NJZ Updates and Discussion

[upbeat stream]

Links to the nwjns website

[frozen granite]

Maybe it’s an old screenshot ?

[upbeat stream]

On June 13th 2025, ador still linked to nwjns website. There's no capture after that on the wayback machine, and then on July 23rd it redirected to ador audition website

[copper jetty]

Is this a sign??

Whoever is up there directing the world and happenings please let this be a sign

[frozen granite]

Pls god take all the pain of the girls & give it to antis

[waxen musk]

What does ADOR gain by winning? They'll still be effectively in the same position they're in right now, without the girls.
What does ADOR gain by offering an "acceptable" settlement? Potentially a huge chunk of money that they wouldn't get otherwise.
I know this way of thinking is very simple, but let me wish.

Ofc if the girls win they wouldn't have to do this. But there's no guarantee of who will win.

[hoary frost]

I saw people saying that Ador removed NewJeans from their website, is this a sign?

[waxen musk]

It does seem they have at least updated the adoraudition.world website between 23 Jul and now. I don't know what they're up to. I honestly don't think this is a sign of anything other them trying to quickly consolidate their audition website onto one URL instead of two. I doubt much more thought was put into it other than that.

Before, ador.world and adoraudition.world provided the same purpose, to promote their auditions, but the content of each was very slightly different but effectively the same.

Now I'm seeing some people saying the newjeans.kr website doesn't work for them. It works for me. I also don't know if I'm vaguely remembering having this issue in the past (when the website was updated in June 2024) maybe because of dodgy redirections or something (I don't trust my memory so I'm not sure).

tl;dr I don't think anything weird is happening

[copper jetty]

What if Ador puts newjeans IP in settlement but the girls need to pay x amount...

[waxen musk]

One step at a time. They certainly could in the future, maybe even immediately after they resolve the contract dispute.

[copper jetty]

Cause I don't think they can redebut newjeans without a single remaining member so what are they even gonna do with the IP?

[waxen musk]

That's what I've been saying.
What do they achieve if they win, but the girls don't return?
But what I was saying above is maybe ADOR is willing to settle if they offer the girls to pay a certain amount to cancel their contracts.
And then after that IP rights can be discussed.
But if they settle, ADOR gains a chunk of money, rather than not getting anything by simply just winning.
Obviously same can be said about the IP, but the contract dispute comes first.

[red thorn]

Virtual group with the powerfuff girls character

[waxen musk]

Let's think of ways ADOR makes money from NewJeans today and in the future:

• Music streams
  • Doubt it pays much
  • Old content
• YouTube views
  • Doubt it pays much
  • Old content
• Existing album and merch sales
  • LINE friends already stopped selling PPG stuff (cmiiw)
• New merch
  • People will boycott
• The last remnants of whichever brand deals exists (OLENs, Chanel, Calvin Klein)
  • Will expire soon and will not be updated without the girls

What makes the most money? New music, new album sales, new merch sales, and TOURS. They won't be able to get ANY of this even if they win.

Basically all of that amounts to barely anything.

Another way of making money:

• Offer a deal to the girls to settle for X billion KRW, something fairly realistic that the girls would consider, not some absurd amount

BAM, profit. EZ money.

BUT... if this was all about money, they could have kept on NewJeans and gave them what they want and then EZ money.

But the thing is it's not about NewJeans IP or the girls. It's that they don't want to pay MHJ. A completely different lawsuit ongoing that if MHJ wins could end up with HYBE having to pay out a lot, something they obvioulsy are trying to avoid... hmmmm

[ashen charm]

The ip belongs to hybe unfortunately there gunna have to go the fromis 9 route and take hybe to court if they want the ip

[clear hill]

Newjeans stopped being on the official Hybe groups list on the Hybe websites so I’m not surprised

Sorry lemme correct myself, they were on the website but if you clicked on their name it would say error lol

[clear hill]

Give all their pain and suffering and trauma and double it for the antis and Hybe stans🥀

[upbeat stream]

No AI is wrong, the ip belongs to ador. Not that it really matters since ador is no longer independent

Hybe technically has nothing to do with newjeans, it's an unrelated 3rd party. That's the argument they've been using in court and why stuff like hybe ceo saying newjeans will be sent on an 18 month break or saying that they intend to destroy newjeans get dismissed.

[copper jetty]

Idk. Quick and easy buck for Ador to just settle so it could realistically happen but Hybe needs to agree since Ador is now = Hybe

[ashen charm]

Why did newjeans mention that they will get the ip back if it was owned by ador back then ?

[upbeat stream]

Idk, maybe they are eventually gonna go to court to determine a fair price for the ip. No idea how that works

[waxen musk]

All the girls ever said was that they'd like to get the name back. But it's something that hasn't even begun and won't until after the contract dispute is sorted.

[ashen charm]

Danielle said if I remember

[waxen musk]

Yeah I don't even remember anything else being said about it ever. That's it.

We really need to stop jumping the gun about IP rights lol. Contract dispute first.

[red thorn]

?
They on termination stance, means out from the agency, regardless who own the IP hybe or ador
It's clear that the girls prohibited using the IP

[ashen charm]

Fair enough I think njz is perfectly fine they don't need the newjeans name right now once they terminate they hold all the cards

[tired sundial]

ion even know what is going on anymore, i just wanna see them back on stage again

[ashen charm]

There health and wellbeing comes first

[feral tapir]

i think the group's name is something we shouldn't even care about like just bring back the girls🥀

whatever their name will be

[snow furnace]

NewDenim💔

[feral tapir]

NewGin

https://tenor.com/view/gobble-gif-1825124555203003299

[copper jetty]

Lmao can you imagine what their lore would be or what if they somehow incorporate their previous experience as newjeans (or previous group) in their new concept?

The possibility of it makes me so excited.

[frozen granite]

I’m tired 🫩 https://x.com/poppykpoppie/status/1954275014351761444?s=46

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

no more newjeans on ador site only means one thing……

X · Aug 9, 2025, 8:14 PM

[snow furnace]

ditto concept continues

[copper jetty]

More like omg... the way they shifted to different types of people...

[frozen granite]

I don’t think tokkis are mad I see them more celebrating than anything

[feral tapir]

are they aware the opposite is happening rn?

[frozen granite]

I don’t think so

Someone should tell them

[snow furnace]

I like the concept when Ban Heesoo appeared, I wonder what if it continued to the timestamp where they had their fightback recently.

[feral tapir]

but like if they can't use bernice anymore and allat they can just make another bunny design and call it something else no?

[snow furnace]

yea

[feral tapir]

bc ador does not own all the bunnies of the world

especially not us

ok that was greasy

[frozen granite]

But we already have another bunny ?

[feral tapir]

well technically they already used a similar bunny with ador

like the overall shape have been used quite a lot

just look at their lightstick

[snow furnace]

that binkybong

[feral tapir]

yeee this shape been used everywhere

although they don't own a shape either technically

they don't own shit bring back bernice

[ashen charm]

NewBeans

[feral tapir]

NewJorts

[ashen charm]

NEWSHEENS

[feral tapir]

NewZealand

[cinder narwhal]

residuals?

[short laurel]

U sure about this? Google ai summary is not right place to check.
Ip would usually belong to ador. Hybe as major shareholder can influence it.

[heady gate]

This is my hypothesis. What if MHJ win her shareholder case on Sep 11? Hybe would have to pay her. Due to HYBE low cash flow, they have to sell NJ IP to MHJ.

[ashen charm]

ador website is pretty much hybe it was a sub label not its jus a full label

[heady gate]

Song IP is based on who own the master. Korean Music Copyright Association shows NJ songs managing company is ADOR.

[empty halo]

keep it, sell newjeans merch and albums, prevent the girls from having full control over the branding bc they hate the girls

once the members are active and popular in the public again, i wouldnt put it past a petty company like ador to sell merch in their name to make a quick buck

[upbeat stream]

At some point, that'll give them diminishing returns, which they would still have to share with the members. And should njz win, that would make it very unbalanced, njz would be making all the money from their own activities, while also earning from newjeans merch and album sales. It would be far smarter to sell the ip to the girls (via a royalty agreement perhaps)

Of course, all of this if njz wins. If they lose... well I don't even wanna consider that scenario

[rugged dagger]

I LOVE NEWJEAAAAANS

[empty halo]

well in that case, the members are definitely gonna fight for the name and try to get to an agreement w ador

[empty halo]

if they lose, pay the fine and terminate their contracts, can they not fight for the name anymore?

[rugged dagger]

im sure ador might be willing to sell for the right price
unless end goal is to keep newjeans down then....

[upbeat stream]

Well they can be petty all they want, but as I said, the moment they try to make any money using the ip they would have to share the profits

[polar owl]

14th Aug / 30th Oct has not happened yet; and we are talking about reclaiming IP rights. That's the way to go Tokkis 😅

Website re-directing is probably positive, but let's hold our horses...

[upbeat stream]

Haha we are all tired of this contract dispute bs, ip and music rights is more interesting to discuss

[polar owl]

Sure, why not 😜

Also, I am hoping that by now, the judge has also started to listen to Newjeans tracks - probably helps him relax just before going to bed...😉

[clear hill]

The judge probably has kids at home who love newjeans 😭 the ahjussis and the ajummas love newjeans they have nothing but certified bangers

[short laurel]

It depends on the agreement made initially. Ador was always considered it's subsidiary. N subsidiaries owns the ip usually n parent company use again depends on agreement. N they have to follow the guidelines provided by law mamers. In this case korea music copyright association as seen from pic rich posted, ip belongs to ador n not hybe.

[clear hill]

It’s nice to say that newjeans is one of the few kpop groups that have music that transcends between generations, genders, social groups, etc. The reason why their success can’t be imitated is because they make music that brings people together. I have friends who mainly listen to hip hop, industrial, techno, metal and they can all say they like a newjeans song

I was listening to newjeans while cleaning the house and my mom sat down and watched the MVs and performances while I was jamming out to newjeans. I don’t think she really cares for kpop but even she said they were so cute and their music is really good 🥺

[red thorn]

Technically ador is the rights holder of the IP such as name trademark, it's on paper
And most likely the master recording too
But since hybe has the major stake on ador, they have the right to control on the decision regarding the IP I guess

[short laurel]

yea

[raven kelp]

https://x.com/theholymedium/status/1954370404274897170

Formless Oeden (@theholymedium)

@nwjnsev In between comebacks it was always an audition site though, the green page is also for auditions, then it showed ditto during ditto and so on

X · Aug 10, 2025, 2:33 AM

i don't know if this is true or not just sharing what i saw here

[hollow sorrel]

https://newjeans.kr/

it’s strange that the newjeans website is also down… could ADOR be preparing for a domain transfer or something

[cinder narwhal]

it's true but it was also never blatantly hybe ish

[sweet pebble]

any updates?

[short laurel]

it's working for me though

[upbeat stream]

It never redirected to a different website though

[hollow sorrel]

oop I was checking it multiple times earlier today and it was down

[upbeat stream]

Based on twt, it seems that the website is inaccessible for some users, perhaps due to their settings or some extension, etc

[short laurel]

twt talking about ador world. not newjeans.kr.

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1954331745765212532?t=LXbYO1ag9f7fRndyZYYCaA&s=33

soy 🏎️🏁 (& wswf) (@soyamoyas)

tell me what you see and where your location is (im in New Zealand now)

X · Aug 9, 2025, 11:59 PM

Always worked for me

[native anchor]

still there for me

[red thorn]

Worked for me
Skill issue

[native anchor]

prob just an outage or something others experienced

[snow furnace]

with and without dns, adblocker, or vpn, it's fine

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/JasmeenAlana/status/1954396122065117635

𝒥𝓈. ♡ (@JasmeenAlana)

Njz has spent nearly as much time in a feud with HYBE (1 year and 4 months) as they did at peace (1 year and 8 months) during their 3-year career. Let that sink in. They didn’t even get the chance to reach their peak yet and still maintained being one of the biggest ggs ever.

X · Aug 10, 2025, 4:15 AM

tf has it really been that long 💀

[native anchor]

yep

april last year

[storm warren]

I don't think ador changing website layout and removing NJ icon means anything in regards of upcoming mediation or in general

It just shows how fake they are. while they beg for NJZ to come back, they are full aware that this is not possibility, hence, subtly changing direction and plans to accommodate new groups

[short laurel]

if it was for many people. it was probably outage either form ador side or from their dns. there's dns error that's been happening with all the new censor ship stuff going on if they happen to use same dns it can happen. if it's for few people. local IP sometimes get this kind of errors.

