NJZ Updates and Discussion

[empty halo]

maybe their fandoms gonna be named cortisols

the first sentence about bunnies gloating is obviously the OP but the rest does reek of AI

[old cypress]

no it's like they write a quick message and run it through gpt for formatting/rewording. "please make me sound smart and fix typos" type shit

[rugged dagger]

there's a couple of grammatical errors that make me think this isnt ai

i didn't think it was even before noticing them

[short laurel]

Ai too makes grammar mistakes.

U can actually make ai write things in way u want so others reading it won't detect ai.
Some long sentences though.

[ashen charm]

i stan all kinds of groups im here for the artist i can give 2 fs about the damn company if it were up to me id get all of them out of hybe

[cerulean lake]

yes there are a lot of songs i liked but now, i always link them to hybe and makes me wanna not listen anymore

i stopped listening to kpop overall for like a few months after the injunction but it’s like slowly there now

[upbeat stream]

?

[ashen charm]

just ignore it

[hollow sorrel]

I already feel kinda bad for katseye cause they are having a successful year but their company is already trying to make another global group

it would also be between hybe and geffen probably and Scooter Braun is their CEO who is notorious for scamming artists

[ashen charm]

thing is kpop even global isnt that big in america to wander another group like the latin global group legit no one has even brought it up because theres already a market for Latin music

a main reason why bp or twice can sell out big stadiums

[loud rock]

tbh hybe usually hops on stuff until they oversatuarete it and it dies out
and also im pretty sure scooter stepped down as ceo

[shut kelp]

any update with the girls and the court case?

[storm warren]

sept 11 2nd mediation session. nothing else

[waxen musk]

Sources say Police will summon BSH within this month.
https://t.co/QFqhiAgiMZ

The month ends at the end of next week.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/hahagatung/status/1958197690820665769

할말 (@hahagatung)

ENG ) #PleaseReadThis

1. The Korea Music Content Association (KMCA), which operates the Circle Chart, established Live Music as its own in-house venture.

2. The CEO of Live Music is Kwang-ho Choi, who is also serving simultaneously as the Secretary-General of the KMCA.

3. HYBE

X · Aug 20, 2025, 4:01 PM

[loud rock]

thats good

[heady gate]

10 more days

[cinder narwhal]

until?

[heady gate]

10 more days until the end of this month.

[cinder narwhal]

😭

[heady gate]

August 22 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music

[clear hill]

HANNI UPDATE WE GOT A HANNI UPDATE YALL

This was 2 months ago tho but glad to see my girl is well and thriving!🥺🥺 my shaylaaa!

[ashen charm]

Hanni rocking the

[lucid yarrow]

r kpop still out of thier minds what does Hybe tax evasion thing have do with NJ lol....

[short laurel]

MHJ's shaman cursed hybe.

MHJ's shaman went back in time and manipulated hybe to do tax evasion and frauds. that's why hybe is in shithole now.

[mild mist]

Everything is the fault of Emmanuel Goldstein min heejin

[short laurel]

Do young ppl know who Emmanuel Goldstein is. 😂

[mild mist]

I hope so

[tawdry vessel]

i have no idea who that is and pls dont tell me

[torn idol]

i miss newjeans

[cinder narwhal]

nugu

[torn idol]

all the members

especially hanni

[copper jetty]

i don't and i'm not young

maybe context here is regional?

[pseudo heath]

ive heard of the book hes from but never read it

I read animal farm if it counts 🫠

[copper jetty]

same.

[short laurel]

It's from old english novel

It's a novel about dystopian society. Which is becoming a reality.

[short laurel]

Tbh I've not read it either but heard about it alot.

[ornate zephyr]

don’t forget that it wasn’t just dismissal

the court didn’t even consider the case to begin with and dismissed it 🤣

[short laurel]

the police and prosecutors dismissed it. it didn't even reach court.

[copper jetty]

Mhj vs SouMu tomorrow guys.

Hopefully I don't wake up later to news again that it's delayed.

[mossy stag]

MHj for the win

[feral tapir]

you are what you wear fr fr

[copper jetty]

Maybe she just likes dogs...

A lot.

[feral tapir]

[copper jetty]

I like wearing freiren shirts.
Doesn't mean I'm freiren...

[feral tapir]

who knows

[heady gate]

狗. Yes, it is the correct Chinese character

[waxen musk]

She wouldn't be the only one under Hybe who likes dogs a bit too much.

Speaking of people who like dogs, I saw Chaewon give a speech thanking reporters for giving Le Sserafim a lot of love, and to " please continue to write good articles about all K-pop artists in the future as well".

No idea on the context, but obviously I took note of it considering how reporters handle writing about NewJeans.

By the way it should be easy to find the time for MHJ's hearing against Source tomorrow. But I can't find it.

[raven kelp]

sarcasm?

hopefully

[copper jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/lolol-lmao-gif-22173456

[copper jetty]

Let's see if it gets announced that it's delayed...
Again.

[waxen musk]

If it doesn't get delayed, I believe we will finally get an answer on if those KKT messages can be legally used as evidence or not.

I am curious if any wins are had in the courts any time soon how the media handles it. I also wonder if the courts can be seen as making sensible decisions or if they start to put dread into my future expectations by behaving similar to the injunction judges.

[torn idol]

i need newjeans back 🙁

[waxen musk]

Other than that, the hearing itself isn't that interesting to me.

[torn idol]

i want new music

[pseudo heath]

😭 😭

[torn idol]

i been listen to the same thing for the past year

[waxen musk]

I'm surprised by how satisfied I can be by listening to the same 16 songs every day, but yes we all want more.

[torn idol]

idc about the drama i just want them back

[waxen musk]

You're not the only one.

If you don't care about the drama, not sure why you're here. Probably best to stay ignorant.

Just know that if things go our way, October 30 is probably the soonest we'll hear from them again.

[torn idol]

just stay updated so i can get my hope up they they will be back sooner

[torn idol]

lets gooo

[waxen musk]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[torn idol]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[waxen musk]

(Could be sooner but I won't get your hopes up for that.)

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/Expatriarch_uk/status/1958555809845031303?t=_tieRi7x4EEJxGhPnr42CQ&s=19 -c

Expatriarch (@Expatriarch_uk)

Newly unsealed documents confirm Justin Baldoni's PR crisis team, TAG, were sending material to content creators, including Andy Signore, Perez Hilton and Jessica Reed Kraus (HouseInhabit).

So much for "just responding to requests for comment"🙄

Link:
https://t.co/y0Ir5kOH58

X · Aug 21, 2025, 3:44 PM

Explains the surge of YouTube and tiktok bad content for newjeans too.

[waxen musk]

I hope one day we can see the same evidence revealed related to NewJeans. It's the only way people who are totally against them now can possibly change their mind, I think.

I don't know if after the girls win they'd want to go up against Hybe yet again for damages. But lets take things one step at a time lol.

[copper jetty]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[torn idol]

ngl

god on our side this time i please

amen

[copper jetty]

Amen.

GodJeanz fr fr.

[waxen musk]

I thought that was Ganondorf from The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker!

[copper jetty]

Oh no bro. That's the nazarene. My parents brought it and just placed it on top of my nwjs funko pop.

[waxen musk]

Sorry lol

[copper jetty]

Lmao it's ok. I'm not religious.

But for newjeans I'll pray.

[frozen granite]

Today!!!

[torn idol]

what happened if MHJ win?

[hollow sorrel]

it's a defamation lawsuit so she only gets financial compensation I believe

[torn idol]

oki

[heady gate]

MHJ vs Source Music case has been delayed 3 times this year.

[grizzled summit]

Again.?

[waxen musk]

So far.

[empty halo]

[waxen musk]

• March 14 – MHJ's 2nd hearing against Source Music. DELAYED to May 30
• May 30 – MHJ's 2nd hearing against Source Music
• June 27 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music DELAYED to July 18
• July 18 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music DELAYED to August 22
• August 22 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music

[empty halo]

I thought the hearing today was delayed after reading this lmao

[waxen musk]

By the way, why has an old article been pinned to the top today?

[waxen musk]

According to the omniscient Mino, it's probably impossible in Korea.

[torn idol]

my hope go down

[copper jetty]

Guys... I've been thinking this past few days... idk if it's coincidences but almost all the interactions our girls have had this year has been with yg artists...

They attended Jennie's concert, been with CL and Minzy, attended 2ne1 concert, also Jinu Sean is from YG (wife is also affiliated with YG acting), Bogum is under Black Label (YG affiliate).

Idk but could it be that if the girls win and transferred to another company, YG is one of the options? It's one of the biggest entertainment companies in Korea.

[pseudo heath]

Is YG a good company?

[copper jetty]

Honestly, idk... I've heard of blackpink's songs but never got into them (nwjs is my first kpop group) so idk about that company.

[mild mist]

no

[pseudo heath]

cooked

[pseudo heath]

Why what they do

[mild mist]

tried to cover up burning sun for a start

[torn idol]

its like 50/50

not all companies are always good

[copper jetty]

Dang... I almost forgot that big bang is under YG and that happened.

[short laurel]

Remember yg's love story be4 u even consider the company made by him a good company.
He's still it's chairman in strong position n i consider him worse than bang

[pseudo heath]

yeah nvm hope newjeans dont join them

[honest sky]

No companies r truly good

[midnight yarrow]

Hell no

[pseudo heath]

yeah i figured as soon as someone mentioned burning sun 😭😭

[midnight yarrow]

THEBLACKLABEL would be more acceptable than YG

It's what OG ADOR should have become without fragile egos ruining everything

[cinder narwhal]

tbl would be cool. i like some members of meovv and adp and would be nice if all groups i like are in one company hehe

[feral tapir]

seems like no company is actually good anyway

[clear hill]

Can u send the link?

[clear hill]

We are DOOMED if that happens 😭😭😭😭😭😭

[bronze talon]

said this 3 days ago lol 💀

[waxen musk]

It was a speech during the KWDA, just search for it anywhere

[frozen granite]

At what time is the hearing today?

[waxen musk]

If anyone can find out, I'll add it to the schedule

[waxen musk]

Not best source but here: https://x.com/agicheetah/status/1958507799996141686

지오 (@agicheetah)

🐯: we know all the reporters must be working so hard to cover everything. thank you so much for giving le sserafim a lot of love

🐯: please continue to write many good articles about all k-pop artists in the future as well

our leader chaewon 🥹
#LESSERAFIMatKWDA
#LE_SSERAFIM

X · Aug 21, 2025, 12:33 PM

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/hahagatung/status/1958516015438143837

할말 (@hahagatung)

ENG ) The following report conveys expert assessments that Bang Si-hyuk faces allegations of breaching his fiduciary duty to shareholders and engaging in fraudulent transactions, with a strong likelihood of legal liability being established.

Professor Lee Sang-hoon (Kyungpook

X · Aug 21, 2025, 1:06 PM

[torn idol]

LOL

[clear hill]

What an odd thing to say but I digress

[copper jetty]

Also when she says "cover", I wonder what context though? Like cover as in = veil /hide/ not cover scandals like the IPO

Or cover as in media coverage?

Like what does it mean??

[waxen musk]

Coverage, for sure. What's your first language?

Hard to cover = difficult to report on everything equally

You're thinking too hard about it. She's just generally saying reporters do hard work, it's not a deep speech lol.

