NJZ Updates and Discussion

[pulsar wasp]

not defending US system.

[native anchor]

that is still the same

never said u did

[pulsar wasp]

Asia system is superior. Best for data collection and sorting. Largest to smallest

[native anchor]

dont think theres a huge difference between that one and the european

anyway this is not njz related

[pulsar wasp]

[short laurel]

East asia. Not all asia. Rest use eu style dmy or use both dmy n ymd.

[grizzled summit]

No Asian system is
Day month year
30/10/2025

[sudden tangle]

not everywhere korea etc is year month date

[coarse fossil]

dmy got to be the best one

[sudden tangle]

i feel like it makes most sense but i’m also biased since i grew up w it

[cinder narwhal]

i wonder what the members use

[coarse fossil]

most probably the korean one

[sudden tangle]

yeah unless hanni & dani are too used to aus but probably korean

[mild mist]

anyone who uses a date/time format other than ISO 8601 clearly hasn't spent enough time knee-deep in databases and therefore I cannot trust them

[cinder narwhal]

hell yeah

[marsh roost]

yyyy-mm-dd is the only way

though personally I like to use the first three letters of the month to avoid any possible ambiguity

[short laurel]

Problem with korean one is the missing saperator. Yyyy-mm-dd is easier to read than yyyymmdd.

[feral tapir]

dd/mm/yyyy superior

[short laurel]

Wild are canada, ghana n kenya. They accept all 3 formats. 💀

[native anchor]

this is not njz related

[wise basin]

Is September like 90 days long or what ?

Feels like it's never ending
I swear Aug wasn't like that

[cinder narwhal]

why'd you think they made a song about waking up when it ends

[pseudo heath]

next thing u know october 1st - october 29th will feel like a year

[fathom onyx]

true lol

[waxen musk]

I've been counting down each full week and then I'm also thinking like it's only a few days until the next Thursday which will be 4 weeks and then that's less than a month and it'll go quicker.
I sound crazy.

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1971883462882930903?t=gHpA_Bcs_S58EvD7UlsWfA&s=33

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

there's a pattern of twitter tokkis getting suspended.
seems like hybe is really after accounts that are known to be sharing details about court hearings, providing legal comparisons and opinions on similar cases and ofc are known to be supporters of mhj and not just newjeans.

X · Sep 27, 2025, 10:23 AM

It seems that another tokki account has been suspended, daepunimarchive which i think is more of a mhj supporter than njz.

[waxen musk]

Evil bastards. I wonder if anything will actually come from this or if it's just being used as scare tactics, to silence us. Cos it won't work1

[copper jetty]

I think kbunnies should still be careful though... it looks like if they can and if the tokki is Korean, then Hybe's most likely action is to sue.

If not then it's suspension... I wonder though if they're utilizing tag PR accounts to suspend tokki accounts.

I'm not versed on X but couldn't we use this then to identify tag PR accounts?

[native anchor]

ive got 2 weeks of holidays in october

so time will prob fly for me

[waxen musk]

Take me with you.

Have K-Bunnies been sued before for what they say on Twitter? I can't remember apart from one example where the new Ador CEO tried and failed.

[pseudo heath]

same but

even then it will feel long

[copper jetty]

They tried with the ibelieveinbot account cause they thought it was Korean remember...

[waxen musk]

Yeah that was only last week. I was just wondering about other examples and can't remember any.

[copper jetty]

I don't think there's any but we'll see if there's gonna be more in the next coming week. I'm thinking they might be trying to eliminate accounts that could possibly post what would happen in the next hearings... we'll see.

[waxen musk]

The stupid thing is they could have done this way before any of the K-Bunnies attended the hearings and were the only ones reporting on what was actually going on. Now they're doing it now and we're almost a month away from basically the only thing that matters. I don't even see the point, waste of time and money to even attempt what they're doing.

All we have is MHJ vs Employee B which who cares, it doesn't affect anything for NewJeans. And then the final result.

I don't see them stopping their evil tactics even after NJZ win. But at that point there will be a lot more important things to focus on.

Too much to wonder about for after 30th October. Could yap a lot. But people would end up saying "one step at a time".

[short laurel]

Unless korean accounts directly insults bsh or hybe or it's staff or hybe artists. They shouldn't be able to do anything

Even if they do sue them. Should be rejected by authorities

[empty jetty]

This felt personal

[tawdry vessel]

how do i even function on oct 30th i feel like vomiting just thinking about it

[fathom onyx]

😭

[subtle matrix]

Look at it this way

Even if NJZ lose
Even if they can't make music and do what they love until the contract runs out in 2029 (unlikely)
They're still gonna have a better life than like 99% of the world

Yes it sucks for them but let's be real they're still gonna be young, rich and have hella connections

[empty jetty]

That’s a nice way to see it however consider that being NewJeans is what they’ve dreamed of

They will win, so dw about losing :)

[subtle matrix]

And how many had the same dream and didn't even debut? How many invested their youth for nothing? Newjeans will be a legendary group while kpop exists, they lived their dream regardless of what happens

[tawdry vessel]

[subtle matrix]

Gotta put it in perspective

[empty jetty]

I just think we have to think about winning stuff , I’m very emotional so I don’t like thinking about the worst outcome

[subtle matrix]

It's normal to worry about it and hope for the best. But don't let it affect you that much because all things considered they are still incredibly fortunate

Even if they have to wait until 2029 to resume activities (again, unlikely) the oldest member will be 25. For reference that's the same age Sakura was and 1 year younger than Yujin was when LSF and kep1er debuted, respectively

So even in the worst case scenario there is no reason they can't pursue their passion in the future

[waxen musk]

Everyone just assumes they’ll pay to break the contract if they lose.

[cinder narwhal]

*x https://x.com/eeugeo/status/1971987184434495997 -c

[harsh dove]

@eeugeo <t:1758993357:d>

🧸💌 250321
[…] Honestly, I’ve had so many thoughts running through my mind because I wanted to hold on strong… but things aren’t the same as before, so I can only imagine how hard it must have been for you all. And I worry that you might still be struggling now… I just want to hug each and every one of you and give you comfort, but all I can do is express it through words, and I’m really sorry for that! ㅠㅠ

You’ve always stayed by our side and supported us endlessly… you’ve been through so much!!ㅠ Thanks to you, the five of us have been stronger, are strong now, and will continue to be strong!! This isn’t the end yet!! […]

After all, we are people who have come together through music!! Let’s think of this as returning to where we started, spend this time without regrets, and enjoy it to the fullest!!!

Our Bunnies!! You are truly amazing and so incredibly precious to the five of us!!

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1972316904284160064

Lee Hye-woon. This Chosun reporter, just so everyone’s clear, is one of HYBE’s media mouthpieces. They’ve run reverse-viral pieces and smear campaigns against our girls and Daepyonim.

They’ve always been firmly on HYBE’s side… so what’s going on now? It’s not like the landscape has suddenly become that polarized. What does this shift really mean? Is HYBE slowly losing its grip on media support? Or are these rotten journalists just being as two-faced as they’ve always been? Maybe the checks aren’t clearing anymore. What do you think?

Even though defamation laws in Korea tend to punish people regardless of the truth, it seems this reporter thinks MHJ will likely not be found guilty for defaming Source or Belift.

In other news, seems like 250 and FRNK are out there DJing and Krystal is releasing new music soon under BANA. Makes me wonder if MHJ has been working with all three of them recently.

No indication of course, MHJ could have no involvement. Just wondering out loud.

I still don’t have the best understanding of how BANA operates and if they might have worked or will work with NJZ.

[short laurel]

BANA is independent entity. Mhj not part of it. They were just working together with og ador on newjeans

[hushed whale]

ye, they dont work with any other idol groups. 250 recently produced fujii kaze new album
i thought 250 and FRNK probably had a few songs that rejected by nj/didnt suit nj and would give them to other groups but that hasnt happened yet

[waxen musk]

FRNK worked with Bibi a few times too. It seems like 250 and FRNK have done more work away from BANA than BANA has output anything in general. That’s why I’m always so confused about how they operate. Cos now it’s Krystal with BANA and obviously she has relationship with MHJ but MHJ might not even be involved with her stuff.

[short laurel]

Yea very low chance she is

[hushed whale]

krystal signed with bana for a while now, maybe with njz on hiatus theyre finally finishing krystal's album lol

[red thorn]

They're beat maker rather than conventional songwriter/composer
I'm thinking if there was rejection probably the beat/loops not good enough, not a matter suit or not
If there's enough good beats they would do workshop, hired or invite the artists/songwriters collaboration to write the songs based on their beats/loops music as basis

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1972299361519546574?t=_2-vG7IDv_NvpvEtuFtneg&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki)

Bang Si-hyuk vs. Min Hee-jin’s Final Showdown… The Full Story Behind the Shaking BTS Empire
https://t.co/B8cqiXL80i
[Money Channel Preview]
Reporter Lee Hye-woon

A 26 billion KRW put option lawsuit between HYBE and former ADOR CEO Min Hee-jin, a contract dispute between girl

X · Sep 28, 2025, 1:56 PM

Lmao. The comment section is so funny

I wonder what keyword trigger this type of bot.
Not only bsh name, they mention his name many time before

[red thorn]

AI-bot, AI image and probably AI article too

[storm warren]

i dont think frnk has ever worked with yves. you probably mean Bibi

[waxen musk]

Yeah sorry.

[empty jetty]

A month and a few days away before this channel gets flooded

[pseudo heath]

I was here

[rare dune]

remember me

[empty jetty]

I need to apologize to ashbash b4 the thing happens

[opaque flicker]

a month and a few days away before this thread gets closed forever

[empty jetty]

Can I be on the credits?

[opaque flicker]

if u buy me nitro for 1 year

[empty jetty]

Hater

[native anchor]

🥹 🎉

[opaque flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/me-and-bro-celebrating-best-friends-squid-game-2-my-guy-gif-8389215730122450876

[empty jetty]

You should keep it open until we know what will happen with the songs rights tho…

[opaque flicker]

no, im closing it and all the channels on the 30th

[empty jetty]

YESSSSS LETS GO

[opaque flicker]

will request a server deletion too

[native anchor]

🥹

[rare dune]

sell us

[native anchor]

🤑

[fathom onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/house-explosion-explode-boom-kaboom-gif-19506150

[analog depot]

FREEDOM ALAS

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-nwjns-danielle-funny-dancing-gif-26477394

I can’t believe it’s nearly been a year since this all begun that’s just so crazy to me

[native anchor]

✅

[fathom onyx]

true

[empty jetty]

it has been more

[wise basin]

Inshallah njz will be back 🙏🏻

[stable sparrow]

I just want this to be over and done with

[waxen musk]

It'll never be over

[short laurel]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1972544436501639252?t=FOligtaJ-pEbr7GS99aNNg&s=19
Wonder what article it is from.

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

shoutout to KMCA, we know this is you. 😒

X · Sep 29, 2025, 6:10 AM

[empty jetty]

rumors say that hybe america is also on the bsh case, anyone that can confirm this?

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1972529477273170143

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

imagine surrendering your phone to the national tax service only for them to confirm their suspicions on your involvement for stock fraud but as luck would have it, it also unlocked suspicions for offshore tax evasion.. who knew that phone was the gift that keeps on giving ❤︎

X · Sep 29, 2025, 5:10 AM

disclaimer: i didnt fact check this just shared it after seeing it. lmao though

[mild mist]

I didn't realise that bang sihyuk had branched out into international financial crimes now #PavedTheWay

[empty jetty]

I wonder if there’s even more stuff

[hollow sorrel]

he has been indicted

[tawdry vessel]

is this recent?

where's the source

[hollow sorrel]

https://t.co/W8EzFpXQpA

[tawdry vessel]

my translation says accused

[mild mist]

'혐의로' is the word you want

(I don't have a Korean dictionary to check)

[old cypress]

oof they're going so hard on him

hope he won't force his groups to vouch for him

[coarse fossil]

are the odds of mhdhh winning looking good

i just need some kind of probability estimate so i can mentally prepare myself

[old cypress]

all people can give are false estimates

[waxen musk]

It would look very good for them if not for Korea judges being untrustworthy and influenced by outside parties. It very much may have been the case for the judge that issued the injunction, considering the connections to Hybe's lawyer team. But if I were to judge based on what I know, not being a lawyer, it really does look more positive for the girls than it does for Hybe. But I couldn't give a percentage estimate on a win. It's so hard to say.

Just prepare for both outcomes lol.

Is anyone here actually not thinking things are on the girls' side (assuming the impossible that the judges are not able to be influenced at all)?

[coarse fossil]

thats a big shame but im glad they chose to fight for themselves

[coarse fossil]

i'll have to get 3 boxes of tissues if thats the case

[waxen musk]

I'm more glad they're not at Hybe than I'm upset that they're not making music.

[coarse fossil]

THIS

[waxen musk]

1 MONTH LEFT

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/hahagatung/status/1972669735830724854

할말 (@hahagatung)

장서연 변호사님 : 사실 판례들이 많은데요. 매니지먼트라는 것이 누가 하느냐가 굉장히 중요하기 때문에 예를 들면 그 사람을 보고 그 매니저를 보고 이제 들어왔는데 그 매니저가 퇴사를 했다. 그래서 신뢰 관계가 깨졌다고 보고 해지한 사례도 있고요. 연예인...

X · Sep 29, 2025, 2:28 PM

I think he's a lawyer (I might be wrong)

he wrote an article of the NewJeans case back in April and he talked about it a bit more today in his video

[heady gate]

I used to read lawyer comments. I stopped after NJ's injunction in March.

[waxen musk]

Well the problem is, I think people should have expected the injunction to go favourably for the girls, it made total sense. And we're making the same "mistake" now with the main lawsuit.
Can someone remind what exactly the injunction judge's relationship to Kim & Chang was? I saw it mentioned again recently but it was a shame to be reminded that it could very well be the reason why things didn't go as expected. And it's frustrating that it can only be said to be speculation, too.
I don't think we've got enough information on the main lawsuit judge to judge (heh) how they are, but the tiny scraps we've heard about how they're handling this case at least gives me hope that things should go a lot more how you would expect, rather than this surprise opposite interpretation of literally every single point raised during the legal process that just is incompatible with my understanding and seems "wrong".

[empty jetty]

Iirc their son was on the Hybe firm

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1972680572788252996
Rough English Transcript

Worth a read. It's still crazy how much control the companies have over the entire rights of these idols lives. I keep forgetting that idols can be shelved, not be paid, and not allowed to earn income from other jobs just to be able to live, as long as the company says so. Madness.
Makes me wonder what NJZ's contracts would be like. Hopefully extremely flexible. It's nice to know the girls still very much desire to work in this industry despite all of this, but as long as it wasn't like before. They must demand a very flexible contract.