[storm warren]

what ador achieves by winning? it will establish the fact that njz breached contract first and they will have justification to claim damages

its about them getting money + hindering njz future + being vindictive

full package

[wary creek]

on Aug 14, will there be any news coming out of the mediation or will it be quiet until Oct 30

[waxen musk]

Yeah I purposefully left out saying they could do that if they win. What I failed to explain wasn’t what if one side or the other side wins what happens, but what is guaranteed and known from a judgement that is entirely unknown, versus what can be achieved with certain results through a settlement.

[waxen musk]

When news about the mediation happening came out after the last hearing all I saw was people saying that it’s entirely private and the details of it will not be made public. So if any deal is made, we might not ever know what it was other than the result from it. Or if a deal isn’t made, we’ll also not know but that gives HYBE the advantage to media play and say whatever they like about how ungrateful the girls were for refusing their offer that we can’t even verify.

Also, the mediation I believe doesn’t just start and end on the same day, Thursday. It could of course end on the day, but if things are negotiable, it could take weeks.

I’m still not believing anything will happen until October and HYBE has already prepared for media play.

[wary creek]

true, they could end up negotiating throughout august to october. Hopefully, the girls will have more leverage since so much financial crimes have come to light for hybe.

[waxen musk]

Things will certainly change fast for HYBE. I just really can’t predict how much it will affect anything related to these court hearings though.

[waxen musk]

tl;dr settlement could be favourable to an unknown judgement, from either side’s perspective

[wary creek]

sounds like we won't hear anything until october or maybe get false leaked news from hybe.

[waxen musk]

The only way we’ll hear anything related to the mediation is if either side talks about it. HYBE loves to do that. NJZ always stay quiet. HYBE controls the narrative whether what they say is true or false. You saw how even in a hearing with the public present, how the media didn’t even report on a good portion of what literally happened and we had to rely on Tokkis who attended. We won’t have that with the private mediation. There was that fake letter from supposed NewJeans fans (didn’t even call themselves Bunnies) not that long ago demanding this and that, plus lots of accounts created showing support for this. This is what people believes was them setting up for saying the girls are ungrateful for not accepting any deals from ADOR.

[waxen musk]

Even people I usually like to read on Twitter are starting to form theories and speculation based on the website stuff from earlier but this is probably the first time I’ve chosen to disagree with these people I respect. And the theories are all over the place lol, good and bad

[hushed whale]

the website thing doesnt mean anything, tokkis are just bored lol

[copper jetty]

Maybe it's just tokkium. I myself want to believe it's something positive for the girls.

[raven kelp]

any update on the hybe/bsh financial fraud? there were a lot of discussions about that in this chat few days ago, why is it quiet all of a sudden--

[mild mist]

no news
justice department is doing its thing

[copper jetty]

Cause there's no news about it. They still investigating

Though it's kinda weird that the apology came first before the actual verdict...

Does that mean that the government might really find something...

[waxen musk]

They wouldn't be at this point of the process if they didn't already find something that gave them so much power to search HYBE at all times of the day and night.

Don't they have until the end of the month to search? I'd expect stuff only after then.

[tawdry vessel]

until 16th

[copper jetty]

Idk... maybe I'm just being pessimistic but I'm thinking the opposite. They wouldn't be this hell bent if they already found something... I think they still need something prosecute Hybe.

[waxen musk]

All I've heard is you can't be granted that much power unless there's a good reason.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1954472905607168305

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

for those saying that it's okay for newjeans to walk away without their masters...you need to know this:

X · Aug 10, 2025, 9:20 AM

[waxen musk]

Hmm. Making it sound like they can make that money a lot easier than I imagined earlier.

It's funny how wild our imaginations are going right now.

Been seeing people wondering if this means HYBE is prepared to sell ADOR... all the while they've updated their AUDITION website for AUDITIONS...

Seen so much silly stuff, myself included tbh

[short laurel]

atleast girls as singers and models will still be getting royalties. it's not best but it's not worse. whats most important is girls freedom. they'll worry about that after this current case.

[cinder narwhal]

this post is saying as if the girls should be stubborn and be like "masters or no deal"
or am i understanding it wrong

[mild mist]

is 2) correct? RIAK rules used to say that royalties had to be paid to the singers

[short laurel]

the post comment below the post.

girls will get royalties.

[waxen musk]

I think if all this happened people would lean towards a boycott anyway

[cinder narwhal]

so they didn't review chatgpt before posting? they're contradicting their own post 🤦‍♀️ classic x user

[waxen musk]

I dunno nobody's making much sense at the minute including me

[mild mist]

(when did the wordfilter get taken away)
I don't think that any boycott would make any difference

[short laurel]

read point 5

them boycott is free.

[native anchor]

4 days

[waxen musk]

4 days until nothing happens.

I want more than anything to happen. But I really don't think anything will.

[native anchor]

gotta stay optimistic

[waxen musk]

What I want to happen and what I think will happen are two different things.

[native anchor]

not necessarily

u chose to think this meeting will not amend to anything

[cinder narwhal]

real

[pseudo heath]

If it was an AI song id understand but real people made it

[short laurel]

apparently we wouldn't get it if we aren't an artists v_v

or so i was told above

[pseudo heath]

Personally the song is not my cup of tea but as long as its not AI no reason to be annoyed

[short laurel]

yup

[pulsar wasp]

Reading all the updates and speculation on NJZ being removed for ADOR website, I’m transferring all my positive energy to the NJZ members and legal team

[ashen charm]

Any chance newjeans get phoning as part of the settlement

[feral tapir]

[ashen charm]

Also take bernice if we have to

[short laurel]

Phoning is part of weverse.

[pseudo heath]

there's no newjeans without bernice

[ashen charm]

Is it now becuase I remember when it opened it was separate from weverse by ador

[tawdry vessel]

free bernice

cant wait for bernice to be reunited with njz

[mild mist]

even then it used the same backend and infrastructure

[native anchor]

phoning was powered by weverse

well still is

[ashen charm]

Ah unfortunate

[tawdry vessel]

i hate insta live notifs are delayed and cant turn off/hide the cringe ahh chat comments

[feral tapir]

i dont even get a single notification when they're all turned on

[bronze talon]

Real

[pseudo heath]

I didn't even know they used insta live

[native anchor]

i mean

they did maybe

5 lives

[pseudo heath]

Where would they go live if they come back

[native anchor]

depends how they come back

independent prob insta under ador phoning

[pseudo heath]

hmm

Alr alr, I've never been to a live so would be cool if I could see

[tidal crystal]

I know this is late but newjeans no longer being in ador website a good thing or bad thing?

[heady gate]

some ppl said it is good, but I would wait until Aug 14

[wise cargo]

The website?? Excuse me

[pseudo heath]

August 14th

4 more days

[native anchor]

✅

[clear hill]

This has been happening for a while though, not just recently

Maybe like a month or so because I remember bringing it up here

[native anchor]

its still there

[cerulean lake]

true. i’m just irked bsh is gonna get away with his crimes because of his connections smh

[loud rock]

guys is the thing abt njz being removed from adors website true???

[midnight yarrow]

Yes. Any anything else you read outside of that is pure speculation/conjecture. We should just wait to see what happens after the mediation session.

[frozen granite]

3 more days! I think

[hushed whale]

https://m.entertain.naver.com/home/article/586/0000109163

NewJeans Wins Lawsuit Against YouTuber for Sexual Harassment
According to a report by Sisa Journal on August 11, Judge Lee Ah-young of the Seoul Western District Court’s Civil Division 13 ordered the defendant, identified only as Shin, to pay damages of 5 million KRW (approx. $3,700 USD) each to NewJeans members Minji, Hanni, and Danielle, and 7 million KRW (approx. $5,200 USD) each to Haerin and Hyein, on June 25. Since Shin did not appeal, the ruling was finalized on July 22.
The lawsuit was represented by the law firm Yulchon, and their agency, ADOR, did not participate in the litigation.

[cinder narwhal]

where's the protection now ador

now i need bleach after reading the article

[hushed whale]

yeah its something, also kyj busy editing videos so no protection lol

[red thorn]

Sniper and jinjin when

[heady gate]

$21500 USD is a small amount for a YouTuber. It needs to be 10x that amount.

[short laurel]

New government said they'll do something. There was even a petition on it. Lets c if they'll do something

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1954776917363831133?t=HCp9ahminlqJUDZYAzaxdA&s=19

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy)

Sisa Journal's article had been edited from Ador not having anything to do with the lawsuit, to Ador filing it in June 2024.

Whatever the case, Hybe is trying to take credit for the protective measures done when MHJ was still in control of Ador

X · Aug 11, 2025, 5:28 AM

[frozen granite]

Even propbase tweeted https://x.com/popbase/status/1954590341144686980?s=46

Pop Base (@PopBase)

ADOR has removed all mentions of NewJeans (NJZ) from their website.

X · Aug 10, 2025, 5:07 PM

[inland glade]

their website has been transitioned into an auditions only page now

[frozen granite]

This is where it takes me

[inland glade]

https://adoraudition.world/en/history

typing in the url ador.world also redirects you straight to that website

[frozen granite]

Where would it take you before this?

[inland glade]

okay nvm upon further research it turns out the ador website barely even mentioned newjeans to begin with and was purely for auditions

i used the internet archive and checked for reddit posts confirming this https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/comments/1mmxt3r/ador_has_removed_all_references_to_newjeans/

newjeans.kr is still up too so that’s a good sign

[upbeat stream]

barely doing a lot of heavy lifting. The fact is, ador's website used to mention newjeans, just like other sublabels do. Now it redirects to the audition website and makes no such mention

It probably doesn't mean anything significant though

Also, it's now copyrighted to hybe instead of ador. Again, every other sublabel's website is copyrighted to itself

[inland glade]

i never claimed this was a breakthrough or anything 😭 i’m just reporting from what i can see and what others have seen for themselves

and i checked using the internet archive. even on snapshots of ador.world waaaay before the dispute there was still barely any mention of newjeans

[upbeat stream]

It linked to the newjeans website, now it doesn't. I think when people say it mentioned nj, that's what they mean

[inland glade]

there was no direct mention of newjeans either other than a tiny little greyscale button with ‘nj’ on it
i’d love to show you a screenshot but i don’t have embed perms

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, I know. But now even that is gone, that's the point

[inland glade]

clearly they just revamped the whole website (the url change from ador.world to adoraudition.world) and removed that little button being the only mention of newjeans in doing so

they’re still listed as artists on hybe’s website (https://hybecorp.com/kor/main) so i think this is really just insignificant

[hushed whale]

they used to show newjeans mvs or auditions, mostly auditions

[cinder narwhal]

correct

it was almost always for auditions

tbh this website thing is hugely overblown

[hushed whale]

https://web.archive.org/web/20250613083450/http://ador.world/ this was in june before the redirect to adoraudition.world, still has link to nj
all auditions from hybe use the same template, none of them mention the label in the copyright footer
https://www.hybemusicaudition.com/en
https://koz.hybeaudition.com/en
https://beliftlab.hybeaudition.com/en
https://www.bighitaudition.com/en
they just forgot to put newjeans link on the audition site, it doesnt mean anything

[inland glade]

i think tokkis are all just going insane atp 😭

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1954779267994382339

[harsh dove]

@sheepymcsheepy <t:1754890670:d>

[Exclusive] The National Tax Service deploys two elite investigative teams to Hybe, launching a 90-day, high-intensity special tax investigation.

https://www.fieldnews.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=20346

[hushed whale]

crazy that you can still subscribe to phoning. ador should temporarily disable new subscriptions
literally false advertising lol the girls left 8 months ago

[vestal rover]

not them doing side quests 😭

[pseudo heath]

What did the youtuber do

[mild mist]

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[narrow seal]

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NewJeans Wins Lawsuit Against YouTuber for Sexual Harassment
According to a report by Sisa Journal on August 11, Judge Lee Ah-young of the Seoul Western District Court’s Civil Division 13 ordered the defendant, identified only as Shin, to pay damages of 5 million KRW (approx. $3,700 USD) each to NewJeans members Minji, Hanni, and Danielle, and 7 million KRW (approx. $5,200 USD) each to Haerin and Hyein, on June 25. Since Shin did not appeal, the ruling was finalized on July 22.
The lawsuit was represented by the law firm Yulchon, and their agency, ADOR, did not participate in the litigation.
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[pseudo heath]

oh ty

Also what's the deal with the boy group ador is trying to debut? I heard they were supposed to be the sibling group to newjeans

[mild mist]

I'm not sure that anyone knows at this point
I don't think that hybe publishes a quarterly schedule like SM so we don't know if they're being prepped for début or still auditioning

[pseudo heath]

okay, ty

[short laurel]

They've been auditioning for nearly 2 years.

