NJZ Updates and Discussion

[sage venture]

nope there’s been a Commercial Act amendment passed in congress under the new president

[heady gate]

BSH has 30% shares of HYBE co. They can't vote him out.

[sage venture]

well it doesn’t mean that Korea’s board system was outdated basically used like a toy by major shareholders But with the recent amendment, even if you’re the major shareholder, if the board follows your orders against shareholder interests, they can now be held liable for breach of trust

applied to this case, if the board protects BSH and he’s later found guilty they could also be charged with breach of trust and that's major crime

[grizzled summit]

Is bsh proven innocent??

[honest sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1382519556437708820.webp?size=96&animated=true

[grizzled summit]

Someone tell me becsause I saw this Vid comparing that bsh and mhj both are innocent

[copper jetty]

I just checked the list of all the things BSH "produced". I have heard some although I'm confused. PDOGG is mostly BTS's producer and some of the members. The credits I've seen on BSH other than a couple of songs is writer so why isn't PDOGG more known than Bang?

The same way bunnies know 250, FRNK, Gigi and Erika. Weird...

Is BSH equivalent to MHJ's role here??

[onyx geyser]

probably? idrk

[copper jetty]

I mostly know him as BTS's music producer so I was expecting him to have credits on the songs...

Idk if I'm incorrectly thinking his role.

[heady gate]

you are correct

[copper jetty]

Thanks

[mild mist]

Are they all just production credits? No writing?

[heady gate]

no writing, just production credits on this picture

[copper jetty]

Mostly earlier credits for writing.

Didn't know that Bang's already in the US. I thought he was supposed to have this speech somewhere but it was canceled. And that he was going next week to the US and that's why he's not gonna come to the kakao investigation.

https://n.news.naver.com/article/015/0005158917

[heady gate]

that is smart

[fluid ravine]

according to what was said by some lawyers who are in this post, even with hybe challenging the police again, it is very difficult for the decision to be changed
https://x.com/juantokki/status/1945159494683730119

[waxen musk]

What's the timescale for this?

I'm impatient.

[copper jetty]

-calmdown

[tall dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948918589602267186/1227417592520769596/2FU6lOm.mov?ex=662854b6&is=6615dfb6&hm=d9eb21f69af1204bc077e3da2d2d7b668f2ae57e458f3a4a318cd53e6537f71d&

[copper jetty]

A year.

Joke. Idk

[fluid ravine]

nobody knows, but i believe it won't take long

[old cypress]

he's really unlucky lol they're gonna make an example out of him

[copper jetty]

We still don't know how this will turn out. The case isn't finished yet so we'll see.

[waxen musk]

I wish I knew what the next steps are. Tokkis love to hype this up whilst Hybe stans love to downplay and almost ignore the situation.

[copper jetty]

That's why I'm trying to stay neutral. With how this year has been for us ( a Rollercoaster) we don't know what's gonna happen. Until bsh and co gets indicted for this, it's still pretty early.

[potent lichen]

I read through some of the BSH prosecution Reddit post and most of the comments were people saying What? I thought redditors said this was a nothing burger.

Or Hybe stans saying they hope bunnies don’t start another hate train against Hybe artists.

Just misinformation everywhere

[sage venture]

lol this is the biggest stock market fraud case in korean history

[copper jetty]

This basically is the biggest one. They got 1.2 trillion won all in all. BSH alone got 400B won.

They just recently changed how companies go about IPO listing because of this. So yeah, this is a big deal and not a nothing burger.

[sage venture]

and maybe the cleanest case when it comes to calculating unfair gains since 30% of the profit went directly into his personal account

[copper jetty]

https://m.mt.co.kr/renew/view.html?no=2025071609293558464

[midnight yarrow]

He's cooked. Just give it time.

[feral tapir]

send this fattie to jail

[empty halo]

and we cheer

[royal patio]

Reddit is actually full of lunatics, they have a whole subreddit for NJDrama, really man?

[old cypress]

tag pr is active on reddit that's why

[potent lichen]

It’s an echo chamber. Anyone who speaks against Hybe hive gets downvoted.

Now with the recent news they’re gonna rewrite history and pretend they were never hating NJZ

[royal patio]

I actually said something and i’m lowkey scared so def won’t be opening reddit anytime soon..

[midnight yarrow]

Not worth your time or energy. The agenda and narrative is set on Reddit. Stick to pro NJ subreddits and leave the rest alone.

[waxen musk]

MHJ vs Source delayed again.

MHJ vs Belift isn’t delayed (yet).

I haven’t seen a new date.

[copper jetty]

Lmao I just went on reddit. Apparently, the script there is "when bsh did this it was legal before." And "this was a Grey area in the law."

Idk where their sources are. Nothing pasted on those comments

[copper jetty]

Do you mean the July 18 case? Delayed again?

[waxen musk]

Yes. Pinned schedule updated.

I think this is the first time there have been two delays in a row for one of these hearings.

[copper jetty]

Wasn't the Source hearing before delayed because of MHJ?

Also ash do u know anything about MHJ's kktalk chats being used in the case? Is there any updates on that?

[waxen musk]

I’ve not seen anything.

[copper jetty]

Last time, I think I've read that they're trying to use her kktalk chats as evidence but they're still trying to see if it's legal to use. I forgot where I read it, but I was hoping there's any updates.

[copper jetty]

Thanks

[hollow sorrel]

surely this is the last delay

[copper jetty]

We don't know that. But it's definitely soumu's third time delaying.

[empty halo]

but why are they even defending him literally who even is that man?? hes just some guy not even an idol

[potent lichen]

Because he reps the company that their idols are with. Kpop fans are parasocial and any bad press or insults to their faves they take personally

[empty halo]

silly

[subtle matrix]

Not that I agree with people defending him, because I couldn't care less what happens to BSH

But people ask the same thing about tokkis and MHJ

[copper jetty]

True.

[old cypress]

any chances that the 3 companies are hybe, belift and soumu? lol

[empty halo]

i mean.... woman vs billion dollar company and man w control over a billion dollar company participating in fraudulent transactions for no reason apart from greed are 2 diff situations but i get your point i guess

[copper jetty]

Lmao no considering that Belift wasn't even formed then. Maybe bighit, the pef company, third one no idea... source???

[empty halo]

mhj is a creative, she isnt an idol either so obsessive support for her, someone who isnt even a HUGE public figure is weird. but celebrating her wins isnt celebrating HER as much as it is celebrating wins against hybe ykwim

[subtle matrix]

One of the companies is probably kakao

[potent lichen]

It’s a bit different as the girls themselves back up MHJ, even their parents and she had a 7 year plan, along with the OG Ador team who the girls wanted to continue working with

[copper jetty]

How'd kakao get here though??? 🤔

[old cypress]

taeho was a big hit exec before belift

[subtle matrix]

Wasn't the kakao/SM/hybe shenanigans also being discussed in this meeting?

Source Music and Belift aren't publicly traded companies afaik so their executives wouldn't be involved unless it was bc of previous roles with hybe

[vital orbit]

does anyone have the official appeal document? someone said a public document was released from the court regarding the appeal

[subtle matrix]

It's probably pinned here

[vital orbit]

also lee jin-ho isnt a trusted source, right? some people are using him as their source

[copper jetty]

Thing is, I support mhj because the girls support them plus, we've seen how with mhj's management, the girls actually get paid, they get annual vacations, they get to learn the ins and outs of their job by having them have inputs on their writing hopefully production soon. Like there's so many pros..

Does that make me blind if she does something wrong definitely not. If she does something wrong I feel like I'll still call her out.
But tbf to BSH, innocent until proven guilty so I'll wait until investigation concludes.

[vital orbit]

someone told me "oh, but the court addressed MHJ's issue in NewJeans' appeal"

[old cypress]

never trust leejinho

[vital orbit]

this.

[vital orbit]

yea i did my research bc i remembered sth ab hybe having ties with youtube reporters and i was able to find thw lee jinho hate train from tokkis

love me some educational tokki twt accounts theyre so helpful

i still rly wanna find that stupid 4-5 page appeal document the person was talking about, hold on

[copper jetty]

I can't really answer this since I don't know much about it, the only thing I know is it's a separate thing from this ipo bsh thing.

[copper jetty]

He's a known cyber wrecker. So no.

[old cypress]

the kakao thing is currently in court so it's unrelated to the FSS

[subtle matrix]

Yeah that was more or less the point, people support these figures because they feel they are in some way beneficial to their favourite artists. Like him or not BSH is a big figure (although probably very overstated at this point) for most hybe groups especially BTS

[vital orbit]

found it i think, thank you njzcord

[copper jetty]

Agree.

[subtle matrix]

But anyway I'm always a bit amazed by the things people do for money. Like I'm sure he made a shitload of money with those shenanigans but he's a billionaire. If he hadn't done it he would still be a billionaire. This level of greed confuses me for real

If I ever have enough money to live out my days comfortably and leave some for my children I'd be like "alright everyone peace I'm outta here" and just retire in some tropical country somewhere

These people have insane amounts of money and they're still pulling scams to add a little bit more to the bank account

Literal sociopaths I swear

[copper jetty]

Yeah that level of greed is insane

[empty halo]

that's how billionaires work moment (they genuinely never ever need allat money and couldnt spend it in 3 whole comfortable lifetimes)

[copper jetty]

Also, how come the court agreed again to a delay in the hearing. It's been delayed 3 times already. How come they don't argue that they're literally just wasting Mhj and the court's time and resources??

[short laurel]

it's bcuz of how they spends money. all their money are in the form of shares and other assets. they ton of take loans staking their shares. and bank's love to have rich take loans from them. so as logn as their share prices rise, they are fine but once they crash, they are at risk.
rich actually have much less money in cash.

[short laurel]

either reason is really good, or court corrupted. 🤷‍♂️

[copper jetty]

I don't want to assume that the court is corrupt for this but it's definitely suspicious.

[subtle matrix]

Is this confirmed? I haven't seen any actual reports on it

[copper jetty]

Yeah.

#1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

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MHJ vs Source delayed again.
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[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/catzkang/status/1945503722697896149?t=fP1-6nZCPoJ57ObWUK9Cpg&s=19

🫧 (@catzkang)

( SOURCEMUSIC VS MHJ )

SourceMusic has postponed the third hearing date again, which was scheduled for this Friday (7/18)

January 10: 1st hearing date
March 14: Source Music postponed
May 30: 2nd hearing date
June 27: Source Music postponed
July 18: Source Music postponed

X · Jul 16, 2025, 3:20 PM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1945503722697896149 does not contain any media!

[copper jetty]

My bad sorry. Reflex

[heady gate]

Postposed 3 times, it is a waste of time

[short laurel]

and tax dollars money.

[copper jetty]

Yeah. They also postponed twice in a row... like huh?

[short laurel]

it better be a really good reason. or maybe we might hear fines on somu by court soon.

[copper jetty]

Will we though?

[heady gate]

I am wondering, is Ador going to postpone NJ exclusive contract case?

[vital orbit]

I know this is an old document but I don't understand the last paragraph?

How did she take away NewJeans from HYBE? Where is the proof that she actually (tried to) force HYBE to sell any stocks??

[short laurel]

“When an entertainer signs an exclusive contract with an agency, whether the company is fulfilling its legal obligations becomes a key standard for judgment. If the agency’s top executive is involved in serious financial crimes, and this risk was unknown at the time of signing, it could be legitimate grounds for contract termination.”
god i love this.

[short laurel]

where u get this ?

[vital orbit]

allegedly this is the "5-6 page appeal document" the court published?

im just as confused as you, the person im talking to might be korean so its easier for yhem to access stuff like this

and it doesnt matcj the doc i found in pinned too cuz this mentions dates from 2023 n stuff

[heady gate]

It is basic math. Do you know HYBE owns a majority stake (80%) in ADOR? MHJ shares is too low to take control of the company.

[short laurel]

ahh yea. appeal judgement didn't made sense as we all agreed here. MHJ battle is still ongoing so they can't just assume that MHJ was in the wrong. i heard from korean that in multiple cases like this injunction court has many times assumed person related but not directly involved in case is assumed wrong even though the main court battle is still ongoing.
something along this.

i only heard. need to check validity since many people just say whatever.

[copper jetty]

Can i see the source for this??

[vital orbit]

no i know that, i used those same points against antis and they stopped talking when i even gave them proof that hybe sent tampered kkt

[vital orbit]

i only have the screenshot in korean they gave me :/ does that help?

[heady gate]

I am concerning about the source of this screenshot

[copper jetty]

Nah. I need the actual verifiable source and not the ss

[vital orbit]

me too.. they keep referring to it as the 4-5 page statement about the appeal

do i ask them for the source? people on X tend to like ip grabbing

[vital orbit]

ty for this btw this was insightful

if it helps, this person used lee jin-ho as a source 💀 and they linked me his video

lemme try to look for it in his video and see if thats where they got it from

[short laurel]

lee jin-ho was pro njz youtube lawyer or those hybe licking youtube lawyer ?

[vital orbit]

cyberwrecker allegedly

[short laurel]

then his source are edited, tampered.

[old cypress]

the creditor = ADOR

[upbeat stream]

He is the guy who leaked mhj's chats back in May 2024

[vital orbit]

yea thw issue is im not sure if this screenshot is from him tho.. gonna need tk ask them for og doc

ill look for the ss from his yt viseo

[short laurel]

if it's obvious know cyberwrecker. then anything they say = false.

[copper jetty]

Yeah ask them for the source. Like a naver article. People can edit ss.

[old cypress]

this text refers to the breach of trust charge mhj was accused of, but as we've seen the police cleared her a few days ago

[short laurel]

text also conveniently says only half of what MHJ initial injunction said. hybe keep doing that. keep on missing the part that hybe betrayed her too.

[copper jetty]

Court appeal? Do you mean the NJZ injunction appeal?

[old cypress]

the njz injunction appeal ruling

I'm not sure if any tokki translated it but if there's a translation you can get it and check if the contents match

[short laurel]

i'v been asking for it's translation since it came out. but noone did it

i have it downlaoded

[old cypress]

let's see if i can find it quickly

[heady gate]

I wouldn’t read a lawyer’s online article. The Korean justice system is unique. A South Korean judge’s decision can be influenced by a third party.

