NJZ Updates and Discussion

[empty jetty]

https://fxtwitter.com/MinotaurKard/status/1961061354749706545?t=Weif0kWoI_RiuIhjxBb6EA&s=33

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

So, theres a slight confusion regarding this.
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︀︀Yes - this motion allows MHJ to testify directly so that her statements can be used as evidence at trial.. BUT it can also be used to summon the head representative of the other party, in this case, HYBEs CEO, Lee Jae-sang.. to testify (if granted, of course)

Quoting PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)
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#MHJvsHYBE so mhj (or her lawyers) asked the court to let her testify directly as evidence..so instead of relying only on documents or third-party witnesses, she wants the court to hear her own version of events under formal examination...that woman has so much to say omo 📢

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FxTwitter · Aug 28, 2025, 1:40 PM

[copper jetty]

Wait so mhj yapping in court is being opposed by hybe. That's the bottomline of this right??

[clear hill]

He has a really weird obsession w a specific type of visual for his ggs lol he’s so weird

[copper jetty]

He's obsessed with the east Asian looks...

[pseudo heath]

did he oppose hanni or jus danielle

[clear hill]

This is the modern version of women being punished for simply yapping too much and being annoying 💀

[clear hill]

He didnt oppose hanni, just Dani. He thought she looked too western.

[clear hill]

He’s otaku bestie

[pseudo heath]

the more I hear about this guy the more I jus wanna sock him if I ever see him

[feral tapir]

who are we talking about here

[pseudo heath]

Bsh

[clear hill]

Also during their debut a suspicious number of kr YouTube videos would pop up talking about how Dani doesn’t fit newjeans,Dani being a visual hole, shaming Dani’s looks etc. The earliest Hybe media play against newjeans and they literally just debuted. So pathetic

[feral tapir]

that man still alive?

[pseudo heath]

He should've been ostracised from society the moment he was born

[feral tapir]

dani probably mogs 99.9% of them +0.01%

[clear hill]

Not probably, she does mog all haters lol

[feral tapir]

she does

[dull geyser]

nooooo i meant belift using the clover help 😭😭 sorry that was worded confusingly

im pretty sure they did get better conditions, the staff arent in their team anymore but i still wouldnt support jype for letting that happen

its discord and i dont think anyone's going to go through all the trouble just to fine us

i mean i feel like giving money to zios/abusers is objectively worse

[frozen granite]

What’s happening ??? Can someone fill me in? Just a tltr

[pseudo heath]

https://www.vulture.com/article/hybe-feud-ador-min-hee-jin-newjeans.html

[cinder narwhal]

let's be real koreans usually don't like mixed races

it's not a bang only issue

was the slow mode extended 😭

[empty jetty]

Yeah

[cinder narwhal]

who's the spammer 😤

[empty jetty]

Im not blaming someone specifically but it happened after someone made a very bad taste joke

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1961247100907168069?t=flgQt2t2WyROCJqy1LfI4g&s=33

Shamanz MHDHH (@shamanjz)

Gives an idea (esp on 2nd SS).

Today is i think the end of the summer vacation of FSS/FSC? (forgot which) So by next week, we should be getting more progress on his sht.

Happy Friday, peeps!

https://t.co/JzjCobPzep

X · Aug 29, 2025, 1:58 AM

I forgot that the people investigating had vacation.

Hopefully we'll hear more soon.

[cinder narwhal]

same company with wendy and you can see she's so much more active now. so many shows, an album, and a world tour

[dull geyser]

what company is it?

also atp we should change the name of this thread to intense hybe hate

[feral tapir]

sm is cooked?

[dull geyser]

save aespa from this 🙏

[cinder narwhal]

asnd

[dull geyser]

guys boycotting is so fking torturous when illit and h2h albums exist

[copper jetty]

Nah this is more of kakao than sm

[heady gate]

This is the tltr. NJ and MHJ have court cases on Sep 11. Come back on Sep 11.

[dull geyser]

wait nj does too? i thought they only had the final verdict on oct 31 or is it another case

[frozen granite]

Second mediation

[pseudo heath]

I predict haerin turning up

[heady gate]

yea, we need to see the missing cat

[dull geyser]

is anything actually going to happen tho 😭🙏

[frozen granite]

I don’t think so tbh

[dull geyser]

its so pointless why cant we just fast forward to final verdict 😭😭

[heady gate]

We may get a 3rd mediation. 😅

[tidal crystal]

It’s possible it’s going to end on the second if not then on the final verdict, from what I know

[craggy horizon]

They just replaced the second CEO with a third one recently. HYBE prolly wanted to drag this out until October. They're that terrible.

I noticed that HYBE is also using the woman leaders in their company to replace the ADOR CEOs.

Woman always catches the stray from the actions of that terrible male dominated company.

NewJeans, MHJ, Ador staffs, the replacement CEOs, ILLIT, Le Seraffim, Gfriend, 🥲

[dull geyser]

WHYYYY

[heady gate]

I am speculating

[short laurel]

Replacement ceo isn't good either. She taking credit for tokyo dom n popup store when she wasn't even in ador

N tried to sue ppl who pointed it out

[dull geyser]

omg i remember that girl

[craggy horizon]

What do you expect from BSH lapdogs

[dull geyser]

she was in belift wasnt she

[craggy horizon]

Bethief*

They got another plagiarism case from that yeonjun key chain 🥲

[empty halo]

what?? did mhj say this or.... like whats the source

[empty halo]

i see

[empty halo]

just pirate the songs

[clear hill]

I’m pretty sure she talked about this in the press conference. I remember her talking about BSH stalling them from debuting/him finding the concept to be strange and didn’t think it would succeed, her begging him to finally debut them,etc

[empty halo]

yeah I know that part but I didnt know he shamed dani for her looks thats crazy

[clear hill]

Yea it’s so crazy bc she’s one of the most charming members

[dull geyser]

i do 😭 i mean their album designs r so cute i wanna buy the chase so bad

[empty halo]

ohh in that case 💔

[dull geyser]

real

i love dani sm we share the same hometown

[clear hill]

Wait really???! That’s so cool 🥺

[dull geyser]

yeahhh i even have a bunch of friends in the school she went to its so funny bc i cant believe someone from my city would be this famous

[clear hill]

I bet your city is proud of Dani tho 🥲

[frozen granite]

Speculate that the girls will win

[dull geyser]

i mean, not many people are huge fans of newjeans here but yeah 😭😭

[empty jetty]

Why?

[clear hill]

That’s sad :((

[dull geyser]

they're not really widely known in australia, and people probably would have heard of them but they def wouldnt know dani's from our city, or even any of the members 😭

even the kpop fans ik didnt know she was from our city until i brought it up

[short laurel]

many only listen to music. they don't know anything other than they are kpop. that's GP

[pseudo heath]

GP?

[short laurel]

General public

[marsh roost]

like everything in art, the meaning will be up for interpretation even if you have an "official" one. Personally the idea is pretty obvious to me, and I like it, appreciate the boldness

[bronze talon]

its all about themselves living a life with their own opinions being right and others wrong aka the one opinions or even fact which dont benefit their agenda automatically = youre wrong i dont want my agenda to be destroyed on what i think about this
its the typical person you dont wanna bother with

[old cypress]

what new evidence?

I mean, what's the revelation of the debut plans thing?

you don't understand. I'm asking where you saw that. You said new so I'm assuming it's something recent

Because I'm not aware of anything that got revealed recently

ah ok, you said new so I was wondering

[subtle matrix]

I don't think the song was purposefully made with a "sexual agenda" but the lyrics are definitely a bit sus given that it is (read: was) a group of minors lol and I'm saying this as someone who loves the song (easily my favourite newjeans song)

I am an amoral consumer of music idc as long as it's groovy

Also I think the narrative about "cookie" being a euphemism for... something else was always hella forced lol that is not a thing

[clear hill]

I feel like the reason why so many people got that impression at first is because of newjeans’ niche that is heavily inspired from blk American culture. Which isn’t to say kpop isn’t but mhj created a niche within kpop that takes massive influence from black American hip hop culture that isn’t directly culture appropriation and a poor attempt of a hip hop concept.

There’s also this other aspect of cultural clashes and lack of understanding when 2 different cultures mesh together. It’s not crazy to say that a lot of this pushback is coming from western fans.It’s a nuanced conversation to have because you’d have to have an understanding of both cultural differences.

Nuanced discourse doesn’t always have a concise conclusion of bad or good. And that’s okay. We don’t have to keep searching for the hidden meaning and try to prove people wrong.

There’s lots of nuances to this conversation but i feel like we bunnies have had this convo plenty of times—whether you’re on the opposing or supporting end. It’s not productive to keep having this conversation because there is no end goal and we should just direct our energy into bigger things tbh

[short laurel]

if we are going this deep on cookie. let me remind everyone that there are sooooooooo many kpop songs sung by groups with minor members even from old groups have sus lyrics. much more clearly than cookie's case which i still think is forced.
MHJ is the only one i've seen getting hated for songs. but it's always so less in other groups case.
this hypocrisy annoys me.

can we atleast appreciate that newjeans got to wear decent clothes, had nice choreography, nice team who care about girls health, no obsession over height or weight but purely music.
meanwhile many of big kpop groups have/had shit fits, even inappropriate for their age according to many, explicit lyrics and choreography, team who treat idols like puppets with zero creative input in early years, over worked, overly reliant on energy pills, and always struggling with lack of energy cuz of forced to maintain weight and height.

people c 1 thing wrong with cookie(which i still think is forced hate) and start hating on MHJ and her team while ignoring so much things MHJ did right which is rarity in the industry worldwide, not just kpop.

[empty halo]

who remembers the ETA controversy

when they were accused of dropping hints related to a spanish terror group or sumn ❓

theres controversy attached to every nwjns EP

[pseudo heath]

Wtf lmfao

[empty halo]

ETA's mv featured characters called Mikel and Maria. ETA was the name of a terrorist organisation from Spain. According to posts on twt a guy named Mikel was the leader and Maria was his wife. Idk how accurate that info is, and after the mv came out it was clear that ETA stood for estimated time of arrival and people kinda forgot

Okay so there is an terror organisation named ETA in Spain and they did actually have a leader called Mikel who was arrested

Weird

[upbeat stream]

I would just add that the sexual meaning of cookie is kinda niche and not significant enough to even be included in Oxford or Merraim-Websters

And yes, both dictionaries have thousands of slang terms, even sexual ones

[pseudo heath]

Gotta be a coincidence

[empty halo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NewJeans/s/ns5uJ2Aq8K
this comment delves deeper into it if you're interested in reading

that top commenter did a whole lotta research

[clear hill]

Yea I feel like it’s so hypocritical seeing ppl turn their heads to sexy concepts done by idols the moment they turn 18.

[empty halo]

ohh I see

[feral tapir]

and when minors sing sus lyrics anywhere else in the world no one gives a shit

[empty halo]

if newjeans made gnarly, released it in the US and did that choreo it'd be so over for them, but somehow eyekons made excuses for yoonchae and HYBE got away w it. mind you the producers got the moans for the song from actual adult media

[feral tapir]

yeah ik about that

[empty halo]

okay but a question for yall : what do you think of minors debuting in kpop? nwjns got more flack for it than most groups yes but what do you think about it in general?

its a common practice in the industry but i dont think that justifies it

[feral tapir]

to be honest, it shouldn't even be a thing, putting young people in such stressful environments, exposed to crazy people non stop including pdos, stalker, perverts, and whatever mentally ill people out there, it's just dangerous and toxic, also the crazy amount of practice they have will most likely have a bad impact on their body later on since theyre still not fully developed

debuting minors is bad in any aspect

[empty halo]

ive been a fan of nwjns from day 1, i was there when attention dropped and I do love them but i dont think them debuting at such a young age couldve done much good for them

[feral tapir]

i think the required age to debut should be 20 at least

[empty halo]

exactly and some of these things did happen to nwjns too. a guy broke into their dorms (thankfully they werent there) and they were the biggest group while they were active. that level of fame mustve had a bad impact on them. also they were completely ostracised within hybe and that hurts even when youre an adult but you can probably cope w it better

[empty halo]

agreed

[clear hill]

“It’s normal in the US” no it isnt!!! Just because you SEE it doesn’t means it’s okay, hope that helps!❤️

[feral tapir]

why have i never heard of the guy breaking in their dorm

[empty halo]

• theres a diff between a teen girl doing a fun dance challenge with twerking and a song that has moans and a choreographers deliberately including twerking in a choreo w a 17 year old.

[pseudo heath]

Agreed, too much pressure and stress and don't get me started on the weird fans

[empty halo]

it was after they had left ador, so they werent there in the dorms. the guy broke into and stole some banners or something? imagine if they were there 😭

[feral tapir]

and also, minors are just not mature enough to do things like that, wether it's emotionally or whatever, i mean ofc they can be somewhat mature but still not on an adult level and that's anything but good for them, their ways of handling things is probably not the best at that age

[feral tapir]

nah what the fuck

[feral tapir]

they can act mature but inside they're not

[clear hill]

Tbh the more I think about Hyein and look at videos of her predebut the more I realize that she WANTED to debut at an early age.

