NJZ Updates and Discussion

[empty halo]

we ❤️ you choi yumi

they had to be behind to complexcon looks. they were so good

oh shes styled adp a few times.... well shes a freelancer and shes not their hair stylist so whatever

[pseudo heath]

my goated stylist

[upbeat stream]

I have an inkling that Choi Yumi was the creative director of their njz rebrand and complexcon. mhj was perhaps not involved

[red thorn]

Hmmm possible
But usual NJ production usually no one-man Creative Director role aka CD as top creative hierarchy like usual kpop

[empty halo]

choi yumi was defo involved in the styling but i dont rlly have any doubt in my mind the mhj is atleast in some capacity involved w pit stop as a whole. also isnt choi yumi more of a stylist? as in she styles the idols. has she been involved in overall creative direction before?

[short laurel]

even if mhj is not directly involved in pitstop. girls learned from her so her influence is there.

[snow furnace]

i just realized that will be 9/11 (?)

[heady gate]

correct

[storm warren]

yep, njz built connections and relationships with bana, mv directors etc via mhj. even if she is not involved, these ppl can grasp njz's essence and are there to work with njz

[feral tapir]

let them cook

[fathom onyx]

they can make it, they just gotta connect

[waxen musk]

Who do we know who worked with the girls on Pit Stop? I think all we can assume are the dance teachers because of the dance studio they rented/borrowed is associated with them. It's really interesting how no other staff "leaked" out, even those coordinated with ComplexCon, etc. Who else can we assume with certainty?

[empty jetty]

It’s supposedly produced by 250 and written by Gigi and Minji

[waxen musk]

I thought that was made up lies.

[empty jetty]

I saw something like that a long time ago

Slowmode kills this awfully

[waxen musk]

I saw it too. Never was verified.

[empty jetty]

It has a lot of 250 vibes tho, while I won’t confirm it or say it’s the absolute truth it makes some sense ig

[red thorn]

Based on my own guess hair stylist is Gabe Sin, clothes styling is Choi Yumi, photoshoot probably still Siyoung Song too
Now if they were did the production just like at ador era, there should be producer as director at top hierarchy rather than a CD

[upbeat stream]

No Gigi is definitely true. I remember 100% seeing it on her own ig. I can't find her account anymore though and I didn't take any screenshot. But tokkis did post about it on twt at the time

[waxen musk]

Good to know.

[empty jetty]

Gigi pencil is 🔥 btw

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1905996767310840051?t=fYJ172KaUxEgnlJbjeNQWA&s=19

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

NJZ Pit Stop lyrics by gigi

X · Mar 29, 2025, 2:53 PM

[waxen musk]

I can’t find that account on Instagram right now.

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, that's what I said. I used to follow them, but the account is seemingly deleted

[waxen musk]

Poop

[fathom onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[analog depot]

Is it bored rumours but why is their loads of people insisting there’s a confirmed comeback for newjeans in November..?? I’ve even seen people insisting there’s a Korean news about it but I can’t find anything

[waxen musk]

People are manifesting because October 30 is when we'll find out if they can actually have a comeback or not (if mediation this Thursday fails).

I don't know if after a win if November is realistic or not. Could be.

Anyway I just saw what you probably saw, and that Koreaboo article linked on /r/kpop is completely fake.

(It neither exists on /r/kpop nor Koreaboo. It's just a Twitter screenshot.)

Shit. I just realised it's Monday in Korea. This week could be eventful.

[heady gate]

A trend shows more media play published articles 5 days before the court hearing. Same thing occurred on the last hearing.

[vale grove]

This is so crazy, seems like they are missing njz so much

[subtle matrix]

Basically impossible

Even if there is a ruling on October 30 there's no way they are able to release anything the month after, even assuming they have kept working on a comeback

They could release pitstop but there won't be a real comeback for at least 4-5 months I imagine

[cinder narwhal]

why not

[frozen granite]

Someone said that they could still make a comeback whether they win or lose they’d just have to pay ?

[frozen granite]

Better than years

[waxen musk]

If they win they don't have to pay. But maybe. Up to the girls.

[frozen granite]

I wonder if team bunnies will help in some way

[fleet nebula]

Nothing is certain with the loss and what penalties may be imposed by the judge. Just estimations.

[short laurel]

not really. they can cb in december if they have been working on one so far. november is rushed yea, they have to recoord mv n video editing.

[cinder narwhal]

if they record something while injunction was in effect i understand that it can't be released without repercussions.
but what about those made before the injunction?

[short laurel]

i'd still give them november to make preparation and promotions. they have to advertise it afterall. it's not easy to pull of another attention(no promo release)

[cinder narwhal]

why not? people are hungry i think it'll work

[short laurel]

they will need time to also prepare for promos after release. like booking at mushows, youtube guest, etc.

[upbeat stream]

Same, I saw a post on Xiaohongshu saying njz is returning in November and everyone believed it lol. The comments were so hype

[raven kelp]

pitstop mv drop on oct 31

[pseudo heath]

Novemeber 1st

[cinder narwhal]

ig live on 9/12

[heady gate]

I think MHJ has to win her shareholder case. She needs funding to create a new company.

[subtle matrix]

Even if they've been working on a comeback I very much doubt they have recorded anything

Which means they would have less than 2 months to sign contracts, possibly to a completely new label, produce multiple songs, record at least 1 MV, do promotional photoshoots and the like, produce merch and other promotional items

[upbeat stream]

I think they probably did record stuff to release before the injunction prevented them. But yeah, they may release a few songs, but a proper comeback will take months

They could do stuff like complexcon again

[subtle matrix]

I think they can probably release pitstop until the end of the year, but won't do a proper comeback until March or so

[cinder narwhal]

lol i didn't know the comment got deleted too

[short laurel]

we are assuming that if they did prepare some stuff during this time. or be4 injunction and predicting a single release to be possible by December. even they are considered a come back in kpop. proper album will obviously take months.

[waxen musk]

It doesn't feel like they've been secretly working during the injunction, but it also didn't feel like they had been secretly working before Pit Stop's performance. They were good at working secretly back then.

I don't know if any commercial work can be done if no money is exchanged during this injunction if it has the intention of later becoming commercial after the injunction is lifted.

Obviously I expect whatever future work to have at least had been discussed and thought about. I doubt the injunction prevents even their thoughts to have been prevented. (Joking obviously.)

It's very possible Dani's been in the studio at her home and played around. Very possible Hanni wrote more songs for herself and potentially for NJZ. Very possible that while keeping up with dance practice even if it was just relatively casual and more as a hobby during the injunction, that they learnt some things with the same teachers that they'd use as NJZ that could be incorporated into future choreographies. You know what I mean?

[old cypress]

They can write produce and record songs informally, nothing is stopping them and it's not like FRNK/250 are strangers

though it's unlikely that they did record and master songs, they probably have demos or mixes

[short laurel]

Yea.
We are all just assuming. For a proper album or mini it'll take months but a single is possible in December if they have worked on something rough during this time.

[heady gate]

It is Sep 9 KST. 3 more days

[upbeat stream]

2 days (and few hours)

[fathom onyx]

wow

[vale grove]

😢 another emotional rollercoaster for us and the girls

[fathom onyx]

true

[cerulean lake]

if the mediation goes nowhere, the true emotional rollercoaster is gonna be oct 30 😭

[native anchor]

yep

[heady gate]

That is why Danielle started running.

[fathom onyx]

smart if true, running is very good for mental health

[analog depot]

This, I know everyone’s excited and manifesting for comeback asap but it feels like some people are not thinking about the girls mental health at all like yes we all want new music from them but let’s let our girls rest, hopefully celebrate and recover

[feral tapir]

i agree

[waxen musk]

They could be as impatient as a lot of us and ready to work immediately, or they could be so nervous and need some time to slowly warm up to performing again. Who knows.
To be honest I think we could all survive another couple of months if all they did was give us the actual release of the Pit Stop song, not even the MV.
People have all different expectations which comes with not knowing what they've been up to.
I don't know how much was planned immediately following the Pit Stop performance at ComplexCon. Maybe they just release what they already had planned or maybe they don't. Who knows.

Things were so silent last week and are still silent at the start of this week. I expected more media play or something. Even stuff to do with MHJ or BSH has been extremely quiet.

[cerulean lake]

i think people are willing to wait as long as it is confirmed that they have escaped the depths of the hybe hellhole

[heady gate]

I am just curious which member will show up on Sep 11. I am hoping to see Haerin.

[fleet nebula]

Minji + Dani or Minji + Hanni

[empty jetty]

I don’t think Haerin likes those type of environments

[cinder narwhal]

what makes you say so

[honest sky]

Nobody likes those type of environments

[empty jetty]

She’s a super introverted person(she’s said it and is widely known)

[empty halo]

fr

who'd wanna be surrounded by lawyers in a mediation meeting

[pseudo heath]

[feral tapir]

i don't think it's about wether someone likes it or not it's more about how the person can handle being there

[empty halo]

yes, which is why i think its gonna be any of the 3 older members

[short laurel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1965284594720317551?t=Av94fpMXbY7Fwh2xihmMZg&s=19
Topstarnews neutral n fair

1tokki (@juantokki)

ADOR employee accused of ‘liking’ malicious comments about NewJeans?…“Can’t be dismissed as a simple mistake”
https://t.co/XLBtH8OQF8
Top Star News reporter Seo Seung-ah

With just two days left until the second mediation session in the lawsuit over the validity of NewJeans’

X · Sep 9, 2025, 5:22 AM

[waxen musk]

TOMORROW
-# technically in Korea

[pseudo heath]

lol

[fathom onyx]

DAMN

[heady gate]

It is Sep 10 KST

[fathom onyx]

I'll prob be sleeping and wake up to the news

[waxen musk]

I think a successful mediation is still lower than 50% but is preferential primarily because the risk of loss on October 30 remains.

[empty halo]

have more hope 😭

ador and mhdhh will settle

[cerulean lake]

maybe the hybe paycheck didn’t come in yet 😭

[empty halo]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[empty halo]

I think a lot of websites like pann arent rlly under hybes paycheck all the time tbh. they just post whatever will get the most clicks, sometimes its favourable to nwjns and sometimes its not. whatever is more in trend at the time lmao

like when the hybe fraud allegations were coming out they started being more favourable to nwjns talking about how their profits were siphoned off or wtv

[hollow sorrel]

I don't get it. If she's already testifying as a witness why is there a request for her to appear in court?

[short laurel]

No. Topstarnews i only ever seen decent post from them. Not much hybe influence on them.

[cerulean lake]

oh yeah pann is like just whatever bc they just report whatever is trending on pann itself but i was mainly talking abt those “journalism” or tabloid papers

[cerulean lake]

hmm interesting 🤔. maybe someone there actually has morals or they’re beefing w/ bsh

[heady gate]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1965510108122939487

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

Exclusive - BSH (Chairman of HYBE - 방시혁)to be summoned by the police on the 15th at 10 AM KR time

https://t.co/0nkAqnrY91

X · Sep 9, 2025, 8:18 PM

[waxen musk]

FINALLY

[blazing sky]

can someone tell me what this means 😭 saw it on twt https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1965415586021998823

MHDHH Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop)

👀👀👀👀

X · Sep 9, 2025, 2:02 PM

[pseudo heath]

Hes got to go

[waxen musk]

Coyseio is a clothing brand. It seems as if they are just referencing Bunnies and the girls' representative animals to advertise this new product. Obviously they cannot make it an official collaboration whilst the injunction is active.

