kelp]

11

[vale grove]

Still the same principle, we got this,

[radiant parrot]

🙏

[steep torrent]

yo same wth lol. let me recc, listen to wallow by forsaken autumn.

deep in the japanese shoegaze hole, wondering how newjeans take on it would sound...

[waxen musk]

Really nice short summary: https://x.com/luenacore/status/1979623078310371424?s=46

[frozen bronze]

any recommendations (in dm maybe)

[harsh dove]

@luenacore <t:1760813896:d>

I genuinely feel that most people are unaware of the workplace harassment in question, or even of the alleged s*xual harassment stated by Employee B. Everyone seems to be cherry-picking details to support their preexisting narratives.

How does the blame shift from the VP to MHJ once the case has been dismissed by HYBE HR? MHJ herself was upset when employee B was asked to meet a client late at night and explicitly stated that she did not want such situations to recur. If my CEO stood up for me soon after the incident occured, personally, they will be the last person i'll blame in this situation.

MHJ expressed her frustration and anger only upon learning the outcome of the investigation, hardly surprising, given that such serious allegations should never be made lightly.

[waxen musk]

Helped me finally get a solid grasp on the situation.

Useful to know this too: https://x.com/luenacore/status/1979627275357446540?s=46

[harsh dove]

@luenacore <t:1760814896:d>

By the way, the reporter in 10Asia who consistently writes about the members of NewJeans was caught by the Press Arbitration Commission last year for false reports and was required to issue a correction.

But yes of course, 10Asia is definitely a reliable and accurate source that informs the public of the entire truth.

[clear hill]

I recently got into the snsd and idk if it’s just me but I see a lot of parallels with sica and newjeans :((

Also In a 2024 interview she said her favourite new kpop group was newjeans!! We love to see it

[red thorn]

What are those 2 out of four disputed claims again

[waxen musk]

I haven't actually seen what those were specifically.

[heady gate]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1979549111050547511

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o)

Article

October 17 2025

Court Partially Overturns Labor Office's Ruling on Min Hee-jin's 'Workplace Harassment'

-Two out of four cases recognized by the Labor Office were misjudged

-Min Hee-jin's side cites "errors in legal interpretation," formal trial expected

Link👇

X · Oct 18, 2025, 2:04 PM

[empty jetty]

Call me crazy but weren’t all post archived?

Also ignore that I added to cf, that’s me being silly

[waxen musk]

It's been like that for months.

[empty jetty]

I need to check that out more often then

[waxen musk]

It's hard to remember perfectly but I think there was a point where they had already removed all of the Posts and would only post Stories. Then after that there are these lives that happened and they just left them up. This was before the injunction penalties were implemented. But even after those were implemented there were some additional Stories posted. Not many at all though. And of course after that there's been silence.

My memory isn't perfect so please correct me if any of this is a wrong.

[empty jetty]

I have all of that distorted too, time has been passing quite fast since complexcon

[waxen musk]

Those few Stories and the actual details of the injunction penalties not applying to just basic social media posts is why I have always thought it is technically allowed for the girls to be active on social media but there are countless other obvious reasons why it is best not to do so during this hiatus and I would also advise them not to. You've seen how often stupid people will say they've broken the injunction for simply talking to fans or running and having someone else post that to social media. There are reasons to be paranoid and anxious about all of this and therefore play it extremely safe, but I hope that disappears completely in a couple of weeks.

[frozen granite]

11 more days …

[waxen musk]

I've even seen people I trust for updates (@djzippy2020 on TikTok for example) say things like with Minji's recent sighting at a theme park that she couldn't give an autograph because of the injunction. I don't think that's true. I think there are other perfectly fine reasons to not give an autograph in that situation. (Also didn't Haerin give one anyway?) Either way this whole injunction penalties thing has caused some major confusion over what is and isn't allowed. So I respect the girls for not even testing it, but hope it's not out of fear.

11 more days indeed!
Gotta pray at 11:11 (AM and PM) with 11 days left.

Gotta do it in all time zones, too!

[frozen granite]

I’m still confused about the mhj’s issue. I keep hearing she lost, but others are saying she didn’t?

[heady gate]

#1231839760759263232 message

[waxen musk]

Even the stuff above that which I posted does a great job explaining the full situation in a very concise way.

But yeah she absolutely hasn't lost yet because it's not over and it was a partial win in some ways.