[hot girder]

when are the next important dates for the girls?

[empty jetty]

30th of October

It’s the most important date

[hot girder]

thank you! what's happening on the 30th btw

[waxen musk]

The court decides if the girls' contracts with their old company Ador are valid or not. Basically finally finding out if they're legally free or not. It's the most important date for a reason.

[empty jetty]

Since u have been the most informed person here I hope you are prepared for the day

[hot girder]

thank you! ah... I hope the girls finally get rid of that contract

[waxen musk]

I try to stay informed but my uncertain understanding of everything mixed with poor memory make me say otherwise.
I don't think anyone can be prepared for 30 October, mentally.

[mild mist]

true dat

[empty jetty]

Just prepare for a hyper slow mode

[craggy skiff]

I cannot image what if they continue work under hybe and start to follow hybe style song.
At least it wont happen

[hot girder]

they said they don't want to come back no matter what so

[native anchor]

🎉

[hot girder]

regardless of the results that day, I trust the girls will stay far away from hybe. man this cooldown is so long

[fathom onyx]

wow

[empty jetty]

Literally 1984

[empty halo]

if they win what are the chances of them at least getting their accounts back? like Spotify etc, or is it more likely that they'll have to create new accounts to release music?

they must have millions of followers on the NewJeans Spotify acc, getting it would be so beneficial for streams

[waxen musk]

Well that would come under the rights for their name, which is a separate legal battle not started yet, and would only start after they win and desire to go down that path.
So no, they won't have any of their old accounts.

They are starting from 0 followers, basically. But you saw how quickly their IG grew earlier in the year.

[hollow sorrel]

there is some extremely small chance they could get the trademarks if they win the lawsuit but it's very very unlikely

[craggy skiff]

I remmember then. Lol
At this time every post I could see said we have very high chance to win the injunction. We will win bla bla
Until last day, i saw a ktokki post that they worry about judge relationship.
Then boom!!!
Absolute trauma result.
This time I set a low expectation when the girl gonna leave at any cost.
Just hope we could get a lowest cost

[empty halo]

yes, its not that big of a problem, they'll still have pull. but again those old accounts have a very high follower count

[empty jetty]

I kinda wish they would attempt to get their songs back but if they don’t do it I respect it, they must be tired of all of this

[waxen musk]

They said they'll fight for their name.

[empty halo]

I wish they could get the name NewJeans back above all else

the accounts are still a secondary concern, but having their authentic name back feels important 💔

[empty jetty]

My goats

[empty halo]

njz isnt bad tbh, pretty good but NewJeans is special 💔

[pseudo heath]

Assuming they come back id want them to get their songs back mostly

[fathom onyx]

💪

[empty jetty]

I feel like the music is more important than the name, it would at least guarantee not starting from scratch

[empty halo]

im glad they still get paid for streams

[pseudo heath]

but just coming back is enough for me cause it means more music

[hollow sorrel]

the switchups that will happen on october 30th if they win... its going to be ridiculous

[empty halo]

yeah the music is pretty important, but the name newjeans is recognised by the general public ykwim? its what people know them as

so if the song has the name of the artist listed as NEWJEANS thats gonna have an impact on whether or not a lot of people will stream etc etc. i know a lot of people irl who didn't even know they rebranded as NJZ 😭

[waxen musk]

As important as it is, the fact is they kind of have to temporarily abandon all of that and focus on new stuff for however long that takes (years?).
But at the same time, if they plan on returning to their old name and music after a long time (years?), they don't want to half-ass their dedication to their new name only to abandon it later.
It's a tricky situation.

[hollow sorrel]

yeahh but they also didn't release any music as NJZ or pretty much anything

I'm pretty sure they had like 2 articles where they said they are rebranding to "NJZ" + social media

if they actually released music videos and more press releases a lot of other people would have found out, but they were banned by the injunction

[empty jetty]

It’s going to be tough and it will take a lot of time, this is why it’s important to support now more than ever

[empty halo]

I was thinking about that too, they'll go by NJZ for a while but if they hypothetically win their name back they'd have to go BACK to NewJeans 😭
so it'll go
NewJeans ➡️ NJZ ➡️ mhdhh ➡️ NJZ ➡️ NewJeans
it'll feel inconsistent basically

[empty halo]

yeah thats true

a name change also does signify a new beginning

[hollow sorrel]

also NJZ and NewJeans are not all that different so I doubt it will take people a lot of thinking to realize it's them (because some people might be confused or whatever)

[fathom onyx]

NewJeanz

[waxen musk]

I think them winning would make so much noise that whatever they're called, as long as people know about it in general, they'll have a head start. They're not starting from zero, even if they technically are in many aspects.

[fathom onyx]

true
their comeback gonna be huge

[waxen musk]

I think a lot of people's mild worries come from NewJeans being such a success with the general public, that people might know their songs without knowing who they are. Also recapturing the same success and virality as before just as "naturally" as they always have seems so difficult and impossible to replicate. If it was easy, others would have done so.
In the past I couldn't help but fear that even if none of this happened and they were still NewJeans, that eventually they'll "fall off", but it never happened (or they never got the chance to). But I have faith in their team to produce stuff that I still will really like (Pit Stop, Hold It Down, "NJ1 Demo" prove it to me).

[fathom onyx]

real af

[hollow sorrel]

I saw their producers 250 and FRNK had a DJ event together I want to listen to it somewhere because they are basically the engineers of the NewJeans sound and I wonder what kind of things they will do for the next era

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/yuijeans/status/1972711830020821292

I feel deeply disheartened, because I had hoped all fandoms would recognize the flaws in the idol industry and stand together for fairer treatment of idols. The imbalance of power is painfully clear. Labels have held the advantage for far too long. NJ’s case is a rare chance to demand change, yet instead of support, they are met with hostility simply for resisting the system. And still, I see complaints asking why such injustices persist, when the answer is plain: they endure because too few are willing to stand up for the cause. What saddens me most is how suffering itself is sometimes treated as a badge of pride, rather than a call to end it. It is not a badge of anything. At this point, I only see Tokkis who sincerely want the old order overturned. I believe NJ stepped forward, boldly trying to cut ties with that company, because they trust we have their backs. And I promisem, we do. If it comes down to it, it’s BNZ and NJ against the world. Perhaps it was a selfish yet optimistic hope of mine that as admirers of the arts, the majority, regardless of their affiliation, would fight for stronger artists’ rights. But this is reality, and I'm truly disappointed.

Kind of wanted to say something similar to this earlier wrt the contract talk and idols rights talk.
It's frustrating how few people are fighting to change the K-pop industry for the better. Even from inside, (I don't blame them) but basically all idols kind of just accept this as they way it is.
It's the fans that don't demand change that upsets me the most though.
I hope NJZ winning can open people's eyes but I'm so pessimistic.

[subtle matrix]

afaik recently it was made much easier for artists to keep the name so depending on how it goes they might be able to work as newjeans relatively quickly

[subtle matrix]

Hate to be that guy again but the vast majority of fans, in every fanbase, recognise the flaws in the industry and want better treatment for all idols. Saying NJZ are met with hostility for simply resisting the system is disingenuous. They are met with hostility because, to be completely honest, they are perceived by a lot of people to be petulant divas who weren't happy with being the biggest (active) kpop group in the world and will stop at nothing to get what they want, including throwing their fellow artists under the bus. They're not seen as revolutionaries, they're seen as class traitors.

Now obviously bunnies can think that this is an unfair assessment (and I agree) however by simply framing this as "NJZ are going against the system and everyone hates them for it because they don't care about the treatment of idols" they are completely sidestepping the reality of how the case is perceived by some of the people outside the community and not doing anything to convince them that NJZ are actually fighting for a noble cause

[waxen musk]

Yeah I understand and agree. People against NJZ's fight for freedom really see it differently than the reality. In reality they're just trying to protect themselves first (escaping a company that is actively sabotaging them for reasons that people find hard to believe), not to fight for some noble cause.

[empty jetty]

Brainwashed ppl mainly(I hate hybe)

[waxen musk]

If people just truly understood how Hybe was behaving towards NJZ the entity (not even the members), they would start to wonder why, because it makes no sense to sabotage something so successful from a business perspective. Instead they just don't see it happening, for various reasons (believing the lies being a major one).

I really can't stand how much focus was put on Hanni's "ignore her" incident. It's just not really what the whole situation is about.

It's more of a side effect of the main issue.

[empty jetty]

I feel like a lot of fans are just miserable too

Like they just want something to hate on and look for every single reason

Obviously it’s not a majority but I do really feel like they exist

[waxen musk]

Anyway as for other fans and other groups, I said they don't demand change, but that's because I don't really see it a lot, only when things get disgustingly bad. But fans are always out there claiming mistreatment over mundane things like line distribution or other stuff too. So maybe I shouldn't have said that.

It's hard to say how much NJZ winning would actually matter in all of this bigger talk.

[empty jetty]

I’ve seen that fandom clan mistreatment when they had a period of a few months with no cbs
I wish they were joking but they were dead serious

Ppl will mostly claim mistreatment when it’s on their side but will ignore if a bigger issue is on any other side

[waxen musk]

I mean it happened with Tokkis too last year. People were not happy with how the whole announcement and rollout of the new music happened as it was happening.
It's funny looking back now, the Tokki infighting seems so desirable in comparison.

Gosh I can't imagine how different everyone's opinions on NJZ's battle would be if they really were put on that planned hiatus while they found a new producer. I think people would be more mad about that than they are now. People just don't understand properly. It's frustrating.

[empty jetty]

I joined the fandom around the release of supernatural so I missed out on that, but looking at it…yeah, I would rather complain about that right now

[waxen musk]

Anyway I can't wait to not care about everything else and be overwhelmed daily by just NJZ related updates. It used to be that way. Even you had half a year of it being like that.

ONE MONTH LEFT

[tall dew]

[empty jetty]

I can’t wait to see another live, waiting for next month to see NewJeans are free

[old cypress]

You got it wrong, you're confusing cause and effect. Hybe stans are painting NJZ as divas because they were hostile towards NJZ, not the other way around. The actual reason for their hostility is them not wanting their bias group being impacted negatively. In their minds, hybe being "proven" evil will lead to a negative public opinion towards hybe groups which ultimately impact their biases negatively. That's the only reason they're attacking NJZ despite them wanting better treatment for all idols.

The same situation happened with VCHA and fans were desperate to dismiss KG's testimony and put all VCHA troubles on KG instead of JYP so they could keep JYPE's reputation clean and get another VCHA comeback. Just like with NJZ, fans painted KG as an entitled diva who did this and that.

[waxen musk]

Some truth in what both of you are saying.

[old cypress]

Partly, because there are still people who get influenced by hybe stans. It's just not the root cause. Hybe stans themselves only do it to defend their idols and ultimately their own entertainment.

For example many onces initially tried hard to pin vcha's mistreatment on JYP USA instead of JYPE. You can easily guess why they were doing this.

[subtle matrix]

I'm sure that group exists too but pinning it all on them sidesteps the fact that there also a lot of people who are hostile towards NJZ in this saga who are not "hybe stans" or strong fans of any hybe group

[old cypress]

No the vast majority is stanning hybe groups

[subtle matrix]

ok

[old cypress]

In kpop spaces armies are by a huge margin the biggest crowd and if you add other hybe groups fans, most of what you read online come from a hybe stan

and personally i've spoken to many people who had a negative opinion of njz. The vast majority are hybe stans and the rest are just people who are mad newjeans aren't getting a comeback and decided to blame it on the girls. There aren't many people who are actually buying the "njz are entitled divas" allegations lol

[subtle matrix]

Literally go to any big GG discord server (which allows discussion on this) and search mhj and you'll see that isn't true. Blackpink/idle/aespa/etc.

[empty jetty]

I’ve seen most blinks and mys being supportive of NewJeans

But the entitled divas accusation is very real on Twitter, I’ve seen it a lot

[cinder narwhal]

yeah both sides can be true

[old cypress]

1- I went and the threads/convos are long dead in these servers. (Dunno about idle, I'm not on it)

2- due to the nature of discord being open to everyone, not everyone that intervenes has the group as their ult bias. For example, you : a fearnot in a newjeans server

[subtle matrix]

I have 300 messages on the lsf server and 0 in the last 3 months the fact that you keep pretending I'm a die hard fearnot out to get njz is really funny

[old cypress]

I never said you were a die hard fearnot

[subtle matrix]

Sidestepper extraordinaire

Anyway ignoring the fluff, there is obviously truth in pointing out that a lot of the fans who have a negative opinion on newjeans do so because they are fans of other hybe groups and don't want this saga to have a bad influence on their favourite groups.

[waxen musk]

I swear everyone just sees the worst of "opposing" fandoms on places like Twitter (by design) and are completely blind to the reality or majority of fans behaviour. I'm seeing it right now, and occasionally I get an algorithm that thinks I'm part of another fandom (no idea how) so I see from their perspective how horrible Tokkis can seem. But when I'm on Tokkis side (most of the time) I never see this "horrible Tokkis". Twitter is a nightmare, it's political stuff too that it completely gets wrong for me on the weird occasion (that shit legit actually scares me).

[subtle matrix]

What I will argue is that trying to frame this as "this group of fans don't care about how artists are treated and hate NJZ because they are fighting the system" or that the entirety/most of the fans who are hostile towards NJZ are just hybe stans is simply reductive and not an accurate representation of how the case is perceived, and doesn't really advance the discussion in any way

Of course it is normal to feel frustrated that people can't see it like you see it but at this point there's such a ridiculous amount of information going around that it's hard to even keep track of everything and very easy for someone to only be exposed to a small % of the info which leads different people to have wildly different opinions

[waxen musk]

Yeah there's a bunch of reasons and it changes depending on where you look.

NJZ's fight to escape a company that hates them and the overall fight for idols' rights in the industry I think are actually very separate topics that keep getting intertwined.

[subtle matrix]

Agreed

[waxen musk]

Doesn't help because of Hanni at the National Assembly. That really made everyone think these two topics are the same topic.

It's amazing she done that. But I don't know how it's helped so far. Shame.

[subtle matrix]

There have been several details of this case which people have tried to turn into the case

When really in my eyes there's a string of events that lead NJZ to believe that staying with hybe was going to be detrimental to them, personally and professionally, and they made the decision to leave

[waxen musk]

I want to ask a lot of different people what they think would have happened if they didn't leave.

[subtle matrix]

It wasn't the Hanni incident, it wasn't MHJ being ousted, it wasn't the LV deal fiasco

It was the whole experience they had with the company

[empty jetty]

The banheeso stuff, Apple deal…
It was a lot of small stuff that outside ppl seems to ignore

[old cypress]

I agree about the fighting the system frame. However you can't deny that most kpop fans are hybe fans. While there are no 100% direct statistic (afaik), there are plenty of indicators pointing towards more than half of the kpop fanbase ulting a hybe group.

