NJZ Updates and Discussion

[wintry rose]

might be dollphams on twitter, but apparently the stuff they claim was from pro-hybe articles. that's what i read in the replies atleast

[warm hedge]

am thinking Nj should consider settlement. I know they don’t want to but I think it’s best all things considered

[waxen musk]

A financial settlement, if not an impossible number, would remove the risk of an unknown judgement, so yeah I kind of agree. I just don't see it happening to begin with.

[copper jetty]

Settlement for what? They are not going back to Ador. Even if they have to pay. Ador would just be a shell.

[cinder narwhal]

what kind

[snow furnace]

[warm hedge]

To buyout the contract and end the case. Have heard it could be another 2+ yrs away until it’s resolved otherwise

[waxen musk]

If Ador can get it through their thick skulls that NJZ are not going to return as is, then they can consider other types of settlements. But I really worry they will be unable to consider any other options.

I don't even know what types of settlements Ador are most likely to consider at this point.

[copper jetty]

It depends on Hybe. Remember they're the ones suing for contract validity.

[waxen musk]

Isn't it taking years longer just to do with IP rights? What else will take a lot longer to resolve?

Ofc the most important thing for now is the girls ability to finally be free of the contract Ador believes still applies. Are you saying you think things related to the contract will still take time to resolve?

[copper jetty]

I'm so angry and sad right now but I feel so odd because my music is hype boy / cookie.

Where is that meme when you're sad but the Playlist plays newjeans songs.

[heady gate]

There is nothing wrong of the song HYPE BOY

[copper jetty]

Bro I'm talking about the mood. 😭

[warm hedge]

Ok I hadn’t heard that it was just IP, I heard main case could take 2+ years, and they can’t perform until then. I hope you’re right

[waxen musk]

The main case is finishing in October lol

[heady gate]

IP is a different story. It would take years to settle it.

[waxen musk]

The legal process will last probably forever lol. But yeah IP is super important but not necessary.

[copper jetty]

This case is only for contract validity.

[waxen musk]

New fights will start up after October that we haven't even thought of.

[warm hedge]

where’d you hear this?

[sage venture]

the injunction is only valid until Oct 30 Unless something unprecedented happens, they’ll be free after that

[waxen musk]

From the schedule on the court's website that says "judgement on October 30". It's set in stone.

That's from after the hearing today. I thought you were speaking after knowing what happened today, but seems not?

It's ok if you aren't fully caught up. Just wondering.

[warm hedge]

No I’m definitely not fully caught up lol. Its hard to find good sources

Glad I asked though, that sounds much more promising

[waxen musk]

Ah ok sorry for assuming lol. Yeah things are ending a lot sooner than the "multiple years" we heard about when this whole thing started. Even more recently people were assuming things would get resolved in the new year. But now we know for certain the main lawsuit will end on October 30!

[heady gate]

The settlement day on Aug 14 is pointless. I think Haerin to represent NJ.

Just kidding, please don't send Haerin. She would use her thumb in court.

[waxen musk]

There are so many examples of settlements that could be acceptable but I just don't know how any of them will happen. The risk of unknown final judgement is the only reason to even entertain any of these settlements, though. You have to be 99% confident you'll win the case to not even think about a settlement. And obviously we can't even begin to guess a percentage for the final judgement going our way (but it won't be 99%).

[rugged dagger]

bruh

[waxen musk]

I never realised that idiot was so high ranking in fake Ador.

[brittle snow]

can someone tell like what happened today

[copper jetty]

VP. But the way they had a recording of her having no plans.

Hybe was really just planning on sidelining them. If the girls didn't do anything they'll end up like fromis.

[waxen musk]

People are gonna keep asking what happened today after waking up in different time zones and I've yet to find something I'm fully ok with linking. Anyone else find anything with a substantial summary?

[tardy smelt]

I saw people joking saying Kim Nayeon stayed in ADOR as a double agent to get this evidence

That future documentary is gonna go crazy

[upbeat stream]

Ador has managed to weasel their way out before by saying it's hybe/belift etc but if an ador executive really did say it then that's really damning

[waxen musk]

I and others jokes about Hybe stans complaining about Nayeon being a spy ever since we saw the Ador boy group audition video.

[copper jetty]

Same. I don't have any links like at all to any of sejong's arguments. Nothing on the media regarding the recording. It's like we're having a full media blackout on there.

[waxen musk]

Don't forget we still don't know the story for why Nayeon is currently at Ador. Too much to speculate.

Could be she has no choice lol. Who knows.

[tardy smelt]

It’s a good day today

[copper jetty]

Maybe she's taking into consideration a lock up period. Remembered mhj has one, she probably does too.

[blazing sky]

fate always knows how to work it's ways

[tardy smelt]

It’ll happen at 9:50am KST on Oct 30 btw

[blazing sky]

the stars were going to align for these girls soon enough

[rain spade]

why is there no consequences of fake evidence and lying

[bronze talon]

Actually

[waxen musk]

Cos it's not a criminal case, I'm guessing. It's up the the judge to deem evidence valid or not.

We've already heard about the KKT and Shaman "evidence" being invalid yet consistently resubmitted.

[pulsar wasp]

x* https://x.com/splias/status/1948313474087473198?s=46&t=fNOSZJh6PZHLeSxBuZ7DWA

can anyone confirm these upcoming dates? I wanna put ‘em in my calendar

Lia (@Splias)

2025.08.14 : Mediation Date
2025.10.30 : Judgment Announcement

The judge announces the court’s final decision (verdict) at 9:50 AM KST.

X · Jul 24, 2025, 9:25 AM

[empty halo]

https://x.com/dollphams/status/1948346311235023128?t=puMgly9KUvA-_RyuI9zz5Q&s=19
just a random tweet

n 🌬️♪ (@dollphams)

they should pay the termination fee if it’s not that much anymore cuz based on what the judges were saying…I have a hunch on what the verdict will be

X · Jul 24, 2025, 11:35 AM

not some credible expert but what they said gave me a bad feeling

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1948371502979785149?t=UlMf0yqxpyA2Fkt33dfGZA&s=19

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM)

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X · Jul 24, 2025, 1:15 PM

[waxen musk]

ooh you know this is serious even before I can translate it

[copper jetty]

Translation

Just team bunnies suing people.

[waxen musk]

Seriously amazing

[empty halo]

these are people who defamed nwjns?

[copper jetty]

Yeah

[empty halo]

wow thats crazy
i wonder who team bunnies is bc they're dedicated as fuck

[heady gate]

Any success of suing them, yet?

Or, is it just a beginning?

[bitter prism]

Any good news?

[copper jetty]

Yeah it says there people are found guilty and fined. Some also are awaiting prosecution

[heady gate]

yes, October 30 (09:50 KST) - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial *judgement

[copper jetty]

I'm scared, but at the same time happy that it's all over.

[tawdry vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/who-me-eho-me-pointing-at-self-nah-gif-14254531587298250253

[tidal basin]

Yeah, they do a great job

[copper jetty]

Lmao I recognize this being a dahyun fancam.

[empty halo]

i wouldnt trust info by lia bc she over-exaggerates

but if you were to make a guess when do you guys think this trial would end? I know its difficult to predict but just a guess

[heady gate]

MHDHH main case began on April 3. The final judgment day is on Oct 30. I think 7 months is pretty quick.

[pulsar wasp]

ok g2k. But the dates are from a screenshot. I just wanna know if they are accurate dates, cause I wanna put them in my calendar to set alerts.

[empty halo]

ywah, i can't verify them tho sorry

[pulsar wasp]

All good

[bitter prism]

People that I know, who knows a lot abt this, it should take 2 years. But glad that it won't take 2 years, but it'll take time tho. We'll know.

[tidal basin]

I hope ends in this year… for the mental health of the girls and fans

[heady gate]

7 months is nice

[waxen musk]

It's set in stone. It's 100% happening. And yes Lia exaggerates everything. But this is the court's website multiple people are reporting on. And those dates don't change unless delays happen (with hearings), not with final judgements.

[waxen musk]

6 months is the minimum from what I heard. So yeah really quick, luckily.

[empty halo]

WHAT i thought she was lying omg
@pulsar wasp its real

[waxen musk]

People have confirmed it for themselves by going on the court website and using the case number to see the schedule on there. It's 100% 100%.

(That's what the screenshot is. And Lia took it from other people.)

[rugged dagger]

so what i gather is it could end Aug. 14, otherwise Oct. 30 by judge

or is Aug. 14 still another step before Oct. 30

[bitter prism]

It would be fun if it's on aug 14, my exact birthday

[empty halo]

lot closer than i thought omg??

[tardy smelt]

the verdict could also be appealed though, right?

[heady gate]

I am expecting a lot of photographers on Aug 14. Yes, it is going to be a big day for photographers.

[cinder narwhal]

choi yumi story 😄
it's another group 😭

[rugged dagger]

we get favorable outcome and njz drops music in time to save the summer

[cinder narwhal]

yall see those tweets about other fandoms using nj duo names like bbangsaz

[stone grotto]

So basically what I’m hearing is Ador is arguing they want them back not for the girls’ sake but for everything else

[bitter prism]

*x https://x.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1948332356177150447

Pls confirm this

About Music (@AboutMusicYT)

NewJeans side at their court hearing today:

"The members want to continue their entertainment careers but not under ADOR. Just being near the ADOR building makes their hearts race, and some members even had to take antidepressants."

X · Jul 24, 2025, 10:40 AM

[rugged dagger]

they say its crucial to the kpop industry lmao

[stone grotto]

If they’re so crucial, they won’t mind them resuming activities independently then right?

For the greater good

[pulsar wasp]

eyyy so dates are legit!

[heady gate]

Easy answer. If someone bully me at work, I would find a new job.

[bitter prism]

What's all over?

[waxen musk]

August 14 is a legal requirement. A settlement must be discussed. It seems so unlikely though but you never know what ideas either side has to resolve things. It would certainly help either side considering whatever the final judgment is cannot be predicted. But both sides are pretty stubborn in their ways so they're going to strongly believe they're in the right and be confident about the judgment, because well... that's what lawyers are there for, to do their jobs confidently.

[copper jetty]

This whole validity case.

Even if they win or lose we'll still get them back no matter what... that is if they still want to

[pulsar wasp]

I asked ChatGPT to summarize the 7/24 hearing.

One part that stuck out to me was that NJZ’d maybe consider returning if pre April’24 ADOR team is reinstated, including reinstating MHJ as ADOR CEO.

first time I’m hearing this, since MHJ would probably never return to ADOR, and HYBE would never rehire MHJ as CEO haha

[copper jetty]

https://m.koreaherald.com/article/10539346

Why are most articles like this and sejong side barely even have anything covered.

Last paragraph was just clownery atp.

[empty halo]

chatgpt can't read njz's minds tho
the legal team is talking about how even being near the ador building makes the members feel anxious and they need antidepressants. atp i don't think they wanna touch hybe even if mhj is reinstated

[pulsar wasp]

Agreed

[empty halo]

unless ador goes independent of hybe now that's when they might go back

[copper jetty]

Hope bsh gets fined so high he might sell ador and its ip

[waxen musk]

Them saying restore Ador to pre-April 2024 is what they've been saying from the beginning, including in their 14 day notice period that Ador failed to satisfy.

[pulsar wasp]

yeeeooo I like that! Is he too powerful, rich, and connected to go to jail? cause those around him are getting locked up

[waxen musk]

Things are very clear that we've never gotten FULL reporting of every point presented in any of these hearings so far, until today where we had literal K-Bunnies doing the reporting. I'm surprised that seemingly hasn't happened before.

[copper jetty]

I mean let's be real. After kicking mhj out, that's never gonna happen. And I think mhj isn't even going back atp. She moved on and just waiting if she could cash in on that put option if she wins.

[bitter prism]

Hope bsh drop his soap

[copper jetty]

If he even is going to jail. I do hope he drops his soap then.

[cerulean lake]

well i wouldn’t want them to come back when they could possibly be upset w/ the loss and w/ the fact that many people will be clowning/mocking them if they lose 🫩

[old cypress]

it's just yet another "chat are we cooked" tokki

[waxen musk]

Depends how desperate Ador are and if they actually start losing hope about winning. But obviously that's not the case. Both sides will be confident in themselves after spending so much time and MONEY.

[old cypress]

ppl indulge in doomposting because they don't wanna be disappointed by the final verdict

[pulsar wasp]

You’re totally right! Thx for reminding. They said that in their first livestream after leaving.

[copper jetty]

Ador has hybe backing them. I don't think they're desperate for anything.

[cerulean lake]

true. people got me looking forward to the injunction but that result was literally so disappointing. i don’t blame people for keeping their expectations low this time

[waxen musk]

Yeah it's what I do too. That's why I ask for full details in what Ador presented today even if it's all bullshit. I want to know both sides. I want to hear less optimistic analysis. When things look THIS good, it doesn't seem real. And always in the back of my mind is how confident people were before the injunction ruling. And you know how that went.

[waxen musk]

Well... we'll see if Hybe starts needing to be desparate after certain... events coming up

[pulsar wasp]

very very true

[old cypress]

court decisions are always a dice roll as anything can happen. In the face of uncertainty i'd rather stay positive and hopeful. Newjeans members are also staying positive and they're going through so much more than any of us do

[copper jetty]

I mean if you mean connected with the former president and her wife, father connected also to previous government type then yes. He is connected.

