NJZ Updates and Discussion

[short laurel]

as for bsh. there's already people coming up saying "it's only accusation, there's no proof yet"

[copper jetty]

read it. People are crazy to be jumping to conclusions. smdh

[copper jetty]

I mean government wouldn't be investigating if there's no fire. But also in a way true since nothing is proven yet. But sus though

[short laurel]

FSS said they've secured circumstantial evidence of bsh lying. so there's that.

need more investigation ofc but i'll take it since it's bsh

but i feel like another executive or employee will be thrown under the bus

[copper jetty]

do you have the source for this though? Also i think i read that there's actually 2 government department or offices investigating this so this could probably be true

[short laurel]

https://www.pannchoa.com/2025/05/exclusive-bang-sihyuk-accused-of-400.html they translated korean article which claim this

5 years prison to life time prison

korean comments pannchoa translated are funny. "1. Please please ㅜㅜ Please " xD

[copper jetty]

ooh yeah you're right. BUT it's circumstantial evidence though so... there could still be a little leeway on that. But yup 2 offices or departments are actually investigating this lmao.

[short laurel]

lol?

[stable escarp]

LOL

[copper jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-laugh-lol-funny-as-gif-24228323

Korea better put a no fly notice for BSH. Lmao he about to fly out to LA and be here in the US permanently

[short laurel]

trump n ICE will deport him. bsh is east asian so they'll call him chinese

[subtle matrix]

Just needs to buy that $5m gold visa

[short laurel]

trump will still do it. can't have any possible "chinese" in there

[mild mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na1d0gTG7eE

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1927675925606678671

Shamanz MHDHH (오빠) (@shamanjz)

Oh sht is right🤣🤣🤣

X · May 28, 2025, 10:38 AM

with the investigation, do you guys think this will affect them more in the coming days ie their stocks? I think people are still gonna bank on that BTS comeback especially since it's in a couple of months.

[subtle matrix]

They're up like 40% on the year, had a great Q1 and BTS is coming back. I don't think this will affect them much

Investors probably don't care much about BSH disappearing, hybe is much bigger than him at this point

[upbeat stream]

Their P/E ratio remains ridiculously high though

[short laurel]

That's sooo dam high. I don't think that's a good thing.

[upbeat stream]

My god, Karina is really getting destroyed on korean twitter even after her apology. What I found interesting is that all the k-tokkis I follow are defending her while some random knetz got a hit tweet comparing njz's political activism to karina's ignorance. This might ruin tokkis and mys friendship, especially in korea

[flint stone]

do they hate on Karina again? what did she do?

[upbeat stream]

She posted a red outfit with the number 2 on instagram, which is seen as support for PPP, Yoon's party. It was probably unintentional and she has already apologized but that's not enough for knetz

[ashen charm]

in a different country he would but its korea the most would happen is probation or fines no jail time ever happens unless murder even with outcry of the public the Samsung hier got caught with birbery and served a lesser sentence sk is run by companys not the government

[wary creek]

oh man, i doubt much will come from this fraud investigation of bsh but 5 years to life imprisonment is a wild difference

[ashen charm]

a slap on the wrist and a big fine pretty much

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/cliff_cow/status/1927805218873598089

[narrow seal]

250528 Bunnies_CowCow (@​cliff_cow) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/cliff_cow/status/1927805218873598089
[Korea Stock News] - Girl group NewJeans took first place in the K-POP female group popularity poll in the May 27 issue of Dishtrend.

They once again proved their unrivaled presence by receiving a total of 18,776 votes. Recently, NewJeans won the 'Best K-Pop Song in Japan' award for 'Ditto' at the 'Music Awards Japan 2025' held in Kyoto, Japan.
https://t.co/nKLvIYBkDp

#MHDHH #NJZ

[heady gate]

The biggest winner is the law firms. Regardless the result, they make the most profit of all these cases.

[old cypress]

as always

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1927675925606678671

[narrow seal]

250528 Shamanz MHDHH (오빠) (@​shamanjz) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/shamanjz/status/1927675925606678671
Oh sht is right🤣🤣🤣

[bronze talon]

Wrong channel buddy

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/iseauseamee/status/1927866089288994936

NJZ Fund (@iseauseamee)

First thing that I saw when I arrived Seoul. NJZ is still here

X · May 28, 2025, 11:14 PM

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/Jeff__Benjamin/status/1927788756246937634

[harsh dove]

@Jeff__Benjamin <t:1748455630:d>

[copper jetty]

huh... Hybe america is also selling Big Machine Rock label

[empty halo]

i agree totally sk is run by companies but is even some jail time not possible? Not life but perhaps a year or two. Didn't the Samsung heir also go to jail? If he can then I'm sure bsh can also be forced to serve some time behind bars

[empty halo]

saving up money for the bsh trial it seems

[copper jetty]

isn't this taylor's former label? The one where scooter bought her former discography??

[copper jetty]

maybe... for bribing to lower the verdict and for lawyer fees plus fines if proven guilty.

[hoary frost]

yes

[copper jetty]

lmao... I hope Hybe is regretting taking Scooter with them.

[empty halo]

big machine rock label was Taylor's former label yes, all of her masters were under this label. Scooter Brauns label Ithaca labels bought big machine rock label and then later Ithaca and HYBE America merged. However it seems like Taylor's masters were sold to some company called Shamrock Holdings and that's where it's at now

[copper jetty]

thanks for the summary

[empty halo]

yw

[heady gate]

Shamrock Holdings is a Disney family's investment firm

[copper jetty]

does hybe need money that bad right now? Idk if any of their debts are maturing but they seem to be getting ready financially for something. Selling SM stocks plus this label...

atp someone tell them to just sell Ador too.