[red thorn]

The reporters: ||"not that hard, I did like instructed"||

[waxen musk]

Yeah it's hard to cover things that Hybe is paying you not to report on.

Or modify articles. Or even totally delete them.

[red thorn]

Funni edit
||https://fxtwitter.com/bborbnz/status/1958077941297905849||

bbor (@bborbnz)

**💬 2 🔁 40 ❤️ 250 👁️ 5.7K **

FxTwitter · Aug 20, 2025, 8:05 AM

[waxen musk]

soon

[waxen musk]

Apparently the hearing for MHJ vs Source started at 11:20 AM KST (nearly 40 minutes ago).

[mossy stag]

How is it

[waxen musk]

No clue mate

[frozen granite]

We are praying 🙏🏻

[empty jetty]

is the new ador ceo good or not

ik shes a downgrade from mhj but idk

[waxen musk]

not

[clear hill]

She’s the same lady who said that she doesn’t have plans for newjeans and this work is too much for her so idk, you decide 😭

[heady gate]

Since Ador already removed NJ from their site, it is ok that the CEO doesn't have plans for them.

I guess she is going to focus on their future groups

[waxen musk]

Can’t wait for Ador’s new boy group NewJeans.

[heady gate]

maybe they might use the ugly bunny as their logo.

[frozen granite]

Omg the wig …

[raven kelp]

still no updates? damm

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1958741247239364731

. (@TokkiLoops)

Min Heejin vs Source Music

-The court admitted Min’s KakaoTalk messages as evidence. The court explained, “If there were circumstances equivalent to a violation of the Protection of Communications Secrets Act, the evidence could be inadmissible. But given that the staff member

X · Aug 22, 2025, 4:01 AM

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1958741361559314586

. (@TokkiLoops)

MHJ vs Source Music

-November 7 at 4:30 p.m

X · Aug 22, 2025, 4:01 AM

[heady gate]

hold on. "The court admitted Min’s KakaoTalk messages as evidence" this is nice

[waxen musk]

nice?

Schedule updated.

[frozen granite]

So another loss? 🫩

[waxen musk]

Only in so far as MHJ's fight to have the KKT messages not be deemed legally used as evidence has failed. But other than that, I don't think anything else has been reported so far so we'll have to wait until November.

I think that's all today was used for, to determine that. lol

[heady gate]

MHJ remains busy in the next 2 months

[raven kelp]

so they're going to hold a press conference with the kkt msg?

[waxen musk]

Are you being sarcastic?

[stable sparrow]

i thought they said before that the kkt messages wasn't evidence?

[raven kelp]

what? no 😭

[waxen musk]

Maybe read it again.

[raven kelp]

maybe i should read this again

[waxen musk]

That's what this hearing was held to determine. We didn't know if it would be allowed to be used as evidence for months, until today, where the court said it can be used as evidence.

[frozen granite]

Can someone please explain how the kkt can weaken mhj’s case? There’s a it of kkt messages it’s hard to keep up for me

[raven kelp]

what was this lawsuit even for?

[waxen musk]

"But the court dismissed the claim, stating that it could not decide on non-disclosure without even knowing the details of the arguments."
We won't know if it can weaken MHJ's case or not until the next hearing, I think.

[cinder narwhal]

why is it nice

[frozen granite]

Ah ok

[waxen musk]

But clearly MHJ wanting to have it not be part of evidence is obviously strategically to her advantage, which she has now lost.

It might not even matter, who knows. That's a November discussion lol.

[heady gate]

By that time, BSH should be in jail

[waxen musk]

Source Music asking for defamation damages against MHJ for putting their artists under stress or something I dunno. I need to find something more specific/accurate.

[cinder narwhal]

yeah her side does not want it admitted as evidence... mcrich confirmed hybe sleeper agent

[raven kelp]

mcrich made a slip

[frozen granite]

I’m not very superstitious, but I remember last year everyone was on NJZ’s side, this year the scale shifted, maybe after October, it will be back on the girls’ side

[raven kelp]

are these like never seen before kkt messages?

[waxen musk]

Anyway as always, media only reports on a tiny part of the story. I said this is all we know from the hearing today but if other things were discussed, we probably won't know. MHJ's side sure ain't gonna bother putting out a press release, they never do.

[red thorn]

TVdaily huh

[waxen musk]

Some commentary from your regular yappers:
https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1958749159630282910

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

don't give a fuck about defamation lawsuits cause in korea everyone wins those but these are the official reasons that Source had problems with against MHJ and why the kakaotalks don't matter and is just being used as a character assassination attempt

1. That she personally cast

X · Aug 22, 2025, 4:32 AM

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1958749254270558622

1tokki (@juantokki)

There is a difference between using Kakaotalk messages of someone else that were obtained illegally as evidence in court and presenting your own Kakaotalk messages between you and other people in your own press conference. And the admissibility of these chat logs being argued on

X · Aug 22, 2025, 4:33 AM

[short laurel]

At this point i c these guys as trying to spin everything in positive way. I can't really trust them

[short laurel]

I m confused about why staff gave their password

[waxen musk]

I wouldn't really say either of the commentary posts above are spinning anything positive, just explaining how defamation lawsuits are often won in Korea regardless of if it makes sense to non-Korean understanding, to me that sounds negative and defeatist, like MHJ is likely to lose. And explaining yet again why the decision to admit this as evidence is totally backwards isn't really spinning things positive. However, overall I do agree, with at least 1tokki especially, they maybe do spin things positively a lot of the time.

Anyway I assume MHJ will maybe have to provide full context of her messages rather than have the judge rely on what Source believes are damaging messages. But if the case simply comes down to those messages alone for Source to win, that's just so dumb. But again we don't know much yet. November it is.

[waxen musk]

It's not always the case but the pressure your employer has to make it seem like you have to obey them or you'll be in serious trouble is strong enough to convince people to do things they don't want.

I don't know, I don't know all the details.

[short laurel]

i mean the way they are saying that even if court consider them as evidence, it doesn't matter. it is spinning todays result in "positive way"

[waxen musk]

Well it matters for this case specifically. But overall, does it matter other than MHJ losing some money? Not really. There are bigger things to worry about like they say themselves: BSH's upcoming troubles and NJZ's situation.

I did forget how Mino was being super optimistic the other day, too. lol so you're def right about them being overly positive.

[short laurel]

the issue is if court can somehow make the private chat msges as evidence, then we don't know what kind of thing they'll pull. and that can be dangerous.

[dense kettle]

why cant newjeans just come back I honestly feel like haerin and hyein didnt even wanna leave hybe

[short laurel]

yum, they should go back to the company which obviously doing hate train mediaplay against girls.

[waxen musk]

I'm just gonna ignore you and continue with discussion with Namiko.

[short laurel]

i should've ignored them too...

[dense kettle]

im not saying i support hybe

im saying hyein and haerin didnt even wanna leave

[waxen musk]

With full context, I don't know how worried we should be. You really think MHJ has said things, with full context, are actually bad bad?

Everything we've seen so far that's been somewhat "damaging" has ALWAYS been out of context. So far...

[short laurel]

and where do u even get that?

[dense kettle]

didnt mhj get like exposed for being a pedo

[red thorn]

Here we go again

[dense kettle]

they never came out with there statement

[waxen musk]

I said I'm ignoring, everyone please try to too.

There's a main topic to discuss right now relevant to today.

[short laurel]

not saying anything does't mean that they don't want to leave.

sorry. i'll start ignoring.

[dense kettle]

also isnt there like vids ador released of minors twerking im pretty sure mhj and something to do with that because it was the newjeans members when they were minors. Ive also heard mhj has told minji since not pretty anymore since shes not a minor anymore

[waxen musk]

Tbh MHJ feels like she's giving off cocky, relaxed, unbothered vibes. So maybe the messages don't matter. Just disadvantageous to defamation lawsuits in particular.

Too much to speculate. We really don't know anything yet. This lawsuit is progressing SLOWLY.

But with it progressing in November, it'll be well past any NJZ related results so it won't even affect any of that stuff, luckily. Not that I think it would even if it wasn't.

Anyway remember SLAPP.
And remember media's inability to report on the full situation.

Not much else to say today unless more reports come out.

Anyway Marquise everything you've said is wrong and we've debunked and discussed these topics a million times in the past. I hope you can understand how it can be exhausing to rehash the same thing just to make sure one person (you) understands things properly. And we don't know if you're a troll or not, something we've experienced plenty of times before. Only reason to ignore you right now is cos there is breaking news that we were in the middle of discussion. So sorry about that!

[frozen granite]

I’m not sure if you’re being sarcastic or this is rage bait, but in the event you’re not, these have been exposed as fake. I’d suggest you asking someone else. I would, but I’m busy at the moment 🫩

[stable sparrow]

didn't source music release that vid

[upbeat stream]

Where did you get this from?

Of all the bullshit lies spread about this situation, nothing pisses me off more than this one

I would rather you call them mean or ungrateful or whatever else hybe stans call them

[feral tapir]

isnt yg that one company who let their staff die or smth or am i mixing it up with another one

[cerulean lake]

did u read reddit or smth

[feral tapir]

excuse me

have you even seen hyein in the last lives

[cerulean lake]

lowkey confused as to why private kakaotalks would even be used for evidence of defamation if she’s talking privately unless the text revealed she wanted to brew smth evil against them 😭 (i hope not)

i can understand it being defamation if she posted or said smth bad about them online/in person but oh well

[cinder narwhal]

peak bait lol

[cerulean lake]

only heard abt a hybe employee passing away bc of overwork

[feral tapir]

nevermind it was hybe

[feral tapir]

yeah i mixed it up

[red thorn]

Don't know yet for what argument the chat gonna used for

[hollow sorrel]

it’s to prove that she acted in bad faith

[cerulean lake]

i swear everyone sues for defamation in korea and yet people still continue to defame people like crazy there by mediaplay

[feral tapir]

i think that's stupid bc everyone has said questionable things in private conversations including us and we'd also be cooked if they were revealed so it doesnt make sense to me

[hollow sorrel]

yeah it doesn’t make sense but that’s just how defamation works.

Not sure if she will win this one but it’s only financial compensation so I don’t think we should worry about it too much.

• She could lose the defamation lawsuit but her claims could still be the truth (about Le Sserafim and NewJeans debut timeline)

[cerulean lake]

yeah i heard that in korea you can still lose a defamation lawsuit even if you just spoke facts

[feral tapir]

man why are rich people evil

[feral tapir]

justice be like

[waxen musk]

Weird thing is both Source and MHJ could sue for defamation for each other and technically both win. That’s just how Korea goes.

[red thorn]

It seems to me that the source's goal to present it is for public opinion, don't matter about the relevancy to the case

[feral tapir]

justice is anything but justice

[storm warren]

1. its about what she said in press con about debut process and her convo in kkt chats. they want to use it to say she delayed it and she didnt pick members etc
2. its about intent as well, there are already leaked kkt chats about it.

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1958747501848404067

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy)

The main difference is, MHJ revealed Kakao Talk messages that she herself is a party of, while Hybe keeps on bringing up messages of other people, without consent from either of the parties involved.

Tell me how this is not a violation of privacy.

