NJZ Updates and Discussion

[short laurel]

Look at what somu did with gfriend during their early years n trainee days.
Like 1 ipad for alk members to use talk to their family once in a while. Like prison...

[hoary frost]

Oh yeah you just reminded me. i think nowadays rookies get to have phones? but it didnt use to be the case

[vale grove]

Now my question is was pit stop always intended for their full album? Lyrically it sounds like it was made in reference to the situation they are going through

[short laurel]

Yea. But their life are still restricted.

[vale grove]

Honestly may depend on the company, I remember when it used to be only until your first win on a music show!

[hoary frost]

Yeah I'm just remembering old standard for groups

[hoary frost]

oh yeah that was usally the condition

[short laurel]

Improved now but still way far. Also smart phones are more accessible now with brands doing promotion with their phones probably helped

[hoary frost]

I also think demographic who wants to be kpop idols has changed

[short laurel]

Also with social media n chats like bubble n weverse

[vale grove]

I think I just miss the girls. Can’t wait for this to be over…..

[hoary frost]

oh yeah this bubble thing

[short laurel]

was it bts who started social media trend that brought the change?

[hoary frost]

what social media trend

[short laurel]

I heard back then be4 bubble idols were not used to interact with fans on social media.

N bts members started it

[hoary frost]

Did bts used to interact with fans

[short laurel]

That's what i heard among different fandoms. I m not too sure

[hoary frost]

Idk about this. never heard of this in my life

[short laurel]

Ppl said members using social media is big part of them becoming big. N members idea, not bsh

[hoary frost]

In what way. not doubting just wondering...like how did they interact wtih fans

[short laurel]

Like ig streams n stuff ig.

[hoary frost]

vlive was a thing tho....idont think bts popularized that did they

[short laurel]

Be4 vlive

[hoary frost]

every idol used vlive

[short laurel]

I m talking about when they debuted. Vlive is 2015.

[hoary frost]

vlive made 2015..idt bts were that popular back then to make such an impact

[short laurel]

Idk. Must be wrong then.

But different fandoms made these claims i heard it in rvcord n among aespa fans. 🤷‍♂️

[hoary frost]

maybe they meant in another context

[short laurel]

Maybe.

[hoary frost]

or bts did get quite popular in 2016. well not sure

[short laurel]

Also it's hybe who killed vlive. N removed all the legacy videos n sued anyone who tried to save then in public archive. So many small groups lives gone.

[hoary frost]

I think vlive was gonna shut down anyways

[short laurel]

Groups that no longer exists. N with smaller fan base not even have them saved

[hoary frost]

but yeah I do miss vlives

[short laurel]

Atleast let there be public archive. It's the reason i started hating hybe

[hoary frost]

yeah they should have allowed public archive

i didnt know it wasnt allowed

[short laurel]

Internet archive have files u can download but they are not hosted as website to watch videos

[ashen charm]

girl crush melodys have be a staple since forever njz did not create it 😭

[short laurel]

Taylor Swift brought rights of her music back

https://www.taylorswift.com/

[short laurel]

She needs to work on her fonts in her letter

[old cypress]

seems like everyone on the internet think njz has to pay 1B each

[cinder narwhal]

they do 😭

where they getting that money

5B complexcon
1B dani livy live
3B dani maknaez cafe tour
1B hyein cafe tour
1B minji cafe tour
1B hanni live
1B dani Australia church fanmeet
14B total 💀

[timber shell]

wow are we cooked

[vale grove]

no

[heady gate]

Where are they getting that money? HYBE needs 14B to hire more lawyers.😅

[vale grove]

The second you start thinking like that it becomes true and we can’t let that become true

[thorny knot]

*tt https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8MD4gh7/

[harsh dove]

@에스

[thorny knot]

This song ages like fine wine every day

[storm warren]

hybecels delusions are off the charts

[hollow shore]

the hate that NJZ gets on r/kpop is so insane. It is hard to believe people are that hateful. I just have to believe some of them are just being paid.

[potent lichen]

Don’t even go into those spaces with hate

A lot of them are stans of other groups and want NJ downfall so their ults can take spotlight

[rich monolith]

the hypocrite

[copper jetty]

Why would you torture yourself like that?

[hoary frost]

I was in nct subreddit and they even noticed that the kpop subreddits have a weird bias for hybe groups and against groups of sm and njz etc...idk when did this start

[copper jetty]

It was subtle. Noticed it by 2023-2024 for some of the subs but longer I guess on the others.

And funny thing is when some of the neutral ones point this out they'll reason out "There's No SuCh THinG as A HyBe StAn, We JuSt HaPpEn To like most Hybe gRouPs. 🥴
All the while as lickng that company and finding no fault on them. (Even when there is.) The times I've seen them move the goalpost on their arguments is just crazy.

Obviously I don't go anywhere near there anymore. I stay on the NJZ and newjeans sub but there are still times where those guys actually have the courage to go to the newjeans sub just to spread misinformation that they got from the internet too is just crazy. Smh

[short laurel]

Nothing news. Hybe stans blame sm n sm groups for every bad press against hybe.

Hybe is obsessed with getting sm while hybe stans are obsessed with hating sm or sm idols or ex sm employees unprovoked.

[hoary frost]

Even in njz sub (which has just 3k members) they try to come there. There was somebody, forgot who. but they made some weird offbeat comment in the sub and I was abit curious, so I checked their profile and they were belonging to some subreddit to hate on njz (quite obvious what they're intentions) . and they got banned for that comment and went crying back to the og subreddit saying they banned me because I liked lesserafim or smth 🤣 and I remember that the hybe fans were saying now illit and lesserafim posts are hated on the subreddit and removed when that whole subreddit is heavily hybe biased. Like how long until the victim complex wears off

[copper jetty]

They're clowns. Idk how much of those are actual people and how much are tag PR employee's and bots

[hoary frost]

reddit is especially easy to infiltrate with agendas. I mean I don't doubt most of them are genuine but how is it that everyone in that subreddit is now pro hybe anti artists anti sm anti njz...?

[hoary frost]

Thing is that sm fans never spend their time defending the company like that.They just like the gropus style. hybe fan have the idea in their head bts built hybe and have alot of pride over it. So attacking hybe is like attacking bts

[copper jetty]

I think it's because reddit accounts can literally be bought. If I'm correct. You can just sell your account to other people and others would be none the wiser.

[copper jetty]

True

[hoary frost]

I remember tag pr people were discussing how easy reddit is to use

There was an article about it, i don't know if I have it now

also I have seen company listing for active reddit accounts with decent karma etc to post things that they want

[copper jetty]

Yeah that's actually what I meant. Buying already established accounts with decent karma and karma farming is kinda a thing in reddit too..

[hoary frost]

Yea there are alot of karma farmer accounts on reddit

[short laurel]

No one defends companies like hybe stans. I m saying that hybe n it's stans has some weird obsession of sm.

[craggy skiff]

How many time njz need violate to save bang sihyuk?

[flint stone]

Lives and attending cafe isn't really entertainment activity, so I don't think it was in list,and complexcon was before they recived the May 30 court ruling. Also, Korean court works only in Korea, you know. https://x.com/juantokki/status/1928616034749264255?t=w04p-kW7H-O_JCnI556KEw&s=19
Fanmeet in church? Bro, she just went there and fans was there, just timing and fans are everywhere. It's not like she went there to meet bunnies

[flint stone]

They think too much about things they don't really now about

[cinder narwhal]

damn it's a joke 😭

[flint stone]

Bro, 14b isn't a joke and we can't read your mind to understand if you are serious or not 😬

[cinder narwhal]

😭

[polar owl]

Anyway - What's with the appeal not getting a date for hearing ? Blocking someone’s right to work and livelihood seems just fine with the courts..

[mild mist]

because the injunction ruling states that they're not blocking their right to work

from a legal standpoint, nothing stops them from working with ADOR

[subtle matrix]

Plus they already have the legal means to terminate the contract with ador...

... they just have to pay a ridiculous amount of money that they couldn't possibly have

[storm warren]

they are still submitting documents

appeal date should be announced soon tbh. how long are they gonna do rebuttals back and forth

[polar owl]

Is NJZ legal team submitting the documents?

[polar owl]

(Yapping) The injunction technically is not restricting them to work - but the options are:

• sending the girls back to a stated hostile work environment (not disproved)
• terminate with a huge payout
• stay in a limbo, in your peak years.

Surely, the court knows the implications of the decision, and the impact - hint is carry on with your contracts - don't want the company to be harmed.

[short laurel]

Or switch careers.

That's why i keep pointing out. This decision sounds like human rights violation

[polar owl]

Yes, basis fundamental rights, constitutional rights or even on humanitarian grounds - this is a high-handed decision

Anyway, June 5th will likely give a clearer sense of the direction this is taking.

[short laurel]

5 more days

[stiff prairie]

Is bsh behind bars yet?

[red thorn]

Nope he isn't bartender yet

[stiff prairie]

tsk tsk

[leaden thistle]

I have one question to ask

So njz has gone to a trip? Like travelling to Australia? And then, the court is like adding more on them altho they just went for a trip?

[subtle matrix]

Not sure what you mean

[leaden thistle]

Anyone also can read chinese here? I try my best to translate what it said maybe or i copy and paste

An average of 1 billion won in breach of contract for each member! NewJeans was spotted on a group tour in Australia, and fans were shocked: Just worry about your life for a while On November 28 last year, the girl group NewJeans held an emergency press conference and unilaterally announced that it would terminate its contract with the company. After that, the two sides launched a long legal confrontation. However, after the court accepted ADOR's application for a temporary injunction, today (30), the court made another ruling on NewJeans' objection application, and issued a ruling that "each member must pay ADOR 1 billion won in compensation for each independent activity."

https://www.kagit.kr/posts/158595?fbclid=IwQ0xDSwKnwGBjbGNrAqfAW2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAAEeXdGKCrItStz4xqG0w--3lA9ZHDOqBZ4i0poQkRUdBtfqjPGoaqLun_zGxq8_aem_rVWIreWoVw2ilm431JM3yw

I just send the link instead, is this real idk

[timber shell]

i heard that was already filled with ador's injunction

[hoary frost]

they are on a trip and no they don't need to pay anything right now. they just established penalty amm if they conduct commercial activities which they haven't

[timber shell]

it started with 2b each, but court decided to 1b

[leaden thistle]

Fk all fb comments, brainless bullshit, anyways like njz rn cant even went to trip by themselves? Like wtf bro

[hoary frost]

also this is like 2 days late

[hoary frost]

They can go on the trip

[leaden thistle]

Ikr, but just a trip

[hoary frost]

Trip is unrelated to this, this verdict was given before, they just finalized the amm they would have to pay IF they broke the ruling which they didn't

[leaden thistle]

U go read from the link instead ig, fk wtf is wrong is this penalty, also fans trashtalking to them

So ppl literally trying to pull something up to attack them now

[subtle matrix]

I don't think anyone was saying they have to pay because of the trip

[hoary frost]

Some people were trying to say dani church fansign /visiting fancafes arent allowed

[leaden thistle]

That's what im confusing of, what were the ppl trying to do that's also 1 point

[hoary frost]

they were bsing

[leaden thistle]

😔

[mild mist]

reminder:

Article 4: Scope and Media of Entertainment Activities
Activities as musicians, including songwriting, composing, performing, and singing, as well as related activities such as TV appearances and event hosting.

Acting-related activities, including working as actors, models, voice actors, and TV talents.

Commercial activities based on the debtors’ status and popularity as public cultural artists, including appearing in advertisements as advertising models.

Other activities related to the above categories, though not limited to them. If there is any uncertainty about whether an activity qualifies as an entertainment activity, both parties shall determine it through mutual consultation.

[short laurel]

India hates pakistani more than nazi or British. India should be mad at British for what they've done but 🤷‍♂️
History books in school barely teach us about India anyways. Atleast that's how it was in my highschool Years

At this point for haters girls just existing is a violation.

They are celebrities. Ofc people will recognise them n call them. Girls can't just ignore ppl. It's dumb to consider a random public meeting an idol activity. These haters really have a problem with 5 young girls one of which is a minor, just living their lives.

[subtle matrix]

They only have a problem with 4 of the girls, they still think Hyein is gonna pull a keena or was it Haerin now bc she didn't go to Australia

[short laurel]

Haerin is in australia. She was in washroom

Anti's were saying that about both of them. But there are ppl who hate them.

[grizzled summit]

Wtf you talking about we have one chapter about H!tler and his atrocities towards jews (a 30 page chapter btw)

[short laurel]

They did said there's 1 chapter

I don't think there's was even 1 during my school days. But i hated sst so i might've missed it.

[grizzled summit]

Oh then I might have misunderstood then, apologies

[short laurel]

Also middle school equivalent, not high school* . High school would be +1, +2 i did science there so no idea about other fields if they have topic of ww2 in it.

[grizzled summit]

Yuh your cbse right

[short laurel]

God all i remember is prithvi raj Chouhan, gandhi n their birthdays n days n years xyz event happened.

