NJZ Updates and Discussion

[clear hill]

Nvm, it’s a person claiming mhj plagiarized her concept

[frozen granite]

I have nothing nice to say so I won’t say anything …

[clear hill]

Say it please 🙏

I’m so confused bc I thought she was talking about an actual gg that has been debuted and mv that has side by side frame by frame comparisons

And she’s saying that mhj stole her concept from her naver blog 💀💀💀

[frozen granite]

Tbh I think she’s part of THAT fandom & is pulling stuff from her ass to stir things up. I don’t think she’s getting paid by hybe as many of the commenters believe. I think she is just a toxic stan who is hurt bc mhj “offended” her group

[clear hill]

Hmm I’m trying to find solid/actually direct similarities and all I see is certain font style and I guess bear?😭😭even though Bernice is a bunny????

[clear hill]

I definitely feel u on this tho

Oh my god this bitch has lost the plot

[frozen granite]

Agh her post is semi old honestly I wouldn’t dig through her stuff it’s just useless stuff that doesn’t even affect njz

[clear hill]

Has this been debunked before because this is the first I’ve seen of it

[frozen granite]

I remember hearing about this last year but it died down

The only people hyping it up at the time were antis

[clear hill]

Hopefully I can find a twt link debunking this bc my mind hurts😭 her proof is like font colourful maximalism retro and fucking emojis I feel like she’s speaking in riddles

And then she makes videos talking about how South Korean feminists hate her?? I think she is just schizo atp..

[frozen granite]

I honestly wouldn’t pay too much attention … either way the only thing that matters takes place until October

[clear hill]

Yeah, I’m open to objections as long as there’s valid proof and my curiosity just makes me go through lengths to disprove what I can’t understand. I will always hear someone out, I don’t want to be in an echo chamber. Either way, I think she’s experiencing an episode and I kind of feel bad for calling her a bitch because she is clearly going through psychosis... She is extremely active with varying types of posts and often they’re nonsensical and feeds into the spiritual/chosen one/escape the matrix rhetoric with paranoia induced inflamed statements targeting an organization. Her tangents whether actually about the “issue” or other topics she often touches on don’t have any form of structure. I feel bad but at the same time she is harming people and that’s not an excuse.

[copper jetty]

Guys quick question... Ador transferred Fund to Hybe IM Sept. Last year and they said it was "royalties" from rhythm Hive...

Also Hybe IM took 4B won from the pubg collab also.

Is it safe to say these are 2 different instances? Or am I mixing it and this is only once?

[clear hill]

I’m not sharing nonsense to spread misinformation... that wasn’t my intent. also like I said multiple times I don’t use Twitter. It was the first I’ve heard of it so ofc I was surprised. Clearly asked for further clarification too

[cinder narwhal]

i cant find ted bear by kitsch anywhere

[storm warren]

no it is same case

ADOR most likely used HYBE IM service as they are gaming company and have expertise in game related stuff. The problem is BDOR transferred 4B won to them, which was discovered by k-bunny, then one media outlet reported it. when next financial report was released, there was adjustment to figure that was transferred to HYBE IM

like they returned half of 4B won iirc

so BDOR overpaid for their services

[old cypress]

that's what all companies do when the group flops and girls get dungeoned until disbandment. The company is required to provide activities but it can be minimal

(ironically when a company disbands the group early and let the members free, the company gets a lot of hate from fans lol)

The take cakedegg shared is a load of nonsense. If ador wins, the exclusive contract is valid and njz simply cannot promote anywhere else.
Sure there's nothing theoretically stopping them from promoting as njz but in theory nothing stops me from going outside and stabbing the first person I see either...

[short laurel]

Every anti putting what bsh does to mhj.

[short laurel]

Fromis treatment

[storm warren]

yeah lol. its not as easy as they make it sound. tokkis should stop deluding each other. if njz loses, i mean full loss, not partial, contract is upheld valid and if they dont fulfill it, ador either makes sure they are inactive until 2030 and never set foot in ent industry or makes sure damage lawsuit financially burdens them to the point of bankruptcy.

no one sane really thinks hybe will be reasonable or merciful. they will only show vindictive nature to set example

settlement is safest option atm but njz cant do anything it ador insists that they should return during mediation

personally, im preparing myself for the worst scenario bc setting my expectations high showed me that it always turns out worst

[old cypress]

I think tokkis on X are just querying chatgpt and reposting whatever comes out of it. (And ironically LLMs use reddit data...)

Realistically what happens if njz loses and decides to stay in ador is they'll have comebacks and concerts. Hybe isn't gonna shelve njz forever, they still make good money. What HYBE wants is njz not dominating kpop/other hybe groups. So they'll just give njz music and concepts that tokkis like and the general public don't. Secure the fandom and lose the public

Ultimately the idea is to turn them into another TWICE, big fanbase but no public appeal

[storm warren]

tokkis wont like them either bfr. there is not a single hybe group whose creative direction or music is appealing to me atm

[old cypress]

tokkis will, I'm sure of it. You just need some badass girl crush concept and tokkis will eat it up. Kpop fans standards are very low

[storm warren]

count me out lol. not here for generic kpop mess

[old cypress]

not to mention that many tokkis are emotionally locked in and will be happy to see their bias in any form

[storm warren]

there is no way anyone in sane mind would hype some badass girl crush concept with no substance

[old cypress]

this is kpop, plenty of successful groups like that

that's precisely why newjeans got so popular. If they lose that they'll just be another kpop group

which is exactly what hybe wants

[storm warren]

newjeans got popular because they had perfect ratio of commercial success and art. music, concept and branding made sure success followed. if there is only success left, what do i stan? numbers? never stanned those in school or uni, keep it

i love the girls and for their mental health and future, i hope they can at least be granted partial win/contract annulment or just settlement if it works out. bc i doubt any of them want to be soulless money printing machines under hybe

[old cypress]

I agree. Just saying that most tokkis would be fine if they were to become soulless money printing machines under hybe

[storm warren]

selfishness of kpop/pop fans tbh. i dont disagree your opinion bc its general sentiment among kpop fans. they trend hashtags for mistreatment but still will defend those companies to death

[old cypress]

vcha is a good example, got mistreated so bad that one of them sued jype and the other attempted S but many fans are still supporting the new group

[storm warren]

ah dont remind me

[old cypress]

they gashlight themselves like "ik jype is bad but the girls need our support uwu" or they just accuse the member who sued of lying

[storm warren]

its bc kpop fans are too caught up into their own feelings they don't care about anything else. they prioritize their parasocialism and emotional attachment and idk what else to call over people they stan

[old cypress]

they prio their own entertainment over idols wellbeing

[storm warren]

yeah, its like circus fr

[upbeat stream]

If I was a newjeans member, and given the choice between returning to ador or going on a 4 year hiatus, I would take the later. What about you guys?

Of course, there's the debt angle, but ignoring that

[upbeat stream]

I agree. Realistically they are not going to attempt it. I was talking about ador's pov

[old cypress]

It's possible that they return to ador but won't do much besides CFs since it's really hard to force people who refuse to work and contracts are pretty vague on what work you need to do

[zealous helm]

cfs are commercials right

[old cypress]

yeah

[zealous helm]

yeah if the girls go have to go back to ador in this state then they will probably not do too much

[old cypress]

yeah but they have contracts so i'm not sure what exactly will happen

[zealous helm]

but that will probably only happen in like a few years from now

[cinder narwhal]

I'm pretty sure nj got popular because they did exactly opposite of girl crush

[old cypress]

yes by having substance

[upbeat stream]

And now girl crush is largely gone. Newjeans and perhaps ive helped kill it

[zealous helm]

they could probably just put minimal effort in

[storm warren]

something hybe lacks as a whole

[old cypress]

Overall yes though the finer details are handled by talented creatives so there's still some good stuff. Lesserafim is a good example. Some comebacks have no substance and some are really good

it's just that their top management vision is basically "do what is trendy, we need money"

[storm warren]

all hybe groups are like that, their output especially falls flat towards the contract expiration period like txt

[cinder narwhal]

personally even if they continue their career with pit stop level songs i probably wont listen as much as before

[storm warren]

its like they put out their best in their first 4 comebacks and then there is nothing else

[upbeat stream]

I think a side effect of so many groups surviving past 7 years is that there's way too many of them. I don't think there's ever been as many ggs from top companies as there are right now. Makes it so hard for anyone to stand out, and precisely why it would be so easy for njz to return

They have the advantage of brand recognition and a stellar creative team

[storm warren]

yes, nothing stops me from stanning meovv. 5 gorgeous girls, awesome personalities and dynamic, but neither their songs nor their concept is appealing. (no offense, i like them). id tune in in hearbeat if their team had ounce of creativity of njz and teddy wasnt beating same dead horse over and over again

[old cypress]

I like some of their songs

[upbeat stream]

How many major 5th gen ggs? Kiikii, h2h, meovv, baemon, illit, kiof. Yet none of them have truly established themselves as a top artist in korea. Unless something changes dramatically, 5th gen is looking to be the worst ever for girl groups in korea

[storm warren]

i just got used to idea that njz was just one rare unicorn and it probably wont happen again

[old cypress]

because we're still in 4th gen

[cinder narwhal]

newjeans + ella + anna + youngseo = me happy

[upbeat stream]

Yeah lol. people created 5th gen right after newjeans debut because no one was gonna come close to them

[storm warren]

how can mediaplay pushed 5th gen take off when aespa ive and njz are still on top

[upbeat stream]

Same thing with Blackpink and 3rd gen

[old cypress]

kpop is mainstream commercial music, mhj just wanted to do something different

IMO there's nothing wrong with kpop music lacking substance, it's commercial pop after all. I still enjoy many groups and songs although i don't rate them highly. Newjeans is way better than any of these groups but yeah

And the good thing about kpop is even if the overall creative direction is lackluster, MVs can sometimes still be amazing due to talented MV directors like rigend film

[storm warren]

i check out kpop comebacks but i dont listen to it

[upbeat stream]

I stopped listening to kpop altogether. Lost interest due to this conflict

[storm warren]

like i have some wonder girls songs, some fx songs in playlist. i dont think i have any new songs except newjeans. i just no longer care

[upbeat stream]

I only listen to my favorite artists now, IU, ive and njz

[old cypress]

people like you are more similar to the general public than to kpop fans

[cinder narwhal]

minus ive and that's me heh

[storm warren]

probably. i was probably more excited about kpop when first came across to it, but the more music you expose yourself to, the more artists you listen to, your senses and taste forms in a way that you cant ignore. even if someone calls something peak experimental avant garde shit, i dont like it it wont ever end up in my playlist. kpop stans often like convincing each other their faves music is peak, like sure. it still wont get a single stream from me

[copper jetty]

I don't think so. Remember most of us fans became their fans because of their artistry and music mostly. So losing that and giving them generic music is kinda

[storm warren]

and general problem with kpop fans is they dont actually listen to music. they are not music lovers as much they are kpop system and parasocialism lovers

thats why their music discussions always are like "it all sounds same" and "it sounds like inserts name of 5 mainstream pop girls"

[upbeat stream]

Also, the mass streaming and botting culture is insane

[copper jetty]

Ngl, i don't listen to kpop in general. I don't consider myself a kpop fan... but i listen to newjeans and i stan them mostly because of the music.. they're the only kpop group music I consume and like. If they release some generic kpop girl crush I'd rather listen to k r&b.

[cinder narwhal]

I'm only in kpop for

1. newjeans music
2. iu music
3. pretty girls

[zealous helm]

i dont really care at the end of the day if it sounds good i will listen to it i dont go to kpop for deep messages

[upbeat stream]

The amount of money they spend just to keep their songs on charts. For example, Jimin fans have been botting 'Who' for over a year at this point, with no end in sight

[storm warren]

disgusting if i must say. like what is the purpose of botting streams?

does it make music better? should i be jealous of fake records it creates?

[copper jetty]

No one's ever heard of that song and I'm surprised it's at the chart. Only their fandom listens to it and stream bots it.

[cinder narwhal]

sense of "achievement"

[upbeat stream]

And platforms like spotify are not cracking down on it because they profit from it. The only one that can stop them is billboard

[copper jetty]

For the charts and not even for the arts.

Just to say they no. 1 in this blah blah blah chart

[tawdry vessel]

mine are njz, rv, and babymonster

im still not a fan of kpop as a whole

[upbeat stream]

Hey I used to listen to rv quite a bit

Great discography

[old cypress]

Don't underestimate kpop fans and simps

[cinder narwhal]

you underestimate bunnies who only listened to kpop because of nj

sorry i missed if this is about fandom or gp

[old cypress]

they'll go but newjeans are still a big group without them

that's what i meant by losing public appeal

[copper jetty]

And that's why I don't consider myself a kpop fan. I listen to most music from classical to hard rock alternative and indie. If I like a song I would listen and stream it but ngl, what hybe did turned me off from kpop so now I don't listen to any kpop group aside from newjeans. I'd rather go back to listening to indie artists than listen to kpop again.

