NJZ Updates and Discussion

[short laurel]

Yea it's on implementation. But there's also increase in category of singers who can't sing at all n only rely on autotune. Some implement it well

[short laurel]

Well we might have ww3 be4 this case settles

[river inlet]

damn

[bronze jetty]

t-pain is the best example for how to utilize auto tune

[stiff prairie]

i forgot tpain exists damn. does he still make music?

[stiff prairie]

US bombed iran last night apparently. big possibility the remaining 4 yrs of contract goes on thru ww3

[short laurel]

Yup

Usa is big market which hybe heavily focused on. If a war really happens us economy will take huge hit

[steel depot]

any news

[craggy skiff]

unexpected group impact

[wraith cove]

maafakas think autotune and pitch correction are the same thing...

[mellow jackal]

All Auto-Tune is pitch correction, but not all pitch correction is Auto-Tune

[bronze talon]

yea theres after post recording programs where you can let the program correct it to the right octave and notes (iirc the terms for this) but you can also manually do it if the program itself doesnt do it right

[mellow jackal]

Yea the one that’s used the most in the industry is called Melodyne

[heady gate]

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/economy/20250622/will-korea-establish-its-own-version-of-us-securities-and-exchange-commision

[heady gate]

Now, I understand why it takes so long to process BSH's investigation.

"Under the current system, up to a year is needed to lead to FSC sanctions. The process can take up to three years if court rulings need to be finalized."

"From 2016 to 2020, 55.8 percent of unfair trading cases resulted in no indictments after being referred for prosecution.

The report said Korea should establish a centralized investigative body similar to ones in the U.S. and Japan."

[stuck roost]

yo so assuming they win the main case

do they still have to pay a hefty ahh termination fee

[heady gate]

lets wait the main case result. The court will provide the answer.

[lapis tendon]

^ yea I think the court determines that at the end

Or if they settle it’s worked out in the settlement terms and agreements

[old cypress]

if they win the main case, they pay no termination fees since the contracts are considered terminated as of nov 2024

if you win and you still pay termination fees, the whole legal battle is completely pointless

[dusk niche]

Ive been seeing a lot of negativity on if njz can get back their popularity. 1. It doesnt matter if they do as long as they come back happy 2. They would literally just need to release a 3 minute version of get up and they would chart immediately.

[subtle matrix]

They haven't released anything in like a year and they're still one of the most streamed kpop ggs in the world

I think they'll be fine

[floral heron]

Wait if mhdhh really loses will they still make newjeans merch or no?

[short laurel]

if girls loses. they will only be fined contract termination fees. contract will be terminated on the day court makes decision in this case and judge will decide the penalty.
if girls wins then no penalty.
these 2 are the only outcomes if case reach till end. another possibility is girls and ador coming to a settlement like giving x%age of profits until the tiem decided by the 2 parties. but it will not be girls working for ador no matter what

[subtle matrix]

afaik there's nothing stopping ador/hybe from still using the newjeans brand whether they win or lose

[short laurel]

yea. brand newjeans belongs to ador and girls will have to fight for it in separate case.

[bronze talon]

i wouldnt mind them just sticking to njz
i know they said they want to fight for it, but at least they established their own njz brand already with copyright and shit like that

[subtle matrix]

Not super familiar with the legal options here but can't see how they could get the newjeans brand unless they settle with hybe

[bronze talon]

idt its gonna appen, still possible ig
but i dont have my hopes up high for that one

[flint stone]

maybe njz side can prove that hybe damaging the brand/newjeans or something

[heady gate]

June 27 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music

[subtle matrix]

Even if they do, it's ador's IP. Damage to the brand could be used as an argument for contract termination since it affects the members but it wouldn't give them ownership in any way

[flint stone]

They still can rerecord songs, ador/hybe doesn't really hold rights

[short laurel]

Though small they might have chance to win the ip rights in ip lawsuit later. But gotta prove hybe is in the wrong 1st.
There are groups who fought for ip n some won n some lost.

[heady gate]

the ip rights is too far ahead. Let's focus on their main case.

[acoustic verge]

Ehhh. Depends. They may not have publishing rights

Ador most certainly owns the Master recordings. And most likely publishing rights, so even if they re-recorded they can't do anything with it.

[heady gate]

yes, Ador has the master

[acoustic verge]

Indeed, but it's really about publishing rights. But I can't imagine a Kpop label giving those up to the artist.

[red thorn]

Even then if isn't ilegal for them to re record the songs, there's article in standard exclusive contract that ban them from such activity, 3 years after termination contract iirc

[heady gate]

To kill a snake, cut off its head. BSH is the chairman of HYBE. If he falls, HYBE management would follow, then the girls would win their case.

[bronze talon]

then the question remains how likely is that gonna be

[thick glade]

I would stream that like an insane person

[hollow sorrel]

they can't keep using the brand forever/however they want without newjeans consent because that is unfaithful use of a trademark and newjeans can sue them for it

[waxen musk]

I believe a decision will be made on Friday on if MHJ's KKT messages can be used as evidence or not.

[copper jetty]

Isn't some of mhj's kkt messages also being used by hybe on the main case?

[hoary frost]

Imagine if they redebut with another attention style rollout, random mv drop

Today I found out apparently an Ateez member made a disstrack on Bang pd? Lol

[fallow forge]

Someone is saying newjeans lost the thing and they’re making me confused did they go to court and what was the outcome of that

[hoary frost]

They lost their appeal to the injuction stating they have to halt activities. main case still ongoing

[fallow forge]

Okay thank you

[inner temple]

I honestly dont know where to talk about this but please listen to me I have no hate towards the group just that,
by illit's past how hybe make them have similar steps now in the recent cb they have a crazy similar step from imaginary friend by itzy choreo in the chorus, imo that just proves smth about hybe and I thought this wasn't a right move but barely anyone noticed lol

[floral heron]

So it’s confirmed that no matter what happens mhdhh won’t return to hybe or ador anymore right

So will they eventually be with a new company then even if in worst case they go on indefinite hiatus

[heady gate]

they are not returning to HYBE.

[heady gate]

we can discuss it after the main case result in the future.

[floral heron]

ohh

[upbeat stream]

They already are on indefinite hiatus

[floral heron]

wait its confirmed? so they’re not doing anything till contract ends?

[upbeat stream]

Till ruling of the main lawsuit

[bronze talon]

idk how fast they could go back to work if they win or even if they will since they want to fight for their IP
but i can imagine just putting out their work theyve been working on (which i heavely assume), getting out there and back to what they love might be their first priority. i think even if they release songs as NJZ they can "transfer" them over to the newjeans IP if they settle this with ador. i dont think they want to wait until they get their IP back if they leave the company even more bc its in the dark if they even do get it back

[prisma nova]

It’s okay guys they’ll get their popularity back. I’m predicting a billboard hot 100 hit viral song for their next song

[fallow forge]

So if they lose can they still release the music or no?

[inner temple]

Idts

[inner temple]

And does anyone wanna talk about this?

[fallow forge]

I mean I have seen a few things that look similar

[inner temple]

unless they go back to ador/hybe ig

the imaginary friend chorus choreo is deadass similar

[fallow forge]

Which dance of illit looks similar to it? Ru talking abt do the dance

[inner temple]

yeah do the dance their recent cb

The leg part in the breakdown type choreo I think

[rich monolith]

why you want to talk about that here?

[inner temple]

I sent that msg in off topic, someone there said u cant talk about that there and then said "you can talk about it in #1231839760759263232

U can go check #off-topic if u want

[rich monolith]

but why..

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1937330491310698731

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1750730557:d>

ADOR submitted documents that outlines their arguments to the court (June 23, 2025). - Main Lawsuit

[hoary frost]

what the?

[short laurel]

What favour? N whose company? Hybe stans really are beyond saving

[short laurel]

Repeated instances Of copying is what the majority are not looking at. The entire problem is there

[lapis tendon]

Tbh the popularity aspect at least rn wouldn’t be an issue because they’re still pulling v impressive streaming numbers especially for a group that hasn’t released new music in over a year + 4th/5th gen groups aren’t all that strong in general lbr

[short laurel]

Wait. Isn't it the account that made that fake pitstop mv n acted like actual njz account. Why it's still active

[lapis tendon]

Yea it’s the same one lol I saw people on X mass reporting it

[short laurel]

It needs to be gone

Many tokkies believe it's real njz

[clear hill]

Literally saw the anime version of the girls and the cat ear hat in the new illit comeback... Idk how ppl are denying the plagiarism allegations atp😭

Haters are gonna say “new jeans didn’t create anime shirts😒” they lack sm critical thinking skills it pmo

If this makes me a toxic tokki then so be it but if you look at the illit members you can really tell the blatant intention of copying the njz members 1:1. I remember when I first saw moka I legit thought it was haerin.

[polar owl]

While I agree with all the plagiarism, I can't agree that ILLIT members look anything like MHDHH? It's like saying all asians look the same.

[red thorn]

The last sentence is like stretching the point
But y'know can be enough lookalike with enough imitation

[short laurel]

https://www.kkinstagram.com/reel/DK1b6vrODeM/
Sorry but had to share 😅

[short laurel]

Also a group with 9 to 15 year old debuting soon?

[mild mist]

Don't tell me they're trying to make busters again

[hoary frost]

Really...?

I don't really think they tried for illit members to look like njz at all. The one that looks the closest to haerin would be youngseo

[subtle matrix]

People are denying the plagiarism allegations because when you're obsessively looking for similarities between two groups you'll find them. And 95% of the things brought up to "prove" that illit are plagiarising are things you can accuse almost every group of? Like the magical girl stuff a couple of weeks ago, yeah newjeans did it in the past but weren't there other groups doing the same concept even before that? Like there's a reason the concept of "magical girls" exists and neither illit nor newjeans created it

[hoary frost]

speaking of the magical girls thing I wonder why illit fans are so defensive over it when nothing I remember seeing their mvs and nothing about them give magical girl to me

[subtle matrix]

Also saying illit's members are a 1:1 copy of newjeans is just delirious

[hoary frost]

yes well this is fully true

[fallow forge]

Yeah

[copper jetty]

But still we can't actually deny that some of the things that that group did was borrowed from newjeans and MHJ's ideas... but that's totally not on the members themselves but the company... they have history of doing it but doing it from a co sublabel and even having the audacity to get the planning docs is on another level.

[subtle matrix]

We know from leaked internal documents that MHJ's planning docs were being used as a base or inspiration for other projects. That is pretty clear to see. But it gets silly when people are posting comparisons of basically singular frames, or one dance move, to prove that illit is just plagiarising everyone because you can literally do that with newjeans too. And people have done that with newjeans too

[subtle matrix]

Throughout this whole debacle and the accusations they were just another Y2K concept like newjeans the fandom grabbed on to the fact that illit's concept leans more into magical girl/dreamcore/whatever imagery and predictably when newjeans fans start not so subtly implying that those were also copied from newjeans, illit's fans will not react very nicely to it

[copper jetty]

That's true I agree.

But with Belift's history i don't even know what to think, honestly. They might've mishmashed ideas from one group to another. Especially this cb, I've seen ideas taken from NewJeans, what's to say they haven't taken anything from other groups too? We don't really have evidence for this so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

They might have or not... 🤷‍♀️

[subtle matrix]

What ideas have they taken from newjeans in this cb?

[old cypress]

"our" company lol

[copper jetty]

Previously I've only seen NewJeans with shirts or outfits depicting their own characters (animated)... I think I saw something on X with that group wearing one.

I'm not saying only 1 group can do that but... like I said i haven't seen anyone doing that before aside from NJZ since usually those are customized.

[hoary frost]

Well it was illit fans going crazy over a magical girl njz edit, but I'm just confused where this magical girl illit is coming from..? I never felt like it was the focus of their concept?

[old cypress]

illit basically took a facet of newjeans' identity and called it illitcore and made it their own

and they expanded from here. Eventually it'll stop looking like that part of newjeans

[subtle matrix]

"magical girl illit" has been a topic for a long time

[old cypress]

i don't recall them doing it before. Maybe in magazine shoots?

[hoary frost]

I mean i don't think it was their focus or concept at all? Like i saw powers in the magnetic mv but it didn't seem like their intention was to show htem as some sort of magical girl group

[subtle matrix]

I don't think it's their focus at all

[old cypress]

it's just the focus of the comeback

[subtle matrix]

Just something they leaned on in terms of imagery throughout their existence

[hoary frost]

if you really want to do a magical girl concept. It would be obvious and it honestly sounds like a really fun concept of a gg to do such a concept but again I didn't really see it

[hoary frost]

i didnt really see them lean into it, did they do it in the new mv? I only listened the song, didnt see the mv

[subtle matrix]

I don't think illit has any overarching concept in the same way newjeans does for y2k

[old cypress]

yeah illit is more like a classic kpop group that changes themes every comeback though there's an aesthetic language they've built over time

[hoary frost]

I dont think magical girl is part of this aesthetic language, just watched the new mv they did as well

[old cypress]

In magnetic era they had powers, it's basis for magical girls. Plus they've been using 90s aesthetics for many of their themes and sailor moon is exactly that

[subtle matrix]

Magnetic MV showed each girl having a different superpower I think (I don't remember but I think it was something like that) plus they used other "magical" imagery like unicorns I'm pretty sure

[old cypress]

it's not exactly magical girls (the avengers aren't magical girls, for example) but yes it's a basis

imo there's no point in discussing illit similarities with newjeans anymore because copying happens very often in kpop and the real problem was they were part of the same company. Now that newjeans is out, it's no longer a problem

[subtle matrix]

Not "magical girls" in the "sailor moon" sense but more like "girls with supernatural/magical abilities"

[drifting scaffold]

The magical side is more on the nose for their brand film, the mv for little monster

[hoary frost]

yes those are very diff things to me. again i think itd be quite blatant if they truly were to lean into it

[storm warren]

spill

they take bits and pieces from njz' ideas and sell it in different shape and gotta pretend their creative doesnt have njz on moodboard 24/7. not only njz but even rv and whole mhj's catalog

there is no need for them to do the same things njz does, but they do bc they have done it since debut and get away "bc njz is not first to do it anyways".