[empty halo]

daily prayer circle
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[wise basin]

NJZ will win, claim it

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1979581703665631518

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o)

In South Korea, making a false accusation of sexual harassment is treated as a criminal offense under the charge of false reporting and the penalties can be severe:

…Individuals convicted of false accusations may face up to 10 years in prison or a fine of up to 15 million KRW

X · Oct 18, 2025, 4:13 PM

[short laurel]

It's such a hard thing. False sh should be punished but sh itself is sometimes hard to prove especially when ppl of power are the perpetrator who will twist the court n putting punishment on false sh charges makes victim scared to come out.

[fluid ravine]

11 days left

[frozen granite]

It feels so long I’ve been feeling extra anxious & sad today

[wise basin]

Chat do we think the girls are gonna be at the verdict?

dying to see them together again

[empty jetty]

i hope so

[polar owl]

I have low trust for Korean courts, and their sensitivity to rights of artists.

I hope the judge proves me wrong, and makes a landmark judgement. The industry fears that if Newjeans win, it will set a precedent for others to not to silently endure their high-handedness.

[polar owl]

It will be "Newgaze" 😉

[wise basin]

Last week we were riding high on good vibes
but now as the days get closer anxiety’s creeping in for everyone myself included

[heady gate]

Many photographers will be there on Oct 30. I hope the girls stay home. The reporters and photographers would be pissed. 😅

[wise basin]

I completely agree with you

[polar owl]

I have become more religious as the days come closer. If my prayers work, I will never call myself an atheist again.

[empty halo]

its 50-50, there's a chance the verdict won't be in their favour. i doubt they'd like to be seen if that is the case and they do lose 😭

and be photographed by the media

hybecels literally started claiming minji was crying before the first mediation session bc of a photo that made her eyes look glossy. people are annoying

[heady gate]

agree. That is why I would like the girls stay at home on Oct 30.

[polar owl]

I don't know - given how brave they are and will be - some of them may actually be present.

But, I agree, staying home is the best. Win or lose, the mediaplay will be huge.

[wise basin]

maybe it’s really for the best they don’t show up

[short laurel]

https://x.com/eeugeo/status/1979158950047076512?t=-X14AtgFBrNQ-ReShbCFgA&s=19
Where was this from? I not remember this wording. Unless it's edited it should've been big proof for njz.

🛸 (@eeugeo)

just another scheme in HYBE’s plan

X · Oct 17, 2025, 12:13 PM

[grizzled summit]

No Im pretty sure I saw an article covering this

He also said we managed to discipline new jeans or smth

[short laurel]

I remember the discipline part but not damaging n eliminating part.

If it's real, n i know court said parent companies comments not enough for termination. The fact that ador chooses to not say anything to the parent company on this should've been proof enough.

This past year I've heard about smaller groups winning termination over company suing fans, staff member change, inappropriate action towards idols.
Njz suffered all of this but the court said it's not enough. Why is the standards so high for njz.

[honest sky]

11 more days

[clear hill]

Rule of thumb is if you hear it from a Hybe Stan/army/the 3 fandoms then it’s disinformation

[clear hill]

Honestly the whole thing with employee b is making me really disappointed in tokkis. I don’t know why were focusing on the allegation being false instead of employee b reporting mhj when the sh allegation was dismissed.

[waxen musk]

10

[coarse fossil]

days

[hollow sorrel]

the way the verdict is already on a computer somewhere in korea right now...

[coarse fossil]

now that you put it that way...

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[subtle matrix]

Aren't both sides still submitting documents and stuff

[raven kelp]

don't stress me out like that bro

[hollow sorrel]

well I guess the documents they are submitting arent really something that completely changes the outcome 10 days prior its more just small details to clarify events

[stuck roost]

ok guys whats worse case scenario and what happens after that

actually lets just do a vc therapy circle if they lose

[waxen musk]

Not again. Go read our previous yap sessions.

I believe we will know through the court case updates on the court website when there is a cut off date for new submissions. I haven’t heard anything yet.

[wise basin]

We’re officially in countdown mode 😭😭😭

[short laurel]

If only there's a massive leak from hybe that proves that hybe ador really wants to harm njz.
So big that the judge have no choice but to reject any political manipulation from hybe side.

[wise basin]

anyone knows what time the trial will start? Just trying to figure out the time difference

[waxen musk]

09:50 KST. By the way if you’re trying to find out the time difference and you’re in Europe, the difference might change in a week.

If you’re not in Europe that’s useless information for you.

[native anchor]

when the trial starts it will be like 1 am

[waxen musk]

00:50 here in the UK on the 30th.

[pseudo heath]

oh

damn

[waxen musk]

Oh what?

[pseudo heath]

I dont like staying up late, but if its for newjeans I will

[wise basin]

It'll be 2am for me 😭

[empty halo]

if oct 30 doesnt go well I will be

1. deleting twitter
2. banning all kpop subreddits from appearing on my reddit feed
3. block and click on "not interested" on all kpop related accounts and posts

[waxen musk]

4. Can’t say what else I will do publicly on Discord

[empty halo]

I do NOT want to hear any opinions from any kpop stans who dont like njz just SHUT.