X · Aug 22, 2025, 4:26 AM

[feral tapir]

hybe doing illegal things as always

[cerulean lake]

agree. if MHJ loses, the mediaplay gonna go crazy and those people are gonna be claiming that it proves she was trying to talk trash abt LSF even tho she didn’t from what i see so far 😭

[feral tapir]

people don't want to sit there and think wether it's true or not, they just wanna hate every time they get the occasion to

just bc njz is not their fav

[cerulean lake]

yea you can see that mentality with people interacting w/ accs like sniper

[feral tapir]

and that's a high level of brainrot

[feral tapir]

yup

i mean yeah just go on twitter and u'll find all the trash humans with no social life or purpose hating on everything aggressively

like bru go out touch some grass

[cerulean lake]

actually amazes me what some people can say online without feeling guilty

like the whole anonymity of social media evokes the worst out of people fr

[feral tapir]

literally, the most recent thing i've seen was that big hate train for chaewon bc of how her dog licked her mouth like i get it it's lowkey disgusting to people, but bro like it's not that serious, and then they try to spread misinformation about other groups just to "defend" themselves like bro

social media has ruined them

brain rotting ahh

[cerulean lake]

oh yeah where did that even come from 😭 all i see is discussion of dogs licking their owners’ mouth but i have yet to see any vid yet

[feral tapir]

oh i've seen many of them but as i said it's not that serious, and it doesnt even affect people personally so i dont even get why they care instead if minding their own business

then the misinformation bc they felt attacked💀

https://x.com/aeridactyll/status/1958326917582803006?s=46

」🚧 (@aeridactyll)

Giselle don’t go around french kissing her dog unlike chaewon who’s letting that dog tongue inside her mouth very happily

X · Aug 21, 2025, 12:34 AM

[cerulean lake]

in kpop people start fanwars over anything

[feral tapir]

but anyway im off topic rn but my point is people are fucking stupid and dont have the ability to think

[feral tapir]

literally, at some point it would be like "omg have you seen that? she BREATHED how disgusting"

same energy

[hollow sorrel]

a different perspective from a ktokki

[cerulean lake]

man i don’t think i like these judges 🤨

[upbeat stream]

As far as I'm aware, illegally collected info is allowed to be presented in civil court on judges' discretion

In criminal cases, it's not admissible at all

[cerulean lake]

yet saw the vid 😖 it’s def out there and strange but i wouldn’t be writing a whole hate piece just bc of that. people be too aggressive 😭

[feral tapir]

yeah i think it's kinda weird to do but it's none of our business what she does with her dog 😭

[cinder narwhal]

eli5

[red thorn]

Win some lose some situation

[hollow sorrel]

so basically this soumu vs mhj case has been delayed by soumu 3 times which signals that they probably dont have any strong legal arguments

now that HYBE and Bang Si hyuk’s wrongdoings are beingn exposed in the media every day this tokki (and many other) are saying that they pushed through with this hearing because they wanted to put together a bunch of mhj’s kkt messages to paint a new narrative to make the media talk about her again (similar to last april)

however the judge allowed the messages but denied them to be presented in the court room

[cinder narwhal]

so kkt are ok in case but can't be released publicly?

[hollow sorrel]

yeah

[red thorn]

Huh isn't court basically ruled not on public PT bur public oral ok

[hollow sorrel]

I think so but that only takes place on november 7 until which multiple things will wrap up like Bang Si hyuk’s investigation and NJZ’s case

[cinder narwhal]

so the only person STILL at risk of going to jail is bang

not mhj not newjeans

[red thorn]

Regarding the kkt chat logs, since it's public trial, if opponent read the contents of the kkt chat in oral arguments it still potentially as damaging as PT, that's the sejong's argued

[short laurel]

1 time was by MHJ

[short laurel]

well those 2 are in civil case so there was never a risk of jail

[zealous helm]

if mhj loses she will probably just get fined

[storm warren]

its 500m won lawsuit

[mild mist]

Try explaining that to reddit

[short laurel]

Those guys need special help. I m not dealing with that

[ashen charm]

she got money and the lawsuit with belift shell win it back

[hollow sorrel]

https://www.lawtimes.co.kr/news/210733

[zealous helm]

are belift also allowed to use kkt in their case

[storm warren]

not yet but probably

[mild mist]

So the way I read that is if he's found guilty of crimes then it could be viewed as a sort of dereliction of duty and then shareholders could remove him?

[mossy stag]

@short laurel u got me how was the mhj thing today

[old cypress]

what's a pt

[grizzled summit]

Pending trial

Or public testimony or presentation

It is a court order to bring a person who is currently in one case to the court proceedings in another case

I don't know

[red thorn]

It seems in that ktokki tweet means presentation

[frozen granite]

https://x.com/a_maizingblue/status/1958782124263449087?s=12

AmaizingBlue (@A_MaizingBlue)

I really don’t think MHJ will be the girls ceo again even if they settle or win the main verdict. Looking back at some of the things she’s said and the likelihood of the girls signing w/ an already established label I think she’ll take a supportive/creative background position

X · Aug 22, 2025, 6:43 AM

sigh

[bronze talon]

never change a running system

[clear hill]

Someone translate this

[zealous helm]

im asking someone

[frozen granite]

“Things like medicine, law, economics, and technology are necessary to sustain life.

But poetry, beauty, romance, and love — those are the purpose of life.”

That’s what it said on ChatGPT

[zealous helm]

mhj acting like drake with all these mysterious posts

[empty halo]

it's a quote from the film dead poets society, a pretty popular one

[clear hill]

She got us acting like Taylor swift fans omfg 💔🥀

[clear hill]

It’s not like I’m gonna know an exact quote from a specific frame from a movie I watched years ago lol

Min yves-Jin

[zealous helm]

my friend said "It says poem, love is the key of life"

[empty halo]

i never said i expect anyone to know/remember it 🥹

[feral tapir]

thas mhj??

[clear hill]

Nooo lmaoo it’s yves, just an old throwback photo of her that reminded me of mhj 😭

[feral tapir]

oh😭😭

[clear hill]

Oki I’m sorry ur right

[waxen musk]

I don't sense MHJ has lost her creative desire or will to fight, obviously. But I really do wonder what she's been cooking up in that mind of hers. She must have a lot to say through her future art.

I even think the girls will probably have a lot of desire to express themselves through their future art, too. I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Hanni has written lots more songs for herself.

[empty jetty]

They might even have stuff ready to release idk

[waxen musk]

Them being so quiet and barely being seen for the past month or two (except Dani lol), where before they were seen travelling makes people imagine all sorts of things.

I used to say I expect maybe their plans for at least Pit Stop get resumed. But maybe even that has some reconsiderations in strategy.

People like to imagine they have been working in the background, maybe at a slow pace. But the uncertainty that it might never see the light of day is why I shy away from having even those expectations.

[empty jetty]

I mean they said they had stuff ready prior to pit stop

So it’s very likely that they have a mini album almost ready(if it’s scrapped then sadge)

[rugged dagger]

fortnite collab still happening

[native anchor]

yep

[rugged dagger]

[native anchor]

u jus gotta believe

[empty jetty]

While I like the idea of the Fortnite collab and I would love it, it was confirmed by leakers that it wasn’t real

[native anchor]

it will happen

[native anchor]

nope

one of them said that they are not sure if its true or not

they never said it was 100 percent fake

[tawdry vessel]

@old cypress request era nj pitstop stage cards

[tawdry vessel]

[clear hill]

IT WAS REAL TO ME

[empty jetty]

I was hyped af too

[pseudo heath]

Its coming bro trust me

You gotta manifest

[clear hill]

Not trying to be delulu (ok I’m being full on delulu) but the fact that magnetic got an emote after ppl got hyped about a newjeans x fortnite collab just feels like someone pulled some strings behind the scenes and rubbed salt in the wounds of a hypothetical fortnite collab 😭bc let’s be fr, if it were gonna be any Hybe group w a fortnite collab it would’ve been newjeans

[native anchor]

thats fake

[hushed whale]

the original leaker said miku replaced newjeans and they was right about miku tho
so i think they prob did have plan for newjeans collab

[native anchor]

all the main leakers like shina hypezx and jorgemoist

announced the collab

and even said afterwards

[empty jetty]

Jorgemoist isn’t trustworthy

[native anchor]

what

[empty jetty]

He steals from spush mainly, he doesn’t have sources

[native anchor]

who is spush

[empty jetty]

A guy that actually has sources from employees

[clear hill]

Other than lesserafim imo bc they already have a solid fan base that overlaps w fortnite players, so does newjeans so it just makes the most sense. A westernized pubg that is notable for its pop culture emotes, it would’ve been newjeans like cmon😭

[native anchor]

how would u know if people dont have sources

[empty jetty]

Because they have seen Jorge steal Spush tweets word for word multiple times

Anyways I’m not here to discuss Fortnite leakers lmao

[native anchor]

well even if u dont trust him

hypex and shina announced it too

[old cypress]

lmao

[clear hill]

Maybe jorge just heard through the grapevines of a collab with someone from Asia with a cult following and since newjeans were in their prime during that time it would make sense to think that

[empty jetty]

NewJeans haven reached their prime

[pseudo heath]

Newjeans are always in their prime

[waxen musk]

Almost all those Fortnite leaks came from a trusted leaker alongside other leaks that all came true except for NewJeans. I always believed them.
Also wasn't there some teaser for the next season of Fortnite at the time where there were hints of what's coming next and there was a very tiny Murakami-NewJeans flower? I can't find it now.

[native anchor]

that murakami flower was from juice world

since murakami designed his album cover too

but yeah its weird for all leaks to be true but not the njs one

[clear hill]

Ur right but their get up era was their prime for sure 😭😭 they were just dominating the industry in 2023 and to think they haven’t even reached their potential

[waxen musk]

They seemed so excited at the time.

[cerulean lake]

omg really set them up popularity wise for 2023

[zealous helm]

major comeback otw

[clear hill]

I know the leaks were from the omg era but I would’ve loved to see the power puff girls outfits in fortnite

Hanni in the powerpuff girls outfit looked sooo cartoony, I loved it sm omfg

[pseudo heath]

if they did drop them in fortnite would all the skins be in the music pass or jus one and the rest would be in the shop

[short laurel]

yea this is most likely. with girls leaving hybe, it was not possible to do that well.

[native anchor]

Well depends

Metallica had a shop version and a pass version

So there could be 2 styles

Which they implement into the game

[empty jetty]

That flower was juice wrld's one

[native anchor]

Just like they did with every artist tbh

[short laurel]

they sometimes even add something in free tier, like binkybong could've been that

[pseudo heath]

But since there's 5 members would all 5 members be in the pass? Or just one

[clear hill]

Tbh I feel like unc bc I haven’t played since season 7 and idk what all these new updates mean but it would’ve been nice to see a tokki in hanni powerpuff girl skin just taking out players left to right lol

[pseudo heath]

Binky bong pickaxe and hanni unicorn glider LMFAO

[native anchor]

It's not his flower it's because Murakami worked on the cover art of his album

[native anchor]

All Metallica members were in pass

[short laurel]

no chance in pass. it would probably be in shop. as a set maybe.

[native anchor]

And a different version in shop

[pseudo heath]

Ohh I see

[native anchor]

So yeah

They would fit all in the pass

Especially since the festival pass is larger now

[pseudo heath]

I dont really like cell shaded skins so if they do drop two styles I would rather they drop the normal ones in the pass

[native anchor]

U can always turn off cell shade

In edit styles

[pseudo heath]

How much is pass 1500?