[grizzled summit]

Same

[grizzled summit]

They include him EVERYWHERE

[short laurel]

Lets go #off-topic

[grizzled summit]

Even In geography, politics and economics

[waxen musk]

lol I just yapped a lot then deleted it.
Since waking up all the horrible noise around the fees got so loud, just wanted to vent.

[old cypress]

they'll be crashing out when they realize njz doesn't have to pay 5B lol

[waxen musk]

I'm literally getting goosebumps right now thinking about them winning the appeal.

[empty halo]

Just saw an army accuse Bang Si Hyuk of being responsible for Jungkooks stocks being stolen when he was in the military

The day that fandom turns on him its so over

[waxen musk]

I've got so much to say but really the conclusion I keep coming to is just... wait and see what happens.

[analog depot]

Does anyone have a timeline of all the incidents so far?

[short laurel]

There are army who absolutely hate bsh but they are mostly ppl who stanned bts since their debut days or akgae mostly akgae.

[empty halo]

I've noticed a few but most either claim to "not care" (while obviously lowk defending him) or actively defend him saying everything is mediaplay against him

lets see how that goes now bc associating w him when he has ongoing investigations hurts the rep of bts

[short laurel]

Lol anything against hybe is mediaplay by sm or sm ex employees or sm idols or trainees or ex idols, according to army

[empty halo]

might be in the pins. Actually the pins themselves can sort of serve as a timeline lmao

[waxen musk]

Pins keep getting deleted so that more can be added, not that things get added these days. So it's not really great.
I think maybe the "Serious Discussion" thread on /r/NewJeans might be ok for a timeline but I haven't checked it myself.
I won't lie though, trying to catch up now through some "timeline" seems like an almost impossible task. I can barely keep up and have things I don't fully comprehend and I've been following stuff closely since the beginning.

@analog depot Forgot to reply

[empty halo]

I think that might be bc people here focus on very tiny irrelevant details too. Im sure a timeline of the most important things that have happened can and probably has been constructed.

[hoary frost]

I think jungkook/vkook fans are the most likely to be against bsh from what I've seen. Don't know the reason why

[empty halo]

well jk for one expressed very clear support for njz and I think V has made fun of bsh before

[short laurel]

Jk wasn't treated right in the past by bsh.

[empty halo]

I remember seeing a clip of him being asked "would you rather have 5 bang pds or a 5 year old bang pd" and he very seriously said "neither 😐 "

[hoary frost]

Oh yeah I was going to bring this up

[empty halo]

wasn't he sexualised when he was a minor too?

[hoary frost]

But yeah ot7 army is neutral to bsh or straight up positive but I've noticed vkook/jungkook/ (idk about v fans) are very negative towards him

[empty halo]

(and it might be in the present too bc I don't think we know who exactly it was that stole jk's stocks )

[hoary frost]

also ig a huge marketing thing of hybe positive peddling is the fact bts built it but akgae would be against some members so don't fall for that slogan

[empty halo]

I've seen armys hate on bsh also bc he thinks that he's personally responsible for the success of BTS and can replicate it

As time passes though it's clear that it was a one time thing and alot of it came down to the charisma of the members and the fandom they garnered

[hoary frost]

oh i never saw this

[empty halo]

I saw an army say it and it is true lmao BSH is not the group creating genius he pretends to be after the success of bts

he thinks of himself as THE kpop producer and group managing genius when he simply isn't

[hoary frost]

Well i can see armies be mad over his ego maybe. im surprised more dont follow that line of thought

[empty halo]

Yeah right bc hes directly stealing credit for the success of their favourite group

[short laurel]

King of kpop according to newyork times

[empty halo]

paid york times

[short laurel]

Which media is not paid anyways

[empty halo]

idk how armys can be happy seeing bsh be called the king of kpop and not their beloved group but okay side eye

[short laurel]

Just today i saw ppl calling bsh a genius

[hoary frost]

oh they were like treating hybe like their personal empire

Omaigod the hybe empire is growing!! we are extending to china!!!

[short laurel]

It was under post about bsh getting investigate

[hoary frost]

What was the context

[empty halo]

I saw that one too 😭

[short laurel]

On twter. Kpop media accounts sharing news about him getting investigated. Some ppl are calling sn mediaplay n he's a genius n such

[empty halo]

they treat hybe like their personal empire bc bts was basically responsible for it even being created but then they don't get pissed when bsh takes the credit ❓ whatever its a bad idea to delve into kpop stan logic bc your brain will be irreparably rotted

[hoary frost]

Yeah I guess the fact bts brought up hybe into such a big company is a huge source of pride. but i mean they were literally reacting to the news like it was their favourite group or something

[waxen musk]

Sometimes I see people argue "why do haters keep talking about NJZ if they don't care" and am tempted to tell you guys the same thing about BTS. (But I'm not saying you're hating BTS lol.)

I know why you're discussing this stuff, but just saying this thought came to mind and made me laugh.

[short laurel]

Hating bsh n hybe.

[hoary frost]

Yeah mostly we r talking about the reasons why ppl are so infatuated with hybe

[waxen musk]

Yeah like I said I understand. Just an amusing thought.

[hoary frost]

also those ppl are straight up keeping tabs on njz every second and spreading libel against the group directly every second

[waxen musk]

Just wanted to expand on myself saying I don't fully comprehend a lot of stuff.
A lot comes from just forgetting what happened.
But most comes from not completely understanding the way haters understand the situation incorrectly.
I literally just now saw someone repeat the stuff as usual and I won't lie, I forget what exactly their position is, especially on their understanding of MHJ's press conference causing hate towards certain idols.

And stuff like the KKT messages. I don't remember exactly what they said because so long ago I learned where they came from and how out of context they are and just basically ignored them completely. However we've got these haters remembering and bringing up these KKT messages as like the most important thing proving how horrible MHJ is.
I just feel a bit stupid sometimes because it makes it harder for me to argue against these people because I'm basically not knowing what they're referencing in the first place. Because I ignore the stuff that doesn't matter whereas they make it the crux of their whole arguments.

The whole fees situation just makes everything just clear as day again regarding how Hybe operates their media play when something terrible is happening on their end, and how everyone just eats it up, ignoring what's important (BSH fraud) and thinking these fees are the thing that just ends NJZ forever. It's insanity.

Anyway don't be surprised if I delete this yapping. I'm not saying a lot despite the word count. So much TEMPORARY irritation from what seems like a lot of people. I'll say it again, we just need to wait and see what happens.

[subtle matrix]

No one really knows the full picture here. It's years' worth of events. People just tend to latch on to the stuff that helps their argument lol

[stiff prairie]

Ash writing bigass paragraphs again. The game is back

[waxen musk]

You don't know how many big paragraphs I've deleted already.

[stiff prairie]

[waxen musk]

The louder these people get the more I want to argue against them but feel powerless and just don't even bother. They're so quick and ready with their "evidence" and I'm so slow to do careful research and find sources. It's like they're prepared with responses and seem so confindent in their (incorrect) understanding of everything. So here I am just yapping away because I'm frustrated even though it's best to just walk away and forget about it until something actually important is found out hopefully soon.

I wish there was like an FAQ or something, where the question is something the haters repeatedly say and the answer is just the truth. And to have this as something quick and easy to reference and come back to.

[upper solstice]

It’s over

[short laurel]

What is?

[upper solstice]

the last good kpop group ever

[waxen musk]

I want to hear your reasoning.

[hollow sorrel]

I have a question.
After HYBE/Bang Si Hyuk is exposed for financial misconduct and other illegal activities would HYBE itself have to pay penalties for the authorities or would it be Bang Si Hyuk only?

[short laurel]

If other board members knew about it then both bang n the company will be fined. Shareholders can sue the company.

[hollow sorrel]

Thank you. I’ve read about the administrative fines and there seems to be a 1.5-2x (the amount of illicit profit) rule

I can’t wait to see how it will unfold

[short laurel]

Tbh i not have faith in sk on this. They let his bs be for so long.

[polar owl]

Trust MHDHH, their resolve to fight this behemoth, staying as one unit. If they are fighting it out risking everything, we just need to continue support them.

[hollow sorrel]

the fact that FSS and the police are both investigating him
especially with the FSS one being "fast tracked" meaning the case is very serious (there is substantial amount of evidence)

it would be really suspicious if nothing happens after all this...
HYBE employees are resigning and there will probably be a lot of whistleblowers as well

[polar owl]

Will this help the case?

with NJZ

[hollow sorrel]

hmm I don't see how HYBE's financial concerns could help them in a case over entertainment law, however one of the people involved with this fraud case is an ADOR board member so maybe they can involve him in their argument somehow idk

[short laurel]

If bsh is gone maybe they'll change their stance on njz. Afterall bsh is the cause of the problem.

[subtle matrix]

I believe the violation is on BSH not hybe

[waxen musk]

People sharing this short video explaining the fees for anyone who would like it: https://t.co/LM1DyTF3rp

[compact creek]

miofari my goat

[weak relic]

Thanks

[short laurel]

So they are taly's replacement

[waxen musk]

They have a much smaller reach and aren't using their own voice or face, but sure...

[short laurel]

Honestly much better that they are keeping their identity hidden. Not as much risk of leaks by haters or stupid ppl about their personal life.

[waxen musk]

There's still a need for this sort of thing. Like in the main chat someone posted a misleading thing and this is just so easy and quick to send to that person to explain the situation in a quick and lazy way without me having to explain anything or them having to read paragraphs.

What Taly was doing exclusively content-wise was as good as we ever got for that type of thing. It's so frustrating when "personalities" get involved and humans behave as humans do, which just messes up the whole thing which should just be cold hard facts distributed in an easy to digest way. Oh well...

[short laurel]

That's why a taly who hide their face is needed so no one recognise them n get their personal life into it.

[waxen musk]

I mentioned @djzippy2020 on TikTok as making some NJZ related update videos these days. He shows his face and has a personality outside of this NJZ stuff, plus interest in things outside of NJZ. But he feels like the only Taly replacement I've actually seen... somewhat.

Please if anyone else has other examples other than these two, let me know!

[marsh roost]

how much is 1 billion won again, like 1000 usd?

[rain spade]

723071

[rugged dagger]

it's usually just move decimal over left 3 spaces and it's a bit less than that

like 1 bil krw is a bit less than 1 mil usd

[waxen musk]

I'm laughing at 1tokki destroying this complete idiot who thinks loops was posting some recent photos of them in Australia when they were actually just photos of the girls at fashion shows from 1-2 years ago. Not sure why 1tokki is spending so much time with this moron though, but it's a good laugh.

[raven kelp]

sk election in 2 days...i had no idea that stanning a group would make me this aware of another country and their politics

[short laurel]

More aware of sk politics than your own countries politics

[rain spade]

Trueee

[heady gate]

Same, I began visiting Korean news websites about their election two weeks ago.

[copper jetty]

2nd hearing is in 4 more days guys. I'm scared...

I am hopeful but I don't want to be disappointed if it doesn't go the way I want to, so I'm not gonna keep my hopes up.

Sorry guys... I think I'm missing the girls much more today than most days.

[waxen musk]

Same, it's just been a build up of spending too much time on social media reading negativity towards them.

Just know there's still a good chance things go our way. Probably just as good a chance as things don't go our way. But at least there's a good chance at all. There's no reason to give up hope.

I don't really have a good idea of how indicative this upcoming hearing will be as to the final ruling, knowing it will take a long time to resolve.

So for Thursday all my hopes are just in hopefully gaining some knowledge about what evidence will be presented.

These things are unpredictable, as we've seen.

[upbeat stream]

I want to hear whatever the judge has to say. Last hearing he did say some imteresting stuff, unlike the injuction hearing where the judge was tight-lipped

[waxen musk]

Am I right in understanding that both sides have pre-submitted their arguments and keep adding to those these past few weeks and days? So the hearing will obviously allow the judges to ask questions. But this is like the main big thing right? This is where the majority of the arguments will begin? And then the process to discover the truth behind each argument and come to a decision is obviously what comes after and will take a while to sort out. Just want to make sure I'm understanding things correctly.

[upbeat stream]

Does Korea even have discovery phase? I have heard not a thing about it

[waxen musk]

It sounds logical that if someone says something in court, that someone needs to back up if it's bullshit or not. But I have no idea how anything works.

[copper jetty]

The thing is even if the girls present evidence, so far from how the media is even moving, how sure are we that the media itself will spread the girls' side and evidence? From their track record i doubt that unless it's like bsh's investigations where it becomes so big that even the media can't ignore it.

[waxen musk]

The media won't do what we all want it to do, as we consistently see. So don't have any hope for that.

As we already saw, 150 articles about the fees, only 1 article presenting MHDHH's response.

[copper jetty]

I don't. But I know at least that's what the girls wanted. The reason they want this to go to court is to somehow show something. What that is, I don't know but I hope they also get the chance to be heard and to clear their name from this unreasonable hate train.

[waxen musk]

I have fears about nothing new really getting revealed. Just a differently presented or argued way of explaining the situation that we already know about. I think a lot of people are expecting "crazy new revelations" to come out, but people were hoping for that type of thing during previous hearings.