[old cypress]

yeah that's for sure

[storm warren]

i think huge percentage of njz fans and listeners/album buyers are people who are there for music and concept. they do have solid core fandom, but gp outnumbers it.

thats why boycott or stuff like that doesnt work on them, people consume their music and majority arent even bothered by legal dispute

core fandom that engages is not as huge

if njz loses appeal, they basically lose huge chunk of listeners. even non fans bought their albums bc of how creative they were

everyone is staying and waiting to see them maintain their creative and music identity.

nobody is waiting for another chopped song produced in BSH's writing camp

[copper jetty]

And how aesthetic their albums were. Get up album basically blew up cause bunnies were customizing their bags. How sweet is good because u can literally display it.

Also the amount of pcs that were in the album and the inclusions? I literally didn't know that kpop albums only had 1 pc per album. I thought what newjeans did were standard.

[storm warren]

the assumption that njz will be unaffected and will have huge fanbase outta nowhere like twice is simply delusional imo. twice built that fandom by having 3 comebacks per year for 5 years or more

njz changing their core identity means their brand will have slow death

and thats what njz under hybe will be

[cinder narwhal]

thank you. maybe aegreen is right but what they've said is a big misunderstanding of newjeans and their fans imo

[copper jetty]

If they still release banger music i think they will survive even with changing core identity... we still have that momentum but if they stay in hybe, we know they're gonna be given mediocre songs. I don't think they'll survive that. Core fandom will remain but most bunnies came and stayed for the music. If that goes then slow death

[storm warren]

hybe's residual hate towards them wont disappear and they will be sidelined. they will give them bare minimun to make sure they wont have reason to sue

actually they are losing all rights to fight for themselves or speak up in the future

they dont have future in hybe, thats why they cant stay or comply

[waxen musk]

NewJeans already have a lasting cultural impact.

[copper jetty]

I mean even if they lose, they'll probably just pay the fee. They already said it's not about the money, and they know what's at stake too if they lose. Actually scratch that, they actually know more what will happen if they lose

[waxen musk]

The girls have been consistent with their demands and desires. All this speculation doesn't really align with any of that. However, things can change so I understand why we are currently exploring all the options and feeling out how we feel if things were to happen.

[storm warren]

court upholding contract is complete and brutal loss for them and their career as ador can control everything. court annulling contract and making them pay is still partial win.

[old cypress]

yes but it's still bigger than most kpop groups

[storm warren]

we explore options because anything can happen. after injunction who can say we have any result guaranteed? tokkis hype up irrelevant things like website, lawyer resign, etc. it really does not change anything

[copper jetty]

Bigger than who tho? I don't think we're bigger than most bg fandom. I don't think we're bigger than twice, blackpink or baemon fandoms either. I think we have a medium sized fandom with gp listeners.

[old cypress]

big enough to have commercial success

which is what matters to hybe

and probably bigger than baemon

Twice is a good example. They lost most of the gp when they ditched everything that made them TWICE and changed concepts. But a lot of fans stayed around because they were simping over the members

there's a LOT of newjeans simps out there especially haerin, they'll stay around and buy albums and get photocards

regardless of whether the music is good or bad

[waxen musk]

If the girls lose they aren't going to give any amount of consideration to returning to current Ador. So what happens? Automatically the girls will continue to live their lives as they have been doing these past months. However this will extend until their contract end date in 2029.

You speak of Ador asking for damages. That will end the contract, giving the girls freedom to work again in this industry if they so desire, however with major financial loss. Any financial loss for them will be apparently made so by the courts to not be something impossible for them to pay off, however I could see things where they are forced to pay a percentage of their earnings.

If Ador doesn't pursue damages, the contract still applies and the girls are not free. So they are trapped but Ador doesn't benefit from it.

Lets say the Ador asks for damages and the girls are free and are outputting new music in the industry. Does Ador have the right to file an injunction? I thought you could only file an injunction if the contract was still valid, which it wouldn't be in this scenario.

Ok so that leaves the injunction only being an option for Ador if the girls output new music while under the contract that Ador still has with them after the courts deem it still valid. It will just be a repeat of what has been happening this year. I don't know how long an injunction can last, since they are by design temporary, but at least until the end of their contract in 2029.

Those are all the options.

[old cypress]

No, injunctions are preliminary, they last until the verdict is given

[waxen musk]

Either way an injunction will still expire after 2029. And I explained why it's something that's unlikely to happen. Contract still valid and the girls yet again try doing what they want in the industry? I can't see it happening.

The girls are either free with financial burden. Or they are not free and are waiting.
I really can't see an injunction coming into play unless the girls do something I wouldn't expect them to do because it will be a waste of time.

Please let me know if I haven't thought of something obvious.

[old cypress]

I think you're confusing yourself with a few things :

• If they lose the main trial, their contracts are considered valid. So the only way for them to terminate their contracts immediately is to pay the penalty fees.
• While the contracts are active, they cannot promote as njz.
• If they decide to infringe the contracts and promote as njz, ADOR will sue them for damages and most likely there will be an injunction stopping them from doing it while they wait for the damages trial to conclude. So they won't be able to promote as njz for long. (Maybe a month or two)
• Ador asking for damages doesn't end the contract. The contracts are still valid.

Basically they'll never go against their contracts. It's not an option worth exploring. And it's bad for their public image as well. Their only option is most likely terminating the contracts themselves by paying the fee.

[waxen musk]

I agree with pretty much everything. The last point where asking for damages doesn't end the contract is obviously the main thing I could have got wrong. (Same as discussion the other day.) But I don't know if it's wrong or not. I've seen different people say different things.

And the girls going against their contract which will induce an injunction is the main point I wanted to make, because the discussion earlier was all about injunctions. It's not going to happen. However their lack of freedom under Ador and them just waiting around is effectively the same as an injucntion. They have no choice and they won't be free either with an injunction or without it.

The only thing I missed out is the girls manually asking to pay for contract termination. I didn't mention that.

[old cypress]

It's common sense. There's no reason it'd terminate the contracts. If you sue your employer for not paying you, it won't terminate your contract.

[waxen musk]

I'm not 100% convinced. I wish I could be certain about that.

It's a specific legal thing anyway, something we're not equipped to answer.

Anyway I hope you understand why the injunction talk earlier was pointless.

I'm still holding out hope the mediation will result in something mutually beneficial. Just restoration of original Ador is off the table, made obvious after the CEO change.

[old cypress]

I think newjeans plan is win the trial or pay the penalty

[waxen musk]

Is there a situation where paying the penalty is not an option for them even if it's what they desire at the time of a loss? I obviously don't know how things work. Haters will say the fees are more than can be afforded. But surely something can be worked out.

[old cypress]

Fees are likely to be reduced and if it's still a lot, outside investors can chime in even though it's not ideal for mhj/njz

[copper jetty]

If Ador wins can the court force newjeans to come back? I don't think so cause it'll clash with worker's right. I think even if Ador wins the court will still invalidate the contract and just have newjeans pay damages.

[old cypress]

basically if you let outside people in, you'll have to give them some control over njz which is not ideal. If they win the main trial, they'll be in a better position to setup the new company with their own funds/mhj funds

essentially the only difference between winning and losing is millions of dollars

[old cypress]

Technically if you say "come back or pay damages" you're essentially forcing them to come back

[waxen musk]

I keep thinking of a lawsuit Nintendo won where they made this person have to send Nintendo 20-30% of any money left over after he pays for necessities such as rent. Something like that is super drastic and part of something criminal. Something like that can't happen with the girls, can it?

[old cypress]

idk but it looks like the person couldn't afford the fine and is paying in instalments?

[waxen musk]

Yeah millions. Basically for the rest of his life.

[old cypress]

in newjeans case, investors will lend them money because they see a good opportunity in njz

[waxen musk]

I'm just trying to think of the worst case scenario. So far all options you give me aren't ideal but are far from worst case scenario. It seems there's a solution in the end, whether ideal or not, I think everything will end up fine. But I also can't imagine how things can't end up fine eventually anyway.

[old cypress]

mhj said a few times that she got a bunch of offers

part of why it's essential that mhj wins her put option lawsuit. The money (and hybe paying back the lawyer fees) is essential to setup njz and keep them independent

[waxen musk]

I really do wonder what the plan was for the rest of the year, in March before the injunction.

An agency almost seemed like it was in the final stages, but they were obviously secretive about it and it ended up not happening. I wonder if they just go back to that plan.

Well not final stages, but in a "don't worry about it" phase.

I can almost see 2026 starting off exactly the same as 2025 but continuing as 2025 was planned. Just pretend 2025 didn't happen.
Tbh though I don't feel like that will happen. Too much time has passed to not consider doing things different or better.

It is funny though how we don't know how far MHJ was involved (if at all) for NJZ stuff.

Honestly I hope we get to hear MHJ speak again, share her ideals, ideas, etc.

[waxen musk]

Someone pointed out the likes on this Tweet and I felt better.

[frozen granite]

If they pay the fee, they can start be active & promote themselves as njz right ?

[copper jetty]

yeah they can

[empty halo]

chatgpt tailors and serves its answers to your biases, its not very objective

if you like njz it makes its answer more hopeful towards njz

[zealous helm]

probably not under the name njz its too similar to newjeans

[empty halo]

if they do fully lose and the contract is intact can they not pay the termination fee and leave? yes, the lawsuit is already sucking up a lot of money and the termination fee would be pretty high, but thats still an option right? even if its not a feasible one

[frozen granite]

So regardless of what happens on October 30th they can come back they’ll just have to pay. Do I have that right ?

[copper jetty]

nah i think that's what they should be going for. GP isn't really as invested in what happens legally so they shouldn't deviate with what made them known

[frozen granite]

For some reason I thought they had to wait years to come back

[copper jetty]

same. With how it was with JYJ before i thought it would take years.

[empty halo]

if they lose the lawsuit and decide to continue w ador yes. they could however pay the termination fee and leave, but the fee would be quite high

[zealous helm]

On october 30th they will win or lose their contract validity case. If they win they can do what they like, if they lose then they can still do what they were doing before with njz (as the injunction isn't in place) but it wouldn't be a good idea as ador are likey to sue. they would also just get another injunction

[empty halo]

i doubt theyll continue w ador even if they lose. theyve made it abundantly clear that they're simply not going back no matter what

[zealous helm]

no ador won't let them take the ip

[empty halo]

okay but how did fromis_9 win their name back?

looks like their new label ASND directly negotiated with pledis/hybe and got it

[zealous helm]

Yeah, when that went down i didnt expect them to keep it but ig they struck a deal w pledis

[old cypress]

that's correct

[empty halo]

this could mean if njz wins/they settle, through negotiations w Hybe they could get the name back. hybe does hate njz more than fromis but its still possible

[old cypress]

hybe let them

[old cypress]

it didnt take years for jyj to debut

[old cypress]

they went with njz to start with so njz is probably fine

[frozen granite]

Whether mhj will potentially be behind njz future plans or not I don’t think she’ll directly say it. I don’t think she’d want them to get attacked by antis or toxic stans including tokkis who don’t like her

[old cypress]

doesn't matter since she'll be in the credits

[waxen musk]

The girls used to talk about MHJ all the time regardless.

NJZ was a name they used specifically to be different enough from NewJeans that they could legally use it. Obviously haters claim otherwise and say it's too similar. I don't know how copyright laws work but it did always feel a little risky to be at all similar to their old name.

[frozen granite]

I used to be scared njz would be stuck in nugu land but seeing how much they are missed & many of their songs being used in videos makes me feel they are too famous

[old cypress]

just from the visuals alone it's impossible for them to be nugus

[waxen musk]

The only thing to worry about when it comes to nugu is them having to rebuild their Spotify follower numbers and social media follower numbers. But is that really something to worry about? People will be there, Tokkis and haters alike, to see what's next from them.

[zealous helm]

it'll probably be a while cause of her lawsuits

[waxen musk]

I don't know if there's anything stopping MHJ from legally doing what she likes right now.

[old cypress]

her shareholder agreement is terminated so i think the non-compete is gone

[waxen musk]

I'm asking btw. I don't know.

[frozen granite]

I remember the njz account had close to 8m followers so over half of the newjeans official ig account

So they should be good

[waxen musk]

Did it? They have 4.2M on IG now. I can't remember the numbers I didn't really care.

Either way they're fine. I'm not worrying.

[zealous helm]

yeah people will for sure listen to their new stuff, thats why the comeback needs to be massive

[waxen musk]

If they still appeal to a wide audience they'll be super popular. If they start doing experimental things, I'll be happy, but it won't be for everyone.