[native anchor]

I think

[empty jetty]

Buy the crew

[native anchor]

True

[pseudo heath]

I dotn wanna spend money id rather jus use what I got i have like 1200 saved or smth

But crew is worth it

[clear hill]

This is making my creative juices flow bc their powerpuff girls collab/magical girls concepts make me want to illustrate them in soul eater style. Haerin as a weapon, Dani as a meister, it’s too cute not to materialize it lol

[empty jetty]

Oh if you have saved its better

[short laurel]

i was hoping for burnice skin. would've been nice edition to my rabbit suit collaction in that game.

[empty jetty]

Idk I use the squid games skin and pretend it’s Minji

[pseudo heath]

Yeah but it would probably be better to get crew since I could also buy emotes if theyre in the normal shop

[short laurel]

though they woud've made burnice a bagpack

[pseudo heath]

Backbling 🤑

[empty jetty]

Seeing that Bernice stayed at ador I would rather see that bunny become a pickaxe

[short laurel]

been too long since i played that game.

[short laurel]

bernice a traitor so it's burnice now

[waxen musk]

I do think having a PUBG collab and a Fortnite collab is just so unheard of (has it happened before?) that this fact alone made people suspicious of the rumour back then.

[native anchor]

And the LoL one

Tho that was only a song

[short laurel]

why ? both wildly diff game than their initial ver.

[empty jetty]

Aespa has appeared on both games, right?

[waxen musk]

Have they?

[empty jetty]

They have an emote on fort

[waxen musk]

There you go. Cool.

[short laurel]

yea. aespa did soo many gaming collabs iirc

[empty jetty]

Nj could have been there too

[waxen musk]

I doubt bridges are completely burnt with the team to not give up hope it happening again in the future.

Depends on how big NJZ get obviously.

[empty jetty]

Fortnite loves money and they know they bring money

[short laurel]

if only fortnite loved linux. hypocrite epic games

[empty jetty]

It doesn’t work on Linux?

[native anchor]

i do think that fortnite is waiting on njs

[short laurel]

epic specially made changes to make it not on linux. meanwhile they fought with apple and google with words for freedom of platform or whatever.

[native anchor]

it just doesnt make sense that they havent made skins for other kpop groups yet

[empty jetty]

Epic is very hypocrite

[short laurel]

but sadly they won gamers heart with their battle with google and apple

[empty jetty]

I still think it’s a childish battle

[short laurel]

that they won.

[empty jetty]

Yup, but it’s a bit childish

Or I might be a Tim Sweeney hater idk

[short laurel]

we all are yim sweeney hater.

[ashen charm]

Newjeans was definitely suppose to happen but miku was replaced last minute and how illit and yunjin got her emotes also was in that time frame

[ashen charm]

Yeah but that case is alot more favored for mhj as there are so much evidence no way is it not copying

[torn idol]

@waxen musk you seem like an expert. do you think they have a chance to comeback. because i miss them 😔

[cerulean lake]

i don’t even play fortnite but i wanted to see others enjoy the collab if they did have one 🫩

plus i think that collab could’ve helped increase their popularity even more in the western sphere since fortnite is mainly popular in western countries

[native anchor]

heck yeah

[waxen musk]

Not sure why you consider me an expert probably just because I yap a lot. But I think most of us think there's a good chance, yeah.

[zealous helm]

oh is that the illit plagerising newjeans thing

[ashen charm]

Yeah

[native anchor]

True

[dense kettle]

this is not ragebait first of all the video thing of them as minors is true u can go search it up

[frozen granite]

OG ADOR did not release them.

[dense kettle]

lmao stay mad you doing too much. Just because you like the newjeans members doesnt mean mhj is good at all

In my opinion mhj is a weirdo

[frozen granite]

That’s cool you have your own opinion, we are just siding with the girls tbh

[dense kettle]

so am i but im not siding with mhj at all i dont like mhj

[frozen granite]

Imo the biggest weirdo is HYBE & BSH

[dense kettle]

and mhj

Lets be honest

[frozen granite]

For you yeah, the girls & their parents trust her though

[dense kettle]

I feel like mhj groomed the newjeans members bc they think mhj is there god or smth

[frozen granite]

If that was the case many of the parents would voice that, but they haven’t

[dense kettle]

mind you parents aren’t allowed to visit them or atleast before but the parents obviously dont know

[frozen granite]

You really don’t think they know? I mean they did create an ig account to defend their children against the media

Let’s not underestimate them please

[dense kettle]

yeah because thats their children

[frozen granite]

Exactly, so they would’ve voiced any concerns if mhj had “groomed” them

[red thorn]

Well You already have your stance and opinion
What's the point you asked the questions in the beginning? This came off as rage baiting
And there will be no point in discussion bc it will not be genuine discussion

[dense kettle]

ok so in there trainee days there parents were not allowed to visit them and in there old apartment parents were not allowed to visit them

Mind you there parents are probably barely with them since they are always out performing before they announced the hybe and ador lawsuit

[frozen granite]

The members literally had vacations, they would visit their parents you really don’t think the parents would’ve noticed anything? I mean cmon like let’s not act like mhj is this grand mastermind like many antis claim she is

[dense kettle]

yeah they had vacations now since there not performing

[frozen granite]

They had vacations in between as well … wait for how long have you been a tokki?

[dense kettle]

Girl when they had no apartments there parents werent allowed to visit them for atleast a year or longer

[frozen granite]

That wasn’t under ADOR though …

[cerulean lake]

where did u get that from. like genuine question

[bronze talon]

i love how theres still people believing made up rumours and stitched together kkt messages as facts after so much time having passed, kinda mind boggling
and no im not gonna go out of my way to explain every little thing or scrap out 3 sources which i dont even know where to find anyway

proving people like this is talking against a wall, they have their opinion, its facts for them and you cant change it

[cerulean lake]

and not taking twt threads or reddit as a source

[tawdry vessel]

prob a misinformed troll, just ignore and move on

[bronze talon]

duh

[cerulean lake]

i don’t mind if you don’t like mhj bc yeah, she might not be the best person but idk, i feel like people reiterate those things all the time and those words are commonly from a lot of spaces filled with antis 🤷🏻‍♀️

[dense kettle]

If im honest newjeans will probably lose court like i saw a news report thing online saying the newjeans members got paid one million dollars. So its best they go back because there probably in debt

[cerulean lake]

well they have to be getting paid otherwise that’s def a setup for contract termination ❓

i don’t think money is the case here even if it makes the court case more difficult for them to win

[dense kettle]

but there gonna be in debt after this. Plus didnt they literally break court rules one time

[tawdry vessel]

@native anchor

https://tenor.com/view/ban-button-keyboard-press-the-ban-button-gif-16387934

[cerulean lake]

what court rules did they break

if ur talking abt having to pay money, it was the judge saying they would have to pay that if they did anything after the injunction

[dense kettle]

the peforming one im sure and them making there own accounts

[cerulean lake]

doesn’t mean they already broke the rules

ador allowed that concert bc it was already in plan right after so it was fine for them to do it ❓

[dense kettle]

the account one

[cerulean lake]

after that, they literally went off the radar and even changed their ig so they respected what the court said

they haven’t uploaded anything on there since then

[dense kettle]

Are we not gonna mention one of the members making there own account in secret and posting stuff

[cerulean lake]

bruh what. even if they did, private accs aren’t banned. it’s if they advertise themselves as a whole new group doing activities

also everyone would be flocking that acc if it was actually them

[dense kettle]

for what speaking my opinion lmao stay mad

[steep torrent]

bro thinks that imgoingxrazy account is real 😭 yeah theres no point in talking to this person

[red thorn]

You just want to stir the pot
You don't intend willing to be informed

[tawdry vessel]

yep dont give this troll attention

[dense kettle]

i mean newjeans is prob gonna lose anyway

its best if they go back to their company bc they got paid alot

[frozen granite]

Girl ain’t nobody going back there lmao

[cerulean lake]

i mean i don’t mind if you don’t like MHJ. i’m not like the biggest fan of her even though i think the outrage towards her was definitely out of control.

but you keep bringing up narratives that are suspiciously always said by antis, trolls, and a lot of haters and that probably caused some resistance here. trolls used to flock here and say all that stuff

and plus, i don’t think you get their intent if you think they should just go back because they get paid there

[dense kettle]

i mean if they lose they kind of have to because of there contract

[frozen granite]

Nope, they are not forced

They can get sued or whatever, but HYBE can’t force them to go back

[dense kettle]

lets just wait and see

[timber needle]

Bro literally joined the server last week and wants people to think they’re a fan and not a paid bot 🙄

[bronze talon]

😭

[fathom onyx]

😭

[torn idol]

😭

[cinder narwhal]

how do i get that obnoxious space below my name

[fathom onyx]

🤣 idk

[ashen charm]

Yeah I agree I don't really care for mhj but you can't deny how she was only one there for newjeans

[empty jetty]

Can we ask to ban her on #1405629779709005875

[frozen granite]

I don’t think we should ban her either, she just has a different opinion than most of us which is contributed by misinformation but that’s no reason to shut her out

[clear hill]

I will not interact with rage bait click AMEN 🙏 to confirm

[heady gate]

9 more days.

[clear hill]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[tawdry vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-cannot-ragebait-me-heart-twitter-reaction-gif-cat-gif-16396486465647525728

[clear hill]

Like it’s okay to be skeptical but to stand so firm on misinformation/things that can be debunked just makes it clear as day it was never about finding out the truth and rooting for the “good guys”, just straight up drama and herd culture for some people

[empty jetty]

If you check their message history is all they do, it’s clear that they aren’t on our side

[grim hatch]

😬

[clear hill]

I get that if you aren’t convinced and want something you heard debunked but if youre so strongly against something you know you don’t know much about then that’s just parasocial Stan culture behaviour

Like it’s very easy to fall for that rhetoric because on any platform if you search up mhj/min heejin you’ll get nothing but negative pr which is why I kinda get it but at the same time feeding into disinformation without fact checking and passionately passing that information on is how we got here in the first place. Like do better 🥴

[tawdry vessel]

shes saying the girls are getting groomed.. that's very disrespectful to them and their parents.. which is breaking rules #1

https://tenor.com/view/ban-bongo-cat-gif-18085186045616341050

should be an instant ban whoever says this.. ain't no way the girls are getting disrespected like that in the server that is dedicated to them

[empty jetty]

^^

they cant tell who's minji or hanni

[upbeat stream]

Serious question: do you have reading difficulties? I'll repeat one more time: where did you get that Haerin and Hyein do not want to pursue the lawsuit? I never said a single thing about mhj. Again, learn to read pls. You won't get far in life without that

[upbeat stream]

I understand that, but they are being willfully dishonest. I countered them on the maknaez not wanting to do this, and they replied with some tangent about mhj

[midnight yarrow]

I don't know why obvious rage baiters who pretend they're not "arguing" in bad faith just to trigger real fans aren't banned immediately. It's so easy to spot someone who spends every day in the reddit megathread. They can go back there to indulge and engage in that hateful ignorant cesspool

[grizzled summit]

Let me ask you a question : Were you there when mhj was with the girls?