[short laurel]

Nothing will come out. Mark my words. These are extremely slow

[waxen musk]

Yeah probably.

The only reason I expect anything is because of the continuous additions to the pre-submitted things.

[upbeat stream]

They need to get it overturned at the appeal. Somehow. The main lawsuit will take way too long

[short laurel]

But if hybe ador presents something. Without verification the media will spread it like crazy

[short laurel]

I thought that was for appeal

[upbeat stream]

I'm honestly starting to think that if the injunction appeal fails, they are going to give up and return

[waxen musk]

I believe both, actually.

[short laurel]

Probably both.

[copper jetty]

This I'm kinda scared of this. And also, even if they present things, that the media will somehow again twist it.

[waxen musk]

I wish I knew where to find a link to that one resource people keep using to see court case updates.

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, same I need to know where they look it up

[waxen musk]

You know it will happen. Be scared, it's horrible. But it's nothing new. Expect it. I'm sorry to be so blunt.

[upbeat stream]

Perhaps b milo can help us

[waxen musk]

But just know that media does not equal reality of the situation.

[copper jetty]

Can foreigners even access it or only Koreans?

[copper jetty]

Sometimes it doesn't even feel like it

[heady gate]

I would focus on BSH's case. If he lost his power, it would benefit NJ's case results

[upbeat stream]

From what I remember, you only need the case number. But I forgot the website and the case number lol

[waxen musk]

Anyway, I wish I could distract myself for 4 days but I'm waiting for the Switch 2 which is also in 4 days.
I was hoping for that to district me from everything that's going on, but I think the opposite will be true, the hearing will distract my playing of the Switch 2.
Gonna force myself to do other things now. (Suggestions would be helpful, I've not been watching or playing anything these last two days lol. But that's off topic.)

[waxen musk]

It's insane some people live in this fake reality, but they'll be in for a shock if anything goes against what they seem so confident in knowing (such as appeal being granted as an example). With time, the truth will reveal itself.

[upbeat stream]

Wait, what tokki is still confident at this point?

[waxen musk]

Nah I’m saying like the people in the /r/kpop megathread speak so confidently about all these things we know are wrong.

[hoary frost]

Ive seen their reaction to the Attrakt stuff

trust the court people suddenly not trusting court and making loopholes when we know if it was the other way they wouldnt question it

[waxen musk]

Once people “know” something, they’ll can be proven wrong and it will be extremely difficult for them to accept. It’s a very human psychological problem that I have no idea how to “fix”.

[upbeat stream]

Oh yeah. Only now the courts are corrupt. When attrakt was winning, they used to rub the court rulings in 3jeong fans' faces lol

[short laurel]

What's the news about attrakt?

[rain spade]

lostt cupid right, lostt to sbs, not enough evidence on keena forge signatuue

[short laurel]

Ohk

Nice to know about cupid. It was 2 of the 3jeongs ver that made song popular right. Those girls deserves the song rights under their group.

Crazy on reddit cuz jyj lost people calling him incompetent or careless. What if he is evil too? Why ppl not considering that.

[mild mist]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor

[short laurel]

But attrakt lawyers firm are same as hybe lawyer firm. So nice to c them lossing atleast

[upbeat stream]

They lost 3 cases in a month after winning the injunction case and appeal back then. Tbh if I was an attrakt supporter, I would be spooked too, it's kinda crazy

[short laurel]

What was there case with sbs?

[mild mist]

who's?

[hoary frost]

it was defamation case against sbs for this "Billboard and Girl Groups – Who Clipped Their Wings?" on their investigative program (basically exploring the rift iirc)

[short laurel]

Ohk

[hoary frost]

They talk about him like he is a kid. i mean idk the full situation. But the way they talk is offputting

like they were saying he is too honest, too earnest, too innocent...I mean what

[heady gate]

All the Korean music associations supported him.

[short laurel]

All the korean music association are corrupt n supported hybe. So good to c their side loss

[copper jetty]

Most of them are pro company iirc, which bsh is a part of as he represents one of the biggest in south Korea. Of course they'll side with him since it's favorable for them to side with Hybe and not the artists.

[tired cairn]

No literally everything is in the next week? NJZ court, Switch 2, and some other k-groups too

Anyway go play arcaea so you can beat Minji at rhythm games

[short laurel]

Sky notes throw me off

[waxen musk]

Thanks for the suggestion. I like rhythm games but had not heard of that one.

[lyric geyser]

no

[fierce cloak]

do we have schedule for the upcoming NJZ & MHJ courts? funny how we dont have performance schedule but lawsuit schedule lol

[heady gate]

It is pinned

[fierce cloak]

oh thank you!

[cerulean lake]

🥲 just returned to this server after like a 2 month break after seeing they have to pay those fines 😪

haven’t been following the case much but seems like they have an important hearing soon and just trying to not be so hopeful bc it’s been so downhill the past months 😪

welp at least BSH is under fire rn for his financial crimes but i have a feeling sk is gonna just let him get away w it smh 🤨

also just to make sure is the paying 700k usd or smth just for the penalty that would have to pay if they did any group activities after the injunction? 🤔 just wanna see if the article titles are misleading

[sage venture]

It’s a nothing burger What’s the point of setting a penalty for group activities when the group is already on hiatus?

[hushed violet]

Is this true?

[sage venture]

also, no one seems to be pointing this out, but this injunction is only temporary It’s valid only until the first verdict in the main lawsuit Since the main case will either be about contract termination or next lawsuit seeking damages for breach of contract, it’ll most likely be resolved within this year, even if it takes some time
Of course, if they win the appeal, it could be resolved even sooner

[red thorn]

Seems even nor any side people that follow this case misinterpreted this temp ruling.

[cerulean lake]

hmm okok yeah seems like this appeal is really important. even though i really want them to win that, i think im just gonna keep my expectations to a reasonable level bc it was def hard after the injunction loss, which was why i stepped out of kpop in general for like a few months (lowkey don’t regret it) 😓😓

[cerulean lake]

seems like it’s more of a misleading title regarding the articles and it was something that was expected anyways.

but yk how the internet is, they like these titles and it just fits their confirmation bias that the girls are officially done for. sad but can’t really do anything against that for now unless they have some enormous win like with the appeal 😪🫠

[empty halo]

The first hearing is in a few days though? So if they do win this appeal, there wouldn't be much of a point to it bc the result of the main lawsuit will become more relevant right?

[sage venture]

you mean the hearing on June 5? That's the second hearing for the main lawsuit The appeal regarding the injunction hasn’t even started yet (no hearing date has been set I’m not sure why it’s being delayed like this, but it really should move forward within this month) If the appeal is successful, the previous injunction becomes invalid, which would mean the group can resume activities immediately

as for the main lawsuit, it’s a 'confirmation of contract' case. The court can only rule in one of two ways, either immediate contract termination, or the contract is deemed valid but irreparably damaged, leading to termination and a follow-up lawsuit for damages No matter how it ends, the only difference will be who has the upper hand in the damages case Either way, the company’s leverage weakens as time goes on

[empty halo]

https://youtube.com/@miofari?feature=shared

good channel for updates for anyone whos out of the loop ^^

[empty halo]

June 5th is the second hearing regarding the main lawsuit? Okay got it, mb I thought it was the first hearing

[empty halo]

Yes 🙂‍↕️

[abstract herald]

This was honestly explained so nicely tysm I’m hoping for the best for them staying strong

[mild mist]

We had the first hearing but I think that nothing happened. I certainly can't remember.

Then again I barely remember what I had for breakfast

[stable escarp]

Do the girls have to attend on the 5th or just their lawyers? I hope their vacation isnt cut short cos of it.

[mental lynx]

pretty sure they dont have to be there, if i remember correctly they werent there in the first trial either

[short laurel]

Yea misleading. Panelty is for only if they go against the ruling which they haven't

[cerulean lake]

hmm okok i haven’t been following the court cases bc it was just demoralizing for numerous reasons and then i was suddenly jumpscared by the penalty title when i opened google so i thought the ruling was over 😭

good to know it’s just based on activities after the injunction stuff but seriously shows how clickbait titles mislead people

[craggy skiff]

it much be a troll account. there is no way such a stupid person like that can exist

[chilly fable]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1929519015761953274

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1929519015761953274 does not contain any media!

[short laurel]

Hello, this is Team Bunnies.

Today, we have signed additional contracts with several law firms and legal offices, and we plan to file additional criminal complaints within this week.

This round of complaints will not simply be third-party reports of defamation, but will target malicious posts involving the spread of false information, insults, racism, and sexual harassment across major online communities and social media platforms such as DC Inside, Theqoo, FM Korea, Nate Pann, and Instiz. Based on the reports we’ve received and materials gathered through monitoring, we plan to pursue all possible legal actions.

For the approximately 150 individuals already reported, most of their identities have been confirmed and police investigations are currently underway. During this process, we have received over 10 requests for settlement — all of which have been firmly rejected. We are responding with zero tolerance.

Some of these cases have already been forwarded to the prosecution with recommendations for indictment, and we are closely tracking all developments in coordination with the members’ legal representatives.

We ask for your continued reports and submissions through PROTECT NJZ (https://report.teambunnies.info).

Thank you.

Law Firms: Sejong LLC | Opes Law Office | Neuroyer Law Office | Taeyeon Law Office | Saeol Law Office

TEAM BUNNIES

[heady gate]

five law firms

[old cypress]

rich bunnies

[orchid field]

amazing fandom, getting shit done but like for REAL

[mild mist]

not for much longer

[short laurel]

there are korean bunnies asking team bunnies to open crowd funding for this. so idt there will be any money issue.

[vale grove]

Have our wallets ready just in case….

[rugged dagger]

i always wondered where we could contribute

[short laurel]

it'll probably be limited to koreans like last time

[vale grove]

Is there a way to contact team bunnies to ask if international can contribute as well?

I’m all for dipping into some of my extra leftover cash to help, I mean I use it on merch anyways. I could use it for smth useful for once 🥲

[short laurel]

Maybe. They not have any funds rising now. Think they got a lot during the 1st fund rising

[thorny knot]

There were a lot of bunnies who pitched in and a lot of rich bunnies specifically who sent a good chunk, idk if team bunnies have said how much was raised

[short laurel]

Apparently enough to have 5 law firms with them.

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/A_MaizingBlue/status/1929058686145564930

AmaizingBlue (@A_MaizingBlue)

I do hope we don’t look back years from now and regret defending that lady’s relationship w/ the girls like JB fans are doing now w/ SB

X · Jun 1, 2025, 6:13 AM

What do you guys think of this? I'm not particularly concerned about this ever happening tbh

[old cypress]

who's JB and SB

i guess sb is scooter and jb justin

[upbeat stream]

Yep Justin and Scooter

[old cypress]

I think it's a weird take, some tokkis are desperate for mhj to be a bad person

Right now mhj is basically free, she could abandon njz if she wanted to instead of working on njz, pit stop and stuff. But she's didn't do that

[upbeat stream]

That's my take too. MHJ is not in any significant trouble (assuming that criminal investigation goes nowehere, which seems to be the case). She is not the one banned from working. She could leave and start anew if she wants to. If she is sticking with them, then that should be a good indicator of where she stands

[old cypress]

She still has a noncompete slapped on her I think

[upbeat stream]

Someone said that since hybe terminated her agreement, it no longer holds

NJZBubblegum on twt iirc

[old cypress]

Yeah that's true but mhj believes it's still active so it's a gray area atm

Oh she actually terminated it as well when she quit, my bad

Also most people don't seem to consider that even ADOR's staff and industry insiders are on MHJ's side. They only focus on NJZ so they can push the groomed narrative

[heady gate]

MHJ is busy on her injunction cases

[subtle matrix]

Well officially she isn't working on njz

[old cypress]

yeah

[waxen musk]

It's amazing what even one day of not spending too much time reading negativity can do. Very much recommended!

The MHJ stuff is boring. There's never anything new to convince me to be more worried, but in fact just as I learn more, the less worried I became.

[subtle matrix]

Well it's a risk anyone takes when they're willing to put their hands in the fire for someone else. Call me a cynic but I'm not doing that for most people who are closest to me irl much less someone who I've never met

[old cypress]

NJZ are not doing it just for mhj, they're doing it for themselves as well. They (rightfully) don't feel safe at HYBE without her or someone who got their backs

[upbeat stream]

Most of us paid little attention to her before this. The reason why we have to defend her relationship with them is that people use it to attack njz. Tokkis ignoring all the issues made things blow up in our face when the girls became a lot more vocal in their support of her. I noticed a huge uptick in tokkis defending her after September.

[thorny knot]

damn only 3 days till the trial

[subtle matrix]

I completely get it. Fans should be pushing back against some frankly wild theories that people are putting out there regarding NJZ and MHJ

[old cypress]

A lot of tokkis thought it was a "battle between adults" and some stupid shit that came from kdramas and reddit until they realized MHJ was standing between hybe and njz all along. But still a lot of tokkis aren't realizing this even now

[old cypress]

unfortunately many are doomposting because they're afraid to be disappointed incase things go south

but fortunately a lot of the more casual fans completely checked out so they just ignore everything and wait for the trial to do its course

[short laurel]

The situation is very different. 🛵 Was in with jb for money while mhj is artists 1st, she didn't even knew how to run a business be4 ador.