[hoary frost]

Well to me the issue is not them being part of the same company. The real issue is the intention of creating Illit, similar concept is not the issue but the similar concept + talks about being able to replace njz, stealing their documents, trying to put them on hiatus. I don't think its an issue for only one reason is that replacing them obviously didn't work

[hoary frost]

People finding random old movies and songs and comparing them to njz mvs is so braindead to me. The concept is literally y2k ...paying homage is an entirely different thing

[storm warren]

i cant care less but its obvious they ripped off plus global branding and njz planning documents and created their own derivative of njz. it would not be offensive if they were from other company, but its hybe sublabel

[hoary frost]

It's nothing at all like the issue of illit and njz and the copying was obviously done in a hostile manner

[storm warren]

they are under same roof. njz has not even marinated for 2 years before hybe let their sublabel dilute their brand by purposely creating topic about it

[hoary frost]

alongside saying they can replace new jeans easily and putting on hiatus

People need to look into context before giving opinions. but I guess people just want to run on pure narratives "but njz did this, but every group does this" which isn't the point

[storm warren]

no one invents anything new in kpop or pop. everyone reinvents by drawing inspo from existing visual media or music. mhj also didnt claim she invented anything.

if hybe or any other agency who now imitates njz are so capable, why didnt they do what njz did before njz debut

did they have to wait mhj to plan everything and showcase to suddenly get inspired

and now they want to act that njz is not on their moodboard?

belift ripped off plus global audition and njz's debut plan. thats a fact

it doesnt matter if they are magical girls or squirrels, nobody cares. ive did magical girl concept but nobody thought it was similar to njz. but they thought illit styling was similar to njz bbmas photoshoot. there are so many ways to be creative about styling and set design yet they fail to do it. still njz brand is not magical girls, njz does not have set concept. thats what mhj said herself, that njz should not be boxed in one concept.

njz does not own customized illustrations either, yet they are the group famous for having customized outfits w their illustrations. they have like 10-15 different customized outfit based on animated characters. thats part of their brand. illit cd takes such ideas that are unique to nj and then posts middle finger on her ig story, am i supposed to take her seriously? it seems she has inferiority complex

in the end kim taeho had to change his statement million times and end up saying that drawing inspo from njz was natural bc they were popular. they are just shameless

their performance director mocked njz after tokyo dome and said they were forcing retro on ppl. isnt illit style in mv retro look? didnt they use retro gadgets and visuals for concepts? belift just stinks of inferiority complex

[hoary frost]

Always hear about belift staff being unprofessional and doing weird shade on public social media

[storm warren]

i cant care less about them, but i despise dismissive statements like njz didnt do it first so its okay for illit to copy them. no one has done anything first. everyone draws inspo from somewhere be it books movies photoshoots real life or anything literally. but everyone puts together these ideas together differently and deliver them in unique form or shape. copying group that debuted 2 years ago is lazy and shameless work.

[hoary frost]

Also its something obvious after njz debuted, groups started to do similar concepts etc. People even say it in a bad way "oh look at how njz ruined the industry, we don't have fun concepts anymore etc". But if a bunny says it then they are delulu?

[storm warren]

same happened w illit. everyone flooded sns saying they were njz 2.0, but when scandal blew up suddenly mhj was delusional

[mild mist]

We've not had true 'fun' concepts for a few years, they were abandoned in favour of western (American) respectability

[storm warren]

I just accepted that its just how kpop is. trend chasing and focused on short term success. ofc thats why hybe is same

they didnt even let njz marinate for 2 full years. thats whats frustrating to me. any hybe group would do well without the need of ripping off their current successful group and creating noise marketing around it

so i cant help but believe that they did it to damage njz value

[old cypress]

of course they did it to damage njz

[hoary frost]

reason why njz blew up. they had a fresh concept for the time. and they always show so much respect to the artists and creatives who work with them. However when the same thing gets copy pasted it grows stale

[storm warren]

it was fresh. after bp, kpop got flooded w girl crush concepts. njz debut roll out, surprise factor, attention, hype boy individual mvs etc all felt absolutely novel for kpop atm

it was nostalgic and creative. be it concept or music, everything screamed quality.

[old cypress]

there's aespa though, they're always trying new stuff

[storm warren]

bc they have their own unique branding and color

[old cypress]

to me SM and newjeans are the ones leading kpop artistically

[hoary frost]

Yes and thats same reaso nwhy that allday project's song is now charting really high

[storm warren]

the groups that have their own color stand out without having to imitate others

[hoary frost]

SM usually tries different stuff. Rv, exo, aespa debuts for example are quite experimental

[old cypress]

SM execs believe that they have to create the next trend while hybe believes in using existing trends

[storm warren]

idk what sm believes in, but lsm leaving & sm creating divisions worked best for aespa

[hoary frost]

aespa is still following a similar outline to what they did at debut. I wouldnt say their concept or style is that different now, they just refined it

[old cypress]

yeah aespa just decided to free themselves from the lore and explore different styles

[hoary frost]

looking at h2h not really sure about the vision they have for them

[storm warren]

their music has gotten more public friendly in a way too

[old cypress]

h2h had a great debut but we gotta wait and let them cook

[storm warren]

they had more hyperpop inspo w savage and next level

[old cypress]

with yoo youngin out of the way, for sure haha

[hoary frost]

i love aespa's early songs so much honestly tbh, not sure how supernova is more public friendly than them, i think its also a factor of htem gaining popularity

[storm warren]

its easier on ears than their early songs

[old cypress]

public friendly is nonsense anyway when you look at the hit songs over the past decade

[hoary frost]

armageddon is alot more easier on the ears. But supernova became more popular.

[storm warren]

catchier hook and dance

[old cypress]

Armageddon is so good, the song MV and all the teasers. One of my all time favorite concepts

I wonder if Rima Yoon will ever work with newjeans. Their styles clash completely but it would be interesting to see

[storm warren]

it could work out imo. but mhj would not like something as excessive as armageddon or famous. sometimes i feel there is too much going on and all these transitions are too much

mhj also plans mvs unless she gives full creative control to mv director iirc. i think she could work w anyone and achieve completely different/unique result

im not huge fan of full cgi mvs tbh. mixture could be fun tho

[red thorn]

I wish not, I did respect Rigend studio in the past, tho they're not my cup of tea but they good at what they doing
But such a shame now they embrace genAI

[old cypress]

It's a style, I love both. It's part of why allday project is so successful

[storm warren]

they use ai?

[old cypress]

Rima Yoon directed the MV

[inner temple]

look as i said no hate to the group. Imo hybe should had been careful to not keep distinct similar steps from other groups + its a chorus choreo of the itzy song so ehh hybe could do better.

And i wanted to know others take on this as i have seen 0 people talk about it

The thing is hybe should had been careful and its not a normal step its a distint step, normal as in the type of steps u can see in many choreos distinct like these steps arent used normally

[hoary frost]

what even is this step

[inner temple]

I have no words for that but what i know is hybe is being direct but its getting unnoticed by alot of people

[old cypress]

It does happen. Nmixx and Stayc reused the viral whiplash move in their choreo for example

[inner temple]

The leg swing where they all dance to just instruments

[hoary frost]

show a vid

[inner temple]

im saying after the past of illit the illit copying stuff hybe should had been careful

[hoary frost]

honestly i wouldnt say its unnoticed people kind of know hybe for copying

[old cypress]

Why would they? They got away with copying already

[hoary frost]

But thing is that there's alot of hybe stans so

[old cypress]

Hybe stans will just be "xxx didn't invent the move"

[inner temple]

Stan the groups not the ent man :/

And imaginary friend didnt do good so ig most people dont know.

https://tenor.com/view/illit-do-the-dance-billyeoon-goyangi-gif-4394526823839876487

This one where they turn

[old cypress]

With the 1 leg?

[short laurel]

OMG. that NJZ illit chat. like said multiple times be4. issue with illit is not that they copied 1 to 1 newjeans. but their constantly took small parts of what newjeans used a sister group, not outside company and repeatedly used it. just enough to make it in gray area.

[inner temple]

Yesss

[short laurel]

it's no issue if u copy. hair style or cartoon. but it is an issue if u copy hairstyle, cartoon, dressing, marketing strategies, chreography etc again and again subtly.

[hoary frost]

Nobody expects kpop to be original. But the intent is obvious that they were trying to replace or something weird like that

[short laurel]

yea.

this is the thing most people of all fandoms involved not getting.

[hoary frost]

Idk what's so hard about it to get...? Hybe documents even revealed and people playing dumb

[short laurel]

even tokkies.

even tokkies here who were chatting earlier.

[inner temple]

u talking about me?

[hoary frost]

I think the random comparisions people make does sometimes makes the plagarism claims seem less serious, but well still it's quite obvious what the intent is

[storm warren]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1937446825218441548

🫧 (@catzkang)

(UPDATE)

Today, NJZ's Team submitted documents that outlines their arguments to the court (June 24, 2025). - Main Lawsuit

X · Jun 24, 2025, 9:44 AM

[short laurel]

many people who evere talking earlier and in the past. especialyl that one who said 1 to 1 copy.

[inner temple]

If u are talking about the itzy n illit thing, I neither talked about copying nor plagiarism I said how after all the past of that group hybe still attempted to have similar moves as other groups and that says smth about hybe, my point was taken wrongly idk why

[hoary frost]

oh not u

More like people on twitter

[inner temple]

Alr alr

Still tho as hybe keeps being direct and gets away from it i think hybe will keep doing it, its like a normal theif when doesn't get caught will continue stealing and even try to rob the bank (just imo.)

[short laurel]

all kpop do it but hybe makes it very obvious.

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/Njz_scoop/status/1937193538514469257

Scoop 🧢 (@Njz_scoop)

South Korea’s Ministry of Employment and Labor has officially dismissed claims that Min Heejin had covered up an employee's sexual harassment complaint and interfered with the investigation. Irrefutably, the case has been administratively CLOSED.

The Ministry found that all

X · Jun 23, 2025, 4:58 PM

[wraith cove]

Good news?

Great news.

[inner temple]

Damnnnn

[copper jetty]

The articles were published last January 2025. I think also iirc, didn't employee B want to change the main argument on the case against mhj? I forgot though...

[short laurel]

Yea that case still ongoing

[short laurel]

No. It is from this January 2025

[copper jetty]

My bad. I meant January 2025😭

Wait as per this article, the ministry of employment used a third party to investigate the cover up of sexual harassment and they found mhj innocent from this.

[short laurel]

Remember this is article from jan. Later ministry said mhj bad cuz she backbitch emp B

[copper jetty]

Yeah I remember this but I'm kind of confused cause wasn't employee B's case a defamation case?

[short laurel]

Honestly no idea. She'll win that case honestly since sk not care if what "defamer" says is true or false.

[copper jetty]

Are u talking about mhj or emp b?

[short laurel]

Bsh can sue us on defamation for calling him fat n win the case

[copper jetty]

True

I think if it's defamation emp b might win this

[short laurel]

Remember mhj disclose B's salary, mhj was wrong in that. But mhj didn't disclose who B is. No ine knows who she is. Infact no one even cared about her. it was B who put herself on the radar.

[copper jetty]

True.. but if it's in that context and it was posted on mhj's account, remember it's not just unknown people to them that's following mhj's ig. There will also be people who they've worked with that knows the context of those text so they can still argue that it was defamation.

[wraith cove]

I think gyatt is gonna rizz the case and we're gonna get a skibidiback

[short laurel]

Between the involved parties. No us she's just rando we'd nvr cared about if she fought silently with mhj. Instead she came in public n start enjoying support of hybe stans to prove her point. She's silent now but it's too late. Everyone already annoyed at her

[copper jetty]

Please translate that into normal English since I don't speak gen z.

[short laurel]

That's not gen Z. I m gen Z n I can't understand

They are between gen Z n gen alpha

[copper jetty]

I doth not comprehend what you sayeth.

[short laurel]

Even boomer is young for u

[copper jetty]

Lmao I just read a lot of Shakespeare poems, and poems from that time

Even music lmao... Classical is 🔥

*x https://x.com/Njz_scoop/status/1937412630458585147?t=q6xwvJj-mSiqyz1jymwc2g&s=19

[harsh dove]

@Njz_scoop <t:1750750141:d>

[short laurel]

and mhj did gave VP a verbal warning

[copper jetty]

I'm just confused cause I thought mhj vs employee B was a defamation case but why did it became a sexual harassment suddenly? Can someone refresh me again on this?

There's so many things and cases that I'm just confused af now.

[subtle matrix]

Employee B accused a VP of sexual harassment and MHJ of not doing a proper investigation/covering it up and workplace harassment or something like that

[copper jetty]

Ohh. So maybe I'm confusing the belift and soumu cases with employee B case then.

[red thorn]

Employee B intended to change the reason from SH to bullying at work

[inner temple]

Thats gen alpha

[copper jetty]

My bad then I'm a millennial so idk what generations those are.

[short laurel]

Uncle

[copper jetty]

Actually auntie.

I'm a woman what do u mean???

[short laurel]

Auntie

[copper jetty]

I'm ok with people calling me that though. I'm old and I know it. It's a natural process of life.