[blazing sky]

yeah i figured, got my hopes up real quick 😭

[waxen musk]

It's not like those animals are copyrighted or exclusive to NJZ so unless they literally add an NJZ logo, they can do what they want. Any company can. The difference is that Coyseio has a long history of working with the girls so that adds to the desire of this product.

[pseudo heath]

maybe its also cause haerin was wearing coyseio at the dentists

[waxen musk]

She has worn Coyseio countless times when we've seen her publicly since last year. I wouldn't call it an official collaboration, similar to Bape and many other brands. They just want their clothes worn by celebrities as a form of advertising, without any strict contract like there would be for Nike or Calvin Klein. Different strategies for different brands.

Anyway BSH's summoning is so much more important but I have way less to yap about regarding that.

[waxen musk]

I have Sniper blocked but someone said that they shared the location of the dentist Haerin was seen at. WHY THE HELL?

[empty jetty]

He a weirdo

[heady gate]

Someone will find Sniper location and share it in the future

[cinder narwhal]

get a sniper on sniper

[bronze talon]

gulp (maybe we should)

[empty halo]

hes most definitely an old hag who has an obsession w stalking teen kpop idols so why not

[cerulean lake]

someone should dox sniper and then say “oops”. he needs to get a taste of his own actions

[dense bramble]

why we got people worrying abt what dentist kpop idols go to bro what info do u get out of that 💔

[cerulean lake]

not that i support doxing/bullying but i do not care for those who do that and then cry out loud once it happens to them. it’s literally karma

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/haerin1st/status/1965574543113916523 😭

✿ (@haerin1st)

imagine being so unproblematic that your haters have to make up stories like acting as if you drinking at 20 is some kind of ‘serious issue’ 😂

X · Sep 10, 2025, 12:34 AM

[bronze talon]

LMAO

[empty jetty]

BPD will be spotted in a cell 3 months from now on, I hope he posts that too

[cinder narwhal]

no, no bunnies is paying him to talk about bang

[heady gate]

hold on. Sniper found out the dentist office, but he can't find this restaurant. Strange.

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/entertainment/k-pop/20250910/bang-si-hyuk-to-be-summoned-over-stock-manipulation-probe-on-sept-15

[heady gate]

I believe this is the first English article about the BSH case.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1965615930140238136

1tokki (@juantokki)

[Exclusive] Min Hee-jin Wins Mass Lawsuits Against Malicious Commenters… Damages Awarded One After Another
https://t.co/LOAa6oKDFe
By Ahn Se-yeon, Herald Economy

- Sued 19 malicious commenters, won against 13 of them

- 70% win rate… damages of 50,000–300,000 KRW per person

X · Sep 10, 2025, 3:18 AM

[red thorn]

Side quests

[pseudo heath]

such a weirdo

• I just find out what this guy says about other idols, he needs to go

[heady gate]

I'm looking forward to more BSH's case development from Sep 15 to Oct 30.

[short laurel]

i doubt that. they probably supported by opposition in politics so they not focus on hybe.

remember no media in todays age has morals. everyone is biased.

[feral tapir]

people are so fucked up wth is wrong with them

[short laurel]

https://x.com/pinksview/status/1965516496446390443

َ (@pinksview)

BTS fans, armys, filed a police report against LISA for winning an award at the 2025 VMAs.

X · Sep 9, 2025, 8:43 PM

[tawdry vessel]

[mild mist]

Normal people

Now if they'd reported her for the crime of making those horrible labubu dolls popular...

[opaque flicker]

now how does this relate to nj

[feral tapir]

these are the most braindead people i swear💀

[native anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

Me trying to figure it out

[languid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/minji-minji-thinking-minji-reaction-minji-confused-minji-meme-gif-4601050264200193439

[cinder narwhal]

nj could never 😭

[opaque flicker]

am just waiting for them to come and delete themselves

coming here with some bs

[old cypress]

farming money ez

[pulsar wasp]

Lalisa was never the one to popularize Labubus. She hoped on the bandwagon. NJZ would’ve hopped on the trend as well, cause they’re so darn cute

[empty halo]

labubus started collaborating and releasing dolls with popmart in like 2019, it was lisa who was spotted w a labubu in april 2024 and thats when it blew up

[upbeat stream]

Yeah it's even mentioned on their wikipedia

[clear hill]

No not really,,, popmart,skull pandas, blind box figures etc already have a tight knit community,, it’s like saying hanni popularized sonny angel hippers bc she was seen w one even tho sonny angels were already popular before her

[empty halo]

thats the point, labubus had a smaller tight knit consumer base but they became extremely mainstream bc of lisa being seen w them multiple times

lisa made them a huge trend

[clear hill]

I’m not really a blackpink fan so personally i can’t really say they’ve contributed to the rise of labubus bc I’ve never seen them on my feed w one lol

[empty halo]

i dont think the other members have labubus, just lisa. multiple other celebrities adopted them into their bags/accessories afterwards which sort of muddied the waters, but overall even the bbc credits her w making them a global trend in 2024-25

why are we talking about labubus and lisa

[clear hill]

Girl idk 😭

[heady gate]

What is the relationship between Labubus and NJZ update sub?

[frozen granite]

wtf

[upbeat stream]

Today's the day

[pseudo heath]

Tonight's the night

[rare dune]

hold hands and manifest

[empty halo]

--prayjeans

[tall dew]

[pseudo heath]

[fathom onyx]

[waxen musk]

11 hours. Not shitting myself yet but there's still time for that.

I do want the mediation to succeed. Not because I'm impatient (I am regardless) but because I cannot imagine what October 30 will feel like.

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[waxen musk]

I think that whoever shows up at the mediation will perhaps give some clues into what the girls are feeling going into it. If nobody shows up, it will appear as if they don't seem as hopeful in a settlement. If Minji and Dani show up again, which I kind of expect, it shows that things are basically the same as before, which doesn't sound too hopeful, but also is ambigious enough that maybe things could still go positively. If at least three of them show up (Minji, Hanni and Danielle for example), then it shows they are really willing to achieve a settlement.

I'm obviously overthinking it but I can't help myself.

[empty jetty]

If all 5 go I’ll be happy af

[pseudo heath]

For tommorow i think only two will go, october 30th they'll probably all attend

for now we can only pray that things go well tommorow, if they dont im sure they'll pull through on October 30th

[waxen musk]

I don't think October 30 is something to attend. I don't know for sure. It's simply just a final judgement after long consideration.

[pseudo heath]

But i feel like since its the final judgement they'll all be there no?

[waxen musk]

I don't know for sure. But I don't think any previous judements for other cases realted to NJZ or MHJ have required their attendance. What would they need to attend for? They're not there to argue extra things or talk, they would just be there to hear the news. I dunno, someone let me know.

[pseudo heath]

true, overall it doesn't matter if they attend or not i just hope it works out in their favour

[waxen musk]

Almost forgot MHJ's thing is happening too. Big day.
Haven't seen anyone mention what time.

[empty jetty]

Best case scenario we get 2 Ws today

I hope that they settle things and they get some way to prevent Hybe to spread misinformation/hate

[empty halo]

🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ they will settle 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[pseudo heath]

the candles LMFAO

I respect the dedication

[hushed whale]

3pm i think

[waxen musk]

Find a source and I’ll update schedule

[opaque flicker]

big day tomorrow

[native anchor]

quite

[pulsar wasp]

[analog depot]

Just looked into this guy..dare they call themself a bunny..they lwk stupid in their posts

I didn’t realise how many people have the idea the Olens advertising was done recently and are tryna suggest that NJZ are money hungry- being fine with ADOR when it comes to money

[pseudo heath]

hes such a weirdo

[analog depot]

Haerin picture and banner but actively hating on newjeans with information he pulled out his ass

Like what side r u on!!!!

[tawdry vessel]

stop giving that idiot any attention

[analog depot]

We must just focus on tomorrow and hope for the best for now

[torn idol]

this dude is a joke 🥀

[heady gate]

7 hours to go.

[fathom onyx]

hope I wake up w good news 😅

[pseudo heath]

you will

[rare dune]

hoping for good news before i sleep

[pseudo heath]

newjeans will be free

[rare dune]

i’ll get the best sleep ever

[pseudo heath]

i wont be sble to sleep, il wait till they drop music

[red thorn]

This person saying all 5 should attend? Any other source that can validate the info?

[upbeat stream]

The screenshot is from the court docket and doesn't say anything about attendance

I don't think there's any source yet that says so. Last time, Yonhap reported about an hour earlier that 2 members will attend. We only learned that it's Husseyz when they showed up

[red thorn]

I see

[heady gate]

We will tell you the correct answer within 5 hours.

[waxen musk]

Saw confirmation MHJ’s thing is at 15:00 KST.

[pseudo heath]

you got an idea of how long it could be or nah?

[waxen musk]

No idea but they’re never that long.

[heady gate]

I think last time, MHJ hearing case time was longer than prior.

[pseudo heath]

alr hopefully not too long cause it starts at 7:00 for me. Ty though

[heady gate]

I hope MHJ wins, she needs money.

[bronze talon]

im pretty sure this goes to oct 30
bc no way all of a sudden ador pulls out and gives them a OK to be no part of ador anymore and settle on something like them getting lets say 30% for 3 years (idk man)

[fathom onyx]

real 😭

[cerulean lake]

true i dont expect much but ill rather they settle than have that possibility of losing on oct 30th

[cerulean lake]

yeah he’s probably some jobless incel stalking every njz page bc somehow he knows more about them than tokkis 😖

hate how he had to pay for his own checkmark so it’s even harder to take his page down

[rare dune]

i’m not expecting anything but let’s keep our head up

[bronze talon]

ye

[cinder narwhal]

hybe sponsored*

[heady gate]

4 hours

[cinder narwhal]

random thought: i kinda want nj to redebut with a surprise 6th member just to see reactions

*that's not mhj.... 😮‍💨

[heady gate]

the 6th member

[fathom onyx]

Heesoo finally joining the group

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-nwjns-njs-gif-27277032

[bronze talon]

real lmao
but nah i want them to stay like they are rn, diff theme, new name (or not) is all i ask for

[waxen musk]

I just want them to be free and happy. I’m already satisfied with what they gave us. I do feel bad for everyone else who didn’t get to see them live.

[rare dune]

they never came near me 💔

[bronze talon]

it might come over as greedy or selfish but i do want them to release more, i mean who doesnt, duh
be it diff song styles idc, theres so much they can discover as a group in the music industry and field, so many opportunities and i think they arent even fully "stuffed" with songs and content creation, i think they themselves wanna do so much more, show us everything they can and what they showed so far might satisfy me in a way but i still long for more and im sure they do too

[waxen musk]

They will. Just who knows when. When is the issue. Not if.

