NJZ Updates and Discussion

[subtle matrix]

not CEO, he's the founder and chairman of hybe

[wraith cove]

do you think hes not gonna be there?

[subtle matrix]

He's in hot water bc of some IPO shenanigans

[fallow forge]

Why did they reject the appeal?

[subtle matrix]

Same reasons as the previous rulings pretty much

[wraith cove]

i hope they winnnnn or atleast have lesser termination fees

[subtle matrix]

But I'm not sure how much BSH being removed will help NJZ tbh (if he actually goes to jail)

[river sphinx]

isn’t it kinda wild to think that a whole company with grown ass people has beef with 2 teenagers and 3 young adults

[wraith cove]

if THEY DO win then aryu (mhj) is gonna go back to ador staff and most of the old staff would potentially come back and our girlz will come back

[subtle matrix]

That is definitely not happening lol even if they win all the lawsuits ador is in the past for njz

[wraith cove]

then njz is just gonna be in a new label with mhj

[subtle matrix]

2 teenagers and 3 young adults that move a whooooole lot of money

[river sphinx]

well obviously but it’s still kinda hilarious to think about

[wraith cove]

bro didnt this all start because some dude from hybe dmed MHJ saying hes gonna make illit and lesera more relevant cuz he wanted to beat stray kids and whatnot

[subtle matrix]

Depends on who you ask lol

[wraith cove]

huh? but the screenshots were shown

[hollow sorrel]

ya but people still try to spin the narrative

there are lots of things that led up to this happening unfortunately

[subtle matrix]

HYBE claims they received information that MHJ was negotiating with investors to find a way to break away from HYBE
MHJ claims HYBE is just retaliating after internal complains by MHJ/ADOR/NJ parents regarding several issues

[wraith cove]

the trainee situation that danielle mentioned with all of the members, and the constant mental pressuring and harrasment hidden by the fact that "other companies wouldve made them suffer more" im guessing?

[subtle matrix]

That's how this whole thing started according to each side

[river sphinx]

wasn’t there something about hybe taking money from ador as well

[wraith cove]

no its that usually hybe takes money they arent supposed to but ador doesnt allow that. which angered hybe higher ups

and some knetizens (middle aged men who hate for no reason) believe theyre easily replacable with hybes standards

[river sphinx]

I’m pretty sure it happened after mhj left tho

https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1905201187059806487?s=46&t=_5QeHS11_fu8BPbWgUmhWg

soy 🏎️🏁 (& wswf) (@soyamoyas)

HYBE was caught red handed transferring money from ADOR to its Hybe Gaming subsidiary almost immediately after they replaced ADOR CEO with Kim Ju Young, who also serves as Chief Human Resources Officer (CHRO) in Hybe.

Is it not suspicious that Hybe placed their STILL ACTING CHRO

X · Mar 27, 2025, 10:12 AM

[wraith cove]

nope it was REVEALED after mhj left.its just WHEN mhj left THEY STARTED taking that money they shouldnt have taken

[river sphinx]

I see I see

[subtle matrix]

I think that is more cooking the books than taking money

Which is worse to be clear lol

[keen crescent]

im so confused is that court ruling applys to them only in korea ? like can they do something outside of korea

[subtle matrix]

Technically they can work anywhere, even in korea. But any independent activity (regardless of where it is) will be a violation of the contract and they will be legally liable for it according to korean law

So basically they can work outside of korea, but they won't ever be able to work in korea again

Or having korean bank accounts or any other assets, because they will be seized

[keen crescent]

WTF WHATTT. they cant have a BANK account??

[hollow sorrel]

a bank account for NJZ I guess

[keen crescent]

does that also include the mmdhh activity

[shy schooner]

Yes

[keen crescent]

NOOOOOO

[clear hill]

I saw something about njz’s team claiming media play for evidence in the latest trial but the judge declined it bc its “emotionally charged”.

[hoary frost]

hybe has been trying

[clear hill]

To add my take on this, it really does look out of place because of the lack of cohesion

[hoary frost]

the lack of gradient, the font used for the clip, the colur they used

it's not bad but honestly it does look out of place when we put with the others

[clear hill]

What I admire the most from njz’s creative direction is the little details that may be trivial or insignificant in the grand scheme of things but really tie everything together. Not to hyper analyze every small detail but as an art major I can really admire that aspect lol

[short laurel]

Lil details are whats most important

[clear hill]

When you add up all the creative direction differences from old ador team and hybe’s ador replacement it really highlights the passion and soul lost in the old creative direction style.

[clear hill]

It really does make NJZ’s signature style so apparent. Every comeback is just filled to the brim with really good graphic design. As versatile NJZ is its still so cohesive to their signature style.

[short laurel]

Yup

[red thorn]

I'd like to believe the lack of supervising or no supervising at all

[hoary frost]

i agree. looks rushed

[lapis tendon]

iirc mhj also filed like 50 complaints to hybe superiors and they did nothing which is why she was calling bsh an incompetant pig in her leaked personal chat logs 💀

[waxen musk]

Anyone know a good way to speed up time?

[clear hill]

Did she lie tho

[bronze talon]

play games, watch videos/movies/series, work or just talk about things with your homies idk

[waxen musk]

I mean literally.

[bronze talon]

nope 💀

[lapis tendon]

not at all lmao

[clear hill]

Don’t revolve your whole life around one thing. I mean this with genuine intentions! fandoms are great for community building but you will find yourself drained in the end of the day. There is so much more to life

[waxen musk]

Thanks lol I didn't think it warranted such a serious response.

But it's true. Hope everyone can take the advice.

[clear hill]

It sounds serious but in the most lighthearted way 😭

Just treat your hobbies and interests as small tidbits of your life. It’s all about balance 🧘‍♀️

[bronze talon]

yea its normal to be worried and especially interested in whats going on
but looking at it like you can change any of this around the clock will not help

[clear hill]

But even then you can find a way to incorporate your interests into your daily activities! I was crafting a couple days ago and made lil polymer clay njz sugar cookie charms. That was fun

[waxen musk]

Nice.
Struggling to explain this concept properly but I'll just say it plainly: this situation has felt like the norm and continues to feel the same.

Or even plainer: I've gotten used to it.

[clear hill]

Yeah it really is dampening on everybody’s moods- the girls and the bunnies everywhere who miss them so much >.<

[bronze talon]

what i do is i dont constantly think about the situation all the time, when i see a tweet thats part of the topic, ofc i get reminded or hope to read through it to see positive stuff but im not permanently talking or thinking about it after im done reading. i just make my opinion and go on with my day doing all sorts of stuff. dw im on twitter like almost daily and see the members fan accs pictures but this doesnt make me think about the situation all the time (eventho a lot of tweets revolve around this topic recently lol)

like im not telling you what to do but with this im not in this hell hole ill call it
i trust the girls, ill wait for updates, read them (or not sometimes), make up my mind and then im informed and keep waiting, thats mostly it

[waxen musk]

[soft summit]

BE SO FOR REAL

[wraith cove]

You good mate?

[wraith cove]

Find yourself. Constantly focus on happiness and restricting boring and unfun activities. Practice freewill and enjoy existing.

[cinder narwhal]

their tweets sound eerily like juan https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1934985946342281270

𝙡𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧🦞 (@yo_lobster)

I’ve never felt this level of frustration watching a NewJeans video.

To whoever edited that video, you had the nerve to piece together smiles and laughter, all to serve a company that is the exact reason the girls can’t do any of that now??

Every single clip in that footage

X · Jun 17, 2025, 2:46 PM

chatgpt is real

[cinder narwhal]

I've been playing bg3 so much

[wraith cove]

I like some other groups but they feel dead compared to the life that is newjeans

[fleet nebula]

medically induced coma for couple months

[river inlet]

try to learn njz songs on an instrument, in other words use njz as starting point for creativity

[waxen musk]

How I perceive K-pop releases these days is so limited and often presents a narrative that I have to piece together from little bits of commentary online. Like I've seen so much pushed my way saying the ALLDAY PROJECT debut is the "best since BLACKPINK", and for ILLIT I've seen a lot of negativity around their new title track and it's poor Spotify streaming numbers. I have no idea if this is the reality of the situation for most people and if this is actually the general consensus regarding these two new releases. But all I feel are both of these loud opinions are certainly not how I feel. I generally quite like both of these new releases, but nothing more than that.

[wraith cove]

Illit is a pretty decent group but their first releases were their best and then they started focusing too much on visuals and we know why their first releases are the best (cough cough)

[river inlet]

illit is a cool group, and i feel bad for the hate directed towards the actual members themselves, just kids. but i feel sad watching their videos, reminds me of the situation

[wraith cove]

I feel bad for them the staff is horrible

[waxen musk]

I didn't really want to discuss other groups in this thread. Instead, my point was just that out of the groups that are most relevant right now, my perception of what is going on is such that I cannot trust my Twitter and TikTok algorithms to tell me what is truly going on.

But the "other groups feel dead" comment is what drew me to comment. I see people say one group is bringing life to K-pop and I don't see it. I see people say another group is failing and indicating death of K-pop. Either way, my enjoyment of the releases seems irrelevant to these points.

[lapis tendon]

Not my account but if you search up nj on Letterboxd there’s some good lists like this lol https://boxd.it/jX9KW

[waxen musk]

lol I find it really funny to have gotten multiple serious responses to that

[waxen musk]

I was thinking about Linda Linda literally yesterday. Never watched it but know the song since forever ago. Third on that list lol.

That and some horrible sounding live action movie that's hard to find from the guy who did Neon Genesis Evangelion that I keep forgetting the name of.

[young wyvern]

seriously miss them. rip

[lapis tendon]

Swing girls>>>

[young wyvern]

whats next for them?

[waxen musk]

Oh it's the second movie on that list. Love & Pop.
I don't think I've seen any of these movies. (Nevermind there's some more popular ones in there that I've seen.)

Heard about a bunch though.

[waxen musk]

Check the pinned schedule. Gonna have to wait for many more upcoming court hearings before having any idea how things will finally end up or when.

[hoary frost]

Kpop does feel a bit dead right now honestly. lack of innovation

[cinder narwhal]

the year is half over and i still dont know what this year's ditto or supernova is

[waxen musk]

Dirty Work is this year's Supernova. (will be)

But seriously, I cannot think of anything else that people truly care about.

[fleet nebula]

so far it was just Rebel Heart by IVE but that doesn't quite compare to a Ditto or Supernova

[waxen musk]

I do kind of wonder if K-pop companies are scared of BTS and BP coming back and are just backing off a bit. But it seems a bit premature to do so.

[cinder narwhal]

yea there's still no clear soty frontrunner

[waxen musk]

I've seen people argue for what they believe counts, but nobody actually can come to any agreement.

[fleet nebula]

isn't it usually just a combo of digital + physical + judges + some form of fans

[river inlet]

i feel like kpop ceased to exist in my mind after all this lol

[ornate zephyr]

wild take

public account that the members have =/= fundamental ‘human’ right

[wraith cove]

Their comeback is gonna be massive but it should only motivate people to work harder imo.

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1935161297999643080

1tokki (@juantokki)

Bunnies have been asking if there’s any official statement or direct information from the court regarding the appeal decision but unfortunately, there’s nothing publicly available yet.

Right now, the only thing circulating is from Lee Jin-ho, and let’s be honest, we can’t trust

X · Jun 18, 2025, 2:23 AM

I think I learned about the court case being finished from catzkang account which I thought was looking at the official court case so I don't know what the point of this Tweet is other than to say nothing has been official announced despite it officially being finalised anyway.

[short laurel]

Freedom to do what they want = fundamental human rights. Stop being ignorant.

Korean court literally stopped them from doing any idol activities. Something girls spent training their all of teenage years.

[cinder narwhal]

technically they still can

[short laurel]

But be fined.unless it's with blessings of hybe ador

[ornate zephyr]

never implied they couldn’t do what they wanted to do, don’t be so defensive and hurt ☝️

public accounts from any business perspective regardless of what they post and do can be weaponised to demonstrate to the courts that they could in theory be practising group activities when they aren’t, which is why where we are now

for the better of the girls it’s best they lay low completely

[short laurel]

read the whole argument we were having up there be4 posting. Their personal accounts as long as they not promoting anything is not idol activities. If korean court consider it, then it's total bs.
We are not talking about what girls are doing. We were talking about idols in general. Ofc girls saying anything can be used in court so they have to be careful but the entire argument was van an idol use their personal public account without company control or not.

It's morning n u came over me by only reading selectively. Annoying me. Resuming old topic.