[river inlet]

i cant stand people talking about copying, like thats how music and art is made 100% of the time

and tokkis especially gotta leave illit members alone

[hoary frost]

Good thing the issue isn't just copying but the intent

Obviously inspiration is how art is made. that's not the issue which was already stated many times

[hoary frost]

True but at the same time I don't think tokkis are the ones making 2 hour long videos on illit members

[copper jetty]

No one is criticizing the members? We're criticizing Belift's history of taking things from creators.

[river inlet]

i mean the same stands for gllits on njz members

[river inlet]

im not talking about you specifically

[red thorn]

Still there's a line not only from how much taken and also what was exactly taken from copying

[river inlet]

can you explain

[hoary frost]

Here

[river inlet]

if this is truly the case i would understand but i think you can recognize thats not where most arguments have been coming lately

[hoary frost]

I even said that

But anyways people are devaluing the nature of the copying which was very malicious intent

it's very obvious to see so I don't know why people are in such denial of it. Even their own words having an ego saying we can dismantle new jeans and get another

[short laurel]

in court. MHJ got evidence from whistle-blower that belift took her documentation. and belift said even in the case mhj still defamed illit. even though all MHJ action had been against the company.

[hoary frost]

Mhj and hanni always mentioned never to attack girls and for hanni she didn't even mention their name till belift themselves came out. And hanni keeps on getting attacked with so many words on the daily for "causing hate"

hypocrite kpop fans finally have an excuse to say all sorts of terrible things under the worry of "causing hate"

[red thorn]

From concept which everyone free to use free like nature, two creators have same concept they wouldn't care because next it comes down to next process, idea same idea either coincidence or stolen, even then wouldn't really matter because next execution which is expression is more coherent based on creators own 'unique' or 'originality' so if other creator with same idea has the same or similar expression too then that's where the ground argument of work plagiarism/copying

[copper jetty]

Also, even if that were the case, even if the concept, idea and expression is the same, the processes might overlap one time... two times arguable. BUT if there's many instances already that it overlapped? Can it still be called inspiration though? That's what we're pointing out.

[inner temple]

We are not hating the members nor the group its the hybe we talking about.

[subtle matrix]

I mean it's pretty obvious that illit (like many other groups in the so called "5th generation") are heavily inspired by what newjeans have done and their success. From there to "copying with malicious intent" there is quite a gap that you are free to fill with the info that has been alleged, leaked and reported, if you are so inclined.

[inner temple]

Okay i so agree on that one when illit just debuted it was like almost everyone who saw the similarities in njz and illit and they pointed out choreo, scenes from mv etc but when scandal started up n stuff they all switched sides

[inner temple]

Honestly people need to give chance for small ent groups they are way better than some big ent groups too

[inner temple]

And I keep seeing vids like "njz talked bad about bts" n stuff is it even real???? Like

[short laurel]

no. only hybe stans talk bad about their own groups and blame it on others.

[short laurel]

i've been saying it since forever but even in nugu's toxicity is high T_T

[inner temple]

Well toxicity is in every fandom

Im just talking about the talent and concept n stuff those short ent groups have

[short laurel]

not fandom. the company.

[inner temple]

Oh yeah, tho I just follow the groups and some of the groups i follow have good ent even tho its small

my tops in 5th gen are unis n ahof yet to debut but yea and then izna, fifty fifty, zb1, xlov n etc

[old cypress]

They tend to use existing trends rather than do something new (which is fair since debuting a group is a huge investment)

[fallow forge]

If they don’t have valid proof then no just ragebait

[lapis tendon]

no but some of their fans are nutjobs and act like a criticism against HYBE = attacking BTS

I mean they're the same people that think MHJ and the girl caused one of the BTS members to get insomnia while in the military 😭 so

[mint elm]

so

uhm, who won

oh im fucking stupid, it said july 24

[red thorn]

Welcome to the present

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/cakejeanz/status/1937710748475482321

[harsh dove]

@cakejeanz <t:1750821218:d>

Remember the psychic who predicted that NJZ would change things in the industry? NJZ success well, she made a prediction for NJZ again and said that a person with too much money would help NJZ. And with that they would be freed, it was over for HYBE.

[cinder narwhal]

NJZ by MrBeast?!

[red thorn]

This is like manifesting
Moneyfest

[lapis tendon]

wasnt there that rumor a while ago that some anonymous billionare was offering to buy out their contracts lol

[short laurel]

There's recently weird rumours going around idols with rich ppl again. I wouldn't trust if a rich person buy out their contract. 😭

[stiff prairie]

Nah no rich ppl would dare do weird things w an outspoken group like this

Do it for your apple music boost tim cook : 🙏

[copper jetty]

2 more days until another case for MHJ.

I just hope soumu don't delay things again.

[stiff prairie]

what's the latest on mhj?

[copper jetty]

Honestly? I forgot already if anything did happen but from what I remember, wasnt both of this got delayed? They're waiting on the ruling if MHJ kktalk chats can be submitted as evidence (belift case). Soumu got delayed before (no idea what reason Hybe told the judge). So if i remember, if 27 would proceed, then this would be the first one for soumu and mhj.

[stiff prairie]

time skip arc when

[copper jetty]

If only... time skip to when they're already preparing for their cb.

[hoary frost]

Quite a gap?

[subtle matrix]

Yeah

[hoary frost]

how

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1937784367163801600

🫧 (@catzkang)

Now that the appeal process for the provisional disposition has officially ended, the focus will shift back to the main lawsuit. This main lawsuit is much more important because it will decide the longterm outcome of the dispute, not just the temporary situation.

X · Jun 25, 2025, 8:06 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1937784367163801600 does not contain any media!

[rugged dagger]

[grizzled summit]

Let's just face it ADOR will win 💔 😭

Loss after loss is a bad sign

[honest sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948918104866574366/1384539427807821915/monke.gif

[lyric geyser]

Why would they win

The judges gotta realize that they’re putting their life at stake if they let a corrupt company win over 5 innocent women

Korea’s 4B movement didn’t come out of nowhere

The tensions have never been so high in Korea

And Hybe will never win, I don’t believe the girls will ever return to ADOR, if they need to pay a fee (which they shouldn’t) they’ll just pay it and still leave

The law also protect against unreasonable contracts so it’s not like HYBE can try to bankrupt them if they leave

Especially after that drama earlier this year with the actress that suicided

[heady gate]

The laws protect the people, but their Korean judges are questionable.

[subtle matrix]

Pretty self explanatory I'd say, no? The similarities between the two are obvious. The "malicious intent" requires you to read into a bunch of documents and conversations that we don't even have full access to

[mild mist]

Break the Wall - Dreamcatcher

[sweet pebble]

bruh when will the judges lock in

[hoary frost]

WHAT

[fleet nebula]

yeah skip the appeals, focus on the main trial, court clearly not going to grant the appeal so save time/money/energy/resources and go in on the main trial for the W

[thick glade]

I imagine it'll save on stress too. Even if the appeals are not as important, it can feel bad to see lots of media/haters saying that you're losing.

And honestly if you fight against a shit system and dont win, you're a fkin fighter, not a loser.

I do think they'll win the main trial tho.

[bronze talon]

im positive about it too
i mean you can see their lawyers side is adding more and more info or arguments to the case
and if mhj wins her case against soumu it might be possible to use some of that info for their case as well

justice is gonna be served right
the truth will always come out in the end

[subtle matrix]

The only option would be appealing to the supreme court which from my understanding would be unlikely to take the case

The main lawsuit is still ongoing

[copper jetty]

I'm not feeling as positive as before in the main lawsuit but wth, if they lose then they lose. I'm on the "idc if they lose opinion" cause wether they win or not, I'll still be waiting for them and supporting them. Also, even if they lose, i don't think they'll go back to Ador so that contract will still be nulled, they'll just need to pay the fine and at that point they're free either way.

[waxen musk]

As time moves forward, I have become increasingly more accepting of this hypothetical situation I've thought about the girls moving towards, which is them saying that all of this is not worth it if it causes so much pain and stress for them, and instead find other things to make them happy in life.

Of course, there's no indication they've given up, with Dani recently giving that hopeful message just a few days ago. It's just that is kind of all we've got to go on for what feels like a long while now.

Before that was probably Hanni's live, which is coming up on two months ago. It's crazy. I'm struggling to remember the last contact from any of them that gives indication of hope other than these two instances.

[copper jetty]

Idk, i think that they might be putting on a happy front for us sometimes. And during the omega event, dani was happy but, it wasn't still the same as before (maybe it's just me and idk if i saw correctly). I do understand that they're still fighting and trying to stay strong but I do hope they put themselves first in this.

[bronze talon]

agreed on everything except the thing with the not being positive
i mean sure, i can understand and i do have some worries bc its not set in stone, but i still keep a positive mindset towards all of this

we all will be waiting no matter the outcome

[waxen musk]

She was there for work, and yeah I agree it felt different. I'm not a fan of analysing people based on just vibes like this but it's hard not to. But the few little clips of her seeing Bunnies, you can tell she still shines in those situations.

[bronze talon]

i think they do but they are fighters, we know that
and i think they love their job as an artist individually and as a group so much they dont want to give this up at all
name change or not, them being together has been a priority for some time now and theyve talked about them strengthening their bond even further with the times theyve been through

[waxen musk]

I do think it's way too early to really gauge how this main lawsuit is going. I know the injunction has reduced everyone's hope, but it shouldn't really affect the hope we should have for the main lawsuit.

[bronze talon]

ye
the injunction is for some temporary ruling anyway

[waxen musk]

I really do think the lack of contact from the girls is causing some of this loss of hope. But I don't want them to know this or feel this burden.

[bronze talon]

theyre not obligated to inform us weekly or even monthly
id not worry about them this much, they got this, believe in them, end of story

[waxen musk]

I'm not talking about myself when I say that, it's just the sense I get online.

[bronze talon]

theyre on a hiatus anyway so theres other things to worry about
we're not involved in this lawsuit, all we can do is support and believe in what they think is the right thing to do and time will tell

[waxen musk]

Nothing has changed for me. I sense a loss of hope in general. But I'm just trying to understand it. My hope is still strong.

[bronze talon]

i can understand the loss of hope point and its only reasonable
thats the case for a lot of people
but i think just handle the situation rational and somewhat realistic as a person, you can still be a fan and do that, be supportive and all that
the outcome will effect your feelings and thoughts sure as well as the anticipation of whats to come but i think its still important to keep it real

they told us what theyre gonna and wanna do, time to support them and let time do its thing
i do believe 100% in them and that what they fight for is the right thing. the 5 come over as sincere and honest people when its somewhat serious and we all know how the industry is

[waxen musk]

Where can I find a recap of what has happened so far with MHJ vs Source? The previous (second) hearing was on May 30. The third is tomorrow.

My memory is shockingly bad.

[bronze talon]

not sure, i dont keep up with all that
when i see it, i may read it and move on and create my opinion on it

[cerulean lake]

super late response but yeah it’s super obvious how much nwjns influenced 5th gen and idk why some people still deny it 😭

like of course they might not be the first ones to do that concept but they were the most impactful, just like how blackpink was w girl crush and twice with the cutesy concept. i noticed how a whole bunch of groups changed into a carefree type concept style similar to ditto after them 💁‍♀️

[cerulean lake]

saw some tiktoks abt nwjns and their choreo/music and the comments saying that they missed them 😪😪 smh i can imagine some of those commenters asking them before.

hope people realize how fun kpop was with nwjns around now that they’re in hiatus 🥲🥲

[copper current]

As long as NJZ are not in the hell ador that is good, Their mentality is more important. I don't like seeing them being hurt or tortured mentally by ador.

[cerulean lake]

welp these corrupt ceos and high ranking officials in the entertainment industry are lowkey sadistic so i fear they will continue to keep targeting them, as seen with the constant mediaplay

[marsh roost]

I thought we're still in 4th gen (led by newjeans, aespa, etc.)

[red thorn]

I believe the era not yet fully defined as 5th
So we are still 4th

[hoary frost]

Just means they are focusing on the main trial. But people will run with this as they have given up

[hoary frost]

It's a conclusion from publically available and widespread info

[clear hill]

I feel like this is such an overdone argument— this group has done xyz, njz aren’t the first to do xyz—like YES this concept isn’t owned by njz obviously 💀 artms did wings and guess what??its not even a comparison to NJZ because artms have their own brand identity that we can completely separate from other group. And people are constantly bringing up similarities because belift is literally being sued by Mhj for plagiarism, it’s only natural that people will find things even if minuscule to support this stance.

Also let’s not forget, the same people denying the plagiarism allegations are the same people that hated on lesserafim for their singing at coachella then started supporting them when they dropped the documentary and came back from their hiatus, the same people that said illit copied njz when they first debuted then started hating on njz when everybody turned on them, the same people that hated Hybe because of leaked internal documents about other idols then decided to forget about them because “njz aren’t going by the law and Hybe as a company needs to put these spoiled brats in their place” and so many other instances. This is not a matter of people disagreeing with the comparisons because they believe it’s far fetched-it’s people letting media play,fan wars and hate trains form opinions for themselves instead of critically thinking and dissecting the information to form their own opinion.

I never said njz created the magical girl concept but denying the plagiarism after seeing a pattern is just delusional 😭 and I’m saying this as unbiased as I can be

[clear hill]

Exactly

[hoary frost]

it's not unnoticed. But people just don't really care

[clear hill]

Exactly!! Like how are people missing my point? Obviously they didn’t create the concept but this argument is irrelevant in this conversation if we consider the nuance of the whole illit belift plagiarism scandal. It’s like saying red velvet didn’t create creepy but cute concepts when talking about how much that solidified their concept as a group

[frozen granite]

What’s happening with newjeans? I keep hearing mixed stuff

[clear hill]

I get that people are tired of hearing njz but it’s obvious they’re just becoming the scapegoat for every minor inconvenience in fan wars. People are just tired of hearing about anything regarding njz because the general consensus about them is no longer positive and they don’t want to be seen as a bunny during these times. They can secretly love njz when the girls are being hated on but when the public adored them they adored them just as much as the next person.