[cerulean lake]

i hope even if other music shows “blacklist” them, they can still do a lot of variety shows like on youtube or smth

[heady gate]

they can go to a different country

[cinder narwhal]

yeah they can go on noontime entertainment shows in my country 😭

[cerulean lake]

those are good ways to promote yourself. i think that’s how nmixx gained more popularity/recognition in korea bc haewon was like really funny on those youtube shows.

the girls are already known too so like doing this can promote their “new” brand if they do have to change things around

[cinder narwhal]

do that camping show with na pd

[bronze talon]

and by now everyone in korea knows that this big scandal is going on for this long. everyone is missing them
when they come back its gonna spread like covid, everyone will tune in and know about it

[ashen charm]

I'd rather have them pay and leave then some how lose on October 30th because the justice system in korea I just don't trust

[bronze talon]

isnt losing exactly this? them having to pay if they lose?
well they dont have to but if they wanna get out

[ashen charm]

It's not about losing its about being free from hybe any way possible becuase there is a possibility they lose on the 30th it's 50/50

[bronze talon]

no what im saying is, if they lose it doesnt mean they have to go back to ador, they can still chose to leave and pay a fine

[heady gate]

we will give you the answer on Oct 30

[ashen charm]

If they lose the contract is still valid and they would have to return pay the full amount of the contract that is owed

[stone grotto]

jaejoong from dbsk/jyj has done really well for himself despite being blacklsited by SM for years

as long as there's fans, artists will be able to go on

[cerulean lake]

it’s better to pay on a settlement than having to pay the full thing and basically be still under ador bc the contract isnt terminated

[frozen granite]

What’s going on??

[hushed whale]

nothing

[frozen granite]

At what time is the mediation?

[rare dune]

1:30pm korean time i believe

[hushed violet]

In 2 hrs i believe

I hope the best for the girls, even though i dont expect much from this, i just hope we all get good news

[pastel umbra]

are we expecting any news about the situation after the mediation today? or is it under wraps

[cinder narwhal]

we can only speculate last time.
i guess if it's successful we could get some announcement

[empty jetty]

I’ll need pings for updates

[heady gate]

1 hour

[rare dune]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[grizzled summit]

When's the thing

30 mins or smth?? I guess -prayjeans

[icy kernel]

1:30 PM KST

[hoary frost]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[unborn arrow]

praying for the best

[boreal swallow]

Wait what’s the discussion about when they go to court at 1:30??

[waxen musk]

I'm so nervous for them

Surely we should see them any second now

[rare dune]

im quite nervous

[heady gate]

which member is going to attend today. I am thinking Minji and Hanni

[rare dune]

probably

[waxen musk]

Same as before

[hoary frost]

[dense bramble]

how yall watching it

[rare dune]

maybe dani

[waxen musk]

We can't watch it. We're just waiting for press to take photos of whoever attends outside the court building.

[dense bramble]

oh i see

[waxen musk]

It's been a long full year since 11/09/2024. Crazy.

(since the secret emergency live stream if it wasnt clear)

[grizzled summit]

Omg isn't this the same day as their emergency live stream a year ago

[heady gate]

yes, it is the same day

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/hahagatung/status/1965989239776252402

President Lee Jae-myung pointed out at a press conference marking his 100th day in office today that there are groups attempting to exploit freedom of expression to enjoy privileges.

He stated that the harm caused by fake news is not a simple issue but undermines democracy, leading to unjust consequences for certain groups.

He emphasized that everyone would agree that enjoying special privileges under the pretext of special protection is undesirable.

He mentioned a recent case in the United States, a country that respects freedom of expression, where a 93 billion won compensation ruling was made in a fake news lawsuit, explaining that this demonstrates that authority comes with responsibility.

He stressed that not only the media but also anyone, including YouTube, must be held accountable for maliciously creating false information, and in cases of intentional misconduct, large compensation amounts should be set to prevent such actions from being repeated.

I'm not sure how people think about this president but everything he says really appears to be on NJZ's side.

(indirectly of course)

[heady gate]

I have a feeling the Korean president is not a HYBE stan.

[waxen musk]

Hmm... maybe we don't see who attended today. Also weren't there reports prior to the first mediation saying there would be two members attending? No such reports today.

[rare dune]

nothing yet..

[waxen musk]

Or maybe none of them attend. Guess we'll find out.

[upbeat stream]

It's almost time. Are they not attending?

[waxen musk]

No news is no news

[pseudo heath]

It wont start exactly now I guess we just gotta wait

[rare dune]

im nervous

[hushed whale]

maybe theyre not required to attend today?

[waxen musk]

I can't concentrate on anything else but just refresh Twitter like a crazy person

[rare dune]

LMAO m ertoo

[waxen musk]

If they're not there then I will start assuming things. But we don't even know that yet.

[opaque flicker]

[upbeat stream]

They were never required to anyway. Even in the first, it was just a request

[opaque flicker]

https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1965997300897165612

MHDHH Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop)

members did not appear in person at the mediation session today

X · Sep 11, 2025, 4:34 AM

oh well

[rare dune]

im stressing. WHERE ARE THE TWITTER UPDATES

[waxen musk]

Yeah no shot the mediation works out then. OCTOBER HERE WE COME. (I'm assuming.)

[upbeat stream]

That probably means no settlement

[rare dune]

FAWK

[hushed whale]

yeah october then ig

[waxen musk]

I'm still super interested to hear how MHJ's stuff goes in 1.5 hours. Should be live-ish updates?

[pseudo heath]

yeah i was expecting more from that one tbh, october 30th will be crazy

[rare dune]

gonna pop a blood vessel

[waxen musk]

Watch us all assume mediation fails and there be another one planned before October 30.

[rare dune]

give it some time iguess

[waxen musk]

Yeah we'll still hear what happened in the end

[heady gate]

If members didn't attend, the hearing isn't important to them. They're focused on October 30.

[waxen musk]

It more likely means they don't see any changes to their requests being met from the first meeting

[bronze talon]

Knew it

[cinder narwhal]

wut

[rare dune]

can someone translate

[waxen musk]

It just says mediation is happening and they didnt attend

[rare dune]

ok thanks

[opaque flicker]

[Seoul-Newsis] Reporter Jang Han-ji = The second mediation process for the exclusive contract dispute between girl group New Jeans and Ador has begun at the Seoul Central District Court.
The 41st Civil Agreement Division of the Seoul Central District Court (Presiding Judge Jeong Hoe-il) held the second mediation hearing for the lawsuit filed by Ador against five members of NewJeans at 2:00 PM on the 11th to confirm the validity of their exclusive contracts. The mediation process will be held privately.
The NewJeans members did not appear in person at the mediation hearing.

[rare dune]

jesusfuck

[waxen musk]

Well now we all prepare to shit ourselves for real in 7 weeks

[rare dune]

FML

[pseudo heath]

1.5 hrs for me to my hw done then il tune in for the mhj stuff

[heady gate]

All the photographers are standing outside the court for nothing.

[rare dune]

another month of stressing

[waxen musk]

7 full weeks

[rare dune]

might die

[waxen musk]

A lot can happen in 7 weeks. (BSH I'm talking about you.)

[bronze talon]

Don't make your life dependent on this
Make some time for other things and don't worry too much

[pseudo heath]

october 30th will go well for the girls

[heady gate]

Can BSH survive in 7 weeks? hmm

[rare dune]

ill freak myself out abt schoolwork instead

[atomic jungle]

isnt it possible the mediation could still be successful without the members there?

[waxen musk]

Yes

[cinder narwhal]

sure

[rare dune]

it means that its not significant to them for them to attend but its possible

[pseudo heath]

[cinder narwhal]

they have lawyers

[waxen musk]

It depends on Ador. We assume the girls aren't changing their demands. It's up to Ador to change. Of course that sounds unlikely. But possible? Technically./

[rare dune]

chances are low but never zero....

[heady gate]

the court hearing is ongoing currently, let's wait for the result.

[rare dune]

im assuming an hour

[waxen musk]

I wanna watch last episode of series I was binging before this started and I just can't concentrate on it at all

[atomic jungle]

my hope is ador finally crumbles and just lets them go today, if not then njz for the total win in october

[pseudo heath]

wait for the mediation to end and then watch before the mhj one maybe

[hushed whale]

its rare, but there might be a 3rd mediation

[atomic jungle]

i will actually lose my mind i think

[waxen musk]

3rd mediation would have to come before October 30 so I welcome it

[hushed whale]

yeah deadline still oct 30 anyway

[waxen musk]

But if there's a third... that really makes you wonder what the fuck is stopping them from making a deal but still contemplating it being possible. 3rd mediation would make it sound like chances go up for a settlement.

[atomic jungle]

thats a good point

[waxen musk]

I dunno I don't know nothing. Just thinking logically.

[wise basin]

Not me stressing rn

[waxen musk]

It'll be over soon

[rare dune]

me too

[spare epoch]

Well I guess we are waiting til october

[waxen musk]

Just think how they could be free with an announcement literally any second now

emphasis on could

[empty halo]

🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️
🕯️ they will settle 🕯️
🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️ 🕯️

[wise basin]

🙏🏻🤞🏻🕯️

[rare dune]

EVERYONE GRAB THEIRA LBUMS NAND PRAY

[stone grotto]

I should sleep since I have work in the morning but I really want to stay up for the news

[empty halo]

PLEASE a settlement is the safest outcome

[waxen musk]

If I had work today I would be fucked cos no way I'm sleeping

[hushed whale]

failed https://x.com/tokki_jpn_820/status/1966002476378964418?s=46

ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)

9月11日のNewJeansとADORの2次調停は不成立でした。

X · Sep 11, 2025, 4:54 AM

[empty halo]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[wise basin]

Bro it's 7am here and i can't sleep

[waxen musk]

Well there you go....

Not unexpected at least. We were prepared for this news.

[wise basin]

What

[waxen musk]

October 30 100% confirmed.

[empty halo]

NO

[wise basin]

Oh my god

[rare dune]

fuck

[empty halo]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[wise basin]

I don't want to wait again

[rain spade]

Prayge

[waxen musk]

Waiting is the easy part. Not knowing the result is not.

[frozen granite]

What’s this ?

[buoyant hamlet]

we're in the end game now

[opaque flicker]

''The second mediation between NewJeans and ADOR on September11 resulted in "mediation failure."

[frozen granite]

I knew it lol

[rare dune]

october 30 yay..

[stone grotto]

10/30 it is

[wise basin]

Yup

[frozen granite]

Well to be fair we have waited over a year, next month is not that bad .. at least this is almost done

[midnight yarrow]

Like I said, there was 0% chance of mediation happening

it was always going to come down to 10/30

[buoyant hamlet]

I'm glad there is no settlement. Just win the case and cancel the contract outright

[rare dune]

cant wait to refresh twitter like crazy

[stone grotto]

Let’s just hope the judge isn’t on the hybe payroll

[grizzled summit]

I wish the mediation was successful, how are we sure ador isnt gonna win.

[waxen musk]

Only reason to think mediation could have happened is simply because the first one didn't fail. But yeah, still always thought low chances.

[rare dune]

settlement wouldve been the safe option.

[wise basin]

It's going to be a loooooooooong 7 weeks

[empty halo]

thats the problem, we dont know if theyre winning. its not easily predictable

[rare dune]

i think both sides could win

[empty halo]

exactly

[midnight yarrow]

The girls have said multiple times they want nothing to do with ADOR. And ADOR have done nothing to suggest they're operating in good faith. Not when employees are still liking NewJeans hate comments.

