NJZ Updates and Discussion

[short laurel]

i could've been a member of the kpop group but mhj shaman cursed me to not be born in korea and have no talent in music.

[heady gate]

Every K-pop company moves their trainees around all the time

[short laurel]

irene and seulgi be4 rv debut. especially seulgi waited so long.

[storm warren]

Its different. SM JYP YG have unified system, they dont have sublabels

sublabels dont have obligation to share their talent pool with other sublabels yet HYBE does that

when HYBE tried to take over SM, one of the reason why SM opposed was HYBE sharing talent pool between labels

[empty halo]

cant wait for more sublabels to start infighting (like old ador vs belift) and for the entire system to fall apart!! so excited

[storm warren]

they wont bc they have yes-man employed in management

[empty halo]

it gets to a point, the men running these sublabels r petty

[short laurel]

problem is while they claim to be subsidiaries with full independence. they work just like SM YG JYP system. Ador was the only one which truly worked like an independent subsidiary. ofc it's not the case anymore. very blatantly too, by putting hybe logo on their site.

[pseudo heath]

still can't get over the fact that some members had to take anti depressants, honestly so sad

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1955562271096369479

this is definitely the best TLDR of the arguments on the third hearing out there

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

Why both sides can win or lose in October

On July 24th, 2025 the third and final hearing of the main trial had ended.

It lasted about 100 minutes. Both sides had about 30-40 minutes of presentation time.

Excuse my grammar/spelling mistakes

If the court believes that Ador’s

X · Aug 13, 2025, 9:29 AM

[cerulean lake]

idk what those comments are saying but weird how she would put that paragraph out on her yt page and then turn around and like shady comments

like i also can understand if she feels sad but like everyone else said, it’s unfortunately a kpop industry problem and the blame shouldn’t be on one person when it literally happens to like 90% of the industry.

[zealous helm]

yeah they just said atleast 1 member more can go if they wanna

[cerulean lake]

also i need someone to go and hack that sniper page fr. literally such a nuisance in society

[empty halo]

i doubt its just her randomly deciding to talk about this and not a hybe tactic or sumn lmao

funny thing is that racist ahh koreans are talking about how theyre glad a japanese person didnt debut in nwjns 😭 didnt exactly work the way they hoped it would

[short laurel]

her interview was a month ago. this new broke out to us yesterday by sniper and his manipulate twt right after bang landed to korea and got detained by cops. take your guess what it is.

[empty halo]

detained by cops?? ugh i need pics so bad

[short laurel]

wait not detained. his phone got detained. anyways cops were waiting for him when he landed.

[empty halo]

bro

[short laurel]

sorry. but still doesn't change my point.

[empty halo]

had me excited for a moment

[short laurel]

point is. not much news on him(bigger issue) but so many ragging of harin(a non issue)

[cerulean lake]

i seriously don’t know how someone can look at what sniper posts and be like “yup, that makes absolute sense and the sources are so legit”

like literacy media is so dead these days and people cannot tell what a good source is anymore. welp ig it’s even hard to find any good sources coming from korea considering how these corrupt ahh companies can just manipulate journalists into writing whatever’s favorable for them

[short laurel]

that's every media worldwide tbf

[cerulean lake]

well true. but ig it’s so effective in the entertainment industry where they just target people who just follow whatever they see and cannot logically figure things out 🫩

it’s giving those stereotypes of older people always believing in whatever facebook news/ai vids they see

welp i’ll probably be taking another kpop hiatus if this settlement/court result doesn’t turn out well.

so tired of sm people mocking them and coming up w/ lies about them or their family 😖🫩

[analog depot]

Was the interview and stuff old or new because it seems recent that harin has been shading newjeans

[native anchor]

not even a day

[clear hill]

Yet ppl will throw around the “MHJ stole newjeans from source music!!” Accusations so easily even tho they dk how Hybe works and that’s just their trainee-to-debut elimination process.. 🤦‍♀️

[clear hill]

That’s also what happened to Chanelle from the survival show illit was formed from I think

[loud rock]

Not defending mhj here (shes a weirdo with her own issues) but i dont get why people get piseed or act like its horrible when they find out a trainee got cut from the n team. It's pretty common anyways when trainees get added/removed from the lineup. Of course it's sad but it's not the worst thing to be mad about

[native anchor]

why is mhj considered a weirdo

[upbeat stream]

Oh god

Let's not start that debate again pls y'all

[native anchor]

im asking

i have no clue

[loud rock]

a bunch of stuff from her sm days

im not trying to start a debate s id reccomend you look it up yourself

[native anchor]

too lazy

[waxen musk]

You’re wrong about thinking she’s weird for that stuff from SM, but the topic is something most of us don’t like bringing up again because it always derails and ends up being the result in hours of new discussions which have been had many many times before, which is the exact cause for this impression of her to stick around even among Tokkis.

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1955640697618653602?t=Jf3p9WPcFOK0qcftZKnQXw&s=33

1tokki (@juantokki)

Just to clarify… Nope… the girls aren’t being asked to show up for the August 14 mediation.

In Korea, these kinds of contract dispute mediations are handled by the representatives (lawyers) and sometimes parents or guardians (for underage members), not the idols themselves.

X · Aug 13, 2025, 2:40 PM

[native anchor]

o

[copper jetty]

Wait i thought at least one of the girls is going??

[loud rock]

thats good

the girls need rest from the whole thing, and hopefully the get their contracts terminated and finally be free

[snow furnace]

today is the day

[waxen musk]

This might be a stupid question but how can ADOR and the girls have a discussion and consider NEW options for the mediation if they’re not there? It makes me think the mediation only STARTS today, and could take a while to figure out. Who knows.

[short laurel]

ig mhj is considered weird. then every other people behind idol industry(not talking about idols) are messed up weird on another level. just saying.

[native anchor]

yeah

[short laurel]

i personally think girls will attend today.

[native anchor]

same

[waxen musk]

If they’re not there, then I guess the only things being discussed is what we already know about: returning ADOR to its old state.

Their lawyers can’t decide their fate for them. Surely???

[copper jetty]

They'll be able to say what they want more accurately in person than through their lawyers... plus, we already know that at least one member is going to attend. That's why I'm confused as to this.

[short laurel]

they can't.

[storm warren]

i think judge stated one of the members should attend

[copper jetty]

Lmao namiko out of topic but I love ur pfp. 😆

[upbeat stream]

A reliable k-tokki says the judge asked for at least one to attend

[storm warren]

it is not mandatory but since judge directly requested (unless someone lied), then they will attend

[short laurel]

follow Louis Rossmann

[upbeat stream]

I posted their tweet here

[storm warren]

saw it yeah

[short laurel]

if not even 1 attend. it would look bad tbh.

what i wanna c is girls attending but ador only lawyers. would look nice for njz side.

[upbeat stream]

In a civil lawsuit, in fact they can chose to not even send their reps. It's totally optional, although not participating isn't a good look usually

[waxen musk]

Find out in 12 hours

[short laurel]

exactly

[native anchor]

when i wake up

the meeting will start or even be over already

[static oriole]

What time roughly kst? Anyone knows?

[bronze talon]

2pm

[pseudo heath]

damn that's 6am for me

[native anchor]

7am for me

[heady gate]

8 more hours

[static oriole]

1am for me today. I'm staying up I guess 🫡

[snow furnace]

there's still plenty of time to sleep

[native anchor]

yep

[pseudo heath]

anyone know how long it'll last?

[feral tapir]

are the girls going to be there

[bronze talon]

We won't know until the appointment is happening

[zealous helm]

if nobody says anything do we just assume they didnt come to an agreement

[thick glade]

I would assume so

[red thorn]

Don't need to assume, bc most likely the outcome eventually publicized whether whatever the result

[heady gate]

7 hours

[mild mist]

time to kip then

[heady gate]

I am looking forward to Oct 30.

[frozen granite]

I’m scared

[ashen charm]

Seems like I doubt anything would be settled today

[zealous helm]

i mean if they came to an agreement youd think they would tell the media

[red thorn]

That means court concluded and possibly the diplomatic statement such as "we agreed to part ways" or other statement would follow

[heady gate]

The 1st ADOR vs MHDHH hearing began on April 3. It took 4 months, that is pretty quick.

[red thorn]

Gonna be 6 months total huh if mediation failed

[upbeat stream]

7 months roughly from April 3 to October 30

[ashen charm]

I'm pretty sure we can rule out going back to ador 2024 state

[upbeat stream]

Rather unlikely

[mental lynx]

if this happens i will go bald

but i dont think we will hear anything tomorrow and just see what happens october 30th

[upbeat stream]

Man I was feeling so good on July 24th, but over the last 3 weeks, that optimism has receeded away. I don't know why because nothing bad has even happened

Now I'm dreading October 30th

[red thorn]

did the judge already have verdict? It's fixed the final on October date

[ashen charm]

Yeah I think they are leaning towards termination

[upbeat stream]

Yes, verdict definitely on October 30th

[bronze talon]

Idk why a settlement would be a choice
The climate will stay the same and reinstatement of everything pre April 2024 is giga unlikely

The only "settlement" would look something like them mutually agreeing to them getting something from njz and the girls being free without a hefty penalty

[fathom onyx]

oct 30th sounds so far away

[cinder narwhal]

I'm still here alone with my optimism

[fathom onyx]

[bronze talon]

I'm pretty optimistic almost everything will turn in njzs favour, time will tell while still being realistic

[vale grove]

Hey did we get any update one the mediation?