I think some trainees left as soon as mhj left.

[native anchor]

well

i get that

if u like her or not

she is pretty famous for her success

[clear hill]

Who is shin? What did they do?

[pseudo heath]

seems to be a weirdo youtuber

[cinder narwhal]

read the article

[steel depot]

Am I the only one who thinks 100M won is not enough

[feral tapir]

better than nothing ig

[steel depot]

you're right

[short laurel]

yea, youtuber earn way more than this. that's probably why they didn't appeal and just gave that money. i m hoping something comes out of the petition to rise fines on these content creators.

[pseudo heath]

yeah the guy probably made way more than he had to pay out

A fine wouldn't rlly affect him and he might jus go do it again too

[heady gate]

It said 5 million won for 3 members and 7 million won for 2 members. The total is 29 million won. Why is AboutMusicYT said 100 Million won?

[short laurel]

#1231839760759263232 message this is the bigger issue to me.

[short laurel]

cuz they always put false information.

[cinder narwhal]

😭

[heady gate]

Initial request was 20 million per member, but the final total settlement is 29 million won. Am I correct?

[short laurel]

ahh english. 100m won case. not that they won 100m won

[vestal rover]

lets see the money racks up when they sue other malicious youtubers 👀

[steel depot]

this is just the first

[elfin solstice]

is it just me or is new jeans/NJZ kinda dead in Korea . cannot find their merch most places/kpop shops and not many ads either

[upbeat stream]

Lack of ads has a simple explanation: njz can't renew any brand deals so they have been expiring one by one, very few are left now

Merch idk that's up to hybe

[hushed whale]

their merch prob only available at line friends

[midnight yarrow]

just you honestly. They're still extremely relevant for a group that hasn't released new music in a year

[wooden coral]

Yeah didn't the recently become the only group with 3 songs to go double platinum on circle charts ?
That doesn't seem irrelevant

[midnight yarrow]

Yes, they are still top 3 on Circle Digital Index behind only aespa and just ahead of IVE. Despite releasing no new songs.

[wooden coral]

Yeah it's crazy. So happy that they are still loved this much

[midnight yarrow]

Hype Boy actually has been rising up the charts. It's top 50 on MelOn again. A 3 year old song.

[wooden coral]

It's such a good song

[pseudo heath]

I assume hes only talking about merch

[midnight yarrow]

I saw NJZ products in L.A. I'm sure there are still plenty in Seoul of all places

[wooden coral]

We have 1 kpop shop here in Copenhagen and they are still one of the ones that has a big spot in it

[pseudo heath]

True ig

[midnight yarrow]

I mean this is from my own phone in LA lol

[zealous helm]

did ador win that case for njz or did they do it themselves

[loud rock]

yes and no, depends on the videos interactions, views, etc

[short laurel]

we are talking about njz hate videos. army will jump on it so that's not an issue. they have to be decently big to get sued by girls.

[midnight yarrow]

any involvement from ADOR would be MHJ's ADOR not FRAUDOR

[short laurel]

original article said ador was not involved. it was later added that ador last year filed the case. i'd go with 1st one as it's probably directly from source. and hybe has history of menipulating media. but still would be nice if someone find the official court document.

i guess is after mhj left, ador took back the case. and njz had to file for it themselves. and they won that.

[frozen granite]

Just curious, are you guys feeling nervous for the settlement date?

[native anchor]

feeling joyous

[bronze talon]

I want them to have it now lol
Should be a win-win situation either way even if it goes to October 30

[upbeat stream]

Neutral. Not expecting anything to happen

[grizzled summit]

Ditto reigned supremacy 😭😭

[clear hill]

If it makes u feel better the voice of mira said in an interview that newjeans are demon hunters! There’s also references to ‘get up’ in the movie^-^

[hushed whale]

omg's fault ditto could have had 1000+ paks

[native anchor]

when the group so good their own songs compete with eachother

[honest sky]

Are u guys feeling ditto yet

[grizzled summit]

Ooo I saw that interview ty for reminding me ^^

[grizzled summit]

Not until they come back with ditto

[honest sky]

Stay in the fucking middl

[red thorn]

There's some parallel with jyp vs KG case, court ordered mediation, agency 'overhaul' their site regarding the group and now all it's good settled and concluded through mediation
My tinfoil hat theory hybe discussed that in internal doc, do the same to give some kind of anticipation to public or investors it would the same outcome

[cerulean lake]

i was in korea recently and mainly only saw nwjns with olens, ck, and other solo gigs like with omega and chanel.

but yeah there’s probably less ads of them right now in korea due to a lot of their ad contracts ending and them not renewing it. i was lowkey surprised to see that their olens contracts were still ongoing.

[cerulean lake]

sad that ditto is no longer no. 1 but it at least they still have that title when coming from like an actual group.

props to ejae and the other singers/songwriters for golden tho 🙌

[mint elm]

ngl i kinda meant the bottom one when i sent

[cerulean lake]

ohh 🫩😭 but yeah lowkey didn’t expect those big accs to talk abt that. kpopcharts lowkey sus too when it comes to nwjns 😖

literally was just a bunch of tokkis observing and speculating.

[red thorn]

Bet any request renew contract for NewJeans should be rejected by the girls unless the brand/sponsor agree it's mhdhh rather than NewJeans

[pseudo heath]

Truly the greatest group OAT

[vale grove]

I’m also curious as to what Dani’s contract pertains as most of her solo brand deals are the only NJZ thing I’m seeing in the city when I go out! Could just be what’s on the screens at the time but I mostly see Dani’s omega adverts.

Which not to sound crazy but when I was walking in the city and saw her on this GIANT screen I freaked out XD

[upbeat stream]

That's because the Omega deal was only signed in December

So it hasn't run out yet assuming 1 year deals, which I've heard is typical

[short laurel]

remember being at 2nd rank is still good. so what someone beat them. anti's using this to hate on njz but remember anti's fav also got beaten and are even below ditto.

[upbeat stream]

If you know the history of PAKs, most songs hold the record for 2-2.5 years, which is what Ditto did

[vale grove]

I still think this whole thing is so funny like love kpdh it’s a marvel to watch and it’s a beautifully animated film lol but some fans are too much xD I think we will be fine once njz comes back with their full album

[pseudo heath]

their new album will have that one banger that will blow up

[vale grove]

Like they usually do, so while yes it may be disappointing that golden is on top rn I feel like it’ll open more roles for K-pop idols in the animation industry, thus possibly giving njz more opportunities! I also recall a lot of people on staff mentioned how much they love the girls in their interviews so let’s say we are passing the torch to the talented vocalists and composers!

[upbeat stream]

It's a great time to return since the industry is so dead. None of the 5th gen groups except Allday have smashed in korea, and even then it's just one era for them. We'll have to see if they can maintain this success which, for example, illit couldn't

[snow furnace]

[short laurel]

yea. and atleast it's sang by real humans and not "AI" like naevis.

[elfin solstice]

Yes, their music can be heard here and there in public place like restaurant but hardly see merch/ads except Olens and solo gig for like Hanni and Minji

[cinder narwhal]

even back in 2023-2024 newjeans weren't ever one of the big merch sellers in places like myeongdong

[midnight yarrow]

Like I implied, I'd be more concerned if interest was falling in their music and that hasn't happened

[thick glade]

If anything, not having tons of merch is kind of refreshing.

[waxen musk]

I know Tokkis are generally avoiding Phoning updates… but I saw there’s a video scheduled for this week. So… I would completely ignore any conclusions people are coming to after the website update. They’re still “showing support”, technically.

[clear hill]

The industry is so dead BECAUSE newjeans/njz isn’t active

[bronze talon]

Real

[frosty echo]

is the harin thing real?

[pseudo heath]

What haerin thing

[frosty echo]

not haerin

Harin, 하린

[pseudo heath]

Who's harin

[frosty echo]

former ADOR trainee now japanese actress

that allegedly got cut from debut lineup in NJZ alongside Youngseo

bcs MHJ went to see a shaman

[bronze talon]

Not sure how accurate it is but make your own opinion https://x.com/juantokki/status/1954835519600480476?t=3HlayOnjvUhX3naGQGVLvw&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki)

You can tell they’re out of ammo when they start recycling the whole “shaman” narrative again.

Seriously, who still buys into this clown’s nonsense? And FMKorea as your source? Please… 😒

X · Aug 11, 2025, 9:21 AM

[frosty echo]

I am just asking if it is real

[pseudo heath]

I thought that was spacecow for a second

[pseudo heath]

surely not 😭

[pseudo heath]

Youngseo as in the all day project

[frosty echo]

yes

[bronze talon]

Idk
Don't think so?
But I'm not the right guy to ask this. This all is getting so much I just don't read into most these days

[pseudo heath]

yeah i only play attention to what ever happens with njz

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1955064140302598390

[harsh dove]

@yo_lobster <t:1754958589:d>

Former ADOR VP Shin Dong-hoon filed the criminal lawsuit on March 27, 2024, to request the identity reveal of “Cyberwrecker,” when the agency was still under CEO Min Hee-jin.

[cinder narwhal]

is it possible even with all this noise the authorities find nothing or at most just give bang a slap on the wrist

[heady gate]

time will tell. We can wait.

[clear hill]

Most likely. Let’s be fr. He has daddy’s money, lots of connections and Hybe is the biggest kpop company atm. He will probably get fined but I highly doubt that he will be rightfully punished.

[short laurel]

Yup. N in few months army will say "c he is not found guilty" i noticed this in the past when hybe was found in the wrong n was fined, army later on scream that hybe was found innocent.

[storm warren]

It is not as it does not match the timeline. She claims she signed contract to debut but then got terminated. If she is talking about exclusive artists contract, thats impossible. MHJ only picked 5 girls and transferred them to ador when it was officially launched. NJZ signed exclusive artists contract in April 2022.

Going back before transfer to ADOR, based on what Dispatch leaked, there were 10 trainees between 2020 and early 2021, which got reduced to 7 after Hyein joined in early 2021

[short laurel]

So she was trainee under somu?

[storm warren]

Yea

[short laurel]

So blame somu. Not mhj. Stupid haters.

[storm warren]

it is technically impossible for her to be near debut line up at all

There is no "original line up of NewJeans", everyone was trainee and was working to debut. Everyone was going thru evaluations

what she probably signed is trainee contract which got terminated at certain stage

When final line up is finalized, trainee contracts get terminated

They are given option to stay for future projects or leave

It's hilarious to be outraged over some trainee getting dropped along the road. So was Youngseo, Yubin, Miu, etc. so were Trainee A guys and so are a lot of other idols

not everyone who is trainee debuts and ends up in final line up. this is common sense

As for this girl, there are pics with girls faces are not blurred and I don't really recognize her. She def was not in 7 member line up, where alongside 5 NJZ members, other two were Hanbi and Miu

MHJ herself said she picked 5 girls and took them to ADOR. there was no one else. signing any exclusive contract prior that would have been technically impossible

[red thorn]

Harin now is under Arc Ent, the founder is a creative director idk if there's connection between her and mhj since she's ex hybe and sm too but reading her interview she seems has much respect to MHJ

[storm warren]

I saw FM Korea incels circled her in pic which is taken in Source Music practice room. they circled same person that Yubin's fans circled as Yubin

so they don't even know themselves if it is her as she is in background and half of her face is covered

Im just wondering what is the purpose of this? Yes, there were 10 or more trainees at some point and yes, they got cut. Realistically they got cut because insufficient skills, overlapping visuals/image, not fitting into final concept or vision, etc.

Incels clinging on her story because what? If she were in NJZ now, she would be adored? Give me a break lmfao.

[short laurel]

These same ppl hated garam.

[heady gate]

You have to ask harin to get the real answer. Anyone who didn't debut would be terminated. I wish her success in acting.