[ornate zephyr]

then you’d also be aware that the korean judicial system is inherently tied into the oligarchical system whereas mega cooperations like hybe, regardless of whether people like it or not, sway massive influence over judicial procedures

given that business interests come first, and it seems hardly likely korean “justice” would stand for these idols, i doubt they’d stand for letting them use personal accounts with zero repercussion by the companies just standing by idly

[ornate zephyr]

doesn’t hurt to have a constructive talk about your points 🤗

[short laurel]

It seemed like u didn't read the entire chat on the topic be4 commenting, that's why i m annoyed. It's not constructive to resume the topic in that case. There were multiple ppl participating on this topic yesterday.

[ornate zephyr]

😀… feel free to read over what I said once again and come back after you feel like you’re ready to talk

the door is always open

[short laurel]

Smh

[ornate zephyr]

[waxen musk]

Media play Wednesday:

On the 18th, Adore said, "Yesterday, there was an appeals court decision that clearly confirmed once again that Adore is the agency of New Jeans."
Adore added, "We are deeply grateful for the court's decision," and "The company plans to do its best to support New Jeans, which will celebrate its third anniversary next month, so that they can make even greater leaps and growth."

ADOR are gonna celebrate their third anniversary...

[short laurel]

Without members

[waxen musk]

Fucking weirdoes

I'm just waiting for some AI "cover" new song from NewJeans any time now. I WOULD NOT be surprised.

Ugh I hope that's not legally possible. I have no idea. (I don't think it's happening btw, it's a horrible joke.)

But I do wonder if modern K-pop contracts have something about AI likenesses (visual and voice) in them now...

[compact creek]

"we fucked yall over multiple times but happy anniversary!!"

[waxen musk]

I wonder if we'll get a comment from MHDHH PR, now we've got one from ADOR. Journalists are supposed to ask for both sides for comments... but they can't even do that.

Anyway I joke about AI stuff, but what I think is quite realistic is new merch. Get ready for it.

[short laurel]

The scary thing is it's entirely possible. Hybe did made multiple ai songs in the past even though they were a translation of korean ver n editing.

[waxen musk]

Uggh I'm being very creative in my thoughts of how disgustingly exploitative ADOR could be but I'll save those from you guys

[short laurel]

That would be sad. Hybe have artists from other label for merch n yet they'd still use AI?

[river inlet]

wait they did? where?

[short laurel]

2 years ago

Masquerade by Midnatt.

[weak relic]

[short laurel]

Faker ji 😂

[weak relic]

See my custom role
U will know why

[short laurel]

I m laughing at ji

[ashen charm]

is yhe 725k legit?

[steel depot]

effin 🤮

[split shoal]

ik 🤣🤣

ador gonna celebrate without njz members

[ashen charm]

hybe money running dry

[short laurel]

132k fake fans

[ashen charm]

bots

[sudden tangle]

probably just don’t know

[hoary frost]

i actually would guess a decent chunk of ppl just want them to make be back again with no care or knowlege for the situation or fell into the popular narrative

[sudden tangle]

eh idk. there’s 100 different reasons. it’s kind of dumb to automatically go fake fans over viewing a video

[hoary frost]

[sudden tangle]

have to remember a good chunk of k-pop fans are literally children

[subtle matrix]

And that most people aren't nearly as invested in this

[sudden tangle]

yeah that too. for some people it’s simply just youtube content

[subtle matrix]

Like the majority of newjeans fans have no clue about any of the details of legal proceedings

[short laurel]

chill. my comment was not that serious.

[hoary frost]

well of course im just saying there are people who do want them to return now and its not like they are neglible

[river sphinx]

• that most don’t seem to care as the girls are still being paid by ador

[hoary frost]

can already guess how the comments of that video would go

[sudden tangle]

mb ur generally pretty serious. hard to know.

[subtle matrix]

A few days ago I had a very "grounding" moment lol went to a korean culture festival and met a few koreans in their 20s. There was a group performing there and the way they were dressed they reminded me of i-dle and I was commented "look it's i-dle" and they were like "uh?". I'm like "the kpop group?" and one of them goes "k-pop? I only know blackpink lol"

[short laurel]

even if people not following the drama. if they consume bit of njz content, algorithm is bound to show them more. and they most likely fall for the narrative.

[sudden tangle]

you shouldn’t immediately assume malice, people genuinely just don’t know lmao

[short laurel]

yea general public not into idol industry kpop much.

[hoary frost]

expected tbh

[sudden tangle]

not to mention that most of the good & truthful information comes from korean sources & there’s a lot of fans that don’t even bother with those

[short laurel]

big portion of those are mistranslated and intl fans follow those. tmikpop was an account who slightly change the narrative in translation to always make it seem like hybe is winning in past hybe drama. didn't c this account in this drama, i wonder what happen.

[sudden tangle]

they’re mistranslated if you read tweets rather than the actual source yea. but that still doesn’t change that there’s a large number of fans totally clueless to all this

i remember them tho. i hope they got bored & do nawt come back

[short laurel]

actual source is in korea so people don't bother looking. and those who look don't understand well wih google translation. it's slowly changing with ai translation improving.

[sudden tangle]

yeah i said not many bother to actually look 😭

point is there’s many fans or just casual viewers that aren’t up to date with what’s going on & a lot that also probably choose not to pay attention for their own mental health so watching doesn’t automatically equal they’re bad

[old cypress]

many don't really care and just want to consume entertainment

[sudden tangle]

yep that too, some people genuinely just see entertainment not people & their lives

oh well we have the video in here so

[hoary frost]

i think you took a throwaway comment too deep tbh

[sudden tangle]

didn’t ask. + i already said that’s my bad, they’re very serious 99% of the time so it’s impossible to tell

[hoary frost]

[sudden tangle]

yall when people discuss shit in the discussion channel:

[cinder narwhal]

[short laurel]

I've been serious past few days but to say i m 99% of time serious hmm ig u took too many of my chat seriously.

[cinder narwhal]

tbf they're right. anyway

[storm warren]

seems like appeal documents are out

[sudden tangle]

SKSKSNDK

[sudden tangle]

considering you took my hyperbole seriously, it appears we’re both struggling

[river sphinx]

did the judge seriously say that ador responded appropriately to each incident to protect njz members....

[honest sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1000645204048625684/1366565208532848660/GIF-250429_080046.gif

[river sphinx]

i need the witches to come out and do some black magic on that shit ass company

[hollow sorrel]

unfortunately that can happen because of the nature of injunctions, let’s hope the main trial will dive more deeply into each problem

[storm warren]

appeal verdict

[hollow sorrel]

really disappointing how almost everything in this comes down to "ADOR invested a lot into NewJeans' debut"
like okay???? They already made the debut money back while they were NewJeans and as Sejong highlights monetary damage and financial compensation can always be paid back after.

[storm warren]

yeah, the judge once again ruled from ador's perspective and did not see njz as equal party in contract

[hollow sorrel]

"Given the nature of idol group activities, the debtors (NewJeans’) success requires substantial investment, training, and support from the creditor (ADOR). These investments only yield returns after the debtors debut, through their recognition, reputation, and activities. If the debtors arbitrarily leave the contract to pursue independent careers, the creditor loses all investment returns, while the debtors gain exclusive benefits from future activities—an inequitable outcome."

and this is all thanks to MHJ who they dismissed??? this is really annoying how they are using ADOR as a shield, meanwhile ADOR was all Min Heejin's work (with investment from HYBE of course), but it was all made back?

[waxen musk]

I won't even try to understand that.

[short laurel]

Dani in omega kyoto event

[waxen musk]

I'm shocked lol

HOW?

The timing is comical.

[short laurel]

Outside korea ruling doesn't apply. Ador has to separately file case against girls in said country.

[waxen musk]

Yeah, it just feels weird. Also hadn't been put into practice yet. It's something people have continued to say but had yet to convince me, until now. I wonder if we'll see more of them saying fuck it and do shit outside of Korea.

[short laurel]

Even if ador tried it, maybe host ready to pay the fine for dani. Omega is much bigger than Hybe after all

[waxen musk]

I can't imagine the fines be worth it to be honest, even if they could take it on.

[short laurel]

How much was the fine? 1m won?

[waxen musk]

1B per incident per member

[short laurel]

726.8k usd.

Dam fine seems excessive

[waxen musk]

Yeah that's a bit too much for any company to just willingly pay for some advertisement ON TOP OF what they would already pay Danielle for her involvement.

Anyway clearly this is "allowed" because it's not in Korea. It's the ONLY way.

[short laurel]

I was thinking 1m won. But this much is too big fine for per event.

Girls are big but not that big.

[hasty yarrow]

Are we cooked?

[hushed whale]

nah i think this one was done through ador

[red thorn]

Didn't official NewJeans posted the Danielle Omega?
So I assume the sponsor/brand contract probably tied with the agency somewhat

[tardy smelt]

i mean 1M to them is pocket change and a slap on the wrist, 1B is a deterrent

[hushed whale]

its fine, just let them take a small management fees

[bronze talon]

yea 1b is a whole house

[short laurel]

They could've gone somewhere between like 300m 400m. Not too small n not too big for njz case. But now that i recall it, ador want 2b won per member per event. God

[waxen musk]

Oh shit I didn't even think about the ADOR involvement because that has been drilled into my mind as an impossibility.

Also the Omega x Danielle partnership was one of the first partnerships announced on the NJZ account and one of the first after they left ADOR. But you reminded me ADOR posted it on their own accounts too which at the time confused us and we just thought it was them trying to take credit for something they had no involvement in.

I'm not willing to believe this ADOR partnership by the way. Especially if they haven't (yet) posted anything about today.

[storm warren]

only HK and JP magazine outlets have posted so far and they didnt mention group name kek

[red thorn]

Harper's Bazaar hk did

[subtle matrix]

More likely it was done through ador. It's a global campaign and even if it was japan only she could still be liable

Or she just went "f it we ball" lol

[copper jetty]

It would be laughable if they did this but I'm concerned with the fines.

[hoary frost]

ad in shanghai

[waxen musk]

Showing up in ads for a brand deal you made pre-injunction isn't what's notable. It's her IRL appearance at an event that is. Like if today we got all these new Omega ads, we would assume it was all shot and recorded months ago. But then she shocks us with this appearance.

[hoary frost]

i know. just showing the ad

[subtle matrix]

Didn't they do a similar thing in multiple occasions shortly after announcing the unilateral termination? Doing appearances for prearranged deals

[waxen musk]

Yes, and all of those were pre-injunction.

[subtle matrix]

Ofc that was only things that were already planned at the time

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/imissnjz/status/1935296380530008081?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

NJZONE (@Imissnjz)

"The creditor (represented by the then CEO AD) defended the interests of the debtors:

Sent official letters and held press conferences protesting against AB and AK (Document No. 63);"

The court decided that Ador was protecting the girls…. because Min Heejin did it 💀

X · Jun 18, 2025, 11:19 AM

holy shit these judges are dumb as rocks

[waxen musk]

None of this is any different from the initial injunction results. We heard such ridiculous things back then too.

[hollow sorrel]

whats even crazier is that during this injunction they single handedly declared the solution of all other lawsuit’s end results

they said mhj did not choose the newjeans members, mhj didn’t do her duties and was rightfully removed as ceo etc.

when there are separate lawsuits going on for all these issues……..
they just read a few documents and decided which one is more convincing like bffr

[waxen musk]

I've given up trying to understand.

[hollow sorrel]

its so crazy but for some reason I still feel really confident about the main trial

the main trial judge is the only one so far that is not looking at the girls as "assets" but actual people

and his past cases look promising too

[copper jetty]

So MHJ so was sooo competent that Ador was using her to front that they did what they were supposed to even though she's not there anymore?

And court didn't even think what now she's not there then what will happen to that???

[bronze talon]

[copper jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/nwjns-newjeans-kpop-memes-kpop-gif-kim-minji-gif-13539562238387733631

[rain spade]

My copium not copiuming

[honest sky]

Corruption is expected

[old cypress]

blonde danielle

armies are gonna cry

[short laurel]

i need full translation to make a conclusion.

[short laurel]

i read koreans talking that appeal court make this type of decision all the time. and were criticizing it.

[copper jetty]

Very high. I'm so confused on how she's doing it despite the ban but wth... I'm just happy that she has that.

In short I'm so confused but I'm not gonna question it anymore. I'll take it as it is and won't care anymore about this.

[honest sky]

Moey

[old cypress]

most likely it was agreed upon and signed before the injunction

the entire campaign

[waxen musk]

I can't remember but did the girls say at some point that they had completed all previous contractual obligations involving ADOR?

[old cypress]

not ador, NJZ

[copper jetty]

I don't think they did. I don't remember them saying it.

[short laurel]

no. it was just us assuming it.

[waxen musk]

Eh lol. I think it's very possible this is still involving ADOR, unfortunately. Just think of it like the same type of thing they were doing in November, December and January. It's just weird timing.

[copper jetty]

For a second there i thought ash was typing and erasing things on his keyboard again.