If no then shut up.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/maruru2051/status/1959103237157790109

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1959015839698755842

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

Context :

During the INJ, some PPTs were published to the public.
Lee Jin Ho (HYBE's mouth piece) blamed it on MHJ, NJZ, and its parents, saying that the only people who had access to these materials were (obviously knc as well)

1. The court
2. Sejong
3. NJZ + parents
4. MHJ

X · Aug 22, 2025, 10:12 PM

so a hybe employee leaked the materials to the press (wbk, but at least we have evidence now)

[frozen granite]

So cryptic or maybe not …

[torn idol]

we are so back 😭

newjeans never die

😔

[dense kettle]

Ragebait worked yall are so dumb gn

[dense kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/job-job-application-jobless-gif-2757097081210871087

[upbeat stream]

@native anchor just ban them at this point. They admit to being just a troll

[torn idol]

doing all that after losing an debate is not making you look better or feel better, just go to sleep feeling upset my friend 🥰

🥰

[grizzled summit]

then you shall get banned i guess

[cerulean lake]

that’s so stupid why tf would they want that info in that incel’s hand if those people were the only ones who had that info 😭

[hollow sorrel]

that’s hybe for you

[cerulean lake]

his reasoning literally makes no sense

but people still eat it up. no more media literacy or logical thinking in this day

sums up kpop reddit

[short laurel]

they thought our side not had evidence and tried to put blame on njz side. hybe won't get away with this

[cinder narwhal]

true bunnies are the easiest bait ever

[short laurel]

He's been ragbaiting since yesterday.

[feral tapir]

can we stop with that ragebait trend shit it literally has nothing constructive

[cinder narwhal]

i know because it's so easy smh

[heady gate]

Just ban him. Problem solved

[red thorn]

Can't really blame them, been sensitive and omaomaga amigoingcrzayright bc of the feud

[cinder narwhal]

people should learn how to ignore... by themselves and by using discord's ignore

[heady gate]

I didn't know there is an ignore option. I learned something new today

[red thorn]

Some people maybe can't really handle the situation bc they're too care it affecting their life, took extreme measure such as unfollowing/take a step back from all of this
That's sane solution too

[cinder narwhal]

god reading about this i just imagined a surprise drop of a teaser for a song... got shivers thinking about it

[opaque flicker]

its fine now that person will not be back any time soon

[clear hill]

Yes I know. Unfortunately not everyone has good intentions

[clear hill]

What’s a ppt? Sorry if this is a dumb question

[hollow sorrel]

a powerpoint presentation

[clear hill]

Ohhhh. Are they referring to the newjeans formula and illit formula similarities?

[hollow sorrel]

in this case I think they are referring to MHJ's kakaotalk messages that were published last year

[clear hill]

Ohhh, is this a ppt involving the kkt messages?

[hollow sorrel]

yes

[cinder verge]

what is this stuff about harin newjeans japanese member? who even is that

[empty jetty]

Nothing too crazy

She had a trainee contract that wasn’t renewed, but ppl are acting like MHJ kicked her out of the final group because a shaman(btw it’s common to consult shamans on Korea for big decisions) told her that she was evil or smt like that

If you are really interested I can find a thread with the whole story

[heady gate]

Everything is fine. Those are noise media, trying to distract us from MHJ's case on Aug 22.

[storm warren]

yea, the moment judge approved PPT presentation, media and cyber wreckers like LJH were mobilized to release it as well, but plan failed

kbunnies think the court is aware that KKT is used for smear campaign rather than to win the lawsuit

https://x.com/13neverdie/status/1958940597978636739

Di (@13neverdie)

프로페시아도 소용없는 너 딱기다려

X · Aug 22, 2025, 5:13 PM

hybe employee basically leaked k&c defense materials to press and cyber wreckers

its probably someone from PR lol

[clear hill]

I don’t get it why would it be someone from pr tho? Why would they leak it then?

[short laurel]

even in hybe not just anyone can get access to those files. one of the represetatives from hybe did this.

then they have balls to blame it on MHJ, njz and parents

[cinder narwhal]

out of context texts + deranged hybecels = :mhjsob:

[red thorn]

Hm
PR & lawfirm must synergize the strategy

[upbeat stream]

When did this happen?

[cinder narwhal]

it is synergized. actual court and court of public opinion. 2 pronged attack

basketball court next

[storm warren]

the screenshot above

it has email of employee ending w @hybecorp.com

its from ljh video i think kbunnies were talking about it

[clear hill]

Oh I misunderstood it. I thought it was a ppt leaked for exposing Hybe. But yeah the mhj kkt were definitely leaked for a reason to help their case.

[storm warren]

more like to smear her and njz

[clear hill]

Well that’s been their entire move thus far 😭 Hybe really have nothing to use against them but to twist the publics perception

[waxen musk]

SLAPP and media play is more of their goal than any relatively-minor financial compensation.

[clear hill]

Yupp

It’s funny because during a court hearing hybe’s side ruled sejong’s argument of Hybe media play as “emotionally charged” 💀💀💀 they are the biggest hypocrites and the fact that they’ve gotten away with everything they try to smear njz with is honestly just astounding

[heady gate]

Hopefully, the Korean government would do something about SLAPP in the future.

[clear hill]

What’s slapp? 😭

Is that like theslap.com from victorious lmaooo

[heady gate]

A SLAPP (Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation) is a lawsuit filed by powerful individuals or organizations to drain the target's finance.

[waxen musk]

MHJ seems in high spirits the last couple of days based on her posts and stories so it really makes me want to know what she knows.

I say this too often now but articles reported by the media don't show the full story.

[heady gate]

K media never shows the full story

[torn idol]

the ragebaiter really got ban 😭

[cerulean lake]

honestly don’t think they were ragebaiting. they probably meant to say whatever they said but then played it off as ragebaiting after seeing everyone being unhappy with what they said

[torn idol]

they lose the debate tbh

just don't wanna admit it so they play it off as a ragebate

[hollow sorrel]

wonder if she's already planning ahead for the future

[heady gate]

19 days until the 2nd mediation session.

I am wondering which member is going to court.

[clear hill]

Ohhhh. I wonder if there has ever been a case of the Korean government intercepting SLAPP in a case

[clear hill]

Also ragebaiting in a discussion forum is so??? Strange?😭 literally just a cop out atp from admitting they are wrong lol

[empty halo]

perhaps hanni.... i know shes faced the brunt of the backlash but if theyre gonna switch it up and its not gonna be dani and minji again i doubt they'd send the maknaes

but it could just be the both of them again so

[heady gate]

I am hoping is Minji + Haerin (ninja cat).

[upbeat stream]

Husseyz again is very likely

[zealous helm]

If they intend to find a settlement then all 5 should go

[empty halo]

possible

[zealous helm]

I don't think some members should decide whether to settle on behalf of the others

[empty halo]

all 5 must have obviously discussed all possibilities before going to the meeting bro, ofc nobody's settling on behalf of the others. the lawyers who represent all 5 of them are also present and wouldnt just make any decision without the agreement of all 5 members

just bc the whole group isnt going doesnt mean the members who are going are determining whats gonna happen

[torn idol]

real

[zealous helm]

but how could they know all possibilities ador would bring up

[waxen musk]

What if there’s a third mediation session?

[zealous helm]

thats prob what will happen

[waxen musk]

There’s not a lot of time between the 2nd mediation session and the final judgement date, so there’s a limit to how many there can be.

[zealous helm]

considering i dont think mhj will come back to ador and thats what the girls want

[empty halo]

if ador brings up something completely out of left field and unexpected, obviously the members present at the mediation can connect to the ones that are not there

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-dampsausage772-emporershmingleblorp-idgafwar-falling-gif-700044825151028376

[upbeat stream]

Think I saw a k-tokki say 1 or 2 are common but 3 sessions is very rare

[empty halo]

what if theres not and they sort everything out in the second one and theyre free and they also get the IP and rights to everything and it's all sunshine and rainbows

[hollow sorrel]

I feel like that is a very very rare case if they don't see any possibility for settlement after 2 mediation sessions I doubt the court will do a third one

[zealous helm]

best case scenario

i just hope we dont go to oct 30

[empty halo]

I feel like the quality of sejong's case doesnt matter as much as the judge's biases and I wouldn't trust the latter

[zealous helm]

Yeah i'm not gonna sugarcoat it sejong have been screwed in court

[hollow sorrel]

it's only 67 days

[cerulean lake]

true the judges seem like they really only look at financial compensation as a valid reason to show why hybe isn’t mistreating them

the judge doesn’t even considers the emotional mistreatment and that makes it hard for sejong bc they need like super concrete evidence that hybe is behind it and all those documents are under hybe’s control unfortunately

unless there is like a whistleblower or they manage to get another voice recording like they did with that new ador ceo

[hollow sorrel]

okay but the judge on the main case has been really progressive I remember on the very first hearing he acknowledged that this case is really interesting because of the abstract nature of trust based contracts

• he has a good background of worker vs employer cases where he often favored the worker so I don't think we should worry too much

[zealous helm]

yeah this is the thing

njz points are super hard to prove

[clear hill]

Hybe is just extremely coy with their moves which makes solidifying their case very hard. Although there is literal substantial proof in situations like these people often believe when it’s too late. People seek a final blow from an aggressor to solidify their stance and due to that it leaves victims in a tough place where nobody will believe them and the aggressor will get away because the victim has already been ostracized by the public enough

[empty halo]

okay thats good, I assumed that the judge who ruled against njz in the injunction was similar to this guy

[clear hill]

There is also the fact that mistreatment in the industry is extremely common. Newjeans’ mistreatment is not an isolated incident, it’s a reminder of the normalization of corporate exploitation that gets shrugged off in such a capitalist and hierarchal system such as SK. If the government were to do something about it, it would be a radical move that finally addresses the elephant in the room in South Korean society.

There is already this notion in the PRO HYBE discourse that the newjeans members asked for this by being an idol. People reduce kpop idols’ labour to consensual exploitation. People take their their eagerness to participate in an oppressive industry as a means of consent.

The fact that Newjeans are speaking up about their mistreatment is not taken as a radical and progressive move, it’s taken as a hindrance— a missed step during a perfectly synchronized routine.

[copper jetty]

What? No idol asks to be abused. The only thing idols want is to fulfill their dream of being an idol.

[clear hill]

Yes I know😭 I’m not agreeing lol

I think you’re misunderstanding what I’m saying

[zealous helm]

For sure, unfortunately the government isn't trying to do something about it. They want to stay on the same path as it has been for so long cause it makes the big bucks.

[clear hill]

Yeah sadly that’s how it has always been. You can’t really intervene in a system that you benefit from regardless of the detriment it causes to society when you’re in a capitalist country

[zealous helm]

Yeah, this is why i do hope the girls are still supported no matter what happens. I personally don't think they are going to win this legal case, they've submitted 11 points and much to our disappointment all 11 have been dismissed by the judge, that we cannot deny. However, i do think they have a case for concern and the judges do probably feel the same way. That's why i don't think newjeans should just give up because their concerns of safety and the levels of protection they have don't deserve to be invalidated.

[clear hill]

I’m sure they feel the deep support from us bunnies!! It’s really unfortunate that it had to turn out this way but fingers crossed this will lead to a happy ending!!