[old cypress]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1okS-1SqOUqiST1YleiTfZKWCWLit0WSAKWyKJSPlmAg/mobilebasic chatgpt translation, idk who translated it though

[short laurel]

thank you but for this i really wish we had proper translation.

[fluid ravine]

we love

[vital orbit]

pretty sure we already have a properly translated ver of this pinned dont we?

they dont seem like the same doc as the one theyre referring to though

[old cypress]

it's the original ruling, not the appeal

[vital orbit]

ahhh ty

[old cypress]

high court = appeal

i skimmed through it just now and it's mostly the same logic as the original injunction ruling

[vital orbit]

we love u for that THANK UUU

did soumu delay their next court hearing?

[copper jetty]

Yes

[sly python]

we're so back

[vital orbit]

losers

[hollow shore]

just reading some comments on the r/ site about BSH being referred to prosecution and of course people downplaying it saying it is no big deal, but MSH is not referred for prosecution and they also claim it doesn't mean anything. So much cope.

[narrow seal]

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https://twitter.com/PurplesCol25761/status/1945545006942491121
@gnarlyjeans Yes we do, new Jean's injuction hearing where ador presented ppt containing emails from mhj which she sent using company laptop where she's clearly seeking ways to threaten hybe, also
Her 'hybe sins' & 'project 1945' found during audit from hybe

[vital orbit]

what is this?????

[pulsar wasp]

Feeling good after MHJ’s results

Validates a lot for NJZ, right?

https://www.instagram.com/p/DMLF9VUTofx/?igsh=cWs2azltaXd5amE=

is @eyopkr biased journalism?

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NewJeans’ (@newjeans_official ) major brand deals have recently ended—most without renewal, and some with the group quietly replaced by new models.

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[heady gate]

Belift and SouMu have delayed MHJ's cases several times. Ador has never delayed NJ's main case.

I believe HYBE is confident in winning NJs' contract case but not in winning MHJ's cases.

[subtle matrix]

I've been thinking for a while that MHJ's shareholder's agreement case seems a likely W for her

[pulsar wasp]

making too much sense for my cope

[subtle matrix]

So that would make some sense. Although has there been any confirmation of who is requesting these delays?

There was some noise about the last delay being due to a change of MHJ's legal team

[waxen musk]

Saw another theory that Source is not confident in winning, but Belift is. Defamation can occur in Korea even if the truth is being told.

[frozen granite]

What are they chances of NJZ winning? Any opinions ??

Are we cooked? cooking? Or being delulu?

[waxen musk]

I think we’ll have a much better idea on how to answer that in a week.

[clear hill]

Does anyone have any idea on the status of the MHJ soumu and belift lawsuit? Is it still ongoing or has it been comluded?

[mild mist]

It is still ongoing

Or rather they are still ongoing

[fleet nebula]

checkings pins, belift due tomorrow, soumu delayed awaiting new date

[clear hill]

Ohhh okay. Hybe’s statement had me worried for a sec.

[fleet nebula]

delulu me: MHJ wins more, retakes ador, brings the girls back in, releases new music under newjeans name
realistic me: MHJ wins, girls case 50/50 depending on courts interpretation on feelings regarding breach of trust (so nuanced legally)

[clear hill]

I really hope everything works well for MHJ in the belift hearing. I know defamation in Korea is pretty strict but I’m so angry for Mhj and mhdhh. This entire year for the girls has been stripped away from them. While they get shunned away by the public and Hybe, what was supposed to be rightfully theirs has been stripped away by belift. They get to enjoy the fruits of someone else’s labour, hard work and passion. It’s such a cheap and lazy cop out to REAL creative direction—rooted in integrity.

[clear hill]

No better yet, mhj mhdhh join bana, win all rights and masters to newjeans, bsh goes to jail, Hybe has no hold on newjeans anymore, mhj wins lawsuit over source and belift and the ORIGINAL plan she had for newjeans just goes back to action. Belift gets replaced by a new creative director and illit’s brand identity gets separated entirely and they maintain their own brand identity. Source music and belift apologize to mhdhh and mhj. Laws get in place to have idols be considered as workers and source music stop treating their trainees like shit. If we’re gonna be delulu might as well go all out 😭🤷‍♀️

[feral tapir]

hope our delusions come to life

[fleet nebula]

whats a bana?

[clear hill]

A record label formed by old sm producers and idols. Frnk is part of bana and f(x) Krystal is also part of the label

Basically mhjs old colleagues from her sm days

[fleet nebula]

ooh, only reason I was wanting them to retake ador is coz I like the name 😄 obvs during that delulu retake she hires who she wants, breaks off from HYBEs control and is fully independent maybe merge with bana then. Banador? Adorana?

[clear hill]

Yea all doors one room is a nice name and I really liked the og ador team!!! Bana is just beast and natives alike, idk what it means tho 😭 but if mhj and mhdhh join bana I feel like it would be so amazing to see full creative freedom in a tight knit label that prioritizes creative integrity 🥲 I’m glad the girls would be loved and would thrive!

250 is also part of bana!! Just did more digging!!

[fleet nebula]

nice, our glorious producers

[onyx geyser]

what did source music do? sorry i don't really follow the drama that well anymore or I just forgot

[heady gate]

Source Music

GFriend (2015–2021; 2024–present)
Le Sserafim

Source Music used to train NJ, be4 they transferred to Ador.

[onyx geyser]

but why are they issuing an apology? where they supposed to be under source music?

[heady gate]

who is They? what apology?

[onyx geyser]

source music

the message i was replying to said source music should apologize to nj so im just asking what they did

[heady gate]

I ignore those messages asking about xyz apologize to NJ. It is a worthless statement.

[onyx geyser]

ah gotcha, thanks

[craggy skiff]

Love how hybe loud mouths about them will expose mhj messages in court then keep delay it

[steel depot]

what's up any updates

[clear hill]

Nooo they’re not issuing an apology, that was just my delulu scenario of how I want things to go out. But source music was called out by mhj in her press conference from August of last year.

She complained about the quality the trainees would live under and how they were treated.

This is all related bc before ador was assembled by mhj,the original label she was supposed to crate a gg under was bighit, then it went to source music. The girls were scouted from source music as trainees but by then they were already assembled and formed into a future gg lineup. It was 10 girls before.

But going back to the girls’ trainee days, minji’s mom once stated how she was allowed to visit Minji before when she was a trainee under source and how her dorm was infested with roaches and mould. Dani said early this year on an ig live how every room of their dorm had cameras as well as practice rooms and they had to take a picture of every meal they had. That’s why mhj bought them their own apartment so early in their career. The girls were super grateful clearly bc of the years of training they endured under Hybe.

[onyx geyser]

ohh i think i remember this

[clear hill]

Also she called out source music because originally bsh put the creation of a Hybe gg under mhj. Mhj was under the premise that her gg would be the first gg under Hybe but since lesserafim debuted first and bsh wasn’t sure her concept of a gg would succeed it got pushed back without a clear outcome of a debut

She also said in the press conference how bsh wanted her to take credit of forming lesserafim which was weird considering she had no role in the creation of lsrfm

[heady gate]

K-pop artists are not workers. Companies can abuse artists without consequences. The K-pop artists need to establish a union, but those K-pop associations will disapprove it.

[clear hill]

Yeah that will never happen unfortunately. Idols already know what they’re sacrificing by training and joining under an ent company, they are offered that “security” and “chance” of debuting by trading their livelihood and autonomy in return.

Unlike organized unions where recognized workers can unionize, idols have no security blanket due to them not being classified as workers under SK law.

Plus the work environment in SK is not really suitable for unions. I mean this is the country that treats firing employees wayyyy differently than most countries.

[old cypress]

idols don't really want to be workers because they're artists and get artist pay which is infinitely more profitable (if successful). What is needed is protection for artists/freelancers

[clear hill]

Plus the responsibility should fall on idols, it should be the chaebols and the Korean gov elites to establish that in the first place. This only gets slipped thru the laws because it’s not mandated in the first place

[heady gate]

SK news methodologies are not consisted as worker.

[clear hill]

I don’t really know how it works in SK but you’re right. Freelancers, self employed, artists, workers, regardless of their pay and contractual agreements I think as long as they are recognized as labour workers, I think they all deserve protection and rights that protect them from exploitation esp from major institutions and companies.

I’m from Canada so my understanding of how the law works is extremelyyyy different from how SK laws probably work 😭mb yall

[old cypress]

Idols are similar to partners. They invest 50/50 in the group with the company and share the profits 50/50 (roughly). Idols are basically cofounding the group with their company, except they have no control over how the group is being handled

[heady gate]

I am hoping the new labor minister can revise the Korea labor act.

[clear hill]

Yea exactly, sadly this disregards the nuances between a trainee with a contractual agreement and the record label which allows the concept of slave contracts in the first place. In theory it could work out in a fair share but due to the lack of artist protection they are basically company entities.

[heady gate]

Modern South Korea is a relatively new country, established after the Korean War. Its laws are not robust.

[old cypress]

The system is a bit complicated, there are many positives and negatives but overall, idols being essentially the company's property is indeed a huge problem

[heady gate]

NJ contract has 4 more years to go. It is a long time

[clear hill]

Yeah, it’s very nuanced and very specific to the idol industry and East Asian culture. It definitely wouldn’t work out in the west tho 😭

[fleet nebula]

depends if we believe the girls that it's terminated already so no time left to go

[heady gate]

It is up to the judge, not us.

[fleet nebula]

you know what I mean lol

[short laurel]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1945433009689350185?t=gdIsx1sOJhA4uOSoctNCFw&s=19
What happened?

🫧 (@catzkang)

he thinks njz will just go along with whatever he says, no questions asked. It’s like he thinks they’re that easy to manipulate, but he’s probably in for a surprise. 😭

X · Jul 16, 2025, 10:39 AM

[cinder narwhal]

https://fixupx.com/NJZBTS/status/1945428640587522512 😭

🐇 (@NJZBTS)

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[marsh roost]

Don't the termination fees become very small in less than 2 years from now? At least small enough they could pay them themselves without needing external investors

[marble cape]

is it true their sponsors are all expired? i mean i know it was bound to happen but i feel like hybe/ador using these delay tactics was on purpose

[hollow sorrel]

a supreme court case where the agency demanded penalties and the court denied it, because the amount was unreasonable

[red thorn]

Read the post before this post, only their personal opinion/assumption towards bsh

[short laurel]

I've always said this. Just cuz something in contract, doesn't means it's always legal. Contract if has illegal clause loses its legality. But most people don't know this or want to go through court for this so companies add illegal clauses to scare ppl.
I've personally seen it.
Many ppl even live of sueing companies over it n even tos, just not enough people.

[hollow sorrel]

Yeah and a lot of people like to spread these rumors that the contract termination fee is in the hundreds of billions but there’s no way the court would actually allow penalties that high for 5 people who were all minors when they went into the contract like it just doesn’t make sense to me

[heady gate]

The new SK president may use BSH's case as an example to the new financial oversight. 😅 Someone has to down.

[raven kelp]

any idea on what will happen if belift wins? i don't even remember what that lawsuit was for

[waxen musk]

I wish I knew how to answer that other than to say she would be fined.

I'm seeing a lot of people on Twitter post articles about what is going on with BSH, including finally talking about the National Pension Service. I will not look, but surely people in support of Hybe cannot still be ignoring this?

[subtle matrix]

Belift and Source lawsuits are both for defamation

[waxen musk]

MHJ seems to be having a good time if her song posts through her Stories are any indication.

Isn't MHJ also countering these defamation lawsuits with defamation, too? I'm wondering if both sides can "win", effectively cancelling out any large fines.

I hate having to ask because my memory is terrible and I don't know where to look to confirm for myself. A quick Google reminded me that she is in fact doing so.

Also isn't defamation not really proof of anything other than simply seeking damages from terrible public perception?

[subtle matrix]

Actually it's defamation and "business disruption" whatever that means. MHJ filed lawsuits (or criminal complaints?) against several HYBE/Belift execs for defamation but I think it's separate cases

[upbeat stream]

We are so back on korean twitter. So many hit tweets lately, many are not related to the mhj or bsh situation either. We had one horrible week right after injunction loss in March, there were so many misinformed hate tweets. However since then, nothing but love and support

Especially since Park Myung-soo said he misses newjeans

[waxen musk]

I really wonder if places like reddit can really switch up on BSH and MHJ eventually.

I don't really care, but at some point after everything has ended, if it doesn't happen that's insanity.

[upbeat stream]

Reddit is psychotic, I don't even care about them. Korean perception does matter, and it's good to see that hate tweets these days barely even get 100 likes and get ratioed easily by k-tokkis

[waxen musk]

I can still envision things like MHJ losing this Belift defamation lawsuit making things hell on Twitter again. And I think waiting one week for some indication on how the main lawsuit will progress is a wise move, before getting too excited.

[short laurel]

Depending on how court concludes the defamation mhj if lose can get lighter punishment. Like if court said that mhj did defame belift but what she said is true. Remember korea fines ppl on defamation even when it's true but with lighter fines

[short laurel]

Who was he?

[short laurel]

Yea seeing that it only lasted 1 week n died down. It was obvious there were trolls coming just to hate without knowing anything+ paid bots, n left after. Most ppl support njz.

[upbeat stream]

A comedian and host. He is beloved in korea and is one of their biggest celebrities. Just a tweet about him missing newjeans got 21k likes

Hyein on his show last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibud58Ar-30

[waxen musk]

I think some people really don't like him. But every interaction he's had with NJZ has been great and I want to watch that Hyein video again.

[short laurel]

Nice

[short laurel]

Well of someone is popular, they are bound to have haters.
Remember if u have hater, you made it.

[upbeat stream]

Every time foreign fans hate him, they end up looking foolish because their favs say they like him

[clear hill]

The actresses in kpop demon hunters also said a lot of nice things about the girls during promotions interviews!!!>.< when asked about who they think are demon hunters in kpop they said newjeans and said they are the cutest demon hunters! :3

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1945719862426272134

[clear hill]

Also it’s funny how bc of the njz hate train no one other than bunnies have pointed out that the shirts in the movie for huntrix were inspired by get up concept art. If it were any other gg it would be trending lol

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1752730739:d>

Article

July 17 2025

HYBE Chairman Bang Si-hyuk Accused of ₩400 Billion Fraudulent Trading—Are There Other Crimes?