[old cypress]

omega is not using newjeans, it's most likely from njz era

[waxen musk]

I feel like things will reveal themselves very soon regardless. Whether that is ADOR contributing to the promotion or not. Whether it's media play saying Dani violated the injunction or not. Either way it's best not to assume what's going on. Always quick to react.

[old cypress]

remember omega selected her as a global BA after newjeans left ador

[stone grotto]

I hope Danielle doesn’t have to pay up for going to that event in Japan. Or is that fee only if they do something in Korea?

[old cypress]

it applies to everywhere

[short laurel]

or omega really wants to sponser the fine.

[old cypress]

no way, 1B won is huge

[stone grotto]

They def have the time and money for it, hehe

[subtle matrix]

No knock on Danielle but paying 1B won on top of whatever they're paying her seems unrealistic

[hushed whale]

they announced the ambassadorship in dec
the contract was probably finalized 1-2 months earlier, so I guess it was under ador

[short laurel]

ofc. don't take that comment seriously

[old cypress]

No because newjeans danielle and danielle are 2 separate things

[red thorn]

We could only form speculation from the fact that: Danielle x Omega right after NJ left ador, NJ official posted it, this event confirm that apparently she is still brand ambassador

[old cypress]

It's basically a package ad+appearances+pictures etc that was most likely signed a while ago

[short laurel]

yea but it's up to brand to use group name or not. 🤷‍♂️

[waxen musk]

When I think about the Calvin Klein stuff, that started with them as NewJeans under ADOR, and ADOR surely promoted that. But only a few months later they call them by their names and ADOR stops promoting it. It leaves me really uncertain about how these contracts work.

[copper jetty]

Also don't I remember that that's the first brand that posted her right after they left and didn't even mention newjeans???

[red thorn]

Yeah the actual contract gonna be still mystery

[waxen musk]

I just think we're all assuming a lot of things and don't have specifics of any of these deals lol.

[old cypress]

the contracts are not permanent, it's per campaign

[stone grotto]

Their initially contract is up in 2029 right?

[short laurel]

it's safe bet to just use her name.

[hushed whale]

omega was confused too
they followed jeanzforfree on ig, then unfollowed, and then followed both jeanzforfree and newjeans account

[old cypress]

they had a campaign with newjeans, it ran its course, then they signed a new campaign with the individual members

it's just common sense IMO

[short laurel]

we don't know. their contract with ador was/is 7 years as we were told. but with brands it's contract details are not public and not standard.

[copper jetty]

Wait I remember this too

Which is why I think they signed this outside Ador. Otherwise, they would've included them from the get go. Anyway, at least we have some semblance of activity from them.

[storm warren]

didn't ador literally make issue about this bc it was signed outside ador

[old cypress]

it's just common sense if you pay attention to celebrities in general

[short laurel]

then ador will make fuss about it and dani might have to pay 1b won

[copper jetty]

They did?

[storm warren]

yeah, this was also mentioned in injunction, wasnt it? that member signed w brand O without ador

[old cypress]

I'm pretty sure dani checked with sejong beforehand lol

[storm warren]

she obv didnt check w you

[old cypress]

what does this have to do with me lol

[red thorn]

I'm wondering more about Omega than Dani

[storm warren]

[short laurel]

simple. if it deal was decided be4 termination, Dani is fine. if it was after termination, then ador is bound to make fuss about it.

[copper jetty]

Chill.

[storm warren]

i think contract was signed excluding ador, but idk how it played out after injunction ruling and maybe ador gets their cut and they made separate agreement.

[short laurel]

unless omega and ador came to some kind of deal later.

[short laurel]

i think this is most likely scenario

[copper jetty]

Yeah. The only reason Ador wouldn't fuss would be if they get a cut of that chaching.

[short laurel]

but regardless. i m expecting mediaplay against dani and later ador saying, they blessed it or something to appear nice and harm dani at the same time.

[storm warren]

she knew she had to attend events back then when she did elle singapore photoshoot. today's video is from that filming set iirc. so its something omega worked out obv

[short laurel]

i know that hybe is this low to do this.

[storm warren]

they can say they blessed it but njz still wont do any other activity under them

cfs are cute because bigger cut goes to artist. tho i dont think they have much obligations left.

also bc of third party involvement neither side can offend third party aka brand

real

[sudden tangle]

iconic of dani to do both non ador activities in short asf blonde hair

[sudden tangle]

stop 😭😭

[copper jetty]

Ok let me erase that

[sudden tangle]

ur not wrong tho.

[heady gate]

What if all the brands are promoting their products with NJZ outside of South Korea? This may work.

[empty halo]

so you're telling me, like danielle in Kyoto, all the members can go off and do promotions, photoshoots and events in foreign countries like Japan, Aus, the US, etc?

that makes the injunction's ruling a bit limited no

[short laurel]

I read korean accounts hoping girls going international. That korea is too small n corrupt for them. Either usa or japan.
(Personally i don't know which one is better, it's mess everywhere)

[empty halo]

if they completely established themselves and settled on one country wouldn't ador try to start a legal battle there

either ways they're not veterans in kpop, it took blackpink like 5-6 years to completely establish themselves abroad. It could be risky and also result in them losing a massive korean fanbase.

Koreans are def very umm patriotic/nationalist. they'll spin this into njz hating korea (like they have already) idk I think it'd too messy

[short laurel]

I think they meant after court settle

[empty halo]

once the legal battle settles why would they even need to leave the country to restart their careers. Korea is, whether we like it or not, a huge chunk of their fanbase

[short laurel]

Cuz it's too corrupted. Idk, that's what korean accounts said. Go ask them.

[empty halo]

yeah duh its corrupted

but leaving korea entirely is a risky idea for njz and most groups in kpop actually

[short laurel]

Not if they have huge intl fanbase who ready to support them. Girls still young n got time. Besides in kpop most kpopies only care about gg below 25 year old n after that u mostly c only dedicated fans while intl age doesn't matter much. N dedicated fans will follow.

Plus With korean media n associations constantly trying to put girls down going intl doesn't sound that bad.

Ofc in the end it's up to them. N it was korean twter accounts who were talking about girls going intl usa or japan. I only shared what i saw.

[empty halo]

yes they do have an intl fanbase but it's not as big as it is in korea + more importantly its SCATTERED globally across countries and continents. so if they go to a new country yes they'll have a headstart but they'll have to rebuild alot. In korea, they're just already established celebrities

perhaps they'd be willing to do that rebuilding, doesnt sound half bad to me but restarting in korea, the country they trained and debuted in, after such a difficult time period is just safer.

[short laurel]

To build in a country where system is against them or restart in another country.
Win or lose, we know for a fact that girls will always suffer from mediaplay by hybe. They'll be dealing with that alot if they stay in korea

Personally. I hope they go full indie.

[empty halo]

Japan could work out well for them tho but none of the members are japanese so idk if they'd wanna reside there

they could definitely experiment a lot more there

[short laurel]

Japan loves them especially after tokyo dom bunnies camp

[empty halo]

and they have an ent industry that suits them, not talking about laws and labels im talking about the music/visuals/output

[short laurel]

as long as they go as artists and not as idols. i not really like idol industry there. tbh i want girls to become full artists and not idols.

[floral heron]

so bc of the appeal decision thing does this mean theyre on an indefinite hiatus until contract ends?

[storm warren]

until first instance ruling of main trial if they win. if they lose, they can choose to starve the contract and continue hiatus

[storm warren]

the most important thing is that court can not force njz to return to ador even if they rule that contract is valid. what happens after will be up to members, magnanimous ador will leave room for private settlement

[old cypress]

No they're not allowed to do idol activities in any country

[empty halo]

shouldn't the Kyoto event be a violation then

[old cypress]

most likely signed before the injunction

When you sign with a brand it includes a lot of things ahead of time. Like photos + 1 cf + 4 appearances + 3 instagram posts, and so on

and the settlement is made ahead of time. They don't suddenly call you and go "oh right tomorrow we got an event, u coming?"

it's most likely something danielle cannot cancel despite the injunction

it's the same situation as complexcon

[short laurel]

false. they can in countries who won't accept or care about south korean ruling. like NK.

[empty halo]

ohhh right

[old cypress]

yeah but they won't be able to come back to korea without getting into trouble. Fines will pile up and the judge can seize njz's korean bank accounts if they refuse to pay. This is clearly not an option

[short laurel]

Yea they won't be able to go back to korea

[empty halo]

Haerin Hyein and Minji are completely Korean, I don't think they wanna uproot their lives there and just start a new career somewhere else

[shadow cloud]

this whole situation just makes me so upset why is not caring about human rights so normalized

anyways njz still never die ❤️

[short laurel]

U know me adding nk means i was joking

[empty halo]

"they broke the contract. this could set a dangerous precedent."
WHO GIVES A FUCK????? WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT THE WELL-BEING OF A COMPANY??? I hope they set a precedent and everyone in Korea starts breaking their contracts.

[empty halo]

obviously, im talking about other countries like Japan and the US

[short laurel]

Many ppl do it when their country constantly shows it does not respect them. As an Indian u should know this the best. It's hard but an option they can take. In the end it's up to them ofc. N depends on how the case goes n how the public reacts to it.
For some reason so many ppl, i see it especially in korean kpopies who c court ruling as justice regardless of reality.

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1935346492216410166?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

MHDHH Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop)

Manager nim 🫶

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#다니엘 #Danielle

X · Jun 18, 2025, 2:38 PM

[upbeat stream]

It's pretty common for singers though. Hanni for one. And the BP girls are operating from the US. I think the bigger reason is that NJZ is most popular in East Asia, not the west

[hollow sorrel]

isn’t that manager from ador? so this show was probably in her contract she signed earlier while she was at ador idk

[short laurel]

Old ador manager who left ador or new ador manager or old ador manager who still works in new ador

[empty halo]

yeah absolutely they're more popular in the East and while yes it is common for artists to go to the West I don't think that's what they're planning on doing at the moment. BP took years to start operating in the US.

[river sphinx]

why do hybe company stans keep such a close eye to what the girls are doing... acting like they're gonna share the money with hybe or some shit xd they're actually working for free

[short laurel]

Stalkers who enjoy seeing others suffer n just hate on others. Hybe n kpop breeds these kind of ppl with extreme often unfair competition

[river sphinx]

they sound lonely and unloved

[short laurel]

That's kpop

[waxen musk]

I don't know about that manager but I've heard people say Jeon Wick has been hired by NJZ's parents a few times.

[short laurel]

I remember when jeon wick once guarded red velvet

[waxen musk]

Red Velvet? Oh wow. I saw him with GFRIEND I think.

[empty halo]

Im thinking of deleting twt bc I literally hate consuming this content and then bunnies jumping these people as if that's gonna make them shut up

[upbeat stream]

There was that manager who was fired, but we don't know who

[short laurel]

Remember that majority of kpopies are not in it for music or other activities. But drama n stuff.

[empty halo]

saw a tweet saying "kpop stans listen to music w their eyes"
very real

[short laurel]

I'd say something else instead of eyes but I'd get banned for saying it here

[stray kestrel]

You will feel a lot of unneeded stress be lifted off your shoulders by leaving Twitter

[upbeat stream]

I was devastated yesterday, didn't expect to feel so much better just a day after. Seeing Dani today felt so good

[river sphinx]

all that noise music that sounds like ass...

stares at 98% of kpop boy groups

[river sphinx]

true true

[wary creek]

i'm just worried that the judge wouldn't like the breaking of the precedent and will judge in favor of hybe 😭

is njz and ador in a weird state where ador have to give work and njz have to accept work to impress the judge?

[old cypress]

no they're on a hiatus until the main lawsuit concludes

njz consider their contracts terminated and ador believes the contracts are still valid

[river sphinx]

the girls made it very clear they have no intentions of working with ador and that they do not trust them anymore

[river sphinx]

the media play 😭 https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1935377719925293401?s=46&t=_5QeHS11_fu8BPbWgUmhWg

does dani know that she went back to ador

pannchoa (@pannchoa)

NewJeans Danielle attends her first official event since going back to ADOR (ft. OMEGA CF)
https://t.co/eW1qGrmddA

X · Jun 18, 2025, 4:43 PM

[bronze talon]

"since going back to ador"

idk what uninformed internet explorer user is behind that acc but hes missing out

[waxen musk]

Funny how ADOR hasn't acknowledged this at all so far. Must mean Dani went back to ADOR, obviously.

[red thorn]

Still find this Omega deal interesting ever since the begining

[marble cape]

was the omega deal before or after the termination?

[red thorn]

Announced post-termination before injunction
Sign the deal the contract tho, don't know when

[shut kelp]

was the appeal confirmed that they lost it?

[shut kelp]

ya i think it was after

*x https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1935405288724844854

[harsh dove]

@TokkiLoops <t:1750271553:d>

[heady gate]

Her Omega ambassadorship was announced on December 17, 2024. Contracts are typically signed beforehand. We don't know when.