All we can do is have faith atm:(

[cerulean lake]

weren’t the 11 points for the injunction

idk if the same cases from the injunction are used for the main case too but yeah, all we can do atp is to hope the judge is a little more progressive and not only see money as a factor when it comes to mistreatment

[red thorn]

MHJ's VOUGE mhdhh spotted as display

[copper jetty]

I know you're not agreeing. I'm just incensed that that's the hill they're dying on just because they're trying to hate the girls.

Also it's very hypocritical because if it's the ones they stan, then they're the ones angry at the company. I'm just tired of them.

[clear hill]

Ohhh okay. The reaction to what I said just threw me off oops

[copper jetty]

No you're good. You've been here a long time now so I'm familiar with u...

[clear hill]

But also on the bright side there’s lots of reasons to have faith!! Newjeans/njz is too influential in kpop and Hybe/fraudor said this already. I think one of the biggest factors contributing to a chance of a win for them is the impact they’ve had on kpop. I don’t think this would still be ongoing/dragged out this much for a second mediation if it were another group. They are influential on the same level as their 3rd gen predecessors twice and blackpink and to think that they are still rookies compared to twice and bp just puts their impact in perspective

Hybe stans can hate all they want but at the end of the day even they agree that newjeans left their mark on kpop 🤷‍♀️ they won’t explicitly say it but when they complain about 5th gen and how newjeans is to blame you know they can’t even deny it lmaooo

[cerulean lake]

they’re in denial every time we talk abt newjeans’ impact 😭

[clear hill]

“New jeans ruined kpop”
“New jeans doesn’t sound like kpop anymore”
“ new jeans ruined 5thgen”
“New jeans made kpop too western”
= “we don’t wanna say it but new jeans are too impactful” 🤷‍♀️

https://tenor.com/view/poor-ronaldo-ronaldo-ronaldo-crying-ronaldo-crying-world-cup-cristiano-ronaldo-gif-27345641

[copper jetty]

They're also flip flopping on that .

If it's a bad thing in kpop then they actually acknowledge newjeans impact but when it's good then it's not newjeans impact. Like were they (newjeans) big enough for it to impact kpop or not. Pick a side.

[clear hill]

Also I am so fucking tired of people using new jeans as a scapegoat to say kpop sounds too western. My brother in Christ where do you think kpop originated from???😭😭 why do you think fancy by twice sounds like kpop when pop songs from 2019 were mostly electro pop or “loud” lmaoooo

[clear hill]

That’s the thing. Their copium complaints of new jeans’ success exposes how they truly feel. If it’s not favouring their favs they will have other ways to state how they feel about the current space of kpop

[copper jetty]

Lmao... it's not even newjeans that did those westernization.
If we want to give credit where it's due we have to first think who wants to remove K in "Kpop"...

Me coughing dynamite

[clear hill]

I always felt that lmaooooooo 💀 I wasnt familiar w kpop during that time but I always felt like bts wanted to follow in one direction’s footsteps

Ofc I would never say that, it’s like petting a raccoon with rabies by making that statement to the... armys 💀

[copper jetty]

They want that western validation and I'm not gonna lie they opened up the western market because of it... but at the cost of westernization of kpop.

Oh well, I think no matter what, a kpop group is going to break through in the west in the end and kpop culture is going to be known. It's just in this case it's the oppars.

[clear hill]

Lmaooooo not the oppars

Maybe I’m just old school n not hip enough but imo shinee paved the way🤷‍♀️

[copper jetty]

Lmao... you mean big bang paved the way.

Gdragon and Top 🔛 🔝

[ashen charm]

only one to ever beat newjeans is huntrix

[copper jetty]

Huntrix AND Saja boys then... paved the way.

[ashen charm]

not a real group so techically no one

[heady gate]

"Golden" will reach many Spotify streams milestones before Dec.

[copper jetty]

Tbh I'd rather have any other group aside from Hybe group. Hybe can go bankrupt... but I doubt that'll happen.

They'll just end up overworking their own idols but idc. I'm done with those groups, that company and their fans.

[clear hill]

Real ones know that newjeans ARE the huntrix they are literally fighting demons LOL

[ashen charm]

armys and hybe stans

[clear hill]

Also, huntrix takes massive inspo from newjeans. Even a fictional kpop gg can’t escape the influence of newjeans

[clear hill]

Oh and the reddit lawyer students

[ashen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/joey-diaz-karate-combo-gif-4149916635074014312

[clear hill]

Them and Hybe stans doing mental gymnastics

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1959422374920802800?t=9WcKu-i8TMwpsbKjS-233Q&s=19

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

So ADOR's current replacement of CEO is a deliberate misinterpretation of NJZ's conditions, that is, they are subtly changing the concept of NJZ’s request for Min Hee-jin's return into dissatisfaction with Kim Joo-young.

X · Aug 24, 2025, 1:07 AM

What do you guys think?

I think Ador/ Hybe is trying to pose LDK and ousted KJY because she has "experience" in management and an artist. Though her experiences are kind of made up since she wasn't even part of the pop up and tokyo dome and a recording of her having no plans is kind of

[flint stone]

Stupid move ones again, they need to understand that without mhj they lose nj. Also nj have recording where that new ceo says that they have no future plans (if I remember correctly)

[rugged dagger]

it was real. 2 of the biggest and accurate leaks account confirmed it

[torn idol]

this is crazy

[rugged dagger]

it may or may not have been worked on as much because of how shaky the situation was but it was defInitely planned

[short laurel]

yea it was 100% planned but th BS hybe pulled ruined it

[red thorn]

I'm sure they very much understand and consider that, but it's more about the big picture
I wouldn't straight away to downplay/underestimate every move they made, it seemed stupid at times until we realized later it gained them favour or reach their goal

[storm warren]

agree with this. regardless it was never going to work out

i mean rehiring mhj lol

njz has been lost for ador since november. they are not fighting to get them back, they are fighting to win and then get compensation

[cinder narwhal]

yeah underestimating hybe is a common tokki mistake

[copper current]

It is more like Tokki put too much faith on Korean justice system. Corruption is everywhere and reality money and power win over the truth. Everyone clearly knows NJZ are right but haters outright bully and lie to be on Hybe’s side together with corrupted judges.

[short laurel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1959573721989214515 guess who wrote this blog.

dam 1tokki just deleted it a soon as i shared it.

it was a really nice blog praising OG ador. only issue was it was written by that employee B.

[waxen musk]

lol did 1tokki delete it a few minutes after @thegreatgaram and others pointed out who wrote it?

[short laurel]

i just opened it when i shared it here. it was gone after. so assume they deleted it then.

lol if u open it from qrt on mobile. u can read the original tweet. lol twter is broken

[empty halo]

is it just me who cant open 1tokki's acc

nevermind just a me issue i guess

[short laurel]

this very employee, couple months later sued MHJ.

[cerulean lake]

maybe they got threatened by hybe bc it’s just strange how someone can switch up right after 🫩

[cerulean lake]

yeah kinda true. the justice system in korea is messed up and corruption is super prominent there. i think tokkis were too reliant on previous court case successes but we didn’t take in consideration that those cases were more based on like physical abuse and financial issues rather than emotional abuse

plus in korea, it’s like normal for employees to suck up emotional abuse and you can just tell people don’t take that type of abuse as seriously by the number of people who still clown on them for speaking up smh 🫩😖

[red thorn]

It's been circulated long ago and I maybe remember it wrong, I think 1tokki shared/repost it at the time too

[frozen granite]

The claim that illit copied newjeans has been debunked or no?

[clear hill]

Nope

If it has been debunked then the mhj belift case would’ve been concluded by now

[frozen granite]

I thought so too … I saw on Reddit that illit has been proven innocent ?

[tawdry vessel]

reddit as a source is crazy

[frozen granite]

Can someone link me a source where they said the real footage where a member didn’t bow down to hanni was deleted ?

[red thorn]

Debunked as in what? In communities or court? For communities each sides have "debunker" , for them a Youtuber such as hybe boy or sniper on x
For us we had tallytokki (rip) and some others too

[frozen granite]

Legally debunked I meant

[short laurel]

No, it's not debunked.

[frozen granite]

As in a court legally said illit didn’t copy newjeans

[clear hill]

Well you need to have some discernment plus Reddit is a very anti njz space

[tawdry vessel]

its still ongoing

[clear hill]

Like I said mhj and belift still have an ongoing case. If the court concluded that there was no plagiarism then belift would’ve won and we would’ve heard of that by now.

[frozen granite]

Yeah I thought so too … agh I hate that this gets me upset

[clear hill]

Who is they? This can be easily debunked by looking at the review footage ador provided in court. Hanni said it was a different date and ador provided the wrong footage from a wrong date. This has been debunked a long time ago.

[frozen granite]

Also is there a source for this?

[frozen granite]

Can you give me a source for this ?

[clear hill]

You can search up the live where newjeans had on YouTube. She talked about this.

[short laurel]

It's not that illit copied newjeans, it's belift who took mhj planning (proven) n implemented them in illit(not proven, neither debunked, just we c similarities)

[clear hill]

Also when she went to the assembly. She talked about this several times.

[short laurel]

Illit just doing what they are told by belift

[frozen granite]

Oh I fear if I were to say this they’d just say hanni is lying nvm it is not like it would change their mind

[clear hill]

???? But you believe Reddit???

[frozen granite]

I don’t lol

I’m trying to argue with an anti

& cite resources

[clear hill]

Ador has literally admitted to bringing the wrong footage in court

[short laurel]

Unless that anti yr irl friend, why u bothering

[frozen granite]

True

[short laurel]

They won't believe even if u provide proof

[frozen granite]

October 30 cannot come soon enough which I’m scared but also just looking forward to

[clear hill]

You can’t argue with someone that refuses to see both sides

[tawdry vessel]

~t https://x.com/luenacore/status/1956950909918880127

[narrow seal]

250817 luna ୨ৎ (@​luenacore) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/luenacore/status/1956950909918880127
I encourage bunnies and anyone who's curious, to take a look at this website. It details Hanni's entire 'Ignore Her' incident and helps you understand what the real issue was, and not what HYBE made it out to be.

🔗: https://sites.google.com/view/the-bunny-association/hybes-mistreatment-against-mhdhh/ignore-her-incident

[short laurel]

Even if njz wins, a year later, they'll scream how hybe won.

I've noticed this in past case where hybe had to pay fine, army scream that hybe is proven innocent some time later

[tawdry vessel]

cult

[frozen granite]

Are you guys feeling confident they’ll win? I need tokkium

[clear hill]

Ador showed May 27th footage when newjeans were performing at chosun university and the “ignore her” incident was May 28th. In the video you can see Dani’s outfit from the chosun university performance.

[tawdry vessel]

im around 60% confident

[short laurel]

I didn't know that. Saw it 1st time yesterday.

[frozen granite]

The 40% being that they’ll lose completely or that there will be a mutual compromise ?

[clear hill]

Well lots of things make me confident. Mhj being cleared by the police, ador fabricating evidence to prove their argument, that they’ve done nothing wrong, they’ve been mistreated, etc. It’s all a matter of fact if the Korean Supreme Court will let it slide or actually do something about it.