Additionally, they should examine whether any illegal activities were committed against HYBE’s artists, including BTS. Bang is also known to own a luxury

Link👇

[upbeat stream]

Perhaps some of his humor doesn't land with foreign fans. The litmus test is korean female fans. If they notice that someone was being genuinely weird, they won't let it pass. I remember Wonyoung guested on Psick, a yt show, and the host was behaving oddly. K-dives were so pissed off yet I've never seen korean women of any fanbase be upset with him

[cinder narwhal]

open a can of worms weeeeee

[cinder narwhal]

I'm curious do you or have you ever consumed content or just focused on this war? do you listen to newjeans?

[mild mist]

If they win it affects the shareholders' agreement / unfair dismissal case

[copper jetty]

I'm riding along with you on opening that can. Weeeeeeee

[mild mist]

Are there other crimes?
Almost certainly tax fraud

[mild mist]

Probably not
It takes a lot to turn the hive mind and reddit users famously never admit that they have been wrong, ever.

[cosmic belfry]

The few that do comment always try to find alternative explanations or justifications for why things aren't going their way. At some point they just stop talking and pretend they never cared.

[short laurel]

Man, it would be crazy if he's found to have defrauded bts. Army reddit will be fun to c

[short laurel]

Korean humor, cultural differences. Intl foreigners can't understand it obviously

[short laurel]

I only listen to music n rarely watch other content. I m only in kpop for music.

Though been a while since i listened much of kpop ever since njz hiatus. More focused on j music

[bronze jetty]

iirc mys don’t like him cuz he was weird to winter

[short laurel]

Hmm i remember there being a comedian being weird to her. N it was really really weird n disgusting

[bronze jetty]

yeah park myungsoo 😭

[short laurel]

Dam this same dude? I hate him too.

[hoary frost]

r njz coming back ?

[royal patio]

Nothings confirmed, but i think mhj getting cleared helps njz validating their contract termination (?)

[feral tapir]

according to danielle's reaction his breath stank

[feral tapir]

what did he do to my shayla

[short laurel]

Episode was a parody on dating or something.

[feral tapir]

[copper jetty]

Guys I have a quick question regarding a comment I read, I remember in the injunction ruling that MHJ was found to have plans to break free from Hybe but she didn't go through with the plan, right?

I'm wondering now, does the police also indict just with the intent to breach trust?
Like for example, conspiracy is a crime in korea. And if that were the case here, if she was really guilty, she should've been indicted with conspiracy but wasn't.
Is my interpretation correct?

[short laurel]

N his wife had issue when he called winter pretty way be4 that episode last year.

[feral tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/red-flag-red-flags-guy-running-with-red-flag-ignoring-the-red-flags-man-running-with-red-flag-gif-9274875786215349752

[short laurel]

I only watch bit of episode cuz it was uncomfortable to watch

[feral tapir]

isnt he like 50

[short laurel]

N he called her prettiest idol he's seen irl.

[feral tapir]

he's 54

[feral tapir]

get this man away from women

[short laurel]

That comment ppl brush off as him complimenting her, which ig u can say it. N ppl brush off episode since it was parody. But that episode was the bit i watch uncomfortable watch.

[feral tapir]

i'll try to find it i havent seen it

is it the one from 13 days ago

[short laurel]

If it was criminal issue. It was civil issue so it doesn't matter. Companies do it all the time.

[short laurel]

From last year.

[copper jetty]

There was also a criminal case that was filed to the police, and that's what was dropped.

Am I confusing it??

[short laurel]

They filed criminal case but there wasn't any crime she commit. So it went no where as we know. It shouldn't even have lasted this long cuz as i said it was nvr a criminal issue but a civil issue. U can file criminal complaint for anything but that doesn't mean they are actually criminal issue. N police gets alot of criminal complaint over civil issues.

I m confused why police took so long.

If there was money laundering, one of allegations hybe throw at her, that would've been criminal issue.

But company takeover? So many companies do that all the time. It's the method they have to c if it's legal or not.

[copper jetty]

Yeah that's the thing, as per the injunction ruling the intent was there, planning etc but no action... cause it's literally impossible... and that's why she didn't go through with it...

Now people are arguing since this was quoted to the injunction that the "intent" was there...

But that contradicts the not guilty investigation by the police... since if the intent was there then the case would now be conspiracy to commit breach... as I searched that conspiracy is actually a crime in korea.

[short laurel]

Anyways i came here for this.
https://m.entertain.naver.com/home/article/144/0001054244

It's gaining traction

[short laurel]

Conspiracy means a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

What mhj n vp planned like i said didn't look like unlawful.

N court said if this action is mhj betraying hybe, than i forgot what it was but hybe too betrayed her.
Something along this.

[copper jetty]

Got it. Thanks!!

[upbeat stream]

Even if she had succeeded, I don't see how it could be illegal? Under what law? As long as no corporate espionage, insider trading, bribery or leak is involved

[clear hill]

What did mhj do exactly tho? I’m not sure what she did

I heard something about her making private deals w investors but I’m not sure

[short laurel]

"planned" ways to get ador independent from hybe. Which is not really possible with her shares. N vp planned it n she called him crazy for it.

[old cypress]

the only thing mhj has done is exploring options and entertaining thoughts

[clear hill]

Is there any screenshots of her kkt regarding this issue?

[short laurel]

Thegreatgaram posted it again recently.

[old cypress]

not crazy more like "amazing"

[upbeat stream]

I suppose that's what the police was investigating, not whether she made plans or not, or whether she went ahead with it or not

[short laurel]

No, she called him are you crazy or something

[clear hill]

Yea which is like me saying I wish insert person I hate would die when I’m crashing out but I don’t actually have plans on killing them or wishing death 😭

[old cypress]

she said daebak

[upbeat stream]

Taking over a company is by itself not illegal

[short laurel]

I only saw translation.

[clear hill]

I don’t use Twitter

[clear hill]

Wait wdym planned it?

Like they set her up?

[old cypress]

it's something like "if i were to kill X i would drop him into a pool filled with sharks" which is unrealistic. That's how the plan sounded like

[short laurel]

Mhj n old ador vp who is mhj's man(might be a hybe snake) planned it

[clear hill]

I don’t really know the context so I’ll trust you on that 😭

[old cypress]

there was no way for someone with 18% ownership to steal ownership from the 80%

[short laurel]

Also the so called investors name changed so many times by hybe 😂

[clear hill]

This makes me realize how little I actually know lmao. There is only so much info I can get without getting on Twitter

[old cypress]

I asked every single anti or "neutral" person for a year to come up with a way for mhj to take over ador, none of them managed to

[red thorn]

Perhaps you misremembering it with her response to Jeff Benjamin's chat regarding the tag pr material about her

[short laurel]

Yea. This is what i m keep emphasize.

[old cypress]

But even with investors, wtf are they supposed to do? Buy ador from hybe? Hybe would just say "haha no"

[short laurel]

Maybe. There's so many kkt chat with different translation 😭

Regardless the main point doesn't change

[old cypress]

you don't need the translation, it's written daebak. Daebak is a korean word that doens't rly need any translation like aegyo or annyeong haseyo

[short laurel]

Not everyone knows every korean words like that. I not really watch korean content outside music n novels(translated)

[clear hill]

Considering the existing tension between newjeans and Hybe i wouldn’t be surprised that she would shit talk and say outlandish things privately💀which is kinda crazy how their validity lies in simple shit talking

[short laurel]

I remember she did shit talk bsh. This one i m sure i not misremember. 😅

[subtle matrix]

It wouldn't be illegal in itself unless there were some other things like the ones you mentioned. At worst it would be a violation of her contract but going back to the first injunction the judge there ruled it wasn't a violation because she only had obligations towards ador not hybe and her actions wouldn't necessarily be damaging to ador

[clear hill]

Which probably made him fuming 😭😭that was probably the straw that broke the camels back for him lol

[old cypress]

the vp named the plan "project 1945", a reference to WW2 liberation of korea. It's pretty obvious that it wasn't a serious plan. And who the hell writes their criminal plan in a word document

[short laurel]

Also lets bring it again, why no one questioning why hybe saved it's employees private kkt.

[clear hill]

I can see why it looks bad but let’s be real mhj is calculated and has been in the industry for quite some time. If she were to actually act on it she would’ve went about it completely different 💀

[short laurel]

Actually not just any employee but a fellow shareholder of its subsidiary.

[short laurel]

Nha she's not much experienced in running company, she really did an amazing job with ador though.

[clear hill]

Yea it’s so weird too and I’m honestly shocked at the audacity after Hybe tried to forge fake kkt messages between hanni and mhj as evidence for one of their hearings

[old cypress]

it's not exactly fake but stitched up

[clear hill]

Regardless I think shes pretty familiar with the industry to know not pull some shit like that hypothetically speaking

[clear hill]

Yea but they still manipulated with the original evidence

[old cypress]

I'm not sure hybe submitted these convos to the court actually

bc in the injunction reports i don't remember the judge mentioning any of this

[short laurel]

These were leaked when? By that cyberwrecker?

[old cypress]

yeah but i don't think they were actual submitted evidence

just leaked as "submitted evidence" to make people believe that it must be true

[clear hill]

Ohhh okay

[short laurel]

Yea we not really have what exactly they shared in court. Just whatever kkt tgey submitted were rejected

[old cypress]

take it with a grain of salt, i'm going off from what i remember from the injunction rulings

[clear hill]

What about the wrong cctv footage Hybe showed in court?

Or ador I should say

[old cypress]

it didn't really matter since the cctv had no audio. And the judge noted that illit still greeted newjeans so surely they weren't told to ignore newjeans

and since ador (under mhj) protested to belift and checked the footage etc, the judge concluded that ador did its job protecting newjeans

the judge basically acted that ador with or without MHJ is the same entity. So MHJ protecting newjeans = ador protecting newjeans = no breach of trust

So even if illit's manager told illit to ignore newjeans, it doesn't change anything since ador did its job protesting and protecting newjeans as much as they could.

[old cypress]

but to reply to your question, hybe did show the cctv footage since the judge talked about it

and the judge does know it's not the right footage but it didn't matter much anyway

[clear hill]

Hmmm I see. That doesn’t make sense tho bc that was before new management so idk how they can come to that conclusion if that was during mhj

[old cypress]

The judge doesn't make a difference between old management and new management. Both are ADOR

[short laurel]

Hanni complaint was not even that. Hanni did said that illit greeted her back, she only had problem with manager. Also she just said as 1 of many small things, it's ppl who blow it up n hanni posted something about it after that.

[old cypress]

hybe did it, they kept saying "illit DID greet hanni" and mediaplayed it everywhere

[short laurel]

Yea it's one of the points njz lawyers are stressing on in court.

[short laurel]

Yes they kept distracting the main issue

[clear hill]

That’s so dumb tbh. If adors argument that njz can survive without mhj then why would the judge ignore that

[waxen musk]

It's never been about the incident itself. It's about how it was handled after the fact. ADOR just didn't even try to help Hanni with it. And as I'm sure you're aware, things got handled worse and worse and time went on.

[old cypress]

yeah that's why the injunction ruling is bullshit

[waxen musk]

It is frustrating how much focus that incident got and people have blinders on and don't understand it's part of a larger picture.

[old cypress]

the illit one? MHJ was in charge and she and ador did help hanni. They went to the security office to secure footage and all

[clear hill]

Yea i think we all know, media play just pushed the narrative that hanni wants out of ador because illit didn’t greet her when it’s about how it was handled and her general treatment of Hybe staff (belift manager,ador ceo)

[waxen musk]

Yeah I know that. I explained poorly/missed out the history of before/after MHJ's involvement.

[short laurel]

It was after mhj got kicked that ador did something iirl

[old cypress]

no whole thing happened in may/june. MHJ got fired late august

Hanni mentioned the incident in september iirc which is why it felt like it happened after mhj left

[short laurel]

Ooh. That new ador ceo lady is hybes hr so ig that's why she was involved in it. Makes sense now

[waxen musk]

Either way the whole situation has been handled so strangely and suspiciously. They're treating it like a major crime that they're trying to cover up.

Yeah KJY was HR and was used as an example of barely helping before she became CEO. And then when she was CEO she continued to be extremely unhelpful.

[short laurel]

Still is i think

[waxen musk]

It's so easy to make the details seem wrong from me omitting saying everything. There's a lot of small details. I think we can all explain what happened but can't be bothered to write so much about something that's been explained over and over for such a long time.

[old cypress]

yeah but in the end not much happened while KYJ was CEO. Newjeans left pretty fast and didn't really give ador any chance to truly damage them

the ribbon incident is the only memorable thing i can come up with but that happened after newjeans terminated

[clear hill]

Yeah like the sudden resignation of the security guard.. very suspicious

[waxen musk]

I want to find the list of things causing major distrust. Because when we discuss one or two incidents it doesn't seem like much. There's such a long list. But yeah the timeline has always been hazy because so much happened in a short period of time and it's been a while and so much has happened since.

[old cypress]

njz might have won the injunction if they stayed longer at ador and documented more mistreatment coming from fraudor

[clear hill]

I feel like the long pre-planned hiatus should’ve been regarded as well tho. That was after mhj got fired right?

[old cypress]

the judge said that since it's hybe who told newjeans this, it doesn't count since ador isn't involved

[short laurel]

Legal things are so messy. Hybe being major shareholder can put their will on ador, yet it's rejected by court

[clear hill]

Yea but let’s face it the problem isn’t with ador but Hybe itself. Since there’s a clear distinction between ador and Hybe as separate companies it gets dismissed

[clear hill]

Exactly, I just wish the judge wouldn’t rule Hybe out

[short laurel]

That's another thing they have to prove, with hybe replacing board members with its people, ador is basically hybe's puppet

[clear hill]

Since it’s Hybe orders there’s nothing ador can really do even w mhjs involvement. I feel like Hybe not being taken into consideration in this whole legal battle is just an obvious loophole that Hybe is clearly taking advantage of

Like honestly the whole sub-labels thing is so confusing to me, they’re all Hybe as far as I’m concerned😭

[royal patio]

LMAO thats what i was thinking

https://x.com/retrokki/status/1945782567786983660?s=61

nati ୨୧ (@retrokki)

a tokki with this pfp showed up on my fyp but i didn’t notice at first. i liked the video/edit and then realized she had THAT pfp… i got chills and unliked so fast 😭 then i checked her account, confirmed she was 100% a tokki… and i liked again. and followed her 😭

X · Jul 17, 2025, 9:48 AM

poor tokkis 😭

[short laurel]

https://x.com/takoyakiOtter/status/1945840948577231152 this too T_T

not good at photoshop (@takoyakiOtter)

this one too🤣🤣

X · Jul 17, 2025, 1:40 PM

[mild mist]

the point of that was to show that if they hadn't deleted the footage, they still wouldn't have been able to prove or disprove anything due to the camera angle and lack of audio

[red thorn]

New board directors that in charge of handling the case especially kjy, belift's side kept saying min's side bla bla bla in their statement while in reality she was barely in the picture bc she was extremely busy as the girls for japan, so mainly it was parents vs ador new bod feat. Belift (they're the first initiated cctv as evidence that parents didn't even aware of the existence), it was suspicious

[last cobalt]

ahhaha

[frozen granite]

Im confused at the last sentence … what does it mean?

