NJZ Updates and Discussion

[storm warren]

its not also about production abilities, its about A&R and executive producer

any producer is headless chicken without executive producer and competent A&R

groups' music output varies based on their A&R and executive producer

[rain spade]

Actually why did ador wanted so called evidence from a totally differentt case a

[storm warren]

probably to talk about MHJ again

KKT chats is the only evidence hybe, source etc have. its truly hilarious

[short laurel]

To keep insisting that they took mhj kkt with consent when mhj the owner of kkt dk how hybe got it.

Why there's not enough focus on hybe illegally storing employees private msges

[sage venture]

anyway let’s see how ADOR/HYBE justify this formal request the judge approved

1. was there a board meeting around the time the exclusive contract was signed, deciding to delegate everything except contract parties, duration, and settlement terms to former CEO MHJ?
2. was there any discussion or explanation about the potential impact on NewJeans’ activities before or around the time MHJ was dismissed?
3. did the board actively and voluntarily take any measures regarding groups copying NewJeans’ concept?

It’s going to be tough for them to answer Anyone following this case from the start already knows the answers
no wonder they couldn’t answer on the spot and said they’ll submit the documents later

[hollow sorrel]

also I'm pretty sure the audit of ADOR was unethical since you definitely need some kind of approval to just check people's devices, but not much is known about the audit itself?

[sage venture]

the problem is that most of the MHJ's kkt was illegally taken without consent from laptops she had already returned Also some were taken from laptops where consent was initially forced from other staff but later withdrawn, so those are also illegal

[chilly fable]

Was Hitchhiker involved in the Brand Synergy Team that caused issues with OG ADOR?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/hitchhiker-65384bb3/

[short laurel]

shame on him to go against mhj even after working with her for so long

[subtle matrix]

I still don't know why this hasn't been used by Sejong? Wouldn't this one of the few issues that NJZ actually has strong proof of?

Although I'm not sure the role of "synergy supervisor" has anything to do with the brand synergy team that was involved in the alleged dealing with LV

[short laurel]

wasn't that case from be4 newjeans debuted. i remember court saying something like it's on ado ot raise issue not newjeans something like that.

[subtle matrix]

Hyein only became brand ambassador for LV in December 2022 so no

It happened some time in 2023

[storm warren]

he has nothing to do with brand synergy. it is probably related to hybe im

expert of how to use AI in music i guess

[bronze talon]

So authentic

[storm warren]

they could not use other labels producers bc they all sent petitions to court during MHJ first injunction

[short laurel]

I hybe im was game company. But it's midnatt's label?

Mhj needs a tech advisor honestly. Kkt getting leaked is a huge issue n no one focused on it as much.

[late ether]

where can i find updates regarding the legal battle?

[hoary frost]

I don't get it

[hoary frost]

really...?

[empty halo]

HELL NAAAAAAA

[short laurel]

MIDNATT is the AI music. singer sings in one language and AI turn it into different language and hybe released them all last year.

[upbeat stream]

I wonder when we'll get the appeal date. We got too hopeful of an early date due to team bunnies' statement. For comparison, 5 Loona members who lost their injunction on January 23rd won the appeal on June 16th, we don't know when the hearing was. And they didn't have to file an objection. So we should only count from April 16th (that was when the objection ruling came out iirc)

[old cypress]

soon^tm

[hollow sorrel]

appeal is taking longer because it goes to a higher court and the higher court judges are selected by the president who was replaced

so I'm guessing the new president is going to replace some judges and sort things out and only after that we will get the date

[empty halo]

if the new president chooses the judges then we can be more hopeful :>

[upbeat stream]

The high court division has already been decided, I think it's pretty unlikely to be changed

[polar owl]

Wake me up when September ends...

[old cypress]

I don't think this is the case lol

[arctic egret]

is the new pd thing real??? that shit is so ass icl 😭 😭

sounds like a cat wailing on repeat

[old cypress]

Last year tokkis were saying mhj was not necessary and newjeans would still have amazing songs under hybe lol

[arctic egret]

[empty halo]

hitchhiker has made some iconic songs for RV and f(x) so ntm on him, but I don't think he's produced hits in years

does he even know hybe wanted him to produce for nwjns 🥀 💔

https://x.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1930635625553621206?t=RPK-BC5NRSswd6eN7d5ILQ&s=33

About Music (@AboutMusicYT)

aespa's label reveals that multiple individuals have received prison sentences of 3 to 5 years and probation sentences for charges including defamation.

X · Jun 5, 2025, 2:39 PM

highkey need this for njz, the amount of defamation, lies, xenophobia and hatred has crossed so many limits

[short laurel]

ador don't care enough to do this. they'll say they are doing it when it's team bunnies who did it. but ador will never take real action

[wanton flint]

can simeone explained to me what happened in second hearing

[empty halo]

yeah I want njz's team to do this, obviously ador is not doing shit

[empty halo]

https://youtu.be/PTiZlrbLNns?feature=shared

[wanton flint]

ok but why does the trial take so long wdym july 24th, are court cases usually like this??

[empty halo]

well apparently civil lawsuits are rather slow, since they're not considered emergencies

but as soon as the injunction appeal (which is separate from the lawsuit) results come out, they can probably resume activities

[upbeat stream]

I mean, assuming they win (which I'm not confident about)

[empty halo]

oh yeah, assuming they win which is lowk up in the air at this point

[polar owl]

This is relatively fast compared to many other countries.

[polar owl]

The way injunction is proceeding - the main lawsuit might wrap up prior to it 😞

[subtle matrix]

Don't worry the lawsuit will get appealed too

[upbeat stream]

We'll get a date in July probably. And since it's still an injunction case, the court will rule quickly. If I had to guess, ruling by August

[split shoal]

so were still good right??

[heady gate]

They are good. Check out the new court schedule. It is pinned.

[split shoal]

okay

[ashen charm]

this will at least take 18 months minimum and thats if theres a settlement

[wary creek]

today i saw reddit post titled: "MHJ KakaoTalk logs were released!" moderator took the images down but OP did comment this youtube link https://www.youtube.com/live/TzYLRlg_Gz8

[short laurel]

Yea that account. He just forges evidence. He did it last time too. Don't trust him

How can he get hands on evidence that only hybe has obtained Illegally.

[upbeat stream]

It's kinda funny how nobody cares about this kkt bullshit anymore

[bronze talon]

bc it doesnt matter plus they may have realised that it was easy to see it was edited

[short laurel]

Hybe storing n taking employees private kkt is a serious matter which is being ignored. U can't say it doesn't matter. 😭

[frozen granite]

Wait each member was fined ?

[short laurel]

No

[subtle matrix]

No, court just set the fines if they go against the injunction ruling

[wary creek]

oh man the misinformation is wild

i'm use to trusting reddit for links to accurate news 😂

[short laurel]

Kpop reddit is the least trusted source. Actually any reddit aside from tech guides are least trusted source

[wary creek]

yeahh on reddit there's lot of chatter on mhj kkt log release and how njz have no new evidence for the court

i'll unfollow for now

[frozen granite]

I got it from here that’s why I asked

[short laurel]

Nha man. Misinformation in this server. Whats everyone doing not correcting that

[pulsar wasp]

so we’re waiting till end of July

[chilly fable]

It was brought up in the injunction but the judge just dismissed it in the ruling, since they didn't raise any objections regarding trust issues at that time when MHJ was CEO.

[chilly fable]

Yeah, you're right. It is likely a seperate team.

[dull geyser]

there was a news article recently with a very misleading headline

it was this one, people dont bother to read properly though

the article says they weren't fined because it's only for future breaches but people love to ignore that

[fleet nebula]

clickbait gets clicks

[clear hill]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSBKHEJK/ what the fuck is wrong with people??? That’s psychopathic and INSANE

[cosmic belfry]

lol i did minor snooping and found the original reddit comment. if it makes anyone feel better, their NBA team choked and lost today. good karma

[stable escarp]

Ah so that reddit comment cursed my team aight

I hope serious karma curses those hate redditors

[dull geyser]

bro wtaf

also was there anything new in the second court hearing im a bit behind

[hoary frost]

Lol these people seriously have parasocial relationship to the company 🤣

But anyways njz is not returning to hybe/frauddor 🙂 they should be worried about this for their own groups

[hoary frost]

this is just projection. only groups being bled dry right now are their beloved hybe "core of hybe" family 🤣

[mild mist]

"If I were hybe I'd give them a killer schedule" - which they would not agree to, so none of the rest of this delusional fantasy would happen

[short laurel]

Sad thing is that all this already happening in hybe n in kpop.

Like how dumb is this user. Can't they c their fav very clearly overworked. All the stories about control over their favs every actions. N very minimum compensation.

Yet they go on reddit n want hybe to do this more. Hybe is already doing all this bch

[hoary frost]

u know what I just saw, relating to their thing about no collab with hybe groups lol
Clip of sunoo from enhypen and he said that he wnated to do challenge with illit but schedule never "lined up" (despite they are in same company) and then said he thinks the company is blocking it (ofc said in a joking way but 🧐 )

[short laurel]

Not even from sister label but from same label. And it's been over a year since illit debuted. N yet they couldn't find enough free time to do a dance challenge?

[hoary frost]

Exactly what im thinking lol...probably the thing about company blocking he said is true

[short laurel]

Also about karina. I saw panchao post that her original ig post had another picture with blue nails n blue plate

[hoary frost]

Yea lol i saw. well i think this thing is overplayed by now...people have gone too far with it to spread their own agendas

Sad to see gg fans hating eachother so much

[short laurel]

https://n.news.naver.com/article/015/0005141362?lfrom=twitter

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1930826503320637926

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

for today's #JAILBANGPD and #HybeDownfall2025 news.. looks like bangpd is getting cooked that even hybe's founding member former vice president choi yujung said, “there was absolutely no talk regarding the listing."
hybe better blame someone or its jail time for this fraudster.

X · Jun 6, 2025, 3:18 AM

[stable escarp]

PLEASE PLEASE LOCK HIM UP

[short laurel]

Can u give me link. I wanna note down all the ppl who agreed to this statement

[hoary frost]

go to kpop uncensored subreddit and u will see too many to count

or maybe this was from nj drama subreddit. not sure. But there is way too many to count.

there was some very weird post in kpop uncensored as well with weird and crazy facial expressoin pseudo science with 200 upvotes

[short laurel]

Aah i m looking for this one specifically. Not wanna read other dumb ones.

Simce this one is going around on twt n tiktok

[hoary frost]

it is ontwitter?

[short laurel]

I saw it this morning. Just the pic but not link to the post

[hoary frost]

i would look for it but don't want to dig thru those subreddits

[subtle matrix]

Probably, that sub is particularly crazy against njz

[short laurel]

Oo god there's njdrama subreddit? They hate girls so much that they made a subreddit on it.

[subtle matrix]

Yeah they made it because they thought kpop_uncensored mods were biased for njz

Actually I think it was more like every njz related post was getting mass reported until it was deleted but mods got the criticism anyway

[short laurel]

There's not a single subreddit that is biased for njz.

Is the subreddit reported to Teambunnies?

@twilit lark c this how far haters going #1231839760759263232 message

[bronze jetty]

i reported r/njdrama to sejong

[hoary frost]

calling kpop uncensored bias tonjz when it has the most insane comments ever...i dont have them on me now but they were as unhinged as this one

[hoary frost]

reddit hasabunch of htese gossip subreddits

Ofc mostly made about women tho

[hoary frost]

they were crying cause some lsf and illit post got taken down because of mass reports

[bronze jetty]

yeah snark subreddits, taylor swift has one and swifties tried to get it shut down but they can’t

[hoary frost]

It would be very hard to get it to shut down

[bronze jetty]

snark subreddits are hard to get shut down unless there is proof that the people in there are threatening them 😭 meghan markle has one too

[hoary frost]

Yeah thats why i think its sort of pointless to report to teambunines or sejeong

[empty halo]

Meghan Markle seems like the most obvious target for a snark subreddit old white people absolutely despise her to their core

njz too, they're in hot waters rn, we just can't do anything about this

and it's REDDIT we're talking about one of the most uncontrolled and shit places of all on the internet

[short laurel]

https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1930957217890525375?t=CTh72S9iQQcdjme2U52w6w&s=19

This story is spreading rn

webelieveingwarosa (@webelieveinbots)

ANOTHER CASE OF WHAT HAPPENED TO MHJ?
“I WAS FORCED OUT OF THE COMPANY”
former BigHit Entertainment employee, Elly, has come forward with a detailed account of how she was pressured out of the company just before a major stock windfall that enriched her former colleagues,

X · Jun 6, 2025, 11:57 AM

[bronze jetty]

the kardashians have one, blackpink and albume, so many of them 😭

[short laurel]

There was that employee whose work wasn't credited n now this one.
N mhj.
Total 2 employees insulted n forced out by hybe dogs.

N 7 female idols. That we know of

[subtle matrix]

Who is the 6th?

[hoary frost]

maybe that girl from dream academy

[empty halo]

most public figures do

people are miserable

[short laurel]

Garam

[short laurel]

I forgot about that. 7.

[subtle matrix]

A stretch

[short laurel]

It so bad. Especially with a minor in njz.

[empty halo]

aren't there internal reports of hybe exploiting the garam situation for more attention

[short laurel]

They used her case for lsfm. Didn't protect her at all. It's not a stretch

[subtle matrix]

It is a stretch

And so is what you're saying now

[empty halo]

and then they kicked her out, being aware of her innocence when she was 16

[short laurel]

Their own report admits that they used her.