UP.

[waxen musk]

The annoying thing is I’ll want to know what happens next so it’s a bit hard to avoid everything.

[empty halo]

that sucks for you man bc if the courts ruling isnt good news im throwing in the towel and giving up on all this legal jargon. ill just sit and wait for the comeback in peace

keeping up w the news is so frustrating (njz and non njz related lol)
people who just dont keep up w anything are always so happy

[wise basin]

I’ll be crying my heart out and mentally not okay

[empty halo]

that's so valid but remember a loss isnt the end ❤️

theyve probably got a very experienced legal team backing them and theyll navigate their way out of this eventually

(by @fawnsonfilm on twt)

[waxen musk]

If NewJeans were only would be boring, and this about happiness, they would be a boring story.

[empty halo]

[native anchor]

that does not make cents

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-haerin-newjeans-cat-newjeans-kang-haerin-newjeans-danielle-newjeans-cat-haerin-gif-27662069

[clear hill]

Ditto and omg having a deeper meaning

[empty halo]

i lowk never understood the meaning behind omg
"he's the one whose living in my system baby"
what system what r u talking about

[frozen granite]

The mind? Brain?

As in “I can’t stop thinking of him”

[waxen musk]

I forgot how they explained what chemical hype boy means.

[empty halo]

oh

[wise basin]

Idk why but I can’t help but feel the girls must be closer now than ever

[frozen granite]

Wym

[wise basin]

Idk after everything they’ve been through

[clear hill]

I hope that despite all of this they never lose the bond they have with each other

[frozen granite]

I think they made their bond stronger, I wonder if they are having second thoughts re: their return to the industry… I don’t think I’ll be into kpop if they decide to leave

[cerulean lake]

idk just them agreeing w/ each other and all standing down towards hybe (despite knowing how much power they have) shows me that their bond is pretty close

[cinder narwhal]

the negative energy in this chat

[frozen granite]

Can you blame us? We are traumatized

[cinder narwhal]

lol

[rare dune]

what time would the trial be beginning

bro i’m actually trembling in my boots the antis words are getting to me i am not antifragile

[polar owl]

Call me pessimistic, but the chances of NewJeans winning outright are minimal.

Nothing we have not already discussed, but I see this play-out:

1. Court upholds the validity of the contract.

2. Both sides are urged to rebuild trust through confidence-building steps.

3. ADOR/HYBE publicly embrace the verdict, promise to support NewJeans, but quietly plan strategic stagnation.

4. NewJeans refuse to cooperate, aware that staying means creative and personal dead-end.

5. HYBE avoids further litigation; focusses on other groups; members focus on personal or educational pursuits.

6. Eventually, an undisclosed settlement enables a quiet, out-of-court exit.

7. Later, the members re-emerge under a new group identity.

But we lost many more years

[hushed whale]

[rugged dagger]

10 more days

https://tenor.com/view/haerin-haerin-rock-haerin-newjeans-newjeans-new-jeans-gif-14487041115499321698

[frozen granite]

I know I an running on low spirits, but I do not see this happening even in the most remote chances

[polar owl]

Hmm. Hope not.

[rare dune]

i expect the worst to not get dissapointed i say as i gaslight myself

[empty halo]

sounds realistic up till 4. the girls' legal team and ador would probably start negotiating a termination if they lose imo. stagnation doesnt benefit ador or njz, it's useless for both sides. yes, hybe did want to put them in a "long hiatus" but that probably didnt mean 0 activities, it just meant no comeback or tours. if the members wont even go to events as brand ambassadors, whats the point of keeping them and wasting money to run ador

i think they'd let the girls go, with a ridiculously high termination fee, not free of cost

[cerulean lake]

idk if they would let them go easily tho if they fought all this way to claim the girls as “theirs” if that makes sense

even if yea, it really doesn’t benefit them financially if the girls don’t cooperate. however, it probably benefits them in the public sphere of things as it shows that the rights of nwjns are rightfully under them

what i’ve gotten out of hybe so far is that they are super petty and they will do things out of ego even if it doesn’t benefit them financially.

and sometimes, we might think what they’re doing is stupid but those executives can be sly individuals unfortunately 🫩

[frozen granite]

Good news

[rare dune]

what time does trial start

[empty halo]

completely agree but what they're framing this pettiness as is "they didnt pay the termination fee so we have every right to go after them". if the girls lose and are willing to pay the termination fee to leave, what sort of excuse can they really use?

