NJZ Updates and Discussion

[hollow sorrel]

I remember that, it was a different Nayeon Kim

[waxen musk]

Anyway at least with the KKT messages, we know that's literally ALL they have, if they keep bringing it up over and over again. Seems like there's nothing else to worry about?

[short laurel]

If it's same nayeon kim at ador, shame on ber. If it's bethiefs nayeon kim. Then well we know that they are shameless

[hollow sorrel]

ADOR's Nayeon Kim is probably under a contract with ADOR unlike yellz or blackq (and other people who already left)

That's probably why she still made the birthday posts for the girls and this too.

[waxen musk]

I won't lie, it looks like ADOR's Nayeon Kim's style.
But knowing BELIFT's employees, they're good at imitation.

[short laurel]

Ok. If that's the case then i can understand

[hollow sorrel]

let's not blame her since everyone has to make a living somehow

[waxen musk]

You can definitely blame people for working in shitty places "just to make a living".

[upbeat stream]

This is the list of her recent works. We'll see if the ador audition stuff appears on it eventually

[short laurel]

Being bound by contract in a company that's same only in name but is under mafia rule. It's scary

[hollow sorrel]

Not if she's under a contract and has no reason to quit

[hushed whale]

how sweet album credits

[waxen musk]

Under contract, yes I agree. "Just to make a living", I disagree.

How quickly the topic changes. (This is their plan.)

[old cypress]

Most employees can resign i don't think it's any different for them

[waxen musk]

I'm wondering would they have had any work under ADOR any time recently? Or were they "brought back"? (We don't know.)

[upbeat stream]

And Nayeon Kim in particular is a very big name in the industry, would have no trouble finding work elsewhere. I don't mind the employees who are less popular sticking with ador

[hushed whale]

ye it could be like freelance thing, not full time job

[hollow sorrel]

this could be old work as well

recently Nayeon Kim made the birthday posts for each girl, but that could also be older work we don't know if these are prepared in advance

[waxen musk]

I also wondered about things like non-compete clauses in the past.

[old cypress]

the video could've been made before njz left, too

[waxen musk]

I mean... it looks exactly like what you'd expect from old ADOR.

If Hybe has gotten this good at imitation (it's not), I'm scared.

[upbeat stream]

I'm not fully convinced it's her tbh. She always posts her work on ig, and she hasn't this time. I guess we'll know if she does or doesn't within the next few days

[waxen musk]

Maybe she doesn't want to promote it.

[hollow sorrel]

all we know is that 250 and FRNK, BlackQ, yellz and everyone else who made og ADOR and NewJeans brand are unlikely to agree to be on this bg project

even if a few creative designers stay there, it won't get them anywhere in the long run

[waxen musk]

We really don't know enough. But people gonna worry about people staying behind and what that implies anyway. I'm just hoping it's an old video.

[red thorn]

Looking at connection probably it's ador nayeon kim but still 🤷🏼

[short laurel]

Remember mhj was working on bg. Hybe made her work on it. So video could be from that time.

[hollow sorrel]

http://adoraudition.world

the website looks like HYBE-slop

[lucid yarrow]

who cares if u like its fine but i have no reason to care about it anymore

[craggy skiff]

well. even if she is the old ador nayeon kim, I won't give any complain.
If she willing to work under this kind of work environment, then she stay
Not a big deal
I dont give af about ador, bsh, hybe, this or that group, they can do anything they want as long as they don't messing with the girl

[hollow sorrel]

also don't you guys think it's strange that it came out on the trial date? obv. it could be a coincidence but still

[waxen musk]

Even if you don't care, it's gonna be impossible not to keep an eye on it and have everyone yap about it until the end of time. I'm very defeatist when it comes to people not wanting to talk about these topics (or give them "promo").

[upbeat stream]

I wonder who worked on the graphic design of their njz concept. We never got credits

[old cypress]

people are probably going to say that kim nayeon created newjeans not mhj lol

[hollow sorrel]

what graphic design?

[upbeat stream]

The only thing we know is that gigi wrote pit stop which is hardly surprising, given they have written every newjeans song

[upbeat stream]

The complexcon concept, logos and stuff

[waxen musk]

Is that confirmed confirmed? Or we just assuming that based on updated music crediting websites (that anyone can update apparently)?

[upbeat stream]

No, If I remember right, they posted about it on social media

[hollow sorrel]

yeah anyone can edit GENIUS metadata, I saw some people say that Minji also helped write it but we don't know

[waxen musk]

Oh I didn't see that!

[upbeat stream]

I remember @/tokkiloops on twt posted about it, but I can't bother to find it now

[waxen musk]

Yeah all I saw was a screenshot of one of those crediting websites, which I don't trust.

[upbeat stream]

Well there we go

[lucid yarrow]

lol content

[old cypress]

she's promoting the audition so prob not an old video either

[waxen musk]

Says "new"

[old cypress]

no the messages are from donkeysoo

[waxen musk]

NK is still promoting it and saying it's "new" work, so what's the difference

[old cypress]

i mean everything is new from their pov, it's their latest work

in any case she's promoting the audition so it's likely she's at ador and handling the new group

[hollow sorrel]

the main reason I think it's an older video is that the website is complete minimalistic white garbage and I remember the old ADOR also made the websites really well

however the staff under the video are more non-ador people than ador people so idk

[old cypress]

the website and the video are two completely different things

[waxen musk]

I don't like what it implies, even if we don't know the full story.

*creators and artists

There's a lot of them at Hybe. And they consistently put out a lot of work that gets a lot of visibility. Like I said, it's still a "desirable" place to work... somehow.

[old cypress]

I don't like doing this kind of thing but kim nayeon isn't following choi yumi and min heejin on IG, and choi yumi isn't following kim nayeon either

[waxen musk]

lol imagine NK working with NJZ and ADOR at the same time somehow

[hollow sorrel]

https://youtu.be/d9W4H3UBGXE

I feel like she might just have some kind of contract for the boy group specifically but not sure how these work

[waxen musk]

We can speculate all we want.

[old cypress]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DI34WpPzf_h/

n.a.y.e.o.n.k

𝐓𝐇𝐄 𝐆𝐈𝐑𝐋 𝐅𝐑𝐎𝐌 𝐇𝐀𝐘𝐀𝐌𝐀

𝒯𝒽𝑒 𝒢𝒾𝓇𝓁 Serena Motola @sereeeenam

𝒞𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓉𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝒟𝒾𝓇𝑒𝒸𝓉𝑜𝓇 Nayeon Kim @n.a.y.e.o.n.k, Yumi Choi @choiyumi___
𝒞𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓉𝒾𝓋𝑒 𝒞𝑜𝓃𝓈𝓊𝓁𝓉𝒶𝓃𝓉 Shun Watanabe @shun_watanab...

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she worked with choi yumi recently so who knows

[waxen musk]

This is a wait and see situation.

[hollow sorrel]

anyway even if this project goes through let's be honest it will just be your typical hybe group with some og ador packaging

[hollow sorrel]

exactly

[waxen musk]

(literally everything is a wait and see situation tbh )

[old cypress]

I don't think she's under a contract since she's been doing things outside of hybe

[waxen musk]

MhJ mAdE NaygON KIM woRK wiTH ADOR to BE a SPy

[hollow sorrel]

also this is just 2nd round of auditions like we will only see where this group goes in a good ~1,5-2 years if ADOR doesn't file for bankruptcy by then

[waxen musk]

I like NK's work. I would prefer everyone who made NewJeans what NewJeans was worked with NJZ. That's an unrealistic expectation. Similar to how people really hope (more than anything) that 250 and FRNK work with NJZ and be their SOLE producers. I don't want to be limited to what we've had before. I welcome change. But it's tough in the K-pop fandom, people complain if things change and people complain if things stay the same.

[waxen musk]

Watch them be rushed into a new group when they aren't ready. That's never happened before. /s

[red thorn]

Yeah she had her finger prints basically all over NJ visual media
MHJ disciple and one of the mhj task force along with 2 og ador executives

[hushed whale]

[old cypress]

oof the komca

[short laurel]

Regardless. It's pity to c talented people working under criminal company hybe.

[copper jetty]

I'm concerned with all the creatives there since Hybe can literally do what they did to mhj and that other person to them. I think the key is to not become more famous than bsh and you'd be safe then.

[old cypress]

working at/for a big 4 is still a good way to make yourself known and build connections

and most are not really in a position where they can afford saying no to money

[red thorn]

It's a career opportunity

[short laurel]

N give credits of success to bsh

[storm warren]

whats there to be concerned about? they do their job and get paid. those who remain are in good graces of current management. they will be fine

[copper jetty]

like if you get too big and they can't control you anymore then they just throw you out. yeah.

[storm warren]

they wont get big. its not like they give shares to creatives or make them executives.

[old cypress]

work conditions are bad but it's probably the same elsewhere in the industry

[red thorn]

Anyway I just realized jeans zine+ was today
Content bombardment from ador today huh

[copper jetty]

video already uploaded in the njz chat if you guys want to watch it

please don't watch it on Ador's YT.

[red thorn]

They've been in collaboration with top tier japanese creative director and studio for their brand films
It's worth to make bts behind its process

||my cynical thinking it's form of revenge to uncle Shin's rejection||

[old cypress]

it's always good to hear from the people who come up with ideas since they usually get very little credit

but I think most don't really want to be under the spotlight considering how crazy and entitled fans can be. We've seen too many fans harassing stylists for stupid reasons

It's probably not happening to kpop since its core business relies on fans making irrational purchases

[nova sundial]

guys hypothetically if njz loses the upcoming courts and will still be bound to hybe should we byct hybe in total, including the other bands too?

[old cypress]

if they lose they might pay the penalty and leave formally

[nova sundial]

and if they cant?

yeah but a bocctt as long as they're binded then? cus thats what i think i would do

right but its still under their administration and if it means to bct bts, txt, le sserafim etc i would still do it

i dont believe that they weren't aware of what happend to the girls

[old cypress]

you can but most won't since most stan at least one hybe idol

[nova sundial]

yeah i get that, i'd still want to do my part tho, more of a moral battle really considering how much revenue they bring in

[old cypress]

I'm also not giving money to hybe anymore but i perfectly understand if people want to support hybe groups because they don't want their idols to flop or whatever

[nova sundial]

yeah that too, i understand people want to support them. its a totally different case when thinking back on Loona, considering BBC didnt really have any big others like hybe does

[old cypress]

what happened?

oh kim nayeon lol

[nova sundial]

what i said yeah

[subtle matrix]

My understanding is that if the court determines that the unilateral termination isn't legal but the relationship is damaged beyond repair, they could set a penalty much lower than the absurd amount established by the contract

[nova sundial]

Though thats only if the judging power would be unbiased which is rarely is in korea, (that i know of)

[empty halo]

seems like Nayeon Kims continuing to work w ADOR, a bit disappointing but okay

could it be an older video tho? I hope she left

[hoary frost]

Comments lol

It's like they're asking for the group to be a target

Really dumb

[hushed whale]

i mean it got uploaded to hybe's channel lol, lot of hybe stans

[hoary frost]

It's like they want the group to be under njz shadow tho

[opaque flicker]

[sudden tangle]

me when i go crazy

[opaque flicker]

no cause waddahell

[stable escarp]

[hoary frost]

lol

[old cypress]

unlikely because she's promoting the audition itself on her instagram

[empty halo]

[fierce cloak]

well could be she want to continue working with the boygroup

not everyone bound loyalty to mhj nor njz
it's a bit diappointing but understandable, life is hard

[polar owl]

Ador still posting Jean's Zine? 🤔

[wraith cove]

It's not that deep dawg it's just a way to make someone feel like they need you, mhj herself is confused and doesn't understand the harm she's doing. Neither njz nor illit deserve to be in the situation.

And hybe (ceo) and mhj both are in the wrong for this situation.

It's just 2 groups of young innocent girls are being blamed for things that they hadn't done. It's literally unfair.

[polar owl]

MHJ is fighting to defend herself against Hybe’s attacks — she didn’t force the girls into anything. They chose their path because they trust her more from the very beginning given how Hybe has been sidelining them...