[cinder narwhal]

i think no one's confused whether she was cut or not

the question is "shaman says she was possessed" thing true or not

[heady gate]

true😅

[red thorn]

People who follow this case for the tea and drama be like "it tracks, must be true"

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1955078412797878382

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

#JAILBANGPD news: bang pd flew in from the US back to korea monday afternoon and a police official stated that bang's return "was coordinated with the police" it also seems that the police has requested for bang pd to turnover his mobile phone.

X · Aug 12, 2025, 1:26 AM

he’s probably never stepping on US ground again

[empty halo]

and we cheer

[storm warren]

who told her that tho? kkt chats didnt mention names or implied that it was about her

its not like mhj would tell her in face that shaman didnt vibe w her. its funny that everyone looks at edited and distorted kkt chats and assumes its about them

[mild mist]

John reddit said it so it must be true

[mint elm]

is hybe giving up new jeans

how much do the girls have to pay to hybe i hearddd they dont have that much money

[clear hill]

I’m honestly so confused w the whole shaman thing

Where did ppl even get that from? 😭

[mint elm]

is this true

surely the girls dont have that much mondy

[storm warren]

reddit invented it

she didn't mention it at all apparently

obviously "i almost debuted with newjeans" is new way to get some sort of attention. not that i have anything against it but they are implying like she was unjustly cut off or something

when trainees get cut off always. thats part of debut process and they sign trainee contract knowing that

[empty halo]

the trainee system and the way they just cut out girls who've worked extremely hard IS unjust, but thats not min heejin's fault, its soumu's fault. if im not wrong she took the 5 members she needed and left and didnt play any games w trainees under ador.

[storm warren]

its kpop system. its not even source music fault

[cinder narwhal]

i think it was mentioned in her first presscon (cmiiw) but the bulk of the whole shaman thing was released from her leaked kkt

[storm warren]

they train 10-20 kids to debut in one group. of course not everyone's gonna make it

[empty halo]

well its a shit system? I think we all agree about that. Some trainees get cut out bc they don't match the "vibes", well why did they pick up trainees that didnt match the image they wanted for their group

[storm warren]

i think thats the most optimal system in place. they cant debut everyone, can they?

[empty halo]

does anyone have a translation of Harin's interview? does she even say that she got cut out bc of a shaman or is that a conspiracy theory

[storm warren]

they pick up trainees because they do not know their potential until everything is in place

[empty halo]

im not saying they should train 15 people and make them all debut, im saying they should just train the 5 they need.

[storm warren]

thats now how it works

you cant expect that 5 ppl you train will deliver the result you want

[empty halo]

and then put these teenagers under immense pressure, make them drop out of school, give them EDs and then worst off all put them in debt. the system you're talking about is great for companies not for trainees and if these trainees are unhappy about their experience and wanna complain that's fair

[storm warren]

thats another issue

[empty halo]

and after going through all that they don't even debut 💀

being a trainee requires full commitment but the company doesnt give u their commitment. horrible system

[empty halo]

but did Harin even say this or are people making it up

[cinder narwhal]

idk

[empty halo]

so it might be totally made up by redditors 😭

bro ts pmo

[red thorn]

She stated just "unspecific reason"
And ofc people track it to shaman kkt stuff

[clear hill]

Right bc why are they acting like there was some ill intent like that’s literally??the point of a trainee period???😭 why are they demonizing her for that lol

[empty halo]

if she said min heejin kicked me out bc of a shaman atleast theres some credibility to these claims but she didn't so basically it's all made up

[clear hill]

Also I meant confused w the whole shaman thing, I heard somewhere that mhj heard from a shaman to do xyz w other Hybe idols and I’m so confused where did that come from?

[empty halo]

those arent confirmed to be real tho right?

[clear hill]

Where can I see them? What is the context tho essentially

[empty halo]

ohh i see

[clear hill]

What is it about tho? What is the original context?

[heady gate]

It said it is an estimated value. All sellers want to estimate a higher price. Every buyer want to pay lower price. We will find out the real answer on Aug 14 or Oct 30.

[clear hill]

Give the shamans? I’m so confused 😭

[empty halo]

day after tmrw

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[mild mist]

I'll give them £5 for it

[heady gate]

Shaman is part of the Asian culture since from the ancient time. There is nothing wrong working with a shaman.

[red thorn]

Also Harin said the CEO promised the debut and signed the exclusive contract, so I assume it was soumu ceo

[feral tapir]

she said don't assume not just assume

[heady gate]

We will never know the true story why Harin didn't get debut.

[short laurel]

so his letter was just PR move

[short laurel]

we know for sure that mhj was promised to debut her group 1st and hybe was the one to break it. so all blame goes to somu and hybe.

maybe somu promised this to all the trainees. and obviously they broke it.

[heady gate]

trainee are not workers

Demon HunterX singer Ejae trained at SM for 10 years, never debuted. Now, her song "Golden" is #1 in Hot100. There is no guarantee of a debut.

[short laurel]

so many sm trainees are in different groups under different companies who are doing good. even in hybe.

ofc. but the issue is they might've made a promise. that's giving false hope.

yes and hybe is reputated company who is expected to not do this. and well it seems like they did. they for sure did it with mhj. that's why they need to go down.

[red thorn]

Yea the 'promised' thing always the issue, even during recruiting g stage to convince the parents to sign the trainee contract with the company, promised to debut in x years

[short laurel]

yea.

[cinder narwhal]

just two more days and we can finally talk newjeans related again

[short laurel]

i remember wendy from rv always saying her debut was luck. they were not promised debut and had really hard competition to get selected for debut. SM is shit but atleast they are slightly better than hybe in not giving false hope to trainees.

[cinder narwhal]

https://fixupx.com/thegreatgaram/status/1955079996609069387

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram)

Without MHJ's interference and her fighting to establish ADOR, N-Team would've disappeared altogether. Noone went to LE SSERAFIM. There would be no NewJeans yet incels wanna pick bones over MHJ not rescuing *all* 10-11 trainees and vilify her.

Quoting XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram)
︀
So this former N-Team trainee corroborates MHJ/NJ's story that Source Music CEO So Sung-jin was going to cancel N-Team's debut, something that both HYBE/SouMu keeps denying, but you're trying to drag MHJ because a 6+ group wasn't her vision? The way you twist the truth is cursed.

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FixupX · Aug 12, 2025, 1:32 AM

[short laurel]

the way they targetting mhj. maybe they should also hate hybe for not debut all of the contestent of their survival shows.

[cinder narwhal]

good point lol

that one is a hybecel concoction

they connected two unrelated/unconfirmed things

[elfin solstice]

i guess they been here before?

[mild mist]

A promise is worth nothing from a corporation, get it signed in blood

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1955134467531743349?t=7cTSTKm9AFRC87wr4QfOYw&s=33 -c

Shamanz MHDHH (@shamanjz)

If anyone wants to have an idea what bsh can be subjected to - it's been 3 hours hearing and it's not yet even over. She's cross-examined by a lot of prosecutors, for similar stock manipulation allegations among others.

https://t.co/fHcFGxUvO6

X · Aug 12, 2025, 5:09 AM

[clear hill]

It’s what happened to newjeans technically. Bsh didn’t even want to debut newjeans and didn’t think their concept would do well. Source music abandoned them—their plans of becoming hybes first gg almost got cancelled.If mhj never pushed bsh hard enough they would’ve never debuted.

[copper jetty]

Ngl, I think they're investigating hybe because of the connection to the previous government... if they somehow unearth that in the investigation... that would be tea.

[clear hill]

The domino effect is so crazy w newjeans. Just imagine if they never debuted. To think such an impactful kpop group (group, NOT girl group, that’s how impactful they are) could’ve been scrapped due to lousy management and bsh.

[copper jetty]

What's the context of this one??

[short laurel]

i hope they find something. that'' show that previous government was actively going against 5 young girls with minors

[red thorn]

https://youtu.be/ckx8qfzLE_E?t=29m14s timestamped, the statements
The strawman #1231839760759263232 message

[copper jetty]

Yeah idk. I don't believe that. I didn't see her on the leaked videos before. Or I don't see anyone who resembles her there. So if she was a trainee that would be under SouMu... where they haven't cut anyone yet.

https://x.com/missingmedics/status/1955043786335326214?t=6eyg0wBuebCGEB97XJmuXw&s=33

. (@missingmedics)

"I almost debuted in newjeans" really is the new "I almost debuted in snsd"

X · Aug 11, 2025, 11:08 PM

Is this the reason why I'm seeing this on my timeline??

[hushed whale]

yes lol

[short laurel]

yup

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/newbaram/status/1955174327487443021?t=f4zSZ9S-xAXo4jyHf5TzGA&s=33

이러려고 만든 트위터가 아닌데... (@newbaram)

탐라에 잠깐 돌던 일본인 멤버 문제에 대해 나는 다음처럼 알고 있었는데, 뭐 다른 사연이 있나?
1. 혜인이 합류한 뒤 다섯명 모두 이 멤버로 데뷔하길 소망함
2. 그 의장님께서 일본인 멤버가 있어야 한며 다니엘 빼고 일본인 멤버를 넣자고 함
3. 대퓨님이 다 씹고 ...

X · Aug 12, 2025, 7:47 AM

[short laurel]

many ex sm trainees debuting in new non sm groups or other celebrity careers says they were sm trainees. it's same

[red thorn]

Probably she was one the 10-11 trainess
And tbf she never said almost debuted in nj

[short laurel]

i almost debuted in newjeans but mhj's shaman cursed me to born in another country and as a boy.

[hushed whale]

her bio only mention soumu, pretty sure only the 5 got transferred to ador
also didnt soumu try to take credit for picking the lineup of 5 njz members? if hybe stans believe hybe why blame mhj now lol

[short laurel]

cuz they are always inconsistent.

[red thorn]

Kpop news portal already circulated it as 'ex ador trainee'

[short laurel]

ofc they are hybe puppet after all

[short laurel]

ok i saw a comment syaing it's very organised. clear media play

[mint elm]

curious

genuinely curious, is this an angle

i swear it could work, they declare bankrupsy and form their own group under min hee jin

[mild mist]

I'm guessing that bankruptcy would kinda disqualify them from working in the field again

It's not like Europe where a firm can go bankrupt and then have their assets bought by a similarly named company with the same directors that was just formed

[mint elm]

in the field with hybe? yes

but what if they r under min hee jin who made new company? she forms her own group or smth, the bankrupsy is like no ones business

[upbeat stream]

This is something that a korean legal or finance expert can tell, not AI

[mint elm]

obviously, but I dont have access to one

[upbeat stream]

Because bankruptcy works differently in different countries. It also depends on if their actions will be seen as intentional tort or not

[mint elm]

afaik bankruptcy in NA makes u bad credit and makes banks not give u loans or credit

does not prevent u from having an employer (altho sometimes they do see u as irresponsible and therefore dont hire u if u r stranger) but i doubt min hee jin would view them that way

i genuinely want someone to entertain this on the surface at least this seems ez

[upbeat stream]

If ablume got investors, njz won't have trouble finding a label and tons of investment. Like no issues there

fifty fifty had one random viral hit, and no established fanbase

[mint elm]

i mean none of the fans care about the members financial situation or credit, frankly neither does mhj

care not as in indifferent to but as in moral and financial support

im sure we all love them and want the best for them and would pref them being wealthy and all

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, even investors won't care since any one can see this was a uniquely odd case

[mint elm]

theres even a case for banks themselves not caring tm cuz they make so much money

idk abt the US but canadian banks wouldnt rly care about a bankrupsy if u r multi millionaire

in what is probably a higher PPP country so same amount of money buys more (s. korea)

[upbeat stream]

I mean Trump declared bankruptcy like 7 times in his life lol

[mint elm]

i mean bankruptcy can be smart so

[mint elm]

just purely from a business perspective i dont understand how his casino failed, arent casinos not supposed to

surely something shady going on like someone was given winning combo or smth idfk, but idrc abt him im not into politics

[upbeat stream]

I just checked and contract breaches are not seen as intentional tort in the US, meaning the person can declare bankruptcy and avoid damages. Idk how this works in Korea though

[mint elm]

I genuinely need someone to check over this

njz has good legal experts surely they would know about this option

if its a valid option then i think they genuinely wanted to co operate w hybe w mhj in it, makes sense cuz remember they will never ever perform any of their old songs again

Thats still hybes’ until copyright but the girls will be like mid 30s to 40s by then lol

Nowhere near enough energy for this group but idk, maybe we’ll grow old w new jeans

[upbeat stream]

Also, I wonder if the parents agreed to pay damages if the group is sued, like is it in the contract? Because the contract validity lawsuit ador filed is only against the 5 njz members, and only the minors' legal guardians are mentioned

The girls would barely have any assets of their own

[mint elm]

I mean worst case they can remake that money easily, cant imagine the parents loss being more than what theyll make, they aint Sang Woo lol

[mint elm]

tbf thats not entirely true

hybe pays them a decent amount, i believe 1 or 2 mill in a few months? ik it was brought up in court

not much next to how much they make but uea

also im feeling like they dont think of njz as their group anymore they got removed from their website so they r going for contract termination money

[upbeat stream]

Of course they are paid really well, but are the assets in their name or their parents'?

