NJZ Updates and Discussion

[cerulean lake]

Wait I’m confused bc u said it’s like pro hybe in korea but then earlier you implied it’s a bit more pro mhj and njz there?

Anyways, I’m pretty bummed their reputation in korea has dwindled a lot while bsh still doesn’t get his lashings bc of the clear bias in the media. Korea was like such a strong support system for them especially when they were getting lashed on in the west but that all changed just bc of the stupid injunction and the mediaplay out of it.

And ik people here will say that it’s fine bc they will still chart and have concerts but I still worry for them bc you can have all that stuff but korean media and netizens are relentless. So many successful artists still mentally struggle just bc of the nonsense that surrounds them due to mediaplay. I just hope more people over there will start trusting them again.

That’s also why I really hope they win their case on Oct. 30th if it does get to that point. It would definitely help turn public opinion around internationally and domestically, and I feel like any possible mediaplay done by hybe after that could be seen as more proof of the mistreatment they’ve been going through rather than “facts”. Anyways that was my daily yap.

[zealous helm]

i was talking about newjeans sub reddits

kr general public is more on the side of hybe (according to my korean friends, they didnt take a poll asking everyone their opinions) but they are not that invested in it anyway

if they released a good track tommorow most of them would forget

maybe not hanni tho she has became a bit of a meme over there

[short laurel]

Fk ador for harming hanni so much. N fk ppl who enjoy it

[zealous helm]

whatever happens if they are happy then ill be happy

[cerulean lake]

ik but then you said “kinda like how it is in korea rn”

[cerulean lake]

smh was before or after mhj was released as innocent from the police?

plus haven’t seen much abt hanni being a meme but that’s a shame. like i said, people could say it doesn’t matter if they’re still successful but i personally would still care when there’s sm vitriol against them

[zealous helm]

i meant the popular kpop subreddits believe that hybe/ador will win the case just like korea general public (take it with a grain of salt), while more newjeans focused spaces like njz subreddit still think the girls and mhj will win, just like most tokkis in korea

[heady gate]

General public? SK has 51 million people. How many ppl on that poll?

[zealous helm]

it was before, they made some skit of her on korean snl

[zealous helm]

i did say they didnt take a poll

[cerulean lake]

ohh okok makes sense

[zealous helm]

but everywhere they go its 99% pro hybe news

most korean spaces its hybe support

[cerulean lake]

ohh that? yeah that was a long time ago i think. like a couple months back? i remember ppl talking abt that here before i took my kpop hiatus

[zealous helm]

so i wouldnt be surprised if general consesus is againt njz

[heady gate]

If NewJeans wins the case, that would be great.
If NewJeans loses, their contract remains active until expiration. (4 years)

[cerulean lake]

yeah i figure it was like that after hybe won the injunction but i was hoping it would change a little more ever since mhj got released as innocent and since hybe got stuck with this whole tax issue

the mediaplay against njz is still very strong though so idk 🤷🏻‍♀️

[zealous helm]

Its not as if they love hybe and hate newjeans, they just think hybe is going to win the case

[cerulean lake]

there was recently a qoo or pann post and like 1000+ comments were supporting them but then again, the support really fluctuates and sadly isn’t as strong as it was in 2024

[upbeat stream]

Eh they'll be fine. Newjeans to this day has the most songs on Circle Chart among girl groups

Do you know how crazy that is? Well over a year into hiatus

[red thorn]

She's been meme even before dispute for good reason, there was harmless skit in snl too like the blue coral reef cosplay but then later skit was deemed insensitive

[upbeat stream]

The reason public opinion soured is the injunction loss. If they manage to get out by settling on their terms or win the case outright, the opinion will turn again since the very reason it went negative wouldn't be true anymore

[cerulean lake]

not to mention the constant mediaplay after that injunction + them acting like hanni was some liar 🤥

i remember being happy i was on spring break for school and then i came home and saw the news abt them losing the injunction. let’s just say that day was no longer good 🥀🥀

[cerulean lake]

yeah that’s why i’m not sure if there has been any “recent” memes regarding hanni (def hope not bc i still have bad flashbacks abt the memes regarding minji and the kalguksu thing 💔)

not surprised if there are some ppl mocking her (unfortunately) but hoping it didn’t escalate to that extent in regards to making her as a meme in a negative way 🫩

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/NJZBAM/status/1955984198285594936

yb (@NJZBAM)

The mediation session lasted 80 minutes. 40 minutes in, ADOR left the room to hold a separate discussion.

NewJeans side has clearly stated their demands, and it appears that ADOR is now considering whether to accept them or not. (my perspective)

X · Aug 14, 2025, 1:25 PM

[cinder narwhal]

speculation

[bronze talon]

Good Points and speculations ain't gonna lie
Looks realistic but we can't know for sure

[fathom onyx]

[clear hill]

Any updates from today?

Or just speculation? Nothing official has came out?

Nvm, but here’s another good tt source for the bunnies who don’t have twt or cba to go through several articles

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSSKATCQq/

[buoyant hamlet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JhsdtEeT_VQ?si=Hy-8spnQJBpKbGTk

if its dani and minji at the second meeting again i hope they walk out like this to the media

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/daisyarcana/status/1956151396841218483

Daisy (@daisyarcana)

Can’t make this up. I just asked how h*be treated the girls when they were still there. And to no surprise a lot of ass-kissing & fake smiles, but actually hated on their light/magic. Oh yea, these girls are anointed; this is spiritual warfare 🥱 (“allegedly”)

X · Aug 15, 2025, 12:30 AM

[storm warren]

luna's essay is too much tokkium. mino is right, it is probably 1 or 2

hopefully mediator didnt talk w njz side privately to persuade them to compromise but we will never know. we need to be realistic tho, it could mean anything - positive or negative or none

[upbeat stream]

I was just going to say that: What if the judge wanted to privately tell them how he intends to rule on October 30th?

Or, perhaps the ador lawyers wanted to discuss something with the higher-ups

On another note, while many here are interpreting the 2nd mediation date as indication of some progress made, korean media is unanimously calling it a failure and that the sides couldn't settle. It seems to me that the court always intended for another session if yesterday's didn't work, given the long gap between mediation and judgement

[clear hill]

This is completely unrelated to today— but does anyone remember when njz we’re preparing for complexcon and people were speculating which company they were “signed with” bc of the practice room stories? All we can do is speculate lololol but I’m really curious if they were signed w a company

[upbeat stream]

I don't think they ever signed with anybody. No idea about the practice room thing but the most speculated agency was BANA

[clear hill]

It makes me think of the plans they had in store after complexcon if the court did not accept fraudor’s injunction appeal, they were certainly cooking something up and now all that is is probably lost media 💔

[clear hill]

I was so excited and hyped if it were bana but sadly the parents for njz acc cleared it up 💔

[cinder narwhal]

i was curious about that yesterday like is the judge allowed to give spoilers about his judgment to either/both sides

[cerulean lake]

lowkey don’t hope so bc minji and dani didn’t look the happiest walking out 😭😭

[storm warren]

yes, judge can hint

[empty halo]

people were speculating about 88rising bc danielle was seen wearing a belt w '88' to an event related to her sister I think

it'd be cool i guess, thats the same label as rina sawayama and no-na

bibi, Jackson Wang and joji too

[storm warren]

judge would not randomly hint them about how court might rule if it goes to trial. he will only hint to side thats in weaker legal position, pushing them for settlement

thats why its not particularly positive if judge wanted to privately talk to njz side

[upbeat stream]

That's what I meant. Perhaps he intends to rule in ador's favor and tried to nudge njz towards settlement in ador's absence

[storm warren]

yeah, thats what usually happens in mediations

tho i hope thats not the case ofc

[upbeat stream]

However the way media is framing it, seems like it was ador that wanted a private discussion within themselves, let's hope that's the case 🙏

[storm warren]

that would be better case for sure

hope bunnies dont get hopes up too much, even tho Sejong imo delivered the best arguments and rebuttals, court's mindset might be still pro-corporate

I also think judge might not want to make a precedent that would change industry, so he is pushing for settlement where not only both sides benefit but he also wont have to wreck brain

[upbeat stream]

In that case, they would want to settle to at least get something out of ador, otherwise they will have to return unconditionally after the ruling. I have no hope for appeals, they'll just affirm the lower court's decision

[storm warren]

settlement wont happen if it is not in good faith from both parties. ador first of all should give up on idea that njz must return

ador realistically can not restore old ador. there is no what if. its something completely off the table, hence, njz return is off the table. once they compromise on that, they can proceed to other issues like monetary compensation

if ador can not compromise on no return, then mediation is pointless and will fail again

if they are confident, they might push for trial anyways. we will find out in 27 days

[full ocean]

I don’t think NJZ will be back to Ador because the members might get A serious anxiety attack

Also, Them returning IS and WILL be a controversial Move

because Those haters will say why fight all these time

[storm warren]

like i said thats off the table. it will never happen

[full ocean]

Exactly

But im also worried for NJZ because Their Lawyers are buns 💔

It’s only 60% that NJZ will be NJZ

[inland bluff]

Yeah I'm too out of the loop to give a percentage

[upbeat stream]

Reddit thinks njz is unserious about negotiating anything or else they wouldn't send just two members. How can two members decide the fate of the others? Sure, they may have discussed some common scenarios beforehand, but they weren't there to hear ador's terms. So it was just for show

I hate redditors but Idk how to refute this point

[storm warren]

It was reported that each member would have a representative on discussion table but judge wanted at least one member additionally

everyone is involved. hybecels have wishful thinking that maybe one of them will have second thoughts, but njz is united and firm

no one decides for anyone, they all decide together

[upbeat stream]

They really wanted the maknaes to appear and perhaps decide to return, I saw someone saying that. How have they been following this case for over a year but don't know the members' bond?

[storm warren]

no one can say whether njz or ador are serious or not, court mandates mediation and they follow it

[storm warren]

maknaes hate hybe's guts even more than unnies

they truly dont know these girls

[upbeat stream]

Hyein the member who has talked the most about hybe mediaplay and how it affects them

[clear hill]

That would be cool, I saw a lot of speculations of them debuting in jp after complex con!! I feel like after supernatural a jp comeback under njz would be super refreshing considering that supernatural was their only jp song :((

[clear hill]

The only thing I am sure as a bunny during this situation is that the girls decide as a group and nobody’s opinion gets overshadowed. like they said in the bbc interview they’ve all discussed it beforehand and if 1 member didn’t want to terminate the contract then they all wouldn’t. Considering the members aren’t all based in KR atm I’m sure they keep in touch w each other regularly/know each other well enough to decide how they want to go forward in all of this. Plus I think it’s silly that Minji/Dani wouldn’t know how the other members feel about a settlement atm and their current stance regarding their plans for the future.

[clear hill]

Exactly and them wanting the maknaes to show up is so.. weird imo.. it’s definitely not with pure intentions and the fact that these are grown ass people hoping they would “slip up” or say that they want to go back to Hybe bc for some reason they think that they were forced/didn’t want to leave Hybe??like ever since last year of august their words and actions have been weaponized against them and taken out of context to fit their narrative even though they’ve never listened to the times they have spoken on the issue.

[runic tinsel]

wait what has hyein said?

[clear hill]

Hyein literally crying for mhj bc she felt bad and couldn’t help her when Hybe purposefully fired her, haerin at the award show saying thank you to the ador staff then correcting herself to say “ador staff who helped them out”, everything they said in the emergency live, hyein getting annoyed w a reporter during their emergency press conference, NONE of these ever cross their small minds 😭

[clear hill]

In her live she wanted to show her book and said that “but what if the media twist my words” or smth like that, she has also clarified in the bbc interview the common statements people say like “they think they’re too good for Hybe now that they’re famous” “they think they can do whatever they want” etc

[sinful karma]

same

[runic tinsel]

yes diva

[clear hill]

Here’s the full live clip of her saying it.You can also watch the translated bbc interview on yt

[feral tapir]

she sounded on the edge of crying ngl

[snow furnace]

yea

[pulsar wasp]

loving the speculation

severe tho imho

[copper current]

I really hope NJZ can discuss a solution so they can leave. I don’t think going back to Ador is a good option because they are preparing for new boy group. NJZ will just be a stepping stone for the new group and will be harmed easier. Once out just be smart and never getting back with abusers or you will be harmed more severely. Ador and Hybe will not let NJZ go easily the second time. I really hope they leave that hole for good.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1956307128840511552 handwritten yapping is so much better than ai yapping

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

@d3erjune there are so many things but ill list a few - ador didn't want a third hearing in the first place, they wanted everything ended at the second hearing. this is a fact that even their mouth pieces run on. for sejong it was different, they wanted more time (this was before the

X · Aug 15, 2025, 10:49 AM

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1956308978105020739

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

Here are the facts that the media won’t tell you, which only the K BNZ members who attended BOTH the second and third hearings know.

Sejong are the ones who requested a verdict as quickly as possible before the third hearing even started.

Sejong are also the ones who requested

X · Aug 15, 2025, 10:56 AM

[heady gate]

Is this real image?