[empty halo]

girlypop have you read the report

[subtle matrix]

I have read the translations

[empty halo]

I think the entire world including fearnots would agree that Garam was fucked over by hybe

[subtle matrix]

They could've handled it better for sure

[short laurel]

Some fearnots. They still come to hate on her on her ig

[subtle matrix]

I disagree that they fucked her over

[empty halo]

were you a kpop stan when the garam scandal was happening? If not I don't think you can grasp the scale and intensity of what was going on, that "better handling" could've saved a career and the mental health of a 16 year old child

[hoary frost]

how ? she trained for that moment and put in a lot of effort for it to all go down the drain for something false

[empty halo]

it was the karina scandal but make it probably 15x more widespread and intense, and *barely a few defenders

[subtle matrix]

Yes I would argue that the false accuser fucked her over more than anything

[hoary frost]

Oh i do agree with this alot. i was thinking this when kpop fans were talking about how everyone did this and that but really the false accusors are the ones most at fault to me as well

still a company has responsibility to carry out and the report shows their attitude to this

[empty halo]

well fucking obviously?? but then the company, that like other kpop companies, promised to create and protect her career from when she was a trainee only tried for a week or two to defend her, then gave up, used her case for publicity and dropped the career they promised her. would you seriously not say hybe didn't fuck her over even a little bit?

Idk about you but MULTIPLE other idols have had very intense and huge bullying scandals. they were proven innocent eventually and carried on w their careers in the group, this could have been the case w garam too

[subtle matrix]

I already said I think they could've handled it better for sure. Maybe they could've salvaged the situation entirely, who knows? But in my opinion saying they fucked her over is a stretch

[hoary frost]

who else had such a big bullying scandal (from female idols)

[short laurel]

https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1924264047702372680?t=lwHMw0oY_t6G2z6K2wisMA&s=19
Read the whole thing

XOXO 🤍 GG (@thegreatgaram)

“HYBE fought for Garam”

Meanwhile, HYBE:
- bullying rumors will ultimately boost popularity
- ppl thinking Garam was kicked out of IVE/talked shit about IVE will forge a rivalry that’ll have fans talking!
- G’s meetings w/ WY = content
- G’s notoriety > NMIXX’s SY

X · May 19, 2025, 12:41 AM

[empty halo]

felix from skz isn't a female idol but he had a major one, another one that comes to mind is karina of aespa. It was during pre-debut or debut era, she was accused of bullying but the accusations were cleared up. also SM does not play about lawsuits and misinformation about aespa so there's that too

[hoary frost]

felix? wasnt it hyunjin

but its quite different for bgs ig. karina got cleared up fast

[old cypress]

there was a similar story from last year, is it the same person?

[empty halo]

oh mb i got them confused they look similar to me 😭

[empty halo]

very fast, SM's pr works overtime for aespa lmao

[short laurel]

Idk. I think it's different person. Last year one was about not getting her works credit right? Or is it the same one?

[mild mist]

the thing that surprised me about this was how much the 'fans' were desperate for source to cast her aside so that she didn't 'drag the others down'

[old cypress]

same story, worked at big hit and did very well but got pressured to resign right before the stock split

[short laurel]

Ohk. Then 2 female employees hybe fed up that we know of.

[hoary frost]

In my opinion hybe did try to defend garam at first. i don't think they had it out for her or something. but they failed to show conviction and upon seeing the mass response used her for clout and ignored garam's friends as well who were trying tohelp prove her innocnet. A company should be showing proper conviction with their artists

[old cypress]

garam literally gave all the evidence to hybe and they decided to do nothing

[old cypress]

I'm gonna assume it's the same person

[empty halo]

I agree, initially when they thought this wasn't that big of a deal they did defend her but when they felt like it was "too much" for them they said "welp fuck u girl deal w it yourself" and she was gone from lsrfm

[subtle matrix]

I have already read everything there. Do not automatically assume that someone who has a different opinion is simply uninformed

[hoary frost]

I think sadly knets still have negative view of her...hopefully she can have a decent acting career

[short laurel]

Different opinion on something that hybe reports admits. Okay....

[empty halo]

do they ¿?
she already has like 900k likes on a singular post and her innocence was proven, I haven't observed knets disliking her tbh

atleast a few hundred thousands of those likes must be from korea

[hoary frost]

I was looking at some of her content. and comment from iternational fan were responding in apolegtic way but korean comments ewre mor e like, i know she's a bully but shes talented type of comments

[subtle matrix]

Well that is a lie

https://www.soompi.com/article/1527206wpp/hybe-releases-detailed-statement-regarding-le-sserafims-kim-garams-school-violence-allegations-kim-garam-to-temporarily-halt-activities

[empty halo]

when was this from?

[hoary frost]

like some recent 1year to 4 months old comments etc

[subtle matrix]

HYBE/Source Music literally released a statement outlining exactly what happened

[hoary frost]

i mean idk why knets would go out of hteir way to hate her now. but i kinda feel like their opinion isnt too good

[empty halo]

oh I see, after her re-entering the public sphere though she's on the news again. Im assuming most kpop fans are clear about it by this point

[hoary frost]

because unlike international fans especially there wasn't any comment feeling bad for what they did etc, comments were in a different tone, not hate exactly but it was quite a diff response

[hoary frost]

hopefully

Soojin solo also did quite well...sales were above 100k from what i remember

[short laurel]

We already said that hybe initially did tried protecting her. It was later they suddenly abandon her while hate against her was spreading wildly. N internal report says they used that for noise marketting.

[plain ingot]

Alright sounds like we have lots of bad news

[subtle matrix]

I'm replying to a comment that says hybe did nothing

[empty halo]

basic timeline :
April 5 Garam is announced a member of lsrfm
April 5-6 allegations surface on online communities
April 6 soumu releases a statement defending her
April 7 hybe/soumu release another statement defending her
May 2 lsrfm debuts w Garam
May 16 victim and law firm release statement
May 19 Garam's lawyers release a statement addressing her punishment from the school bullying committe
May 20 Garam put on hiatus, her career w lsrfm basically over, and HYBE/soumu goes silent on her case
June she departs from lsrfm (officially)

[old cypress]

Yes after that statement garam presented more evidence to hybe to clear her name and hybe did nothing with it

[empty halo]

after reading this timeline, personally I can see soumu letting her and the team they hired for her dealing w the situation and not involving themselves post literally April, there was only 1 statement made defending her post her debut in May

[old cypress]

And let's be real, we all saw what Hybe can do with mediaplay. They could've cleared Garam's name if they wanted to. They did nothing because they thought lesserafim would get the aespa effect and used garam for noise marketing. They admitted it in the internal reports. In a world where the idol's image is paramount, Hybe already fucked her over the moment they decided to use her for noise marketing

[empty halo]

100% if SM could clear Karinas name, hybe would've had no issue doing the same w Garam especially after her debut in May

[subtle matrix]

Clear Karina's name from what? The dating or the PPP?

[old cypress]

Karina had some issues when she debuted, but it got cleared up pretty quick

[plain ingot]

Mainly money solves the issue ain’t it tho?

[hoary frost]

wasnt also some parts of it before aespa debut. I remember aespa had some drama before debut as well

[short laurel]

Sm gg always debut with drama, mainly cuz of sm mess

[old cypress]

the bullying rumors are predebut and kept going until after her debut

[hoary frost]

Oh so I was remembering correctly

[empty halo]

Karina had bullying allegations predebut

[plain ingot]

Why the hell every idol has bullying allegations

[old cypress]

jealousy

[plain ingot]

Is this girl drama 😔💔💔💔 it happens all the time

[empty halo]

school bullying in korea is super serious and gruesome, so whenever korean kpop fans feel threatened or dislike an idol, as kpop fans often do, they throw a bullying allegation against that idol. Its the most serious thing they could accuse a public figure of doing so they do it 😵‍💫

[plain ingot]

Korean school system is broken atp

[empty halo]

most asian educational systems are

[hoary frost]

i even saw one against ian h2h. and she was supposedly 11 during these things they accused her of

[empty halo]

its crazy, but also sad bc school bullying in Korean schools is actually really horrific. so perhaps in the future if a real school bully does debut, nobody's taking the person who's making these allegations seriously. ever.

[short laurel]

1 thing indian school system is better at. No physically bullying the weak 😅

[upbeat stream]

Wow so much yapping here, did something happen?

[empty halo]

someone here believes that hybe did not fuck Garam over, obviously people disagree

[hoary frost]

There's levels. if someone was slightly rude when they were 11 that's a different matter to being one of horrific level

most of the bullying scandal iv'e seen come down to disagreements they had and painting as bullying

[empty halo]

yes, ofc I don't think ian is a bully w no proof. Im just saying hypothetically, if a real school bully does debut or is in the public figure, nobodys gonna take the victim seriously anymore bc of what happened to soojin, karina, garam and ian

well we should be grateful njz doesn't have school bullying allegations bc knets would most definitely gobble it up w 0 evidence

[hoary frost]

they all debuted so young so abit harder to have that sort of allegation. altho it did happen with ian

[subtle matrix]

Nah I'm not accepting that tbh.

First of all yes, HYBE/Source Music did do something. They released multiple statements defending Garam, including a statement that clearly explains the entire school bullying situation and also denies multiple other rumours. If you want to argue that they could've done more then go ahead, I will most likely agree (as I said before). But saying they "did nothing" is just false and repeating it over and over again won't change it.

Second, we can obviously criticise HYBE/Source Music for discussing how to use this situation in their advantage instead of focusing on actually defending Garam. However there is a tendency to paint this as a "they used Garam to the advantage of LSF and then dropped her when she stopped serving her purpose" which is not what was being discussed in the internal memo. They are talking about how they can use this to eventually build up Garam's image, not destroy it.

And finally, now that this has all blown over people love to blame HYBE/Source Music for not doing everything in their power to defend Garam but the reality is that fans (not just LSF fans but also kpop fans in general) were absolutely destroying HYBE/Source Music and demanding that Garam was dropped for months, despite multiple statements explaining the situation.

And then it's a simple trolley problem: do you drop Garam, who is at the center of the controversy despite most likely being innocent, or do you let this potentially affect the future success of 5 other members who put in as much work and effort into this? Plus all the dozens of creative and support staff whose job depends on the success of the groups, plus all future groups which will be funded by the success of this one, etc.

Like I said my opinion is that they could've done more, and maybe even salvage it entirely, but I don't think they fucked her over. They had a role, just like the fans who demanded her exit did. They were ultimately not responsible for the situation tho

[empty halo]

I mean njz does have bullying allegations against illit (??) despite never mentioning the groups name in the 3 years they've had a career

[hoary frost]

Yeah they have those typical "mean girl" rumours but not school bullying specifically

[old cypress]

"HYBE/Source Music for discussing how to use this situation in their advantage instead of focusing on actually defending Garam." => They fucked Garam over. End of story. We don't need your approval for something to be true anyway

Guess why fans were absolutely destroying hybe? Because they did jack shit to clear her name from the very beginning. They used her for noise marketing, fanned the flames, put oil into the fire, and the whole thing snowballed

Remember the chalkboard thing with the vulgar drawings? HYBE knew garam had nothing to do with it from the very beginning according to the internal reports, yet they did NOTHING about it lol

[subtle matrix]

Because they did jack shit to clear her name from the very beginning.

Repeat it one more time maybe it'll become true

[old cypress]

They put out some statements but they did nothing with the evidence garam presented to them, and they did nothing about the chalkboard thing. But as usual you're deflecting instead of getting to the point

They used her for noise marketing = they fucked her over. That's it. There's really nothing more to add to this

It was confirmed from both hybe and garam's side. Noise marketing. Case closed lol

Only a redditor would argue this

[subtle matrix]

lol

Like I said I do think they should be criticised for using the situation for noise marketing instead of focusing on actually defending Garam. In my opinion they didn't fuck her over by doing that but it's reasonable to believe they did

[hoary frost]

Using reputation of someone to noise market a group that can exist without her is fucking her over

[old cypress]

you do you man

[empty halo]

using a 16 year old girls explosive controversy which they admit is causing her psychological harm, ruined her reputation, career and pit her against ive, a loved and popular group at the time as "noise marketing" to their advantage = not fucking her over and trying their best to defend her. well, sure bro

[subtle matrix]

Can you please point out where I said they did their best to defend her?

I have said the opposite like 8 times in the last hour

[twilit lark]

im not even surprised some hybe stans would go this far lol

[empty halo]

okay you may not have implied that they did their absolute best and could've done better but from what I could gather based on what you've said you seem to think they "did what they had to". anyways this is pointless bc I don't think you're changing your mind

[subtle matrix]

I think they could've handled it better (and done more to defend her) and that they deserve criticism for using the situation to create noise around LSF.
I think it was most likely possible to salvage the situation and keep Garam if they were really willing to, but it can't be denied that it would've risked LSF as a whole.
I don't think that they were the main culprit of what happened so I am not going as far as saying that they "fucked her over". She got fucked over by a vindictive former classmate.
That's all I'm saying.

[opaque flicker]

I'm gonna remind yall this thread is about NJZ Updates and Discussion

and this is already external drama which btw falls under rule 7

7.Keep any external/private drama out of this server. This includes: drama related to NewJeans, drama related to other idols, and drama related to yourself.