[buoyant hamlet]

safe for who? Hybe? If the girls think they are 100% in the right, why would they need to give up concessions

[midnight yarrow]

They. Do. Not. Want. To. Go. Back. In. That. Building.

[rare dune]

legal system isnt exactly known to be fair

[empty halo]

obviously, their side was 100% going into the mediation sessions hoping to mediate them not having anything to do with ador in exchange for some concessions

[midnight yarrow]

They didn't even attend. They weren't hoping for anything. They don't want any compromises with that cartel.

[tawdry vessel]

expected

[waxen musk]

They will still have a plan even if they lose. At least now they know they have to prepare for that 50:50 possibility. Not too worried about it and don't expect everything to be over on October 30 if a loss happens. If a win happens, happy days.

[rare dune]

already seeing hate.. obsessed much

[tawdry vessel]

what do u expect from hybedor

[pseudo heath]

time to leave twitter till October 30th

[empty halo]

i dont think they were willing to let the members go in exchange for anything probably

[rare dune]

cant wait for the fucing hatetrain

[waxen musk]

The hate will calm down in like 3-5 days just ignore it lol. (not seeing it yet, luckily)

[midnight yarrow]

Purge your algorithm and stop going on reddit

[opaque flicker]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1966004598575083938

. (@TokkiLoops)

-The mediation failed to reach a settlement. Only lasted 20 minutes.

X · Sep 11, 2025, 5:03 AM

lol 20 mins

[empty halo]

😭

[waxen musk]

Well at least they quickly agreed that they can't agree

[hushed whale]

i think they already knew it wasnt going to happen after the 1st mediation
maybe the 2nd one was just a formality lol

[midnight yarrow]

The Min Heejin hearing was way more interesting anyway. Knew this would fail. And then that pig gets his police summon on the 15th

[waxen musk]

Yeah shame 2nd got our hopes up at all. Waste of time lol.

[empty halo]

💔

[torn idol]

yep im sad now

[rare dune]

stressing me out for nothing

[short laurel]

When is mhj's hearing yap session today?

[waxen musk]

In an hour

[spare epoch]

1 month waiting for 20 mins

[rare dune]

whats the mhj thing

[waxen musk]

Bunnies should be attending

[heady gate]

Those photographers outside the court are 😭

[rain spade]

more likke try and mediate again since 1st one fail too

[pseudo heath]

yap yap yap

[rare dune]

walk of shame

[grizzled summit]

The mediation should've been successful, I miss new jeans and old ador even though they don't want to go into the building

[waxen musk]

I wanna see MHJ with a big smile today

[rare dune]

https://tenor.com/view/hanni-hanni-yap-hanniyap-hanni-yapper-hanniyapper-gif-1755976105867479148

[raven kelp]

now when mhj lose is when you really have to get off twitter and not look back

[midnight yarrow]

I hope she destroys HYBE. Again. And I hope that ruling is made soon. Ideally before 10/30. MHJ winning her put options on top of being cleared by police would be a huge W for NewJeans too

[heady gate]

55 min

[waxen musk]

tbh i think MHJ's chances are higher than this mediation

[raven kelp]

istg if that happens

[rare dune]

no like whatsit about

[midnight yarrow]

I don't see how she could lose it

[pseudo heath]

LMFAO real if it doesnt go mhjs way then twitter will become an even worse toxic wasteland than it was before

[raven kelp]

i really don't want to get my hopes up

[rare dune]

if someone could explain in toddler terms im not educated on legal stuff

[midnight yarrow]

She won the initial injunction and has been cleared by the police.

[pseudo heath]

swearing in court, only way she is cooked

[grizzled summit]

How do we know that mhj is gonna win this case

[midnight yarrow]

What justification could HYBE possibly have for their fraudulent "audit" at this point?

[heady gate]

shareholder agreement.

[empty halo]

they shouldnt have to settle. shit, they shouldnt even have to go to court w ador but the justice system isnt fair and in comparison to waiting for a ruling that can go either ways, a settlement where they could leave in exchange of some concession is still safer, not fair, but safer

[midnight yarrow]

"W-Well she texted with a shaman!!!" the same dumb arguments that got laughed out of the court room last year

[raven kelp]

can 9/11 really bring us any good news?

[empty halo]

with mhj i hope. when is it?

[wise basin]

Oh boy

[frozen granite]

Either way if njz loses, they can still release new music though right? They’d just have to pay hybe, but I feel like they already know that

[red thorn]

They don't deserve mhdhh crumbs
Chosen Bunnies only

[empty halo]

if they lose yes theyd have to terminate w ador

[rare dune]

what happens if they lose

[frozen granite]

Yeah but they’d still be able to release new music though

[atomic jungle]

they said that theyd pay out their conract if they lose

[rare dune]

that doesnt sound too bad right

[dense bramble]

tons of money

[rare dune]

sorry im not educated on legal stuff

[waxen musk]

Here comes the doom lol. I should come back in an hour.
I'll watch that last episode of a series.

[wise basin]

A lot of money

[hushed whale]

they have plans if they lose ofc, we just need to chill

[rare dune]

theyre gonna pay it out?

[empty halo]

yeah bro they can do wtv they want after they terminate w ador if they lose. the problem would be public scrutiny + the amount they'd have to pay wouldnt be insane amount of high, but it'd still be pretty high

[empty halo]

if they lose

[frozen granite]

I’m sure they know the risks

[rare dune]

they spoke up knowing the risks

[empty halo]

yeah

we can just hope for a win on oct 30 now

[wise basin]

Well it's a good thing they didn't show up for this

[rare dune]

will be counting down the 7 weeks

[empty halo]

no more sejong vs ador appearances in court now? straight to the verdict?

[rare dune]

im pretty sure

[empty halo]

my feed is now a mix of charlie kirk and newjeans

[ashen charm]

I thought they would atleast settle or try too it's really down to the korean system

[wise basin]

Same haha

[cerulean lake]

sucks that it’s corrupt asf 😭

[cinder narwhal]

in mediation they held their future in their hands
now they leave it up to fate (and the judge)
exciting 😭

[tawdry vessel]

is this the final court decision for mhj

[mild mist]

Don't think so

[snow furnace]

wake me up when october comes

[orchid field]

ain't no way bunnies are asking them to settle with ador we have truely lost the plot

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1966017225707696150

. (@TokkiLoops)

Min Heejin

X · Sep 11, 2025, 5:53 AM

[cerulean lake]

well i think it’s pretty fair considering that a lot of them wanted them to leave, just that they might have to pay ador a certain amount.

and it’s a safer option than leaving it all up in the hands of oct. 30

[hollow sorrel]

she’s glowing

[cinder narwhal]

https://fixupx.com/TokkiLoops/status/1966018216557490393

. (@TokkiLoops)

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[opaque flicker]

[orchid field]

well i think it’s pretty fair considering that a lot of them wanted them to leave <- then you should be hoping they don't settle and win the case

if the case determines that the contract is valid then they will have to pay termination fee regardless. if they settle it will be the worst outcome because they will stay in ador with certain compromise

[waxen musk]

Sorry I was watching something. No clue. I hope so.

[cerulean lake]

i mean another possible settlement could’ve been that they leave but they have to pay ador a percentage of their earnings for a bit. doesn’t always mean they have to stay in ador. it’s rare but it’s a possible option.

[orchid field]

she's wearing heels too she is here to serve lmao

[pseudo heath]

Well she looks happy

[waxen musk]

Happy to see MHJ cheerful.

[orchid field]

that's just similar to regular termination

[cerulean lake]

well it’s not as risky as possibly losing and having to pay the FULL termination fee. that’s the main point and why some were hoping they would settle

[red thorn]

Settle doesn't always mean the negotiations of they back to the company

[orchid field]

face of sueing and winning 13 out of 16

[cerulean lake]

plus the public scrutiny behind them losing is gonna be terrible. we already saw it with the injunction.

[orchid field]

you mean all the bots and paid articles? yeah we can all really learn to ignore the noise

[waxen musk]

Too much wondering what happens if they lose.

[cerulean lake]

idk i just think tokkis have a valid point in wanting a settlement to occur rather than waiting till oct. 30th. i’m lowkey one of them too (on the premise that they leave ador but just have to pay ador a percentage) because i do not trust the korean justice system

[orchid field]

you aren't playing to win you are playing to not lose, which is a very different mindset from the girls

[cerulean lake]

welp the final verdict is kinda win or lose now..

[orchid field]

have some faith the evidence is there and the political landscape reform is there
the national assembly also backed them up so yeah have some faith

[cerulean lake]

well anyways of course i want them to win. i’m just saying that i can see why people might be a little sad that there was no settlement occurring, if that makes sense

[rare dune]

they’ll be back either way question mark

[cerulean lake]

if they win i think they’ll def make some comeback. if they don’t, might take a while ngl..

(just my opinion)

[pseudo heath]

They can take however long they want i just hope it works out in the way they want it

[hollow sorrel]

even if they lose and have to pay penalties I think the amount will be reduced by a lot to make it reasonable

[cerulean lake]

yeah just hope they’re happy and content with returning. i don’t want them to return to such a hostile audience. of course there will be fans supporting them but the other general public could be nasty

[waxen musk]

People have been coping with the "if they lose it'll still be ok cos they'll just pay" thing for a few weeks now. I don't know if we should start assuming the path they'll take after a loss. I've overthought everything a million times already so I'm a bit bored of repeating old discussions at this point. I'm sure I'll yap again closer to judgement day.

I'm very interested in what MHJ has to say and would love to see her financially free to make new plans.

[rare dune]

i’m coping ngl

[waxen musk]

I know. It's natural. But if you really want to cope, just imagine the worst case scenario (them having to wait until 2029) and imagine how they'll still be ok after that. I've thought about it too much and I do become more accepting and at peace.
However damn it I just want us to all properly hope for a win, because there's a good chance still. Don't pretend it's over yet.

[thick glade]

They'll win

[short laurel]

Issue is the settlement doesn't put their future in their hands fully. It depended on ador too. N we don't know on what reason the mediation failed. It is possible that ador didn't agreed on girls terms either.

Here i c people assuming that mediation failed cuz of girls when in reality we don't know

[pseudo heath]

They will win!!

[waxen musk]

I know we all want to prepare for the worst even if we hope and understand there's a good chance for a win. What else is there to say that hasn't already been said.

[empty halo]

whens this mhj thing gonna end? we'll get info on what's happening inside right?

[storm warren]

probably early next year

[raven kelp]

why'd i think it's gonna end today

[waxen musk]

I have no expectations for how long it takes. Where do you get yours from?

[short laurel]

Shareholders case can last loooong

[snow furnace]

woa big smile

[empty halo]

no im talking about the session today, how many hours approx will it end

[short laurel]

When mhj feels like her yap is enough (it's a joke, court will not let her go fir long speech)

[frozen granite]

What happened with mhj? What happened in the meeting ?

[short laurel]

It's happening rn.

[cold cliff]

Didnt it end already

[dull geyser]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSDRoQ4Cv/ SIGH.

people really believe bsh would do anything for anyone other than himself? 🫩

also whats going on with mhj's hearing i already know mediation went nowhere 😔

[hoary frost]

nothing pinned means no news

[feral tapir]

nothing at all?