From Day 1

[wraith cove]

I told u hybe is more wrong than either party cuz mhj doesn't intend or know that she's damaging stuff

Hybe wanted to pu njz out of the spotlight for money

[old cypress]

the classic "the adults are fighting and the kids are suffering from it"

[wraith cove]

You man cannot read the fact that me lot said on clear that MHJ is a victim but she's also endangering the NJZ franchise without meaning to

But you lot don't like reading anything Abt mhj even tho I clearly stated that she is a victim

Mental health yes. And economical attribution

And hybe isn't a fair condition especially if MHJ calls them fat constantly with full proof.

And the hybe ceo despises newjeans for no reason

The amount of money he gained from them is insane and they were constantly nice to him yet he keeps making them suffer for no reason, I hate that dumb fat guy. And what the heck does Kim nayeon have to do with anything lot

[empty halo]

people are disappointed in Kim Nayeon for continuing to work w ADOR despite being a big name in the industry and them harassing all her colleagues and pushing them out of the label. I mean its not a big deal its a job after all but I understand the disappointment.

cant judge her too much tbh bc almost every label in kpop is horrible and probably treat their employees like shit, doesnt mean u go after all their creatives for being employed there

[wraith cove]

500000%

[empty halo]

she may be under a contract, idk and idc

[wraith cove]

Literally they mistreated mhj into getting mentally pressured and now she and the girls are getting pressured for shi they hadn't done

[wraith cove]

I've seen Kim in the court case law Fine before when I was in sk and she was shitting herself

[short laurel]

Mhj may have damaged njz. She may have not. Truth is we don't really know what happened behind the scenes.
She's a human after all, everyone makes mistakes. Mhj could've handled things better but think about it, the amount of media attack she got last year august was insane. After all that plus hybe consistent attacks. N she's fighting that behind the scenes for years n 1 year in public. We can't expect her to be perfect in handling things. One thing is clear though that hybe hates njz n mhj.

[empty halo]

oh
interesting

she probably does NOT wanna get into the legal trouble mhj and mhdhh are in rn and I understand that

[wraith cove]

She's literally goated at everything, she's a genius.She Literally produced prime red velvet. Yet hybe just cares about the small success stories for ego accomplishment

[wraith cove]

What's up with the mhdhh name on newjeans account btw?

Maybe you just misunderstood them?

[short laurel]

The way she n njz are handling this is already way better than most of humans would do.

[wraith cove]

Yeah sorry I should've worded it better

[short laurel]

Girls names initials

[wraith cove]

Oh yeah actually thx

[short laurel]

Oldest to youngest

[empty halo]

mhdhh = initials of the members names
the court ruled in favour of ador in the injunction and so njz CANNOT do independent activities under a new name which includes social media promotions. they have filed an objection to this, but for the time being theyve gone inactive to respect the courts decision, removed the name njz and deleted their posts

[wraith cove]

One thing that wasn't revealed on YouTube or any social media is a document showing very odd sentences said by hybe employees and the CEO himself being very weird aswell

Like REALLY weird stuff. Including talk about "fruits and cookies" and stuff like that

[short laurel]

Easy to comment from safe place

[wraith cove]

You might find these documents somewhere on the net but I only saw them on the live court case when they had the public Documentary out for everyone to see in the area.

[wraith cove]

Thing I hate the most is the involvement of fans adding more media pressure to both sides. (Njz and illit) I hate hybe and all their companies.

With that logic "hybe" should've done a LOT more better at handling the case.

[short laurel]

Hybe has done poor job with their every gg involved in drama since it's bighit days

It wasn't even supposed to be public

[wraith cove]

mhj wouldn't have been kicked off for no reason. And the entire situation would've not happened. And we probably could see the girls laughing and jumping around in some new songs and new vlogs while everyone is happy discovering it. And waiting for the next April fool's discord change.

And hybe DIDNT bring up ANYTHING weird about them.

There is a very high chance and a big feeling inside of all of us that this will all be resolved and we'll be back better than ever. But the Korean middle aged men never shut up about controversy.

Dude look at the message I responded to I'm literally agreeing with your statement and you're literally trying to argue with me

It's fine, all hybe does is make people against them look weird

Btw MHJ discoursed a lot of Odd claims like the ones where they said she used to be a child... With full proof and yet people don't believe her in this situation.

[hoary frost]

What does this mean

[vale grove]

Allegations of predatory behavior were put out by international fans with questionable evidence to back up these claims

[hoary frost]

Oh ok

[clear hill]

I thought all og ador staff left? There’s still some they stayed?🥴

This just further proves my theory on how Hybe is the shein of the k pop industry. Just mass manufacturing slop covered in heavy fan service to keep the already stimulated and biggest money ready fans stimulated.

[subtle matrix]

Good time to remember that most people who work at ador aren't receiving billions of won a year and consequently can't just leave their jobs out of nowhere

That comment was a bit out of touch tbh

[clear hill]

The bottom comment?I wasn’t even referring to the og ador staff that stayed, I was referring to the bg auditions teaser.

[subtle matrix]

Just the top comment then, if the bottom one is unrelated

Of course some ador staff remained, probably most of them did

[clear hill]

Well I was under the assumption that most of them left lol

[hoary frost]

yea idk why people in this channel were being surprised or even outraged over it

[upbeat stream]

A k-tokki had said back in October that executive grade salary is required to put non-compete clauses, and according to kyunghyang, ador employees (idk how many though) had non-compete clauses

[subtle matrix]

What's considered an executive grade salary? A few months ago a hybe financial report stated that the average salary for their employees was in the 50-75 million won range (~40-55k usd)

[old cypress]

she worked with choi yumi on a few projects very recently though

[subtle matrix]

Idk if this includes ador employees but realistically their average salaries will be in the same order of magnitude

[hoary frost]

[short laurel]

We have estimate of that. Remember mhj revealed employee B's salary n called it alot fir her position

[thorny knot]

*tt https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8rJGTrf/

[harsh dove]

:warning: TikTok Error: There was a problem downloading this video, try again later

[thorny knot]

Man I hate this bot

[weak relic]

*tt https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8rJGTrf/

[harsh dove]

@saeron

[short laurel]

He's in jail now?

[compact creek]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[cinder narwhal]

why people hating on kim nayeon smh

people need to put food on the table

[short laurel]

She's big enough to not have trouble finding job elsewhere. I think she's still working for hybe cuz of contract.

[hollow sorrel]

a bit more details about the shareholders' contract's hearing

[upbeat stream]

Due to this Nayeon thing, I was going through the igs of newjeans' team, and I noticed that everyone unfollowed Jerri (one of the choreographers). I'm fairly certain the other PDs used to follow her. In fact, they would hang out with each other all the time. Also she is the only one who still follows ador

[gentle badger]

Yes, the other 3 PDs still hang out and work together

[upbeat stream]

Funny thing is, she still follows min heejin

[short laurel]

Nayeon? Who was jerri? I m confused i not really remember the teams name

[upbeat stream]

Nayeon Kim was a graphic designer and art director in the team, now she got promoted to creative director at ador it seems (mhj's position). Jerri was one of the performance directors, the others being Blackq, Jeikim and Yellz

[red thorn]

art director is yemin kim, nyk is more like visual directing (probably CD on occassion too) also she made many visual assets from 2d design to 3d and also videographer too, she had play very significant factor in NJ visual sensibility than you'd think

[upbeat stream]

I know how important she is. It's twitter tokkis trying to downplay her role for whatever reason. You can dislike her working with ador and not downplay her importance, in fact, it's all the more reason to be upset

[cinder narwhal]

i think non executives are just victims in this war between hybe and mhj

just like the girls

[waxen musk]

People are either being too honest but extremely reactionary, without actually knowing what the real situation is, or they are hesitant to express how they feel because of how things usually go and haters using it against us.

By the way, yesterday I joked about people saying MHJ would use Nayeon Kim as an ADOR spy, and guess what, I saw someone say the exact same thing but seriously. It was a Tokki, too.

I'll be honest, I don't see the Tokki fandom being that different from all the other K-pop fandoms. There are some very vocal dumbasses out there.

Time to get off Twitter again.

Can't remember who said they were hoping for some imaginary Friday deadline, but things are still being submitted for the appeal: https://x.com/catzkang/status/1933468691041300859

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

By June 13, 2025, ADOR's team submitted their preparatory documents (written statements) to the court.

- Appeal

X · Jun 13, 2025, 10:17 AM

Twitter is so far from reality sometimes it's crazy. But the thing is, for me in particular, I don't experience the K-pop fandom outside of just online. I experienced it IRL literally once when I went to Bunnies Camp and that was eye opening. But I wish I wasn't so limited with my IRL experiences with regards to K-pop.

I can imagine it's very similar for a lot of people. Maybe most people don't even have one experience IRL.

Or you know, maybe they're just normies who casually like things and have no idea how awful things can get online. That's probably the actual majority.

People have gotten very skilled at making other people angry.

[short laurel]

Who unfollowed who?

[waxen musk]

MHJ not following anyone on IG was a smart move. Gives nobody a reason to speculate on why someone may or may not be following someone.

[upbeat stream]

jeikim, blackq and yellz unfollowed jerri. Jerri still follows jeikim and mhj though

[short laurel]

Do they follow mhj?

[upbeat stream]

Yeah they all follow mhj, that's the funny part

[storm warren]

mhj's position was executive producer, creative director was yemin kim

yemin was listed as "senior creative director"when she was member of ador board

nayeon was in charge of media planning and art direction, alongside few others

[storm warren]

yeah since early january eunju blackq and yellz stopped engaging with jerri's posts

but last time i checked they still followed each other

I understand this is frustrating, especially because njz is unable to be active atm which makes fans direct all attention on whatever fraudor does, but we should leave them behind. everyone is adult in this game, some made decisions out of loyalty, some based on benefits and career perspective, some are indifferent. those who cared enough, left ador and decided to become freelancers. those who did not, stayed and got promotions. nayeon is industry veteran who was nurtured by MHJ, she has her style, but she was not CD of NJZ, nor she was sole contributor for their creative or art direction, MHJ has given her lots of credit but gave Yemin even more credit in her interviews. NJZ as it was came to be because these people worked together, separately, they all will do different things. Tokkis might seem more disappointed as ador was not big team and their names were noticeable more than it would be and hybe part times are using this to discredit everyone mhj and yemin, but who cares.

NJZ will be able to find capable art directors and graphic designers even if they just outsource them, but capable executive producers who see full picture and have boarder vision are hard to come by

njz will continue moving on, so shall we

[short laurel]

Does nayeon kim still follow mhj?

[hoary frost]

Insta detectives

[empty halo]

are we sure that these adults in their 30s and 40s or beyond pay attention who exactly they follow on INSTAGRAM and if it actually matters

[short laurel]

Snipper does. He is celebrating kim nayeon still being in ador. He said she choose ador over mhj n njz

I hate tokkies for spreading his post on my timeline. Now i did same here

[hoary frost]

he and his echochamber can claim it as a win if they want

fans of that boygroup are already so toxic

[storm warren]

which boygroup

anyways they can keep it. new ador is another hybe label

[hoary frost]

new bg from ador

[storm warren]

they dont have stans bfr 😂 they dont even exist

its all hybe incels barking

[hoary frost]

yes those are their fans

[short laurel]

They don't even know who members are yet 😂

[storm warren]

they wont be paying a cent to support that group

[short laurel]

It'll be another payola group

[storm warren]

armys are territorial when it comes to boy groups. they stan bts only and txt bc its their uwu bothers

[short laurel]

No. I've seen them hating txt too.

[storm warren]

they dont care about non bighit boygroups bc they are not produced by bang pork and arent bts' direct little brothers

[short laurel]

Ooh n Svt n enhypen fandom had fanwar recently

[hoary frost]

Svt and bts fandom also had fanwar some time ago

[storm warren]

armys hate svt. so thats not a surprise

[short laurel]

Carots were once among the most peaceful fandom 😭

[storm warren]

bighit is also debuting new bg and all those fans who are pushing 50 going to end up stanning them and adopting them as their "sons"

[short laurel]

P*d nona to sons ...