Which means that whenever you read a take from a kpop fan it's more likely than not that it's a hybe fan. Which is very important to keep in mind.

[subtle matrix]

Most kpop fans don't know what hybe is

[old cypress]

The active fans do

[waxen musk]

Both of you are just claiming things based on what you think you know with no data to back it up. I don't even know which of you are "more" right. (Sounded more negative than I meant sorry.)

[old cypress]

There is data. There are reports along with album sales and more stuff you can notice. And it makes sense, BTS and svt are two of the biggest groups. Add enhypen txt lesserafim illit bnd tws. Hybe fans being the majority isn't far-fetched

[waxen musk]

I've had enough yapping. Gets to a point where I'm wondering how I get back to my pre-2024 self where I just enjoyed everything NewJeans and enjoyed new K-pop releases without worry.
gn

[old cypress]

I gotta sleep too

[subtle matrix]

You're right but that's why I'm arguing against trying to put a whole side of this discussion into a neat little box and saying "here these are the people who support/oppose njz, they are all like this and that's why they support/oppose njz" (I'm exaggerating of course). There a lot of different people contributing to a lot of discussions, I don't even think there are only two sides to the discussion

gn everyone 👋

[short laurel]

I'll just say that vast majority of kpop fandoms just don't know what the h is going on, n those who do know the vast majority of them don't give a f about any of this n are only in industry for content. Ppl jist don't care about treatment they receive us good or bad, as long as contents are rolling out.
We've seen them in tokkies too. Content fans n not artists fans.

N mhj reputation has been bad thx to sm fandoms for a very long time, intl ppl who do want to support njz are pulling back cuz they dont like mhj. ( I personally think this is why not many sm fans are supporting njz)

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1972855188018069752?t=YHrVX53AXhhucZbkwV4Pyg&s=19
This 💀

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

lee do-kyung, girl, you’re not fooling us. please go back to linkedin.

X · Sep 30, 2025, 2:45 AM

N tons of bots https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1972856544246304862?t=Mdb4xrj5h3z8a3tQZc8wwQ&s=19

webelieveingwarosa (@webelieveinbots)

these are some of the accounts following this account

X · Sep 30, 2025, 2:50 AM

https://fixupx.com/9u_Mung/status/1972843793197252895?t=gZZ3dRXjRXPkB8vwOSzSBQ&s=19 💀

구뭉 (@9u_Mung)

본안 1심 30일 남은 시점에 ??
︀︀어도어와 합의하라 하시는 2025년 9월 가입 계정이 나타났다?!!!

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FixupX · Sep 30, 2025, 1:59 AM

[rugged dagger]

what was mhj found not guilty for again

[opaque torrent]

"not guilty" is court term so nothing. the police found no evidence against her to substantiate claims that she tried to usurp management rights and therefore her case never made it to prosecution/court

the ministry of labor already absolved her of covering up sexual misconduct by that VP

the three lawsuits from source music, belift and employee b are all defamation lawsuits

the one from hybe is validity of their shareholder contract

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1972865724562678006

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy)

An account supporting Fraudor created in Sept., followed by accounts created in Sept., proposing a reconciliation agreement which asks MHJ to waive her rights to her put option claim, and drop all criminal lawsuits against Hybe officials.

Only an idiot would fall for this

X · Sep 30, 2025, 3:26 AM

[red thorn]

There was kind of attempt with Team Kpop before
Now this shit Ador Supporter

[empty halo]

[empty halo]

thats a wild assumption. maybe if theyre a passive and very un-involved fan who dont even know the names of the members of groups they like and just care for the music dont know what hybe is but overall a vast majority of the kpop fandom knows exactly what hybe is (and dislikes them if they dont stan a group from hybe)

[empty halo]

this, most kpop fans are not aware of exactly whats going on and brush it off lmao

but the dislike for hybe in non-hybe grp fandoms is very strong (blinks, mys, tokkis etc)

hybe is kinda the scapegoat of these fandoms

well who cares if theyre the scapegoat its a corporation it can dissolve and die for all i care

[grizzled summit]

So are we getting the verdict right on 30th Oct is it possible to get one right before that? Exactly one month left 😔

[hollow sorrel]

It’s october 30th Oct 9 AM so if you live in the west it’s technically October 29th

[empty jetty]

finally someone aknowledges the west

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1972880987886608619

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram)

A court recognized the artist's right to terminate their contract when the company sued their fan club president as a breach of trust.

Aside from suing BNZ the last 6 mos, releasing misleading CCTV footage & threatening their artist's VISA, what has ADOR done for the girls?

X · Sep 30, 2025, 4:27 AM

but somehow the bar is higher for the girls

[short laurel]

It happened cuz army asked for it.

Fanwars among fandoms always exists but this one fandom always butt in n took everything to extreme.

Atleast cuz of this some mys n blinks supporting njz. Even media like pannchao attempt to cause fanwar between bunnies n mys failed

[copper jetty]

Why the heck would MHJ forfeit her put options and apologize when it was Hybe who literally pushed her out when there was no sufficient evidence and sued her first?
She tried to go back but it was Hybe who terminated the shareholder's contract so wt heck is this?

They sued her with their SLAPP tactics and now that Hybe is fumbling they want her to magically somehow swallow everything they did??

That company and if this were real bunnies (I doubt)

[lean barn]

Interesting.

[waxen musk]

lol embarassing

Sometimes it's really easy to tell what's real or fake, like this.
But I won't lie, it's overall quite hard to get a good overview of reality in the K-pop fandom. As seen from the discussions earlier.

[hollow sorrel]

I feel like if it was truly TAG PR it would have 100-200+ followers by now

[waxen musk]

Yeah it looks like someone spent time to manually set all of that up, rather than use any automated methods.

[mild mist]

As I keep telling folks, not all of these antis are being paid. Some are doing this because they genuinely want to

[waxen musk]

Or it's in-house and used as evidence for the courts. They've done it before. Not sure what else is happening with the main trial wrt evidence submission considering we haven't heard anything and there are no more hearings.

[hollow sorrel]

I was actually thinking about this today that we used to get a lot court updates every week but they seemed to have stopped now so I don't think new evidence can be submitted anymore unless it's really important

[last cobalt]

today is the last court hearing 😭 hope they win

[marsh roost]

que sera sera

[hollow sorrel]

today? Where did you get this info from

[last cobalt]

Final Decision: The Seoul Central District Court is scheduled to announce its final ruling on October 30, 2025, deciding whether NewJeans can legally end its contract with ADOR

wait nvm i got mess up

[hollow sorrel]

yaa lets wait 29 more days

[last cobalt]

sorry i got miss info i thought today is October 30 sorry 😭

[last cobalt]

ya i miss newjeans sm hope they can win

[tawdry vessel]

hello time traveller

let us know

[storm warren]

https://x.com/minotaurkard/status/1973081346504339775

sejong submitted something? good for them

MinotaurKard (@MinotaurKard)

Usually dont care about documents being submitted through the court site but I do wonder what sejong submitted the other day 👀

Some sort of original evidence file.. maybe an audio recording? 🤔

X · Sep 30, 2025, 5:43 PM

[waxen musk]

Well, seems like things are being submitted after all.

[hollow sorrel]

right... there was an account on twitter called @catzkang and they always used to update on what's being submitted to the court but they are taking a break right now... I wonder what this new evidence could be

[empty jetty]

Didn’t that acc get stolen or smt?

[hollow sorrel]

I do remember something like that but I'm pretty sure they got it back soon after

[hollow sorrel]

under this post people are now speculating that this new evidence is why that "adorsupporters" account appeared

the timeline of the submission of evidence also matches up as this evidence was submitted on the 25th and the adorsupporter account tweeted for the first time on the 25th...

I wonder if its really related

[copper jetty]

Can they still submit evidence though with the verdict almost close?

Please don't flame me though, idk much about litigation.

Also safe to say with how that Ador supporter appeared, is the verdict gonna be in the girls' favor or not...

Still think it could go 5050.

[hollow sorrel]

looks like they still can and apparently ador was requested by the judge to submit more evidence (according to @MinotaurKard)

[copper jetty]

Huh... I'm not gonna say i think this is in favor of them but kinda think it is huh.

https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1973001415934308453?t=P5o5RRKUUMAw9UwFj-orjQ&s=33

Shamanz MHDHH (@shamanjz)

Openly admitting fake accounts 💀🤣🤦‍♂️ i cantttttt😭

X · Sep 30, 2025, 12:26 PM

That ador supporter account just admitted to using bot accounts for "hashtag campaigns" lmao

I mean are we even surprised, they did this before when they trended hashtags for the girls to come back.

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/mapplepie/status/1972890159101456488?t=FlwHUppvdj6REC66puxDrg&s=33

daph🦢 (@mapplepie)

it’s giving

X · Sep 30, 2025, 5:04 AM

Lmao is this true? I'm not in kpop at this time but this is funny as hell if it was.

[cinder narwhal]

yeah when they were in a bidding war vs kakao for sm

[waxen musk]

BSH travel ban: https://n.news.naver.com/mnews/article/057/0001911395?sid=102

[wise basin]

Hehehehe

[heady gate]

about time of his travel ban

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1973199953133793564

MinotaurKard (@MinotaurKard)

So why is this a really big deal?

"Whoever is travel banned just has to stay in the country for a while, nothing major, right?" Sort of ..but not exactly!

Only the investigative authorities (like the police or prosecution) can request a travel ban, but they can’t approve it

X · Oct 1, 2025, 1:35 AM

[cinder narwhal]

how will he go to my birthday party now

[clear hill]

Is the court requesting a member to make an appearance or no? Or will all of them show up?

[mild mist]

Wish they'd hurry up and charge him before the 30th

[stuck roost]

no party like a bang pd party🥹

[short laurel]

They even made a website on it back then

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1973046544090771478?t=t5xgxu3tl6NxfbPVirfOSw&s=19

pannchoa (@pannchoa)

Knets notice that there is only one surviving news article talking about Bang Sihyuk's tax evasion when searching on Naver news
https://t.co/mcVVi1Ladn

X · Sep 30, 2025, 3:25 PM

[steel depot]

are we still surprised...

[short laurel]

It's more n more ppl calling out. Good thing atleast 1 media catching on. Even if it's pann

😂

[mild mist]

"what happens now is just a passing moment, and will soon be in the past" - soon being after ten years in the gaol

[rugged dagger]

and so it begins. the final 30 days

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/w_armamenter/status/1973205201952841960

[narrow seal]

251001 ARMAMENTER | very active (@​w_armamenter) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/w_armamenter/status/1973205201952841960
Sniper soon: Korean patriot Bang Si-Hyuk decides to spend more time in the motherland

[short laurel]

Bang was travel banned since 11th August

[runic knoll]

https://fxtwitter.com/njzbase/status/1973252098633679127
https://n.news.naver.com/article/057/0001911395

NJZ Base (@njzbase)

Bang Si-Hyuk, Chairman of HYBE has been banned from leaving South Korea
︀︀
︀︀He is currently being investigated for multiple fraud charges
︀︀
︀︀🔗 n.news.naver.com/article/057/0001911395

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FxTwitter · Oct 1, 2025, 5:02 AM

[old cypress]

https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1973253441490440434

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM)

According to Yonhap News, the travel ban on Chairman Bang was imposed immediately after his most recent return to the country on August 11.

X · Oct 1, 2025, 5:07 AM

[runic knoll]

how much jail time again for fraud charges?

[feral tapir]

whatever he should get lifetime

[bronze talon]

I think there once was a calculation on how much time people get for certain amounts of money being fraud
I think it was like 5 years for 20b krw
Not sure but he did like 400b+ which could get him lifetime apparently
Tho I did see a post where someone explained and showed that everything as a whole exceeds 1t krw

Fact check me on this if I got that wrong btw lol

[midnight yarrow]

It's 1.2 trillion won in total. He pocketed 400 billion won

[bronze talon]

That's what it was, ye

[hollow sorrel]

the delusion of sniper’s followers always cracks me up because why would he break his own travel ban

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1973342439403553092

[harsh dove]

@sheepymcsheepy <t:1759316475:d>

"Bang Si-hyuk's Guilt Estimated at 60%"... Why Bang Si-hyuk's Travel Ban Is More Severe Than That of a General Suspect

https://lawtalknews.co.kr/article/O774CBYZAQK8

[cinder narwhal]

it's not too farfetched tbh

[hollow sorrel]

love checking on them for a good laugh

[waxen musk]

This is one time where I have patience and just tell people to wait and see.

https://x.com/tokki_jpn_820/status/1973360472352235744?s=46
MHJ v Employee B delayed to unknown date probably because waiting for objection result.

ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)

10月13日に予定されていたミンヒジンと元職員との3次弁論は、被告側（ミンヒジン）の申請により期日変更となりました。

10月13日に予定されていた3次弁論は「推定期日」となってたみたいです。

X · Oct 1, 2025, 12:12 PM

[ashen charm]

Is it the other side yet

[copper jetty]

What objection result are they waiting for here again?

[waxen musk]

The one where MHJ was found not guilty by the police… I think? See below

And it’s MHJ who requested the delay. Obviously because she’s confident and a strong failed objection result could benefit her.

[hollow sorrel]

I think it was when the ministry of labor charged MHJ for some inappropriate texts about Employee B, and she objected against that saying she shouldn’t be charged and there’s context to the messages

[waxen musk]

Ah ok. I was unsure.

[mild mist]

isn't sokor where thomas the tank engine is set

[short laurel]

Yup, no one can stop him from doing what he does best, scamming ppl.

[rugged dagger]

isn't that sodor LMFAO

what a funny thing to connect to

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1973475118342087100

MinotaurKard (@MinotaurKard)

kakao chairman or ceo or w/e was apparently travel banned for a YEAR before getting arrested. damn

X · Oct 1, 2025, 7:48 PM

I need to read up on past criminals in related industries.

[harsh dove]

@PoppyKPoppie <t:1759332527:d>

the shaaaaaaade.

[empty jetty]

Can we declare ditto season has officially started? I think this is a call

[waxen musk]

It feels right.

[heady gate]

It should be Nov or Dec during a winter season.

[rare dune]

people say mariah carey defrosts when october comes i think it’s close enough

[pseudo heath]

when is she gonna retire

[waxen musk]

The Christmas stuff is being sold before Halloween stuff these days so yeah... fuck it Ditto season in June

Anyway
4 WEEKS LEFT

It's legit going fast. It's been 3 weeks since the failed 2nd mediation, it definitely went quick.

[wise basin]

Lets gaurrr

[ashen charm]

will this chat still be named njz after the verdict?