[subtle matrix]

I thought the thread name being a lie was already established sorry 🙏

[empty halo]

and i agree lil bro, obviously the MAIN culprit here is the person who made the false allegation. the reason why me and many people say they 'fucked her over' is because, as you said, "if they were really willing to it was possible to salvage this situation". the fact that they DIDNT = they fucked her over, alongside the culprit

[opaque flicker]

maybe let's try to keep it ab njz instead of talking ab other stuff not related to them, its ok to mention external things but continuously debating/arguing over them its too much

[empty halo]

mb

[opaque flicker]

well not sure what other m0ds watch over this thread, prob none, but I do read here from time to time, but i can't watch over it continuously, so sometimes when I'm here I let some things pass as they're not a big issue and sometimes I stop the conversation if it goes overboard like this. to avoid any more arguments and rule breakings in the future pls try to keep in mind what this thread was made for, and this applies to everyone not just you

[subtle matrix]

Nah honestly we push it way too much here lol we're always talking about other stuff

[opaque flicker]

then dont push it anymore

[subtle matrix]

Understood 🫡

[fierce cloak]

Do we have any information about MHJ's shareholder agreement? Or is it fully private? This one is very important yet we dont seems to hear anything?

In someway, the delay of court hearing actually may work in NJZ/ MHJ favor, despite it drag long, because with new presidency -> judge may less likely behave corrupt coz the old chain already fell partly, and BSH being investigated may make hybe more warry too

it seems everything may resolve in upcoming months pretty soon

[old ingot]

Do we got like a TL;DR kinda thingy from the court case and whats gonna happen going forward?

Or is it like comment above me that court got post-poned so nothing has happend yet? And if so do we know a new date?

[copper jetty]

Which court case? There's 2. There's the main case which 2nd hearing wrapped up yesterday 3rd hearing on July 24, then there's the appeal which doesn't have a date yet.

[old ingot]

Just overall, mostly bcoz of the one yesterday

(Just dont want all,that speculatin n shit there is mixed in this thread)

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1930478691382968401?t=EpoIix78DlCwfk40YWXvLA&s=19

This basically. Plus I know Ador requested additional evidences last minute and so the court needs another court session for it so we have a 3rd hearing.

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1749096961:d>

[copper jetty]

Just read throught it. If you don't trust the translation or if you have doubt since thats a Tokki there's a link attached. Do Google translate.

x* https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1931006683515617357?t=NNTiRW0Hn66icJP7M3_kQA&s=33

Shamanz MHDHH (@shamanjz)

And it begins...
All sounds so familiar, honestly even predictable...

X · Jun 6, 2025, 3:14 PM

Oh shoot... it's becoming heated up lmao... I do hope bsh and his cronies gets exposed soon for their wrong doings. It seems like what they did to mhj before isn't the first time too. Smdh

[clear hill]

I really hope he actually faces consequences bc Hybe has been exposed so much ever since November of last year yet nothing happens to bsh or these other Hybe label ceos

I’m so tired of ppl saying “why did they have to drag other groups into it” like because it’s part of a larger issue!!!😭 you can’t just ignore what’s happening bc ur fav groups are involved and idky people take that to heart as if it’s a direct criticism towards the idols when it’s about the people responsible for these groups

[short laurel]

Those ppl are not fan of their fav. They enjoy the product that comes from idols suffering n they keep defending it. All this just made me quit kpop. Now i only listen to njz songs they have released so far in kpop.

[clear hill]

Yeah same. Tbh I was never into kpop for this reason alone, always found the fandoms extremely toxic as well as the industry. From culture appropriation to slave contracts to idols who speak up getting so much hate and end up taking their own lives (sulli) it was never something that I wanted to be a part of.

[hoary frost]

They themselves are dragging the groups into this by doing these type of things. For example hanni never remarked bad about illit themselves yet they twisted it like she did.

or they keep on bringing njz everywhere. like that one photo of katseye illit lsf together and them commenting on njz with it. That just makes your group unable to be seperated

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/lifestyle010101/status/1930395605626683502?t=e-7kfxSMW3VQlQSRkMzgyg&s=19

d.t니즈 (@lifestyle010101)

항고는 서면심리가 맞나본데 이제 열흘안에 결과가 나올것같고 모든 우주의 기운이 항고 뒤집는데 향했으면 싶음 👊🙏

X · Jun 4, 2025, 10:45 PM

This k-tokki thinks the appeal is via a written review and thus won't have any hearings. That seems reasonable since the division was assigned a while ago, and both sides have submitted plenty of documents but still no sign of hearing date

When I asked them for source, they say that they are in this field, so I'll take their word. Well at least the written review part, I'm not confident about the 10 days thing, the ruling might take longer than that, but probably not more than a month

[clear hill]

I was talking about how people keep saying njz dragged lsrfm illit into this because they brought up how lsrfm debuted before them since they were promised to be the first Hybe gg and the whole plagiarization scandal with illit but yeah you’re right

[clear hill]

Yeah you can really tell how much they rely on njz 💀 both formula wise and attention wise. Can’t get enough attention just by music alone so they have to rely on dragging njz and comparing them.

[clear hill]

Wait I’m confused, so there won’t be another court hearing? I thought the next one was scheduled for July 25.

[subtle matrix]

They're talking about the injunction appeal

[upbeat stream]

July 24th, but that's for the main lawsuit at the district court. I am talking about the high court appeal to the injunction. Remember, the injunction was granted on March 21st, they appealed on April 16th

[clear hill]

Ohhhhh. This is all so confusing for my pea sized brain

[hoary frost]

The groups r enough to stand out on their own. Issue is toxic fandoms who have sad agendas

[clear hill]

Well considering illit was made to replace newjeans and made with the blueprint of newjeans, no. But I do think recently (not just because of fandom wars) njz has become this joke of the label to both fandoms and the people actually working in Hybe. They’re so obsessed on njz it’s insane.Have you seen the creative director of illit jump kicking at a large bunny? It’s so weird to post that in its own on your ig considering you literally had to steal mhj’s formula for njz. And bsh posting that photo of all the Hybe ggs, it definitely feels intentional. Now these idols involved in the groups could go on and have prospering careers and unleash their full potential but Hybe (esp bsh) is too egotistical and prideful to create meaningful groups without alienating their one gg that is the most successful all because it’s made by one woman who refuses Hybe to continuously replicate and duplicate it and refuse this one bad piggy to take credit for something she did all on her own without his help.These groups have really talented idols, it’s too bad.

[short laurel]

They used newjeans for noise marketting for illit. Even though illit are good enough to stand on their own.
But what i think is to bsh those numbers aren't enough.
He's desperate to prove that he can replicate bts with gg. That's the issue i c with him. He's jealous he failed while mhj succeeded.

[dull geyser]

i hate this damn subreddit they're all crazy like no, you're not different for hating njz, you're in fact endorsing the mistreatment and overworking that runs rampant in the industry.

[silk trail]

sad reality of k-pop industry

[runic tinsel]

idk how much this means or means anything at all but im noticing

[short laurel]

We talked about that in #kpop-chat

[runic tinsel]

my fault !

[empty halo]

imagine the things the staff have said about mhdhh

[thorny knot]

Don’t have to we’ve legit seen stuff they’ve said

[cinder narwhal]

who is ellychae

can i get a tldr

[red thorn]

Former BigHit (pre hybe) PR and crisis management director, actual had contribution to paved the way bts expand in the west market.
She's been vocal criticizing her ex boss

Can't find my ss, but she wrote 'love letter' to assumed bsh

[old cypress]

long short story she worked as an exec at big hit and eventually got ostracized and pushed to resign right before the stock split that made all execs rich

[cinder narwhal]

sounds familiar

[old cypress]

yep

[old cypress]

I looked into it and it's the same person https://x.com/cato_o_o/status/1835697550415819110

Cato_o_o (@cato_o_o)

EllyChae has worked with BSH in the past as a very early employee.

More and more people in the industry past and present are speaking out.

X · Sep 16, 2024, 3:09 PM

There's also a magazine editor who didn't get credited for her ideas (Duri)

[hoary frost]

Yes I agree
it's not like they couldn't have been successful without njz formula or trying to replace them. It's a matter of ego

and most groups arent that unique or anything, it's about the intention they had trying to replace njz

https://vxtwitter.com/njzbase/status/1930681487290232932

NJZ Base (@njzbase)

In today's hearing, ADOR revealed the replacement for NewJeans' old producers🔇

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 5, 2025, 5:41 PM

some ppl getting mad over this tweet. and yes hitchhiker does make good songs but his style doesn't fit njz at all

[heady gate]

I like 250 and Frnk music style

[hoary frost]

Frauddor burning bridges with all their creatives that were behind the core of njz

mv director, creative producer, choreographer, producers, performance directors etc

[empty halo]

well it is picking and choosing some goofy song he made, to portray him as an incompetent producer or something. I dont think he should've been made njz's producer, he hasn't had hits in YEARS and does not fit their style but idk why people on twt are constantly posting this weird song

the more important point here is that the music he's produced so far doesnt rlly suit nwjns + he isn't a top producer and hitmaker in kpop at the moment.

[hoary frost]

Well it's twitter, just a humorous tweet about his style

[empty halo]

most people dont know him so they're gonna interpret it as mockery of his work. obviously people are gonna jump on this user idk what else they expected lmao

[hoary frost]

idk i feel people are getting too defensive over people not thinking hes a good fit for njz

intention of tweet is kinda obvious

[empty halo]

he isnt a good fit for njz and everyone knows that.
its like if someone posted some shitty song mhj, 250 or frnk made as a joke and trying to undermine them as producers. as enjoyers of newjeans, we'd be pretty annoyed by that no?

fans of rv and f(x)'s music are getting defensive for the same reason

[hoary frost]

I'm fan of both gropus and have been familiar with his music. it's just a fact he likes to make quirky music and he made like 1 red velvet song

[empty halo]

I know, the point still stands, his style doesn't suit nwjns but that's not a reason to undermine his work

[hoary frost]

Eh well they were boasting about grammy winning producer and showing they have capabilities but ofc 250 and frnk would always fit njz better...so think people are taking the slander too seriously....not like they said hes dogshit

[empty halo]

yeah ador just flat out LIED about that absolutely and they deserve the flack for that, and yes some people may be taking the slander too srsly but bunnies on twt are almost inviting hate by slandering a random producer in the first place 😭 kpop stans hunger for drama and WILL view it as mean

whatever kpop stans can take too srsly, they will

[hoary frost]

i mean kpop stans drag eachothers groups on the daily on twitter, bunnies includes, making jokes about a producer who hasn't made a hit in years and supposed to be replacing 250 and frnk isnt that deep

[empty halo]

mockery and hatred is extremely common in stan twt so yes, in the context of kpop twt it isn't that deep.

[old cypress]

He's not even the main composer of many of the 'good' songs kpop stans quoted

While he did compose songs, most of his works at sm was arranging the demo and putting on the finishing touches

The whole discussion is kinda pointless anyway

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1931365133927977292?t=5j2P0SNja_KT0aEefLtelw&s=33

1tokki (@juantokki)

I brought in a star who was being treated like an outcast at a rival company, all for the success of the company I built. At first, I acted like a fan—“I love you, you’re so cool!”—playing the role of a successful admirer. But then she started showing too much individuality and

X · Jun 7, 2025, 2:58 PM

Uhmm.. is this talking about mhj and bsh? Either she's trying to rile that fandom up or bsh.

[red thorn]

Post during early feud where mhj changed the public opinion, so it's all about bsh being exposed for sure

[hoary frost]

mhj from the perspective of bsh

[copper jetty]

Lmao yup. That's what I thought... smdh. I also didn't notice that it was from last year

[empty halo]

this is frying me

cab she read his mind

[clear hill]

Who is ellychae?

[short laurel]

https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1931006683515617357?t=NNTiRW0Hn66icJP7M3_kQA&s=33
Ex bighit employee. One of the ppl behind bts

Shamanz MHDHH (@shamanjz)

And it begins...
All sounds so familiar, honestly even predictable...

X · Jun 6, 2025, 3:14 PM

It was revealed last year.

[empty halo]

A Sunday a few days before the 2017 presidential election — I had to go to work because there was a lot to do, and I even ended up having a meal with the CEO.
A random kalguksu (knife-cut noodles) place in front of the office.

At the time, the atmosphere was heated due to the upcoming early election after the president’s impeachment. I was originally a centrist, but I felt like I had to pick someone anyway.

That’s when the CEO said:
“We have to vote for Moon Jae In!”
“….” (pretending not to hear)
“We have to vote for Moon Jae In so the country can survive!”
“Ah, yes… but I’m more of a centrist…”

He suddenly grabbed my hand and earnestly pleaded that I must vote for Moon Jae In.

It was extremely uncomfortable and bewildering.
Even though I had clearly expressed my political stance, he insisted and even made unwanted physical contact to push his opinion. Isn’t this exactly what we call power harassment in the workplace?

Anyway, fast forward 8 years — he’s now a millionaire,
and about to be investigated by the Financial Supervisory Service and the prosecution.

As the election nears again, I suddenly remembered this and felt like writing it down. Just a random memory.

— Elly

speculated to be about Bang Si Hyuk

(obviously)

[clear hill]

Oh wowww. BSH is so done. I hope Hybe crumbles.