Debuting minors is not the problem, it’s the lack of protection they have from being exploited and groomed and coerced into doing things. There needs to be laws and regulations so that way minors in the kpop (or ent industry anywhere in the world) don’t get exposed to these things.

[empty halo]

totally agreed. also the gruesome schedules? these teen idols do concerts, interviews, music shows, award shows, modelling back to back. its an unhealthy and unstable lifestyle NOT fit for growing teens

[pseudo heath]

im the only exception ofc 😎

[pseudo heath]

and dont the companies force idols on diets that cannot be good for them

[feral tapir]

i get your point but we both no aint no one gonna protect them, that's why they shouldnt debut as minors

[clear hill]

BUT... due to the idol industry being heavy on fan service, I don’t think it’s appropriate to allow minors to debut. That’s the major issue

[empty halo]

im gonna have to disagree. even posting photos of minors online is a safety hazard. even if the industry puts up great rules and regulations for the well being of minors, that level of fame at such a young age isnt great for you. even if the internal industry is great the external world will scrutinize you endlessly. people literally speculated on hyeins parents being separated and whatnot, what sort of internal regulations could've helped that?

[feral tapir]

brother i've heard of an idol's diet being 1 ice cube per day

[pseudo heath]

theyre always gonna prioritise profit over wellbeing of their idols, even if its at the cost of their mental/physical health.

[empty halo]

every company does, so yes it's quite bad for them. its bad for adults too ofc but for teens that are still growing its arguably worse

[pseudo heath]

yeah thats fucked (30 second slowmode is killing me)

[feral tapir]

ME TOO

[empty halo]

momo :(((

[feral tapir]

it's not like the server is overcrowded man let us SPEAK🥀🥀

[pseudo heath]

yeah jyp is disgusting for that

[empty halo]

regardless of what we think of min heejin i dont think she shouldve debuted a group full of minors like the rest of the industry

[feral tapir]

i guess we'll never know

[empty halo]

thats something she did that I cant get behind

[feral tapir]

i misread that mb

[empty halo]

its alr

[feral tapir]

im seeing 2009 people debuting like what

[pseudo heath]

One year older than my sister, thats bad

[feral tapir]

bro just came out of the womb what are u talking about debut

[empty halo]

also I feel like a debut like attention is not really TEEN centred? its something that a hanni and minji in their early 20s could eat up. its just very youthful and energetic and thats something that could easily apply to like 23-24 year old artists too

[feral tapir]

they dont want the songs to be teen centered they went the idols to be teens

[empty halo]

when I see idols younger than me, even if it's just by a year like Chiquita, im immediately clocked out like im sorry im just more interested in idols my age or older skskdjdjfk

[feral tapir]

literally

[empty halo]

sometimes I think it isn't even about pandering to creeps. its more so about control. kpop companies can control teenagers much more efficiently and thats probably why they debut them. bc fans dont mind grown idols either, look at aespa theyre at the top of their game

[pseudo heath]

for me everyone in newjeans is my age or older so that doesn't affect me

[clear hill]

Yea I was gonna make my second point 😭 people want to deny it but the idol industry is s0ftc0re p0rn. It literally reinforces it. It’s literally a slippery slope from there for idols to avoid getting sexually harassed, exploited, coerced, etc. I’m not saying it’s straight up working in a s3x industry, please don’t misunderstand me but I think a lot of people sugarcoat kpop and dismiss the normalization of idols being sexually harassed by fans,coerced into wearing and doing things they’re uncomfortable w, the encouraged parasocial behaviours for fans to have, etc.

[empty halo]

sameee

[clear hill]

Yeah I wasn’t saying minors should be able to debut

[short laurel]

i skipped most of the chat here. but i'll say this. i don't mind minors debuting. but it has to be less professional. many kids and teens dream of it. not just kpop but globally.
my issue is with company and fandoms who expect professionalism from kids.
there can be and there are planty of concepts and work done by teens which are not super professional but is popular without putting pressure on them like kpop does.

[empty halo]

yeah they really need a minimum age cap in the kpop industry. 19-20 would be ideal

[feral tapir]

yup and just yesterday i was scrolling on insta and ended up on a karina video but the guy slowed it down and zoomed in on her chest, checked the comments hoping to see people trash talking the owner of the account but it was just filled with perverts enjoying it and there are so many accounts like these it's disgusting

[empty halo]

kids and teens can dream of being idols and not just flat out debut at that age too tho 😭 just bc a kid dreams of being a pilot doesnt mean u make them a pilot now. they can be an idol later down in life too no?

[feral tapir]

i dream to be rich yet here i am laying in bed using discord🥀

[short laurel]

like there can be school idol groups, targetted at schools. they are still in their field, still an idol. just not super professional.

[clear hill]

Also like what you guys are mentioning, the unhealthy diets they’re being put onto, the intense schedules, the constant pressure they’re on from their company, the apathy from tabloids and media and the general public, it’s an extremely exploitative industry that puts idols st a tough position to look past that all for the sake of being an idol. This is literally the current situation the girls are facing. The moral apathy people have for newjeans because they think they should just suck it up and they chose this life for themselves.

[pseudo heath]

same shit will happen to minors which is even more disgusting yet it no one seems to care which is sad

[empty halo]

perhaps as long as they dont put them out on tv and the internet. those arent safe spaces for kids to be in.

[feral tapir]

wether they're minors or not, in both cases it's disgusting, people are mentally disturbed

[short laurel]

i mean like keep the level low. like in sports there's school level, below 16 and so.

[feral tapir]

it's not even about the level it's about the audience

i wouldnt mind minors debuting if people were not fucking crazy

[short laurel]

yea and target audience accordingly. i did mention my issue is with fandom and companies expecting kids to be professional.

[empty halo]

and its not a minor's fault that they debut. if you hand a kid who wants to be a f1 racer the keys to a car ofc theyll start driving 💀

[feral tapir]

that's links to what i was saying earlier, lack of maturity at that age

[short laurel]

there are idols who were forced in the industry by parents.

[empty halo]

im glad that people in the fandom agree that all groups including nwjns debuting as minors isnt great tho

[clear hill]

Oh my god don’t even get me started on that. Whenever I scroll too far on tt on a kpop vid I always get weird vids from f3tish accounts of idols’ close up body part. Like armpits or a slow mo video of them dancing in really uncomfortable and intimate angles. It’s so disturbing knowing that idol meet and greets are a cesspool for p3verted men who go simply to gather content for other sick and depraved p3rverted men online. The idea of fan meets make me so uncomfortable because of this.

[feral tapir]

what the hellll

[empty halo]

sometimes i try to look up subreddits of certain groups and just below the main subreddits, theres the nsfw ones

with THOUSANDS of members, ALWAYS. every group has it. AAAAAAAA

[clear hill]

ALSO IM NOT SAYING BGS DONT EXPERIENCE S3XUAL HARRASSMENT!!

[empty halo]

their "fans" are just as unhinged

[pseudo heath]

dw im sure everyone understands what youre saying

[clear hill]

I’m not a bg stan so i have nothing to say regarding them and i know women can also be creeps before someone says this 💀

[feral tapir]

yup and idk why stylists have to make such revealing outfits knowing these creeps are out there, when they can slay "normal" outfits as well but eh that's probably part of the business (which is lowkey disgusting)

[empty halo]

i lowk dont understand the mindset of parents who let their kids debut as minors. maybe in the 2000s and early 2010s it could be avoided, but in this day and age EVERYONE knows how awful the idol industry is. im not judging their parenting im just curious as to why

[short laurel]

i can give hanni and dani parents a pass since they not in korea. but honestly i look down on other members parents for not telling their kids to wait few years more. learning how dark kpop is i can't help it but be disappointed at them for not researching how dark industry is and letting their kids still minor go for it.

[feral tapir]

to be honest, some parents probably didn't even know how bad the industry is and just wanted to see their kid achieve their dreams

[short laurel]

when JK was minor. army used to call themselves very proundly ||p*do noona||

[empty halo]

hearts2hearts is filled w middle school dropouts if im not wrong and that breaks my heart 😭 💔

[pseudo heath]

its sad that some parents disregard their children and see them as money printing machines.

[empty halo]

they missed out on MIDDLE school learning. that's EXTREMELY important.

[clear hill]

Omg this just made me remember a thought I had a long time ago. Do you guys notice how the s3xual ai created pics of Asian women all have a familiar... look to them? they all look like karina. And knowing that this was put in the prompts so often that ai has learned this data is so fucking disgusting

[short laurel]

really impressed with njz for completely their education while being trainee even after somu told them to drop out

[empty halo]

okay thats really disturbing. AI eats real photos to shit out the garbage it does so the sexualised ai pics we see probably did involve idols in the training of the ai

[pseudo heath]

I havent seen these ai pictures but i wouldn't be shocked to hear that

[clear hill]

If anyone wants to see, go take a look for yourself. This was first noticed by me in 2023 when ai was slowly being integrated in mainstream media.

[feral tapir]

it's making me sick just reading that

[empty halo]

i think haerin dropped out but she got her GED. im glad she did and I REALLY hope the h2h members do too

[short laurel]

yesterday i saw an AI made solo idol. she probably voice synthesizer like vocaloid's like miku. but model was clearly made with AI. she looked like karina at some angle. it's a real solo model launchign soon

[clear hill]

They all look like an amalgamation of wonyoung and karina. Ai makes me so fucking sick.

[feral tapir]

that's why whenever i see somewhat revealing outfits i'm like "oh my god no" bc you KNOW how the creeps are gonna do weird stuff about it

[short laurel]

yea. that's why i said NJZ

[empty halo]

i like the fact that aespa debuted as all adults and still made it so big tho. i thought it would set a positive precedent but apparently not.

[old cypress]

the thing is most kpop fans are teenagers, so you want idols their age

[feral tapir]

bro apparently minji was supposed to debut in aespa but she refused to go to sm

[old cypress]

not idols 5 years older than their fans

[feral tapir]

im gonna have to disagree with this, tho i still kinda agree but have you seen these middle aged women armys💀💀💀oh my god how cringe they are i cant with them

[old cypress]

you can't disagree with facts, most kpop fans in Korea are teens. Middle and highschoolers

[pseudo heath]

Is that not jus a minority? Still weird though

[feral tapir]

i do hope it's a minority cus it's fucking weird at that big age

going crazy over young people, even tho bts r getting old

[clear hill]

To me it literally doesn’t matter because SM’s idea of debuting an AI concept catapulted this obsession w AI visuals. It also makes AI to learn so much easier.

[empty halo]

aespa is arguably the biggest active 4th gen grp rn and they have 0 minors. lesserafims biggest members, chaewon sakura and yunjin were adults during debut. matter of fact, older members do usually tend to get more popular. even in nwjns, hanni and minji were forming a lot of solo stans before.... everything happened. its not about teens wanting idols their age as much as it is about companies wanting teen idols bc they're easier to control and shapr

[feral tapir]

ofc

[old cypress]

That makes no sense because aespa were teens when they were training at SM anyway

[empty halo]

katseye isnt kpop sure but their fanbase is mostly teen girls, and all of the members who are adults are extremely loved by said teen girls

[empty halo]

im talking about how teen fans dont have a specific preference for teen idols and usually like women in their early 20s more

[empty halo]

u reminded me of their weird ass æ personas

[clear hill]

I don’t think it’s really applicable ESP considering mhj’s concept for newjeans in the first place. The reason why newjeans is so successful is because they’re your average girls that you would go to class with and that was refreshing for 4th gen.

[feral tapir]

nævis?

[empty halo]

well theres her but the members also had animated avatars

[clear hill]

She wanted teen influencer and gave us newjeans. And that’s exactly why newjeans resonates with so many people. Even I find myself admiring this concept because it brings me feelings of being a girl going through girlhood and having your friends by your side.

[clear hill]

Omg that art style pisses me off so much I’m sorry 💀 looks like kpop demon hunters and they look so uncanny.

[empty halo]

yes i understand that that was the concept but i dont think a group made up very specifically of minors only was as necessary for that I guess. the members are mostly adults now and they still feel youthful and fresh. theyve already made their debut now, so i guess arguing about them specifically isnt very useful

[red thorn]

Rather than debut young the concern still at trained at very young age, and most likely with plan & program groomed for mature concept

[empty halo]

those avatars were NOT cool they were goofy looking. also ill be a naevis hater for life her music is ass

[clear hill]

Hmm I don’t think that really matters since adults play teenagers in hs in movies and shows anyways. I was just replying to this

[empty halo]

exactly my point!!

[clear hill]

Also let’s not pretend like a lot of tweens/teens live vicariously through kpop idols. It’s why kpop is so glamorized. It’s so easy for young impressionable girls to thing that’s the dream life

[old cypress]

again this isn't exactly true. Lesserafim biggest members are chaewon (who debuted at 18 in izone) and eunchae. IVE is wonyoung and yujin who both debuted very young (and wonyoung was still a minor when she debuted in IVE). Newjeans were mostly minors as well. Karina was 20 when she debuted and Ningning was 18. The "ideal" age range to debut idols is 16-20, basically teen years because most kpop fans want to stan someone relatively close to their age

[clear hill]

Omg this reminds me of pandora 💀💀💀like what was that LMAO did we just all collectively agree to forget that happened

[feral tapir]

by mave?