[heady gate]

1. BSH Financial fraud case incurs higher fees. 😆
2. Since he is a billionaire, his fee will be higher. 😅
   HYBE sold SM shares to Tencent Music, providing funding.

[empty halo]

they might be doing a rebrand w their mhj replacement

[copper jetty]

plus Hybe America also sold this BM label.
Aside from taylor swift (taylor's ver.) i would understand if they're not profiting from that BUT they have other artists like THE Dolly Parton, Tim McGraw, Rascal Flatts. Most of the big names in country music

[empty halo]

dolly parton?? that's crazy

they desperately need that money but why is HYBE America selling labels?? Hybe korea would provide the funding for a bsh case no? I can't tell what they're planning here

[copper jetty]

formerly but yeah

[empty halo]

hmm

https://x.com/kchartsmaster/status/1927891593530319031?t=n28kC7YewU8-QMDKWU9mPw&s=33

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster)

HYBE has established a subsidiary company in Beijing, China. HYBE CHINA Co., Ltd.

https://t.co/GIJ8pVQ7H5

X · May 29, 2025, 12:55 AM

[copper jetty]

yup. And i think i also recently read about scooter asking Justin Bieber to pay his debts too.

[empty halo]

okay I think they were trying to gather funding to open a Chinese label

[heady gate]

HYBE America's earnings don't always transfer to HYBE Corp. We must await their next financial statement.

[short laurel]

Depends on the amount in the fraud. If it's huge then he's not avoiding jail time regardless of the power he has. If the amount is low if he commit the fraud the atleast he'll have to get out of public eyes for a while.

[empty halo]

but the fact that they have to sell labels and shares just to open a new empty label in another country is giving bleeding money

despite being the "biggest" label in korea

[copper jetty]

well tbh we still don't know if the funds were used for that. We'll see

[empty halo]

yeah

[copper jetty]

It is weird though.

[short laurel]

They Still keeping distribution rights i think

[copper jetty]

Also, I remember taylor actually refused to buy her former discography (shamrock and her were talking) but since scooter is still gonna have profits from it (apparently this was in the sales contract and scooter also told shamrock not to disclose this to taylor) she refused. So Hybe America maybe would still profit from it.

[heady gate]

https://youtu.be/rr0UuD4ma-s?si=_yxfeBE5kZnVAnUl

[short laurel]

Hybe america still not earning profits iirl

[heady gate]

According to Article 443 of the Capital Markets Act, if profits gained or losses avoided through violations exceed 5 billion won, the punishment is increased to life imprisonment or imprisonment for at least five years.

[empty halo]

also they wanted an NDA bc of which she couldnt speak negatively about scooter Braun and she refused

[empty halo]

Nope it's not profitable. Only 6/17 companies under Hybe are profitable I think lmao

[copper jetty]

i love her pettiness lmao

[copper jetty]

well, I know 100% he's not gonna get life so maybe five years plus violation fees

[empty halo]

ADOR, hybe japan, source music, bighit, pledis and weverse japan are the only Hybe companies that are profitable

Hybe america, weverse company, hybe labels japan, koz ent, hybe IM, supertone, binary Korea all report net losses

[upbeat stream]

Tbh the fact that Samsung chairperson even got sentenced to prison is a big deal. And he only got out due to Joe Biden negotiating for him. I can't imagine the US doing that to, say, Elon Musk even after the Trump presidency despite all the insane shit he has done.

[short laurel]

Hybe japan n hybe label japan whats the difference?

Also what groups under hybe japan.

[empty halo]

Hybe japan is like the executive part that manages business + weverse there and HYBE labels japan debuts artists and groups

[copper jetty]

they also handle japan concerts iirc

[short laurel]

Who uses weverse in japan.

[empty halo]

1 boy group called &TEAM

[empty halo]

apparently a lot of people bc it's one of the 6 profitable companies that HYBE has lmao

[short laurel]

Aah makes sense then.

Concerts make alot of money.

[empty halo]

Japanese people are very into parasocial relationships and interacting with idols so

[hoary frost]

Oh...?

[copper jetty]

so if any of the hybe groups have concert there it's managed by Hybe Japan. I remember them cause MHJ didn't use their service and went to a third party instead for the bunnies camp tokyo dome

[short laurel]

No wonder hybe was screaming "njz didn't do good in japan ". They couldn't profit from bunnies camp japan

[empty halo]

thats embarrassing for HYBE japan

[empty halo]

it all makes sense now

[hoary frost]

Lol why are the comments of that tweet cheering for "hybe world domination" as if hybe is their favourite group or something

So is the ban really ending...?

[short laurel]

Cuz dumb. Atleast under china hybe will be heavily restricted by chinese government

[heady gate]

yea, MHJ used Hayashi International Promotions (HIP) instead of HYBE Japan.

[copper jetty]

lmao "there's no such thing as a Hybe Stan."

[empty halo]

dw HYBE china is gonna report net losses just like 11 out of the 17 hybe companies soon 💗

[heady gate]

HYBE has a division in China? damn

[empty halo]

@heady gate

[copper jetty]

they're launching it. I guess the ban's gonna get lifted.

Do any of the Hybe groups right now have a chinese member? And how are the chinese reception of other Hybe groups (other than BTS) there?
I know NewJeans are big there plus maybe seventeen but how about the others?