also if the girls are willing to pay the termination fee and leave the company in whatever way ador wants them to, can ador say no? im not sure

there must be SOME way out 😭

[mild mist]

Bang sihyuk's? Not set yet

[cerulean lake]

yeah i mean i hope there is a way out but im also worried for the outcome of that.

even if they lose and are able to pay the fees to get out, i fear the worst of the hybe stans and mediaplay is gonna unleash. i just really hope the court verdict is not completely on hybe’s side. we’ve been through too much since march 😭🫩

[hollow sorrel]

kpop fans on tiktok are something else…

[empty halo]

yeah valid 💔

daily prayer circle
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[pseudo heath]

🫩🫩

[polar owl]

We celebrate 'Diwali' today by lighting candles.

Will be lighting each🕯️🕯️🕯️ with 🙏 for MHDHH.

End of the day, whatever the outcome is, MHDHH needs to feel vindicated and supported. If any of them starts feeling this was a mistake, we all lose, and Hybe wins. Given how they have stood up together, I feel confident that they are more united than ever.

[waxen musk]

We're all going crazy in here. I know I've been contributing to it too. But any assumptions are just due to overthinking. Remember what we know. Remember what the girls last said. Focus on that.

[polar owl]

What did they say? Help me remember.

[grizzled summit]

Happy Diwali 🎉 I wish the girls will win this case

[tired cairn]

Does this look right for the start of the trial (ash)?
<t:1761785400:f> which is <t:1761785400:R>

[cinder narwhal]

oh wow it either makes or breaks my day

[waxen musk]

9

[fathom onyx]

maybe the ComplexCon speech?

[waxen musk]

What I meant was trust the girls to continue fighting and stick together. I know it's easy to imagine things changing for them since they last publicly spoke, but that's all it is: imagination.

[waxen musk]

I think so.

Barely related to NJZ but since we like speculating about BANA's involvement with NJZ, it's just interesting to see that they announced today that Krystal's album is releasing on Friday. I'll be very curious to see the credits on that album.

[hollow sorrel]

I wonder how much Min Heejin’s non compete clause prevents her from working on other stuff.

She can not work for other companies but she could still creatively direct projects no? I wonder if she worked on Krystal’s album considering they are close.

[cerulean lake]

bro only reads the headline from kpopchartmaster and then claims that he’s updated with the case

[short laurel]

Like all of hybe stans

[rugged dagger]

found the post and im reading the comments. pisses me off 😭

[vapid turret]

Hey Bunnies what did I miss?

[short laurel]

Nothing much. Bsh under investigation n mhj partially won on her case with labour ministry over employee b thing.
N heavy media attack with twisted or half missing context news.

[vapid turret]

Okay what's happening on the 30th BTW?

[short laurel]

Verdict on njz vs ador case

[vapid turret]

I thought it was a comeback announcement or something

[clear hill]

Dont believe lies spread by bunnies. There’s no comeback date since the girls don’t want to go back to ador even if the contract can’t be terminated.

[short laurel]

people are saying that cuz girls will be free to post whatever after that day if they win.

[clear hill]

Idky people are spreading so much misinformation. Ofc as bunnies we just want newjeans back but ppl r just believing lies like a broken game of telephone.

[vapid turret]

i hate misinformation

[clear hill]

Same. There’s so much misinformation spread by bunnies as well. Being part of this fandom makes me ashamed sometimes

[waxen musk]

Remember how misinformed people were when NJZ was happening (when things were good). Fake accounts don't help either.

[short laurel]

they just acting like regular kpop fandom. sadly..

[clear hill]

There’s also the bunnies that don’t care about newjeans’ wellbeing and just want them to make music and go back to ador. Makes me sick

[vapid turret]

I wish I could redacted to prevent ban just so the girls could still sing and be happy at the same time.

[short laurel]

hack hybe servers and somehow prove that ador is indeed puppet of hybe, then ceo statement about damaging newjeans will be enough for termination.

[vapid turret]

nah my plan was a bit more illegal

But you get the idea a lot of people need a snap out of it slap in the face figure of speech

[rugged dagger]

[vapid turret]

Still I think K-pop stars and everyone involved deserves a union or something like it

[rugged dagger]

absolutely

[vapid turret]

Yeah k-pop stars deserve what Huntrix got in k-pop demon hunters, proper sleep, plenty of food and self care days, and a good manager like Bobby.

[short laurel]

they need it very badly.

[vapid turret]

All k-pop stars do TBH.

If all K-pop stars were able to relax a bit more and we didn't have fandom wars many of them would be working together and be friends.

And yet many of them are friends IRL already.