[hoary frost]

Ofc they are the scapegoat. i keep on seeing njz and bunnies being blamed for everything. Even things that happened before they debuted. actually one thing I know is that people had a weird attitude to njz even when they debuted. Yes they were popular but one thing I saw is that kpop fans talked about them in a very weird way especially when they debuted

[clear hill]

Well imo yunah looks like hyein and moka looks a lot like haerin 😭 and I only said that because labels are extremely intentional when it comes to the appearances of the trainees they debut. The group image is extremely important to them and I highly doubt that this didn’t come into consideration when debuting a group. I’m not saying that to frame and say ever member is a 1:1 identical copy of njz but I feel like the overall vibes mirror each member of njz almost like Hybe was trying to recreate the vibe of each member.

[hoary frost]

i dont see how moka looks anything lkie haerin or even has a simliar vibe nor yunah looking like hyein. And their vibes are nothing like njz members either to me

Catlike member of illit was going to be youngseo

njz member all have distinct personalities and I don't really see any illit member looking like they are trying to mirror them or having similar traits

[subtle matrix]

belift is literally being sued by Mhj for plagiarism

No they're not

[clear hill]

Yeah ngl i noticed this heavy esp because I vividly remember how alienated they were in the kpop sphere when they debuted.the allegations of mhj being a 4 letter word and word that rhymes with groomer because of the cookie, hype boy mv and hyein debuting at 14 and them having big company privilege when they first debuted was the most common discourse and it’s like people had a reason to hate on them from the start. My personal opinion is that people noticed how unorthodox they were compared to other groups and it felt like to them they were disrupting the kpop scene. You can definitely tell they changed the industry and a lot of people simply didn’t like that

[clear hill]

I mean the opposite 😭 u get what I mean

[hoary frost]

Mhj was the main reason

Also hybe family islike Lol. they are playing cute together now but I know moa and engene are apparently sworn enemies. and they now say njz was carried by the hybe family promotion when a lot of them were being weird too

[clear hill]

Yea, I think a lot of people didn’t want to accept the fact that this person they hate so much is responsible for the success of a girl group that is getting a lot of praise

[hoary frost]

the facts didnt match up to the headcanons. Now see how they run with uncomplete information, misinfo and lies

[clear hill]

I don’t really know much about the other groups tbh. I wish I did but I don’t really listen to any other groups other than njz loona twice and aespa 💀 I know that company stans do go crazy defending their favs company tho

[red thorn]

Belieft filed lawsuit and at same time challenged mhj to prove her plagiarism claim there, they know that it's nearly impossible to prove, no guide lines as paramater too
not like music/song plagiarism

[clear hill]

Wait but didn’t the creative director of illit try so hard to get their hands on the newjeans debut formula/blueprint documents?

[red thorn]

The hard evidence would be if there's record of conversation of that intent

[bronze talon]

the only thing on this matter with the conference she held in the beginning that shes dead right on is that if everyone just makes similar concepts the whole scene/industry will look identical and gets boring and repetetive, and guess how a lot already see kpop rn? you know the answer

like ofc theres no guideline and its just inspiration in the end, sure to some extend imo as well but yk

[hoary frost]

now people are already crying saying new jeans ruinedkpop

[bronze talon]

i see lots of people calling it boring without them bc many have adapted to this style

not a lot but noticeable

[clear hill]

Ohh. So evidence like og ador staff being followed home and asked for their laptops, the creative director personally asking for njz blueprint and etc isn’t enough? Does it have to be concrete evidence of them explicitly saying they want to copy njz and replace them with illit for the court to see it as valid?

[bronze talon]

but didnt some/a lot say that they ruined it long time before when this all started bc they are worried that if their faves is not feeling well or feels unsave in their company they will go to court to terminate their contract, losing their fav member/group?

bc theyre changing the industry

idk how this is not a good thing for them? like ig these people are blind to the truth but yea these companies dont treat idols the best way and usually the rulings in those contracts arent human friendly either

i feel like their motto is like: suffer for my entertainment and parasocial activity

[clear hill]

I feel like that’s just self explanatory on their behalf 😭 I wouldn’t even take into account what people like that have to say if they’re worried about their favs disbanding more than their favs wellbeing

[bronze talon]

for them its like a entertaining type thing, deep down they just want to actually see the stuff they do. like performing, doing content so they can escape their reality. lets be real. most people online creating hateful posts have some issues going on with them and gotta let out their frustration bc they arent happy with themselves

[waxen musk]

Some more copium from 1tokki if you need topping up:
https://x.com/juantokki/status/1938057156672278736

Choosing not to file another appeal was actually a smart and strategic move. Given how the courts have consistently interpreted the injunction so far, it was highly unlikely that a further appeal would have changed anything... especially considering the procedural limitations of injunction reviews. At best, it would’ve just delayed the inevitable and drained more time, energy, and momentum.

Redirecting their focus to the main lawsuit (본안 소송) is not only practical but potentially game-changing. It's important to understand that injunctions are temporary by nature... they can be overturned retroactively, overruled, nullified going forward or rendered void that could even potentially result in compensation for damages caused by wrongful injunction during the course of the trial or depending on the final outcome of the main suit. That’s where the real battle lies.

Under Korean civil law, the Civil Execution Act (민사집행법) gives courts a clear legal mechanism to do all of that — to reassess, adjust, or revoke an injunction based on new facts, evolving circumstances, or shifts in legal standing during the course of the trial.

In other words, if something major changes, like new evidence is presented, or the balance of harm between the parties shifts, the court can revisit its earlier decision. That’s the nature of injunctions: they’re provisional, not final. What happens in the main lawsuit can absolutely reshape or override them later on.

By consolidating their legal resources and energy into the main proceedings, NewJeans' team is arguably making their most calculated and forward-thinking decision yet. In this kind of high-stakes case, strategy is everything, and this one shows they’re thinking long-term.

[bronze talon]

i would never go out my way to post malicious intent posts. like whats the point? you dont know them, you will never have anything to do with those people and in the end its literally for internet validation and have people agree with you

its all just a opinion battle online, nothing more

[clear hill]

Exactly. That’s why you have to make a distinction between fans like them and fans who actually touch grass and don’t center their life around kpop. The general consensus is irrelevant if the same sentiment is coming from people who don’t hold ground to make constructive and valid criticisms.

[bronze talon]

yep and guess who or what small percentage group of people is getting the most attention to shape all kinds of diff target groups opinion

the empty vessel makes the loudest sound i suppose

[clear hill]

It takes a lot of courage for people to admit they dont know much about a situation and are clueless on how they feel regarding something and simply know their information from biased media outlets and fanwars. People feel it’s a direct attack to them personally and this fanwars shit gets personal 🤣🤣

[vale grove]

Hell I am a fan of njz and have no idea what’s going on

[bronze talon]

and you dont have to know

[vale grove]

Honestly yeah, it’s so like emotionally exhausting

[bronze talon]

you can be a fan and just be patient until they bring new music, thats what this groups all about after all
make music

[vale grove]

Period

[clear hill]

Yeah😭 stans act like there’s guidelines on how to properly be a fan lmao

[bronze talon]

you dont even have to care about what hardships they go through or know what kinda things they personally do off camera
just enjoying their music and admiring it is enough to be a fan, thats what its all about anyway

such groups are here to first, make music you can listen to, second, you watching their music videos and maybe dance choreos if youre into that and lastly entertain you. sadly with the schemes these companies have (since a lot of time) they make you hyper focused on those groups and make you want to know more about them (with all the cute culture and the innocent behaviour it makes it even easier to hook listeners to be more interested in the artist/members and be interested in everything they do but thats a diff topic (also wanting everything they have))

[clear hill]

In a world that normalized the extreme polarization of being into something (you have to be extremely passionate about this group and know everything about this group to say you’re a fan or know so little and only know them from a couple songs) it’s so refreshing to be a casual enjoyer of something 😭

[bronze talon]

gotta be rly chill yea

[cerulean lake]

i lowkey think 5th gen started w nwjns but that’s just my opinion

but nwjns is still 4th gen if that makes sense

[cerulean lake]

some people just feel like their own lives get better once they shit on others 😭

[marsh roost]

I thought it works with the emergence of dominant groups? so 1st gen no idea, 2nd gen was girls gen/2ne1, 3rd gen twice/bp, 4th gen nj/aespa/etc.

after nj no one else has emerged as dominant to usher in the 5th gen

[cerulean lake]

idk i feel like their was a big concept shift after nwjns so that’s why i believe they kinda opened up a new gen but i still see them along with their 4th gen peers

[waxen musk]

Why does it matter that generations have to be determined? It doesn't happen with any other types of music. I don't know what purpose it serves. To tell people when a group was active? You can just say which decade or years they were active. To tell people which general sound was popular during each generation? This isn't exactly ever going to be agreed upon and there might be generations where this isn't even the case. I hate this topic.

[cerulean lake]

but again that’s just my take 😅 and these gens don’t really matter much to me tbh

[marsh roost]

I guess the purpose it serves is to distinguish who is setting the main trends or something

[cerulean lake]

same i clocked out after the injunction result. i’ll rather not interact w toxic ppl under every nwjns related post

[heady gate]

June 27 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music

that is tomorrow

[sweet pebble]

did njz actually lose the appeal?

[red thorn]

But somewhat collective-arbitrarily agreed in k-pop. Happened, masses already determined the gen era into known knowledge

[heady gate]

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/entertainment/k-pop/20250625/south-korean-courts-decision-to-ban-independent-activities-by-newjeans-finalized

[vale grove]

Yeah it’s super emotionally exhausting

[copper current]

NJZ attorneys are so bad. Let's see if they can do anything to protect the girls, if not, they should not be hired again. They lost so many rounds already, so incapable.

Why no one voices their concerns about this, these lawayers are so bad whereas NJZ should have strong case, or they try to be bad on purpose?

[grizzled summit]

This.

[short laurel]

Again. N again. How many times do we have to say that the injunction objection n appeal didn't have any attendance. Lawyers were only submitting. They were not able to object then n there. Court took whatever lawyers submitted as truth.
We can't judge the lawyers ability from this.
If u wanna call their lawyers bad, then wait for main court.

In injunction so much is not looked at properly.

[ornate zephyr]

they have one of koreas top law firms but hybe has an even better firm

roughly 2 and 1 in ranking respectively

[upbeat stream]

I think they made the right arguments in the appeal. What can they do if the judges decide to rule on the mhj case themselves while the lawsuit is ongoing?

They should've gone with mhj's 1st injunction ruling which ruled that she did not harm ador, therefore she should not be removed, as that's the only official ruling on the matter. But no, they ruled on it themselves

[cerulean lake]

i mean maybe their attorneys aren’t as good as hybe’s or mhj’s but honestly, their case is also a lot more difficult to prove. it’s more so of an emotional case rather than financial (as of now) and that’s really hard to prove when it comes to mistreatment, unless they miraculously have evidence of hybe paying the media to talk trash abt them or smth.

i think one of the reasons why the judge allowed hybe to win the injunction was bc of the fact that even though there might have been some mistreatment, the fact that ador still paid nwjns showed that they weren’t mistreated enough 😑

[cerulean lake]

yup just stopped interacting w kpop in general unless some wild headline popped up. lowkey recommend it

[copper jetty]

And also the actions of the previous company members like mhj. They submitted mhj's letter to source and belift to reflect that they were in fact protecting newjeans and the court didn't distinguish the ador before and after mhj left... that was one of the key point too.

[empty halo]

they should realise that but the question is will they
not everything that should happen, happens

mhdhh are never ever returning to ador, no doubt. the issue is about whether or not the way they left is contractually okay or not which boils down to whether the trust was broken. we get it but will the judges?

[clear hill]

Unfortunately it’s the “better” firm because the law firm directly works with corrupt corporations. S Korea lives within an oligarchy and its extremely hard to dismantle since the corrupt and powerful corporations and entities worked so hard to protect their little safety net.

[ornate zephyr]

yes and so happens the firm has lots of former judges/prosecutors sitting on their benches

just how the system has been going since 😵

[clear hill]

Yea it’s an extremely sad predicament the girls are in. People are mad at them for standing up to a system that will never have their best interests instead of being mad theres a corrupt system in the first place. It’s twisted

I already saw a yt video out talking about the situation (ofc didn’t watch it) and the thumbnail is literally just hanni. Hanni has become a scapegoat for everything. It’s vindictive and heartbreaking to see her National Assembly photos being used to mock their case and label them as “evil” “mean” “bullies” when she just stated that she wanted to be treated like a human being.

Like hello???😭

[hoary frost]

she looks good in those photos so I just ignore them. failed mock

they always use hanni as their target too

[bronze jetty]

they’re being xenophobic without realizing it

[grizzled summit]

Can anyone give me all the rulings of whatever cases related to njz or mhj has come out

[bronze talon]

quite literally

its some passive thing going on in their mind that they believe shitting on others is a validation to their unhappiness with themselves so they dont have to think about their problems to feel better

[copper jetty]

Quick question guys... Where'd hybe stans get that NJZ wants to go back to hybe???

I'm seeing things quoted on X and I don't know where they pulled that out of..

[hushed whale]

their ass lol

[storm warren]

voices in their head

[copper jetty]

I mean..

I thought we've (bunnies and them H stans) already established that NJZ are never going back to hybe??