[hoary frost]

i only read pins

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1966040923902788001

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

@theletter_Y It’s still CLO speaking. He said MHJ kept bullying HYBE executives when she’s the CEO of ADOR. MHJ tried not to laugh at the court.

X · Sep 11, 2025, 7:27 AM

looks like she still hasn’t spoken

[feral tapir]

is it still happening right now?

[short laurel]

No. Mhj one only was starting when i posted that. It's underway now

[feral tapir]

the audacity of calling her a bully

[short laurel]

I bet their evidence for this is mhj private chat where she just backbiching

[empty halo]

omg guys he's so kind 🥺🥺🥺🥺 and thoughtful 🥺🥺🥺 he cares so much about his idols guys 🥺🥺🥺 how about we all open a gofundme for him guys 🥺🥺 he's jinja sweet ☹️💗 his aegyo eyes melt my heart 🥹🥹

[storm warren]

too much aura

[short laurel]

Yea. Poor bsh, only owns 1 mansion. He needs our support to buy 10 more n finally not be poor

[hollow sorrel]

this clown fiesta

I wonder why they are going this psychological damage route

[short laurel]

Nothing else left

[alpine sapphire]

Update ?

[red thorn]

Bully scenario huh

[copper jetty]

Did mhj yap yet?

[empty halo]

a true humble working class hero, being targeted by the govt and wock left 😡 😡 😡

[short laurel]

She is yapping rn

[copper jetty]

Is there any updates on the mediation? Is it over? I'm scared to scroll X.

[short laurel]

It failed. Girls didn't show up either

[copper jetty]

Shocker.... (not)
Well, I doubt Ador agreed to let the girls get their way and I doubt ador will let them go. Also, the girls don't want to go back either so it makes sense.
Oct. 30 then.

[empty halo]

chances are you won't find as many nwjns tweets as.... well....

[copper jetty]

There's no update on there?

[empty halo]

btw are media inside the hearing w mhj rn that are reporting everything we're hearing?

[storm warren]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1966044642161697013

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

Witness: When the members' mothers came for an interview and discussed the plagiarism, they didn't seem particularly concerned. It was only after MHJ kept showing them the photo captions that they changed their minds.
MHJ: ？？？(So outrageous? Looking at the witness)

X · Sep 11, 2025, 7:42 AM

[empty halo]

no theres just bigger political news so the njz news is getting buried in my feed atleast

[empty halo]

isnt this lawsuit for the shareholders agreement? why are they bringing up belift plagiarism here

[copper jetty]

Lmao this so funny. Why wouldn't the parents of the artists not be concerned? Their own children are involved... this witness is a clown fr.

[copper jetty]

Maybe painting mhj as a liar and discredit her as a witness. Probably
(Too much how to get away with murder binging)

[cinder narwhal]

i wish mhj stares at me like she does him 🫠

[short laurel]

even if parents weren't concern about plagarism. so what? it's mhj work which got plagarise. she has right to fight. in the 1st place it's hybe who overblown this issue. mhj and parents kept it internal.

[cinder narwhal]

how is a ceo of a subsidiary supposed to bully HQ execs 😭

[empty halo]

character assassination probably yeah

[copper jetty]

Also hybe is the parent company... Ador is only a subsidiary... when you look at the Organization chart, anyone on the hq should still be higher right??

[short laurel]

ordinary millionaires with aritsts connection bullies many multi millionaires and billionaires with political connects

[empty halo]

• i dont see how her showing them side by side comparisons and EXPLAININGNG plagiarism to them is bad?? shes telling them exactly what was plagiarised and educating them on it, so?

[storm warren]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1966048312722862327

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

HYBE’s CLO claimed MHJ met Japanese investors early this year but can’t offer any details.
Sejong: You don't seem to have any concrete evidence that MHJ met with investors, yet you spread the news through the media anyway. What's your reason?

Witness: Did we do that?(Amnesia)

X · Sep 11, 2025, 7:56 AM

[cinder verge]

guys what happened/is happening today ive been out of the loop

[cinder narwhal]

does this apply to mhj

[short laurel]

i put mhj in ordinary millionaire.

[empty halo]

nwjns and ador's mediation session failed, they will not be having a settlement and the court will decide the result of their lawsuit on oct 30
min heejin's shareholder agreement hearing today, shes gonna be speaking soon/is already speaking there

[short laurel]

just how times they gonna change the investors

[cinder verge]

what is the shareholder agreement

[cinder narwhal]

mhj anti ok

[empty halo]

its a lawsuit related to shareholders agreement, idk the exact details of it but its basically hybe v min heejin

[short laurel]

how is calling her millionaire anti mhj ?

[copper jetty]

1st it was Saudi investment? Then came Dunamu, then what was internet thingy that hyein's uncle was under? Then a japanese one.

[empty halo]

and mhj has appeared in court today to give her own statements

[cinder narwhal]

nvm 😭

[short laurel]

wasn't there 1 more?

[copper jetty]

Was there?? With all the investors they changed i couldn't remember all.

Davolink. Was hyeins uncle. Kinda forgot the name

[short laurel]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1966049543017083102

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

regardless of what happens on october 30th, njz are never going back

hybe's chief legal rep has stated that the parents must have misheard the "long break" offer from PJW and that they've never said such a thing (even though its clearly stated on the inj ruling)

X · Sep 11, 2025, 8:01 AM

[short laurel]

yea there was one be4 devolink i think.

[copper jetty]

Was it stated in the injunction ruling? Link on this pls.

[short laurel]

hmm have to look for that. i remember there being articles about it.

[flint stone]

They think playing dumb will help them

[raven kelp]

court should just call out hybe's bs and just end this at once

[short laurel]

if judge is sold then unfortunately yes

[cinder narwhal]

this guy is gaslighter extraordinaire

[buoyant hamlet]

I came here for injunction updates, and ended up buying an A&S tote because of MHJ 😭

[flint stone]

It is possible, but public closely follows this case and hybe losses their power little by little (in my opinion)

[short laurel]

hybe long lost public war. it doesn't matter in their case cuz their supporters are not right in theiri head.

[grizzled summit]

What's going on

[dull geyser]

ikrr 🥺 even the way he commits fraud is so cutesy and kind 😭❤️

[short laurel]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1966051623303872928 all mhj side needs is 1 reporter to come out to reveal it. and hybe is done.

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

Sejong: As of April 25, 2024, over 1,700 news reports were about the internal audit. Do u know?
Witness: Idk. R u trying to say we distributed the info to the media? Do you have any evidence? We didn't want the news to spread so widely. Perhaps it was due to media competition.

X · Sep 11, 2025, 8:10 AM

[mild mist]

"early this year" - after she had left any and all hybe affiliated companies

[atomic echo]

this entire year has been troubling

[mild mist]

Well we all know that Stan twitter and K-pop Reddit are going to swallow it hook, line and sinker

[rain spade]

all that person has to say was just say idk and nott over explain.. lol

[short laurel]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1966053921732067440

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

Sejong asked CLO if HYBE tried anything to stop false reports about NJZ from being published and spread.
CLO said that the media competition was so intense that HYBE can’t stop it.
Sejong said so it’s reasonable to assume that HYBE did nothing at all. CLO said idk again.

X · Sep 11, 2025, 8:19 AM

[flint stone]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1966054026983932105?t=aftojCz5I4ziD-WHu6P3-Q&s=19

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

hybe’s keyword: i’m not sure

X · Sep 11, 2025, 8:19 AM

[rain spade]

gettiing burned left and right

[cinder narwhal]

they should have more of this sessions before 10/30. hybe is unraveling

[hollow sorrel]

this hearing is long as hell

[dull geyser]

i just wanna hear mhj roasts bro

[flint stone]

It's gonna be longer, our yapper didn't talk yet

[rain spade]

Content bro

[empty halo]

[feral tapir]

watching hybe's side talking is like watching kids tryna avoid getting grounded by their mom for what they did💀

[flint stone]

For real

[red thorn]

I wonder if the witness was the cfo, I feel he would be more chance for blunder and less tough to drill rather than this ex lawyer

[cerulean lake]

why don’t the lawyers bring up the fact that all of the njz articles are in the business sector where comments are open so that people could hate on them, but all of hybe’s and bsh’s shenanigans are in the entertainment news sector where comments are closed? that’s literally sus behavior right there

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1966058975411187792

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

Sejong: Did you know that between April 22 and 25, 2024, there were press releases about Min Hee-jin provided by Hybe (and asked reporters to send them out) in the reporters' chat group?
Ofc CLO said Idk again. 😃

X · Sep 11, 2025, 8:39 AM

does he know anything

[storm warren]

nah he came to say IDK

[hollow sorrel]

she’s about to speak

[rain spade]

his lawyer told him to say that to all questions

[copper jetty]

We'll see... k&c is gonna ask her questions too.. I'm more curious about that

What are they gonna ask her

[mild mist]

He doesn't know

[heady gate]

It is a comical day

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1966061834244600018

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

🧢 I came here hoping to resolve things peacefully, but after I entered, I felt the hybe’s witness was full of lies. If I hadn’t come today things would have gotten out of hand.
Judge: It’s getting late, if u finish speaking, it might be 8 o’clock…
🧢 That’s fine with me

X · Sep 11, 2025, 8:50 AM

[heady gate]

Is the CLO used to work at Kim & Chang?

[rain spade]

let's goo

[cinder narwhal]

judge stream this pls

[hollow sorrel]

I think so

[heady gate]

The CLO needs to change his job title to IDK.

[storm warren]

shame there is no livestream

[empty halo]

question, where are all these accounts getting this info from? whats the first source

[cosmic belfry]

I'm pretty sure they or a source are sitting in the court room taking notes.

[empty halo]

oh damn so these accounts have personal sources? crazy

[heady gate]

NJ's hearing took 20 min. MHJ's hearing is taken ......⏲️

[hollow sorrel]

some tokkis and kpop fans are there at the hearing and they post it on weibo or other platforms these accounts just translate it

[empty halo]

ohh cool

[flint stone]

they expect her to talk for 2 hours, they know

[cinder verge]

is the hearing over

[flint stone]

mhj one? no, it's just started to get interesting

[cinder verge]

whats going on idk how to keep up with this stuff 😭 can someone summarize for me

[flint stone]

hybe side just says idk to everything. mhj just started talking

[heady gate]

NJ's hearing took 20 min. MHJ's hearing is still going and going...

[cinder verge]

njz will NOT settle!! f hybe

[heady gate]

NJ didn't attend to court today. Let's wait until Oct 30

[cinder verge]

was there a member appearance at the njz settlement hearing LMAO u just answered my question

[heady gate]

7 more weeks. I hope Danielle would attend the Berlin 10K Marathon in Sep.

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/multipstan/status/1965891377558073647

njznd (@multipstan)

if you ever ask me how work is going and i post this photo, just know that means im at my desk not doing SHITTTT

X · Sep 10, 2025, 9:33 PM

[upbeat stream]

Many k tokkis attend public court hearings

[raven kelp]

why is there so little updates 😭

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1966075770763420025

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

🧢 was explaining KakaoTalk logs when HYBE’s lawyer kept cutting her off.
KIM & CHANG: “This is Feb 27 chat, why mix in other dates?”
🧢: I’m not. This IS that day’s chat. I’m not like KIM & CHANG’s lawyer

X · Sep 11, 2025, 9:46 AM

[raven kelp]

YES MHJ SILENCE THEM!!!