[shut kelp]

"Kpop music star Danielle Marsh"

😲

also im seeing accounts like Harpers Bazaar Korea tag fan accounts and not the newjeans ig account at least the ones im seeing that were there to take pictures

[heady gate]

Technically, this is Danielle 2nd OMEGA product promotion since Dec 17.

[shut kelp]

so maybe it isnt with ador?

[heady gate]

We can speculate all day, and never able to find the answer. 😆

[red thorn]

Yeah it's gonna be pointless discussion lol

[old cypress]

It's pretty obvious that it's a NJZ schedule, you just have to look at it with your two eyes instead of second-guessing

[red thorn]

To answer it's w/ or w/o ador, it's safe to see it's with ador's consent bc it's insane thing Omega do if it's without agency compromisation, Omega side on legality dispute aspect I think omega legal rep should know better

[heady gate]

It doesn't matter anymore, as long as, Danielle gets paid of this event. I am focus on the main lawsuit.

[alpine sapphire]

guys dani knows whats best for her i mean 1b isnt a little amount so lets wait for main trial we will get ans to all question ..... mabe adour is involved to maintain there brand image beacause they think that they will get girls back so ....

[red thorn]

And still no promo from ador huh
Let's keep the public speculation brewing first them probably

[ashen charm]

Either ador knows about this event and wants the speculation to favor them (ador ain't that smart)
Or omega is fine paying the fine amount to have danielle at the event

[old cypress]

nobody is paying a 1B fine

[ashen charm]

Omega is an ador sponsor most likely and she's just filling obligations

[old cypress]

no it's not an ador sponsor

[ashen charm]

If ador posts about it tomorrow then it is if not then your right

[old cypress]

they can post tomorrow and act like they're approving it like they did at complexcon

remember they posted almost everything while njz was working independently with brands and magazines

ador posted the njz and mhdhh stuff and it didn't mean the girls had ador's approval

[ashen charm]

Okay so I think its fine to do promotions and advertising as long as it's not hybe approval without of ador and its not in korea and the use of njz
So having it in posters hk and jp is totally legal

[old cypress]

no the injunction applies to worldwide activities, they're not allowed to do that

but you go to korea you'll see a bunch of new newjeans ads and posters (olens, indomie and more); Why? Because everything was signed before the injunction

brands work with celebrities on a campaign basis. They make a deal ahead of time and not on the go. Danielle might have appeared to an event today but that thing was contracted and settled months ago when danielle became their global brand ambassador

once the current campaign is done, danielle will not be able to do anything with omega

[waxen musk]

You do seem to write often claiming definite facts which I often disagree with.

[old cypress]

i'm not claiming facts i'm just reasoning using common sense like i usually do

[waxen musk]

Well I just think we know not much in general. It's just your writing style you say something in a way that makes it sound like you know something is a certain way, rather than just saying it's likely. Anyway I don't want to argue. Just wanted to clarify.

[old cypress]

Yeah but you can derive a few conclusions from common sense : There's no way danielle is paying 1B for this, and there's no way danielle didn't consult her lawyer. So what Danielle did is most certainly 'allowed'. But what is allowed? We know she can't do new activities and we know she won't work with ador. So it's gotta be an old schedule

not to mention that omega still refuses to call her newjeans danielle

[waxen musk]

I agree with all that.

[cerulean lake]

wait so she didn’t go back to ador

[waxen musk]

This is what I was disagreeing with. You have repeatedly said this so definitevely.

[cerulean lake]

i hate misleading titles. sad that their appeal was dismissed but was expecting that 😓

[old cypress]

it's because idol contracts always have a global reach

[hoary frost]

the only reason Danielle was able to do this promotion was because she already had the contract with that AD with ador too. So to prevent further legal disputes she attended

[ashen charm]

Kinda the same with hanni and ugg I asumme

[hoary frost]

anything promotional that they do now is through ador unfortunately.

[old cypress]

not ador, it was most likely post termination

[hoary frost]

i don't think so. Even if it was post termination she wouldn't have been able to do it because of court rulings

[old cypress]

it's the same situation as complexcon

yet complexcon wasn't cancelled nor any of the njz members got into trouble

[hoary frost]

Danielle already had a contract with that organization before the dispute a year ago

[old cypress]

contracts always need renewal and danielle renewed as njz in nov/dec 2024

we even got an announcement of danielle as global BA

[old cypress]

yes and that's post termination

[hoary frost]

what termination? they were NEWJEANS there and the contract wasn't broken (btw the contract was never terminated lol)

[old cypress]

njz terminated their contracts, so from their pov their contracts are terminated. What are we even discussing here lol

[hoary frost]

by mouth and imagination? Because the last time i checked the court ruled that NJ is still part of ador by contract

[red thorn]

The difference those ads are under NewJeans/Ador, but Omega one allegedly under NJZ/mhdhh before injunction temp verdict
Common sense tells me current injunction verdict should change things on how the active Omega campaign proceed

[old cypress]

It's an injunction. All the court did is granting ador's request and ador's request was to stop njz activities. It didn't rule anything about the validity of the contracts, that's what the main lawsuit is for

[hoary frost]

their contract is literally still valid until the court says otherwise

[cerulean lake]

idk i feel like it’s risky for them to do promotion after the injunction asked them to pay like $700k for an activity if they do anything w/o ador 🤷🏻‍♀️ unless omega is literally paying those fees 😭😭

[old cypress]

All the specifics of a campaign are agreed and settled at the very beginning when the contract is signed. So what you see today is a schedule set and paid for months ago

[naive hound]

Do we know when their contract expires

[cerulean lake]

isn’t it like 2027 or 2028. maybe even later

[old cypress]

According to who?

[cerulean lake]

ugh this is just so tiring going through this since 2024. someone just put bangpd, belift, source, and the hybe ceo in jail for revenge 😭🙏🙏💔🥀

[hoary frost]

don't you follow news my friend?

[naive hound]

The paper they signed when they joined the company I suppose

[hoary frost]

they are being ignorant (aegreen)

[old cypress]

you can read the injunction report you know

[hoary frost]

their contract is not terminated friend lol

[naive hound]

During this time they will have more time to enjoy their private life, improve their skills and surely be ready to show us new sides of them. Idk what will happen but it might be years of waiting

[old cypress]

no it's not but njz believes so

[hoary frost]

njz can believe they can fly

[old cypress]

maybe you need an analogy to understand. You got a job and you want to quit. There's a clause for you to quit. So you quit. But your employer doesn't agree with the interpretation of the clause and tells you that you're still their worker and sue you. Then the employer asks the court to stop you from working elsewhere while the lawsuit is ongoing; The court sides with the employer and tells you to act like you're working at the company even though you're not going to work

the status of the contract is currently in a limbo

right now ador cannot force newjeans to have a comeback because the girls are simply not gonna do it. It's only when the main lawsuits concludes that we will know if the girls were right or not

[naive hound]

I agree with you except for the limbo thing. When court force you to go back to your previous work you actually need to work

[bronze talon]

idt a court can force you to work somewhere

[waxen musk]

I know you just Googled something and this is the first thing that came and was highlighted and therefore it's "the news" but this is why this situation we're in is a fucking nightmare.

[old cypress]

no you don't need to work, if it's an injunction to not seek work elsewhere. The court grants the injunction and just the injunction

[naive hound]

That's not how it usually is irl but idk how their contract is anyway

[old cypress]

The request came from ador and it's very specific. Ador specifically requested the court to stop njz's independent activities and nothing else. And the court granted exactly this

[hoary frost]

that's not.. how it works. And it depends on the country laws and all that. And we are talking about different industries here, in this case the kpop / k entertainment industry in which the south korean court is more strict with idols contracts

[old cypress]

It's not a matter of industry it's a matter of contract clauses... Njz believes there's a clause that allows them to terminate. Ador thinks njz is misinterpreting the clause. But I guess you're not really willing to have a frank discussion so I'm done here

[hoary frost]

and Ador side is obviously winning with the court. So njz is still in contract with them because there's a reason they got banned from doing promotions outside of ador

[red thorn]

Are you certain the contractual duties override this injunction verdict? My common sense tells me Omega would be dragged into legal dispute so my assumption there's modification or compromisation with agency

[wraith cove]

i wish njz wins and all but this is simply true, ador and hybe will have the upper hand due to contractual duties and the fact that bang is a higher up.

[ashen charm]

well that clears it up

[wraith cove]

which is also why she was so sad when talking to the camera in the video.

i thought it was obvious from the start lol

[bronze talon]

I mean predictable
Why would they do this in the first place if this would be against the ruling lol

[red thorn]

There we go

[waxen musk]

It's very interesting that ADOR doesn't promote this and OMEGA doesn't mention NewJeans or ADOR. Yet ADOR assists with this.

If you look at this the same way as the contractual obligations from the end of last year, the opposite was true in all cases I can remember off the top of my head.

[red thorn]

Yeah but the difference it was between agency+their exclusive artist & brand

[waxen musk]

It's a confusing partnership that you would expect ADOR to take full advantage of.

[waxen musk]

I'm already seeing Tokkis claim this is media play. Lack of trusted news sites and those reports saying "sources say".

However, it is the most believable situation so I'm not saying it's fake news or anything.

It's just weird if this is ADOR's way of claiming ownership over the situation. Like I said though, the lack of promotions confuses me.

[clear hill]

The court denied NJZ’s appeal to the injunction which is about their independent activities outside of ADOR. The legitimacy of their termination is what the MAIN court hearing is about.

[red thorn]

It seems to me logical move by the parties involved considering the situation

[short laurel]

Here's the thing. No where around the world can a court force someone to work in a place they do not want to. The only people this doesn't apply to are criminals. If the court forces them on community service then they have to.
But the njz case is civil not criminal. So the court has no say in this. The only thing they can do is detar girls from working by using the huge fine of 1b won.

Regardless of what ppl think of the current contract. Whether it is terminated or not. At the end of the day girls no longer wish to work for ador n winning n losing the court battle will determine if girls have to pay the panelty or not. And the amount will be determined by damage lawsuit.

[marsh roost]

no matter what ends up happening, this will be a ~2 year process, so basically you can imagine that the girls have taken leave for military service like it happens with boy groups

[short laurel]

With occasional cf's from the remaining contract 😅

[hoary frost]

well korea is different. If you don't work despite having a contract you will have to pay the fines and looking at how huge hybe is and the contract is probably a multi-million Contract, they would have to pay more than $100 million USD.. DEPENDING on what the court decided

[short laurel]

If girls lose the lawsuit.
N it's not that korea is different. It's the same everywhere.it depends on the result.

[hoary frost]

what we all know is that the court is siding with ador. Korea takes their company contracts VERY seriously. And if you don't accomplish it you can literally get banned from the industry

[short laurel]

That's illegal to do according to korean law. Companies find loopholes to do it though but again it's illegal to ban ppl from industry in korea.

[red thorn]

The exclusive contract between ador and the girls still disputed? And the injunction ruling isn't even about the validation it's about solely prevent commercial activities outside agency until main lawsuit

[river inlet]

i want njz back but if they cease work as idols to be happy i would accept their happiness, though i dont think theyd cease everything at least after contract right?

like in a worst case scenario: they wait until contract date is up to continue something?

[short laurel]

Indiejeanz

[thick glade]

They'd blow up again if they went indie

[short laurel]

And they'll be free too.

[thick glade]

Haerin ceilings cover was a teaser

[hoary frost]

Thanks to jyj

[clear hill]

Nu(gu)jeans 😭

[short laurel]

But freedom on creativity n activities

[hoary frost]

This reminds me. I still see some fans going against jyj and saying they were in the wrong. that legal btatle gave results of new maximum contract length and anti blacklist law

[short laurel]

Fools.

[cerulean lake]

that’s why kpop is a cooked industry in general. it’s these people who allow the higher ups to do these exploitations and the courts and corruption just uphold this shit 💩

[clear hill]

Tbh this is best case scenario. Lemme be delulu but I’d love if things all work out in the end and mhj starts a label and they end up under said label

When there were theories of njz being under bana I was so hyped for it 😭

[cerulean lake]

i think atp, they’re gonna just gonna wait out the main trial and i’m just gonna have to expect like a 2 yr hiatus

[clear hill]

It’s all soft politics. Kpop brings a lot of traffic to Korea and without this industry Korea wouldn’t be as economically successful as it is today.

[cerulean lake]

that’s also true but the fact that exploitation happened when kpop was still more of a domestic market (not as much money from international market) shows it’s also an industry problem in general

[clear hill]

Yes it is an industry problem at the end of the day. Unfortunately in a corporation world exploitation is bound to happen but in such a rigid strict society like Korea it’s like multiplied.