[short laurel]

companies create fanwars btw.

[vapid turret]

Figures damn you capitalism.

[waxen musk]

When are K-pop stans boycotting Twitter?
I've been into following video games media and criticsm for most of my life and that entire industry basically moved away from Twitter.
Every time I use Twitter it is a negative experience. EVERY. TIME.
I WISH I could keep up to date with NJZ in literally any other effective way.

[empty halo]

you cant be as bitter, rude, misogynistic, racist and cruel on platforms like youtube or bluesky as you can be on twitter. if kpop stans move to other platforms, theyll receive backlash there.

[waxen musk]

I hate how everything is purposefully designed to be miserable. But it's extremely effective.

[vapid turret]

rightfully so

[hollow sorrel]

this isnt really true

elon musk bought twitter and made that whole blue checkmark thing so people get paid for interactions

obviously hate gets much more interactions but now EVERYONE is ragebaiting and just being negative on twitter even ppl without blue checkmarks so its def much worse on there

[empty halo]

if you must use twitter to keep up w njz, i recommend muting words, more specifically names of the fandoms (and the grps they stan) which hate on njz often. you'll see less of them being mentioned

[vapid turret]

I don't use twitter anymore

[empty halo]

thats..... what I said..... people on twitter are extremely bitter, negative and rude ofc people on other platforms can be too but it occurs more often on twitter

[empty halo]

yeah I was saying it to ashbash who does

[hollow sorrel]

HELP I misunderstood it omg I thought you said its the same TT sorry

[empty halo]

its okay lmfaojd

[waxen musk]

To be honest, trying to keep informed in general in this world typically brings misery. At least these days.

It's nice to have this fantasy world where you can focus on things to look forward to and get excited by little daily updates like we used to with NewJeans. It's not the real world but it was a nice time.

[clear hill]

Did that a looong time ago and never looked back. Twitter is a cesspool of people deep in their parasocial relationships and I want no parts in that lol

[waxen musk]

I came back to Twitter in 2024 because of NewJeans lol. Before 2024 I purposefully avoided.

[empty jetty]

Same

[clear hill]

It honestly depends the environment you surround yourself in and the algorithm you’ve set up. Thankfully I’m not completely doom and gloom when it comes to being informed and up to date but I know how hard it can be when people can be so hateful.

[empty jetty]

That’s not the case 100%, I get American politics for some reason and I don’t care that much about that country politics that much

And I have blacklisted a lot of words that are related to politics and I still get it

[clear hill]

That’s because American politics has been memeified so often that the algorithm will push out American politics regardless

[waxen musk]

Twitter exclusively pushes the worst shit to me and I don't comment or post on there. Every single other social media platform for me doesn't push anything that makes me miserable because I have purposefully made it that way. Twitter ignores my preferences and shows me shit I wish I didn't see constantly.

Anyway if NJZ is back I can certainly chill with needing to keep up to date on legal stuff etc. So I hope I can peel myself away from that crap.

[clear hill]

Completely unrelated to newjeans and the last thing I’ll say about this but the alt right pipeline seeps into every crevice of your life, esp on social media even if it’s totally unrelated. And at the end of the day everything is political, it’s not something we can just ignore

[waxen musk]

It's always my choice in the end. I'm just making bad decisions.

Music, movies, video games have always been political. Especially music and movies. People like to pretend video games haven't always been political even when they clearly have been. I think a lot of K-pop stans like to live in this pretend non-political fantasy world because a lot of the music really doesn't have anything interesting to say. I do think that tends to bring in a certain type of audience with a lot of media illiteracy, or just younger people in general without a lot of political knowledge. I really wonder if NJZ's music will dip into things that are a lot more personal for them and their experiences, or if that will be something someone like Hanni does for her solo music one day. Pop music is weird though because it tries to be extremely relatable to as many people as possible. Typical teen romantic interest is something we've all been through or are going through, so I get it if they want to stick to that, it's what pop is mostly.

Of course outside of the music itself the industry is as political as you can get. Which is ironic.

[short laurel]

thing about twitter or any social media is if u accidentally look up few bad post, u start getting so many bad post. u have to clean it up again. that's why stay away from for you tab and only c following tab.

[wise basin]

Oct 29

[waxen musk]

Do you think they'll upload a Bunnies Day video on the 29th or a regular weekly upload on the 30th?

I just checked the schedule and they are still doing videos every Thursday.

[wise basin]

On the 30th obvi
like nothing is happening 😭

[raven kelp]

only 9 days left!!!!