[hollow sorrel]

I think tokkis are just trying to write down as much as they can and once its over we’ll see more

[storm warren]

The court asked CEO Min whether there had been any government investigation regarding HYBE’s “sajaegi” (chart manipulation/push-out practices), and she answered that there hadn’t been.
Then the court asked HYBE’s Chief Legal Officer whether it would be possible to disclose initial sales/opening data related to alleged “sajaegi” by the 000 group. HYBE responded that it wasn’t “sajaegi” but also said they couldn’t disclose the data.

[raven kelp]

i was about to say that maybe she is going off so hard that tokkies don't even have the time to put down their pens

[storm warren]

When CEO Min Hee-jin was sitting in the witness stand, the Kim & Chang lawyer said,
“(HYBE’s witness Jung Jin-soo) was made to hear the word ‘perjury’ more than 10 times.”

To which CEO Min replied,
“Well, that’s because he committed perjury,”
giving a hip response.

[raven kelp]

this is so entertaining what i would do to be there

[storm warren]

It’s said that the Kim & Chang lawyer, perhaps feeling pushed back after being countered by CEO Min on the witness stand, tried to nitpick by saying, “This feels like a press conference.”

So jealous of that Kim & Chang lawyer… getting to witness Press Conference 2 live in person ㅠㅜ

kbunnies crying bc they want this livestreamed

https://x.com/cakedegg/status/1966079638385590583

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

🧢And HYBE is claiming I met with foreign investors to get funding, do you have any evidence?
hybe’s witness: Yes
🧢 Have you submitted it?
hybe’s witness: We’ll submit it later.
🧢 Ah…oh…that’s really funny
HYBE’s lawyer: pls don’t be sarcastic!
🧢I genuinely think it’s funny!

X · Sep 11, 2025, 10:01 AM

https://x.com/minotaurkard/status/1966080014056894789

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

MHJ has conversations taking place of a sublabel at HYBE using push-up strategy on their albums. In this conversation, a HYBE sublabel VP is included (not Ador) along with other Hybe employees.

The court asked MHJ if HYBE and it's authorities looked into this matter and she said

X · Sep 11, 2025, 10:02 AM

[raven kelp]

it's so unfair to not let us witness this 😭

[rain spade]

She cooking

[hollow sorrel]

is the 000 group ILLIT??

[storm warren]

i think its enhypen

Judge: Do you have anything you’d like to say regarding the investor-contact issue?
Min: None of it is true. I only learned that such a person existed after the incident broke out, and I’ve never met them. I even asked Lee Sang-woo (then Ador co- CEO), “Do you know this person?” and Lee Sang-woo replied that he had seen them before.
Jung Jin-soo: My understanding was that the two of you met together.
Min: Huh??

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1966080209708257586

It’s allegedly a girlgroup

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

MHJ has conversations taking place of a sublabel at HYBE using push-up strategy on their albums for a GG. In this conversation, a HYBE sublabel VP is included (not Ador) along with other Hybe employees.

The court asked MHJ if HYBE and it's authorities looked into this matter and

X · Sep 11, 2025, 10:03 AM

[empty halo]

dragging other groups into the legal battle accusations in 3....2....

[dull geyser]

so illit or lsf? do we know it's belift?

[storm warren]

not mentioned

but mhj has conversation, ofc hybe does not want to discuss this because it will expose their labels. they want to focus on smearing mhj and njz thats why they have cyber wreckers armed

[raven kelp]

isn't it like 7:15 pm in korea

[empty halo]

yes

[raven kelp]

https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1966064602221023266

Shamanz MHDHH (@shamanjz)

@CakeDegg Holding their bladders til 8pm!

X · Sep 11, 2025, 9:01 AM

[buoyant hamlet]

prob both

[steel depot]

still on going?

[short laurel]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1966086240396316803

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

was i too late for the party? coz when the fuck did this happen?

X · Sep 11, 2025, 10:27 AM

[old cypress]

lmao mhj pulled a mhj at the court

Ok the mediation failed as expected

[empty halo]

youtube account next pls

[old cypress]

she didn't mention illit did she

[storm warren]

nah, but media is mentioning

purpose is to throw pity party for them, how pitiful they are, they cant be bsh's favorites in peace, mhj ruined their career which relied on munching off njz

[orchid field]

WOW

[old cypress]

wish there was a video, I wanna see what mhj said

[hollow sorrel]

maybe that’s why all illit comebacks performed weakly after that they were probably scared to manipulate the numbers?

[storm warren]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1966092731459260768

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

Next debate: 11/27 14:00 KST.
MHJ will continue to attend the hearing. 🥰

X · Sep 11, 2025, 10:53 AM

[old cypress]

back for more clocking

[old cypress]

most groups had weaker sales anyway

[wooden coral]

They be lying so much they can't remember their own lies anymore

[storm warren]

guys, shareholder agreements case ends on 18 December

[hollow sorrel]

we got such small updates I hope a pdf is posted soon with everything in it

[storm warren]

https://x.com/runfornjz/status/1966093131146838336

RunNieZ (@RunforNJZ)

10/13(월)16:55 변론기일(전직원)
10/30(목) 09:50 선고일(전속계약해지)
11/7(금) 16:30 변론기일(쏘스)
11/14(금) 16:00 변론기일(빌맆)
11/27(목) 15:00 변론기일(주주간)
12/18(목) 16:30 변론기일-종결(주주간)

X · Sep 11, 2025, 10:55 AM

when was belift case postponed to November. i remember it was supposed to be on oct 31

[short laurel]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1966093173412999188?t=JPKYzntkYKEPR4n42VVnjQ&s=19

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

So to recap some bits because its been going for 4+ hours and maybe to next hearing

1. HYBE hasn't submitted the evidence of MHJ meeting these foreign investors (Japan)

2. HYBE hasn't submitted evidence of MHJ meeting local and foreign investors who were trying to "help" her

X · Sep 11, 2025, 10:55 AM

[wooden coral]

I work with 4 to 6 year olds and this is so true

[feral tapir]

same

[short laurel]

Politicians fight like kids

[cinder narwhal]

at this rate anyone on x can make a fake mhj script and we'll believe it 😭

[short laurel]

Unfortunately all sources outside court are like that.

[old cypress]

Just use common sense imo

[empty halo]

while k-media isnt completely transparent and unbiased are their journalists not in that courtroom? id rather read an extensive article covered by a journalist that comes later over bits and pieces in short tweets

[old cypress]

hope there are transcripts like for both mhj presscons

[raven kelp]

but they won't be this specific with the details tho 🙂‍↔️

[empty halo]

how are transcripts less specific than people in the courtroom hurridly pumping out whats happening on social media 😭

[raven kelp]

may 2026 be a fresh start

[old cypress]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1966060447095996549 let bnz cook i guess

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

shes about to speak
ill do a full a transcript to the best of my abilities after i get multiple people who were there verifying what they heard

X · Sep 11, 2025, 8:45 AM

[empty halo]

great

[wooden coral]

It's so crazy how we can just put hypes debate strategy down here and it would be the same

[raven kelp]

i meant the way these tweets include even minor details like her mood and stuff also i wasn't being serious

[empty halo]

ohh i see

[wise basin]

Im going to touch some grass before crashing out

[wooden coral]

For real it is

[empty halo]

well looks like the transcripts r gonna be compiled from and based on what the fans saw so

cant wait for the "dragging other ggs into the conflict" allegations again

[feral tapir]

literally

[wooden coral]

I love how I can just place them in a sandbox arguing over a shovel and a bucket like this

[feral tapir]

fr man

[waxen musk]

I was backreading and this made me laugh. Posted 2h45m ago.

Pinned schedule updated.

[storm warren]

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1966098460928868616

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy)

Does this mean that the last hearing will be held on Dec. 18? 🤔

X · Sep 11, 2025, 11:16 AM

[dull geyser]

is the hearing finished?

[storm warren]

We will have verdict early next year before or after holidays

[waxen musk]

Eh the schedule I update, should I say Belift is delayed or just change the date? I'll add the times too. Also I'll add MHJ conclusion on 18th December.

[storm warren]

kbunnies saying belift on nov 14. idk

[waxen musk]

Yeah just not sure if I should mention it's been delayed or if it was always planned for this date. Not that it matters, I'm just being picky for the schedule I'm updating.

Also the schedule has reached too many characters limit so I need to make a new schedule or delete the old part of the schedule.

Just gonna post old schedule in next message and then link to it in pinned schedule.

-# Old schedule dates:
-# - March 7 - Injunction hearing
-# - March 14 - Deadline for submission of evidence after March 7 injunction hearing
-# - March 14 – MHJ's 2nd hearing against Source Music. DELAYED to May 30
-# - March 17 - MHJ vs Employee B
-# - March 21 - Injunction granted
-# - April 3 – ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial 1st hearing
-# - April 9 - Injunction objection hearing
-# - April 16 - Injunction objection not granted
-# - April 17 – MHJ's 2nd hearing for the shareholders' agreement
-# - May 2 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Belift DELAYED to July 18
-# - May 26 - MHJ vs Employee B 2nd hearing
-# - May 30 – MHJ's 2nd hearing against Source Music
-# - June 5 - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial 2nd hearing
-# - June 12 - MHJ's 3rd hearing for the shareholders' agreement
-# - June 17 - Injunction appeal not granted
-# - June 27 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music DELAYED to July 18
-# - July 18 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Belift
-# - July 18 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music DELAYED to August 22
-# - July 24 - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial 3rd hearing
-# - August 14 - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial, 1st mediation session
-# - August 22 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music
-# - August 25 - MHJ vs Employee B 3rd hearing DELAYED to October 13
-# - September 11 - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial, 2nd mediation session (failed)
-# - September 11 - MHJ's 4th hearing for the shareholders' agreement

See upcoming schedule dates here: #1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

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UPCOMING:

• October 13 (16:55 KST) - MHJ vs Employee B 3rd hearing
• October 30 (09:50 KST) - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial, final judgement
• October 31 - MHJ's 4th hearing against Belift DELAYED OR CHANGED to November 14
• November 7 (16:30 KST) - MHJ's 4th hearing against Source Music
• November 14 (16:00 KST) - MHJ's 4th hearing against Belift
• November 27 (15:00 KST) - MHJ's 5th hearing for the shareholders' agreement
• December 18 (16:30 KST) - Conclusion hearing for MHJ's shareholders' agreement

See old schedule dates here:
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[grizzled summit]

IS NEW JEANS STARTING ACTIVITIES FR NOVEMBER 1

[waxen musk]

Hope we can all just chill for a month. Hard to predict how much more yapping I'll do in here for a while.

[short laurel]

Where did we get that hybe has chatgroup with journalists

[rugged dagger]

so whats new

[copper jetty]

This is the shareholder's meeting for Ador right? Why were they talking about another subsidiary or another group? I would've thought the main topic would be the procedure or process of mhj's ousting.