[cerulean lake]

yeah that’s just so unfortunate and the fact that some fans uphold this behavior makes it worse. that’s why i’m literally just cutting out kpop rn ever since they lost that injunction. too frustrating 😪

[clear hill]

And it’s really fucked up how koreaboos from the west who have this rose coloured lens view on kpop and Korean culture in general will find a way to justify the idol industry because they don’t want to disrupt this fantasy they have. Fandom culture has always had a reputation for being toxic but to see people actively display their cognitive dissonance towards mistreatment just because it’s in a foreign society and things work differently there is so jarring.

[short laurel]

It is soft power n contributing to tourism but korea economy success is mainly thanks to tech industry, not kpop.

[clear hill]

Yeah definitely, I forgot about Samsung 😭

[short laurel]

U almost sounded like army. They are so sure that kpop n mainly bts that made korea big. 😭
Completely ignoring the chaebols

[clear hill]

But I mean the amount of tourists that go to Korea**, kpop and Kdrama definitely drives alotttt if tourists to visit SK lol

[short laurel]

Yea tourism increased alot

[clear hill]

Don’t disrespect me like that 💔 I’ve literally grown up on 2nd gen kpop, 2e1,wonder girls, shinee, snsd paved the wayyyy

[short laurel]

Sorry 😅

What gen was psy. Gangnam style paved the way too

[clear hill]

Tbh idkk, I’m 20 and I remember gangnam style blowing up when I was in grade 2 (2012) so I wanna say start of 3rd gen? Idk😭

[hoary frost]

Yep by utilizing fan passion they can do the pr work for you

[cerulean lake]

as can be seen with hybe utilizing those fandoms in the beginning of the conflict by saying random shit

[red thorn]

I agree it's soft power, planned by government as sk selling point but chaebols investing in the industry play major part too bc it's promising, all the more reason need more solid protection from labor law to mitigate the exploitation

[cerulean lake]

true chaebols literally run sk especially when they have connections to higher up politicians who follow what they say

i mean this occurs in like every country but i feel like it’s so prominent in sk

[short laurel]

SK and USA

[river inlet]

me too it was inescapable

i was in middle school though

[old cypress]

That's what I've telling everyone. It's just common sense really

[old cypress]

You got the answer now

[red thorn]

Yeah I already saw it

But I still doubt the contract duties or obligation could override this injunction ruling (it's not the same with obligation where theynare artists contracted by brand through ador also without any specific ruling), hence why ador involved

[old cypress]

What the injunction prevents is new schedules, not schedules that got contracted before the injunction. Both complexcon and this omega thing are from before the injunction. The problem here is you think danielle got paid yesterday for the omega event when the payment actually took place last year. The contract is signed, the payment is done : The whole thing is considered pre-injunction.

as for ADOR i'm pretty sure they're just claiming whatever just like they did at complexcon so they can appear supportive. Omega is clearly not mentioning newjeans in any form which is not very adorlike. I'm very positive that Ador is getting zero money from both omega and complexcon as they're both njz schedules, and there's absolutely nothing ADOR can do about it

[red thorn]

Can't be sure to me, nor I can be certain for I was saying
In my understanding, sponsor/brand's perspective knowing there's update of legal ruling they either could cancel or compromised with the situation if they want still to proceed with the contract/campaign
The complexcon performance compromised too

[old cypress]

The legal status of the group doesn't really impact the brands. NJZ considers their contracts are terminated so brands will treat with and pay njz directly. Depending on the main lawsuit ruling, 2 outcomes are possible :

• NJZ wins, and the girls keep their money
• NJZ loses and the girls pay ADOR its share

That's all that matters. Brands and sponsors are never getting into trouble for working with NJZ directly as it's none of their business. People are making it more complicated than it needs to

[red thorn]

Not talking about main lawsuit, I'm talking the current legal ruling, the injunction

[old cypress]

the injunction's one and only scope is to stop njz from signing new activities, nothing else

An injunction is a court order requiring a person to do or cease doing a specific action

The simplest definition of an injunction. And the action ador requested the court to stop is NJZ starting new activities. Nothing else

[short laurel]

That means complex con was no problem even if ador didn't agreed to it since complex con appearance was decided be4 ruling.

[red thorn]

The complexcon was 1 time event thing, not on going campaign

[old cypress]

the campaign is also a 1 time thing that took place last december. Omega basically paid 1x CF 1x photoshoot 2x events etc... That's how campaigns with brands work, it's not a monthly subscription or anything like that it's always a package deal that is settled upfront

you're viewing the events from a customer pov not from a business pov

[red thorn]

I've been trying seeing this from sponsor's pov and understanding the legal logic of this whole deal since beginning

[old cypress]

Yeah people say a lot of stuff but there's actually not much to consider from the sponsor's pov, which is why they all agreed to work with njz. People like to say that brands decided to work with njz out of love but the truth is brands don't risk much at all. Njz bears the full responsibility not the brands. If njz contracts are actually not terminated then njz pays ador their due share, it's the only thing that will happen

[red thorn]

I still on my stance that doubt the contractual obligations that signed even before injunction could override the injunction ruling, it's barred any independent entertainment activities means new or ongoing without agency's management involvement

[grizzled summit]

Did NJZ's appeal get dismissed??

[cinder narwhal]

yes

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/ku_chiko/status/1935651033235308944?t=fnR6s1fykOjLF-PmcjY-_Q&s=33

It just popped up in my head, I wonder where we would be right now if MHJ allowed BSH to produce music for newjeans even if it's only 1 time.

🐰💜⟭⟬ ⁷ ⟬⟭ 🐰 (@ku_chiko)

どう考えてもミンヒジンさん率いるチームの元創り上げられた彼女達の音楽は唯一無二なんですよね。
バンタンにパンPDとチームが不可欠だったのと同じです。
それをある日突然何の相談も無しに奪われた。
元のADORに戻してくれ…。
出来ないならこの子達...

X · Jun 19, 2025, 10:49 AM

[hoary frost]

What mockery, I saw someone post magical girl njz edit and some people absolutely seething over it for some reason...don't get it

What train, all I saw is other fandom saying unhinged things to that edit

yes i saw but nothing really wrong with that

how so

they are always attacking njz everyday anyways. the response to that tweet were 100x worse and more mocking than anyone posting any content with the phrase of magical

[lapis tendon]

It’s never been peaceful for the girls on Twitter since day one though

[copper jetty]

I do understand the other fandom's pov and I won't deny that some of the toxic bunnies seem to be posting those just to tease that fandom. But let's be real... even before that gg debuted, bunnies have already been associating NJZ girls to fairies and magical girls like ppg and sailormoon so idk why this is an issue.

[lapis tendon]

Shit I remember the fake concern over their debut ages, Cookie, “xyz group is doing their nostalgia concept better than NewJeans” since day one lol

[hoary frost]

nah how do we understand their pov. someone just posts an edit with magical girl njz and they start saying totally weird things. nothing wrong with bunnies posting magical posts after. its a fact they have done magical concept before

they should be focused on their recent comeback instead of this

[lapis tendon]

(And I say fake concern bc those same people were the ones who ended up sending death threats/nowhere to be found when hybe was actually doing shady things to them but I digress)

[copper jetty]

Asap and that BB women music... even the MMA for me danielle was like sailor moon there.

[storm warren]

even if bunnies acted like saints, it wont stop these fandoms from hating on njz and nitpicking on them. bunnies are quite done with them, so yeah. the fanwars are going to stay

its just reality lol. these fandoms are in njz business 24/7.

[hoary frost]

They keep on flexing that they have comeback and we don't but why don't they pay attention to their comeback instead of getting mad over someone sayin gnjz are magical girls

[copper jetty]

Tbh I don't see those on X. I block toxic tokkis so idk what hate train you're talking about but I did see an NJZ edit of magical girls and the OP made a statement that they only did an edit and didn't mean for it to be such a big issue.

[hoary frost]

posting magical girl njz moments isnt a hate train

[subtle matrix]

"They are toxic even when we're not toxic" it's what every toxic fan says to justify their toxicity tbh. No one gains from this

[hoary frost]

nothing is toxic about it

[storm warren]

that being said njz has viral hit tweets dating back to 2023 where fans call them magical, princesses etc. them popping veins over it is hilarious. ive did magical girl concept recently but their stans were not claiming the word magical. what kinda bs

[hoary frost]

theres no eye for an eye they started attacking a random person for posting a magical girl edit and people decided to post more magical girl njz. Whats toxic about this. were they attacking illit

[subtle matrix]

In a vacuum there's nothing toxic about saying newjeans had magical girl concepts in the past. That's just a fact. But it is purposely being used to feed online toxicity

[hoary frost]

the point is bad

[hoary frost]

nothing toxic about it from bunnies side

I dont even engage in twitter fanwars nor have public account so

[subtle matrix]

Because bunnies have never done anything wrong ever

[hoary frost]

like what's the point of this. Oh my gosh bunnies responded with magical girl images. this must be deeply punished.

[hoary frost]

I didnt say that. i saw some very bad tweets from bunny side about illit new comeback etc. but this isnt that case.

[subtle matrix]

Just another day in kpop twitter

[hoary frost]

true but this is just how the twitter crowd moves, best to block if u ese toxic behaviour and curate timleine

[short laurel]

that's just kpop stans. sadly

Lia is a good account to use to shut down fake tokkies who wants girls back to hybe ador.

[hoary frost]

participating in fanwars isn't really the same as not being reliable. people point out lia is not credible because she posts random unverified information

[short laurel]

not just that, Lia also post hate against other idols.

[river sphinx]

it all literally started from one edit that a creator made because they saw a njz performance and thought of sailor moon and then mentally ill people saw it and decided to throw shade and hate at njz.... i think its fair that people put them in their places lol

like no offense but there was no mentions of a specific group their fans put themselves into all this drama

I really don't understand what the point is lol are fans now not allowed to call them magical girls or compare them with a popular anime like sailor moon? I'd agree if fans were literally comparing the girls to that one group just to start drama but a fun and innocent edit isn't harming anyone

[hoary frost]

I just dont see the point honestly of complaining about twitter babble. i even see chart accounts being shady randomly. anyways "back first comeback" as if the girls dont get toxic attacks everyday and that'll happen no matter what bunnies do

Even with the most perfect source people wouldn't care about information that contradicts their narrative. These are the same who platform weirdos like aespan and sniper

saw this from 450k follower army account today. didn't share how they knew the guy was a tokki...?

[river sphinx]

i genuinely just don't think posting a sailor moon x njz edit with the caption 'magical girls' is teasing to have reactions or create a toxic convo but whatever lol i'd understand if tokkis did it out of the blue but this all literally blew up from an innocent edit where people involved their own favs and targeted njz first

[hoary frost]

I am thinking this is an attempt for free promo maybe

[waxen musk]

Just saw that now but the person wrote NewJeans along with Yuna, Rose and other things.

[hoary frost]

Yeah so how come only tokkis are being blamed...?also I remember some fearnote posing as a tokki before

very cringe behaviour from that account

[waxen musk]

Twitter really isn't the best place to be, but it's understandable after what happened recently. I do wonder when it will calm down. They will calm down, they always do.

[river sphinx]

i mean sure it'll give them likes bc anything related to njz hate blows up but that won't really help them with streams

[hoary frost]

I actually think their new song is the best one they have released so far tbh. not sure why they are not paying atttention to it rather than getting hysterical over magical girl edits

Well I did notice many are token stans so that maybe explains it

[river sphinx]

i honestly think their older stuff like cherish my love suits them more but yeah

haven't listened to the new song so can't really comment on that

[frank musk]

just today

[river sphinx]

burn them

[frank musk]

Idk if this is valid from ador😂 tf they on about

[waxen musk]

That message was from Wednesday. I mentioned them saying they would celebrate NewJeans' third anniversary.

I think the translations from the news sites that reported on their message made it sound like that, but the translation above doesn't quite say that.

[frank musk]

Ohhh ok👍

[short laurel]

just like how they always assume anything bad to bts is sm stans. that hate just shifted to tokkies now.

[grizzled summit]

It's a shame the girls are losing, they seem to not be submitting the most hardcore evidence I don't understand why do they not submit those evidences, they keep screaming the same things. Once they throw the evidence it's game over for ADOR. 13 lawyers and still not winning is somewhat embarrassing, and we know the judges are probably bribed but the girls do not even submit their TRUE mistreatments hence they get this backlash from fans

[old cypress]

they can't submit new evidence for the appeal. The appeal looks at the injunction ruling and check if it was done correctly. Whatever new evidence njz has will go through the main trial

[waxen musk]

We don't really know if they're losing this main trial because it hasn't gone deep enough yet for any real hints towards how things may conclude. That plus the judges seem to at least be acknowledging and considering things that the injunction just didn't. That's why we still have hope.