[marsh roost]

never say never, but I wouldn't bet on it

[copper jetty]

Yeah but the girls already previously stated though that they're not going back there.

[old cypress]

not willingly at least

if they lose and don't want to pay the penalty then they'd have to work under ador

[marsh roost]

in the best of the worst case scenarios, they lose but strike a compromise with ador to offer the best working conditions possible

[subtle matrix]

I don't believe that scenario could happen... However unlikely it is it's still more likely in my opinion that they just decide to go back

[marsh roost]

yeah obviously it would never be a totally free decision by them

[subtle matrix]

The only realistic scenarios imo are winning the lawsuit, losing and staying in hiatus or settling the termination of the contract

[copper jetty]

Or hear me out... someone buy their contract... and IP.

Any chaebol here willing???

[hoary frost]

Headline that they stopped trying to appeal injuction. btw the one person they are quoting the most who is saying this is someone who doxxed garams friend

[subtle matrix]

Too expensive I think

[copper jetty]

True... we can dream though.

[clear hill]

Probably a compromise involving mhj

[copper jetty]

with everything that went down, remember MHJ also first extended to make peace with HYBE and Hybe didn't accept... Also MHJ not accepting the position Hybe offered, i don't think there will be a compromise with that.

I agree with Lou on what would be the most likely scenario.

[clear hill]

I think they were very firm on not wanting to go back to Hybe, and f they do then Im sure it’s gonna be mentally exhausting for them:((

[copper jetty]

yeah.. I wouldn't want them to go back. They'll be a walking target in that building.

If they go back there's a chance that employees can openly bully and mock them and not just online. The hostile environment they had before wouldn't even compare.

[hollow sorrel]

I have a question.

The contract termination is effective if they send the 2 weeks notice. (even if it’s unilateral)

So the contract is already terminated no matter what? The court can’t force them to be part of a contract they don’t want to do.

[bronze talon]

we gotta get elon on this job (real)

[copper jetty]

nope.

https://tenor.com/view/nwjns-newjeans-kpop-memes-kpop-gif-kim-minji-gif-13539562238387733631

[bronze talon]

why not he has the money to buy them out of this hell

[copper jetty]

i'd rather the owner of apple do it.

[subtle matrix]

The court can't force them to work at ador but it can force them to respect the terms of the contract

[bronze talon]

who cares who it is
as long as they have money to support them by getting them out lol

[subtle matrix]

Meaning the court can rule they have to pay a contract termination fee

[copper jetty]

the court will also be the one who determines how much the termination fee is.

[hollow sorrel]

Yes but the contract termination fee only comes into play if the contract is terminated.

A penalty is not paid upfront so they can instantly start promoting as NJZ, and pay off the penalty gradually.

[copper jetty]

and that is why I think, if they really are adamant on not going back... Then the most likely scenario if they lose will be to pay the termination fee. Now how that payment goes, then the NJZ team and Hybe team will have to settle on that.

[subtle matrix]

Is this chat vilifying hybe so much that they'd rather have newjeans being financed by Elon Musk, a guy who literally pulled 2 n*zi salutes just a few months ago? lol

[copper jetty]

that's why i said nope on him. I'd rather NJZ members and team not have any interactions / link whatsoever connected to him.

[hollow sorrel]

They sent the 2 week notice and ADOR likely didn’t take any action against the issues raised by NewJeans.

I also think the termination penalty will be different from the numbers circulating around.

The main trial’s judge is known for favoring the oppressed in unfair contract disputes so I can see a scenario where he reduces the termination costs.

Most NewJeans members were minors when they signed the contract and for their first years literally all of them were minors so I can see it as a reason to reduce penalties. (If NewJeans partially loses the case)

[subtle matrix]

Yes but the contract termination fee only comes into play if the contract is terminated.

You kinda lost me here tbh I don't get what you mean

A penalty is not paid upfront so they can instantly start promoting as NJZ, and pay off the penalty gradually.

Where is this coming from? Afaik there's really no info about how a contract termination fee would work

[copper jetty]

The process of them terminating, wouldn't be where the main argument is, if they followed what is on the contract. The reason for terminating the contract would be the main point and it's really vague. The judge even questioned how to interpret "broken trust."

[hollow sorrel]

The penalty fee could be paid from installments
(eg: a given amount every year/month)

it could also be paid from a portion of their earnings I think (let’s say they make money as NJZ and 40% of the income goes towards paying the penalty)

or if they sign with a new label it can pay for their penalties in exchange for ownership of them

I’m curious to see what kind of fee the court will set if they even have to pay one

Does anyone have the exact part of their contract that refers to the termination process? I think it was in the Appeal’s verdict

[copper jetty]

Keep in mind though that HYBE has to agree with how NJZ team pays if they lose. If HYBE argues to pay the full payment it's also up to them. (I think they would be petty enough to do this though) and the court would then mediate.

[hollow sorrel]

I think ADOR can make suggestions but the court decides the method, timeline and amount of the payment

[copper jetty]

oh thank god then... I just hope that the court wouldn't agree if Hybe suggested they pay it full.

[hollow sorrel]

I think that’s only if they agree to settle (then they would both create the terms to come to)

[copper jetty]

I think that's where that's going though. That's the most likely scenario for me if they lose.

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1834341682315239705

[harsh dove]

@cato_o_o <t:1726176112:d>

[hollow sorrel]

Thank you

[subtle matrix]

iirc there's precedent for the court reducing the termination fee if they deem the terms to be unreasonable, and I suppose there should be a possibility of allowing the members to pay in installments. However these things are the discretion of the court. It's not guaranteed that any of this will happen. The most likely scenario in my opinion is a settlement where both of these things will be agreed by both ador and the members - and in that case the court will have no say in it.

[copper jetty]

also this is the timeline and from what i know the Injunction judge thinks the end of working day on the 14 days should still count. They should've started counting on the 15th day. smh

*https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1903826857021341844

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram)

The judge also said NJZ didn't give ADOR the full 14 days for corrective action before presscon to announce contract termination.

Nov 13 - NJ sent letter
Nov 14 - morning, ADOR received
Nov 28 - 7:30pm - ADOR sent response
Nov 28 - 8:30pm - presscon
Nov 29 - contract ends

X · Mar 23, 2025, 3:11 PM

[hollow sorrel]

I don’t really see a possibility that they settle tbh.

The only settlement I think they will do is in the future for the NewJeans IP but we’ll see

[copper jetty]

i think they would settle, but what i mean on settle would be the payment settlement when the contract is terminated.

Wait... if newjeans wins, does Hybe need to pay too? I mean they can argue damages since NJZ couldn't even promote to uphold injunction.

Or could they have the IP as settlement.
Just asking

[subtle matrix]

Probably not beyond legal fees and such

[hollow sorrel]

I think they can file for damages because HYBE disrupted their working business?

eg: cancellation of fanmeeting and messing up relation with producers

[grizzled summit]

Why can't the lawyers just show this, and BOOM they easily win I have no idea why not the do this they're wasting time

[short laurel]

that's exactly what they are doing though.

issue is to prove the breach of trust.

[sage fulcrum]

It seems like they want to find out if they are weekdays (Monday to Friday) or not

[copper jetty]

I mean it says 14 days on the contract. Not 14 business days.

[short laurel]

idols work all days they not have weekends.

only holiday is after CB promotions ends.

[cerulean lake]

ik it seems simple and such but unfortunately it’s not. i do think that their legal team could’ve approached their case to the judge in a different and better way but again, im not a legal expert so i shouldn’t really say much 🥲🥲

[lament delta]

Hi wtf is happening why do I keep hearing negative news
Been off from social media abt njz since April tho someone fill me in and tell me if my girls are gonna be okay cuz I have no hope left 😭

[cerulean lake]

i’ve been out of the loop too but so far it’s not looking the best for them legally. the only thing we can really do rn is wait for further developments

[old cypress]

Nothing really changed since, the main trial hasn't really moved forward yet

[subtle matrix]

What are you trying to say?

[heady gate]

they won't go back. End of conversation

[subtle matrix]

I don't think they will

[dapper root]

giving up on the re appeal isnt a great sign

[subtle matrix]

It's not a sign at all

Appeal to the supreme court would be a waste of time

[hoary frost]

settlement doesnt mean they would go back

[bronze talon]

agree more in this one
i mean you could think it could be a bad indication but its for a temporary ruling anyway

the whole drama and important takeaway from all of this is that the 5 wanna get out of the company afterall

[subtle matrix]

All the legal opinions that came out from korea said unless there were some major procedural issues the supreme court wasn't going to rule any differently. People are just trying to stir up rumours of them returning

[bronze talon]

agreed
people being inpatient

[hoary frost]

Hi I know I’m late I just noticed I’m not getting their feeeeeeddddd on Instagram ik Minji and Hanni had individual accs r they gone now??? When was that

[river inlet]

i think the minji one deconfirmed.

i would wait for official statements, havent seen any not using old stuff.

[marble cape]

anyone know what this is about? https://x.com/juantokki/status/1937502885300039693?s=46&t=9soyW0p90scMzt4hsDRP7A

1tokki (@juantokki)

I've been browsing back and I saw posts regarding this video...

We’ve talked about this before: how fake accounts pretending to be the girls keep popping up, and how dangerous this was. Back then, some of you brushed it off as a joke. Others even took advantage of the situation

X · Jun 24, 2025, 1:27 PM

whats the context to this?

[hoary frost]

Some threat

[marble cape]

can u explain?

[jade jolt]

As i saw some days ago when this popped up on my tl for the first it was that fake njz channel on yt who pretended to be the official one and even posted an “pit stop mv” posted a wierd video threatening the girls that if they return to the company something bad will happend and they are not safe and that they lied in court and they will face severe consequences for their actions if they re-enter the company and that no one will protect them now. The video was disturbing and it was made to look like the account got hacked but it was definitely on purpose. Now it s hopefully deleted

[static oriole]

anyone knows at what time is todays hearing?

[heady gate]

It is usually in the afternoon. We shall see.

[waxen musk]

It's almost always in the afternoon.

If there's a delay, don't be surprised.

The legality of the KKT messages being used as evidence will also be decided today.

[copper jetty]

Oh I didn't know that the ruling on the kkt messages is also today. If the court does/doesn't agree to those what could potentially happen? I know the ruling on those is a big factor cause that's the only thing hybe has on mhj and some of them is even tied up to the main case.

[fallow forge]

Are we supposed to be streaming

[upbeat stream]

Since the girls still earn from streams and sales, yes

[sweet pebble]

dang

[upbeat stream]

postponed to July 18 lmao

We're never seeing the end of this

[heady gate]

MHJ has a case on July 18 with Belift

[upbeat stream]

Yes, it looks like the two cases may get combined idk

[heady gate]

lol

[frozen granite]

Are we cooked or cooking ?

[short laurel]

Why delayed? Did somu asked for it?

[red thorn]

My theory is that a party keep requested material evidence from other case and judge be like "goddamit, combine!"

[short laurel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1938415370681065901?t=knycC9tPMl3WzvuVz-RB4g&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki)

It's actually insane how 걸플갤 GP999 incels get to information like knowing about MHJ-Source Music hearing being rescheduled to July 18 before anyone else and they post it in their gallery and instiz like the morning news.. If this isn't obsession, I don't know what is...

X · Jun 27, 2025, 1:53 AM

[waxen musk]

Schedule updated. No surprise with the delay. Keeps happening.

[hollow sorrel]

isn't this Source Music's second delay?

[waxen musk]

At least. I don't have dates prior to March 7 on schedule so I can't remember if the first hearing was also delayed.

• March 14 – MHJ's 2nd hearing against Source Music. DELAYED to May 30
• May 2 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Belift DELAYED to July 18
• June 27 - MHJ's 3rd hearing against Source Music DELAYED to July 18

[boreal swallow]

Yall why was her court date delayed to July …

[hoary frost]

Someone showed me a screenshot of the page of gp999 gallery. Worse than I expected. Very shocking hybe fans are using these things are sources alongside others like sniper

[clear hill]

I think source music is purposefully stalling court dates. my guess is that it’s a strategic attempt at keeping her out of the industry, blacklisted and not producing/creating any work to prevent her from making money and also to get more time to find better evidence? I’m not a legal expert/know nothing about lawsuits so I’m not sure but this is just my guess

[boreal swallow]

Hmm that seems like smth source would do but the court date will have to come eventually so staling isn’t worth it imo

[clear hill]

Don’t forget dispatch. The same source that trashed the media with tabloids on kim saeron that eventually led to her tragic passing.

[clear hill]

Yeah it’s a really shitty attempt at gaining leverage and at this point it just makes them look guilty/like they have no proof

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/koreansales_twt/status/1938383233441284524

KOREAN SALES (@koreansales_twt)

Top 10 Artists with the most Circle Index Points in 2025 (Week 25)

📝: Starting Jan 1., includes songs released last year
📝: Data is calculated from https://t.co/4jBz06Luvj

X · Jun 26, 2025, 11:45 PM

[old cypress]

stalling is to ruin mhj financially

[hoary frost]

with no release in 2025

[old cypress]

if she can't afford the lawyers anymore, hybe wins

[hoary frost]

yes it is slapp tactic

[clear hill]

Yea exactly, source music being a major conglomerate of Hybe have nothing to lose. Mhj is just a person

[clear hill]

What are circle index points referring to?