Also lmao, I'm not gonna be surprised if one of the ggs that they want to release would have a chinese member to capture the market there too.

[empty halo]

BTS seventeen and Newjeans have the strongest fandoms there I think. As for idols, seventeen has 2 chinese members. That's it they only have 2 active Chinese idols under the company

I think they might've opened Hybe China to function similarly to Hybe Japan in the sense that they won't debut Chinese groups but instead just use it to manage their existing groups activites within China (esp since the concert ban is clearly getting lifted)

[copper jetty]

Yeah maybe. Their group popularity there is still kind of lacking to establish it though, if it's only 3 that's big there, they might be trying to expand ig. I still think SM groups have an advantage compared to Hybe for Chinese market

[empty halo]

100% bc SM has been making plans and strategising on the chinese market for decades. I don't keep up w boy groups but aespa is big there. Ningning is Chinese and people love her obvi but Karina is also MASSIVE there

besides hybe usually cares more about popularity in the US

[hoary frost]

oh i didnt notice how little chinese idols hybe has. seventeen isnt even hybe original group

[upbeat stream]

TWS has a Chinese member too

Her demographic is overwhelmingly anti-PPP so she is unlikely to be conservative based on that alone. But I've been told she is a devout catholic (idk how true this is, I'm not an aespa fan), so who knows

[empty halo]

uhuh

[hoary frost]

I don't know why karina would chose to do such a thing, I mean being an idol for so long she should know better...? However I've seen alot of idols who were delibrating even doing peace sign because of what it could mean. Now tbh it could easily be chalked up to that its a jacket she liked, she picked an emoji that matches as she apparently often does those type of combos, and apparently forgot...I mean there is plausible deniability there and I don't really know why she would on purpose do this. Unless she maybe felt very strongly for cause.
Btw for the one who brought up her being catholic I don't think Catholic in Korea are known for right wing/conservative values nor I think it's right to generalize ppl bcuz of their religions like that

[empty halo]

whats tws....

[hoary frost]

pledis group (bg)

[copper jetty]

i don't really care much for groups not NJZ related so i don't have any opinion. I don't know aespa members and their personalities, i only know their songs.

[empty halo]

ohh i see

[hoary frost]

I am also wondering how ppl in China responded to the issue

[upbeat stream]

Btw, unrelated to us, but ASI has been cleared of forgery charges by the police. I don't really care about him or either of the groups tbh, but it's just interesting to see how badly dispatch and lee jin-ho's narratives are playing out in court/with police. That's 3 losses for attrakt in a month

[copper jetty]

which issue?

[hoary frost]

karina controversy

[copper jetty]

Also what's ASI?

[hoary frost]

Oh I saw that. That forgery was a huge talking point...it turns out to be false...reddit lawyers in shambles I guess...they were strangely quiet about the veridct

[hoary frost]

the givers ceo

[empty halo]

she either lives a sheltered life under a rock and does not keep up w news that even 12 year olds in her country are aware of and is an airhead or she was trying to be sneaky and then deleted it immediately and called it a "misunderstanding". Either ways its disappointing. Everyone should understand the basics of whats happening in their country. If she was aware and did it on purpose its even worse. I can't tell you her intentions but I'm disappointed either ways

[upbeat stream]

Ahn Seung-il, aka Siahn. The producer of old fifty fifty, who was alleged to have forged Keena's signature on cupid's copyright, reducing her share

[hoary frost]

Now on Karina insta comments I checked there were alot of korean comments calling her nationalist queen with alot of likes

[empty halo]

but her fanbase doesn't rlly determine her personal political views. And yes she is a catholic. The best possible reasoning for that post would be that she's just dumb and is unaware of everything that's happening

[upbeat stream]

Also a friend of mine who keeps up with aespa said that Karina usually doesn't post emojis matching posts (which some people have a habit of doing). So it's particularly suspicious

[hoary frost]

Well ngl it just doesn't add up to me that she would do this with that intent. Unless the goal was to attract that audience (I also heard smth about blue party leader son, actually some ppl saying the comments he made were not actually from him but idk)

[hoary frost]

Someone showed me that she did make emoji matching posts oftentimes with evidence

[opaque flicker]

I think it's time to stop insulting her on a situation we have no idea what actually meant

[upbeat stream]

Idk then. As I said, not a fan

[upbeat stream]

her demographic as in she is a woman in her 20s

[empty halo]

Im not insulting her, I dont know her intentions here 😭
Im a MY, I love Karina but if she was genuinely completely 100% unaware of what those symbols mean then she is atleast a little dumb im sorry

thats like being American and posting " 🦅 ❤️ " during election season while wearing a red hat

[empty halo]

okay yeah that does make sense and she does read feminist books I think? Idk it's very confusing I can't tell what her intentions were here

[opaque flicker]

ok then let's chill and keep it nice

[upbeat stream]

Kinda worse, since symbolism of this sort is a much bigger deal in korea than in the US

[empty halo]

absolutely, for a korean in this very politically tense time if you show them a rose they're probably gonna think of the ppp

but idk, i love aespa so despite the chances being slim im hoping it was a mistake

[hoary frost]

dad is military and mom nurse

But well I mean we don't need to psychoanalyze her to get evidence that if she supports or not. her demographic is unlikely to support in general...so in the end we dont know. catholic in korea aren't tied to conservatism either

[empty halo]

and what makes this 2x worse is the usual copy pasted vague kpop idol apology that doesn't clear up anything and just apologises for "upsetting the fans" 😭

[upbeat stream]