[clear hill]

The fucked up thing is as things keep coming out, it’s not like these are revelations. This is nothing new at this point. These are things we simply know yet people still turn a blind eye. People just want a scapegoat and it’s clear njz are young and influential enough in their time to be the scapegoat for hybe’s fall.

[old cypress]

That's what I kept saying for a year. BSH wants to destroy njz. Of all the groups he produced, it's the one he didn't touch that got so successful his ego can't handle it

It was never a "fight between adults that unfortunately got the children involved", it was a fight between bsh and mhj+newjeans from the beginning

He'd eject mhj and give newjeans a long hiatus and make newjeans songs/concepts much worse and tell everyone that newjeans was just a one hit wonder and that mhj failed to best him

[short laurel]

Twt ppl saying she sued hybe.

[clear hill]

If only ex Hybe employees and the og ador employees could testify in court/serve as a witness on behalf of njz... I feel like that would add legitimacy to njz’s case and would stop people from saying that they’re just spoiled brats but I understand why they’re not dragged into this. Fuck Hybe honestly

[split shoal]

yes exactly fuck hybe

didn’t ex hybe employees and og ador employees get mistreated too??

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Splias/status/1931560706169503882

[narrow seal]

250608 Lia ✮ (@​Splias) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Splias/status/1931560706169503882
It has just been revealed that Ador indirectly admitted the ignore incident did happen but they claimed it wasn’t a big problem

Ador submitted a racist article claiming Hanni shouldn’t be earning as much money because she’s foreign and that the incident wasn’t important

[copper current]

seriously this is 2025 and these racist mind people are so evil, everyone is the same, same body parts, no one is different or above or below others. Hanni deserves the fair share for her hard work. She is an important element of NJZ, missing one part will break the whole energy

[short laurel]

Submitted in injunction? N dam judge can't just accept that document. What about korea's relations with australia. Are they saying no foreigners are entitled to fair earning even if that foreigner happens to be from their closest alies countries?

[empty halo]

I have a conspiracy theory. Min Heejin is the reason why my dih is so small. She found me when I was a baby and was jealous so she cut it off 💔 🥀

[empty halo]

Im still shocked about how he grabbed her hand while aggressively yapping about politics. That's out of line.

[empty halo]

we can pray

they need to be hit w lawsuits from all directions

[clear hill]

Imagine being grabbed forcefully by your boss, esp the work culture in SK you’d feel so violated but you wouldn’t be able to do anything because it’s your superior. BSH is so sick.

[empty halo]

especially as a woman in a conservative country like SK id be weirded tf out

[clear hill]

Yeah omg just imagine the thousands of bosses who take advantage of this and treat their female workers like dolls.

[short laurel]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1931560217734734069?t=AB_XAuUJdiDFI-TQCrz3kw&s=19 this will benefit idols.

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

President Lee Jaemyung announced his labor policy promises, he used the slogan “Respect for Labor and Protection of Rights.” He said he would create a fair working environment and safe workplaces.

He especially promised to make a new law called the “Basic Act on Guaranteeing

X · Jun 8, 2025, 3:53 AM

[clear hill]

I’m not sure how credible this is but the fact that people think youngseo left bc of mhj is so crazy like people were doing literal mental gymnastics to blame mhj for everything 😭https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSArKYGA/

[empty halo]

I knowwww 😭
also isn't riize under SM. If people really believe mhj is some evil disney villain mastermind who somehow made Youngseo leave illit, HOW THE FUCK COULD SHE POSSIBLY HAVE ANY INVOLVEMENT WITH SEUNGHAN

IS SHE SECRETLY THE PRESIDENT OF SOUTH KOREA BECAUSE SHE SEEMS TO BE MORE POWERFUL THAN HIM AT THIS POINT

thousands of people actually believe ts. that's insane.

[clear hill]

Actually she’s part of the Illuminati that’s why she’s so powerful and she has secret rituals with her shamans to take down bsh and every company one by one

[empty halo]

erm actually she's the reason why the coup by president moon happened, she pushed him to take over the country. also shes actually responsible for Kim Jong Un being the supreme leader of North Korea and the hostile relations between the two countries 🤓 ☝️

[short laurel]

U guys are joking around but everything u guys said. Ppl on reddit legit believe these. All of those u guys said n more.

[empty halo]

I know its wild

[hoary frost]

They think mhj is some evil total mastermind

[hoary frost]

How would she get access to seunghans private insta

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

[hoary frost]

Why would she try to destroy riize anyways...how is it related to her

[empty halo]

idk she might be mark zuckerberg

[hoary frost]

Oh ok...next time we get another insta leak we know who to blame...the code has been cracked

[empty halo]

people (including a friend of mine who likes riize actually) think that she somehow accused them of copying nwjns (she has never mentioned riize in her entire career)

it was misinformation

[hoary frost]

How did it start, what was the reason

[empty halo]

idk some idiot on twitter probably said she accused riize of copying nwjns and it spread from there

[hoary frost]

Lol what

The fact youngseo chose not to debut in Illit triggers them so much

[hoary frost]

It would be impossible to report these kind of things as well. They would get brushed off

[empty halo]

esp when bsh is the CEO in control

who is she gonna report this to who's not already on his damn side? who was newjeans supposed to report their issues to when nobody in new ador was on their side? their stories are somewhat similar w BSH's behaviour

[hoary frost]

Exactly. And these sorts of things ofc aren't illegal or anything but this sort of conduct in the workplace with someone below you constantly throwing around your power and making them feel uncomfortable (physically grabbing even)

[hoary frost]

Really.

[flint stone]

What the heck is this?
Why would the trainee of another label live with already debuted group of another label, where did they lost their brain 🤦‍♀️

[hoary frost]

She used to be part of ador. I am pretty sure she did live with njz as trainees

[empty halo]

OHHH so she was part of the OG 8 member lineup???

[flint stone]

What?! Who? Trainees that was supposed to became illit was from surviving show. Also ador don't have trainees at all,from what I know

[empty halo]

newjeans was originally supposed to debut w 8 members. there's a predebut video of the current 5 members + 3 other trainees that was leaked by Hybe and they were all dancing to attention

im assuming one of the 3 who didn't make it was youngseo and so she was w nwjns at the time

[hoary frost]

Youngseo was ador trainee before njz debut. During 2021-2022

[hoary frost]

In that photo. There's a girl who's face is mostly covered. Ppl saying it's youngseo

[flint stone]

Wait,og line up? Hmmm, even if she was part of it, I don't think nj or mhj could do anything to stop her from debute because illit planning didn't even exist at the time they were in contact

[hoary frost]

Yeah they couldn't lol

[empty halo]

so she left/was removed from the nwjns lineup and then left illit. 2 great calls at avoiding controversial groups, one w legal issues and one w plagiarism accusations from day 1

[hoary frost]

Apparently she's debuting in YG coed group now

[empty halo]

yeah i heard the rumours, its from the blacklabel

[flint stone]

Ador didn't have trainees and didn't exist from the start, all trainees where training under other label for first gg (aka mhj group)

[empty halo]

no they could absolutely not. she had 0 control over belifts activities.

[flint stone]

Not all trainees debut, you know, not suitable for concept or whatever

[empty halo]

in that case she was obviously one of the soumu trainees taken alongside mhdhh

[empty halo]

I know, she escaped controversy either ways

[hoary frost]

Yes

[hoary frost]

True but she decided herself not to join Illit. She was guaranteed in that group

[empty halo]

oh god shes trained everywhere, experienced ahh

[brazen ice]

wasnt seunghan a soumu trainee as well?

[flint stone]

I mean, probably, because the only way to get candidates was soumu and +global audition

[empty halo]

oh is that where the rumour comes from?? but mhj planned on debuting a girl group, she still has lit 0 connection to the male trainees then?? ts so baseless its crazy

[hoary frost]

What's the source for that

Digging around...lol reddit

[brazen ice]

my poor memory💀

[hoary frost]

Didn't even answer the question

[empty halo]

SAUDI ARABIA???????

[hoary frost]

We are gonna get that saudi money to help pay the fees

[empty halo]

WHAT IS EVEN HAPPENING AT THIS POINT 😭

[hoary frost]

Seems like seunghan being source music trainer is a popular rumour

[empty halo]

im over this bullshit bro i should only tune into this chat and njz twt when a hearing happens

[flint stone]

Is this reliable source? Ador was created to debut nj because debute was delayed, which means members were already chosen and ready to debute. Which means trainees that weren't supposed to debute as nj weren't the part of soon created ador

[brazen ice]

i think he wasnt, but was friends with other hybe trainees. that random live that got leaked was with a txt member. also haerin was threatened too, fortunately never happened

[red thorn]

There's model dude from Supernatural mv in Teddy co-ed group
Idk what's he doin there

[flint stone]

Good for her, now bethief just ruining illit members future

[hoary frost]

Search up 8 member new jeans lineup

[hoary frost]

Lol really

What's his name

[flint stone]

Since it was leaked without mhdhh approval, I won't

[empty halo]

I think this originates from the predebut nwjns dance practice videos that hybe leaked. one of the trainees seemed to be youngseo. there's no official source for this and I don't think shes stated it herself but the videos seem to suggest it

[brazen ice]

Tarzzan boy

[red thorn]

Yeah
Real name Lee Chaewon

[empty halo]

chaewon?? thought that was a girl's name

anyw, good luck to Youngseo, she dodged 3 bullets BACK TO BACK by not debuting in nwjns, then illit and then leaving hybe

(not to suggest that debuting in nwjns or illit is a death sentence for your career, but they're just groups riddled w controversies and mistreatment)

[hoary frost]

All groups have controversies

[hoary frost]

Oh is he that dude. I've already seen discussion about him

[empty halo]

and they usually dont go on hiatus in a legal battle w their extremely powerful label, its not easy being mhdhh rn bc this isn't ur avg kpop controversy.

[hoary frost]

Yes but illit

[empty halo]

idk i wouldnt wanna be under belift if i was her

id rather be under the blacklabel or any other company

[hoary frost]

Well yeah she did not want to be under them so she left

[empty halo]

that's why im saying she dodged a bullet

[hoary frost]

Ehh I wouldn't phrase it like that

[empty halo]

because of belift, illits career is rocky too, more so than a majority groups

their plagiarism accusations are way bigger and are in court

and it's something people are debating about to this day, even tho they've had almost 2 comebacks at this point

do people talk about aespas plagiarism accusations from debut anymore?

[hoary frost]

Illit is doing fine. Average person doesn't care about those plagiarism accusations anymore. Magnetic was a huge song too

[empty halo]

but im gonna stop there bc ive already apologised to a mod for taking this chat off topic while discussing another ex hybe idol

[hoary frost]

https://vxtwitter.com/swthanni/status/1931610379920253201

HN. (@swthanni)

I hope everyone and their mamas watch this video

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 8, 2025, 7:12 AM

[short laurel]

Somu under hybe didn't had any public news of boys trainee. Riize guy rumour is just that a baseless rumour

[mild mist]

Might as well blame Joe Biden, Jeremy Corbyn and Trotsky while they're at it

[short laurel]

Trump become us president cuz of mhj. Legit on reddit

[compact creek]

actual nonsense 😭

what old male is listening to hype boy

i cant stand reddit they r so ignorant

[storm warren]

belift propagnda is working ig

[compact creek]

its working overtime cause how r u gonna say that NEWJEANS arent marketing for teens like i actually need what theyre smoking

[storm warren]

all i know is that njz is the most hated group on dcgal and fmkorea where their faves are ranked first and second. speaks volumes

[compact creek]

reddit tries very hard to oush this sentiment about njz but its jist hard to believe if u do even an ounce of research and not just looking at twittter ss

[storm warren]

projecting their insecurities on njz as usual

[short laurel]

Kpop is marketed towards teens for streaming n towards ppl in 20's n 30's for sales(lets be real, most teens can't buy those expensive merch unless u are local n most big groups have big spending intl fandom). As for demographic, regardless of what anyways says, it's still mostly dominated by female in most ggs. Including newjeans n illit.

[hoary frost]

New jeans demographic is all kinds of ppl. their music is appealing to a mass audience

[short laurel]

Ggs do have higher number of males compared to bgs. But still mostly dominated by females

[hoary frost]

For physical goods bought by kpop fans, mostly bought by females
There was a chart with the distribution, mostly ggs had female leaning fanbase, some with a lot higher male like wjsn

[hoary frost]

gg fanbase is usually equal or leaning more towards female especially nowadays

[short laurel]

Yup

[hoary frost]

Idont konw why people keep on debating about this either, like who has more male fans or whatever, what type of point is this proving

and saying njz is marketed towards uncle market is just a blatant lie

[short laurel]

Also if girls dominating in bg's isn't weird then why is it an issue with more male fandom in ggs? Why do ppl automatically assume that most of them are weirdo?

[hoary frost]

if njz was marketed towards uncle market. Then obviously we can see the concern.But the thing is they are not

[short laurel]

I only know of some jpop that marketed towards uncles.

[hoary frost]

They always wore clothing normal teenagers wore too, I think started trend of wearing long safety shorts as well

[compact creek]

this. like i dont understand how they can blantaly lie about shit like this just cause of their bias towards njz its literally is mind boggling

[hoary frost]

Jpop gg is mostly marketed towards uncles

[short laurel]

Thankfully love live series groups are not.