[bronze talon]

Didn't start yet

[hoary frost]

If only one of them goes, I hope it's not Hanni

[bronze talon]

Tbh I wouldn't mind Hanni going
Only reason being her showing them haters and the company while also "finishing" her mission if yk what I mean
Ofc it's all of the 5s goal and mission as well but she initiated a good chunk

But someone else going there would probably be better on paper

[pseudo heath]

I feel like they might send minji

[upbeat stream]

Most likely all 5

[warm hollow]

nooo i’m optimistic abt it too

😭😭

wait so only one of them will go to court?

[heady gate]

5 hours

[heady gate]

we will find out who is going to show up in 5 hours.

[upbeat stream]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/home/article/241/0003459873

Yeah ilgan confirms that the court did ask for at least a member to attend

Just as k-tokkis were saying

[warm hollow]

why is it necessary for only one member to attend

[upbeat stream]

I don't think it is, more than one can attend too

[warm hollow]

ohh

[upbeat stream]

Juantokki being confidently incorrect as usual, lol

[feral tapir]

better be minji she gon kick their booty

[heady gate]

I vote for Haerin should go.

[pseudo heath]

Bbangsaz would destroy everyone

[warm hollow]

so true

this is actually so scary. the day we’ve all been waiting for is finally here..

It’s only a matter of time now 😭

[fathom onyx]

[vale grove]

Like five hours right

[bronze talon]

Yuh

[vale grove]

Holy nervous my tummy hurts really bad i don’t wanna get my hopes up

[bronze talon]

Yea man they got this lol

[vale grove]

I’m really hoping this is the outcome

[bronze talon]

If not a better one
Them getting money, keeping the IP and going somewhere else

[cinder narwhal]

lmao

[fathom onyx]

I'll be sleeping, hope I wake up w something good hahah

[zealous helm]

cant trust anything on that braindead app

whatever happens i hope the girls are happy and healthy

[cinder narwhal]

if the girls do win and redebut i hope the fandom can stop talking about other groups like illit and lsfm. so tired

but it's gonna be the tallest fucking order

[waxen musk]

I can’t imagine one of the girls making a decision for all five of them, to be honest.

[analog depot]

I vote for Hanni to cook even more

[analog depot]

All three of these fandoms do the same thing, bunnies on illit and lsfm posts and vice versa..I forget the lack of lives people have

[waxen musk]

I can’t help but feel the need to keep updated on everything for these NJZ legal cases and I feel like Twitter is the only way to do so effectively. But there’s too many downsides to it. I hope when everything is over and I don’t need to be kept up to date I can finally say goodbye to that app/website forever.

[bronze talon]

Same

[heady gate]

This is a civil case. Did the judge require NJ to present to the court today? Personally, I don't want them to appear to the public until the case is over.

[upbeat stream]

Requested, not required

[cinder narwhal]

the wait is killing me

[short laurel]

Sad reality is, whoever wins, their fandom will use it to be toxic to other.

[hoary frost]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[hoary frost]

everything will be fine

[hushed whale]

[short laurel]

New ragebait dropped last night apparently to blame tokkies again for being "worse" fandom

https://www.pannchoa.com/2025/08/theqoo-it-is-said-that-scrutiny.html?m=1
Lol 😂

[copper jetty]

This doesn't even reach the level of scrutiny and vitriol they had with MHJ last April and even after that.

[short laurel]

Not even 1% of it

[vale grove]

About like 48 mins left to go, drank two twisted teas to prepare myself mentally 😭

[copper jetty]

Yeah. With how important the fraud is with the national pension, I'm surprised not all the media is reporting it. Unlike the audit in April.

[vale grove]

Hey just for clarification will we get the results of the mediation at 2 kst ? Or it starts at two?

[copper jetty]

Idk if we even get the details since it should be closed doors. Only the ones involved are going to be in it. It's going to be leaked only if they want it to be leaked... and it's usually Hybe's side (K&C)

[cinder narwhal]

starts at 2

[vale grove]

Kay. Then I’ll just go to bed and see if there is any news tmmr morning

[cinder narwhal]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/001/0015566553?sid=102 no names given

[vapid turret]

anyone else feel sad?

[vale grove]

Sorry for being a little religious but I’ll be Praying for newjeans

[vale grove]

Yeah. Yes I am, but I’ll remain hopeful. Hope you feel better friend

[waxen musk]

Just here to remind people of how the media reported on the third hearing. Immediate reports cannot even be trusted. Be patient, but don't expect much in terms of reporting.

Think I got 2 hours of sleep lol

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[upbeat stream]

2 members, perhaps Minji and Dani?

[craggy skiff]

I think it is Minji and Hanni

[cinder narwhal]

same

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1955851195328720995

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

more fucking articles about 2 members attending a private mediation than 2 special teams being sent to audit hybe.

X · Aug 14, 2025, 4:37 AM

I guess the media will be all over this today, if it's already started.

[storm warren]

obviously

[waxen musk]

Very obviously.

People aren't considering Haerin attending, but she is technically an adult in Korea, starting from 19 years old (international age), right?

[craggy skiff]

act like I'm surprised

[storm warren]

Haerin is very eloquent and intelligent so I wont be surprised if she attends

[hushed whale]

minji and dani

[storm warren]

She is just baby cat and takes time to load tho

[waxen musk]

The pressure for them to decide their fate for the entire group must be unimaginable.

It's Minji and Dani, there are videos.

*x https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1955853274914963821

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1955853274914963821

[harsh dove]

@newjeans_loop <t:1755146733:d>

@newjeans_loop <t:1755146733:d>

250814

#민지 #Minji
#다니엘 #Danielle

[upbeat stream]

Called it

[cinder narwhal]

now call the mediation results

[buoyant hamlet]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[cinder narwhal]

we don't see their shoes but dani's taller than minji?

[hushed whale]

crazy that big broadcast stations went live for this lmao
https://x.com/newz25287/status/1955853128215224444?s=46

newz (@newz25287)

와 미공개인데 라이브로 어그로 끌려고 ㅅㅂ ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

X · Aug 14, 2025, 4:44 AM

[cinder narwhal]

god desperate for crumbs

[waxen musk]

Now we wait who knows how long.

[buoyant hamlet]

obligatory "fuck hybe" before this starts

[unborn arrow]

she’s wearing heels

[cinder narwhal]

sad

[waxen musk]

Dani's been working out by running marathons cos she gonna choose violence

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GySYFrFa4AEpftP?format=jpg&name=large

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1955855370515308814

MHDHH Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop)

250814

#민지 #Minji
#다니엘 #Danielle

X · Aug 14, 2025, 4:53 AM

[waxen musk]

She looks like a badass lol. That pose.

[cinder narwhal]

dani can't not slay 😭

[buoyant hamlet]

I've never seen Dani have bad posture

[waxen musk]

Just looking at her reverses my awful posture.

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1955855906320867678

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

there was no live coverage of the police search and seizing hybe
there was no live coverage of two special teams search and seizing hybe

there wasnt even a follow up article of it from the main news station but of course theres like 30 live broadcast about 2 members attending a

X · Aug 14, 2025, 4:56 AM

I'm so nervous for them. Gonna have breakfast and try to watch something while waiting around.

[vale grove]

Will see u guys in the morning! Best of luck for our girls!

[ashen charm]

Minji and dani are attending that's good both they shouldn't be fazed

[old plaza]

Hoping for the best

[waxen musk]

Is it over yet?

[wooden coral]

Prayer circle for the girls

[short laurel]

it'll be over with ador giving up everything.

[cinder narwhal]

no video for ceo kim jooyoung arrival?

[short laurel]

nope. why would media cover her. she doesn't give them clout.

[hushed whale]

no, they turned off the live/put it in loop after the girls arrived

[tawdry vessel]

i dont wanna see her

[cinder narwhal]

but i wanna..

[waxen musk]

I can already imagine the media play where KJY is said to be crying for the member's return... yet again.

Sorry Korean media, did I leak the script?

[tardy smelt]

i hope we get some sort of statement, it'd be good to get an update directly from their side

[craggy skiff]

Maybe another newjeans member laught outside

[opaque flicker]

its all ending today

and theyre coming back next week

[hushed whale]

tomorrow actually

[opaque flicker]

tomorrow they celebrate

[waxen musk]

This is actually the pre-release strategy for the Pit Stop MV.

[hushed whale]

pit stop at 12am

[opaque flicker]

god give us the pit stop studio version soon

[tardy smelt]

mv drops that starts with the end of ditto side b (5 months hiatus has aged me 10 years like ban heesoo)

[waxen musk]

Aparantly more than 100 articles so far. Presumably just about their appearance.

[rugged dagger]

ditto side c dropping SOON

[opaque flicker]

[rugged dagger]

how soon after everything resolves will we get pitstop mv

[opaque flicker]

asap asap asap

[upbeat stream]

It's ready to go!

[waxen musk]

No idea realistically. I still assume it's was ready for release right after the performance but the injunction just paused all their plans.

[opaque flicker]

theyre already waiting to press post on yt

been waiting there for months

[waxen musk]

Seriously could be. It's just how long after a successful mediation would they start to return back to normal. Sounds weird to think it could be immediate, but who knows.