But I should stop speculating. If it was a newjeans member, I know I wouldn't. I would be defending her, so this feels hypocritical, especially because there isn't strong evidence one way or the other

[hoary frost]

Speculations can go either way tbh...in the end we dont truly know what she meant by that...also I think we don't have the korean political knowlege to speculate like that based on her background or whatever

[empty halo]

yes, also by posting something like that intentionally she completely alienates a MASSIVE fanbase. Koreans generally hate the ppp after the coup attempt. Would she, a kpop idol who's trained to have a clear and clean image, make a sneaky political post bc she prioritises getting her message out there over making people hate her? Probably not

[hoary frost]

No it's not lifted yet and there used to be often news that it's gonna be lifted...so lets see

[empty halo]

I don't think Chinese people would care very much idk

Korean and international fans are pissed though

[empty halo]

I think Hybe probably has better intel and info on the ban getting lifted. If they established a company there then I'm assuming kpop concerts will be allowed in China

[hoary frost]

Yeah i agree its likely it might be for real this time. but well nothing 100% assured

[empty halo]

yes

[subtle matrix]

After reading reactions by Koreans I feel like that doesn't even accurately describe it, it was even more obvious

[short laurel]

No. There are many people who have 0 idea about politics in their country. India n usa are great examples.
I m sure there are koreans who only know about yoon but no idea about blue or red.

[hoary frost]

I doubt after martial law that happened she wouldn't be aware of atleast that much,. I just saw a bunch of idols who were hesitate to even do peace/thumbs up sign cause its a sign of support

[short laurel]

We don't know. Maybe she's airhead, maybe she truely supports ppp, maybe her stylist made her do it. Maybe it was sm.
Yea there are idols who are being careful but we have seen many idols in the past who end up doing dumb things without realising n put their career at risk.

We don't know her personally so we have no idea of truth n we'll probably never get the truth.

[hoary frost]

i agree. also the thing where apparently other candidate son got fined 5m won for harassing karina online.

[mild mist]

it will be lifted right after we get that fromis_9 japanese début that people have been talking about since 2019

[empty halo]

omg there are so many examples of idols wearing a certain old german party symbolism ☠️
its BIZARRE how many times that's happened

and how fiercely they're defended too god

[short laurel]

I only know of one which was german related.
The other one i heard of was more buddhism related.

[empty halo]

Buddhist related? Im not sure what you're referencing but I know that Chaeyoung from twice, BTS members, a member of gfriend and a member of purplekiss are confirmed to have worn old german party related clothes. There was also a nugu bg but I forgot their name

Im just surprised its happened so many times 😭 💀

[flint stone]

https://x.com/Daepunimarchive/status/1928019116796846501?t=tEY9Q6dxjqJyuh21HBum0A&s=19

mhj아카이브 (@Daepunimarchive)

[단독] 경찰, 방시혁 '사기적 부정거래' 혐의 압수수색 영장 신청 (출처 : 한국경제 | 네이버 뉴스) https://t.co/ORyKqkiIcI

잘가게ㅋㅋ

X · May 29, 2025, 9:22 AM

Guys

[stiff prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/jalen-hurts-jalen-hurts-meek-mill-i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-gif-13709870523385828441

[short laurel]

Idk about bts. Gfriend was not german related. It was something else. but ppl just made whatever to hate. Chaeyoung one was bad though.

[short laurel]

Wait why was warrent for search rejected at 1st.

[empty halo]

Sowon from gfriend dropped a photo with a mannequin wearing a .... officer uniform. RM from BTS was seen wearing a cap w a symbol associated w .... Agency apologised for both those instances

[short laurel]

I remember sowon case the uniform was not what ppl were saying.

[old cypress]

looked like a nazi uniform to me

[flint stone]

What? Never heard about rejected warrant, didn't they just requested it?

[empty halo]

Reputable news outlets like BBC and the guardian reported that it was a nazi uniform. Also why would source music issue a genuine apology if it was just a misunderstanding? They'd clear the misunderstanding up and apologise for that

[short laurel]

It's written in the article that account shared

[buoyant hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-happy-dance-happy-birthday-happy-birthday-to-you-gif-14641296808833921829

[short laurel]

Kpop companies apologise regardless of who is wrong.
In sowon case there was so much random but i clearly remember in the end it turns out to be completely different.

[old cypress]

until bsh is actually behind bars

[short laurel]

Media likes to pick up whatever makes them news. They rarely verify it. Especially BBC

[hoary frost]

it was

[flint stone]

I'm still at reading name of the article

[hoary frost]

Cafe owner who had the mannequin confirmed it

[empty halo]

Every apology has a certain intent. Apology for misunderstandings are different from apologies for actual mistakes. Looking back at the picture it looks like a nazi unifrom to me.

[old cypress]

you don't even need confirmation, just look at the uniform lol

[hoary frost]

yes im just saying

[short laurel]

Sowon case i m very sure as i read it in details. There are soo many articles that says different things online on it though.

[empty halo]

right

[old cypress]

maybe you read that it was not a SS uniform but a general army one

[short laurel]

It was uniform of some army but i clearly remember it says it not being from nazi

[old cypress]

well it was obviously wrong

as the cafe owner confirmed it as well

[short laurel]

Show me links of verified sources.

[subtle matrix]

Definitely was lol

[hoary frost]

The owner of the cafe where the photos were taken, a military history buff who declined to be identified by name, told AFP the uniform was that of "a second lieutenant in a German army tank unit during World War II".

The display was not "intended to glorify National Socialism", he added, but was part of his research for a book on the history of military uniforms.