[empty jetty]

Yeah, why wouldn’t it?

[empty jetty]

Also Wade is your friend, big W

[ashen charm]

even tho newjeans will be free the ip wont be

[empty jetty]

The NJZ trademark belongs to the 5 girls

NewJeans belongs to ador/hybe

[ashen charm]

ah so njz is trademarked then i thought it wasnt for some reason why they went by mhdhh

[empty jetty]

It probably has to do with the contract dispute, but yeah, they registered NJZ earlier this year with their names

So all cool with the name rn

[ashen charm]

yeah gunna be a minute before they gget the njz ip

[fleet nebula]

@slate ruin

[cerulean lake]

i always see that person’s coke rants in tweets but they always show up as spam 😭

[heady gate]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1973584518964715627

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

Wait… the music video director who sued hybe and has always supported newjeans just showed up on the korean president’s ig

X · Oct 2, 2025, 3:03 AM

[waxen musk]

Why?

[red thorn]

He made promo video for APEC 2025 #kpop-chat message

[orchid field]

my goat

[hollow sorrel]

I hope he put in a good word or 2 for newjeans...

[cinder verge]

is this real im not tapped in

[empty jetty]

real

[orchid field]

real

[fathom onyx]

real

[clear hill]

Ditto season is the start of autumn to the start of winter

[flint stone]

This month there is only contract validation trial? I thought some of mhjs trials in October

[frozen granite]

NJZ come back this month

[waxen musk]

Look at the pinned schedule. October 13 - MHJ vs Employee B 3rd hearing was delayed to an unknown date.

[red thorn]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1973784890933191110

1tokki (@juantokki)

Bang Si-hyuk’s side sued for forcing out an employee through workplace bullying and then canceling her stock options
https://t.co/W2W3D6odY2

Former HYBE director Chae Eun: “To seize stock options, they forced not only me but several others out of the company through workplace

X · Oct 2, 2025, 4:19 PM

[empty jetty]

Looks like all is falling down for him

The only thing going up for him rn is his weight

[midnight yarrow]

I'm familiar with the story. Is the lawsuit new?

[red thorn]

Don't know when the lawsuit filed, but I believe it's not that new

[spare epoch]

I have a question
If BSH is found guilty, what would that mean for the newjeans situation?

[heady gate]

His case is under police investigation, with no prosecution currently.

[cinder narwhal]

idk vindication?

they're not really related

[quartz kestrel]

newjeans comeback

[tawdry vessel]

less mediaplay against njz

cause hybe would loss control over kr media

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/kmj3106321/status/1973985056915095745

뜬겁새로 (@kmj3106321)

세종은 소송대리인으로서 할 일을 다 마쳤습니다
참고서면은 변론 종결 후 판결 선고 전 마지막으로 제출하는 서면이거든요
이제 남은 건 판사님의 현명한 판단 뿐

X · Oct 3, 2025, 5:34 AM

The arguments for the main trial have been closed

[short laurel]

notice how victims are always female employees in this company.

[empty jetty]

Translated for the lazy ppl

[mild mist]

Further interpretation:

(odd that there's no :hannipray: )

[empty jetty]

[flint stone]

Yeah, I checked it, when and why was it delayed?

[wise basin]

27 days

[hoary frost]

[snow furnace]

the good thing that happens in the end of this month will be my birthday present in November.
i'll nuke hybe if they ruin my day

[wise basin]

I'll volunteer as the nuke

[waxen musk]

https://discordapp.com/channels/948917131989381173/1231839760759263232/1422926221540331563 See thread of comments.

[flint stone]

Thanks

[empty halo]

use "-prayjeans"

-prayjeans

it doesnt work anymore? 😭

[tall dew]

[pseudo heath]

Type /t

[tall dew]

[tall dew]

[waxen musk]

Can't reply to comments with /t.

[waxen musk]

We really are just waiting for judgement then. I'm always surprised that there could seemingly be more things to submit up until this last update. Like why not submit everything months ago.

[empty jetty]

Gives less time to fabricate stuff ig?

[waxen musk]

I don't understand that logic.

[empty jetty]

Hybe side would probably try to twist that evidence on the media idk

[waxen musk]

Oh I understand what you meant.

[heady gate]

https://x.com/theletter_Y/status/1974049658889551887

Ylon Musk 📭 Y 😑 (@theletter_Y)

They removed Hybe's Glorious Leader's photo from the National Museum of Korea IG page after over 200 negative comments 🥳
You know he is mad this morning! #HitmanBinned #

X · Oct 3, 2025, 9:51 AM

[sly python]

one of the final hearings is at the end of this month right?

[native anchor]

it is the final verdict

30th october

a thursday

[waxen musk]

Yeah not a hearing.

[red thorn]

Yeah final verdict for main trial, so no more hearing for that

[frozen granite]

Manifesting a huge W for NJZ !!!

[grizzled summit]

Is it possible to get the verdict before 30th

[viscid prism]

No

The court has given exact date and time for the ruling: October 30, 9:50 AM KST

[flint stone]

Verdict has date for a reason

[tawdry vessel]

this monday watch out

[flint stone]

It's usually mediaplay on Monday tho

Mediaplay Monday, u know

[viscid prism]

We also know the location, Seoul Central District Court, room 562. I think it's public, so koreans can sign up to attend. There'll be many k-tokkis

The girls might attend if they think they are winning

[grizzled summit]

I'm just asking.

[tawdry vessel]

court will tell them the result on 29th and it becomes public on the 30th

or maybe earlier

[grizzled summit]

That's what I was asking

[waxen musk]

You state that like it's a fact. I assume you're just speculating, though?

I don't know why I keep thinking people physically attending the result of this judgement is a strange thing. Just to me, it sounds unnecessary to physically meet with the judge to hear their judgement and then leave. I don't know how things work.

[short laurel]

people wanna hear the full judgement. we know that on judgement day media will only share manipulated news. especially in case it's half won half lose.

[tawdry vessel]

its a fact, that's how it works

[waxen musk]

Good to know. I had no idea.

[tawdry vessel]

it was brought up last injunction

the girls get to know first

[waxen musk]

Oh yeah I vaguely remember. I hate how crap my memory is.

[clear hill]

I hate how if they half win/half lose/ lose the media will run with this and go crazy per usual. I think I’ll genuinely have to block kpop from my algorithm. I will genuinely lose interest for kpop altogether lol

[waxen musk]

Exciting and scary times ahead. I genuinely don't know what to expect if they win or lose or whatever.

I've never been so optimistic over something so uncertain in my life.

[short laurel]

even if njz win, media will somehow find 1 small thing to twist it to make it sound like girls lost.

[waxen musk]

Logic would have you thinking so pessimistically after how the injunction went.
It's honestly really hard to not see Tokkis as crazy for completely thinking the opposite for each injunction judgement's point, so when I saw a message yesterday that said we're crazy, I kind of understood. But we're not crazy without reason, there's so much going on for us to think this way.

[short laurel]

everyone involved in this are crazy tbf. all of us fans and hybe fans. even mhj and njz are crazy to fight the unfair system. even if they are in the right, to the world they look crazy.

[heady gate]

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2024/05/hybe-employees-caught-making-negative-comments-about-labels-girl-groups

[empty jetty]

This is awful

[short laurel]

Old article.

[ashen charm]

what is newjeans gunna use as mascot

[storm warren]

dragon

[dense bramble]

rabbit

[ashen charm]

false

[dense bramble]

you’re the mascot

[ashen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-rabbit-bunny-goblin-gif-16556088275988104529

[torn idol]

🐇

[tired cairn]

My life has changed so much since all this started it's insane. I'm hoping for positive news later this month to really make this new start amazing. It's already been satisfying to read about BSH, so thanks to all that keep posting

[vestal rover]

i hope all njz fans can get amazing news at the end of this year to solidify their journey.

[fathom onyx]

real

[hollow sorrel]

the last birthday without any updates from the girls

[waxen musk]

I’m still wondering about the very few Instagram posts/stories after the injunction penalties were put in place and wonder if they could technically still post on it even now.
Anyway this is old discussion but can’t help but think about it with Hanni’s birthday.
Not expecting anything of course.

People not happy about Ador posting happy birthday to Hanni after how they treated her. Feels so wrong.

[red thorn]

I'm guessing they wouldn't risk it even if they could technically
Staying low as in not initiating is post on social platform I think is for the best
And come to think of it old hyein's IG account deleted all their post

[empty halo]

they can post messages and stuff (something they have done a couple of times after the injunction i think) but theyre probably choosing not to and just having a break with all thats going on. i think thats fine and they should be given that space

its okay if they wanna take a step back

[wise basin]

24 days , getting closer ⏳🗓️

[distant cedar]

what are the possible outcomes after the 30th

[heady gate]

50% chance win/lose

[fathom onyx]

coin flip

[red thorn]

Nothing impossible
They're going into space 🚀

[torn idol]

🐇

[ashen charm]

The audacity after they tried to ruin her reputation...

[fathom onyx]

yo which label would you guys want them to sign with if/when they leave ADOR?
I can see a big bidding war happening

[normal trench]

I've been thinking about this scenario for a while. And it would be insane if Jennie signs them to her OA label

[cinder narwhal]

tbh anywhere as long as mhj is still in charge. TBL maybe but without teddy in their music...

[heady gate]

She must win her shareholder case, or her contract will restrict her from working for another label company.

[rugged dagger]

all the way till December????

[runic knoll]

what's the update about that fat ugly BSH and his fraud charges so far?

[heady gate]

It is Choseuk holidays. I don't expect anything until next week

[copper jetty]

I keep getting ads about a koom festival that's happening in the city next next week. Apparently Hybe's Kim taeho is coming.

[mild mist]

Unconfirmed reports that he has been formally charged
Confirmed reports of a travel ban / flight risk

[ashen charm]

i thought about this it would have to be a label where they are the priority and only them not make any gg or bgs

[cinder narwhal]

oh yeah i remember this was asked before and i said asnd

wendy and fromis are both doing better now

[short laurel]

sooo much better. SM and hybe barely did anything for them and under new label wendy getting so much promotion and now tour ❤️

[cinder narwhal]

i also haven't heard anything behind the scenes like management or staff

as much as i like mhj maybe let's try her really behind the scenes next time

[red thorn]

Wondering how's that plausible
That's against her principle she voiced during the hybe dispute, she insisted on management+production is het important method

Unless she is a chairman of a company and stepped down as a ceo to be focused on producing at the same time can micro manage behind the scene too
But that would be like certain someone

[cinder narwhal]

i just mean she doesn't appear as a face of the company. like all the other agencies out there

[red thorn]

Ahh that
Yeah, can see the merit

[normal trench]

That's why I would say OA is a good fit. The only artist under that label is Jennie herself. And, I don't mean to sound like a crazy conspiracy theorist, but she did recently lease an new larger building as their new HQ. You typically don't invest in a larger building unless you have plans to expand.

[jade jolt]

That would be really cool also knowing that jennie and the girls are friends

[vale grove]

Honestly I wouldn’t mind this

Also interesting considering Danielle’s yg background

[normal trench]

That's the good thing. Jennie's OA label is not under YG. It's partnered with Columbia Records

[vale grove]

For sure

[cerulean lake]

welp we’ll just have to see oct 30th first 🫩

i think after that (and of course if they win), this discussion can flood with who they’ll sign with. i guess mhj also needs to win her court case regarding her shareholder agreement to be free to work anywhere else

[short laurel]

Hybe terminated the contract so she should be able to work anywhere? Isn't lawsuit about the put option?

[red thorn]

The termination is for her shareholder agreement

[rugged dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/njz-newjeans-bunnicula-cookie-cookies-gif-5988452836732272210

remembering these times makes me cry. the joy back then of having them once more

only to lose them again

[boreal swallow]

So by October 13 we will have njz free?

[native anchor]

its the 30th

[hollow sorrel]

I think the non-compete clause is still in effect until she has HYBE shares she can only work for HYBE or something. That's why during the presscon and even during the hearings she referenced to it as a slave contract

I still hope she can unofficially direct the girls in the upcoming era (if they win the lawsuit)

[clear hill]

This led me to think- do y’all think the girls would work w anyone besides mhj? I personally don’t think so. I feel like even in hypothetical scenarios where they work w another cd I feel like it’d be someone mhj is very familiar w. That would open up a space where mhj can do the behind the scenes work and the CD can just bring them to life.

[hollow sorrel]

I actually think Pit Stop was made without the involvement of MHJ, but with people who MHJ obviously introduced them to.

since she was being investigated around that time and the injunction was taking place before complex con

people might hate me for it but I never really thought Pit Stop will be an official song, if you look at the lyrics and theme it kinda seems like they just made it for complexcon so they have something to perform (but maybe I'm wrong)

[clear hill]

Mhj being such a vital part of newjeans- the girls and the brand itself makes it hard for me to picture someone leading their future projects. I feel like the atmosphere created between mhj and the girls made it so intuitive for them to be as creative as they could without the added pressure and stress. And plus, I feel like they’ve put so much trust in her i don’t know if I can imagine them being as comfortable w another team as og ador 😭you can really tell ador was mhj’s passion project

[clear hill]

Yeah I completely get that and I agree. I feel like pit stop era and the NJZ concept was them experimenting w a concept they’ve previously touched before but I’m ngl it didn’t seem cohesive w mhdhh’s entire works 😭

Maybe I’m just being delulu but I’ve always felt like mhj has a plan... only time will tell truly but I truly feel that this will all work out in the end for all of them🙏

[hollow sorrel]

I was actually rewatching bunnies camp today and I feel like I have a clear sound of NJ1 the album would have sounded like

it's hard to describe but before Hold It Down there's a short sequence with like light sticks that is very bouncy and synth-y and the Haerin dance solo is also similar in sound so I definitely feel like that would have been the main sound of their album

[rugged dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-rage-angry-annoyed-whatever-gif-5126333390325209476

[clear hill]

Don’t say would have sounded like, we WILL get that album one day trust 😭😭😭😭😭

[hollow sorrel]

there's also this :
https://youtu.be/9Wcpn-ppdsI?t=14

[clear hill]

I scream as they drag me to the asylum...

[hollow sorrel]

which has the same exact sound (+ there was this theory that every AAA they teased the sound for their next era and it's true like they did New Jack swing during 2022 AAA which became their JP debut sound in 2024)

[clear hill]

I thought the concept was more fairytale/dreamy tho? Wasn’t that the teaser comeback? Lemme find it

[cinder narwhal]

i agree it didn't have that "magic"

the demo mhj shared during her talk was so much more newjeans

[clear hill]

https://youtu.be/sYE8lWKXmaQ?si=GXDoL19_N0-EBiSC

[hollow sorrel]

yeah this makes a lot of sense too

also I remember during the injunction ADOR provided evidence of working on a new comeback and it was "Alice in Wonderland" coded

Now this is just pure speculation but they might have already known the concept MHJ and original ADOR was going for is Alice in Wonderland themed and just said that to the court

I kinda hope it is true cause Alice in Wonderland would make so much sense for them with the RABBIT hole and everything...