[opaque flicker]

im gonna reduce the slowdown to 10 in here today

[copper jetty]

I know it may be out of touch with how serious we are, idk maybe it's the lack of sleep, but dang puppyz look good.

[rugged dagger]

yeah that's what I thought too. imagine if only that injunction had been delayed just a little bit

[tardy smelt]

imagine all the vlogs they'd have edited by now as well, and we start getting content weekly, and we catch up on what they've been up to

[short laurel]

this waiting is hard

[waxen musk]

Vatican vlog, Australia group trip vlog? Tbh I hope they didn't even think about "content" when they were travelling for their health, but would be cool to see pics or something.

[copper current]

Hanni is definitely the member who takes depression medicine. She received too much hate so she can’t attend

[waxen musk]

Can't assume

[opaque flicker]

did hanni tell u that

[tardy smelt]

vibe killed

[copper current]

She received the most hate

[short laurel]

dani marathon training vlog

[copper jetty]

We don't know that. Maybe more than one member. By the end of their bday lives, all of them looked affected already. They couldn't even hide it. Even the youngest members. :

[buoyant hamlet]

Likely didn't attend because she's not a native Korean speaker

[wooden coral]

[upbeat stream]

Hyein is also in a very difficult situation. Let's not assume who it is

[copper current]

Dani and Minji seem to have strong heads, I hope they bring good results to the team

[opaque flicker]

I dont think u can assume any of them took medicine just because of the hate when theres more to this than just stupid hate being received

[tardy smelt]

i'd like to think they recorded some stuff for the memories anyway

[upbeat stream]

This will make Puppyz even more popular haha

I remember when they were an underrated duo

[buoyant hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cyphervmn-danielle-minji-danielle-and-minji-praying-danielle-and-minji-gif-1478222702961425853

[waxen musk]

How many -prayjeans am I gonna post today?

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[copper current]

I don’t ship in this case because it is an important matter. I hope Dani blows some punching to ador to pay back for the hate NJZ received

[cinder narwhal]

they'll come back 9/22

[copper jetty]

I remember when it was mostly me and Mel before who was husseyz enthusiast here in this server

Now look at all those puppyz enjoyers.

[cinder narwhal]

30mins have passed by
ok at least it's not a hard and shut thing 5 mins in

[waxen musk]

I assume the media will be out there preying for their exit from the courts

[copper jetty]

Wait theres lives in YT ongoing for this? How are they gonna update? Is k&c gonna leak things again?

[copper current]

Who is the judge today? Is he good? ~t https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1955852423718953011

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

#FREENJZ news: today's mediation will be presided by chief judge jeong hoe-il..and since the court had previously requested that the members, as parties to the case, attend in person..two members are said to be present at today's hearing/mediation.

X · Aug 14, 2025, 4:42 AM

[waxen musk]

The judge isn't there to judge today. It's a mediation, not a hearing.

[copper jetty]

Is he the same judge we had ongoing the main trial?

[cinder narwhal]

yes

[waxen musk]

Well you'd hope for someone familiar with the case lol.

[upbeat stream]

Ador will most likely leak things to the media

[cinder narwhal]

is the injunction judge/s involved in the main case?

[upbeat stream]

No

It's just Jeong Hoe-il

[empty jetty]

do you think they settle today?

[waxen musk]

I don't expect much but really hope they figure something out instead of go a couple more months with complete uncertainty.

[cinder narwhal]

At the mediation hearing, the members of NewJeans came to the court in person at the request of the previous court. The members who appeared at the mediation hearing were Minji and Danielle. They were dressed in neutral outfits and got out of the car and headed to the courtroom under security. Minji smiled faintly at this time. When reporters asked Minji questions such as, "How do you see the possibility of mediation?" and "What conditions do you think are necessary for an agreement with Ador?", Minji remained silent, while Danielle smiled and briefly replied, "I'm sorry" before entering the courtroom. If both parties reach an agreement at this mediation date, it will have the same effect as a court settlement. However, the sentencing date has been tentatively set for October 30th in case the mediation fails.

[copper jetty]

Is there a livestream with English translation??

[upbeat stream]

It's a private meeting, no media allowed

[cinder narwhal]

i wonder does the judge give some spoilers or preview on his judgment for the mediation

[mint elm]

Why these members and why “im sorry”

tbf some member had to go, but w/e

how long is it? 49 mins right

[tiny peak]

I think I'm sorry as in "I'm sorry I can't answer"

Hanni can't speak Korean that well and Hyein might be too young

[copper jetty]

Yeah but media is camping there. If things go Ador's way they might leak info again

[hushed whale]

[waxen musk]

With it being an hour already you'd at least assume things are properly being disucssed and considered.

[mossy stag]

haerin is a cat

now it all makes sense

[empty jetty]

Haerin seems like the person that avoids going out

[snow furnace]

haerin is meditating, or she will give a thumbs up

[empty jetty]

So yeah, a cat

[snow furnace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1212483347188547627/1405296090470682655/haerinbertapa.gif

[upbeat stream]

Bruh, there's no way. So many korean articles are talking about the Harin bs from two days ago right now. My heart sank when I sorted naver by latest and saw Newjeans Harin ... and misread it as Haerin

These moronic journalists

[empty jetty]

I wonder if they actually pay them or just promise them to leak info

[buoyant hamlet]

both

[craggy skiff]

and who bring a cat to court? Lol

[thick glade]

Dani is bouta run circles around them. She's been training.

[rare dune]

should we be worried

[mossy stag]

Shaman skills

[upbeat stream]

It's taking longer than I thought so serious discussion is definitely happening

[mossy stag]

What if instead of discusssing they are doing a dance off

[snow furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/phoenix-wright-objection-gif-13083065649954242952

[upbeat stream]

I'm gonna keep on dancing at the pink pony club

[rare dune]

chappel roan mention!

[mossy stag]

Who can break dance better the Australian girl or Dani / minji

Hol up the Olympian Australian

[frozen granite]

What’s happening ??

Are we cooking ??

[thick glade]

They were certainly eating when they came out of that car.

[empty jetty]

unrelated but whats that profile animation? i kinda like it

[snow furnace]

unico in the island of magic

[frozen granite]

Unico, great movie !

[mint elm]

hows it going

[frozen granite]

Are we getting cooked ? Or cooking ?

[upbeat stream]

Another mediation session on September 11

[mossy stag]

Just updated?

[frozen granite]

Bruh

[heady gate]

That is quick update

[hushed whale]

its good news ig, they are negotiating

[heady gate]

2 mediation sessions. That is interesting

[frozen granite]

Is that good ? Or bad idk anything 😭

[cosmic belfry]

I mean if they have a chance at a resolution, I think it can only be good.

[mossy stag]

Who’s runs the njz base account on twitter

[empty jetty]

i hope they can get the rights of all their songs

[waxen musk]

Ah good, I'll update the schedule.

[hushed whale]

lets wait and see if the girls or ador release a statement

[cinder narwhal]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/home/article/108/0003356783

[frozen granite]

My girls

[short laurel]

whats with title. if it had failed, there won't be next date right

[cinder narwhal]

zzzzz

[heady gate]

MHJ and NJ would have their cases on the same day on Sep 11.

[waxen musk]

Schedule updated.

Feeling like this is a good sign for some resolution to happen.
Currently awaiting media play crap.

[cinder narwhal]

still failed to find a solution today

[short laurel]

ohk

[waxen musk]

It means more things are to be considered.

[frozen granite]

We’re with you girls !! Doubt they’d be here, but just in case

[bronze talon]

September
Well
We wait

[cinder narwhal]

departure pics next lol

[empty jetty]

i love how danielle is posing

[frozen granite]

They look ok, they don’t look sad so this is good news

[waxen musk]

Sigh. 4 more weeks.

[upbeat stream]

At least we have something to look forward to, right in the middle

[mental lynx]

Yes

[cinder narwhal]

@ me for any leaks pls

[mental lynx]

Also September 11th was the day of their emergency broadcast back then

Coincidence?

[cinder narwhal]

it's just today + 4 weeks

[mental lynx]

Oh yeah true

[hollow sorrel]

I wonder if the fact that they ended so quickly means that its going well and both sides are looking to settle or that one side maybe didnt want to settle? hmmm maybe the 1st one is more possible since there will be a second mediation

[dense kettle]

is there any news abt the court today

[bronze talon]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1955882037724020810?t=Qj7ugPA9bklHTa8gATX2VQ&s=19

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

in south korean civil cases like the njz vs ador contract termination trial, a judge can order a second mediation hearing if they think there’s still a realistic chance the dispute could be settled without going all the way to a final ruling. ++

X · Aug 14, 2025, 6:39 AM

[heady gate]

hmm, I am wondering which member is going to attend on Sep 11.

[waxen musk]

I can’t help but see it the same way. The judge feels like there’s a good chance of settlement.

[dense kettle]

thats a good sign

they def had a settlement

[heady gate]

What is the objective of this case for NJ and HYBE? NJ wants to get out of HYBE. HYBE wants a pay check. Do I miss anything?

[dense kettle]

hybe is just money hungry

[cinder narwhal]

hybe wants nj to go back

[dull schooner]

What was the result of today’s mediation or is it not out/private?