[frozen granite]

Yeah they lost some due to the inactivity & I believe some of the media play worked, but it’s cool free njz anyway

[waxen musk]

I love how every now and then this chat ends up being our hopes and dreams for their popularity for when they come back.

Is the doom over though? We all coping that things will end up eventually fine no matter what.

[frozen granite]

I think the doom will doom again as the date approaches

[waxen musk]

Yeah during and after the likely failed mediation.

[zealous helm]

why do u think it will fail?

[waxen musk]

Don't get me yapping again. I don't know. I'm almost 50/50 on it tbh. Changes every time I think about it.

[midnight yarrow]

They're not going back

[waxen musk]

Yeah that's 99.99999%. I'm talking about a successful mediation disregarding them going back.

[midnight yarrow]

Well mediation will fail because both sides have a hard stance. HYBE wants then back no matter what. The girls will not go back no matter what

I don't know how any Tokki would ever want them back in that building either

[empty halo]

if it was bound to fail they'd

1. not have a mediation session at all
2. not go on to have a SECOND one

have some hope

[waxen musk]

Almost got me yapping again to explain all options and thoughts on both sides. I won't this time lol.
But yeah, simply put, a second mediation session happening at all can be interpreted as more options are on the table.

[empty halo]

exactly

[waxen musk]

I know a lot of people seeing the second one being needed means that they got nowhere during the first. I don't see it that way. But I think it's also valid to think this way.

[empty halo]

them not going back is non negotiatiable

[empty halo]

even if they got nowhere in the first one and scheduled a second one, it shows a willingness to settle

[waxen musk]

You could also interpret it as the courts really wanting to force it to happen. We don't know.

But I told you my stance. I think it means progress can be made.

[midnight yarrow]

I know what the second mediation session entails. I just don't believe it's going to happen. HYBE haven't stopped media playing and they're not moving like a party that is conceding anything. And the girls will not go back. If a deal happens, it will be a surprise to me

I also think the police clearing MHJ of all wrongdoing was a huge tailwind. And as expected, Sejong immediately incorporated it into their arguments

[waxen musk]

I don't see Ador appearing to change in terms of media play, any signs or movement, them stopping video uploads, etc. UNTIL after mediation ends things or judgement ends things in October. They cannot appear any differently than how they always have been just in case. I don't think they'll show their hands in conceding even if that was their plan.

(Not saying conceding is an option, just giving an example.)

So don't be fooled by how they act. We don't know how they're really thinking.

They consider all options despite appearing like they won't consider anything but what they demand.

[midnight yarrow]

If the two sides have been closing the massive gap between them, we wouldn't be getting dozens and dozens of articles about some irrelevant cut trainee to stir up more negative sentiments towards MHJ and NJ to bury all the actual news about BSH

[waxen musk]

cmiiw but didn't that happen before the first mediation session?

I know it continued after the first mediation session too, but started before I thought.

[midnight yarrow]

10/30 is higher risk but also higher reward. My personal stance is that I hope we move past mediation and get to that date. HYBE can kick rocks, to put it very PG

It didn't catch fire until well after the mediation date

[waxen musk]

btw what media play has happened since the first mediation?

I'm so forgetful. All I can think of is the trainee thing.

[midnight yarrow]

A very small portion of the articles that drop daily in Korea actually get translated

We saw like 10% of the 1500+ defamatory articles the media pumped out about NewJeans

[waxen musk]

Fair enough

Anyway like I said I don't think their stance will change until the end. DESPITE what they COULD be privately thinking.

[midnight yarrow]

And the timing is just obvious. HYBE gets raided. Suddenly we all need to care about this Harin girl

[waxen musk]

I fully expect more, they must have some saved up for when BSH gets summoned hopefully in the next three days.

[copper jetty]

the case ended after 3 years. I thought it would be the same with NJS since they lost the injunction. Only reason JYJ was able to debut earlier was they were able to win injunction.

but i mean we're still at the start... If mediation fails and the girls ends up losing and they can't pay then well...

[midnight yarrow]

A 10/30 resolution is a godsend. That's why I'm not hung up on the mediation. We will not have to wait years for this to resolve

And in the meantime I can enjoy watching HYBE burn and MHJ get her money

[frozen granite]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-shh-quiet-silence-shush-gif-13011948

[waxen musk]

I’m easily convinced anything can happen. I hate not being certain or have a firm stance on anything but really there seem to be so many more options than the majority of people consider.

[frozen granite]

Im just going to leave this here:

There's no other way other than mine, yeah We can make it, we just gotta connect

[copper jetty]

what IP since NewJeans isn't the same as NJZ. Yes it's close but entirely different.

[old cypress]

No but they were active and promoting the whole time. The injunction was about stopping TVXQ activities in korea. Completely different situation from njz

[copper jetty]

Yeah completely different situation and reasons for the injunction I agree... but in the end the goal was to stop the activities. Tvxq won their injunction 3 months after the case filing which is why they resumed or in their case didn't stop promoting. Njz didn't, and that's the point. I kinda thought it was gonna take longer since case wise, jyj ended on a 3 year case.

[storm warren]

who is he now and what is his deal

[old cypress]

CFO

[copper jetty]

Who is Lee kyung joon??

[storm warren]

ador board member i think

[copper jetty]

Is he here???

[storm warren]

the one who was parachuted after board overhaul

[copper jetty]

Or she?

[storm warren]

idk who these nugus are

[copper jetty]

Same. Just wondering if that person's there

[pseudo heath]

all i see are bums

[copper jetty]

The VP?

[storm warren]

not old VP and not new VP

remember the one who resigned?

if u guys have ador board chart that posted like last year, his name would be there

or maybe im confusing and he is only hybe cfo

[hushed whale]

yeah hes also on ador board

[copper jetty]

I don't remember. Idk if he's the old VP that joked with mhj about the take over? Or was he the previous ceo that resigned with Hybe and just got transferred??

[storm warren]

old VP is Lee Sang -something

okay she is female

https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2024-05-23/business/industry/HYBE-CFO-Lee-Kyungjun-HR-head-Kim-Juyoung-in-line-to-replace-Min-Heejin-as-ADOR-chief/2053291

[copper jetty]

Idk if it's the same guy but this is Hybe cfo

[storm warren]

oh okay he is another musty male

[copper jetty]

I wonder why he's being called as a witness...

[hushed whale]

wait hes no longer CFO?

[storm warren]

resigned and now being witness?

hybe cooking something as usual

[heady gate]

He was the 1st person quit

[copper jetty]

Yeah. Because of this

[storm warren]

insider trading

[copper jetty]

https://www.koreaboo.com/news/top-hybe-executive-resigns-supposedly-after-authorities-initiate-probe-illegal-financial-activities/

[storm warren]

but it is not confirmed i think

[copper jetty]

That yg illegal trading probe?? Him

[storm warren]

is it?

[copper jetty]

Yeah. It says there. But it was only a probe. Don't know what happened with the investigation

[storm warren]

what does he have to do with MHJ case? I assume it is about board terminating MHJ CEO term

[copper jetty]

He was in Ador board when MHJ was ousted but specifically I can't think of any reason why he would be called.

Also affiliated with k&c 💀

[storm warren]

i think they picked best option for witness statement among board members

he is probably witness for how board meeting happened about MHJ CEO term termination

thats the only thing he is related to

didnt MHJ took issue with her not being notified or something

[copper jetty]

Honestly I don't remember already.

[storm warren]

Following the statement from ADOR, a representative of Min Hee Jin stated, “[Min Hee Jin] was suddenly notified on Saturday, [August] 24 that a board meeting would be held on [August] 27 regarding a change in the CEO position, and she attended the meeting via phone call on [August] 27.”

The representative continued, “The decision to dismiss CEO Min Hee Jin was made unilaterally without her consent, which is a clear violation of the shareholder agreement.”

“The company announced that CEO Min Hee Jin would continue producing for NewJeans, but this was not discussed with her and is a unilateral notification from the company,” they added.

---

another article:

"The board made the decision regardless of the CEO's wishes," Min said. "This is a grave violation of the shareholders' contract."

Min staying on board as the producer of NewJeans, as stated in ADOR's announcement, was also not discussed with Min by the company, she said.

"It was a unilateral decision," Min said.

Min's claims came two hours after ADOR made its leadership announcement at around 4 p.m. on Tuesday.

Incoming CEO Kim also sits as a member of ADOR's board of directors along with Min, HYBE's new CEO Lee Jae-sang and Chief Financial Officer Lee Kyung-jun.

ADOR refuted Min's claims in an additional press release on Tuesday evening.

"The board meeting was held according to the law," the company said. "The date was chosen out of the list that Min Hee-jin gave. Min took part in the meeting online and the board made the optimal decision for the future of ADOR and NewJeans."

[heady gate]

When I saw 4 of 5 board members were appointed by BSH, I knew MHJ would be voted out as CEO.

[storm warren]

i knew it wouldnt last long. audit happened bc they wanted to kick her out

hybe's plan was just dragged out bc of injunction win

[heady gate]

True. Now, HYBE gets an audit by the National Tax Services (karma). I wished the former CFO did the book correctly.

[copper jetty]

You mean incorrectly?

[heady gate]

you are right.

[cerulean lake]

real karma would be if they actually get punished for that

[summer iris]

How'd did newjeans get in a legal case?

[heady gate]

Ador sues them.

[summer iris]

Oh 😭

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1960493233265598872

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1756252985:d>

FTC issues warning to HYBE Chairman Bang Si-hyuk… “Submission of false data for conglomerate designation review”

??

How many warnings are they gonna give this company? I have read so many issued warnings since last year… 😒

[frozen granite]

Once njz is free I could care less if hybe is committing fraud or whatnot. The artists under that company will be affected (or mostly likely not), but I can’t wait until oct 30th so njz can be free from all that greedy company

[red thorn]

Lmao
Right, last year they achieved the chaebol status

[cerulean lake]

they always give warnings but they’re too scared to actually punish him

btw saw some rare post on a non-newjeans/njz subreddit saying that they missed the girls and it had like 3k upvotes.

there were probably some weirdos in the comments but still very surprising that it had that many upvotes considering it’s reddit

[waxen musk]

Why do I feel like nothing will actually happen by the end of this month? I'm not even sure why we were given those expectations for BSH to be summoned within the next few days. Where did that come from?

[cerulean lake]

same. like i said, i will only celebrate once he’s actually summoned or punished. a lot of times, he’s just given warnings or called out but no one actually enforces punishments on him

[red thorn]

Most people missed them
But sadly doesn't always mean those people supported their fight/decision

[cerulean lake]

true but i was just surprised regardless. i’ve never seen a newjeans post with that many upvotes since april 2024 😭😭

and even if they don’t support them, i would be surprised that they even miss them. all i see are comments of weirdos wishing for their downfall and them not being in the industry anymore

[clear hill]

Think it’s just cognitive dissonance fuelled by fandom rage tbh, if we take newjeans/mhj out of the equation and it was some other group people would 100% support. Also a lot of people are just aware how slim the chances are of a kpop big giant actually facing consequences so most just don’t want to support because they feel it’s impossible

[cinder narwhal]

share

[cerulean lake]

was literally abt to ss it but reddit refreshed for me 🫩😭

but it’s in the r/kpoppers subreddit and it was made 2d ago so i think if you go on “top” posts of the week its pretty easy to find

it just randomly came up on my home page 😭 ain’t no way i’m going into some kpop subreddit that’s not the newjeans/njz one. those people are fr evil

[cinder narwhal]

thanks

https://www.reddit.com/r/kpoppers/s/I4DrvxfUEE it's locked now though as usual haha

[red thorn]

Ah that thread, saw it ytd

[empty halo]

I used to think that even if they win, most people will have atleast a somewhat sour opinion of newjeans bc of misinfo but I was wrong. I was talking to a friend who likes kpop yesterday and she had no clue what happened to newjeans 😭 she didnt even know they left their company

most of their listeners know theres something going on but dont care enough to investigate

if the music is good theyll be fine

[cinder narwhal]

only hardcore fans and haters know what's going on

[frozen granite]

Including newjeans here is a dumb take https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6g13c86/

[tawdry vessel]

tiktok as a whole is dumb

[opaque flicker]

youre dumb

[clear hill]

And fans with a deep sense of justice!! Aka me!😭

[frozen granite]

BSH is dumb

[upbeat stream]

I'm confused now. On the court website, it says the attorney who resigned is Ryu Hye-bi. We thought its Hong Seung-myeon, who is the lead attorney for ador, or his daughter, because the resignation request was submitted by Hong. But maybe the lead attorney is the one who submits such requests for everyone

Goes to show that even k-tokkis don't know anything lol

[cinder narwhal]

no offense but is this even something worth thinking about

[upbeat stream]

If it was the lead attorney, could've been important. But one rando out of 12? Not really

[tawdry vessel]

joyahh

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1960587204671234534

[harsh dove]

@shamanjz <t:1756275390:d>

Took them long enough🙄

https://m.entertain.naver.com/home/article/609/0001027438

[red thorn]

The researcher that said something along the line "they made official YouTube account under the new name and released the new musics there"

[storm warren]

new dani marathon posts got 1k upvotes on r/newjeans sub. people are lurking, waiting and silently supporting

[clear hill]

Yea like bro anyone w a functioning head knows that’s not their official yt😭

[cinder narwhal]

unfortunately that's the minority of the population

[clear hill]

The fact that it’s the minority is sad

[red thorn]

Im just judging bc the fact panelist is a researcher

[clear hill]

Me when I go on indeed and apply for jobs I have no experience in

[dull geyser]

considering i became a fan during supernatural and they became my ult partly because of the whole legal situation, i think theyll still be fairly popular if they redebut if theres more people like me or maybe im just weird

[grizzled summit]

Soon the whole kpop industry's gonna start apologizing to the girls (except some iykyk)

[grizzled summit]

I became a fan during omg era, I still remember the first time I encountered them was their omg step challenge, I was like are they a kpop group or just fans or smth, and I got really shocked and I loved thhem! When omg had those 1m views in that day I became a fan 😍

[dull geyser]

i knew they existed bc of super shy and id heard attention and omg before and didnt know it was them, but i was mostly unaware of kpop's existence at the time sooo

honestly hearing them speak out and being brave enough to take on ador made me like them so much more. if it didnt happen im not sure they would be my ult or it would have taken longer for me to like them as much as i do now

[copper jetty]

Did kbs apologize for what they did before too? This isn't the first time they pulled this bs. I just don't know if they apologized for that time.