[hoary frost]

eh...there are so many of them so some do spread to other bg. alot of enhypen fan are army

[storm warren]

nobody can spare attention to ador nbg who is doing nct wish x boynextdoor mashup concept so far. maybe final concept will be more polished lol

i wish good luck to hitchhiker, nayeon, jerri etc for new bg.

[red thorn]

Well, there's formal role in company and there's credit in actual creation practice
nyk formally is creative director too, and dont think she ever credited as art director in NJ, it's always Yemin Kim
and both of them never credited as Creative Director as well

[empty halo]

and a lot of tokkis are using it to specutable what "sides" these random employees are on. it truly does not matter or mean anything people gotta stop analysing this.

[storm warren]

all album credits list MHJ as executive producer (she oversees every single detail and they work around her ideas), Yemin as creative director and Nayeon as media planning & direction

[short laurel]

It matters for witness....

[empty halo]

we cant predict that based on instagram followers dawg

[short laurel]

Njz parents want them as witnesses iirc. But if more employees still working for ador..
Ofc we can't predict that from ig but ppl are desperate for anything.

That's why kpopies care about all this

[red thorn]

She usually credited as producer, executive producer for music production, and creative supervising
But my point is ador don't list creative direction credit to one person just like k-pop usually do

[storm warren]

yeah, i checked again and they use Art Director for Yemin, tho i think CD and AD are sometimes used interchangeably

MHJ was in charge of all roles, so i guess Producer title encompasses her contribution

https://x.com/njzbubblegum/status/1797793530485903484

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM)

They dismissed Chief Creative Director Kim Yemin...
* According to the 2nd presscon, She is going to work as employee of ADOR still. Even she was dismissed in director position.

Source: https://t.co/a9H7q68Qws

X · Jun 4, 2024, 12:52 AM

this was still her official position, even had shares in ador and was mhj's right hand when it comes to art

[short laurel]

Ik. But we can't control this sadly.

[floral heron]

Is it true earliest mhdhh comeback would be around 2026??

[waxen musk]

If appeal goes through quickly and positively then this year is still possible. No idea how realistic that is.

[clear hill]

I’m not bashing those who stayed in ador. im just kinda confused bc didn’t ador staff get followed home by hybe staff + being harassed for their laptops and belongings?

[upbeat stream]

The two who were harassed are Choi Yumi and then newjeans' manager. Both of them presumably left

[clear hill]

Ohhhh. Thanks for clearing it up.

[fallow forge]

Okay this is about our fandom being toxic and saying illit copied hanni with their bobs saying this js in case you don’t care esp since it’s childish asf😭

They were talking about it in a server and I would show ss but idk how safe I am so.. but idc at the fact they saying bunnies were over doing it and insulting us but then they said smth about hanni that pissed me off so bad like saying she looked bad with it and etc and honestly I just don’t understand the need to talk about a idol looks just to defend your point and I said smth abt it without somehow getting mad 🙏🏾 but it just genuinely made me think about how literally anytime our fandom does smth or a troll does it to make us look bad instead of coming for us they come for hanni or Dani which is very annoying like these girls can’t rest and even if you hate the fandom why talk about a idols looks which is disrespectful asf and idk I just wanted to say smth and let it out bc I held myself back talking to them and again I wish fandoms would stop fighting bc I love both groups sm

[ashen charm]

if they get the appeal approved id not the main lawsuit seems more realistic

[short laurel]

Both fandom actually. Bunnies saying illit copied hanni's bob. N there's gillit saying bob looks good on girls n ugly on hanni. Neither side innocent here

[fallow forge]

See I hate when people leave out both sides🤦🏽‍♀️

[short laurel]

Troll Bunnies these days have been calling every kpop with even slightest similarities newjeans copies. We are really not in situation to alienate other kpop fandoms especially with army on our ars almost daily.

Just yesterday they saying rv cosmic is newjeans getup copy. Timeline of both releases was too close. It was nothing more than stretch

[thick glade]

I want every kpop idol to have a Hanni bob all at the same time. It'll be glorious.

[cinder narwhal]

https://fixupx.com/juantokki/status/1933686856128082145

1tokki (@juantokki)

Uncle 250 working with Fujii Kaze 😎

Quoting Genius Japan (@JPNGenius)
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FixupX · Jun 14, 2025, 12:44 AM

my father 250

[bronze talon]

W
been listening to fujii since like 5 years almost
great artist

[honest sky]

W

[hoary frost]

Being toxic isn't good but at the same time all other fandoms villianize bunnies so hard no matter what they do

Most of these trolls using njz name are not bunnies either...usually from some other fandom like blinks

[short laurel]

Alot of are fake yea but we still have not so small toxic bunnies. Lia is one more popular one. But there's alot of smaller ones who are not toxic in defence of njz but just are toxic.

[hoary frost]

tbh lia isn't that toxic to me. I unfollowed her because it was a bit much but in terms of stan twt standards it wasnt that bad

There's one fandom that has consistently been toxic for years and yet people only attack bunnies as most toxic fandom now...so tbh i don't think it matters

[tidal crystal]

I have a question when it comes to like rights and stuff, let’s saying NJZ win the court case, does ador or NJZ get the rights to the newjeans songs?

Ik the court case is for them being independent but I am still confused on that

[waxen musk]

ADOR owns everything NewJeans and will continue to do so until NJZ fights for the rights for NewJeans.

[upbeat stream]

Well other than the copyright to the songs themselves, which belongs to the songwriters. Ador does hold the master recordings

[subtle matrix]

tbf claims of copying or plagiarism are super common in kpop in general. In 99% of cases it's a stupid claim that is either a massive stretch or ignores the fact that you can make similar comparisons between almost any 2 groups

However it should be called out like you did. Fanbases too often see it as malicious when other fanbases do it but distance themselves when it's their own. Every fanbase has toxic fans and it won't stop unless people call out their own

[short laurel]

Nha. Change your circle. Everyone in kpop hates hybe stans. I not c other fandoms attacking bunnies much, only toxic ppl of other fandoms who attack everyone regardless.

[empty halo]

Im still thinking about how they could reclaim their name. In their press conference I believe it was Danielle who mentioned that they're gonna fight for the name NewJeans

it makes sense to me, while NJZ isnt bad and is similar enough to nwjns/newjeans, a kpop groups name is their identity

esp for a group as big as them, going for the name is the logical thing to do tbh

[tidal crystal]

Oh I forgot about that, I just assumed they were going NJZ

[empty halo]

they're probably atleast gonna attempt to get the name back i think

[tidal crystal]

I hope so, going through a name change no matter for what company or brand, can be a huge change and difference for a lot of fans

[empty halo]

more importantly for casual listeners which make up a huge chunk of njz's listeners. they dont understand the situation and only recognise the name newjeans

[tidal crystal]

Exactly, new fans are going to follow the newjeans page and not their actual page that’s why I hope they get the name back

[subtle matrix]

I don't see how they could without some major good will from Hybe which obviously seems unlikely. But I'm not familiar with the law ofc

[short laurel]

If they can prove that hybe purposely tried to damage newjeans in court then girls can win the rights to the brand.

[wraith cove]

Some people accused her of predatory behavior and she refuted the claims

[wraith cove]

But sadly the court only believes the messages hybes show...

[short laurel]

That was injunction. In injunction they just assume both sides words as truth. In main court they'll investogate everything they submit.

[wraith cove]

I WANT THEM TO WIN SO WE GET HAPPY NJZ ONCE AGAIN

[short laurel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1934174218708799773?t=pZ71IV6IYRQbh2FeBySa2A&s=19 seriously

1tokki (@juantokki)

[Exclusive] Arrest Warrant for Bang Si-hyuk Over ‘Fraudulent Transactions’ Not Requested… Ongoing Tensions Between Police and Prosecution
https://t.co/TDToTdelRi
Reporter Ryu Byung-hwa

Second Search and Seizure Warrant Rejected

Joint investigation by police and prosecution

X · Jun 15, 2025, 9:00 AM

[weak relic]

https://tenor.com/view/minji-kim-minji-kpop-newjeans-gif-9802662494849316844

[old cypress]

i'm no law&order expert, is police and prosecution being 2 separate investigation entities a korean thing?

usually the police investigate and forward the case to the prosecution

it seems the case here as well but it looks like the prosecution is able to investigate by themselves? Instead of directing the police?

[copper current]

prosecutor is corrupt, please wipe out all the corrupted prosecutors

[vale grove]

I’m pretty confused, is the police trying to prevent the arrest of bsh? I just wish there was a warrant to get him out already

[copper jetty]

I wonder though, why the prosecution is rejecting the search warrant from the police? They rejected it twice. I don't know the reason why prosecution is also investigating but I hope that they're not just stalling for time until Hybe destroys the evidence. They better be quick before all the evidence they need disappears.

[old cypress]

seems like prosecution wants to get all the credit? idk

[midnight yarrow]

Yes, that's exactly it. Bunnies are misinterpreting these updates. These are two organizations fighting over getting credit for taking BSH down; the prosecution is not trying to protect him

[short laurel]

Rejecting warrent is serious matter regardless. The way they are targeting him it seems evidence is solid

[empty halo]

lets hope that's the case

[midnight yarrow]

The prosecution wouldn't be fending off the police if they weren't sitting on something big evidence wise

They're also working alongside the FSS, who would have a vested interest in severely punishing any company guilty of financial fraud and insider trading. If they want the Korean securities market to be taken seriously at least

[short laurel]

Ipo fraud. Insider trading hybe can easily deflect it to that bighit person who did it.

[midnight yarrow]

The IPO fraud is a much bigger deal

I'll just say. If something comes out of the investigation that implicates BSH, and MHJ wins her case for her put options, things will look and feel a lot different.

[short laurel]

Yea

[wary creek]

why do the police want to get involved too when it sounds like the prosecution can execute the search warrant themselves? wouldn't evidence collected by the police still have to end up in court and in the prosecution's hands anyway

[sage venture]

there’s a lot going on behind the scenes It might be too long but anyway, korea’s constitution actually gives only the prosecution the exclusive power to both indict and request warrants(probably only country?) This likely comes from past issues with police abusing warrants during the japanese occupation and dictatorship eras
But over time, the prosecution got way too powerful and started acting like its own political group Now, the new government wants to shake things up by splitting the prosecution into two departments, one handling investigations, and the other handling indictments and issuing warrants Most importantly, they’re planning to do this quick like within three months Now, the prosecution will try to block this or at least prove they still matter before getting split The police, on the other hand, see this as their chance to shine Add in the FSS and you’ve got a power tangle like a 3 body problem

so yeah, let’s just wait and see how this all play

[old cypress]

that makes sense

[shut kelp]

wait where is this posted? looks like the video i made 😂

[copper current]

I watched many political shows, maybe there are some shadows behind Bang Pd, maybe he holds some secrets so someone wants him to ..... I hope someone takes action quick so he is not on NJZ way anymore.

[short laurel]

His family is very politically involved. That's why he survived so long

[weak relic]

frr? Credit to @shut kelp
Posted on threads

[weak relic]

Ur creative and imagination

[shut kelp]

*x https://x.com/jeanztaa/status/1819945294311661637

[harsh dove]

@jeanztaa <t:1722743745:d>

[shut kelp]

😂

[weak relic]

Dangggggg
Lmaooooo

[shut kelp]

*x https://x.com/jeanztaa/status/1850280332924449130/video/1

[harsh dove]

@jeanztaa <t:1729976182:d>

[shut kelp]

i have this one too 😂

[weak relic]

[shut kelp]

i couldnt put one for hyein and haerin because the camera angle was weird

[weak relic]

I see

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1934443689952288784

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1750042290:d>

(2025.06.16) Today, NJZ's Team have received a copy of ADOR’s explainatory material.

This ensures due process: both the court and the opposing party are formally informed of the arguments and evidence, allowing for a fair trial.

( Appeal )

[frozen granite]

Anything new ??

[hollow sorrel]

I’m giggling so hard at Ador spelling Clip wrong

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1934550784152400241

🫧 (@catzkang)

Today, NJZ's Team submitted documents that outlines their arguments to the court (June 16, 2025). - Appeal

X · Jun 16, 2025, 9:57 AM

[craggy skiff]

lmao
I'm not notice it

[honest sky]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[flint torrent]

i miss my new jeans

[waxen musk]

Both ADOR and NJZ submitted argument outlines today.
To me that sounds like the final type of document you submit. But who knows.