[mint elm]

Probably theirs

otherwise theyd sue parents since the girls can j declare bankrupsy and arent worth anything, hybe surely has good enough lawyers to know that

[short laurel]

look. if njz losses. worse that could happen is they agree to give a cut of their earning to ador until they fully pay off debt while staying independent. and this is if they lose.

[mint elm]

u got any idea how much they have to pay back? $500 mill in some estimates

thats NOT happening, bankrupsy is j better tbh

[red thorn]

God, who knows what hybe gonna do if that's the case, they're full on hybe's mercy and probably they could enforce anything on them as compensation, doesn't have to be financial assets

[short laurel]

those estimates made by people who lick companies arse. it's up to court to decide how much it's going ot be. and they'll not make it something that's impossible for girls to pay.

[short laurel]

nope. court will decide.

[feral tapir]

i think it's crazy how they have to pay for hybe's problems

[short laurel]

it's not decided yet who will pay who.

[feral tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/ascending-heaven-keanu-reeves-constantine-ascending-to-heaven-gif-11437079898090715826

[upbeat stream]

Parents will be sued for helping them breach contract, but unless the contract specifically states that parents are liable for any civil damages, the primary defendants will be the members (except Hyein whose mother will have to pay). The suposedly huge penalty only incurs on the members

[red thorn]

No I mean in the case if they declare the bankruptcy, meaning they declare they won't be able to pay, and let's say hybe willing to negotiate, they got the full upper hand on nego

[short laurel]

yea.

[storm warren]

they can agree on revenue sharing, thats what sm did w tao and luhan

they shared revenue w sm until their original contract expiration

[mild mist]

Who knows

I'm expecting the news story to be "mediation meeting concluded within ten minutes with the sides unable to come to an agreement"

[storm warren]

same lol

i mean hybedor side does not look at the situation from reasonable and rational perspective, hence, njz side will not give in. it also depends on how both sides view court's stance towards them. is the situation favorable or not because during mediation you are in control but court has its risks unless you're confident

i assume both prefer to take risks

for njz, its also matter of reputation. they want injunction overturned. they dont want just settlement. ador on the other hand wants to display crushing power and extort as much money as possible

thats how i view them, will be surprised if they actually sit down and settle lol

[red thorn]

Fortunately so far we view it that no conflict interest on girls' side, I trust to continue that way

[cinder narwhal]

nah they'll settle then redebut/comeback next month

[bronze talon]

Low-key this sounds like a really good plan if the conditions are first not terrible and second if that makes the girls happy in terms of being away from the current label and so they are able to focus on themselves and work with the team they want

Tho like I said depending on the shared revenue terms it might be bad if they'd need more for comeback and music investments

I'll just stick to my initial thought and say they'll win this case in October after they didnt settle and somehow win a good amount of fees in damage (or however it's called)

[marsh roost]

I smell a settlement that makes everyone happy, these things are always settled, too costly and risky to go all the way to trial even if you think you have the advantage

[bronze talon]

But doesn't it depend on what both parties want for themselves and what they could give up. Both parties contradict each others wishes and needs so idk how likely it'll be tbh

[copper jetty]

Yeah it'll depend what hybe want for negotiation and what njz is up to give. Or vise versa. Atp, I don't think mediation is gonna help. This case has gone for a year with hybe media blasting everything good on their side and the girls get the silent treatment and just wrecked. Idk if the girls want to take this lying down... remember what they said it's not about the money but exposing what hybe did.

Atp, I don't think there's a settlement where everyone's gonna be happy.

[marsh roost]

to be more precise, everyone will say they are happy with the settlement, even though in reality everyone will give up something

the point of building a strong case prior to the settlement is not to win in trial, but to get more concessions in the settlement

[cinder narwhal]

yes I'm with you

[copper jetty]

Which is probably why Fraudor is mediaplaying how they helped with the YouTuber who got fined when it was OG Ador and not them...

Like here judge, we helped with this case... Ador still took care of them up until we booted mhj and her peeps. Please have our fines be lowered please

[cinder narwhal]

wdym fines

i hadn't considered ador to pay fines

[copper jetty]

If in case they found that the contract was legally terminated by the girls. That would mean that Ador did breach the contract first???

Right??? Wouldn't they then need to pay a fine to the girls... am I misinterpreting it??

[cinder narwhal]

i thought the penalty is they lose the girls

[copper jetty]

If the girls breached the contract, they either pay fines or go back...
If ador breached the contract they only lose the girls and that's it? There should be a fine too for the breach... wth?

[cinder narwhal]

were you expecting ador to pay fines too when the girls announced the contract was terminated last nov

[bronze talon]

Just See this realistically
The girls said no coming back to ador
Fake ador doing everything they can to try to show they care with some little videos or whatever which has no value and simultaneously so many things are happening behind the scenes that are against what the girls want

[copper jetty]

No... I was expecting njz to just walk away, but that's because they didn't file for a case... but now that there is, there should be.

[bronze talon]

How's a settlement after what happened even a reality
The girls want to get OUT

[copper jetty]

Well this case is only for the validity. If Ador is actually found to be in breach the girls CAN sue but I think that's another different case. For damages.

[bronze talon]

Getting 100% of the staff they worked with back is not realistic and we don't even know if mhj wants to go back either

[short laurel]

sad reality. that's why everyone says these contracts are not equal.

[copper jetty]

Idk if I would want the team and MHJ to go back. I've been saying this before, even if they (mhj, team and njs) go back to Ador there's no guarantee that what hybe did last April 2024 won't happen again. They can just change the board again and interfere and the court wouldn't do anything even when the first injunction told Hybe not to.

[cinder narwhal]

are you saying their lawyers were lying when they said they'd come back if old ador was restored

[bronze talon]

First of all this
Second, we already know their expenses haven't been great since the start
Just look at hurt, it could have gotten a little more investment than this even if it worked out, you know what I mean
How do we even know if that's gonna change at all
It's not like if mhj goes back they'll have more money to invest then or mhj all of a sudden owning all of hybe, thats not how it works

[short laurel]

point is chances of old ador to come back are near 0. especially mhj and director shin.

[bronze talon]

It's all on the if. But there will always be this climate when they come back which probably won't be changed ever
I know the option is there but realistically it also depends on what the team wants no?

[cinder narwhal]

if even their side is entertaining the thought you should too https://x.com/njzbase/status/1948309321135399033

NJZ Base (@njzbase)

NewJeans' side: "The members are not saying they will unconditionally not go to ADOR. What they mean is, they want to return to the ADOR that used to respect them"

X · Jul 24, 2025, 9:08 AM

[bronze talon]

I think the girls will most likely think for themselves in decision making but will consider what the others will do and want as well

[copper jetty]

I think a lawyer always thinks for their client. Even if the client doesn't want to, if theres a chance to go back they will keep it open cause it's a lawyers job to give out to the client the best possible outcomes so they have to keep the chances of that open too.

[short laurel]

again. chances of many of old staff returning is low. especially MHJ and director Shin. so giving them old ador back is near 0.

[bronze talon]

Idk how true it is and I will believe the girls on what they said but if they get some sort of anxiety if near the building it should be a clear sign

Nobody wants to go back to a place where they experienced something bad just to constantly be reminded of it everytime they go there

I mean almost half of their time now it's been this constant drama. It's not like it's some weeks or only 1 or 2 days it's been happening

[short laurel]

they even said goign near the building gives them major anxiety.

[bronze talon]

That's what I meant before

[cinder narwhal]

both are true, i just choose to believe both

[raven kelp]

didn't the girls say something along the lines of 'if it was the old ador we would return even if they ask them not to' or smthn?
idk i always considered that statement as a hypothetical situation

but people kind of just ran with the return to ador part only

[native anchor]

i mean they always said that

its nothing new

back when they did that livestream

or the press conference

or the letter to ador with their requirements

they always said they would be willing to continue if ador was reinstated as it was before everything changed back in 2024

thats why this mediation is so important too

ador had almost a year of time

to get the things right

[tawdry vessel]

theres no coming back, hybedor simply cant be trusted

[native anchor]

not to sound rude

but u cant know that

[bronze talon]

Ofc we can't this is all speculation but it should just favour the way of no settlement since it took them so long just to do nothing about it and apparently from what we read their mental got worse so their decision might heavily be impacted by this

Only way they settle if ador just gives up in a way and let the girls choose on what they want and need with little to nothing in Adors favour. Idk how that would look like or on what conditions ador would let them down to but it just doesn't seem like this will go this way, time will tell and prove me wrong or right

(probably wrong as always)

[copper jetty]

Somehow Ador always proves us wrong when it comes to these things. We think they'll go this way and they go the other 360 way that doesn't make sense. So I get you.

[bronze talon]

That's what I mean
Doing something they wouldn't do when they have to decide in the last moment

[raven kelp]

ador could suggest a revenue split for a duration or go "newjeans still under ador come back" and take things to october

i have very little expectations on what could happen on 14th

[bronze talon]

I thought that a revenue split could work. But like I said idk how much they need for comebacks and music production investment as well as for the team they have

Promoting one self is good and having the money for it but with this it might not work up to their expectations or what they might have planned

[copper jetty]

Wait i read something about some of the exo members and their settlement with SM... we maybe can see something like that too in this case... is that the revenue split?

[bronze talon]

I also don't know how revenue splits normally look like but I expect something like a 70/30 split for example

[raven kelp]

damn 70 for who

[bronze talon]

Good question

[copper jetty]

With them having access to their IP too is my guess

[bronze talon]

That should be the bare minimum

[raven kelp]

we've gone too far with the imagination

[short laurel]

if girls won't have ownership to their new ip in revenue split. it's no different to being under ador.

[raven kelp]

let's see what's going to happen on 14th

[bronze talon]

Idk I don't think so
Revenue split is a possibility
But like I said I stay with the no settlement option

[raven kelp]

expect the worst and hope for the best

[bronze talon]

Basically

[short laurel]

if revenue split. girls have to have complete control over their IP and work.

[cinder narwhal]

doesnt it mean "you do your thing just pay us a %" why are you making it complex

[short laurel]

it was for beer. not u

[marsh roost]

settlement will 100% happen, what's uncertain is what it will look like in the end. None of them want to go to final trial, even if they "win" they lose more, hybe winning gets them tons of bad press when they need it the least for little to no actual gain, njz winning gets them a symbolic win but hybe in spite of current problems will remain a huge company with tremendous pull in the industry to severely stunt any chance at recovering their careers

which means no side will push the other too hard to basically make them feel that they may well take a gamble in trial, so the settlement will happen with hopefully everyone getting enough and also giving each other a chance to save face with their corresponding audiences

[hushed whale]

2 days

[mild mist]

What kind of solution makes kpop reddit suffer the most?

[short laurel]

girls winning and bsh getting jailed.

also SM artists beating hybe artists groups in mushows.

[cinder narwhal]

dragging this until october with complete termination

[red thorn]

Mhj manages bighit
Suffer the witchcraft

[short laurel]

MHJ ceo of hybe

or bts decids to end their contract with hybe.

[tawdry vessel]

njz win, bang pd gets sent to prison for more than 10 years and hybe's complete collapse

[cerulean lake]

no but seriously. those people have been saying the most vile stuff abt nwjns and their families. i need smth that can shut down their pathetic egos 😭

[pseudo heath]

yeah a lot of them have this hate for njz, even if they're the nicest people in the world im sure they'll find a way to hate

[chilly fable]

Looking at a recently exposed email from TAG PR, it's possible a good portion of negative comments are fabricated through the services they provide.

https://x.com/Splias/status/1955292674644193306

[short laurel]

it's pretty obvious. ktokkies said this alot on social media. and not long ago hybe sued them and prosecutors just said it's true though and drop the charges.