[hoary frost]

0 idea tbh

[clear hill]

Cause I have no idea if it’s just overall sales/streams/combination of all and from the comebacks of this year, I’m surprised I’m not seeing other groups mentioned

[hoary frost]

i think it must be digitals

[clear hill]

Just searched it up, it is streaming

But from South Korean streaming platforms so I don’t think this accounts Spotify streams

AEISU 🔛🔝 tho 🗣🗣

[hoary frost]

Yea its just sk digitals

still shows how popular they still are

[clear hill]

Not a single Hybe group/artist, ik Hybe is seething 💀

[hoary frost]

bnd

[clear hill]

What’s that

[hoary frost]

boy next door

[clear hill]

Ohhh, I didn’t know they were under Hybe. Oops

[hoary frost]

subsidary i think

[clear hill]

Yup

Hmm weird. I went on the Hybe website of their artists and saw new jeans. Clicked on the artist profile and it doesn’t work. Works for all of the other artists but them

[hoary frost]

Which website

[upbeat stream]

Digitals count streams and downloads (negligible these days). For this chart though, only songs that are top 200 in a given week count

Newjeans was #1 in 2023 and 2024

This year they'll likely finish 5th or 6th which is incredible without any new music

[clear hill]

Hybe website

[clear hill]

I’m not surprised. As a casual kpop listener it was impossible to escape new jeans ever since their debut. I was not a fan yet it was hard to deny how catchy their songs are and I tried so hard to not give in to new jeans 😅

[polar owl]

What's with sudden spurt of activity in the Newjeans channel? Definitely for the court.

[thick glade]

I feel like it's still impossible to escape them lol. Stores and restaurants I go to still shuffle their songs occasionally.

[clear hill]

100%. Every asian establishment w a targeted audience of young Asians/people into asian pop culture newjeans is always playing. I love going about my day and hearing OMG playing. It’s like the world is playing my designated songs 😭

[thick glade]

Yes that is true, but also one example was just me at a Panera (very not Asian) getting a coffee and they were playing attention.

Like I'm starting to hear njz shuffled into those giant playlists of popular pop songs that really generic businesses play 24/7. It used to be that the only kpop you'd hear on those would be like dynamite or butter, but now njz is in them too lol

[clear hill]

SO REAL 😭 I heard attention at H&M once and I had to double take LOL

[waxen musk]

No drop off in terms of views for the new videos uploaded onto the NewJeans channel.

I really do wonder how many people just see anything NewJeans related and click on it because they like them, completely unaware of everything that's been happening.

I also wonder if ADOR is secretly pumping up the numbers. Seems dumb if they were to.

[short laurel]

there should be atleast slight drop off considering bunnies from here and other njz cord and social media girlcotting ador owned channels.

[bronze talon]

a lot already know whats happening but ig a hand full of people just want content and are happy to see anything they havent yet

[clear hill]

And a lot of kpop stans are just tired of njz in general. They want to disassociate from the whole situation and ignore njz entirely.

I wouldn’t be surprised if ador is buying views to make it look like newjeans are thriving and well and they can just go slowly go back to normal programming like nothing happened. It’s definitely strategic

[lapis tendon]

I was in Japan recently and they fr played their songs at the most random places lmao not complaining tho

[thick glade]

I was in a restaurant when an NJZ song came on yesterday. There was an older adult couple and the wife mentioned being confused about where NJZ was and why they hadn't released a new song in a long time. The husband just said something like "idk I just heard they're going against the kpop industry, so it seems they have it rough rn".

I do think it's very fair to disassociate from the situation. I mean, kpop exists as entertainment (which includes drama), and if the situation surrounding the girls is not exciting/entertaining, then a lot of people will just move on to other things. The girls definitely seem to want something more than to just be in "kpop" which I heavily respect and is one of the reasons I'm a fan.

[hoary frost]

Well being kpop doesn't mean you cant be global or loved by a public audience

[clear hill]

I hate that it’s being labeled as drama though. I understand people’s natural correlation between drama and controversy and gossipy topics but them being in a legal battle due to them standing up against the desire to no longer work for a company that doesn’t have their best interests is not drama and in an industry like kpop it’s so unfair for them to be discarded by people simply because it’s considered as controversial. There’s literal kpop male idols being accused of sa and heinous acts yet people dont even bat an eye when it comes to them. They deserve so much more.

[thick glade]

I agree. It's extremely disrespectful to them and to all other idols that have suffered from all these companies. But this is the ridiculous standard of the industry. Also, the discussion is (largely) coming out of South Korea which hasn't had a great track record with treating women well.

All we can do is support them. I just wish there were more tangible things we could do.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1938734683518574871

1tokki (@juantokki)

There were 2 recent documents submitted by MHJ’s side in their case in their defense against Source Music that could be the reason for the reschedule. Well, not really recent since they were submitted weeks ago…

1. Notice of Withdrawal of Designated Attorney (사건변호인 지정

X · Jun 27, 2025, 11:02 PM

[cinder narwhal]

girlcotting 💀 😭

[short laurel]

Cuz other word is blocked here

[empty halo]

why is that word blocked tho

[short laurel]

No idea

[honest sky]

Mancotting

[short laurel]

been using girlcotting here for whole year 🤷‍♂️

[clear hill]

I love that, I’m gonna start saying that 😭

[short laurel]

fyi. it's a genuine word used by many. used when women are involved. which in this case is the case.

[marsh roost]

the "boy" part has nothing to do with boy/girl though, it was just someone's last name lol

[short laurel]

Yea but when has that ever mattered. It just how it end up becoming a thing.

[fallow forge]

Why is ador still uploading videos of newjeans😭

[red thorn]

Duty as newjeans management 💀

[hoary frost]

Infinity nikki community also started using it when the other term also got blocked

[still badge]

It's so iffy to me. Like they can not let go. 😭

And when they post like happy birthday and stuff it's like the worst it's so weird to me

[grizzled summit]

Bro people are saying that mhj vs source music case got delayed because of mhjs lawyers resigning

I'm gonna quit kpop completely I'm sick of everything byee yall ♥️

[copper jetty]

Bye.

I wasn't a fan of kpop before newjeans so i don't really mind and i don't consider myself one. As fans we're just here to support them... if they make music after then that's ok. If not then that's ok too.

It's never that deep... unless you get into fanwars on Twitter but I don't. I leave those people alone and just stay on my NJZ bubble.

[still badge]

I have like a KPop bubble and I like tend to stay away from like war in KPop fandoms and mainly focus on the music and the members that I like

[copper jetty]

And it should be that way...

[still badge]

Fr...

Like I have no idea what's the beef between ILLIT and NJ fans and idc bc I love both of their music

[waxen musk]

I wonder if we can have a peaceful week.

[copper jetty]

I think we can. We have days until July 18.

[copper jetty]

Honestly, I don't have anything with the members... the company though? Nope. I haven't forgiven them for making that awful video... I'll pass on that company's music and content too.

Also pass on Hybe's whole family group aside from NJZ.

[empty halo]

ive seen some people say that KG's case against JYP in the US might fail, and that makes me a bit less hopeful w njz bc the US is probably even better for artists w cases like this in comparison to SK. obviously the cases and circumstances are different, just a thought I had I guess.

[short laurel]

even in USA. the one with more money wins the case.

[empty halo]

[still badge]

No I understand

[upbeat stream]

Nah Korea is better. At least njz's contract will actually expire

There is light at the end of the tunnel, even if they lose

[red thorn]

Some korean claim that the wording implied some nothing burger, could be the firm assigned the lawyer to different case/the firm gonna assigned other lawyer or the lawyer resigned from the firm

[lapis tendon]

nah the firm just assigned a different lawyer and there was another stay of info filed

[bronze talon]

u guys think we getting a verdict after the 3rd hearing on the 24th next month? or will this most likely continue

[waxen musk]

No

[ember notch]

i feel so bad for her

[upbeat stream]

A k-tokki told me they expect 4-6 hearings

[bronze talon]

hmm :/

[old cypress]

honestly as i said before it's probably best to not expect anything before next year. Main trial is always a long process and there will be many delays. If you struggle with keeping up, it's probably a good idea to take a break and come back next year

[hollow sorrel]

I heard that the witness examinations start in August after the July 24th hearing (probably late August)

usually when witness examinations start the case is close to ending, but obviously it will depend on a lot of things

[bronze talon]

i see
well lets hope it goes well

[waxen musk]

I've heard a lot of differing expectations for what will be upcoming. But I also heard a lot of differing expectations for everything that happened so far, and of course it's hard not to focus on the more positive expectations, and that's just lead to disappointment. I guess it's best to not expect anything.

It does seem that after this next hearing we'll have a much greater understanding on what will follow.

...actually I've had that expectation for other things before. Maybe I shouldn't even expect that. Maybe we'll still be in the dark.

Anyway I'm bored of saying it now, but I definitely have not lost hope.

[heady gate]

Who is going to bet, SoMu and Belift would delay their cases on July 18?

[storm warren]

Hmm. i remember reading somewhere that KKT chats admission would be determined on 27 or something

anyone remembers exact date?

[subtle matrix]

It got delayed

[hoary frost]

schedule

whoops mb. was there a command to see the court date schedules

oh its pinned

[waxen musk]

I didn’t see anyone mention anything about the KKT messages on Friday. Didn’t see anyone say it was delayed. Obviously we didn’t hear anything about it. I don’t know if it’s tied to any other case or if it’s its own case.

[subtle matrix]

It was tied to the Source Music case if I'm not mistaken

#1231839760759263232 message

mentioned here

[clear hill]

I heard that lesserafim is the reason that gfriendglt disbanded, why do people keep saying that?

[flint stone]

most likely because they try to find reasons to spread hate/negativity

[clear hill]

Ohhh ok, guess ppl are just being trolls/haters 🤦‍♀️

[flint stone]

Also, it's not njz related, @clear hill

[clear hill]

My bad

[prisma nova]

Yeah I guess twitter and haters are just making things look worse than they are

[hollow sorrel]

their airport ad was replaced but at least it’s IU <3

[thick glade]

IU loves the girlies (I think)

[clear hill]

She doesss! She even featured hyein on a song!

[thick glade]

Ooo I didn't know that. All I knew was the celebrity cover and IU looked like she was falling in love with Hyein and I was like she's an actual child.

[jade jolt]

Iu invited njz to sing as her special guests at her concert so she does

[wary creek]

wait is this for real?? ugh mhj

[wary creek]

I got food with my friend yesterday and he gave up on listening to new stuff from njz because he believes there's no way njz will win against a multibillion coporation like hybe

[steel depot]

I'm done with K-pop if NJZ doesn't return

[thick glade]

Idk what's so off-putting about fighting against a big corporation because they were threatening your overall well-being. Is it just cuz njz have broken that "well-behaved" idol mold that won't have a continuous stream of content? And what would the difference be if they lose or win? They're fighting a very admirable fight and what ends up being concluded by a judge, won't change what they're standing for and it certainly doesn't change the quality of their music so far. Music is music.

Also what's new stuff at the point? Did they stop after Zero or something? Lmao

[atomic echo]

Ador on Weverse. Got the noti not too long ago. Lol.

[storm warren]

they should update us if they plan on suing LJH, 10Asia and such

[ashen charm]

all there ads will expire and since they lost the appeal they cant renew any of them when the coke zero is replaced imma be so sad

[lapis tendon]

I think they’re only posting this bc of what happened to enhypen

[lapis tendon]

No lol her firm just assigned a diff lawyer

[copper jetty]

Is there any new news whatsoever? The closest court date is still July 18 right?

[elfin solstice]

is new jeans cooked this the first summer without their music

[rugged dagger]

i might have to intervene

[short laurel]

their songs still charting well. so no njz is not cooked.

[sick fable]

When is NJZ's next court hearing? I've lost the dates from all the different details

[bronze talon]

its pinned in this thread

[sick fable]

Thank you

Do you know if the July 24th hearing is the final one for them?

[subtle matrix]

It won't be

[sick fable]

Oki

I assume they won't have another comeback until this is resolved?

[subtle matrix]

They will not

[ashen charm]

Yeah I'm guessing this lawsuit could drag out a year or 2

[sick fable]

That tracks

[subtle matrix]

I'll be surprised if it's not finalised or close to it by the end of the year

[bronze talon]

yea 2 years would be nuts

1 1/2 at most

[ashen charm]

The thing is ador could drag it as long as they want kinda like what happening with the mhj case rn

[ornate zephyr]

looks like they pulled the plug on the newjeans welcome to korea billboard

[hushed whale]

ye expired since march

[short laurel]

since ador owns the IP. ador could sue airport for using it without contract. so they had to pull it.

[red thorn]

That, and very much doubt it that sponsor would want to renew the contract in the first place

[empty halo]

love IU but they should've done a photoshoot w her, the banner is quite poorly edited 😭

[stuck roost]

thank god its iu

imagine the meltdown if it was illit💔

terrible day for the unemployed

[bronze talon]

💀

[upbeat stream]

Tbh there was no chance it would've been illit or any other hybe gg

The only gg's who could've replaced newjeans are aespa and ive obviously

[clear hill]

How tf are they gonna sue Hybe paid pr😭😭😭😭😭

[waxen musk]

I'm usually so good at avoiding seeing these horrible YouTube videos with many thousands of views, but I've just been made aware of a new one about "the dark history of MHJ".

It just makes me sad that there are people out there dedicated to spending a lot of time making these types of videos and it working out for them in terms of views, so much so that they seem to make a whole series out of it, almost making it their identity.

Apparently this new video is referencing one of those old Reddit threads that I've seen posted here a few times in the past. I know it's all been debunked.

I only find out this crap because of a place with probably only a dozen people chatting, that I only lurk in to get fairly good K-pop updates (considering I avoid Reddit completely). But there's just this one person who posts this crap, and nobody else engages with them, but it pisses me off so much.

[fleet nebula]

Sad lives for them 🙂 report/mute/block and move to happier places

[waxen musk]

It's just when I see these channels with these view counts, it makes me completely realise we've lost the battle against misinformation.