[flint torrent]

why did ador think posting old clips would help with their side💔

[upbeat stream]

I think such documents have been submitted several times by both sides, but I can't be sure

Today, Sejong submitted once and K&C thrice. Depending on whether you are an optimist or a pessimist, you could twist it either way

[rugged dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-gif-9202086862296500450

[wraith cove]

For those worried about new jeans returning. Always remember that only those who dare to achieve failure can achieve greatness. They will be back and all of this will be a simple fluke that almost never happened. Let's just wait for the court and see.

[rugged dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/new-jeans-hanni-gif-17949867834372194322

[potent lichen]

More old footage

[river inlet]

does this give any real info or have there been a lot of these

[craggy skiff]

no real info publish yet.
we only know they still working on it

[upbeat stream]

The submissions are not public, we only know which side submitted what category of evidence and when

When the submissions stop, we'll know the court is in its deliberation phase and the ruling is near. That's why I'm keeping an eye on it

[wraith cove]

old jeans 💔

[river inlet]

newer jeans necessary

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1934798677706735769

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1750126926:d>

(2025.06.17) Today, NJZ's Team have received a copy of ADOR’s explainatory material.

( Appeal )

[honest sky]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[cinder verge]

why did njz lose the appeal

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1934850215917572312

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1750139213:d>

( 2025.06.17 - APPEAL )

“Submission of explanatory (substantiating) materials”
NJZ Team submitted a document providing evidence / explanation to support their claim.

“Submission of documentary evidence”
NJZ Team submitted documentary evidence (such as written documents,

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/poppykpoppie/status/1934850758580560044?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

🚨[BREAKING] 🚨njz have lost their appeal to the injunction case. before anyone panics, this does not affect the main lawsuit. i repeat, this does not affect the main lawsuit. let's cheer them on and hope they win the main one 🙏🙏

X · Jun 17, 2025, 5:49 AM

[heady gate]

Both sides have 13 to 14 lawyers and NJZ lost their appeal case.

[red thorn]

Oof

[heady gate]

I guess, this is it. We have to wait for the main lawsuit. July 24 - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial 3rd hearing

[hollow sorrel]

If I remember correctly I read somewhere that after the third hearing in July they will have witness testimonies?

I wonder how the court made a decision when NJZ's team literally provided more evidence today like did they even read through that? Don't they usually take 1 week to make the decision

[short laurel]

restricting people from working in the industry they invested their teenage years for. i'll say it again. human rights violation. court only seeing it from business perspective. not human perspective

[knotty sparrow]

there is any chance to get any good result for main lawsuit before q4?

[short laurel]

the way court acting. no

[hollow sorrel]

There is

Next hearing is July 24th and witness testimonies start in August. (if I remember correctly)
Witness testimonies usually happen when the case is moving into it's final phase, and the main trial has been very promising so far.

My guess is that it could end around October

[tardy smelt]

well. a few more months won't kill us. keep it moving.

[knotty sparrow]

let's wait and pray for the best, wish there won't be any delaying court again and the result would be taken quickly. waiting for months or year is crazy man especially for them

[short laurel]

this is why i hate some of these fanpages.

[storm warren]

which loser is this

hybe bots are truly deranged

[short laurel]

they ignored how free newjeans was from hybe under MHJ. these type of people only like toxic kpop industry. not truely support the artists.

[copper jetty]

Just saw the news... are we cooked?

[short laurel]

idk who. someone posted it in another njz server. it's supposedly from a njz fanpage who want girls back at hybe.

[copper jetty]

"Your side side of the fanbase" what???? What side are they talking about???

[short laurel]

k bunies are split in hybe free njz or hybe control newjeans. ppl fan of content and not idols.

[copper jetty]

They can go back without the girls. There's other groups there to stan no one's stopping those fans to go back.

[short laurel]

ok they deactivated and hopped to another kpop group. bmon

[copper jetty]

Exactly. Also there's no sides here when talking to fanbases. We're just here to support the girls and that's it. Smdh

[short laurel]

yea n those fans are fakes.

[copper jetty]

But I'm sad that they lost the appeal... now I'm even questioning what's gonna be the result of the main lawsuit. If they didn't win the injunction nor the appeal, what are their chances for the main one?

What if they go international? Not korea based? Will that even work out?

[hollow sorrel]

the nature of the main lawsuit and injunctions are not similar at all

just like it happened in march, losing one doesn't mean that you are losing the other

[copper jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

I know that, but what evidence they presented in the injunction and the appeal and their arguments would be the same in the main lawsuit, and if they didn't win the injunction with that, then what's the chance in the main one?

I don't know guys... I trust the girls for sure but I don't know if there's a chance for this.

Worse comes to worst, they might end up paying fine. Which I'm ok with but those hybe stans would be insufferable.

[mild mist]

It does look pretty bad
They're locked out of any real activities until the main suit concludes, and hybe can string that out indefinitely

[river inlet]

so is there a chance to go back to hybe? if they resume activities is it completely independent, how does the money side play out?

i have no side, i only support girls and trying to understand

[subtle matrix]

I mean there's always a chance but seems incredibly unlikely given what they've said in the past

[sage venture]

indefinitely? Nope. It must be hard to overturn now since the main trial’s already set for its third hearing
In the end, after the first verdict, the contract will be terminated one way or another That’s always how these things go

[mild mist]

If they resume activities now it's a breach of the first injunction ruling and carries a hefty penalty fee

[storm warren]

pretty sure they are ready to wait until first instance ruling of main lawsuit. we should just hope main is not purposely dragged out

[river sphinx]

the main lawsuit and the appeal is very different and look into two completely different things. the appeal was mostly to check if there was made a mistake of the original ruling and they do not care much about evidence and stuff - its a fast process which is also why it came out of nowhere

the main lawsuit will look more into evidence, witnesses and personal experience etc.

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1934859769455759734?s=46&t=_5QeHS11_fu8BPbWgUmhWg before anyone starts panicking

[sage venture]

the most important thing is that once the main lawsuit's ruling comes out, the contract will be terminated regardless and the injunction is no longer valid The damages lawsuit is a separate issue

[river inlet]

this is probably a stupid question but what is the deal with pit stop - i thought all the lawsuit issues occurred before that was released, how were they able to do that? does the song belong to njz?

[river sphinx]

its an unreleased song and i'm pretty sure it does not belong to ador as it wasn't made by adors team.

Ador supported the girls attendance but didn't want them to perform under the name njz and instead newjeans and wanted their own staff in the event

I'm pretty sure the girls didn't get punished for the performance as there was not set any punishment at that time... anyone feel free to correct me if im wrong

[sage venture]

they didn’t release it, they just performed it And to get technical, since HK is outside Korean jurisdiction, there should be extra legal steps to enforce the injunction there Plus, the song belongs to the composer(no one really knows)

[empty halo]

nothings gonna happen about complexcon and pit stop, if there was the possibility of it being problematic for them ador would've dragged it out already

[ornate zephyr]

newjeans appeal rejected?

[subtle matrix]

That's what's being reported but no official announcement I think?

[river sphinx]

there is at the south korean courts website

[ornate zephyr]

multiple videos about it too

[subtle matrix]

Ah ok. All the articles I saw listed SPOTV News as the source but didn't link to any court ruling or anything like that

[red thorn]

Complexcon alr brought by ador in the injunction, they used it to point out why they request to T pose should be granted

[river sphinx]

i got the source from korean fans

[atomic echo]

everything will be ok guys

[flint stone]

wait, they decided who win without reading what njz team submitted or what?

[craggy skiff]

tragic loop. from we cooked -> we back -> we cooked ->...

[atomic echo]

i just like to stay positive. and i have high hopes.

[river sphinx]

as mentioned they don't really look at evidence for the appeal court its more about checking if there was made a mistake or not with the law and rules

[flint stone]

what are u talking about? njz submitted evidence and else for appeal, courts job is to look at it and decide who "win", no?

[river sphinx]

no the purpose by an appeal court is to examine and double check if the lower courts decision used the law correct and that it was a fair decision
they do not focus on evidence and rehear the case etc. their job is to see if there was made any mistakes

[sage venture]

it’s not a simple win or lose There are multiple factors at play like who’s facing irreversible damage... In the end, this is just a decision to maintain the status quo until the main lawsuit ruling It’s not a final judgment Considering the main lawsuit is already at its third hearing, the result isn’t that outrageous

[flint stone]

can they re-appeal? i doubt hybe can "buy" higher court

[river sphinx]

i mean they probably could but i doubt they will do that

its better that they just focus on the main trial as they have a higher chance in winning that

[flint stone]

i know it's not main lawsuit, but still

[sage venture]

we just need to wait for the first ruling the main lawsuit Once that’s out, none of this temporary stuff really matters

[craggy skiff]

so what is the point of this appeal?
yes, I know we want to revert the lower courts decision but just by how they handle it, is it really have a chance to win appeal from the begin?

[flint stone]

i hope hybe will continue digging its grave and be exposed, it def would help girls

[subtle matrix]

I think there have been cases (regarding disputes between artists and labels) where the injunction got overturned on appeal

[river sphinx]

well the girls and their team didn't expect to lose in the first place and obviously didn't agree with the courts rule so they wanted to double check if there was made a mistake or not

[sage venture]

they wanted to reverse it quickly but for some reason(?) it got delayed and now here we are, the main lawsuit’s already at its third hearing So sure, if it gets reversed, great But honestly, it doesn’t mean much at this point

[river sphinx]

i mean it kinda does bc it hurts the girls by forcing them into a hiatus

but the best one can do is hope for the best for the main trial its the one that matters the most anyways

[craggy skiff]

tbh, I'm not have any problem with how the girls and their team handle this.
I just hate why I never found how appeal could be handle like this.
"they do not focus on evidence and rehear the case etc. their job is to see if there was made any mistakes"
I prepared for lose appeal but still have a high chance, not this hopeless

[sage venture]

yep, but it’ll be resolved soon just a matter of time now

[river sphinx]

I mean the easiest way I can explain it is that the girls and their team did not agree with the trials rule and therefore wanted it reviewed by a higher court

Many fans have said to expect them to lose this before the results came out bc the chances were not extremely high

honestly don't stress yourself over this and just wait for the main trial... it favours the girls quite more and there are better chances of winning

as Hanni said just trust time

[river sphinx]

if only ador would stop pushing it further and further back

[red thorn]

The more delayed the more secondary damage
More wiggle room to influence public opinion from party with more power and resources

[craggy skiff]

my stress state passed since the lower court's decision
I just disappointed

but yes, let's wait for the main round

[sage venture]

whether they push or not, once the hearings keep going, they can’t stop the artists from leaving

[bronze jetty]

she said this but you got a small group of tokkis already wanting the girls to go back 💀

not sure why they’re not trusting the girls and their own words 😭

[river sphinx]

for sure but the girls are very loved by the public and many are aware of the hybe media play

the internet does not mirror real life. It sucks for the girls for sure and this is highkey a power play by hybe to drain their mental state and money + time

[river sphinx]

those are not fans those are selfish people who see the girls as objects for own personal benefits. no tokki would want the girls to go back to a place where they get bullied and harassed! they're human before idols

[river sphinx]

i mean the girls already voiced they are NOT going back so no matter what the outcome is they're not returning and they made it very clear so thats not surprising

[hollow sorrel]

some news to cheer up:

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1934899990633255160?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

🫧 (@catzkang)

The main trial NJZ VS ADOR will be handled by Judges Jeong Hoeil, Park Seungkyun, and Lee Youngjoo at the Seoul Central District Court.

This summarizes several significant court decisions presided over by Judge Jeong Hoeil:

1. Compensation Lawsuit for Forced Labor by Japanese

X · Jun 17, 2025, 9:04 AM

[clear hill]

The irony of it all tbh. I know that in the scope of things there are much more crucial matters at hand the Korean court has to deal with but given the evidence it would be really dissapoinying if they end up losing the case. The Hybe media play is so rampant even Korean politicians who have better things to do have probably seen an article or two just shaming the girls.