Oh and Bsh going to jail

There is clearly a pattern here, Hybe accusing of things they’re guilty for

[tawdry vessel]

40% is the judge being corrupt

[red thorn]

The confident to win is needed for their attorneys for arguments in court haha
I can only pray for the girls and hoping for the best
Bc telling "you/we can win this!" Don't feel right

[storm warren]

no, I expect another pro-corporate verdict to make sure industry remains corrupt and companies will never be held accountable for not fulfilling their duty

[frozen granite]

…

[storm warren]

It can go either way imo, no one has more chance than other

[empty halo]

theres a chance they'll settle w ador and there won't be a need to depend on a court verdict. if they dont its up in the air tbh

[frozen granite]

Oh are you referring to the mediation?

[frozen granite]

I don’t get it … dumb it down for me

[heady gate]

Korean judges don't oppose those in power.

If BSH loses his power, it may increase NJ chance of winning their case.

[red thorn]

Something like public opinions could pressure them too
Influence their judgement, which shouldn't

[frozen granite]

sigh I don’t think the mediation will solve much given that the new ador ceo apparently doesn’t look for the girls interest & wellbeing

Is BSH really that powerful in Korea ?

[cinder narwhal]

they won't win but they'll settle and get out of contract

[frozen granite]

Would that come with new music or no?

[cinder narwhal]

well yeah since they'll be free

[frozen granite]

Oh ok good that’s my biggest concern along with their wellbeing

[heady gate]

His net worth is 1.9 Billion USD. The former Korean first lady was his main supporter. Now, she faces multiple criminal charges. BSH lost her support.

[frozen granite]

She? Or he?

Is he being subpoenaed or?

[heady gate]

the former Korean first lady is not able to protect BSH.

That is why there are 4 agencies investigating BSH and HYBE in the past 2 months.

no subpoena.

We need to wait

[frozen granite]

Is this related to what he’s being investigated for? Sorry for asking a lot I’m currently in school & have not had time to really acquire much information of what’s going on

[empty halo]

yes they're having those mediation sessions to reach a settlement

[empty halo]

he's no chaebol

[heady gate]

https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10555344

[empty halo]

he's rich and powerful but there is some overexaggeration

[heady gate]

yes, he is no chaebol and he is rich.

[storm warren]

It will be ideal if they settle and part ways during mediation. It is a bit risky to have faith in what judge decides. While all evidences and arguments from NJZ side is valid and strong, no one can stop the judge from ruling what the injunction initially ruled

the court might again say that they have no right to say anything about CEO change and they did not give new ADOR enough time, completely dismissing the girls' position.

I did feel confident with Sejong's statements and MHJ's recent ruling and I can say they have done their best, but K&C is cunning and adjusts their scheme cunningly.

[heady gate]

Does anyone know is the same judge presiding over the injunction hearing in March and the contract validation trial?

[storm warren]

no

different judges

[frozen granite]

But they do have a right to rule in favor of the girls’ decision in leaving no?

[storm warren]

yeah, that would be great

or just mutual breakdown of trust ruling alone would be ideal if it goes to trial again ofc

50-50. nobody knows how the judge will interpret/view contract and arguments

[cinder narwhal]

agree

[empty jetty]

the fair thing would be ador keeping bernice and njz the songs

unbiased opinion

[raven kelp]

hell no!! nothing less than full custody of bernice

[empty halo]

huh

whats fair about a company having complete ownership over music instead of the artists and producers who created it?

one could say it's realistic, but in no world is that "fair"

are you being sarcastic

[empty jetty]

im pretty sure ador doesnt have complete ownership anyways

since they arent using hybe in house producers nor writers

[empty halo]

exactly

so why should they "keep" the songs

[empty jetty]

idk about laws but im pretty sure they would have to re record them(?)

[storm warren]

yeah, pop culture contract states 3 years should pass before singer rerecords

ador owns masters and realistically njz does not have nor money nor urgent necessity to buy it. they can always perform old songs by paying fee to KOMCA. as it was shared 18 of their songs are managed by komca directly and there is no need to even ask permission from ador i think

the price of masters will drop after they rerecord it. that's what taylor did

[empty jetty]

So there’s a case scenario that we see Ditto(NJZ version)?

[storm warren]

most likely yes. i mean there is clause in exclusive contract about that. i dont think anyone has ever done it tho

will be interesting 🤔

[short laurel]

do they have to pay the fee? they participate in making the song, not puppet singing.

[storm warren]

they dont own publishing rights or master, so yes

[short laurel]

i never thought about it but it's really disturbing that idols have no rights to their own songs after they leave their label.

[empty jetty]

It’s usually like that on all the industry, not just kpop

[storm warren]

labels always have upperhand in contracts and control ip and masters

[red thorn]

Mechanical rights label own it that's just the way it is
The artist if they wrote the song still have rights tho they still get royalties

[storm warren]

They have performing rights and they get revenue naturally from everything

additionally njz members have publishing rights for songs they are credited for

like ditto omg attention hype boy asap super shy new jeans cwy how sweet and supernatural

they dont have credit on cookie hurt eta bubble gum right now

even after dispute is over and they part ways, ador will have to share revenue with them (pop culture contract states it)

well that is if njz leaves without any penaltiy/compensation

[waxen musk]

Sorry I'm just backreading and I've noticed multiple times you mentioned the date of the CCTV footage was wrong. After reading through the detailed summary from https://twitter.com/luenacore/status/1956950909918880127 the other day, a lot of Tokkis actually got this wrong. The date was never wrong. However, a million other things are way more relevant so don't worry about it. I was someone who also misunderstood about the date thing after hearing about it a million times.

More relevant link, where they explicitly mention about the date, sorry: https://x.com/BNZassociation/status/1957724101805764689

The Bunny Association (@BNZassociation)

The “Ignore Her” incident was on 2024-05-27.

Some think it was 2024-05-28, but neither side ever said that.

Hanni and her parents said HYBE’s footage was from a different time on the same day—not a different day.

Always double-check first-hand sources.

X · Aug 19, 2025, 8:39 AM

[waxen musk]

(Sorry, backreading.) I've seen this three year thing multiple times, but I never stopped to wonder three years from when? Three years after contract ends or three years after song creation/release?

[red thorn]

I read that rule stated in the article under "after contract termination" case point, standard exclusive contract

[waxen musk]

Yeah that would make more sense.

https://discordapp.com/channels/948917131989381173/948917817724514325/1409422853123866625
Ugh, I thought Ador had stopped with the Jeans' ZINE+ videos and was hoping they were just putting out the shorter Jeans' Clip videos, imagining they were already in the backlog for future posting.

That plus the 800 million Ditto streams on Spotify post. They're sending mixed messages.

I think people were really distracted by the website situation. I really think it has no relevancy, and is likely something they updated without even thinking about NewJeans.

They're gonna act as they always have, up until the very last moment.

Been seeing people speculate why a lawyer on Hybe's side has quit: https://x.com/TOKKI_JPN_820/status/1959908459488673887

ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)

(本訴訟)
8月25日に原告側(ADOR)の訴訟代理人であるホン○○弁護士が「訴訟代理人辞任申告書」を提出してるみたいです(画像1、2)

(株主間契約解除確認訴訟)
8月25日に原告側(HYBE)の訴訟代理人であるホン○○弁護士が「訴訟代理人辞任申告書」を提出してるみ...

X · Aug 25, 2025, 9:19 AM

I've seen Kuma speculate maybe BSH will personally be needing some elite lawyers pretty soon: https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1959932249844924620

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

要是BSH确信自己很快要被起诉了，那肯定得提前抽调精英律师开始准备为自己辩护了吧。🧐

X · Aug 25, 2025, 10:53 AM

[storm warren]

k&c lawyers gonna work on overtime to defend bongo

[waxen musk]

Mino is still sticking with thinking BSH's summoning will happen any day now: https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1959830998583304478

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

looks like police summoning is happening for sure within this month.

if they dont have a fucking picture of him going in and coming out im going to lose it

X · Aug 25, 2025, 4:11 AM

If it doesn't happen on weekends, there's only four more possible days.

[grizzled summit]

How many times are you guys gonna post this

[clear hill]

Wait tysm omg I didn’t even know this

Wait but I’m confused didn’t ador say that they remove the footage 30 days after or something? Why would they have footage of a different time of the same date but not the incident if it were the same day?

[waxen musk]

Exactly… why. That’s the whole point. They specifically saved the footage we’ve all seen but specifically deleted the footage that came after it. I do recommend reading the full explanation if you have a lot of time. Or just skim through that @BNZassociation account’s Tweets.

@clear hill Here's the most relevant Tweet: https://x.com/BNZassociation/status/1957720986436137112

The Bunny Association (@BNZassociation)

HYBE claims the CCTV “expired”. But they also said they reviewed 7–8 minutes—so why did only 8 seconds survive?

They’ve also offered three other excuses: security and supervisors blaming each other, and Hanni recorded staff admitting they deliberately didn’t retain the footage.

X · Aug 19, 2025, 8:27 AM

Well actually some other Tweets are also relevant to your question. But I won't spam them here.

[clear hill]

Ohh okay,yea I didn’t read it yet I just woke up tysm!!!

[waxen musk]

Just skim through the Tweets. It's quicker than reading the full document.

[red thorn]

Yeah the doc required lot of time, lots of back and forth point lol
It seems for only bunnies that really want to learn
That infographic in tweet can be for everyone

[clear hill]

are the BNZ association on any social media other than twt? I’m not on there tbh

[waxen musk]

They have other social media accounts but they haven't used them to repost all the different Tweets.

It's always useful to have a burner Twitter account just to even be able to read that shitty website as intended.

[cinder narwhal]

https://fixupx.com/shamanjz/status/1959922737914499395

Shamanz MHDHH (@shamanjz)

Hybe lawyer/s quitting 🤣🤣🤣
︀︀
︀︀("Fck this company im outta here")
︀︀
︀︀Be updated!👇😁

Quoting ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)
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︀︀8月25日に原告側(ADOR)の訴訟代理人であるホン○○弁護士が「訴訟代理人辞任申告書」を提出してるみたいです(画像1、2)
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︀︀8月25日に原告側(HYBE)の訴訟代理人であるホン○○弁護士が「訴訟代理人辞任申告書」を提出してるみたいです(画像3、4)
︀︀
︀︀いずれも同一人物だと思うので、ホン・ファヨン弁護士かホン・スンミョン弁護士のどちらかです。

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FixupX · Aug 25, 2025, 10:16 AM

[waxen musk]

It's one of two people: https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1959945297918058946

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

if the father quit its a big deal cause he is the main rep for hybe-ador and even though its a separate law firm from knc, he leads it.

if the daughter quit idk

X · Aug 25, 2025, 11:45 AM

[short laurel]

Yea that's what i was asking.

[short laurel]

Yea ik. Still disturbing to have no publishing rights to your own creation n having to pay fee just to perform your own work.

[red thorn]

For performing, it's the EO/promotor that invited the artist that pay the license fee

[short laurel]

Ohk. Cool then

[upbeat stream]

Why are ador lawyers names censored on the court website but njz's aren't?

[short laurel]

Isn't it obvious

[feral tapir]

[red thorn]

Entertain ourselves with this speculation of rumour

[heady gate]

I will keep posting that picture, as long as ppl asking about that Korean judges discussion making.