[cerulean lake]

atp i just auto ignore those types of posts. i only look at positive ones or edits

he def just the type to write whatever others post on the internet bc he made a post on how njz was returning when mhj was found not guilty

[clear hill]

Real

[rugged dagger]

sad to see how badly we've lost the information war. fandom has a massive section of people who don't know anything and, intentionally or not, continue to spread the lies

[cerulean lake]

i gotta admit that twt can sometimes be funny. i feel like the humor there is different than other platforms and i personally enjoy it BUT the people there can def be super nasty.

idk i feel like all of social media is getting worser. like reddit and yt are getting there 👀. they just like to mask their hatred with paragraphs to make them sound smart while people on twt just straight up sound dumb 😭

[clear hill]

Yea trust me ik😭I commented something n this person said how newjeans just needs to swallow their pride and go back to ador .... sigh

[cerulean lake]

yup unfortunately a certain large fandom was quite pissed off and the hybe mediaplay unfortunately works.

idk a lot of misinfo and their mediaplay wasn’t getting well responded to (esp in SK) during 2024 but ofc, it went downhill after march

[cerulean lake]

did u get ratioed or no 😭

it determines if u were in enemy territory

[clear hill]

Omg the other day this one ytber who updates on the situation w pro hybe biased said something for the first time positive about hanni 😭

[clear hill]

Fck no my og comment ratioed that mf thankfully 💀

[cerulean lake]

really? 😭 i avoided njz related content on yt bc it’s all trash and biased but that’s interesting 🧐 who are they and what did they say

[clear hill]

I didn’t watch it bc I get ragebaited easily by anti njz stuff 💀

[cerulean lake]

😭 how did u even know they said smth positive them

[heady gate]

It looks like my blood pressure. 💀

[cinder narwhal]

yeah like the low effort bday videos

[frozen granite]

205 hours left

[warm hollow]

will all the members attend this time or only 2 of them?

[heady gate]

They didn't attend last time. I hope they stay home on Oct 30. Many reporters and photographers will be there.

[rare dune]

it’s gonna be a lot

[warm hollow]

yeah i hope they don’t too

[heady gate]

They could interview with CNN after October 30. I'm okay with it.

[warm hollow]

to be honest i’d hope they’ll take interviews whenever they feel ready and don’t feel pressured to

it’s fine if it takes time but they come first, as always

[mint elm]

whats happening

chat r we good?

[hoary frost]

[frozen granite]

NewJeans won & we are getting a new album & a worldwide tour !

& then I woke up

[heady gate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231839760759263232/1405190973729804489/80x80.gif

[frozen granite]

If there is a win (even a partial win) @heady gate will give everyone a nitro

[hushed whale]

thank you mcrich

[dusky tendon]

@cerulean wigeon i love u

@turbid hawk i love u

trial 30 octubre 8pm vzl 9pm arg

[stuck roost]

if newjeans win i will write a fanfic of the mods on this server❤️‍🩹 (yes WE all want ts)

[honest sky]

Mods do u know about this

[fathom canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/fresh-prince-we-will-smith-theres-no-we-shocked-gif-17214689

[empty halo]

totally agreed, twitter can be funny unfortunately 😭

[stuck roost]

ts fuckass judge betta do what i want or else😡😡😡😡

[honest sky]

Or else…

[raven kelp]

or else memories will write a fanfic about the judge too

[rare dune]

💀💀💀

[wicked timber]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-angry-cat-angry-gif-1827994887323155782

or else

[frigid oyster]

literally my birthday is in the 30th of october

we ALL hate hybe like damn those bums trying to mock newjeans and they DARE said hanni lied bro 😔

its so fucking obvious that THEY are the one who caused all the problems like damn

[stuck roost]

October 30 will dictate my mood for the entire decade

[empty halo]

kpop is deteriorating

only the njz album can save us

[honest sky]

I think we might deteriorate too if @stuck roost doesnt get their way

[empty halo]

doesnt they their way

[honest sky]

oh

[frigid oyster]

i swear yeah

[wise basin]

https://tenor.com/view/hanni-newjeans-new-jeans-stantwitter-stan-twitter-gif-17950886064186075262

[gleaming scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/mojunebug-newjeans-dani-danielle-haerin-gif-12270102673062816104

[polar owl]

Any signs on how the girls are holding up? Any sound-bytes recently?