[dense kettle]

where did u see

[upbeat stream]

No leaks so far, I'm kinda surprised

[dense kettle]

this means they had a settlement

[cinder narwhal]

from the past year

[upbeat stream]

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too, they probably made some progress

[bronze talon]

Ofc they want them back
If there won't be something in return for the girls that screams sure let's do it, they won't

[mossy stag]

Why does minji look like me after taking a hard exam

[dull schooner]

Ig if things were returned to how it was before (old ador) its good?

[dense kettle]

they want niz to come back bc newjeans changed kpop

[dense kettle]

after this all ends and nj wins they have to go to a different company btw

[waxen musk]

It's obviously too soon to say, but depending on how media play is, whether things are kept private for now or not, will definitely be telling of how at least ADOR feels how this session went.

[dull schooner]

Yea but i was asking abt today’s mediation

Agreed on a settlement?

[dense kettle]

it’s private we dont have any news yet

[bronze talon]

But this will take forever I feel like
And Everyone? Most likely not happening
I've been saying this before
The climate in that building towards them will not change much

[dense kettle]

its a theory becaude the members walked out smiling

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1955884548786622546 real? lol

. (@TokkiLoops)

September 11:

Min Heejin vs HYBE
NJZ vs ADOR

X · Aug 14, 2025, 6:49 AM

[bronze talon]

Yes

[dull schooner]

Wait that was the members walking out? I thought it was footage of them going in the court room

[dense kettle]

a video just came out

https://youtu.be/3E5OC2BHj3A

[frozen granite]

This is probably a dumb question, but the members are being active participants in the mediation process right? I guess I just worry they are not letting their voices be heard in this. I guess I’m overthinking/overreacting

[dull schooner]

Where is it?

I can’t find it on X

[bronze talon]

Well Time to go back to sleep

[dense kettle]

i just watched it hanni looked like she was about to cry something definitely happened

[mental lynx]

Hanni wasnt even there

[dull schooner]

??? Didn’t only danielle and minji attend?

[tiny peak]

???

[dense kettle]

i mean minji

[red thorn]

Smiling in public is basic PR

[mental lynx]

Yep

They looked pretty serious to me

[dense kettle]

why cant this all end i want nj back

[dull schooner]

True

[heady gate]

Dani is good at smiling.

[short laurel]

minji looked pissed

[dense kettle]

atp im not gonna be celebrating halloween on october 31 im just gonna be watching the court videos

[heady gate]

Now, we can speculate which member is going to attend on Sep 11.

[upbeat stream]

Same 2 or all 5

[tiny peak]

those two are the best to attend tbh

[dense kettle]

it has to be hyein shes a minor and would have alot of proof

[heady gate]

I think Hyein is out of the question

[dull schooner]

There’s another hearing on sep 11? What is it abt?

[mental lynx]

I think so too, most likely the 2 again

[dense kettle]

Idk i thought it was only October 31 next

[dull schooner]

Yea

[jade jolt]

Have you even watched the video??? Dani and Minji had neutral faces nobody was smilling nor looking too sad

[dense kettle]

danielle was smiling

[dull schooner]

Thats why i cant find any vid or pic of minji “crying”

[dense kettle]

Did u watch the full vid

[dense kettle]

you could see her about to near the end of the vid

[short laurel]

https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1955886570655113457

MHDHH Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop)

250814

#민지 #Minji

X · Aug 14, 2025, 6:57 AM

[dense kettle]

here is the proof she was crying i think

[short laurel]

not crying but not a good expression

[frozen granite]

Tbh I don’t think she was crying, she looks normal

[empty jetty]

thats minji regular face

[mossy stag]

Yall mad overthinking

[dense kettle]

i mean she could be trying to hide it since shes being recorded

[frozen granite]

I think we are overly analyzing their facial expressions

[mental lynx]

Shes just done with adors bullshit

[waxen musk]

Don't start judging them based on a snapshot in time. You can make people look upset or happy when they're thinking the complete opposite from a simple photo.

[mental lynx]

I See that as a neutral face

[red thorn]

It's wild lmao

[frozen granite]

But wait, guys my question is, if you guys think the members are being active participants in the mediation process ?

[dense kettle]

i hope all 5 go to court next because they have all the proof not to mention the antidepressants proof?

[short laurel]

i think she was pissed

[mossy stag]

Fs

[dense kettle]

i feel like we shouldn’t be speculating stuff rn anything could have happened

[mossy stag]

Haerins prolly gonna be watching tom and Jerry

[mental lynx]

Anyways see ya all on September 11th

[short laurel]

the fact that theres 2nd mediationshould mean that both sides agreed to it.

[old plaza]

ig it’s second mediation date

[wooden coral]

My precious Minji bear please let her and the rest be okay 😭😭

[waxen musk]

They were there...

[mossy stag]

All 5?

[dull schooner]

Its confirmed?

[frozen granite]

I know, but there’s been instances where lawyers sort of restrain their own clients

[waxen musk]

Minji and Dani

[mossy stag]

Ik

[short laurel]

2. but all 5 are together. they not have be present all the time in court.

[craggy skiff]

lol

[tiny peak]

Minji has every right to be mad after listening to more HYBE lies and bullshit

[short laurel]

theres alot thats happening behind the scenes. that we don't know

[craggy skiff]

some how you guy argument give me headache

[waxen musk]

I'm out of here. People asking questions with obvious answers and analysing their emotions.

[mint elm]

I feel like Minjis leading it and Danielles j following

[old plaza]

Yep

[jade jolt]

Yes

[frozen granite]

I think it’s normal given that this is sensitive for fans lol if it bothers you to read just don’t partake in the chat you can just ignore lmao

[mint elm]

what happened?

[dense kettle]

now that i look at it they look different compared to their debut

[short laurel]

no one knows. it was close door

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1955874411732721794
lol. the title

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

Reporters: Can you answer?
Minji & Danielle: Sorry, we can’t, it’s confidential
News headline: Minji, Danielle attend mediation: We’re sorry

X · Aug 14, 2025, 6:09 AM

[buoyant hamlet]

glad its over for them, i really hope they dont give an inch to them and just win it through jury

[mint elm]

LOL

[mint elm]

she looks handcuffed bruh lmfao

[wooden coral]

😭😭😭😭

MoDani arrested her

[mint elm]

🤣

Knowing their personality itd be other way around

[mint elm]

bruh thats… idek

[wooden coral]

She kidnapping Minji to go skydiving again

[mint elm]

no its just minji is the most orderly member of njz

[craggy skiff]

ah, isn't nov 11 the date they make the emergency live?
what a coincidence

[mint elm]

generally being orderlys a pretty good way to avoid trouble

shes honestly one of the most leader capable women in kpop

[cerulean lake]

this gotta be some targeted mediaplay. ain’t no way someone’s interview from a month ago gets blown out of proportion right when bsh flies back to the us

these journalists and the companies really have no backbone

[mint elm]

in the second photo in particular she seems focused so

[tiny peak]

they do it for money

[mint elm]

tbh im someone whod call myself a consrvative but seeing how these girls get treated i kinda get what leftist mean abt misogyny

i cant help but feel like theres a certain underlying desire to hate on them just for not being… submissive or agreeable that the jouranlists r appealing to

[zealous helm]

looks like dani has grown

[short laurel]

heels

[zealous helm]

people are saying 2nd date is sept 11th so ig we'll see them then

[mint elm]

I gotta say im surprised Dani was chosen and not Hanni

I feel like Hanni was the main person in the njz vs hybe dispute

danielle never said much about hybe

neither did Hyein, or Haerin (but thats typical ig) Minji and Hanni were the 2 leading voices

[cerulean lake]

it’s also due to the fact that these companies/journalists have no backbone and only want money from the favorable articles they write about someone while targeting their rivals. it’s a whole culmination of factors

[empty jetty]

hanni has gone through a lot and she also isnt that fluent in korean

• shes prolly on australia rn

[mint elm]

and Dani is? didnt she grow up in aurstrailia

[cerulean lake]

danielle def said a lot about hybe. plus i rather hanni take a break bc she was targeted the most domestically and internationally. literally messed up

[wooden coral]

Her mom is Korean

[empty jetty]

dani parents are korean

[zealous helm]

1 is

[mint elm]

ik shes wasian obv but like shes not that fluent no?

[wooden coral]

Mom is Korean dad is Australian

[empty jetty]

snailed and also spread missinformation, im a fraud

[upbeat stream]

She is quite fluent I believe

[tiny peak]

I think Danielle was on Korean TV when she was young

[zealous helm]

Her english is better but she is still fluent in korean

[hazy gate]

hi guys, could you tell me briefly what happened with Minji and Danielle today? Or is there no information about that?

[cerulean lake]

well dani is probably the second best candidate after minji for now for attending these things. i feel like she’s pretty strong mentally

[tiny peak]

but yeah I'm not sure how well Danielle can follow legal discussions and things like that

[mint elm]

on the journalist end yea, but the journalists themselves know what does and doesnt get clicks, so im answering why these anti njz articles get clicks as opposed to other perspectives

[zealous helm]

we dont know anything that we do know will be leaked

[tiny peak]

they are not going back to HYBE ever. I can't wait until this all ends

[hazy gate]

ty

[cerulean lake]

oooh yeah probably those hannams/incels/boy-mom fans obsessed with hybe are clicking on them

mediaplay could also be like botting views/responses to these articles making it seem like it’s sensational news, which makes others who don’t know much click on them.