[hollow sorrel]

past case of main trial judge:

“5. Recognition of YouTube Content Creators as Workers

• Judgment Date: 2024.11.20
• Main Point: The court recognized the labor status (worker status) of YouTube content creators.
• Notes: Emphasized the reality of employment rather than freelance status.
• Explanation:
  This landmark decision recognized YouTube content creators as employees rather than freelancers, focusing on the actual nature of their work and their dependency on the platform, rather than their formal job title or contract.”

[cinder narwhal]

is this true? contract is terminated regardless?

[river sphinx]

Korea is a very corrupt country so it wouldn't surprise me to be honest lol but if I remember correctly fans were quite happy about the judge for the main trial as he focuses a lot more on trust and relationship rather than the contract itself

I could remember wrong so don't take it as facts

[cinder narwhal]

ador can't hold them to the rest of the 7 year contract even if they win?

[river sphinx]

No they would just have to pay for terminating the contract

[cinder narwhal]

oh yeah i forgot November happened

feels good to be detached

[sage venture]

what people often miss is that winning or losing this main lawsuit isn’t just about whether the contract is valid The judge could rule the contract is valid, but if trust is irreparably broken, the contract will still be terminated Technically, that’s a win for ADOR, but NJZ will take it as win

[clear hill]

Regardless it’s not a good look. I feel pity for the girls because this must feel never ending for them. To have it dragged out so long just for them to hypothetically lose the case is so wrong imo. Esp bc of the huge power play and power dynamic between Hybe,those in charge and 5 girls who simply want out of mistreatment.

[cinder narwhal]

how much certainty is there in that statement? People sounded pretty sure before the injunction and look what happened

[subtle matrix]

Isn't that the same thing? NJZ are claiming their termination is legitimate due to breakdown of trust. Either the court rules that there is breakdown of trust and the contract is ended or there is no breakdown of trust and the contract remains valid. I don't think there is a "there is breakdown of trust but contract is valid" scenario

[cinder narwhal]

that's what i was thinking. ador could potentially still hold them to the contract

so it could be at least 4 more years

[clear hill]

But if they refuse to work, how does that play out?

[cinder narwhal]

then they dont. issue is they can't

[river sphinx]

just trust the girls and their team there is not much else we can do than be supportive.

[clear hill]

They’d just have to pay penalties right?

[subtle matrix]

What I think could potentially happen is the court determining that the contract is valid but due to the refusal of NJZ to return they could sue to get a much lower penalty than what is established by the contract

[sage venture]

looking at past cases, there was cases where an artist signed exclusive contracts with two companies, which was clearly a violation Even then, after the lawsuit, the contract was ruled valid, but since both parties couldn’t work together, the contract was terminated by the judge Of course, the damages lawsuit is a separate matter

[clear hill]

If mhj wins her case will that help njz’s case?

[river sphinx]

two different trials

[subtle matrix]

It could potentially help but given that the judges keep dismissing the removal of MHJ as a reason for breakdown of trust I don't think it will

[clear hill]

Yea but the hopium in me is hoping that mhj could somehow help or do something about it</3

[subtle matrix]

Not a lawyer obviously but I think MHJ has a decent shot of winning her case

[cinder narwhal]

what does she win? not reinstatement right

[clear hill]

I know it’s not mhj’s obligation but a part of me keeps thinking she had a plan for them outside of ador. It just feels so sudden that they simply part ways just like that.

[subtle matrix]

Lots of money

[bronze jetty]

they’re probably keeping in contact but more privately cuz of the tampering allegations

[river sphinx]

the girls are most likely staying out of contact with mhj to not affect the trial etc.

the girls made it very clear that they favor mhj and their old team rather than new ador before leaving

[cinder narwhal]

time to found a new agency

[red thorn]

Mhj vs hybe kind of parallel with ador vs njz
Validation of termination contract

[clear hill]

Relationships aside I mean future plans and projects. Her teasing NJ1 felt like a hint but maybe I’m just being delulu 🥀💔

[sage venture]

i think her winning case definitely helps the NJZ case too Right now, Sejong’s argument has shifted to 'MHJ is the irreplaceable core of NJZ → HYBE/ADOR fired her without consulting NJZ and had no plan for the group after her dismissal → this constitutes a breach of trust' They’ve officially requested a formal explanation and ADOR will explain during the third hearing So,if firing MHJ was unlawful, their argument naturally becomes much stronger

[river sphinx]

• the fact that new ador is not the team the girls agreed to work with when they signed the contract

the burden is on ador for this

[clear hill]

This definitely highlights the breach of trust aspect, I just don’t know how tangible it is proving that in court

I have hope tho. It’ll just take time but if loona and fifty fifty can end up with happy endings so can njz<3

[mild mist]

Making the contract termination date later, and any penalty fees lower.

[short laurel]

said on every step.

[storm warren]

The court stated, “The reasons for the appeal presented by the debtors are not significantly different from the arguments made in the first trial, and even when reviewing the materials submitted so far and the claims of both parties in light of the relevant legal principles, the first court’s decision to approve the provisional injunction is deemed valid.”

It continued, “During the exclusive contract period, unless the creditor (ADOR) has seriously breached key obligations of the contract or the trust relationship between the parties has irreparably broken down, the debtors (NewJeans) cannot unilaterally terminate the contract or withdraw at their own discretion based solely on their subjective circumstances.” The court added, “In this exclusive contract case, it is difficult to conclude that there is sufficient cause to determine that the trust relationship between the parties has been damaged.”

Furthermore, the court noted, “Given the nature of idol group entertainment activities, significant investment, support, education, and training are required for debut,” and stated, “If the debtors arbitrarily withdraw from the exclusive contract and pursue independent entertainment activities, the creditor suffers the disadvantage of losing all the results of its past investments, while the debtors would be able to monopolize the future results of their entertainment activities, leading to an unreasonable outcome.”

companies can terminate contracts based on their subjective circumstances but artists cant. okay

[river sphinx]

not to mention the girls already paid back their debt xd

[empty halo]

so
no njz until something comes outta the lawsuit?

[subtle matrix]

Seems to be the case

[empty halo]

[subtle matrix]

They could try to appeal to the supreme court but it seems unlikely they would take the case from what I gather

[subtle matrix]

Anyway the injunction rulings seems to be very much focused on the implication of the ruling in the context of the main trial

[storm warren]

it seems like this might affect main lawsuit

[subtle matrix]

e.g. all injunction rulings made reference to damages to the creditor if the injuction wasn't granted

This will not be as much of a factor in the lawsuit

However it is worrying for NJZ that some of the claims for termination aren't sticking at all

[hoary frost]

I agree, i am worried

[subtle matrix]

This ruling in particular was pretty brutal

[storm warren]

because as stated by injunction judge, even if harm is done, it is not to the point of complete trust breakdown. isnt that what lower court judge said basically

[waxen musk]

I'm so sad things couldn't turn around for the girls a lot sooner. I'm still here, cheering them on for the main trial but, knowing this is going to be a long fight and the wait to see them do what they want will be way longer than I was hoping, I'm so sad.

[stiff prairie]

Anyone got some copium?

atp I'd be surprised if we get anything positive on the main trial

[storm warren]

https://x.com/gogagago000/status/1934928496809464026

걍🐥 (@gogagago000)

항고 관련 기사들을 보니 하이브가 MHJ의 주주간 계약에서 주장한 네거티브 의견들이 반영된 것 같음. 가처분에서 멤버들은 당사자가 아니라 반박 제시할 수 있는 게 한정적임. 즉 하이브 주장 대로 MHJ이 문제라고 판단하고 신뢰 파탄을 인정하지 않은 듯. 방금 뜬 ...

X · Jun 17, 2025, 10:57 AM

[raven kelp]

can't hybe mediaplay be used against them in the main trial? that they don't have the girls' best interest in mind. or is it also "subjective"

[waxen musk]

When nothing goes our way for NJZ and I see the world seemingly go along the path of the worst timeline, I start wondering what else can go wrong.
I was very hopeful because there was at least some chance the girls could be happy to work again as NJZ this year.
But now not knowing how long we'll have to wait for that, for them to truly be happy, I'm not handling that well right now.
I'm just expecting to not see them for a year, at least. I wasn't prepared for that.

@stiff prairie
As for copium for the main trial, I somehow still have that, but only because of what I've heard about the injunction (and objection and appeal) just not requiring needing to go through evidence carefully.

[river sphinx]

they would have to be able to prove that with evidence

[red thorn]

Well
#1231839760759263232 message

[waxen musk]

Oh no now I'm seeing people with copium surrounding their expectations on how the main trial will conclude a lot sooner than anything I'm expecting. (Saw someone say could conclude by September.)

I don't know what to expect, but I'm not expecting that.

[raven kelp]

well let's just wish the best for our girls and support em

[waxen musk]

I can't see anything changing that.

[short laurel]

I wish bsh goes to jail soon. Soo er the better. Then we'll start seeing actual change in the company. Idt without bsh, bsh family political influence will care about hybe.

How long prosecutors n police going to delay it with their drama for credits

[raven kelp]

pit stop mv lost media atp

[bronze talon]

https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1934925564022018321

𝙡𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧🦞 (@yo_lobster)

We’ve lost the injunction.
We’ve lost the objection.
And now, the appeal too.

What if we lose the main lawsuit too?
Is that it? Game over?

Simple answer? NO.
Even if it turns out that way, it’s far from over.

It might be the worst-case scenario on paper. But this story was

X · Jun 17, 2025, 10:46 AM

[fast snow]

Any significant changes?

[cinder verge]

can someone tell me how cooked is it i havent been keeping up much

[stiff prairie]

At least some hope to hold on to

But I'm fully anticipating loss on main trial. I just hope court doesn't decide on an impossible payout amount and they can pay

[copper current]

the government is changing gradually, Hybe is running in the background with money and connections and fought against young girls, Lawyers can be spies and act dumd as well. NJZ need to be sharp and detect any spies or someone who destroyed their cases

[short laurel]

then i hope kpop lose it's popularity hard. i hope this fight helps people realise how inhuman kpop is and intly this industry dies. then korea will know what their corrupted justice system did.

[stiff prairie]

Nah ppl would only care if it happened to a group they care about. Industry isn't dying for this. Maybe just a small portion besides bunnies will see it like that

[short laurel]

that's why i said, i hope.

[honest sky]

I dont like kpop but I like newjeans

[short laurel]

industry is already very saturated. innovation is near dead.

[stiff prairie]

I tried other k-pop groups but I can't get my expectations lower after experiencing peak

[honest sky]

Real

[tardy smelt]

how are we feeling almost 3 months into hiatus?

[stiff prairie]

Ask me on 2029

That's when the contract dies right?

[red thorn]

I'm fine 💀

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/freddyvvjt/status/1934874404334326204?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

Jai. (@Freddyvvjt)

Reminiscing about Hanni's reassurance after the first decision.
WE BELIEVE IN MHDHH
#StayStrongMHDHH
#BunniesAgainstAdor

X · Jun 17, 2025, 7:23 AM

[copper current]

I take the news very well, I don’t have high hope but I wish new government, new ruling system will change things for NJZ. It is better not to be in that yellow hell than being in there and be tortured and looked down on. NJZ made the right decision to leave

[old cypress]

Oh they lost the appeal

well see you next year

[old cypress]

this is crazy 💀

[sudden tangle]

[raven kelp]

true. kpop stans saying nj will be replaced by other groups and i'm honestly waiting for a group like that to debut. imagine someone who could surpass atleast one of their hit songs

[waxen musk]

I welcome it, too. It sounds exciting. It's just not happening.

It's not even been three months since the injunction.

[tardy smelt]

the only copium i’ve got now is that after the main suit verdict, win or lose, the injunction becomes irrelevant, so we can at least see them posting ig updates again without the court on their backs. and that’s good enough i suppose.

[raven kelp]

can they use their ig if they lose the main suit?

[old cypress]

depends

[raven kelp]

wouldn't that mean they're still under ador? in paper atleast

[old cypress]

yes

[raven kelp]

god it feels like it's been years

[waxen musk]

The injunction doesn't prevent them from using their Instagram right now. I think there's a lot of misunderstanding around that. Also because they basically don't post anything on there apart from I think maybe one Hanni story over a week ago, people think they aren't posting on there because of the potential fines. I don't think this is true. I think it's very possible they might not be posting out of fear of how people react, the same reason they ask people not to post photos of them. But I don't think they're restricted from posting on Instagram.