[clear hill]

I remember hanni said while writing for hype boy it reminded her of Alice in wonderland as well!

[unborn arrow]

bang pd curse

[pseudo heath]

💀

[wary creek]

it feels like this hiatus has been forever when it hasn't even been a year

[waxen musk]

Been doing a lot of looking back in the past few days and so much happened less than a year ago. We still got so much from the girls at the end of last year. It’s really not been that long.

[empty jetty]

We even had complexcon on march

Time has been weird lately

[waxen musk]

I know. I forgot how packed even December and January were though. It was just February we had to suffer through to get to March and then the rest is history.

[rugged dagger]

couple more weeks to go

[heady gate]

3 weeks

[cerulean lake]

i just had a random thought but if the girls ever do get to promote normally again, i hope they don’t work with those who decided to switch up on them after the injunction 😀

like that one guy who interviewed them and i think erika de casier as well.
he was pretty supportive (or seemed like it) during the conflict and then after the injunction, he did a whole switch up and made a vid basically saying that they didn’t know what they were doing while liking comments from people calling njz ungrateful and foolish 🙄

[silk skiff]

What’s his name? I have one in mind but I’m not sure if he’s interviewed the girls before

[cerulean lake]

i don’t remember his name but i remember ppl sending receipts abt him doing a switch up

i think he was the guy who interviewed them after omg era

https://youtu.be/zybsnUBtlSQ

[raven kelp]

why erika de casier?

[wise basin]

!!!

[cinder narwhal]

did she ever remove them? lol

[cerulean lake]

she was one of the main producers of get up so ig he had an interview w her

[raven kelp]

oh my bad i misread!!

[wise basin]

didn’t even notice tbh,but I think the post’s just for reach, so it's probably my fault lol

[waxen musk]

Derrick Gee is the person you’re talking about. Shame he so publicly went against them after so much support. I’m sure he’ll switch up too. A lot of people will.

Some K-pop reactors also.

[empty jetty]

Yes

[short laurel]

Ppl know courts are not justice n heavily influenced by politics. Yet when court makes a decision, ppl switch up quickly

[waxen musk]

I don't blame people for thinking it's all over for NJZ after the injunction result and the appeal and the objection and the added penalties... on a surface level without understanding the details.

[orchid field]

was he an asian guy with medium long hair on tiktok

(danny yau i just rembered his name)

[cerulean lake]

yeah people be saying courts are corrupt or the legal system is ass and then treat the court’s decision as some divine statement especially when it goes against the victim

[cerulean lake]

yeah i think those type of people make me more disappointed than those who already expressed their hate since the beginning of the conflict..sad to see how easily they change their minds

basically reminded me of why i don’t watch those reactors anymore bc a lot of them switched up since the beginning to save face for certain fandoms they needed to appease to

[wise basin]

So turns out she did archive them

[cinder narwhal]

getting my hopes up sigh

[waxen musk]

Lots of people talking about the MHJ IG stuff, and I don't think it means anything other than MHJ is continuing to be in a good mood since a while ago, which continues to be a good sign regardless.

[raven kelp]

why did i deflate after reading this

[waxen musk]

Nah I'm saying most people misunderstand the real situation because they think too simply in the way I described and know nothing else.

[raven kelp]

hope it'll be w after w after w from now on

[waxen musk]

Just saying don't be upset at people thinking there's no chance after that. I like to think those people will be pleasantly surprised in THREE WEEKS.
(It's officially 3 weeks left in Korea now.)

[tall dew]

[waxen musk]

Let's say it's 50/50. Those are good odds in gambling. (are they?)

THREE ACTUAL LEGIT SOLID REAL PROPER WEEKS LEFT REMAINING

[rugged dagger]

soon ™️

[pseudo heath]

we are so back

[fathom onyx]

🤯

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/butterfly_jihye/status/1975945695208357961

ℰ𝓊𝒶𝓁𝓁𝒶 🦋 (@butterfly_jihye)

Nayeon Kim has unfollowed Ador on IG

X · Oct 8, 2025, 3:25 PM

[native anchor]

who that

[waxen musk]

This person was the one who remained at Ador, doing stuff during one of those "camps" where they design new stuff, seemingly worked on the Ador new boy group audition promotional videos/etc. (right? cmiiw)

[viscid prism]

a major creative designer at ador

[waxen musk]

Like you can't just work for Ador in that capacity then unfollow them without raising serious questions

Usually I don't give a fuck about IG follows or unfollows but this seems extremely notable

[last cobalt]

https://x.com/shi_shang_/status/1975795214557274174

shi shang (@shi_shang_)

【速報】ミンヒジン(45)、以前の投稿を全て復元へ。もしかして、再結集の道筋が見えてきたのかしら。

X · Oct 8, 2025, 5:27 AM

[native anchor]

i cant read that

[last cobalt]

【Breaking News】Min Hee-jin (45) to restore all previous posts. Could it be that the path to reuniting is starting to come into view?

[native anchor]

thank you

[last cobalt]

yes is this cramps for newjean comeback

[native anchor]

maybe

[short laurel]

she seemed excited about new project at ador.

[last cobalt]

the court is in 23 more days i wish the best luck for newjeans

[native anchor]

i do too

[waxen musk]

21 days korea time (3 weeks)

[hollow sorrel]

wow this is kinda shocking because she was promoting the boygroup audition like her life depended on it

[native anchor]

seems like her job depended on it

[last cobalt]

is min hee jin gonna win for newjeans wins in court

[native anchor]

how should i know

[hollow sorrel]

what if MHJ is back at ador and fired nayeon

[short laurel]

people making theories that maybe nayeon was spy at ador. njz side got voice recording of ador not having any plans for newjeans post mhj. maybe it was through her. 🤔

[last cobalt]

it means the world is becoming good and better place

[short laurel]

why would mhj fire her anyways.

[empty jetty]

Then we need a Netflix doc

[wise basin]

ARE WE BACK 😭😭

[raven kelp]

things have been exciting since you sent that post

maybe it's a whole lot of nothing but still we got something to yap about after so many days of nothing

[normal trench]

These crumbs will keep me alive until the 30th

[wise basin]

lowkey manifesting good news rn idc

[tall dew]

[hushed whale]

D-21

[cerulean lake]

yeah i can get why people don’t think they can ever come back and i lowkey was on the edge too but it still makes me sad when people are super pessimistic 😞

[cerulean lake]

it was a w after w when hybe was getting whacked for their docs but it turned downhill after the injunction so i need the cycle to go back to w after w 😭🙏

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/w_armamenter/status/1975924846895812760

ARMAMENTER | very active (@w_armamenter)

MHJ unarchiving those posts can only mean one of two things: something or nothing

X · Oct 8, 2025, 2:02 PM

[waxen musk]

MHJ posting a song with "Amor" in the title... after everything else today. STOP

Nothing is happening, clearly.

[red thorn]

can only mean on of two things

[waxen musk]

By the way I don't think anything is happening, like really. I'm not joking about that. It's just really hilarious.

Only thing of note is the Nayeon stuff... potentially.

[red thorn]

Amor Entertainment happening

[marsh roost]

mhj redemption arc

[craggy skiff]

Unexpected plot twist

[ashen charm]

mhj joined hybe

[rugged dagger]

wasn't amor something to do with nj1 or am i tweaking

was it not on the book for that one performance with all the fairy stuff or am i remembering wrong (probably)

IM NOT BUGGING IT WAS ON THE BOOK. WE'RE BACK?????

*x
https://x.com/hyekittyz/status/1920311936790458838?t=TDtHaD-tmrPLmVRc3QaU0Q&s=19

[harsh dove]

@hyekittyz <t:1746673018:d>
https://url.misobot.xyz/4pp3h

[rugged dagger]

idk how to embed it but yes watch that

[rugged dagger]

oh i think ashbash alr noticed lol

[opaque flicker]

https://fixupx.com/hyekittyz/status/1920311936790458838?s=19

bear ・❥・ PHAMDAL DAY💕 (@hyekittyz)

oh AMOR era newjeans they can erase you but i will never forget you or your potential 😔💔

Quoting َ (@hynfies)
︀
Donkkis are now saying tha dreamcore, back rooms and magical girls was newjeans concept. Dont make me laugh

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FixupX · May 8, 2025, 2:56 AM

the vid is too long for miso to embed

[rugged dagger]

ok i did fixup and it didn't work. guess i just dont have embed perms

anyway, perhaps her profile being updated and amor in song is a hint but who knows

the full title of the song translates to "False Miracle of Love"

[cinder narwhal]

from the title-- amor concept has been trashed, bunnies move on

https://x.com/Phamkuromi/status/1976089639950876812

Chericheri／(≧ x ≦)＼🍒🍀 (@Phamkuromi)

That company did everything to fake the hate & they still ended up #3 next to SNSD & BLACKPINK in THE Gallup 2025. 😃

🏆 Gallup Korea’s 2025 Survey: The Most Beloved K-Pop Girl Groups of the 21st Century in Korea:

#1 SNSD
#2 BLACKPINK
#3 NewJeans NJZ

X · Oct 9, 2025, 12:57 AM

[mild mist]

Yeah but where's my wonder girls reunion

[storm warren]

it is not gallup 2025, but 2024

[fathom onyx]

amor means love in portuguese
maybe u know that already

[waxen musk]

Yes. But that’s not the point. The point is the history of Amor for NewJeans, not the meaning of the word.

Anyway I don’t think anything of it. I’m sure there’s a lot of songs with Amor in the title. It’s just funny because it’s significant to NewJeans and after the other things that happened on the same day.

[grizzled summit]

Mhj rearchived every post. What's happening now

[waxen musk]

Nothing. And it wasn’t every post.

Please scroll up if you wanna see what we all said. #1231839760759263232 message
The Nayeon stuff is still more interesting to me. However the account still has Ador boy group posts still up.

[fathom onyx]

wth is amor

[waxen musk]

Amor was what people assumed was something to do with NewJeans first full album. It was teased with an animation before a performance at the end of 2023/start of 2024.

Just scroll up a tiny bit to see. #1231839760759263232 message

[fathom onyx]

damn

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1976258813226516894?s=46

The parallels between ADOR vs NewJeans and this case https://tinyurl.com/ymuth6e4 is something that absolutely needs to be scrutinized in the main suit. If you recall, the appellate court conveniently sidestepped this precedent. And sure, we’ve all seen how bizarre the injunction ruling was, but let’s be real... When it comes to the main trial, the court won’t be able to dance around it anymore. They’ll have to scrutinize every possible parallel, especially how catastrophically unprepared FRAUDOR was to support the girls after ousting MHJ Daepyonim.

FRAUDOR effectively did nothing once MHJ was removed. They just flopped around like a fish out of water, proving they had no actual plan, no vision, and certainly no leadership.

Another critical factor is the “not guilty” verdict on MHJ Daepyonim, which completely shatters the very foundation of HYBE’s audit of ADOR and MHJ. That audit was the backbone of their internal case... one that they used to justify her unjust “dismissal.” Without it, their entire narrative doesn’t just crack... it collapses in on itself.

https://x.com/minotaurkard/status/1976289240892977657?s=46

There are a ton of cases like this btw. They just don't make the news for us because most people (including me) didn't know or care about these contracts in the first place. + A lot of these idols, dancers, and actors aren't that well known, so the news outlets don't get enough clicks to justify reporting on them.

Just 2-3 years ago, there was a case where the court cited sk's SC precedent for terminating a contract over a breakdown of trust.

At first, I thought this contract was terminated because the idol/trainee had a supplementary contract stating it would be voided if they didn't debut within a specific timeframe (which they didn't) but the court didn't even use that as the sole reason....
(Continued below)

The judges in the main trial for this case ruled that the contract was terminated for a variety of reasons, but the primary reason was a breakdown of trust, citing the supreme court ruling. This was for nonfinancial and nonphysical abuse reasons of course

One of the those factors? The artist simply did not return to their dorm after "legally" announcing the termination of her contract

Heres where it gets fucking nuts and it will make you hate the system. It also had an injunction trial, where judges suspended the artist's contract (a temp termination). The reason wasn't any of the points mentioned before but instead, the judge deemed that if the artist were forced to stay with the company in a broken trust relationship, it could harm their career.

The judges also noted that if the company were to suffer financial damages from this ruling, it could always recover those losses in the main trial or a future compensation lawsuit so they decided FOR THE TIME BEING TO TERMINATE THE CONTRACT..

So, for other artists with exclusive contracts based on trust, the judicial logic and rulings have been

"Hmm, since this is ultimately about trust versus money, the company can always recover potential financial losses through a separate lawsuit. Therefore, the contract is terminated."

But for "the girls," the judges for both the injunction ahd the appeal seemingly ignored all of this precedent (from the lower courts to the higher courts to the supreme court) and essentially said

"Okay, but we think it's better for your career and life to go back to the company that you say you can't trust...."

(I'm not naming the artist or source from the other case to protect their privacy, but the information can be easily found.)

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1976290878793871537

I forgot to mention that in a lot of these cases, the agencies likely didn't make much money and probably lost more in the end but for ADOR they made probably around hundreds of millions of dollars USD..

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1976292489394045370

Also that supplementary contract (the addition to the main exclusive contract) is absolutely dogshit for idols, which is probably why the main judges in the other case didn't use it as the primary reason for the contract termination. It's a complete joke and barely a contract. Luckily for that person, the judges actually read the SC ruling. Yet for MHDHH, it seems all of that precedent was ignored.. Like all of it.

Literally, everything was ignored. The KNC lawyers not only successfully convinced the judges that HYBE's alleged 21 or 26 billion KRW investment was more important than the hundreds of millions of USD in profit that they've already made through the girls, but they also argued that a two way trust relationship isn't important if one side just keeps saying, "Wait, no, but we trust them! Isn't that enough?"

There's really no new information here, just sharing more examples of precedent and how things SHOULD have gone in our favour during the injunction.

I've already told all of you how optimistic I am (knowing things can easily not go our way regardless), but I feel like these two are yapping again because it's getting closer to the 30th and after there was a little injection of hope from yesterday's "potentially-nothing" events. It's scary to be optimistic in this situation, because we don't want to repeat how we all felt so optimistic before the injunction and you know how that went. However, I still choose to be optimistic because of things like what I shared above, which is only a TINY part of the whole story.