“So it does not signify a final resolution ?”

[waxen musk]

I don't understand it either. But on Twitter, people are complaining about the full Billboard article as it contains several factually false statements.

[mild mist]

well who else would refer the case to the prosecution service if not the polis?

'police will drop complaints' - no they won't. They're not their complaints to drop

[old cypress]

billboard is repeating what hybe said about filing an objection etc

https://www.billboard.com/pro/hybe-min-hee-jin-police-drop-criminal-complaints/ you can read the full article here

[frozen granite]

But someone on here said it’s not legal possible for them to file an objection?

[old cypress]

yeah hybe lied but billboard is just parroting hybe's mediaplay without any factchecking it seems

[frozen granite]

Oh ok thanks

[mild mist]

hybe said "new developments have occurred since the investigation" - so then surely you have to file a new case

[frozen granite]

I wonder what else did they find then? So this thing with mhj is not over ?

[mild mist]

"The police’s decision not to indict stands in contrast to the court’s rejection of NewJeans’ request to overturn an injunction" - no it doesn't, they're separate cases

sorry for ranting but whoever wrote this is a plank
no wonder they didn't put their name to it

[old cypress]

the earlier version of the article had this lol

[frozen granite]

Is the legal battle between Hybe & mhj over?

[mild mist]

not even close

[old cypress]

no it isn't

[heady gate]

no

[mild mist]

yay more legal fanfiction

[frozen granite]

What else is there ? Besides belift & the other one one

[heady gate]

September 11 - MHJ's 4th hearing for the shareholders' agreement

[mild mist]

#1231839760759263232 message

dunno we haven't seen the document

[heady gate]

nothing is instant win against HYBE.

NJZ main case is on July 24. just 7 days

[subtle matrix]

Not a lawyer obviously but definitely not imo. Same case but completely different legal context

It's a good indication for MHJ though and I think she has good odds of winning the shareholder agreement lawsuit

[cinder narwhal]

what would she get from winning that?

does she get the money she's owed? reinstatement?

[subtle matrix]

Shitload of money

[cinder narwhal]

enough to make another agency?

[heady gate]

This means HYBE would have to pay Min Heejin US$75 - US$100 million (according to analyst estimates) from November 2024 if she exercised the options

[heady gate]

Read this post if you want to https://www.reddit.com/r/NJZ/comments/1jq0ycm/understanding_mhjs_contract_and_the_financial/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[cinder narwhal]

is this still based on newjeans potential earnings? wouldn't it have gone down by now? or is it still calculated from nov 2024 forecast?

[cinder narwhal]

ty will read when i have more time

[subtle matrix]

It would most likely be calculated from the earliest moment she could've exercised the option I guess

[cosmic belfry]

She exercised it in November 2024 and it was valued at 26 Billion KRW or 18.69m USD. There is a lawsuit over the Shareholder's agreement so that needs to be resolved in her favor for that to happen. The valuation was based on the last two years, 2022 and 2023. 2022 had a loss of 4 billion KRW and 2023 had an operating profit of 33.5 billion KRW. She was projected to make more if we were to include 2023 and 2024 instead but she was basically forced to exercise it last year.

[shut kelp]

damn so njz lost their nike deal

[copper jetty]

I think most of their deals and contracts would be lost. We already expected this since they're on hiatus and literally not able to do any promo.

MHJ vs Belift case today.

[red thorn]

If it's individual contract probably it would less difficult deal
But if it's using group image, at this time would be difficult

[copper jetty]

Nike is group tho..

[shut kelp]

i saw someone say it earlier and i agree that hybe delayed the court stuff for this exact reason

[red thorn]

Yes, what I'm saying even let's say the brand/sponsor still want continue using group, the situation is difficult. Individual contract won't really need sponsor to use NJ brand which is ador's ip

[shut kelp]

hopefully when they come back they could get their sponsors back

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1946036884880437514

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

MHJ vs Soumu + Belift hearing today.

X · Jul 18, 2025, 2:38 AM

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1946037431473725588

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

@y2niniz_ seems like the court said "no...we're still doing this"
"On the afternoon of the 18th, the 12th Civil Affairs Department of the Seoul Western District Court will hold the third oral argument for the 2.5B krw damages lawsuit filed by HYBE Labels against former CEO Min Hee-jin."

X · Jul 18, 2025, 2:40 AM

[copper jetty]

Well won't expect any news whatsoever.

[frozen granite]

Why are people on TikTok spreading misinformation that NJZ is back if they haven’t had their other hearing ?

[cosmic belfry]

because no one does their own research

[copper jetty]

Well people switched up on newjeans there that's why... since the MHJ investigation result and people want NJS music, plus without research... that's what u get.

[red thorn]

Far too early hype to celebrate

[frozen granite]

I’ll be praying for a w for MHJ

[frozen granite]

I always think your pfp is a golden labrador dog for a quick second

[copper jetty]

Yeah I'm also praying for that and with NJS... and I'm not even religious.

[craggy skiff]

one more reason is our fandom is depression too long. From one failure to another, the belief that we will ever see the girl again(soon) decreases day by day.
mhj news is shine their hope about a comeback

[clear hill]

The calculated manipulation of the circumstances on Hybe’s end is sooo... like obviously impossible to prove in court because it’s not illegal but they are clearly trying to damage/hurt the group as much as possible

[clear hill]

People just want to cling to any bit of hope that the girls are back, even if it’s not true

Also unrelated but there’s this one guy who called out the similarities between his mv and illit’s Jellyous mv and ofc kpop stans are attacking him.. I feel so bad bc they’ve gone far as to report him to Nintendo and just spam his social medias with hate everywhere

The funny thing is the creative director follows the guy on insta... clearly the belift cd has a history and mindless stans are attacking small indie creatives relentlessly it’s sad

[red thorn]

I saw that

[copper jetty]

It's not even the first time they did this... Belift has the history of doing this.

1. Kelley Sweeney's choreography that was used (later she was credited because she called them out)
2. A small artist where Belift used and their music (edited it so it was somewhat different but fundamental beats were the same, forgot who) used by their BG in an award show.
3. This situation you described.

They scour the internet for ideas and don't even credit the original creators.

It's not a one off instance. It's a pattern now...

[clear hill]

I saw the first one too.. like how did they even get away with that??? That was the beginning of illit’s debut too which they somehow blamed mhj for ruining their reputation when in reality the creative director just copies off of smaller/independent creatives. I’m not sure if the choreographer did anything about it but the fact that people keep denying the blatant plagiarism or just hardcore “inspiration” at the very least when there’s an obvious history of this way beyond mhj.

[clear hill]

The sad thing is that’s his obvious niche, he does concept art mainly that retro, fruriger metro/aero, video game style which has always been associated w newjeans (ik people say this concept doesn’t belong to newjeans,no shit concepts don’t belong to anyone but people wanna ignore the blatant creative direction that started 5th gen) and that doesn’t really help belift’s case 😭

[short laurel]

Belift with enhypen plagiarised someone's fonts. She asked for compensation, later end up working with the group on future projects. It's common for belift.

[short laurel]

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/south-koreas-top-court-clears-samsung-chairman-lee-2015-merger-fraud-case-2025-07-17/

Now i m worried shh ...

[copper jetty]

[half knot]

lol don't compare Samsung's chairman treatment vs. some low level nuChaebol like BSH

[short laurel]

Still it's top court. Smh

[rugged dagger]

is somu still soon

[silver warren]

Omfg can I just rant how it’s SOOO annoying that tiktok tokkis are thing the MHJ vs hybe is NJZ vs hybe and are thinking that they won

AND the bitches who were hating on them during this whole time is now switching up?!

[hollow sorrel]

Here is the evidence of Mhj “trying to take over ADOR”

the screenshots are from @thegreatgaram on twitter

They might be more, but I honestly think if there was HYBE or Lee Jinho would have leaked it

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/catzkang/status/1946092813835485420

[narrow seal]

250718 🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1946092813835485420
At the second hearing held in May, Min Heejin’s side argued that the KakaoTalk messages were obtained illegally. The third hearing, was also initially planned for today. However, this hearing has been rescheduled to August 22.

http://m.stoo.com/article.php?aid=101568411813#_PA

[static oriole]

when is nwjns first hearing ?

i thought it was today ?

[hollow sorrel]

It's on the 24th but it's their third hearing

[waxen musk]

Belift is still happening today? It's getting late.

I've updated the schedule for Source vs MHJ.

[mild mist]

#1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

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from Ryujin#2857

250718 🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1946092813835485420
At the second hearing held in May, Min Heejin’s side argued that the KakaoTalk messages were obtained illegally. The third hearing, was also initially planned for today. However, this hearing has been rescheduled to August 22.

http://m.stoo.com/article.php?aid=101568411813#_PA
[Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[waxen musk]

Isn’t it just source that got delayed?

Belift today. Source August 22.

[hollow sorrel]

its already 5 pm and no news

[silver warren]

“Are you that out of touch with reality?” Clock it

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1946131608635154939?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

🫧 (@catzkang)

BELIFT LAB : "This idea that Min Heejin is involved in everything is problematic. If ILLIT is considered plagiarism, then NewJeans could also be seen as just a copy."

https://t.co/2n1ulkLrWf

X · Jul 18, 2025, 8:55 AM

http://m.stoo.com/article.php?aid=101571036964#_PA

Min Heejin’s side:

“We raised the issue of ILLIT’s concept overlapping with NewJeans as an internal matter, but HYBE carried out an illegal audit instead. Our press conference and statements were a defensive measure to reveal the true cause of HYBE’s audit.

This case is about defamation and interference with business, but BELIFT is trying to turn it into a copyright infringement case by using terms like ‘copying’ and ‘plagiarism.’
This is not a case that hinges on whether there was copyright infringement.
‘Copying’ is not the same as copyright violation. The plaintiffs and defendants are mixing up the terms to mislead the core issue of the case.
The courts have already determined in prior rulings that concept copying is not equivalent to copyright infringement.

We cannot deny that the similarities are extremely strong, to the point that denying imitation is implausible.
Between NewJeans and ILLIT, there are so many similarities that it is impossible to explain them as coincidental.

Even before Min Hee-jin publicly criticized the similarities, the media, general public, and entertainment industry had already pointed out the resemblance between NewJeans and ILLIT’s ‘copying.

As soon as ILLIT’s teaser was released, the common reaction was, ‘I thought they were NewJeans.’

The visuals were so similar that people unfamiliar with K-pop couldn’t tell the groups apart.

International fans reacted with comments like, ‘They just remind me of NewJeans.’

Critics have also said, **‘It feels like a group trying to imitate Min Hee-jin’s girl group style.’”

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/minotaurkard/status/1946133656176844958?s=46

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

Belift basically had a video part 2 session at the trial today. Basically if their GG is considered copying then NJZ can also be considered as copying. MHJs side had a rebuttal saying this is not a lawsuit over copyright but of defamation

X · Jul 18, 2025, 9:03 AM

They are embarrassing

[cobalt zodiac]

One message removed from a suspended account.

One message removed from a suspended account.

[hollow sorrel]

they are basically trying to say "if Mhj wins this case that means no concepts in kpop are original"

but the case is about defamation

[waxen musk]

I think they can win a defamation case… but it seems they’re not even trying to win that part and want to argue about other things.

[craggy skiff]

they just want to keep the processing as long as possible.
since the police investigation result not going well with them, I thought they just try anything to not let mhj case have a result, as not give njz more advantage

[hollow sorrel]

also the way they keep mentioning the injunction results is really suspicious to me like maybe they did influence the court's decision

after mhj was found not guilty -- > HYBE press release saying "the court in the injunction already recognized suspicious behavior from MHJ"

during the belift lab lawsuit --> BELIFT LAB saying "the court in the injunction already declared ILLIT didn't plagiarize NewJeans"

[orchid field]

Slippery slope fallacy lol

[hollow sorrel]

but do they not realize that it was one of the many things brought up in the injunction? the injunction took 3-6 weeks total while these separate lawsuits and police investigations are taking months and go much more into detail?

[waxen musk]

That’s why the main case is so important. But for now all they’re gonna do is reference whatever benefits them from previous judgements. I’m hoping things change over time.

This defamation stuff is really not that important. But it’s interesting to see if and when any details come out of it. Which hasn’t really happened yet. It’s just stupid stuff at the moment.

[hollow sorrel]

also I find it funny that its a defamation and obstruction of business lawsuit but then they start bragging about ILLIT’s success saying that:

“if they were a copy of someone would they break international and domestic records”

[brazen ice]

💀

[waxen musk]

What are they even trying to prove in a fucking court by saying that. It’s so dumb.

These Hybe labels are just going to use the stupidity of their own fans’ arguments they’ve seen on Twitter a million times and that we’ve encountered and clarified against a million times in this very discord server. Except they’re doing it in the courts.

We can repeat it a thousand times but copying between groups isn’t an issue in general, but copying with the intent to replace within the same company obviously is an issue.

[hollow sorrel]

literally that

when I saw them saying “newjeans concept is y2k”

like that’s a classic argument you can find on twitter 100000 times, but it doesn’t make it any more true?

[waxen musk]

I’m sure we’re all bored of seeing the same things repeated. It’s really funny to see it being repeated in court now.

[hollow sorrel]

my fav Y2K hiphop concepts !!!

[red thorn]

"they don't own the bla bla bla"
"x group did it before"

[waxen musk]

So anyway these seemed like another waste of time. Another hearing to come? Or decision to come?