[raven kelp]

let's just think of these defeats as something to balance things out. they were too unstoppable with the wins #copium

[old cypress]

technically companies have control over idols social media and the injunction made it clear that they're still under ador so idols are not supposed to use a public instagram account without ador's approval

[tardy smelt]

they’re not restricted. they’re just, like you said, not posting for perception. and to detox themselves.

[raven kelp]

yeah i don't see how it's an issue since the injunction only bars them from any "commercial" activities done independently

[ashen charm]

the appeal was always gunna be rejected the main lawsuit is what really matters

[hollow sorrel]

they are not restricted from posting they just can't brand themselves as NJZ or as a kpop group, so nothing commercial

[waxen musk]

The injunction has nothing to do with if their contract is still valid or not. It has not been determined if the girls are still under ADOR. That's what the main lawsuit is about.

[old cypress]

no the injunction establishes that the termination is invalid and that newjeans is still under ador

until the main lawsuits concludes that is

[waxen musk]

No

[ashen charm]

injuction is just leverage for the main lawsuit had njz won they couldve funded and gotten the publics back on there side if they werent already

[old cypress]

yes it's for them to earn money and stay active until the main lawsuit concludes

[hollow sorrel]

exactly that's why it's called preliminary injunction

[sage venture]

companies have control over idols social media → this is not true

[ashen charm]

had they not done complexcon idk the results wouldnt have matter glad they tried to the end tho

[old cypress]

then explain why most idols don't have public social media accounts

and why idols close their social media right before debuting

[sage venture]

That has nothing to do with it

[copper current]

I just don’t understand how incapable NJZ lawyers are

[short laurel]

Companies control every aspect of idols life but legally companies can't control what an idol do in their private life or on social media as long as it's not related to the brand.

[old cypress]

private social media yes, but public social media is considered part of the idol's image/brand

[short laurel]

It is but not completely. Many young idols listen to their company but once they grow up, they freely use social media n the only time they get in trouble is when they do something stupid like karina did. N company has to do damage control then. 😅

[river sphinx]

??????

[knotty sparrow]

can they do other entertainment activities besides singing like do acting? or is it still considered breach their contract?

[empty halo]

yes it's considered a breach

[ashen charm]

usually the manager will post the ad and sponsored content on social media but every idol is different

[river sphinx]

wild take

[old cypress]

No I mean many companies often trust idols to handle their posts since it feels more organic but ultimately companies can close or take over an idol's social media at any time

[ashen charm]

yeah laywers were a bit to blame not submitting all evidence but i doubt it mattered anyways

[knotty sparrow]

ah yeah, i think it's a good decision for them if they would pursue their education durign this time, like if this main lawsuit issue would take their time much. maybe going to law school to sue these mf people

[tardy smelt]

man, the first celebs i actively follow, and by chance i really picked the best group and the most depressing to become a fan of, huh.

[river sphinx]

they're obviously saving the evidence for the main trial why would they use it on an appeal with low chance of winning

[short laurel]

Every contract is also different. But just bcuz it's in contract doesn't means it's legal. But if it's idols private public profile n companies wants to control that, they that would be against human rights. Korea would be in huge trouble if they try to control that much.

[old cypress]

yeah I think they messed up the injunction and it kinda snowballed from here. Happens

[copper current]

Or they play dumb and they acted working but helped Hybe in the background. NJZ are still naive. There are spies everywhere. I hope they are sharp and chose better or right lawyers

[old cypress]

you need to stop watching law&order

[short laurel]

Industry is slavery but there's a limit they can n can't go.

Njz csn use their ig just fine as long as it's not related to brand. N just talking to ppl.

[empty halo]

wellll they are kpop idols and seem to have no plans in pursuing anything but being in the entertainment industry, but sure why not. since minji graduated high school im assuming the other 3 adults have too

[short laurel]

N girls have been doing that from time to time

[ashen charm]

i do agree that somestuff njz couldve done better but life happens we have to move on

[old cypress]

There's a standardised contract so most contracts are very similar. Njz is currently in a gray area so it's different

[copper current]

But reality is really like that. I witnessed things like that with my eyes, just different cases and situations. People can go under law and accept money.

[short laurel]

There's still difference per company

[empty halo]

either ways they're on hiatus, they dont need to post tbh

[short laurel]

If they were blocked from using ig, we won't be having lil post from time to yime

[empty halo]

this is NOT a kdrama mate real life is much more boring. njz are not naive, and even if they are they have parents and managers looking out for them.

its just a complicated case and the law has a bias for companies, just the way it is

[sage venture]

you need to remember An injunction is a 'decision' whereas the main lawsuit ends in a 'judgment'
Factors like personal connections or external influence can sway injunction decisions more easily, especially since they don’t set legal precedents In that sense, they can be somewhat subjective But when it comes to a formal judgment, it’s a different matter

[empty halo]

no spicy corrupt lawyers and law firm drama here

[copper current]

I wish I could be there for them and helped them see who the real betrayal and fake people are. I have pretty keen eyes. The red flags are very small in actions or words. It is very simple to argue and pointed things out but the lawyers made it like it is so challenging for NJZ to win.

[old cypress]

I don't think they're blocked from using ig but they cannot use it to do idol activities and that includes posting pictures and selfies. They're just using it to communicate on a few matters

[empty halo]

they know their contract better than us if they're not posting they're doing it bc they shouldn't

[river sphinx]

Y'all need to stop calling them naive and what not

the girls have their parents and team behind their backs... they've been very outspoken about how this whole issue has been bothering them and suffocating them.

they're aware of the situation they're in! they KNOW its not looking good for them right now and they've been vocal about that yet its still what they want to fight for bc they believe it is the right thing for themselves

[ashen charm]

they could go live but every comment would be about the lawsuit and if they say something it could be used in court its better to not risk anything

[tardy smelt]

they can post (nothing commercial). main reason they're not is to get offline, touch grass, and heal. thought that was clear.

[old cypress]

I'm not sure about lives but I don't think they can post pictures because what they show is part of their brand as newjeans. But perhaps i'm wrong

[river sphinx]

they literally posted birthday pics

[tardy smelt]

they put pictures from italy on their story so

[empty halo]

what are some missteps y'all think they made? bc I see people say they did make some mistakes here and there but I'm wondering what they are. I think they should have mentioned min heejin less from the beginning bc now people try to obsess over that connection alot now, as if a lot of other things weren't also happening.

[tardy smelt]

probably left too early, could've stayed for longer to actually have access to stronger evidence before they pulled the plug

[mild mist]

I think they should have waited a bit longer before terminating the contract

Definitely longer after that ultimatum deadline

[river sphinx]

the mention of mhj definitely took focus away from the main issue as people downsized it to "they don't want to work with hybe bc she's not there" instead of focusing on the mistreatment

[empty halo]

rlly? bc they werent letting hanni access that cctv footage no matter what. I don't think they were ever gonna be able to access anything at hybe (even comebacks lmao)

[copper current]

I can understand why NJZ made decisions to leave asap because they are worried about their safety.

[waxen musk]

ADOR with MHJ = treated well.
ADOR without MHJ = ignored, not treated well, no trust.
Of MHJ is a huge focus. She's tied into the whole treatment vs mistreatment.

[short laurel]

Blocking ppl from doing regular ppl things. Idt they can go that far. If they do. Then korea is too fked up. Written in contract or not, stopping from posting pics is too much. It'd be illegal everywhere else, how is this any different from north korea then?

[tardy smelt]

could've compiled more documentation (recording interactions etc.), let post-MHJ ADOR management fuck up a lot more to build a longer list

[sage venture]

they didn’t do anything wrong If anything, they were just too honest They could have claimed psychological damage or something similarly hard to disprove but they didn't

[subtle matrix]

I don't think they are talking about the cctv footage, more in the sense of having more documented examples of violations of their rights as artists

[old cypress]

they can (and definitely do) have private instagram accounts

[short laurel]

Private public. Which is what current account is

[old cypress]

you can access it so it's public, not private

[ashen charm]

leaving to early when the mhj drama was still going on the press conferences the yt channel njz had every right to leave but way they went down didnt work out

[empty halo]

the rest of the team also left, which is what the legal team is trying to bring more focus on so that mhj isn't the main point of convo. the problem is ador being replaced COMPLETELY.

[short laurel]

Then they are not blocked as u were saying

[old cypress]

they're not doing anything on except communicate as i said earlier

[short laurel]

They are not yea but they are not blocked from posting pics

[empty halo]

yeah but I imagine it being quite suffocating being in there, im sure it was affecting their mental health. Id wanna leave immediately so I get why they did that

[waxen musk]

People keep talking about the IG topic because it's rare we hear from them at all thse days and want to hear from them directly to know if they're ok or not. All these indications of them being ok these past few weeks have been coming primarily from people meeting them or seeing them IRL. And we've seen how those interactions or photos have caused so much trouble because haters twist everything. I don't blame them for keeping quiet even if they can technically post all they want. It's just them barely posting is confusing a lot of people making people think it's that they can't, but that's not true.

[empty halo]

oh yeah the youtube press conference was certainly interesting. I guess they wanted to make their stance on the mhj vs hybe issue clear bc their name was being dragged into it a lot? but jt didnt make a whole lotta sense idk

[old cypress]

they'd have posted pics if they weren't but whatever, this discussion will lead to nowhere lol so let's move on

[river sphinx]

She's relevant but it doesn't really put them in a good light when they make it seem too personal of a relationship, it can be seen as them not even bothering giving the new team a chance etc.

i think they could've highlighted why old ador was better than the new ador without focusing that much on mhj herself

but thats just my opinion

[short laurel]

U were saying they are blocked from posting pics...

[river sphinx]

im just talking about the emergency live btw not the court

[bronze talon]

i just think they need/want a break from posting every day/week or updating everyone when its not needed. they want their own free time as well especially in times like these. so just wait it out and be happy about it when they do update us

[sudden tangle]

bc they are, they technically are not allowed or supposed to. their IG stories have technically been against rules

[old cypress]

I think messages are fine

[short laurel]

That's blocking living life. They can't block that much

[storm warren]

it does not operate under promotional name so no it does not violate any rules

[short laurel]

If they can, then korea is fed up country

[sudden tangle]

living life does not include instagram. we are just a world rotted by technology

[storm warren]

touch grass then

[old cypress]

it's not really korea, celebrities are their own brand

[waxen musk]

The injunction restrictions are extremely clear. Yet people (haters included) like to extend those rules to things that include breathing air.

[short laurel]

Using public private accounts is basic, companies can't control that much

[old cypress]

public private is an oxymoron

[empty halo]

I think when they said "living life" they were talking about freedom yknow, the freedom of being able to post pics of themselves w no promo

[short laurel]

Personal accounts. Here happy

[storm warren]

they paying 1b won on each ig story, dont u know? lmfao

[sudden tangle]

but they literally do… they can quite literally get them to sign saying they will not make another IG

[empty halo]

??

[old cypress]

that's not their personal accounts either, it's a public group account

[short laurel]

Just cuz it's in contract doesn't make ot legal

[sudden tangle]

[short laurel]

N it's their personal group account unrelated to ador.

[old cypress]

still a public account lol. Nobody will be "oh it's non-newjeans danielle, totally a different person from newjeans-danielle"

[short laurel]

So just cuz she's celebrity. A company should be able to control what they do online?

[old cypress]

They can always make private accounts only visible to their irl friends

[sudden tangle]

no because she decided to get into that contract

[storm warren]

they will do what they want. yall care too much

[old cypress]

idols are leaving their brand management to their company. This discussion is kinda pointless anyway lol

[sudden tangle]

this is a discussion channel. we are here because we care enough to talk about it. if you don’t like it go away

[storm warren]

you are not the one in legal battle, nor u know their contract. they will mind their business

[tardy smelt]

mhm, i don't blame them. i respect it. but, objectively, this fight would've likely been easier if they endured a little longer. just an answer to your question.