[waxen musk]

More interesting stuff if you wanna read (I won't repost it here because I've already posted too much): https://x.com/breadjeanz_/status/1976295308763263033
THIS is the stuff that severely reduces the optimism we have. (Includes the "judges facing external pressure" screenshot that consistenly shows up here.)

I'm still pissed off all the time by Twitter in general (for a multitude of reasons these days) and how this is LITERALLY THE ONLY WAY I can find out information like this. I just hope people who don't visit Twitter can see some of this GOOD STUFF that's being said on there. The only reason I post so much.

[waxen musk]

20 days left

[pseudo heath]

its going fast

final stretch

[fathom onyx]

🔥

[viscid prism]

What did she re-archive? It seems to be the same for me

[waxen musk]

It's hard to say specifically because of having to rely on my bad memory, but basically everything from Ditto era to up until one or two months ago, the posts were unarchived. Everything pre-Ditto is still archived. A couple of months ago there was no visible posts at all. It's been like a gradual change. But the fact is SOME old posts were made visible again, that's all.

People kept showcasing one of the old posts made visible again is of this and thinking it means anything. I don't know why people focused so much on this specific one lol. So many other posts were made visible again.

[wise basin]

OFFICIALLY 3 WEEKS LEFT

[fathom onyx]

(the gif did NOT look like that 😭 )

[empty jetty]

It looks good here

[cinder verge]

guys is the legal shi looking in favor for newjeans or hybe sorry ive been so out of the loop, like what do we think the result on oct 30 gonna br

[heady gate]

50% chance to win. I don't think about it anymore. We can talk about it after Oct 30.

[empty halo]

🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[rugged dagger]

why do so many people that have nothing to do with the situation and no stake in it feel the need to always give their negative opinions. it pisses me off

[short laurel]

https://x.com/jeans0722sweet/status/1976485662997217611

This...

jeanz💙🧡💛💚💜 (@jeans0722sweet)

디스패치가 일반인 신고자 정보 보도 후에 심리적 압박 느끼던 신고자가 숨진채 발견 되었네요

X · Oct 10, 2025, 3:11 AM

[empty jetty]

translation for the lazy people

[languid lark]

what the..

[empty jetty]

i have no words, this is just awful

[short laurel]

Assuming what ppl are saying this is that person, NA publicly told hybe not to do anything in this person.
Only hybe or NA can be the source for dispatch.

[red thorn]

Wait this is different case

[short laurel]

Ppl saying The person was the one who gave NA the internal report last year

[empty jetty]

whats na again?

[short laurel]

Korean National assembly

[empty jetty]

thx

[empty halo]

whistleblower of what

[empty halo]

which internal report
im so lost

[short laurel]

Hybe internal report from last year. Which had very disgusting information about other idols which NA said are not appropriate to even show in public

[red thorn]

That article is about a drunk driving celeb-comedian case, his gf was the whistle blower

[short laurel]

Everyone saying that who was the whistleblower for internal report

[empty halo]

ohhh got it thanks

so the person who exposed it died?? thats WILD

[empty jetty]

"died"

[short laurel]

I edited last msges. Ppl are saying it's the same person but it could be different case entirely, I'll try to find proper source or proper translation of that article after i have some time.

[empty halo]

ohh i see

[short laurel]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1976522554706886891?t=FOd-AeFSrMGKnu3yI0UQsA&s=19

I wonder why some kbunnies saying she was the hybe internal report whistleblower.

MinotaurKard (@MinotaurKard)

well this is one of the most fucked up news iv read recently regarding the media

apparently Dispatch leaked that a celebrity's girlfriend was the one who reported him to the police for drunk driving. The girlfriend was found dead today after reportedly expressing psychological

X · Oct 10, 2025, 5:37 AM

I m sorry if this happens to be not related to hybe.
Kbunnies linking too many shit without source. I'll confirm the source next time be4 posting.

[cinder narwhal]

not related to njz lol

[short laurel]

Yea, sorry.
Still sad news though. Hope dispatch n the bf gets punished.

[orchid field]

they should just close down dispatch. nothing of value comes out of that fuckass company

They have done so much damage to our girls and countless other people

[empty halo]

but theyll face 0 consequences for this smh

if individuals who arent even THAT powerful and rich like lee jin ho get away with the evil things they say, a well established company like dispatch is barely gonna have to suffer any consequences

[waxen musk]

19 days left

[fathom onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209846888380239964/1422766330653839360/caption.gif

[normal trench]

https://tenor.com/view/hanni-hanni-pham-newjeans-new-jeans-zoom-gif-10590593764839018099

[cerulean lake]

literally korean tmz

can’t trust “news” outlets that let money, power, connections, and greed sway whatever they put out. unfortunately, that’s the state of almost all media nowadays

[wise basin]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-new-jeans-hanni-haerin-happy-new-jeans-gif-11794119718577323118

[cinder narwhal]

https://fixupx.com/NJZBTS/status/1976764857329615320

🐇 (@NJZBTS)

California employment attorney breaking down the mistreatment of trainees in kpop industry (specifically hybe)

**💬 1 🔁 71 ❤️ 422 👁️ 4.1K **

▶ Play video

FixupX · Oct 10, 2025, 9:40 PM

[heady gate]

This is why K-pop artists are not considered workers in South Korea. 😅

[cinder narwhal]

https://fixupx.com/charestriart/status/1976369355127652696

아포방포💜BTS IS SEVEN💜⟭⟬ Charestriart⁷ ⟬⟭ (@cha...

The Downfall Eps. 194 NJZ is ILLEGALLY BACK? or another guerilla?
︀︀
︀︀So after that MHJ flash move.. which means she is afraid and go back hiding.. 🤭🤭
︀︀I'm curious about their (newjeans) instagram..
︀︀
︀︀So, i found some of them still using brand NJZ on their personal IG profile name. And posting whatever they like without ador permission. And they have a youtube channel under njz brands too.
︀︀
︀︀And some of them asking for donation thru support website like buymeacoffee.com and opening promotion thru dm. Is this how they make a brand deal now?
︀︀
︀︀I bet @alldoorsoneroom and @HYBEOFFICIALtwt legal team Kim&Chang already knew about this.
︀︀I hope they list all these illegal activity into their penalties 🥰🥰✨️✨️
︀︀
︀︀Here are some SS you can use to report to protect.hybecorp.com for copyright infringement below ador>newjeans section.
︀︀
︀︀EXPOSE TEAM BUNNIES
︀︀EXPOSE MIN HEEJIN
︀︀EXPOSE…

FixupX · Oct 9, 2025, 7:29 PM

💀 💀 💀

[waxen musk]

Funny

It's worrying how many people like this exist in the world

[heady gate]

"How many people" there is a whole army of them.

[red thorn]

Didn't research enough bc not included the most valid official account that is NJZ Official YouTube channel, it has even pit stop mv
Smh
Oh wait it's there lmao

[heady gate]

I just realized MHJ has no court hearing in Oct.

[empty jetty]

yeah, MHJ requested to do it another day

[bronze talon]

lets not give these people more attention and be smart, thank you

[orchid field]

https://x.com/njz_psd/status/1976722974230323436?s=46

njz_psd (@njz_psd)

X · Oct 10, 2025, 6:54 PM

[frozen granite]

I can’t wait for the girls to be back

[short laurel]

Still wonder how is it any of there business weather girls have an ig or not.

[frozen granite]

What’s with MHJ’s cryptic stories ?

[orchid field]

I dont think there much to read into

[cinder narwhal]

lol

[cinder narwhal]

for you https://fixupx.com/kumachan982/status/1976865573910069523

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

Maybe she means “Home has been a mess since piggy invaded. Now I have to come back and clean the mess like Jesus.”

Quoting PGK NJZ fan (@knight_spg)
︀
MHJ Instagram, the image of Jesus presiding over a trash dump🤣🤷‍♂️
︀︀3rd pic “Homecoming”🤷‍♂️
︀︀Is she telling us something

**💬 3 🔁 17 ❤️ 196 👁️ 5.2K **

FixupX · Oct 11, 2025, 4:20 AM

[cerulean lake]

bro has a fetish for humiliation

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/A_MaizingBlue/status/1976812624034799691

AmaizingBlue (@A_MaizingBlue)

🧢, FRNk, and 250 preparing for the girls comeback tracks

X · Oct 11, 2025, 12:50 AM

[clear hill]

The type of people to fall for a phishing scam 💀💀 brain cells of a fart

[clear hill]

Was just gonna send this!! Super informative and great food for thought!

Also something I just thought: if it was so normalized for Dani during her predebut that she didn’t see anything wrong with it, this leads me to think that her debut and experience under ador has been drastically different to her predebut experience where she can wholeheartedly say what she went through was not okay. And that just speaks volumes on how mhj really put an effort to give these girls proper working conditions.

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/kmj3106321/status/1976917630675304813?s=46

Last time, I posted something implying that the lawyers' work was done just based on the single word "reference," but why did I do that... I’m sorry for causing misunderstanding and making assumptions on my own without being the lawyer in charge...

뜬겁새로 (@kmj3106321)

저번에 참고서면 이라는 단어 하나만 보고 이제 변호사님들 할 일은 다 끝났다는 취지로 게시글 올린 적이 있는데, 그때 왜 그랬을까요.... 담당 변호사도 아니면서 오해를 불러일으킬 여지를 제공하고 멋대로 단정 지은 점 죄송하게 생각합니다...

https://t.co/6DGzosBjFZ

X · Oct 11, 2025, 7:47 AM

[empty halo]

the reactions people online had to it was so fucking frustrating too, grown ass hags talking about how it's "normal in the industry" and theyre spoilt for complaining about bad conditions like this

[waxen musk]

Things haven’t stopped being submitted.

[empty halo]

ok bro let's send u to kpop trainees bootcamp, make u dance till ur body gives up, give you EDs, body image issues, 0 privacy, 0 time to yourself, bad living conditions and dormitories and little to no contact with friends and family. we'll see how long youll hold up at your big age

trainees have to go through all that as children, i cannot fathom how people normalise and justify this nonsense

and this has happened to other idols too actually? i think ive seen a similar response to other idols opening up about trainee struggles

[clear hill]

Also I don’t think anyone understands just how detrimental an ED is ESP during puberty which is usually the average age of most female trainees (I’m not sure about the male idols).

[empty halo]

agreed, i know its not good to make assumptions but judging by the industry and its standards in general, a vast majority of female idols even after debut most probably do have EDs and im sure their time as a trainee had an impact on that

[clear hill]

Also idgaf if idols aren’t considered workers in SK, why is it legally okay to restrict children going through puberty food??? I keep on thinking about momo having to lose a certain amt of kg to debut so all she’d eat were ice cubes. On top of daily dance practices, that’s borderline dehumanizing behaviour idc

[empty halo]

and its actually important to be aware of this esp as a young female fan so that you dont assume that these idols just stay "naturally thin" while remaining HEALTHY and hold yourself to the same standard

[clear hill]

Tbh it’s not even assuming ab the idols who have an ed. It’s about the general culture that’s considered standard practice that’s really concerning. As a parent I’d never let my child become a kpop idol because of this idc. Imagine going through all of that as a trainee and you never end up debuting.

[waxen musk]

I've been believing they could actually still use their IG (whether MHDHH or individual) without breaking the injunction. But it's just not worth the headache and a bunch of other very valid reasons for not doing so.

[empty halo]

absolutely, EDs are just generally very prevalent in the entertainment industry even in the west

[waxen musk]

She's been cryptic with her posts basically since before NJZ was a thing. But the funny thing is when she's not being cryptic, people assume she is being cryptic because of how often she has been in the past. So you never really know if she's sending a message or not. But I love the speculation.

[empty halo]

regardless, i wonder what these fans get from minimising the suffering of idols when they were kids. does calling other people spoilt make them feel better about themselves? does it make them face the harsh reality that their idol isnt just a happy shining star who were born with the skill sets and have struggled, suffered and been exploited a lot? does it the darkness of the industry break immersion for them?

[waxen musk]

Not new information here but the fact that comments on NJZ's side aren't even downvoted but just simply immediately deleted is just madness. I just know Tokkis are basically non-existent on all of reddit these days. https://x.com/theletter_Y/status/1976948364626608495

Ylon Musk 📭 Y 😑 (@theletter_Y)

Reddit entirely taken over by Hybe/Tag PR when it comes to Newjeans discussion. Mods on megathreads literally deleting posts/perma banning users/acs for simply, and in CIVIL terms trying to correct misinfo.This is not me, btw, I was banned months ago for correcting disinformation

X · Oct 11, 2025, 9:49 AM

[clear hill]

I think a lot of impressionable western fans who are extremely young that romanticize the idol life/kpop in general assume that most Asians have fast metabolism and that most Asian girls are thin for some reason that also feed into the normalization of Ed’s and unrealistic body standards in kpop. Ive actually heard ppl say this from lived experience as an Asian girl myself from school and from looking into the rabbit hole of wonyoungism/any looks related echo chamber online who praise East Asian beauty standards.

[empty halo]

that actually makes a lot of sense, very disturbing and racist 😭

[waxen musk]

Annoying thing is "normal" is more like "it has become the norm", but obviously it shouldn't be normal. I still don't understand the need to point out how normal it has become and how "ok" people are with the "norm".

[empty halo]

imagining your idol as just "naturally beautiful and thin" is also probably appealing to a lot of fans. they dont wanna face the dark truth of a scary amount of pressure and disordered eating weighing down on their idols.

[empty halo]

absolutely. i dont care if idols in the past did it too, theyll come to you and tell you it isnt good as well 😭

[clear hill]

Not only is it wrong and extremely weird to throw that around it just reinforces harmful stereotypes that people really need to get rid of in their heads.

[waxen musk]

I often wonder that if I never got into K-pop and realised everything I realise now about it's horrors (something I had some vague idea of before getting into it but not really), if I would even be here supporting NJZ or would have avoided even them. I still do follow K-pop but I'm always questioning myself if I even should.

I hate how people have commented on even NJZ member's weight and visual appearance, very often too. Obviously every time I read it I'm just baffled and assume it's just basic hateful behaviour and move on. But it's common.

[pseudo heath]

before I joined this server I would look at this mega thread and always found it weird how no one would support newjeans lol, now it makes a lot of sense

[clear hill]

Also I really don’t wanna be that person but it’s so extremely dystopian how a lot of kpop fans are convinced that these idols naturally look like that. A lot of Asians as well have this mentality. Even considering the plastic surgery norm in east Asia and being part of these cultures themselves a lot of ppl tend to have a hard time accepting that these existed naturally and weren’t a result of multiple cosmetic procedures.