[cinder narwhal]

spoiler it jeez

[warm hollow]

oh wtf

[tawdry vessel]

that's a face of a man who knows hes cooked and bout to be locked up

[heady gate]

Now, I understand the responsibility of FTC, FSS, NTC agencies.
The FTC imposes fines, pursues criminal cases and regulates corporate governance in response to unfair trade practices,
The FSS takes action against stock manipulation, insider trading and accounting irregularities.
The NTS monitors corporate tax evasion and improper share transfers through special audits.

[waxen musk]

I haven't backread yet, so I don't know if it's been discussed yet, but Mino on Twitter has said some very interesting things that have made everything seem more positive than ever.

[waxen musk]

lol I didn't have to backread far.

Too many unknowns, our imaginations are going wild.

I also found this thread of Tweets quite interesting to speculate on the reasons behind all the strategic delays: https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1956364934003990658

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

HYBE在股东协议诉讼中称，MHJ行为导致NJZ出走→这就是她的渎职。
核心是因果倒推：MHJ的不当行为→NJZ离开→HYBE遭受损失。
Sejong现在说如果旧ADOR恢复，NJZ会回去。
这导致反转：NJZ不是被MHJ“带走”，而是条件满足即可共同回归→HYBE的“MHJ渎职导致NJZ出走”的因...

X · Aug 15, 2025, 2:38 PM

I've generally avoided the usual hate since yesterday, which is great. However, I wasn't surprised to see people analyse the girls' emotions, which is why when I saw it happening even in here amongst us Tokkis, I was pissed off. https://x.com/diorkitty_0515/status/1956383036154720319

supernatural ~ #MHDHH (@diorkitty_0515)

NJZ smiling
🗣️ Do they think this is a joke? They created the biggest hate train for my favs, and they're laughing in the court?

NJZ no expression
🗣️ She’s on the verge of tears, did she finally realized how serious the trouble she’s gotten herself

MFS CAN'T CHOOSE A SIDE.

X · Aug 15, 2025, 3:50 PM

[lapis tendon]

Lmaooo people are miserable

It’s nothing compared to the shaman theories though lbr 🤣

[heady gate]

Welcome to Tag PR.

[short laurel]

i m the only one who thinks it's bad. mino's possibility twt. and i really think it's the worse one.

[upbeat stream]

It's not really a delay because the ruling is still set to be on October 30th

[storm warren]

everything is pure speculation, we cant really guess their intent or thought process, nor we know any details

[upbeat stream]

Explain? It's a bit annoying that he doesn't provide a source for the claim that K&C wanted a verdict after the 2nd hearing, Sejong didn't but then after the 3rd hearing, the situation was reversed

I would really like to know where this comes from

[waxen musk]

It speculates on why previous delays happened. It's nothing to do with speculation on potential upcoming delays.

[waxen musk]

You'll have to explain yourself.

[heady gate]

You make a post to analyst his new face.
BSH no expression
🗣️ He’s on the verge of frustration, did he finally realize how serious the trouble he’s gotten himself

[short laurel]

i m talking about yesterday when ador went outside. and judge talked to girls alone.

[storm warren]

from bunnies that attended trials

[waxen musk]

The possibilities for why ADOR left the room are many. For example I can think of another one I'll just pull out my arse: the girls wanted to discuss their options and called the rest of the members on their phone privately without ADOR being there.
Anyway we thought you were talking about Mino's Tweets that were posted here that were quite interesting and gave more positivity: https://discordapp.com/channels/948917131989381173/1231839760759263232/1405893921254412440

[waxen musk]

Thought you was saying I was saying that when you said "you" lol. I don't care if people comment on BSH, obviously (fuck him). But you can't do any serious analysis lol. He does look bloody strange though. I don't know what he done to his face.

[hollow sorrel]

I still think a settlement with the restoration of ador would be the best possible outcome in all of this but goshhh I can't wait for a verdict favoring the girls on 10.30 and reading all the crashouts from these losers on twitter omg...

[waxen musk]

Considering I think a successful mediation seems very possible or the final judgement at the end of October has it's best chance of going our way than ever before, I can't wait! I don't know what else could possibly be done to increase the chances of winning, so I'm happy about that. Even if I can't be certain and have major distrust in the whole process after the injunction ruling.
I'm not sure what the best settlement from a mediation could be, and going back to ADOR originally seemed impossible, but I've at least started to consider if it is possible. I could go on about the pros and cons of it, but I'll do that some other time.

[storm warren]

restoring ador to previous state makes ador still vulnerable against hybe as hybe owns controlling share and no one will feel at peace

its different case if mhj owns controlling stake which will never happen

[native anchor]

u cant throw someone out without a valid reason tho

[storm warren]

they did tho

[native anchor]

yea with a made up reason

[storm warren]

its not about valid reason, its just what they want to do

[native anchor]

who knows what consequences will follow

[hollow sorrel]

wasnt there something about the injunction in last May stating that MHJ should stay as CEO of ADOR for the 5 years

[storm warren]

her shareholder contract

she should have been ceo until 2027 iirc

[upbeat stream]

Which is why hybe unilaterally terminated it

[storm warren]

yes and which is why there is lawsuit about it

and money is tied to it as well as the fate of her non compete clause? idk what happened to it

[hollow sorrel]

yeah I remember she had like the longest non compete clause in the industry I wonder how the judge will react to that

[storm warren]

her non compete is tied to shares she has in ador iirc, as long as she has even 1 share, she is never free?

i dont remember it well now but well hopefully her lawsuit will sort out this issue as well

she was sm executive/board member, yet her non compete was only 6 months

[upbeat stream]

But the contract was terminated. I think the non-compete doesn't hold if hybe terminates it

[storm warren]

roughly guessing bc she resigned in 2018 second half and got employed in 2019 march or something

[upbeat stream]

Of course, the termination itself is disputed so who knows

[storm warren]

its ridiculous that hybe can put more than 1 year of non compete in contract

yeah unsure about her contract

hope she wins

[cinder narwhal]

mhj hearing and 2nd mediation session both same day but which comes first?

[waxen musk]

All I know is the mediation is at 13:30 KST. I'm sure someone could find out the time for MHJ's hearing, it's usually on the court's schedule on their website.

Of course if somehow ADOR was restored with MHJ included, so much would have to be done to not repeat the same situation. That's why it's so hard to imagine even being a possibility. And if the situation was repeated, I'm sure the girls would make the same moves, too.

Also you have to consider the complete unknown future of HYBE as a whole after their legal mess, which has only really started to get serious, but really nothing has actually happened quite yet.

Oh yeah, isn't today (16th) the final day of the police's search of the HYBE building?

Hopefully we hear what they found very soon.

[clear hill]

Green aura with flies surrounding him

I fear that if the girls go back to ador under their conditions, they’ll get the same hate g*idle got by going back to cube but tenfold. The way things are going this seems to be the most likely conclusion but I really hope there’s a third option.

I know they didn’t get a massive hate train but imo idle hasn’t gotten the same amount of public support they used to get during their nxde era. Obv lots of factors play into this but I fear that they’ll get taken less seriously by public. I just wonder how this’ll play out knowing the girls get so stressed just by walking by hybe alone.

[tawdry vessel]

i hope hybedor refuses to get the og ador back cause of ego

this helps strengthens the case in favor of the girls

win win situation

they get out of ador and bang pd's narcissistic ego bite him in the ass

[cinder narwhal]

i am of the opinion that good music trumps all

[cinder narwhal]

does this mean you supported them for a whole year but you don't support them or their decision in endgame?

assuming that's one possibility they proposed

[clear hill]

What?😭😭no lmfao why would I not support them?I’m just worried about their mental health because they literally get stressed just by being near the Hybe building. Some members take antidepressants due to the stress Hybe has inflicted them. In all honesty I don’t think Hybe deserves any of the success the girls have created for themselves esp after ALL of this. I support them 100%. Idk what led you to that conclusion that I don’t support them anymore💀

[cinder narwhal]

Haha ok mb

i just see a lot disapproving of them going back to ador when their side proposed that themselves, with conditions ofc

[clear hill]

To say “who cares what ppl think” in light of all the media manipulation Hybe pulled on them, the hate train, the blatant xenophobia and bigotry towards hanni, the only non Korean member, the lack of protection they’ve gotten from their agency who is supposed to look after them, the mistreatment they’ve gotten, etc is just kinda dismissing the work Hybe put into them to ruin their careers. Truth is public opinion DOES matter and unless you’re a robot it’s impossible to be completely unphased by opinions. Hybe clearly weaponizes public opinion against newjeans to destroy their image and to say it doesn’t matter is just wrong.I’m glad the girls are strong and have each other to still persevere despite these attempts to weaken them.

Plus them going back to ador would just 1.) give Hybe what they want, one of their biggest sources of income and 2.) kinda downplay all of their mistreatment and leave it in the past as “old news”. Hanni said that they don’t want to be part of a company that lacks integrity and only cares about money. Knowing the pain inflicted by Hybe towards these girls I really hope they don’t have to relive it again. Because they STILL faced mistreatment from Hybe even when they still had their old loving ador team. The difference is they just lost their only support group when they left/new management were put in place.

All I’m saying is I really hope there is a third option that didn’t put all their sacrifices to nothing. I know it’s copium but they’ve gone through too much just to let it go to nothing and go back to Hybe.

[clear hill]

Yea ik but I’m just really worried for them. Hybe is a disgusting company and even the other groups know that Hybe staff like to pin idols against each other. I feel like the hostile environment would just get worse when they’re back in that building. Their careers matter but their mental health matters more. I want them to do what makes them feel happy and safe

[cinder narwhal]

very good points thank you

[tawdry vessel]

thanks for putting my feelings into words of exactly how i feel

okay let me yap

tho i see what the girls and their lawyers are trying to do here, they want to win this case, and by doing this, it puts hybedor in a box and traps them

this is my theory of what the girls want

put og ador back, make hybedor put out an apology statement, pay the damages they've caused, and leave them alone

this raises a question, is bangpd willing to swallow his pride and admit hes wrong?

given how narcissistic and egotistic this man is, id expect him to say no

this helps strengthen the case in favor of the girls and get a good chance to win it on oct 30th

[clear hill]

I don’t think putting the og ador back is a fair compensation for putting the girls through all of that. Like I honestly feel really sorry for hyein, she is clearly feels things deeply and is more sensitive than the rest and not to mention who is a still a minor. She has gone through irreparable things that has probably stunted her developmental growth. Ik I sound like I’m being dramatic but Hybe giving them a career doesn’t justify the mistreatment they should endure. Og ador probably provided them a safe haven in the midst of hybe’s horrible practices towards their idols in that horrible building and even if they get that back, no amount of consolation can compensate how horrible Hybe treats them. :((

Maybe I feel so deeply about this because they’re around my age and I feel like that would do detrimental things to my mental wellbeing. Sorry for the yap guys >.<

[tawdry vessel]

i get where you're coming from and they're totally valid

[clear hill]

Oh and not to mention hanni?? Like omg my heart breaks for her. Hybe doesn’t deserve her AT ALL.She deserves the biggest apology ever.

Seeing her trying to hold her tears at the National Assembly broke me bc is it really too much to ask for?? To treat people as human beings?? Imagine being in a room full of middle aged men with high ranking authority trying to dictate whether what you’ve gone through is bad enough to implement new policies. All you want is to be treated fairly and stans are making you out to be some bully.

It’s really ironic too. hanni a southeast asian idol being scrutinized by her company. They call her an illegal alien. At the same time they’re preparing to debut a global girl group with another south East Asian girl. But as a company all you get is praise. “Finally a group with representation!” People say. How performative. To weaponize someones ethnicity and ostracize them but in the same breath get praised for “diversity” and “representation”.

[heady gate]

On Sep 11, 2024 New Jeans Emergency Live full.
One year later, there are 2 court cases scheduled on the same day.
Ok, it is a sign.

[clear hill]

Sorry I’m done yapping. I promise

[vale grove]

😔

[heady gate]

K-pop artists are not protected under the Korean Workers Act. Therefore, they could get abuse freely.

[clear hill]

Yea I know

That makes it even more insidious. Them knowing there’s nothing that can be done but bringing her out to speak regardless

[heady gate]

Hopefully, the new government would change it in the future.

[cinder narwhal]

true or false

[storm warren]

its true, but they will terminate contract if it is ruled valid

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1956572143925575827

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

This picture is one of the main reasons why I believe that Sejong did a much better job than we originally gave them credit for. The picture below is an official document from the court that you can check.

A "절차진행에 관한 의견서" is a formal document for when the parties use

X · Aug 16, 2025, 4:22 AM

mino is my tokkium plug

[upbeat stream]

If it is ruled valid and njz still refuse to return. They'll give them a last chance I assume

[hollow sorrel]

It’s the 16th which means we should get news about Bang Si-hyuk’s fraud case soon no?

[tawdry vessel]

theres a chance he might get arrested today

[cerulean lake]

gosh i hope so but i can’t celebrate until i actually see it. it’s crazy how many things he’s gotten away with in the past due to his connections or the constant coverups that his beloved fanbase does 🤐

[cerulean lake]

Definitely agree w/ what you said here.