[storm warren]

checked cases and B is suing for 100M krw and belift is suing for 2B krw

[empty halo]

if they win

[storm warren]

cant find source's case number for exact amount, media did report 400-500m

[empty halo]

maybe? depends on them. to me it seems like pit stop was ready to drop but who knows

[mild mist]

Put it this way - it's not fromis_9

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/tafyjsnsklulla5/status/1966099762874073466

talulla (@tafyjsnsklulla5)

아 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ 걱정 안햐도 되겠네 민대표 표정에서 모든 게 보이잖아 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

X · Sep 11, 2025, 11:21 AM

looking refreshed after her yapfest lol

[pulsar wasp]

Fake news

[heady gate]

The media loves to intensify the fan wars.

[pulsar wasp]

which accounts can we trust? So many on my timeline rage-baiting

[heady gate]

NJ's hearing took 20 min. how many hours was the MHJ's hearing?

[waxen musk]

From 15:00 to 20:00.

[honest sky]

Alot of messages to scroll up on…who attended today?

[heady gate]

no one

the girls are firm of their decision. They didn't attend the court. See u on Oct 30

[honest sky]

See u

[heady gate]

5 hours. this gif is perfect for her.

[waxen musk]

I saw that the next one is already prepared to be three hours because Min Heejin didn't get to finish this time.

It sounds like I'm joking, but I'm not.

[heady gate]

I love it, she destroyed them.

[waxen musk]

I haven't read much about what happened to be honest. I assume people are still writing up what happened, but it's taking a while because so much was said.

As usual I'd like to hear both sides, but we're never going to get that when relying on limited Tokki Twitter accounts.

And you can't rely on the media at all. They report on what Ador's side said and then barely mention anything about what Min Heejin said. It presents itself as if what Ador's side is saying is the truth even though it is obviously without any evidence.

I don't know how I've avoided seeing even a single opinion of Hybe stans so far. I don't need to see, it's always predictable. But my Twitter is just filled with other things right now.

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1966152698291736953

this is going to take days or weeks on my end to fully transcribe but theres some misunderstanding

MHJ didn't get to fully testify because the court ran out of time because HYBE's legal rep took like 3+ something hours so its likely that it will continue at the next hearing

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1966151442257080793

During the trial, I directly confirmed that HYBE PR was summarizing the trial proceedings in real-time and sharing them with reporters. Therefore, to prevent information asymmetry, I plan to share some of the trial details.

Today’s trial proceeded in a somewhat complex manner (plaintiff examination - plaintiff cross-examination - plaintiff confrontation examination - plaintiff rebuttal examination), and due to time constraints, only the examination of CLO Jung Jin-soo was conducted.

Representative Min Hee-jin was only able to conduct some confrontational questioning regarding Jung Jin-soo’s testimony, and questions were limited to the scope of Jung Jin-soo’s testimony. As she was unable to freely provide responses or rebuttals, Representative Min Hee-jin could only partially express her precise intentions and stance.

The examination of Representative Min Hee-jin is scheduled to continue in November.

I kind of wonder if Ador's side wasted time so that Min Heejin couldn't finish everything she wanted to say. Either way it directly continues in November, just a continuation of today, not actually a next step.

Lots of Tweets coming up now. I don't want to spam much more.
Just know there are articles out there where it says MHJ mentioned ILLIT by name. However this is false, she did not mention them by name at all.

[storm warren]

she has not mentioned them

[cinder narwhal]

both sides? all the other side said was IDK

[storm warren]

"we will submit evidence later"

they lie for media smear campaign, say they have evidence but it never appears, they are not even held accountable for their lies

[waxen musk]

Ador’s side spoke for three hours. I just want to know what. We don’t actually know that much.

[storm warren]

they speak vaguely to avoid accountability

[waxen musk]

Do they actually want to win this case or has media play become their priority? It’s confusing.

[storm warren]

there are articles out there

its both, they are multi tasking, smearing while trying to win

[waxen musk]

I know. I know. Nothing new!

[storm warren]

they should live stream next hearing so we have full picture and dont have to rely on pieces and bits cherry picked by pro hybe media

[empty jetty]

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PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

NEWJEANS ARE WINNING THAT LAWSUIT.

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FxTwitter · Sep 11, 2025, 11:04 AM

How accurate is this?

[waxen musk]

It's in every report basically. But lacks context.

[short laurel]

Hybe side said "idk". That's it.

[heady gate]

only the judge can decide the winner.

[waxen musk]

Oh I didn't even read the "winning" text part of that Tweet lol. Yeah we don't know.

[short laurel]

Hybe side said "idk" for like most of the questions mhj side asked n ppl shared in public

[storm warren]

we dont know what was said in details. and has nothing to do with njz unless sejong determines its useful enough to use for njz case, even so nobody in this world can guarantee winning

it seems HYBE filed objection to police's decision and the case went to prosecution. media is wording it in a way that prosecution initiated something but its procedure after objection

[short laurel]

But is it proof enough to end contract? If it's proven that hybe didn't protect girls from media attack m

[storm warren]

its not singular thing, but combination of actions that result in breakdown of trust

its probably favorable argument for saying that mhj protected them against hybe

but i doubt this will change anything overall

[empty jetty]

I didn’t mean the winning part btw, just the hybe part

[craggy skiff]

What a joke

[hollow sorrel]

This reminds me of the time when the national assembly summoned Bang si hyuk but they sent Belift lab CEO and he didn’t know the answer to anything

[short laurel]

when other groups gets media attention in bad ways, companies atleast release a statement protecting them. even hybe does that. but they did nothing for newjeans.

[hollow sorrel]

yeah and its in their contract so if they dig deeper into it it could be a big breach

[ashen charm]

It does bring up the hopes but I doubt that can be used as new evidence unless the judge grants something last minute hybe cracks are starting to show they feel the pressure

[short laurel]

"best efforts" is ambiguous. if they tried even a little, hybe could've gotten away with it. but they didn't even tried a little.

[short laurel]

both parties can always appeal with new evidence. and ador will 100% appeal if njz wins. i hope girls do it too if ador wins.

[ashen charm]

Yup but it doesn't mean it's a slam dunk case even with this news

[hollow sorrel]

that’s what’s interesting to me abt this whole newjeans case is that overall ADOR had such an upper hand legally but they threw the lawsuit because of their own malice and evilness

[cerulean lake]

yeah but the problem is if they threw it up enough 🫩 the judge could still be like “eh, idk if that’s enough to cause a breach” and i think you would need like a testimony or key witness that hybe was not protecting them or spreading out false info to journalists to spread, which is unfortunately probably only in the hands of hybe

idk anymore, i think im gonna avoid njz/kpop related stuff on social media again in the meantime bc i can already see the fanwars coming even though MHJ didn’t even specifically mention other girl groups in her speech. just don’t got the energy for that now 😑

(freaking Pannchoa making it worse w/ their headlines 😭😭)

[ashen charm]

I'm not celebrating untill it's said and done and just like we thought we had the injunction won we lost

[cerulean lake]

i don’t wanna get my hopes all the way up because it’s been rough the past few months 😭. ik tokkis wanna cheer up others and make it seem like they will win but i can just see antis mocking us those type of posts in the future if the girls do lose.

[heady gate]

I am sure we will see more Dani running pictures in the next 7 weeks. 🏃🏻‍♀️

[ashen charm]

It's good to celebrate but just don't lose focus I'm sure as closer as it gets we will see more njz sightings and we will be blessed with the results

[old cypress]

Again if news are giving you anxiety, take time off and comeback on oct 30

[dense bramble]

njz gon find a new korean label after everything is done right

[old cypress]

Educated guesses are just guesses. There is no way to tell if njz is winning or not. Wait for the verdict then celebrate (or cry but i don't practice pessimism)

[old cypress]

they might have found one already and are waiting for the verdict to move things forward

[dense bramble]

oh okay thats nice

[old cypress]

They almost debuted as njz so they had something in mind already. It's unlikely their plans would change that much

[empty halo]

i think its gonna be a new label tbh

[vale grove]

They definitely had a label in line and contracts drafted up, it’s just a matter of time

[empty halo]

after being treated so bad by their previous one, having a whole new label is much safer. you get more control over your career

we dont know ofc but I think thats most likely

they could even have mhj back as their CEO which is what they prefer

[ashen charm]

Yes but it makes everything else harder

[empty halo]

how so? obviously setting up a label is no easy task but they do have the support of mhj, ex ador employees and more. also, they considered the old ador artists central to their work too alongside mhj, getting them employed at the new label they join which already must have employees could be hard no?

[empty jetty]

Honestly if they can work with their old producers and writers I’ll just be happy

Im not saying I don’t like MHJ but I don’t think we are in a position to ask for everything when they get on a new label

[old cypress]

They will work with mhj, the whole thing started because njz requested her to come back as CEO

[empty halo]

yeah exactly, an already established label isnt gonna make min heejin their new CEO for nwjns. they could have allat in a newly created label for them

[empty halo]

no doubt about that, im saying if they have a new label centred around them then they wont just be able to work w her, but will also have her as their CEO

[old cypress]

Newjeans is massively popular, they don't need an existing label to leverage connections and stuff. They can start their own label and do very well

[empty jetty]

While i think they have a lot of money individually, i don’t think you know how big of an investment that is

[old cypress]

Not that big, just a million or two

[empty halo]

and trust people WILL want to invest in one of the most popular ( +extremely profitable) kpop groups ever. theyre a money printing machine

[pseudo heath]

That is true as well

[empty halo]

and they dont even need a budget as massive as other groups to pull that money

[ashen charm]

It's just for a powerhouse like newjeans that bring the demand it might be hard with the label fulfill the promise like venues merch ect but definitely possible it could take some time tho

[empty halo]

ADOR mostly took care of those things themselves tho, a newly created label. they got funding from hybe to debut yes, also idk about album sales and merch. but if im not wrong min heejin refused to use hybe japan's services for tokyo dome and took the help of another company. shes been in the industry for years and has many connections

[old cypress]

yeah MHJ has massive clout in the industry

[empty halo]

• other experienced people in the industry will obviously be scouted and hired for said new label

[clear hill]

Yea like if it weren’t for her there wouldn’t be so much hype for newjeans before debut

[empty jetty]

ADOR was basically independent, they never used hybe help

[clear hill]

Min heejin’s new girl group is all heard when they were still in the debuting process, not newjeans

[old cypress]

They still benefited from HYBE, there's a reason mhj went with hybe at first. MHJ herself said she had offers from other companies and partners but decided to join hybe

[ashen charm]

They were marketed as independently if I remember

[old cypress]

They were independent but they didn't operate under the environment of a nugu company

[empty halo]

in terms of their work (music, photos, videos, graphics, costuming) yes. they did seemingly organise concerts too, but physical albums + sales of these physical albums mightve been on hybe

[clear hill]

Mhj once said that when her and bsh were working for sm he said he didn’t like how sm ran things and felt it was outdated. do with that information you will but I don’t think it’s necessarily about Hybe as a label but just an unorthodox new label dominating in the industry that drew her to joining Hybe

Also this argument that newjeans wouldn’t be newjeans without Hybe is so stupid. Hybe’s financial investment into newjeans is what labels are for... it’s like when parents say “I do everything for you!i provide a roof over your head!” Like yea you’re supposed to take care of your child you brought into this world💀

[old cypress]

yeah newjeans were obviously gonna dominate kpop whether hybe existed or not

[ashen charm]

While newjeans weren't marketed as nugu it is fair to say newjeans wouldn't have been this main stream without hybe connections but that does not distract the fact that newjeans deserves everything they've worked regardless of hybes influence

[old cypress]

They would've been this mainstream, it would just have taken a little longer

[empty halo]

i do think there is a big4 clout privilege tho, most people tend to simply not pay as much attention to the activities of a group thats not big4 or from starship maybe.