[hollow sorrel]

nobody is saying anything about when the next hearing will be

I kinda want witness testimonies from ILLIT's producers next though I feel like there would be some funny slip ups

[old cypress]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1946134535512719737

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

Belifts ILLIT rep mentioning

hearts2hearts
chungha
ive
gd
kissoflife
aespa
jennie
bts
itzy
hyorin
over a defamation suit

it really is video pt 2

X · Jul 18, 2025, 9:06 AM

fans are gonna blame mhj for mentioning their groups again

[hollow sorrel]

~t https://x.com/njzwinsallcases/status/1946141578483118408?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

[narrow seal]

250718 👖 (@​NJZWinsAllCases) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NJZWinsAllCases/status/1946141578483118408
🚨7/18. “According to a former HYBE employee, just before ILLIT’s final debut lineup was confirmed, Belift Lab secretly obtained NewJeans’ planning documents and used them to create ILLIT’s concept. From the moment ILLIT was unveiled, there were immediate claims of similarities between the two groups. In an effort to protect the value of NewJeans, the defendant(MHJ) attempted to address the issue internally by sending two emails to HYBE, but received no response. Instead, HYBE initiated an illegal audit. On the very same day the audit began, a wave of negative press against the defendant was released, as if the outcome had already been predetermined,” said the former ADOR CEO’s side.

[hoary frost]

The "if I did it, he did it too" argument

[waxen musk]

Belift continues to copy even in the courts. Copying Twitter arguments this time.

It's crazy how old these arguments are as well. This all started when MHJ explained everything in her first press conference. It's funny.

I was very understanding that a possible DEFAMATION win for Belift was possible. But after this... I'm starting to feel more confident for MHJ.

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1946139644393046301

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy)

The next hearing between MHJ and Belift is scheduled on Oct. 31, 4pm

X · Jul 18, 2025, 9:27 AM

Not sure on source. But to have this drag on into basically November is disgusting.

[short laurel]

Some ppl can't tell the difference between inspiration n copying. It's a common problem among kpop executives, especially hybe n sm.

[waxen musk]

Source: https://x.com/catzkang/status/1946149942277623876

🫧 (@catzkang)

MHJ VS BELIFT LAB

The next hearing has been scheduled for October 31, 2025.

https://t.co/aKLuZAeQCM

X · Jul 18, 2025, 10:07 AM

[short laurel]

https://x.com/SpunkypeZZa/status/1946140029044039965?t=LdV_FHMZ73Q5_oLgiXQXhw&s=19

The fact that this is exactly what belift did in their disgusting video last year

☈ gorgz🧢 (@SpunkypeZZa)

@MinotaurKard im starting to believe that Belift got their sources from antis here theyr not serious at all

X · Jul 18, 2025, 9:28 AM

[waxen musk]

Why more than three month gap this time? Hopefully a lot will happen with the main lawsuit between now and then.

I feel like the more things are determined in the main lawsuit, the more it should help everything else move along more quickly.

[hollow sorrel]

I wonder if sejong will counter the arguments of belift (for example when they edited the hanbok pictures of a bunch of other kpop groups to make them more colorful and fit their narrative that before NJZ a lot of other groups were doing hanbok pictures)

[mild mist]

You just need to hope that the judge turns round to say "Sir, this is a Wendy's defamation case"

[waxen musk]

Pinned schedule updated.

[short laurel]

The fact that newjeans concept is not just y2k.

[bronze talon]

Your avg "whataboutism"
Imagine you wanna apply that on something that is in your own company 😭

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/bluejeanznj/status/1946150005909430416

Positive tokki (@bluejeanznj)

If I had to explain it in cooking terms:
Min Hee Jin carefully gathered fresh vegetables, rare spices, and premium cuts of meat to create a one-of-a-kind chicken curry.
Then Bethief came along, stole a scoop of that curry, diluted it with water, and served.

X · Jul 18, 2025, 10:08 AM

[red thorn]

The creative expression/materialized idea what matters, they all share same concept and same/different idea those are fine but if the creative expression and finalized output is very similar then that's not fine, that's the case with illit and nj hanbook pictorial
NJ if not the first, was the first with that kind photoshoot idea and expression, and illit one has similar creative expression and idea

[waxen musk]

What was the point of that first injunction way back when? So much was said in defence of MHJ in that injunction which has since been completely ignored.
If that injunction has been ignored so easily, how come the injunction halting NJZ is seen as so much more important for current and future hearings?

This was also acknowledged by the court in the first injunction. “Around the time of I's debut, there were public opinions suggesting that I's concept, choreography, and styling were similar to those of E.”

Also that bloody planning document seems like the holy grail in terms of proving MHJ's side in this argument, I'm surprised it isn't more of a focus in what we've been hearing in the courts.

[red thorn]

Yeah mhj's side need to prove belift's intention bc it's clear not about copyright infringement

[subtle matrix]

Honestly people took the fact that MHJ won that injunction regarding being kicked out as CEO and just pretended that it validated a bunch of stuff for MHJ that it really didn't

e.g. for a long time people used that injunction win to "prove" that MHJ was right about illit copying when the ruling makes no such judgement

[still badge]

Guys I'm so confused I'm seeing like reddit posts of NJZ fans hating mhj and talking about how she did very wrong things with NJZ but as far as I know NJZ support her? Pls help bc I still know so little ab this I just remember seeing some of this stuff earlier on and being like oh ig mhj is not good? But then I couldn't be more wrong and was corrected and found out that NJZ actually like mhj and mhj is not in any way against the group and I felt so ashamed for not knowing so anyway I see reddits posts like these and they confuse me like are parts of the fanbase split between hating and supporting mhj I genuinely don't know so pls help

[old cypress]

reddit is the worst place

[still badge]

Oh 100%

Like I'm not even gonna repeat what they said ab mhj bc it's like very disturbing

[bronze talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dante-dante-dmc-dante-devil-may-cry-devil-may-cry-dmc-gif-292944903311325271

[mild mist]

Remember that people on reddit lie, so the ones claiming to be fans are probably not, and are more than likely just stirring

[rugged dagger]

its sad how often someone that has been led on by misinformation will come in here and ask questions. it just goes to show you how much the lies have propagated

[old cypress]

army is the biggest kpop fanbase everywhere and that includes reddit, so anti-njz takes tend to be massively upvoted and it creates an echo chamber

[still badge]

Real

[old cypress]

not to mention that Tag PR is notoriously active on reddit

[still badge]

Also I keep hearing like really not good things ab army are they like a horrible fanbase

[rugged dagger]

its like a cult atp

[waxen musk]

I've already said I strongly feel like we've lost the war on misinformation. It's sad. When it's a few accounts on Twitter or an almost-hidden thread in this server that are relied upon to spread the truth, then it's tough.

[old cypress]

doesn't help that most tokkis did absolutely nothing and decided to hate on mhj and pretend that it was "a fight between greedy adults" and that newjeans were better off without her

only when tokkis realized they wouldn't get any more entertainment from newjeans that they switched up

[waxen musk]

I'm scared to look back at my comments on April 22. We were all angry at her. That is until we slowly learned what really happened and she had her press conference. Some people (understandably) will not watch a 2 hour press conference from over a year ago.

[still badge]

I literally had no idea I feel so stupid looking back

[upbeat stream]

For some reason newjeans still seems to be ok on twitter though. If you ever see someone hating nwjns on twitter, it's almost always from one of those 3 fandoms. Everyone else likes them, but on other platforms it's pretty bad for us

[orchid field]

Not me tho i had 100% faith in her

Ador janitor real as fuck day 1 its crazy how people couldnt smell its a smear campaign from hybe they had no legitimate reason to audit her publicly

WHO even gets audited publicly like that nevermind in kpop alone

[waxen musk]

It's already clear most people don't care about the terrible people involved in the groups they may be fans of. So it's funny when so many people are so against what NJZ and MHJ were doing based on media play and are so against them, all the while ignoring whatever shit is going on under their nose.

[old cypress]

I wasn't. I kept saying that mhj was protecting newjeans all along

got a lot of flak for this

[waxen musk]

I remember being so confused and angry, but I'm pretty sure it was only for 1-3 days max. I think a lot of people forget they may--even for less than a day--were the same. It's fine though. Takes a while to figure out what's really going on. We're all quick to react.

[still badge]

I just saw posts from NJZ fans being like "mhj treated njz wrong!" and I just thought oh ig this is the classic case of evil label or ceo vs artist thing but only recently I found that's literally not the case I'm now scared of how I consume information and how certain fans spread it bc wth

[old cypress]

the most damning thing was that a lot of tokkis seemed to believe that newjeans are 5 dumb girls who got groomed

[still badge]

That's on me tho like I didn't say anything hateful but I still feel stupid

[waxen musk]

I basically question everything I'm ever presented with on the internet. I've become so distrustful of basically everything. Especially quick-to-consume media like TikTok.

[still badge]

I'm actually a sheep

[rugged dagger]

that's one more thing newjeans has done for us

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/njzbam/status/1946183676435296515?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

yb (@NJZBAM)

The court explained, “The plaintiff claims criminal obstruction of business, but under the law, such interference must be intentional. Concrete evidence showing that the interference was intentional is likely necessary.”

X · Jul 18, 2025, 12:22 PM

[waxen musk]

Well NJZ didn't do that for me, I was already like that, but it sure reinforced it into almost paranoia.

[hollow sorrel]

I'm crying they actually have no proof of obstruction of business

[upbeat stream]

Yeah I've long been distrustful of mainstream media

[orchid field]

Whole time hybe, source music and belift were all grasping at imaginary straws

[upbeat stream]

This is from the 1st hearing, right? I vaguely remember

[hollow sorrel]

wait you're right this article was published in january oops

[mild mist]

Why do the twitter people never post their sources

[hollow sorrel]

I thought it was said during today's hearing mb

[rugged dagger]

btw who is the defendant here. i dont remember who started this one

oh this one is old. im asking about mhj vs belift lol

[still badge]

What's belift guys

[old cypress]

illit's company

[still badge]

Ohh I thought illit was also with hybe and ador for some reason

[upbeat stream]

I am honestly not that interested in mhj's defamation cases. The two I am following are nwjns main lawsuit obviously and mhj's shareholders agreement lawsuit

[old cypress]

belfit is a sublabel like ador and source music

[still badge]

Also can someone also explain to me the illit vs NJZ thing what's that ab

[old cypress]

yeah the soumu and belift cases are kind of pointless I think

[hollow sorrel]

min heejin is the defendant

[orchid field]

Ya its so pointless they are just charging her to make her look bad publicly

[old cypress]

to make her spend money in expensive legal fees. That's why they kept delaying again and again

[rugged dagger]

cool thanks

[onyx geyser]

the copying allegations or the ignore her situation?

[empty halo]

and mhj and njz got accused of dragging random unrelated groups into their issues w Hybe. this is gonna get 0 backlash btw, even by fans of those groups

[old cypress]

they're running the eiffel tower story atm

[onyx geyser]

wait is the case happening like right now?

[old cypress]

it happened

[empty halo]

whats the Eiffel Tower story

[old cypress]

belift claimed that mhj said that taking pictures in front of the eiffel tower is plagiarizing newjeans

[waxen musk]

lol what how have I never heard of this?

[old cypress]

it's happening right now. Kmedia running with it

[waxen musk]

I don't understand

[empty halo]

mhj having investigations on her dropped is good for her reputation in kr, this Eiffel tower bs is an attempt to counter that. I doubt it'll work, Korean people go with whatever the authorities claim lmao

[short laurel]

Quite clearly it was hybe n belift who obstructed old ador's business.

[still badge]

The copying allegations

[onyx geyser]

oh well basically mhj accused belift of copying her to form illit

[still badge]

Ohh okok

[old cypress]

I mean, it's from today's court hearing

[icy kernel]

A sheep doesn't put in extra effort to do their own research and reassess their beliefs.

I'm glad that you're asking both easy and difficult questions. You should be proud of yourself!

[short laurel]

Internally. Hybe made it public.

My brain is confused by what belift is trying to do. Is it a defamation case or plagiarism case. If they wanna go about plagiarism why court not starting from internal mail by mhj to hybe

[onyx geyser]

yeah mb

also i think its defamation

[heady gate]

I just logon and saw a lot of posts are about the Belief court case.

[short laurel]

Also when we getting more on why belift had mhj planning documents.

[onyx geyser]

just dont read it from twitter🌚

[heady gate]

Yea, I am not going to read it. Too much work. I will wait a few days

[royal patio]

I hate how this is so disregarded like people are so quick to hate on MHJ for bringing up this but like are we forgetting hybe is the one who made all of this public…? and like the blueprint too like sure lets ignore that

I cant wait for when the truth comes out

[bitter prism]

Let's js hope for better outcomes

[craggy skiff]

Feel good since i never blame her for all the shjt happened last year

[royal patio]

I remember i was trying to gaslight myself into disliking her like everyone else but i really couldn’t understand why..

Everyone was jumping to conclusions too like wdym mhj had something to do with youngseos departure?

[onyx geyser]

i respect her but i think she's definitely done some weird things🤷‍♂️

[royal patio]

Thats fair. I’d say im mostly neutral but if the girls support her then I do

[fierce cloak]

People projecting their own ignorance and distortion to this woman without understanding the truth, who she is, what's the situation she's in. It's never about whether she did anything wrong, but it's you is the problem. Look at yourself first.

"She did weird things." - is just you trying to defend yourself from your own mistakes.

[empty halo]

*x
https://x.com/allkpop/status/1946148843868844253?t=zSqi2964U0Lcmfhmi6qZ7A&s=19

allkpop (@allkpop)

#ILLIT’s agency refutes plagiarism claims, "If ILLIT is a copy of #NewJeans, then NewJeans is just a copy of #GFriend"
https://t.co/18J88IomxJ

X · Jul 18, 2025, 10:03 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1946148843868844253 does not contain any media!

[empty halo]

oh 💀

[empty halo]

anyways this is insane
GFRIEND??? WHAT???? FROM WHAT FUCKING ANGLE???

[fierce cloak]

the entire belift and illit is just a bunch of shitty people who only know to copy others works without understand the thinking underneath.
Creative works in visual, music, story...etc are like cooking. We gather ingredients, which is reference, inspiration, our own emotions and knowledge, with the craft, to make into a good meal.
These idiots stole the recipe and technique. It's not the same thing as remixing ingredients to create new recipe with intention. Whoever think it's the same is full on brainrot, ignorance, uneducated.