[cinder narwhal]

no

nothing that deep from recent interactions, sightings

[frozen granite]

9 more days

[empty halo]

daily prayer circle

🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[fathom onyx]

wow, thank you McRich

[cinder narwhal]

kakao founder was acquitted of stock manipulation. Hopefully the result will be different for bang

[empty halo]

kakao is more powerful than hybe no?

kakaos power isnt just limited to the entertainment industry, so im assuming theyre more willing to let the founder go

i dont think theyll let bongo go

yeah hes powerful but i dont think hes THAT powerful

[red thorn]

If this bang have same result then this all just performative procedure manuver from current political regime

[empty halo]

have there been any powerful men who actually went to jail for financial fraud in sk and wasnt let go early

[copper jetty]

that's why i don't celebrate yet until he is indicted. We still don't know if all the things the korean government is doing is just lip service or are they hell bent on really changing the stock industry

[empty halo]

honestly lets just be happy hes suffering through the mental stress and fear of possibly being jailed right now

[native anchor]

yes

they basically have a monopoly on communication over in sk

its one of the chaebols i think like samsung

[empty halo]

yes it is one of the chaebols

[short laurel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1980560486770102714 more details on it. (Link changed)

1tokki (@juantokki)

[Byun Hee-jae Column] “SM Stock Manipulation” Case: Kim Beom-su Acquitted in First Trial — Court Says “Investigation Distorted the Truth” (Comprehensive Report)
https://t.co/MuAOpmrfOS
Reporters: Park Soo-hyun, Lee Yul-lip

Kakao founder and management reform chairman Kim

X · Oct 21, 2025, 9:03 AM

Nvm. Article doesn't mention njz, 1tokki made it about njz...

[red thorn]

He did mention it, the news not directly nj related

[short laurel]

he put alot of his take on that one that i misstook as part of the article.

[frozen granite]

Wait idk if it’s bc of my ADHD, but how is this relevant ? I don’t get it

[short laurel]

read my next msg. the reason i posted it. so i changed the article. it's not related.

[wise basin]

8 dayssssssssssssssssssssss lets gooooooooooooooo

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-right-now-newjeans-kpop-newjeans-dance-newjeans-music-newjeans-performance-gif-7202564942405905238

[stuck roost]

b-bang pd… this isnt you…🥺

[frozen granite]

I think it’s safe to say or discard the possibility that the girls will go back to hybe. I genuinely don’t see that happening at all

[copper jetty]

Jumpscare..

[stuck roost]

i got a midterm on the 29th💀💔

could deadass shape up to be the worst week of my life if things dont go as planned

[frozen granite]

I swear to god I need them to win

[raven kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/blackbeard-blackbeard-writing-taking-notes-writing-gif-17583038544116987898

[hoary frost]

[frozen granite]

Guys a fellow tokki said that chances of ador winning is bigger (approx. 65% - 70% than the girls? Does that sound accurate ?

[empty jetty]

No

[bronze talon]

its about 0% (i have no idea)

[frozen granite]

Ngl I prefer a partial win over ador winning completely

[heady gate]

I will let u know on Oct 30.

[frozen granite]

Today is oct 30🕯️

[raven kelp]

67% chance for the girls to win

[wise basin]

no cause I saw the future judge was like “W for NewJeans” on livestream

[rugged dagger]

I'm suing if you're wrong

[cerulean lake]

same. can’t trust these gov organizations. they just say they’ll punish them hard for public appeal, but then once it comes to actually punishing them, they back off. unfortunately, the gov is corrupt as well and i’ll only be happy if there is any actual indictment on bsh

[wise basin]

Good luck then 😎

[cerulean lake]

if they win (or even partially win), i will be in a good mood and go trick or treating even at my grown ahh age 🙏🙏

[frozen granite]

They told me they gathered the statists from ChatGPT … 😩

[upbeat stream]

Hi

What's going on?
I took a long break

Seems like things were very quiet huh

[waxen musk]

MHJ had some stuff going on last Friday but we've already moved on from that, we'll learn more later.

[heady gate]

MHJ is going to busy in Nov.

[empty jetty]

You were missed

[craggy skiff]

I would say the chance is 50 50, win or lose

[stuck roost]

yall acting like i would let them lose smh🤦‍♂️

[pulsar wasp]

Will never get over this loss

[frigid oyster]

i got a midterm in the 28th, 29th AND the 30th(also my bday 😭)

[stuck roost]

mf has a boss rush😭

[frigid oyster]

bro my teacher banned 67 because she thought it was another way of saying sybau 😭 (sau bay in vietnamese)

[mint elm]

chat

[frozen granite]

Wut

[mint elm]

r we good or r the girls not free?