[short laurel]

that being said. don't trust lia ever. she maybe somewhat right here most majority of time she spread lies. basically she's tokki's ver of sniper.

[chilly fable]

Ah yeah I am aware of her toxicity. I actually didn't realize it was her post that I linked as I saw several starting to share this info.

[mint elm]

genuinely curious

why does hybe not bring MHJ back, surely bringing her back isnt worth more than a years worth of revenue to the largest GG in korea? especially not to an amoral company

[native anchor]

Pride.

[clear hill]

I always see ppl talking about Lia here, I’m not on twt but what have they said that gives them that reputation ?? Lol don’t mind me being nosey and curious

[mint elm]

not in a company theyd do all kinds of things for money zzz

[short laurel]

posting distorted information for twitter drama and spreading hate against other groups. something njz themselves are against.

[clear hill]

Like what?

[short laurel]

anti's see her as all bunnies being toxic to illit, even though bunnies says she's not bunnie.

[short laurel]

like blaming illit for gillit's behaviour.

[storm warren]

inflated ego of incels who will never acknowledge mistake and bow to woman

[short laurel]

sometimes information is slightly distorted like when bang came under investigation, she posted bang got sued. when case hasn't reached that point.

[clear hill]

Ugh toxic fans like her make it so hard for fandoms to coexist. They’re acting like illit personally told glitts to hate njz.

[short laurel]

actually she's more like tmikpop than sniper tbh. she didn't go that extreme.

[pseudo heath]

whos sniper

[clear hill]

Imo supporters who make false biased claims as a guise of hyping up njz morale while acting like they’re only dedicated to spread information are just as bad as people who spread misinformation to hate on them. It literally does nothing productive for the situation

[short laurel]

yup

[clear hill]

Wow I really don’t know much about kpop twitter news pages 😭idk who that is but I’m assuming they also spread disinformation

[short laurel]

they are or was bts's news translator who used to always slightly distort translation in favour of hybe and bts. reddit used to call him reliable source and sadly many kpop stans of other groups too. that is until hybe kakao sm drama happened and they got exposed.

[clear hill]

In a space where there’s constant misinformation and disinformation spreading it’s really harmful to the girls as fans and supporters to continue to spread false information. The average newjeans music enjoyer or anyone in the kpop space probably has a distorted understanding of the situation and with Hybe pr literally putting a smear campaign and pushing out misinformation to hide the truth against them it’s really harmful for us bunnies to perpetuate the same thing. We gotta do better.

[cerulean lake]

they’re not gonna bring back a lady they have been desperately plotting to get rid of. they probably knew there was gonna be some financial loss but their egos were too high to let her stay even if that meant losing money.

tho i do doubt they expected her and njz to fight back that much tbh

[mint elm]

as an incel (not a violent one dw) we r more intelligent and reasonable than to do that

well i meant as someone whos never dated anyway

[short laurel]

misinformation is easy to identify after some research. tmikpop was actually more scary than sniper. their translation was so slightly distorted that most won't suspect much. they existed for years.

[mild mist]

kpop reddit continues to do immesurable levels of harm

[short laurel]

tmikpop were considered reliable source by many, even non hybe groups

[mint elm]

i mean unironically u r right tho theres some mysogony in it

but im not sure if their mysogony ourweighs the money or smth

[waxen musk]

I’m glad I took a couple of days off because the yapping in here has gotten to be a lot! I hate that all this anxiety for the mediation might not even have a pay off.

[short laurel]

it's korea. women in power is a big no to them.

[mint elm]

People always say this but between the 3 east asian countries arent koreans the most gender equal?

[short laurel]

nope. not at all.

[mint elm]

Still not gender equal but like surely more than Japan or China

[clear hill]

Sources like tmikpop just makes trying to debunking research much harder for people plus I don’t think most ppl in the kpop community will even do their due diligence of researching the credibility of a claim in an article. They just run w/ it. And it’s very common too. I don’t have twt but on tt theres “kpop news” that will more often than not simply spread sensationalized media that just garnered attention despite actually being factual. The distortion of information and the general public’s blissful ignorance to such things can be so harmful

[short laurel]

well not enough from what we can c. (meant for geurochi)

[short laurel]

yea. sad reality of our world. but anyways this is offtopic.

[upbeat stream]

Idk about gender equality, but even declaring yourself a feminist gets you cancelled in Korea, not the case in Japan and China

[mint elm]

Idk how much declared feminism effects gender equality tho, Koreans have far more femenists than like Japan there was a vid going around Japanese people dont even know what femenism is

[short laurel]

the gender equality ranking doesn't show the whole picture. even india is better than korea in terms of gender equality in political position and pay gap to a certain extent. but ranking wise is very low.

[clear hill]

Not even.Also China is much more progressive than japan and Korea. I think being a part of a monolithic society and rigid social culture influences progression in these countries but Korea and japan being more gender equal than China is a joke 😭 The attitude is for the most part, don’t care about your gender identity or sexual orientation.

[mint elm]

I know reddits not like a study but they do mention studies

[short laurel]

depends on region. in major cities yes. in other cities no. in china.

but majority of population are now in major cities in china.

[mint elm]

https://www.reddit.com/r/korea/comments/1hyue5c/is_south_korea_one_of_the_most_or_least/

like stats generally go my way tho

[upbeat stream]

Feminism is widely accepted in China though. Of course there are right wingers who dislike it, but the average person isn't anti-feminist like in korea. Even movies with feminist themes have occasionally done well in China. Koreans burned Irene's photocards just because she read a feminist book

[clear hill]

I think that can be said about most countries tbh. Smaller cities/towns are less open to socioeconomic change

[upbeat stream]

Also, a different thing but China has openly lgbt celebs, korea doesn't

[short laurel]

comparatively even non major cities in china are big compared to korea and japan. cuz huge population. really depends on how u c it.

[mint elm]

Imo femenism doesnt innately equal womens equality, yes theres a very close relationship but I think the reason femenism is a charged stance in korea is because of its politicization, in China and Japan where one party rules forever its more just a lifestyle

[upbeat stream]

Still, the level of online vitriol that korean women face is definitely more so than Chinese women. That much I can say for certain

[mint elm]

also in the west u commonly have non femenist identifying relationships who have high gender equality because it has more to do with the perception of what femenism is than what women are relative to men

[short laurel]

btw we are again off topic

[mint elm]

Tbh idk much about China but id still assume Koreans they r less misogynistic than Japan, that I think is pre well known

[clear hill]

Ik were getting quite a bit off topic w this but we can’t base women’s rights and progression simply based on the general public’s perception on women. Feminism isn’t about declaring that you think women deserve rights or whether you think a woman is capable of making decisions for herself,it’s about actual real progression that puts women more on the same playing field as men.

[clear hill]

Oh yea that’s true.But in a general sense yk

[mint elm]

I agree. If I could measure any of those I would use said measurements instead, maybe if I lived in east asia id have anecdotes to test these, but im an Iranian Canadian and the best I can do is look at these indexes. They are an imperfect estimate of what im trying to measure

and how much women play on the same fields is impossible to measure, so while I agree its more useful, nothing I can do to attain it

[pseudo heath]

2 more days

[short laurel]

degree in every field is different. it's hard to estimate and judge with just 1 ranking.

[mint elm]

I agree, but I cant measure that so not tm I can do

[upbeat stream]

Chad and Yemen rank worse than Afghanistan on the index. That tells you all you need to know: It heavily correlates with overall development

[mint elm]

It kinda makes sense tbh, Yemen is an arab country and they are more conservative than Turks or Persians (Afghanistan)

[upbeat stream]

Bruh...

[clear hill]

While impossible I meant to say “puts women in a more even playing field as men” but it’s really about policies implemented. China’s progression is far more rapid than japan and Korea. The only reason why this sentiment isn’t the general understanding is due to sinophobia and western propaganda but I digress since were getting out of topic

[mint elm]

Doesnt help when saudi arabia makes sure yemen doesnt develop past the baseline “might makes right” which women kinda lose societally

[upbeat stream]

Afghanistan, by a huge huge margin, the most regressive country for women on Earth. Nothing comes even close

[mint elm]

thats kinda y women r more successful in developed societies with certain universal safety nets

[short laurel]

thx to usa

[mint elm]

Tbh ive realized recently that the western depiction of China is kinda false, so I think I concede the point here: China is probably more gender equal than Korea

[pseudo heath]

lock in this is turning into a world politics thread instead of a newjeans one, finish the convo tho its intresting

[short laurel]

yea but the recent rise of chinese propaganda is also kinda false. truth is in the middle ground.

[mint elm]

Yea but the avg person in this discord is more influenced by western propeganda

[short laurel]

hmm. i mostly know people from asia here.

[mint elm]

meant to say korea mb

[upbeat stream]

Both countries do propaganda but very differently. China is like, look how good we are. US says, look how awful they are

[pseudo heath]

theres a lot of south east asians and people from the americas

[mint elm]

Notice how the US needs some other to justify their miserable existence, while euros lifestyle justifies itself 🤣

But still I will say the oppression or the depiction of like “soulless” chinese people is a bit sinophobic. Like yes the people arent free but they are developed as sht and still people

as an iranian myself right, some americans seem to think life is souless without rights or smth? Obviously id prefer having them and societies without universal rights are oppressive, but the people DO continue existing and living lives in unfree societies

[short laurel]

biggest example: NK. people are living there.

[mint elm]

theres even some ways their system works better, theres a bit less like “company rule” or inheritence bs because ur performance in society is largely determined by a test everyone takes

[short laurel]

NK prapaganda on social media are kinda funny

[mint elm]

In korea usually if u r a Samsung Lee u kinda made it

[short laurel]

that's everywhere. even in china.

china is still very very corrupt.

[mint elm]

not asm when everyone takes the same test no? even Xi Jinpings daughter

[short laurel]

not really. i don't even know what u are talking about.

[mint elm]

altho I will say, Samsung Lee eldest daughter grew up completely humble and made it to MIT so maybe theres something to that

[upbeat stream]

Well at least they are able to use public funds to build infra. US can't even manage to do that

[mint elm]

its also not just pure company rule like it is in the US

(ive been wanting to use Samsung more ever since I heard of her lowk kinda interesting)

[short laurel]

yea china main reason are they actually build public infrastructure and spent alot in R&D. they build so many government companies and turned them into private companies. all for their economy.

but also china violated copyrights and patent alot. waay too much.

[upbeat stream]

California is stuck making their high speed rail since 2010 and have nothing to show for it. China is corrupt yes, but they still manage to use funds efficiently to build things that are necessary for development

[mint elm]

I will say tho thats more Free Market Capitalism running government vs controlled economy, Its not like the EU or Japan struggles that much. Dont mistake it as democracy vs aristocracy

[short laurel]

korea and japan also and even Singapore not playing corruption when it comes to public infra.

they are corrupt as hell but they not let that get in the way of public infra.

meanwhile india. even simple road maintance has too much corruption...

[mint elm]

I mean if my lifestyle isnt good and I have no rights theres not much to lose when I rebel against the government

[upbeat stream]

It's just the US being extremely corrupt. France, Spain and Korea are excellent when it comes to building rail infrastructure

[mint elm]

but if I live developed life then im more hesistant, more to lose

[storm warren]

gotta blame US flight companies for that. they are lobbying hard so people never get public transportation

[upbeat stream]

And Elon of course

[short laurel]

why are my country's people indian's not like u T_T

[mint elm]

LOL

True, altho I think they are developing rn? Idk anything about them

[short laurel]

dude they even lobby to get US government to interfere in other coutries. visa and mastercard did so to stop india push for it's own card many years back.

[upbeat stream]

And now they are cooked in India. Fewer and fewer people using their cards

[mint elm]

I found his falling out w Trump interesting, I wonder what he’ll do in 2028

[short laurel]

nope. even basic road maintaince has gone down to nul. it's all prapaganda and zero quality devleopment.

[short laurel]

his party lol i forgot he made his own party

[mint elm]

I personally feel like he’ll (fail to) get a libertarian party

Ive never trusted western governments since oct 7 tbh but pls dont go on that tangent

[short laurel]

can elon even run for us government with him not being born there

[mint elm]

no

[upbeat stream]

No he can't

[pseudo heath]

are there any good world leaders rn, i feel like a lot are jus bums in their own way

[mint elm]

German government is interesting

[short laurel]

comparatively speaking. Singapore is less corrupt than others rn.