[waxen musk]

edited to add "if I NEVER" lol (missed the most important word lol)

[empty halo]

same. I know that the entertainment industry in general isnt very ethical and awesome but it's so obvious and out-there in kpop. my interest in it has been dying except for the handful of groups I care about anyways so its fine lol, but in general I think pirating most of kpop is a good idea

[empty halo]

I know right, I mean im not sure but even people in korea dont seem to care as much as western fans about defending their idols "natural beauty" 😭

from what ive seen of Korean fans they do seem to be more aware of the fact that plastic surgery has been done

[compact creek]

reddit is impossible to save 🫩✌️

[waxen musk]

Probably because it's something they think about on a daily basis/have it advertised to them constantly/very common to get it as a young age in Korea. They're just more accepting and knowledgeable of it.

[empty halo]

its a cesspool of hybecels its actually wild

tag pr is honestly kinda crazy, I dont think any pr firm works the way they do. Im curious about their operations, how do they always one up their clients' enemies? ALWAYS?

[clear hill]

But some will genuinely look at u dead in the face and say that the before and after pictures are just a result of weight loss and losing baby fat.

[compact creek]

the amount of people switching between "they did this to themselves 😡" to still keeping tabs on what they do is wild

[clear hill]

Also it’s just extremely normalized in East Asian society to the point where most ppl from the west think of a kpop idol w multiple procedures when they think of an Asian person. It has warped their idea of what an Asian person looks like. Unfortunately beauty procedures are really common in Asia and there’s a lot of featurism involved.

[waxen musk]

reddit really scares me because of how forced upon you it often is in Google search results and also used in sourcing information for AI answers (something I've discussed here before). You know how it is for NJZ on reddit, but it's a narrative that isn't true. The same Twitter thread I linked above said that Baldoni is treated positively and it's because we know through the US courts it's because of TAG PR. The fact that Korean courts apparantly will never be able to prove this for NJZ because of how things work over there (don't ask me how, it's just what I've heard) is disheartening. Also being into Twich streamers for years and seeing how a subreddit like LSF has changed and how their mods control it is also extremely scary. The amount of controlling the narrative being done on reddit throughout multiple different unrelated topics just scares me. And of course Twitter is awful too in very similar ways with what is being pushed by the algorithm constantly (mostly negativity) but at least it allows for both sides of any argument to freely say things. (Still I'm getting off Twitter after 30 October regardless of what happens.)

[compact creek]

to them this isnt a serious situation its just "drama" like whatever redditors are insufferable

[clear hill]

Isn’t there some way to identify these ppl as being affiliated to Hybe/tag pr?😩someone just needs to come out of the woodworks and admit it honestly.

[empty halo]

erm actually 🤓 ☝️
when u hit puberty 🤓 ☝️
you lose fat :🤓 ☝️
and your face changes 🤓 ☝️
(the person who made this comment has not hit puberty yet)

[empty halo]

like mind ur businesssss omg

[clear hill]

Erm actually when you hit puberty you get a silicone nose bridge implant and a v chin!!! 🤓

[empty halo]

ur fucking facial bone gets shaved off, you get a blepheroplasty, rhinoplasty, lip lift and collagen shots 🤓 ☝️

[waxen musk]

The fact that I can't realistically tell if the NJZ members have got anything done (apart from teeth) and that a natural look is part of their marketing is a weird thing for me. Because some really bad Tokkis will argue with other group fans about their looks and then obviously they'll get hit back against the NJZ members and then the Tokkis will show old photos of the girls as young kids to show how similar they look. I hate that this is even happening in our fandom too. In English speaking part of the fandom, not even Korean. I ultimately don't care it's a complicated topic and extremely personal, but it still weirds me out.

[compact creek]

and at the very least dont spread info when ur not even updated on the situation

the amount of people
using sn*per as a source like u cannot be serious

[empty halo]

i do think theyve gotten some subtle work done but idgaf, they were beautiful before and are beautiful now.

also a lot of the people parroting this "puberty" bs are mostly kids going through puberty. it heightens their expectations of what theyll look like when theyre older

quite sad honestly

[clear hill]

Yea at the end of the day it’s just common practice for kpop fandoms to deny plastic surgery even though it’s literally standard procedure for ALL idols to at least get a consultation to see if they should get work done 😭

[cerulean lake]

they get mad at tokkis for not giving sources or say our sources are biased and then they would deadass pull sniper up as their source for whatever they’re trying to argue 🫩

[clear hill]

I’m pretty sure all of them have gotten work done. It’s best not to speculate and just assume every idol has gotten work done not because you’re so star struck by their beauty but simply bc it’s common practice in the industry. Even the most natural looking idols have probably gotten work done. Just small procedures to align the symmetry and facial harmony. And remember, beauty procedures aren’t all invasive. Some are skin whitening, veneers, Botox/fillers, etc.

[empty halo]

and let's assume some idols dont have surgery (very rare) they 100% get injections for glowy/lighter skin. a lot of these idols are going through PUBERTY with clear skin??? absolute BULLSHIT

like it actually makes 0 sense for a 15 year old to have no pimples and bumpy skin EVER, no amount of skincare and healthy diet can achieve that. they do get injected

[compact creek]

was arguing with this person on pinterest about using jasmine on yt as
a "neutral" source like girl
bsfr

[clear hill]

Yup. Every idol has gotten work done andit doesn’t have to be under the knife. People underestimate just how much companies invest in their idols’ appearance. When you’re an idol, you are under the spotlight and being perceived by the media non stop. They take into account EVERYTHING 😭

[compact creek]

like idchow u view the situation if u even think
about using sources like that ur argument is useless
to me

[empty halo]

agreed. I actually think Hyein is one of the few idols who hasnt gotten surgery imo. her face is quite well documented since she's been in the public eye since she was a kid. i mean she probably got veneers, but apart from that her features are mostly the same, and id never shame women for getting PS ofc (its their way of coping w societal standards) however, keeping your ethnic features is honestly very cool and i appreciate hyein for that

[clear hill]

It’s so funny too bc the same ppl who say tokkis r biased r the same ppl who are oddly... defensive.. over a particular company and a particular... chairman..

[empty halo]

there was a certain man in SK long ago, he was big and round and his eyes were flaming fraud

[clear hill]

But to army chicks he was such a lovely dear

[clear hill]

Completely unrelated but when they first debuted I wholeheartedly thought Hyein was the Vietnamese member 😭😭😭😭

[empty halo]

LMFAOOOO she does look SE asian ahahha

but she probably does look korean. its just that we're exposed to Koreans whose ethnic features are "toned down". their skin is whitened, their lips and noses are altered etc etc

and even average Koreans themselves partake in changing those features considering how common PS is in SK, changing the way we perceive how Koreans naturally look

[clear hill]

Nooo it’s not even that as a seasian myself!😭 tbf I didn’t pay attention to newjeans when they first debuted so I didn’t even know who was who. Also their 10 member era genuinely had me confused af on who was who 😭

[empty halo]

the era where you could only identify Danielle

hyein was defo the most distinguishable after dani to me at least and she also stuck in my mind bc she was one of the first idols who was born in the same year as me, which had me shook 😭 differentiating between haerin hanni and minji was so hard for me 😭

[clear hill]

Yea it was hanni Minji and Haerin for me too lmaoooo, esp hanni and Minji for some reason

[empty halo]

so true, if you stared long enough you could still identify haerins eyes

good ole days 💔

[waxen musk]

18 days left

-# I should probably wait until 09:50 AM KST to post how many days are left but I just do it after midnight in Korea. Daylight savings ends in the UK before the 30th so instead of the judgement being at 01:50 AM it will be 00:50 AM.

[waxen musk]

I'm currently hating how these reddit talking points are spread into other places for K-pop discussion. And because it's not reddit, I feel more compelled to explain my thinking of the situation without the fear of it being deleted. But I need to be patient.

[empty halo]

https://x.com/eeugeo/status/1976314524329459995

🛸 (@eeugeo)

HYBE’s Chairman Bang, currently under criminal investigations & banned from leaving South Korea, is once again clinging to his artists as a shield from his mounting negative PR.

Today, his #ONETEAM artists flaunted personal gifts from Bang, fueling speculation about his motives.

X · Oct 9, 2025, 3:51 PM

clinging to his artists for good press, hes pathetic. giving your artists gifts isnt gonna reduce ur jail time

😹

[empty jetty]

The common sense is never supporting the million dollar company so I doubt you would be on a different side

[hollow sorrel]

I wonder if these actually mean something and they are preparing or just random stuff

[waxen musk]

I don’t know.

Do you think that NJZ’s team would theoretically prepare (eg practice/time/money) this month for a comeback in the following months, not knowing the outcome of the court case?

If yes, it means they don’t need the court case to go their way to proceed.

Or they don’t care if they lose whatever they put in now, hoping for yet another chance at a later date.

[feral tapir]

i dont know but i feel like all the songs she adds to her story is her communicating with us by the titles

[empty halo]

they were pretty confident about dropping pit stop after the injunction results and it seemed to be ready for release

obviously the entire album isnt coming but theyre defo gonna drop pit stop if they win lmao

[waxen musk]

What does “dropping it” entail? Depends of course. Will it involve promotion cycle you come to expect? If so investment needs to be made before it happens. If investment is being made while uncertain if it goes to waste, what do you think about that?

[hollow sorrel]

I don’t think so they could lose a lot of resources if it doesn’t work out

I can imagine them crafting songs and coming up with ideas but definitely not shooting music videos

[waxen musk]

The investment for Pit Stop could have already been made ages ago. It’s just I’m wondering if they put more investment into it with the uncertainty. They can’t just simply do exactly what they were planning to do in April. They need to make some changes.

[hollow sorrel]

a lot of people also think we will get new stuff right after the verdict but it will probably take time for the legal teams to read through it and like process what it entails

I also think they will sign with a new label or get a lot of financial backing because you just can’t really survive in this industry being fully indie

[waxen musk]

As optimistic I am about them winning, I’m pessimistic in thinking they are putting in work now so they can be quick to be active again as soon as possible. I don’t see the rush being needed if it involves all this work being done during uncertain times. Just my thoughts.

I think the work starts after they win. Any previous completed work ready for April could be released asap, but not in the same state and with the same strategy.

Depends on if they care about strategy or if they just want to push out Pit Stop official audio on their socials finally as something quick and no effort involved.

[fathom onyx]

yea I can see Pit Stop being released immediately tbh

[clear hill]

Or maybe they have high hopes they’ll win

[short laurel]

so crazy. anyone else is kept at distance from artists over smallest of allegations. then here's hybe, keep connecting bsh someone with allegation of a huge crime, to their artists.

this is the same company who kicked out garam over false case. and didn't even protected her much.

[clear hill]

Also I notice whenever someone posts anything garam related, there’ll be responses from mostly lesserafim fans saying how we need to get over it.. it’s kinda weird imo

[waxen musk]

By strategy I mean caring about release timing and charts and promotion and preparing the girls to immediately perform and do interviews etc. A lot involved.

[clear hill]

If I were garam and I debuted just for me to get booted off the group bc of false allegations my media training would’ve been all for nothing bc I’d be pissed af 💀

[waxen musk]

It’s already bad enough trainees who don’t get to debut. I can’t imagine debuting and then immediately getting cut.

That’s without all the allegations and ruin to your reputation.

[clear hill]

Esp over false allegations. I might sound like a conspiracy nut head but I truly believe that was planned by Hybe and Hybe intentionally stirs controversies to promote their ggs.

[empty halo]

ikr, the korean groups under hybe? idk about their relationship w BSH, they probably trained under his presence from when they were very young. as for katseye, they live in LA. they engage w american executives and heads. I assure u they give 0 fucks about bongo. they were probably pushed to post this, which is so weird and funny. they BARELY have any relationship with him

he popped up here and there during their training period and did like a few photoshoots w them. it wouldve made more sense to use txt or lsrfm for this stunt

[clear hill]

The garam situation w lsf, illit and the manon situation w katseye. Maybe I’m being too crazy but it’s just a pattern I keep noticing

[empty halo]

oh but they havent had comebacks recently and katseye would bring the maximum attention since theyre relevant on social media rn 😝
this little shit annoys me SO MUCH

[empty halo]

bc they believe in and strive for as many likes and views on social media as possible and they dont care if it's negative, even if it destroys a minors career before it even starts 😜

[clear hill]

Discard then create a replacement. Rinse and repeat. 🤮

[short laurel]

actually going by hybe internal report. while allegation was not started by hybe, hybe did use it to promote the group.

[empty halo]

yeah I don't think they were responsible for the allegation starting but they definitely rode the wave of garam hate

dropped shady lsrfm tiktoks, had them re-record songs without her, probably released articles about how the grp would be great without her lmfao

[mild mist]

well certainly there was a lot of reddit push to jettison her, and knowing what we know about reddit...

[short laurel]

why hybe shareholders not saying anything about hybe associating a possible criminal with their active idols.

[waxen musk]

Oh my god I didn’t even realise the music MHJ posted on her Stories has a religious figure in it, similar to how BSH gifted religious figures.

[cerulean lake]

some just are outright denying it and i’m like you cannot be that dumb or have little to no media literacy 😭

[cerulean lake]

i thought so too but once you look at hanni, she def has viet features

[cerulean lake]

2 different religions but yeah idk 😭

[cerulean lake]

atp i don’t even care if they don’t have anything ready 😭 i just want them to be free on oct. 30th. i’ll be happy enough already even if it takes them months after to actually have content

[waxen musk]

Yeah of course, that's way more important. I'm not expecting anything right away. The only reason people are getting excited and talking about what they might do when they're free is because of these "clues" Tokkis keep imagining are there.

[waxen musk]

https://discordapp.com/channels/948917131989381173/948917817724514325/1426702389964177439 Nice to see a brand new reaction to Cookie and all the controversy surrounding it not even be mentioned.

[native anchor]

Lyrics aren't even controversial...

[waxen musk]

Exactly. But this is just proof if you don't pre-read the comments or get told about it... there's no reason to think about it being an issue.

[native anchor]

✅

[hollow sorrel]

I watched this same exact video today

[waxen musk]

lol the three of us must have very similar feeds

[clear hill]

Which is still shady to say the least imo

[clear hill]

Yeah I agree, she def looks seasian to me esp in pics of her when she was a child

[short laurel]

Us judge granted hybe request to get data of user from twitter???...

[empty jetty]

i dont think its hard to get that approved

[short laurel]

Why would they approve that though. It's clearly not misinformation to support 1 side of 2 arguing parties.

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1977030475178033449?t=xWqiE4Hmo1Tj38ZP7s2CYQ&s=19

MinotaurKard (@MinotaurKard)

This is organized campaign

"Every accusation is a confession"

X · Oct 11, 2025, 3:16 PM

[short laurel]

https://x.com/A_MaizingBlue/status/1977051037619093648?t=9ji3_CSiJyHveeAYtwBNwg&s=19

AmaizingBlue (@A_MaizingBlue)

Hybe in 2024: “She always centers herself with her group!”