[short laurel]

about MHJ. battle was lost long time ago. long be4 njz members even auditioned. even be4 hybe came into existence. thanks SM stans.

cuz "how dare a women be successful in men lead industry."

if korea is misogyny, kpop fans are even more misogynist.

[waxen musk]

I've realised that if I want to keep up to date with K-pop in general, those spaces will inevitably lead me to come across something related to NJZ that will put me in a shit mood.

I guess the solution is to not keep up to date.

[upbeat stream]

Youtube is crazy. I never watch these videos but it keeps recommending them to me because I watch njz stuff lol

I just block the channel using blocktube, so I never get the same channel again

[waxen musk]

I don’t ever see them naturally with the YouTube algorithm, I’m lucky. However when I become aware of them like how I just described, it comes as a shock.

[mild mist]

John Reddit has done a very good job of poisoning the water hole
It's ruined a number of the K-pop communities I used to frequent

[stable sparrow]

I’m sorry for bringing up old stuff that’s probably been discussed already. I haven’t been keeping up much with the girls. I saw some people saying they were caught lying? Is this true or no

[short laurel]

No one was caught lying. Anti's makes scenarios in their head n when they learn those scenarios are wrong, they start calling others liers

[copper jetty]

When did they lie though??

[stable sparrow]

idk that’s what people were saying but I didn’t know what they were talking about

[prisma nova]

NJZ redebut in october calling it right now

[short laurel]

here's context. ador showed cctv footage to court that shows that illit greeted hanni. video had dani in it so it's a different day video. anti's took that and started calling hanni lier. in reality hanni said that girls greeted her back. hanni's issue was with the managers comment. anti's distorted it cuz it doesn't play into their narrative.

it's old news now but anti's still keep bringing it up without checking facts just to feed more hate

[mild mist]

never let the facts get in the way of a good story

[short laurel]

except it's not a good story

[clear hill]

I saw a previous sm staff who worked w mhj come out defending her after press conference I think and he said how incredibly hard it was to work with her but how much of a creative genius she was. He went on to say that he roots for her and believes her and whatnot but I think as a woman the worst thing you can be is assertive esp in a male dominated industry. like we’re just expected to be docile and subservient and the moment we resist these gender norms society is quick to start a witch hunt on us. I mean gender norms are already extremely harsh in SK so MHJ being a pioneer as a creative director in the kpop industry as well as an extreme unorthodox woman in sk society will make some people so angry for some reason. Any minuscule issues and human things they do is weaponized against them to justify the misogyny against them.

It’s also interesting how normalized misogyny is in the kpop fandom. Not just within SK society but also the western kpop fandom scene. Ofc fandom wars within gg fandoms this is naturally expected but it’s interesting to see this girlboss narrative shift the moment there’s a (not even justified) reason to hate someone. Then all of the sudden it’s she’s a horrible person who is the sole reason for every minor and major problem.

[short laurel]

N intl kpop stans even more mysogyny

[clear hill]

Yeah omg exactly

A lot of ppl really use their kpop/eastern hobby(ies)as a way to justify their ignorance that nobody would let slide in the west but bc it’s in another society and “that’s just how it works there” they feel it’s totally justified to be ignorant

[empty halo]

and I feel like korean misogyny has influenced a lot of intl fans?? they measure people's beauty by korean standards, they slutshame only kpop idols but not western celebs bc it's taboo in korea and they know it doesn't matter in the west. Its bizarre, they start measuring these idols by korean standards of morality and beauty

they forget their own societal norms which may be more progressive

[bronze talon]

also comes with expectations to have no foulness in your portfolio and always appear perfect in every way on socials

[empty halo]

and again, they're willing to let it slide for western celebs. kpop and it's culture really has no positive impact on your brain apart from good music and art

[bronze talon]

yea
keep away from socials yourself as much as you can

[short laurel]

most releases are garbage. with number pumped up by fandoms and payola

[subtle matrix]

A lot of koreaboos in international kpop fandom who think asian cultures are the peak of human existence and ignore the f'd up shit that exists in a lot of those cultures

Asian cultures also tend to attract a lot of right wingers

So yeah maybe korean misogyny has influenced a lot of international fans but there are also many who were already misogynous and this is just their outlet

[copper jetty]

I think it's mostly because Asians tend to be more conservative (that's their culture) and right wingers ideals are close enough.

[subtle matrix]

Yeah and they get really surprised when they visit those asian countries and realise that women hating them is a universal phenomenon

Korean women especially have absolutely no chill

[copper jetty]

Well they had that 4B movement there. I think women are just so tired of misogynistic men in Korea.

[red thorn]

The two extreme, ilbe and megalia

[clear hill]

The amount of mental gymnastics koreaboos do to make korea seem like a utopia is just so stupid 😭 This is why a lot of intl kpop fans have some sort of grudge against njz, it makes it harder for them to disengage with the reality of the idol industry and idols living in a rigid society

[subtle matrix]

To be fair, as a tourist countries like Japan and Korea are like a theme park for adults. You get all the good stuff (amazing public transport, food, very nice people) and aren't very exposed to the bad stuff (misogyny, terrible work conditions, xenophobia espcially in japan)

But it shouldn't be too hard to realise that things aren't so perfect over there

[short laurel]

reminds me of that tiktok where a western lady went to korea and was shocked by not so pretty looking local men. xD

[empty halo]

Im no fan of Korean men they can be quite evil but that was absolutely hilarious. She deserved that whiplash lmfao

[short laurel]

shocking thing is she's not the only ignorant person in the world. alot of indians too think that all koreans are pretty

[empty halo]

a lot of people from all over the world think that way, its highkey racist and weird

[upbeat stream]

That had quite the diverging opinions online. Foreigners were saying the woman is racist but korean women were happy that she dragged korean men

[short laurel]

lets be honest. majority humans world wide are racists. we just try not to show it as much anymore but we like it or not from inside we already have formed opinions on other races which are hard to change.

online community people just take that inside voice out and loud. and it gets amplified.

[rugged dagger]

internet does that for a lot of negative emotions, because of anonymity

[copper jetty]

I forgot that video exists. That was wild. Low key remembered how old western guys usually go to sea countries to find exotic women... that's the same thing in my head.
SMH.

[short laurel]

in thailand.

[copper jetty]

Lmao I see them too in other sea countries. Not just there.

[short laurel]

mostly known in thailand but yea.

[empty halo]

Korean women defo have the pass to have a laugh at the men of their country, but the white koreaboo-ish creator's delusions were racist

[empty halo]

Exactly, if she perceived korean men like that I'm sure she perceived korean women like that too

[bronze talon]

https://x.com/PopBase/status/1940082499834597576

Pop Base (@PopBase)

Scooter Braun is stepping down as CEO of HYBE America.

X · Jul 1, 2025, 4:18 PM

[brazen ice]

mashallah

[short laurel]

🛴 retiring or just going into another position ?

[brazen ice]

Braun will remain on the board of directors and as a senior advisor to HYBE CEO Bang Si-Hyuk, but will relinquish his day-to-day responsibilities to Isaac Lee.

[short laurel]

so basically nothing changed

[empty halo]

so he'll remain on the board of HYBE America?

[brazen ice]

yuuup lmao

[empty halo]

I wonder why he stepped down or was made to step down then

Maybe bc his public image is in the fucking gutters, but it's not like that affects katseye, fans are gonna (and have shown that they will) stream regardless

[short laurel]

fans will support even 🛴 like they support ‼️

[subtle matrix]

ngl I visited Thailand earlier this year and I loved the country and the locals (nicest people ever) but I got so weirded out by the group of 3-5 middle age men you see arriving at the airport who are clearly going there for s*x tourism

[upbeat stream]

I'm pretty sure he just wanted to move on. Scooter is kinda like that

[empty halo]

His career should be over I hate him

[copper jetty]

Yes. I'm weirded out by it too. Especially when they're old old and the girls they're with are young. Like sir, half of your age is still more than these girls age... like what do u... why???

[subtle matrix]

Yeah it's mostly guys in their 50s or so

Respectfully sir can you have a "buy a sports car" middle age crisis instead please

[copper jetty]

Or like "do pickleball instead" middle age kind of crisis.

[short laurel]

do men of that age know that many of the women in thailand are lgbt ?

[brazen ice]

im pretty sure that is exactly why they go lmao

[short laurel]

xD

[subtle matrix]

I think that is part of the appeal yeah lmao

[copper jetty]

Anyways back to 🛴. I'm gonna be teasing my army friend who hates him. She girlcotts companies and artists that are pro israel but won't do it for Hybe.

I'm gonna be teasing her cause she doesn't include Hybe America to Hybe before but she won't be able to do it anymore if 🛴 joins as an executive advisor to bsh.

I doubt she's gonna start girlcotting them but I'm going to be pointing out the irony if she tells me again to girlcott another pro israel company.

[subtle matrix]

She girlcotts companies and artists that are pro israel but won't do it for Hybe

So she weaponises a literal genocide to feed her stupid fanwars

[brazen ice]

actually true lmao, especially considering scooter has shown quite a bit of support for israel

[copper jetty]

I think it's because she compartmentalize. She doesn't include Hybe America to Hybe.

But to be frank I was surprised she was listening to a jhope song literally produced by Johnny Goldstein so

[brazen ice]

https://tenor.com/view/sewer-jew-sewer-jew-new-york-meme-gif-17337303977547999066

[brazen ice]

i remember some hybe higher up donating to israel as well

[subtle matrix]

lol that's such a cop out. I obviously support Palestime but people need to be honest with themselves.

[brazen ice]

oh it was the ceo lmao

i should mention it is allegedly oops

[copper jetty]

Lmao... I could hear her excuse. Yeah but that's not Hybe. That's on the CEO.

[short laurel]

"hybe can do no wrong even if it's entire executives are bad."

[copper jetty]

I mean I'm not opposed to her convincing me to also girlcott... I understand BUT at least be consistent. That's what I have issues with.

If you do it for one company then do it for all.

[brazen ice]

ye i lowkey want to get katseye album, but because it is hybe im not lmao

[subtle matrix]

I think it's a balance

[short laurel]

i love rv and gfriend. yet i've yet to listen to wendy collab with jin and gfriend cb cuz it's hybe.

[subtle matrix]

Anyway over the past few years I definitely became more mindful of what products I'm consuming and who I'm giving my money to.

[short laurel]

dam wendy collabed with suho too

[copper jetty]

Same with me. But I'm kind of sad that I've only learned this these past couple of years. Wished I could've started way before

[subtle matrix]

Okay it's just girlcott you could've warned me smh

[copper jetty]

Yeah.. the other word is banned.

Which, idk why.

[copper jetty]

Sorry bout that

[subtle matrix]

But as I was saying a lot of these girlcotts feel like peak virtue signaling or being weaponised for other purposes. Realistically every single one of us will keep consuming some product made by some company that is highly invested in Israel, it's just the reality of the modern world and the global economy. People using "the exec of this company donated money to israel" or "this idol drank starbucks" to argue that a group or company should be girlcotted seems a bit childish to me

Of course you should vote with your wallet and if you disagree with the actions of those groups you should act accordingly

But be honest about it, especially to yourself

[copper jetty]

That's true. And also, I doubt that they will have a big dent in their income. They're billion of dollars worth and global. Even if one country does it doesn't mean that others also will.

[short laurel]

like how we can't avoid google sadly. even if my stuff is degoogled, my family and friends not.

[subtle matrix]

Honestly I have a massive pet peeve with people who keep calling for girlcotts when they can't even delete their twitter bc of fomo

I have had so many arguments about this online

I'm gonna leave before mods come here and scream at me for going offtopic bye

[empty halo]

not just shown support he literally MET the man who's fueling this genocide, he adores that place

[brazen ice]

"Braun was born in New York City to Conservative Jewish parents" well that explains it lmao

[empty halo]

oh yeah we should stop w 🛴

[clear hill]

Japan and Korea are a theme park for a specific type of adults. Those who glamorize east Asia and see everything as a commodity to fuel their overconsumption. Those who glamorize living there. They are well aware of the misogyny and rigid framework but treat that country as their personal playground because they don’t care. They can detach from the empathy they’re forced to have in the west and live in ignorant bliss knowing that ignorance will go unnoticed.

People genuinely cannot handle that a single woman-who doesn’t let executives walk all over her have this much impact on the industry

[subtle matrix]

I think you went a bit too far lol

[clear hill]

Did I tho?😭

[lapis tendon]

I mean every country has its pros and cons lol

Japan was fun asf when i visited recently but im a tourist so

[short laurel]

Japan is nice place to go as tourist. but for living not so much. sadly many tourist from all countries have been misbehaving in japan too much.

[clear hill]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSBjMg6ue/ this just made me sad as hell thinking of all the unreleased demos that we will NEVER get to hear 😭💔💔💔💔

[empty halo]

https://x.com/JosephAParker/status/1940245168206356538?t=U46xueERMjvXBCXGLVn1xQ&s=33

Joe Parker (@JosephAParker)

HYBE confirms ‘strategic expansion’ into India – in second half of 2025 - Music Business Worldwide https://t.co/NT31BSMnl7

X · Jul 2, 2025, 3:04 AM

Good Luck to the little Indian kids who'll be exploited 🍀

[subtle matrix]

Yeah I think so

There's definitely people who what you said applies to don't get me wrong. But the "theme park experience" I mentioned is more universal than that imo.

Of course there are asiaboos, the kind in those "thing / same thing in japan" memes, people who glamorise those countries and societies and either ignore or hand-waive the serious issues that they face, or are even captivated by what we see as deep societal injustices. People who see everything in those countries as a commodity to fuel their overconsumption.