For me mhj is best ceo in kpop. What she gave to njz is tbh bare minimum everyone should be giving. But kpop is so abusive that mhj giving girls good treatment with sufficient breaks n freedom puts her at top in best ceo in kpop.
Now i made myself sad...

[waxen musk]

I'm surprised I have yet to hear anyone in her position speak about their intentions for K-pop as a whole like she did. She's literally the only one. And she made that very clear to the girls and they were fully on board. Any change to that and they want nothing to do with it.

[old cypress]

they're ignoring everything that doesn't fit their grooming agenda

[tribal sand]

I have a question! I heard things abt MHJ being a groomer..are those like true or…
(If this isn’t too much to ask ofc ! )

[mental nebula]

you got a whole year of content to read if you scroll up ^^

[fleet nebula]

nah fake news, ez bait 🙂

[heady gate]

Just focus on the court casts and skip anything else.

[clear hill]

This has to be Payola, now I’m not saying I don’t listen to lsrfm/hate these groups but I literally listen to a lot of groups more than lsrfm and illit/skip it more than actually playing the song 😭 everytime I run out of songs lsrfm and illit ALWAYS play after newjeans.nayeon makes sense bc twice is my second most played kpop group

Maybe it’s bc they’re from the same company idk

[short laurel]

Since last year everyone noticed they got more illit songs in smart shuffle on Spotify than any other if u listen to kpop.
It's obvious. But i didn't know they are still paying for it

[short laurel]

Every ceo in kpop is bad. Mhj has shown to be better than all of them in treating idols like humans. But she's a woman so she's hated 10x more than everyone else.

[clear hill]

Does this happen on other streaming services?

[short laurel]

Idk honestly. I only use Spotify for kpop

[clear hill]

I heard Apple Music’s sound quality is much better. I might switch back to Apple Music.

[mild mist]

Spotify quality is ass to be honest

[flint stone]

You know that you can "mute" account of songs you don't wanna listen to, right? Without premium it helps not to waste skips

[clear hill]

Like hide it? You can hide it but I’m pretty sure it’ll still play. You can click don’t play this artist but I don’t wanna fully get rid of an artist, it’s just annoying when it’s being shoved down my throat when I click a newjeans song and there’s a chance lesserafim/illit plays FIRST before the song. This has happened so many times

But I didn’t know you can mute an artist so now I have illit on mute, ty!!<3

[clear hill]

Yeah plus apple music streaming is much more organic I’ve heard

[flint stone]

Yeah,hide, it shouldn't play anymore if artist muted

[flint stone]

Heard that too, maybe we should move to apple music

[clear hill]

I’ve hid songs before and they still play sometimes, albeit less frequently but they still play on shuffle/smart shuffle

[orchid field]

yes this is true ive had illit blocked for the longest time and spotify STILL autoplays into mangetic

[empty halo]

it is better + they're apparently thinking of making tiers of premium w the cheapest version having ads. Might as well just stick to apple music lmao

[clear hill]

Better sound quality and more organic streams, kpop fandoms need to move to Apple music so we can truly see ACTUAL organic streams instead of glazing paid streams 😭

[empty halo]

Spotify streams shouldn't be trusted

Its very easy for these companies to pay Spotify to promote their music

[clear hill]

But lately I’ve been listening to physical music much more. I wanna get a newjeans album but I’m def gonna get one secondhand bc I don’t want my money going to Hybe 😭✋🏼

[empty halo]

CDs?

[clear hill]

It’s so obvious we can tell too and delulu fans don’t wanna admit it 💀

[clear hill]

Yup

[flint stone]

time to increase NewJeans songs listening in apple music

[empty halo]

I want the whiplash album so bad, aespas creative team is so good they literally give you a CD player im crying

and the CD player looks so damn cool too

[flint stone]

Really? It doesn't play songs of blocked artists for me

[empty halo]

Very real. Yknow NewJeans definitely had completely organic youtube views, they didn't run ads etc and their album sales seem legit too but I do wonder if there was any hybe payola going into the Spotify streams

[clear hill]

Aespa’s creative team EATSSSS I have to applaud sm for not flopping in its creative direction after mhj left

[empty halo]

oooh do you have a CD player?

[clear hill]

Yea I do! I have a Walkman I got from the thrift (runs perfectly) and some sennheiser headphones (best headphones for sound quality) and its amazing

[flint stone]

Guys, If it's not about njz, I think it's better move to another chat

[clear hill]

Oops will do

[empty halo]

EXACTLYY they got new talented creative directors to take her place and did new things, exploring new concepts unlike HYBE

[empty halo]

thats super cool!

[empty halo]

mb will do

[clear hill]

See that’s the thing SM may be a shitty company but when it comes to creative direction they don’t actually resort to plagiarism unlike Hybe 💀💀

[empty halo]

the quality of work coming out of SM never falters

its a shitty company but the producers and teams they have in there, always top notch talent

hybe has the money, and they do hire the creatives like Min Heejin and more. Idk what goes wrong. It might be the producers under the company

and that's why MHJ never resorted to using hybe producers probably

[clear hill]

LMAO she knew why she had to make ador fr. Ppl think she wanted control over the company when she wanted full creative direction for njz but really it’s just hybe’s shitty creative quality and she knew she had to take matters into her own hands

[empty halo]

no but fr, a pattern that I've noticed of the information coming out in the past few months is that Min Heejin wanted to run ador without the involvement of hybe. Hybe claims that the sublabels run independently but when ador tried to run independently.... well here we are. She seemingly rejected hybes offers on running youtube ads for more views. Didn't want their producers. Didn't use hybe japans services for the Tokyo dome concert and instead hired another company. Requested hybe to remove nwjns from their weekly entertainment industry analysis.

and that very evidently made them unhappy and made them wanna take control of ador (sorry for the paragraph 😭 )

and her having control over ador is well??? yeah she's the damn CEO ofc shes gonna control it

[clear hill]

It’s so evident that the ONLY reason why this whole thing started is because bang sih hyuk recognized Mhjs imperative role to this gg’s success that overshadows the gg that he created. Bsh clearly recognizes the talent of mhj and knew what she was capable of (which is why she was responsible for creating a gg under Hybe in the first place) but throws a tantrum because he can’t take credit for the success

Because unfortunately the rumours are so true BTS is HIGHLY inspired by mhjs work from past bgs💀 if her claims of that lacked credibility then bsh wouldn’t have gone out of his way to hire her AND for the bts members themselves to want to work with her but here we are

[empty halo]

extremely real
bsh has an ego problem

[empty halo]

Really?? Damn I never really keep up w bgs and stuff so I wasn't aware of that woah

[clear hill]

MHJ claimed that BSH copied her w BTS at her press conference back in 2024. I mean she didn’t lie😭

[empty halo]

ohh I was not aware of that I never watched the entire thing

[clear hill]

I don’t keep up w bgs, I’m a gg girly for life but the proof is in the pudding Mhj literally worked on thee bgs that pioneered it’s way for bgs after them. They’re so legendary her portfolio is actually so impressive

[thorny knot]

Not every ceo besides NJZ, XG is the only one I can think of that’s good

[empty halo]

SAMEEE IDK WHAT IT IS ABOUT BGs I just can't get into them 😭 i may listen to a few select songs from them but apart from that I just can't build an interest in them as a group idk why

[clear hill]

The only song from a bg I care ab is replay😭it’s so good but other than that idc, ggs are just so dimensional and well thought out on a creative direction level. I don’t think a bg could EVER come close to njz ditto’s storytelling. It’s so beautiful.

[subtle matrix]

She did not say that in the press conference

[empty halo]

I liked the entire album a subunit of NCT called Dojaejung released, called perfume it was really good. Also agreed. Companies usually use ggs to experiment and then implement what works or doesn't work onto their bgs. This is why ggs tend have more diverse content, and bgs don't

[short laurel]

Xg not kpop.

[thorny knot]

I didn’t specify just K-pop I mean in general in the music industry

[empty halo]

well the idol industry

katseye and xg may not be specifically called "kpop" but they fall into the overarching idol industry

[short laurel]

Yea i was talking about kpop specifically in that statement.

[empty halo]

right

[short laurel]

There are plenty good management if you look into over idol industry or music industry throughout the world

[empty halo]

I would trust a grand total of 0 of them bc they're CEOs of a music label
How ethical could they be

[short laurel]

Or any company. Businesses exists for infinitely growth of money

[old cypress]

There's still a lot of good creatives at hybe. Lsfm's creative direction is very good IMO. And with their money and prestige they can contract top talent to film their MVs and come up with great concepts too. Their problem is the upper management, especially that one dude who puts his hands everywhere

there's always something more important

[empty halo]

we dont know if they donate to those causes or not

[hoary frost]

Which work was bts inspired by

[hoary frost]

I like nctsongs especially the early ones

[short laurel]

his reputation is ...

[empty halo]

oh

yeah I'd totally encourage someone, if they have spare money, to donate to the more important ongoing global issues and then considering donating to team bunnies

we don't know who team bunnies is or the exact details of who they're going after in their lawsuits or whatever so idk if id donate but it's upto you bc it's your money I guess

[short laurel]

consider investing in startups too if u have extra money. if they can grow it'll create more jobs which help people more. there are many kickstarters looking for investment however small in india. especially for local manufacturing. for india it's better than donating to random charity since majority of charities here are scams.

[raven kelp]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1929775610211258768

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

in 48hrs a total of 25 lawyers will make their way to the seoul central district court for the second hearing of the contract validity (main) lawsuit between ADOR (12 lawyers) and MHDHH (13 lawyers) - with high-profile former judges and legal heavyweights joining both sides.

X · Jun 3, 2025, 5:42 AM

[short laurel]

no only 2-4 lawyers from both sides will be present. majority of lawyers are most of the time working behind the scenes.

[raven kelp]

lol that's better

[hollow sorrel]

Not really NJZ related but do you guys know when the election results are published in SK? I think the election ended an hour ago and results are said to be published a few hours after

[tawdry vessel]

lee jae myung is most likely to win

[raven kelp]

i read somewhere that early on wednesday

[tawdry vessel]

its over for bang pd

[raven kelp]

but the fact that a lot of men in their 20s voted for anti-feminist parties is rather disappointing

[tawdry vessel]

sk have a lot of incels

[sage venture]

just a couple of things

1. looks like the exit poll for the presidential election results are out, and as expected, the candidate who promised maximum penalties for stock market manipulators is set to win Due to the impeachment, the new president’s term starts immediately tomorrow(6.4) with no transition period
2. the very next day is NJZ’s court hearing
3. coincidentally, that’s also the final day of the FSS head’s term (the one rumored to be heading to HYBE afterward) Some say he was the one using his influence to shield BSH crime

believe it or not, everything’s falling into place

[raven kelp]

hopefully

[heady gate]

Let see who is going to win the Korean presidency

[hollow sorrel]

thats lee jae myung??

[heady gate]

yes

[hollow sorrel]

wait I never connected these dots omg

[waxen musk]

What is the video on the left about? Is it related to Hanni at the National Assembly?

[heady gate]

Hanni's National assembly

He asked the final question to Hanni. She replied, "we are all human."

[sage venture]

BTW don’t forget, the runner-up is the former minister of employment and labor The very person who granted HYBE top-tier status to help them avoid tax audits and even after scandals broke, refused to remove them from that list

[waxen musk]

Oh shit nice! I never connected the dots either.

Sounds like good news. I don't know how quickly the new Korean leadership will affect anything related to MHDHH and Hybe, but hopefully it does.

[heady gate]

yea, he told everyone, K-pop artists are not protected under the Korean Workers Act.

[waxen musk]

I just had a look to remind myself. He was in the main central seat at the National Assembly. I haven't been following the election outside of the very few mentions of it in this thread and the occasional random Tweet about it on Twitter.

[tawdry vessel]

basically the first time i paid attention to sk election because of it

[waxen musk]

Yes, it's very relevant to our interests this time.

[sage venture]

i don’t trust politicians at all but we’ll know soon If he’s serious, a search warrant for BSH should be issued by next week at the latest

[waxen musk]

Don't get my hopes up.

[empty halo]

thank you for the advice! when I mentioned donating to ongoing global issues I was referring to trusted non profit organisations that deal with areas like Gaza, yes there are unfortunately a lot of charity scams out there. ill make sure to avoid them.

[empty halo]

good news

finally, even if this doesn't have a strong impact on the njz case im happy for the women of Korea

it is by no means some great party but a lot better than the ppp

[mild mist]

What does parliament look like? Is there any chance of this president making some good changes or is it going to be like Poland?