"I also have mannequins dressed in uniforms for the Allied Forces in World War II on show, including the US and UK," he said.

[short laurel]

Why would they even have problematic thing like that ?

[old cypress]

because it's not problematic in korea

[short laurel]

I said send me link of verified sources. Not text. Cuz there was so many different things said about it back then by different sources.

[old cypress]

you should probably look for the source saying that it's not that uniform

[short laurel]

I read it long ago. It's not easy to find. But i Will. N I'll need u guys source too.

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/AFP/status/1356544640330067968 it got deleted it looks like. but look at the reply it has the article

AFP News Agency (@AFP)

The managers of K-pop girl band GFriend issued an apology after leader Sowon was pictured hugging a mannequin dressed in a Nazi-era German army uniform
https://t.co/O68vjQb6Yk

X · Feb 2, 2021, 10:07 AM

[empty halo]

Look at the collar and the hat.

[hoary frost]

Idk why there is a debate over this tbh

[empty halo]

the one sowon took a picture with was wearing a coat on top but the collar is visible

[hoary frost]

its not like i think sowon did it bcuz she is a supporter. poor judgement on her part. but it was that uniform and thats a fact

[empty halo]

full image

[old cypress]

do people not use their eyes anymore lol

[empty halo]

yeah and her and the agency did apologise 😭
just a big misunderstanding/mistake

[flint stone]

https://x.com/NewJeansSTRM/status/1928031082714206450?t=y3JZYhOagVVENVjdBbkJrA&s=19 name of the article sounds too good to be true

팀 버니즈 (@NewJeansSTRM)

[단독] 검찰, 하이브 압수수색…'미공개 정보 이용' 수사
https://t.co/5HN2hMS35R

X · May 29, 2025, 10:10 AM

[old cypress]

oh they posted

[short laurel]

In reply pll are saying its misleading article.

[empty halo]

RAID??

[copper jetty]

oh BSH is cooked.

[flint stone]

Need to read article first

[empty halo]

yeah

[copper jetty]

how in the hell did that audit pass???

[flint stone]

But name of article

[hoary frost]

which part is misleading

[short laurel]

We not have much knowledge of how the uniform looked like or much about it in details in asia. For all we know uk was bigger problem here. That's why i m asking for verified articles from u guys.

[short laurel]

That's what i wanna know. Ppl just saying there's misinformation in it

[empty halo]

@short laurel 😭

[hoary frost]

look at this

[short laurel]

Yea i m reading that now.

[flint stone]

*x -c https://x.com/juantokki/status/1928032877704532406?t=0hSAQ1vdy8bMRfeJRvQl0g&s=19 Juan translated

[harsh dove]

@juantokki <t:1748513833:d>

[Exclusive] Prosecution Raids HYBE in ‘Insider Trading’ Investigation
https://n.news.naver.com/article/055/0001262290?lfrom=twitter
Reporter Jeon Hyung-woo

Prosecutors have recently conducted a search and seizure at HYBE, Korea’s largest entertainment agency.

The investigation centers around allegations that a HYBE executive used non-public internal information to gain unfair profits worth hundreds of millions of won.

In January 2021, Big Hit Entertainment (HYBE’s former name) announced a ₩70 billion investment in YG PLUS, a subsidiary of YG Entertainment.

At that time, Executive A, who was in charge of finance at Big Hit, is alleged to have purchased YG PLUS shares before the investment was publicly announced, netting an illegal profit of ₩240 million (~$175,000).

The Financial Services Commission referred the case to the Seoul Southern District Prosecutors’ Office, which is now carrying out a full-fledged investigation to verify the insider trading allegations.

More details will be reported on SBS 8 News.

[copper jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-right-now-newjeans-kpop-newjeans-dance-newjeans-music-newjeans-performance-gif-7202564942405905238

[old cypress]

it's not related to the IPO or BSH then

[short laurel]

Yea i get it. But i m curious about what ppl are calling misleading in the post u shared.

[copper jetty]

wait it's a different one? Lmao, Hybe dirt are getting dug one thing at a time.
Also this case that's being investigated also came from the FSS which is investigating the IPO listing.

[hoary frost]

Idk. i just looked and i think it was bcuz of the headline. but this happened 4 years ago so not sure (also they seemed to mad bcuz another group mentioned)

[short laurel]

Article also plagiarised maybe that's why it was deleted

[empty halo]

theyre saying its misleading bc managers of the group didn't apologise but the company did (as if that's very diff??) probably just salty stans scared for their fave

[short laurel]

Whatever the drama ig there's always different narrative ppl n media spread on each side.

[subtle matrix]

I'm not sure why this is being such a point of contention tbh. Whether it is or isn't a genuine nazi germany uniform is kind of besides the point because anyone can see that's what it looks like

[short laurel]

All i asked for is source which they gave to correct my incorrect knowledge.

[empty halo]

yeah its just kinda universally agreed that she made a poor choice and it was a nazi uniform design

[empty halo]

so there's 2 cases?

[old cypress]

yeah 2 cases it seems

[flint stone]

*x -c https://x.com/luenacore/status/1928033935352857085?t=ltCJmqiKAS6p__sLkxLTKw&s=19 looks like it's really 2 different cases, even better

luna ୨ৎ (@luenacore)

The police have applied for a search and seizure warrant for HYBE and others in relationship to Bang Shi-Hyuk's fraudulent illicit transactions and are coordinating with prosecutors and the Financial Supervisory Service, which is conducting a parallel investigation.