But there are also like, normal people? Who simply visit those countries and they have amazing public transport, great and cheap food, fantastic service, people are super nice. incredible cultural and historical value, etc. And even if they are aware of deep societal issues like misogyny, xenophobia, oversexualisation of minors, terrible work-life balance, insane competitiveness, etc., it doesn't change the fact that the overall experience as a tourist is amazing.

Every time I go to a major Asian city it's inevitable to think "wow I wish we had this thing in my country" even though this thing probably only exists because of some deep societal imbalance, like how widespread 24/7 convenience stores are. Meanwhile I go to NYC and I think "wow this subway is f'ing tragic and the police looks at me like I'm a terrorist" lol.

And that's the "theme park experience" I was describing. Not in a "this country is a theme park that must cater to me and all my desires" way, but in a "the nature and intricacies of this country's society makes it so the surface level experience here is absolutely amazing while the more noxious sides of society are conveniently tucked away in a corner"

Of course you can also believe that all tourism is overconsumption in which case yeah

[short laurel]

as if they are not exploited by our system already.

even parents from poor states lie about their kids age to get them in risky work...

[empty halo]

are there no updates about the bang si hyuk case

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1940421737390416073

. (@TokkiLoops)

Choi Yumi styling the Allday Project

X · Jul 2, 2025, 2:46 PM

[short laurel]

who is allday ?

ooh that coed group.

[old cypress]

they hit #1 on melon upon debut

[short laurel]

isn't 1 member who was supposed to be in illit? hybe must be jealous.

[bronze talon]

youngseo ye

[polar owl]

There’s no shortage of dreamers waiting to be taken advantage of in the name of K-pop. But if this fight reaches the courtroom and attracts round-the-clock media attention, the courts may lean toward protecting individual rights rather than safeguarding corporate profits.

[old cypress]

many people are just looking for money, status and fame so they will apply regardless of how evil the company is

but it'll hurt the company over time as the quality of the trainees goes down

[short laurel]

does quality for trainees matter when there's no quality trainers or quality creatives in the company.

this idol type system isn't easy to implement in countries outside east. legal system will protect artists here more than outside company. trainees will have voice which hybe will struggle to silence and fail lol.

@empty halo do you know we had 2 sister groups of AKB48 in india. both disbanded and cancelled right away partly cuz of covid and partly cus of internal struggles which they didn't make public

[old cypress]

There are good creatives in hybe. Probably good trainers as well, it's a rich company so they can write checks and most will accept. And a lot of creatives are freelancing so you'd see them in many other groups

[rugged dagger]

can't fault people for wanting to get paid

[old cypress]

yeah and it still looks good on your cv that you did stuff for bts enhypen or lsfm

[cinder narwhal]

this cynicism is too much. hybe wouldn't get this big without quality people in it

[upbeat stream]

This expansion into India is probably more about organizing concerts and stuff in India easier than about debuting groups here

I don't think it would succeed if they try. There's barely any pop singers in India. It's completely dominated by Bollywood, punjabi hiphop and a few indie artists

Not to mention, it's one of the worst Asian countries for kpop. The only 4th gen song that has charted on Indian spotify is Cupid lol. Even njz never charted

[lapis tendon]

I'm glad she's still getting her coin

[still badge]

I'm afraid this is facts...

I live in India and ik there's like KPop fans somewhere obv but yeah you literally can't find or buy KPop anything over here

[still badge]

And yeah a majority of the pop and mainstream indian music are mainly these genres

I lowkey wonder if I'm the only person from India in this server like surely there's other newjeans or KPop fans here too from India

Idk tho

[short laurel]

U are replying to indians on the topic.

[still badge]

WAIT I'M STUPID OKAY NVM YEAH

https://tenor.com/view/pinklipse-chuu-chuu-gif-chuu-loona-chuu-reaction-gif-25435770

[short laurel]

Also there are fanclubs of several kpop groups here.

[still badge]

Yes yes

[short laurel]

India also has many pop stars eho releases songs, mv, mostly statewise, it's just nepobaby filled bollywood is very noisy so ppl don't hear about them.
It's slowly changing though, u c more n more singers outside bollywood getting recognition.

[still badge]

REAL

It is SO neobaby filled but yeah I'm glad if that's slowly changing

[short laurel]

They might try collabs, recent collab of diljit n Jackson Wang was a hit. Many looking into market n our government of both countries pushing for it.

[empty halo]

kpop depends on people buying its very expensive merchandise, albums and EPs. Indian kpop stans may be dedicated but they are NOT buying allat, bc they're also very young usually

yeah i dont think they're gonna get trainees and debut them, its probably for arranging tours and concerts like hybe japan

[short laurel]

https://x.com/snoraing/status/1940475319728967863?t=6cKrsKeIqFAUed376MpK_w&s=19
Btw

nora ☾•*🪽going to club icarus (@snoraing)

It’s kinda crazy to be like «ILLIT fell off» cus they debuted LAST YEAR
I fear people really don’t stan groups anymore, its all about being a predebut fan and counting streams and looking for the «next big thing»

X · Jul 2, 2025, 6:19 PM

[upbeat stream]

Third time's the charm. Search warrant on hybe granted

[short laurel]

Source

Tbh. I feel like hybe must have hidden everything by now. They took way too long

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1940614938554405111

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1751513630:d>

Police finally raid ‘HYBE’ after two warrant rejections

the prosecution eventually approved the third warrant application, and the police immediately executed the issued warrant.

https://n.news.naver.com/article/214/0001434011?sid=102

[pulsar wasp]

What are they tryna find by raiding HYBE?

[heady gate]

Most likely nothing. I am sure he deleted all the evidence.

[frank musk]

Ofc the government is gonna be lazy in investigating

[short laurel]

400b won ipo fraud.

[hollow sorrel]

That’s illegal.

Once a warrant is issued I’m pretty sure you can’t delete or alter evidence since that’s a criminal offense.

[short laurel]

It was issued now. They tried to get it for over long time. Enough time to remove evidence. Even if they removed it after. If they are thorough enough, investigator will need to find evidence of alteration be4 they can blame them for it.

Ofc hybe not have technical skills to be thorough with it.

[sage venture]

since it happened a while back, the search warrant is just a formality before an arrest warrant

[hollow sorrel]

The rule also applies to the FSS investigation, and I think there are lots of evidence held by the investors Bang Si hyuk has lied to, because iirc they've been trying to push this case for more than a year now but only recently did the authorities agree to do investigations

[short laurel]

Hybe probably started getting rid of evidence since the fraud(if they did it) so they had years to cover it. They probably didn't wait for investigation to suddenly start be4 doing it

[hollow sorrel]

But I did hear that the previous head of the FSS was somehow connected to the ex-president who was connected to Kim&Chang who is connected to HYBE? I wonder if they used the FSS investigation to hide evidence or something

[short laurel]

Bang family is connected to ppp.

[sage venture]

yep and the head of the prosecution office that issued the warrant was just replaced a few days ago, then suddenly the search warrant was approved You get the picture

[short laurel]

Is ministry of labour's head replaced yet?

[sage venture]

that position was also replaced

[short laurel]

Good. Waiting for them to remove hybe's top company status

[sage venture]

the new head used to work as a train engineer, so things will probably be very different from before i hope

[hollow sorrel]

saw this article, can someone explain if the middle part is true?

how can the issue be resolved once he is prosecuted?

[sage venture]

it’s not directly connected, but it might help MHJ win her case over unlawful termination though honestly, she might not even need it

[short laurel]

Bang is controlling hybe. Once he's gone, some might switch sides, some will try to make distance from him to appear victim. This could help njz n mhj case. They could put blame to bang to resolve this n get away n shareholders will be happy the sooner it's resolved

Ofc it's only my assumption. Anything can happen

[polar owl]

Bang in jail, MHJ reinstated as Ador chief, OG Ador Team returns, Newjeans release their new album and plans a world tour.....and then I wake up..

[short laurel]

To add. Bollywood isn't changing. It's still being filled with nepobabies more n more.
Instead it's individual idie artists who are going without bollywood support n public supporting them.
Bollywood in it's current state is ruled by few people n not all are punjabi's who indians like to blame always. Many other states ppl are too in it but it's like a 1 big entity now. but it's influence dying slowly thankfully

[polar owl]

K-pop has gained notable traction in Tier 1 cities in India and were always popular in the northeastern regions of the country. While still niche, the community is sizeable given India’s population. All-India K-pop contests continue to attract a strong fanbase, and spontaneous dance events are being organised frequently. Long way to go though.

Newjeans - no one will know about them unless they follow k-pop regularly. BTS is a different case.

[cinder narwhal]

let me cope.
bang pd will be ousted from hybe and ador will let mhj back.
ador staff will come back and so will th girls.
LET ME COPE

[short laurel]

tier 2 city here. decade ago there was a cheap clothing shop on old market with board of SNSD. ppl here barely knew kpop back then. xD

[steel depot]

i want MHJ to run HYBE that'll be great for all their sub labels and artists... im dreaming big don't mind me...

[short laurel]

MHJ rather build a new label than clean up the mess hybe created over the years.

[short laurel]

in the naver n mbc article posted above a kroeans in comments mentioned this. they questioned if hybe is that much powerful that government can't do anything. which is something cu even samsung head had been to prison in the past.

and that article has been removed at the request of the press.

[copper jetty]

Did bsh get arrested yet?

I doubt he will though. They've let this marinate for a long time, for sure hybe already cleaned up. 😑

[stiff prairie]

already cleaning up search warrant news so...

[copper jetty]

Yeah. Saw the articles got deleted and articles about a donation cover it up. Smdh.

Im'ma be laughing at those media if this blows up more but I seriously doubt that. Lmao, guess those oppars will be going on a media tour to tv guestings after this for bsh huh.

[hoary frost]

[old cypress]

if Bang is gone, mhj and newjeans could technically return to ador but eh. While Bang PD is the main problem, i'm not sure his minions would switch sides if he was gone. Moreover he still owns a large chunk of HYBE and his brother also owns a big chunk through netmarble

[empty halo]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[empty halo]

Im pretty sure they have their plans w a diff label or a new label ready and aren't interested

[flint stone]

what about allday project then? people just want something new аnd familiar/almost the same concept ruins everything,

[short laurel]

we'll know about allday by next few CB if their fanbase grows or if current their kpopies will leave.

seriously there's fan kpop servers of groups who are only announced. members name and details not announced.

[flint stone]

idk, but their group feels new, i wonder what next cb will be like (and i'm not following kpop,like i listen only to few groups)

[short laurel]

not feels new. they are new. they just debuted.

[flint stone]

i mean some new groups feels basic to me, their songs aren't really interesting

[short laurel]

yea thatt's kpop.

[flint stone]

newjeans brought me to kpop so i still have no idea about a lot of things there, but after them there are a lot of songs/groups that impossible/hard to listen to

[old cypress]

yeah because BSH is around. But if he's gone it's not 100% impossible especially since ador has the newjeans trademark

I'm not saying it's likely, i'm just saying that it's technically possible

and again there's a lot of other problems besides bsh so i doubt it'll happen

[empty halo]

TECHNICALLY sure but even if bsh is gone and whatnot its just not happening, its still the same company that traumatised and sued the shit out of them (including mhj)

[empty halo]

there's definitely a surprise factor about being a co-ed group leading to a lot of hype, lets see if they're still on top of all the charts after that hypes dead

[old cypress]

Once again it all came from BSH who installed this culture. A new head and a profound reorganization can change things but again it's not very likely

[empty halo]

i do NOT like that tarzzan dude 👎
glad that old ador made him take out those damn braids before appearing in the supernatural mv lmao

[old cypress]

ADP has staying power I think they'll do good, they got teddy

[empty halo]

having teddy isn't just a positive, his music is repetitive. people dealt w it when it came to blackpink bc they're blackpink

[old cypress]

People been saying this for 10 years yet his songs always chart well

More importantly ADP has something no other group besides BP and Newjeans have : street cred

[lapis tendon]

and they get all the OG ador staff back 🙏

[empty halo]

Really? I don't see a lot of international fans liking the MEMBERS specifically especially that dude, he's causing them problems. Idk lets see

[bronze jetty]

korean GP loves them atm

[old cypress]

ifans are not relevant, Korea is king

[empty halo]

ofc they do

[copper jetty]

Wait... did they have 🛴 resign in Hybe America and transferred him to the main company as advisor for in case bsh gets jailed, he can take over?

Not far fetched right?

[short laurel]

By some oneknown in industry yea. Coed itself isn't anything new in kpop.

[stiff prairie]

if this coed thing succeeds in the long run it's a really good thing. the pressure on female idols to not be associated w another dude would reduce a lot

[waxen musk]

I saw the articles about BSH were getting deleted. I really wonder how Hybe is so effective at getting the media to do exactly as they please.

[red thorn]

Crisis management in the work

[red thorn]

Anyway, something I kinda belatedly realize, ever since Attention MV NewJeans been integrated graphic design elements in their mv especially the stylized typography (they went extra in How Sweet mv) don't think it was a trend before. And I think MHJ hired most of the designers that's never been in kpop, now they're pretty prolific in kpop industry.
Oh and a 'mascot', I think it's rare, I see some newer gen group using it now

[waxen musk]

Yesterday I went through some of the albums because I haven't looked for who knows how long. I'm always amazed at the debut album design.

[old cypress]

no it won't change, because of the nature of the business of kpop groups

[red thorn]

Probably used as standard reference for any company in their meeting for their debut group plan

[still badge]

100%...

[short laurel]

U crossed it but it is true

[still badge]

I believe in Indian cinema when it's like good but I HATE Bollywood

Like I hate the major big movies