[empty halo]

perhaps

[short laurel]

Who said that. If korea legally allows companies to do this. Then i m sorry it's blocking freedom too much. Korea is bad country for this

[empty halo]

[sudden tangle]

and? this is a place to discuss what’s happening. no one said “i know this is 100% true” we are discussing.

if you don’t like people talking about this stuff why are you in this channel

[storm warren]

companies manage official accounts, they do not manage personal accounts. control freak companies might be doing it tho. njz posts because they can

[short laurel]

I m sorry of someone gets offended but the way i m seeing so much from korea past few years, i don't c it much different from north korea.

[storm warren]

dont quote me idk u

[sudden tangle]

they don’t manage personal accounts because more often than not it is against contract to even have a personal account 😭😭

[short laurel]

Instead of un. It's big companies

[empty halo]

y'all gotta chill chats getting heated

[old cypress]

yeah gotta chill it's just a chat

[storm warren]

you dont know their contact. period.

[short laurel]

Again just cuz it's in contract doesn't make it legal

[sudden tangle]

i’m js chatting idk what’s heated

[old cypress]

having a public instagram account is not a fundamental right lol

[sudden tangle]

😭😭

[tardy smelt]

man, i said one thing about looking forward to them being free to post without court shit in the back of their mind, and the conversation spiralled. serves me right.

[short laurel]

Personal Public account is part of fundamental right of a person to be able to do what they want without restriction

[old cypress]

according to who

[sudden tangle]

mind you there’s whole countries that ban these apps

[short laurel]

According to everyone. Who dares block me from making a personal ig account just cuz i m a celebrity?

[storm warren]

unfortunate discord is not banned in some countries

[sage venture]

that’s exactly what’s stated in Constitution

[empty halo]

personal...... publicly as a group..... different......

[short laurel]

Country ban. N individual ban are 2 different things. N ppl usually don't get fined for using banned apps

[short laurel]

It's still their personal group account unrelated to ador.

[river sphinx]

in conclusion we should free the jeanz and right now is the most underrated b-track in the history of music

[sudden tangle]

it isn’t unrelated, it is them as a group, the group that was formed by ador

[old cypress]

celebrities are wilfully giving away their brand management to the company when they signed the contract. Nobody is blocking them

[sudden tangle]

i honestly doubt they’ll get fined anyway

[short laurel]

N group made separate account n not post about idol activities

[storm warren]

idk what yall issue is. yall mad njz posting on ig stories? i bet they clarified the details over usage on social media. they are fine as long as they do not promote as group. mhdhh is not group, its five individuals sharing one account and posting rarely about their daily lives. they are not promoting shit

[old cypress]

then every idol can make a not-group instagram account and post whatever

[empty halo]

and why don't they just post promotional pics wearing dior? its just them doing a side gig unrelated to ador

[waxen musk]

I'll repeat myself, but these types of discussions contribute to why you probably don't hear from them much these days on their IG.

[short laurel]

N that doesn't limit them from using their personal accounts

[sudden tangle]

no one’s mad they posted stories.. we can just objectively discuss the fact it’s more than likely technically against their contract

[storm warren]

they are obviously careful about the usage of sns, thats why they post rarely. they know what they do better than armchair experts here

[old cypress]

that's just your assumption, we can retort that you don't know them

[river sphinx]

im sure their lawyers would've told them to delete the profile if it was against their contract xd

[stiff prairie]

They won't be replaced. But there will enough new groups with same aesthetics or maybe some other group emerges w big potential. Ppl will eventually move on

[old cypress]

it's not against if they're keeping it to communicate briefly most likely

[storm warren]

okay. im glad to know njz is paying 1b won per ig post. my rich queens

[empty halo]

if it was tho, would they even be posting those occasional stories and would their account not be disabled? they have a legal team guiding them rn

[lapis tendon]

Theyre probably not posting much because its safer to take precautions in the middle of the legal battle etc das it

[river sphinx]

as the person mentioned above they're not promoting or earning money through the instagram so its not against the rule of the court

[sage venture]

there’s no mention of social media in standard contracts Companies may provide guidelines, but that doesn’t give them the right to control you that would directly violate the Constitution

[empty halo]

this chat highkey reads way too much into things (im guilty too)

[river sphinx]

this is literally just it xd

[lapis tendon]

lmao understandable because this whole ordeal is frusterating

[sudden tangle]

honestly dont know but either way they don’t technically have to listen to their legal team so we never know jsjsnddn

just gonna have to stick it out and find out

[empty halo]

i dont think theyre that dumb 😭 maybe it's a loophole in the contract, we dont know. and also apart from that, if mhdhh_friends was a real issue that goes against the contract, you think ador would take that? they'd be paying that 1b won fee rn.

[old cypress]

they listen to their legal team -> they don't post anything but some messages -> but apparently it's not because the legal team told them not to ?

The logic is a bit off here

[tardy smelt]

straight up, it's not that complicated

[storm warren]

imaginations running wild out there

[tardy smelt]

anyway, njz debut nowhere to be seen on the horizon. please let them come back before ww3 ends us all, or before i start pushing 30 and lose the spark of joy in my eyes man.

[sudden tangle]

well as you said, we don’t know. maybe they’ve already discussed it & that’s why they’re more silent now we will find out eventually but idk why it’s so wrong to discuss

[empty halo]

its not a wrong discussion that you're not allowed to have its just people arguing back and feeling like this convo is redundant

[sudden tangle]

whatever’s happening just hope the girls are sticking together

[storm warren]

u sound like a hater who thinks girls are dumb and make dumb decisions neglecting legal advice so i doubt u hope best for them but good to hear

[waxen musk]

Most discussions here are useless and don't change anything.
Some discussions I hope for people to understand what's going on a bit better but even that I'm a bit sceptical of.

[river sphinx]

round 2 it is i guess

[sudden tangle]

are you five years old

[old cypress]

you gotta chill a little bit

[storm warren]

maybe

[storm warren]

did it hit too close to home

[sudden tangle]

me when i’m unhinged & off my meds

[storm warren]

[subtle matrix]

Can you guys leave the infighting for later

[sudden tangle]

this is completely on one person

[compact creek]

so basically injuction decision shouldnt get my hopes up because the main court case will have more diligence(?)

[empty halo]

yeah were having important discussions that are gonna change the course of history rn (its a joke don't jump me the fighting should stop)

[old cypress]

lol

[storm warren]

says the one who says technically in every two sentences to prove their point which lacks basic common sense

[subtle matrix]

The framing is just different due to the nature of each process

[river sphinx]

at the end of the day their lawyers should be stressing over this not fans on discord who barely knows whats going on lmao just end it here

[compact creek]

[subtle matrix]

The person you mention is not the person throwing accusations of others being haters

It's fine to disagree without putting into question whether others are loyal enough or not

[bronze talon]

yea lol
i mean sure you could read into it or can be informed about legal stuff but we wont ever know everything thats going on in court hence why i refuse to talk about it in detail much myself

[sudden tangle]

that’s exactly what they are doing what

[subtle matrix]

Oh sorry I misread who you were replying to lmaoooo

[sudden tangle]

LOL

[river sphinx]

fr i don't get paid to stress over this imma just trust the girls and their team

[bronze talon]

yur

[storm warren]

idk if anyone is loyal enough or not, but i can tell from a mile when someone does not have basic respect for the girls and resorts to making baseless assumptions as if the girls dont have whole legal team advising them and are not informed about what they should do about their sns or not. they rebranded their sns to mhdhh for a reason anyways.

but i digress. thanks for such thought provoking discussion

[compact creek]

https://tenor.com/view/haerin-looking-to-side-해린-시선-옆-gif-14158516901553176495

[empty halo]

what a content drought does to a fandom

[sudden tangle]

it’s just interesting to discuss the other angle dude. ur acting like this has any impact

bro is acting like i personally reported the IG account myself out here

[old cypress]

the legal team advised them and the girls are not posting pictures. Conclusion = ?

[waxen musk]

Hanni last posted Stories on the 7th.

[old cypress]

just messages no?

[sudden tangle]

stories last 24 hours. bit different

i don’t think it’s a coincidence they never decided to create a folder for them or anything

[storm warren]

they listen to their legal advisors, not armchair legal experts

[compact creek]

this is frying me 😭😭😭

[old cypress]

yes and after listening to their legal advisors, they're not posting pictures or selfies

[subtle matrix]

Me acting like an appeaser here is such a low move I apologise

[daring stone]

I think it’s fair to say you can argue their legal team advised them not to post or it’s fair to say they’re just not posting because they don’t want to right now, the assumption that celebrities aren’t allowed to post on their socials without their companies permission is unfair seems kinda like dragging it, I think it’s a well known common practice in the industry that companies have access to celebrities’ official accounts, the company probably has no access to this side/personal account, but no one knows the specific details of their contract, everyone is just assuming at this point, but it’s def not out of the ordinary for a company to be in charge of someone’s social media

[waxen musk]

♻️

[old cypress]

we had plenty of idols talking about that matter and saying it's the company decision. Like idols wanting to have solo instagram accounts and companies saying not yet. It's common knowledge atp

[river sphinx]

literally got people arguing over instagram posts

[empty halo]

*stories

[river sphinx]

even worse

[waxen musk]

Why does the distinction between Posts and Stories matter?

[sudden tangle]

no one but yall is arguing. i’m sorry if you can’t just discuss things without it being an argument

[storm warren]

idk what point you are making genuinely. they consulted w their legal team, clarified restrictions and rebranded ig to mhdhh which is personal account for 5 individuals. they have only ever posted ig stories since then. they are on hiatus which means they are minimizing their activity as much as possible, even telling fans not to post their pics together when they accidentally meet them, etc. does that mean they are forbidden to use ig? no.

[opaque flicker]

lana they calling u a fake fan in here im crying

[sudden tangle]

bro is loosing it

[storm warren]

me when i cant argue back

[sage venture]

there are many things idols do or don't, not because they’re illegal, but because that’s what they’re told to do Is this that hard to understand?

[old cypress]

nobody said they're forbidden to use ig

[sudden tangle]

i literally replied to my friend

[opaque flicker]

why are yall arguing in the first place

just let it go brah

[sudden tangle]

bc bro is 12 and doesn’t know the difference between discussion and argument

[tardy smelt]

so. Bunnies Camp '25 in less than 2 weeks now, right? who's excited. 😀

[storm warren]

they dont post bc they are on hiatus. they are good girls respecting court's decision and starving that damned contract as they should

[storm warren]

as long as you know it, all is good here

[opaque flicker]

alr u can move on now

dont go any further ab it

[sudden tangle]

slow

[opaque flicker]

you too

[sudden tangle]

you acting like you don’t know i wanna say more

[opaque flicker]

well stop giving in further then 😭

[subtle matrix]

I wasn't the one misbehaving today can I get a cookie

[waxen musk]

I keep typing random letters and deleting it to make it seem like I'm typing something important and long but I'm not.

[sudden tangle]

that was a compliment in comparison

[river sphinx]

guess this is where my free entertainment ends

[compact creek]

man

[subtle matrix]

ty @bronze talon

[bronze talon]

np

[waxen musk]

Now wot...

[tardy smelt]

mods said no fun allowed

[empty halo]

LMFOWODPSOPD

[river sphinx]

fr

[subtle matrix]

Let's start another fight top 3 newjeans songs 1 cookie 2 attention 3 how sweet any other answer is wrong

[river sphinx]

bubblegum alone clears

[bronze talon]

eeeeeerm
Why is how sweet not 1st
list

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/newji-new-jeans-attention-attention-mv-new-jeans-attention-mv-gif-26269816

[old cypress]

attention clears

[waxen musk]

I won't lie, I would like to think it's easy to just try to forget about NJZ until they do come back, but it's impossible. I want to listen to their music all the time. I see them in advertisements when I go outside. They're always on my mind.

[tardy smelt]

finally, another bubble gum truther

[old cypress]

start a minecraft world and rebuild all the njz mv sets

[river sphinx]

for your own mental health take a break if its actually affecting you that bad

[old cypress]

Worst case, they lose but they'll probably pay the penalty and debut anyway

[empty halo]

underrated banger
U JUST GOT MY HEART PUMP PUMPIN

[waxen musk]

Not sure how what I said warrants you to say that, but thanks, and everyone else too should take care.