[clear hill]

Yes they did but like bro atp the apology isn’t needed bc u keep doing it over and over again

Fuck kbs all of my homies hate kbs

[cinder narwhal]

i remember when they were kbs babies

you can feel the favoritism back then

[copper jetty]

They're entering part of my boycott list along with hybe subsidiaries and hybe.

Although I love return of superman minji episode and 2 days and 1 night... but no... f them.

[storm warren]

tbh different departments. music show has their own staff

kbs generally misreports even political info. and not only kbs.

[cinder narwhal]

well true

[storm warren]

this one is a bit next level tho. boomers probably cant even tell difference between official and non official channels

the funny thing people fell for that channel, actually believing it was real 😭😭

[clear hill]

Yup, done that already and people who know I no longer support other Hybe groups were PISSEDDDD.

[clear hill]

Oop

[native anchor]

mhj performative

[pseudo heath]

Lmfao

[clear hill]

She reads feminist literature n have labubu keychain 💔

[native anchor]

🎉

[pseudo heath]

all she needs is dubai chocolate

[clear hill]

That’s just microtrend final boss

If njz in the future come out w a Dubai chocolate concept then maybe

[pseudo heath]

maybe wired headphones then

[tawdry vessel]

what in the tiktok language

[clear hill]

It’s almost like famous internet culture comes from social media

[mild mist]

[insert that one next generation episode]

[short laurel]

bang often talked about his teacher in his interviews.

[cerulean lake]

nah she needs the matcha latte

[dull geyser]

my boycott list is literally the whole of the kpop industry exc ablume and njz when they redebut help

[dull geyser]

ooh damn

[pseudo heath]

damn

I respect that

[dull geyser]

the key is soundcloud ☝️

being broke also helps

[pseudo heath]

ive downloaed music so il use that

[dull geyser]

yeah that too

[waxen musk]

I don't know what's going on but let's see what happens today. https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1960840084619715040

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

between what happened earlier today and these pro bsh articles, summoning better happen today

X · Aug 27, 2025, 11:01 PM

[copper jetty]

People still waiting for bsh summons. We'll see..
But don't get ur hopes up cause The ftc only did warning last time even though they have a History of omitting things on reports.

[loud rock]

reddit isnt a good source

unless u want a crowd opinion but even then take it with a grain of salt

[clear hill]

Tbh real except loona/redebuts and Aespa. I don’t need to boycott other groups bc there’s very few groups I actively listen to and pay attention to

[cerulean lake]

i mean is he only expected to be summoned within august?

[cinder narwhal]

somehow i have even less hope of bang getting arrested than newjeans getting out

[frozen granite]

Once njz is out of that company would we care what happens with hybe or not really?

[clear hill]

Yes because Yhey are still a shitty company that deserves to fail besides newjeans

Like Ik there’s no perfect label but Hybe deserves major financial loss to negatively impact its stocks.

[cinder narwhal]

tbh no you shouldn't. focus on the group

let this thread die with the bad vibes and make a new serious-chat thread imo

also make your own decisions in life

[clear hill]

But also I’m speaking from personal opinion.. not we as a collective

[waxen musk]

I only care about what is happening with Hybe if it has any relevance to NewJeans' situation or if it reveals things that can open people's eyes or change their mind. Unrealistic expectations, but not impossible.

But it is a fascinating situation regardless.

[clear hill]

Tbh I feel like Hybe’s relevance in the future is impacted by newjeans regardless... even if it’s so minuscule to their overall success I mean we already saw the Hybe stock market crash shortly after the whole controversy was revealed

We are actively witnessing a decline in the kpop market due to newjeans’ hiatus. Ador even emphasized their vital role to the industry in court: I’m talking out of my ass maybe and this is purely anecdotal but I don’t think we can dismiss the impact their hiatus has left

[red thorn]

I wouldn't say decline, the industry still hot it's just more diluted

[clear hill]

Compared to 2024 and 2023 kpop was dominating globally and I’m not saying kpop isn’t anymore but there’s a shift 🤷‍♀️ Why do you think katseye is responsible for the global success in kpop for 2025– as a global idol group?Their global success IS kpop global success because no matter what katseye will always be associated with kpop before they are western pop stars. Hybe knew the role they had to play in the industry moving forward. To say Hybe is using katseye to replace newjeans’ global success is not a new piece of information neither is it a radical statement.

Kpop moving forward for the next upcoming years will inevitably bring steady growth. Kpop as a concept in the global market is slowly reaching its maturing peak and is no longer considered “foreign mainstream”.

These are my opinions though, take them with the tiniest grain of salt

[waxen musk]

I think Hybe's goal is for global success no matter what.

What confuses me about ILLIT is they don't seem like they were constructed in a way to allow for global success. Obviously Magnetic temporarily disproved that, but overall they seem aimed at a different and more niche market which includes Japan (which to be fair is a very big market). This is just how it feels to me, but I don't think it's true when you obviously remember they were trying to replicate NewJeans as closely as possible, who were a global success. I just think they're doing a bad job replicating them in the areas that are important. Instead they just replicate little things here and there that aren't even relevant to their overall identity.

Le Sserafim ever since Perfect Night has been chasing Western trends with the genres they go for plus spending a lot of time promoting in the US.

I do think English (first language) speaking members are almost a requirement for true global success.

I really have no idea how Hybe handles their boy groups but obviously BTS is a guaranteed success, they really don't even need to try with them. Other than BTS, I don't know how much Hybe even cares about their other boy groups. I can imagine though, a global boy group will be happening sooner than later.

As for the overall K-pop market's decline this year, I only really feel it's because of the lack of quality of music, and I'm not sure what caused it. I wouldn't say NewJeans' absence caused it. If they were active this year I don't think the output of all the other groups would be any different, which would just end up with NewJeans standing out even more than previous years. They would have no competition unlike last year.

I don't know what to expect for K-pop in the future. I've only focused on it since 2023 and it changed so much in just a few short years. Does something new have to happen? Probably. I don't think the brand new groups this year that almost all remind you of NewJeans help at all.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/NJZBAM/status/1960697763429073101

yb (@NJZBAM)

Girl Groups Latest Korean Comebacks Unique Listeners on MelOn in the 1st 24 Hours:

NewJeans
- How Sweet 332,421
- Bubble Gum 249,826

Aespa
- Dirty Work 184,751

Blackpink
- Jump 172,978

IVE
- XOXZ 103,628

Lesserafim
- Hot 62,921

Illit
- Do the dance 61,219

X · Aug 27, 2025, 1:35 PM

interesting

[tawdry vessel]

yes you should cause hybe dying no more njz negative mediaplay

[clear hill]

Hmmmmm I disagree AND agree because katseye wasn’t supposed to be THE replacement but I think Hybe is focusing on its impact as a company rather than a Hybe group impacting specifically if that makes sense.

I think we all know by now illit is made to replace newjeans but I think Hybe gathered that illit’s overall success is garnered from successfully benefiting from a niche newjeans pioneered in kpop. I don’t think Hybe is focusing on a specific group to outwardly replace newjeans, as long as they can create noise (as in figuratively) that overpowers newjeans then to them they’ve essentially accomplished their goal.

With lesserafim being “westernized” I don’t think this is in particular to lesserafim but simply due to the current concept/genre/fashion trends that is hogging over kpop.

[cinder narwhal]

will being tuned in help that happen

[clear hill]

When people talk about “western” influence in kpop it kjnd of surprises me people don’t realize the influence in question is the overall pop music vibe that is dominating the mainstream music industry.

People see twice, a 3rd gen gg as a kpop gg but then look at a 4th-5th gen group during/after newjeans as “westernized” but fail to realize pop songs from twice’s peak era SOUND alike western pop music. Kpop music IS western. Why do you think the majority of pop idols that are responsible for kpop songs write music for KPOP groups?

[midnight yarrow]

not to be rude, but people who whine about western influence in K-Pop don't know the history of it. It has always borrow heavily from western music with sprinkles of jpop here and there. NewJeans at least zagged when everybode else was zigging trying to be the next BLACKPINK. And HYBE never believed in them; MHJ did. That's why we're here. NewJeans proved MHJ's vision right and exposed BSH as a narcissistic fraud, especially when they outshone the group he was personally responsible for

[clear hill]

Just take a listen to ava max, Zara Larson,bebe rexha. It’s extremely obvious to hear

[waxen musk]

Sometimes it's more obvious when things from K-pop sound like what's is in the Western charts vs not. There are times where it's more obvious than others. And yeah Western concepts and sounds have been the source for the majority of K-pop. I'm not particular familiar with what K-pop has invented itself. But it's wrong to say that K-pop sometimes just sounds like K-pop and other times it doesn't. It's a fine line to be honest and I'm not best equipped to describe when it crosses it vs doesn't.

[clear hill]

Exactly and to add onto this MHJ’s success stems from acknowledging that. If you listen to or pay attention to any of the groups she’s worked in it is very very obvious.

[waxen musk]

I also don't think people whine about it. But sometimes it's just people complaining about chasing obvious current trends vs something like NewJeans which just takes stuff from other eras and evokes nostalgia and repackages it in something that is entirely their indentity, despite the genres being already existing Western sounds.

It's all a balancing act.

[clear hill]

SM already has a history of benefiting from western/black culture too like this tinashe stereotype is alive and well so to say what we’ve seen recently has become more westernized is wrong.

There is nothing wrong in thinking that though, i think it’s because we are living through it right now and can’t analyze and pick it apart and see it from a clearer lens that after it matures after a couple of years.

[midnight yarrow]

lol it's Korean pop music. Korea itself has a culture of trend chasing and its music is no exception. It happened in every generation of K-Pop going all the back to first generation as well. You can't watch any of those girl groups and not see the TLC coding and other big time R&B/Pop/Hip Hop inspirations.

MHJ just had the creative genius to package and present her take on K-Pop, and her ideal girl group, the culmination of two decades worth of work in that space, and we got NewJeans. It's not exactly WHAT they did but HOW they did it that was novel, starting with the no promo/no announcement debut

[waxen musk]

I think the obvious simple thing to say is people don't like when chasing trends is obvious. It feels calculated rather than artistic.

Loads of yapping just to say that, basically.

[midnight yarrow]

NewJeans is the trend. Has been since they debuted. I take it as a compliment. Nobody has filled their shoes in their absence either. Not in terms of impact, statistically or culturally. And HYBE is terrified of the prospect of having to go against that instead of profiting from it. But it's the bed they made for themselves. Now they can lie in it.

[waxen musk]

I don't think NewJeans' debut EP and OMG/Ditto even sound like anything else I'm all that familiar with. The Get Up EP and all songs from 2024 can be compared to other already existing songs in the same genres.

To varying degress.

[clear hill]

Well my point is that there is no chasing trends (as in a separate movement from kpop)because kpop inevitably and inherently profits off trends. There is no chasing trends in kpop because that’s the essence of kpop. To take mainstream sound and integrate it into a foreign audience.

Kpop by proxy is western.

[waxen musk]

Yeah it's still just pop in general. Just with it's own flavour in Korea. Even general global pop doesn't have a NewJeans level event all that often. (Not that I pay attention to non-K-pop pop really much at all so maybe I'm wrong.)