[old cypress]

the members would probably feel sad if they saw tokkis doomposting as a defence mechanism

[pulsar wasp]

I wish we could give them all the power we have like the fans did with Rumi and HUNTR/X when they defeated Gwi Ma

[heady gate]

"each member had already received over 5 billion won in earnings."

5 billion won = 3.6 million USD = 3.1 million Euro

[cerulean lake]

hate how they bring up money as it’s some sort of excuse for all of the other shit they do.

it’s like saying “here, we paid you so you technically can’t complain that we mistreated you”. and it sucks that this viewpoint is accepted by the court 🫩

[copper jetty]

As they should... they and their team are the ones working their ahhh off.

[old cypress]

Also I'm just assuming here but it's probably difficult for reporters to get njz's side since they have no PR team and they won't talk to korean news

[waxen musk]

There's a reason the girls' parents opened the mhdhh_pr IG account ages ago

[polar owl]

We paid you, so we can put you in a hiatus

[copper jetty]

And that's the bare minimum. Because it's an investment.

[waxen musk]

Of course they barely used it, but the specifically said why it was necessary. They have nobody on their side in the press.

Can go on and on about numbers of articles on one side vs the other. It's insane. It does make me wonder if the media ever switch up if NJZ win and stop accepting Hybe's money (ofc not). Expect media play against NJZ for the rest of time. I'm not joking.

Ofc everything going on with Hybe's fraud can hopefully stop this control over the media. I don't know.

They'll have to cut costs somewhere at some point, surely.

[old cypress]

it's indeed possible that hybe push for negative mediaplay even after njz win and redebut

[waxen musk]

No idea what Hybe's future holds tbh. It's crazy how this hearing overshadowed HUGE news about the Hybe building being raided. Even talk about them working towards summoning BSH hasn't even been talked about here.

The less power Hybe has, it can only benefit us, is my tldr

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1948378879447453787?t=A7iKlzElb5BXISnf6YC5-Q&s=19

I guess all the core team NJS really did leave after all.

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

oh forgot to mention something.
Sejong -
every single person at old Ador who had the title team leader or in such position have resigned. ALL of them. So I'm guessing she wasn't that important.
Also around 50% of all employees including non essential have resigned.

X · Jul 24, 2025, 1:44 PM

[waxen musk]

I assume that means Nayeon never had a team leader position?

[old cypress]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1948298499893887069

1tokki (@juantokki)

Sejong:

“The Dolphiners music video had already been agreed upon because it was a huge success — but as soon as CEO Min stepped down, a lawsuit was filed.”

“There is no longer any staff left at this ‘Fake-ADOR’ capable of supporting the defendants (the members).”

“The ones who

X · Jul 24, 2025, 8:25 AM

[waxen musk]

I don't know anything about Nayeon other than her work.

[waxen musk]

I saw this earlier and wondered if the MV they're talking about is ETA directors cut or some then-future unknown MV.

[cerulean lake]

crazy how it’s so hard to find stuff relating to hybe’s issue rn. major korean ig accs that i used to see all the time that usually updated anything in the news won’t even post abt it smh 🫩

[old cypress]

yeah it feels like they're talking about newjeans's new comeback

[cerulean lake]

but in comparison anything bad abt nwjns would just be posted. not cool

[waxen musk]

What's new. I'm so used to this way of things at this point.

A lot

[cerulean lake]

true ig i was a bit happier in 2024 bc there was still sm support for them on the kside and that helped them when they were getting sm international backlash

unfortunately, i fear the mediaplay and bot farming by hybe was successful on the kside especially after the injunction loss

[waxen musk]

I don't know how I don't see it. But anyway I keep hearing from everyone saying it's bad.

[marble cape]

any updates?

[waxen musk]

Americans are waking up aren't they

[marble cape]

do we find out in august what the verdict is?

[native anchor]

october

august is mediation date

[waxen musk]

A mediation session will be held on August 14 to attempt a settlement. If mediation fails, a final verdict will be delivered on October 30.

Guys just copy and paste that every time an American asks. I'm tired.

Well Americans are waking up so there will be some

[marble cape]

im canadian tho

[waxen musk]

I always found it weird how people in either American continent (North or South) cannot consider themselves Americans because that only applies to people from the US.

US is greedy

[tranquil badger]

so the court hearing or wtv it was from today has been postponed?

[waxen musk]

No. It concluded. The next steps are what is shown in the pinned schedule.

Someone take over my job of answering everyone's questions. I'm very tired.

[tranquil badger]

ohh ok, so theres any info on what happened today?

[rugged dagger]

do any other countries in the Americas have america in their name? can't think of any

[copper jetty]

Yeah

[rain spade]

we cooking

[tranquil badger]

i think they mean the continent yk

[rugged dagger]

yeah but i was saying the reason only Americans call themselves Americans is because that's the country's name

unitedstatesians

[tranquil badger]

well, in my language and some others americans is like saying europeans or asians. in english there is no demonym for the us people for some reason so they are just called americans i guess

[empty halo]

the idea of a free ador makes me so feel so

[waxen musk]

Things wrapping up in August or October is the opposite of what Hybe wants, just remember that.

[sage venture]

yep they clearly wanted to drag this out as long as possible which makes it all the more puzzling that they didn’t respond to the judge’s formal requests

[copper jetty]

Which formal request??

[polar owl]

Aug 14 to October 30th - why would court take such a long time to decide - will there be multiple mediation attempts?

[old cypress]

prob had nothing to say that wouldn't make their position worse

[sage venture]

1. was there a board meeting around the time the exclusive contract was signed, deciding to delegate everything except contract parties, duration, and settlement terms to former CEO MHJ?
2. was there any discussion or explanation about the potential impact on NewJeans’ activities before or around the time MHJ was dismissed?
3. did the board actively and voluntarily take any measures regarding groups copying NewJeans’ concept?

Those are 3 formal requests the judge granted from the 2nd hearing

[cinder narwhal]

lol

[copper jetty]

Well maybe there's written arguments submitted..

[cerulean lake]

i’m so anxious for them..need to go back on my twt and discord cleanse for a few months again

can’t stand seeing hate comments from both sides 😩

[sage venture]

nope they said they have nothing to say So it's very strange

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1948387195477463130?t=E7yc8zk0fKCmxkWF_sKfwQ&s=19 -c

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1753366681:d>

This is one of the most insidious and under-discussed ways Korean media platforms are mistreating NewJeans, and sadly, very few are paying attention, especially outside of Korea.

Take this article, for example:

경제 > 법원, 어도어-뉴진스 ‘전속계약 분쟁’ 8월 조정 결론 시도
Economy > Court seeks to resolve ADOR–NewJeans ‘exclusive contract dispute’ through mediation in August.

At first glance, it may seem harmless. But here’s the problem: this clearly belongs in the Entertainment section, not Economy.

Why does this matter?

In South Korea, media platforms disabled comments on articles in the Entertainment section in an effort to curb online abuse. It’s a reform that came after the devastating passing of several young K-pop idols who were relentlessly bullied by netizens. It was a necessary move to protect artists’ mental health from toxic online mobs.

Now here’s where it gets ugly: articles about NewJeans are frequently and conveniently placed outside the Entertainment category… often under Economy, Society, or Law. This completely bypasses the no-comment protections and leaves the girls exposed to harassment and malicious comments, which are often flooded by HYBEstans and HYBEcels.

In other words, the Korean media is knowingly offering NewJeans up to hostile mobs, stripping away even the most basic digital protections while they’re in the middle of an emotionally and legally intense battle.

And Bang Si-hyuk? Guess where many outlets place articles about his crimes.
That’s right… Entertainment section.
The same protected zone.
No comments allowed.

So when the press talks about fairness or neutrality, remember this: they’re not just reporting the news… they’re actively choosing who gets protection and who gets fed to the wolves. And right now, it’s very clear which side they’ve chosen.

———

이건 뉴진스를 향한 대한민국 언론의 가장 교묘하고도 악의적인 행태 중 하나입니다. 특히 해외에서는 거의 주목조차 받지 못하고 있죠.

예를 하나 들어볼게요:

경제 > 법원, 어도어-뉴진스 ‘전속계약 분쟁’ 8월 조정 결론 시도

이 기

[waxen musk]

I had to confirm for myself. How the fuck is that post locked even though it's near the top of /r/kpop and have hundreds of comments? "Inactivity" is their excuse. WHAT https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GwoPPJIXgAE8Qm4?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[waxen musk]

I don't know if it's a skill I literally had to develop, but I'm just saying it is possible not to read the comments everywhere you look for news. But I understand when it's hard not to. I'm literally right now addicted to reading all the Tokkis opinions over and over for hours and hours now.

[tidal crystal]

Can someone tell me what happened in the court case

[rugged dagger]

i intervened. they are free now 🙂‍↕️

[heady gate]

October 30 (09:50 KST) - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial judgement

[thick glade]

Just in time for spooky season. I can wait 🙏

[waxen musk]

Hybe building being turned into one of those haunted house attractions

[thick glade]

It'll also be ditto season which seems thematically correct

[copper jetty]

I keep seeing positive things on X... I think I need to balance it out and see Hybe's argument. I'm scared on what even the judge thinks and how this will turn out since they've presented this before and nothing came of it.

[fierce cloak]

So i explored a bit with gpt - take this with grain of salt but i think it's important. Assume that NJZ win in verdict oct 30th -> Ador can appeal and request high court to oder NJZ "stay" - means block their activities until everything resolve fully when it reached supreme court, which can take 1-3 years. However Sejong can move fast to prepare blocking this to happen (assume the current judge if ruling NJZ won fair & square also rejected 'stay').
This situation is extremely rare, high court usually dont interfere if the judge already ruling fair. Other idols when they won their case all walk free and can perform. There is only 1 case where a small artist got blocked, which seems because he didnt have power/ voice.

So, there is a high chance >50% that NJZ can win and walk free without have to pay anything. But surely there are still other risks to happen.

[sage venture]

i don't know how many times I said this, there’s never been a precedent in Korea where a judge has ordered artists to return to a company after main lawsuit's judgement

[vestal rover]

ah so they can win and do a proper halloween comeback this time 😈

[old cypress]

if it goes to high court, njz is still free in the meantime unless ador applies for yet another injunction

[fierce cloak]

true, artists cannot be forced to return
plus it seems the patterns overall show the judge already lean toward njz and has his ruling. The meditation & verdict is due process

[fierce cloak]

yeah that's what the 'stay' in this scenarior. Which sejong can be fast to block it early

[empty halo]

but if hypothetically they lose and dont want to pay the fee, they'll just remain inactive? as in they'll officially be under ador but on hiatus until the contract ends right?

i think if they lose they'd just pay instead of halting their careers for even longer, but that's in the case thry lose

[old cypress]

most likely they have to go back working since it's their duty

they'll probably pay the penalty instead

[empty halo]

ador cant physically force them into the studio or to work w them though right

[old cypress]

no but ador can ask for damages for refusing to work most likely

[fierce cloak]

yeah it seems that would be the case.

Although lower chance they would lose. Ador must show something really crucial to change the situation. But so far they failed to give judge anything good. They keep repeat the same old argument that judge rejected, they dogde answer judge's questions, their behavior is aggressive & manipulative, the patterns showing njz/mhj/sejong is coherence, truthful, hybe/ bang is being investigated...etc

Obviously things will always have surprise elements, but i think we can trust sejong knowing what they are doing

[empty halo]

ohh rigjt

[hollow sorrel]

a big tokki account on twitter got 1000 likes for saying stupid shit like “they should start preparing for the penalties because the court accepted the kakaotalk messages”

when in reality witnesses who were there said that the court denied the kkt messages???

I wish this fearmongering inside the fandom would stop

[sage venture]

this is a civil lawsuit so the outcome usually won’t be simple win or loss

[empty halo]

alright coolio

[fierce cloak]

that's false statment

[old cypress]

yeah doomposting as usual

[empty halo]

there's a lot of confusion over the kkt messages and whether or not they've been accepted or denied

[old cypress]

there's no confusion if you have reading skills

[fierce cloak]

always have been denied by judges so far

[empty halo]

fire

[sage venture]

it wasn’t accepted or denied it just wasn’t considered relevant

[fierce cloak]

kkt is just something to sell drama to dumbass on social media, it's not valid by court

[hollow shore]

It doesn't matter what the contract says, you can't force people to be slaves to a company just because there is an employment contract. They can always leave. They can even leave the country if that is really what it comes down to.

[fierce cloak]

yeah this is more accurate. Like they just 'hear' as context, but not give in to those things, it's not relevant

[fierce cloak]

literally former exo members. They just left

[old cypress]

exo members reached a settlement with sm

[fierce cloak]

also the situation consider the time of conflict which was q2 2024, so 3 members was minors -> crucial in ruling the case

[fast snow]

https://x.com/aboutmusicyt/status/1948256526554079570?s=46&t=D3LnH-p9kYxTSqXq8OAdzA

About Music (@AboutMusicYT)

Police reportedly raided HYBE headquarters today.