[hoary frost]

Also illit also had that one song with weird lyrics like blatant

[compact creek]

if njz were portrayed for male gaze of their "uncle fans" then ok u could argue that but they r quite literally dressed the opposite more than half of the time. how sweet supernaturual and right now focus on boxy gender neutral clothes like... are we so serious

[hoary frost]

They r obvoiusly meant to be a group meant to appeal to general public instead of idol fans to me, fashion is trendy, songs are listenable by everyone

[short laurel]

Njz n their stylist gets praised for wearing normal season appropriate fits.

[hoary frost]

idk how u can go this far to say they are marketed towards uncles, thats actually quite sad

[short laurel]

I remember kpop fans of various fandoms were disappointed how industry has become that wearing something normal is considered praise worthy while no one says much to stop other idols from wearing summer clothes in winter.

[hoary frost]

Ppl are too creepy in how they describe njz. feeling disturbed. already saw some tweets before about people talking about their concept in a really weird way. people's minds are disturbing

I dont agree

I think this was a matter of ego. There's nothing wrong with having similar concept in same company or whatever. YG literally makes the same group in different fonts each time. The thing is about the intent and internal issues that were present. Stealing MHJ's internal documents. Wanting to put NJZ on hiatus. DIsmissing and burning bridges with all their creatives

[short laurel]

They missed bsh ego n groups under same company often make sure their groups are different. N only out similar concept when original group is diversifying or retiring.

[hoary frost]

being similar isnt the issue its the intent

[short laurel]

We know that belift stole her documents. It was presented in court back in January. That puts more weight to mhj's point.

Yet they are ignoring that.

[hoary frost]

It's a waste of time trying to talk to them if they r unironically trying to say njz is marketed towards uncles

just very brainrotted

Btw why they dont talk about lsf who has the highest ratio of males buying their albums and new jeans album buyer are majority female in 20s

[short laurel]

Meanwhile ||there are aunties in that fandom, like 10- 20 years older than boys yet going on twt n saying p*do nona when the member was minor||

[hoary frost]

Oh did u see. some army try to call hanni ugly and she was aparently 56 years old

[empty halo]

if mhdhh does not go independent or join a newly opened label created for them, which label would yall want them to join? I remember there were rumours about them joining 88rising (label of Lexie Liu, joji, rina sawayama, no na)

[hoary frost]

someone should reply these direct statistics to that post

Illit male majority. (20s women as well)

[short laurel]

Last year a lady went to korea n stalked mhj n put it on her twt dissing mhj. Her son is around 30

[empty halo]

is that the label under which frnk and 250 work? thatd make perfect sense i guess

[short laurel]

Rightfully she got shamed by ppl for stalking on her twter

[hoary frost]

can u send me link to this comment

this is directly going against the statistics

[empty halo]

I think there is also a possibility of them being in a label created specifically to manage their activities sort of like bp members solo activities management companies w mhj as CEO, since that's what they prefer the most

[hoary frost]

well thats up to them

we dont know internal workings of these companies. depends on what they offer them and what type of contract

[empty halo]

yeah obviously we aren't making those decisions for them 💀 im js asking what could make sense for them

[hoary frost]

more statistics

[compact creek]

yea i got u https://www.reddit.com/r/NJDrama/comments/1l63dd4/comment/mwlsy66/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[short laurel]

Dam dropping below 50...

[old cypress]

it's pretty obvious when you look at the group and MVs that newjeans is geared towards a female fanbase with a broader appeal on nostalgia

[empty halo]

tokkis are a female dominated fandom, the reason why some people perceive nj as a group w more male fans is bc there are a lot of CASUAL listeners who are male

[compact creek]

clock it

[hoary frost]

thats lsf

[short laurel]

Yea ik

[empty halo]

and since they love portraying nj as some weird creepy group geared towards men they twist this into tokkis being a male dominated fandom

[hoary frost]

they r the creepy ones.

[short laurel]

After seeing hybe gg's stats. I c that their fandoms are projecting.

[hoary frost]

They are also siding with literal incels lol, we already have statistics of those engaging in positive vs negative content in korea about njz

I just saw some content of that gp999 gallery against njz. It was really really bad. Sad to see this is what they are siding with

[empty halo]

having an obsession w turning a group of teenagers and young adults into a male fantasy to benefit the rep of the groups you personally enjoy more bc they seem more "female centric" is creepy yes ✅

[short laurel]

Man be it hybe or it's stans, everything I've seen so far is them projecting.
Every accusation turned out to be confession.

[old cypress]

they retweet sniper while calling tokkis incels lol

[empty halo]

mind you incels fucking hate njz after the legal issues

[hoary frost]

And also i heard after they gave food to those protesting

[empty halo]

oh yeah THAT is a big reason for that, the biggest reason i forgot

[hoary frost]

it makes no sense, they r calling karina magarina and appealing to males with that post, and then saying njz targeted towards uncle fans despite they supported the protests openly

[short laurel]

N aespajeans(jinjjin) . There's posts of them admitting that they post hate comments cuz they enjoy triggering fandoms. Yet hybe stans use that account as their "proof"

[empty halo]

hybe stans like to use illit as a shield to claim theyre more female dominated and female centric but they always conveniently completely leave lsrfm out of this convo

[hoary frost]

But what is this female dominated. i think they just dont have that many fans. look at the album statistics

lsfrm is male dominated fanbase for sure, the most in the big ggs

[empty halo]

id argue their "fearless" concept is lowk kinda male gaze-y girlboss feminist but i digress

[hoary frost]

triples, qwer other ggs with mostly male fanbase. njz is nowhere to be found and even has the hihest proportions of female fans

[hoary frost]

Its not about the concept. its just that they have chaewon and saku who had fanbases from beforehand. (and those were mostly male)

[old cypress]

lsfm is marketed towards both genders, the female with the overall message and the male with the outfits and choreo

[empty halo]

it is about who the concept is geared towards too tho, nj and illit are both geared more obviously towards women but lsrfm isnt pushing towards a gender demographic necessarily

[hoary frost]

Idk i thought the overall concept nad message of lsf is kinda female geared

[empty halo]

the overall message is your usual basic kpop girlboss-esque stuff that doesnt actually mean anything and doesnt say anything very interesting 😭

[hoary frost]

If u look at the ggs beforehand who had mostly male fanbase. it was the ones with soft concepts

wjsn, fromis9, izone, lovelyz etc

[empty halo]

I feel like it's flipped now, groups like lsrfm and aespa have balanced fanbases and groups like illit and njz have female dominated fanbases

[hoary frost]

I dont know where this illit thing is coming from (that they have female majority). aespa fans are also majority female

especially in china

[empty halo]

I never thought so tbh, js go back and watch the fearless mv (their concepts introduction to the world) it feels quite male gazey to me. I do think there are ways to have a fearless girlboss concept that's more female centric but I don't think their creative directors went that route

[short laurel]

Lsfm idk. Their concept changes with whatever is trendy in the west.

[hoary frost]

Idk i dont think anything male gazey about it just a typical kpop mv. More like just the demographics of the fanbases carried over

[empty halo]

arent a majority of illits album sales female? im not sure about aespa I was guessing

[compact creek]

also in other eras hype boy attention super shy newjeans etc even then its nothing "predatort" its basic stuff a teenage girl would wear nothing. tennis skirts crop tops tank tops low rise jeans etc ...

[hoary frost]

left is female right is male

[old cypress]

Lsfm is both

[empty halo]

your typical kpop mv is extremely male gazey 😭

[empty halo]

where are these stats from?

[hoary frost]

Let me see

[old cypress]

As for illit, things changed a lot after magnetic, I think they have a mostly female fanbase now

[empty halo]

yeah right

idk what it is about lsrfm's visual direction, i can't point to it but something about it isn't giving me female centric, its just giving me "geared towards everyone /the general market"

[hoary frost]

its from instiz

[empty halo]

i see

[hoary frost]

but anyway the constant in all the statistics is that motsly young females or just females in general buy njz albums

[empty halo]

id say glitts are a medium sized fandom which is majority female in my opinion, personal observation

i cant give you stats and shit but it's just the feeling i get

[hoary frost]

how come

[hoary frost]

I think that most of their fans are in japan

[empty halo]

idk ┐⁠(⁠´⁠ー⁠｀⁠)⁠┌

[old cypress]

They went from a pure and innocent concept to something more dreamy fantastical

[compact creek]

would male gazey mvs not be the ones that purpsoefully linger on their assets/features, upskirt shots and just ones w ig odd angles ?

[old cypress]

arguably both existed at first but they got rid of the innocent concept and focused more on the latter

[hoary frost]

Well magnetic song was really popular amongst all audiences. kids love that song especially. so maybe

[old cypress]

it's the song rather than the mv that is popular, it's different

everyone will like a good song. Like Cupid

[empty halo]

🙂‍↕️
also geared more towards male interests. outfits, sets and concepts men would love. a male fantasy basically

[old cypress]

That's too obvious, most groups are more subtle now

[empty halo]

the chorus is extremely catchy and pleasing to the ears so thats why it's as big as it is

[hoary frost]

I dont think any gg is gearing towards mostly gaining "uncle" fans nowadays. mvs are made for all audiences

[compact creek]

i agree but there was also that situation w i forgot the name but they were clearly uncomfy of this show showing their underwear

[old cypress]

Stellar? That's another era

[compact creek]

yes i think so

[hoary frost]

Ppl want to bring those type of concepts back for some reason

[old cypress]

there was an era of very in your face sexy ggs but it's long over

[empty halo]

the attention mv is the most female gaze-y kpop mv ive EVER seen

it was perfect

[hoary frost]

A good thing. most of them consisting of young members or members unable to consent to that type of concept

[old cypress]

looks like aespa is getting the apple collaboration this time around

[orchid field]

happy for them, always love a hip hop concept

[clear hill]

MHJ is actually Donald trump. She wears a zip up suit but she’s actually Donald trump 🤓

[short laurel]

Incorrect. Trump is mhj's puppet sent to ruin murica 🦅

[clear hill]

Actually they are the same person bc they’re clones. She is also Putin. And Elon musk. She is also going to take over the world. 🤓

[marsh roost]

I'll admit to be an uncle and cookie is my favorite song, maybe they're on to something

[wary creek]

are teens really going for the magical girl concept of illit

[wary creek]

mhj is an evil cultist who is both incompetent and a mastermind XD

[mild mist]

Not according to those charts posted earlier

According to them it's millennial dudes going for it

[hoary frost]

What the?

[hoary frost]

Even if the group is female focused or whatever the target is deff not teens

[copper jetty]

It's kind of funny to me that when the girls brought up to the court if Ador had any plans for them whatsoever, then we get zine notif... AFTER HOW MANY MONTHS, it was empty and never updated and now suddenly??? Like huh???

[rain spade]

They definitely misunderdtand the judge statement right there

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/bborbnz/status/1932057853529108514?t=jpKk4Jae5UUICZ6DeqjucA&s=19

[harsh dove]

@bborbnz <t:1749473462:d>

[empty halo]

is ador making posts on phoning?

[copper jetty]

They updated the schedule

They didn't even update the member's birthday on phoning so I was wondering why they updated after 3 months of inactivity.

[vale grove]

??

[vale grove]

I’m wondering the same. So weird. I deleted phoning a while ago, what’s the schedule update?

[copper jetty]

Plus they said the one they're uploading is extra clips from a previous zine from 2 years ago.... weeeeiiirrrrdddd

[vale grove]

Nvm! I see it!!

[vale grove]

Scraping for content to monetize from the girls while they are actively trying to ruin their careers

[copper jetty]

Thankfully someone from the main chat is gonna download it and then I can watch it on my pc.

[empty halo]

weird

[vale grove]

Do u mind sending it to me? Don’t wanna give them any of my view time

[copper jetty]

Will do after they upload it. They have it scheduled on June 12.

Which, timing is weird too since that's the date of MHJ vs Hybe hearing.

I'm hoping I'm just being paranoid.

[potent lichen]

I’m in other kpop chats and groups. It’s so funny how they’ll mention another group’s new music sounds like it was meant for NJZ.

The entire discussion will be about NJZ and nothing about the group the post is for.

NJZ living rent free in people’s heads

[hoary frost]

Really weird....2 year old content

[copper jetty]

NJZ is the new nugupromoter.

[copper jetty]

Right? If it's the same rumored zine it was released 2 parts, one April 2023 and may 4, 2023... I'm wondering if Ador's gonna continue uploading videos now that the case is ongoing.

[flint stone]

~t https://x.com/bborbnz/status/1932090843999187014?t=on5VbGpbpLQj7ejtAJKtHg&s=19

[shy schooner]

Maybe it really took that long for the current ceo to edit herself

[short laurel]

Poorly edited hopefully. To show job done under hybe control is not up to par.

[waxen musk]

I've seen more talk about the potential of there being no hearing for the injunction appeal. A lot seems to be happening with document submissions. Hopefully whatever is happening doesn't take too long, it's really the soonest realistic way things can turn around in our favour.

[honest sky]

LOL Hanni’s and Minji’s fake insta is blowing up now

[waxen musk]

I wasn't aware of them, but I'm sure there are many. The girls remain popular.