[zealous helm]

do u think they'll go independent

[mint elm]

we only know the members facial expressions

[rare dune]

can someone tldr me im uneducated on legal shit

[tiny peak]

they are "A-list" celebrities, so it comes with the territory

[red thorn]

There's is no main, they've beeen positioning themselves as group since the begining of dispute, any opinion a member voiced at least my perception they share same or on agreed opinion

[rare dune]

fair enough, ig we just gotta wait

[tiny peak]

they all made their voices heard at their press conference

[zealous helm]

dani and minji went they were there for 90 minutes and there is a second mediation on september 11th

[cerulean lake]

i’m uneducated on legal stuff too but it seems like it’s mainly confidential stuff for now (ador will probably do some shady work to leak things or paint njz in a bad light).

a second mediation date was presented which could mean smth

[mint elm]

If theres one thing u had to note from a member saying an example of abuse its hanni and illit, and probs by a factor of 2 to the 2nd most known one

[rare dune]

a mediation is just kinda negotiating for middle ground right

[zealous helm]

yup

[mint elm]

like objectively speaking, im guessing 2x as many of us know hanni and illit dispute vs like what danielle said

[cerulean lake]

i actually hate how this incident was shown as the “main” cause of the whole dispute. people are downplaying their mistreatment bc they think hanni was salty abt a manager not greeting them and then they twist things to make it seem like she was talking abt illit.

the whole contract dispute was mistreatment and ostracization over a series of time and actually consists of a lot more things than just that greeting smh

they just sensationalize that one specific example bc it includes another group (even though it wasn’t actually them) and make it seem like hanni and the rest of njz are being dramatic “brats”

[mint elm]

I agree, but my claim wasnt that that was the main one or the most important, just the most well known was hanni and that incident

[rare dune]

people forget that the girls are literally still so young how r people siding with the multi-million dollar company

[mint elm]

again, nothing hyein or minji said is nearly as well known as that

[cerulean lake]

bc their oppars are still in that company

[rare dune]

convinced some of them just want njz gone bc they’ll overshadow their groups

[mint elm]

Companies arent inately evil, but will choose profit over morals if they can

The size of the company is often their leeway for ability to do so, but not always, Apple famously fought the CIA in court and won

[cerulean lake]

well like i said, i think that part was blown up the most bc it does include like another group

plus i think hanni spoke up the most abt this and she was like the most popular member at that time so that could be one reason why more people saw what she said and also targeted her 🤕

[mint elm]

Like its not that size inately causes abuse SM is j as big but if an SM group had a dispute it would be a lot more likely to be the groups fault than a hybe group

[cerulean lake]

welp hybe is this case chose ego over profit and morals

im pretty sure hybe could have made a huge check if they just sat still and didn’t try to kick out mhj and destroy njz. their loss 🤐

[mint elm]

im so jealous of how Aespa gets treated wish NJZ was an SM group

[loud rock]

i feel like its more the want mhj gone then njz themselves mainly bc njz was one of they were hybes biggest money makers.

[tiny peak]

HYBE is irrational and evil. Most companies are just supposed to make money

[cerulean lake]

all kpop companies are wvil. sm has been notorious for being evil to their groups before.

[mint elm]

this isnt to send hate Aespas way btw im j jealous of their company

[loud rock]

NOT aespa theyre serverely overworked

[loud rock]

sm is just as shitty as hybe maybe a bit worse

[heady gate]

bc k-pop artists are not workers, they are not protected.

[tiny peak]

SM would never have sabotaged their top girl group like this. yes they are greedy and unethical, but they are like any other corporation

[mint elm]

work doesnt equal stress inately tho

[cerulean lake]

many artists have filed lawsuits against sm and sm also blacklisted jyj for a long time. maybe they’re better now but all companies are inherently evil

[native anchor]

its already over?

[mint elm]

im also soo jealous of their marketing Karina and Wonyoung are similiar levels of popularity both RV and Aespa r soo popular on Melon

[tiny peak]

old ADOR were genius marketers though

[loud rock]

they did it to red velvet

[mint elm]

that hair stylist was NOT working on behalf of SM upper management

[loud rock]

not just the stylist everything buts thats off topic

[cerulean lake]

anyways i still have no idea why people think that njz are being overly dramatic when a good chunk of the old ador management left with them when they decided to terminate the contract or when mhj was removed

they just be thinking mhj cursed everyone w/ her shaman. also shamanism is so common in korea and literally shown in so many kdramas/content so idek why that is so surprising to them 😭

[mint elm]

wasnt a main player in squid game a shamanist?

[mint elm]

I genuinely feel like mhj has some blackmail on hybe or something, its just not profitable for them to do what they r doing

[heady gate]

While awaiting Sep 11, I'm eager to see more HYBE developments with those four agencies in the next four weeks.

[weak relic]

The mediation ongoing or ended?

[cerulean lake]

yeah i think there was a character who was a shaman. don’t think she was well liked but she still was one

[mint elm]

what if she knew about smth like bts enlisment scandal

[cerulean lake]

hoping she leaks it to the media or gives it the police 😷

[heady gate]

September 11 (13:30 KST) - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial, 2nd mediation session

[mint elm]

and thats why she was so confident all of a sudden trying to undercut hybe

[heady gate]

what undercut HYBE?

[mint elm]

like the thing where hybe exadurating when they said she was trying to remove their shares or smth?

[tiny peak]

yes we were very confused when this started because HYBE wasn't behaving like a rational business, but then we learned that company is filled with incels and yes men and every decision is made to inflate that pigs ego

[mint elm]

i genuinely wonder the sudden jump in confidence doing that has me hinting at something

thats my theory anyway

[weak relic]

Alr thanks

[cerulean lake]

i will always hate hybe but i’m starting to hate the media and journalists more day by day

[mint elm]

Imo she has blackmail on something hybe doesnt want released. Thats either about the CEOs, BTS, or maybe the Njz members themselves but i doubt it

[loud rock]

no bc doesnt hybe own the majority of ador

[mint elm]

Ik it was bs but she was a bit confident when she made that jump no?

[loud rock]

iirc she said in a press conference that doing that/undercutting would be impossible

[cerulean lake]

idk she was just joking around with another person based on her texts so idek if i would call her confident bc she even said it’s impossible to overtake ador when hybe owns 80% of the shares

[heady gate]

she has 18%. There is no way for her to undercut HYBE.

[mint elm]

i forgot exactly what but she did something specifically that was a bit confident and potentially anti hybe

[cerulean lake]

maybe she was trolling

[zealous helm]

do u mean the kkts

[mint elm]

i forgot

[loud rock]

yeah she'd have to buy the rest of the shares to undercut them, which would be way to much money

[heady gate]

It is basic math

[mint elm]

yea ik that was a bs excuse on hybes end

[zealous helm]

why would she troll about something this serious

[cerulean lake]

no i meant when she was talking with the other guy on the texts. like she was joking around

[cinder verge]

is the mediation thing over?

[loud rock]

media play from hybe

[heady gate]

September 11 (13:30 KST) - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial, 2nd mediation session

[loud rock]

not joking

[cinder verge]

so the one from today is over

[cerulean lake]

hybe made her ktts seem like she was trying to take over the company but in reality, she was just like talking with another person abt it but not in a serious way

[mint elm]

People need to get over ts, september first was the nazi invasion of poland but we dont do performative thing abt it every september

[heady gate]

yes. check out all their pictures

[mint elm]

k thats a tangent but w/e

[cinder verge]

where can i find the pics?

[mint elm]

same w 4/20 btw ppl need to get over haha funny dates

[heady gate]

the main chat

[zealous helm]

on the worst social media ever

[cerulean lake]

twt?

still believe reddit is worse than twt when it comes to this stuff

[zealous helm]

atleast reddit has sources and not all of them are complete conspiracist theorists

[tiny peak]

source => cyberwreckers and korean incel forums

[zealous helm]

twitter is 200 times worse

[cerulean lake]

true let me clarify

*the kpop subreddits on reddit are the worst. their sources are literally sniper or mexjeans (idk what happened to them)

[mint elm]

Twitter kpop post elon is hella interesting, somehow feels right wing

[zealous helm]

sniper is from the elon app so im not surprised they are wrong a lot of the time

[cerulean lake]

twt just has a bunch of people who can’t think for themselves and follow insufferable people like sniper

but at least on twt, you can tweet dumb stuff and people will call you out on ur bs. people on the kpop subreddits act like they’re the smartest people ever and write paragraphs of nonsense

[mint elm]

which is funnt because i remember BTS famously donating millions to BLM and the entire kpop sphere was like fillebustering racist hashtags

[warm hollow]

did we get a decision today??

[zealous helm]

no

[warm hollow]

cuz i see texts of some of u guys that they want njz back

[upbeat stream]

On nwjns, reddit is a million times worse

Not even close

[zealous helm]

i dont care if they come back or not i just hope they are happy

[warm hollow]

me too of course 🫶🏻 they come first before ANYTHING

[zealous helm]

on the biggest subreddits the consensus is very against mhj and the girls

[empty jetty]

all the kpop*

[zealous helm]

if u go on njz specific ones they are more pro mhj and girls

kind of like how it is in korea rn

[upbeat stream]

Yeah I meant reddit in general. Of course njz subreddits are good

[cinder narwhal]

Both sides remained silent about what was said during the mediation. The court reportedly requested strict confidentiality. The court's strong will to further mediation appears to have been evident.

aww no leaks

[zealous helm]

the media play in korea is strong a lot of my friends are going against mhj especially

hybe pr over there is crazy they say

[mild mist]

Reddit is worse than twitter because everyone knows that twitter is a cesspit
People (incorrectly) have some trust in John reddit

[feral tapir]

i just woke up did we get an update ??