X · Jul 24, 2025, 5:38 AM

[empty halo]

dont think thats a scenario thats gonna happen tho they're either winning or paying a fee and getting that shit over with

[old cypress]

the fee is likely to be much lower than expected also

so they might be able to get investors to pay on their behalf

[hollow shore]

hopefully they are able to get a reduced contract seperation fee and just move on with a clean slate. The current contract seperation fee is literally insane I think the total amount for all of them to leave is like more than even Hybe is worth. I don't think any court would find that reasonable.

[fierce cloak]

if njz win they dont have to pay anything 🤔

[hollow shore]

I looked at the thread before it was locked. There was no uncivility. Nothing like the current megathreads on r/kpop against MHJ and new jeans. I looked again and pretty much any comment which was anti-BSH was deleted.

[sage venture]

Korean civil law doesn’t allow an individual to bear astronomical penalties that's all media play

[hollow shore]

yeah that is the best case scenario.

[hollow sorrel]

Especially if they were minors when they signed the contract

[fierce cloak]

it's okay no need to look at kpoopper drama, they are irrelevant. Soon Bang will face his down fall. This government target him specifically so it's not easy to get away.
Similar to the argument about njz case today, just ignore haters and have good sleep because sejong did a great job.

[sage venture]

there’s even a supreme court precedent stating that if the penalty is excessively high, it can be deemed invalid I think that was one of the argument from TVXQ case too

[old cypress]

yeah it's not because it's written on a contract that the court will enforce it

[sage venture]

at the end of the day the girls will be free on Oct 30 that’s all that really matters

[fierce cloak]

yep we have high hope on that. It wont be perfectly smooth, but very good chance they can resume activities.
The biggest challenge is if ador get high court to force njz 'stay' (block activities like the injuction)
But it seems it's unlikely to happen. Still, sejong must be prepared and move quickly to prevent ador able to do it

[old cypress]

if njz lose they still have to request the court to reduce the penalty fee if it's not in the verdict

[sage venture]

as I said, it probably won’t be a simple win or loss The judge could rule the contract is technically valid, but that the trust between parties is irreparably broken therefore order its termination So is that a win or a loss?

[mint elm]

How did it go

[old cypress]

what's a win for you? Isn't the contract termination the whole point of this lawsuit?

Ah I get your point. It's not happening I think because if the trust is irreparably broken then njz was right with the termination

the judge saying "nope it wasn't terminated but we can terminate it now" doesn't make sense imo

[mint elm]

i just woke up can someone explain did we win or lose?

[old cypress]

wake up again oct 30, this is when we will know

[mint elm]

Here’s the latest update from July 24, 2025, on the NewJeans–ADOR legal showdown:

⸻

⚖️ 3rd Hearing: Contract Validity Dispute
• Third hearing took place today at Seoul Central District Court for ADOR’s lawsuit to confirm the validity of the group’s exclusive contracts .
• No breakthroughs—no mediation or settlement. As of now, no agreement has been reached .

⸻

💬 NewJeans’ Position & Condition for Return
• The group emphasized they could consider returning to ADOR, but only under one key condition: Min Hee-jin must be reinstated as CEO and the agency must restore its prior supportive culture .
• They also highlighted mental health struggles, citing stress, antidepressant use, and unreliable protective measures—like missing CCTV footage concerning Hanni—as evidence of a broken trust environment .

⸻

🛡️ ADOR’s Defense & Court Scope
• ADOR countered that it remains the legitimate holder of the group’s contract and previously won injunctions preventing NewJeans from undertaking independent deals .
• This hearing focused purely on legal arguments, with NewJeans requesting exclusion of any improperly obtained evidence .

⸻

🗓️ What Comes Next
• A court-ordered mediation is reportedly scheduled for August 14, though optimism is low on both ends .
• The final verdict on the core contract lawsuit is expected around late October .

⸻

🔍 Summary

Issue Status
Hearing #3 Held today—no resolution
NewJeans stance Willing to come back, only if Min Hee‑jin returns
Mental health claims Presented as evidence of unfair environment
ADOR stance Contract remains valid; injunction upheld
Next steps Mediation in August, verdict in October

⸻

Let me know if you want a deep dive into this timeline or what this means for their future career.

⸻

[copper current]

Korean system is so corrupted and evil. Meditation or agreement, NJZ need to get out of the hell

[old cypress]

I hate that i can tell chatgpt from the wording

[mint elm]

it is but like i needed a summary somewhere

[sage venture]

believe it or not, that’s usually what happens if the artist’s grounds are weak The court might say the contract is valid but still end it due to broken trust which makes the company in better position for following damage lawsuit

and that’s why most exclusive contract disputes end in settlement Companies lose leverage at the final stage

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1948426900931813581

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM)

변론 내용 中

"제가 말씀드린 불송치 결정서 증거 224호증으로 나와 있습니다. 여기 보시면 자 가장 중요한 내용이 이겁니다. ‘감사 보고서 기재와는 달리’ 라고 세 번째 줄에 나와 있습니다. 즉 아예 결론을 정해놓고, 감사를 한 다음에 감사보고서에 어 결국 너...

X · Jul 24, 2025, 4:55 PM

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1948427704631787653

they cooked HYBE so hard

[short laurel]

Link not working

[native anchor]

Cannot retrieve this post

[mint elm]

not too helpful lol

[mild mist]

yeah we need more context

[fierce cloak]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1948428313715683594

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

IMPORTANT - Just got finished a full vc with a k fan who was there

One of the reasons why HYBE is mediaplaying so hard is cause the police written statement on MHJs clearing stated that her actions and messages (ktalk) were seen as actual legitimate concerns for the industry

X · Jul 24, 2025, 5:01 PM

[hollow shore]

Isn't it also possible this could get resolved at the August mediation?

[fierce cloak]

no, likely ador wont change, and njz will refuse to return. Their condition is reinstate mhj and old staff

[sage venture]

i can’t open that link either, but i know what that is
in police's report about non-prosecution decision on MHJ's embezzlement case, unlike HYBE’s audit report, there’s suspicion that the kkt messages were manipulated or pieced together
remember that's police report

which means HYBE had already fixed the outcome even before the actual audit

[naive raft]

Is this true???

[sage venture]

unfortunately yes

[naive raft]

I didn’t want it to be true

[hoary frost]

[empty halo]

Tim Bernies 😭

[paper quartz]

When’s the next hearing? How’s it looking for njz so far? (i just read the antidepressant statement it really made my heart drop)

[heady gate]

A mediation session will be held on August 14 to attempt a settlement. If mediation fails, a final verdict will be delivered on October 30.

[native anchor]

they did however say that they would return under old ador

their agents stated that in court

[hollow sorrel]

@mighty olive @native anchor @mild mist it was basically the prosecutor's statement about HYBE and MHJ they basically said that MHJ did her job as an executive and HYBE randomly started messing with her for no reason and the kakaotalks don't really confirm anything

[upbeat stream]

Do we have a source?

[lapis tendon]

Some of the reactions on Twitter to this annoying asf. But that was expected

[upbeat stream]

The good thing is there's been nothing but love and support on korean twitter. Not just today but for the last few months

[hollow sorrel]

Team Bunnies unfortunately deleted the post but I will try and look for it

[lapis tendon]

How come they deleted

[fluid ravine]

Report on September 12
ADOR: We reviewed the CCTV footage and found no issues
Report on October 7
ADOR: The CCTV footage has been deleted and can no longer be verified
Today’s hearing
ADOR: The CCTV wasn’t deleted deliberately; it was automatically erased after 30 days

how do they still have the courage to do this

[hollow sorrel]

not sure could have been fake info idk

but the prosecutors should write some kind of statement about the issue so it should be out there

[sage venture]

it wasn’t fake some fan actually attended the hearing took notes, and posted them on twitter But other guy threatened that saying it was illegal (even though it’s not) so it was deleted

i'm sure it'll show up soon again probably without some confidential info (like file number from police report)

[hollow sorrel]

so the prosecutors' statement was shown during the hearing by sejong? damn that statement alone dismissed like 3-4 of ADOR's arguments

I wish I took screenshots

[sage venture]

AFAIK it was the police’s written decision explaining why they didn’t forward the case to the prosecution I'm waiting too

[waxen musk]

I made a mistake.

I read comments.

Now I'm angry.

I have zero faith that people can ever change their mind about Hanni in particular. I keep forgetting how deeply twisted their understanding of events is.

I honestly would forgo NJZ ever coming back if it meant that people knew the truth about her.

When I feel like nothing can be done to those people, it feels like I've given up on things ever getting better. But I need to follow my own advice from earlier and remember these people will move on and stop caring.

This situation should be criminal.

People are getting stuck on the girls' statement with how they're comparing their feelings with other examples of abuse. I'm trying to understand how people are focusing on what they believe to be very poor wording, something which alone loses their respect and makes them call the girls delusional. Sure, maybe I can understand how comparisons to "worse" types of abuses can be seen as distasteful, but for it to completely blind these people from seeing how they are literally suffering, is insane.

[feral tapir]

people only believe what they want to, even if they're wrong

[waxen musk]

I get emotional thinking about the girls' condition and I get emotional about an amazing future for them. I need a break lol.

[toxic trail]

Yeah. And sure, worst things have happened in the industry, and the girls or us tokkis aren't downplaying that. But this is still emotional abuse, and it shouldn't be happening at all.

[feral tapir]

i think we can't compare this to other things that happened in the kpop industry cus at the end of the day they are still suffering from it and that's not normal

[lapis tendon]

Yup

[fleet mango]

im rioting adors front doors

[toxic trail]

I hate HYBE.

[warm hollow]

oh me too

[toxic trail]

Like I love the groups but the company itself..

[warm hollow]

makes me feel like there are no good companies that actually take CARE of their money makers

[fleet mango]

Sadly they make all the good groups and know how to market

[toxic trail]

I would say jyp, but jyp korea and not jyp America (I might be wrong srry)

[warm hollow]

it’s infuriating how they all have the mvs when i watch them i js be like damn should we start downloading them

[feral tapir]

i've heard quite a few things about jyp being an ass

[warm hollow]

feels like jyp don’t.. if we take example on Vcha and twice’s overworking and release of so many albums in short periods..

[feral tapir]

tho ngl he's lowkey funny

[still badge]

Who's jyp

[warm hollow]

yeah exactly

[toxic trail]

Vcha is jyp America, and twice im not sure

[feral tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/jyp-groove-grooveback-back-dance-gif-27068986

swEEt drEamS arE mAde oF EaSeeE

[toxic trail]

Why TF can't I send images 😭

[naive raft]

-level

[tall dew]

You are required to reach level 3 to be able to get your post images, attach files and external emoji/sticker permissions. You can check your level by typing -rank in #bots.
Boosting the server can also bypass this level requirement.

[warm hollow]

oh i didn’t know there was a jyp america, i don’t get how they would even make it happen when they’re not even doing anything for that group man

[warm hollow]

traumatic 😭😭

[toxic trail]

They made it just for vcha I think... And they did have auditions open so they expected to expand

[feral tapir]

is vcha still alive? i havent heard of them since that group name reveal🪦

[still badge]

Ohh okok wait I have seen this person b4 like once when someone in my friend server posted this

[feral tapir]

LMAO

[still badge]

Is it accurate guys

[warm hollow]

i keep seeing one of the members of the group posting reels

[feral tapir]

it is

[still badge]

😭

[warm hollow]

but their group i have no idea

[feral tapir]

that's kinda sad ngl

they were forgotten pretty fast, or maybe it's just me not being aware

[toxic trail]

One thing abt jyp is that the marketing sucks.... Like twice deserves the game imo, not Blackpink but I feel like jyp always put them in the wrong direction or didn't market well

[toxic trail]

I only knew them since the legal drama.

[warm hollow]

nah they were, since they stopped releasing music idk if they are on a hiatus or smth

[feral tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/karina-drama-aespa-aespa-kpop-qarji-gif-3692889069751921408

[warm hollow]

they have one? damn

[feral tapir]

damn i havent ever even heard a single song of them

[toxic trail]

Uh-wrong drama... but speaking of aespa why does SM always have so much subunits 😭

[warm hollow]

that’s how u know their promoting system is fucked

[feral tapir]

idk but aespa is my second ult after newjeans

[toxic trail]

Stray kids and newjeans number 1 for me

[still badge]

https://tenor.com/view/karina-karina-stop-aespa-karina-karina-gwenchana-karina-genchana-gif-124244366723608113

[warm hollow]

it’s sad tbh, they were promised a long beautiful career and they worked hard for it, only to be forgotten after like 2-3 releases. See? i don’t even know how many singles or songs or even album they released, cuz it didn’t get promoted at all

[feral tapir]

yeah that's sad, and it's also sad that this is probably not the only group in this situation

[feral tapir]

she's so pretty 😔😔

[warm hollow]

and it might probably be even harder for any groups to speak up about any mistreatment because of the hate newjeans are currently receiving

also what do we think of njz? do y’all have any predictions on the results?