[honest sky]

The one Im seeing rn is lowk good

They r not reusing any old pics 😹😹😹 smart fakes 🥀🥀

[shadow cloud]

i wanna make a video in defense of newjeans so badd but im so bad at writing and expressing how i actually feel abt the situation. i have a newjeans channel thats relatively popular but i havent posted in a hot minute. i just really want to defend them because all the misinformation is so gross to see 😞 if anyone has tips or wants to possibly help me plsss lmk

https://youtu.be/hP7pJbYUgnI?si=ihskZy9yNdQKt9sK in particularr this video is so well made and it made me want to make one aswell

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1932119240896885122?t=QW2B24fcRLbRTsvXXNJHVw&s=33

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

Today, Sejong Law Firm, representing Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, and Hyein, submitted documents that outlines their key arguments and evidences to the court (June 9, 2025). - Appeal

X · Jun 9, 2025, 4:54 PM

[hoary frost]

the comments of this video are so dumb

[hoary frost]

First you should list. What exactly are you defending them against

You know something is so funny to me about the same people who said hanni was overreacting over a greeting are going crazy because a director told minju not to drink that enhypen's members water or somethin

[honest sky]

Newjeans good hybe bad

[old cypress]

https://x.com/breadluvpham/status/1932065165153075223

Cherry🍒 (@breadluvpham)

That's a new strategy? they (hybe&faudor) created a bunch of phoning accounts, subscribed (only subscribed can leave comments), then posing as Bunnies, leaving comments like "NewJeans should return to ADOR", the peak of obsession...

X · Jun 9, 2025, 1:20 PM

are they gonna put false comments, screenshot it and tell the judges bunnies want njz to go back to ador

[cosmic belfry]

Eh I do think the update would make some people think that way. Not everyone is up to date with the court case and are holding out hope for them to resume activities.

I don't like people calling everything fake. There is a wide range of fans.

[compact creek]

thats what im sayin

[compact creek]

choujimi my goat

[compact creek]

i support u but i would just warn that there are many people in general on the yt bubble who dont support
njz and just spread blantant misinfo regardless of what u provide them with , choujimi for example had to take down a video related towards njz cause of some of the comments i believe (its in his comunity notes)

[shadow cloud]

yess i saw 😭 im willing to take criticism and ill do my best to keep negative comments out of the picture if i do end up making the video.

[hoary frost]

Look at the comments of that video. look at the same type of thing they keep on repeating

blatant misinfo over and over with no evidence. and its the most predictable thing ever. they are legit saying njz was going to make illit and lsf disband

[ashen charm]

these arent always accurate plus alot of albums are bought as group managers and in bulk and if one female fan account buys 300 albums, it counts as 300 female sales even only in korea

[hoary frost]

i know but either way njz consistently has high female sales across different sources

[ashen charm]

yup korea has alot of njz fan girls

hybe its so obvious its sad

[half knot]

apple already chose newjeans for a while, did people expect that to last forever? obviously not

and it's clear they wouldn't continue to work with a group that's no longer active.

[shadow cloud]

honestly, this shouldnt be some huge dig at newjeans 😭 they’re not active right now so it makes sense they’re not the face at the moment. their impact on apple’s promos was still super clear. just because things are shifting doesn’t mean they’re being erased. people are overthinking it.

[bronze talon]

people acting like if a sponsor goes to someone else they cant get that ever again type shit

[ashen charm]

the way its written also

[vale grove]

It’s written to cause drama omg

[shadow cloud]

right... superr shady for no reason

[hoary frost]

yes lol, they just use njz name for quick likes and attention nowadays, best we learn to ignore such things

[hoary frost]

lmao is this ai

[copper jetty]

Honestly, I'm not mad that it went to aespa. With how they supported newjeans through their hard times in 2024? I'll be happy for them that they bagged that and happy for having such a great run this past year too.

[ashen charm]

real tweet

[clear hill]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMSDaJS62/

Does anyone have more info on the fact that the court rejected the argument that Hybe uses media manipulation ? Like isn’t that a fact?

Because hello the Japan comeback and the Hybe employee downplaying their success, the fact that ador has used fabricated “evidence” in court from lee Jin-ho the YouTuber who makes dispatch like videos on idols and actors???

[short laurel]

Still not a hybe group haha

[heady gate]

June 12 - MHJ's 3rd hearing for the shareholders' agreement

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1932287920645534145

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1749528315:d>

(June 10, 2025) Submission of Documentary Evidence (USB) by the appellants’ (NJZ) legal representative, Law Office (Sejong/Wooseung)

This entry is a formal record in a court document system, showing that the appellants’ lawyer submitted evidence on a USB drive. - (Appeal)

[craggy skiff]

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1802886573715062935

MHDHH Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop)

Tor Myhren (Apple’s vice president of Marketing Communications ) and his daughter

#뉴진스 #NewJeans

X · Jun 18, 2024, 2:10 AM

the apple brand deal is not going anywhere and it's hilarious that haters are spreading the narrative that they were replaced

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1932344723622207790?t=5Q6GFMQ4m4VzCz5NTzYl5g&s=33

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1749541857:d>

[copper jetty]

Do you guys think maybe it's a collab or something? Cause this looks VERY similar to what BELIFT's gonna sell on their weverse.

Only difference is maybe the eyes, the en- logo and some of the indents on the other one.

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/catzkang/status/1932360779552194901

[narrow seal]

250610 Av🫧 (@​catzkang) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/catzkang/status/1932360779552194901
( June 10, 2025 ) Today, NJZ's side submitted different kinds of proof to support their appeal.

• explanatory material
• documentary evidence
• USB stick

( Appeal )

[mild mist]

Surprised to see people still using USB flash drives

[rain spade]

Appeal not yet accepted im assuming

[old cypress]

they probably picked a generic toy from a chinese manufacturer, it's pretty common

I think you can find similar cases for many kpop goods

x10 iirc

it's pretty standard in the merch world though, you pay for the logo

the design is unique enough to be noticeable and they didn't bother changing the colors

if it was a standard coffee mug, it'd be hard to notice

yeah well merch is always a cash grab

[alpine sapphire]

is it that where hanni reposted olens add....

[alpine sapphire]

should we subscribe and write something about hybe and adour like dont come back , we want you to be free like those kinda comment i mean sily yeah but...lol

[old cypress]

it's pointless, they'll just screenshot the 'right' ones

[upbeat stream]

I saw k-tokkis talking about Blake Lively's win lol. Didn't expect that

[old cypress]

TAG PR taking Ls after getting acquired by hybe

[alpine sapphire]

fr..point to be noted

[short laurel]

Usb is used alot. They keep a copy n checksum to make sure no tempering is done.

[short laurel]

White labeling lol

[cinder narwhal]

who tf is still subscribed to phoning

and people paying for this shit now? omylord 😭

[onyx hearth]

HELP NO FR😭

But like what is this chat

[copper jetty]

Unsubscribed the moment the girls said their goodbyes there. But I won't uninstall... it's the memories for me. Plus you can still access their old old lives there.

[copper jetty]

They said it's extra (scrap ) footages from their previous zine episode from 2 years ago.

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/jidong_lee/status/1932168354971975798?t=njBk-FpiWnZqIzfoVqDtVw&s=19

Lee Jidong 🏎️🏁 (@jidong_lee)

@Imissnjz It's pretty certain there won't be a hearing. Idk if that's a good or bad thing. Also it seems most tokkis don't know about this

X · Jun 9, 2025, 8:10 PM

[onyx hearth]

Oh zarn

[copper jetty]

What do you mean no hearing??? So there's no appeal?

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/planet_722/status/1932224319284719714?t=fTD2TAIRlW8hAXa0rAaxZg&s=19

MCA ˚‧｡⋆🌻⋆｡‧˚ (@planet_722)

@jidong_lee @Imissnjz A ktokkis told me most of the time appeals are dealt with written paper. A court hearing can happen only if the judge wants to or thinks it’s necessary

X · Jun 9, 2025, 11:52 PM

[copper jetty]

Oh... so it's mostly written arguments submitted plus evidences.

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

[waxen musk]

I'm glad to see a lot seemingly happen for the appeal. I do wonder if I should remove "Awaiting injunction appeal court date" from the schedule, though.

[waxen musk]

I put an update in the schedule to explain what's happening.

Imagine one random day we wake up to the appeal result.

[old cypress]

in the end nobody had any clue on how the appeal process would unfold

[fierce cloak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=130WILN_1fA

https://kbizoom.com/krazy-rich-korean-press-conference-min-hee-jin/

An entire new show where the PD got inspired by MHJ at first i thought it's satire but it's actually admiration
The show is about 'crazy' passionate people like MHJ
The PD also made hits show before, included The Return of Superman (family where father take care of children), and Boss in the Mirror (literally about boss leading their business)

I actually wish MHJ to appear in boss in the mirror but the timing didnt work out and the show got downfall, i guess it got cancelled already. So this is new show, im excited ngl
Which once things settle down and MHJ choose to appear in public this could be a great choice

[craggy skiff]

I think it is better. the previous hearings is super short, I really doubt it will do anything other than provide some content for journalists

[empty halo]

can complexcon hk face legal issues w ador if they drop the pit stop performance video their cameramen shot

[copper jetty]

they might and that may be the reason why we haven't got any official videos, but tbh, i haven't seen any complexcon official videos too of previous artists that performed so maybe they just don't upload those.

[copper jetty]

Please refrain from saying anything negative about other groups. We bash the company and the company only.

[heady gate]

*x https://x.com/catzkang/status/1932618129009750341

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

On June 11, 2025, Four ADOR’s legal representatives submitted a procedural opinion letter. (Appeal)

This letter typically outlines their opinions or positions regarding the progress or conduct of the legal proceedings.

X · Jun 11, 2025, 1:57 AM

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1749607042:d>

[clear hill]

Idk if anyone is familiar w pharell Williams’ produced songs but his producer tag has that 4 beat in the beginning of each song. I just found out he didn’t produce supernatural, 250 did but it still has that 4 beat pharell signature intro followed by his voice?? I’m confused

[red thorn]

Probably he is credited bc it contains interpolation of his song 'back of my mind' and the adlibs, not sure if he is involved directly outside those

[clear hill]

I listened to the song and I’m familiar w “attention we should pay, for what is coming through” comes from back of my mind but the beat itself isn’t even sampled in supernatural so I’m convinced that pharell co-produced supernatural

Maybe it’s just a lil bit of hopium but it would be really cool if a big shot producer like pharell Williams has actually worked w njz

[vale grove]

I feel like njz kinda stands in their own right without some big shot producer needing to give them clout yk? Although it would help them and wouldn’t hurt

[cinder narwhal]

it's this i don't think he directly touched supernatural

[clear hill]

It’s not about pharell Williams giving them clout, it’s just a super neat collab I was excited about :>

[vale grove]

Oh no, totally valid as well!! They do deserve to work with the greats ahaha

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1932729786264420762?t=v27mvPFOkdecGQcChXY4Wg&s=33

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

Sejong and Wooseung refused to give ADOR even a moment’s rest. 🏃‍♀️

X · Jun 11, 2025, 9:21 AM

Sejong submitting more arguments and evidences.

[mental lynx]

lets go

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1932726808665072077

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

On June 11, 2025, the same day, immediately after ADOR submitted its procedural opinion letter, NJZ’s legal team (Sejong/Wooseung) filed a written preparatory brief outlining their key arguments and supporting evidence.

( Appeal )

X · Jun 11, 2025, 9:09 AM

[hoary frost]

Just saw someone say mhj hired someone to spread rumours about enhypem to illit

[bronze talon]

Surely mhj has the time for that

[hoary frost]

She doesn't even have the money for that lmao

[bronze talon]

Eh

[hoary frost]

Who do these people think mhj is

[subtle matrix]

I've seen people say MHJ was behind the Garam bullying accusations nothing shocks me anymore

[bronze talon]

Do they actually think they can ruin the relationship between the girls and mhj with the most obscure and unrealistic reasons? Or why they doomposting such things

[short laurel]

Mhj was behind ww1 n ww2

[subtle matrix]

People don't say these things because they're trying to accomplish something with NJZ or MHJ. They do it because they're trying to convince themselves that their side is the morally superior one.

[bronze talon]

I mean thats almost always the case but there has to be some other "I want this to happen" type reason no?

[subtle matrix]

Well yeah ofc. A lot of people would be happy if there was a rift between NJZ and MHJ

But I don't think these type of comments are trying to make it happen

[hoary frost]

They don't want to make their side morally superior. their intention is to defame

[subtle matrix]

Not directly for the majority of people, I would say

I think you could argue it but most people use the slander and defamation as the means to an end. Flood the discourse with made up shenanigans and the public opinion might shift to a point where their side is seen as the moral one (or the opposing side as the... least moral one?) and they can keep being nasty people online without feeling guilty

[craggy skiff]

she even manipulate donald trump...