[clear hill]

Yes LOL

[feral tapir]

bro this song is good tho 😭

[upbeat stream]

Most groups' fans are about their age. So BTS fans for example are mostly in their 20s and 30s, with many in their 40s as well

Newjeans or ive obviously have a much younger fanbase

[empty halo]

eunchae is bigger than sakura and yunjin? well thats news to me, about chaewon wonyoung and yujin youre right yes. they do want someone relatively close to their age i agree but that doesnt necessarily have to be someone whos 13-18. idols in their early 20s do well in the industry and garner huge fanbases too, like karina and manon for example. i doubt that teen fans would lose interest in the industry if idols in their 20s became the norm.

[old cypress]

Sakura and yunjin have little popularity so yeah eunchae is more popular

[empty halo]

so goofy

[upbeat stream]

Than Sakura? I don't think so

[old cypress]

13 is obviously way too young and these idols tend to flop so it's clearly a mistake to debut them. Many companies thought it was viable when Wonyoung became the next it girl but reality is setting in and it's likely there will be less and less 14y olds debuting

[empty halo]

yunjin has 9.6M followers on instagram and eunchae has 5M something, idk i feel like yunjin's way more popular esp with western fans

[old cypress]

again i'm talking about korea

[empty halo]

im not sure in that case

[old cypress]

well as a lsfm fan, I am sure

In Korea it's Chaewon then Kazuha/Eunchae. Sakura Yunjin are noticeably behind in terms of popularity

[empty halo]

groups like kiiikiii and babymonster debuted w 13-14 year old members tho. i dont really see the trend dying

[upbeat stream]

Oh I thought you were talking about global popularity. Makes sense that japanese member won't be as popular in korea

[old cypress]

zuha is popular lol

[empty halo]

am i dumb or does it feel like newjeans kinda made debuting teens trendier

[old cypress]

clearly yes

[upbeat stream]

Wonyoung and Yujin too

[old cypress]

but Kya has no popularity at all. So it wasn't a good idea to debut her

[empty halo]

that was quite a while ago tho, newjeans almost re-affirmed that debuting minors is good

[upbeat stream]

3rd gen had teens debuting too, but less than 2nd gen

[clear hill]

Let’s be fr the ages companies seek are getting younger and younger. Also someone bring a trainee their whole teen years is just as bad as debuting young imo. At the end of the day we have to remember that trainees’ end goal is to debut and most pour all of their life and energy into a slim chance of becoming an idol one day.

[old cypress]

Everyone is a trainee during their teen years. You cannot build the necessary skills to debut within months...

[upbeat stream]

In fact when newjeans debuted, everyone was saying it reminds them of wonder girls in terms of age

[clear hill]

That’s exactly my point. We are focused too much on idols WHO DEBUT rather than the big picture of teenagers getting into the idol industry at a young age.

[old cypress]

Hyuna debuted really early yeah. Suzy as well

[upbeat stream]

Wonder girls is an apt comparison in terms of instantly smashing as well. Very early on in their career, they got 3 massive hits, that remain 3 of the biggest kpop songs of all time

[empty halo]

are there any instances of idols training and debuting as *adults?

[old cypress]

There's no idol industry if everyone wait for everyone to turn 18 before training them for 5 years in order to debut them at 23-24. What is necessary is more regulation in everything so the industry is not as exploitative

[upbeat stream]

I think 16 should be set as the minimum age to debut

[old cypress]

Yes but they usually trained in different schools before joining the company

[empty halo]

i know she isnt kpop but manon comes to mind, she started training at 20-21 i think

[upbeat stream]

Guys, do you know the youngest well-known idol to debut?

[old cypress]

I agree

[clear hill]

Ofc it’s the norm in the idol industry but this is exactly why we’re having this conversation in the first place. Idols are set up to be exploited and expected to put their entire life on the line for the chance of debuting. This practice is unhealthy and doesn’t work anywhere else. This trainee system of the idol industry is literally set up for children to devote their entire lives for debuting. It’s not okay

[old cypress]

Wonyoung

[upbeat stream]

BoA at 13, as far as I know

[old cypress]

The same can be said for athletes and musicians. They also put their life on the line for a chance of success

[upbeat stream]

This is why it's especially cruel for source music to try to force Minji to drop out

[old cypress]

Yeah idols should stay in school as much as they can, incase their career leads to nowhere

[upbeat stream]

Trainees should continue their education so that if kpop doesn't work out for them, they have another option

[empty halo]

you could say it's necessary for athletes but it isnt as necessary for kpop trainees

[upbeat stream]

Superstar idols can drop out if they wish to, but definitely not trainees

[empty halo]

idols could start training at like 16-17 and debut 2-3 years later and still perform well

[old cypress]

This is when debuting young can come in handy, since they'll be done pretty early and can easily change career paths. If you debut at 16 you're done at 23 and it's still early enough to attend university and have plenty of time to build a career in another field.

But ideally it's probably better to shorten the contracts from 7 years to 5 years

[short laurel]

luckly korean law mandates that trainees must complete their mandatory education. though from what we know it's not been followed.

[upbeat stream]

Also, the training period for some idols is way too long. You don't need to train for 4-5 years, I think 1-3 is enough

[short laurel]

sometimes they keep trainees for long in hopes to launch them in future. seulgi and irene especially suelgi were long time trainee under SM.

[mild mist]

I dunno, fans are very demanding these days

[empty halo]

training timespans do seem to be getting shorter as companies wanna pump out groups every other year but the ages of the idols isn't getting lower

[upbeat stream]

Yep, 2nd and 3rd gen have idols who trained for 5+ years, which you would rarely see these days

[short laurel]

yea. expecting kids to be perfect singers, perfect dancers, single, have no life outside their group and fans.

[upbeat stream]

The skills needed to be a competent idol simply don't need more than 2-3 years in my opinion. Many can learn in a much shorter time span too

[clear hill]

Exactly. There’s no idol industry if everyone waits to debut st an appropriate age because the trainee-idol system relies on a contractual obligation for the trainee to repay their debts by debuting and being successful. Having a child be brought into this industry knowing that they will spend the rest of their life repaying debts is exploitative. This idol formula cant be regulated to protect idols because the idol industry relies on exploitation. Whether it’s child exploitation or just worker exploitation, it’s still a major part of the idol industry.

[old cypress]

No there's a bunch of kpop academies nowadays that's why

[short laurel]

then companies use these same things to gain sympathy for their groups.

[empty halo]

start training ➡️ 16-17
train for 2-3 years
debut ➡️ 19-20
this sounds much better to me than start training at 13 and debut at 16. what these kpop companies are doing by debuting minors very specifically is not necessary, like at all

[upbeat stream]

IU trained for just 10 months and became the greatest sensation korea has ever had

[old cypress]

The debt is not a real one, idols don't owe anything to the company once their contract expires

[empty halo]

trainees can easily gain the skills they need to debut in 2-3 years without training at academics prior

[old cypress]

Lol no

[short laurel]

she had alot of hard time. her younger days were hell. she wasn't instant sensation either. she build herself up and break the mold of idol and become a star in korea.

[old cypress]

You can try yourself and see how good you become in 2 years

[clear hill]

*Once their contract expires.*That’s the thing. Hello, are we forgetting that newjeans are still under contractual obligation for 7 more years?? 😭

[short laurel]

only top talents can do that in that short time...

very top of the pile

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, I am a uaena. It honestly didn't take that long. Her debut flopped, but her first and second comebacks did ok, and then she blew up with Nagging less than 2 years from debut. But yes, she worked very hard in her early years

But still, the point was her training period: just 10 months

[clear hill]

Regardless of debt I don’t think it should be controversial to say that trainees should spend their whole lives training even though a debut isn’t guaranteed. And the issue at hand is minors who get into this industry at a young age who waste their years away training for a CHANCE.

[old cypress]

IU trained at another company before Loen Entertainment. And also IU isn't very good at dancing at all

[upbeat stream]

There's a lot of idols though who trained for under 2 years. And these days, I think most trained for under 4 years

[old cypress]

From the current company, this is misleading as almost everyone has some training before joining the company

[empty halo]

if you combine the amount of time Giselle spent at an academy + SM it adds up to about 1.5-2 years if im not wrong. Also katseye went through a similar training system as kpop and many of them had no serious prior experience in dancing like lara, they got done in way less than 3 years and they do their choreos and performances well enough

[upbeat stream]

Yes, but she said once that she trained for only 10 months total. She underestimates her dancing skills, often for comedic effect. Her Red Shoes era performances are up there with a typical idol group in terms of dancing

[short laurel]

alot of kids with interest in music and dancing start training from their school days. not everyone gets professional training, but those practice helps when they go under a label. infact companies not just select random kids. they audition kids, they c if they can sing or dance. after that they go under training. it's not like trainees under these companeis are startign from zero. there are some but not all.

[old cypress]

have you watched Katseye documentary? It was a super intense training bootcamp

[empty halo]

do most trainee environments not look like that?

[old cypress]

Exactly most go through auditions and already have some degree of training

[old cypress]

It was even more intense as hybe staff said in the show

[upbeat stream]

Well then the point remains the same. Professional, intense training should be 2-3 years

[short laurel]

old SM days. if trainees were not performing well, they would beat them. once a manager even left the trainee out in night cold. it was on news when i was not into kpop.

[empty halo]

it probably differs company to company, either ways Giselle did finish her training quite quickly

[old cypress]

And except for manon katseye members all went through auditions and had skills

[upbeat stream]

Korea in general is really uncivilized. Thankfully they banned corporal punishment because koreans were just not gonna stop on their own

[short laurel]

SM picks trainees who are already very skilled compared to other companies. especially singing skills.

[old cypress]

And she gets a bunch of criticism for her skills

[short laurel]

then there;s hybe. no offence to any fans but lsfm looked under trained in their debut.

[upbeat stream]

No, SM famously picks trainees just for their looks at times

[short laurel]

i remember they highly preferred singing skills and looks. comparatively more than other copanies.

[upbeat stream]

Their street casting stories are famous. They believe that visuals are more important than natural talent because they have the best coaches who can teach really well

[old cypress]

Street casting doesn't mean no auditions

[clear hill]

Being an idol trainee and being in dance school and taking voice lessons to become a pop star is different tho. I’d rather go to school for engineering than become a trainee lmfao

[short laurel]

hybe jyp and many did street casting too. it's not just SM.

[upbeat stream]

I don't remember who but some idol said SM casted her only due to looks. It's kinda a well known thing about SM

[old cypress]

Your life as a student trying to get into a good university will be as miserable as a trainee, in korea

[empty halo]

thats quite frequently rooted in her skills in comparison to her bandmates who trained for more years

[short laurel]

https://x.com/popbase/status/1961815396257779832 hybe america news. 🛴 got a gf.

Pop Base (@PopBase)

Scooter Braun & Sydney Sweeney are reportedly dating.

(https://t.co/QliMlFRbZg)

X · Aug 30, 2025, 3:36 PM

[old cypress]

no way

[upbeat stream]

Wtf

[clear hill]

Um no?????😭😭😭 hello??? I’d rather be stressed because of school than because i can’t lose a certain Amy of weight in 2 weeks

[empty halo]

i saw this. what a terrible day to have eyes

https://tenor.com/view/choke-choke-emote-choke-myself-gif-14544625584098674544

[rare dune]

ew

[pseudo heath]

is scooter braun the zionist

[old cypress]

You have no idea lol. Kids get off school and go to hagwons almost everyday and they get home at 10pm and they need to do their homework and study for the next day

there are even elementary school students at hagwons, and they get 6 hours of sleep at best

[empty halo]

thank u lord for i was not born in korea

[short laurel]

yes. and he is double the age of sweeney

[clear hill]

That’s not my point lmao. That’s just SK culture. But being an idol literally gives the public permission to scrutinize you for everything. You are literally made to cater to the public. It’s not the same thing. Yes both are stressful but the normalization of idols and trainees being treated like that is dehumanizing.

[pseudo heath]

so weird

[empty halo]

yes! they work well together ❤️

[short laurel]

well nto double but still 44 and 27

[pseudo heath]

for our sake I hope something drives a wedge between them, nothing good can come out of those two

[empty halo]

i hope not they deserve each other

[rare dune]

katseye has better jeans

[short laurel]

i have better jeans than anyone

[clear hill]

https://tenor.com/view/njz-njzfaerie-nwjnsfaerie-newjeans-newjeans-calvin-klein-gif-6587063715105676811

[short laurel]

but they are old. 30 sec chat annoying...

[old cypress]

Both situations are as bad

[empty halo]

id kill for nwjns to debut a new Calvin Klein jeans campaign amidst these jeans campaign wars 💔

[empty halo]

well on one hand youre getting an education w which you may not be able to make it to the best unis, you at the very least have an education. as a trainee youve probably dropped out and your chances of debuting and making it are slim

[clear hill]

No they aren’t. Exploitation under capitalism and the need to strive for perfection under a high pressure society and the dehumanizing practices of the idol industry are both VERY different.