[feral tapir]

also the fact newjeans is much bigger, like yk smaller groups probably can't speak up at all or even if they do there are like barely anyone to hear them out

[warm hollow]

true, that. It’s really sad tbh

[feral tapir]

i dont wanna think about it

[fallow forge]

Idk what to think honestly

[feral tapir]

i just hope they get better 🥀

[fleet mango]

Same for me

[fallow forge]

Real

[warm hollow]

me too, especially for hyein and hanni (mostly hanni cuz she is seen as an "evil" person)

[feral tapir]

wait im wondering tho, what about their dorm? are they still there or did they go back to their parents? bc it was basically from ador

[fleet mango]

Hopefully they either get adors old team back or get their contracts terminated

[fallow forge]

They moved out I’m pretty sure but idk abt where they are now

[warm hollow]

yeahhh

it makes sense

[fleet mango]

Its gen sad how these peopke will hate when its newjeans, but if it were to happen to any of their favs theyd act the same

[feral tapir]

i think people tend to forget about haerin on these subjects bc she doesn't show her emotions but i think she's also affected pretty bad by it

[fleet mango]

i think the same aswell

[warm hollow]

yep, everyone is for sure, but yes haerin gets often seen as someone who’s emotionless like ydk her personally wym

[feral tapir]

yeah and her personality is pretty similar to mine so i lowkey get her

[warm hollow]

people are just so quick to assume about people they never even once met in their entire lives

[feral tapir]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN

[fallow forge]

Yeah same even though she doesn’t change the expression on her face it’s still kinda easy to tell that she’s still hurt by all of this or got affected by it

[warm hollow]

really got me thinking if they even have a brain inside their heads

[mild mist]

that's not 9muses

[feral tapir]

they don't have basic human decency

[warm hollow]

people with sense would know that it’s affecting everyone

[warm hollow]

not even empathy bro, if it doesn’t happen to them, they wouldn’t gaf

[feral tapir]

yup people who hide their emotions tend to be the most emotional so🧍

[fleet mango]

Narcissists, they dont care unless they bring them entertainment

[fallow forge]

Right I don’t like when people say only one member got affected or say a certain member is the main member that got hurt

[warm hollow]

that’s actually crazy to me how that is seen as some entertainment for some people

[feral tapir]

dont get me started on narcissistic people 😩😩

[feral tapir]

i think some are just mentally ill ngl

[warm hollow]

they are, normal people wouldn’t act like this

[feral tapir]

literally

[warm hollow]

i wish the best for them, i still have that goal of mine seeing them perform in person

imagine hearing all of their bops live man, could make any person cry

[feral tapir]

me too man

i saved money for their supposed 2025 world tour and it's been spent since🪦

[warm hollow]

NOOOO DON’TTT it will happen 🙏🏼

we should not be pessimistic about it, that tour will happen trust

[feral tapir]

im saving again tho i just bought an ipad with the world tour money 😭

[mental lynx]

it will happen, just not in 2025 😒

[warm hollow]

i was like this too with ariana and look, she might go on tour next year and i don’t even have enough for a ticket on my bank account LMAOOO

[feral tapir]

BYE I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TOO LIKE IN 2018

[warm hollow]

certainly not yep

[feral tapir]

or was it not 2018 i don't remember

[warm hollow]

I WAS TOO YOUNG TO KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A FAN, IF I KNEW ID BE GOING TO HER SWT WORLD TOUR MAN

[feral tapir]

LMAO

[warm hollow]

i think 2019 too, cuz 2020 was covid year

[feral tapir]

man i was a fan since like 2013 or smth then it got really boring at some point

[warm hollow]

little did i know, her character was my favourite on victorious so i was indeed a baby fan

[feral tapir]

SAME LMAO

wait we're off topic we should switch to general chat

youtube playing with my feelings rn

[austere widget]

whats happening with njz and the legal battles cuz im so lost rn

[toxic trail]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SbNpIdXbxXE&si=MOHUYn9SoqHwhY8o

[austere widget]

thank you!

[cerulean lake]

need that one really accurate tarot prediction acc to make another reading

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-20581738

[warm hollow]

when u do pls tell us what the cards say

[waxen musk]

I was legit not prepared for the coldest dismissal of suffering for five young people that I've ever seen. It's actually really bothering me too much.

[clear hill]

Real 🥀

[cerulean lake]

regarding the injunction or just the overall losers online for the recent hearing?

[cerulean lake]

i’m going back to my twt cleanse but i’ll be looking forward to updates here so if someone links it ill be intrigued

[waxen musk]

From the comments I’ve seen after yesterday’s talk about suffering to the point of needing medication. I thought that was obvious.

[cerulean lake]

oh yeah. but i’m not surprised. kpop stans are cruel and the same ppl who preach for idols’ mental health and then attack someone once they actually experience it 🫩 can’t really expect much from such people.

idk how it’s looking on the kside rn but i hate how hybe’s mediaplay has been so strong there so now it’s like international and domestic vitriol coming at them.

[warm hollow]

the ones commenting shit like "_____ next sulli" like wtf

on tiktok

[warm hollow]

alrr

[cerulean lake]

that’s why i’ve been away from kpop in general for the past months. such a messed up industry and community. of
course not everyone is like that but there’s still a scarily overwhelming number of individuals who need a checkup 😬

[paper quartz]

Has there been any updates on the members? the antidepressant comment really made me concerned for them

[bronze talon]

we dont have any updates except from todays hearing
we all hope theyre alright

[paper quartz]

and its always “idols should speak out” until its newjeans and theyre actually fighting for freedom

[tawdry vessel]

they're not real, they're bots and paid by tag pr

girls are still loved by millions

real ones

[old ingot]

Do we know when we get the uh case closed hammer slam who won? And if so when~¿

[waxen musk]

Unfortunately I'm seeing whatever the bots are saying being repeated by actual humans, that I can guarantee.

[waxen musk]

A mediation session will be held on August 14 to attempt a settlement. If mediation fails, a final verdict will be delivered on October 30.

[old ingot]

Wait but wasnt final verdict today?

[compact creek]

armys on twitter happy they r taking antidespressants

[waxen musk]

@copper jetty You were asking how they would respond to the questions from the second hearing. Well now you got your answers, they explicitely answered "no" for each question: https://x.com/juantokki/status/1948539538688934252

1tokki (@juantokki)

Court’s Inquiry and ADOR’s Response:

The court pointed out that it needed clarification on whether former CEO Min Hee-jin had consulted with or explained to the defendants (NewJeans members) about the potential impact on their activities either before or around the time of her

X · Jul 25, 2025, 12:23 AM

[waxen musk]

What made you think that? I'll paste the same thing again: A mediation session will be held on August 14 to attempt a settlement. If mediation fails, a final verdict will be delivered on October 30.

[waxen musk]

At least now we know this whole part of the hearing was not ignored. Shame how it wasn't reported on until now. I think this is extremely damning against Ador.

[old ingot]

Thats what I got off of the small amount of social media I watch, that the girls were in court today, came out happy and had their final verdict

[waxen musk]

The girls were not in court today, therefore could not come out happy. They presented a statement their lawyers read out which included messages that stated how much they are suffering including taking medication to help with depression.

It scares me how much misunderstanding about even the basic events of what happened yesterday were.

[bronze talon]

I wonder where you get such info from

Or like who are these people and either where do they get that info from to post it or who is making this up

There would be mass posts of videos of it

[old ingot]

Oh damn 😭 poor girls man

[old ingot]

I saw like 4 videos, 2 on insta and 2 on tt and then I also saw a 5th but the 5th was a girl talking about how each side will use the MHJ getting lawsuit turning not guilty

[waxen musk]

Maybe you were watching old videos from March. I don't know. Hopefully we helped you understand what's going on a bit better.

[waxen musk]

I'll highlight this again since it's new. I think this is extremely damning against Ador.

[old ingot]

Mhmn defindly did I unfortuently dont have the time or law knowladge or just general information pick-up skills to find all of it and whats true and not.
Its such a big case and its like 40% saying one thing, 40% saying anotjer and tjen 10% who just troll and throw out bs

[waxen musk]

Exactly. Please ask again if you're unsure on anything.

[old ingot]

Mhmn tyty thats why I do my occational drop-bys, but also I agree atleast from how JuanTokkis tweet is worded its very Newjeans favored and backs up the claim that Ador would've just 'thrown them on the street' as text messages in 'Melon-app'? Said

[waxen musk]

It’s exhausting trying to nicely explain every little thing but whatever text messages you’re talking about you are completely misunderstanding.

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/njzwinsallcases/status/1948534405678432716?s=46

👖 (@NJZWinsAllCases)

하이브는 단체로 정신병 걸린 듯 방시혁한테 육즙 라이팅 당했나 하마스마냥 구라를 그냥📍HYBE seems collectively mentally ill. Did they get ‘meat-juicing’ (a parody of gaslighting, referencing Bang Si-hyuk’s weight) from him or something? They’re just lying like *amas.

X · Jul 25, 2025, 12:02 AM

People seem extremely confident about a win because of this part of the hearing alone.

[short laurel]

This pretty much gives huge weight to njz side right?

[cinder narwhal]

really? was it even brought up in yesterday's hearing? i think it's just outside party bringing it up

if the judge doesn't care then it doesn't matter

[waxen musk]

It wasn't reported anywhere and we have to rely on K-Bunnies who attended the hearing. The questions were answered unanimously with "no" as mentioned here: https://discordapp.com/channels/948917131989381173/1231839760759263232/1398100461999100025

[cinder narwhal]

ador could have also already responded to that by submitting documents

[cinder narwhal]

ok i see thanks. but this still stands

[short laurel]

It's still important points to consider. Judge shouldn't ignore it.

[waxen musk]

Yesterday I was convinced that enough was done by NJZ's lawyers and today I'm only having that be reinforced. Let me live in this delusion, if it can be considered one.

[bronze talon]

It's not rly a delusion
It really just seems like a solid attendance with good arguments and points what njzs side presented
When something got asked and ador failed to answer or even persists to say information even tho the court told them not to then it's a clear sign who should have the upper hand in this one

[clear hill]

I mean the lawyers really hit the nail this time. Atp the ball is in the judges court. At least we can sleep better at night knowing everything we wanted the lawyers to bring up in court has been brought up. If the judge still fails to see the severity of the situation on newjeans’ end and ador somehow wins then a corrupt judge is a corrupt judge at the end of the day. This is SK were talking about.

[toxic trail]

Can someone catch me up real quick?

[old cypress]

There's no point in trying to guess the odds of njz winning or losing unless you want to sound like a redditor. The trial is not evidence based, the outcome depends on how the judge interprets the situation and the legal framework around it so it can be anything really. People should just stay optimistic and wait for the final judgement

[short laurel]

Guys since ador said no to question if they planned about effects on newjeans be4 removing mhj. N if njz wins
Doesn't it legally shows hybe ador not care about newjeans n does this give girls chance to win the name from ador if they sue them fir it?

[old cypress]

gotta ask a lawyer specialised in IP

[short laurel]

I think of this legally established that hybe ador not cared about newjeans, this should help girls in winning name .

[waxen musk]

I won't lie, me misunderstanding this whole procedure lead me to hope for things where evidence is properly examined like in a criminal case, where the truth is legally determined instead of subjectively interpreted. I only care because the distortion of truth is one of the most damaging aspects affecting the girls' health.

[old cypress]

ask 100 people to define breakdown of trust and you'll get 100 different answers

[waxen musk]

When we win, people will not automatically accept the judgement to be the "truth".

There's will be no hard evidence of any aspect brought up throughtout. That's really unfortunate.

[short laurel]

I think ador saying no to things court asked doesn't need any proof. Girls side has recording of ador deputy ceo admitting to it n ador saying no admitted to it. Nothing else needed on it.

[waxen musk]

Well I hope people are right about that stuff. Making the same mistake of relying on analysis instead of waiting. But I can't JUST wait and see.

[short laurel]

Is it analysis? I thought ktokkies just said whatever was said in court

[waxen musk]

I mean things like understanding what happened and coming to a conclusion that it means a definite win. Stuff like that.

[old cypress]

because it's the judge's interpretation of the law. There's no such thing as an universal truth here

[waxen musk]

Exactly. Happened after the injunction. People accept or deny whatever helps their own case.

[short laurel]

I truely think ador admitting to not considered effects on newjeans when they removed mhj n the recording on deputy ceo saying she don't know what to do, strongly weight case on njz side.

[old cypress]

it does but it depends on what breakdown of trust actually means according to the judge

the injunction judge only focused on the business aspects

[short laurel]

It is break down of trust if ador removes core staff of the group without planning anything.
I don't think this was even discussed in injunction

[old cypress]

in injunction the judge looked at ador as an entity and didn't look at the people inside it. And judge saw that ador did its duty towards newjeans so there was no breakdown of trust between ador and newjeans prior to their termination

he didn't consider that the new management is hostile towards newjeans

[short laurel]

Well again what we are discussing wasn't discussed in injunction. N girls side did strongly argue in main case that ador be4 mhj n after mhj are different.

[waxen musk]

I assume this ends up going toward the final judgement in October. I wonder how much more will be done back and forth behind the scenes for the next three months. (Obviously assuming the mediation will fail.) https://x.com/catzkang/status/1948558030620221903

🫧 (@catzkang)

2025.07.25 NJZ Team submit documents or materials to support oral arguments

X · Jul 25, 2025, 1:36 AM

[old cypress]

yeah it's obviously different here, just pointing out that the trial is a matter of interpretation and that there's no "hard evidence"

[waxen musk]

I read that really good analysis of the injunction ruling and I've already forgotten most of what I read. But not all of it can be seen as simple interpretation, some of it was actually extremely questionable.

[short laurel]

Deputy ceo saying they don't know what to do but ador saying since last year they have planned cb n tour for newjeans.