Especially when it's like, MHJ gather different ingredients from multiple markets, then create her own recipe and cook it. While Belief just steal things from her kitchen.

Such a simple concept and yet people cant grasp it. They should put attention on learning instead of addicted to drama.

[bronze talon]

said this before

just a bunch of whataboutism to distract from the issue and make it seem like its newjeans fault so they dont have to take responsibility

[old cypress]

it's not that people can't grasp it, it's people don't want to grasp it

[bronze talon]

idt a lot would not know what it directly means but this is a more detailed explanation

"Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a rhetorical tactic used to deflect criticism or an accusation by responding with a counter-accusation or a question that shifts the focus to someone else's perceived wrongdoing. It's a way of avoiding accountability by raising a separate issue, often one that is unrelated or less severe, to diminish the original point"

quite literally what soumu/belift have been doing this whole time

[clear hill]

Literally grasping at straws bc gfriend is nothing like newjeans other than the fact that they’ve been discarded by hybelol

[bronze talon]

a whole bunch of nothing burgers

[clear hill]

Also it’s really funny to see people’s cognitive dissonance in real time, people can acknowledge that belift has a history with plagiarism but because illit ever since debut has been riddled with controversies surrounding plagiarism people just choose to deflect now lmao. People are actively choosing to ignore which is why belift gets away with such things.

[empty halo]

100% agreed, this is common knowledge to people even if they're in denial at this point but saying njz copied GFRIEND is next level insanity what even 😭

[empty halo]

there's like hundreds of quotes confused and laughing at belift for this, they shot themselves on the foot w this one AHAHHAA

[clear hill]

It is so sad that because of belift’s sloppy actions illit has been the face of multiple controversies but what kind of agency lets the members take the heat of the accusations rather than taking accountability. I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again companies literally take advantage of people using fanwars to deflect from their actions and people mindlessly go at it like rabid animals

[empty halo]

you can see hundreds of people clearly say, illit and newjeans are similar but GFRIEND and nwjns have 0 connection in terms of sound and visuals

[hollow sorrel]

they probably wanted to say Red Velvet or f(x) so bad, but then realized MHJ helped work on the branding of both groups

[clear hill]

Like if you were really a decent company with integrity who have nothing to hide then it wouldn’t be dragged out this much. They know how much the girls have faced the brunt of the controversy yet instead of acknowledging anything they say “see people this is what you’re doing!”

[empty halo]

i truly believe if belift actually made a fully fleshed out fairytale/magical concept that was very easily separable from nwjns from day 1 illit would be on top of the charts even after multiple comebacks. i actually do agree w the idea that the controversy affected them adversely, except i don't think it was ador, mhj or nwjns fault. it was BELIFTS fault

[clear hill]

LMFAOOOOO exactly. I’ve seen people compare illit to red velvet in terms of concepts and it’s funny bc these are the same people who blame mhj for everything

[empty halo]

those comparisons being drawn bw nwjns and illit did frame illit as nwjns-lite and that's on belift's branding, the end

[empty halo]

wait thats so true

[clear hill]

Yeah exactly what I mean, they don’t care about the backlash the girls face because of their actions because they know fanwars prevent people from seeing the real issue

[bronze talon]

feels like those people think like: groups/members = the company or like they make the decisions

[hollow sorrel]

also the way Belift Lab used the "NewJeans is Y2K hip-hop and ILLIT is magical, princesses" argument is actually kinda sad, because

NewJeans has done a lot of concepts and will continue to do so, but the management of ILLIT kinda puts them into a box (and I've felt this with all their concepts after their debut)
= "they are magical girls" and it just feels a bit forced? I wonder how long will they keep doing the magical girls stuff

[clear hill]

Yea but I think it’s whatever helps their argument to defend their favs. Like some of them say “illit have nothing to do with belift stop hating on the girls” but don’t actually give a shit about belift. As long as these companies keep pumping out music and merch and content these people genuinely don’t care

[empty halo]

y2k-hiphop-jeans
i hate it when people reduce their concept to that

[clear hill]

They can’t even use that same argument for jellyous. The dance alone just reminded me so much of newjeans lol

[bronze talon]

which is the exact point mhj was making a year ago in her conference
if groups will look or sound the same itll become boring = groups get hated on for that automatically bc you know how loud fandoms, kpop stans and internet people can get

[onyx geyser]

i think the problem is belift doesnt let illit lean more into the horror aspects of their concept
especially with the music
we really only see it in mvs and a few photo's

[empty halo]

ive never had the phrase "aespa are robotic girls" shoved down my throat, for example
everytime I hear the words "magical girls" my brain rots a little

[clear hill]

That’s still somewhat newjeans leaning specifically ditto

[empty halo]

very true

[clear hill]

And that doesn’t really help the illit red velvet comparisons which is mhjs creation lol

[hollow sorrel]

also I'm sorry but you can tell that originally their concept wasn't just "magical girls" (but also "y2k") but after everyone kept comparing them to NewJeans they had to quickly change course and hardly push the magical girl thing on them

[onyx geyser]

yeah i could see that

[empty halo]

this is so true, i think the magic gimmick was just a thing for the magnetic mv but it was pushed as their entire concept after the allegations came up. I don't even know how long they can keep this concept going bc it isn't very uhh flexible?

[clear hill]

This literally looks like how sweet 😭 wow I haven’t even seen these photos before but this is crazy

[onyx geyser]

didnt this mv come out before how sweet or am i tripping

[empty halo]

lucky girl syndrome music video lmao

[hollow sorrel]

It came out before how sweet

[clear hill]

I think they also thought that if they leaned into one specific niche concept obviously orchestrated by newjeans they could get away w plagiarism allegations

[empty halo]

well the allegations are that belift stole min heejins plans...

[bronze talon]

i just feel sorry for illit and the backlash they get, theyre successful and thats a good thing
and the concept internally is good, but when 2 so similar concepts cross each other its just not a good company move in a entertainment industry

[empty halo]

yes defo but what about when all the members are older? what happens after 4 mAgiCaL GiRL comebacks?

[onyx geyser]

yeah there definitely are some similarities
and belift is barely helping their case

[empty halo]

it was

1. an attempt at taking nwjns' place in the market
2. noise marketing

the members deserve better than being only competition to another grp instead of a group thats independent of the burden of taking over nwjns

[clear hill]

And there’s people saying that “they’re in the same company ofc they’re gonna do similar concepts/mhj doesn’t own this concept since mhj works under Hybe they can just use it” like I don’t think people understand that ador staff were literally followed home and forced to give their laptops and belongings for belift to have their hands on mhjs 7 year plan💀

[onyx geyser]

they were followed home?

[bronze talon]

ofc it was
tbh idm the concept generally speaking, it targets young people which is fine
but like you said
if its from the "same" company people will scent your goal which is exactly what you pointed out

[clear hill]

They’re gonna pull a twice and start to do sexy and cute comebacks since they haven’t thought too far out into the future lmfao

[empty halo]

"same company" is funny bc ador functioned quite separately from other HYBE labels

[empty halo]

:((

[clear hill]

You can’t just keep leeching off of someone, you’re gonna run out of content to steal 😩

[clear hill]

Yeah, this came out around November of last year or August I think?

[onyx geyser]

no way ☹️ is there an article you could link me to?
ah nvm i found it

[clear hill]

No bc I’m already seeing it, w Hybe’s reputation of immediately doing sexy comebacks when a member turns 18 they’re gonna do a wonyoung and make wonhee’s image go from cute to sexy

[onyx geyser]

lets not have a repeat of what happened in runext please

[clear hill]

It’s interesting to see bc newjeans is the only group that is an exception to this lol and it’s sad bc the only “sexy” newjeans concept is the somu released old videos back when they were MINORS and trainees under them

[bronze talon]

now imagine we get njz
new branding
new bold concepts or a whole variety of themes they want to go through or "experience"

idk if they rly wanna keep taking "inspiration" from them then. bc i think their magical girl concept is set in stone now which imo can still greatly work. ofc depending how creative and good sounding it gets

[old cypress]

this is how you steal another group's identity. It's like a group X focusing hard on the Velvet facet of Red Velvet until people associate X with velvet concepts and eventually Red Velvet wouldn't be able to do any velvet concepts without looking like X's copycat

[onyx geyser]

if/when njz comes back i wonder if they'll stick to their more mature sound we saw in supernatural

[bronze talon]

uuuh that wasnt rly a concept at all?
its just training videos no? i wouldnt call this a concept

[clear hill]

I think by then belift might feel they have a right to continue this magical girl concept. It’s like finders keepers losers weepers for them, whatever the outcome is as whether it’s newjeans being hated on for speaking out or they just give up their original concept they don’t really have a blueprint for illit’s image other than the newjeans formula lol

[old cypress]

I think njz will do something very different while keeping their original flavor

[bronze talon]

yea this tbh

[clear hill]

Yea not concept but that’s the only “sexy” vibe we ever got from newjeans

Which is really really unfortunate bc they’ve never faced massive explicit sexualization up until that point ://

[hollow sorrel]

thats why I'm soooo madd that the only things we got of the NJZ era are 2 PICTURES total.

• the complexcon performance

I really wanted at least concept photos to see what kind of concept they would have but its kinda hard to tell from what we have

[empty halo]

desperation

[onyx geyser]

i wasnt here during the cookie era but i heard it was controversial cause of the lyrics

[hollow sorrel]

they lost it omg...

I'm pretty sure GFRIEND wasn't the first to do school uniforms either???

[bronze talon]

id just call it videos
its not rly a vibe imo
just a somewhat exploitation if thats the right word for it

[clear hill]

What crossing bridge are they even referring to 😭

[grizzled mural]

Manifesting we are going to win! Belift has nothing.

[storm warren]

they are derailing the core issue

[empty halo]

[old cypress]

it's standard for all trainees to train dancing with heels to all kinds of choreos. They won't have much time to really train once they debut so they have to it predebut

[bronze talon]

distracting from the core issue and accusations

[storm warren]

yeah and its working

[clear hill]

That’s not my point tho, the fact that somu released those is the problem

[storm warren]

look at theqoo, they all love petty drama

[hollow sorrel]

I actually thought Belift had a great chance at winning because defamation laws are pretty broad in South Korea and from what I've heard it's not that hard to win a defamation case

but after today's hearing we know that they pretty much have no evidence of anything and are trying to spin the issue into a plagiarism lawsuit??? hopefully the court doesn't fall for it

[clear hill]

They talked about this in the yt livestream, I remember haerin talking about it

[bronze talon]

they just love getting money for spreading info which in the end causes drama naturally

[clear hill]

I just know mhj is laughing at this rn

[storm warren]

belift just wants to kill newjeans brand. its obvious and probably what hybe is aiming for rn. "if illit is not original, neither is newjeans" is literally deranged way to twist shit

then i can say no movie is original bc everyone walks on pavement and runs in fields or whatever. this is nonsense

and this is working bc ppl are beyond dumb

[clear hill]

Ironic since they were seeking financial compensation from mhj for “ruining illit’s brand”

[empty halo]

its not working bc the comparison they made is absolutely insane, if belift mentioned that group "jeans" or something, people would be raving about it but Gfriend is absolutely ridiculous. Its not working, it makes no sense and nobody's buying it

[storm warren]

its working for knetz, look at them

[empty halo]

are we sure that it isn't biased comments being put under a spotlight

[grizzled mural]

When is the next hearing??

I need this judge to dismiss this because Belift’s “yeah we plagiarized but so did they” argument is awful legal strategy in a defamation suit.

[clear hill]

Wasn’t the original name for illit new something too? Or was that just misinfo

[storm warren]

i mean there are surely hybe part timers working on it bc they want to cement the idea that "newjeans is not original, they copied others"

[hollow sorrel]

theqoo isn't really knetz I can tell you MOST people around the world regard NewJeans as one of the most unique kpop group conceptually and musically

[onyx geyser]

it wasnt that different it was "ill-it"

[storm warren]

what makes concept unique isnt that someone walks on bridge or has black hair, but overall output and story

[old cypress]

you're mistaking with katseye. Newcrazy was one of the suggested names

[empty halo]

and nobody with a functioning brain is gonna hear "newjeans copied GFRIEND" and say "yes."
those are DEFO fake comments

[storm warren]

there is no way someone watches Rough and Ditto and thinks this is same

[clear hill]

Oh yea katseye 😭not illit

[hollow sorrel]

exactly and I don't want to speak negatively on ILLIT but they had 3 comebacks so far and none of them really made any impact on the actual creative industry

I mean think of the first three NewJeans comebacks and how each of them were innovative all in different aspects

[grizzled mural]

Momentum is real. NJZ has all the momentum going into the main case next week 🔥🔥

[empty halo]

the blue filter from the debut EP still being a thing people use in 2025 that's impact

[storm warren]

bc illit is derivative of newjeans. none of these newjeansesque groups would exist in current shape if njz didnt set a trend

[hollow sorrel]

and if I say the Get Up EP is literally the BLUEPRINT for 90% of 5th gen groups

[storm warren]

illit is one of them, theyd be completely different without pga and njz branding.

[onyx geyser]

this makes sense, but wouldn't they consider it given the appeal of kpop to western audiences?

[clear hill]

The newjeans impact is CRAZY. I know it gets under Hybe’s skin lol

[storm warren]

its not about similarities being between one group and 1000 other, its about similarities being between two groups under same umbrella company that used one groups planning documents even tho they claim they didnt use it

[onyx geyser]

fair lol

[storm warren]

idk what else there needs to be said

[clear hill]

Attention era was iconic but get up era REALLY solidified newjeans. This cute retro anime magical girl concept was born the day the get up ep was released 😭

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/hoes-mad-newjeans-njz-news-stay-mad-gif-4290776209821667293

[storm warren]

belift literally hired same hairstylist and makeup artist as newjeans for illit despite kpop having million hairstylists out there. but it happened to be gihee. the one who never worked with idols until newjeans.

[old cypress]

really? damn lol

[storm warren]

they aimed for same image from the start. like

[clear hill]

Oh and they tried to get their producers too 😭as well as dolphiners lmaooo

[hollow sorrel]

I also wonder which kpop group did they ask Shin Wooseok (NewJeans’ music video director) to work on

[storm warren]

gihee was njz hairstylist until Bunnies Camp 2023 and then became illit's. njz hired gabe sin (bless)

[leaden thistle]

were there any news going around these days?