[empty halo]

I need help understanding something, sorry if this is silly but the meetings they're having rn is "mediation". Does this mean ador and mhdhh are tryna settle? Is this not a normal court hearing for the lawsuit?

[empty halo]

Minji and Danielle went to the mediation, didnt give any comments to the media that was waiting outside. Also no media was allowed in the meeting so unless either sides leak something we dont really know

[feral tapir]

ok i think that's better

bc when there is media there are lies and false rumors

[empty halo]

yes, less crazy and schizo speculations

[mild mist]

Yes the judge has encouraged them to settle

[empty halo]

awesome sauce

[feral tapir]

so now what we just wait?

[empty halo]

lowk better idk

[mild mist]

Update - there will be another mediation meeting/hearing in four weeks

[zealous helm]

yup

[empty halo]

reconnect with nature

[feral tapir]

i have plastic plants

[empty halo]

eat them

[feral tapir]

i will

[empty halo]

[feral tapir]

u want some?

[empty halo]

yes I NEED more plastic in my bloodstream

[feral tapir]

noted

[cinder verge]

so there's nothing to come out of the first session from today?

[native anchor]

no one knows

[wooden coral]

Im reconnecting with nature as we speak

[jade jolt]

Well Dani grew up in korea so she is fluent

[hot girder]

That's the last one though, right?

[native anchor]

who said tha

[mild mist]

This dude:
https://m.entertain.naver.com/home/article/108/0003356783

[mint elm]

i love this photo lmfao

[copper jetty]

Nobody knows if it's the last one.

[wanton flint]

i opened twitter to find the news but the comments are not it

is this normal???? 😭

[mild mist]

Yes, twitter is full of scum

[short laurel]

depends on which side of twter u are on. but kpop twt is one of the worse hell on earth.

[copper jetty]

I would take kpop twt than kpop reddit imo.

[upbeat stream]

At least we have significant support as well. On reddit it's just hatred

[empty halo]

as u should

[empty halo]

yes ❤️

[short laurel]

that's why i said one of the.

[storm warren]

https://x.com/kmj3106321/status/1955904363018477807

엉망잔칭_mess (@kmj3106321)

그래 간절한 건 바로 너희지 ㅋㅋ

X · Aug 14, 2025, 8:08 AM

[hushed whale]

[vale grove]

Any updates

[empty halo]

(replies on a post about Bang Si Hyuk and hybe mediaplay)

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[warm hedge]

Is the mediation still going tomorrow? Or is it over in one day

[flint stone]

next is September 11

[vale grove]

So wait, they didn’t reject another mediation date which means they are going through with it?

[polar owl]

Yes, going through with another mediation effort. Nothing more.

[vale grove]

Okay, have a feeling that there is something positive going on though

[polar owl]

Yes, any agreed settlement can be better than an unknown court decision

Also , a settlement allows Hybe to paint themselves in good light (given they are a bigger party) whatever the outcome be...

[fathom onyx]

idk how to feel tbh

[empty halo]

kinda depends on the terms of the settlement and who seemingly gets an upper hand in the pov of the people

[ashen charm]

its still a big risk if newjeans let it go to the october 30th

[empty halo]

and when it comes to the settlement, I doubt that njz will settle for anything less than what they believe they deserve

i dont see them making big compromises

[flint stone]

Not really, hybe/fraudor side main argument is KakaoTalks messages, which where dismissed in mhj case

[polar owl]

See, if after the mediation, the girls walk away with not too high of a penalty, Hybe can say that they considered the interest of the girls.

If they come back to Ador (with some guarantees), but without MHJ, it will be considered as a win for Hybe.

Only if MHJ is reinstated, then the outcome can be considered as positive for the girls - but this is unlikely.

[zealous helm]

yeah mhj still has her 2 other lawsuits so i doubt hybe would bring her back

they also appealed the one she won

[polar owl]

If Newjeans were so sure of the vedict, they would not have agreed for a mediation

[flint stone]

Girls won't return to fraudor, only it return to og ador/how it was before mhj and og team left

[polar owl]

I still believe that Ador / Hybe has the upper hand in the mediation process

[zealous helm]

are the kkt messages considered? i thought they weren't allowed to show them in court

[flint stone]

Mediation is just better way out, if hybe arguments were strong enough mediation probably wouldn't happen

[empty halo]

but doesnt their case hinge on trust being broken, which acc to the judge is quite difficult to objectively determine?

[ashen charm]

newjeans claims has been stronger but is it enough for the court to terminate theres always the risk that the court will choose one or the other its not a slam dunk case for njz

[polar owl]

Yeah, neither side is probably sure of a favourable outcome

[flint stone]

They show it anyway, like they don't care and from what i read court said to stop with kkt messages

[zealous helm]

its court ordered mediation, they wouldve had to do it anyway before the ruling

[polar owl]

I mean Hybe & MHDHH would have probably come to the mediation with exactly contradictory asks.

The court would probably see if there is a middle ground possible.

[vale grove]

That’s why I’m thinking they would let them go with a fee, be able to use the name njz or newjeans and then have them pay a percentage of the money made off of music, merchandise etc.

Probably would give them a few and a choice to work with another label they are friendly with, so they can all discuss terms

[zealous helm]

The 2nd mediation date shows that they are atleast considering an agreement of some sorts

[polar owl]

The fact that Hybe lawyers spent 30 minutes separately means that they tried considering the asks from the girls - but fell short of accepting their demands.

[vale grove]

Right that’s what I thought

[polar owl]

And it may mean both parties climbing down a bit from their initial stance.

[vale grove]

Perhaps so. Maybe it means a larger percentage of the money going from streams + merch + brands going to hybe and a smaller percentage going towards their paycheck

[polar owl]

If the girls are freed, they would not bother about the stream money. They can create new chart-toppers

[ashen charm]

the thing is id rather settle then let it go to the final rulling and some how fraudor crazy evidence surfaces

[sage venture]

the girls have no room for compromise since MHJ is never coming back to that company and that’s exactly what they want So it’s up to the other side to decide

[vale grove]

Yeah but also their old music is so successful, hybe could take
all of the money from their debut, not let them use it for tours, find some other ways to hurt them. I know they for sure are taking this into consideration

[polar owl]

On the other hand, it's most likely MHJ will win most of hwr cases

[vale grove]

I think their old music is very important in understanding why they were so influential, when their producer was brought in, they were brought in with the intention that they had no K-pop experience and had his own unique flair. Just hope they can perform some of their music for tours and make royalties from it

[zealous helm]

the defamation ones?

[ashen charm]

can they afford the termination with payment if that was an option?

[mossy stag]

Good

[polar owl]

If it is not super high, the next label can pay that off...

[ashen charm]

the 3 options for mediation were termination with payment termination and return to ador if i recall

[polar owl]

Principally, NJZ should not be paying money, they should be compensated for getting their prime years wasted. But reality is different.

[zealous helm]

if it is what it is rumoured to be (450 million usd) then they probably need the shadow investors

[polar owl]

The shadow investors were a hoax perpetrated by Hybe

[zealous helm]

they said they could pay the termination fee but thats something only they know

[sage venture]

they won’t pay that astronomical sum even if they lose completely

[ashen charm]

could that why they agreed to a second mediation?

[polar owl]

If Newjeans goes back to Ador, without OG Ador team, they will be reduced to yet another girl group

[empty halo]

they're still getting the revenue from streams and they made millions in the short while when they were active so theyre probably not short on money. also considering how young they are, if the lose the judge wouldn't set the fee too high right?

[zealous helm]

nah its different, i dont think they couldve made a decision on behalf of hyein w/o her parents

[sage venture]

i’m no fortune teller but based on past precedent, it’s far lower than what the media claims

[empty halo]

yay

[polar owl]

They also lost ad revenue

Endorsements

[ashen charm]

she couldve consented before hand

[polar owl]

Also, the opportunity cost

[sage venture]

on the other hand, if the girls win outright, they’ll demand substantial damages So there's some motivation for the company

[polar owl]

Yes, they would have discussed all options beforehand, and what's the no-go territory

[ashen charm]

returning to ador was off the cards probably main reason why danielle attended

[polar owl]

If only the judge gives a clue...

[vale grove]

Unfortunately these things involving contracts usually have no principal, it is after all a business strategy to ensure they don’t want to leave by having that big fee dangling right in their face. It’s to protect the company (not that I agree with them at all)

[zealous helm]

they dont know what was said inside from ador

[vale grove]

Isn’t hybe in debt tho?