[waxen musk]

Anyway it's really hard to discuss anything when the judge can see things in ways that seem so foreign to us. Who knows.

[old cypress]

if you murder someone, you can get the weapon and DNA as hard evidence and the law is very clear about it. Here the applicable law is subject to interpretation

[waxen musk]

Exactly.

[old cypress]

This is me assuming but I'm sure njz members are also wait&see-ing

[waxen musk]

Can't assume what they're thinking. But they're not going to show weakness publicly in their hopes for a win.

[old cypress]

whether you stay positive or negative won't change the outcome, but it can make your life considerably better in the meantime

[waxen musk]

Just the fact they always specifically say they want to reenter the entertainment industry is enough. I could speculate all sorts of things about if that's actually true or not, they can always change their mind and change their life plan. But they'll never say that publicly. (I'm just being silly speaking hypotheticals when literally I could say any possible event is possible. The moon could crash into the Earth tomorrow.)

[old cypress]

it's fascinating how some people think they can be a jinx if they say good things about the trial. As if they could influence the outcome of a trial with their thoughts

[waxen musk]

btw does anyone know if a judge deciding on if a next hearing is needed or not is decided then and there at the end of each hearing? aka, I'm asking if the judge is basically decided yeah I don't need any more, I've already made a decision (but then leave the process legally open to finalise everything)

Too many technical legal questions I have. I'm clueless.

Anyway seems a lot of confindent Tweets going on this morning. Gonna sleep now hopefully things are even better when I wake up and go touch grass later.

[waxen musk]

She’d knew I’d be going to sleep now. Hoping for good dreams.

[cerulean lake]

idk i kinda find it unfortunate that this case is so up to the judge’s interpretation. i guess i was already disappointed with the last judge’s interpretation (for the injunction) that because the girls were paid, ador technically didn’t mistreat them.

i guess we just have to wait it out and hope that the judge has some sort of emotional intelligence

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1948594220379635779

1tokki (@juantokki)

[English Translation]

The exact same things that HYBE employees went through are now happening to NewJeans, who are just artists under them.
If you know anyone who used to work at HYBE, ask them. This company twists even perfectly fine people and forces them out.
(And the person

X · Jul 25, 2025, 4:00 AM

[thorny knot]

anyone know if the rumor about the girls taking anti-depressants cause of the situation is true?

[naive raft]

It is

I’m pretty sure

[opaque flicker]

https://x.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1948332356177150447?s=19

About Music (@AboutMusicYT)

NewJeans side at their court hearing today:

"The members want to continue their entertainment careers but not under ADOR. Just being near the ADOR building makes their hearts race, and some members even had to take antidepressants."

X · Jul 24, 2025, 10:40 AM

[thorny knot]

Ty

[hollow sorrel]

I think the judge already has a bias towards one side (possibly NJZ, because of the judge’s background in cases like this + ADOR’s lack of evidence to even answer the judge’s questions)

but there will still be a lot of documents submitted in the next weeks + the clarification order will also help the judge understand the situation more

A lot of people are unfortunately reading manipulated articles and there are a lot of weird pro-HYBE articles from yesterday that say stuff like “the judge recognizes the Kakatoalks” or something like that, however none of this was ever confirmed?

I think in most of these articles ADOR is talking about the injunction judges, saying that the injunction legally outweighs stuff like the police investigation however during Sejong’s presentation they actually shut those claims down

“ADOR relies heavily on the injunction decision, which is a quick, preliminary ruling made without a thorough examination of evidence. In contrast, the police’s decision not to indict Min Hee-jin came after a long and detailed investigation. It’s inaccurate to treat the injunction as more valid or weighty.”

[snow furnace]

I've prayed for the girls today

[tidal crystal]

Wait so I have been seeing that NJZ is open to returning to ador as long as they go back to how it was and I also been seeing that NJZ no matter what doesn’t want to return, which one is the truth?

[hollow sorrel]

They are saying that they wouldn’t return UNLESS the company is set up like the way it was before the 2024 audit

On August 14th the 2 sides might try to come to come to a settlement and they can try to renegotiate their contract and stuff like that

however ADOR and NJZ will have to agree, and that’s why chances of a settlement are kinda low imo

[clear hill]

Did the current ceo of ador day this? I’m quite confused

[cinder narwhal]

i understand it's coming from an ex hybe employee

[red thorn]

Might must to elaborate everytime settlement said bc it's broad, doesn't mean to settle agreement between the two parties, even no agreement between two parties, it could be enforced by court verdict too and of what kind settlement

[clear hill]

Ohhh. I mean we already know this but this really confirms it.

[copper jetty]

I don't know if I'm gonna laugh or cry at this. This is basically the crux of the problem... they removed mhj and thought maybe they can deal with the consequences and that the girls won't say anything. If the girls didn't say anything, they'll just get sidelined like that one gg who left pledis.

[mild mist]

So badly shelved that you can't even remember their name

The whole 'we could return to ADOR, if you completely restructured the organisation' only works if the Hybe board decides to sacrifice bang sihyuk and get someone else who realises that newjeans makes $$$
It's not going to happen, but it's another petty snipe

[orchid field]

are we still dooming or what

[sage venture]

not at all quick result is good for the girls

[copper jetty]

Oh I remember their name. I just didn't mention it cause there's no point and I also don't want their name to be forever associated with what they went through cause that's not on them. That's on the company

[copper jetty]

I think most of us here are on the wait and see. Possibly doomposting cause it's still up to interpretation of the judge but overall happy that their arguments were overall good.

[sage venture]

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1948647144971534728
it's finally uploaded again

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM)

재판 내용 中

“이 모든 분쟁의 발단은 2024년 4월에 있었던 하이브의 감사였습니다. 그런데 그 당시 하이브는 민희진을 감사하면서 내세웠던 것이 ‘경영권을 찬탈하려고 했다’라고 이야기를 했었습니다. 그러면서 그 과정에서 계속 ‘뉴진스를 빼가기’라는, ...

X · Jul 25, 2025, 7:30 AM

there’s a part where the police confirmed that the kkt messages were distorted in a way that misrepresented their original intent

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1948650805219000544?t=DFr9eAt35YzDhtRs2zLNYw&s=19 -c

1tokki (@juantokki)

[Court Statement Excerpt – English Translation]

“The root of this entire dispute was HYBE’s audit conducted in April 2024. At the time, HYBE claimed that the audit was based on suspicions that Min Hee-jin was attempting to seize management control. Throughout that process, they

X · Jul 25, 2025, 7:45 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1948650805219000544 does not contain any media!

[copper jetty]

Juan tokki did an english translation

[mild mist]

"What we take greater issue with isn’t the act of ignoring her per se, but rather the cover-up that followed"
[Bangs desk repeatedly] YES!

Someone needs to write a song from these kakaotalk messages

[hollow sorrel]

it says "Court Statement Excerpt" so this is from yesterday's hearing???

[copper jetty]

Yes

I think this was sejong's arguments from yesterday's hearing.

[mild mist]

Certainly reads like that

[cinder narwhal]

tldr?

anything new in that?

[sage venture]

everyone kind of knew kim joo-young doesn’t get NJ’s music, but man… that was brutal

[copper jetty]

And from this we see ldk saying she doesn't have plans for them (now wether newjeans provided an audio we don't really know) but its also pretty clear from the things the girls asked clarified, those 3 questions, Ador didn't have any plans either. I think Ador not answering those is pretty damning.

[warm hollow]

i agree, like those toxic fanbases

[copper jetty]

Not really this basically sums up what we've been reading before from kbunnies

[warm hollow]

they’re hating cuz they’re still trending even when they’re doing nothing

[sage venture]

new thing is, police confirmed the kkt messages were distorted and misrepresented their original intent which basically blows up ADOR/HYBE’s whole claim in one shot

[hollow sorrel]

so they basically won? I mean sure it's too early to call it but let's be real here what did ADOR even present at any of the main trial hearings?

the only thing they had going for themselves in this lawsuit (that we know of) are:

• Hitchhiker + "Grammy winning producers"
• KMCA + other agencies statement that if NJZ wins Kpop will be damaged
• MHJ kakaotalk messages
• and they referred to the injunction rulings like it somehow outweighs the main trial's legality

[cinder narwhal]

ty

[sage venture]

looks good but most civil cases don’t end in a clear win or loss anyway also judge’s reasoning matters So I'll be just waiting with a positive mindset

[warm hollow]

wait is this true

[analog depot]

Doss anyone have a summary on how the hearing went? I’m on a ferry to France and signals not awesome rn

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1948647144971534728

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM)

재판 내용 中

“이 모든 분쟁의 발단은 2024년 4월에 있었던 하이브의 감사였습니다. 그런데 그 당시 하이브는 민희진을 감사하면서 내세웠던 것이 ‘경영권을 찬탈하려고 했다’라고 이야기를 했었습니다. 그러면서 그 과정에서 계속 ‘뉴진스를 빼가기’라는, ...

X · Jul 25, 2025, 7:30 AM

[feral tapir]

i heard something positive happened? what is it pls i was sleeping

[upbeat stream]

This is the best summary, just translate and read

[feral tapir]

come meet me

[feral tapir]

holy it's mad long

[warm hollow]

me too 🙂‍↕️

[warm hollow]

apparently they raided hybe yesterday lmao

or today idk

[mild mist]

The 'raid' started yesterday

[feral tapir]

ok i read all that

am i stupid or are siding with njz now?

[fallow forge]

Who raided hybe?

[cinder narwhal]

me

[tawdry vessel]

police

[feral tapir]

yeah police

[tawdry vessel]

bangpd is going to get arrested soon

[warm hollow]

idk help what did it say

[feral tapir]

that's good but how long tho cus rich ppl never stay in jail for too long

[feral tapir]

ERM YOURE ASKING THE WRONG PERSON LMAO im ass at explaining

[warm hollow]

sobbing

[feral tapir]

like they basically said hanni did not lie and that it was not just about people not greeting them

[warm hollow]

ohhh okayyy

[feral tapir]

if i didn't read wrong‼️

and that when they fired mhj they had no plan for newjeans

basically they got poucave ong

[warm hollow]

LMAOO

THAT’S GOOD NEWS?

[feral tapir]

well if i understood correctly yes??

[cerulean lake]

well that’s what we hope for. i can’t celebrate until he’s actually convicted and in jail because it seems like he doesn’t care atp

[feral tapir]

if he doesnt care that means jail is nothing to him lowkey

as he can avoid it easily or something or get a lighter sentence

[mild mist]

Depends how badly the polis want to nail him
And how much dirt others will spill for a plea bargain

[feral tapir]

well they better lock him up for a long long time

cus i aint doing this again

[short laurel]

Somu creepy creative director , belift employee n bighit employee are going to be jailed atleast.

That somu guy getting punished is nice to c. He's too creepy

[snow furnace]

[cerulean lake]

yeah hate how bsh acts so smug bc he knows he has some sort of shady backing

[feral tapir]

yeah

[red thorn]

People on njdrama subreddit credited that to hybe taskforce, hybe cleansing

[short laurel]

Hybe rats were the the ones who were supporting him all this time. Just wait once bsh goes to jail, they'll praise themselves again.

[cerulean lake]

i mean it’s not unexpected. anything that’s good is because hybe did it and anything that’s bad is because of mhj and nwjns based on their logic.

a bunch of sheep minds in an echo chamber but it is what it is. those people are already too late to change once they start participating in a snark sub.

[analog depot]

Hell yeah

[weak relic]

Guys may i ask what's the cctv issue with hanni? And i heard ador gave fake evidence
Im confused now

[mild mist]

The CCTV from the 'ignore her' incident was deleted before it could be properly reviewed as part of the investigation process
Hybe said that the footage was accidentally deleted by a dumb employee, who was let go
Yesterday, ADOR said that actually it was deleted due to a retention policy

ADOR used a different piece of footage during the injunction to show that the audio and video recordings would have been insufficient to prove or disprove what had happened in the incident

[feral tapir]

what's crazy is that hybe is deliberately lying to the public yet people are still believing these cctv footage stuff and allat

[mild mist]

John Reddit said that this other piece of footage was definitive proof that hanni is satan

[feral tapir]

then let her be satan idk atp satan is better than these haters

[mild mist]

Satan is at least capable of banging the rocks together

[feral tapir]

exactly

[weak relic]

So hanni is ignored right?
And why ppl mad at hanni before

[feral tapir]

people are mad at hanni because she's a "liar" and because she "smiled"

i think it's crazy to be like that against someone when everyone does that on a daily basis

and she didn't even lie

[mild mist]

To quote a translation from earlier:
"What we take greater issue with isn’t the act of ignoring her per se, but rather the cover-up that followed"

And if Hybe can't even get their story straight it strengthens newjeans' / njz's arguments

[weak relic]

I c

[mild mist]

The 'fake evidence' thing probably refers to those kakaotalk messages which ADOR keep presenting. During the police investigation into min heejin, these were dismissed as not suitable for evidence

Yet they cling to them (because they don't have much else)
Apparently the judge even said during the hearing, words to the effect of "put those away, you're embarrassing yourselves"

I say 'apparently' because the only source I saw was a twitter post

[weak relic]

[old cypress]

“Page 94 describes the absurd situation in which the executives didn’t even know which songs the members were performing. These are people claiming they want to protect and manage NewJeans, yet they didn’t even know what songs were performed, or whose songs they were. Can we entrust NewJeans’ management to such people?”

lol

[clear hill]

Made the horrible mistake of looking through the comments of a newjeans update video. Im so shocked at the apathy people have. Someone said “who cares that they have to take medications a lot of people take them” and another said “they asked for this”. Even when the members themselves plead and speak about their suffering they still want to invalidate it.