[clear hill]

They only wanted to work w newjeans and them only 🤷‍♀️

[onyx geyser]

damn😭

[hollow sorrel]

I kinda hope it’s revealed during the lawsuit

[storm warren]

one or two similarity is coincidence but ten and more is?

[clear hill]

Probably illit and/or lesserafim

[onyx geyser]

i think it was confirmed belift asked shin

[storm warren]

i dont believe in this and i know deep down their team also knows they are rip offs and are seething hard

[empty halo]

belift creatives dont even copy with their mouths shut, they're highly unprofessional and disrespectful and get mad like petulant babies online

[clear hill]

They know, they’re the one w the documents but they think the media doesn’t have to know that 🤦‍♀️

[onyx geyser]

im still gonna take time to research the whole situation before i form an opinion but i wouldnt put it past belift given the kelly sweeney situation

[clear hill]

The creative director posting on ig jump kicking at a bunny mascot was insane. Like wow

[onyx geyser]

WHAT

[empty halo]

the middle finger by the choreographer or something on their ig stories

[clear hill]

And the fact that they literally said newjeans are made for the male fantasy????? Like what

[empty halo]

oh you dont know...? man you're gonna need some time catch up w everything ahahshahhahahd

[onyx geyser]

yeah bro give me like a day😭

[empty halo]

that cursed video thats still up on yt

shameless ahh

[clear hill]

There is SO much you need to catch up on lol.. like belift is so disgusting

[empty halo]

anyw nwjns will forever be THE goats goodnight

[onyx geyser]

oh no i know belift is a horrible company
i like illit but the way they most likely went about forming the group was kinda sad

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/njz-njzfaerie-newjeans-lee-hyein-hyein-gif-9816483992880433615

[frozen granite]

Can someone give a tltr about mhj hearing that just happened ?

[clear hill]

Is there a translated article?

[frozen granite]

Idk I just want to be informed

[clear hill]

I can summarize it for u if there is an article but I haven’t seen a translated one yet >.<

[clear hill]

Belift’s arguments: main argument is that there’s just a lot of similarities but each are isolated cases of similarities instead of plagiarism
-illit didn’t plagiarize newjeans because illit is magical girl, princesses and newjeans is y2k (showed comments from online)
-nobody owns a specific dance move, it’s public domain
-they both debuted differently
-If illit copied newjeans then newjeans copied gfriend
(Transition from 16:9 hd to 4:3 low quality video formats,wide shots of girls running/crossing bridges,school uniforms in mvs)
name calls other groups/soloists to support their argument like hearts2heart,Jennie,aespa,kiss of life,itzy chungha,g dragon,bts,hyorin
-If illit did in fact copy then illit wouldn’t have broken records
Note:they failed to explain why they had the mhj documents

Mhjs arguments:main argument is that the public brought up the similarities first and that it’s not a defamation case
-Hybe’s illegal internal audit is what pushed the emergency press conference/statement. “They were defensive measures taken to reveal Hybe’s true reason for an audit”
-evidence of copying include hanbok photoshoot, coex billboard,Eiffel tower photos
-Her team brought up initial comments from knetz pointing out the similarities upon illit’s debut before she had the emergency press conference
-It’s not a defamation case but a business obstruction case, belift is trying to make it a defamation case by using words like copy and plagiarism but plagiarism isn’t copyright infringement. It blurs the issue of the case
-there’s too much similarities between both groups to be dismissed as accidental similarities

Conclusion
Judge said to bring substantial evidence next hearing bc belift didn’t present passive evidence that mhj damaged illit

[upbeat stream]

Is the conclusion part from this hearing?

[clear hill]

Yea from today,July 18th belift vs mhj

[heady gate]

It is currently July 19th KST.

[heady gate]

October 31 - MHJ's 4th hearing against Belift

[feral tapir]

i'm ass at understanding stuff like these so is it somewhat positive for now or

[clear hill]

I’d say neutral, basically both sides need to prove substantial evidence to support claims

[feral tapir]

i see i see

[fierce cloak]

i honesty not sure what part is 'copy' gfriend, when MHJ is literally the mother of kpop concept. Almost every concepts now are variation inspired by her works since SM. Even Gfriend early debut with school uniform was inspired by f(x) tennis skirt - which trendsetting by MHJ

[fierce cloak]

ngl i think tokkis really need to ignore whatever related illit because soon they will become irrelevant. It's not worth arguing ngl. For toxic people just call out their distorted psyche full of dissonance, insecurity, jealously. Whatever they hate is the projecting of their own inferiority.

[clear hill]

What did you reply to I can’t see it? but yea I agree it’s just really sad

[fierce cloak]

basically about how belif use controversy to get attention for illit
I have been a kpop fan for soooooo long i have witnessed all kind of groups success and failed. Illit wont last very long.
MHJ and NJZ will revive pretty soon and stronger than ever, that's how legendary mhj is

[clear hill]

Ohh yea I agree. Tbh I don’t really keep up w it but sometimes I get those kpop daily news on my tt so it’s like I’m forced to keep up w it 😭

[fierce cloak]

Few days ago i explore a bit about the case of hybe/ bang vs mhj/ njz with chatgpt, ofc take it with grain of salt, but it seems normally 1st & 2nd hearing are 'warming up', the 3rd trial is the main arguement, and usually after 3-4th hearing it can lead to ruling.
So soonest for MHJ/ NJZ able to return is somewhat early next year.
The pattern trajectory overall are advantagous for our side now, especially since MHJ is proven non-guilty, it become the greatest advantage for all cases. I think their legal team are stacking the wins trajectory. It's a bit drag out but i think they can play for their strength, especially Bang is being investigated & Hybe is shaking.

stay strong tokkis, ignore the noise, they are irrelevant in the long term

[paper quartz]

will newjeans be making a comeback? or is mhj winning court being stretched to newjeans somehow

[fierce cloak]

technically with MHJ proven non-guilty, it gives NJZ greater advantage in their argument, because literally everything was about Hybe frame MHJ as betrayal...etc - so with this is strengthen NJZ case which Ador/ Hybe is malice
So let assume next week trial continue as normal, then we may have 4th hearing/ ruling in Q4 2025/ Q1 2026 => if they win they can resume activities

Which finance can be a tricky thing, however each NJZ member can fund themselves, MHJ can also seek sponsorship from brands just like how they did previously as well
After that, if MHJ can get her money from the shareholder and counter-sue, she can get 18-40m usd something, which can greatly fund the company too

[hollow sorrel]

I can't wait for the 24th to see how the court reacts to MHJ being proven not guilty. I really hope we get at least a little information about that

[fierce cloak]

yeah it seems 3rd hearing is the main trial, so it's the most important one => we are super lucky that MHJ proven not guilty + Bang being investigated => pattern align with NJZ argument
And the judge seems to be a fair, open-minded person => more opportunity for NJZ

[clear hill]

We don’t know anything yet,the main hearing for mhdhh vs ador is next month. WI think by then we’ll have testimonies by then so you never know. With mhjs win against Hybe and bsh possibly being prosecuted,you never know. We just need to be patient and trust time 🍀

[upbeat stream]

Not next month, it's on the 24th of July

[clear hill]

Ohh really?

Idky I’m thinking August, thanks for correcting me tho^-^

[grizzled panther]

can someone update me on what’s happening

i haven’t kept in touch with it

[heady gate]

MHJ vs Belift 3rd hearing has completed yesterday. October 31 - MHJ's 4th hearing

July 24 - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial 3rd hearing

[wary creek]

Hi, so MHJ was found not guilty by police and not by a judge and jury (how does that work)? where can i read about this

[clear hill]

That was a criminal case not a civil. They are handled by the police department not the court.

[heady gate]

https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10531994

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1946524994051379290

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

interesting so sejong brought up the plans but we don't have any articles about it

X · Jul 19, 2025, 10:58 AM

It's frustrating to think that a lot more is going on in these hearings than we actually know about from the media. Tokkis rightfully complain that NJZ or MHJ's legal team doesn't mention this or that... but maybe they have been.

[old cypress]

sejong and njz are never gonna win the mediaplay war

the best option is to not play the game and focus on the trial

[fierce cloak]

exactly. The more tokki react to the haters, the more you give them exactly what they want - attention, and you are reactive & play into your narration.

What Tokki need to do is:

1. Create our own narration to point out the truth, and understand to frame story to emphasize on the emotional aspect, that NJZ & MHJ are victims of Bang & Hybe corrupted system.

2. Do not argue with haters about fact because they don't care. For them it's identity war, where they cosplay as victim, while projecting their insecurity & jealously.

Those who control narration is the winner. Hybe use media play, then tokki must use social media to share the news. Starting with MHJ is not guilty, it's the root of every problem.

Even with the accusation like shaman, must understand that in KR culture shaman is considered as protector, like the movie Kpop Demon Hunter are literally shamans.

If people accuse of pedo thing, flip the script that it's the hater projecting their own twisted fantasy, because no normal person see an artwork (of an adult) as porn.

For the trials continue, a very good chance for NJZ & MHJ to achieve their wins and even counter sue, but they play strategic long game. So all the fans need is to be patient and trust them.

[short laurel]

About pedo. Lets remember again that years ago when jk was minor, it was army who were proudly calling themselves pedo noona. So it really is them projecting.

[empty halo]

hows the word pedo allowed but not girlcott

[short laurel]

Nvr realise that.

[prisma nova]

Armies are such a pithole fandom

[clear hill]

Exactly lmaooo like there is 0 articles about belift but soooo many ab mhj and the girls

[clear hill]

Armies are so pathetic. I’m not saying this in a fanwar type of way but armies are pathetic because they are fully aware of their insane parasocial behaviours and feel no remorse harassing people who don’t agree with them. The amount of hate I’ve seen armies throw at newjeans ESP hanni is crazy considering how much bts have shown so much support for newjeans.

I don’t want to make assumptions between the relationship mhj have w the girls but from my perspective they seem comfortable w mhj as a mentor. It seems more like a collaborative effort between them rather than boss and workers. It’s refreshing to see because they are clearly very happy w their jobs and look forward to performing and making music. I hope that they can work together soon when this is all over 🤞

[hoary frost]

Yeaa I left the Army fandom bc of it

[clear hill]

It’s so sad bc they were big fans of bts too. ESP Hyein. It must hurt a lot for her to be ostracized so much by a fandom you considered yourself a part of.

[hoary frost]

ARMYs and BLINKs (in my
Opinion) are the most toxic fandoms. First ARMYs hating on NJZ/NWJNS, and rn BLINKs are doing as much as possible to shade TWICE

As a BLINK and a ONCE it sucks because why are we putting groups and fandoms AGAINST each other

[clear hill]

I agree. It’s definitely bc they are the most successful kpop groups but I hate how ppl try to say how tokkis are just as toxic. Like ofc there’s toxic fans in every fandom but I don’t think tokkis are toxic

[hoary frost]

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[clear hill]

There’s too many 1:1 similarities. If you look at the stage design for illit they look like the ones newjeans had for their performances.

[craggy skiff]

I know. This post's purpose is debunk the way that fandom use elle photoshoot to rebuttal plagiarism accusation

[clear hill]

Ohhhh. Can u send me more of the tweet? I’m only able to see this part>.<

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I will hide the part of the username of the hairstylist because my focus is not on their identity AT ALL, people who work on the creative field as freelancers need their job, wether that be with a morally correct or incorrect company, TO LIVE, please do not go and attack the hairstylist because we don't know their contractual status with Hybe and the situation they're in, these people have 0 say in what Hybe does to the girls, they're still people who need to work to live, so please don't take anything out with them, if you want to confirm what I'm saying you can follow the same process as I did and find out for yourself, that being said:

We all already know the scandal that arose due to the similarities between Belift's Elle photoshoots and the last scene and THUMBNAIL of the Attention
MV, however people tried debunking it by bringing up that part of the staff was provided by Elle, which truly doesn't change anything, because Elle did not provide the creative director, which is, obviously, is in charge of the creative direction and overall, how the photoshoot is going to be, so the creative director is still the group's creative director: Serian Heu.
While looking for the full credits I found one of the Elle staff listed on the site tagged all the staff involved including those that weren't sourced from Elle, that's where I came across the
Hairstylist / team (let's call it team H) that worked on and was the key for NJZ's signature hairstyle during debut and up until June 2023
A few months after that the stylist started working for Belift's girl group and all of their projects until their second comeback.
This stylist worked on the full attention
MV and the Elle photoshoot, they worked on BOTH
Now let's say that the similarities between hairstyles, which has been a topic of discussion where the public noticed how both NJZ during debut and Belift's group

[craggy skiff]

Tldr: although it elle photoshoot but the creator director is still from that group: serian heu

[cinder narwhal]

speculation

[red thorn]

Barely speculation, they only rebut said claim on Elle photoshoot similarity, based on tracking actual credits on various sources which lead them to questioning why

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1946806764013596984

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1752989877:d>

HYBE sued netizen who wrote comments that HYBE did "media manipulation" and had a "mental illness". The prosecutors decided not to punish the netizen. They said calling it "media manipulation" wasn’t a lie, and being rude in comments can just be opinion.

https://n.news.naver.com/mnews/article/014/0005379469?sid=102&lfrom=twitter

[heady gate]

"calling it "media manipulation" wasn’t a lie"

[short laurel]

They were like "u did acquire media manipulation company in us"

[copper jetty]

Well they said it falls in the scope of "opinions" so... yeah

Hopefully the main suit for the girls will also have favorable things.

[feral tapir]

clown💀

[mild mist]

We believe in media manipulation

[dry geyser]

yall does this mean theyre gonna release a new mv orrrr? ik this isnt actually newjeans posting anymore and its actually the new ador staff but does this mean we’ll get unreleased content?😭😓

[opaque flicker]

its just a stream of their old content + some bonus clips we havent seen i suppose

they did it every year

[flint stone]

new mv? girls left, with who this mv gonna be?

[harsh dove]

@webelieveinbots <t:1753010277:d>

[copper jetty]

Tokkis are reposting this like it's some kind of proof but it's not. Smh...

[old cypress]

proof of what?