[empty halo]

funny how korea is such a deeply corrupt, deranged and fucked up country that their politics and elections are relevant topics in a teenage girl groups legal battle with their music label

in a country with a less corrupt justice system, these elections would be completely irrelevant to the lawsuits and persecution of frauds like bang si hyuk etc

[raven kelp]

well compared to 2022, lee jae myung wasn't as vocal about the inequality and prejudice faced by women in sk this time

[tired cairn]

My country's news is saying the election result will be announced in 2 hours. And that the main topics that Lee used to earn votes were reducing power of the president and punishing corruption. If that happens it'll be positive changes!

[raven kelp]

oh are they going to announce the result at midnight?

[empty halo]

one can hope he does something
also I was watching a video about a south korean explaining the basic policies of all the parties, and she did mention that lee jae myungs party planned on introducing some programs to uplift women

[raven kelp]

understandable since they have to fill in the seat for president asap. heard its pretty chaotic in sk politically

[raven kelp]

let's hope that's the case

[empty halo]

honestly a lot of presidents of sk promise that before election and then somehow they get arrested while they're sitting presidents before their term even ends 💀
you can't expect shit from sk politicians in terms of reducing corruption the only thing you can maybe count on them for is social issues

ex pres moons whole schtick was that he was a prosecutor who went after powerful people and wanted to reduce corruption but um.... that didn't pan out well obviously

[tired cairn]

The universe has terrible writers. Who thinks this is fun to watch over and over

[empty halo]

fr

im just out here hoping that it doesn't get worse than it already is for women in Korea, arguably their most persecuted group

[upbeat stream]

Tbf he did get samsung chairperson sentenced. And he even stayed in prison for a while before getting released due to US pressure. I respect Moon for that

[empty halo]

that was when he was a prosecutor no? that's what I'm saying before getting elected all these politicians have big dreams about reducing corruption and whatnot but once they're elected as president they're forced to bow down and bootlick the chaebols

[short laurel]

after winning give it a week and he'll bury the topic without doing anything. that's how it usually goes

[raven kelp]

anyone know whether the vote counting has started?

[chilly fable]

Not sure if it is a legit source, but i saw about 14% counted.

[copper jetty]

Wait election is ongoing?

[rugged dagger]

crazy how usagi is going to win

https://tenor.com/view/usagi-chiikawa-gif-12913942263820954382

[raven kelp]

1

[copper jetty]

Same. I have no idea which is which too.

[raven kelp]

2 and 3 are the choice for the anti feminists

especially that orange dude

ah this shi is stressing me out so much

[upbeat stream]

Wtf, this is way closer than I expected

[short laurel]

why is red so high. redshould be lowest. shouldn't even be in race to top 3

[chilly fable]

I don't normally follow it either, but based on what i have seen here 1 is the better option.

[short laurel]

so which one of these is that corrupt ministry of labour guy

[raven kelp]

red ig

[chilly fable]

The gap is widening

[short laurel]

even worse now. why red so high

[raven kelp]

in whose favour

[short laurel]

can u send the link to that pics live

[chilly fable]

I am just getting it from twitter. Not sure where the original source is. But i see similar results on a few accounts.

[raven kelp]

man i was hoping a landslide victory for lee jaemyung

the fact that half of sk support these women hating conservative is just disappointing

[subtle matrix]

Less than 20% counted and the first votes counted tend to be from more rural areas with lower population density which also tend to be more conservative

[chilly fable]

latest one i see is

With 32.70% of the vote counted:

Lee Jae-myung: 48.47%
Kim Moon-soo: 43.24%
Lee Jun-seok: 7.25%

[upbeat stream]

Fair. And just like the US, it seems that no matter what crazy things the right does, they will always get at least 40%

[raven kelp]

ah that's better but can't say anything until atleast 70% is counted

[subtle matrix]

It do be like that. Politics has gotten incredibly tribal

I can't really complain because I have gotten incredibly tribal about politics too

[raven kelp]

well they're making us choose the best out of the worst

[empty halo]

you'd expect the other ultra conservative parties to swoop in and take the ppps votes from the conservative voters but nope, even after the whole damn coup, its bizarre

bc there are plenty, the ppp is just one amongst a sea of other conservative parties

[raven kelp]

i think lee junseok separating from ppp was for the better since it helped split the vote bank

[empty halo]

OH ABSOLUTELY the ppp has 42% rn and his party has 7%

but the fact that in total, so far the ppp and reform party have garnered a total of 9 million votes is concerning.....

the democratic party will win yes sure but the fact that millions of people can support them is

[raven kelp]

that's indeed the most concerning part

[mild mist]

to answer myself, DPK (Lee Jae-myung's party) have a majority

[short laurel]

48 42. 70% counted

[hoary frost]

imagine if votes weren't split amongst them then.

[short laurel]

seriously. what clowns

[empty halo]

"our country looks like it's on its way to communism"

Its like magatards calling democrats communists

ts is hilarious

if the democratic party of korea ever goes the communist route, im gonna shave off my head and go bald

[short laurel]

take those words back. u never know, they all are corrupted bastards

[empty halo]

bro south korea is one of the most hyper capitalist country ever

they're corrupt, for capitalism 💀 they are NOT going the communist route anytime soon

[short laurel]

i know. but still u never know when something suddenly change over night.

[empty halo]

the democratic party is centrist, and even has some centrist-right policies. the only reason it's considered "progressive" is bc it's rival is the ppp which is way more right wing

i believe it's called the overton window? Its WAY on the right in korea

[empty halo]

south korea going communist is as likely as xi jing ping making out w donald trump, dw it aint happening 🙏

[old cypress]

the good old chinese spies

[empty halo]

no, worse
NORTH KOREAN SPIES

[short laurel]

ooh there's something i should show you. u'll love it. give me a sec

[empty halo]

noted

https://tenor.com/view/danielle-newjeans-danielle-newjeans-danielle-blessing-newjeans-danielle-gif-6508898223418531284

[short laurel]

https://vt.tnktok.com/ZShMatQ7T/ this tiktok account. is gold.

[empty halo]

girl how are you using tiktok

[short laurel]

i m a guy. and vpn.

[empty halo]

ohh vpn also ur a GUY?

[short laurel]

yea

[empty halo]

WHAT. WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN.

[short laurel]

???

[empty halo]

nothing I js thought you were a girl for the longest time so I'm surprised rn

[short laurel]

my name is to blame. happened alot to me. even though there are boys with this name too.

[empty halo]

real

[short laurel]

and yea alot of indians use tiktok with vpn. especially northeast india the 7 sister states.

[subtle matrix]

Also I'm guessing religion is a big factor too

I'm in language exchange apps and like 80% of the people who I'm chatting with are middle aged hyper religious women asking me if I read the bible

[short laurel]

whats the major religion in SK? Buddhism and Christianity ?

[subtle matrix]

Christianity for sure

[hoary frost]

unaffiliated

[subtle matrix]

Well most people are atheist or agnostic I'm guessing

But among the religious I think Christianity is a strong majority

[short laurel]

iireligious ?

[hoary frost]

yes

[short laurel]

atheist and agnostic counted as one in that ?

[empty halo]

Christianity

[short laurel]

i wish i was born in atheist or agnostic nation.

[empty halo]

Christians and cults are still extremely influential there

[hoary frost]

well conservatism is not only because of religion tho

[empty halo]

yes, but parties like the ppp promote judeo-christo family models, traditions and structures

[red thorn]

||Lookism||

[empty halo]

and again the christians and people in cults etc are seemingly very deeply entrenched in their beliefs in sk

[old cypress]

no, confucanism reigns supreme in korea

[short laurel]

honestly. that's most believable religion in SK and china.

[hoary frost]

Well stuff like confucius ideal was always there.

[hoary frost]

yes i was going to say

[empty halo]

really? well mb the traditional structures may be inspired by that but christians and some extremist christian factions are still very powerful there, its literally the land of cults

[hoary frost]

Amongst land of unaffiliated. the ones who are religious would always seem louder

[old cypress]

Yes, confucianism is the foundation of the korean society. Filial piety and stuff

[empty halo]

I wonder how so many cults came to be so successful there tho

[hoary frost]

Probably because of people's loneliness, you can easily take advantage of that stuff

[empty halo]

you're recommended to not talk to random people on the street who might be asking for directions bc of how many people try to recruit you

[old cypress]

they have buddhist sects as well so it's not really a christianism thing

[empty halo]

oh yeah the second foundation of Korean society
loneliness

[old cypress]

and most of the reason korea is hyper capitalist is every discussion towards socialist ideas is plagued by communism accusations and "north korean spies". It's like a virus in the collective mind that push koreans towards more capitalism

[empty halo]

yes "dark shamanism" is also a thing there that pres Moon and his wife were rumoured to be followers of

[hoary frost]

what is that...?

[empty halo]

they were accused of doing animal sacrifices and stuff I believe

[old cypress]

pres Yoon also has a shaman with him

[empty halo]

also South Korea being a puppet for 🦅 🔥 🔫 THE UNITED STATES OF FUCKING AMERICA 🔫 🔥 🦅

[empty halo]

shamanism is a traditional Korean religion I think

[old cypress]

the usa have little to do with this imo, it's mostly chaebols having a hold over the country

[short laurel]

MHJ also believe in shamanism

[old cypress]

Like when there are unions on the streets advocating for better work conditions, suddenly media says some of them are north korean spies and these unions instantly lose public support

[empty halo]

yes absolutely but the US does have a lot of control over sk and I believe they support and push it, im not very aware of sk and us relations from the start but I'd assume the US really pushed capitalism in sk (initially)

@hoary frost shamanism is a traditional Korean religion that deals with spirits and certain people called "shamans" who can interact w the spirit world. Dark shamanism can be seen as interactions with dark spirits who have malicious intents. President Moon and his wife were accused of participating in dark shamanism

[old cypress]

The US are just leaving korea alone as long as they keep north korea and china in check

[empty halo]

I mean, not really? Wasn't the reason they even released the Samsung chairman was bc of Bidens pressure

[hoary frost]

what was the reasoning for accusing them

[old cypress]

Not that I know of. They get pardoned every time for "national interest", it happened several times over the decades

Chaebol heads getting imprisoned is just an act to calm the population, they usually get pardoned after the heat dies down

[short laurel]

then they go hide and control everything from shadows

[empty halo]

oh god there's like loads of things bc of which he gets associated w that, the rotten mango pod talked about it you can listen to the it if you'd like

[old cypress]

Shamans in korea among the high society are often just people with a lot of connections and influence. They know a lot of inside info due to their clients and they can give very very useful "advice"

Like if the samsung execs tell the shaman that they're planning to buy kakao, the shaman can tell me that i should invest in kakao. Stuff like that

[hoary frost]

Sometime ago I saw korean comments on omg mv discussing that hybe is part of cult aswell

[empty halo]

yes, but moon was seen hanging around a very insane shaman

[clear hill]

Not true. SK is inherently under US influence bc of the Korean War. There’s a US military base in SK.

[empty halo]

it was around when mhj did her first press conference, they were associated w cult called "dahn world"

[empty halo]

also I think sk doesn't have full control over its military?

[old cypress]

yet US companies can't get into korea without being massively discriminated by korean companies. The Us military base is here for north korea and china, it benefits Korea

[short laurel]

so inside trading

[clear hill]

Yup

[short laurel]

85% counted, still 48 blue, 42 red

[clear hill]

The US military industrial complex benefits nobody but the Us.Do you know why the Korean War even started?

[old cypress]

The korean war was 70 years ago, things changed since

[short laurel]

US cause so much drama just for it's military business. they've being pushing india to buy F35 for a while now. so much that they praising chinese jets, and insult france jets.

[empty halo]

the US is a major investor for South Korea, and South Korea is extremely "americanised" as well. Also while sk does release chaebols often due to national unrest, for the chairman of samsung it was the US chamber of commerce + biden pressure which lobbyed hard for his release

while national unrest is a reason I'm sure the US pressure was a major reason too

[old cypress]

not often, always. They always pardon chaebols after a while. Pressure was not needed at all

and I've never heard of this justification. The only justification they gave is to "help korea recover from covid"

[empty halo]

welp regardless of his case the us does hold some power over sk

[short laurel]

. 15% still to go. it's at 48, 42

[old cypress]

yay

[empty halo]

conceded yayyy

[short laurel]

15% still to go. i think red still got chance which is scary. it's way too close than what it should be

[clear hill]

That doesn’t change US impact onto SK. The influence cannot be dismissed at all. This major part of history changes the trajectory of future events and shapes the country itself. I know this bc I’m Filipino 💀

[old cypress]

They conceded so it's probably over

[short laurel]

it was reported that kim will speak to reporters at 70%. and this is what he spoke.

[mild mist]

"I have heard that there are chinese people in chinatown"

[old cypress]

I'm not saying they have no influence. The US is the biggest superpower and essentially korea's "master" if you want, but they don't really get themselves involved in Korea's internal affairs.

and as i said, american companies can't even get into korea without facing near insurmountable hurdles

[short laurel]

remember how unfairly twitch was kicked out from korea few years ago

[empty halo]

I know Bang Si Hyuk is mad ash rn

https://tenor.com/view/sihyuk-bang-pd-bts-gjirlfriend-gif-24460233

[short laurel]

kim min-seok from democratic party and kim moon soo from ppp. same name initials so i was confused

[short laurel]

conceding is not legal thing. it just him being polite since it looks like ppp will lose. votes will still be counted until the end.