If they do agree to go back, I just know people will say that the members wasted like a whole year of drama just to end up going back to the same place again. Plus, they will definitely make it seem like the only thing the members care about is MHJ (like if og ADOR is restored). While this could be true, I just know that the people will use this as ammo against them considering all the bad allegations they already put against her.

And like you mentioned, people slightly clowned GIDLE a little bit when they went back to CUBE after allegedly dissing them numerous times in public. And with how even more public this drama is, I just know people will not leave the girls alone domestically and internationally if they do go back.

If I had to wish what type of settlement occurs, I would hope that ADOR/HYBE just lets the girls go but maybe once the girls are free and doing their own things, they pay like a percentage of their income to that 💩 company for a period of time. Probably wouldn’t happen but we’ll see. Anyways that was my yap for the day.

[short laurel]

That is the most likely outcome in settlement i think. Girls free but give %age of profit

[feral tapir]

if they go back to ador it's gonna be even worse for them

[cerulean lake]

yup the hostility towards them is gonna be insane. if they were already getting insulted during their debut era, just imagine now 🫩

[feral tapir]

yeah i hope they don't go back

[cerulean lake]

i would want that settlement too but idk, hybe is extremely petty and they might just want to control them and all of their assets.

unless some miracle like bsh getting arrested or smth comes and hybe has to let nwjns go to improve their image 😭😭 just on some tokkium rn

[feral tapir]

problem with these people is you can hurt their ego but not their dignity

so he aint gonna give up just like that

[copper current]

Haters over scrutinized her expressions. She was nice and showed decent human sides and they were out there analyzing each small expression of hers like she is a doll and should have expressionless face. No expression means heartless, with expressions means she is not good. I just wants Hanni to know that she is a very good person and no need to cater to haters because she has plenty of people who love her.

[ashen charm]

ive said this from the begining laywers have been fumbling since the start 🥀

[empty halo]

id trust an extremely well respected and well known law firm in korea that was hired by the girls and their families over random tokkis on twt

[ashen charm]

theres no chance that happens they ever return to ador worst case they pay and terminate

[ashen charm]

lets hope newjeans put more evidence so they can take this case

[native anchor]

theres a chance

[ashen charm]

yup but newjeans wouldnt go back knowing they couldnt work with mhj and at ador that is most likely certain

[native anchor]

yeah they said only if its the ador prior april 2024

[ashen charm]

this why 7 year contracts are not it but thats how they get you

[native anchor]

yep

[ashen charm]

just my opinion but newjeans should pay and terminate only and only if the newjeans ip is involved if not say no to everything and wait for october 30th

[native anchor]

i get that but as long as the girls get what they want im fine with whatever outcome

[empty halo]

thats the problem unfortunately 💔 hybe has the evidence, well they deleted it so nobody does

[ashen charm]

up i hope that they have no regrets and can finally move on from this chapter

[full ocean]

The lawyers are not doing them job

They should hire bunnies instead

[copper jetty]

Bunnies are competent ngl BUT they're not lawyers...

[old cypress]

isn't everyone a lawyer on the internet

[bronze talon]

Well ofc I'm a lawyer

[native anchor]

Wow me too

[ashen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/bernice-newjeans-knuxxburg-right-now-kpop-gif-18203219454681299183

were all bernices

[mild mist]

When we're not particle physicists or aerodynamicists, sure

[pseudo heath]

is an aerodynamicst a thing

[mild mist]

Of course, aerodynamics are real

[short laurel]

study was science is diverse and complex. so if u heard something weird like aerodunamicists. chances are it's a real specilisation.

[upbeat stream]

They work at F1 factories and make crazy amounts of money

[waxen musk]

Mino is confusing me, not because they don't make sense, but because it completely changes my understanding of ADOR's future moves.

• Let's say ADOR wins
  • The contract is deemed still valid
  • The girls won't return and can't be forced to return (loss for ADOR)
• Ok so if the girls don't return, sue them
  • Suing them automatically invalidates the trust part of the contract that was deemed still valid
• Now the contract is terminated even after ADOR's whole legal battle to prove that is was never terminated

What then, is the point of everything ADOR is doing???

I really don't know what to think any more.

[copper current]

Yeah, I thought this is the final court battle in October but I don’t know what else is after that

[native anchor]

That doesn't make sense

If the judge

Rules in adors favor

And the girls refuse to return still

They have broken their part of the contract

Thus a lawsuit of ador wouldn't breach anything

That's just how it is

[waxen musk]

Yeah. Maybe I completely misunderstood what Mino was saying.

I don't even know why I'm focusing so much on their Tweets.

I know what you said Joy makes sense to me, but Mino says that the court can't penalise artists with these types of contracts for not working. Sounds bizzare and hard to believe.

[native anchor]

Hm

[upbeat stream]

The point of ador's lawsuit is obvious: to verify the contract's validity. If they had filed for damages right away after November 29th, and had the damages suit then determined njz's termination to be valid, ador would be out of options. Now, once the court rules in their favor on October 30th, they will give njz a final chance to return, and if they don't, will terminate the contract themselves and sue for damages. They can be sure of winning that

The one thing I do not know is whether the parents are guarantors of njz's contract or not. If they are, why are they not listed as defendants on the main lawsuit? It only lists the 5 members, not the parents

But perhaps that's not necessary to do

[waxen musk]

I need to stop contemplating what happens if ADOR wins. All I'm doing is trying to understand their previous and future moves. I feel like understanding the girls' is so much simpler. However it isn't completely simple when you consider what they are genuinely willing to accept during a mediation. There's been a lot of talk of returning to ADOR if it's restored properly being almost impossible. But it's what they've been requesting even before the legal battles started, so you have to believe it's genuine, even if it has so many down sides. Either way, whatever ends up happening in a win or settlement, the girls are compromised in different ways.

[waxen musk]

I agree with you. It makes sense. But notice what you said. You said ADOR would terminate the contract so they could sue them. What happens if the contract is terminated: the girls are free to do what they want. Am I crazy or does that seem like a somewhat fine outcome, even if they will lose a lot of money, they can at least freely make money, too. I don't know if ADOR asking for compensation also comes with them requesting the girls to not do this or that... because like you said, the contract would be terminated so wouldn't ADOR not have the power to request restrictions?

[waxen musk]

Why do you bring this up?

[upbeat stream]

Yes, it'll be like the former fifty fifty. njz will be free to work while the damages lawsuit goes on. However it might be quicker since the court would be building on the previous ruling, not starting fresh

[clear hill]

Yea this is also what I’m hoping for. Copium but I really don’t want them to go back to Hybe and face that mistreatment all over again

[upbeat stream]

Because of the damages. If the parents are not party to the contract, I understand why the girls have been so stubborn with their stance. Because I would assume they barely own any assets since they don't live independently. njz can declare bankruptcy and start anew. Ador can do fuck all

[waxen musk]

First time I've felt optimistic no matter the outcome.

[waxen musk]

Interesting. Never thought about that.

[upbeat stream]

This is why a part of me thinks njz might not even appeal if they lose. It's just futile, the higher courts aren't likely to overturn and delaying it doesn't help them. They might want to move on with their careers

[waxen musk]

Maybe.

[upbeat stream]

Same way they didn't appeal the injunction to the supreme court, because it was futile, supreme court rarely takes up such cases

[waxen musk]

By the way, now I'm starting to get confused again. What we discussed above ended up with the girls being free if they win, and free if they lose but ADOR (likely) sues them. The only way they won't be free is if ADOR just does nothing and doesn't sue them, right? Now I'm wondering if they're truly evil if they would even consider doing that, completely giving the girls zero freedom. ADOR gets literally nothing by doing this, by the way. No compensation, nothing. Just indirect control.

Also how much more do they gain by going through this whole legal process only to then ask for compensation at a later date, rather than doing so at any point in the past?

I need to stop thinking.

[upbeat stream]

That's... the nightmare scenario. And it's one I simply don't understand. If an artist can't terminate their contract without valid reasons, then what's the point of the penalty clause? If a court is always required to verify your termination, how would that clause ever be applied? Makes no fucking sense. Kuma on twitter (they make some great points btw) said the same thing after the injunction ruling too

[waxen musk]

I'm no closer to understanding ADOR after all this yapping.

[tawdry vessel]

its easy they want to control them and if that doesn't happen they are going to destroy their careers

this is why i want hybes complete downfall to happen

feel bad for other artists but it is what it is

[loud rock]

theyd most likely just pull a fromis and stick them in the basemnt

bc hybe is a lot more focused on bgs bc at least with ive seen bg stans are a lot less likely to boycott

[old cypress]

it's not complicated. If njz loses, their contracts are valid so if they don't wanna be with ador they'll have to terminate and pay the penalty fees. If they win, their contracts are already terminated without paying any penalty fees.

tokkis on twitter are chronically bored so they tend to find a new theory and pov every few days even though absolutely nothing has changed

[clear hill]

Tbh this is likely what would happen to them if they were to go back to Hybe but considering how much they contribute to hybe’s income they’d probably push a lot of ads out of them but 0 music release

[mint elm]

assuke the girls go back to ador, will hybe make the plushies

k so ik it sounds selfish without explanation

but like my brain says theyll go back, the nagotiations seem successful ish

[short laurel]

That's not successful negotiation.

Successful negotiation is finding a middle ground n most likely related to income sharing.

[mint elm]

ok but theres a second nagotiation only if the first was deemed productive by the judge

[short laurel]

Yea but we don't know what it was. But it's for sure not going back to ador

[upbeat stream]

Not necessarily. I think the judge was always gonna hold a 2nd session as long as either side didn't flatly deny any possibility of settlement

Thus the long gap between mediation and ruling

Korean media is unanimously painting it as a failure. This idea that the 2nd session being scheduled means the 1st was successful to some extent was only popular here, even I believed it. But reading korean sources, it seems this is normal regardless of how the mediation went.

We simply don't know enough to say if progress was made or not

[short laurel]

hmm if that's the case, i guess it makes sense why the final verdict date is so far.

[clear hill]

Idek what ur talking ab but probably, Hybe will milk njz dry of money since they are like the second biggest (assuming bts brings lost revenue in)sources of revenue

What plushies r u referring to tho I’m lost 😭

[loud rock]

not rlly i feel like the judge gave them a second hearing so that they can hopefully figure smth out

bc ador wants njz but will give hem the fromis treatment

and njz wants either old ador or perate independantly

[clear hill]

They won’t give them the fromis treatment bc they still have to somehow make money off of them but they’ll definitely be stalled from getting in the studio

Like we barely got any music coming from them the 2 years they were active just imagine how bad the crumbs will be 😭💔

[loud rock]

an occasional ad deal prob

[loud rock]

fraudor gonna give them demos nobody wants

worse then that one poopity scoop kanye song

[clear hill]

Yeah ad deals and ambassadors for brands that kind of thing

But tbh we are assuming that they will work under ador n their termination wasn’t valid

They also said that even if they have to pay the fines they will

[upbeat stream]

Yeah hybe has proven themselves to be vindictive and petty. They will definitely sabotage njz to some extent as revenge for their insolence, if njz goes back

Not enough for it to become a court case again, but in well-planned subtle ways

[clear hill]

Like think of their first bunnies camp treatment but 1000x worse. Just imagine them headlining for a festival or something and when the day arrives they can’t make it. And it’s like that for every single event where they have to perform.

[loud rock]

id feel like theyd do what heyre doing with katseye, overworking them to the point where members are aways injured or sick

bc hybe is def overworking them

[clear hill]

Okay but let’s be fr they’d treat them worse

[loud rock]

kinda like summer sonic osaka cancelling but every event

[upbeat stream]

And to push/ignore certain members to create fracture in our fandom. The unity of tokkis has been a thorn in their side. I have always been happy with how equal the girls were at og ador, in terms of promo, brand deals, line distribution etc

There were minor issues but never too bad. Thus the lack of solos in the fandom. I swear they are the greatest plague in kpop

[clear hill]

I think Hybe overworks all of their ggs (can’t speak for their bgs) and since newjeans were the only one under a different management they couldn’t overwork them which made Hybe very vengeful. They already profit a lot off of newjeans and use up all of their revenue (newjeans pubg collab money going to Hybe gaming subsidiary) so just imagine how low quality their hypothetical comebacks will be lol

[loud rock]

esp since the whole situation, like its been torn, and even worse for feartokkis, oor tokkigllits . bc hybe has def is puttign the fanbases againist eachother

[upbeat stream]

Le sserafim got their first vacation in 3 years recently, while njz literally got long breaks after every era. Idk how only we notice it while kpop fans ignore all this and push the grooming narrative

[clear hill]

This!!! One thing I love about newjeans and the management under og ador is how they never gave any of the members the wonyoung treatment. Newjeans will always be 5 and I like how they all shine together as a group without leaving one person out! Esp in their performances you can really tell their distribution is well thought out

[short laurel]

all idols and employees are overworked there from what we know. bg and gg both

[upbeat stream]

So many hybe idols have talked about exhaustion or have collapsed on stage/practice. So many had to take break due to poor health. The only hiatus njz have had was due to a freak accident to Hyein

[loud rock]

no bc werent ppl boycotting enha bc theyre sending them on another tour while they just finished one

[short laurel]

yes so why u said no ?