[old cypress]

surprised there isn't any "my oppa took 3x more medication and he didn't complain"

[clear hill]

Someone also said “they signed up for this mistreatment is common in kpop” like what??? Why are we acting like this is okay just because it’s rampant???

[short laurel]

The type of ppl only in it for content n not really fans of artists.

[clear hill]

Yea ik. Still jarring to see

[tawdry vessel]

why are we too focused on those bots/haters

[short laurel]

I bet there are some if u look deep enough. Jk n taeyong(was that the name of the one who worked with mhj) there are solo stans of these 2 who complain how toxic n stupid army are being everywhere.

[short laurel]

I even blocked tokkies who retweet hate comments so i not c any 😀

[tawdry vessel]

[cinder narwhal]

what

[hoary frost]

I'm shocked at how disgusting people can be and make fun of the antidepressants situation, that's just crazy

[feral tapir]

but isn't fake evidence a violation or smth

[feral tapir]

and knowing antidepressants can make the person feel worse is tickling my brain in a bad way

[clear hill]

I’m not focused on haters.. I’m just shocked at the apathy

[feral tapir]

i hate them but i see them as people who never see the sun and never touch grass and are chronically online so either way they're ass bc why do you waste your time spreading hate on someone that doesnt even know you

[weak relic]

May i ask why some ppl say yesterday's hearing is a win for njz?
Is it true?

[feral tapir]

wait

[feral tapir]

check this, it says everything

[clear hill]

I don’t wanna assume but I live in America so mental health is not taboo and easily discussed but I feel like in SK and east Asia it’s more disregarded. I take antidepressants and deal w a variety of mental disorders. it’s very common to come across another individual who takes meds or go to therapy here as well. But I feel like for the average individual in SK or anyone living in an East Asian society it would have to get bad for therapy and psychiatric help to even be considered.

[feral tapir]

i guess it's pretty different yeah

i used to be on antidepressants too and it didn't go well so idk how to feel about this

[paper quartz]

newjeans doesnt have that many songs too like what

[clear hill]

It just makes you understand the severity of their plea. This will only worsen tenfold if they go back to ador and thinking about that makes me very scared for their wellbeing.

[feral tapir]

yeah

as they said it's like if you're being bullied at school and we force you to go back to school

it's the same situation

[winter pecan]

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1948558030620221903?t=q5p6JDPiqJaiODqG3ahHBQ&s=19

🫧 (@catzkang)

2025.07.25 NJZ Team submit documents or materials to support oral arguments

X · Jul 25, 2025, 1:36 AM

[old cypress]

I need the transcript of LDK's audio recording lol

[vale grove]

Don’t even know if I would want to support them if they came back to ador, the exploitation is insane. They are on antidepressants because their mental health is so poor from the constant bullying from all sides….this is so upsetting.

I’ve dealt with depression unmedicated for some time now, I can’t imagine the way they must’ve felt for it to get that way, the psyche is such a fragile thing, I hope this won’t cause them irreparable damage.

[copper jetty]

I don't know how to tell you this but they're not going back to Ador.

Hybe is never going to re-hire MHJ, I also doubt MHJ is going back (remember when she was offered to go back) she didn't accept. So i doubt the girls will go back.

I also have unmedicated depression and anxiety and the fact that I read that the idols who helped me during my worst times are traumatized and medicating too it honestly triggered me yesterday.

[vale grove]

I really hope the case goes in their favor, if they lose isn’t it either go back to ador or pay the penalty fee? From what I’ve heard it’s a hefty fee although I haven’t been keeping up with the case recently cause with my bad mental health it isn’t good to keep myself update with the case too much

[vale grove]

Oh god, same.. I don’t even know what I’m feeling right now

[copper jetty]

I don't want them to go back. I don't even want them to interact with any of those fandoms or other artists. Honestly I want them out there.

[vale grove]

Yeah. It’s a lot.

[polar owl]

I don't want them to go near the Hybe building

[copper jetty]

Nope. They'll never go back even if they lose.

If they lost the judge will just say, well the contract is valid but since trust is lost NJZ will have to just pay a fine. And that's it.

No one can force them to go back since that contradicts NJZ's right or any other person's right actually.

[polar owl]

Aren't there any companies who are ready to absorb the fine, get MHJ & MHDHH on board and again rule the charts? Oh, I forgot, all the big 4 work as a cartel.

[short laurel]

Those who might be interested can't pay the fines

[old cypress]

Even if mhj and njz go back to ador hybe still owns 80% and ador won't be truly independent

Unless hybe somehow sells 31% to mhj

[upbeat stream]

Kakao would've been interested normally but they are going through tough times

[old cypress]

Depends on whether the fine is 1m or 100m

[polar owl]

If the judges are humane, they will not be piling up a huge debt on a bunch of teenagers

[old cypress]

Yeah but for now we don't know how much the fine is

[copper jetty]

I think we're already at that point of no return... even if somehow Hybe returns Ador back I don't think NJZ or MHJ will go back since what happened (audit, media play, basically everything) can happen again.

[upbeat stream]

That will not be determined in this trial. Ador will have to terminate and sue separately for damages

[polar owl]

Will they take culpability if something untoward happens to anyone after putting them in millions of debt?

[old cypress]

It's worth noting that mhj is still barred from working elsewhere due to the noncompete she has with hybe (if I'm not wrong)

[feral tapir]

any news?

[copper jetty]

But didn't hybe terminate the shareholder's contract so that part is also terminated

[polar owl]

Lol, the corporations have it all in SK, and probably in many other places.

[old cypress]

Oh you're right

[polar owl]

In my own personal network, people who are hating on Newjeans are just BTS fans - they are like we made Hybe big, anyone against Hybe is our enemy. Other are pretty neutral or nonchalant.

[short laurel]

Yes. The hate from other fandoms are multistans who mainly stan hybe groups.
Yesterday's once were telling us it's armyonce's multi n not pure onces.

[polar owl]

Sorry, just wanted to understand, will the kakaotalk messages be considered as evidence?

[native anchor]

no

[polar owl]

Why were they allowed to be presented or even revealed to the public?

[bronze talon]

The judge didn't even consider it anyway

[cerulean lake]

probably for mediaplay

[craggy skiff]

I wonder more about how the f ador could bring a fake camera record then the court don't say anything else about it?

[tidal basin]

Bring a fake camera record it would be illegal…

[feral tapir]

thats what im sayin

how are there no consequences to this

[copper jetty]

cause that only applies to criminal cases and not civil case. Was wondering about that too so I'm trying to read on how civil cases in south korea are done.

Now i understand why NewJeans' team couldn't present any evidences in the injunction. smh

[bronze talon]

tldr?

[copper jetty]

TLDR: There's no developed system of pre-trial discovery evidence in south korea. So there have been times where the evidence was only on one side. Also, if the us is rigid on what evidence is presented, that doesn't seem to be the case here. Korean litigation assumes that the judges are capable of seeing through nuanced things and they can make decisions based on what is presented. 💀

i think this may have been what happened since the evidences NewJeans need before was with Hybe.

if anyone wants the link to this it's here:
https://s-space.snu.ac.kr/bitstream/10371/213637/1/04_Understanding_Korean_Civil_Procedure_Law.pdf

[short laurel]

The point of that video changed. They said since cctv doesn't record audio so even if they had the right footage, it won't be enough to prove or disprove her claim. They avoided trouble with this.

[copper jetty]

I posted 1tokki's english translation regarding sejong's arguments on NewJeans reddit. I was trying to edit my post but it says server error. Is something wrong with reddit Hybe vs Ador mega thread?

it doesn't seem to be locked cause i commented on another post in that mega thread and it seemed ok. weird

[toxic trail]

Hanni even said that it seemed to be deleted

And Hanni said she was alone. In the footage they showed, it was Hanni and Danielle

[hoary frost]

can anyone summarize what happened in court?

[short laurel]

Still even if they showed real footage, no audio so hard to prove or disprove it.

Ador wanted to dmg hanni in public through that n that's what they did. Njz lawyers said issue isn't the ignore incident but how hybe ador handled it. Like 1st they said footage was accidentally deleted by an employee he left company, now they say it was automatically deleted.

[toxic trail]

https://youtu.be/SbNpIdXbxXE?si=h4k_FW6s7TqCpiCk

[hoary frost]

thank u so much

[copper jetty]

you can read this. This is the english translation of NJ's lawyers arguments

#1231839760759263232 message

[copper jetty]

also the motive on why they presented that as an evidence since that doesn't have anything to do with Hanni's report. They knew that it was not the right footage, and so they now claim that it's deleted but why then did they show that to the court? Very questionable.

[toxic trail]

Like she said, probably to mess up hannis public image.

[hoary frost]

Alr thank u asw

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1948745050202275968

[harsh dove]

@NJZBUBBLEGUM <t:1753452000:d>

(250725)
Team Bunnies(@NewJeansSTRM)
2nd Pleading Date(250724) For The Lawsuit Regarding
The Confirmation of Exclusive Contract Validity
Argument of the Shin & Kim LLC

(1/3)

[stable escarp]

Hybe is burning

[old cypress]

figured. I was saying yesterday that some of kmedia is reporting hybe's side because they don't really have any means to reach njz's side. There were reporters at the court but they work for their own outlets and other outlets can't really use their work.

Now with Team Bunnies pusblishing njz's side, journalists can report sejong's talking points to the media

[short laurel]

this reminds me. i by chance saw aespajeans claiming to have sued team bunnies.

[waxen musk]

Went outside all today to escape from everything that happened and then I come back home, look on Twitter (only looking at the Tweets from the people I chose to follow) for literally 2 minutes and I'm just miserable again. How much more miserable it will be for the girls is someting I cannot fathom. Either way, I feel confident in a win, so I'll focus on that.

[hollow sorrel]

aespajeans sued team bunnies or they were sued by team bunnies?

[short laurel]

No idea

I didn't read much n closed it knowing most if their twts are fake news

[wary creek]

i'm curious to see what ADOR/Hybe said at court

I want to see if ADOR/Hybe's lawyers put up a good argument

[waxen musk]

Oh this is a nicely presented summary. Might be worth a pin over what was pinned last.

[copper jetty]

Don't go on X. I wa so happy this morning regarding sejong's arguments but then I see all the horrid things on X and I just went and came crawling back here.

I just don't understand how horrid these people are. And how proud they are of what they're saying that I just wonder, could they even say that in person to other people irl?

[waxen musk]

MHJ has been quite active on IG. I can't help but read into it as a good thing.

3 Stories and 2 Posts (she almost never posts) today.

[waxen musk]

Yeah I don't know what to do about it other than try to ignore it. And like I said, it took literally two minutes. It really doesn't take long for it to get in your head.

I saw multiple people in here earlier asking if "does this mean we win". No it doesn't mean we know how things will go, we can never say that.
But I literally have never been so confident in them possibly winning than at any other point before now.

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1948789737080381779?t=UWKJcOw0tF_USTk53WKKDA&s=19 -c

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1753462654:d>

Injunction vs Main Lawsuit

[Injunction Hearing]

HYBE/Fraudor and Kim & Chang: We’ve finished preparing everything for the group’s activities. We just need NewJeans to show up! We’re even preparing for Grammy awards and a new season of Produce 101!

[Main Lawsuit]

Judge: Do you have any evidence or records showing your plans for their activities?

HYBE/Fraudor and Kim & Chang: Nope nope, we’ve got nothing at all.

It’s absolutely appalling how these lawyers, many of whom are former judges, knowingly exploit the structural limitations of injunction courts. They understand that injunction hearings prioritize speed over depth, and that judges often don’t have the time or capacity to rigorously verify evidence. So they take advantage of that. They bend the truth, exaggerate, or outright lie, knowing they likely won’t be challenged.

But when it comes to the main lawsuit, where claims are subjected to full discovery and cross-examination, they can’t keep up the charade. They’re forced to walk back their words because there are actual consequences for deception.

This kind of inconsistency isn’t just unethical, it undermines the integrity of the court system itself. Given how much of the injunction ruling rested on flawed assumptions that ADOR has plans concretely laid out for NewJeans and that Min Hee-jin was guilty of breach of trust, the court should seriously consider voiding that ruling altogether and allow the girls to make a living. You can’t build a judgment on falsehoods and expect justice to stand.

[copper jetty]

Since team bunnies released the Excerpt from sejong... do you guys think that nj's arguments can now finally be seen on Korean's side?

[waxen musk]

I don't know, the media aren't even going to bother trying to report on a fraction of what happened now that more than a day has passed. I don't have confidence in it reaching Koreans in general. However because of my confidence in a win, I don't think it will matter later on. The details of a final ruling will be what is spread (I'm hoping).

[waxen musk]

*x -c https://x.com/NJZBAM/status/1948678385166700611

[harsh dove]

@NJZBAM <t:1753436106:d>

Higher court ruled that if ADOR abandoned its production duties, the contract could be terminated.