[mint elm]

oh yea singapore too, I hella respect their founder

[pseudo heath]

they halted arms dealing to israel which is good

[upbeat stream]

Spain is good

[mint elm]

How tf did a Lawyer make top 3 developed countries oat in a small island off malaysia

[pseudo heath]

and then u have the UK doing fuck all and jus tryna restrict free speech

[short laurel]

by actually caring about his country and people. somethign that's rare.

[mint elm]

Macron is interesting

[upbeat stream]

UK is in a funny state right now where both the major parties are collapsing. I think within a decade, you'll have two new parties competing

[short laurel]

they don't hold back when it come to buildign public infrastructure. like japan kroea and china.

[mint elm]

andrew tate party lmfaooo I kinda hope that happens j for the laughs

Thatd be INSANE Andrew Tate PM

[pseudo heath]

yk its bad when reform is insanely popular with the younger gen

[upbeat stream]

No, it'll be nigel farage vs jeremy corbyn

[mint elm]

well it would be funny and entertaining campaign and like first 2 months, then extremely unfunny

[upbeat stream]

Tories and labour are dying fast

[pseudo heath]

he has no motion he fell off

[mint elm]

yea ik ~5% chance of that happening

[short laurel]

again extremely offtopic we are

[mint elm]

i kinda like corbyn, wasnt he scammed out of PM tho?

[upbeat stream]

lol where are the mods? They have given us free reign

[mint elm]

the most obvious labour win and they got him not 2 be leader j before

[pseudo heath]

where can we find updates for njz on the 14th? do i jus refresh twitter or jus look here

[short laurel]

yes.

[upbeat stream]

Both

[mint elm]

normally this channel is fairly ontopic but

[pseudo heath]

the newparty hes forming doesnt seem that bad, compared to what we have now

[upbeat stream]

But maybe we won't get any updates, who knows

[mint elm]

the hybe incelism -> femenism -> sinophobia -> world politics topic train do be running

[craggy skiff]

https://www.reddit.com/r/NJZ/s/gPj1mJ41uR
There are a comment that describe whole timeline for harin story
My X is full of shaman shjt. Feel live time travel back to 2024 lol

[vale grove]

Any updates?

[mild mist]

nothing

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1955282899932156057 does not contain any media!

[heady gate]

*x https://x.com/Expatriarch_uk/status/1955095958548549741

[harsh dove]

@Expatriarch_uk <t:1754966175:d>

[heady gate]

TAG PR charge $30k a month

*x -c https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1955285774858920037

[harsh dove]

@MinotaurKard <t:1755011430:d>

HYBEs Int head PR bragging that they can't be traceable and on how they want to change the narrative.. come the fuck on

[feral tapir]

is this a L for us

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/TOKKI_JPN_820/status/1955147456318149066

ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)

8月25日に予定されていたADOR元職員によるミンヒジンへの損害賠償請求訴訟の3次弁論が、ミンヒジン側の弁論期日変更申請により10月13日に変更されました。

X · Aug 12, 2025, 6:00 AM

MHJ v Employee B delayed from August 25 to October 13.
Schedule updated: https://discordapp.com/channels/948917131989381173/1231839760759263232/1347602974637031448

I don't know if it's worth re-pinning the schedule back to the top of the list, because the summary at the top is a bit incomplete anyway.

[bronze talon]

We will never know why

[hollow sorrel]

isn't it because one of MHJ's main lawyer stepped down from the case or something

[waxen musk]

Someone remind me, but wasn't that a rumour based on a previous delay, unrelated to this delay?

Of course the order in which these hearings play out for MHJ could be advantageous to her, but I don't think there's any known reason for this recent delay by MHJ.

Anyway if I miss a delay like this again, just @ me to update the schedule. I saw it when I was away and almost forgot to update the schedule.

[frozen granite]

One more day bunnies

[warm hollow]

it’s so scary 😭

[waxen musk]

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[pseudo heath]

they'll pull thru

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/NJZBAM/status/1955373714503053634 true...

yb (@NJZBAM)

There are two active HYBE girl groups that have removed a member both before and after their debut, yet they’re the ones spreading conspiracy theories about how another group selected their members.

X · Aug 12, 2025, 8:59 PM

[analog depot]

The bottom tweet reminded me of this article that confuses me cuz we’re talking about newjeans but illit is the cover

[heady gate]

lol. Is that a human error?

[cinder narwhal]

illit copied so hard even the writer couldn't tell them apart from newjeans /s

[mint elm]

LOL

illit j doesnt match the njz hype tbh

[short laurel]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1955285109529071949?t=wN9YW6-V8EvK308I6_ptnw&s=19

Like seriously bro. I felt bad for her when incel forum used her for internet drama. But now her team using it is disappointing

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram)

☠️

X · Aug 12, 2025, 3:07 PM

[mint elm]

I genuinely wanna know whats going on at Ador rn

theres no new jeans r mfs j getting paid to sit on their ass all day, sounds like my kinda job

[short laurel]

They are on bench in corporate

[short laurel]

It used to only say somu nteam. They added ador after drama by incel

[steep torrent]

wait till they find out ador was made in 2021

damn just checked the site. its there, thats embarassing lol

[short laurel]

there's already a defender to making up story on how it's possible.

[mild mist]

Are they saying that min heejin did some doctor who stuff and that's why the timeline doesn't match?

[short laurel]

https://x.com/I_CU_2_/status/1955416448345538734

yumm (@I_CU_2_)

For those people who call this girl a liar. Just take a closer look at what is written on the website itself. She was a trainee in Hybe, specifically Somu, and then Ador starting in 2020. But the end is not indicated

X · Aug 12, 2025, 11:49 PM

https://x.com/I_CU_2_/status/1955417146512855470
https://x.com/I_CU_2_/status/1955418931398955239

yumm (@I_CU_2_)

The fact that it only says 2020 doesn't mean that she stopped being a trainee in 2020. The girl herself said that she was a trainee for 2 years and then received an exclusive contract before the debut, as is usually the case with exclusive contracts

X · Aug 12, 2025, 11:52 PM

yumm (@I_CU_2_)

Plus, she claimed that she was the only one whose contract was terminated, while the others remained as they were. It turns out that the group had already been formed and other trainees with exclusive contracts were not affected

X · Aug 12, 2025, 11:59 PM

i really need a dub of her interview.

[cinder narwhal]

let this nugu rest 😭

[cinder narwhal]

the subs aren't good enough?

[stable sparrow]

did anyone tell them ador was created in 2021

[tawdry vessel]

why ppl care so much about this

[short laurel]

i only saw clips on x. there's was no dub or sub. i m fine with either.

[cinder narwhal]

nothing else to talk about. imo it's even less relevant than bang pd crime stuff

[upbeat stream]

Newjeans have said, long before this conflict so no incentive to lie, that they wished for only them 5 to debut. And had a very long period before debut where the lineup had been finalized and they were training endlessly, just waiting

Plus, if this is true, why would dispatch not say a thing? Why would they miss out on such a juicy story when they covered this exact topic back in June 2024?

They never said someone almost debuted in the group and was cut off right before debut even after getting an exclusive contract

[cinder narwhal]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ckx8qfzLE_E

[short laurel]

thx

[short laurel]

haven't seen dispatch news in a while. are they still covering njz story ?

[cinder narwhal]

maybe harin agency paid sniper for marketing 😭 no way tokkis making this girl rElevANt

[short laurel]

also somu tried ot take credit for selection remember. so if they used it, according to their own story blame will go ot somu xD

[hushed whale]

wait the video uploaded a month ago lol. didnt notice yesterday

[hushed whale]

they still do, but not exclusive breaking news like those trainee videos

[upbeat stream]

Wtf I just saw, you're telling me this was uploaded a month ago and only now making all the noise 😭 😭

They're so transparent with the mediaplay

[short laurel]

ok ii saw the interview. and this guy is just making shit up on top of what she said to make a narrative.

[storm warren]

so she was debuting in le sserafim

[short laurel]

no, she was in n-team.

[short laurel]

maybe her cuz this was updated recently. n-tema is repalced by ador today though.

[storm warren]

n team was in source music, some trainees were transferred around like youngseo in belift, even hanbi trained w s team i think. since they wanna stan her so bad, then she was lsf candidate bc her timeline does not match ador anyways

[cinder narwhal]

the dispatch trainee dance videos are from n team under source right

[storm warren]

yeah, tbh i dont see her in there but well its hard to recognize

[red thorn]

Tbf let's say this happened, it's not something to talk in casual tmi, it's too much internal and NDA worthy

[storm warren]

from what i see, everyone is adding their made up stories to what she actually said

[short laurel]

yea she said very little. not much.

[storm warren]

she was trainee, she didnt make it like 10 others didnt either. end of the story

newjeans signed exclusive contract in 2022 april. if there was anyone else other than 5 of them there, Dispatch would already write long ass headlines about it

[short laurel]

she might be mistaking exrclusive contract with trainee contract. she was young back then after all.

[storm warren]

yeah, im sure trainee contract is also exclusive in its form. like exclusive trainee contract and not artist contract

its impossible for anyone to sign it before debut group is finalized and debut process is launched. newjeans signed contract in April and went to Spain in May to film MVs

[sage venture]

that profile change is shady even by their standards, though

[storm warren]

they are jumping on online attention which is dishonest of them

[short laurel]

yea disappointed in her agency

[cinder narwhal]

well they're doing good for their artist

ride the noise

[short laurel]

but the noise makers are women hating incels.

[hollow sorrel]

why are they making such a big deal out of this Harin case like NOTHINNG guarantees that you debut???

why is she doing interviews talking about it and her management is pushing it too its just so weird some people are desperate for clout

[upbeat stream]

theqoo reactions. If even they are siding with us, the mediaplay failed terribly

Thank god she's Japanese

[half knot]

a lot of those comments are really mean

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, knetz are evil. When they were against us, from injunction ruling to dismissal of mhj's charges, it was painful to see

Nowadays, it seems to have swung back in our favor, but that'll only last if njz wins in October

[short laurel]

i wish they would point out how she never said ador but media put ador for drama.

[cerulean lake]

could never be a public figure there. idk how ppl say stuff online without feeling bad 🫩

[waxen musk]

People are still talking about this? Damn. Even if it was true (it's not), what were we supposed to do with this information? I wouldn't be surprised if this is just distraction tactics. But my question is, how did people get so distracted by something so unimportant?

[buoyant hamlet]

because of so many news outlets reporting it and bots commenting on it

[waxen musk]

Ugh, new video uploaded, reminding me that all that website talk was probably a waste of time.

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1955562271096369479

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

Why both sides can win or lose in October

On July 24th, 2025 the third and final hearing of the main trial had ended.

It lasted about 100 minutes. Both sides had about 30-40 minutes of presentation time.

Excuse my grammar/spelling mistakes

If the court believes that Ador’s

X · Aug 13, 2025, 9:29 AM

[waxen musk]

That was a much nicer full summary of the hearing than I've read previously (the one pinned isn't great). It is interesting though just how strong NJZ's side feels, it would drive me insane if the judges couldn't understand why.

Added timestamp (<t:1755147600:R>) to schedule.

[craggy skiff]

dont know if he hide any adverse details but base on this summary ador thesis is weak as f
anyway, time up, let's pray for the best tomorrow

[waxen musk]

I hope they can figure something out.

[raven kelp]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1955468957063975141
the nerve-

pannchoa (@pannchoa)

NewJeans' Japanese member, Harin, gives an interview on how she got dropped from the debut lineup
https://t.co/4lMSdODyCg

X · Aug 13, 2025, 3:18 AM

oh and no hate to harin i mean whoever tweeted that

[storm warren]

we need to leave this behind

tomorrow we getting Minji pics black outfit gonna eat

[waxen musk]

I've been saying I don't think anything will happen tomorrow, but the fact is there's a chance it could be over. I get goosebumps thinking about it.