[loud rock]

in this case no is used in a form of agreement

[short laurel]

ohk

[upbeat stream]

Touring is the most gruelling schedule possible, yet hybe keeps sending their idols on tours with little to no breaks. That's so inhumane. And their fans brag about hybe's profits

[short laurel]

english is so confusing.

[short laurel]

when svt memebrs had to get IV multiple times. fans just said "it's normal in korea" this's just accepting toxic work culture.

[clear hill]

Newjeans have always been the black sheep of the Hybe groups. They’ve been ostracized since debut before this all happened simply bc of how different they are compared to the rest of the groups. This was inevitable due to mhj’s artistic freedom and overall direction in management in ador. Unfortunately this has been hybe’s tactic from the get-go, since it’s so easy to alienate newjeans they don’t really have to try to make other fandoms go against newjeans

I remember when ppl found out they get a vacation after every comeback + a dorm w a separate room for every member people were livid. They were genuinely mad to see them under fair working conditions and less exploited than the rest of the Hybe groups. It’s crazy

[upbeat stream]

And then people say njz ruined their own career. For not wanting to work and live under hybe's insane pressure cooker. Pisses me off

[clear hill]

I hate how kpop fandoms have normalized exploitation as “idols working hard”. You’ll see them being praised for them being “professional” or working under pressure and worrying about their fans despite hectic schedule but that shouldn’t even be normal. It’s the only fandom that would allow ts 💀

[short laurel]

they should all try to live in the condition trainees are forced to live. infested dorms. they wouldn't last 1 day

or maybe the will since most of the are jobless probably.

[upbeat stream]

[loud rock]

no bc a company that got multimillion dollar bailouts shouldnt be having theyre trainees live in the average studio apartment in brownsville or bed stuy

[mild mist]

Worked for blackpink

[cinder narwhal]

obviously it's a failure since no settlement/agreement was reached. idk what's the big deal of calling it a failure when it technically is

i also dont understand the thought of them returning to hybe without safeguards against dungeoning and everything else discussed above. like what

do yall not think the girls and their lawyers think about that stuff

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/luenacore/status/1956950909918880127

[narrow seal]

250817 luna ୨ৎ (@​luenacore) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/luenacore/status/1956950909918880127
I encourage bunnies and anyone who's curious, to take a look at this website. It details Hanni's entire 'Ignore Her' incident and helps you understand what the real issue was, and not what HYBE made it out to be.

🔗: https://sites.google.com/view/the-bunny-association/hybes-mistreatment-against-mhdhh/ignore-her-incident

[storm warren]

this is really good

the whole timeline and details

they also precisely analyzed ador's actions, kkt chats and so on. if anyone still does not know the details or understand the whole picture, they should read this

[tawdry vessel]

antis cant read or refuse to believe the facts

[feral tapir]

they only want to believe what's making njz look like the bad guys

[waxen musk]

All this talk about mistreatment above and the first thing I see on Twitter this morning is TXT member speaking up about getting hit as trainees. Some people's first comments were "isn't he going to get in trouble for saying that". We're doomed if people automatically think that first.

Gonna have read to that Hanni timeline. Glad someone spent the effort to make that.

Also speaking of reading, 1tokki yet again reminding people that all you have to do is read these long interviews, watch these full press conferences with subtitles, to truly understand what's happening and to understand the girls or MHJ's point of view in a way you can easily empathise with. I'd really love to run a poll on that reddit megathread to ask if they watched at least MHJ's first press conference.

Hearing directly from the source is all I can trust now. It upsets me how media works so horribly. Even if they're not trying to push a certain narrative or be manipulative or being paid by HYBE, there are still examples (even outside of Korea) where just reporting on what someone said somehow gets twisted, or headlines are all that are read and it doesn't fully represent or presents things differently than even what the text in the article says happened.

[feral tapir]

that's why we should never trust 100% what's said on media

should never trust at all actually

[waxen musk]

Tbh it's why the more things get twisted, the more the girls don't even want to say anything (except for literally "sorry" which even that gets twisted ).
And the more they're silent, the less we actually know what's going on from their side. It's a shame.

Everyone assumes so much about the most silent members. I sometimes feel like the only one who really doesn't like all these assumptions. What if they're wrong? Think about that and how the girls will feel.

[waxen musk]

Reading through it now because even my understanding of everything isn't solid.
I got to the part with the nervous security guy again. What ever happened to the recorded evidence from Hanni of him literally saying the clip with no greeting was deleted?

[old cypress]

tokkis been acting like sejong is a bunch of amateurs when it's one of the biggest law firms. Even mino went "oh Sejong did a much better job than we originally gave them credit for" like bruh

[waxen musk]

They have all the information, directly from the girls themselves. They have lifelong experience in the legal field. They know things we can't even imagine. I'll rather trust them than not.

And honestly the same can be said about ADOR's side. We don't know their tactics, but they surely can't be as dumb and cocky as some of us make them out to be.

The amount of distrust in the girls' lawyers simply because we didn't hear (FROM THE MEDIA) everything we wanted to hear, apart from after the third hearing (FROM TOKKIS IN THE AUDIENCE) where we heard everything we hoped they would present, in full. And remember how after the injunction people were complaining about the lawyers.

The distrust is misplaced.

[old cypress]

Kim & Chang is the #1 law firm in korea and they use every dirty trick in the book, it's a tough adversary

[empty halo]

https://x.com/translatingTXT/status/1956785944272761042

💬 (@translatingTXT)

soobin & taehyun talking about them getting hit as trainees as a form of punishment for not dancing well

🐿️🐱💬wow i was really scared when we were practicing for this
🐰 taehyun said that it was really scary practicing for this song and it was really scary!!!
🐰 this was when

X · Aug 16, 2025, 6:31 PM

soobin of txt talking about physical punishment when he was a trainee, under hybe

[old cypress]

hybecels are still defending the company in the qrts

[empty halo]

when danielle opened up about having her eating habits etc tracked by the company when she was a minor and a trainee, you saw people say things like "what did she expect? every idol goes through it"

[old cypress]

they're a lost cause lol

apparently corporal punishment of children got outlawed in 2021, that's probably why hybe stopped doing it

[empty halo]

so child abuse needed to become illegal for them to stop. what an AMAZING company! I LOVE HYBE! 😍

[mild mist]

TAG PR doing their job I see

[waxen musk]

My understanding of everything was more solid than I thought, now after reading it all again. Very nicely presented and easy to understand. Good resource.

[bronze talon]

Same
Let's all debut there and be trainees woohoo!!

[native anchor]

so real

[clear hill]

Probably because we were all discussing the hypothetical of ador winning the lawsuit and the contract termination being deemed invalid. And the fact is they will never be 100% safeguarded from future mistreatment and further scrutinization if they go back to that company EVEN with the old ador back. Preventative measures are put in the first place because there is a threat .

[bronze talon]

Said this before
The climate will not change towards them aka will 99% get worse

[clear hill]

No matter how good of a law firm sejong is at the end of the day they aren’t responsible for anything that happens to them. Their duties as newjeans representative and what they’re being paid to do is to make them win a lawsuit/prevent the worst case scenario from happening. They aren’t fairy godmothers that can fix everything.

[cinder narwhal]

you assume they'll go back if they lose?

why?

[clear hill]

No?Did you actually read what I said lol? I’m just entertaining the hypothetical. I literally stated that the members refuse to go back even if they have to pay the fines

[bronze talon]

No matter the outcome and idc what sejong said a few weeks back at the 3rd hearing
I don't think they even want to go back at all even if the settlement doesn't favour the girls

[heady gate]

Great title "Bang Si-hyuk under siege" https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10555344

[mild mist]

ha, suffer

[full ocean]

LMAO DESERVED

[zealous helm]

Of course they don't want to go back but what else could they do

[warm hollow]

pig finally getting what he deserves!!!

[feral tapir]

people forget about basic human decency when it comes to kpop

[feral tapir]

i don't think newjeans has been through all this just to go back there in the end

[pseudo heath]

Hes such a bum

[storm warren]

has second part too

https://magazine.beattitude.kr/special-interview/artistproject-minheejin-part2-eng/

[old cypress]

a good read

[frosty echo]

found bang PD

(jk)

[empty halo]

and kpop stans have started to normalise things that are abnormal in the normal world but common in kpop
stuff like kbs, disordered eating, etc

theyll look at an idol considered conventionally attractive by western standards and call them ugly bc they dont fit korean standards, despite being from the west themselves 😭

[feral tapir]

literally

[short laurel]

those people needs to look in the mirror xD

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1957302533023773040 does not contain any media!

[naive raft]

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1957307473553244368

[harsh dove]

@MinotaurKard <t:1755493441:d>

So what is this "EStone PEF"?

EStone PEF is a private equity fund founded and managed by former and current HYBE executives. Its purpose was to buy stocks cheaply from the original investors.. convincing them to sell with lines like “we’re not going public for a while” and “we’re looking out for you since you’ve been so loyal all this time.”

So not only did these former and current HYBE executives massively profit from flipping cheap private shares into much higher-priced public stock (dumping them onto everyday investors, including K-pop fans who believed in HYBE’s vision), but they also handed out massive bonuses to each other... including BSH!

And they would have gotten away with it… if someone in the inner circle hadn’t bragged about how they cheated the system! (True story)

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1944923280345104880
Official Sources there

[naive raft]

Good job 3rd times a charm

What the heck whyd it get deleted

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1957305582769340487

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1755492990:d>

[Exclusive] NTS Secures Materials on HYBE-Linked Eastone PE… Tracking a “₩400 Billion Side Deal”? – ③
http://www.fieldnews.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=20563
Field News Reporter Tae Ki-won

The National Tax Service (NTS) is currently conducting a special (non-regular) tax audit into HYBE, and the investigation is expanding to private equity funds that reaped massive profits immediately after HYBE’s stock market debut.

According to Field News coverage on August 18, the NTS, after launching a tax investigation into HYBE headquarters on July 29, has recently begun securing documents related to multiple private equity funds, including Eastone Equity Partners (hereinafter Eastone PE), which has been identified as a key party in HYBE Chairman Bang Si-hyuk’s alleged “₩400 billion side deal.”

Chairman Bang is suspected of violating the Capital Markets Act through fraudulent transactions. In 2019, prior to HYBE’s IPO, he allegedly told existing investors, such as venture capital firms, that there were no plans to go public. Meanwhile, special-purpose companies (SPCs) established by private equity funds linked to him, including Eastone PE, acquired HYBE shares. After HYBE went public, Bang is reported to have received around ₩400 billion (approx. $300 million) in settlement from these funds.

Eastone PE purchased HYBE’s old shares from existing shareholders in 2019 and then sold them right after HYBE’s 2020 IPO, generating enormous profits, before closing down the following year. Police and financial authorities suspect that Eastone PE paid Bang a portion of these stock-sale profits under a concealed agreement, and they are investigating the matter.

Industry observers interpret the expansion of this audit as a sign that the NTS intends to closely examine Bang’s alleged side deal. With both police and the Financial Supervisory Service’s special judicial police already investigating, pressure on HYBE appears to

[red thorn]

Incoming PapaBearDidNoWrong #

[mild mist]

Nah reddit will just ignore this

[cinder narwhal]

hitler could come back from the dead and produce songs for bts and army would still eat it up

[clear hill]

Isn’t it so ironic how mhj gets taunted by the media and groo ming allegations for saying “she birthed newjeans” and how she’s the “mother of newjeans” but bsh gets praised for being the father of bts 😐 knetz and kpop stans misogyny will never fail to show

[short laurel]

doesn't is basically confirms it? like he n the executives should be arrest immediately.

[feral tapir]

[short laurel]

so true.

[short laurel]

just how long untill the word "allegedly" is removed from these articles.

[mild mist]

Depends how long the lawyers can obstruct I guess

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1957305582769340487?t=DS6LlsYoFJsOreCvF_VhmQ&s=33

1tokki (@juantokki)

[Exclusive] NTS Secures Materials on HYBE-Linked Eastone PE… Tracking a “₩400 Billion Side Deal”? – ③
https://t.co/sZD3OlR0UI
Field News Reporter Tae Ki-won

The National Tax Service (NTS) is currently conducting a special (non-regular) tax audit into HYBE, and the

X · Aug 18, 2025, 4:56 AM

[old cypress]

lol

[lament delta]

I'm sorry I've lost all hope

[fathom onyx]

nooo get back ur hope

[empty halo]

for what

[warm hollow]

naurrrr 😭😭💔💔

[lament delta]

What else

Cudnt be obvious when constant negativity gets to u

[empty halo]

winning? thats if the case even continues and they dont settle. and even if they lose, they can terminate their contracts and move on. theyll just receive backlash and lose some money

[lament delta]

Ud wait for 5 years

[empty halo]

i get it, people love piling on njz but remember it's never AS bad as they make it out to be. theyre not gonna go to jail 😭

[lament delta]

Legit never said that

[empty halo]

u wont have to, if they lose theyll probably pay the termination fee ador so desperately wants them to pay.