What was revealed yesterday:
-No discussions on NewJeans activities before or after MHJ’s removal.
-Vice CEO said that they had no plans or solutions for NewJeans' future.

[waxen musk]

It really hit me how this is just so conclusive in proving fake Ador was never thinking about the girls or even their own company that relies on the girls when they were taking over control from MHJ.
(I did say this earlier but this just became so much clearer for me.)

[toxic trail]

Wdym?

[toxic trail]

And it shows why the girls miss MHJ as the CEO so much, because she made them feel good compared to the actual ADOR now.

[waxen musk]

That wasn't really my point, but of course I agree.
My point is how conclusive that point alone is to prove a breach of trust in the courts.

[fallow forge]

What day did hanni go through that thing with illit and does anyone know when she went to the ceo

[clear hill]

Fake ador: newjeans can go on without mhj
Fake ador as well: this is too tiring managing newjeans. We have no plans for newjeans. It’s too much.

[clear hill]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSS8DnmCo/

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSS8Dtg8f/

[cinder narwhal]

saw some comments above-- if for some reason they went back you'd really stop supporting them? entertain my hypothetical

like if hybe caved to their demands and reinstated everyone

[feral tapir]

people are brainless and it shows

[native anchor]

real

[waxen musk]

It's hard to know if they truly wish to return if Ador is "returned back to how it was in April 2024". However it is something they have to stick to and repeat saying legally because that's what they said during their 14 day contract termination notice.

Do I think it's possible for Ador to give in and finally accept those terms? Probably not. Not without somehow convincing not just Min Heejin but all the other people who left who were integral to the company and remove all the other people from Hybe that replaced everyone at the company making it what it is today.

You can see how unrealstic that sounds, right? But is it possible? Sure, anything is possible I guess. I could win the lottery.

[cinder narwhal]

it's less "is it probable" and more "do i like them enough to be alright with their choices whatever those are"

[feral tapir]

they don't wanna go back to ador

[waxen musk]

If they think they can be safe with an Ador that EXACTLY resembles how it was for them before April 2024, then of course I support that decision, even if I think going back to Hybe seems like a horrible idea. They were "fine" before April 2024, even if the rest of the people at Hybe made them miserable. Their relative independence allowed them to be happy enough at the time. But like I said I don't think it's happening anyway.

[cinder narwhal]

they literally said they're open to go back if old ador was back.

[warm hollow]

so overall, it likely means they won’t return as a full group and might eventually go their own ways or focus on solo careers?

[feral tapir]

ok but what's a good reason for old ador to come back

[waxen musk]

Huh, how did you jump to that conclusion.

[feral tapir]

theyre just gonna get bullied by bsh atp

[cinder narwhal]

see this.

[warm hollow]

idk i’m just saying if obviously, it might be impossible for them to RETURN back, what else could they do then?

[cinder narwhal]

i fear there might be "fans" who'll drop them if they don't like their decision. and that's fine.

[native anchor]

Well if they win and don't return they will continue as njz

If they lose they have to return or pay fines

[warm hollow]

ohh okay

[feral tapir]

well fuck them fans

[waxen musk]

And they won't return if they lose.

[cinder narwhal]

that was the point of my question lol

[warm hollow]

PAY FINES? dude what the fuck since when for what? they’re not even calling themselves njz or newjeans

[waxen musk]

So it's pay fines or wait until 2029.

[warm hollow]

this whole situation is so messed up

[feral tapir]

it was messed up from the beginning 🥀

[warm hollow]

those "fans" shouldn’t even consider themselves as fans if they act this way, that’s stupid lmao

If u love someone that much and consider urself a true supporter, you would be there for them, regardless of their decisions

[simple musk]

NEWJEANS IS BACK?

[feral tapir]

no

[simple musk]

But they said they won?

[feral tapir]

when

[simple musk]

Idk from Reliable sources I think

Let me send u the video

[warm hollow]

it’s so unfair

[cinder narwhal]

tag it as unreliable now

[warm hollow]

don’t give us false hope 💔

[simple musk]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSvSYL4F/

[feral tapir]

wasnt that an old video

[simple musk]

They post it yesterday

[brazen ice]

its an old vid

[feral tapir]

yeah it's old

[cinder narwhal]

I'll ask my question again later when other regulars are on

[waxen musk]

Oh shit this is what that other person saw and completely confused me. What a stupid video.

[feral tapir]

what was the question

[simple musk]

[cinder narwhal]

.

[waxen musk]

Yeah I know, I know people should learn about the situation but it is exhausing speaking to people who you don't even realise don't have the basic information down when they ask their perfectly fine questions.

[feral tapir]

i would not stop supporting them

[waxen musk]

It's all unlikely hypotheticals anyway. Don't worry about it.

[native anchor]

well if they refuse to work after losing

they have to pay a fine

[mild mist]

No, they'd pay a fine for breach of contract

[waxen musk]

"Would you support the girls if MHJ murdered someone".

[native anchor]

for not fulfilling the contract

[feral tapir]

literally stupid

[mild mist]

Ah but what if they were on mars

[cinder narwhal]

this whole thread is hypotheticals and predictions 😂

[waxen musk]

And to be clear, I probably would start questioning my support of the girls if they supported MHJ after a murder. Sometimes I can't believe I have to clarify myself, but well... you know how people are.

[feral tapir]

why are we even talking about murder here😭

[waxen musk]

Someone bout to be murdered if Hybe continue at their pace jesus lol

Anyway sorry for being silly but sometimes these hypotheticals bother me.

[feral tapir]

ngl im wondering with all these crazy people in the wild how did one of them didn't go crazy over that case and killed bhs🥀

my english is not englishing holy

[waxen musk]

Lets move on from the murder related topics

[feral tapir]

yes

i think for our well being we should stop getting updated about the situation until it's actually over and get the real results 🎀

[native anchor]

its all just one click away

[waxen musk]

If anyone disagrees with my conclusion that Ador being restored to how the girls have requested is basically impossible, let me know.

[warm hollow]

please don’t believe this tiktok, if it was indeed true, u would get many mentions from this server lmao, we would be celebrating by now

[feral tapir]

well imo it's not impossible but i don't think thats gonna happen

[cinder narwhal]

real

[warm hollow]

me too, never

[feral tapir]

imma pull the chronically online quote wait

[warm hollow]

how much is it? the fine?

[feral tapir]

they saved me😭🎀💅💔🥀‼️😩

[native anchor]

idk didnt set up the contract

[warm hollow]

yeahh

[waxen musk]

The fine that's been talked about for months is not a likely actual number. So it's hard to say. But lots. There are numbers floating out there based on what it says in a standard contract. People keep saying a judge imposing fines on them would make it something that is more realistic, because it if isn't realistic, then no consideration of paying them would even happen in the first place.

[warm hollow]

didn’t one of their staff killed themselves due to their working environment?

[cinder narwhal]

😭 😭 😭

[waxen musk]

Yeah that was brought up during the National Assembly hearing Hanni attended.

[feral tapir]

i've heard about billions or trillions

[waxen musk]

Well not trillions but yeah billions (in KRW) for contract termination fee

[feral tapir]

₩

[warm hollow]

ohh okay

[feral tapir]

nah cus if it was € or $ i'd just kms

[tawdry vessel]

they aren't fans

[warm hollow]

i would be mentally exhausted lmao no going back after paying a huge amount of money for speaking up hello, even if it’s considered as a violation of their contract

[feral tapir]

fr man

[warm hollow]

yeah, they’re just here for the music and not for the members support

[warm hollow]

i’m surprised this company is still up bro, if it was starships or smth else, they would be canceled by then

[feral tapir]

out of context but how long did u sleep cus i slept like 5h and im dead rn🪦

[waxen musk]

Other companies have done really disgusting things in the past and they somehow still survive as a company. It's surprising what they can get away with. (Someone with actual knowledge of the history of K-pop please remind me of some big examples.)

[feral tapir]

i think all companies have bad sides

some are just better at hiding it

[warm hollow]

HELP i have no idea, i didn’t time myself but i woke up at 11am AND DM ME INSTEAD 😒😡

[feral tapir]

true mb gang💔

[warm hollow]

i would like to hear too, i know the other companies aren’t innocent for sure

i’ll js look up

so apparently from chatgpt

SM was criticized for “slave contracts” and overworking idols. YG dealt with major scandals like Burning Sun (Seungri), B.I’s drug case, and mistreatment of 2NE1. JYP faced backlash for neglecting GOT7, favoring Suzy in Miss A, and poor handling of Day6’s mental health. Cube was slammed for kicking out HyunA and Dawn over dating and mismanaging CLC. DSP had issues like KARA’s contract dispute and APRIL’s bullying scandal. TS Entertainment became known for underpaying B.A.P and mistreating idols. FNC mishandled AOA’s bullying case. These reflect deeper issues in the industry.

[feral tapir]

NAW SAVE AESPA

[warm hollow]

FRL BRO

[feral tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/karina-karina-stop-aespa-karina-karina-gwenchana-karina-genchana-gif-124244366723608113

[warm hollow]

but as much as i love aespa, we should save twice first

[feral tapir]

we should save everyone ngl🥀

imagine

creating a company where you hire all the groups that were in bad situations in their previous company and make them actually enjoy working + real paychecks

i'd do that if i had money🥀

brokki

[warm hollow]

we should bro

[warm hollow]

BRO SAME

[feral tapir]

dreams would be easier to achieve if money wasn't a thing🥀

[warm hollow]

100% 😞

[clear hill]

I don’t think people care enough to properly inform themselves the facts, people just wanna feel included even if it’s in a hate train. The sad truth is that majority of people who are aware of the situation get their information from Hybe stans/antis who spread misinformation and think mhj is the root of all evil.

I don’t get how during the second hearing for the main case k&c argued that sejong’s claim of Hybe using media play is “emotionally charged” when it’s quite literally true. Every Hybe controversy is covered up by newjeans/mhj smear campaigns. It’s disgusting

[simple musk]

😭

[tawdry vessel]

tired of yall just yapping about what the haters are saying

https://tenor.com/view/سحر-magic-abra-kadabra-vanished-gif-17338827

[clear hill]

Bruh just let us vent out our frustrations 🥀

[tawdry vessel]

the reason youre frustrated cause you are too focused on what they're saying... just ignore them and focus on njz

[upbeat stream]

Let's focus on the positives. Despite those hybe fandoms' best efforts on korean twitter too, njz got so much love and support. Every hate tweet gets badly ratioed

[tawdry vessel]

yeeppp can we do that y'all

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/kangil_/status/1948274356586504586

강일 (@kangil_)

아니 돌판 처음이세요? 와 진짜 개웃기네
웃겨서 말도 안나와 지금 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ https://t.co/dMo0JA5QoT

X · Jul 24, 2025, 6:49 AM

Just go through the quotes, it's heartwarming

[tawdry vessel]

im excited we might get the comeback pretty soon

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-newjeans-danielle-danielle-marsh-newjeans-reaction-danielle-reaction-gif-27348866

ofc keep the expectations not high and not low

[upbeat stream]

I don't worry about international fans much. These same people, especially armys, have been hating on blackpink for years. Has that affected them one bit? No

[clear hill]

Focus has been only on njz dw... but everyone looks at the comments let’s not lie. It’s easier for people to ignore and drown out the hate but for some people like me, maybe I just refuse to believe some humans can be that cruel.Its human nature to care about what people think to a certain extent.

[thick glade]

Just don't let your mental get too bad. 😢

[clear hill]

Dw!! Other than being angry for a couple seconds I don’t let it get to me as easy as it is to get angry for me it’s just as easy to forget about it

[cerulean lake]

jennie’s been through so many hate trains. she’s a strong one fr 🫩

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/Maydaibunni/status/1948925710376001708

[harsh dove]

@Maydaibunni <t:1753495073:d>

KBS is apologizing AGAIN after knetz/ktokkis called them out for their misleading and sensationalized reporting of newjeans
https://v.daum.net/v/20250725174638763

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/cchoi07/status/1948926153588441447
anyone know the specifics?

cchoi (@cchoi07)

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답변이 의무인지? 아님. 대충 밝혀도 되고 답변 거부해도 됨. 당사자는 리스크를 지는것 뿐임.

구석명 : 석명을 구하는 한 일방의 요구(재...

X · Jul 26, 2025, 1:59 AM

[upbeat stream]

I suppose it's talking about this part in sejong's presentation, as revealed by team bunnies:

1. before dismissing Min Hee-jin, did the plaintiffs consult with or explain the situation to the defendants, who would be most affected? The answer: no.
2. Then, was there any plan prepared to ensure that the defendants could continue their activities normally after her dismissal? Honestly, they answered: no. That was the plaintiff's answer.
3. Then they said that a delegated management contract was proposed before Min Hee-jin’s dismissal—was there any consultation about that? Again, the answer: no.

These were 3 questions the court had approved to be asked to ador at the 2nd hearing and yet they failed to answer them.

And remember, the court had said this about the significance of these questions:
The court stated, "This is closely related to whether the right to terminate the management contract has arisen, so a response is required."