[clear hill]

That’s because min heejin has taken niche western sounds and concept growing in popularity and integrated it in perfect timing (2022) to kpop

[waxen musk]

It's funny how J-pop still is it's own thing and doesn't really escape from Japan other than through the most popular anime OSTs. K-pop doesn't really feel as strong in identity like you can say about J-pop. So yeah it really is just like Western K-pop.

[clear hill]

From a marketing analyst standpoint this lines up with the yearly trends during 2019 (the start of bighit gg auditions & “mhj gg” hype). Pink pantheress blew up during covid and really pioneered this uk garage sound.

Also in 2019-2020 (during covid) internet culture took a massive turn. It went from still remaining it’s own identity, rooted in online and “not real” to becoming omnipresent. Internet culture’s impact on mainstream pop culture significantly increased. During a time of utter chaos and uneasiness, we sought comfort in authenticity(think gen z interns working for marketing, companies using meme formats to pander and cater to the younger generation/demographic who are longing for authenticity and human connection,influencers becoming celebrity adjacent,etc).Trends were born from online/influencers rather than celebrities thus explaining the “influencer concept” mhj laid out for newjeans.

[midnight yarrow]

simple reason for that is Japan is still thriving as a music market. It's the second largest in the world behind only the U.S. They don't need to cater to anyone outside of their country. South Korea is a relatively small music market, so exporting their culture, buoyed by the Hallyu Wave, was critical to its growth and stability. I bet less than 3% of the users here know the top 1st gen groups, but most know the 2nd gen groups

[clear hill]

Mayve to all of you I’m just a village jester speaking in tongues but this is based on studying marketing, subculture history, art history, etc. As well as being part of said subcultures and online spaces.

[waxen musk]

Yeah I agree with you overall. I was just gonna be pedantic about certain things you said but I won't bother because overall you're on the ball.

[clear hill]

Also the reason why japan has been able to maintain its own identity is because its soft politics throughout wwii have massively impacted and shifted history to the point where we don’t need to construct an identity for japan. Anime literally saved japan.

The proximity to American influence also plays a massive role. America’s invasion on japan meant both cultures were bound to overlap. SK’s massive reliance on America to form SK and isolate themselves as it’s own country apart NK gave them close proximity that has been overlapped for generations as well.

[rugged dagger]

in no mood to find another 🥀

[short laurel]

What happened? Tldr please

[empty halo]

is it just me or does this niche "magical girl" stuff seem like a last minute change?

i always thought that illit's comebacks after magnetic were supposed to resemble newjeans a lot more. but belift backed out of it bc they didnt expect the members and old ador to actually go public w their plagiarism concerns

what they expected was once mhj was kicked out, theyd give newjeans very few comebacks and make them fade into irrelevance slowly as illit took their market by making music that newjeans' market desired

but when mhj and old ador made a whole instagram post about plagiarism in the company, it made all this way too obvious

[cinder narwhal]

tbf to them and their fans i kept hearing magical girl even before their first comeback

[empty halo]

so they backed out and stuck to the little magical elements of magnetic, and made it their whole concept so they could deflect claims of their concept being the same as newjeans (i.e youth)

[empty halo]

magnetic had like little magical elements here and there, the "magic" part of their concept wasnt as obvious back then

also have you seen the lucky girl syndrome mv 😭 i feel like their original concepts were more in line with that

[red thorn]

It was never about concept it was more about similar idea and expressions

[empty halo]

similar idea? of what

of the concept

[red thorn]

On different things
Not on the whole group concept

[empty halo]

doesnt mhj's whole argument hinge upon belift stealing her 7 year plans for nwjns? that plan probably didnt consist of plans for choreography and expressions, but more so concepts and themes for the group

[empty halo]

oh? I thought illit had the same youthful concept as newjeans for their debut with a little bit of magic sprinkled here and there, mostly in the magnetic mv

what im talking about is more obvious in the lucky girl syndrome mv

[clear hill]

TLDR;
Someone asked how we feel about Hybe after newjeans.

I said I will continue to boycott Hybe because Hybe is a bad company regardless, some are more focused on simply the girls

Differing opinions and the conversation led into another one; will this impact the trajectory of Hybe moving forward? Is it possible? Will Hybe be able to continue blocking out the noise?

Basically the gist of it

The conversation led into a deep dive of East Asian history 💀 specifically covering why Korean pop feels more “western” than Japanese pop.

Did a marketing analysis of mhj’s concept for newjeans too. If anyone cares 🥀

[clear hill]

I agree but I think belift never planned to copy off of their existing concept but rather the grand picture mhj had laid out for the girls

Like why is it that magnetic felt like a continuation of super shy? Since get up ep was their last comeback before magnetic it feels like they took her work and just plagiarized from there. that’s my guess

[empty halo]

thats what im sayin

[clear hill]

Also illit’s next comeback being lucky clover themed and it’s been something they’ve (newjeans) been hinting at

[empty halo]

wait ur right magnetic does feel like a continuation of get up as a whole

[empty halo]

next comeback that isnt out yet as of aug 2025? or are you talking about some past comeback theyve had which had clover symbolism

[clear hill]

The more I think about it magnetic has the liminal and surrealist motifs of omg/ditto with an overall theme of get up.

[clear hill]

I think it’s called lucky girl?

[empty halo]

oh yeah

that was a song in their debut EP

i liked it quite a lot back then 😭

[clear hill]

Also I mentioned before the similarities of lucky girl and how sweet

And I remember seeing a weverse iroha photo shoot looking exactly like the supernatural photo shoot 😭😭😭😭 but the thing is the weverse came first.

[empty halo]

their debut EP was actually pretty cute. the problem is that it feels like nothings rlly changed from then, musically that is

[clear hill]

Actually I notice a shift

[empty halo]

"7 year plans"

[clear hill]

I don’t think the arguments in belift’s favor of newjeans being a copy of gfriend if illit is a copy of newjeans really holds weight esp after their newest ep

[empty halo]

"you-you-you-you like its magnetic"
"ch-ch-ch-ch-cherish my love"
"do do do do do do do da dada da da"
the choruses feel very similar

well, to me atleast

[clear hill]

No I mean from magnetic to do the dance comeback

I’m talking specifically about jellyous. I think that one is the most jarring comparison because of how much elements they’ve taken from newjeans.

[empty halo]

still dont understand any correlation bw gfriend and newjeans. were they trying to imply that comparing illit to newjeans is as crazy as comparing gfriend to newjeans?

[clear hill]

I guess their argument was “friendships in school, girlhood, the jack swing newjeans is copying gfriend” and this was their way of pointing out the “absurdity” of this plagiarism comparison

[empty halo]

right

well it backfired thankfully

[clear hill]

But in reality if you look at gfriend’s concept, it was the youthful concept 2nd gen kpop held out for 3rd gen if girl crush never took center stage.

[empty halo]

really? jellyous isnt a song newjeans would release (tho i see how there's some nj elements within it) but magnetic felt like it could be straight off of get up

[clear hill]

The reason why belift’s argument weakens their claim is because illit (this is not referring to the members buy illit as a brand and concept made by belift) isn’t taking elements to cash in on a concept that’s been successful.

[empty halo]

true

[clear hill]

It’s straight up cutting up pieces and rearranging them to make a “new” product.

[empty halo]

bunnies talking about how desperately they wanna listen to NJ1 but the fact that weve probably already heard it

[clear hill]

YES it would. YES it would trust me 😭

[empty halo]

really? idk i havent heard the song in its entirety but i dont fully see it 😭

ive just heard the part where they dance like crazy

[clear hill]

The parallels seem rather distant but if you dissect the major influences of newjeans’ music and choreography, the foundation of it is underground/street subcultures. i can’t really articulate it well because I’m not familiar w hip hop subgenres terms at the top of my head but when I gather the right terms I’ll actually be able to dissect them in a cohesive manner 😭

[empty halo]

i agree, when you dissect the song you can see elements of newjeans within but is jellyous a song newjeans would flat out release? that's the part im hesitant to agree on

[clear hill]

To be fair I haven’t heard the full song (I don’t know the full illit songs) only the chorus and to me it is very on par with newjeans.

[empty halo]

as for choreography, anyone can see that belift choreographers saw newjeans' style and told the members to dance like that 💀 ("that" being not completely being in sync at all times but looking cohesive)

a lot of groups have adopted it now tho

when u start seeing things in the industry that were clearly influenced by nwjns but u cant say it or else people will jump on you and say you think everything is inspired by nwjns

[clear hill]

I think the massive drill influence in jellyous to me just screams newjeans. Which is ironic because at the end of the day newjeans don’t own genres and subcultures created by and for black people. But when you’re in this kpop industry echo chamber, you stick to a formula to guarantee success. And a group this close in proximity to newjeans, I feel like the accusations make it really to ignore.

[empty halo]

*obviously not implying that newjeans invented these things but im saying that they popularized it in kpop and these groups are taking inspo from nwjns, not from the original subcultures/styles

[clear hill]

I think we all agree that newjeans has been influential for 5th gen. There’s no argument in that. People will deny but I think it’s just cognitive dissonance. They refuse to believe a group they’ve worked so hard to hate on and ignore are successful. But illit isn’t just a random group that debuted in 5th g. No matter what debuting in 5th gen you will one way or another take massive inspiration from newjeans. Just like how blackpink paved the way for 4th g to be girl crush, newjeans paved the way for 5th gen to be youthful and fresh.

[clear hill]

Oh dw I know! I’m speaking to correcting myself bc I know it’s a question that needs to be addressed to make my point 😭

[empty halo]

exactly!! the biggest groups of a generation influence what the next gen is gonna be like and nwjns was simply the biggest of 4th gen lmao

and some groups do pull it off (e.g kiiikiii)

the problem isnt that illit is inspired by nwjns the problem is that their label flat out stole specific ideas

[short laurel]

this phrase "is it western, is it japanese" unless we are talking about really old styles. i feel like doesn't matter, majority of things we c today are inspired from each other. even current jpop is western inspired and even western music takes inspriration from east. also alot of inspiration from black community.

[short laurel]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DMnR9DGyolO/

[subtle matrix]

I think there's a lot of nuance there. Newjeans have obviously been super influential not only for what we now call 5th gen but for all of kpop. I think even some older groups who have been active since before newjeans debuted are adopting some elements from newjeans' sound and aethetic

However kpop fans in general are fucking insane when it comes to so called "plagiarism" and the accusations get thrown around for the most inconsequential and irrelevant similarities between groups

This isn't a newjeans specific issue it's a kpop fandom issue. It's just that because newjeans have been so influential they're one of the groups where similarities are more easily found

And often the accusations are legitimately stupid. Like comparing one 0.5sec shot from a MV to another 0.5 sec shot from another music video

[feral tapir]

following their logic everyone is copying everyone, not only in kpop

[storm warren]

https://x.com/tokki_jpn_820/status/1961013452736250315

ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)

8月28日に被告側(ミンヒジン)が「当事者本人尋問申請書」を提出したみたいです。

民事訴訟で当事者本人(原告または被告)は訴訟の主体であるだけで証拠調査の対象にはなれないのが原則。

X · Aug 28, 2025, 10:30 AM

so MHJ will appear as witness if it is accepted?

[copper jetty]

I think this would counter Hybe calling that ex board member as witness. It's going to be blow by blow. 🍿

[storm warren]

Yeah, she is the only witness of board meeting aside hybe lackeys

hope the court accepts it, but would that mean she will appear on 9/11 or next hearing

[copper jetty]

If it's approved then she might.

[waxen musk]

She wants to yap. She yearns for it.

This is an obvious point but needs to be heard: https://x.com/minjisbodyguard/status/1961030215552958884

hybe flop🏎️🏁 ⭒ (@minjisbodyguard)

idk if I’m being too naive but normally no guilty person wants to willingly testify, look at bongo avoiding the police and fleeing to the us until he couldn’t do it anymore lol

X · Aug 28, 2025, 11:36 AM

[bronze talon]

and the delays of hearings

[copper jetty]

to be fair it was just an invitation and not an official summons. right?

[empty halo]

bongo is hilarious

[copper jetty]

lmao... fans literally calling him bongo and not his name

why bongo though?

[short laurel]

Bongo

[copper jetty]

what does it even mean?

[hollow sorrel]

this is september 11 right

[copper jetty]

yeah... I didn't know it was the same day as the 4th hearing.

oh my bad 2nd mediation is what i mean

[short laurel]

An animal or drums

[copper jetty]

drum could... his previous shape...

[short laurel]

Look up bongo on Google man

[waxen musk]

Sounds like a clown's name to me.