[empty halo]

I never said u said it 😭
im just saying people act like everything's gonna fall apart and they're gonna get jailed or something. even if they lose (which we don't know if they will), its truly not that bad

its bad, but its not as horrible as hybecels make it out to be

[pseudo heath]

yeah they'll make it worse than it seems in hopes of making people lose their faith 🫠

[clear hill]

I know it’s hard but just stop looking at what kpop communities have to say

[heady gate]

I am excited to see HYBE Corp and BSH's new development in the next three weeks. 😅

[clear hill]

Also supporting the girls never had an end goal. And as hard as that may be that also means being okay with the possibility of them not being idols for a while/making music.

Stan culture/idol culture makes this really hard so I get it. That’s why being in kpop fandoms/communities is kinda toxic to begin with, you’ll slowly normalize the idea of endless consumption. Let’s just enjoy the beauty that is newjeans.

[old cypress]

no, tokkis do that to themselves so they won't be disappointed when shit goes south

[inland glade]

uhm i love the message you’re trying to get across! but the termination fee is hundreds of millions of dollars 😭

[short laurel]

i wonder where people get hundreds of millions of dollars.

[inland glade]

i hope this isn’t about me? but it’s literal common sense that no idol ever will have the kind of money to pay such a huge fee

and the girls stated that they have no intention of paying it either

[heady gate]

We are trash talking here. Let's see the new development on Sep 11.

[short laurel]

1. estimate by media doesn't mean anything.
2. court will make it reasonable amount, something that girls can pay.

3. that's why we don't know what actual amount would be.

4. it'll likely be undisclosed amount.
5. this all is assuming girl will lose but they can win too or might just settle out of court. lets not assume that they'll loose.

[heady gate]

3 more weeks to go

[empty halo]

and the courts would probably reduce those fees to appropriate amounts, and that is if

1. they dont mediate and settle and court proceedings continue
2. they lose the case

the fact that both parties were willing to have another second mediation meeting after presumably not coming to a satisfying conclusion in one tells me that theyre both interested in settling

[heady gate]

August 22 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music

[inland glade]

fair point

[zealous helm]

If the girls do get out of ador, do you think they would go indie or look to get signed elsewhere?

[native anchor]

i think

theyd prob work with mhj

[hollow sorrel]

they'd probably sign somewhere else but under the conditions that MHJ would still be in charge of them

all their songs do well on sreaming platform and all their albums are million sellers so I think a lot of record labels will be wanting to sign them if they leave HYBE

[fathom onyx]

true

[storm warren]

I think MHJ will create her own label

its always better to be your own self's boss

[red thorn]

Industry expert could analyst plausibility between both but in the end they won't know the internal factor

[heady gate]

same as Taylor

[bronze talon]

idk how much and if she gets money off those legal fights she has as well but if she does win and get money there should be a good chunk for her to be used for an own label no?

[storm warren]

yeah and she will have no problem finding investor if needed too. hope she wins her case

she has experience now and knows how much label needs and she is very efficient with budget

ador still has the healthiest asset/debt ratio thanks to her

[bronze talon]

if njz doesnt want to run into the same issue again they might want to consider a joint venture no?

tbh it sounds logical on paper but idk what vision the members have for their musical career stuff
speaking they themselves form a new label co founded with mhj, she leads the creative direction and then they just get distributors like warner or universal to get into japan and the global market more "easy"
might be pretty expensive especially in this industry tho

[cerulean lake]

*if there is no corruption behind the scenes and they actually punish him for once

[cerulean lake]

literally. ik it’s not a great mindset but i’ll rather not have high hopes and then be faced with disappointment than have high hopes and then be faced with disappointment

i blame it all on the injunction 🫩

[storm warren]

yes, they will both put their money to create company, that means njz will have solid and secure place for themselves. nothing changes from what they did at ador. remember that labels pay for everything in exchange for hybe services

mhj will naturally be ceo rather than creative director

they can sign distribution deal with Kakao/CJ/Dreamus/Warner, not YG Plus as HYBE has shares in it for Korean and worldwide distribution

However, you are right. These companies give discount on distribution deal only to their sublabels and affiliates

USA and Japan works same for everyone, they have to sign either only distribution deal or directly sign w company for both activities and distribution

much more freedom than HYBE where everyone is forced to be under UMG Geffen

and everyone has to pay HYBE Japan for handling marketing, merchandise, events and so on in Japan

the only reason why HYBE japan is profitable label is because they receive money from HYBE labels for services they do for them

They also take money from touring. Remember MHJ did not use them for Bunnies Camp 2024 instead used Japanese company. Park Jiwon even said they were not aware they were doing Tokyo Dome concert and woukd assist them blablabla and then they wanted to take credit for promotions

it will not be easy by any means but if u want certain level of freedom, it is worth it

[bronze talon]

this is what im reading from latest gpt deep search module

deal templates (what to demand — 5 clauses)

• Masters revert to LabelCo after a term or revenue cap; no catalog sale without 4/5 board vote.
• Creative control sits with CCO (Min HJ) subject to member veto on image/health/time.
• Transparent recoup waterfall: advances → video → marketing → manufacturing; monthly dashboards.
• Territory carve‑outs if local partners outperform (JP/CN rights can be split).
• MDF & audit rights guaranteed; non‑performance → step‑in or termination without penalty.

https://chatgpt.com/s/t_68a3b0aadd8481919086cee0a2ea87c0

read for yourself if interested on what could be next for them

ofc everything with a grain of salt and there can be mistakes

[storm warren]

you have mhj assigned as solely creative here which wont be the case, also company stake percentage will depend on how much each side will invest etc. regardless, njz will sign contract on great terms esp if they are putting their money in company and esp after everything they wont sign anything with disadvantageous terms

[bronze talon]

yea they def dont wanna risk anything after this anymore

[storm warren]

naturally, especially when it comes to creative control, penalty fee, ip/masters and profit distribution ratio

it naturally should be miles better than their contract at old ador

[bronze talon]

it should be a "all the benefits for them" type contract

[storm warren]

just put minji as ceo

[bronze talon]

real

[storm warren]

i dont think there is any label that can realistically house them atm, thats why creating their own is the best option

[pseudo heath]

Do they got funds for that

[storm warren]

we are raising money on gofundme

[bronze talon]

there would be a hefty investment in staff and all that if they chose to go for a small label right now

only disadvantage on smaller ones they dont have connections or the people to distribute the music and stuff like merchandise well as other big labels

[upbeat stream]

If Beast/Highlight could sustain their own label, and they did so very well

then newjeans can too, no problem

[storm warren]

mhj does not lack industry connection. it will be advantageous if they get good investor tbh

[pseudo heath]

I pray some ethical multimillionaire invests into njz

[upbeat stream]

Idk why some tokkis think it's so difficult. njz barely relied on hybe at all (other than some funding and promo, which they can sign distribution deal for)

They had their own team for everything else at ador

[storm warren]

njz barely relied on hybe bc services hybe offered were subpar and there was obvious favoritism inside company even tho ador paid the most among labels

[bronze talon]

but isnt having a label with such people from the start not more advantageous? ofc she has connection and everyone well damn knows njz and want to collab/work with them

[upbeat stream]

Even for stuff like Tokyo Dome, they worked with a different promoter from everyone else at hybe

[upbeat stream]

Most top kpop labels don't sign artists at all, they create groups. The ones left simply aren't good enough for njz

[bronze talon]

i mean people with connections that are already in talks with many artists or companies before
if youre in a small company you might miss those from the start and it could take longer

[upbeat stream]

Maybe something like this could work: Give Kakao minority stake (30-40%), retain control and sign a promotion/distribution deal with them

[storm warren]

all labels are shit genuinely

[bronze talon]

💀

[bronze talon]

this is what i mean basically

[storm warren]

Kakao type of conglomerate is good option, they wont interfere as long as u print money

[upbeat stream]

Yeah kakao labels are truly independent. IU pretty much does what she wants, same with Starship

[storm warren]

CJ is another, their entertainment division has been tanking for a while tho and had to sell Belift lab shares

i will take Kakao over CJ any day lolz

[bronze talon]

refer to IU yes
theres so many artists i saw having songs distributed under kakao like soooo many

tho idk how they handle shares especially kpop groups
are there any / many in the first place? (under kakao)

[storm warren]

kakao is distributor thats why

because kakao is actual tech company, they are not obsessed over micro managing every subsidiary esp ent ones

thats why they get to be free at certain level

[bronze talon]

good option on paper then

[storm warren]

or private investor

someone nobody would know

[bronze talon]

"good luck" finding someone whos willing to invest millions

[pseudo heath]

maybe i should step in

[bronze talon]

🤨

[upbeat stream]

As long as money is flowing, kakao dgaf. If a label is doing poorly, they will re-structure/merge/split etc and create a whole mess. But njz would be fine

[storm warren]

its not hard tbh there are a lot who are putting money in entertainment business

[bronze talon]

we dont know but im 99.9% sure they will lol

[storm warren]

they will be investing for

1. njz, main asset and their value
2. mhj who printed money for hybe and proved she can be great ceo
3. future groups

[bronze talon]

i mean their whole image is so popular amongst koreans

[storm warren]

they will never find better investment option

[bronze talon]

get trainees with good conditions into the company real

[upbeat stream]

Also, kakao hates hybe. So they might be even more interested in investing for njz

[bronze talon]

wait what actually? why

[upbeat stream]

Hybe sent their founder to jail. I'm sure he wants to get back at them any way he can

[old cypress]

mhj already said investors are flocking to njz

[storm warren]

i think he went to jail for different thing

not for what issue they had w hybe

[upbeat stream]

He went for SM stock manipulation. Bang Si-hyuk was one of the main whistleblowers and the whole conflict was hybe vs kakao, who each wanted to acquire SM

[storm warren]

iirc he purchased Baram Pictures for more than it was actually worth

thats why he was arrested

[old cypress]

and njz won't need that much money anyway, they're not a new group. They just need funds to setup the company and redebut. If it's a matter of 1 or 2 million usd, they won't have any trouble finding people

[bronze talon]

and they have their own money as well
idk how much they got paid over the 3+ years but it has to be plenty to invest some of it at least into it
maybe itd make them feel proud to "release" their own thing

[upbeat stream]

No it was due to the SM stock rigging I'm pretty sure. I remember reading articles about it back then

[old cypress]

dunno how much they still have after all the legal fees

[bronze talon]

true that

[storm warren]

maybe im confusing two cases bc kakao executives got arrested recently

[old cypress]

granted if they win, legal fees should be repaid to them at least

just assuming but i think the main hope is mhj's put option

[storm warren]

everything's uncertain for now

cant even dream after injunction

[empty halo]

doesnt bana (their producers under old ador) have a label

[red thorn]

250 and FRNK are under BANA, the label
But in a sense they're more like crew than a label

[clear hill]

This like a lot of ppl were being so dramatic saying that their careers were done bc no other label would want to sign them like let’s be so fr. Kpop industry has been rlly dead/on a plateau without newjeans and this sentiment isn’t just shared in the bunny fandom but a lot of people think so as well.

2025 has been a bad year for kpop and we all know why

[cinder narwhal]

did yall like pit stop or did you think it was missing that "magic" older songs had (me)

[upbeat stream]

I can't form an opinion on it without a better version, the audio at complex con was a total mess

It's like 50% noise

[cinder narwhal]

ah yeah that's exactly where i formed my opinion on

[red thorn]

Still got the beat
But yeah desperately need to listen the allness of the song clearly

[empty halo]

oh BANA is the name of the label not the producer mb 😭

[short laurel]

https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1957436046100025827?t=XpBVDAz2xUBIeKJcDD-h6g&s=19
Tf

webelieveingwarosa (@webelieveinbots)

UPDATE: the ammount pocketed in total through this fraud is expected to be around 1,4 trillion won ( 1,009,653,120.00 usd)

X · Aug 18, 2025, 1:34 PM

[empty halo]

incredible

[native anchor]

Crazy

[raven kelp]

i loved pit stop even with all the noise. def feel like it could've been in the album with the unreleased demo. also, i felt like pit stop had some elements from Get Up so to me the magic is still there

i wanted to get this all out of me. we didn't really get to talk about pit stop beacuse of the timing with everything

[feral tapir]

holy shit

tf would he even do with that much money

gimme some

[mild mist]

Start streaming and he might

[empty halo]

if it was released in get up, everyone would pretty much like it tbh

i cant get over how people made fun of the members for saying "breathe before i speed" and "go hyein" as if they havent done chants like that before in performances too, and nobody said anything 😭

[short laurel]

Not him alone, with the other executives

[feral tapir]

that's still too much money

what would they do with all that

it's so stupid

[cinder narwhal]

i liked the demo from the get-go.
i hope we pit stop as a proper release even as a bside

[raven kelp]

youre so so right!! the way that shit pissed me off

they WILL release pit stop mv the moment things are settled

...please god

[feral tapir]

it's funny how everyone was hating on hanni for being a liar and now they're starting to see the truth and weird enough i see more people being supportive now

fcking clowns

[mild mist]

Gambling

[zealous helm]

there was this ai fixed version that sounded quite like the real thing

i personally liked it but it did sound empty at times

it does lack a good hook though which idrc abt but ik some people will

[short laurel]

can say that about every billionaire or multi millionaires.