[old cypress]

yeah one of the biggest problems with the injunction is they're establishing mhj protecting newjeans = ador protecting newjeans since mhj was ceo of ador

[hoary frost]

those fans have issues with tokkis, sm fans, yg fans, basically whole kpop industry that isnt part of their hybe family (sometimes have issues with them as well)

[old cypress]

everyone has a problem with everyone on twitter. People are mentally incapable of nuance on this platform

[hoary frost]

nah but bts fans issue with sm fans runs deep. Which is probably why they also kinda did have a dislike for njz even at the start of the debut i remember

[waxen musk]

Just posted an example of more Fraudor incompetence regarding the new video: #newjeans-chat message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1750345073:f>

from ashbash159

Example:
[Jump to message](#newjeans-chat message)

[short laurel]

it's special kind of deep with SM. everything bad at hybe = SM fault. xD

[lyric geyser]

Karma will hit them one day for all the wrong they've caused

[hoary frost]

And njz used sm creative director

[short laurel]

something good happen to SM artists = SM trying to harm bts or something

[short laurel]

didn't hybe hired like alot of SM employees xD

[hoary frost]

lol

[river sphinx]

just saw this and lmao https://x.com/goldhanni/status/1935701665815937391

car (@goldhanni)

tokki jail time i fear..

X · Jun 19, 2025, 2:10 PM

[hoary frost]

That photo had other artist names on it as well apparently. And they only revealed a part of what was written

Account with 450k followers doing this

[river sphinx]

yeah other hybe groups and solo artists

[copper jetty]

I wonder how is it that fandom always see a random person doing things they don't like and just label them as tokkis. Even when there's no indication of the fandom they're in.

[old cypress]

people here do the same, every fandom does the same

[hoary frost]

i even saw people blaming tokkis for things that happened before their debut

[river sphinx]

they're literally blaming mhj for ruining kpop xd

[frank musk]

Ok its not really MHJ's fault alright

It was also on hybe's management

[hoary frost]

even they qrted some post about njz saying "you guys hated on momoland for this". When i remember some very specific fandoms who hated on momoland

[copper jetty]

true.. but we label them as hybe stan. There's multiple fandoms in there though. We don't specify as if we know that much.

[short laurel]

Ww1 n ww2 happen cuz of mhj

[hoary frost]

not to this extent

the things they blame njz mhj and tokkis for especially nowadays is to insane degrees. You can't just say it happens to everyone

[short laurel]

Yoon martial law was cuz of mhj.

[copper jetty]

they be saying that global warming now is because of MHJ.

[cerulean lake]

two specific fandoms specifically caused the downfall of momoland 👀

[short laurel]

Mhj shaman so powerful, she went back in time to put bts in all the dreams in the past.

[river sphinx]

they deleted their reply but they replied to this with it not being hybes fault fdkgjdfkg and from the pfp and @ we can all tell they meant mhj but everyone is thinking of hybe

[cerulean lake]

i remember all of that shit going down in 2018 👎

[short laurel]

I know 1. But who is 2nd one?

[hoary frost]

Yeah i also saw it go down

[hoary frost]

blinks

[short laurel]

Ohk. Makes sense

[cerulean lake]

let’s just say blinks were a BIG part of it bc they thought nancy disrespected them 😭

[hoary frost]

basically they had the two biggest fandoms going against them

[river sphinx]

ofc. whenever something goes wrong in my life i just scream its her fault bc it probably was 😦

[copper jetty]

wait who's the 2nd fandom??

[short laurel]

Poor nancy went through alot already n these 2 fandoms going against her fir bs reason...

[cerulean lake]

tokkis can be toxic but let’s just say that 2018 vitriol against momoland was some of the most toxic shit seen in kpop

the way people analyzed idols dating was essentially placed on them but it was used for pointing out the smallest “mistakes” 😭

[cerulean lake]

think abt the two biggest and most toxic fandoms

[river sphinx]

isn't that literally army and blinks xd

[cerulean lake]

i just realized but didn’t that one really accurate tarot acc say that after march-may, they would be doing well and possibly making a comeback 😭😭

i remember them being SO accurate about 2024 (like even the exact months were right) that it was almost scary but their 2025 reading might be a little off. i lowkey remember using that acc as copium after their injunction loss 😭💔🥀

[short laurel]

fun fact. those were vague enough to spin it however u want. besides that account meant to say mhj as bad.

[hollow sorrel]

I remember her she said that in June there will be some kind of loss I think?

But she said the whole thing's ending will be favorable to the girls and there will be some kind of "win-win" (both parties benefit)

do what you want with that information

[cerulean lake]

do we remember what she said abt the rest of the year bc i remember her saying smth better will come

[cerulean lake]

true ik it’s more of like a “fun” thing but like they were so accurate for 2024, i couldn’t just ignore that 😭

[hollow sorrel]

you can find her readings here:
https://x.com/daisyarcana

[cerulean lake]

i’m just on some tokkium rn 💔🥀

[waxen musk]

[empty halo]

[clear hill]

I think people who are clearly bullying the illit members in the guise of supporting njz are wrong and disgusting but the “magical girls” concept looks too strinkingly similar to njz’s previous concept and it’s quite obvious and I think that’s why people are posting those things.

But I also think that belift lab plays a huge responsibility in this because the fact that they’re obviously copying njz or at the very least taking major inspiration from njz will inevitably be an attack on the illit brand. It’s really hard to separate belift’s creative direction for illit and the illit brand itself without hurting the members. This is really shameful of belift because this makes taking accountability very hard on their end since this can also disproportionately affect the illit members as well.

[old cypress]

I think it's fine to call out belift for still having newjeans on their moodboard. But let's be real, most tokkis on twitter just want to fight with glitts

[copper current]

someone who just like laying down copying others, stealing from others will never be able to succeed. In the end, uncreative people will be ruined and learning to succeed by stamping on others and using evil methods never work out.

I don't care about the carbon copy group because I did nothing and they ruin themselves, like trying to be leech living on the original until the original vanish and the leech will follow, what is the longevity? that group is set up for failure

[waxen musk]

That company hasn't done anything to benefit themselves so I wonder why they keep on doing it. I wish everyone could just ignore them because what they do is inevitable and nothing will change.

[waxen musk]

Everyone is very sensitive right now. I don't think anything is working out no matter what team you're on. You've got people saying NJZ is over and Tokkis saying how relevant they continue to be through streaming and ads. You've got people saying ILLIT is over because their comeback isn't doing so well statistically and you've got GLITTs saying well at least they're putting out new music. Like who wins these arguments. Both groups are compromised.

[red thorn]

They keep on doing it, maybe it's actually benefit them that's why

[old cypress]

and illit is successful they have good album sales and overall they're most likely profitable

[clear hill]

Oh tbh I’m not too familiar w twt 💀💀 so I’m completely unaware of what goes down there

[old cypress]

that's a good thing

[clear hill]

I would rather amputate my 4 limbs than go on kpop stantwt. That place is a hellhole filled w the most miserable people in denial about their parasocial relationships with idols they don’t even know

[old cypress]

as i said, good album sales

[river sphinx]

wasn't there something about 100k of their albums being returned or smth i could be wrong tho correct me if i am

[clear hill]

Yeah plus Spotify isn’t really a reliable source for organic streams 😭

[old cypress]

even accounting for the 100k they still have a fanbase big enough to keep the group profitable

long short story belift isn't losing money with illit

of course

[clear hill]

Gfriend isn’t even a good comparison to illit because hybe put them in the basement for how long

[river sphinx]

wasn't gfriend forced to basically disband or smth

i left kpop back when that shit happened

[clear hill]

I don’t know much about kpop groups but I hear ppl say that gfriend is the only Hybe group that can actually sing 💀

[river sphinx]

well there was newjeans but yeah

[clear hill]

Yeah they don’t count, other than bts they’re hybe’s biggest money makers

[old cypress]

all i said is illit is a profitable group

[clear hill]

For sure they definitely are

I think their concept is 5th gen solidified and they’re kinda the first group in 5th gen to capitalize off of the newjeans concept so its very profitable for sure

[old cypress]

there's no such thing as 5th gen anyway but that's another debate

[clear hill]

Idgi

Isn’t 5th gen just groups that debuted in 2023- present

[old cypress]

no, but I get what you're trying to say anyway

[clear hill]

Oh then what is it?im not really familiar w kpop terms

[old cypress]

you can say rookies or whatever but we're still in the 4th gen

[clear hill]

Ohh I see. Then what determines the start of a gen?

[old cypress]

dominance, who dominates the industry

[clear hill]

Like group wise or concept wise?

[old cypress]

commercially. snsd 2ne1 f(x) gave way to twice blackpink red velvet who gave way to aespa ive newjeans. Whoever replaces aespa ive and newjeans will herald the 5th gen

[clear hill]

Ahhh I see. I get it. And yeah it’s veeeery hard to replace aespa I’ve and newjeans. There’s too much imitation and it’s just monetizing off of profitable concepts that are considered a huge part of a group’s brand image. Esp aespa and njz

[old cypress]

it's coming eventually. Nothing lasts forever

[clear hill]

But to add onto this convo I saw this tt talking about how blackpink paved the way for the girlcrush concept that dominated 4th gen and njz paved the way for this youthful,nostalgic and magical/whimsy concept. Not just creative direction wise but music too. I heavily agree with it

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSkGcs8oV/

[old cypress]

i don't really see the bp influence on aespa. aespa did its own thing like newjeans and changed kpop

[clear hill]

I get that, they’re very different concept wise but I think that SM saw the huge influence blackpink had on the industry and incorporated similar ideas onto Aespa. But the beauty of it is SM managed to create a recognizable brand identity that separates them from blackpink. They didn’t want a blackpink Sm version, they did something really different and unique.

Aespa definitely left a huge impact on the industry bc after their debut there was this huge emphasis on “AI beauty” and that’s 10000% aespa’s influence

[upbeat stream]

Tbh blackpink is a straight ripoff of 2NE1, yg himself would tell you that

[vapid turret]

Hey guys it's been a while I saw the news via google.

What do we do? I feel so sad.

[waxen musk]

We wait for the main trial to progress.

[river sphinx]

the girls have a positive mindset, so should you

don't let it affect you too much

[vapid turret]

I love Danni so much.

In a fan kind of way.

[hoary frost]

Aespa debut and style was very sm tbh. I feel like people only say this because they are 4 members

[waxen musk]

I saw someone summarise a video going over the 16 page court document from the appeal from the HYBE BOY YouTube channel. I haven't read through it myself nor have I had any of the Tokkis I follow say much about it. But just reading through this summary I have so many questions.

[hoary frost]

yg keeps on making the same group over and over

[red thorn]

Clearly hybe supporter just like seoulite but more subtle and persuasive

[waxen musk]

Anyway regardless of what this court document says, this has no influence over the main trial, right?
And I do wonder why the hell there are people out there still obsessed with this stuff when they have no love for NewJeans.

[vale grove]

Do we have a guesstimate for when newjeans may come back if things go well in their favor?

[waxen musk]

I do wonder sometimes if it's good to just have a peek at what these people are saying, because sometimes with the people I follow I wonder if we're being shielded from seeing this stuff and just have it dismissed as it not actually mattering. But it's good to know how the hell some of these ideas get spread.

[waxen musk]

I fucking wish we did. But no. No idea.

I can see anything from a few months to a few years.

[vale grove]

Yeah. I’m gonna be honest, I just sat down and actually listened and watched their mvs for an analysis on the concept and why it worked so well, accidentally ended up crying.

[waxen musk]

Yeah that happened for me with Ditto MV and analysis.

[vale grove]

I haven’t actually sat down and genuinely listened and watched their content in a minute and the feelings just hit me all at once.

[polar owl]

A question - was the appeal rejected just on the basis of submitted documents or there was some kind of hearing?

[waxen musk]

There was no hearing for the appeal.

[red thorn]

I think comes down how the lawyers use it bc it could used as reference in their presentation, how much it could influence judges, who knows

[polar owl]

Dunno, what to say ..

[waxen musk]

I believe that the appeal is primarily to determine if the initial injunction was handled properly and legally, which is technically was, and also if any additional arguments and evidence can be seen to make a major difference in any decisions initially made, which they did not.

They say that what NewJeans presented was not that much different from what they presented months ago. So basically the appeal was always going to fail unless the new evidence and arguments were drastically different and a lot stronger.

I don't think any of us can agree with the assessments made based on all this evidence as we've discussed previously. The appeal document just seems to go over everything that happened back in March once again and in more detail.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on any of this, I wish I was more confident in my understanding.

Now what I'm concerned about is that we have to basically rely on the evidence and arguments NewJeans have already presented and those that we already know about and are public for this long ongoing main lawsuit.

We have to hope the judges come to a different conclusion based on the same facts. It's as simple as that, I think.