[subtle matrix]

If they conceded then they know they can't win

What's the vote count looking like?

[empty halo]

88%, still at 48% for the democratic party and 42% for ppp

[short laurel]

thank god to that 7% orange guy who split from ppp

[tired cairn]

Only once the count is at 95% with this distribution it's mathematically won

[empty halo]

assuming that the ppp has conceded I dont think they're confident about getting a majority here

[tired cairn]

Usually a large difference at 88% counted isn't overcome. So it doesn't seem likely

[empty halo]

[short laurel]

just so you know in different countries. there have been cases where conceded party end up winning.

[tired cairn]

I'm aware. I'm trying to stay hopeful though

[empty halo]

and realistically, they won a vast majority of the polls by an even larger margin

[split bramble]

for njz's sake liberal party needed to win, now they will go after stock manipulators, kim&chang

[short laurel]

Lee address supporters

binky there representing us.

yea it's done deal now.

hybe top company status will be gone now hopefully

[empty halo]

AWW

what an image 😭

[bronze talon]

what site is that or what is that even about

[subtle matrix]

Looks like Al Jazeera

[short laurel]

yea AI jazeera

[short laurel]

title is "Photos: Lee addresses supporters" and bunch of photos of his supporters.

but scary to think if orange didn't split from red cuz this was much closer than expected

and apparently Lee is involved in some legal case too

[upbeat stream]

Something weird that I noticed: women in their 20s voted right-wing more so than women in their 40s and 50s

Karina had more of an impact than I thought /s

[vale grove]

I’m aware, and I do donate to causes I believe in.

[wary creek]

are the korean election results beneficial for njz?

or at least not detrimental

[short laurel]

Opposition was head of ministry of labour who kept protecting hybe. Him lossing is good for njz hopefully.

[empty halo]

could you share a link to the source

[wary creek]

nice!! thanks for the update

[lucid yarrow]

oh they got new pm already

[hoary frost]

Found this

[steel depot]

Ohh Lee won!

[hoary frost]

So it's no wonder njz target by certain type after they provided food to protestors

[silk skiff]

👀

[steel depot]

first they have to consider idols as employees

[fleet nebula]

Mission level: Impossible

[mild mist]

@young men - get it together lads?

Is this tick tock's influence?

[thorny knot]

*tt https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8MxBTL1/

[harsh dove]

@.

[thorny knot]

We pretty much know all of this already but op here pointed out something regarding the manager’s behavior towards hanni and Dani in the clip hybe released that I’m sure a lot of people overlooked including myself

[waxen musk]

<t:1749089400:R>

[short laurel]

I pointed it out back then but few noticed.

[short laurel]

I heard he is in ongoing legal trouble too. These are just empty words. He was just least worse out of all the candidates.
Though him standing against hybe is helpful for njz case

[thorny knot]

yeah def didn't see it there too much stuff in this channel lol

[short laurel]

Yea it was brief. Pretty sure the big bunnies account on twt pointed it out too but got distracted with pointing out that njz didn't mention illit to media and ador did.

[subtle matrix]

That's pretty fascinating. Not sure I've ever seen a voting distribution like this

[empty halo]

thank you

[short laurel]

I fear this might start more attack towards her

[subtle matrix]

I'm reading about this and young korean males are like turbo incels 3000

[empty halo]

oh you're finding out now

[subtle matrix]

I knew it was bad I didn't know it was this bad

[empty halo]

yeah incels are a huge problem there

[atomic echo]

Your name is sending me

[empty halo]

idk if it's worse than Japan though, probably at a similar level

[subtle matrix]

I thought it was demographically similar to the west

[empty halo]

I get that a lot

[empty halo]

absolutely NOT japan and korea have the strongest incels imo

[short laurel]

Public touching vs hidden cam. It's hell

[red thorn]

I'm not sure if sk is worse or not it surely whole another level

[short laurel]

I m sorry but india above japan n korea in that sadly...

[hoary frost]

Orange party getting support solely through young generation

[empty halo]

real you take a traditional society with a patriarchy rooted in the culture, add that to a country of overworked people who can't afford shit, add a dash of loneliness + chronically online brains and you get japanese and korean men

[short laurel]

Again. Thank god orange split from red

[red thorn]

The 🤏 symbol by the sk femcels

[upbeat stream]

I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that young women voted for the far-right misogynistic candidate (the orange party) more so than old men. That makes zero sense to me. Reform party's entire agenda is: we hate women

[empty halo]

i think misogyny in India is very vast and diverse

[upbeat stream]

They are worse than the PPP. Perhaps some women got influenced by their male friends/bf

[short laurel]

Everything on india is very vast n diverse. 😭

[empty halo]

that's a whole other discussion, but most misogynists here aren't incel types and more like "we care about the women and we want to preserve society" type bullshit, both hate women but one hides and one doesnt

[upbeat stream]

At least the right-wing party here is not as openly misogynistic as in korea lol

[empty halo]

there's incels too though esp younger ones

[hoary frost]

Still a small portion. Probably older generation is less willing to vote for 3rd party

[hoary frost]

neither hide it

[short laurel]

That is there we have huge incels here some even sitting in government position.

[subtle matrix]

What's even stranger is that men in all age groups 40-69 tended to vote for the DPK in slightly higher proportion than women in the same age groups, despite the massive support for conservative and anti-feminism parties by men 20-39

[upbeat stream]

basically the gender divide vanishes after 40

[hoary frost]

yeah the proportion is basically the same

for youth the divide is insane

[lucid yarrow]

blue is lib red is con and what is orange

[hollow sorrel]

orange was part of red but they created their own party I think

[mild mist]

Libertarian

[old cypress]

young korean men are really into the alpha male bs and all the incel stuff that goes with it. Older koreans are different because they never got into this stupid shit

[polar owl]

Yes, saying India is one culture is like saying Europe is one country.

Also, any idea if MHDHH will be attending the court session tomorrow (they are vacationing down under, right?)? Also, will media be allowed?

[upbeat stream]

They didn't attend the first hearing so probably not

[rain spade]

Imagine the hearing is like 15 minutes

[waxen musk]

I heard Dani made it back to Korea yesterday but I don’t know if that was confirmed and it’s not like that means they’re attending. I doubt it.

[waxen musk]

I can never remember what happened in the previous hearings. I think it was nothing.

[waxen musk]

They’ve pre-submitted a lot of things so I’m hoping not!

[empty halo]

and now we pray

[rain spade]

since is pre submitted, that mean the judge read it already, (i might be wrong just assuming)

[grizzled summit]

Guyz new president is good or bad 4 njz

[subtle matrix]

Definitely not bad but most likely doesn't move the needle

[waxen musk]

Of course I know nothing either but my logic is that there were a lot of documents pre-submitted therefore there's a lot to discuss.
But sure, it could be a quick hearing. I just want some movement or progress that indicates how things will go. So far we haven't had anything super solid.

[rain spade]

For sure, the judge would have some question for the lawyers. then the arguments would start.

[upbeat stream]

The judge did have some interesting things to say:
“There have been cases where the artist didn’t even get to debut or receive a single payment and asked to terminate the contract based on that. But in this case, isn’t the claim about trust more like: ‘If it weren’t for Min Hee-jin, NewJeans wouldn’t even have been trainees at ADOR’? Or am I misunderstanding?” The judge continued: “Usually, a breakdown of trust refers to cases where there is a clear failure to settle accounts (i.e., not paying the artist). This case is unusual, so I will have to think carefully about how to evaluate trust in the context of a long-term contract involving management and producing.”

This is why I'm most intrigued about what he has to say, that may tell where this is all going

[waxen musk]

Thanks for the reminder of what happened. More was said than I remembered.

[rain spade]

I'm not gonna put my hopes up till the main lawsuit actually end end

We win injunction, then lose main lawsuit.
We lose, then win main.
We lose both or we win both.
The only 4 I could think of that can happen

[empty halo]

we dunno bout njz but bad for hybe

[thorny knot]

Ok yeah that was definitely going to gain traction if it weren’t for hybe fucking up

[old cypress]

On the paper, the new president seems to be positive news for njz because he's leaning left and he was a human rights lawyer advocating for better work conditions

[short laurel]

Settlement is most likely.

[empty halo]

I dont mind the idea of a settlement tbh bc it would give hybe and njz room to negotiate on some things like names and trademarks maybe

in the press conference Danielle did mention that they have the intention of fighting for the name NewJeans, it makes total sense to me bc switching up your groups name can be a bit problematic for artists bc their name is their identity

while NJZ isn't bad, NewJeans is still what they're primarily recognised as by most people

[copper jetty]

I hope something favorable Happen tomorrow at the hearing.

[waxen musk]

Some recent updates on the pre-submitted documents: https://x.com/catzkang/status/1930262681535295741

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

The court or NJZ can request a “specification of the grounds”, which means they are asking for information about what ador is arguing.

So today, In response to such a request, ador’s lawyer submits an “opinion statement”, which is a document explaining their position.

X · Jun 4, 2025, 1:57 PM

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1930264154574860341

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

Previously: On May 30, NJZ’s legal representative (Sejong Law Firm) has submitted an application requesting the other party to specify the grounds for their claim or defense.

This application is used when one party finds the other party’s claims, statements, or evidence unclear

X · Jun 4, 2025, 2:03 PM

I suppose it's good a lot of this stuff is sorted out before the hearing.

[copper current]

When is the injunction opposition date? It is like ages

[waxen musk]

Awaiting injunction appeal court date

[waxen musk]

Remember how much of a nightmare it was last Friday? Just prepare yourselves for the same type of thing. But realise how it only takes a couple of days for things to calm down.
(I'm reminding myself because sometimes I turn into a yapping monster when I'm not happy.)

[rugged dagger]

[clear hill]

I saw something on tik tok about newjeans wanting illit to testify in court?? Is that true or just glittz making shit up?

[bronze talon]

making up shit

[copper current]

Don’t believe in TikTok, follow reliable bunnies like Juan and team bunnies. Don’t watch videos of a bunch of leeches try to creat misinformation videos to get views and money

[clear hill]

That’s a W in my eyes. Hopefully he can push laws towards artists being recognized as workers which would help my girls(and many other idols who are being exploited by powerful companies) out here <333

[clear hill]

I don’t use Twitter, are they on tik tok as well? Or instagram?

[clear hill]

And the crazy part is they were Branding themselves as a tokki and glitt spreading “truth” about the situation. Smh

[waxen musk]

This seems useful! https://x.com/BNZassociation/status/1930396836650725596

The Bunny Association (@BNZassociation)

🐰 This is your faithful companion, the Bunny Association.

Since early 2024, HYBE has spread false narratives about Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin & Hyein.

We're here to set the record straight with our First-Hand Sources Library

🔗 https://t.co/XSpuw6pgrH

X · Jun 4, 2025, 10:50 PM

https://sites.google.com/view/the-bunny-association/first-hand-sources-library

[vocal sable]

does anyone know what time the court will start in korea?

[rugged dagger]

@vocal sable

[vocal sable]

thank u sm!

[heady gate]

2 more hours

[tidal crystal]

1 hour

[cinder verge]

do the odds favor njz or ador today

[old cypress]

it's just a hearing

[cinder verge]

so when will something actually happen

[red thorn]

When the court is final and the judges have their verdict

[clear hill]

Thank youuuuu!<3

[harsh dove]

@yo_lobster <t:1749092178:d>

[waxen musk]

https://www.xportsnews.com/article/2009977

The court asked NewJeans and Ador's legal representatives, "Are both parties really not willing to settle?"

NewJeans stated, "The trust relationship has already been completely broken. We have crossed the river of no return. We need to discuss it with our clients, but it will not be easy," and revealed that they had no intention of reaching an agreement.

Next third trial date is scheduled to be held on July 24.

Pinned schedule also updated.

[rain spade]

That's it

[mental lynx]

Well july 24th it is

[rugged dagger]

is it still ongoing

[heady gate]

We already expected a third hearing, everything is fine

[rugged dagger]

or is the hearing over

[rain spade]

is over. at least the hearing is next month

[frozen granite]

Was this all that was discussed ? I wonder …

[waxen musk]

I'm sure there will be more articles coming soon. This is just the earliest report.

Haven't you guys learnt about patience yet?

[rain spade]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nooo-nope-eat-fingerwag-gif-12358308896192153975

[waxen musk]

I haven't, that's for sure.

[frozen granite]

Although I’ve been on the sidelines, I have been praying NJZ wins. May this hearing & the next be in their favor

[heady gate]

On June 12 - MHJ's 3rd hearing for the shareholders' agreement

[waxen musk]

ADOR is suspected using delaying tactics in the court process by submitting documents today that the judge had not yet had time to read. (https://x.com/gyang137137/status/1930461225898618987) SPECULATION

Another article: https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1930462683868082554

𝙡𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧🦞 (@yo_lobster)

NewJeans side: "The evidence of Adore is quite weak... We need to reveal more details" [Star Scene]
https://t.co/YBxzgNCEds

NewJeans's legal team mentioned, "If you actually look at the evidence related to the answers the plaintiffs (ADOR) gave, the content is quite poor.