[feral tapir]

yup

[cinder narwhal]

yes to both of your points. that's how i feel, that's the magic missing

maybe it's unfinished. looking forward to the finished release

[midnight yarrow]

This Harin girl making her trainee contract public through Lee Jinho of all people today is not the tea she thought it would be. Clearly not being put in the final lineup was the right call

[feral tapir]

is she tryna shade newjeans?

[cinder narwhal]

imo bunnies should stop giving this girl attention. no offense..

[midnight yarrow]

She's chasing clout and clearly being used by HYBE to smear MHJ and NJ. Too bad it isn't working

[short laurel]

wait she shared her trainee contract today ?

[midnight yarrow]

Yes

[hollow sorrel]

Lee Jinho leaked the contract and pretended it was an idol contract or something no? So they lied about her being in the final lineup only to share her trainee contract being terminated (which can happen to any trainee contract so????)

[short laurel]

question is was she really under ador or just N-team. cuz i was under the impression that MHJ only took 5 girls from N-team to ador.

[hollow sorrel]

the answer is probably in her first press conference, but what's really weird to me is that Lee Jinho has pictures of the contract??? Did current ADOR provide it to him or how did he even get those

[midnight yarrow]

I don't think it even matters. Trainees get cut all the time for every kpop group ever. This is the stalest tea

[short laurel]

ik. i m asking cuz i m curious.

[hollow sorrel]

yeah and Garam was literally kicked out of the group after being an ACTUAL idol so it's so funny when those fandoms come for MHJ for not choosing a trainee in the final lineup

[short laurel]

like if we wanna make drama out of this, should attack hybe for not selecting all the contestant of both survival show under bethief.

[short laurel]

wait it says that she agrees to terminate the contract. so she agreed to it by signing it. 🤷‍♂️

[storm warren]

this lol this is so stale like what we are supposes to do with this info

she was trainee, didnt make it

and there are million trainees who didnt either to million other groups and?

they wanna pretend this is scandalous and how

[midnight yarrow]

It's so stupid when literally every HYBE girl group prior to NewJeans had a cut member

Even going back to GLAM

[zealous helm]

was that girl one of the ones in the leaked attention dance practice?

[midnight yarrow]

Yes

[short laurel]

Every idol groups

[heady gate]

Are these pictures legitimate? I don't trust anything from Lee Jinho.

[old cypress]

it could be false yes. If it's legit, it came from either Harin or Ador

[heady gate]

Someone is trying to distract us away from HYBE and BSH's cases.

[red thorn]

I think in her defense this prove that she was an ador trainee
But ljh stirred the narration into something else

[heady gate]

bc NJ is famous, and its articles receive attention. 14 years ago, headlines often read "XYZ, who almost debuted with SNSD (Girls Generation)" or "Celebrities Who Almost Became SNSD Members"

[waxen musk]

I really don't understand what any of the people involved in this situation are trying to achieve. I also kind of really don't care.

[short laurel]

and snsd really didn't like it

[short laurel]

clout

[empty halo]

her talking about how she "almost" debuted w nwjns was viral for like 2 days. shes trying to cash off of it atp, tbh i can't rlly blame her

simply using nwjns' name brings in a lot of money for people lmao

[raven kelp]

if she's in the wrong, mhj's shaman did a great job

[red thorn]

Her story as "nj debut lineup" been exist even before that interview, people took issue whether she is truly ex ador trainee or not escalated into I think unfair backlash and hatred
To me this was simply "she and her own story" type of thing talk, glorification of past struggle that common for career reputation
Just some people use this as advantage

[heady gate]

Yes, I believe she trained with NJ member. But if she was debuted, that means someone from the current team has to be rejected. Tag PR is trying distract our attention away from MHJ's case on Aug 22.

[red thorn]

I refuse or rather avoid accusing she has ill intent or something. She liked comments that shade nj? She liked every comment in her ig and I most likely barely read it or translate and probably managed by the agency too

[copper jetty]

Honestly I don't get why this trainee issue is a big deal to some. It's a nothing burger. Just Tag trying to distract us from aug 22 hearing.

Also, who wants to bet that upcoming mhj vs soumu gets delayed again?

[empty halo]

after being a trainee under a company for years and not getting to debut + being indebted to them, you have every right to tell ur story and profit off of that clout. but the fact that it was so close to the mediation meeting + her giving her contract to that incel jee jinho (thats his name if I'm not wrong) is shady

she doesnt deserve hate bc she did train w them and shes not lying by saying it but the timing is shady 🤷‍♂️

[midnight yarrow]

Giving her information and telling her story to Lee Jinho completely invalidates any defense of that girl. Yes, let's use the misogynistic incel HYBE mouth piece, whose entire purpose is attacking women, including being a direct cause of Kim Saeron taking her life, to tell your story.

I have no pity for her now.

[short laurel]

Ooh lee jinho is that guy. That's messed up.

[heady gate]

Is a contract considered a confidential document? Does it constitute a trade secret?

[copper jetty]

If it has confidentiality clauses or a separate NDA then yes it's considered to be confidential, but a contract doesn't necessarily have to have one. So no, not all contracts are confidential.

[rugged dagger]

oh say it ditto 🥀

[zealous helm]

goat song

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/A_MaizingBlue/status/1957817335793774693

AmaizingBlue (@A_MaizingBlue)

If I say the only reason that trainee thing blew up is because some of y’all can’t let shit die on its own and probably commented on her socials would I be wrong? Now let’s learn from that and not do it this time 😂

X · Aug 19, 2025, 2:50 PM

[red thorn]

What made you confident think this is her side giving the contract bc there's possibility it's ador side giving the source, she would've no saying in this bc this benefits her too to justified her bio chage that she isn't lying
And again , the interview was nothing over a month ago until people use that as advantage, stirred more narration
And again I'd rather avoid auto backlash and I still have the pity seeing disgusting comments just towards her from some people that confident accuse her of something, it's kinda bug me to not to care
I'll stop here.

[upbeat stream]

Employee b, shakatak and Harin. What do they have in common? They are all hybe psyops. That's all I'll say

[bronze talon]

reminds me of this
ofc not on topic but yes https://fxtwitter.com/miragurl13/status/1945512714656485798

미럽유 (@miragurl13)

told yall hybe doesn’t like anything successful if it wasn’t from them

Quoting pannchoa (@pannchoa)
︀
HYBE's CEO Lee Jaesang warns Koreans to not be too patriotic over the success of Squid Game overseas

**💬 48 🔁 4.7K ❤️ 39.1K 👁️ 1.31M **

FxTwitter · Jul 16, 2025, 3:55 PM

[upbeat stream]

Korea Inc. is so mad they have no involvement with kdh

It's funny to see

[feral tapir]

100% gonna flop

[upbeat stream]

Meanwhile on korean communities, everyone is glad it's Sony and not a korean studio since none of them are even close to Sony's quality

[red thorn]

Hybe didn't know what gonna hit them, Teddy from TBL creeped out from the dark involved as one of the key figures of kdh

[mint elm]

to be honest he made a good point

squis game is so overrated, and tbh i feel like the korean wave is dying down

[feral tapir]

second season was mid compared to the first one

[mint elm]

yea

[mint elm]

anybody else feel this? i dont hear many kdrama or kpop fans asm in the west

[bronze talon]

me when covid is disappearing

[mint elm]

nah im srs

[red thorn]

I don't think it's necessarily dying down
Kpop and K-drama now became part of commodity, it's not something 'alien' anymore too for normies

[upbeat stream]

You're saying this just as kdh is ruling netflix as well as music charts worldwide

[mint elm]

dying down doesnt mean dead, but i do feel like in 2018 bts and bp was more well known than the groups that r popular rn

popular doesnt mean good btw, but it was still popular

[feral tapir]

agreed‼️

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, perhaps no group will match them. It's like lightning in a bottle moment

However, korean wave continues to have surprising smashes every once in a while

I don't think it's dying at all, just constantly shifting

[mint elm]

i used to think mine was the generation where k-culture would outperform j culture

but i feel like anime is more popular than kpop nowadays

but then again i am a guy japan has always been more popular w men and korea w women

[upbeat stream]

Of course, anime is so deeply ingrained across the world for far longer though, it's kinda unfair to compare

[mint elm]

5 years ago kpop was growing much more rapidly than anime tho and anime was stagnant

[upbeat stream]

Btw kdh is about to become the most watched movie of all time on netflix. That's just insane, for a movie with no marketing and no hype before release

[mint elm]

i mean yea parasite was also a hit a while ago

maybe im getting this wrong: kpops declining but k culture isnt

notably kdrama

[upbeat stream]

That I can get behind. Kpop is definitely declining, 5th gen especially has failed to find its feet

[cinder narwhal]

newjeans could have... or at least close to that 😭 😭

i remember saying to my normie friends that newjeans was the next big thing

[mint elm]

they coulda been bruh

dude unironically i swear they woulda been 5th gen bts

the most large and passionate fanbase of kpop in like 7 years

[feral tapir]

same and my relatives were like "these groups can't last more than 3 years they're not even famous nobody knows them"

[cinder narwhal]

they jinxed nj smh

[mint elm]

right conclusion wrong premises 🤣

[old cypress]

people said korean wave is dying down meanwhile KDH is beating all records

[loud rock]

tbh i feel like harin is just bitter not a hybe psyop

[upbeat stream]

Lee Jin-ho is what gives it away

[waxen musk]

I see the Blackpink girls here in London being the huge celebs they are basically not having the freedom to walk the streets like a normal person and I wonder to myself if I would want that for the NewJeans girls.

[loud rock]

closest thing i could have was momoland

but thats before njz and they had teasers

[upbeat stream]

While they were mega viral, it was only 2 hits, njz was consistenly smashing

[mint elm]

in north america at least they feel less relevant than b4

[upbeat stream]

kdh is actually doing better in America than Europe or much of Asia

Just look at US spotify, completely ruled by them

I think kdh has far bigger franchise potential than Squid Game

[mint elm]

i hope so

im not wishing bad on yall bruh im an niz fan

[loud rock]

NO esp knowing how blinks act

[cinder narwhal]

who said anything about blinks

[heady gate]

The profit is substantial. I expect K-pop companies to partner with animation producers for Netflix movies.

[upbeat stream]

Nah I get that, you are partially correct. Kpop and kdrama are both down from their peak but korean wave always finds new ways to stay relevant. This time it's an animated movie. Next it could be a video game or whatever idk

It's not declining

[heady gate]

Are u talking about declining sale or streaming or export?

[upbeat stream]

I'm talking about decline of korean wave, not any specific metric

I don't think it's going down

[heady gate]

I read the first half of the year report from Circle Chart. K-pop export is down 9%. Global K-pop streaming is rising.

[mint elm]

unironically korea carried league of legends but like thats dying too so im not sure

[upbeat stream]

The thing is, netflix doesn't have much use of korean companies because none of them are globally competitive when it comes to animation.

[mint elm]

ik league isnt a korean game but usually the culture is v much centered around korean players

[upbeat stream]

That's why they are so salty, I have seen articles in korean media saying it's so regrettable that there's no korean company involved with kdh lol

[mint elm]

hopefully another game or koreans get good at val i dont like league

[old cypress]

there's a LOT of complete normies getting into korean culture

[red thorn]

This might sound overstatement but give the more years they might defined as 5th starter/ encompass instead stay as 4th gen

[heady gate]

Correct. That is why they may partner with Sony or Paramount

[old cypress]

like my extended family they'd suddenly talk about kdramas and stuff

[mint elm]

i think its become normalized but that doesnt necesarily mean popular, it just means not new

[upbeat stream]

Even Pubg despite being a korean game doesn't really count as "korean culture"

[mint elm]

rock is normalized but its nowhere near as popular as kpop was in 2015 despite kpop not being normalized back then

[waxen musk]

Yeah when older family and random people start mentioning Korean stuff, when you see Korean food just easily available in all major shops, it's very much becoming more prevalent.

I do feel weird about KDH though. I feel like nobody I know in real life has bothered watching it. It's technically so popular, but at the same time, I suspect it's really only younger people who care. My only public exposure to it was a random kid singing one of the songs passing through my work.

[mint elm]

i mean yea old ppl kinda enter a certain age and they dont bother learning abt new things its kinda sad

its at least partly why i disagree w east asian “respect ur elder” bs not much reason an older persons viewpoint is more correct than an intelligent person

or a well charactered person

[heady gate]

It is a family movie. Any family with young children are welcome.

[upbeat stream]

Barring few exceptions, animation is always more popular with kids. Several of my friends have watched it though. Also, kids stream music largely on youtube, not spotify. If you look at spotify charts, there are no kids songs ever. So the fact that kdh is ruling spotify means it's fairly popular with adults too

[mint elm]

why do me and Baron always take opposite stances on everything

[heady gate]

I went to the pool and heard many children aged 5 to 11 singing "Golden".

[upbeat stream]

Because kids want visuals while adults often listen passively

[mint elm]

nah but fr i swear ive always disagreed w u, i dont dislike u tho we keep it polite

[red thorn]

When you're older it's about taste and choice factor
You have a choice to still watch stuff with "kiddy" value such as shounen stuff or tokusatsu or leaving that

[upbeat stream]

I agree that it's far more popular with kids definitely

[heady gate]

Golden has 7.7M daily stream. It will break 600M in late Sep.