[short laurel]

with education even if they can't gain much from korea, as logn as they have degree from decent college they can strive in other country.
without education path becomes more difficult. and chances of debut are very slim.

[old cypress]

most of the time koreans just end up getting an underpaid office job with awful hours and mandatory drinking parties

which is why trainees are more than willing to give everything to become an idol

[short laurel]

underpaid office job is something starting to become global issue now.

[feral tapir]

it is already

[empty halo]

theyre hopeful and thats wonderful but realistically speaking how many of them are making the cut? one is still a somewhat more safer choice, even if it is miserable

[old cypress]

Once again you have no idea how getting into a good university impacts a korean's life. It's infinitely more stressful than what idols are going through.

[clear hill]

Yeah because of capitalism, this isn’t a unique experience to SK. Of course it’s different intensities but it’s not a fair comparison at all lmfao.

[empty halo]

im assuming its mostly kids from more privileged backgrounds that are willing to give trainee life a shot

[old cypress]

there's more of these because they train in expensive academies before auditioning

[clear hill]

That’s true

[old cypress]

just like how rich students tend to do enter nicer universities because they attend premium hagwons

[native anchor]

is this njz related

[pseudo heath]

yes

[native anchor]

how so

[old cypress]

alright I'll stop here lol

[short laurel]

there was an idol group formed cuz a rich kid wanted to be an idol. and her parents formed the company. later she had a fall out with the other members cuz she was getting too much privilidged treatment.

[pseudo heath]

idk, 20 second slow mode pls 🥺

[native anchor]

no

haha

imagine slow mode

[short laurel]

make it 1min

[native anchor]

great idea

[empty halo]

fuck u bro

[pseudo heath]

there no was need whatsoever

[short laurel]

njz chat is under slow mode too really cruel

[native anchor]

1 message per comeback

[empty halo]

[short laurel]

will be sending msg in word document reviewing the enitre cb.

[native anchor]

sure

[copper jetty]

Yes actually. Lmao... ETA terrorist group and the names Mikel, Eva and Maria. The 3 most common ahh latino/a names.

[clear hill]

Wait isn’t this a Chinese story?

[short laurel]

i thought it was in korea but i m not sure. maybe it was in china.

[feral tapir]

then dr.dre too

[loud rock]

no it was a kpop group in the 90s called s#arp

[clear hill]

Ohhh I’m mistaking it for another one that happened like in 2020 something the .

[subtle matrix]

Not giving any credence to these theories but 'Mikel' is the Basque version of the Spanish 'Miguel' and it's quite rare outside of the Basque Country

It is super common in the Basque Country though and there are tons of athletes including footballers with the name

[copper jetty]

Idk i found those theories weird when they came up though. And yeah mikel is a common name in spain

Now I'm wondering where those ideas about eta now surfaced... it's weird now that we think about it.

[subtle matrix]

In the Basque Country specifically. Not Spain. That was probably a factor in those theories

I wouldn't know though this is the first time I've heard about this thing lol

[copper jetty]

I remember people coming into this server regarding that. And also April 2024 some people also said it here in this thread... and people actually believed it.

[clear hill]

No fr igs literally tinfoil hat level of conspiracy theories 💀💀

Eta literally means estimated time of arrival which is what the whole song is about 🥀🥀

[copper jetty]

Like they're more invested than us and apparently learned more about the MV than the director who chose the names.

Literally can't with them.

[short laurel]

If we look at anything the same way haters look at eta n cookie. Nothing is safe, everything is offensive

[clear hill]

We’re giving haters too much credit. They don’t think critically

[pseudo heath]

Is there actually a large amount of people who dislike eta or is it just a few who are reaching

[short laurel]

Few but loud

[empty jetty]

I think those are the haters in general

[short laurel]

Haters in general are a loud minority.

But hybe fanbase is huge so that loud minority is still large number who just repeat what other haters says

[empty jetty]

There’s a lot of ppl getting paid and also bots and I won’t get that out of my head

They pay content creators to manipulate their fanbase

[short laurel]

Yea it's few haters, bots, n creators who make stuff up n haters repeat that

As long as hybe make them believe that mhj n njz are harming bts

[clear hill]

I think it’s based on your algorithm bc on mine when eta is mentioned it’s just ppl getting hyped

[short laurel]

My social media not have much kpop. Majority pf drama i heard about eta was from here.
But in recent ongoing drama since last year this is the case based on my observation.

[pseudo heath]

if cookie shows up on my fyp there'll be a few people commenting on the lyrics but never for eta

[robust elm]

Helloooo

Has anything recently happened that i may have missed because i am SO out of the news circle, i cant find anything out 😞

[pseudo heath]

Another mediation on the 11th of septemebrr and the final one is october 30th

As for what happened in previous court dates im not the guy to ask

[robust elm]

Im a bit confused abt legal terms, whats meditation and what will happen? Do u have any idea? And thank you!

[bronze talon]

basically they are trying to get to a hand shake and both parties get what they want, tho its contrary to what both want. njz wants out, ador wants them back

[feral tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/me-if-u-even-care-gif-13473171566580222692

[fathom onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-gif-12100055351253481367

[empty jetty]

Eta is goated

[robust elm]

😞😭 thanks for the clarification

[dull geyser]

also used to be me 😔 now i have a concerning obsession with and attatchment to njz

and the same people complaining abt cookie are enhypen stans 🫩

[dull geyser]

people who actually believe this annoy me sm... eta is a commonly used acronym for estimated time of arrival and the song uses it exactly that way like

[dull geyser]

shouldnt happen at all. absolutely not. its literal child labour. and not just debuting minors, even training them and debuting them at 18. it shouldn't happen

[dull geyser]

her parents exposed her to the industry wayyyy too early. they're been profiting off her since she was really young, it's terrible imo

[short laurel]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DMcE9sBoOIc/
@waxen musk

Imagine this in current gen.

[dull geyser]

you won't believe the number of times i've heard this argument from antis. 'they chose this, it's hard work to be an idol' 'they should have known this was what came with being famous' 'they signed the contract willingly' like it should be normalised? like they weren't children? i actually can't

[upbeat marsh]

I don't understand why people stand like a big multinational like they're poor victim instead of 5 young girl who just want to make music

[short laurel]

It's not the same but reminds me of how ppl defended nintendo when nintendo attacked palworld indie game (palworld didn't really violate copyrights if we go in detail)

[waxen musk]

Just curious why you tagged me for this?

[short laurel]

Cuz i wanted to show u how old gen nvr used to care as much about opposite gender interaction 😅

[upbeat marsh]

People are crazy fr

[waxen musk]

Can anyone remember if Hyein spoke during one Christmas radio show last year about her desire to be in the K-pop industry at such a young age? I vaguely remember and am not sure if I'm mixing up some details.

It's definitely important to listen to young artists and allow them to speak. I assume so many of them just have so much fear to speak up, for mutliple reasons.

Also it should be possible for young artists to change their mind if they want out. Sometimes it feels like they think that they have no choice. Sunk cost fallacy but to the most extreme degree, especially after dropping out of school, etc.

The only benefit to very young artists is that if they do decide to get out of the industry after seven years or something, they'll still be young if they want to change what they do in life.

I've always been able to see the argument of if they are ready with their skills, why artificially wait for them to become an arbitrary age before they can do what they want. But yeah way too many issues as discussed earlier. I don't know what the solution is. I say arbitrary age because now that I'm older I realise that 18 to be deemed an "adult" even seems insane to me.

[waxen musk]

Yeah it seems so bizzare now, which it shouldn't. Shoudl just watch this stuff and not even feel the need to comment on it or think about it. So much in K-pop is just arguments over tiny unimportant things. Even looking at my Twitter feed now, there are arguments going regarding NJZ hate that include arguments repeated from ages ago. I don't know why I'm seeing this crap. (Also I asked why you tag me in this thread and all you respond with is a description of the video I watched anyway. Was wondering why tag me when I haven't been active in here and seems unrelated to anything. I'm not annoyed, just confused to be honest.)

Any other topics discussed earlier that I missed out on yapping?

By the way if a 30 seconds cooldown is implemented, I'm way more likely to max-out the letter count limit so I can say everything I want at once using multiple paragraphs instead of spreading it out over the course of multiple messages. Makes everything a wall of text. Not sure it solves much tbh, but I'm no mod so I don't know.

[short laurel]

I saw u talking last time n it's just simple clip. Don't make this complicated 😭

[clear hill]

Yea I take back my statement. It wasn’t really fair for me to say bc I don’t know much about hyein predebut and have only seen clips of her here and there. It’s really sad tho, as a kid you get exposed to working without consent and you grow up being part of it your whole life/early developmental years being part of it. It’s horrible and inexcusable.

[red thorn]

That's not fair assessment too tho for the parents, sure case of exploitation happens
But to assume everything is like that is not right, we don't know the circumstance and situation.
Not every child work is child labour.

[cinder narwhal]

this is just unfair for hyein and her parents.

[waxen musk]

I mainly just care if Hyein is happy or not, which she very visible has been for many years.

If you put yourself in any parent's shoes, I will assume most parents want the best for their child and want to support their dreams. I don't think there are more parents who want to take advantage of their children and feed off their success than there are just parents who don't do that. But it is something to worry about because there are countless stories and examples where this is the case, so I get where the distrust in parents of performing children in general, it's kind of a stereotype.

I did go through a lot of internal conflict when getting into NewJeans regarding their ages, but the more time you spend to understand them, understanding clearly how well brought up they all are, seeing how their parents are fighting alongside them during this legal fight, seeing how people like MHJ and their old team deservingly gave them more than you can say about other groups, the respect the received and everything else--my worries eased gradually over time.
But then those worries ramped up really intensely last year and this year when the girls were probably put through the worst time in their lives, I sometimes image things that are not healthy to imagine and get really scared. Also, the more time I spent on Twitter the more scared I got.

Now for other groups, I might like their music sometimes but because I spend literally no time attempting to try to get to know the members, I generally don't really want to support them.

I dunno, obviously this topic can go on forever. Ends up with talking hypocritically and feeling guilty while trying to give as much support and careful thought as possible.

[red thorn]

Well said yap

[clear hill]

Regardless they didn’t have to choice to consent to it from a young age. Even if they enjoy what they do I don’t think children can fully grasp such complex ideas when they enjoy what they’re doing. I’m not assuming, I’m simply saying it from a generalized understanding of a parent putting their child in the entertainment industry at a young age.

[old cypress]

It's not true

[empty halo]

modelling and kpop are famously not kind to children/teens. its great that hyeins happy ofc but that doesnt change the fact that the industry is not beneficial for children, like at all.

also while we dont know the details of went down in the company, ador seemed to treat their trainees and idols (nwjns that is) pretty well. most labels wouldve been worse probably

[feral tapir]

i dont think she's happy rn lol

[old cypress]

I don't think it's our business to tell

[feral tapir]

in the last lives she looked quite sad

[empty halo]

with the lawsuit ofc there must be some distress but i dont think we can determine that shes overall unhappy. when I say happy, I meant overall with her career in nwjns. at this specific moment, we dont know

[feral tapir]

right right

[red thorn]

Well don't generalize it with that kind understanding, it may be more complicated than that.
'Child worker' still gonna happen bc it's necessity/demand of industry, entertainment biz need child talent for film, show, etc.
And it's not like there's not protection at all for them

[old cypress]

It's obviously more complicated than that but people love giving blanket statements with a bunch of "shouldn't"

[empty halo]

films and shows require children for roles, the idol industry doesnt REQUIRE teen idols to work

[red thorn]

Yes idol industry still my concern, just because the program training during their trainee

[old cypress]

Yeah kids can't consent to what parents make them do but then at this point you don't put kids in schools either since many didn't consent being put in schools and school is a place that can make your kid's life much worse (bullying, studying pressure, etc). You don't put them through athletic programs either since they can't consent. This kind of argument is a little bit pointless unless you want to get nice upvotes

It's like saying "Fire shouldn't burn, it causes damage and destroy lives", it's nice and all but fire will always burn

[empty halo]

in the acting industry, child performers also work on a project to project basis. theyre also more protected under child welfare acts and labor laws. being a kpop idol or trainee is a whole lifestyle + its more ambiguous for them as we can see w nwjns. theyre not even considered proper employees

[short laurel]

Not as much. I didn't said zero.