X · Jun 5, 2025, 3:12 AM

[waxen musk]

I'm surprised there's not some cut-off date for document submissions before a court date.

[heady gate]

*x https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1930463370169463282

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM)

Summary of Today's Trial (Main Proceedings):
As FRAUDOR suddenly requested the submission of new documents right before the trial, the next hearing date has been set for July 24th, and witness examinations are scheduled for August.

X · Jun 5, 2025, 3:15 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1930463370169463282 does not contain any media!

[red thorn]

Witness examinations

[cinder narwhal]

delaying tactics until members run out of money

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1930463188279275572

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1749093265:d>

NewJeans Draws a Firm Line Against Settlement With ADOR: "We've Crossed the Point of No Return"
https://www.xportsnews.com/article/2009977
By Myung Hee-sook | Xports News

The legal representatives of NewJeans have once again made it clear that they have no intention of reaching a settlement with their agency ADOR.

On June 4, the Civil Agreement Division 41 of the Seoul Central District Court (Presiding Judge Jeong Hoe-il) held the second hearing in the lawsuit filed by ADOR seeking confirmation of the validity of NewJeans’ exclusive contract.

NewJeans themselves did not attend the hearing. Instead, their legal team appeared in court and argued that the termination of the exclusive contract was justified due to the agency’s misconduct.

During the proceedings, the court asked both sides,

"Is there truly no intention of settling between the parties?"

To this, NewJeans’ legal representatives replied,

"The relationship of trust has completely collapsed. We've crossed a river we cannot return from. While we will discuss with our clients, reaching a settlement will not be easy."

In contrast, ADOR’s side stated,

"We believe that once the court delivers its ruling, a settlement can be easily reached," expressing that they remain open to resolving the matter afterward.

NewJeans had declared the termination of their contract with ADOR and HYBE during an emergency press conference in November 2024, citing a complete breakdown of trust. In response, ADOR filed a lawsuit to confirm the contract’s validity, as well as an injunction to preserve its status as the agency and to prohibit NewJeans from signing advertising contracts independently.

The court granted the injunction, effectively prohibiting NewJeans from independent activities. Since their last official appearance at ComplexCon in Hong Kong, NewJeans have suspended their activities.

Following that, the court also accepted ADOR’s request for indirect

[waxen musk]

Wake me up in 30 years cos this gonna take a while.

[rugged dagger]

fr

[waxen musk]

Anyway... where's that bloody appeal date?!

[heady gate]

I am still waiting for the BSH's case

[rain spade]

https://tenor.com/view/what-a-joke-laughing-laughing-baby-laughing-gif-gif-23852675

[cinder narwhal]

bruh who is that producer hitchhiker

[rain spade]

We believe that once the court delivers its ruling, a settlement can be easily reached," expressing that they remain open to resolving the matter afterward.

TTruly a joke

[waxen musk]

-sleepjeans (I'm gonna sleep now and wake up and pick up my Switch 2. Hoping for no hate sprouts online for whatever reason to annoy us all.)

[tall dew]

[rain spade]

hope the judge can just termiinatte the contractt instead of settle itt witth ador

I have thiis gut feelng the judge will sidie wiith ador

[heady gate]

I believe the court asked this question last time, "Are both parties really not willing to settle?"

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1930469214504267831

NJZ: After HYBE executives took control, ADOR failed to take protective measures for the members. The management system collapsed after Min Hee-jin’s ousting, and ADOR ignored the members’ demands for corrective action, which justifies termination of the contract.

-The court also mentioned that NewJeans had filed a motion for clarification, requesting that ADOR disclose:
• Whether discussions took place around the time of Min Hee-jin’s dismissal regarding the impact it would have on the members’ activities;
• Whether ADOR’s board took proactive measures, such as emergency meetings, to protect the members before any request was made.

The court partially accepted this request and asked ADOR to provide those details.

-There was further contention over a document submission request. ADOR requested documents from a related case between Min Hee-jin and Source Music currently underway at the Western District Court.

NewJeans lawyers argued that some of the documents in that case may have been obtained illegally under the Information and Communications Network Act, and could be considered inadmissible.

ADOR responded that the materials were obtained through a legitimate audit process, the files in question were from company-owned computers, and the person providing them had given consent.

The court decided to grant the document submission request but clarified that the documents themselves would not automatically be considered evidence, and ADOR would need to extract and submit the relevant materials.

tokkiloops paraphrased/translated from this https://n.news.naver.com/article/421/0008297240?sid=102

[copper current]

this is frustrating, new president needs to do something to terminate interference from both parties at last minute

[red thorn]

Hmm was there article about mhj requested non disclose documents regarding latest mhj v source music

[hollow sorrel]

it comes down to these kkt chats again

I’m just so confused because the court last year (during May’s injunction) dismissed this evidence, because it was not properly obtained and now they are trying to bring it back

[copper current]

seriosuly objection court please comes, these evil are delaying NJZ

[heady gate]

Basically, Ador needs to re-submit that document material again on the next hearing.

[steel depot]

no movement yet again tf...

[copper current]

stalling tactics to make everyone tired, evil evil evil, please objection in NJZ favor, please

[harsh dove]

@webelieveinbots <t:1749095666:d>

The documents Ador requested were the ones previously submitted by SouMu on MHJ’s trial, which were dismissed by the court on that day and the court concluded they would not be disclosed, Ador requested illegally obtained evidence which was, again, dismissed by the court… this is a delay tactic as clear as day, Ador doesn’t seem to be presenting substantial evidence, as mentioned by NJZ’s legal team, they constantly fail to present logical arguments

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1930474290396184658

. (@TokkiLoops)

Court on media play: This appears to involve subjective emotions from the defendants, so it would not be appropriate for the court to objectively determine this. If the defendants wish, they may present their claims through evidence.

X · Jun 5, 2025, 3:58 AM

[opaque flicker]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1930475218054852950?s=19

NewJeans Side Criticizes ADOR's Evidence: "Significantly Lacking... Needs to Be Clearly Explained"
https://v.daum.net/v/20250605115714414
By Lee Seung-hoon | Star News, Reporting from Seoul Central District Court

The legal team representing NewJeans has criticized the evidence submitted by ADOR, calling it insufficient and lacking in substance.

On the morning of June 5, the 41st Civil Division of the Seoul Central District Court held the second hearing in the lawsuit filed by ADOR to confirm the validity of its exclusive contract with NewJeans members Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, and Hyein.

During the hearing, NewJeans’ side argued that "ADOR failed to fulfill major management obligations," while ADOR countered by saying, "NewJeans continues to change their stated reasons for terminating the exclusive contract, which shows they are attempting to justify a termination that was already decided and are now retroactively seeking reasons to support it."

NewJeans’ legal team responded firmly:

"When you actually examine the evidence the plaintiffs submitted, the content is significantly lacking. The duty of management isn’t fulfilled simply by compiling a list of potential producers. That’s not the basis on which this exclusive contract was signed.

If a producer like Hitchhiker was met, it needs to be clearly explained what was discussed and what outcomes resulted from it."

At the first hearing in April, both sides presented sharply conflicting claims. At that time, ADOR argued:

"We did not force Min Hee-jin out — she left on her own."

"The defendants (NewJeans) prepared for and completed the Hong Kong concert without Min Hee-jin's involvement, so the argument that only Min Hee-jin is capable is contradicted by their own actions."

However, NewJeans’ side rebutted:

"The basic trust between us and ADOR has completely collapsed, making it impossible to continue working together."

"Even if a company keeps the same legal structure, when all its leadership changes, it's effectively a completely different entity in terms of values. ADOR without Min Hee-jin is not the same agency we signed with, and we cannot continue the contract with what ADOR has now become."

Last month, the 52nd Civil Division of the Seoul Central District Court ruled in favor of ADOR’s request for an injunction to preserve its status as NewJeans’ management and to prohibit them from independently entering advertisement contracts. The court stated:

"The defendants, NewJeans, must not engage in entertainment activities either independently or through a third party without prior approval or consent from the plaintiff, ADOR, until a ruling is made in the first trial regarding the lawsuit over the contract’s validity."

The court further stated:

"If the defendants violate this order after it has been delivered, they must pay 1 billion KRW per violation."

With five members in NewJeans, this amounts to a potential penalty of 5 billion KRW if they pursue independent activities without ADOR.

[knotty valve]

Damn this will probably take till end of the year at this point. I sure hope not though.

[shy schooner]

If it keeps getting delayed might as well

[opaque flicker]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1930478691382968401?s=19

“Support for Activities” vs. “No Protective Measures" ADOR and NewJeans Clash Again in Court [MK Field Report]

Lee Da-gyeom, Star Today Reporter

The legal dispute between NewJeans and their agency ADOR continues to heat up. On June 4 at 11:10am, the Civil Division 41 of the Seoul Central District Court (Presiding Judge Jeong Hoe-il) held the second hearing in ADOR’s lawsuit seeking confirmation that the exclusive contracts with the NewJeans members are still valid. The members of NewJeans did not attend the hearing.

During the session, the court summarized each side’s claims. ADOR (the plaintiff) argued in its written submission that it made every effort to cooperate with former CEO Min Hee-jin after HYBE’s internal restructuring so that NewJeans activities could continue. ADOR also claimed that the reasons NewJeans has given for terminating their contracts have been inconsistent, suggesting that the group had already decided to cancel their contracts first, and only afterward began coming up with justifications.

On the flip side, NewJeans (the defendants) argued that they were left unprotected following HYBE executives’ takeover of ADOR’s management. They claimed that ADOR’s removal of Min Hee-jin led to the collapse of their management system, and that their concerns were ignored—giving them grounds to terminate their contracts.

The court also mentioned NewJeans’ request for a “motion to compel disclosure,” which is a legal request for the opposing party to submit specific facts or evidence. The judge partially granted this and asked ADOR to clarify whether, around the time of Min Hee-jin’s dismissal, they had discussed how the situation might affect the members’ activities, and whether the board had proactively held meetings or taken protective measures before the members made any formal requests.

Things got heated over another issue: ADOR requested the court to obtain documents from a separate lawsuit involving Min Hee-jin and Source Music, currently ongoing in the Western District Court. NewJeans’ side pushed back, arguing that some of the evidence from that case might have been obtained illegally—possibly violating the Information and Communications Network Act. ADOR countered that the files in question came from a company-owned computer and were obtained through a legitimate audit process, with consent from the person who provided them.

The judge weighed in, stating that even if the documents are transferred from the other court, that doesn’t automatically make them admissible as evidence. ADOR would still need to select and submit specific pieces. The court said it would grant the document request.

At the end of the hearing, the judge—just like in the first hearing back in April—once again asked both sides if there was any possibility of settlement or mediation. “Is there any chance you’re willing to talk this out?” the judge asked. “Last time the defendants said no, but the court still hopes to encourage a resolution.”

NewJeans’ side responded, “We’ll speak to our clients again, but the trust has already been irreparably broken. We believe we’ve crossed a point of no return.” ADOR replied, “If the court issues a decision, it could make a settlement easier to reach.”

The third hearing is scheduled for July 24.

To recap: This legal battle dates back to November 2024, when NewJeans notified ADOR that they were terminating their exclusive contracts and announced plans to continue activities independently under the name NJZ. In response, ADOR filed a lawsuit on December 3 to confirm the validity of the contracts, stating that simply claiming “loss of trust” doesn’t justify termination. They followed that with an injunction on January 6 to prevent NewJeans from signing new endorsement deals or continuing activities as NJZ.

The court sided with ADOR in a ruling on March 21, stating that NewJeans could not engage in solo promotions without ADOR’s approval.

[tidal crystal]

so all of that us praying and shii, just for there to be a another trail in one month, well its better then them losing ig

[heady gate]

Both law firms have 13 to 14 lawyers involved in this ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial case. I expected more progress at this hearing.

[hoary frost]

next trial 24 july?

[rain spade]

of course it would be easier to reach a settlement for ador, cuz the court made the final decison and nj can't do anythiniig about it

[hollow sorrel]

I find it ridiculous how last time they were promising all these big names and saying HYBE can easily look for a producer, but know all they can show is this korean producer/DJ

https://x.com/bammi057/status/1930478402210853027?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

yb (@bammi057)

HYBE claimed last year that they would get a Grammy winning producer for Newjeans. Even during the injunction ADOR claimed they would get big industry names.

Today they revealed that they got a producer named “Hitchhiker”

He was a former sm producer who left for HYBE.