[mint elm]

Ive always said 2015 kpop was 1990s anime fans where theres a silent majority thats into it

[waxen musk]

Unfortunately my parents and people their age still just lump in any East Asian culture as "Chinese" and has no ability to distinguish.

[mint elm]

k but thats a good example right, the avg old person is far less open to new ideas

[upbeat stream]

GTA in the early 2000s was ignored as just teen stuff. And then it became the biggest thing ever in the 2010s

[waxen musk]

Those teens were the people who grew up with it and became the adults in the 2010s. Wonder if that'll happen with K-pop, where right now it feels like it's 14-22 year olds where it's most popular. I'm such a weird outlier.

[mint elm]

also ppl r kinda ignorant like genetically similiar doesnt mean culturally

[waxen musk]

I give them the example every single time they make a mistake about the country something is from by comparing two very different European countries that are close to each other. They never learn, though!

[mint elm]

i kinda buy into a worldview where theres countries that are in groups and the jump between anyone within the group is noticably less than the jump outside

northern europe, southern europe, eastern europe, middle east, east asia, indian subcontinent etc

[waxen musk]

Obviously lol

[mint elm]

yea

like iran and morroco r diff but the jump between either of them and japan is muchhh higher than between each other

[waxen musk]

Weird example but yes.

[red thorn]

There was KDA before KDH, and I think Riot did it right bc it had impact on brought normies into kpop

[mint elm]

(im iranian)

[waxen musk]

I only said weird because geographically they're pretty far apart.

[mint elm]

i mean again koreans dominate league it makes sense to taylor it to then, if anything someone in the njz server should know this

remember worlds 2023

[waxen musk]

I don't remember worlds, I remember GODS.

(I don't care about LoL.)

I think I was somewhat aware of KDA but back then didn't even associate it with a thing called K-pop. I was clueless.

Same for Gangnam Style. It was just a Korean song. I didn't give a second thought to it being part of a whole genre and different industry.

[red thorn]

Makes sense bc after the idea materialized

[waxen musk]

BTS and Blackpink literally never reached me when they were popular. Which is weird.

There's always going to be some crazy popular things in this world, where there's still a good chance you speak to someone who has no idea about it. Happens all the time with YouTube videos that get hundreds of millions of views, as an example. I feel like very rarely these days things get to the level of the most famous 1980s music artists where just literally everyone in the world knows who Michael Jackson is.

[upbeat stream]

Same. I got into kpop with IU because I watched hotel del luna and loved it. I knew about BTS and Blackpink, and many of my friends are kpop fans, but I paid no attention to it

[waxen musk]

My exposure to all of it is so unique and very weird in terms of my age. Not typical at all, which is why I like talking about this even though I have no idea where this topic is going and has gone so off topic.

Anyway I quickly mentioned it above, but I can't help but wonder if becoming BTS famous is something at all desirable for the NewJeans girls after already reaching the point they did. They always felt so humble and almost unaware of how popular they were. Like the surprise reaction to the crowd singing to their songs at Lollapalooza as an example.

[heady gate]

I just discovered Big Bang from MAMA 2024. 😅

[waxen musk]

I think their more grounded and genuine personality really conflicts with this idea of them ever becoming that popular. It feels weird to me.

It's not about deserving it or not, or wanting it or not. It's just a feel thing.

[red thorn]

Bts and bp are those rarity, kids and their ancestors heard or know them

[waxen musk]

That's the thing, I don't think they can ever even reach that point. Where I'm not exaggerating but I mean when everyone in the world knows them. I don't think it's possible these days.

As fascinating it is to talk about this topic as a whole, it does become an obsession and a focus that overshadows the artistry. But I don't know what I even expect from the girls' comeback in the future. I think before NJZ performed Pit Stop, I was wondering the same thing and just couldn't see them being anywhere near as popular. But now, after most the year passing and NewJeans still being viral on TikTok all the time and people mentioning them alongside totally unrelated groups, I just can't see their relevancy dropping any time soon, something I thought would have happened by now.

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1957965416103637255

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

Official - No one wants to buy HYBE linked bonds from Netmarble

Given the uncertainty of future stock price along with the risk of ownership from BSH, NH (Nonghyup Bank) Hedge Asset Management and the LP's have backed out of this deal

https://t.co/Tpg861vB0b

Yikes

X · Aug 20, 2025, 12:38 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1957965416103637255 does not contain any media!

[waxen musk]

Was wondering when we'd start hearing people becoming distrustful in putting money in HYBE. Took a while for people to start feeling off about them.

[red thorn]

When grandparents say to the kids "you always watch Naruto" or "you always listen BTS" while in fact the kids are just watch or listen any kpop and anime then that's lifetime achievement for the artist or creator

[cerulean lake]

literally don’t get how that guy can still have his platform.

he’s like the epitome of evil mediaplay and while his platform should’ve been shut down a long time ago, i feel like the breaking point should have been when he literally caused kim saeron to be severely harassed. he was getting sm backlash but still had the audacity to continue his content even after “apologizing” 😀

welp considering his connections with higher ups at bighit, im not even surprised at this point 🫩 that guy needs his karma fs

[cinder narwhal]

because people still pay attention to him 😂

[short laurel]

Unless it's drugs or gf/bf, koreans doesn't cancel these ppl.

[cerulean lake]

shows how the problem lies in the society too

[cerulean lake]

the truth behind hybe needs to be spread even more 🫩✊

they still have too much dominance over the media internationally and in korea. worse that these kpop fandoms and bsh fans are doing free promo for them too

[frozen granite]

Free my girls !!!

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1957993749683814713?t=7DyRlrDvneBrEWZu9Rdr6g&s=19-c

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

so what you’re seeing here is kinda wild: netmarble, which has historically been one of hybe’s strongest allies (both family + business ties), is now pulling back financial moves because bang si-hyuk’s scandal tanked hybe’s stock...oh and netmarble's ceo is bang pd's cousin..🙃

X · Aug 20, 2025, 2:31 AM

Ok so I'm reading through this and it seems that this EB was supposed to pay for some of the debt during SpinX acquisition in 2021.

Not to mention i think some of Hybe's debts are also maturing by the end of 2025 (Anyone correct me if I'm wrong) where they actually put some of the labels as collateral (Source, Pledis?). I don't know if what they sold were stocks but the name of the subsidiary was on the collateral.

Lmao, imagine if MHJ also wins the contract dispute and somehow manages to get ahold of her put option despite hybe doing everything for them not to pay...

Now that would be Karma.

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1957991630847504440?t=yI8SVdSYhZxWozE066333w&s=19

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

There’s been some slight misunderstanding about this, so I’ll break it down. No, BSH’s cousin didn’t leave him. It’s far far far worse than that

Netmarble needs cash, quickly. So they asked NH (one of Korea’s biggest banks) Asset Management to find financial and institutional

X · Aug 20, 2025, 2:22 AM

[cinder narwhal]

i need a lawyer to tell me if it's possible for her to regain her put options

it's one of those things I'm actually curious about

[upbeat stream]

I'm not sure but I think she would if she wins the shareholders agreement lawsuit

[copper jetty]

We don't know what's in her contract and so far, the hearings are still ongoing. If she does win though, then yes, she's entitled to that payment.

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1958035291757060140?t=E51LWUKL9YylgT9PYadxIw&s=33

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

@Bamgfg that is possible but the problem is they need cash to pay the bills, right away, hence why they issued this in the first place and we know why this was cancelled and the information does seem legit because this piece of article was released a day earlier behind a 200k krw month

X · Aug 20, 2025, 5:16 AM

What is mino talking about here? I get the other details but what article was released?

[mild mist]

They're referring back to here
https://xcancel.com/MinotaurKard/status/1957965416103637255#m

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/hahagatung/status/1958028900954697977

할말 (@hahagatung)

I’ve already told you not to do free PR. If I need to, I’ll repeat it another 95 times.

X · Aug 20, 2025, 4:50 AM

bunnies don't be baited challenge failed

[clear hill]

No just u probably 💀 squid game is actually really good

[clear hill]

Maybe by western demand but anime has been a huge part of ppl’s childhood for a looooong time

[clear hill]

I disagree, a lot of ppl hate on army’s,blinks and once’s for being annoying about their favs but that’s literally how bunnies are for 4th gen kpop fandoms

[clear hill]

I think it’s just bc east Asia has been trending for a while now

[clear hill]

Um no???😭rock was such an influential part of the 80s-Y2K. It has influenced MANY genres and generations. Kpop has extended its reach into the west only in the mid 2010s but rock has been prevalent in the west and east far longer than bts.

[native anchor]

saying that while elvis presley was a thing is crazy

[clear hill]

Probably because it’s kinda cringy and unless you’re into kpop/into East Asian culture I don’t think you’d actually watch it. I feel like if the soundtrack wasn’t so good it wouldn’t have been able to become so popular

[clear hill]

Exactly like why are people still seeing these biased sources as “valid” and legitimate sources to get their info from 😭😭 after Kim saeron the masses who partake in kpop/kdrama should’ve known to not take thouse sources seriously

[cinder narwhal]

generational backread

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1958049461143273963

[harsh dove]

@kchartsmaster <t:1755670344:d>

ADOR appoints Lee Dokyung as new CEO.

https://m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/117/0003978446

[cinder narwhal]

the woman who said she has no plans 😭

[heady gate]

Ador had 3 ceo in 12 months

[upbeat stream]

What happened to Kim Joo-young?

[heady gate]

idk

We will find out soon

[upbeat stream]

Hybe is a fucking mess, the amount of CEOs they have fired is crazy. Big Hit, Pledis, Ador (twice), KOZ, Hybe itself

But somehow Kim Tae-ho and So Sung-jin are still there

[heady gate]

I am looking forward from now to Sep 11.

[cinder narwhal]

she stepped down as ador ceo but still chro

read the article lol

[hollow sorrel]

they are basically saying Kim Jooyoung did her job and "successfully separated management and production" but like this is so funny there are no artists in ADOR

whose production and management are we talking about

[hushed whale]

kim jooyoung stepped down to focus on editing videos

[upbeat stream]

I already had. I meant as in why?

Clearly these things happen at the top. Kim Joo-young and Lee do-kyung are not really pulling the strings at ador, are they?

[heady gate]

"The Ador Board decided?" who is in the current Ador Board? My old picture from last year maybe outdated.

This was the Ador board in 2024

[empty halo]

kim joo young is not the ceo anymore?

[heady gate]

correct, she is the chief HR officer.

[empty halo]

chief HR officer 😹 😹 😹

[heady gate]

the new ceo has to handle the NJ's case. 😅

[hollow sorrel]

this kinda confirms 2 things:

-> ADOR is very likely to not reinstate MHJ as CEO
-> NJZ has a much better chance of winning the lawsuit?? Remember they didn't want production and management to be separated because that was what made ADOR successful but the new board forcefully separated the 2

they instated KJY as CEO a person who mistreated Hanni and also had no experience being a CEO

now they replaced KJY with this lady who Sejong literally has evidence of her saying that she doesn't really know what to do with NewJeans and she also tried to take credit for Bunnies Camp last year which she sued some Tokkis over but it was dismissed by the court???

[upbeat stream]

This is the woman who was trying to take credit for Tokyo Dome and was criticized by tokkis. Hybe sued them on her behalf but lost the case lol

She is embarrassing

[red thorn]

This kinda make obvious that the old ador was a sore thumb in hybe's eyes
Just bc they don't follow their path

[copper jetty]

Wait... does this even mean something with the girl's case? Why did KJY step down??

[empty halo]

probably does not affect the case

shes still in the company just not as ceo

[copper jetty]

Promoted the growth of artist and label lmao.. they don't have an artist so what growth is this article talking about??

[empty halo]

lmao lets see how she'll handle the new boy group and the inevitable criticism and boycotts theyll face

[copper jetty]

Wait, isn't she also a member of belift board? If I'm not mistaken isn't she under that guy??? Park jiwon?

[feral tapir]

so technically hybe didn't respect the contract

[short laurel]

One of bethief puopet put in ador

[empty halo]

wdym

is it just me or does ador feel like a doomed mess

[copper jetty]

Not just u.

[feral tapir]

like firing mhj and just leaving newjeans with nothing

aint that somewhat illegal

regarding their contract

[empty halo]

tokkis were lowk the only people invested in the company and their work. hybecels will just token stan the groups coming out of ador but token stanning isnt gonna take the groups very far. most people have somewhat bitter feelings when they think about ador as a company and their activities

well i sure hope they flop and fail

the company that is

[copper jetty]

Yeah that's basically the girls point before.

The Court basically asked Ador and have them explain if not if they put contingency plan when mhj was kicked out for the girls to continue their work. Ador said no. No explanations.

[empty halo]

yes this is the same woman who said she has 0 plans for newjeans

[short laurel]

That's what njz lawyers trying to prove. That current ador is essentially a different company under the same shell. Different company from who njz signed contract with

[feral tapir]

hmmm

[empty halo]

then this might help their case? that the current ceo has stated she has no plans?