[old cypress]

What is needed as I always say is more regulation and protection

[empty halo]

i thought we all collectively agreed that the idol industry is exploitative, the regulations are loose allowing companies to abuse their trainees and idols more easily, they have extreme diets and most of them have prob had EDs at some point atleast. how can adding kids to this mix ever be beneficial or good

[old cypress]

Moreover njz members are all millionaires and set for life now, and due to their financial freedom at such an early age, they're able to pursue whatever interest they have. So obviously it was a good decision to get them in the idol industry early instead of having them spend their entire lives in an office

[empty halo]

those regulations and protections arent very strong in 2025, thats why people think debuting minors is a bad idea. in an ideal world theyd be better but they arent

[storm warren]

hyein has addressed her age and choice to be an idol in interview before, she was honest about it and also was grateful she was supported to achieve her dream. children become gymnastics, figure skaters, skateboarders etc. you do not blame those who are just trying to achieve their dreams, you blame system and adults for not creating better environment and failing those who entrust their dreams to them. 5 kpop organizations literally opposed bill which suggested regulation of minors' working hours and supervising companies for their harmful practices, etc. in ideal world, fans would actually trend hashtags and criticize those organizations and not target idols themselves

[old cypress]

In an ideal world, idols shouldn't exist since idols live by selling their image which means that they have to conform to the strict beauty standards enforced by their fans. Which means extreme diet and ED. But idols will exist as long as there's a market for them

[clear hill]

Yea obviously this is a really nuanced statement but imo I feel like as a parent putting your child into the ent industry at such a young age isn’t fair but that’s just my opinion

Also I feel like this convo is running I’m circles and quite pointless bc why are we debating on whether minors should debut when they (njz) already debuted st a young age 😭 we can’t help that and it’s kinda pointless running in circles about this

[old cypress]

Yes it's always pointless

[clear hill]

Just to keep things strictly njz/mhj/njz vs Hybe bc while it’s nice to have conversations and discussions about our own opinions it doesn’t really serve a purpose when this is about njz and they already debuted as minors

[empty halo]

i dont think we should scrutinize minors who have already debuted bc u cant un-debut them but its important to look at their stories and what happened to them to atleast try to pressure companies into *not debuting as many young kids

[storm warren]

yeah they should stop kidnapping kids from kindergartens

[empty halo]

this chat is always running in circles

[old cypress]

Even if they debut at 18 they still spend years in intensive training before anyway so it's a false problem

[clear hill]

Yea but in SK workers exploitation is super super normalized. I hope there would be changes going forward but let’s be real companies rely on the exploitation of minors in this industry

[empty halo]

jihyo starting training at 8 years old will always be diabolical and evil

[old cypress]

Things might be better if fans stopped expecting idols to be great dancers and vocalists

[storm warren]

actually was thinking of her and one sm idol forgot name

[clear hill]

True lolololl

[empty halo]

i cant help but feel like fans expect too much sometimes. i dont like lip sync but if an idol isnt dancing at their 110% at every concert i dont see what the big fucking deal is. most western artists arent putting up choreos or shows even near that level. kpop standards are too high

[old cypress]

fans love to flex their idols abilities so they try to outcompete each other even though it puts pressure on the idols they're supposed to support

[clear hill]

It’s not really a crazy thing to expect idols who spent their whole lives perfecting their craft to debut to be good at what they do. There’s obv s big difference between hate and bullying vs constructive criticism imo. It does turn sour very fast tho.

imo this is more about the industry and how the pressure comes from the companies themselves. Also because companies prioritize looks over talents

[old cypress]

but according to you, idols should start perfecting their craft at 18 tho

[empty halo]

BoA started training at 11
also sisters Krystal and Jessica were casted by SM when Krystal was 5 years old. Jessica was older, so their parents let her join but not Krystal bc they thought she was too young. So if the parents consented, SM was willing to train a 5 year old. What. The. Fuck.

[clear hill]

No????😭 that’s not my point. I said children SHOULDNT debut. Idk how you jumped to that conclusion.

My issue lies in this system of making minors train their early years to debut as an IDOL. Dancing, singing, anything performance arts will always be competitive esp in a culture like SK.

[storm warren]

sm scouts kids pretty early like even those smrookies were literally bunch of kids fresh off kindergarten doing Mickey mouse shows and whatever

[old cypress]

Your point is children shouldn't debut because the industry is exploitative right? But the industry is the same when you're a trainee

[clear hill]

Like idk how my point was missed so easily lmao. There’s a difference between vocal training and dancing at a young age and doing that for your whole life vs training to be a k pop idol. Training to be a kpop idol isnt just about singing. It’s about diet, the training idols do to perfect their image, the lack of control over schedules

[storm warren]

i understand that creating foundation of skills early on is easier, but problem is methods companies resort to create perfect idols. i mean system in its origin is flawed and thats never gonna change bc everyone contributes to it be it society or int fans

[old cypress]

There's no difference, academies are notoriously strict

[empty halo]

its fair to expect idols to perform well, but I dont think its fair to expect any artist to do backflips on stage and go crazy giving 110% EVERY performance. idk why performing well always has to be an incredible once in a lifetime performance. i think its okay for idols to give just good instead of GREAT AMAZING BEAUTIFUL STUNNING performances if theyre on a tour or something. yes the fans are paying a lot but thats the label's fault for over-charging them

theyre human beings even if theyve trained their whole lives

[clear hill]

EXACTLY. That’s my point from yesterday. Trainees get exploited as well and when this conversation is had nobody talks about tge trainees who are expected to be okay with putting their life on the line and out all the pressure on them just to end up not debuting. And kids who are like 9-10 thinking of wanting to become idols SHOULDNT get into the industry to become trainees.that’s why training to become an idol SHOULDNT start at childhood. It’s too cruel to put the pressures of a kpop idol onto them at such an early age even though it doesn’t guarantee them a chance at being one. That’s literally my entire point.

[clear hill]

Yes I completely agree! Idols are not machines and shouldn’t be expected to hold a note while having an intense choreo. It’s just unrealistic. My point was simply about how in the idol industry looks are prioritized over actual skill even though it’s a music industry. Yes it’s bc of SK’s insane beauty standards but sometimes I wish it was just about the music and not whether how much an idol fit the kbs😭

[clear hill]

That’s because performance arts are always competitive lmfao. The kpop industry is as well but let’s not forget about the dehumanizing aspects of it that is common practice.Let’s be so fr

[empty halo]

true true. and non-koreans have slowly become obsessed w kbs through kpop. emily from Texas is making tiktoks analysing an idols face in comparison to the ideal kbs face. a lot of shitty things from Korean culture are trickling into young impressionable kids brains through kpop actually, like slutshaming etc. those things DO happen in the west too yes but kpop has increased its intensity in teens

[old cypress]

They shouldn't train and they shouldn't get into the industry but they should be great singers and dancer, how does that even work?

[clear hill]

Because becoming a singer and a dancer isn’t the same as being an idol, hope this helps

[old cypress]

what? It's the same industry and academies

[clear hill]

Bro don’t even get me started on wonyoungism and the horrible effects it has had on literal 12 year olds. Like I understand that internet culture will always have a dark side and that is ||3dtwt and 3dtumblr|| But this romanticization of it is so sick and twisted. It’s also so ironic.Wonyoung was literally so thin at one point and fans were so worried for her. And now that she’s at a much healthier weight she’s still facing as much scrutiny. It’s just weird to see ppl praise her for her looks and promote unhealthy lifestyle habits and unrealistic beauty standards in a cutesy way for little girls to get into.

[empty halo]

I love Wonyoung down and that's why I feel bad that her name was used in such an unhealthy and sad trend. It initially started out being all about skincare and eating well but ||3dtwt|| got a hold of it.

[clear hill]

Like YES both are intense but being a kpop idol with so much public pressure is SCARY esp for a child. You literally have no room to grow and explore your identity because public scrutiny and the need to constantly have a good image.

Like yes dancers have strict teachers, strict schedules, strict diets, etc as well but that’s because they revolve their whole life around dance competing. Being an idol isn’t the same. Yes they’re similar but there’s nuances that separate the two.

[old cypress]

yeah ok you still don't understand what these academies are. What exactly do you think people in academies are doing? They train you to pass idol auditions... So you get diet and image training in these places as well

[clear hill]

I give up

[old cypress]

You're not willing to understand the realities of trainee life before joining the company so we're going in circles

[clear hill]

https://tenor.com/view/twitching-smile-annoyed-forced-smile-you-said-what-gif-7883713

BECAUSE I DONT THINK CHILDREN SHOULD GO THROUGH THAT! THATS MY ENTIRE POINT!😭 GOING THROUGH THIS ENTIRE ORDEAL ISNT OKAY!!!! AND ITS NORMALIZED IN THE IDOL INDUSTRY!!!!

[old cypress]

Yeah then how do they grow skills without training?

[clear hill]

Because growing skills is DIFFERENT than the entire system built around becoming an idol to go through such rigorous efforts and steps and its not okay!!! That’s my entire point, kpop is based on that and I don’t think it’s okay!!!

[old cypress]

... How do you think wannabe idols are growing their skills? Do they get rare candies or exp points? Okay let's move on we're offtopic anyway

[empty halo]

I remember Danielle talking about how they had to take photos of their meals and send it to people w authority before eating. They also had to write their names and stick it up on a wall if they were going to the washroom or something. Does this monitoring and control have anything do with learning dancing and singing?

[old cypress]

Because fans like idols being on the thinner side

Even those who pretend to not care suddenly give idols more interest once they lose weight

[feral tapir]

[clear hill]

This isn’t a fan’s putting pressure on idols thing and that’s the point you’re missing. It’s the industry.

[empty halo]

and? what does that have to do w the company monitoring the meals of children who havent even debuted yet

[old cypress]

The industry isn't doing that for the sake of it, they're doing it because they want idols to conform to the fans wishes so the group may be successful. If fans liked overweight idols more then companies would've force fed idols

Beauty standards are not something the industry comes up with, it comes from us

[clear hill]

Societal standards is the problem but upholding that is also part of the problem

[empty halo]

people
are fan expectations an excuse to give kids EDs

[old cypress]

Look even older established idols keep dieting because fans lose interest in them whenever they gain weight and fans hype them whenever they lose weight. In a sense fans are the ones controlling their weights

[clear hill]

Also fans aren’t a monolith, societal pressures and the need to conform to the kbs is a problem created by the kpop industry. Are we forgetting that the reason why the kbs exists is because of Yoona?

[old cypress]

The korean beauty standard is a standard... It's the sum of what the society finds attractive. Hence, a standard. Yoona just happened to fit the standard

[native anchor]

me looking for any clues in this conversation how its related to newjeans

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[clear hill]

Yea ts keeps on getting sidetracked but ty for bringing that up bc I also don’t get how you can think that way yet support newjeans speaking up about their mistreatment 😭

Like I’m literally just reiterating what dani said, kids shouldn’t go thru that

[old cypress]

I do not support any of it lol. I'm just stating facts. I always said we need more protection and regulation

Ultimately we agree but you're not giving any concrete solution, you're like "fire shouldn't burn periodtt" when the reality is a lot more nuanced and some things are just impossible to change (such as fire not burning)

anyway let's move on

[clear hill]

No I’m not giving any solution I promise. I’m just a fan of a gg and I’m not someone who works in the industry. All I’m saying is that the kpop industry is upholding this toxic pressure idols face and it needs to have change and we can’t get that through simple regulations and protection for idols because that’s still upholding the system. This entire system needs to be eradicated. This isn’t saying that societal issues will magically vanish, societal issues will exist regardless. But yes let’s move on. I just had to explain myself bc I hate being misunderstood 😭

[old cypress]

yeah basically idol kpop should be eradicated since it relies on the system

[clear hill]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-haerin-have-a-good-day-newjeans-kang-haerin-newjeans-kang-haerin-gif-27662442

[empty halo]

maybe if it was eradicated we wouldnt be having this pointless conversation

[waxen musk]

We can't help ourselves can we.
I doubt any of us disagree with each other but are just trying to be extremely specific in the arguments we make.
The conclusion is always the same.

Anyway, if you count Sunday as the start of the week (I don't), mediation is technically next week.

[pseudo heath]

Is it not September 10th or smth, a week and a few days

[native anchor]

11th

[waxen musk]

11th. Schedule is pinned.

[pseudo heath]

alr, I hope things go well for them

[clear hill]

I completely stopped tuning in to the bsh thing but one thing stood out to me in here, mhj is testifying right?

[waxen musk]

She’s requested to speak I think, so she needs to wait for approval while Hybe is asking for the opposite.

[clear hill]

And when will this be?

[waxen musk]

11th September. Same day as the second mediation session.

[pseudo heath]

Oh shit, this is gonna be a very busy day

[clear hill]

Ahhhh. Wow we’re getting fed back to back, I’m expecting a lot to happen then😭

[waxen musk]

Expect a lot and expect nothing at the same time.

[clear hill]

True. No high expectations but also excited for what we can get from this!! Hopefully we’ll get to a conclusion soon and there’s no third mediation

[waxen musk]

Seriously either everything could end for both NJZ and MHJ or nothing could happen on that date.

[pseudo heath]

I mean is a third mediation that bad cause the final conclusion is gonna happen october 30th right?

[waxen musk]

Apparently third mediation sessions are extremely unlikely.

[clear hill]

Let’s just not think of the worst case scenario until it happens. Let’s just stay positive and hope for the best

[waxen musk]

You don’t have to worry about the worst case scenario until October.

[frozen granite]

Are we doomposting bunnies

[warm hollow]

I LOVE ur tamagotchi pfp btw

[frozen granite]

Thank uuuuu

It gives me Danielle vibes

[warm hollow]

i kinda seee it too 🥹

[warm hollow]

UR WELCOMEEE

[dull geyser]

but to this extremity it is, and we know that student trainee schedules are very intense to the point where they supposedly only get four hours sleep in some companies. like idk about other countries but what they do with trainees there is literally illegal where i live. i think that says something

[red thorn]

You were talking in the context of the hyein pre-dedut idol career tho, and auto judge and protected the family circumstance and situation in your own
As if every child in industry has parents like that

[waxen musk]

...don't start this topic up again.