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/sihyuk-bang-pd-bang-pd-omg-bang-sihyuk-omg-gif-24289138

jumpscare

[flint stone]

I googled it 😶

[dull geyser]

there's no situation in which illit needs to be proven innocent, just belift

it was properly addressed in the last hearing but it was said in the original hearing where ador brought it in, hanni mentioned that it was from the wrong day and that danielle wasn't with her at the time. hybe said themselves the footage from that day was (automatically) deleted, it was just overlooked

[dull geyser]

honestly i was wondering the same about illit, because 'cute' concepts have never been very popular in the west, but it seems they're not focused on making an international audience for them, maybe they're leaving that just for katseye

because illit has been fairly successful in china and i presume the rest of east asia

[dull geyser]

but im gonna be so honest i wasnt interested in kpop until magnetic so somehow it worked

[pseudo heath]

ive been intrigued with kpop since i first heard omg but I've never really listened till recently

[dull geyser]

this actually majorly pissed me off ngl

[dull geyser]

i lived under a rock back then 😔

[dull geyser]

i felt the same way about literally every illit song, until i realised that the production and vocals would differ by a lot. now i hear nj in almost all of their songs

[pseudo heath]

Haha same lowk it jus randomly popped on my youtube recommend and I thought it was a catchy but i was embarrassed to listen to kpop back then

[dull geyser]

i only knew bts and blackpink from kpop soo 😭

[pseudo heath]

real

[dull geyser]

its funny to me how big of a bunny ive become because i actually was a fan of illit first

[pseudo heath]

found the truth /j

Illits cool and all but nothing will ever be newjeans

[dull geyser]

real 😔

[red thorn]

Japan obv, they've been pushing the market there, to the point collaboration with japanese production for their MV

[heady gate]

2 court cases on Sep 11. Are they at the same court?

[old cypress]

rather than cute concepts, illit is nostalgia pop

reinterpreting retro songs and concepts with a modern take

it can be popular in the west but they've been mostly tapping into korean and asian culture

jellyous is more global but it's just a bside

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/NJZBAM/status/1961040213804818799

yb (@NJZBAM)

What if HYBE brings all the former n-team members and create their new girl group for ADOR.

The same they’re doing with Katseye😭

X · Aug 28, 2025, 12:16 PM

[steel depot]

nah... we don't have to worry about that

[red thorn]

Kek
Doubt it's plausible but possible strat
Regardless some people boycott, agency controversy, etc. there will be always consumers and marketing gonna find the market

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/Splias/status/1960914100919194047

Lia (@Splias)

Plagiarism is now bad

Label rivalry is now unethical

Leaking videos is not acceptable

What else have Tokkis been saying all along

X · Aug 28, 2025, 3:55 AM

sometimes the pettiness is so satisfying

[fleet nebula]

[copper jetty]

Did something happen to one of their oppars bg and that's why they're crying and screaming about "plagiarism". Also video leak??? Of who (aside from the girls before)? 🍵

[cinder narwhal]

|| jimin gf leaked videos of jimin visiting her||

[copper jetty]

Oh... I'm guessing ahhmiiies hounded her (the gf) and the member is just 😶

[cinder narwhal]

you got it

[rugged dagger]

🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[dull geyser]

yes but because they were made to replace nj, i would have thought they would try to appeal to the west too, but it looks like they're leaving that for katseye

this isnt about njz but with the new hybe x geffen group coming in so soon, do you think the goal is to put them against each other? especially after some of the conflict in the first doco

[empty halo]

yeonjun released a solo called ggum and they sold a figurine/keychain as merch for it. belift is being accused of copying the doll for sunghoon of enhypen. the original artist who made the ggum doll for yeonjun came out and expressed disappointment i think

the first one is yeonjun's and the second one is sunghoon's. I think the artist made an insta comment or sumn? cant find it

[empty jetty]

when is the mhj stuff?

[copper jetty]

I'm gonna be petty and say "I don't see it. It looks different. Just because belift had the design doesn't mean they copied it. No evidence whatsoever."

[short laurel]

Bts can do worse n army will praise them. Something little happen to bts, army will be enraged.
But if any other idol say they are suffering, or if they do even a slightest of wrong like eating weirdly, suddenly the idol is in the wrong according to these ppl.

[clear hill]

Wtf did I do

Bc newjeans HAVE been teasing w four leaf clover... in each comeback idk ab the first one u can literally see the four leaf clover motif

[torn idol]

i think he/she tryna say illit is copying newjeans?

[clear hill]

Ohhhh nvm, I read it wrong 😭

[feral tapir]

these people need to seek professional help🥰

[cerulean lake]

i find it funny how that fandom attacked the girls and mocked them by diminishing their mistreatment to just the greeting thing + they said the girls were entitled for thinking that they had to be greeted everytime

but the group they stan literally has a book out talking abt how they struggled mentally when they were not as popular and people used to not respect and greet them properly, and of course that fandom was outraged

that’s hypocrisy to the next level 😭😭

plus i will never forget 2018 when people from that fandom were jumping on certain groups (especially the female ones) because they thought they didn’t greet them properly 🤫

[craggy horizon]

*x -c
https://x.com/haewoonz/status/1947759760075592078?t=JoJ_OV0grxeGO0nAAUtfeg&s=19

[harsh dove]

@haewoonz <t:1753217089:d>

NWJNS AMOR - a thread of what could’ve been 🧚🏻‍♂️🪽🍀

[subtle matrix]

Are we still doing "x fandom is worse than y fandom"? 🥱

[pseudo heath]

louis

[heady gate]

This is a long article covers NJ and MHJ's cases from April 25, 2024 to now. Enjoy reading. https://www.vulture.com/article/hybe-feud-ador-min-hee-jin-newjeans.html

[pseudo heath]

Is it biased or nah cause if it isnt il read it cause I dont understand the situation fully

[heady gate]

I am still reading it

[empty halo]

looking at the comments from videos of min heejin's 2024 press conference is so bizarre considering her reputation now. almost everyone was siding w her

it feels like her press conferences and public statements are usually more well recieved than the ones newjeans does

[short laurel]

tell us cuz that title is sus.

[timber shell]

it stays on natural side, neither biased on NJZ nor ADOR side i've read so far

[loud rock]

mine tbh is everglow, class:y, loona, madein, and now girlset/vcha

[empty halo]

why boycott girlset? I know about what happened to kg and fearing that it might happen to the other members, but considering the fact that one of the members did terminate their contract, doesnt it seem like the other members negotiated better terms etc to stay w jyp? or else they couldve left too

just asking bc if something fishy's going on ill boycott too

[upbeat stream]

Maybe some people want to avoid companies that have been abusive, like any that had a lawsuit with their artists

[empty halo]

right

jyp in general is quite extreme and abusive

[loud rock]

bc i dont wan to suort an abusive comany

[clear hill]

Since I see a lot of ppl boycotting kpop groups y’all should look into burning cds. Unless you’re one of those ppl who are against pirating media 💀

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-nwjns-haerin-cookie-dancing-gif-26477462

[loud rock]

i LOVE pirating

[clear hill]

Pirating yves... ur so real for that

[loud rock]

anyways we need to stay on topic

[clear hill]

I’m glad I found my ppl fr 😭some kpop fans think it makes u a “fake fan” bc u pirate lolol

[empty halo]

valid

[empty halo]

can you pls tell me where you pirated your Yves from 🥹

[short laurel]

piracy is not theft, it's service problem. So support piracy! 🏴‍☠️

we are technically pirating newjeans content that fraudor has been releasing. by one memebr downloading the video and spreading it.

[empty halo]

kpop fans care more about charts and portraying their group as successful for twitter comebacks during stan wars than the actual well being of the idols they stan and using boycotting to send a message to a company. that's why they'd rather burn their money in sending stupid fucking trucks instead of just pirating

[loud rock]

kpopflac.xyz

[empty halo]

loona boycott was goated

[empty halo]

tysm

[clear hill]

Fr. As much as I’m happy that bunnies support njz a lot of the support feel performative knowing that their end goal is for newjeans to top charts to rival other groups

It’s so suffocating I’m glad theres ppl like y’all who aren’t like that

[loud rock]

for me pirating njz is a lil weird bc on one hand i dont want to suort ador but on the other hand njz is earning royalties from the streams aswell

[clear hill]

Yeah we’re kind of stuck in a limbo right now but I don’t think it’s bad to continue to stream bc they’re kind of relying on that entirely

[loud rock]

this is like the only case where i rlly cant boycott a shitty company

[empty halo]

there's this expection of a big comeback which'll go viral and thats understandable considering their past record but it makes you wonder if they'd still stan if the music was good but the chart performance wasnt groundbreaking

[native anchor]

admitting to piracy is crazy

[empty halo]

dont report us to the police pls

[loud rock]

i mean its not like bang sihyuks fat pop the pig looking ass is going to send me a cease and decist

[native anchor]

what

thats not how piracy works

he could only do that if u were to sell that pirated music

[loud rock]

fair

[native anchor]

u can still get in trouble by downloading it tho

like a fine

[empty halo]

depends on the country

[fathom onyx]

yea

prob never in Brazil lol

[empty halo]

yves' tiny ass company is not tracking down people pirating her music and sending them fines trust

[native anchor]

i never said that the company goes out and fines you

its ur local law enforcement

if they catch u u will get fined

[empty halo]

and thats very unlikely unless ur selling what ur pirating and letting everyone in town know

idk where youre from but I've been pirating things from when I was like 11, its a pretty normal thing most people do 😭

[pseudo heath]

I dont think they'll chase you down for it

[native anchor]

just because its normal and others do it

doesnt mean its okay

[empty halo]

pirating is awesome

[pseudo heath]

I pirate games and then I jus try do anything I can to get shit for free

[loud rock]

i really only pirate IF someone behind it is abusive

(ex blockberry, atkrakkt, jy us

[empty halo]

if you wanna consume stuff from problematic companies without giving them money or wanna play or watch films and games that are inaccessible. there are many games and films out there that arent sold in stores or available on streaming platforms. your best bet is usually to pirate that media if you wanna consume it

[pseudo heath]

once I get a job il stop pirating indie games

[empty halo]

yes it's kinda bad to pirate stuff from smaller companies tho that arent problematic or anything

[native anchor]

name me a media which isnt sold or on any streaming platform

[clear hill]

It’s not about expecting a huge comeback that’ll go viral and then everyone lived happily ever after for me bc I know that’s what the girls want but I think it’s just a lot of bunnies who boycott to support newjeans and are aware of the shitty exploitative practices in the kpop industry but then continue to stan other groups who are most likely being exploited. Like when newjeans came out to the public about thisthey wanted other kpop idols tonot go thru this either idky some bunnies only care about boycotting when it comes to newjeans 😭

[empty halo]

a game called the path

i was only ever able to play it bc i pirated it

[native anchor]

not even expensive

[pseudo heath]

Tbf if its a piece of media thats only available on one platform there's no point really paying for it

[native anchor]

8 bucks

[native anchor]

that doesnt make sense

[pseudo heath]

Like for example im not tryna sign up for paramount plus jus to watch one show

[empty halo]

thats true

[native anchor]

ur not getting one show tho

u are getting that show plus

everything else on there

be it if u want that or not

[pseudo heath]

Obviously but I dont want to watch anything else on there

[native anchor]

cancel the sub then after

[empty halo]

i played the game years ago and didnt see it on steam

[native anchor]

okay?

[pseudo heath]

Yeah thats long though id rather jus go on fmhy and find a website and firm the ads

[native anchor]

is that an excuse or a justification

[empty halo]

i was like 13 😭 ⁉️
stop ur acting like i should be in jail lmfaoodkdkd

[native anchor]

never once mentioned jail

im just saying u guys admitting to piracy is crazy

[empty halo]

acting like

[pseudo heath]

wait what's ur point im getting lost in the sauce

[loud rock]

gang theres a diff between pirating from small companies that didnt do shit and like shitty companies UNLESS the creators say they dont care

[empty halo]

they think admitting to piracy is crazy and its bad to pirate things it seems

[pseudo heath]

idk about you but basically everyone ik pirates

[native anchor]

that is a dead beat logic

if everyone smokes would u do that too

[pseudo heath]

yeah i get that like I said il probably buy the indie games when I get a job but for now id rather pirate instead of taking money from my small bank account

[pseudo heath]

Not comparable imo pirating doesn't harm my body

[native anchor]

😐

[empty halo]

what could be wrong about pirating say, the Sims 4, a game by a shitty greedy company thats very expensive if you buy even a few expansion packs + the value is increased outside of the fuckass US

[native anchor]

its not about the thing ur doing ur using logic which says everyone does it so its okay that i do it too

[native anchor]

sure its expensive but thats how it is

play some else

plenty of other games out there

anyway

this is a njz themed channel

if u wanna talk

ping me in off topic or some

[pseudo heath]

Head to general 😈

[short laurel]

That's the issue. Everyone says the same thing about everything kpop n keep supporting toxic companies cuz otherwise idols won't receive royalties.