This, combined with Lee Do-kyung saying they have no plans should be damning evidence for any bench, no matter how conservative

[short laurel]

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1948968117813567611?t=1QQj5UbW3-jstC1Cijfnyg&s=19
Just saw this

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy)

So they made an entire article about Team Bunnies collecting "illegal" donations to sue malicious commenters targeting NJZ, but they are completely silent when their supreme leader gets investigated by the highest financial authorities for a 1.2 trillion won fraud case? Hmm

X · Jul 26, 2025, 4:46 AM

Teambunnies have shared receipt so their donations are not used Illegally. Dispatch just wanted to harm them. Aespajeans just took dispatch article. Probably part of team who asked dispatch to make that article

[clear hill]

Yup, and even the judge said this case is complex and is more abstract. Yet the lee do-kyung evidence and direct no answer to all simplified the case and there is no other conclusion but that the contract termination was valid.

[short laurel]

Since police searched hybe building. Could they find mails of hybe asking media to spread only anti njz n anti mhj news? 🤔

[cerulean lake]

that would be nice

[short laurel]

But what does without detention means here

[feral tapir]

yeah basically theyre just not locked up ig

[wary creek]

interesting and the news about the arrest actually came out a few days ago on this site https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/2025-07-22/business/finance/HYBE-employee-sentenced-to-prison-for-insider-trading-on-BTSs-military-service/2358636

[short laurel]

What is open detention in this case cuz it doesn't sound like jail

[feral tapir]

i dont really know how it works but i'm assuming it's just kind of like you do whatever you want but you just cant leave that place or smth

[snow furnace]

is that like house arrest?

[mint elm]

bro i was j talking 2 u on aespa server LOL

[feral tapir]

RIGHT LOL

[feral tapir]

no i think that's different, i think they're just gonna be able to roam around freely in jail, but i might be totally wrong idk

[mint elm]

if i was hybe ceo id kms

like bts is going downhill so is njz like wtf is the point

i dont get it bruh its like if yg treated blackpink like this for no reason it j doesnt make sense

[feral tapir]

what's up with bts?

[mint elm]

nothing its j theyre a 3rd gen group so theyre naturally dying

Like Twice BP Red Velvet

[feral tapir]

ahhhh don't tell that to their fandom they're gonna find ur house

[mint elm]

i dont fear death, i fear never beginning to live.

[old cypress]

Btw the soumu employee is the former lesserafim creative director Nu Kim

[mint elm]

Wait we might actually win the court case

[mild mist]

Interesting
I'd have thought they meant house arrest

[mint elm]

I from the bottom of my heart apologize for doubting, i do love the girls and the fandom but i j didnt expect it this at all

[mild mist]

We can't say anything definite, but it's looking a lot better

[old cypress]

Everyone doubted because they jumped to conclusions without reading anything closely

[mint elm]

LOL winnable

[mild mist]

I doubted because they didn't present enough evidence at the injunction

[old cypress]

LDK is the only new evidence here. And it was said that sejong was keeping some evidence aside for the main trial

[short laurel]

Yea ik

[upbeat stream]

The non-indictment decision is also important evidence that didn't exist at the time of the injunction trial

[old cypress]

we already knew that the police investigation would lead to non-indictment since hybe literally only had kkt chats against mhj. The only problem was the timing and hybe trying to stall the police by submitting new "elements" to investigate

[hollow sorrel]

didnt they say the new element was NewJeans terminating their contract but that came as a consequence of them dismissing MHJ months later??? What would that have to do with the audit TT

[old cypress]

they were just trying to stall the police so the main trial would conclude before the cops finish their job

[hollow sorrel]

yeahh

[upbeat stream]

Thank god Yoon self-imploded. That might prove to be the turning point of this case lol

[bronze talon]

https://x.com/RockTOKKI5/status/1948896565952958584

락TOKKI (@RockTOKKI5)

MHDHH will return in NJZ

X · Jul 26, 2025, 12:02 AM

[feral tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/hyein-stan-twitter-kpop-stan-twitter-flop-gif-15462776739010313254

[short laurel]

Man that yoon would've protected hybe. Bsh family part of ppp afterall

[tawdry vessel]

first time i followed a south korea election

i kept checking the polls

[short laurel]

Fr. Not even follow my own countries elections this closely

[cerulean lake]

nah but like fr. wasn’t it revealed that hybe was affiliated w/ yoon’s wife too? 😪

[sage venture]

Just tabloid level talk, but there are two religious figures allegedly tied to kim keonhee (president yoon’s wife and widely seen as the power behind him) one is Geonjin Beopsa? (linked to the unification church), and the other is the fortune teller Cheon Gong (rumored to be tied to Dahnworld)
last year, there were rumours floating around about some connection between Dahnworld and HYBE so who knows

[cerulean lake]

honestly i do believe it if they were tied in some way considering how she was seen visiting hybe before and with how bsh’s dad was a prominent gov official

[upbeat stream]

Is CBS considered tabloid level? I thought they were quite respected. They revealed that hybe had hired the husband of Kim Keon-hee's close aide but then removed them within a week

It's not enough to prove close ties between Yoon's wife and hybe but it is something

[sage venture]

CBS is legit It's just whole connection was just all speculation but the unification church actually got raided while digging into those connections So if there really is something with Dahnworld, it might be their turn next

[waxen musk]

I already feel like the amount of the hateful things that made me angry have calmed down a lot today. How's it going for everyone else?

I really wonder how these next three months will go.

[sage venture]

it actually wasn’t a quiet day Dispatch dropped an 'exclusive' trying to criticise the Team Bunnies fundraiser but just like HYBE’s usual media play, it backfired hard Seeing them use their usual mouthpieces to attack like that really shows how much the last hearing stung Honestly, pretty satisfying

[upbeat stream]

I felt the same. The hearing must not have gone well for them if they make such a desperate attempt to divide the fandom. This 'exclusive' from dispatch was kinda embarrassing

[waxen musk]

That stuff doesn't make me as angry as what was being said the previous couple of days. I read that, laugh, see Team Bunnies receipts and then quickly move along. So it doesn't change what I said above, for me.

[upbeat stream]

A k-tokki made a good point. Notice how hybe didn't mediaplay as much after the appeal loss even though the timing was ripe for it. They must have felt good about winning the main lawsuit. Yet they go all out after the final hearing

[waxen musk]

If this is them going all out, then they need to do a better job.

[sage venture]

looks like they were confident MHJ’s police investigation result wouldn’t come out anytime soon

[waxen musk]

The timing of so many different things was so important.

[sage venture]

i wish I’d seen HYBE’s lawyer’s face when they found out it was all wrapping up at the 3rd hearing They surely planned to drag it out with witnesses and stall until mid next year must’ve been quite the look

[upbeat stream]

What I fail to understand is how korean twitter and theqoo can be so different on newjeans, that too only since the injunction. Before that, they were both on njz's side. They have similar demographics and often hold similar positions. On every major kpop issue, it seems they have been on the same side. But when it comes to njz, they have diverged completely. njz are still beloved on twitter, with hit tweets every day and antis getting ratioed to hell, yet on theqoo it's the opposite. There's gotta be some astroturfing going on, right?

In a single moment, theqoo went from being njz's biggest cheerleaders to their biggest antis. That just feels so unnatural, at least it should've been a bit more gradual

[cinder narwhal]

could be the antis (might be too strong a word) were always there but now since they had the injunction backing them up they felt braver(?)

[sage venture]

theqoo is becoming a Dead Internet theory test lab No new users, mass account trading, even AI bots

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, it's a closed platform. Idk how and when they open registration, but every time I've checked, it won't let you

[short laurel]

bts photos still on dahn world university site? hybe said last year they'll do something to make them remove the pics. and it remained there months after. are they still up ? i forgot that university name

[short laurel]

ktokkies post about it. they said if u type keywords jeans, u'll get hate comments. even if the post is among regular old jeans. so bunch of real bot accounts.

[sage venture]

https://broaden.global.ac.kr/home/homeIndex.do I think it's still there but looks like they removed some pics with the founder who has connection to Dahn World

[short laurel]

c how hybe is lenient with this university using BTS for free. but how hard they go against everyone else.

[sage venture]

oops actually the founder of that university is the founder of Dahn World

[short laurel]

yup.

[sage venture]

jesus christ holy sh...

[empty halo]

waiting for the dahn world hybe conspiracy theories to return

[heady gate]

Hybe will fall and bts will be fine.

[native anchor]

wow

not cool

[short laurel]

Yg 6 months prison n 1 year probation for covering for his drug addict artists.
While hybe inside traders get 6 months jail without detention...

[hoary frost]

ykw yeah. sorry guys. im acting like one of those rabid armies

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-bow-puppy-eyes-apologize-gif-8326897

[native anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-bow-puppy-eyes-apologize-gif-8326897

[old cypress]

Insider trading is less severe, it's essentially just profiting from inside info to make money. Meanwhile yg is covering up a crime or felony

[short laurel]

I forgot korea take drugs issue too seriously

[old cypress]

Even if it's not drugs it's still a cover-up yk

[dusk pine]

Any good news?

[short laurel]

But drug is harm to one person self inflicted. N inside trading is financial harm to multiple traders. Idk yg case but korea is strict even on small amount where a person would need help instead of punishment.

[dusk pine]

[short laurel]

Yg punishment would depend on what kind of crime he covered up

[old cypress]

As I said yg's case is covering up a crime one of his artists committed. What crime or felony is completely unrelevant

[old cypress]

I don't think so

[short laurel]

That's sounds not right to me honestly

[old cypress]

There might be a difference between crime and felony and that's it

[clear hill]

Yg covering up a crime one of his artists committed sounds better than Hybe having legal battles and multiple controversies with its artists over plagiarism and mistreatment tbh 😭

[vale grove]

I’m not gonna lie, I don’t take the drug stuff seriously whatsoever. Maybe it’s the American in me , but I agree with this. Think about with TOP and how his career was genuinely ruined by w**d. I understand it’s a coverup but I feel like Korean justice system is prioritizing the wrong things here 🥲 no idea why insider trading is considered less harmfull…..

[native anchor]

insider trading can ruin lives

of those who are not informed

[old cypress]

Because there are no victims. This guy just sold stocks before the news dropped. He's not some large institution or major shareholder that would crash the stock by selling. Granted, covering up a crime makes no victims either but it's a very serious matter and you sometimes get a harsher sentence for covering up a crime than for the actual crime

It's like perjury, it's a very serious matter

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/Aaliyahdabrattt/status/1948900288162607362

NJZ 🐇🎀 (@Aaliyahdabrattt)

Jerri is still working at ador..

X · Jul 26, 2025, 12:16 AM

[cerulean lake]

yeah that’s why i hope those comments are just bots bc it’s crazy how there can be such a 180 switchup and that can affect their mental healths more seeing all that

i think there was that post exposing how there were hate comments spammed at one keyword even tho the post wasn’t nwjns related

[short laurel]

She's just an employee. The economy is hard. Important ppl at leader positions are the ones who left that company cuz they can easily do so, not so simple for other employees

[empty halo]

we literally know nothing about them they're just private citizens can tokkis leave them alone

[tawdry vessel]

she picked a side and we got to respect it but pls stay on that side

[tawdry vessel]

trueeee

[ashen charm]

she picked whats right for her lets be honest njz aint paying everyone thed go broke

[jade jolt]

I knew she chose to stay when blackq, yellz and jeikim unfllwed her but i Can t really blame her shes just trying to make a living out of it it but it s a bit dissapointing that she chose to stay ngl but i also think she is a performance director for enhypen sometimes so maybe that s why she chose to stay at ador/hybe

[copper current]

I am thinking the court is on Hybe and fake dor side. They know that eventually more evidence comes out and they cannot rule in favor for Ador so they are rushing to October and tried to conclude that fake dor is right and NJZ is wrong before more good evidence or win for MHJ cases come out which is in favor for NJZ. The court is horrible, the judges are corrupted.

[cinder narwhal]

i saw an opposite take earlier on x. I'll try to find it

[copper jetty]

Idk if i agree... I wouldn't say they're in the girls' side but I also wouldn't say they're in Ador's. Definitely with what was presented i think the judge maybe leaning on the girl's side. Ador didn't even present excuses as to those 3 clarification questions.

Now it could also mean neutral, like the girls' reason to terminate is valid but since Ador's only artist is newjeans, the judge may consider Ador's side of argument too... like he might have the girls pay remuneration for it. Idk if it's possible for it to be that way but, I read that mediation isn't necessarily a formality procedure in Korea. So the judge maybe is thinking that Ador may want something just in case the girls break free and it may end up in settlement.

[mild mist]

they should settle out of court just so the web tears itself apart trying to decide who 'won'

[copper jetty]

Diabolical but agree.. the internet will break. But then again I feel like this could be another possibility Hybe could use for media play

[rain spade]

I wonder why ador lawyer mention is just police opinion

[copper jetty]

They can't agree. If they do they'll give more reason for the judge to lean on the girls side and they'll lose the case.

[pulsar wasp]

*x https://x.com/poverty_liberty/status/1949359544590610447?s=46&t=fNOSZJh6PZHLeSxBuZ7DWA

so we trust this account? are they neutral, HYBE supporters, or MHDHH supporters?

🏳️‍🌈饒速日🏳️‍🌈 (@poverty_liberty)

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The NewJeans-ADOR exclusive contract lawsuit is a “formation lawsuit”: the court decides if the contract is valid or void. It’s a black-and-white world with no room for gray—yet the court suggested mediation, a surprising move.

X · Jul 27, 2025, 6:41 AM