[cerulean lake]

YES people are always like hybe invested in them and now they’re acting ungrateful 😵‍💫 but like that’s literally the point of a label?? literally makes no sense 😭🥴

[empty halo]

kpop fans want quick successes and dominations over the charts. nugu groups dont give u this, nugu groups can always flop and fail. but big 4 groups are never gonna FLOP. maybe theyll perform mid, but the overall success is guaranteed

[old cypress]

There is a big4 privilege but great groups will be popular regardless. The reason kpop fans struggle with this point is because they believe their own faves are the best and most creative group ever

[ashen charm]

I do agree if I've would've been in a bigger company they would've been even bigger but it's not always the case as itzy from jyp were really popular just poorly managed same with f9 with plebis

[cerulean lake]

i mean i will admit that i think being in hybe helped with their instant popularity but now, hybe is the cause of all of this 🤧🤧.

the cost of being in hybe smh

[empty halo]

being from a big 4 company 100% gave newjeans a big boost upon debut. there have been big ggs from nugu grps (loona, fifty fifty with cupid) but it took them all time to get there so

[cerulean lake]

yup. it’s just the matter of maintaining that leverage

[ashen charm]

I never liked the sublabel concept theres always gunna be groups that will be over shadowed

[cerulean lake]

i think the sublabel idea is fine. the problem is that hybe makes it seem like sublabels while they’re still encroaching on all of them and trying to put their paws in each label, which literally contradicts the point of the sublabels

[empty halo]

that instant organic blow-up of "who are these girls?" wouldnt have happened with attention bc matter of the fact is kpop stans DO NOT care who it is if they're nugu 😭 theres like a mental barrier that prevents them from getting invested in small grps

[empty halo]

some labels will get more funding, sublabel infighting, sublabels wanting to be independent etc etc. endless problems

[clear hill]

It’s such a dumb argument idky ppl even entertain that argument in the first place 😭

[old cypress]

hybe sublabel system is a scam. They make sublabels pay for overpriced shared services like weverse and it eats up idols revenue

[clear hill]

Coming from a big company will inevitably bring you more exposure and more opportunities due to increased funding and connections. This is nonsensical to be debating over this

[cerulean lake]

they just be saying anything atp. acting like all groups don’t get investments 😭

[old cypress]

I don't think anyone is debating over this

[ashen charm]

Fr hybe sees ador make phoning and instead on capitalizing on it they make everyone stick to weverse

[cerulean lake]

weverse so chopped. bring back vlive 🫩✊

[old cypress]

phoning is just a reskinned weverse anyway

[clear hill]

I’m not saying in this discord channel, I’m just saying this is s common discourse people always have in relevance to newjeans/any popular big 4 group

[cerulean lake]

anyways i think it’s time to go on the twt cleanse again 😀

[ashen charm]

Atleast phoning protected artist unlike weverse

[empty halo]

how so? was there some weverse scandal im not aware of

[ashen charm]

Phoning you can filter words out weverse if I recall can't so they see everything

[empty halo]

also question, i never rlly understood what exactly weverse and phoning are and how fans chat w the idols. do you pay a subscription to text them in a DM or gc or sumn? what if a thousand people subscribe? wouldnt the idol be obligated to reply to them all bc the fan has PAID for it?

also can I just say the concept of paying to chat w idols is kinda icky.....

[ashen charm]

I think its like bubble or instagram chats now it think it's like a community you subscribed and you ask like 3 questions a month something like that

[empty halo]

idk how bubble works either 😭 but I do know about insta communities. also i just know these fans are paying exorbitant amounts of money for 3 questions a month lmaoo

[ashen charm]

Yeah it's crazy and every member is extra 4 dollars

[empty jetty]

Phoning was so good man(besides a few things)

[empty halo]

STOPP LMAOO

fans who pay allat to ask 3 questions a month are getting scammed ||and are lowkey clowns|| im sorry

[empty halo]

I remember installing it when they debuted but it worked so slow i deleted it 😭 maybe it improved later

man looking back i remember when ador was created and they used to drop those short 3d visualisers

been a newjeans fan from -200 days

[ashen charm]

Phoning was free then fraud ador made people pay for it

[empty halo]

YESSS IT WAS FREE!!! and super slow (for me)

i guess it was their strategy, get the fans invested into free material but then make that free material paid. now the people who were invested will be willing to pay for it

[upbeat stream]

For me, it was worth it. They were so active

[empty jetty]

They did, but the buffering was bad sometimes on streams and the translation was…(at least it was funny sometimes)

-minjihello

[tall dew]

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[storm warren]

I don't care about masters or IP. It can be rebuilt, old songs still can be performed in one way or another even if they don't own it, but freedom and their health matters. no one in sane mind should think that NJZ will be fine in establishment lead by BSH, vindictive vile petty pathetic individual

[empty halo]

LMAOOO

[vale grove]

🤔 I agree

[empty halo]

the establishment wont be run by jailed si hyuk anymore trust, not that they should go back even if bsh is gone. anyways agreed i dont even care if they take a few years off their careers to relax. i care more about human beings than the content they pump out, even if i thoroughly enjoy the content

[storm warren]

he wont go to jail, this is corrupt world

[empty halo]

human being and their well-being > art the produce

[storm warren]

and his minions are like him. there is no way anyone in that company is normal

[empty halo]

idk to me it seems like the new govt wants a scapegoat and bsh is it. and if they want to crack down on him, its not like he's some chaebol who can escape it no matter what

[storm warren]

he is still free bc he has connections

[empty halo]

theyre still prosecuting him

[storm warren]

i will celebrate it when it happens. i dont believe in corrupt system

[ashen charm]

This win isn't only for newjeans its for all the artist trapped at hybe

[empty halo]

and if im not wrong countries like korea dont rlly prosecute ppl unless theyre confident theyll win

[storm warren]

i dont think those artists have problem with being "trapped" by visionary BSH and HYBE

[empty halo]

we dont know if they like their company or not

[surreal goblet]

Regarding njz, let's say they have to go back to ador and they fulfill their contract, will it get extended 1 more year since loss of activity and profit during inactivity?

[storm warren]

why we say something that wont happen

[empty halo]

they wont go back no matter what so that's simply not a possibility people have thought of, if they lose the lawsuit they will file for termination with ador and leave lol

[surreal goblet]

Ok got it, how much is the termination fee?

[empty halo]

theyve stated an endless amount of times how theyre not going back no matter what and even being near the hybe around makes them stressed and makes them need to take anti depressants, so that's not a possibility

[ashen charm]

If they win nothing but if they don't it's gunna be more that what they tried to settle

[empty halo]

no exact amount known, but the court will probably decide a reasonable amount that the members can actually pay.

[surreal goblet]

Ok and this might sound crazy but will they get blacklisted in korea like when the tvxq members left, i know this was long time ago

[ashen charm]

Yeah regardless of the outcome newjeans won't go back to ador they'll pay if it means leaving

[tidal crystal]

Wait has the 2nd mediaition if so what happened?

[empty jetty]

No settlement

[empty halo]

idk much about the tvxq case, but newjeans are massive and a make a LOT of money and views. places like music shows and such probably would not want to miss out on that money, is my guess but idk

[ashen charm]

Blacklisting isn't at thing really anymore it is for small groups but no body is gunna turn down newjeans just for hybe

[empty halo]

no settlement, the court will come to a verdict on October 30th then

[tidal crystal]

So October is when we found out what the final result is, or is there a possibility that this whole thing goes past October

[empty halo]

naww its october 30th, the final verdict

[empty jetty]

Yes

[tidal crystal]

Thank you so much, I hope and want them to win, also thank you @empty jetty as well, sorry for ping if yall don’t like pings

[ashen charm]

The verdict will be 30th but both will appeal regardless who wins

[empty jetty]

Explain on kpop terms

[empty halo]

its okay, no problem!!

[empty halo]

hybe = flop
newjeans = 🔛 🔝

[storm warren]

its about why audit was initiated. mhj says it was retaliatory after she filed complaint letter, hybe said previously that they have been investigating mhj for months and had info that she leaked confidential info and sourced investors. today clo said he initiated audit after seeing mhj complaint which increases possibility of it being retaliatory audit after her complaint

they are caught in their web of lies

[cerulean lake]

why do these judges not see the contradicting statements these hybe people make

one email really done pissed those guys off 😭

[storm warren]

the judge will compare statements and evidences before verdict

[cerulean lake]

i need the judge to do that for njz’s case too 🙂‍↕️

[empty halo]

i think namiko or someone had mentioned that the judge in the njz case has a positive record of siding w workers in the past which is good. based on his statements he seems to be more on the fence on this one tho

[storm warren]

yes because it will set precedent and he doesnt want to be that guy

settlement was safest choice even for the judge

[empty jetty]

Tbf it’s not the first time something similar happens(LOONA)

Although theirs was a bit easier on the judge side

[storm warren]

loona case is different, it does not set precedent

their contract was transferred to jpn company without their knowledge etc etc

[empty jetty]

Fifty fifty didn’t take it to court, right?

[storm warren]

it was strictly contractual issue iirc. NJZ issue is more about breakdown of trust and what does that trust entail in 7 year long contract

[empty jetty]

I seriously think 30s is excessive

[empty halo]

also loona was flat out not paid

[storm warren]

yeah, njz case does not fit in any usual artist vs company dispute

it sets precedent bc it will hold agency accountable for failing their duty to protect and manage their sole asset

[empty halo]

and he isnt even particularly wrong when he says that a breakdown of trust isnt necessarily objective, its a more subjective thing. ofc, in my opinion nwjns or any other group for the matter should be able to leave for whatever reason bc i hate companies and they drop artists for subjective reasons too, but how will this hold up in a lawsuit? we dont know

[storm warren]

also the judge needs to consider possibility of appeals that will follow after he makes ruling. it means he will have to work again and make statements why he ruled like this and make sure that his ruling wont be overruled by higher court and then supreme court because thats embarrassing

settlement is final, first instance court ruling is just beginning

[empty halo]

ador 100% will appeal if they lose but will njz appeal if they lose tho? if they could straight up terminate w ador? theyve already lost an appeal in the past

[storm warren]

njz will also appeal

they have no other choice too

[empty halo]

and this judge is still more favourable to workers, what if a judge in a higher court is worse

[storm warren]

it will be win for us if he determines that contract is no longer valid and enforceable, doesnt matter if njz side gets to pay compensation or not

but njz losing will be hell in many ways we dont imagine bc hybe wants them to never return to ent industry

[empty halo]

if they lose then the contracts validity is confirmed. which means that they can terminate w ador. would they not consider this an option? and ive constantly heard ppl say the court will decide a reasonable termination fee

[storm warren]

they can terminate via legal means again

and they wont be able to do it. ador has to terminate i think.

[empty halo]

thats what im saying, if they could do this why appeal to the court which could possibly just re-enforce the main ruling

[storm warren]

bc they wont be able to terminate with new lawsuit either way