[sage venture]

this is why most exclusive contract disputes never make it to a first verdict by the end of the process, the company has almost no leverage left

[polar owl]

Yes, but big companies always show debt. They will survive a nuclear attack

[vale grove]

Ahh yes I forgot debt is like capital almost

[empty halo]

im not exactly sure how the finances of a company as massive as hybe work but i dont think it matters too much. the USA is like 30 trillion dollars in debt 💀

[polar owl]

Was about to say the same

[vale grove]

🤷‍♀️ not too sure myself I just assumed they would really need njz and their termination money

[polar owl]

Not really

[empty halo]

naw theyll be fine without it. its more of a pettiness thing, where they want to make an example out of njz for going against the grain

[vale grove]

True

[polar owl]

Yes, just being evil and nasty

[ashen charm]

mainly about the newjeans ip rather than the members as that what make all the proffit

[vale grove]

Really hope the IP can be given to them and the music

Like I just need to hear attention live 😔

I mean if it’s in their best interest for them not to keep the music and be able to perform it I guess I could hear w it, so long as they are free from hybe

[sage venture]

as I said, even if they lose completely, the payout won’t be that high based on past precedent

[polar owl]

I don't care if NJZ has to start new again. With the right team, we will never have a shortage of good music.

[empty halo]

wouldn't they be able to perform it even if they lose the IP

[vale grove]

I’m not too sure

[empty halo]

njz covering attention by newjeans

[vale grove]

They just can’t call it their music, maybe hybe has some system set in place. Do you need to ask a labels consent to perform songs at concerts?

[polar owl]

But going back to Hybe without OG Ador will be a slow death

[native anchor]

still need permission

to cover that song

[empty halo]

i see

[polar owl]

Yes

[vale grove]

For example during the IVE concert they covered a lot of songs, didn’t they have to ask permission for every cover song? Go to the spice girls label and ask consent?

[native anchor]

yes

[kind hill]

aye what happened to the thing today

[native anchor]

we dont know

all we know is theres another one 11th september

[vale grove]

Hybe would be too petty to let them

[kind hill]

ah icic

tyty

[native anchor]

np

[polar owl]

They need to take the permission of the artists. They may be sued if not.

[empty halo]

if njz does hypothetically win the lawsuit tho, wouldn't it be a terrible look for ador the label that insisted they just want the best for them to sue them for covering the song they created

[sage venture]

nope the company only holds the master rights the song rights belong to the composer BTW anyone can cover anyone only if they pay

[native anchor]

whoever holds the rights

most of the time its the label the artist is under

[zealous helm]

i'm a bit worried where they will get the funding from

[native anchor]

thats why u see artists surprised by covers from njs

like laufey

[polar owl]

Chaebols don't care about reputation that much

[native anchor]

since they ask their managers and labels

[vale grove]

Right, so now how does that work if they are the artists but technically not? For example Danielle is credited as a songwriter on songs, is she also still even gonna get paid royalties for her work?

[native anchor]

not the artist themselves

[empty halo]

i dont think hybe houses any chaebols lol

[polar owl]

The outcome of the judgement will cover all such angles.

[empty halo]

very rich people for sure but not quite chaebols

[polar owl]

I mean they act like one 😂

[empty halo]

that's bc they're all discount chaebols

[zealous helm]

Losing a mismanagement case would look bad enough i dont think a few more lawsuits would make too much of a difference

[empty halo]

true

[vale grove]

Hopefully cause like I’m thinking about EVERYTHING 😆

[polar owl]

The judges/lawyers are doing this day in day out.

[zealous helm]

i hope their public opinion betters too

[polar owl]

Public option is just a small group of haters. If NJZ does a concert today, the stadium will not have any empty seats.

[vale grove]

True

[polar owl]

It's amplified by media play

[empty halo]

two things can be true at once. theyre extremely popular and would sell out stadiums but a considerable amount of people hate them

[vale grove]

Did u mean to reply to me

[empty halo]

no mb 😭

[zealous helm]

Most international general public will forget all about this when if they just release good songs

[vale grove]

LOL it’s oki

[polar owl]

By virtue of the fact that there are separate fandoms, the hate is obvious

[zealous helm]

Korean public will be harder cause of the media

[empty halo]

i really hope they do something like the newjeans jersey club remix bc that shits going viral every few weeks

[zealous helm]

Hanni is basically a meme in korea so i'm a bit worried for her

[empty halo]

also it sounds fire

[zealous helm]

fr

[polar owl]

Generalising, but Korean public has a weird concept of honour and servitude for organisations employing you.

[empty halo]

shes a foreigner, worse, a SE asian. they dont have a lot of empathy for her

[polar owl]

Add every country is racist

[zealous helm]

yeah the narrative of her lying in court was pushed so hard by the media

but when ador supply wrong footage then its nowhere to be found on the news

[polar owl]

I find the SK media more biased than even my own country's and we are bad.

[sage venture]

haters gonna hate Every famous person deals with that it’s just how it is

[zealous helm]

mhjs image is even worse over there

[polar owl]

From the perspective of the girls, they need to be out there performing, making new music - they would like to do at their own terms (mostly). Hybe is not the place for the same without OG Ador.

[empty halo]

Koreans like going with whatever the courts + police say so if the court does side w mhdhh its kinda over for ador 😭

[polar owl]

Haven't been always the case. When fraudor accepted the Hanni video was a different day, how many of the haters stopped hating?

They just need a reason to hate - pathetic people

All this makes me kinda despise this industry.

[sage venture]

those haters never contributed anything to the girls in the first place So no need to care about them

[zealous helm]

kr media bias is damn strong

[sage venture]

that’s because what HYBE’s doing behind the scenes

[storm warren]

u think judge wants mediation to work bc he doesnt want to create new precedent which he will create if njz wins

[polar owl]

Mediation is a part of any civil process

[vale grove]

I mean in the west she’s painted as a child predator/groomer and someone who ruined njz lives to I don’t know I think her reputation is just terrible overall

[storm warren]

its part of it but he is also pushing for it bc he thinks compromise can be reached

[polar owl]

As if no other kpop group has minors

[vale grove]

I agree, I think the whole thing was stretched and beaten to death

[sage venture]

that’s just standard procedure Courts always prefer settlements to reduce appeals

[polar owl]

Yeah, even if NJZ wins, there can be appeals stretching this to few more years. But i think the injunction against them will go away.

[zealous helm]

ig what u mean, they prob dont actually think she is a predator but words like that just get thrown around all the time

[storm warren]

yeah, injunction will not be valid after first instance ruling

genuinely no ceo has clean image in kpop but ppl still stan and support groups

[vale grove]

I had someone at my old job say she was a sexual abuser and genuinely meant it, because of the other misconduct case going on 🫩

[storm warren]

njz will be fine and mhj will be fine as well

[vale grove]

The west absolutely despises her

[zealous helm]

what misconduct case

[storm warren]

did u conduct poll

[polar owl]

People in SK have a bias against women achievers. Or they hold them by a very different moral compass compared to men.

[sage venture]

the injunction is only valid until October 30, no matter what

[vale grove]

Like some of the employees at ador, the sexual harassment thing ?

[storm warren]

"The west" being hybecels

[polar owl]

I don't know for sure.

[storm warren]

they are misinformed and you should have corrected them

[polar owl]

Hybe will try to renew it if they lose and decide to appeal.

[vale grove]

This person doesn’t even like hybe, at a separate event I went to I played cookie and was told to take it off because it was “sexual”

[vale grove]

I did 😊 they still said she was a groomer and should be taken away from the girls

[storm warren]

people are sheep, they dont even bother to do 5 minute research nowadays instead repeat what Karens from Ohio obsessed w bts oppas say on reddit

[vale grove]

I mean yes, but the west absolutely hates her

[polar owl]

West has been sexualising young girls for an eternity

[zealous helm]

mhj gets dragged in kr too by the media, most my friends tell me most people they speak to about the situation aren't fans of mhj, of course this isnt representive of the whole of korea but yk

[storm warren]

they are lost cause then

[zealous helm]

online they hate her in real life people couldnt give one

[vale grove]

No people do that’s the thing, I live in New York/New Jersey which is the second biggest K-pop area in the west, you cannot say you like mhj there or you WILL be kicked out of K-pop spaces

[polar owl]

I think as bunnies, we overreact on the hate thing. This is primarily virtual.

[polar owl]

Hybecels

[vale grove]

And like honestly it sucks because there is so much misinformation

[storm warren]

well consider it honor to be kicked out from hybecel dominated spaces

[vale grove]

Not even atp just K-pop fans in general I see them all the time, girl group stans boy group fans even people who dislike hybe as a whole

Just saying the hate for her there is unreal and has real consequences if u mention her

[storm warren]

will they arrest me

[polar owl]

It's a fashion to hate somebody. Makes them look cool. Just say fu and get out of the place

[sage venture]

that's not realistic

[zealous helm]

i dont think they know they are hybecels but its just that the media is pushed by hybe so much that it favours them

i dont think every person who hates mhj is going OMG i love hybe

[vale grove]

Why does no one believe what I’m saying is true I’ve experienced it firsthand 🫩

[storm warren]

we believe u, its just not that deep

[vale grove]

Okay but I was just stating a fact

[storm warren]

sure, still doesnt matter what kpop fans think. they have formed their opinions and will always be biased

[polar owl]

People are generally gullible. They lack critical thinking and attention to detail. This is how politicians I don't want to name are in power.