X · Jun 5, 2025, 4:14 AM

and the funniest part is that this guy worked with f(x), red velvet, and girl’s generation (all groups that MHJ creatively directed for)

https://kpop.fandom.com/wiki/Hitchhiker

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/catzkang/status/1930468204100628733

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

Because ADOR submitted this request so sudden, just before the trial was set to begin, it comes as no surprise that the court will need to schedule an additional hearing. This late development was somewhat anticipated, as such requests often lead to further proceedings in order

X · Jun 5, 2025, 3:34 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1930468204100628733 does not contain any media!

[rain spade]

if the judge encourage them to settle, you know where this will go

[thorny knot]

tldr: hybe is doing anything possible to stall the case to damage the girls success through various sketchy tactics cause this is pretty much a win for the girls

[sage venture]

sry that doesn’t mean anything It’s just the usual procedure for exclusive contract disputes

[rain spade]

sure, that's my thoughtt on itu can disagree

[short laurel]

Court still can't force girls to work with ador regardless.

[heady gate]

I have a feeling, NJ case is not going to move forward until we hear more news from BSH's case.

[rain spade]

I know. they will just have to waiit till their contract is over

[sage venture]

yep, once it reaches the final stage, the contract will be terminated anyway only the damages lawsuit will remain

[short laurel]

Once bsh in jail, so much shit would come out

[heady gate]

We know Korean judge avoid opposing those in power. If BSH lose power, it will progress NJ's case quickly.

[sage venture]

but seriously, win or lose, the law doesn’t allow forcing an artist to work against their will It might take time, but they can’t be held back indefinitely The company knows it, too

[cinder narwhal]

where is it going

[clear hill]

There has to be legal consequences for ador to continuously delay court hearings, right? I mean this isn’t an isolated incident on ador’s end but simply a pattern within hybe’s legal battles, the court has to pick this up and do something about it

With MHJ’s hearing also being delayed I feel like this is just hurting hybe’s case bc this looks like some sort of measured legal interference

Also, I’m kinda curious since MHJ’s case is involved w the NJZ case, won’t this somehow give them an advantage? The fact that there is a noticeable pattern on the opposition constantly delaying hearings and pushing agendas, the MHJ and NJZ legal battles are both kinda interconnected. If MHJ wins then wouldn’t that help the girls w this legal battle?

[tidal crystal]

is there anything happened before july 24th? or do we just wait until them to hear about anything?

[mild mist]

I still find the use of the phrase 'emergency press conference' to be inherently silly

[mild mist]

Was it ever said that "Only Min Heejin is capable"? I don't remember anyone claiming that

[stiff prairie]

any good news guys?

[tidal crystal]

idk what you know but theres going to be a new trail in july 24th

[stiff prairie]

new trial as in 2nd hearing date for the main trial or smth new altogether?

[tardy smelt]

3rd hearing main lawsuit

[stiff prairie]

isn't today the first hearing?

[sage venture]

it's 2nd and some good some bad

[stiff prairie]

sigh*

[stable escarp]

All i see is good and the sun shining by the end of all this

[sage venture]

more importantly, we’re getting closer to the first verdict That's all that matters

[stable escarp]

Will that determine the trajectory of all this? Like if it goes good theyre gonna win?

[sage venture]

win or lose, the contract will be terminated That’s why the NJZ members keep claiming there’s been an irreparable breakdown of trust The outcome will only matter in determining who has the upper hand in a potential damages lawsuit

[upbeat stream]

Idk why many people thought we would get the verdict quick. I understand the frustration, but this is a civil lawsuit, of course it's gonna take time

I expect the ruling by end of year or early next year. The fact that we got the next date under 2 months means it's progressing fast

[tawdry vessel]

november final result

verdict

comeback end of december

[sage venture]

that’s based on past cases Aside from the TVXQ case, most of these end within three to four hearings Sometimes just two if things move quickly That’s because the core issue is simply the 'confirmation of the contract' If the artist has no intention of returning to the company, the result is always contract termination anyway The damages lawsuit that follows is usually more complicated, but that comes later

[hollow sorrel]

if the hearing showed one thing today it’s that ADOR is kinda desperate and really wants money??? Which makes me think that buying the NewJeans IP back will be easier than expected in the future.

[stable escarp]

Win win win win win win

-prayjeans

[tall dew]

[sage venture]

from what I’ve seen, all of this stems from BSH’s ego Their real goal has always been to drag out the trial as long as possible, damage NJZ’s image, and quietly replace them with another group That’s why any talk of a 'settlement' just sounds laughable to me

[short laurel]

Replacement group failing to replace them. Instead they end up carving their own market but company too blind for that. Bsh focus is really wrong

[sage venture]

i wonder if BSH still holds this personal vendetta against NJZ even if he ends up in prison

[analog depot]

How did this look today? Can someone possibly summarise it for me? I’m late to school right now

[ashen charm]

settling is normal in court but most people decline

[short laurel]

Media obsessed with wording reject settlement. That part is just a common court procedure. But the media is focusing on this instead of the other information presented today.

[ashen charm]

but that only helps njz if the charges are related to the case

[short laurel]

Bsh getting thrown out helps cuz it's bsh who controlling the company that harms the idols.

[rain spade]

why do the judge keep askiing everytime when the answer iis already no geez, that's why tthey're there right. is he going to ask the same questton on july 24th still.

[copper jetty]

Does anybody know why newjeans' request for docs are only "partially granted"?

[ashen charm]

need belift source music bsh all out of power then idols can live like a family again

[short laurel]

He asked 2nd time just in case of chage of heart. It's normal to ask.nit something to focus on. It's not important. Media focusing on it only for drama

[short laurel]

Ofc but bsh is biggest issue. Many in company will change their stance once his n his family control is gone.

[copper jetty]

Well that might be hard. His name is synonymous with that group and Hybe. That's been his u know... ego stroking Words.

[short laurel]

That's why his ipo fraud case is important to us

Democratic party winning increases the chance of his family losing some control

[copper jetty]

I don't trust Korean government for that. After they said there's investigation there's been no follow up on it.

[mild mist]

He keeps asking because it gets put on the court transcript and then there is no ambiguity

[short laurel]

U can't expect followups with in a week. I don't trust tgem either but give them time

[twilit lark]

is the update from kchartmaster old news again ?

[short laurel]

Read this melk

N few post after this.

[twilit lark]

oh dang tks

[heady gate]

No major developments in today's case. Why do both law firms need 13-14 lawyers?

[short laurel]

Usually to focus on different aspects of the case. they get large number of layers with different expertise for the case.

But for this case it's most likely just politics in court room. Ex judge influencing result with friebd judge n stuff like that

[hoary frost]

He was sm producer moved to hybe

oh someone answered below

ijust redvelvet and sweet witches fx were produced by him for exmaple

[copper jetty]

I don't know any of the songs he produced but dang that jump from mark ronson to him? What happened to that "Grammy winning producer" they were saying? Did they just really put mark ronson's picture there without even sending a proposal?? Dang now I need to know... good thing newjeans asked for those files.

[short laurel]

https://x.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1930168283577123140?t=M8DBOT98Ruhzxs5OOMlsYA&s=19
Partially?

About Music (@AboutMusicYT)

Kpop idol and lawsuit winner Wonyoung and Starship Entertainment partially won their lawsuit against Sojang. The court has ordered the blogger to pay 50M won in damages.

X · Jun 4, 2025, 7:42 AM

N only 50m won? That blogger probably earned way more by defaming her

[cinder narwhal]

hi wonyoung 6th member of newjeans

[short laurel]

Sojang is related to hybe.

Sojang was donated be4 by hybe executive. He defamed bts members n got sued by them n members won but bighit got compensation too even though bighit did nothing to protect members. Nothing happened to the hybe executive who supported the youtuber

Youtuber in jail though. But wonyoung recieved much less compensation while bighit received too much.

[subtle matrix]

They're probably gonna ask every time yeah

[empty halo]

njz refused a settlement with ador?

[subtle matrix]

The judge asked again if they're willing to settle and they said no

[empty halo]

oh

[short laurel]

Court will always ask if it's possible n parties involved will keep rejecting it. Common thing in long running civil cases. Settlement will end the case saving everyone's time but parties involved needs to be satisfied with settlement. Ador not giving any reason for girls to agree with settlement

[empty halo]

and did ador have anything to say about settling?

[empty halo]

oh okay

[short laurel]

. Read this

N few post after that.

[short laurel]

N this.

[empty halo]

they're making it sound as if ador personally reached out to mhdhh and asked them to settle and they rejected it 💀

when I read some tweets that's what I initially thought

thank you for the clarification

[short laurel]

As if ador ready for settlement. They want to trap girls n kill their brand

[empty halo]

idk why there's such long gaps for sessions like this tho, did both sides srsly need all that preparation for what happened today?

[short laurel]

Like can u believe this. Where's that grammy winning producer

[empty halo]

bruh

😭
this is js goofy

[short laurel]

It's normal in civil case. It's not emergency for them. It's still mich better than what we have in india. Billions of pending case with majority decades old n court still taking holidays

[short laurel]

N this. Ugly behaviour

[empty halo]

I guess it's not that big of an emergency but a speedy trial and this issue getting wrapped up would be beneficial for everyone, from a neutral perspective both mhdhh and ador would get closure and move on faster. pfft whatever 🫩

[short laurel]

It's like that for almost everyone involved in lawsuit but court have to prioritise things n some issues are more important than this. That's how it is unfortunately.

[empty halo]

lmao kinda reminds me of the tactics used by diddys legal team against the prosecution. the point isn't to end the trial and get a result its to pester the opposition

[empty halo]

sucks :/

[short laurel]

Like bsh ipo fraud case n hybe internal trading are much bigger issue since more money involved n trust of investors in sk could be lost if not resolved quickly.they have alot of insider trading cases...

[empty halo]

🙂‍↕️

[short laurel]

Bsh n hybe criminal case will probably start in few weeks or a month or 2

[rain spade]

U watch rotten mango huuh

[empty halo]

well ty for the updates im gonna go back to sleep

[grizzled summit]

ANY UPDATES

[subtle matrix]

bro the last like 6 hours have been updates maybe scroll up

[arctic egret]

r we cooked

"We’ve crossed a river of no return"

NewJeans refused ADOR's request to the possibility of settlement in today's hearing

Next hearing will be on 24th July

[fleet nebula]

nah thats what we want

[arctic egret]

rlly

damn ok yay ig

[hollow sorrel]

if they go back to ADOR this will be their producer…

https://x.com/poppykpoppie/status/1930543501986435095?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie)

um, so this is the producer that ador has for njz. no offense to the guy, but hard pass.

X · Jun 5, 2025, 8:33 AM

They promised to look for a Grammy winner producer, but later they were only able to look for this guy.

[tawdry vessel]

i just by rv is peak

[short laurel]

Basically someone who worked with mhj in sm is replacing mhj at ador.

[subtle matrix]

Didn't they say it would take 1 1/2 years to find a grammy winning producer

[short laurel]

It's been nearly 1 year. Progress still stuck at sm. They have to move away from sm to korea, then to usa to get grammy winning producer.

Hybe n it's stans obsession with sm is getting weird.

They hate em yet they want em.

[hollow sorrel]

Yeah they told NJZ parents around the time of How Sweet that they are looking for a producer, and technically a year has passed since.

[subtle matrix]

Well if they didn't newjeans wouldn't exist

[sage venture]

In my opinion, HYBE had no real plan when they fired MHJ the second time They’re just making things up as they go That Hitchhiker guy stopped working as a music producer few years ago and got the job at HYBE’s game department So basically, he’s an internal guy You can see the picture here
No surprise they dropped the whole producer from the injunction presentation Honestly, it looked like they just pasted images from a google search

[short laurel]

I wonder if hitchhicker knows that ador is recruiting him

[short laurel]

Lol

[old cypress]

we always knew it would take more than a year to conclude

there will be a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th hearing

[sage venture]

6th hearing is unusual No lawsuit in this category has dragged on that long since the TVXQ

[subtle matrix]

Well it's an unusual case

[hollow sorrel]

thats why sejong is genius for asking for proof whether or not a meeting was called before dismissing MHJ and how it would impact the girls
(knowing HYBE there probably wasn't)

[old cypress]

I didn't know hitchhiker moved from sm to hybe lol

[storm warren]

he was put in charge of the music for HYBE IM (games)

[old cypress]

I see

[storm warren]

Hitchhiker is probably what they scrambled to make up this time bc he is at their disposal

and he will be willing to take hybe's side lol

[short laurel]

The flop department which got free money transferred from ador as fees for putting newjeans in games?

[sage venture]

i wonder how much he actually agreed to all this He seemed to be a great guy, actually he was the bassist in the band rollercoaster back in the day

[storm warren]

he has not done anything notable in ages

even in SM, he was never sole producer or had any high production role bc his style is peculiar

[sage venture]

yep it’s kind of funny to think 'is this really the best guy you could come up with?'

[hoary frost]

i like his style

ice cream and sweet witches r iconic songs especially. But i don't really think his style fits njz that much

[storm warren]

his style suits sm

[sage venture]

i’m not sure about that, but his rollercoaster albums were great

[storm warren]

even sm evolved their music in the past year or two. putting hitchhiker in charge of group like njz is simply laughable