[hoary frost]

schedule

oh its here hehe~ wanted to know the timing

[rare dune]

we are all staying up and waiting (itll be 5 pm for me)

[hoary frost]

its 4:50am for me 😭

[rare dune]

good luck jei

[hoary frost]

i think gonna take that day off or wfh hmm

[rare dune]

waking up to good news trust

[tall dew]

[normal trench]

if they win, we should make it a world wide holiday

[rare dune]

national fuck h*be day

[waxen musk]

How many other groups have gone through so much legal stuff and ended up sticking together

I feel like NJZ is an exception

[rare dune]

https://tenor.com/view/gulp-cat-gif-27257259

we will make history bunnies

[waxen musk]

7.5 days left

[rare dune]

lock in and do not look at twitter

[waxen musk]

(until midnight on the 30th in Korea)

[rare dune]

[dense bramble]

hi camping tokki

[stuck roost]

day of reckoning🥹

[stuck roost]

BECAUSE YOU CAN’T DIM WHAT WAS BORN TO SHINE🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️💯💯💯💯

[tall dew]

[cerulean lake]

can u ensure ur powers can save them

[cerulean lake]

not to mention it seems like the judge is unnecessarily extra strict and harsh w/ njz’s case 🙄

[empty halo]

the statements he's made so far aren't very...... comforting

I know they're not supposed to be, he's the judge afterall but idk

this image is very funny to me bc it pulls from multiple different groups, films and photoshoots across decades ranging to Mexico to Japan to Korea. however, the hybe group accused of copying have only 1 source - NewJeans.

OBVIOUSLY if you're gonna go across pop culture through multiple decades AND countries you can find similarity in clothing and poses?? 😭
however if similarity in dancing, clothing and music are all from ONE SINGLE place that's obviously suspicious

[frozen granite]

Who is ‘he’ ?

[stuck roost]

lowkey maybe they can im hella nervous😭✌️

[rare dune]

me too

[short laurel]

Some of these brought to kpop by mhj herself in her sm days btw 😂

How belift accidentally said ador mhj copied sm mhj is funny.

[empty halo]

the judge. i remember him saying something along the lines of "breakdown of trust is subjective and vague"

which is true

but it isnt very njz-positive i guess

[frozen granite]

Tbh I’ll be happy if it’s a partial win for both parties rather than ador completely winning. I guess my uncertainty lies if ador wins, obviously newjeans won’t go back so I wonder what would be the next step ..

[empty halo]

Id be happy w a partial win too tbh

is that possible though? the contract is either valid or invalid. whats the midway there?

[frozen granite]

Well the girls made it very clear they won’t go back no matter what. I’m sure the judge is keeping that in mind … it would be pointless to grant ador a complete win knowing the girls won’t go back

[raven kelp]

you should've played cookie for her

[empty halo]

I can see that but also this dispute isn't over whether they're going back or not, its about whether the contract is valid or not

in the judge's mind if

1. the contract is valid
2. the girls won't go back
   he's probably gonna ask them to pay a reasonable "termination fee" as ador wants and make them leave

if the contract is invalid there's no point in a termination fee

[rare dune]

i’m so nervous

[frozen granite]

Lowkey I rather this happen over an indefinite hiatus or them being shelved by ador

[empty halo]

ofc i mean its clear they're never going back

[empty halo]

the only downside to this is that even the reasonable amount could be VERY high and also knetizens would criticize the girls

bc knets go with whatever the court says, they dont enjoy critical thinking it seems

[frozen granite]

At this point who cares about what people say, this is their lives

[empty halo]

yes I doubt most of the casual listeners would care and will continue streaming

[frozen granite]

Hoping for a complete NJZ win, but if I’m being real I don’t think that’s a high probability … so I am good with a partial win where the girls are free & able to come back

[polar owl]

This lawsuit is about the contract being valid or not. The judgement typically won't extend beyond that. The next steps will either be agreed out of court between the parties or further lawsuits will have to be filed.

[frozen granite]

I really hope there are no more lawsuits after next week 🫩

[empty halo]

they're not going back even if they lose so they'll probably just try to terminate however ador wants them to, they could also appeal the decision

which would..... extend the lawsuit......

[frozen granite]

If it was up to ador it would be until the contract is over which is 2029 … hoping it’s not until then …

[polar owl]

If the girls don't return even if fraudor wins (girls not returning is almost a certainty), Ador will file for contract termination with penalty terms.

[frozen granite]

I fear that if there are more lawsuits it could extend until the year their contract is over which it would be pointless to just keep fighting

[frozen granite]

What if ador just doesnt care about them coming back & decides to keep them shelved?

[polar owl]

That's also a possibility - they can always blame the girls for not cooperating. That can be another legal battle

[empty halo]

and ador would single handedly decide a penalty fee?

bc obviously if they do it'll be RIDICULOUSLY high

[polar owl]

No, courts will arbitrate

[frozen granite]

This is one of my biggest fears tbh second to njz deciding to wait until 2029 or leaving the industry altogether

[heady gate]

I am ok waiting until 2029