[red thorn]

Yeah it's what people been knowing but can't really proven
And tbf apply to any company with their management crisis

[copper jetty]

They're saying that this is proof that Hybe is manipulating the media.

I mean we all know that they're doing it, but this isn't the proof that people think it is.

[mild mist]

it's unfortunate that the translations aren't perfect, but I read it as "saying that hybe are manipulating media does not count as a punishable offence"

no ruling regarding whether they are or not, but just saying it in the comments isn't enough

[old cypress]

didn't we have proof anyway with the journalist exposing Hybe PR

the japanese sales controversy

[hoary frost]

Ador staff with wigs

[flint stone]

And that ceo will show off her editing skills

[hoary frost]

I love how translations are never perfect

[copper jetty]

Yeah. We know that they're doing it... it's just hard to prove that they are yk?

[red thorn]

Need more smoking gun evidence that even judge can't refute it or swayed by the lawyers spinning argument

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1946903070723674328?t=_bk8CEHs3P4EhYhSkfmSig&s=19

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o)

Translated first 4 pages of the comments under QRT article. Literally every comment.

Knetz are not fooled.

[Exclusive] Comments Accusing HYBE of “Media Manipulation” and “Mental Illness” Not Deemed Defamation. Prosecution Says They Were Personal Opinions, Not False Claims

X · Jul 20, 2025, 12:00 PM

[harsh dove]

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[copper jetty]

Anyway this was in one of those comments.

[cinder narwhal]

how the turns tabled

[hollow sorrel]

I’ve seen a lot of people say that MHJ hasn’t been active on instagram this year, because of the investigation, but now that the investigation is wrapped I see her liking a lot more posts and overall being active on instagram

[waxen musk]

She's been posting one or two songs every day to her Instagram Stories ever since the win.

It gives me hope.

[hollow sorrel]

I don't know if the investigation actually had anything to do with "instagram" but I'm glad to see she's posting stuff because she is a person who loves to drop little hints everywhere

[waxen musk]

I know everyone lost so much confidence after the injunction appeal details came out, but since then it feels like things are going our way and everyone has switched up and become so hopeful. Even things like MHJ using Instagram again enforces that.

I still feel like we should really wait to see how this next main hearing goes.

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, I won't say anything until the hearing

On another server, people were discussing the implications of mhj's no indictment verdict, and they were saying this only makes njz's case worse. I was itching to ask them how, but didn't

[copper jetty]

nahh. it's better that you didn't. I don't understand either how this makes njz's case worse...
I think it could help but also it could be neutral or no help at all since this is 2 different cases.

did you stay there to see why? I'm curious as to what their reasoning is for saying that it makes it worse.

[hollow sorrel]

that's just coping there's no other explanation

I also had a fight about that on a different server their argument was "she was not guilty in criminal course but she could still be punished for it in civil court" like obviously??? but what does that have to do with anything the most you can get in a civil court is a fine so

[fierce cloak]

The thing is, fans usually pay attention to the hate - and you dont have to. You can fully enjoy the art, support artist, hangout with community without giving the haters & accusations attention. Dont let them tain your enjoyment

[copper jetty]

on another note. The VP of Ador also sued a k Bunny commenter.

https://x.com/njzallday/status/1946907267624034323

ditto akgae (@njzallday)

A HYBE company executive sued a defamation to op about rejecting the bragging rights for NewJeans Tokyo Dome and Debut Pop-Up event (events she did not take part of).

The case was dismissed by the police... She objected about it but the objection was also dismissed 💀

X · Jul 20, 2025, 12:17 PM

[hoary frost]

Ghooorl

[copper jetty]

i remember this last year, she posted the pop up store during debut on her linked in... WHEN SHE JUST JOINED ADOR on 2024.
She was not even on that team during 2022.

[waxen musk]

I remember the Tokyo Dome bragging.

I basically never search for anything NewJeans related on YouTube, that was until a few minutes ago. Wow what a miserable experience.

[copper jetty]

never search for that ever. I cleaned up my algorithm but yeah... don't

[short laurel]

What was she thinking trying to object

[copper jetty]

i have no idea why she tried to object.
Maybe she thought there was a chance.

[cinder narwhal]

are they an insider, prediction, or liar account? https://x.com/ddan_jyk

[copper jetty]

Idk i don't trust tokkis.

[hushed whale]

they're not tokki i think, but most of these "insiders" are liars

[craggy skiff]

*x -c https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1946915990937440613?t=0V6_O6c3hyZ38UHkwfqrDg&s=19

[harsh dove]

@webelieveinbots <t:1753015918:d>

IS THIS A CONFIRMATION?
HYBE BOTS IN ACTION
a user on TheQoo made a post saying “I don’t wash jeans.
If something gets on them I just hand wash that spot and let it dry. LOL”
Yet an anonymous “user” came out of the blue and commented
“I don’t really feel like supporting them anymore either. Totally lost interest after the livestream”
Hinting at an autoresponder or keyword-triggered response, where the bot is programmed to recognize certain words or phrases and then send a pre-defined message, which can be a comment, reply, or other form of communication.

[copper jetty]

Yeah no sane human would post newjeans on that kind of post. Only bots do that. I think the main keyword they used was jeans.

[craggy skiff]

I wonder what the other comment said

[hushed whale]

just another normal day on stantwt lol

[feral tapir]

hybe is so desperate bruh

[orchid field]

https://x.com/winnttaebear/status/1946908364790997204?s=46&t=FGOk5JcS6vsxMTTizzNPiQ

hope⁷ (@winnttaebear)

how old are you armys???

X · Jul 20, 2025, 12:21 PM

The replies

[hoary frost]

[feral tapir]

holy shit 💀

[clear hill]

Tried to look for old footage of mhj interviews w the girls and I couldn’t find a single video 😭just filled w commentary videos hating on mhj and newjeans, it’s pathetic lol

Also unrelated but does anyone know if Hybe took legal action against the deepfake videos of Minji and hanni? The numbers are insane esp minjis and I know starship won that lawsuit over deepfakes of wonyoung.

[upbeat stream]

My searches are great because I block every channel that has made a negative video about njz

[hoary frost]

Same. When I started blocking armies and anything bts related content, my algorithm became better.

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1947104683509833917

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

BREAKING POLICE REQUEST SEARCH WARRANT FOR BSH

https://t.co/e7LGxufgpm

X · Jul 21, 2025, 1:21 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1947104683509833917 does not contain any media!

[fleet nebula]

and we cheered

[waxen musk]

I'm not celebrating until I see a photo of him in handcuffs that isn't AI generated or Photoshopped.

[copper jetty]

Same. I'm not celebrating until whoever judge it is, actually indicts him. There's still a lot of things that could go wrong.

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/newbaram/status/1947136822620098946?t=w6zSP--kY_GmktkCRIyhCw&s=19

이러려고 만든 트위터가 아닌데... (@newbaram)

민하다해혜 가처분 결정 나오기 전까진 나도 이런 사실은 정치 경제권에서나 나오는 줄 알았지 뭐야…
세상 참, 알아야 할 게 끝이 없이 나와…

X · Jul 21, 2025, 3:29 AM

[short laurel]

Who he

[copper jetty]

Idk who but the article said they uncovered that judges were bought and they're connected to the previous government

[red thorn]

Power of chingu

[copper jetty]

Specifically connected i think to the wife of the previous Korean president

[short laurel]

Seriously. Was president yoon or his wife

It feel like yoon was her puppet

[mild mist]

Hmm, so perhaps it's possible that the legal system would make examples out of anyone connected to said government to attempt to restore public confidence in the justice system
I wonder if there were any high profile cases coming up which would give them an opportunity

[copper jetty]

I wonder if there's any. Specifically one on the 24th huh.

Well i wish but I don't really expect anything about the 24th. We'll probably get an update and that's it.

[ashen charm]

yeah there releasing pitstop from complexcon

[empty halo]

WHAT
is this fr

[ashen charm]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-minji-hanni-laughing-laugh-gif-15661888139646506077

ador wishes they had pitstop

[waxen musk]

Media play from Ador boasting about Tokkis giving them support with their recent posts. It's so gross and upsetting that we can't even celebrate an anniversary without them making sure nobody forgets about this disgusting company.

Remember that the girls don't post pictures of the other members without getting permission first.

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1947231589995524233

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1753091163:d>

Prosecution orders Financial Supervisory Service’s Special Judicial Police to investigate Bang Sihyuk case over alleged unfair trading

https://n.news.naver.com/article/421/0008383539?sid=102

[vale grove]

Pit stop wasn’t made with ador, essentially it’s something they legally couldn’t really make money from so no. This is debut anniversary like they always do

[feral tapir]

look at this ugly fatass bitch

[bronze talon]

okay bro we know but dont need to say it like this 😭

[heady gate]

July 24 - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial 3rd hearing

[feral tapir]

it's a must

[bronze talon]

ill let it slide 🙄

[feral tapir]

and i'd do it again

[vale grove]

We hate him as much as u do but let’s not call him fat now there are plenty of plus size njz supporters 😭

Are we cooked tho I have no idea what’s going on

[icy kernel]

I don't have a Twitter account and I'm kinda scared to ask...but is everyone old? 🥲

[orchid field]

Not everyone but there were a lot of people past their 30s

[waxen musk]

It makes natural sense for a group that's been around for over a decade to have people around for a large majority of it. People are weird about this whole situation. However, the issues arise when there are mature people acting completely immaturely.

With the upcoming hearing I'd like to be reminded what happened during the previous ones. Can someone help me out while I'm a bit limited for a few hours.

[polar owl]

The comment section on Newjeans Day live has gone crazy

[orchid field]

Mine is empty

[polar owl]

The live comments

[waxen musk]

Take some screenshots if you're gonna mention them twice! I'm not clicking on that stream.

[clear hill]

What were they like?

[waxen musk]

It's still so funny to me some people have no idea what's going on, and this anniversary is just introducing a lot of people to the situation for the first time.

[waxen musk]

Ah no wonder I forgot. Not much has happened so far. I've refereshed my memory now.

It's hard to remember what is part of a hearing vs just stuff that was in other hearings or just stuff from the media or just stuff from Twitter itself. It really all blurs together for me now.

[still badge]

Omg tyyy

[red thorn]

Hmm I guess it's complicated for the girls to say anything for the anniv even if they want to and even if possible separately, bc it's borderline of they introduce as NewJeans indirectly

[waxen musk]

lol I'm just trying to explain in the main chat the reality of the situation and I just make the mood "sad".
It's always a hard balance with expectations and then disappointment when something doesn't happen vs being realistic but realism not being very nice. (This can apply to more than just this anniversary.)

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1947402437742191080

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1753131896:d>

2025.07.21 ADOR Team submitted an opinion on procedural progress
2025.07.21 ADOR Team submitted a preparatory document
2025.07.21 NJZ Team submitted opinion on procedural progress (2)

#mainlawsuit

[waxen musk]

Obviously nobody knows why they haven't been active at all on IG for a long while. There could be a lot of reasons. But the inactivity makes people assume it's because they can't, when I don't think we can even assume that.

[clear hill]

Honestly it’s valid, hyein and haerin already said that people will twist their words and given the circumstances it’s understandable why they don’t want to be on socials :((

[waxen musk]

They can't breathe without people saying they're taking away oxygen from dying people.

[clear hill]

It makes me so angry how ppl were trying to spin it out like hyein and haerin were manipulated to leave but they didn’t want to. People want to weaponize them being young so bad when it serves their argument.

[clear hill]

Yeah. I just hope the girls don’t pay attention to the media esp hanni. My heart breaks for her. People can be so cruel. I hope she finds peace during these turbulent times. I hope all of the girls do.<3

[waxen musk]

Anyway I really do think if things go better through these upcoming hearings and more "wins" happen, there'll be less and less to worry about and maybe they'll gain confidence again if they want to post stuff. I hate thinking about the insane pressure they have in every possible way.

[clear hill]

Tbh I’m not expecting them to. As much as I want them to communicate w us bunnies, i don’t want them to feel like they owe us their presence. I just hope they’re alright. We’ll support them till the end regardless🍀

[waxen musk]

I was able to celebrate other days a lot more easily recently, but man Ador really put me in a bad mood for today, more than they usually do. Not that what they're doing is surprising or any different from what they have been doing for weeks now, but sometimes it just hits you on a day where the opposite should be true.

[clear hill]

I’m gonna bake a celebratory njz cake and make light of the situation. Just jam out to their no skip discography and enjoy the fruits of their labours. I’m sure that’s all they want!

[waxen musk]

Funnily enough yesterday I was technically celebrating them a lot more than I was today. I watched all their MVs yesterday and had a great time.

[bronze talon]

i dont want them to communicate with us when its not needed for them personally and they dont want to risk anything
they should feel comfortable and be in a position when they feel like they need us. its more important that they get the urge to share stuff with us when its important for them and not because we want them too. idk if its selfish to think that we want them to post things but imo it somewhat is no? especially in times like these

[waxen musk]

I can't imagine them being able to do literally anything public comfortably. Like AT ALL. It's a horrible situation.

[clear hill]

I always do that when I’m feeling down tbh. When I find myself in a depressive episode I just listen to their entire discography. It instantly lifts my spirits I swear

[clear hill]

Yeah. I’m glad to see Dani still being her sunshine self and doing the things she loves but seeing people scrutinize and nitpick her every actions makes me so sad

[bronze talon]

yep we gotta wait it out until they literally get permission legal wise. idk what would brake those rules and what doesnt but rather dont risk anything at all and focus on yourselfs wellbeing (and maybe even projects to work on in the future but thats a topic for something else)

[clear hill]

If you think about the injunction itself it’s actually crazy how Hybe/ador literally just took their full autonomy away. As artists, as creative individuals and as human beings. It’s jarring.

[bronze talon]

its really just sad

[waxen musk]

It's why I can't be happy today.

[bronze talon]

and imo through things like this itll always and still shine a insanely bad light on the industry, through exact moments and incidents like this
companies try not to worsen the state of kpop challenge

theres ofc much worse things but its one of many

[clear hill]

Kpop stans try not to ignore and downplay the idol industry challenge ⚠️impossible⚠️

I get that. I mean if we try to put ourselves in their shoes it’s gonna be depressing

[bronze talon]

please perform, make more videos and tiktok challenges for my consumer brain
idc about the idols health or feelings!