[storm warren]

njz will be fine regardless

[sage venture]

we need to wait just 77 days

[vale grove]

I mean that’s all that really matters my point was just that I don’t think mhjs reputation will ever be fully fixed over here

[storm warren]

its not the end of the world

[zealous helm]

not like mhj rep matters anyway she isnt gonna go back to hybe

[storm warren]

i bet she doesnt care either

[polar owl]

It doesn't need fixing. People just follow success. The moment she wins her cases, gets back to work, produces cool shit, all of them will just be silent.

[storm warren]

and genuinely why would i want to be part of any kpop space. they kill my braincells, id rather interact with bunnies. after all njz is only kpop group i care about

[vale grove]

Yeah the only reason I brought it up is bc someone mentioned internationally her reputation will be okay, but that’s just not as simple as it is, but I digress. I only care about njz and their reputation

[storm warren]

njz has fans and will continue to have. they cant please everyone and haters will hate

[polar owl]

True. I cannot connect with any other fandom except one in Japan.

[sage venture]

there're many njz fans who don't listen to kpop at all

[storm warren]

literally

[polar owl]

I might be almost one of them - but do listen to a few songs from few groups.

[storm warren]

they have one stream and one album sale from me

we will get to 100 eventually

indiejeans supremacy

[polar owl]

I would love a shoegazey Newjeans...

[zealous helm]

ngl if they go indie i would be worried about their funding

[ashen charm]

i feel like hybe rigged the video calls

[storm warren]

what video calls

[ashen charm]

meet and greet one for albums

[vale grove]

Aren’t video calls based off a lottery but also kind of based off who buys the most albums?

[storm warren]

yeah

[analog depot]

If NewJeans do get freed from ADOR- what will happen to their current music?? Would it still be okay to listen and buy merch or what

[polar owl]

https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/korean/former-hybe-trainee-reacts-to-hate-after-revealing-she-was-removed-from-newjeans-no-intention-of-exposing-but-article-152462240

I read Haerin at first 😒

[sage venture]

this one reeks of TAG

[polar owl]

If girls get a cut, I would listen to the music. If not, I have every music sitting locally on my phone. Merch, I will never buy if MHDHH leave.

[fathom onyx]

yea they're getting a share for being the vocal performers, and the writing credits for some of the songs as well

dani has a writing credit for super shy, haerin for new jeans, etc

(IIRC)

[polar owl]

But if they leave, there will be an agreement on such loyalties.

It will all depend on what you negotiate

[short laurel]

removed from N-team*

[snow furnace]

I almost have all of NewJeans' songs stored locally. gotta check again what's missing.

[fathom onyx]

I have prob half of them 😅

[sage venture]

so weird N-Team was in 2020, ADOR was founded in November 2021, and NewJeans’ members signed their contracts in 2022 What she talking about?

[polar owl]

Have all of them, including covers, show appearances, ads. Almost everything on the Newjeans channel 😄

[fathom onyx]

🤯

[polar owl]

Just watch their content when you are not feeling good. Sure to fire you up. ☺️

[short laurel]

She talked about n team. It's media n haters who twisted the story n her agency start riding on it for clout.
Though her ig liking bad comment is sus.

https://x.com/Bloodstar012/status/1955949307305017356?t=Z6qx4uXm5Xwhim2ik47uHQ&s=19
This is something about bsh but i have no idea what they are talking about.

Bloodstar (@Bloodstar012)

방시혁이 왜 임명식에 초청되었냐고 물으시는 분들이 계신데,

아직 수사도 다 안 끝난 상황에서 주가조작 의혹만 가지고 배제시키면 그건 사법의 영역에 정치가 간접적으로 개입하는 꼴이 됩니다.

검찰개혁을 하는 이유가 뭔지 생각해보면, 기소가 되고 나서야...

X · Aug 14, 2025, 11:07 AM

[polar owl]

The media is putting an headline - Newjeans Harin...

[sage venture]

tomorrow is the 80th Liberation Day and the new president is holding a ceremony where business leaders are being invited There’s a report that BSH has been invited and people don't like it

[short laurel]

Hybe still a top company under ministry of labour even after all this.

[mossy stag]

I love America

[sage venture]

sry we're talking about Korea

[mossy stag]

Erm actually America helped Korea

[polar owl]

All governments are controlled by the industry heads. In US, we give it a fancy term - lobbying.

[waxen musk]

Today was a lot more peaceful than I expected. Obviously we will see how long that lasts.

[mossy stag]

https://tenor.com/view/ayna-gibisin-rageatanlevo-youre-like-a-mirror-gif-15880411

[polar owl]

Media will probably get bytes from Hybe soon if they are not serious about the chances of success in the mediation process.

[short laurel]

Not true. China, North Korea are 2 examples

[mossy stag]

Bc the gov controls the industries

[short laurel]

Yup

[mossy stag]

😂

[polar owl]

Govt is the industry here.

[short laurel]

Yup

[mild mist]

The politburo are the industry heads

[short laurel]

Ngl. I find north korea parapaganda tiktok cute

[mild mist]

Innocent until proven guilty innit? At the moment he's just the head of a rich conglomerate

[fast snow]

Lowkey haven’t paid attention to this in a while how’s it looking for the girls?

[short laurel]

No idea

[polar owl]

The rich seldom are guilty.

[analog depot]

So it’s best for me to get how sweet asap then

[polar owl]

Yeah, needs your attention

[sage venture]

so it’s just a 'I was in the debut team of girls’ generation' thing? but I saw the clip and she said she signed an exclusive contract also her agency changed her profile to 2020 ADOR trainee which is not possible because there's no ADOR in 2020

[short laurel]

Exactly.

[polar owl]

Maybe - a to-be Ador like entity

[short laurel]

She probably mixing trainee contract with exclusive

Man anti's kinda getting too much with this. I know it's toxic but i really have urge to hate on them by using hybe trainees that didn't made it.
It's bad i know

Ooh we should remind them that it was somu who was taking credit for selection of newjeans members

[sage venture]

i don’t know, it just reeks of a typical HYBE setup, but maybe I’m overreacting

[vale grove]

That all depends on the terms and agreements, on who gets paid what percentage, and if the girls are making royalties

And I mean, if the girls weren’t making any money on it, it’s gonna be a situation like Luna, where fans make Spotify accounts that aren’t associated with hybe so they can’t get money from streaming but fans can still listen to music

*loona sorry I’m using speech to text

[short laurel]

It is hybe setup. Her interview was long ago n it made rounds right after bsh news pf his phone getting detained at airport as soon as he landed

[sage venture]

would they really do it? They’re already under a special investigation by the National Tax Service, and NTS staff are literally stationed inside the company right now

[polar owl]

Does that investigation have any link to this?

[short laurel]

Tag pr. Records of it is in usa

[short laurel]

The timing is to cover up bsh like always.

There was even articles saying ppl are being too harsh on bsh over unconfirmed allegations.
But no such energy for mhj n njz

[sage venture]

NTS staff for this special investigation have insane power they can request any document at any time If there’s any loose end, they’ll catch it this time

[short laurel]

Hopefully.

[sage venture]

yep I don’t know if they think they can pull this off without getting caught or if they just have to do it despite the risk, but either way, it doesn’t look like a smart move

[short laurel]

Well tbf from the start what hybe did wasn't smart move

[sage venture]

lol

[fathom onyx]

real

[heady gate]

interesting

[vale grove]

Fails???

Why are we wielding it like that I doubt this mediation was going to be the only time they discussed this 💀

[flint stone]

They are just suggesting but put it like they know something

[heady gate]

correct

[vapid turret]

So what did I miss?

[heady gate]

September 11 (13:30 KST) - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial, 2nd mediation session

[flint stone]

everything that will come out can be considered as a mediaplay. I hope girls' team can say something, because articles with fairytales are soon to be posted

[vapid turret]

What kind of fairytale information?

[heady gate]

The court case discussion is confidential.

[flint stone]

Not information, just fairytale
I don't know, whatever they can think of, something like "second mediation soon and nj will return" (which is not happening)

[flint stone]

Yeah, we will know something only if nj team tell something (only them because I don't believe fraudor/hybe will say truth)

[heady gate]

There is a new head of the FSC and the FSS. We may see more development of HYBE and BSH in the next 4 weeks.

[wanton flint]

can hybe stop with the media play especially that little liar harin whatever that girl is 🌚

like no wonder njz is scared of you because tbf if i got media played and got called a liar like hanni i would cry

i bet 50 bucks they also tried to media play dani and hanni by saying they were reportedly looked sad like leave them alone on god 😭

[native anchor]

Harin never said anything bad about njs

That's media play too

[heady gate]

you are asking a bully to stop bullying. You are too funny.

[analog depot]

She hasn’t said anything bad but what people have noticed is that apparently she’s been liking comments shading newjeans- I saw this on twitter

[native anchor]

Who cares what she's liking and what not

She hasn't made any statement herself

Everything else is just nitpicking

[waxen musk]

This is the only information we got out of the mediation (https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1956032727842742649)

The 40 minute thing from Ador is true. Its not content from the private hearing itself so I guess it was fine for the reporters to report it but Ador's side left the building 40 mins into the mediation to have a separate meeting outside. We don't know what it is for so so anything below is speculation but

1. Since the case involves minors, it could be that the judge wanted to hear NJZ's side without the presence of Ador

2. It could be that Ador needed to discuss things with their actual representative, BSH and the board of HYBE
   so had to leave the building for a bit

3. Could be they just needed some fresh air, who knows