[empty halo]

https://www.humanrightsresearch.org/post/hanni-s-testimony-and-beyond-labor-rights-identity-and-inequality-in-real-world

humanrightsresearch.org made an article on the njz situation

its from January actually, mb if it's been posted before

[waxen musk]

It's way too quiet for a Monday. I almost got confused what day it was.

[short laurel]

A media said Bighit confirmed jimin had relationship but brokeup but army still harrassing her.

But i don't c articles source

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/TOKKI_JPN_820/status/1962485997771571486

ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)

被告側が提出した「当事者本人尋問申請書」はミンヒジンの出廷で確定みたい。

X · Sep 1, 2025, 12:01 PM

mhj’s testimony request has been accepted

[copper jetty]

SHE'S GONNA YAP AND NO ONE CAN STOP HER

[red thorn]

Live rap
Dissing hybe

[waxen musk]

Good news!

[pseudo heath]

september 11th gonna be insane

[hollow sorrel]

also idk if it was sent here but hybe tried to deny this testimony but looks like the court didnt accept hybe's request

[waxen musk]

Yeah. Extra good news.

[red thorn]

This mean new photo stock of her for press

[ashen charm]

Another tower

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/YKHH1234/status/1962464556007235675

YKH (@YKHH1234)

엇 mhj 아카이빙 계정 해킹 당한거 같아요😑

X · Sep 1, 2025, 10:36 AM

MHJ's account got hacked? Does anyone know which account they are talking about? Because her ig seems fine

[pseudo heath]

minheejin archiving account

[hollow sorrel]

not her ig account I think it was an archive account on twitter for her

it was called daepyonimarchive or something

[upbeat stream]

Oh ok that account

I remember last year she was gaining a lot of followers and said something like, I am an mhj stan only, not a tokki so I never followed her

But recently she has been posting njz quite a lot so maybe she had a change of heart

[pseudo heath]

why does she only stan mhj

[upbeat stream]

Idk but it felt passive aggressive to me the way she emphasized not being a tokki lol

[copper jetty]

Maybe she just in denial.

*x https://x.com/greyauro/status/1962495571861926002?t=3tA0voHcjKrE0KEQNfeJAQ&s=19

[harsh dove]

@greyauro <t:1756730380:d>

[mild mist]

They just love skip hats

[copper jetty]

Mhj gonna be slaying that court. Is there a limit on how long the witness can take a stand though? With how much she yap, they should, otherwise it's going to be a long session.

[empty halo]

I see people say that when the lawsuit results come out on oct 30, despite what happens, since the injunction isnt valid they can drop pit stop. but if they lose doesnt that confirm the ador contract's validity? wouldnt the ador contract have terms against independent activity that they'd be crossing if they drop the song

[copper jetty]

Yeah they still can't. If Ador wins and the contract is still valid then ig the girls can file for termination then. But that could take a while (again).

[empty halo]

Right

and the termination fee would be decided by ador alone or would the court be involved? bc after the lawsuit ends and if the contract is determined to be valid, termination would be between mhdhh and ador and the court's work would be considered done

[empty halo]

I'd give anything to see a recording 🙏

[copper jetty]

I think the court can decide. I think with 5050 (idk much but I just read this before) the court decided on how much they should pay the company.

[short laurel]

Ador will just shoot some arbitrary number. No way they get to decide it. Court will decide it n ador has to sue njz for it.

[upbeat stream]

No, this case won't decide the damages. Ador will have to file a new lawsuit for that

[empty halo]

right but wouldnt the amount they have to pay to ador

1. for losing
2. termination fee
   be different? or is the court gonna combine both of them or something

[short laurel]

Exactly what i said?

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, I was replying to an earlier comment and didn't see yours while typing

[copper jetty]

Why would they pay for losing though? Is it for damages?

[empty halo]

yes damages

[upbeat stream]

The damages would be for not honoring the contract

[short laurel]

This case if girl loses, girls pay for ador's lawyers fee n such.
Ador will file saperate case for termination

[copper jetty]

Can they file for damages if the contract is still intact?

[upbeat stream]

They must terminate the contract for that as far as I know

[empty halo]

so the girls would ask ador for termination and then ador would file a case for termination.....?

[short laurel]

Girls not going back so if girls loses, there will be that case.
If girls win, no issue

[upbeat stream]

Ador would just terminate themselves and file for damages. Like Attrakt

[empty halo]

okay got it

[upbeat stream]

If they wish to, of course. Some people think ador doesn't want money and just wants to keep them locked up for 4 years

[short laurel]

No, court will say if contract termination valid or not. If valid, girls free, if invalid girls have option to go back or if they not, ador will consider it breach of contract n file the case.

[upbeat stream]

Idk how legally viable that is. I want an unbiased korean lawyer's opinion on that, but they don't seem to exist

[copper jetty]

If contract is still valid and the girls don't go back but Ador won't file the termination.. the girls can still file (termination)for it right?

[short laurel]

I m curious if they lose from what date ador will consider breach. From last year or this year.
But i want girls to win.

[heady gate]

Let's see more development after Sep 11.

[short laurel]

Honestly, we are speculating based on past n don't know the details or kaws or how each party will react, so what we say are mere speculations

[upbeat stream]

That's the thing I want to know. We all thought it's possible to terminate the contract and pay damages, but neither the court nor ador talks about it.

[copper jetty]

Why would they include last year? The girls still finished all they needed to finish... I'm guessing it could be this year but idk when exactly the start is since dani still was going to omega right and ador approved complex.

[short laurel]

Cause those were previously agreed upon events. Girls haven't signed new deals with ador since

[empty halo]

alr

[heady gate]

We need a Netflix series after all the cases are settled.

[copper jetty]

So they really can't consider breach last year since the girls still fulfilled their duties. Idk about this year though.

[empty halo]

is simply not signing certain deals considered a breach?

[pseudo heath]

surely someone makes like a 2 hour youtube documentry

[empty halo]

bc i see how signing deals WITHOUT ador could be considered a breach, but just choosing not to sign deals w ador couldnt be a breach..... right?

[short laurel]

N @copper jetty Honestly don't know. But there's usually clause in contract where idols have to fullfill certain number of activities per certain period or company don't count that time or something. I remember this in some debt case few years ago.

[empty halo]

hmm well we dont know if their specific contract w ador had this

[short laurel]

N idol Contracts across companies are usually similar

[copper jetty]

We don't know if their contract is based off of regular contracts or not though. We're all just speculating on stuff.

[short laurel]

Yea we are speculating. But low chance it's much different from normal idol contract.

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, the clause we have seen from their contract was identical to the standard contract, so good chance that the rest of it is also similar

[clear hill]

One thing ab annoying women considered by the media is THEY WILL YAP AND THERES NOTHING U CAN DO TO STOP THEM!!!!😭MY YAPPING SELF IS SO HAPPY YAYYY

[hollow sorrel]

I hope ktokkis can write down whatever she says just like with newjeans vs ador last hearing

[pseudo heath]

When mhj swears its so funny it would be funny if she did in court (she wont but still)

[clear hill]

SHHHIIIIIBALLL 😭

[clear hill]

But didn’t njz have an exclusive contract? I thought that was the whole point, that their contract was made different for them by mhj

[clear hill]

I need a Stephanie soo interview with mhj about this whole thing in the future. I need it soooo bad

[upbeat stream]

Every idol has an exclusive contract, it simply means they can't work with any other agency outside of any terms agreed upon in the contract

[clear hill]

Oh I’m dumb 💔💔💔

[upbeat stream]

Ministry of Culture has created a standard contract which is supposed to be like a draft for all entertainment contracts. njz shared a clause from their contract on November 13th last year when they sent their list of demads to ador. That perfectly matches with the standard contract

https://njb-jj.notion.site/Ministry-of-Culture-Sports-and-Tourism-Standard-Exclusive-Contract-for-Popular-Culture-and-Arts-P-1451279fe54e805dac35d61764648c7a#52bce62ee1104012946eb4ee30e9fb8f

You can read the standard contract here

[short laurel]

some bunnies assumed mhj make it so that it's freeier than standard one. and many took it as if it's true. in reality what little we've seen is same as standard.

[clear hill]

Ohhhh I see. I am of the bunnies unfortunately 💔

[old cypress]

All idol contracts are exclusive contracts, exclusive means that the idol is tied to only 1 agency

[red thorn]

Or maybe it was exactly too standard that it's not really favourable to ador when the contract being disputed
Bc y'know most company write their contract more strictly through their supplemental agreements/clauses beside the standard

[upbeat stream]

Like SM

[heady gate]

I am glad the judge set the Exclusive contract validation trial final judgment day on Oct 30. Otherwise, this case could last forever.

[upbeat stream]

An unusually fast trial

I think the judge took into account the injunction because no other case moved this quickly

[short laurel]

no. we just don't know what the contract is so we can't judge at all.

[storm warren]

well hope not!

i mean ruling, hope he only took into consideration how injunction was affecting njz and dragging this out would hurt them even more

[upbeat stream]

That's what I meant haha

[clear hill]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSAg5BDsE/ this is sending me helpppppp bc why is this actually her💀

[pseudo heath]

*tt https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSAg5BDsE/

[harsh dove]

@ratata

[craggy horizon]

Another building is going down 😌

[vale grove]

😭😭😭😭😭 whattttttt ?????????

[fallow forge]

True

[storm warren]

i just remembered that former HYBE CFO Lee Kyungjun (witness) was also member of ADOR board when company was newly established

from nov 2021 to march 2023

https://m.thebell.co.kr/m/newsview.asp?svccode=00&newskey=202111170713546800104992

Yemin Kim and Donghoon Shin replaced two HYBE executives in 2023 March, when MHJ signed new contract and got 18% of ADOR

[cinder narwhal]

finally i get to see my noona again

[storm warren]

https://x.com/minjisbodyguard/status/1962693082752680330

hybe flop🏎️🏁 ⭒ (@minjisbodyguard)

bang Sihyuk rlly paid for his name to be included in all the articles abt the artists achievements…

X · Sep 2, 2025, 1:44 AM

they really have no shame

[mild mist]

https://youtu.be/UT3Q85IvtDs

[feral tapir]

he's a fan of himself that's sad

[empty halo]

question can bang pd actually go to jail for the cases he's got lined up against him or could he get away by paying fines

[waxen musk]

That is really embarrassing.

I don't know but the silence yesterday and today feels really odd.

The expectation of BSH's summoning last week and it not happening yet contribute to that feeling.

I don't know what to expect, or when to expect anything.

[subtle matrix]

From what I've seen he can actually serve jail time

But it's a rich person in a country dominated by industry interests so

[empty halo]

i think the new govt wants to make an example out of him. and while he is very rich hes no chaebol or prime minister

[waxen musk]

Twitter fighting is as exhausting as ever even as a unwilling spectator, but it gets to a point where it become really obvious that drama and wars get more engagement than the music itself, and you have to question why that is, and what that means in terms of who is engaging in that stuff (how many bots?).

[empty halo]

if the punishment is jail then i think hes gonna go to jail tbh

[empty halo]

you underestimate the power of jobless bitter and mentally unwell teenagers

yes theres bots and paid content like sniper22 but a lot of them are just bitter people

[tawdry vessel]

lots of them are old hags

[empty halo]

( 💜 )

[opaque flicker]

so are u

[tawdry vessel]

im not old and not a hag

[tawdry vessel]

[opaque flicker]

whatever helps u sleep at night

[heady gate]

Can someone verify me, is the former CFO of HYBE is Lee Kyung-joon going to court on Sep 11 for the shareholders' agreement case?

[storm warren]

yes

[heady gate]

On Sep 11, we will see Lee Kyung-joon vs MHJ in court. Nice.

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/min-hee-jin-newjeans-stan-twitter-messy-eating-gif-16593906549010037501

[rugged dagger]

do we know when she's testifying

[pseudo heath]

11th i believe

[empty jetty]

That’s a day

[heady gate]

Actually, NJ and MHJ cases are on Sep 11. It is a big day.

[fathom onyx]

huge day

[rugged dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-newjeans-reaction-newjeans-praying-kpop-praying-praying-gif-26721673

[clear hill]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSAsWp1yn/ well well welll... if it isn’t our usual suspect ☠️

[ashen charm]

Being mhj stan is crazy and not a njz fan is wild op gotta be pushing 40 cuz ain't no way

[dull geyser]

lmaooo

[empty jetty]

Tbf MHJ has a lot of history in kpop, but still is kinda crazy

[cinder narwhal]

why is it crazy? the most random things and characters have fan accounts on x lol

[ashen charm]

I remember there were tokkis lining up to get a meet and greet with mhj last year

[empty jetty]

Is not that common to see someone stan a producer

[fleet nebula]

I mean, I stan MHJ, but not before NJZ

[harsh dove]

@jihyethriving <t:1756837386:d>

programação do festival🗣️

[short laurel]

Mhj has been in the creative industry for a long time n is well known. Ppl being a fan of producers, directors, is common n nothing crazy about it. U just not in the circle so u not c it.
Every well known person in creative industry regardless of their role has a fan following.