[feral tapir]

idk ador always find ways to get through man

[short laurel]

We hope so but we never know. Justice is more political than true justice

[feral tapir]

yup

it's often unfair

[copper jetty]

We have to see what happens. Idk, i have gut feeling that something happened that's why Ador CEO got replaced. The same way when Hybe ceo stepped down at the start of this but just got re shuffled to another position. Bunch of clowns.

[empty halo]

somebody called kim jooyoung the liz truss of hybe ceos

https://tenor.com/view/haerin-newjeans-haerin-newjeans-newjeans-haerin-haerin-laugh-gif-26337906

[short laurel]

But they choose worse person to replace ceo. As stated njz side has proof of her having no idea or even what songs newjeans were performing at the time

[steel depot]

HYBE is so fcked now

[copper jetty]

Then LDK is the Elizabeth Holmes of Producing 💀

[empty halo]

i have nothing against the young trainees theyll debut, but i have a lot against ador so im rlly hoping the debut underperforms

[empty halo]

bang si hyuk is the boris johnson

[short laurel]

Did they finalize the trainees?

[steel depot]

i just hope those trainees quit and move to a more reliable company

[empty halo]

how would i know bro. but theyre preparing them for debut rn probably, theyve been teasing the bg

[copper jetty]

Ngl.. I don't think people would do that especially when they're at one of the biggest companies in Korea.

[short laurel]

I thought they are still auditioning so new group should be far away

[short laurel]

With huge backlash rn.

[empty halo]

ador's draw was newjeans, newjeans is gone and hates ador. ador is embroiled in major controversy, with no successful active groups under them. im sure quite a few trainees were afraid of the controversies and left

[steel depot]

not when hybe will be gone by the end of the year

[wary creek]

so ador has a new group? is it an attempt to prove that the label is competent without mhj

[empty halo]

hopefully ador gets shut down and dies by the time the trainees can even be finalized

[copper jetty]

Most backlash is with BSH and Hybe management... even former management . Idols are still not touched unless they actually find something that ties those idols into the IPO fraud.

[short laurel]

I m talking about company.

[empty halo]

an ador boy group is gonna debut, not rn i guess since cortis (new bighit boy group) just debuted + they were accepting auditions till recently

[short laurel]

Instead i look down on the parents who send there kids to hybe. Same as how ppl sent kids to bbc when after loona

[copper jetty]

Oh you're talking about Ador... I'm mostly talking about Hybe

[empty halo]

ador is cooked at the moment, most of the staff left, its a mess so its possible that trainees left

[wary creek]

ahh interesting

[short laurel]

Whats the difference anymore

[empty halo]

also didnt they start the hybe boy auditions campaign while nwjns was still active? and had another set of auditions after nwjns was gone?

could they be perhaps.... lacking trainees.... idk its kinda dumb to speculate on this

[copper jetty]

Atp none. But hybe in bgeneral is bigger and includes more subsidiaries. Ador is just plain old on fire Ador

[copper jetty]

I wouldn't really think more about it since trainee pools in Hybe get shuffled to other subsidiaries and most subsidiaries share their trainees.

[empty halo]

yes so if adors out of trainees they could shift trainees from other labels into ador

i sure as hell would not wanna be a trainee being shifted to ador in this climate lmao 💀 but after years of training i guess ull just take whatever u get

[storm warren]

ador already had male trainees bc their audition launch included voice message from female and male trainees. i dont think trainees care about management mess as long as they get to debut tbh. its hybe, everyone would rather debut in big company than small

they will prob debut them next year

i count on tokkis to promote them bc they are loud and dedicated

/s

[cinder narwhal]

nugupromoter hard at work

[short laurel]

Everyone will promote them, hybe stans n tokkies.

[cinder narwhal]

it's hard to know if you're joking or not lol

[pseudo heath]

there's a few korean teams that have potential but they bomb out due to mental

[short laurel]

I m serious. Tokkies will promote them by hating n hybe stans will token stan them just to fight tokkies n well hybe group.

[raven kelp]

i had seen the name cortis trending in x a few times and thought that was a solo artist under hybe

cortis for a group name is...

[cinder narwhal]

it's no less weird than newjeans lol

no more weird? not weirder? my English is not englishing

[raven kelp]

it's not weird it's just very "person" name

does that even make sense?

like i'm pretty sure there is no person with the name newjeans walking around

but cortis? when you say cortis it's just like a PERSON's name

[empty halo]

the name cortis immediately reminds me of the word cortisol

[raven kelp]

like jarvis wth

[empty halo]

😭

[mild mist]

Goes well with EpiPen I guess

[raven kelp]

ykw? i don't blame you. i just searched up cortis to see if it had any meaning and the first thing that popped up was cortisol

[short laurel]

What is cortis. Me too only getting cortisol on Google

[short laurel]

Is it their fandom name ? 😂

Hmm. It's an organ

[cinder narwhal]

random q of the day:
do yall have songs from hybe artists that you like but actively not listen to because they're from hybe?

[short laurel]

I like some bts n lsfm songs but stopped listening to them since last year.
I m rv fan especially wendy, but I've yet to listen to her collab song with jin.

[tawdry vessel]

been boycotting hybe since this whole thing started

[cinder narwhal]

about the ceo change, good point?

I'm predicting Bunnies are gloating on how Kim Joo-young is a "bad" CEO, now she's replaced by ADOR's VP. However, her temporary tenure as ADOR's CEO wasn't a surprise considering her HR background (she's also HYBE's Chief HR Officer). Her main job was to clean house and restabilize ADOR. However, letting a HR expert to be in charge of growing ADOR as a company wouldn't be smart. So, it makes sense assigning that task to someone else who has experience in that aspect.

[storm warren]

why does it sound like hybecel on reddit

[upbeat stream]

She did an extremely poor job of it then

[cinder narwhal]

because it is, but i understand the point

focus on cleaned house

[storm warren]

they are right but i can word it better. she was put in ador to do dirty work. she did and got awarded shares for it

she is HR, thats why. they always protect company

[warm hollow]

same

[cinder narwhal]

why does it sound like tokki on x

[storm warren]

[upbeat stream]

I like antifragile and magnetic but haven't listened to either for months

Could pirate but I don't care enough to bother

[warm hollow]

didn’t even know these two collaborated..

[cinder narwhal]

maybe this is them moving on from nj since they finally put a creative at the top

[red thorn]

Same point as the naver article earlier?

[cinder narwhal]

yeah ig

[storm warren]

There are two more points

1. She could not stabilize shit. She is incompetent and puppet who just fulfilled assigned role. She mishandled investigations and basically gave NJZ all the reasons to terminate contract

2. new clown CEO's only competency is being part of failed kpop trio (or was she soloist?) and working under Kim Taeho taking credits for ideas others came up with

There is third point. It does not matter who CEO is. everyone is BSH in mask

[upbeat stream]

She picked a needless fight with Shin Woo-seok as well

That was such a weird thing honestly, I still can't understand

[storm warren]

she is not a creative. she was handling IP business and brand collabs.

more like serving KTH

[storm warren]

right

[upbeat stream]

At least more suited to be CEO based on her work profile

[storm warren]

She was bad CEO because she was not subtle about being biased at all.

[cinder narwhal]

yeah i was just thinking that. rather someone more business minded than hr guy

[storm warren]

I doubt VP who complained that it was overwhelming and she couldnt do shit any more competent tbh

[waxen musk]

I understand why Ador would get rid of KJY. But to replace her with LDK? Why her specifically?

[storm warren]

management and production will be divided anyways

[storm warren]

they dont have other candidates realistically

[upbeat stream]

She was 2nd in command

[storm warren]

she has been there for a year now, its better to hand it over to someone who has idea whats going on

and they need poster female executive

[upbeat stream]

Remember when Lee Jae-sang was gonna be the CEO of ador? And then became Hybe CEO lol. They never really had a plan for njz

[storm warren]

which narrows the number of candidates for this role

[storm warren]

right. all their plans were last minute decisions

[upbeat stream]

Had MHJ lost her injunction, Lee jae-sang would have become CEO. Sometimes I think about that alternative timeline

[storm warren]

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1958094364657480074 this will always be funny

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy)

Lee Do-Kyung filed a lawsuit against this tokki for false facts on pointing out how she shamelessly took credit for NewJeans' Tokyo Dome fanmeet, and pop-up store.

The case was both dismissed by the police, and the prosecution.

X · Aug 20, 2025, 9:10 AM

[waxen musk]

Is it obvious to say that if they change CEO now, they aren't going to suddenly change it again (to MHJ) after a mediation in a little over three weeks.

It doesn't hint at any other potential ways to settle during a mediation aren't off the table yet. But the original and known mediation request seems as impossible as it always has.

[copper jetty]

Ngl as some1 who works in the med field... same..

[waxen musk]

I didn't know there was a new boy group from the same label as BTS until I backread just now.

That's weird. Are they big or are people ignoring them? I got no exposure to them at all.

[short laurel]

Yea really smart to replace ceo hr with someone who said she don't know what to do with newjeans. Really smart move hybe.

[short laurel]

Honestly in kpop majority intl only ever heard about bts or blackpink, if u are not even slightly into kpop, u won't hear about others even if they are with bts or bp.

Also we have blocked majority Of hybe fandom so less chance we'll hear about their new groups especially bg.

[waxen musk]

Just to note, I've completely stopped trying to keep up with new K-pop releases since like a week ago. I've stopped forcing myself.

[short laurel]

Even i only heard about new bighit group today from this chat

[waxen musk]

You'd think they would be the biggest topic right now, coming from BTS' label.

Anyway all this speculation about what the new CEO could mean for NewJeans' future is overwhelming on Twitter. So many opinions and speculation. I do feel like we won't have to wait long for more of Ador's cards to be shown.

[short laurel]

They probably are in right circle.

[upbeat stream]

No, they genuinely flopped.

Debuted with 120k on spotify which is horrible for a hybe artist, even on debut

[short laurel]

Dam

[cinder narwhal]

hybe payola is real! but only for newjeans lol

[upbeat stream]

These days, even groups from top companies are flopping. Sign of the times really for kpop

Kickflip is from jyp and debuted this year but barely anyone has heard of them

[short laurel]

Honestly they probably stopped payola ever since ppl start keeping closer eyes, I've noticed lower views from few new releases i got on youtube from their groups.
Especially with recent investigation

[waxen musk]

There's a reason I decided to stop listening. I like most of everything this year but nothing has actually stuck with me where I'm listening to it all the time. Also all the new groups have members that just don't stick out to me at all.

[waxen musk]

Who?

[upbeat stream]

I think the reason is Katseye. Hybe sees global groups as the future and just does not care about these korean groups anymore. Once these current trainees have debuted, they may even scale back and debut very few kpop groups

[short laurel]

https://x.com/breadluvpham/status/1958117656592282085

Cherry🍒 (@breadluvpham)

HANNI NEW HAIR😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

X · Aug 20, 2025, 10:43 AM

[bronze talon]

2 months ago

[short laurel]

That's good, they can't be as toxic with western groups(ofc they still be just not as much as they are in korea). N less korean kids will suffer

[upbeat stream]

😭 😭 we missed so much

[short laurel]

Yea

[waxen musk]

We all miss Hanni so much.

Speaking of 2 months, I feel like I should expect even less for second mediation so I should just fully expect to wait 2 months for anything to happen.

[copper jetty]

I basically listen to bts and lsf (sour grape perfect night) before. After all this went down last April I blocked all hybe groups.

[mild mist]

I thought that none of us were expecting anything from the mediation?
I'm certainly not

[copper jetty]

I'm not expecting anything either. Actually I'm expecting it to fail

[waxen musk]

I've always said I expect the request for original Ador's reinstatement was basically impossible. After CEO change whatever 0.1% chance it had before has changed to 0.001%. But I never thought any other potential settlement options were off the table, so who knows what will happen.

I think any expectation for something to happen during a mediation was actually boosted after a second one was announced.

[copper jetty]

Ig hybe could maybe give their IP, newjeans would resume activity under new company while giving a portion of their income to Ador.

This might be the best scenario for the settlement, but thats only if Hybe agrees and if their motive is only money.

The thing is, hybe doesn't really care much for money. If they did, what happened to OG ador and newjeans would've never happened anyway.

[waxen musk]

I think it's always been about the money MHJ would have to had been paid and Hybe's effort to stop that from happening. But it all backfired so badly for them now. I do wonder if a deal like shared income is a realistic hope. There are still plenty of options for them to guarantee money from settlements.

[copper jetty]

#1231839760759263232 message

Idk about that since no one wants to buy Hybe linked bonds. Their investor is backing out...

[tawdry vessel]

listen to joy la vie en bleu

SOTYYY

[copper jetty]

Plus if I'm not mistaken some of their debt maturation is late 2025. They put some of the subsidiaries as collateral right? (Idk if it's stock from the company or what tho)

For me i recommend idntt "BOYtude"

They just randomly popped up on my timeline and checked them out. The song is nice.

Waaaiiitttt a minute... isnt the tax people investigating the Ador and Hybe IM transfer too?? What if KJY stepping down is connected to this???

[old cypress]

why is everyone running their points through chatgpt nowadays

[cinder narwhal]

this is gpt?

[old cypress]

the wording looks like it