“They act like they can’t go on without her and her team!”

Hybe 2025: “PD is important to the future of kpop and its expansion”

“Under the direction of PD”

“What will happen to his groups if PD goes down?”

X · Oct 11, 2025, 4:37 PM

[cinder narwhal]

lmaooo

[hollow sorrel]

looks like they are still submitting documents and Sejong is submitting experts’ opinions

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/NJZBAM2/status/1977341127603769742

YB (@NJZBAM2)

[NEWS] “Sell ADOR to a Third Party to Guarantee NewJeans’ Activities” Critics prepare a statement to submit to the court.

The verdict in the lawsuit over the invalidation of NewJeans’ exclusive contract with ADOR is approaching on October 30.

In the preliminary injunction

X · Oct 12, 2025, 11:50 AM

my heart just dropped because of the picture and [NEWS] but it’s very interesting

[empty halo]

good idea

daily prayer circle
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ NJZ will win 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[cinder narwhal]

nice

[short laurel]

it began after mhj accused in private and hybe made it public. so this part is wrong.

[orchid field]

Yeah she did it in a private, company only work email

[languid lark]

its always twisted words from hybe

[clear hill]

But let’s say hypothetically this is the conclusion... what would happen to the ador bg?

[hollow sorrel]

I'm guessing if there are trainees they would also be trasnferred.

but this whole thing is hypothetical and a suggestion since the court can't legally make HYBE/Bang Si hyuk sell ADOR but maybe he will sell it depending on his criminal case

[snow furnace]

ok then

[tall dew]

[clear hill]

If sejong provides more evidence that the current ceo of ador has no plans for ador/newjeans if they are still obligated to the contract/cant terminate it then that would give more leeway for ador to be potentially sold. Idk I’m not a llegal expert and this is all hypothetical😭

[vale grove]

😔 sigh, I’ll be back the 30th

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1977385514660511996

MinotaurKard (@MinotaurKard)

i was very wrong about that graphic artist.
everyone involved with the girls unfollowed her.

X · Oct 12, 2025, 2:46 PM

People are quick to judge what's happening based on unfollows on either side only to then realise it's not how it seemed earlier. I tend to ignore these things, except for this time it seemed more significant when Nayeon unfollowed Ador. I'll continue to ignore these things.

[wise basin]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1977390478111760457?t=sWaft6RZpVqaTgtkRvyR6g&s=33

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

Just so you know, all 3 og ador performance directors unfollowed this Nayeon
She already picked her side after unfollowing mhj and working for the new ador
She doesn’t follow MHDHH,but tagging the nj ador acc, she’s just promoting her work,herself. she’s not one of us

X · Oct 12, 2025, 3:06 PM

[orchid field]

Sooo we dropping nayeon again

[waxen musk]

17 days left

Inconclusive and hard to understand what Nayeon is actually doing. Just ignore.

[red thorn]

To me when people that actively on social media follow-unfollow, it matters... After all their social dynamic happen online too
Obviously can't judge, quick to speculate on what's happening but def there's something

[waxen musk]

It only means something when you understand what it means. Otherwise it leads to speculation that is so often wrong or premature in understanding.

It's nice to see some culture critics go try officially submit their opinion but it is a little bit flawed. Would be nice to see a lot more of this type of thing.

And now I’m seeing this regarding those critics. https://x.com/villain_gato/status/1977380309491704129?s=46

악당고양이 (@villain_gato)

ENG) i-tokkis!
Please refrain from making any comments about Byun Hee-jae or Media Watch until October 30. He's not an ally - he only gives the enemy an excuse to attack. 🙏

JPN) i-tokkis!
10月30日までは,邉熙宰(Byun

X · Oct 12, 2025, 2:26 PM

[short laurel]

any proof of this? i kinda like that critic article cuz it seems more neutral. even though there was 1 mistake on how it started.
we really lack neutral take on this, ppl are either heavy biased on njz mhj or on hybe.

https://x.com/njz_updateidn/status/1977400070292271585

njz update (@njz_updateidn)

Byun Hee-jae (변희재) adalah tokoh media dan komentator politik konservatif di Korea Selatan yang cukup kontroversial.

Belakangan ikut menyinggung isu NewJeans dan Min Hee-jin.
Dalam konteks baru-baru ini, dia mulai membicarakan kasus HYBE–ADOR–Min Hee-jin dengan nada politis,

X · Oct 12, 2025, 3:44 PM

probably this i guess.

[cinder narwhal]

yeah it's just self promotion idk what's so bad about it. it's not like she's credit grabbing other people's work. she still worked on newjeans in the end

[wise basin]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1977410863981301846?t=FanuQ-L6FkKAAGIrfwJ_lg&s=33

. (@TokkiLoops)

OP: Sat on the same roller coaster as Minji

While we were lining up, she was standing near us and looked so much like Minji. We didn’t expect that we’d actually end up riding the same roller coaster!

After the ride ended, my friend immediately ran over and carefully asked if

X · Oct 12, 2025, 4:27 PM

[empty halo]

am i tripping or does this bunny lowkey look like a labubu

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/mitzubao/status/1969436389327716624

mitzu🐇 (@mitzubao)

the it's so over we're so back cycle

X · Sep 20, 2025, 4:20 PM

[short laurel]

Personally i find these designs cute but i really do not like ador using bunnies.
N no they look different from labubu

[vale grove]

I agree with this, people don’t unfollow for nothing when they literally aren’t online. It’s to make a statement. But also we are just some randoms and like u said we can’t be too quick to speculate when we aren’t on the inside. I really respect her as an artist so I hope this is just tokkis jumping the gun

[waxen musk]

People are all respectful (when face to face) and everything but then they clearly taking video that looks like they’re trying to do it without Minji noticing. People just get too excited, I don’t think it’s a big deal but just not ideal.

[short laurel]

imagine the person sitting with her or behind her or in front of her.

[waxen musk]

People were also claiming today that they saw Hyein and then attached an old photo. It’s funny how conditioned I’ve become to immediately do a reverse image search.

Anyway it’s unavoidable as a celeb. I’m surprised there aren’t more sightings and photos taken.

I agree with all of this and have talked about how losing ends up with both sides losing. https://x.com/minotaurkard/status/1977413278793179430?s=46

MinotaurKard (@MinotaurKard)

Pleeaaassee understand this

There is zero chance of a buyout or any related nonsense because this has never been about "the" money. If it were, KNC would have terminated the contract and filed a compensation lawsuit last year (the famous "hundreds of millions of dollars" fine).

X · Oct 12, 2025, 4:37 PM

It makes you question about how a “just pay the fines” situation might not be as simple as that if they lose.

[short laurel]

actually it's possible there's more sighting but people choose to not post about it. remember we got hanni sighting post but poster choose to post it a month later. maybe after 30th we get tons of these posts.

[short laurel]

appeal court was invalid anyways since one judge is related to hybe lawyers. but njz team didn't do anything about this cuz it wouldn't matter after 30th.

but still i wish to c some action by korea against the appeal court judges. cuz that's really too openly corrupt.

[hollow sorrel]

so how are they submitting this to the court? Is it like when during the first injunction Team Bunnies did a petition? It's interesting and reading the critics' opinion it just seemed like what they think is a good solution, but not really an actual draft or idea for a solution because the ownership of ADOR is not that relevant to the case?

[waxen musk]

Yeah I don’t know. It’s like a petition thing I think. And their suggestion seems unlikely to happen anyway I don’t know how much they thought it through. Not sure how much it helps but I don’t think it can hurt the case. I haven’t looked into why people are distrusting of one of the critics. Of course I agree with the majority of the article regarding NewJeans’ cultural importance and how they are still profitable during a hiatus and made multiples of money back after initial investment from Hybe. None of this is new stuff. It’s just after reading other people’s opinions I also agree the sale of ADOR seems unlikely.

I really think Ador and Hybe are stubborn and how they’ve acted and everything they’ve done is unlikely to be reversed and they’re unlikely to change their minds. Anything that could happen now could also have happened at any point in the past. It’s repeatedly obvious they will rather play things out until the final date rather than consider other options that may even benefit them. They’re going down with the sinking ship out of pure hatred and not for any smart business reasons.

[short laurel]

#1231839760759263232 message is the only thing i found on critic thing.

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1760284669:f>

from namnyann

probably this i guess.
[Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[waxen musk]

Yeah I don’t really understand it to be honest. It’s not detailed enough for me to go oh yeah I understand why you shouldn’t trust this critic.

Well obviously I understand, but I haven’t seen the examples of what this person has said.

[short laurel]

have to translate alot of his articles to understand. unfortunately can only trust koreans on this as we are doing for alot of njz and mhj related news.

[waxen musk]

Yeah as always.

[trim nebula]

guys what is going to happen on october 30th

[waxen musk]

A judgement will be made to determine if the girls' contracts with Ador are valid or have been broken.

[empty jetty]

We either celebrate or go inactive for 3 years(joke but not joke)

[trim nebula]

aren't they free from them already 😔

[waxen musk]

Last year the girls said the contract is broken and they are free. Earlier this year judges gave an injunction to stop them from doing all activities independent from Ador. At the end of this month that injunction stopping them will end and we will know if we celebrate their freedom or not.

I could go into a lot more detail but usually people who ask what's happening in such a general matter need to know the basics first.

[trim nebula]

and what are the chances of being free from them

[waxen musk]

Good chance it could go positively or negatively.

I'm optimistic. But I was optimistic before the horrible judgement earlier in the year that enforced an injunction on them.

[trim nebula]

but either way we could hear from them after the injunction ends right? or no...

[empty jetty]

We gotta prepare for the worst and hope for the best

[waxen musk]

I would say there would be nothing technically stopping them from saying something after that date. But whether they will or not is a different question. Especially if they lose.

[trim nebula]

prayers guys prayers 🙏

[tall dew]

[trim nebula]

but if they lose, is it really the end or we can get through it

[waxen musk]

A loss is absolutely not the end.

I'll just tell you the worst case scenario which is the girls deciding to do nothing until 2029.

[trim nebula]

so technically there is no loss for us!

[trim nebula]

😧 , i'll be 23...

[waxen musk]

But likely more legal processes can happen. People keep saying they could just pay a fine to break free. There are options.

Anyway like I said I'm very optimistic for a win. Just be aware it's extremely uncertain.

[wicked timber]

"At the end of this month that injunction stopping"
so it was only valid for a year? no matter if they win or lose, this restriction ends oct 30?

[waxen musk]

The injunction ends with the judgement coming on October 30.

I'm making it sound too simple. It's hard to say what an injunction ending with them losing means. It's much easier to understand what happens if they win.

[wicked timber]

could it be that it actually benefited their case long term?
I imagine the opposition would've had more attacking surface if they were promoting outside of Ador

[trim nebula]

wait if they win that means they are free forever and will go active again right ????

[waxen musk]

Basically yes. They won't be NewJeans, though. They'll be NJZ. There will be more fights, for the rights to their IP (old songs, etc.) and other things, I'm sure.

[trim nebula]

but they are gone from their name newjeans forever or there is still chance..

[waxen musk]

I don't really know how to answer this. It wasn't the girls' choice, and they would be very active all this year if not for the injunction. I don't think the girls would have strategically chosen to stop activites just for this lawsuit to benefit them, so I disagree I think.

[wicked timber]

Either ways, they will climb back regardless of name.

[waxen musk]

I said there will be more fights. Legal fights for their name NewJeans and everything that comes with it. Something they have already said they would fight for. But expect that to take even longer. It's separate from this legal case ending soon.

[trim nebula]

okok got it

[waxen musk]

All good.

[wicked timber]

feel like all these losses will come around this time

[empty jetty]

Im optimistic about everything tho

I do feel like at some point in time we will see them perform as newjeans(and also perform THEIR old songs), but we will have to wait some time

[waxen musk]

There's no reason to not be optimistic after how everything went in the courts, in my opinion. We're only scared and uncertain because the injunction proves how corruption can overcome logic.

I've probably repeated myself hundreds of times but I'm happy to make sure people understand the situation. Just saying sorry to those regulars here who already know all this and have to endure my yapping.

I hate how sometimes I feel wildly different emotions and how much it occupies my mind. I need to go on a rollercoaster like Minji did today.

[empty jetty]

Poor Minji can’t catch a break

[dark jackal]

Mostly yes but they’ll come back as NWJS but I’m sure they will keep fighting for newjeans liek they said

[viscid prism]

Njz

[wise basin]

Until 2029 is a slur 🙁
Like people die !!!
I wouldn't survive

[waxen musk]

I said worst case scenario for a reason. Didn’t say it’ll likely happen.

[fathom onyx]

😭

[wise basin]

Yeah ik im like please god NOOO

[rugged dagger]

worst case is they have enough of the industry and stop

[waxen musk]

Eh imagine if it was worse than 2029.

[waxen musk]

I’m surprised they haven’t already got fed up. They still fighting and that ain’t changing any time soon.

[rugged dagger]

honestly

[waxen musk]

If they want to stop working in the industry I’ll understand, be sad, and wish them the best.

Only thing can make me happy is them not being miserable.

[wise basin]

Same

[waxen musk]

Them being forced to wait until 2029 is legit worse than them changing careers voluntarily.

[wise basin]

Just thinking abt it gives me anxiety

[waxen musk]

It is not even worth discussing tbh. So many better things of varying degrees are more likely to happen.

[wise basin]

True

[ashen charm]

If we have sacrifice bernice for njz comeback well let's get the grill ready

[waxen musk]

Bernice is already a POW.

[ashen charm]

So no grill then

[frozen granite]

I don’t think the girls would wait that long, we’ll get an answer oct 30th

[fathom onyx]

I'm frickin anxious ngl

[hoary frost]

[clear hill]

Same. Bc at the end of the day the only branding we recognize from ador is the logo itself. No bunny symbolism whatsoever. I find it extremely cheap and tacky for hybedor to follow suit of the bunny symbolism despite it having ties to newjeans and newjeans only. Esp considering the hybedor legal standing rn.

[clear hill]

At the end of the day they’ll go down as one of the most iconic and legendary kpop groups. There will never be a group to debut like newjeans.

[waxen musk]

When I see the Spotify stats and see tens of thousands of new or returning listeners per day, I don't think they will ever be forgotten, seriously.
You know how humble the girls are and how their massive success never really had its chance to settle in before everything happened... I kind of feel the same way as a fan. I see these numbers and I'm still surprised.
I was really thinking them coming back from "scratch" as NJZ would really make it a struggle with the numbers (not that I particularly care), but I think fans of NJZ will absolutely make them viral at least on places like TikTok and Instagram, and the rest will follow.