Especially mhj. When announcing group under somu, hybe advertised in media that their 1st gg will be by mhj n that got alot of traction. Many even thought lsfm was by mhj but we all know the story now.

[upbeat stream]

Being an mhj fan is normal, in fact most k tokkis are, but then not being a tokki? That's odd

[waxen musk]

I don't see it as odd. Maybe you liked all her work before NewJeans a lot and then NewJeans didn't do anything for you. If it was a movie director and the made a movie you didn't like, you wouldn't question it.

I'm a big fan of MHJ. Took a while to realise it. But I love NewJean more.

I would not be very happy if NJZ continues without MHJ. For the arts.

[short laurel]

Odd thing is ppl acting like tokkies but aren't tokkies. Talking about stans asking girls to go back to ador

[waxen musk]

Ah I see. I don't know who you were referring to sorry.

[waxen musk]

lol I just realised what this was.

[empty jetty]

silly question

why do we say tokkies while they say bunnies

[waxen musk]

I'm not sure either but I always assumed it's because the opposite language sounds cooler to either side.

I do like how Ban Heesoo sounds like Bunnies and that's only something Koreans would automatically get.

[red thorn]

Bunnieseu ✅
Tokkieseu ❎

[waxen musk]

I don't think Koreans would say Tokkis, just Tokki. No plurals? cmiiw

Which is contradictory when they say Bunnies.

[red thorn]

Yeah, I'm just being silly

[dull geyser]

i understand tho bc shes done a lot of work in the industry it doesnt mean she has to be a big fan of the newjeans members

[empty halo]

the members dont say tokkis very often either, even if they're speaking in korean its always bunnieseu

i like tokkis more lowk 😭 it sounds cuter than bunny, also bunny is an extremely common word. for non-koreans tokki sounds more unique

[cerulean lake]

same tokkis sounds cute

[clear hill]

Tbf mhj’s entire career is extremely praiseworthy, she is such an impactful force in kpop where even newjeans is just a small facet of her works

[ashen charm]

THATS ONE IN A MILLION THO

[clear hill]

And the fact that newjeans is just a tiny fracture of her entire collection of works is a feat most in her field can’t face in there lifetime🤷‍♀️that’s aura tbh

[clear hill]

ONE IN A MILLION! ANNYEONGHASEYO! TWICE IMNIDA

[ashen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/danielle-newjeans-speed-ishowspeed-laugh-gif-11242904073305731912

[clear hill]

sorry I had to

[empty halo]

liking and being a fan of someone's work feels different from being a whole ass stan tho. stan implies a more parasocial relationship, which is quite odd to have w mhj considering shes a pretty private individual

[cinder narwhal]

i did not think there was a distinction

[short laurel]

Stan word came from stalker. Eminem song stan

[cinder narwhal]

for normal people i think we think stan = fan

[short laurel]

Yea i was about to say,
When people use stan in kpop they usually means fans, so in context it's no different

[empty halo]

to me stan goes a bit further than fan. not that it's necessarily negative or obsessive but a more passionate follower u could say

[empty halo]

stalker + fan = stan
yes this was created by Eminem for a song
but nowadays it isnt associated w stalking necessarily just being a big fan

[short laurel]

Passionate followers all famous people have. Directors n producers too have passionate fandoms

[empty halo]

idk if id call myself a stan tho, odd choice of words. whatever who cares

[short laurel]

So much of kpop has been inspired from her work. She is the trend setter

[short laurel]

Point is it's normal to be very passionate fan of mhj for her work throughout kpop.

[cinder narwhal]

i thought stan was just the kpop term for fans because i never saw it used anywhere else. tbf kpop has a level of high parasocial relationship lol

[short laurel]

Yea word reached kpop as a form of insult but changed over time 😂
U know how poorly world c kpop n it's fandoms

[mild mist]

But it's socially acceptable for people to stan sports groups

Might be because sports fans skew towards men

[pseudo heath]

yeah in kpop people when they stan it just means u heavily support ur favourite group

[short laurel]

Being passionate fan is fine everywhere, being stalker is not fine anywhere. Now up to ppl how they c its meaning

[ashen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/stan-writing-angry-enime-gif-20035572

[empty halo]

its socially acceptable for people to stan artists and groups too. it just means big fan of something

it implies some level of a parasocial relationships which arent inherently negative. everyone has parasocial relationships w celebrities, fictional characters and even politicians. obviously, theres a limit

[old cypress]

stan initially meant stalker (ish) but the word was progressively adopted by black and lgbt communities on twitter to mean big time fan and it spread to kpop from there.

[clear hill]

No really. This woman has literally shaped the kpop that we know and love today.

Like when f(x) wore tennis skirts and we saw sooooo much of that in 3rd-early 4th gen kpop.Snsd. Red velvet’s concept that paved the way for the alternative to girl crush ggs, newjeans, hellooo it’s like watching the Mona Lisa being painted

F(x) was so ahead of its time like mhj the woman you are! 😭😭😭😭

[short laurel]

Yet, no one appreciates her work, instead hates on her.
Sm n hybe stans both

[storm warren]

what are they petitioning?

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1963213361321312344

Hybe also submitted a petition for the client to appear in court. It’s an emergency measure for MHJ's approval to appear in court. The problem is that the conflict is essentially between her and BSH, but he won’t appear. So whoever Hybe sends can’t match MHJ's testimony.

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1963230272008392813

-# Translated from Chinese by Grok
HYBE applied for LKJ to testify because he is currently the only active HYBE/ADOR executive who served during the ADOR period under MHJ's management.
Other current ADOR directors or CEOs are all parachuted in. The former team leaders have all resigned and left.
Employees who returned to their positions or stayed might either have too low a level, resulting in testimony lacking weight, or lack relevant "evidence" to accuse MHJ of dereliction of duty.

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1963198563804185047

1tokki (@juantokki)

Here are some things you need to know before the Sept. 11 hearing. A lot of people seem to think Min Hee-jin’s testimony will play out like her press conference, where she had the freedom to speak her mind and address the public directly. But court doesn’t work that way. She

X · Sep 3, 2025, 11:13 AM

[clear hill]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSAtn9HTJ/

[waxen musk]

1 week

[empty jetty]

we need an event for that

[short laurel]

Lkj would've been better.
How do they expect someone without 1st hand experience to talk about their side in court? Just what is hybe goal here.

Anyways it's sounds good for mhj.

[mild mist]

Hybe's goal is probably to delay and obfuscate again

[storm warren]

I think kuma's assumption is right. whatever LKJ says can't outweigh MHJ who was CEO and thats why HYBE opposed MHJ being witness

JJS is CLO, all contracts and shareholders docs are made and supervised by legal team probably. He is there to deliver another legal argument

[heady gate]

CLO is Chief Legal Officer

[waxen musk]

Jung Jinsoo is a former Kim & Chang lawyer.

[cinder narwhal]

not surprised

[mild mist]

Do we think that this will make any difference?

[waxen musk]

I've not seen any crazy predictions or worries on Twitter but I don't know much.

[heady gate]

We will find out in 6 days.

[heady gate]

A former lawyer became a chief financial officer. Nice.

[waxen musk]

Chief Legal Officer (CLO) not CFO.

Sorry I wrote the wrong name earlier. I blame it on being ill and my brain not working.

[empty jetty]

U good?

[waxen musk]

Just a cold.

[empty jetty]

Take a soup, it’s your best friend when you have colds

[waxen musk]

I'm hoping there will there be a point where Belift has nothing left to copy, because I'm bored of hearing about it.

[upbeat stream]

I'm sick of it too. I used to enjoy twitter but now it's getting annoying

[empty jetty]

Don’t say Illit, we know it’s belift

Remember to never blame the artists for this kind of stuff

[waxen musk]

True. Bad habit to use their name even though we all know who's to blame.

[upbeat stream]

Tokkis need to ignore that group. Everyone knows they are a one hit wonder and have a faltering career. All the twitter likes are from armys/fearnots, we don't have to engage with them

[pseudo heath]

Dont hate the group hate the company is what I would say

[waxen musk]

To be honest the engagements are only staying on Twitter. At least it's not driving people to actually watch their content. I don't think it matters. It's just a little annoying.

[empty jetty]

Ik that this has some truth to it, but I think we should be respectful towards the artists(the companies can f themselves)

[empty halo]

tokki-glitt twt is so exhausting

im starting to engage more w nugu twitter 😭

[empty jetty]

Nugu artists are cool af

[empty halo]

agreed

i cant get myself to gaf about stupid big 4 company fanwars anymore. and tokkis are highkey stupid, they ALWAYS engage with ragebait and get it more views than it needs

[empty jetty]

Most fandoms are pretty shit imo

[empty halo]

yes but youd expect tokkis to stop falling for the engagement bait after almost a year of multiple fandoms doing it but no

[empty jetty]

The only fandom that is mostly "good"(I’ve rarely see them engage them on fanwars or anything) are IVE(maybe bc it’s not on my algorithm) and ex-Loona(both independent and the new groups)

[pseudo heath]

Does nugu mean niche

[empty jetty]

We call nugu to artists with very very small fanbases

[empty halo]

i haven't seen many ive stans on my feed, as for orbits, well I consider myself an orbit. but ive noticed a few of them disliking nwjns actually

[empty jetty]

Idk if that’s the correct meaning but that’s how it used on tw

[empty halo]

yes. groups from small companies with small fanbases are called nugu. it comes from the korean word for "who?" I think which is hilarious

[empty jetty]

Idk why orbits would dislike njz since they are facing something very similar(not the same but still a case of a label being a pos) to what their faced

[empty halo]

mostly stems for their dislike of min heejin i think. not all orbits tho, some of them support njz

also apparently nugu isnt rlly a word Koreans use 😭 it was created by international fans of kpop lmao

[empty jetty]

I need a Chuu x NJZ interaction

[empty jetty]

Talking ab orbits

Ps slow mode on 30s kills chat horrendously

[empty halo]

i bet she supports njz 💔
she was criticised similarly in the media (obviously not to the same extent) when she left blockberry

[short laurel]

The word koreans uses is far worse than nugu

[empty halo]

but she did have more popular support tho. never saw avg fans criticize chuu or hate trains against her

[empty jetty]

"Left"

Those mfs kicking her should never be forgotten

[short laurel]

Media made her out to as bully n k public hates bullies tooo much.

[empty halo]

what do they use

[empty jetty]

Because hybe controls the media and blockberry can’t even control their finances

[short laurel]

I forget the exact word but it means something like failure group

[empty halo]

yeah she did get kicked 😭 for the better overall bc shes doing much better now

[upbeat stream]

Tbf illit isn't nugu, they are mid-tier. I said that because fights between fans of top groups are inevitable. But as newjeans is so much bigger, we really need to ignore them and move on

[empty jetty]

I wish her current label was better at promoting her, she should be bigger imo

[short laurel]

Nugu doesn't really fit on any group launched by top kpop companies

[empty halo]

thats bc bullying is very extreme in korea. they take it very seriously

[empty jetty]

Unless ur a man

[empty halo]

if the group debuted under a big 4 company or a company like starship/cube theyre automatically not nugu

[upbeat stream]

Btw Lee Jin-ho targeted Chuu just as he targets njz right now. Idk how kpop stans can have such cognitive dissonance when it comes to njz. The enemy is literally the same, yet they can't see that

[empty halo]

true, paixpermil promotes Yves very well but that company has its own issues

[short laurel]

N dispatch

[empty jetty]

Because NJZ is bigger than their groups or directly threatened to compete with them and Loona was big but not as big(I love them btw)

[rugged dagger]

njz bad! billion dollar company good!

[upbeat stream]

Yep dispatch too. The very fact that hybe uses the same degenerate methods to destroy newjeans' lives as bbc did should open people's eyes

[empty halo]

even if u put chuu and nwjns aside his career shouldve been over after what happened to Kim Saeron

[short laurel]

Instead ppl are like "dispatch disclosed alot of secrets so trustworthy" ignoring that 99% of time dispatch only spread hate on innocent idols

[empty jetty]

Also most hate towards njz comes from 3 fandoms, while other fandoms have their ppl hating them, a big majority is neutral or supports them

[empty halo]

I wonder how people like Lee Jin-ho sleep at night. is there no shame? guilt? do they have those feelings and ignore them or do they not feel it at all?

[short laurel]

Big majority don't give a shit or want hybe gone

[empty jetty]

Those people are only fueled by money and power, and do not have any morals

[empty halo]

k cyber wrecking culture is bizarre

[upbeat stream]

he has been directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of multiple women. Hybe using him to target njz should be reason enough for every human being to side with us.