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[waxen musk]

I need to go over what the judges said in the main lawsuit so far because all my focus has been on the appeal and I believe the judges are giving some hope in that they are judging things differently from the injunction judges. There are some quotes from these main lawsuit judges saying they have to consider things, at least. Something about trying to understand NewJeans' case because it was unique.

That plus more thorough examination of evidence should help. Things like the infamous Hanni "lying" CCTV footage is just taken as is with no scrutiny and understanding of the facts like we've determined as a community. If more things like that can be properly understood by the judges, instead of just accepting, then of course there's hope.

Anyway I needed to do this yap to sort out my muddled understanding of everything that's going on and to make sure I'm not misunderstanding anything.

[waxen musk]

I hate that I'm hoping for the courts to figure out and present the truth. I don't trust them to. What I fear most is that by the time this wraps up that Hybe will be seen as the ones telling the truth all this time and NewJeans were always lying. It happened after this injunction result but I don't want them to be seen as evil people. I think if something prevents the main lawsuit from reaching a natural conclusion such as a settlement happening, that the truth may not even be determined like I'm hoping for it to be, and that we'll never know who was lying and who wasn't. Of course I trust the girls but ideally I don't want it to be just trust, I want it to be fact. It will affect their future. A future I have great faith in, no matter if it's anytime soon or in 2029.

Don't worry I plan to go out tomorrow. I've been sick for over a week after catching it from my parents and finally feel better now. Too much time inside with all this playing on my mind. You know how I am, having to get it out there for my own sanity. (Makes me seem insane.) And I have so so so so much other shit on my mind other than this, I'm grateful I have a place to at least share this insignificant portion of what's on my mind.

[shadow cloud]

bob so fire nicki minaj is upset

[short laurel]

Cuz they were not hybe group when they debuted.

[shadow cloud]

huh

[short laurel]

Gfriend, svt, nu'est, fromis. Hybe has zero role in their debut n training. Hybe didn't even exist led back then. Their companies used to care about training vocals, too toxic degree. After hybe brought them though things changed. All hybe did for them is give funding n changed training then disbanded 3 of them. Fromis entire time in hybe is in the basement.

[short laurel]

Each "gen" getting shorter n shorter. It's arbitrary thing created by fans anyways. But there are some who things kpop is in 6th gen. 4th gen groups only left their rookie era in reality.

Going by old era from big 3(not hybe) sm n jyp debuted like 2 gg n 2 bg in each "gen"

[red thorn]

Some think kpoo now in 6th? Whew speedrun
I believe we still in 4th emerging to 5th
Agree it's more arbitrary, but not only fans, others like media, critics, etc. and definitely not by the company itself

[short laurel]

Whatever becomes big in fans, companies try to go with it to get the title of 1st x gen group. That why some think kpop is in 6th gen.

[red thorn]

Hm for buzz lol
But in actuality it's more collectively defined not only by fans. For sure, it's still somewhat arbitrary

[hoary frost]

Yea i wouldnt call them hybe groups tbh. Even saw many svt fans asking to be left out of the hybe family mess

[short laurel]

Wth is this about?

[hoary frost]

Looks like they are buying ads for anti njz video

[short laurel]

So much hate that they are using money to hate them

[red thorn]

Weird I saw the channel it seems full education channel but suddenly this lol

[lapis tendon]

almost all of those kpop news channels/video essays are anti njz since the. legal stuff started tbh

[hoary frost]

this isn't a kpop news channel, I just looked at it

[wraith cove]

i hope i wrote this correctly

[wraith cove]

hybe is paying YT SHORTS creators FOR GODS SAKE..

[lapis tendon]

oh for sure lol

[wraith cove]

they paid fregend for a LONG form video and 4 shorts (they do this exact ammount with another channel called kpoppop77 too(

[lapis tendon]

the hybe bots on twitter weird me out bc wdym you only have 2 followers but are getting viral anti njz/mhj tweets outta nowhere lol

[wraith cove]

media play

그들은 항상 이런 멍청한 짓을 해. literally smh

[hoary frost]

Don't think u should click on this vid or give interaction

[wraith cove]

i derailed it and spoofed it

[red thorn]

People gonna think it's harmless educational info like doyouram

[river inlet]

idk why ive not seen a single shred of empathy for the girls and always needless bullying

just trying to find plain informational summary vids is impossible without people namecalling

[lapis tendon]

definitely. and definitely annoying as a fan and all

[red thorn]

They're against company which is given they have pr and crisis management resource, so they're more in control to feed narrative to public
I guess people more silently support them on internet

[lapis tendon]

and people in the industry/other idols def support them too but anonymously^

[hoary frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/phamhanni1006/status/1935692123183161426

파마니 (@phamhanni1006)

다니가 보여준 전광판

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx • Media 1/2 · Jun 19, 2025, 1:32 PM

[stable escarp]

A lil off-topic but I js want to say that I hope Hanni and her family are safe, especially when visiting Vietnam. I saw a slideshow following a tiktok trend and the topic was on Vietnam with Hanni as the last (#1) slide. The comments were genuinely disgusting. I knew a minority in the Viet community were like that due to 20th century shit and propaganda but being shameless about it in a world where technology grants you endless communication and access to information just seems otherworldly - plain ignorance. At the very least, the mature and more so older generation have factual and reasonable views. I don't want to get too deep into it but wish her safety and to pay no mind to negativity/disillusions.

[copper current]

When evil people do bad things they think they are slick and cool cool cool and laughing on others’ pains but they don’t know that the more bad deeds they are doing, the bigger the evil ghosts that are created by them will grow and will haunt them back and suck their souls. I watched many anime in which cases like this are depicted. The more bad deeds you are doing, the bigger the evil haunting you become. Time will answer for everything and NJZ says that let’s time answers for everything

[craggy skiff]

No need to worry — the last time she returned to Vietnam, everything was just fine.
It's the quiet dogs that bite; the ones who bark online are all talk.
They don’t actually dare to mess with her — especially since she now holds foreign citizenship and is a public figure.
Damn it, I hate how the authorities silently allow hatred and discrimination against a regime that died half a century ago.
Teenagers are being indoctrinated with blind hatred, unable to tell what’s right and what’s wrong.

[stable escarp]

Yeah at least its only a small minority I think. As long as she doesn't stray into specific streets and neighbourhoods, she'll be alright. If she went into my town, we would 100% open arms for her (north or south, it doesn't matter). But if she were to go to one of my friends towns... Lets just hope she never visits those areas.

[old cypress]

I remember this account, they were translating hate comments

#1231839760759263232 message

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there's even some random ass account translating hate comments
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[hoary frost]

That's so weird, this account mostly gets views for their educational, non kpop related content

I don't think this account has any other recent kpop related content at a quick glance..?

oh it does, still ewird

[short laurel]

Isn't it obvious. Either account owner is incel korean whp hates njz or paid by hybe to hate on njz

[hoary frost]

still this sort of video doesn't fit into their normal content

[hoary frost]

But the thing about buying ads. Would someone who's not paid really go that far

and going around translating hate comments...?

[short laurel]

Paid by hybe then

[short laurel]

This part is the reason one of my guess is owner being incel.

[hoary frost]

they dont seem to have any other content like this on their channel though. Which is weird

[short laurel]

Exactly. To put something unrelated to their channel means they might be paid to do so.

[hoary frost]

They have some kpop related stuff. But nothing like news reporting or giving opinoins on kpop groups. More like auditioning

[red thorn]

Yeah seems still edu/docu

The purpose of their NJ content no different from ljh, seoulite, hybe boy

[hoary frost]

i think they must have been paid

[old cypress]

it's weird that the owner is willing to risk her business to hate on njz

maybe she believes that njz winning will cause the fall of kpop

[short laurel]

Then i hope kpop really does fall since these ppl believe that kpop exist cuz of all this toxicity

[red thorn]

Paid content to feed kpop content creators that benefit from this feud news for their content

Click go brrrr

[old cypress]

this doesn't explain them translating hate comments on other videos

plus if they wanted clicks they could cover most kpop issues

kpop has been eventful lately

[red thorn]

Nah I mean not for the channel, for other kpop content creators

[hoary frost]

paid campaign maybe

its just too weird

[old cypress]

by hybe? surely there are better outlets to use rather than this one

[hoary frost]

maybe also paying others

[red thorn]

Obv no way to prove, but can't rule out the possibility

[hoary frost]

they are getting ads, account mostly unrelated, shifting type content channel, randomly translating on the company account

or maybe njz just pissed off someone there that bad ...but i think this is less likely

[short laurel]

C if they posted anything bad about iu. Then the account owner should be red side guy

[hoary frost]

no

[short laurel]

Or it is one of hybe's maid

[hoary frost]

this is also clearly not 2 get clicks in a content farm way...its specific

which is why im saying paid campaign

[river sphinx]

😭 People have no hope left

[bronze jetty]

well the first account is a set up account

[hoary frost]

am looking into this

[river sphinx]

Which one? Miuawu

[bronze jetty]

yeah, i’ve have them blocked since get up era

[red thorn]

looks at their latest yt content
Well that's weird lol

[river sphinx]

oh I had no idea xd I don’t really follow that many fan accounts unless they post translations and positive stuff as many just seek fights

[bronze jetty]

the second account in the ss has said the girls should go back

[river sphinx]

Oh hell nah 💀

[short laurel]

Report them to lia

[bronze jetty]

lia? the other set up account? 😭

[short laurel]

Lia is not setup account. She supports njz. Just she's toxic to non bunnies N bunnies who support ador

[flint stone]

https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1936035375245672868?t=GcqTKD959K-5DhPCF3kYFw&s=19 i think it's mustread

[hoary frost]

She should be more toxic to the antis. the harassment towards njz is getting too far

[short laurel]

That's why report these accounts to her 😅

[hoary frost]

somebody made some 2 hour video on "njz downfall"

[river sphinx]

Whatever pays the bills

[honest sky]

Wat if I made a clickbait video of newjeans hate but its actl I feel coke on repeat

But I change my channel name everytime I post so people gets tricked several times

[hoary frost]

shouldnt ador be taking action like they said they were going to do

[river sphinx]

it’s crazy how they claim they will defend the girls yet refuse to do anything about misinformation- oh yh its bc it actually benefits them and they don’t give a shit if anything they’re probably behind it all lmao

[raven kelp]

go go go

[wraith cove]

HYBE PAYMENT ABBYYY

[empty halo]

do it.
"NEWJEANS HANNI'S SEVERAL LIES IN COURT."
"NEWJEANS DISRESPECT BTS???"
"MIN HEEJIN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR COUP BY PRESIDENT YOON IN SOUTH KOREA?"
I feel Coke

[wraith cove]

i made a video talkin about gllit toxicity and then i got a suicide threat from a gllit..

[empty halo]

a WHAT

[wraith cove]

they told me they will mentally bully me to suicide

[empty halo]

hope you turned your comments off bc that is absolutely insane

[wraith cove]

it was in insta dms but i DEF deleted the vid

[short laurel]

So they proved your point. N u have proof of it. Go ahead share it online

[empty halo]

yikes

[short laurel]

Whenever they say something to u.share it online. Let everyone c who is the toxic one.

[empty halo]

yknow what creating clickbait njz hate videos sounds like rlly easy money. make a fake title, people click on it bc they hate mhdhh and the video is just the pit stop performance

business idea

[honest sky]

I know

[short laurel]

Smart but it's not ethical to use hate girls getting for your gain.

[honest sky]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/948918104866574366/1384539427807821915/monke.gif

I think ragebaiting haters is pretty watermelon

[wraith cove]

thing is i did but uhh "photoshopped"

[short laurel]

Aah ofc i forgot how hypocritical they are

[waxen musk]

I went out today like I said I would. Saw Dani and Minji. Dani was a surprise. But seriously, I can't avoid them even if I wanted to!

[upbeat stream]

You saw Dani and Minji? Where?

[waxen musk]

#newjeans-chat message

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I saw Dani and Minji today.
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[polar owl]

....A poem for NJ by ChatGPT....

"To NewJeans, With Light"

In a world that sells dreams, but silences cries,
You dared to stand, not bend to the lies.
They crowned you stars, then clipped your wings,
Feared your truth, your voice, your spring.

You danced with joy, with fire, with grace,
Unaware they'd shame you for your place.
They called it pride, called it a phase,
When all you asked was honest space.

But history listens to hearts that break,
To girls who rise, though all's at stake.
Your fight is more than music charts —
It’s for young souls with brave, soft hearts.

Hold fast, NewJeans — you are not alone,
In every tokki, your courage has grown.
You aren't entitled — you're simply free —
And that’s what terrifies authority.