[bronze talon]

hopefully some settlement on the penalty if that will be the case
surely its not bazillion of moneys they gotta pay 😭

[waxen musk]

First GIF I've favourited in a long time.

[subtle matrix]

bubblegum is a chorus merchant

[empty halo]

okay but.... Attention, Super Shy or ETA

[bronze talon]

all 3

[waxen musk]

What is this "or" word?

[empty halo]

FACTSTSTSTSTSTAIFJKSKCKSKFKF

DITTO CLEARS GOD

[subtle matrix]

Why didn't you reply with 'ditto', missed opportunity

[daring stone]

Me when I’m immature and can’t civilly discuss a topic

[empty halo]

GIRL ITS OVER STOP

[bronze talon]

yea put the fries in the bag brodie

[compact creek]

right now how sweet newjeans

[subtle matrix]

Ditto and Super Shy are honestly near the bottom of my favourite newjeans songs and I swear it's not because I'm being a hipster

[storm warren]

its all good as long as there are plenty of mature members here take care of immature me in the future uwu

[bronze talon]

bruh i deadass thought your name is this redbull juneberry flavour for a sec there 💀 @compact creek

[compact creek]

had redbull once but made my stomach burn istg

[bronze talon]

[river sphinx]

idk maybe i read your msg wrong but what i meant is that if the girls situation is affecting you badly its not a healthy sign and that its okay to take a step back for your own mental health and that it doesn't make you any less of a fan

[empty halo]

I just realised that despite being active in this thread for the past few months idk anyone here, usually you're e-married in discord time by this point

[short laurel]

1 Ditto
2 Omg
3 Hype Boy
4(Bonus) How sweet

[river sphinx]

everyone who doesn't have bubblegum, cool with you and right now in their list is simply wrong

[bronze talon]

me when the battle is this and both would be the winner

[waxen musk]

I agree. I hope everyone does. But what I said in that message wasn't an indication of it affecting me.
I am sad about today. I've said that over and over.
But it really doesn't feel any different from what we've all been through before. I know I and everyone else can get through it.
I was just saying that it would be nice to pretend they didn't exist so I wouldn't have these worries about how the girls are doing, as horrible as that sounds. But like I said, there's absolutely no stopping me from thinking about them every day. And that's because I want to.

[short laurel]

I have bubble gum at 5th

[river sphinx]

well move it up by 4

[bronze talon]

basically
how sweet slightly above but i could place them both at 1st as well

[subtle matrix]

I can't, people would murder me when they saw where OMG and Ditto ended up

[waxen musk]

I keep going with Ditto being no.1 and the 2024 songs being no.2-no.5. But I have no idea tbh. It changes all the time. Ditto at no.1 pretty much never changes but everything else does.

[neon igloo]

Cool with you is a masterpiece

[bronze talon]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-flint-and-steel-gif-4491320584761369279

[empty halo]

1. ditto and attention
2. super shy
3. bubblegum
4. supernatural
5. ASAP

[waxen musk]

Cool With You is consistently lower on my list than a lot of people's.

[empty halo]

why is supernatural so underrated am i the only one who gets it 😔

[waxen musk]

BUT I think the vocals are some of their best and the MVs are like top 3.

[subtle matrix]

naw

[bronze talon]

i didnt fw omg much back then
its still not high up there but im getting so used to it to a point where i def enjoy it more than before

[empty halo]

finally

[waxen musk]

That's the problem with ranking their songs. Do you rank it based on the song alone, or do you rank it as a whole package, MV included?
Because I listen to their music way more than I watch their MVs, I tend to rank based on music.

[bronze talon]

song lol

[empty halo]

yknow ive noticed listening to instrumentals for some songs makes you appreciate them more, OMG's instrumental is really nice you should give it a listen

[short laurel]

How sweet is 4

[subtle matrix]

I'm ranking on music alone but MVs probably affect my opinion

[empty halo]

top MV is ditto it clears sorry. Its simple but SO effective.

[neon igloo]

yep I’m so in love with the story in mv. The song feels completely different and you start to understand its deeper meaning

[bronze talon]

take this for example, cookie and ditto remix are just peak too

[river sphinx]

this list doesn't even do their discography justice

[empty halo]

where these christmas specials bc they're so christmas-y

[bronze talon]

yea basically

[waxen musk]

With K-pop specifically, I think it's a bit silly to rank everything by limiting yourself and saying only the music counts. Because K-pop isn't just music, it's dance, visuals, MVs. That's what makes it unique.

[tardy smelt]

i've been addicted to Haerin's lines in the Cookie FRNK remix lately

[subtle matrix]

#6

[bronze talon]

i rly appreciate the instrumental on that one tho
its so vibey idk what it is

[empty halo]

ohhh cooool. reminds me of this incredible remix https://youtu.be/uLX6WUNLMM0?feature=shared

[river sphinx]

i need them to drop the remixes from the mma2023 performance

[bronze talon]

oh this is niiiice

lately been coming back to this again
nice mix imo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgsHaygEUsY

[river sphinx]

https://youtu.be/MfO1FenJbKI?t=204 this ETA remix... i will not forget u

[bronze talon]

this is how i got into njz btw

[tardy smelt]

can we talk about wtf is up with the name of the album, NJWMX - does it stand for NewJeans Winter Mix? i might've just realised that now.

[bronze talon]

ofc i knew them before through what are you listening to type videos in korea in early 2023 but that video made me take over

[subtle matrix]

idk I always read it as NJMIXX

[tardy smelt]

i can never remember what the right letters are unless i look it up lol

[bronze talon]

newjeans winter mix

[river sphinx]

saw the light

[lapis tendon]

Ditto is objectively their best song sorry

[old cypress]

lots of people saying sorry here

[subtle matrix]

fite me irl

[bronze talon]

probably
but if youre a more uplift music type person then some people will disagree
just looking at it u might be right

[stable escarp]

Huh so they lost? I saw yall typing so much and was like whaa happened and boom jumpscare.

[bronze talon]

ye just a temporary loss for the moment

[lapis tendon]

The appeal got dismissed but main trial still on

[stable escarp]

At least they'll win the main suit

[river sphinx]

it is but thats just a fact so not worth arguing over

[empty halo]

peaceful chat that's crazy

[bronze talon]

[sudden tangle]

basic but. ditto & hype boy>

[river sphinx]

i need to riot ador to find the usb with the eta remix

[sudden tangle]

dani’s boyEEee is engraved into my skull

[empty halo]

me w all the dance breaks i need those damn audios, IN HIGH QUALITY

[river sphinx]

have y'all heard this one tho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3OStfBF0_g&ab_channel=psalmon

[subtle matrix]

Will be released by the MHJ spies people are imagining lately

[river sphinx]

well can they hurry up they're not really doing a good job

[sudden tangle]

bro & the bunnies camp solos

[lapis tendon]

Right right

[bronze talon]

#newjeans-chat message
i know its not the remixes we get on stages but its something

[empty halo]

거짓말 안 할래
너도 말해
Attention we should pay
To what is coming through

[river sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3WwO-wGzcs&ab_channel=psalmon

[sudden tangle]

imagine they’ve just been cooking up like 50 songs

[bronze talon]

if someone needs the flac ver./high quality of a song let me know

[sudden tangle]

[tardy smelt]

i doubt they'd be doing it for free. but Hanni's cooking something for sure. they might win, or they might rack up a debt. SoundCloudJeans worst case scenario (for us), surely.

[waxen musk]

I've thought about this and the fact that this lawsuit has no certain outcome surely means that a lot of people on their team are also uncertain about putting in their full resources for something that might not see the light of day for years. I have no expectations for them to be secretly working on anything right now.

[waxen musk]

I saw you post them all individually the other day and I couldn't download them at the time. I'd love to have all of the FLACs please and thank you! (Where were they sourced from?)

[river sphinx]

i'm pretty sure they mentioned something about practice and stuff recently so they probably still are doing stuff

[sudden tangle]

i like to think NJZ team was passionate enough about what they do for them to still be working on stuff tbh

need my delulu pills

[tardy smelt]

actually, worst case scenario (for us), they find another passion during hiatus, give up on this dream, and move on with their lives. 🗿

[sudden tangle]

let’s not put that into the atmosphere..

[bronze talon]

all diff sites
but let me post them in the njz chat once again (its gonna be a lot of music files and itll take up some space

[compact creek]

love their remixes

[river sphinx]

if njz can't cook rn can olivia at least drop another ep or smth bc meanwhile was a banger

[waxen musk]

No Interstellar release though.

[river sphinx]

didn't have to remind of us that

[waxen musk]

[river sphinx]

same

[empty halo]

its a damn DROUGHT

[hollow sorrel]

the difference in quality and style TT

[waxen musk]

I'm gonna be contrarian and say it is exactly the same style. But this opinion isn't going to get us anywhere and serves no purpose.

[empty halo]

you'd expect for the "CLIP" to have a better and more sleek font in line w the other fonts

[waxen musk]

I disagree and was going to explain why but there's no point. I'm not on ADOR's side I don't want to defend their actions. Them releasing these videos of the girls being happy from a time they were with the people who cared for them feels really weird to watch. It feels like stuff we aren't supposed to see. Almost like some thief hacking into a server and getting all the raw footage that we never were inteded to see. Of course the contents of the video aren't harmful to share, but it still feels invasive.

Now that I got the FLACs and listening to the music yet again, I'm wondering when I'll ever get sick of their music.

Stop trying to get me to explain myself.

[empty halo]

its SO cartoonish

[subtle matrix]

Same style but bit lower quality imo. Lack of gradient in the coloured shape separates it from the others and font is weak. However I don't think it's like way worse than the other logos, just a couple of touch ups and it's virtually indistinguishable from the older material

[old cypress]

they also used a cartoon font for the clip word so the style is quite different but eh it's really meaningless

[copper jetty]

Well, imo that "just a couple of touch ups" is actually what makes the difference in quality between the fonts from before and after. 🤷‍♀️

I just got caught up with all the yapping here..

[subtle matrix]

Yeah like I said it's lower quality, but not a huge departure in style imo

[subtle matrix]

Each logo has a different font, I wouldn't say this font specifically is out of place here

It's just a bit ugly lol

[old cypress]

i would because the others are retro and this one is cartoon/comic

[hollow sorrel]

the old ones are inspired by Attention era and the new ones are kinda like How Sweet era idk

[copper jetty]

Naaah.. how sweet font was definitely cartoonish but it still had taste and style. This clip one, no...

[sudden tangle]

even the colour is boring

[vale grove]

I would say maybe 24 songs at most for a full album, even then that’s a lot!

[sudden tangle]

lol i don’t mean for one album just in general

[vale grove]

While this isn’t the best case for us, and while I would be SUPER depressed they left this world. I would rather them be happy and no longer give us any music than to be unhappy. So yeah. If this does happen well. I’ll be okay with that.

The world of music I should clarify lol it sounds like I said they were dying omg

[vale grove]

Ahhh okok so like a few comebacks prepared!!

[short laurel]

Style is same but implementation is poor.

[short laurel]

Few touch ups can be difference between 10$ work n 99999999999$ work.

[rugged dagger]

there's no gradient either lol

it's very different

[rugged dagger]

how'd you get these

[wraith cove]

what is this yall explain

[hollow sorrel]

from what I understand Jeans' Clip is a new video series on youtube on NewJeans' channel

it was basically a 7 minute video full of older clips like the bubble gum music video shoot or the seasons' greetings photoshoot

people are pointing out how the timing is really weird considering they lost the appeal today and ADOR might try to manipulate the public into thinking they are back at ADOR

[wraith cove]

ADOR LOST TODAYS APPEAL?

[hollow sorrel]

unfortunately NJZ lost the appeal against ADOR

[wraith cove]

damn

what is this media manipulation?

cant newjeans just find ONE person that can help them prove their claims

why is everyone against them egh

[wraith cove]

||~~***newjeans will win***~~||

[heady gate]

South Korea judges don't oppose those in power.
If BSH is down, the girls will win their case.

[wraith cove]

whats bsh please?

[subtle matrix]

Bang Si Hyuk

[heady gate]

The founder of HYBE Co

[wraith cove]

how would the CEO of hybe be down