Prosecutors

X · May 29, 2025, 10:21 AM

[harsh dove]

@luenacore <t:1748514085:d>

The police have applied for a search and seizure warrant for HYBE and others in relationship to Bang Shi-Hyuk's fraudulent illicit transactions and are coordinating with prosecutors and the Financial Supervisory Service, which is conducting a parallel investigation.

Prosecutors have also launched a search and seizure of HYBE in a separate case, where a HYBE executive allegedly used undisclosed internal information to earn hundreds of millions of won in illicit profits.

Source: https://n.news.naver.com/article/015/0005138482
https://n.news.naver.com/article/055/0001262290?lfrom=twitter

:warning: Tweet with id 2 returned 404!

[old cypress]

double search lol

[copper jetty]

hahahahahahahahahaha

[short laurel]

I didn't carefully looked at hat n collar tbf so my mistake. But rest style idt is exclusive to them. Education here atleast 10 year ago didn't really teach much about these so i had no idea.

[empty halo]

happens
looks like you had the same judgement as Sowon here

[old cypress]

pretty sure sowon just went "wow handsome guy"

[empty halo]

yeah lmaoo

[short laurel]

our education system sucks do bad. They barely teach properly about our own freedom fighters n british empire. Can't expect them to teach about ww1 n ww2.

[subtle matrix]

Is it 2 investigations on the same violation or 2 investigations on different stuff?

[old cypress]

diff stuff, one is fraud related to ipo and the other is insider trading

[empty halo]

different it seems

[flint stone]

Who is Sowon and how is she related to njz?

[short laurel]

Somu previous groups leader.

[empty halo]

member of gfriend, not related to njz

[short laurel]

It's related in sense that hybe media play tried to blame mhj of their disbandment

[subtle matrix]

This thread name is a lie

[flint stone]

Hmm, let's look at the name of the chat then

[empty halo]

kpop controversy chat

[tardy smelt]

funny news

[upbeat stream]

Even kchartsmaster tweeted about it lol

[copper jetty]

lmao I guess Hybe being searched and seized is a big enough issue. Let me check X now

[copper jetty]

about dang time that account tweeted it. They tried not to with the first issue with BSH but hybe being searched is a big news they can't help not to.
Not tweeting about it just makes it more obvious that that account is paid by that yellow company.

[empty halo]

Guys as a law student 🤓 ☝️
Bang Si Hyuk has made a really bad legal decision here ❌
He's completely ruined his career 😔

[copper jetty]

*x https://x.com/theletter_Y/status/1928039263486054590

[harsh dove]

@theletter_Y <t:1748515356:d>

[short laurel]

Btw it's still not proven yet n under investigation. That's the argument hybe stans using which is fair.

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1928033710491722102 does not contain any media!

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1928033710491722102

Mino (@MinotaurKard)

So a HYBE Executive was searched and its building was raided for insider trading but we didn't hear a single peep about it from HYBE. I thought they had to disclose everything thats happening to them cause they are a public company?? Hybe stans where you at

X · May 29, 2025, 10:20 AM

[short laurel]

Wait building was raided?

[copper jetty]

i think they're still aplying for a request to search and seize

It's an ongoing news rn.

[empty halo]

Is it true that the Bang Si Hyuk investigation was from last year and has been closed? Or is this a new investigation?

[short laurel]

Yea that's what i think. They are yet to be raided

[short laurel]

News on ipo fraud came out in nov or dec last year but yoon happened n it got delayed. They continuing it now

[empty halo]

Im seeing people say the bsh case is old and is "SM mediaplay" to cover up recent controversies

[copper jetty]

wait but it says here that they recently conducted a search and seize at hybe though?

[empty halo]

oh was there a new development?

[short laurel]

Always hybe stans not blaming mhj or sm fir everything challenge

[empty halo]

True

[short laurel]

Yea the investigation we just heard about is new development.

[copper jetty]

and it says here in this article that it recently conducted a search and seize so they must have.

[empty halo]

Hmm okay
Someone needs to shut the kpop uncensored reddit down its like a hybe ass licking competition out there

[old cypress]

Do prosecutors even let people know they're about to get raided so they can delete evidence beforehand? lol

[empty halo]

I think it could be a mistranslation by juantokki yknow human error bc im pretty sure kchartmaster reported that theyve requested a warrant

[short laurel]

In a country controlled by companies they most likely knew about this be4 public news was posted

[sage venture]

I was gonna stay away until the girls come back but something happened again?

[short laurel]

For bsh. Insider trading one is different. On it it says they searched it

[empty halo]

Oh interesting

[short laurel]

2 different cases at the same time

Also since ipo fraud came out nov or dec last year i have a feeling bsh already covered his tracks somewhat...

[old cypress]

maybe maybe

they already secured evidence for ipo fraud

[hoary frost]

that subreddit raises my blood pressure everytime

[copper jetty]

"tHErE'S nO sUCh tHinG aS a hYBe sTAn." brainrot over there

[old cypress]

why would you harm yourself and check kpop reddit

[short laurel]

It's not concrete. It circumstantial.

[old cypress]

according to?

[hoary frost]

Yeah you are right. idont go there anymore but sometimes I end up seeing posts from there

[short laurel]

Yesterdays article on it

[copper jetty]

yeah but their circumstancial evidence is this though.