N majority of idols are in trainee debt.

[loud rock]

yes and no

the thing abt njz is thats their main income source rn

[empty halo]

some idols dont receive royalties even if their music gets streamed lmao

[short laurel]

We don't really know their main income source. They made alot of money n had help in how to invest them. They are not in trainee debt. Yea they still need alot of money in this battle n who knows they might have good investment n not have to worry at all. Or maybe thry don't.
All i know is their situation is not best but alot better than alot of idols struggling under training debt. N njz are enjoying their life touring around n probably planning their next cb. Listening to music in streaming sites n old merch is still giving them royalties.
It's personal choice to support ador uploaded content or not. N not like royalties from that is a huge amount anyways.

[empty halo]

also im pretty sure idols make more money through sponsorships and advertising than music

[short laurel]

Yea that's main source n concerts

[short laurel]

I m just starting to find it annoying how everyone in kpop says same thing that if thry boy cott content idols will not recieve anything.

[empty halo]

yeah thats kinda bs. also often times boycotts aren't targeting idols but the companies so they in turn treat their idols better

[short laurel]

Yup. But ppl don't c it that's why it fails everytime.
Loona one succeeded cuz bbc were not paying girls at all.

[empty halo]

and orbits actually participated in boycotts and spread the message everywhere. ive seen fandoms attempt boycotts but nobody gaf like orbits did

[short laurel]

I really respect that fandom for this.

[upbeat stream]

Boycotting typically has two reasons:

1. The idol isn't getting paid so no point supporting their company
2. The company is small and dependent on the artist, so boycotting can bring about change

Neither applies to NJZ and Hybe so I'm not boycotting

I have quit kpop however, I just don't want to support this abusive industry anymore

I just deleted all my kpop playlists, won't even pirate

[loud rock]

also adding on njz re most likely recieveing some royalties bc they have writing credits on some of their songs

[upbeat stream]

Ador said at the injunction hearing that they are still paying the girls each month

And I remember looking at hybe labels' financials and ador made money this year than Source

Since both have 1 artist each, it's fair to assume that even in 2025, njz made more than le sserafim, a top group which is active

[subtle matrix]

Isn't that like all of them

[upbeat stream]

There are levels to it. Some companies have had multiple lawsuits against their idols. Others none

Starship for example has never had conflict with any of their artists

[storm warren]

and they are obligated to do so. contract states that even after termination, group gets paid from revenue their IP earns. them stating it as if they were doing some charity is hilarious

[upbeat stream]

Their biggest controversy is rigging their idols into produce groups, which if you are a starship idol, is good for you

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, sometimes I wonder how well read the judges are in contract law. I mean you would hope they are

[short laurel]

I heard about starship bg cb being full copy of sm bg. But it didn't spread cuz of newjean mhj hybe news last year

[loud rock]

starship grous is 50% chance of being in the basement

[clear hill]

Bruh who cares ab pirating games from multimillionaire companies 😭😭😭😭 anyways whethervits boycotting toxic kpop companies or gaming companies, greed is greed

[short laurel]

Pirating in gaming especially ubisoft games is fair game.

[upbeat stream]

Struggles of a mid tier company. Their promo tactics are awful. But they have never been malicious to their idols, as far as I know

[subtle matrix]

Pirate everything idc

[short laurel]

If i don't own the games i buy. Then piracy is fair game

[loud rock]

no bc ubisoft is lowkey greedy

[subtle matrix]

I don't pirate stuff anymore because I have the money and it's just easier to pay lol but a few years ago I was pirating everyyything

[storm warren]

if u base on company revenue, ador has less than source in the first half of 2025, but there is not major gap either

[short laurel]

I'll nvr forgive ubisoft for taking game out of my account.

I not played the crew in forever but it's still something i owned. N they just took it out.

[cerulean lake]

yeah unfortunately that caused the judge to believe they weren’t mistreated. it’s like getting paid cancels out every bad thing 😭😭

[storm warren]

bc almost all major disputes are financial. as long as u get paid, u gotta suck it up. 💀

[upbeat stream]

I know people often say, all companies are evil, but there are big differences. Perfect example is Cube vs Starship. Both mid tier companies, one has had zero conflicts with their idols, the other fights with literally everyone 💀

[storm warren]

ideally both parties are equal in contract but in reality they are not. they can terminate u for bullshit, but u can never do same

yet you cant even demand creative freedom and bare minimum respect

[clear hill]

I mean hell yea support small businesses 😭 but idgaf if it’s a multimillion label or the ceo is rich af

[clear hill]

Tbh it depends on your beliefs too, my political beliefs align to the left so naturally I could care less about how the rich feel

But I digress lol

[short laurel]

Bighit was small poor company according to army but founder was always from political family n studied in america

[empty jetty]

Goated alignment

[upbeat stream]

Exactly. Idk how the government doesn't see the huge imbalance in power, and even in the contract terms. They should make laws protecting idols, instead we have the ministry saying it's an equal business relationship so no protection for them

[pseudo heath]

no we are all far right here /j

[clear hill]

There’s nothing like milking off of a rags to riches story that really gets kpop fans going

[short laurel]

Cuz government is run by riches

[clear hill]

LMAOO is this a reference to that one lady making a joke💀

[upbeat stream]

Same lol I'm a leftist too. I was talking from the idol's pov. If I am gonna be in a mid tier company, I would much rather be in Starship than any other. Not taking any companies' side

[clear hill]

Oh yea ofc. I don’t know much about kpop companies tbh esp bc I’m not really someone that’s familiar w kpop

[short laurel]

Big companies bring instant fame but god treatment is horrible

[clear hill]

But I feel like chuu (correct me if the label she’s under is problematic) also made a smart move by signing to a smaller label/company. Chuu’s popularity is enough to keep her afloat but I also feel like being a popular artist signing w a record label that’s smaller can give you more room for negotiation/holding power

[pseudo heath]

No im jus far right

[empty jetty]

Chuu company is kinda bad tho

[clear hill]

But that’s if we’re talking idol povs and hypotheticals

[pseudo heath]

Which lady are u talking about though

[clear hill]

Oh!

[clear hill]

Waittt really

[empty jetty]

The good side is that she has almost full control ig, but they struggle a lot to promote her

[short laurel]

Atleast it's alot better than bbc. Chuu came a long way.

[clear hill]

Yea promotion is buns, she’s doing a lot of advertisement tho

[upbeat stream]

That you can count upon with every small or mid company

[empty jetty]

Yeah, she deserves to be happy

Seems like a genuine good person

[clear hill]

Yeah I’m so happy for chuu’s success tbh. She deserves it so much:,)

[empty jetty]

Wake1 is also cheeks from what I’ve heard, and the IZNA stuff too

[pseudo heath]

does chuu do acting now?

[upbeat stream]

I hear fromis' new company is really good. Early to say but the members themselves said the company has treated them really well

[empty jetty]

Yes!!!!

[short laurel]

Chuu do alot of things. She can do it all

[upbeat stream]

Deserved after their awful experience with hybe

[empty jetty]

Chuu can do it

[pseudo heath]

thats cool, might need to watch her kdrama if shes done one

[empty jetty]

Wrong reply

[clear hill]

I also think this could work in njz’s favor. I feel like (soemaing hypothetically) if they were to sign w a small label that would give them a huge advantage. They’re also at that point where their name alone brings them success since they are a household name

[short laurel]

Wendy in same company. Sm nvr promotes well but this company promoting wendy sooo much

[empty jetty]

She has one on streaming

"My girlfriend is the man"
If you wanna look it up

[upbeat stream]

Lol I was wondering if bbc had some past affiliation with hybe

[empty jetty]

Mb

[short laurel]

Had some political connections n military too iirc

[pseudo heath]

Bbc is so cheeks

[clear hill]

Omg this just reminds me of a dumb ass comment I saw on tt

Someone said mhj is like jaden jeong 🥀

[short laurel]

God i open twt n i m so pissed at army. Jimin can't even speak up n letting that girl be hated by his fandom.

Just say if shes his gf or ex or neither

[clear hill]

I fucking hate when orbits spread dumb shit and also fall for misinfo like it’s sooo hypocritical bc the girls would be against everything they’re standing for

[pseudo heath]

I think it was clear they were dating

[upbeat stream]

I think establishing their own label is the best option. Their focus will likely be on retaining their fanbase instead of expanding. So a small label with a distribution deal with a western label could work

[pseudo heath]

Its sad that idols can't come out about their relationships in general due to some parasocial fans

[empty jetty]

Go to Lisa label

[clear hill]

No shade but I really hope njz don’t sign to any of the BP labels/yg 💀

[upbeat stream]

Beast/Highlight did it very successfully so why can't njz? They have such a powerful team behind them and can get some investors too

[empty jetty]

That’s what I hate a lot of the environment

Why can’t ppl let their idols date? Like, why do you even care

[empty jetty]

I have no info on them, I thought those were independent

[short laurel]

When chen news came he choose his girl. Alot of other idols too but jimin just sush. Really pissing me out.
These ppl know how cyberbullying led to ppl unaliving themselves.

[clear hill]

Because kpop is reliant on fan service. It’s also a really interesting industry where parasocial behaviours are in one way encouraged

[pseudo heath]

Tough situation he either admits it and his hard-core stans will tweak or he jus let's her get hated on

He seems to have chosen the latter

[short laurel]

I m told by many old kpop fans that kpop industry relies on long distance fantasy gf bf experience type shit

[upbeat stream]

They will crash out for a while and then things will get better. He is making it worse by staying silent, letting it fester

[short laurel]

Seen idols lossing fanbase over this but still it's shows how his priority is fandom n not his gf. Just don't date if u can't protect them.

[upbeat stream]

She is getting hate comments every day

[pseudo heath]

Yeah theyre bound to forgive or forget (apart from some creeps) but instead hes jus letting her be the punching bag

[short laurel]

Chen lost fanbase but he's still going strong as idol

[upbeat stream]

Nah he will be more than fine. Normal rules don't apply to BTS, his fans aren't going anywhere. They will just hate the girl, that's it

[clear hill]

Yea I know but I just don’t want njz to be associated w bp because of their racist past. Them joining the label jisoo’s undsr would be a W tho bc the label is pro Palestine

[pseudo heath]

Its not like hes gonna drop out of bts if he does admit all that happens is media will hound him for a bit and some fans will be pissed

[pseudo heath]

are they really pro Palestine?

thats hella cool

[clear hill]

Wait hold up, maybe I’m spreading misinfo

[upbeat stream]

Suga had a huge controversy last year, many idols would've lost their fans for it, but he didn't because BTS is not other idols. That's why it's so stupid that Jimin is staying silent

[clear hill]

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.cosmopolitanme.com/celebs/jisoo-blackpink-empire-records-palestininan-label&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiKi-WD2rCPAxU_mokEHXIdFIcQFnoECBgQAg&usg=AOvVaw1Ldyyi3CBkBHbjrAc3DCCQ https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.cosmopolitanme.com/celebs/jisoo-blackpink-empire-records-palestininan-label&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiKi-WD2rCPAxU_mokEHXIdFIcQFnoECBgQAg&usg=AOvVaw1Ldyyi3CBkBHbjrAc3DCCQ

[empty jetty]

The dui one?