[vale grove]

Mhj is the mother Donald trump guys can’t you see she has caused every problem in the world right now 💔💔💔💔

Even if I don’t like some of her choices to blame her for serious issues in the industry is insane, with illits staff history it was most likely the staff who said it

Illit are innocent of course, they have no control over the narrative these employees use to manipulate them

[heady gate]

June 12 - MHJ's 3rd hearing for the shareholders' agreement

[short laurel]

To add to this.
Saying it once again even if u consider all the allegations on her as truth, it's still 1000 times less than every other executive running the kpop industry. Yet she get 100000 times more hate

[hoary frost]

And it's not whataboutism here. The thing is that the main argument every time people have for njz is that they support mhj as if she's some big evil 1000x worse than the rest of the industry combined. Look at the comments of that one video that person sent which was defending njz

[old cypress]

i'm almost certain mhj would've gotten less hate if she was a man

[opaque flicker]

100% straight facts

[mild mist]

Emmanuel Goldstein

[hoary frost]

they talk like she's the worst villain ever 😭 ok i know she's not that innocent but acting like that against her is way too much

It's like she's going to cause a world war

I say this about some questionable decisions she has made

[compact creek]

more rhan half of those comments were just statung fasle click bait points and attacking choujimi for veing biased they were also saying hes biased for calling them njz....

and also saying random shit like shes the reason garam left andleaked it to new sources and that njz speaking out almost led to the disbandment of lsf and illit

theres more but i had to stop
for my sanity, theres a hundred more comments that are like this under the video tho

[grizzled summit]

YouTube comments are filled with middle aged or teenagee delulus purple Fandom oppa saranghae losers

[craggy skiff]

Dang. That's crazy.
Not about the stupid hate but you really take time to read this

[hoary frost]

finally somebody gets that lsf and illit hate was not majority from njz 🤦‍♂️ I wonder were these people even paying attention to those groups/kpop fans during that time

And disbandment...like what lol

[hoary frost]

Usually that miofari person comments are reasonable so i was interested to see what this comment section had to say

[old cypress]

There's a huge amount of kpop fans who thrive off hate and will look for and use any pretext to write hate messages

all fandoms are involved

[compact creek]

kpop fans and thinking dont go together most of the time

[compact creek]

yea maybe i did it to myself hoping morempeople would understand the context of njz situation but rlly i can only find that in miofaris...and even then there some trolls who try to argue even when the evidence is right infront if the face explained clearly

[hollow shore]

I guess the Hybe PR brainwashing has fully worked. NJZ did nothing against any group. I saw Illit comparisons before MHJ's comments ever came out to. People were laughing about it, not in a hate way just in a that's kind of funny type way. I'm sure there are old reddit posts still up in r/kpop when that happened. Then when the MHJ comments came out all of a sudden people considered it hate to compare them. There was definitely some bot activity around that but it could have come from anyone including Hybe.

[fierce cloak]

Majority people dont know and dont care about these things. No need to waste your energy and attention to the rotten brain people.

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1932872737401286770?t=MyvTUWQGrSzvs1RQ6avUqg&s=33

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1749667746:d>

[hollow sorrel]

with the amount of documents both sides are submitting to the appeal I think it’s safe to say that this friday might be the deadline for submission of documents/evidence???

[copper jetty]

Apparently media is portraying us as being "left behind" by newjeans.

[waxen musk]

1tokki's Tweet about the USB stick's potential importance is interesting, too.

I have no idea the timelines involved in this process.

But for the 2nd main hearing, submissions were being made up to the last minute, even on the day of the hearing.

[waxen musk]

And there might not be a hearing for the appeal. So I don't know what that means. I wouldn't predict any dates. Especially not Friday.

[copper jetty]

Which is kinda weird cause why isn't there a deadline?

[waxen musk]

And a main reason for the upcoming 3rd hearing is so that they can review the documents submitted on that day. (Speculation I think.)

Does anyone have any rough idea how this appeal process will go, timeline-wise?

Because clearly a lot is happening, just not publicly.

[copper jetty]

No idea. I hear though that these kind of cases vary a lot so maybe comparing it to previous ones don't really help.

[waxen musk]

I feel like I've heard people say "obviously it'll be quicker than the main lawsuit", but who knows.

[copper jetty]

I just hope that they wrap this injunction up and that newjeans come back.

[hollow sorrel]

yeah I also think there might be no hearing.
however there is a deadline to send in evidence and it's usually friday so it would be great if it's this friday

no hearing = quicker proceeding, media can't manipulate things and other benefits

[waxen musk]

Just thinking logically, things ramping up with document submissions, you'd think it's leading to something. I know what you mean. We're finding out as things happen, I guess. If things are that close to a resolution, great!

I just worry that we're relying on so few people to update us on the situation, and they're relying on a few Korean Tokkis who might not have the best understanding, who knows. My worries come from some of the confidence I have read these people have in the past, only to have things go very differently than expected.

I've had this weird expectation that is not founded in anything other than just what I "feel" after reading all this analysis every day that a comeback in the next few months is very possible. But honestly I have no idea. Nobody does. Should I stop this hopeful thinking?

[copper jetty]

Yeah. So that if outcome is bad it'll be a soft blow but if they do win then it's a good surprise.

[waxen musk]

I just hate imagining that we would be in the exact same situation as now but a whole extra year from now. The non-zero percent chance the appeal goes positively is what's getting me through this.

[hollow sorrel]

me too. idk my intuition just tells me the latest they are coming back is early next year, but I really don't see the lawsuits taking years as some people said since it damages both NJZ and ADOR.

[waxen musk]

That I disagree with. ADOR and Hybe are purposefully making things drag out as long as possible, for both NJZ and MHJ.

[copper jetty]

I kind of see the main lawsuit taking years though. With how Hybe delays their arguments and how they request re scheduling? It's in their history so idk... this certainly is possible

[waxen musk]

Anyway it's not that hard to get through every day with this hopeful thinking. It's only been a few months of pain. Another few months can't be any different. But like I said, if this appeal fails, the expectation of having to wait another year or more for a resolution for the main lawsuit will be crushing.

People seem way more confident in the main lawsuit going our way, so it'll all be fine in the end. Just not really understanding how an appeal to something that was already decided months ago can go positively for us, but despite feeling that way, I'm hopeful!

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[waxen musk]

I'll stop yapping now. It's not that hard (for me), like I said.

[copper jetty]

I just read that tvxq legal battle took 3 years.... now I'm shaking wth

Please don't let them take that long.

[upbeat stream]

It's worse for us. JYJ won their injunction so they were promoting during the lawsuit

[copper jetty]

Never ending cycle of chat are we cooked or we're so back.

[upbeat stream]

That appeal has to go through please please! I don't want to wait a year to see them

[copper jetty]

Lmao don't we already have that? "NewJeans come back" instead of "newjeans comeback".

That goes both ways though. We also don't know what's Hybe or Ador's arguments 100% and even if njz is right... people still lose cases. The justice system isn't without faults.

[vale grove]

Especially koreas justice system….

[copper jetty]

Which favors companies and chaebols.

Also it's mhj vs Hybe 3rd hearing for the shareholder's agreement. Hoping this is the last one and that mhj wins cause this could potentially affect njz main case too.

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[copper jetty]

I was talking about the shareholder's agreement tomorrow. That's the most important part i think. If court finds that Hybe didn't have any substantial reason to fire mhj... that could potentially prove newjeans mistreatment and sabotage by Hybe and could help establish grounds for contract termination.

The others are mainly defamation suits. I mean it could also help their case to shed light about what happened but shareholder's agreement would be the best one.

Lmao... I kinda think that it was though. Bsh ego was stepped on by mhj.

That's the only reason I can logically think of of why we're in this position right now that makes sense

I disagree... I think mhj has an ego. But it would purely be for the sake of the art she creates and that is why the creatives she worked with either likes her so much because of respect or hates her because they felt intimidated.

Oh... yeah we're talking about 2 different things. My definition of "ego" is it's the field of awareness in ourselves that helps our self identity. I'm talking more about the psychological term of ego. So it's neither bad nor good.

[hoary frost]

I don't think theres much bad with having an ego. it's important to know your worth especially in this industry

especially as a woman ur work can easily get devalued

but tbh by this point, I'm kinda over these mhj nitpicks from fans, not that people can't have opinions I just don't understand what is being accomplished here

because people keep on running with mhj narrative to constantly devalue the girls and their opinions

[copper jetty]

Detractors always point her out, mainly because of the questionable choices she made before in SM.

But for me, I'd rather take her recent actions under Ador and judge her for that. Previous actions was when she was under a company where she's not the sole decision maker while all the things she did under Ador is solely hers and was very guided by what she learned not to do from her previous experiences which is commendable.

[heady gate]

Hopefully, everything will go well at MHJ's hearing today.

[hoary frost]

Thing is that SM fans like to blame her for everything that happened under SM for some reason. when she was just a creative director

They were talking about happiness mv, when the real director or something of that mv came out and apologized himself for it

[copper jetty]

As if a creative director is omnipotent in that company (Unless they're bsh). All things there had to be approved so idk why fans keep blaming only one person when it was clearly a group effort.

[hoary frost]

its very dumb, people keep on blaming random creatives for their grievances

I mean i remember some dude saying rookie red velvet outfits are weird in some list he made of mhj wrongdoings. Like what the lol

[copper jetty]

Atp I think kpop fans just point fingers because they want to blame someone for something they didn't like their faves wore or did.

Which makes sense cause it also ties up with the parasocial relationship kpop fans have with their idols.

[hoary frost]

They point fingers at the people whos names they know I guess. But weird thing is why does this finger pointing never reach ceos like jyp, sm, bsh, etc...?

or if it does in a way lesser capacity

[copper jetty]

That I can't answer really. I have no idea since I've only been in kpop for 2 years and only stanned newjeans. But I agree though... there's so much more issue with these people than mhj being weird.

Does anybody know what time the court hearing will be?

I'm very much anticipating this 3rd hearing since Ador announced they're gonna release 2 year old scrap footage just in time with this hearing.

Idk why but I have a gut feeling that something is gonna blow up... or maybe I'm just paranoid and nervous as hell.

[hoary frost]

0 idea, wondering the same

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1932799394585456829

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

Found out something insane and interesting about TAG PR just now with a quick search.

HYBE bought 51% majority stake for 25 million dollars.. So its total evaluation was around 50m USD but they only have 8 employees...

What in the moneyscheme laundering is going on over there?

X · Jun 11, 2025, 1:57 PM

[copper jetty]

Also heard that pr company is being called to court for lively vs baldoni.

[hoary frost]

heard his defamation lawsuit was dismissed

[copper jetty]

It was. Heard it was somehow 400B worth.

[copper jetty]

Wait a 50m usd company with only 8 employees? Are almost all their processes outsourced?

[hoary frost]

from linkedin

[copper jetty]

Well if their other processes include contacting the media they're close with and the bot farms they have abroad then it makes sense

Also i wonder what they copywrite?

[hoary frost]

I guess posts and stuff like that to persuade to a certain viewpoint

Mayhaps

[copper jetty]

I mean their specialties speak for themselves.

Communication strategy
Media relations
Crisis Management
Copywriting
Media partnerships

[hoary frost]

what they copywrite I guess

[copper jetty]

This makes sense too when search engine before about NJZ was changed.

[hoary frost]

Their special point is crisis situations they said also

The narrative is also very compelling and cohesive against njz

[copper jetty]

Cohesive narrative.

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-colin-jost-saturday-night-live-grin-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-25927108

[compact creek]

its like these people have collective amenisa or something and when askfor actual proof that njz themselves attacked othergroups its crickets

https://tenor.com/view/sana-twice-meme-sad-gif-22960644

[clear hill]

This talking point pisses me off so muchhhhhhh arghhkggk

ITS NOT JUST ABOUT THE IGNORE HER SITUATION ITS ABOUT THE FACT THAT HYBE HAS FABRICATED LIES ABOUT THE SITUATION FOR “EVIDENCE”, HYBE STAFF PURPOSEFULLY TREATING HANNI DIFFERENTLY THAN THE REST OF THE HYBE ARTISTS, THE CCTV FOOTAGE BEING DELETED, THE FRAUDOR CEO NOT TAKING HANNI SERIOUSLY AND MINIMIZING HER COMPLAINTS, OBVIOUS ANIMOSITY TOWARDS NJZ MEMBERS FROM THE REST OF THE HYBE STAFF/IDOLS

[hoary frost]

And its also about the fact they were trying to replace njz

Ppl don't get why the plagiarism is a big deal. Being similar isn't the issue. It's the intent of it, replacing njz creatives, planning to put them on hiatus, at the same time making a group with a similar concept

[clear hill]

That too and sooo much more but hybe defenders think these are such preposterous claims that come out of our ass when hybe already has a shady history 😩😩

Not just that but the hypocrisy of bsh saying they don’t have creative freedom after mhj filed a lawsuit for plagiarism against belift as if bsh post poned the debut bc the concept was too “weird” and he didn’t think it would do well

[hoary frost]

If they make so many crazy claims about mhj. I don't think it's crazy at all to say his ego made him offended at njz success and trying to replicate it

[clear hill]

Yet here we are in 5th gen where the njz impact is so clear as day and every new gg is a clear indicator of some sort of mhj/njz impact

[hoary frost]

Ahh alr thx for letting me know

[hoary frost]

And they would only say it when they are trying to insult them, like saying they missed loud/2nd/3rd gen music, saying njz did this

[fallow forge]

Omg the way no one actually listens is crazy

[clear hill]

I can just imagine him fuming and blocking every post he sees on social media during the ditto era mentioning njz, I know he was sooo pissed 💀

[hoary frost]

Lol

[clear hill]

It’s so crazy and hypocritical too because ‘get up’ had such a big impact whenever they hear dnb people think of super shy or newjeans😭

Like I hate to break it to you but it’s still loud music... dnb is under electronic music 💀💀

[hoary frost]

Also about engaging with people making arguments like that youtube comment section. Heard some bunnies saying that during 2024 we were quiet and let misinfo against mhj spread. Leading to the situation now

[clear hill]

Also to add to this I think it comes down to nostalgia for people and when there’s a noticeable change to the hobby you consume so much of your time and effort into you feel a sense of entitlement also. Like the critique the omg and ditto mvs had,we’ve developed such strong parasocial relationships with these idols, they’re who we want them to be, a princess one day and a girl crush the next day and when we lose that sense of control over them we get frustrated. Truth is kpop is ever so changing and a lot of kpop fans can’t handle that

[compact creek]

the only thing they see out of this are the clickbaity headlines that either exaggerate what happened or refuse to tell the whole story and just being plain ignorant as to what hybes major takeaway from this is

[clear hill]

Or how njz is so “westernized” and made kpop so westernized but the thing is kpop has always been soft politics for SK and a way for the rest of the world to get into South Korean pop culture

[hoary frost]

Thing is kpop was always westernized lol...look at the 1st gen songs...a copy of popular western songs

[clear hill]

Eeeeeexactly.