[empty halo]

idk how he still has people who listen to him atp

[empty jetty]

Because people want to hear what he says, even if it’s not true

If it fits their narrative they will take it as an absolute true

[empty halo]

celebrity gossip culture isnt anything new but countless celebrities taking their lives over it is, does it not strike a chord with the audiences to stop?

also didnt he face legal consequences for defaming Kim Saeron? or was it just a small fee

[upbeat stream]

I forgot who, but there was another korean female celebrity, before Lee Saerom, who took her life after a bullying campaign led by Lee Jin-ho. Idk how a human being can continue doing what he does after multiple such instances. That man has lost his humanity a long time ago, if he ever had that

[empty halo]

idk how he isnt in jail tho, i thought south Korean culture was more sensitive regarding defamation and all that

[empty jetty]

Also the Saeron case it’s really special because it shows how misogynistic the country is

[short laurel]

They cancel teenagers over past bullying incidents but keep supporting adult bullies who cross the line.

[upbeat stream]

He is kinda careful with his own words, it's the fanbase he cultivates and the information he shares, often false or distorted, that does the damage

[empty halo]

it only mattered bc she died. if she were still alive the hate train would still be going. thats how it goes tbh, nobody feels sympathy for the person till they pass away

[empty jetty]

It didn’t matter, the pdf is still out there like nothing happened, the YouTuber is still making videos

[empty halo]

this happens to celebrities a lot, after they pass away the same people that hated on them suddenly feel extreme sympathy and love them

[short laurel]

That food youtuber case i forgot her name who was sa by her bf n bullied her then unalived himself.
A cyber wreaker who kept supporting the bf n hating on the girl even after everything was proven. He kept attacking her weeks after n kept calling the bf innocent.
Even now that cyberwrecker remains online active no dmg to him.
The youtuber girl at least publicly moved on but that guy made her life so hard.

Many other korean creators came to support the girl but the cyberwrecker still roams free.

[upbeat stream]

Korea really needs a harsh law for these cyber wrekers, freedom of speech be damned. It's not a normal country, so it needs special laws to prevent such cases

Even the stuff Korea does implement get side-stepped. Like Naver making the rule that celebrity news must close their comments section. What does hybe aligned media do? They simply post njz news in finance or lifestyle sections lol

[short laurel]

N hybe n bsh news in celebrity section

[upbeat stream]

Lmao that's the funniest part

[pseudo heath]

Tzuyang?

[short laurel]

Yea. Ty

[waxen musk]

It's literally every week, at least!

[feral tapir]

they know they're just finding excuses to hate on newjeans

[feral tapir]

exactly

[cerulean lake]

that’s what i question myself. also screw all those people who continue to watch and support his vids.

he needs to be treated as some type of murderer atp considering how many cases of cyberbullying he’s linked to

[heady gate]

Bullies judge others but never question themselves. They can only be stopped by a stronger bully.

[cerulean lake]

unfortunately he has even stronger bullies (cough cough bighit ceo or smth) backing him up 🙄

[frozen granite]

55 more days

[waxen musk]

You mean 6

[frozen granite]

Oh I’m talking about oct 30 lol

[waxen musk]

I know. Either 6 or 55, either way.

[frozen granite]

I doubt anything will be resolved next week

[waxen musk]

Well it could. I don't know the chances. But a chance exists.

[tawdry vessel]

we're talking about hybedor here

oct 30 it is

[cinder narwhal]

tired of the tokki gllit discourse on x 🥱

[heady gate]

https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10568897

[heady gate]

I guess he is ok from now to Sep 24.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/maruru2051/status/1963419649158385974 good commentary. translate and read

とん (@maruru2051)

김헌식 대중문화평론가:

그리고 아까 말씀하셨듯이 케데헌(케이팝데몬헌터) 때문에 환경이 많이 변했던 것 중에 단적인게 뭐냐면 이제는 KPOP을 얘기했을 때 투자 받기가 훨씬 더 용해진 측면이 있다라는 거예요. 그렇지 않습니까. 국내에서 기획을 해 가지고 KPOP...

X · Sep 4, 2025, 1:51 AM

if newjeans participated in kpopped, which group would you want them to collab with?

[heady gate]

Billie Eilish

[steel depot]

what's up

[raven kelp]

oh what would i do without bunnies for my regular illit updates

[heady gate]

go to X

[raven kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/haerin-newjeans-haerin-newjeans-haerin-glance-glance-gif-7451570132890960492

[red thorn]

If I go to X or IG ||it's either that or genshin/hoyo and wuwa/kuro discourse, a parallel||

[cinder verge]

what is that newjeans ig update?? where those pics from and how recent is that? im so confused

[heady gate]

Are u talking about Danielle marathon pictures or the Jean clip video?

[cinder narwhal]

probably from olens shoot from way back. olens still using newjeans for new season FW25

[empty halo]

Spice Girls

Or TLC

[empty halo]

olens is tagged in the caption, its promotional photos from way back for olens

[clear hill]

By discourse do you mean “illit is better” “newjeans is better” or do you mean the whole plagiarism thing?

Bc I just saw their Japanese debut and .... well 😭

[cinder narwhal]

the plagiarism thing

i like a bit of pettiness but it's tiring if its too much lol

[short laurel]

Ppl keep arguing over twt n giving them attention n haters from both sides keep doing it since they get engagement.
Bethief c's engagement n they too keep doing it.

[red thorn]

Parasitic marketing

[clear hill]

I dont get it tho lmao. Talking about the plagiarism esp since they’re an active group is inevitable bc there’s more evidence being put out. Plus it’s not pettiness/drama if you’re actually talking about the similarities

[cinder narwhal]

belift knows what they're doing and tokkis keep taking the bait. the cycle needs to be broken and it sure aint coming from their side

tokkis cant make them stop copying but what they can do is stop giving them free attention

[clear hill]

Ykw true. I’m not giving them my attention

[cerulean lake]

ew so he’s not getting summoned? 🙄🫩

[tawdry vessel]

another media play

police wont care about that event

[cerulean lake]

will be celebrating if the same thing that happened to the kakao ceo guy happens to bsh 🙂‍↕️🙌

[silk skiff]

Y'all I'm struggling to understand the thought process of someone who thinks the girls and their parents were groomed and dug their own graves by siding with mhj and acting in bad faith in courts. When all she did was fight for their debut, treat them well, listen to them and address their concerns. Are these people unaware of the mistreatment that they've endured from HYBE this past year and a half, pre audit and even pre-debut? Or do they simply not care since the girls are wildly successful and these "minor" incidents are part and parcel of success so they shouldn't complain about anything. Or are they misinformed due to the HYBE/TAG PR propaganda machine that they believe those incidents we're made up. Do they just want them to shut up and bend their backs for their abuser (HYBE) instead of fighting for their freedom? This whole thing seems super wack and very selfish to me.

[bronze talon]

2nd option
uninformed

[cinder narwhal]

not caring and being easily misinformed go hand in hand

[bronze talon]

aka believing what you want to believe

[clear hill]

The mhj hate plays a huge role in all of this.It’s really just rooted in misogyny and she’s just such an unorthodox person involved in the kpop industry that she easily became the scapegoat that Hybe pr don’t have to do much work. Before she joined Hybe she already got hate from sm stans so naturally the hate just spread.Also I think the grooming allegations come from the fact that the girls are very open about the close relationship mhj have w them. And ppl like to run w that n make grooming accusations to paint her as some evil person even tho mhj has stated multiple time how much the parents are involved in their (mhdhh) matters and she is very transparent w them. Grooming would mean she’d isolate the girls from their parents but you can’t expect people to be logical and use their common sense nowadays 🤷‍♀️

[empty halo]

Regardless of what people think Min Heejin's intentions were, her legal battles and whatnot, the word "grooming" is not a joke to be thrown around. We know nothing about the members, their families and their relationship with Min Heejin. All we know is that they felt more protected with her as CEO and want to work with her in the future. Using this as a basis to claim that they are victims of mental manipulation, abuse and grooming since they were children at the hands of mhj is insane. These people just like throwing therapy speak words around with no real understanding of what it implies

Calling her strategic, greedy or dumb (even if I don't agree with it) is whatever. Implying that she part takes in the manipulation and grooming of kids is ???

[short laurel]

Kpop fandoms. They enjoy when rival groups are abused. They only care when their group is abused.

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/NJZBAM/status/1963952893771334016 https://x.com/NJZBAM/status/1963958616160874730

[harsh dove]

@NJZBAM <t:1757077833:d>

A current ADOR employee has been caught liking hate comments towards NewJeans.

“Are NewJeans, who are practically ignoring their advertisement contracts and on strike, showing any effort? None of them seem to be in their right mind.”

@NJZBAM <t:1757079197:d>

Not just one but multiple “Go beg your precious [idol] to come back to HYBE and take some selfies or something. Don’t throw a tantrum on the official account for no reason."

[storm warren]

grown ass woman mind u

[rare dune]

people are so immature

[bronze talon]

how dare they dont show loyalty to a dogshit comapny/industry 😤

[waxen musk]

What position does this person have at Ador?

[waxen musk]

Seems like the position is unknown but it is a more senior role.

Looks like she’s trying to hide it by removing bio, avatar and changing name. Making her look more guilty.

[short laurel]

probably someone who joiend ador after mhj and njz left

[heady gate]

It is Sep 6 KST, just 5 more days to go.

[clear hill]

Hybe is a cult atp. Employees and their stans are all braindead

[shadow cloud]

pls tw next time

[red thorn]

She deleted her profile picture and bio details

[cerulean lake]

wonder if hybe pointed out that she got caught or tokkis were going after her

but idk how they would do that if her acc was private

[cinder narwhal]

well her name and workplace were spread online i think that's enough

[waxen musk]

I love delays

(sarcasm)

[cinder narwhal]

https://fixupx.com/juantokki/status/1964168689395388468 -c

1tokki (@juantokki)

[English Translation]
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︀︀Critic Kim Sung-soo:
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︀︀In reality, K-pop fan clubs are highly developed. Just look at what the Bunnies are doing while waiting for NewJeans.
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︀︀They consistently follow the ongoing trials, verify what information is real, build archives, and in doing so, maximize collective intelligence to protect NewJeans.
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︀︀And to prevent even a single scandal from being attached to NewJeans’ name, they voluntarily step up on social media, giving appropriate explanations and clarifications against people who recklessly film, mock, or spread nonsense about NewJeans. That’s the level of this fandom.
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︀︀Attorney Shin Heung-gyu:
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︀︀There’s no favoritism or clique-building here. They’re simply sharing in NewJeans’ values and vision.

Quoting 할말 (@hahagatung)
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김성수 평론가 - 실제로는 K팝 팬클럽은 굉장히 발달했습니다. 지금 뉴진스를 기다리면서 버니…

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FixupX · Sep 6, 2025, 3:28 AM

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[rare dune]

can someone explain in toddler terms

[empty jetty]

what thing?

[short laurel]

It's saying that bunnies are good fandom who protect njz from big bad.

[short laurel]

Here big bad means online haters

[heady gate]

That is the best explanation to a toddler 👶🏻

[polar owl]

Saw this video today:
https://youtu.be/kat2fTZVHnU?si=qjjrS0ehcClv4jpu

All the pain surfaced back again.

[fathom onyx]

😭

[pseudo heath]

anyone know what time the mediation and MHJ stuff starts?

[bronze talon]

pinned

[pseudo heath]

tyty

5am

not bad il jus wake up early

[empty halo]

well the info is gonna come out after it ends, not while its ongoing

so theres not much to discuss while its happening

[waxen musk]

Other than the appearance of whoever attends.

MHJ’s hearing should have live updates on the same day.

[empty halo]

yes

who are yall expecting to appear?

minji and hanni might still be in london

[honest sky]

Danielle

[empty halo]

solo?

im hoping we'll get to see haerin

[honest sky]

Not sure but Im guessing Danielle is one of them

[empty halo]

yeha

[cerulean lake]

saw a tiktok w/ many likes/comments supporting njz and hanni specifically. at least some people are still appreciating her and not calling her a bully 🫩🫩🥀. some progress compared to a few months ago when i didn’t even want to search up their names on tiktok bc of the hate 😭

just hope oct. 30 doesn’t reverse all of that and cause another massive hate train 😖

[pseudo heath]

the bully comments are annoying

[cerulean lake]

at least there’s people actually defending her and trying to clear up misinfo now 😭🙏

[empty halo]

i really really hope this mediation meeting goes well and they settle its the safest option

yes it could result in a more "50-50" solution where the members arent at a complete advantage but its way better than them possibly losing in october

[cerulean lake]

that’s true. of course i would love for them to win oct. 30th and completely tear apart those hybecels’ and redditors’ egos but unfortunately, there’s not much trust in korea’s legal system 🥀

[upbeat stream]

I think Husseyz again is most likely

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/maruru2051/status/1964665842727264577

とん (@maruru2051)

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X · Sep 7, 2025, 12:23 PM

let's get the gang back together 😭 it's a sign
(frequent newjeans hmua and chief stylist)

[waxen musk]

Dani went to Sydney later than Minji and Hanni were last seen in London, so I don't think you can base any expectations on who will be there on Thursday on this information. They can fly to wherever whenever.

[waxen musk]

Speaking of, Choi Yumi unfollowed that hate comment liker the other day.

[empty halo]

whats hmua

[waxen musk]

Hair and make up artist

[empty halo]

true