[upbeat stream]

I don't think people will hold njz accountable for BP's past racism. It barely seems to affect BP themselves lol

[empty jetty]

NewJeans hate is forced

[pseudo heath]

damn thats sick

[empty jetty]

They are looking for every single mistake they do for throwing hate

[upbeat stream]

Yep

[pseudo heath]

Respectable from jisoo

[empty jetty]

I find interesting that things like that ended one girl life because of the backlash and he got away like nothing

[clear hill]

Yea I guess but even by pure association. I know Jennie and the girls are all friendly w each other but I hope this doesn’t affect their future musical direction. Lmao

[pseudo heath]

they'll get a couple of tiktok comments talking about bps racist past

[empty halo]

is this real

[clear hill]

Also this is such a hybe issue bc Hybe is very selective when it comes to addressing backlash involving idols. Like the kim garam situation, they did nothing to protect her but unironically enough had this huge performative moment where they released this dramatic documentary when lsfrm were planning a comeback from a hiatus due to backlash

[short laurel]

The dui case was full of missinformation. What he did was wrong but it wasn't that bad or dangerous as media was claiming. Video was also of some other person

[clear hill]

That whole thing still rubs me the wrong way, maybe Its not a big issue but it still comes off as performative and disingenuous

[short laurel]

That gave army enough ammo to claim he did nothing

[empty jetty]

Ngl I feel like they used her for clout(they didn’t even need it)

[empty halo]

remember when they completely cut out all traces of garam from the lsrfm debut doc 😭
shes not in the group anymore and might not want footage of her face released by that company anymore but it felt so bizarre, she was completely erased

[clear hill]

Yea, I have a conspiracy theory that’s their marketing strategy for their ggs

[short laurel]

N army is a fandom who will take 1 small thing to erase entire incident to make their idols 100% pure

[upbeat stream]

Hybe's media control is unprecedented. They have dispatch in their pocket. So dispatch reports on other companies idol but never hybe idols' dating life

[clear hill]

Yes

[empty halo]

thats why shes my goat

[clear hill]

Yea that’s why jisoo is the only bp member I actually like 😭

[upbeat stream]

They even went back to re-record every song without her. Whenever a group does that, it means they want to erase that member completely from their past

[short laurel]

That documentary i didn't watch but from what I've seen from reviews, to me it seemed like hybe was not treating them well. Yet fandom praised company. It's weird

[empty halo]

I don't like it when groups do that

Idk much about gidle or soojin, but it was weird that they did it too

is it necessary? Its like rubbing it in people's faces that the member's gone

[upbeat stream]

Stray kids also did that (makes sense) but not ikon or winner since they don't have a problem with their former member

[empty jetty]

The gidle stuff feels even worse, since the girls have full control

[empty halo]

rebranded and changed their name as a group, so it'd make more sense for them to have a new fresh beginning but instead they re-did old songs? idk what the idea was here

[clear hill]

Their whole documentary strategy is so odd to me, I understand wanting to humanize their idols but it doesn’t come off as compassion and empathy, it comes off as performative and a poor attempt at sensationalizing their mental health to appeal to gen z’s mental health advocacy

[empty halo]

but this topics irrelevant bc this is an njz discussion thread

[upbeat stream]

And people are anyway going to listen to the old versions

[empty halo]

true

[clear hill]

This is why belift weaponizing the illit members’ feelings works on people lmfao, it’s so easy to appeal to emotion

[empty halo]

oh yeah it's for cash crab purposes probably
dont make a new song, re-purpose old stuff and sell it again

[pseudo heath]

yeah shes chill the others are a bit 😬

[empty jetty]

Also the promotional stuff was shady af

[empty halo]

we never saw the members of illit blame newjeans for any sort of turmoil but belift says so, and kpop companies would obviously never lie!

[opaque flicker]

theres no reason to make any comments like that ab bp here

[clear hill]

Did y’all see that clip of illit being asked by staff how this year has been for them so far

[empty jetty]

In fact, there’s no reason to say that stuff 😭

[pseudo heath]

yeah mb

[empty halo]

also can I just say that belift claims that the members asked "why's Hanni doing all this" or something like that. I don't buy it, at all. If its not coming from them, im not believing belift

[clear hill]

Is it hate to acknowledge blackpink’s racist past ?? 😭 yes it’s a joke but its not hate lmao

[pseudo heath]

ig its cause this is the newjeans updates and Discussion channel

[opaque flicker]

may I remind yall that external drama is to not be discussed

[empty halo]

it aint hate but it's irrelevant to this chat

[clear hill]

Yeah I think it’s safe to say it’s all very fabricated to fit their narrative

[clear hill]

True but we’ve also discussed a lot of things irrelevant to the newjeans situation in this chat but I digress

[short laurel]

Space mods this channel. Where the other mo d who we all hated. Kinda starting to miss him.

[empty halo]

it does usually devolve into something else lmao

[opaque flicker]

as I said before we not watching this dumbass chat 24/7 so ofc shit might slip but maybe hold yourself back from unnecessary comments and just keep it njz

[upbeat stream]

Kim Tae-ho and So Sung-jin, the two most evil CEOs at hybe, among the few who survived

[pseudo heath]

we go on tangents quite often

[clear hill]

That’s true

[upbeat stream]

Everybody else got fired lol: KOZ, Ador, Big Hit, Pledis, Hybe

The worst ones are protected

[empty halo]

there's just not a lot of material being released to discuss rn so discussions go somewhere else

or its people going in circles talking about the same things over and over again

[short laurel]

Cus to them idols are merely objects to make money, not human. Humanity is waste of resources. Gotta optimize to maximize profits

[empty jetty]

We aren’t surviving the hiatus

[clear hill]

It’s all definitely strategic... the worst ones are the most crucial to Hybe/closer to the mastermind. Just like in war the most important military officials get the most protection

[pseudo heath]

so real man but its allg only a month basically

and we are getting more updates which is nice

[upbeat stream]

I think our fanbase won't survive if njz loses on October 30. We will get decimated 😭😭

[empty halo]

bbangsaz in London

[upbeat stream]

Sorry for being pessimistic

[clear hill]

I mean unless it’s harmful/unproductive to the whole conversation I don’t see why, it is a discussion channel and unless mods don’t want us talking ab the same stuff over and over again I don’t see what’s wrong in divulging in

[short laurel]

We will be decimated. Netizens don't care they'll just accept whatever court says as truth n attack.

[empty halo]

sometimes I forget there's a chance that theyll just lose and it'll be so over for us, bc the copium is so high in this fandom

[pseudo heath]

Nuclear fallout in this server

[empty halo]

yes ofc theres no problem w it

[pseudo heath]

No joke I think people from the kpop subreddit will invade jus to rub it in

[clear hill]

If we lose I’m gonna go hide in a bunker and hide the words newjeans,njz,mhj,Hybe,ador,belift,source,illit,hanni,Danielle,Haerin,Minji,Hyein from my tt and block all kpop related stuff from my ig 💀💀💀

[short laurel]

They already doing that

[empty jetty]

I have 2 files on my desktop

One is full of memes if njz wins the case, the other is a letter

[empty halo]

ill give up on kpop (minus aespa)

[pseudo heath]

Yeah but imagine it 10x worse rn we get a few stragglers who try ragebaiting, imagine what happens when newjeans lose

[short laurel]

Honestly u shoul already block all kpop related stuff except njz

[upbeat stream]

If we lose, I am going to stick to this thread and not venture on reddit or twitter

[clear hill]

I’m gonna choose peace and my wellbeing bc I know it will be helll 💀 I’m also prepared for the worst case scenario of just full on cutting out the kpop fandom community in my life and stop listening to kpop as a whole lmfao

[pseudo heath]

twitter will actually be a warzone

[short laurel]

We dead.

God 30 sec is harsh space.

[empty jetty]

Whatever happens it will be a warzone

[empty halo]

oh i dont even wanna IMAGINE twitter on October 30th if we lose i WILL delete my account. I don't even tweet I just read tweets but I won't even be able to LOOK at that shit

[empty jetty]

I knew I wasn’t crazy when I thought that they increased the timer

[pseudo heath]

yeah but we will have the upper hand if we win, if we lose no joke people who have been defending newjeans will have to go into hiding

[clear hill]

I don’t even really pay attention to kpop to begin with so there’s nothing to block. Other than loona redebuts/occasional Aespa I don’t pay attention to kpop

[short laurel]

Nice

[empty halo]

IT USED TO BE 20. THEY REDUCED IT TO 10. ITS 30 NOW???

[pseudo heath]

Make it 20

[empty halo]

make it 15

[empty jetty]

Ik it was crazy back in the day but now that nj is on hiatus this is chill

[clear hill]

I also just keep getting skz/bgs in my algorithm bc I keep getting sent fruity tts from my fujo friends 🥀🥀 but that’s irrelevant

[empty halo]

theyre chilling idk why we're so miserable

we need to chill like the members guys. just get me tickets to london

[clear hill]

Because I think.. I miss my wife

[upbeat stream]

I remember when this thread kept getting locked due to toxic fighting. At some point, those mods got banned and the fighting somehow stopped (even though they were obviously not involved in the toxicity)

[empty halo]

what were they even fighting about? were there antis here?

[empty jetty]

We don’t talk about that incident

[pseudo heath]

you are NOT omniman

[clear hill]

The “ignore them” incident of NJZ Updates and Discussions

[empty jetty]

I stopped talking here for months when that happened

[upbeat stream]

Sometimes, but we used to be a lot less united back then. Lots of fights over mhj specifically as you can guess

[empty halo]

ohh right

[clear hill]

Sorry that wasn’t funny 💀

[empty jetty]

Those guys were kinda weird anyways, as later was known

[empty halo]

I remember there was a minor fight here but I won't elaborate bc one of the people in that fight still chats here

[pseudo heath]

who

[clear hill]

I wonder if team bunnies has a mhj part of the google docs just like they did w the ignore her incident. Would be really helpful to dispel common misinfo/disinfo

[clear hill]

I know it’s me bc this is about the cookie thing I brought up 😭

[empty halo]

If I refused to elaborate on the fight what makes you think I'm gonna take names

[short laurel]

1? Many

[upbeat stream]

We have had so many fights with an admin here but they are inactive now so it's peaceful

[pseudo heath]

Drop the reciepts 😭

[short laurel]

N i m 1 of them

[clear hill]

Just look up min heejin/grooming you’ll see it here 😭

[empty halo]

Noo it wasn't you. || It was a tokki accusing another tokki of not caring about newjeans or something ||

[short laurel]

Kinda miss him now 😅

[empty halo]

That's the most heated argument I've seen here

[short laurel]

Oo god i remember getting called anti twice by some randos who nvr talked here be4. 1 time i was genuinely confused cuz ot was out of nothing

[clear hill]

Ohhhhh, tbf someone did say this to me in chat but i wasn’t even tryna defend the antis😭 I genuinely had no idea where it came from and just wanted to clear misinfo

[pseudo heath]

Was it this month?

[empty halo]

Yess it was something like that but you weren't involved also @pseudo heath no it wasn't this month

[clear hill]

I remember it bc I was walking my dog outside and my phone kept blowing up 💀💀

[pseudo heath]

what dog do u have

[short laurel]

N another time pissed me off so bad i crashed out on that guy

[clear hill]

I’ll send a pic in general lol

[empty halo]

Sometimes I'm afraid of saying things here bc I'm scared of kpop stans in general even if they're tokkis. You never know how something can be misinterpreted

[clear hill]

Omg I also forgot this one time I brought up about how illit members look like newjeans members. I was just trying to say it felt intentional on belift’s end and a lot of ppl were coming for me lmao

[upbeat stream]

So often Namiko would say something bad about hybe or their execs and the previous mod team was so soft that they would lock the thread

[empty halo]

We got people calling bang si hyuk fat pig bongo here everyday now

[clear hill]

I call him ozempig 💀💀

[empty jetty]

I kinda miss the wallpapers of the wallpaper guy

[short laurel]

I still do. I just talk less here now

[empty jetty]

Definitely not miss him tho

[cerulean lake]

yeah saw fromis’s new yt channel yday and the company really promotes them a lot and lets them do stuff so happy for them

hopefully the company is actually good and doesn’t just look good from the outside

[waxen musk]

Are they free from Hybe?

[cerulean lake]

i said bsh looked like a blubber fish and i got a timeout 🫩

i don’t like shaming peoples looks but idc for bsh bc he’s a terrible person

[cerulean lake]

i believe so. they’re no longer w/ hybe and they were able to get their og name even tho some members left

[waxen musk]

Had no idea. Very cool.

[empty jetty]

Some people deserve it

[waxen musk]

Can his summoning happen on the weekend or should I give up hope?

[cerulean lake]

yup. he’s probably shaming looks of the trainees and other idols and he should not be one to speak 🤨

[cerulean lake]

is his summoning only expected to happen in august? like if it’s september, then we can’t expect him to be summoned anymore?

[waxen musk]

Nah there were just articles saying maybe this week, which then Mino on Twitter based their expectations on. If not this month, then next is almost certain.

If it doesn't happen at all then I don't know what the hell is going on.

[red thorn]

The sm and 15 years is the kakao founder prosecution, alleged sm stock manipulation

[waxen musk]

Ah ok. Well maybe BSH's crimes could be seen as worse than even that.

I don't like repeating what I quickly skimmed past on Twitter because I don't know what's going on. So don't base your expectations on that.

[cerulean lake]

hope he does get summoned. seems like he gets away with everything he does

[midnight yarrow]

Well the prosecution is seeking 15 years prison time for the Kaokao CEO for stock price manipulation. BSH's crime and its scale are even worse. I'm hopeful they won't seek a slap on the wrist for him

[red thorn]

Bad blood between an IT company and a wannabe IT company

[clear hill]

Let’s not forget he didn’t want Dani to debut because of her looks.

[empty jetty]

I can’t believe someone would think that about Dani…..

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1961061354749706545?t=Weif0kWoI_RiuIhjxBb6EA&s=33 -c

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

So, theres a slight confusion regarding this.

Yes - this motion allows MHJ to testify directly so that her statements can be used as evidence at trial.. BUT it can also be used to summon the head representative of the other party, in this case, HYBEs CEO, Lee Jae-sang.. to

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[harsh dove]

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[pseudo heath]

Dani btw