[raven kelp]

https://youtu.be/5Rli94zPzjM
yep no more after this

[hushed whale]

Hello, this is Harin.
Lately, I’ve been feeling both grateful and a little overwhelmed by the sudden wave of attention I’ve received.
What I shared in the interview were deeply personal experiences of frustration and disappointment from my past. I hope everyone understands that it was not meant to criticize or expose any specific company or individual.
It was indeed a difficult time for me, but it was also a period that helped me grow stronger, and I’m truly grateful for it. I still support and cheer on the team members who laughed and cried with me during those times!
I know I still have room to improve, and I’ll continue to work hard to show you a better version of myself.
Just like the seasons change—no matter how hot the summer gets, the autumn wind will blow and bring the fall—I’ll remain the same Harin.
Thank you for your continued support!

she posted this on her youtube, i think we should stop talking about her now

i think ador still feel very confident after the injunction win, so prob nothing gonna happen tmr

[cinder narwhal]

we shouldn't have in the first place, sniper baited and everyone fell for it 😭

[short laurel]

original article is deleted btw

[zealous helm]

is sniper legit

[grizzled summit]

Lol if she was a member
Haerin
Harin
Hyein
Hanni

[zealous helm]

Do we know its gonna be her

I mean it probably is i dont see anyone else going along

[zealous helm]

i hope it does

if it doesnt we are in this for the long run

[storm warren]

It will be probably her. it seems judge really wants one member to attend, maybe has direct questions to her

[zealous helm]

whoever loses will appeal so thats another 6+ months

[waxen musk]

I don't know where you pulled 6 months from lol

[short laurel]

yea but girls will be able to do idol activities.

[zealous helm]

oh yeah injunction stops in october right

[mild mist]

In short - no
In medium length - nooooooooooo
etc.

[short laurel]

wait. this harin thing dropped right after bsh landed in kroea and got detained by cops. harin thing is not even news, it's old. dam media play.

[waxen musk]

That's what I was saying. It's a potentially a typical distraction tactic.

[short laurel]

not potentially. it is.

[raven kelp]

they're def creative when it comes to these damned distraction tactics

[waxen musk]

Unfortunately, extremely effective too.

[grizzled summit]

Which member is going to the mediation

[waxen musk]

I've read this regarding hopes for seeing at least one of the members: https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1955517998019785196

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

@njzyssz its wrong. a rep of each member as in attorneys, guardians etc. a member can go but its not required

X · Aug 13, 2025, 6:33 AM

[raven kelp]

we won't know until tmr

[waxen musk]

I wish I had more hope for something happening tomorrow, but the main reason I don't is because ADOR has shown absolutely zero willingness or proposals to resolve anything from their end to appease the girls or give them anything to consider for them to change their minds. Everything ADOR has done has been for convincing the judges or to get things out there through media play. Things like their future plans for the group, entirely unconvincing. I don't sense any sincerity that they want to resolve this in a way that even benefits themselves. There's been no indication, and if things change tomorrow, it'll be a surprise.

[grizzled summit]

If the mediation succeeds then will the girls go back and return as NewJeans???

[mild mist]

It's possible
Unlikely but possible

[native anchor]

if it succeeds yes

[grizzled summit]

Okay good then

[waxen musk]

I think people are focusing too much on the unrealistic hope that the girls' requests are met, even in part.
I think that's close to impossible and people don't understand that the mediation could end with none of that even coming into consideration, but instead completely different deals or offers could come up instead.
It is possible for a mediation to succeed without the girls getting what we know they have been repeatedly asking for. As long as they are happy enough to compromise on whatever is proposed. Same can be said vice versa of course.

Simplest example being ADOR requesting a payment and/or sharing of earning until contract naturally ends. This would be an simple and easy end for the mediation. No idea if it's even being considered.

I think people think the only option is for MHJ and the rest of ADOR being returned to it's old state is the only thing that's going to be discussed during the mediation. Could be anything, even things we haven't thought of.

I said before, but ADOR doesn't win even if they technically win in October. They won't ever have the girls back. The only way they can win is after October with additional lawsuits and requests for compensation.

lol I haven't even read this yet but the timing of my yap and 1tokki's yap is funny. https://x.com/juantokki/status/1955596140818444321

1tokki (@juantokki)

There are a few mediation outcomes that I see based on what we already know:

1. Full Agreement
NewJeans returns if and only if ADOR is reverted to Pre-April 2024 state.

2. Clean Termination
The contract ends by mutual agreement. NewJeans leaves FRAUDOR with settlement terms and

X · Aug 13, 2025, 11:43 AM

Seems like 1tokki said similar to what I just said. I should have just noticed this post before yapping myself.

Not that you should trust 1tokki or me or what anyone says. None of us know nothing, in the end.

I still think it's mutually beneficial for both the girls and ADOR to come to some sort of agreement before wondering for a few months if either of them has convinced the judge in a way where they are close to 100% confident in a win.

I just wonder who's more desperate for an agreement tomorrow. Sometimes it feels like the girls are not happy, but content in just having things go the way they go and then living their lives as happily as they can despite the outcome.
Whereas for ADOR, I can still to this day not really understand their purpose and intent for this whole saga. Are they just being malicious and evil for fun? Or is there an actual careful and calculated business case for every step they're making.

If you believe everything is under BSH's control and his disgusting and petty nature, then you'll believe the former. It's why it's so hard to understand, it doesn't seem realistic for a huge company to behave this way, but we kept having this ridiculous situation getting proven to us over and over again, that none of this is normal.
Therefore again, I see ADOR not budging and not even particularly caring if they win or lose, as long as the damage has been done. It seems that's their goal.

There's also the fact that ADOR lied to the court about their situation if the girls don't return, that it'll be basically over for them and they'll have to get rid of staff. But then we see them showing off work, doing creative camps or whatever it was, and holding auditions for a boy group. They seem plenty busy and prepared for their future. This should also be taken into account when it comes to trying to understand what their goal is in all of this.

[short laurel]

they just wanted mhj out and somehow take credit for newjeans success. but they didn't expect newjeans and mhj and rest of the team to fight back. most usually don't.

and they kept expecting to girls to shut up after so much mediaplay but girls didn't and now ador is in mess.

i think hybe just lost control cuz they didn't expected this. and are struggling now.

[waxen musk]

How it all started--getting rid of MHJ so they don't have to pay her--that's the only thing I can understand from their perspective.
But why I yap so much and continue to not understand what the hell their goal is in all this is because things didn't go their way at all... so what now? I don't know what they want now.

[short laurel]

how hybe still has top company status.

[vale grove]

I feel like this makes more sense, I feel like even her visual seems like something that would fit lesserafim better, very tired of people bringing this up 🫩

[midnight yarrow]

I remain firmly Camp Terminate and leave. They do not want to be at ADOR any longer, and HYBE is a cesspool. If there is any mediation, which I doubt, I hope it's to find reasonable terms both parties can agree on to facilitate their departure

[heady gate]

What does Ador want from the mediation outcomes? A large payment. 💵

[storm warren]

There is no money for them

[heady gate]

real. HYBE has many issues going on in the past 2 months. The company needs to focus on those cases. 😅

[midnight yarrow]

Karma. I hope that company dissolves and all the sub labels get spun off

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/lifestyle010101/status/1955576806255505601?t=eZTXM3HTcE_0pnKb60EyjA&s=33

코난 (@lifestyle010101)

조정기일에 특별히 뭐있겠나 싶다 뭔가 합의점이 보일려고 했으면 오늘같이 거짓정보 퍼트려가며 선동하면 안됐었지
낼 판사가 울애들 왔으면 좋겠다는건 합의의사 유무 확인도 있겠지만 직접 얘기한번 들어보고싶은게 있는것 같음 굳이 출석 안해도 되는데 꼭...

X · Aug 13, 2025, 10:26 AM

Based on this k-tokki's tweet, I think the part about the judge requesting at least a member to attend is true

This person is quite active and knowledgeable about the case

[hollow sorrel]

I feel like the most likely scenario for settlement is just ADOR being restored to its original state

[raven kelp]

why would they drag things to this point if they were willing to do that already?

because that's the one thing njz had been asking for since the beginning

and they also gave fraudor a lot of chances to reverse it

[heady gate]

It is too late to change now

[raven kelp]

if they were not willing then why now?

[empty halo]

I see people talk about how a lot of hate comments against nwjns are fake/automated by tag pr. Thats true but theres a reason why they do that, its to sway public opinion and it's worked scarily well in the past for defamation. Tag PR's president represented Johnny Depp and Justin Baldoni, who defamed Amber Heard and Blake Lively. They were SO effective that these 2 women are still hated. Makes me a bit scared for njz

Even after these media tactics were exposed, it didn't matter much. People still dislike Blake and Amber

[hollow sorrel]

I just feel like the court assisted mediation gives them the platform/means to do something like that

restoring ADOR to its old state would mean NewJeans would also probably revise their contracts to avoid MHJ’s unilateral removal in the future and maybe other non negotiables

[heady gate]

Eliminate the Tag PR's president. Problem solved.

[empty halo]

I wish

[raven kelp]

only few hours remaining let's see what happens

[storm warren]

judges are so lazy, cant they wrap this up before hanni's bday

i sure dont want fraudor to post bday congratulation to hanni after everything ughhh makes me sick

[heady gate]

I am wondering which member is going to attend. How many photographers are going to be standing outside the court. Those shots worth money.

[storm warren]

more than one can attend? let Haerin speak!

she gonna end hybe

we havent seen them since bdays (except marathon runner danielle)

[empty halo]

if theyre supposed to attend i doubt just one would go, theyd probably go together to show unity

[storm warren]

i think so too but I worry it will be too hard on Hanni and Hyein especially

[empty halo]

come on someone re-assure me and put me on that tokkium tell me their reputation will be FINE

😭

[upbeat stream]

Even though it's private, I wonder if one or both sides will leak the contents of the mediation

[empty halo]

i can see that, but also the other 3 members and their legal team will be there so theyll have their support

if only one persons gonna attend im assuming its gonna be minji bc shes the oldest

[hushed whale]

only ppl like us care about these drama lol, as long as the music is good they will be fine

[hollow sorrel]

it’s confidential so probably not

[empty halo]

thanks

[heady gate]

nothing is private. Sniper will create a fake leak to bring viewers.

[hollow sorrel]

the worst part about the settlement is that even if they settle we will have no idea about the terms or anything

all we will get tomorrow (if they settle) is probably just an update that “NewJeans and ADOR have settled outside of court” or something like that

[heady gate]

We will find out in 15 hours

[empty halo]

harin, the girl who claimed to have been kicked out of the "newjeans lineup" is liking shady comments

starting to seem like a hybe pr thing

[heady gate]

There are other girls got kicked out too, how come no one talks about them?

bc some of them joined different groups and label companies

[hollow sorrel]

right like literally who cares TT hundreds of people audition and become trainees for groups every year

why should we care that this girls’ contract was terminated when it happens to all the others too

• this bitterness and the timing (before the mediation) she’s either a clout chaser or HYBE is using this case to cover something

[storm warren]

they will be giving LJH a call the moment they open the door

[heady gate]

It is all due to one Sniper post. Tag PR tactic is working very well.

[midnight yarrow]

The Harin thing is such a stupid non issue. The less time spent discussing something that has happened to every final lineup for a K-Pop group EVER the better

[empty halo]

its an incredible pr company they know how to do their job u gotta give them that

[midnight yarrow]

When has joining a group ever been a charity? Trainees are added and removed all the time before the final lineup is set.

[storm warren]

she was source music trainee, its their problem. our fandom needs to move on and stop giving them clout tbh. understand its frustrating but ppl will say shitty lies about mhj and njz regardless not because that its true but its because haters have agenda against mhj and njz and they will find fault with anything and everything

in the end, nothing changes. njz remains njz as they are, harin will have to find her own success on her own as this attention will not last long.

[short laurel]

that other n team trainee that debuted. what was her name? i heard she talked good about njz.

[clear hill]

No like if I speak I’m gonna sound like a crazy conspiracy theory person 😭

[storm warren]

youngseo, yubin, hanbi, sakurai miu are the known ones

[short laurel]

lsfm memebr was in N team too right? hanni and she are close

[empty halo]

theres thousands of trainees out there doing social media, acting, music etc who couldve debuted in ggs that are massive rn, you usually dont see them talking how they could have debuted in said group

[empty halo]

yunjin and hanni are close but i dont think yunjin was in the n team

[storm warren]

they trained together at some point, probably before division happened between S and N team

[short laurel]

snsd, 2ne1 , bts. there have been trainees doing the same as harin xD

[heady gate]

It is Yubin in tripleS

[short laurel]

ohk! thx

[storm warren]

typo, my bad

[empty halo]

lmao true

[storm warren]

hybe moves trainees based on how they fit concept and vision. some trainees that dont debut in one line up have a try in another label or survival shows