[old cypress]

they secured statements

[copper jetty]

They actually have written response from the management regarding listing being difficult

[short laurel]

If they already had solid evidence. Bsh would already be under arrest. Statements need further investigation. Hence the warrant

[empty halo]

"While neither Hybe nor the FSS has confirmed details of the investigation, neither side has denied its existence -- a silence fueling speculation that formal legal proceedings may soon follow. "

• The Korea Herald
  Also an FSS official (acc to the korea times) started they can't and won't disclose any information on whether or not they're carrying out any investigations. Im not sure if this BSH investigation has actually RESUMED ngl, eventually it has to be though

[sage venture]

from what I hear, all the political and legal issues are tangled up in this case. even the ongoing presidential election is caught up in it

[empty halo]

in HYBE and bang si hyuks investigations yes definitely

[old cypress]

isn't it standard practice to make a thorough investigation even if you already had good evidence?

[short laurel]

Ooh ok. I should read article again i missed it

[short laurel]

Yea but for now he still has a chance to be out.

[copper jetty]

yeah. cause apparently the first request for warrant to prosecution was denied so they did more investigations and re applied. Idk if it's connections, and that's where the Kim and Chang connection is probably.

[short laurel]

Unless it directly points towards bsh i have a feeling that someone under him will be his scapegoat instead.

[copper jetty]

yeah. Someone's gonna get blamed. Who was the CEO back then again, before the IPO? It's not Bang is it?

[sage venture]

after the first article about BSH's IPO, apparently the search for evidence went on for half a year. And now they’re fast-tracking it to the prosecution. You be the judge of how confident they are in the evidence

[short laurel]

I hope they not somehow involve mhj as she was in hybe back then

[old cypress]

Bang was the ceo in 2021

[short laurel]

Even if they say something stupid just getting her involved by saying her name will put more on her already overly full plate

[copper jetty]

Hopefully they are confident cause they reinvestigated the case again when the 1st warrant was rejected.

[old cypress]

resigned and got replaced by park jiwon who got ejected following the njz drama and got replaced by lee jaesang

[sage venture]

it’s just a matter of time. Especially with the change in presidency, the prosecution can’t back down now They need to show off their investigation to make a good impression on the new administration

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/sihyuk-bang-pd-bts-gjirlfriend-gif-24460233

who the hell made him a plush

[copper jetty]

Also if the new government doesn't do this then the opposition will bite back on this too.

[short laurel]

There are ppl defending him. So what's surprising about it.

[empty halo]

how weird

[sage venture]

once again from what I hear, 1)the current head of the FSS (who some expect to join HYBE after his term) had been holding things back, but with his term ending alongside the presidential election, he no longer has influence 2)the leading presidential candidate’s main campaign pledge is to crack down hard on stock market manipulators. That’s why the police, the prosecution, and FSS are all in a frenzy right now

[old cypress]

hopefully the new govt states that kpop needs to be purged of its bad actors

[short laurel]

I doubt that one. They'll make some surface level changes n kpop will remain dark.

[sage venture]

either way, BSH is fucked Any stock market crime involving over 5 billion won automatically carries a prison sentence of at least five years, up to life imprisonment

[copper jetty]

The question here is who else helped him on this. It's hard for only one person to do this.
Also Hybe might lose that "Top Company" certificate the government issued them

[old cypress]

Lol they won't lose the top company status even if they became NK spies

[copper jetty]

I mean if they're convicted with insider trading and Bang's fraudulent transactions they just might.
Unless Hybe takes a deal, then yeah lmao

*x https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1928052473840750592

OH??? LIKE THAT SECURITY GUARD THEN?

[harsh dove]

@NJZBUBBLEGUM <t:1748518505:d>

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1928052473840750592

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM)

According to SBS News, which just came out exclusively, the executive in question was a high-ranking executive at a HYBE subsidiary and has recently resigned.

X · May 29, 2025, 11:35 AM

Resigned, Right...

[sage venture]

The'll lose because the former Minister of Employment and Labor is now a presidential candidate(on the losing side)

[copper jetty]

welp i guess we know who the scapegoat on the insider trading would be.
RIP Ahjussi.

[short laurel]

So it's bighit executive.

[old cypress]

The insider trading case is just someone who got greedy with insider info, there isn't any scapegoat to use

[short laurel]

It's a bigger deal if it's someone from bighit.

[old cypress]

It's just 1 person nonetheless and it's not BSH

[short laurel]

Bsh is involved in ipo fraud case.
This insider trading in bighit put more insult on hybe. So we take it.

[ashen charm]

That's why if he's convicted people need to put pressure on the court so he actually serves jail time most of the time they get away with it

[grizzled summit]

did the appeal date come out

[ashen charm]

Nope

[rugged dagger]

is the schedule still the same for the upcoming dates

[ashen charm]

njz yes mhj who knows

[rugged dagger]

boo

[steel depot]

Did the opposite--and then came karma

[short laurel]

https://x.com/PlusTeam2019/status/1927951225103822898

Plus Team - NJZ 엔제이지 Vietnam Fanpage (@PlusTeam2019)

A lucky 🇻🇳 nonfan who really into NJZ’s music just met the members in Australia recently. She also shared lots of encouraging and sweet words from V-Bunnies to the girls.
She got hugs and autographs from Minji, Hanni, Dani & Hyein. Haerin was in the bathroom so she missed her 😹

X · May 29, 2025, 4:52 AM

this post is sweet but what do they mean by nonfan

[upbeat stream]

A viet tokki said it means a young fan

[steel depot]

That's why that poor company has been so quiet these past few weeks serves him right

[hoary frost]

Cute and very good to hear them enjoying the trip

[hoary frost]

entertainment industry is corrupt everywhere so a very low chance kpop industry changes drastically. in asian culture also what is normalized is very long hours of studying/work with little break so that also is shown in the training system. so hard to get those types of things out

[subtle matrix]

Yeah unfortunately it runs way deeper than kpop. And even in kpop people tend to focus on the idols but all the support and creative staff is worked to the bone too

[copper jetty]

idk how credible this is but *x https://x.com/theletter_Y/status/1928052316587917597

Ylon Musk 📭 Y 😑 (@theletter_Y)

You couldn't make this up.......the Executive at Hybe who is under investigation for fraud and other criminal activities is only just one of Hybes trustworthy C suite Executives that was parachuted in to Ador after they kicked MHJ out and destroyed the company

X · May 29, 2025, 11:34 AM

[short laurel]

i asked a viet and they said it only means young fan if u really stretch it cuz non means young in viet. but they said using it this way is stupid.