[grizzled summit]

well everyone gets it i feel like its unnecessary to keep posting it

[clear hill]

I can’t have Twitter bc my phone is old and not updated sadly

[waxen musk]

Does it work in-browser?

[clear hill]

Nope 💔only if u send a specific tweet, I can see it through the link but actually being on Twitter no

That’s why I get most of my stuff from tt which is kinda hell

[waxen musk]

That's poop.

Also a good thing. You don't want to be on there.

[pseudo heath]

If u jus wanna see the image

[heady gate]

The MHJ vs Employee B 3rd hearing delay is a waste of time and money.

[clear hill]

I’m gonna read the document in a bit but tysm<3

[clear hill]

Yuppp. It’s not a space I wanna be on 😭

[storm warren]

thats why she sued her

[heady gate]

It was related to a workplace harassment case. You have to search the full detail.

[storm warren]

sorry i made a typo. should have said thats*. i do know the case and it bores me to death

[short laurel]

She started drama on it but hybe dismissed it, ministry of labour dismissed it.
Her gripe is that mhj "interfered" in investigation. But iirc this case is about defamation n not harassment.

The case would've ended if mhj apologised to her but why would mhj apologise for something she didn't do. So now they dragging the case.

[storm warren]

and if she apologized, everything would be pinned on her by media and hybecels, but oh wait, they already do it

[short laurel]

Yup

[frozen granite]

One of HYBE’s lawyers quit

[clear hill]

Someone refresh my mind who is employee b and what did they do again?

[storm warren]

former ador employee who claimed she was sexually harassed by ador VP. apparently VP Lee made a remark thats "its good to have woman around for business meeting". the story was aired out by dispatch with edited kkts, accusing mhj of cover up and mhj posted kkts and defended herself on ig. she then sued mhj bc mhj shit talked about her being poor at her job and called her b*tch in kkt chats. in her original story she claimed she felt like meeting was set up on purpose and VP left her alone w client (it was meeting with CF partner). VP issued statement said she has never left her alone and suggested her to leave if she wanted bc he had to go to other meeting as well. later she changed this story and said there was no issue with meeting that took place

originally HYBE HR investigated harassment case and dismissed it. later, when hybe aired this out via dispatch, they conducted another investigation and appointed outside firm that also put the same verdict

she filed complaint to ministry of labour. ministry of labor also dismissed harassment case and also dismissed the complaint about MHJ covering it up (how tf did she cover up when hybe hr also investigated it lol). however they partially fined mhj for suggesting VP Lee to file a complaint if he feels wronged and also fined her for kkt chats. MHJ side objected and requested this to be reviewed again as kkt were private chats and she has never harassed her face to face.

her defamation case is ongoing, however, after ministry of labour verdict, she decided to change what she was accusing mhj of

we have no clear understanding on that because hybe lapdog media hasnt reported any details

after that MHJ also changed lawyer and case was delayed

VP Lee also sued her for defamation and won it as reported by billboard

and B claimed in one of her IG coke rants that MHJ sued her back (no media has reported this, so i doubt but hope she did)

anyways going into more details will give you brainrot

she got into ador via recommendation. she had poor relationship with VP Lee and claimed he nitpicked on her a lot. MHJ also rated her as poor worker and wanted to cut off her salary bc of it and ofc she didnt like MHJ's version of story

she wrote essay on her blog how good her time in ador was blablabla but got angry at mhj bc she didnt apologize to her. hence, she picked the best timing in the universe and became MHJ's 3rd defamation case after belift and source ayyy

[hollow shore]

Another thing to add that I read somewhere...when the VP said "it is probably better to have a woman around for the meeting" the meeting was with executives for a potential ad campaign centering around beauty products/makeup. They were going to be meeting with 2 male executives .....So if she wasn't around it would have been 3 men talking about what is best for advertising beauty products...so yeah literally it was probably a good idea to have at least one woman in the meeting....The whole thing was blown totally out of proportion.

[empty jetty]

One hybe lawyer quit lmao

[clear hill]

OHHHHH but I didn’t even know she called her s bitch 😭

[empty jetty]

https://fxtwitter.com/tokki_jpn_820/status/1959908459488673887?s=46&t=YRD40KXj3ph2j8r7Ods43w

ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)

(本訴訟)
︀︀8月25日に原告側(ADOR)の訴訟代理人であるホン○○弁護士が「訴訟代理人辞任申告書」を提出してるみたいです(画像1、2)
︀︀
︀︀(株主間契約解除確認訴訟)
︀︀8月25日に原告側(HYBE)の訴訟代理人であるホン○○弁護士が「訴訟代理人辞任申告書」を提出してるみたいです(画像3、4)
︀︀
︀︀いずれも同一人物だと思うので、ホン・ファヨン弁護士かホン・スンミョン弁護士のどちらかです。

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FxTwitter · Aug 25, 2025, 9:19 AM

[clear hill]

Bruh I’m so bad at reading sometimes

[storm warren]

its bc B took hallucinogens bc she really thought someone set her up like girl be for fking real

[clear hill]

I thought it was a sa harrassment I’m so confused where did it come from 😭😭

[storm warren]

thats hybecels for you

[clear hill]

Bruh SK is so selective when it comes to who gets cancelled. Bc no where in pro hybe articles does it tell you she took drugs even tho they would literally cancel someone over smoking s cigarette LOL

[storm warren]

speculation that BSH needs him for his defense team bc he is friends w current President

[storm warren]

i joked 😅 she didnt really take it lmfao. i just meant that somehow she came up with that story that someone set her up

and then changed it. iirc complaint she filed to hybe hr also claimed it

[clear hill]

Oh so she’s a psyop like 💀💀💀💀

Like welllll wellll wellll fork found in kitchen. Hybe always changing their excuses.🥴

[flint stone]

Where are those people from tiktok getting this info? I doubt hybe will ever admit their wrongdoing, hybe rather gaslight everyone that they never lied and blame someone else

[cerulean lake]

dang that’s some next level corruption 🤨

[frozen granite]

If a lawyer will this prolong the ruling or no?

[empty jetty]

Nah

[clear hill]

From toxic gllitz,fearnots,armys as per usual😭 it’s easier for people to believe since Hybe painted njz and mhj as the devil ig 🤷‍♀️

[cerulean lake]

i mean in that pic, they were defending hanni but the details might be a little off

and yeah, hybe will never bow down and accept any wrongdoing. the only time they did that was when they got exposed for those documents at the NA

[mild mist]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[empty jetty]

In fact, don’t use Reddit

[old cypress]

hybe did admit they submitted the wrong footage. Because during the trial they said the video was deleted after the 30-day retention period passed. Which means that the footage they submitted during the injunction wasn't the right one

[waxen musk]

It's scary how when you Google search now with it's AI overview bullshit, reddit is used more often than not for almost anything I search for.

[native anchor]

wait till u find out

ai uses reddit as their source to train them

and other platforms ofc

[waxen musk]

That's what I mean. Google AI uses it, but they're not the only one.

Too much power in the hands of random arseholes who like to yap on the internet.

[mild mist]

https://news.designrush.com/reddit-40-percent-of-ai-generated-responses-2025

[waxen musk]

🤢

[cinder narwhal]

🤔

[clear hill]

We’re the documents just about other artists from other labels? I forgot what the documents are about

[clear hill]

Oh I wasn’t talking about the pic oops, I was referring to typical information Hybe stans push out

[frozen granite]

She posted this & deleted it & posted it again

[waxen musk]

Oh so I wasn't going crazy.

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1960001171164381260?t=v6fWL0BDsbo1OZRSGAoCbw&s=19

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

💡 october 30th, once the verdict is announced, the injunction automatically ends, meaning after oct 30, no matter who wins, njz can start promoting again

X · Aug 25, 2025, 3:27 PM

This is true but If NJZ loses, ador has two options, they'll either apply for a new injunction (likely to be granted) while awaiting the appeal or terminate the contract and sue for damages

Cake knows this, she should mention it because tokkis are being misled

[empty jetty]

Why would they file another injunction?

If they win the girls have to take deals through ador side

[upbeat stream]

Because as Cake said, the current one automatically expires on October 30, regardless of what the ruling is

[empty jetty]

Yeah, but they can restrict them from independent activities bc of the contract

[upbeat stream]

That's what the injunction would be for

[empty jetty]

They don’t need an injunction anymore

That’s why it would be better that the girls pay the fine if they lose

^they wont

[upbeat stream]

They do, it's the only way to restrict/compel someone

I'll explain. If you own a copyright, and someone is using that and doesn't stop when you ask them, the only way to make them stop is to file an injunction. It's the same thing here. The main lawsuit will determine if the contract is valid or not, but it doesn't restrict njz from independent activities on its own, ador needs an injunction for that

[vale grove]

Updates?

[red thorn]

Huh? If ador wins then the exclusive contract still effective, why would ador motion injunction? And why would the girls do independent activities, under NJZ or under NewJeans without ador consent?

[vale grove]

I’m assuming no updates then lol

[empty jetty]

I alr tried explaining

[empty jetty]

Next update will be September 11th

[upbeat stream]

NJZ probably won't risk it, but there's nothing theoretically stopping them. As I said, injunction is the only way to compel/restrict someone from doing something. So just to be safe and procedurally correct, ador will apply for a new injunction

Or simply terminate and file for damages. That's the other option

[red thorn]

But I agree on misleading message, 'cause that Cake's "no matter who wins, njz can start promoting again" sentence

[empty jetty]

They should specify that is under ador in the worst case scenario

[red thorn]

I still think they won't need the injunction, I can't comprehend why? There's already contract that tied them with explicit consequence/penalty, it's clear breach

[upbeat stream]

But it's assuming ador doesn't want to terminate. Then how can the penalties mentioned in the contract apply?

[frozen granite]

I was today years old when I found out cake is a girl

[red thorn]

After contract still valid and the girls still want to terminate even say willing to pay but ador don't want to, resisting game? Is that even allowed? Isn't that more likely it's the girls that motioned the injunction?

[frozen granite]

After this is all over some tokkis should really pursue law school y’all would be good

[upbeat stream]

No. Let's say the contract is still valid. And NJZ ignores that and does independent activities. If ador still doesn't want to terminate (because they want to lock up njz until the contract expires idk, we discussed this a few weeks ago here), then the only option is to file for an injunction, get it granted, then obtain a compulsory execution, which would mean 1 B won per activity, just like right now. So njz won't be able to work

Idk if it's possible legally to restrict njz for 4 years, but that might be ador's motive. Many people on the reddit megathread believe so

If you notice ador's arguments in court, they seem to be arguing that idols should never be allowed to leave without just cause. Not once have they said, 'If newjeans wants to still leave, they should pay the penalty'. That's only said by hybe stans

[red thorn]

Ah I see, ok the motive and strategy made sense but yeah idk how is that possible
Public backlash would ensue probably but it's something or damage they can control

[upbeat stream]

I don't even know if it's legally possible. Are there no good youtube lawyers in Korea? They all seem to be paid by hybe

We need someone like legal eagle in korea

[red thorn]

They either paid to feed journalists for copy paste in article or just want clickbait to gain traction/appease followers

[heady gate]

I would ignore those online lawyer yt video/articles, just wait until Oct 30.

[clear hill]

Is this employee b???

https://www.tiktok.com/@247neon_nana?_t=ZS-8zBvXvlUqNI&_r=1