[river sphinx]

Can anyone recommend twitter accounts that aren’t involved in drama 24/7

[bronze talon]

https://x.com/allabouthyein / https://x.com/pictureshyein
https://x.com/haerinfeed
https://x.com/daniellepicsx
https://x.com/hannihourly
https://x.com/minji_loops

hyein (@allabouthyein) on X

fan account for hyein #혜인

X

hyein pics (@pictureshyein) on X

for NJZ’s hyein

X

h. (@haerinfeed) on X

for NJZ's haerin

X

danielle pics (@daniellepicsx) on X

dedicated to NJZ’s #다니엘 🐶 | fan account

X

hanni (@hannihourly) on X

fan account for HANNI

X

[river sphinx]

thank you

[bronze talon]

np

[waxen musk]

1tokki gives me way too much copium: https://x.com/juantokki/status/1936152483287777556

1tokki (@juantokki)

Whether the girls had stayed a little longer or not, it likely wouldn’t have made much of a difference. Injunction courts don’t make decisions based on subjective notions of trust or emotional perceptions. They focus on whether there’s a clear and immediate legal breach that is

X · Jun 20, 2025, 8:01 PM

[lapis tendon]

That’s the one that said the girls got a 99% chance of winning right lmaooo

Optimism is good but be fr

[bronze jetty]

no, that was poppy 😭

[ivory sage]

okay so yall, its been so long since i even was updated about the njz topic, im here listening to how sweet downloaded (not by spotify bc yeah no money for hybe but lets put that aside,) I NEED UPDATES

PLEASE

[wraith cove]

my reaction to this information https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/128521236970995712/1385760035212361818/garcfull.png?ex=68573d1a&is=6855eb9a&hm=f13d29a3b9c793c6ad401673ec4a1251b0719364319a628fb3bf407a8d864cf4&

[novel fiber]

why is ador taunting us with their vid releases? they hate njz and tokkis sm

[red thorn]

It will give the narrative for people who don't really follow the news that they back to Ador

[lapis tendon]

You already know they’re probably gonna release merch and content for their third anniversary and then play in their face during the hearing the next day 🫩

Almost feels like they’re taunting them lmao smh

[ivory sage]

THIS IS NOT AN UPDATE YALL OMG

[ivory sage]

Oh.

Well yikes, guess this is byebye, i mean im still w em but yeah..

[wraith cove]

dw EVEN if they lose theyll pay court and come back

[stuck roost]

ts fuckass judge boutta make them pay 8 quadrillion dollars💔💔

[waxen musk]

Nah, I don't think so. And yeah I still have hope. But when I see 1tokki giving so much copium with giving even a tiny bit of expectation that the injunction could be revoked even after the next hearing in July, then I think that's when the copium supply needs cutting down a bit. It would be nice though!

[wraith cove]

dw theyll open a kickstarter and then use all the donations on blunts (fnf refrence)

[honest sky]

UR KILLING MEO

[bronze jetty]

nah, that was poppy who said that 😭 the 99% chance

[waxen musk]

I don't remember seeing anyone say that about the injunction to be honest. However, many people I follow have shown a lot of confidence about the main lawsuit. I start feeling like I shouldn't have the same level of confidence after the injunction. But what I won't lose is hope and trust in the girls.

[stuck roost]

Why did i get clipped gng💔💔💔

js slide it in atp💔💔

wasnt gonna drink tonight but i miss newjeans like a mf😔✊

[short laurel]

Did someone translate full report?

Cuz mhj raising issue= ador did duty doesn't seem right decision by judge. As if they missed the entire point

[honest sky]

Ur actl frying me

Plz stop

[clear hill]

There’s clearly a pattern with Hybe groups that were not controlled by Hybe.I don’t know why ppl treat njz’s case as an isolated incident as if the same thing wouldn’t have happened to gfriend if they were more outspoken and bold about their mistreatment.

[clear hill]

Where can I see the full report?

[short laurel]

Somewhere here way above

[short laurel]

This one #1231839760759263232 message

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Message linked

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appeal verdict
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[stable escarp]

Wait did something happen after the appeal?

[polar owl]

Appeal was not accepted

[copper current]

Most of hybe songs that I hear recently are so heavy auto tuned that make my ears bleed, like I want to hear real humans' voice instead of all sound effects and then all drums and then auto tunes etc to cover their idols' bad singing skills. Look at NJZ's songs. All of the members' voice are clear, no auto tunes. That is real art and real songs. Auto tuned can make bad voice sound good but the voice is like produced for robots and not humans. I don't want to turn into robots.

[sage fulcrum]

Miss the Yui, hope they all right

[river inlet]

theres definitely autotune on them, but thats not a bad thing. idk why people are so dumb about autotune. its just a standard thing in music production bro

i guarantee most kpop songs you like also have autotune. its just a tool

[mellow jackal]

[waxen musk]

There’s a level of such incredible layering in the vocals of NewJeans’ songs that I just rarely hear in other music in general, not just K-pop that is one of my favourite aspects of their songs. Unfortunately a lot of it is lost in lower quality streams but once you know what to listen for, you can notice it even on Spotify.

[stuck roost]

Yall actin like i would let this happen😭✌️

[honest sky]

Ur cooking me frying me killing me stop plz

I hate it when people are funnier than me

[stuck roost]

Light work for a guy like me

[vale grove]

Guys we should just hire a chaebol fan to pay for newjeans contracts

[stuck roost]

yea light work for a guy like me

[vale grove]

Okay pay up buddy because I miss them 😭

[upbeat stream]

One thing I've noticed, even though activity is way down on r/newjeans, obviously because there is much less to post or talk about, engagement isn't. There's a post from 4 days ago talking about how newjeans is still everywhere in Korea with 1.8k upvotes and I'm like, where are these people coming from? Dani on omega got 1.1k upvotes. Ours is still, somehow, one of the biggest gg subreddits, with better engagement than most

On tokkis' worst platform too. The only explanation is that newjeans has a lot of fans who don't care much about kpop in general, since I never see any presence of tokkis on kpop subs

[copper current]

you shouldn't treat yourselves badly by accepting autotunes. that is your opinion but for me, I don't accept that. I watched clip of someone who sang before and after autotune and it is unacceptable. This is deceiving and I hate untalented people become successful by cheating because that is the case of Bang PD. That person knows he is not talented and he used all kinds of evil methods to trample on other people to prove he is a genius and prove his ego. Deep down he knows how much he is worth so he tried his best to shoot down talented people because of jealousy.

[copper current]

I can't be on reddit. They ban me the moment I mentioned NJZ. Hybe bots control reddit. That is why you don't see tokkis. I left reddit long time ago.

[copper current]

Supernatural is so good. I saw many good dance covers as well by Chinese tokkis. The chorus is good . That song is a masterpiece.

[waxen musk]

Yeah Tokkis just gave up a long time ago. We can't share how we feel, or present information that goes against what they believe. It's so sad how we just gave up and let them have their way. But it's a numbers game, we technically can't even win even if we try because there are more against, downvoting for example, then Tokkis that even exist in total.

[red thorn]

If you really think we use 0% auto tune, that's naive

[waxen musk]

The perception of how K-pop singers sing is so obscured and skewed from reality. Even I don't have a full grasp on all the technologies involved that can make singing sound better or worse. All I know is when I attended Bunnies Camp Tokyo Dome, it sounded great and the recording is some of the best sounding. And then you have times where they were dancing and singing at the same time and it doesn't sound "good" to my ears. And then you have the girls singing live through Phoning or IG and it sounding great, and you know that's REAL. So I think it's really hard to judge a lot of times because I don't think most people know how the sound engineers set things up, things like live autotune, backtrack with differing levels of volume, etc. I don't know if I've ever heard or know that any singing WITH dancing has ever been done live with absolutely zero alterations. I don't think it exists.

Also I mentioned the layering of vocals in NewJeans songs sounding incredible, but it's never going to be physically possible when singing live.

By the way I've rarely ever preferred how things sound on weekly music shows. It always sounds off to me. And my understanding is everything is set up so quickly and because they have to go through so many acts in a certain time. And each act has a few takes only. Some takes and spliced together with other takes, meaning that one time you see them actually singing and then the next camera cut they're lip syncing. It's weird. And people LOVE to praise or hate singing on music shows. I think that's the least reliable way to judge singing. There's a lot of ignorance out there. This is everything I've learned, and there's so much more I haven't learned or know about with live production.

It does interest me though, it's just that resources to properly learn how this is done seem a bit like there might be a lot of industry secrets they don't like to share.

[upbeat stream]

Yeah but it's still interesting how much engagement we can get on r/newjeans, despite all the hate

[river inlet]

its not an opinion, youre just kidding yourself. this is like saying doing math with a calculator is cheating. its literally just standard practice, about on the same level as using an equalizer.

it doesnt reflect badly on the girls skill to say they use autotune- thats where ur just being naive

pitch correction and EQ and any plugin can sound bad for sure. but why does it have to be some moral thing? you can say "i dislike how the producers use pitch correction here" not "autotune is evil" and then you wouldnt have to lie and say NJZ dont use autotune lol

[clear hill]

Just because there’s auto tune being used doesn’t mean they’re not talented. It’s just standard in music production. And just because you can’t detect it doesn’t mean there’s no auto tune

[hoary frost]

It is a bad thing when it sounds very obvious. alot of their songs are unlistenable to me because of this

this is a hybe specific style

[river inlet]

i agree it is bad when its obvious. who do u mean by "they" btw

[hoary frost]

I don't think their ggs do it as much. but their bgs do

[hoary frost]

enhypen txt bts english songs...very heavily autotuned

[river inlet]

ah, i dont listen to bgs tbh so i wouldnt know but i wouldnt doubt it

[hoary frost]

yeah their ggs don't really have this issue I realized. they don't have that weird robotic sounding filter

[river inlet]

also i guess a correction, if it doesnt suit the style to be obvious - some music uses pitch snapping stylistically

[lapis tendon]

i avoid talking about njz on reddit because I made the mistake of looking at kpop uncensored and it was a damn mess

[bronze jetty]

yeah, r/kpop_uncensored became the defacto place when the r/kpop megathread would be locked

[lapis tendon]

too many people on there + twitter think MHJ is some type of puppet master that's behind every bad thing that happens in kpop 😭 they give her too much credit lmfao

[bronze jetty]

the r/kpop megathread had to get locked cuz too many people thought mhj and the girls were the reason why korea went under martial law 😭

[lapis tendon]

LMFAOOOO

recently when that bts member said he got insomnia while in the military and people blamed it on MHJ and the girls 😭 😭 😭

[river inlet]

wtf

[vale grove]

I mean, most K-pop fans know companies choose based off of visual and dancing ability and not necessarily vocal talent (since these are things they can cover with auto tune and also train them for) but at least we can all agree newjeans isn’t that case. They are gorgeous and vocally unique . With most groups we can accept the lack of amazing vocal performance since most groups aren’t “vocal focused groups” and more just “performance focused groups”

which is perfectly fine!

[vale grove]

LMFAOOOOOOOOO THIS IS SO ????

[empty halo]

?????????
how do you even come to that conclusion

what connection can these things even possibly have

[vale grove]

Newjeans impact on korean society guys they cause everything that happens in Korea you know?!

[hoary frost]

kpop fans thinking that country revolves arounds kpop

[empty halo]

THIS. They can't comprehend that anything apart from kpop and kdramas goes on in Korea. They dont understand the country's politics and see it as weapons to fight stan wars, not yknow actual politics that affects lives.

but what sort of connection could you seriously draw bw mhj and the martial law??? this is schizophrenia

[short laurel]

There's a difference between decent autotune n heavy autotune. Music industry worldwide starting to go lil too heavy in autotune.

[hoary frost]

for hybe groups, I think it's a stylistic choice. I just don't know why they think its good?

I heard that hybe producer has an affinity for higher pitched songs. So maybe that's why I hear this strange quality on the bg songs only

[red thorn]

Indeed there's stylistic/aesthetic use of auto tune, which they make them obvious it's auto tune

[short laurel]

Hybe producer u mean bsh?

[hoary frost]

no one of their in house producers

Maybe they use it to make their bgs sound higher pitched but it ends up sounding weird

[short laurel]

Ppl selected by bsh to Only show beh taste n give credit to bsh fir any success

[short laurel]

Mhj caused every disaster in the world

[short laurel]

Soon they'll throw in some "AI". Just watch

[hoary frost]

yep i am thinking the same

I heard they made some sort of ai music before, is that true...?

[short laurel]

That song which they released in multiple languages. Was with ai

"Masquerade" by singer MIDNATT

Hybe IM was very involved in it.

[hoary frost]

Ok i see, looks like they used ai for the different languages it was in?

[short laurel]

Yea

[clear hill]

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSkvdP1qe/ kinda toxic warning but... he didn’t lie lol

[river inlet]

its not really the fact that autotune is present or heavy that makes something sound bad, because most kpop music has that despite not being noticed by people. it is not noticed because it is well done, not necessarily because there is less of it. thats the main misconception. "decent" and "heavy" are not opposites

i understand what you are trying to say though