[compact creek]

yea people who say this gotta be bots cause kpop was literally inspired by western girlgroups/black rnb/hiphop

[clear hill]

It’s so funny too bc the first ever postcards came from the Motown era. Not kpop

[hoary frost]

Kpop very heavily inspired by motown groups

[clear hill]

Kpop is built on the foundation of black culture period. Delulu kpop fans don’t wanna admit that

[hoary frost]

Yeah i just don't know where this "westernized" kpop tsuff is coming from when it has been westernized for each and every generation

[compact creek]

like why would the shady company not act shady 😭😭 why would the big bad evil wolf not do whats in its name like hybe stans and people who refuse to listen newjeans are part of the problem and it pmo

[hoary frost]

Same people who cry over line distribution btw

[compact creek]

small minded stans who cant see the
bigger picture

[hoary frost]

Some enhypen fan was like Oh this is so suspicious, what is this company doing (about revelation from minju episode with 2 of the members). but after seeing a comment saying hanni was right, the same person went into some sort of meltdown and wrote an essay about why nobody should believe her...like not sure what is being accomplished here by saying empty words against mistreatments

[clear hill]

I saw that 😭😭😭😭😭😭the insane mental gymnastics they go thru just to defend an multimillion dollar ent company that has money as it’s best interest 😭

[fallow forge]

They just don’t like newjeans🤦🏽‍♀️ K-pop Stan’s don’t care they will believe everything bout the truth

[fallow forge]

And btw are we supposed to watch that video coming out tomorrow

Idk if we should or shouldn’t since it’s ador posting it or wtv and someone is saying their just trying to milk old content 😭

[craggy skiff]

just way until another link shared instead of the one from ador

[fallow forge]

Okay

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1932964461335491010

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

On June 12, 2025, the NJZ’s legal representative (Sejong/Wooseung) submitted an official application to the court to correct an error. Such errors can include typos or mistakes in names, identification numbers, or addresses.

( Appeal )

X · Jun 12, 2025, 12:53 AM

[pulsar wasp]

we waiting for hearing in July, right?

how’s everyone holding up? praying those in LA are safe

[heady gate]

It is 1:30pm KST. Any news of the MHJ's hearing?

[fleet nebula]

we good, vibin' out as usual 🙂

[pulsar wasp]

which is this hearing regarding?

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1932923556784189886?t=HcrpbF6DU1GKWjyvUCTjsw&s=19

[harsh dove]

@PoppyKPoppie <t:1749679862:d>

[copper jetty]

MHJ vs HYBE: SHAREHOLDERS AGREEMENT HEARING NO.2 (RECAP 4/17/25)

1. According to Min Hee-jin’s legal reps (Sejong LLC), HYBE still hasn’t proven the shareholder agreement termination was legally valid.
   They’ve submitted zero rebuttals to MHJ’s arguments calling it illegal. ⚖️

2. The Seoul Central District Court has officially merged two lawsuits into one joint trial:
   — HYBE’s claim to confirm the agreement’s termination
   — MHJ’s ₩26B compensation lawsuit over that same termination

3. MHJ’s team has already filed two sets of written arguments.
   HYBE? Still unable to explain why their termination notice wasn’t illegal.

4.The court agreed the cases are too interconnected to be tried separately.
So now it’s one big legal battle and the trial officially resumes today, June 12, 2025.

[weak relic]

Hybe confirm terminate? Not want to keep going with newjeans?
Confirm termination is gud thing

[copper jetty]

This is for the shareholder's agreement with mhj

[weak relic]

I see

[heady gate]

It is 3pm KST.

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1933044889060831532

[harsh dove]

@catzkang <t:1749708790:d>

The 4th hearing date for the lawsuit to confirm the termination of the shareholders agreement and the lawsuit to claim payment of the put option price has been set for September 11, 2025. (15:00)

(MHJ VS HYBE)

[heady gate]

Sep 11.

[copper jetty]

There's still no update on what happened in the 3rd hearing.

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/poppykpoppie/status/1933053012525932547?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

sejong in one of their rebuttals during today’s hearing on mhj’s shareholder agreement and put options lawsuit. 💪☝🏼

X · Jun 12, 2025, 6:45 AM

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1933068421618421850?t=Q_iTYXO1DpDMS5Xh5P3R7A&s=33

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

‼️ MIN HEEJIN VS HYBE ‼️

What Actually happened:
✍️ MHJ's Lawsuit: Min Heejin wanted to sell her shares in ADOR back to HYBE, using a “put option” in their contract. MHJ is suing HYBE to demand payment for exercising the put option.
✍️ HYBE's Lawsuit: HYBE said “No, you broke

X · Jun 12, 2025, 7:46 AM

More in Details:
❓Seoul Central District Court decided to hold a combined trial for both lawsuits because they are related.
❓MHJ submitted written arguments, challenging HYBE’s termination reasons and highlighting HYBE’s failure to address the termination’s illegality.
❓HYBE claims that from the time Min Heejin joined, she wanted to use HYBE’s money to create an independent label, take their trainees, make a successful idol group, and then leave with the group.
❓If the court rules that the termination was valid, MHJ will lose her put option rights and the associated payment
❓If the court rules in MHJ’s favor, HYBE may be required to pay her the estimated 26 billion KRW for her shares

[storm warren]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1933076248089264517

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

“On this day, the court first conducted the lawsuit confirming the termination of the shareholder contract, asked both sides about whether the argument would be concluded”. Seems like the judge has the intention to close the debate on lawsuit of shareholder contract termination.

X · Jun 12, 2025, 8:17 AM

https://x.com/bammi057/status/1933066389377425874

yb (@bammi057)

HYBE: “Min carried out a plan to ‘poach’ NewJeans”

Mins side: At the time of the injunction the issues raised focused on independence from HYBE and alleged attempts to privatize NewJeans framed as managerial usurpation but HYBE only began mentioning ‘poaching’ after the lawsuit”

X · Jun 12, 2025, 7:38 AM

can hybe stick to one storyline omg 💀

[copper jetty]

Yeah. I think judge want this concluded by the 4th hearing

[storm warren]

it seems the judge heard enough. hope September trial is last

[copper jetty]

Which is absurd. Like Hybe's main point there MHJ joined just to establish her own label and poach newjeans but establishing evidences for this is hard. Also how did MHJ know that she's gonna be in charge of her own label? She didn't, not until bsh himself offered her to spearhead Ador.

[storm warren]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1933077903232954778

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

Since HYBE once again submitted Kakao talk as the evidence, the judge needed to wait for the verdict of its legality by Western local court on 6/27. HYBE used the BeLift case (7/18) as the point to support the termination of agreement, so the next debate was arranged after that.

X · Jun 12, 2025, 8:24 AM

[copper jetty]

Atp I don't know which kktalk chat they're talking about with how many there is already smdh

[storm warren]

What does Belift have to do with contract termination now

[copper jetty]

Hell if I know.

[storm warren]

Ig they wanna say "mhj disrupted belift business, so we fired her" which is ridiculous

[copper jetty]

Wasn't that the hearing that was postponed by belift themselves?

[short laurel]

September is far

[storm warren]

everyone trying to use KKT chats as evidence is beyond hilarious

literally nothing else, just KKT chats

[copper jetty]

They submitted evidence (kktalk chats again) that was linked to belift's case in july so they need to wait for that. If I'm understanding it correctly.

[short laurel]

Illegally taken kkt. N any action by mhj against bethief was to protect njz which was her duty as ador ceo at that time. Last year injunction court said something like this iirc

[copper jetty]

Atp I think someone needs to investigate hybe for hacking into mhj's privacy. Like why do they keep getting her kktalk chats.

[copper jetty]

Illegaly taken meaning they won't stand in court. Idk how they'll look at the validity of that

[storm warren]

they cant prove they followed correct procedures to terminate contract, cant prove that mhj poached njz and are using belift case to make a case that she harmed another sub label so thats why they fired her. thats how i understand it

tho idk how it will work as it was mhj's duty to protect njz as ceo which was also confirmed during first injunction

[short laurel]

Exactly what i said

[storm warren]

we will see how it goes ig lmfao its ridiculous and hybe is beyond shameless

[short laurel]

Plus mhj action was private. Hybe made it public

[storm warren]

i hope sejong finds a way to make kkt chats completely unusable as hybe completely depends on it for their argument

[copper jetty]

Idk... the fact that those messages are private and the owner of those chat didn't agree for it's collection and use, I think sejong might have a way for them to get rid of it. The precedent was the first case when court didn't accept it. I'm wondering now what k&c would argue for the court to accept those.

[copper jetty]

Yup thought so. https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1933066967424118960?t=k1TnbzDtixlok3mFC7IBCw&s=19

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

Lmao.
The judge once again rejected to let HYBE to illustrate PPT containing Kakao talks at the court.

X · Jun 12, 2025, 7:40 AM

[waxen musk]

I wish I knew what Hybe thinks is so damning about these KKT messages.

Well these couple of Twitter accounts giving updates seem pretty positive on things going our way.

Schedule has been updated.

[short laurel]

Why kkt chat not encrypted. Korea really depends on garbage chat app. Encryption is basic

[waxen musk]

Someone explain this, I just woke up: https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1933083271140954481

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

HYBE's statement in court today contained a fatal strategic error: its claim that "NJZ was not created by MHJ" and its claim that "MHJ caused significant harm to ADOR which was sufficient to the termination of the agreement" were self-contradictory.

X · Jun 12, 2025, 8:45 AM

[craggy skiff]

lmao. the first claim is suck but the second one is interesting
What mhj did to harm ador since her secret plan is not going yet?
If they claim she harm bethief or hybe, at least it make sense

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1933062672834310460

. (@TokkiLoops)

Next hearing is September 11 with a witness testimony.

X · Jun 12, 2025, 7:23 AM

Witness testimony.

[copper jetty]

What in the inception is this? But also same, how did k&c argue this,

[waxen musk]

Are they talking about "NJZ" or "NewJeans" not being created by MHJ? I use both names so interchangeably I didn't initially think about it.

[clear hill]

The mhj Hybe allegations are all so contradictory and just run back in a full circle. One minute mhj wants to take over Hybe but the next minute she wants to destroy Hybe. Hybe Stans make it make sense

[hushed whale]

https://x.com/alldoorsoneroom/status/1933087021586960401?s=46
lol

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X · Jun 12, 2025, 9:00 AM

[waxen musk]

Who's applying?

[hushed whale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEGweDvaj7k
Creative Director : Nayeon Kim 🤔

[copper jetty]

You never know though. Her previous plans could potentially still be there

[waxen musk]

THE FUCKING USB STICK

[lucid yarrow]

still so much waiting

[copper jetty]

But from what we're seeing... it seems that the only thing Hybe really had was those kktalk chats.

[craggy skiff]

Nayeon Kim? so she still stay in ador?

[waxen musk]

Would the boys in the video above actually be part of the auditions/potentially be in a future ADOR boy group, or are they just hired for the video?

[hushed whale]

nayeon kim is pretty common name i think, dont know if this is her

[copper jetty]

Is this the same Nayeon Kim on newjeans team or different?

[craggy skiff]

dont know. I just asking

[waxen musk]

I vaguely remember there being confusion between two people with that name in the past.

[copper jetty]

Same

One from belift and one from Ador

[waxen musk]

lol

[short laurel]

Call child protective services against parents who send their kids to hybe

[waxen musk]

It's still a very desirable place to work... somehow.

It's easy to download that video from their website. I just wonder if you should upload it here, rather than have people click on their YouTube video.

[craggy skiff]

dont know. still a lot of people will register. after all, it is high chance to debut

[waxen musk]

Why does this and the upcoming NewJeans video feel like distractions.

Anyway, nothing unexpected.

I see people on Twitter saying don't give them promo... like that's gonna work. I feel like the "promo" is inevitable. You kind of have to talk about it if everyone else is going to anyway. I know people disagree.

[craggy skiff]

the only unexpected thing we could have now is wake up with the appeal result come up

[waxen musk]

I'm not expecting that for another few weeks at the soonest.

[hollow sorrel]

are any of these actual NewJeans ADOR staff except for Nayeon Kim??

[hushed whale]

some, like 5 i think

[hollow sorrel]

yeah this was pretty much bound to happen, we know that a bg was in the works but now that they lost NJZ it looks like they are speeding up the work to make money

[upbeat stream]

I saw people saying Nayeon Kim worked with illit recently. Is that true? There's nothing about it on her website or ig. She has a list of her works and there's no mention of illit, so I'm just wondering