[upbeat stream]

Well, considering she even gave them messages from other viet tokkis, being a non-fan doesn't make sense. That's why I was so confused just like you

[short laurel]

yea. that's what i said to my viet friend who kept saying it's just not a fan.

[old cypress]

oof

[craggy skiff]

This is a way to say she is not a fan

[short laurel]

Young fan makes more sense in this context

[craggy skiff]

But I appreciate that she still give them some cheer word.

[craggy skiff]

I'm a vietnamese and I read the original chat OP sent.
She said she don't see herself as a bunnies bcs she just a casual listener and not follow their fanpage(plus team is bigger njz fanpage in vietnam, they created since the first day) but still find the girl is cute

[graceful crypt]

i saw somewhere online that there’s a mass resignation of hybe executives happening after the BSH investigation? does anyone know if this is true?

[pulsar wasp]

How we doing y’all? Where can I catch up?

[short laurel]

ohk. thank you for explaining. but really their behaviour is like that of a fan.

[heady gate]

read this. https://x.com/luenacore/status/1928033935352857085?t=ltCJmqiKAS6p__sLkxLTKw&s=19

luna ୨ৎ (@luenacore)

The police have applied for a search and seizure warrant for HYBE and others in relationship to Bang Shi-Hyuk's fraudulent illicit transactions and are coordinating with prosecutors and the Financial Supervisory Service, which is conducting a parallel investigation.

Prosecutors

X · May 29, 2025, 10:21 AM

[craggy skiff]

It make me happy bcs no matter how hater try to bring them down, njz still get love from people

[short laurel]

especially nice to c Vietnam bnz. cuz they hate hanni sooo much online. and here we c viet happily meeting girls.

[pulsar wasp]

o wow that just happened

[heady gate]

It is the last 24 hours.

[pulsar wasp]

Incredible

[graceful crypt]

Does anyone know if hybe executives are resigning?

[heady gate]

1 person. We don't know who that was

Here is my speculation. I think the FSS is gathering as much evidence as possible before the Korean election ends on June 3. More development in coming days.

[hollow sorrel]

I read that Bang pd can go to jail for 5+ years if the amount exceeds 5 billion won.

I've seen the number 400 billion circulate around a lot though so I'm not too sure

[short laurel]

Minimum 5. Maximum life time.

[tawdry vessel]

hopefully its lifetime prison 🥰

[hollow sorrel]

He's already 52 so I'm fine with ~30 years in prison as well

[short laurel]

Nha. 82 year old still command companies n politics. Need 40 years

[heady gate]

Let's wait a few more days of development.

HYBE and BSH need a large team of lawyers. It is a big win for the law firm.

[stable escarp]

I think its only a small upstuck minority in vietnam cos when my mother went there, at every store, Hanni's albums were all sold out waiting for stock Then again im not too tapped into the online viet media

[polar owl]

Anecdotal, but I chatted with a Vietnamese restaurant owner in Lucerne last week —slipped in Hanni in the conversation 😊. To my surprise, he was aware of her, and spoke highly of her.

[waxen musk]

• May 30 – MHJ’s 2nd hearing against Source Music
  Bets on last minute delay?

[copper jetty]

This is already the rescheduled one right?

[waxen musk]

Yes, delayed on March 14.

[copper jetty]

Then my bet is they would go with it.
Hopefully.

https://tenor.com/view/hanni-newjeans-hanni-domain-expansion-hannijjk-hanni-jjk-gif-5889241517357909421

[lyric geyser]

Hmmm what is going on

Why is the Newjeans account on TikTok rebranded

Wait nvm it just resurfaced

[thorny knot]

i'm not saying they copied njz but surely i'm not the only one who hears it (listen to the melody)
https://youtu.be/vPfCmM89LH8?si=f0GZI3SJaODQe0I7

[heady gate]

This video should be in the #kpop-chat sub

[subtle matrix]

What song are you hearing? I can't really identify it tbh

[waxen musk]

I don't hear whatever they're hearing either.

The other day on Twitter I saw someone do another similar comparison for some upcoming song and an NJZ song. Reading the comments it genuinely surprised me some people don't understand what some older genres sound like, and seemingly had only heard this genre through one or two songs in their life. Made me laugh.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1928289139465593201

1tokki (@juantokki)

[English Translation]

🐷 HYBE Stock Manipulation Explained Super Simply (Even for Total Stock Market Beginners) 🐷

1. HYBE used to be called BigHit Entertainment. At first, BigHit was a private company—not publicly traded. That means it had shares, but those shares weren’t

X · May 30, 2025, 3:15 AM

[empty halo]

Everytime a group blows up other groups follow. Like how girl crush became the trend after blackpink or the love yourself concept after bts. Kpop companies like to follow what's trending and rn that's njz's easy listening airy sound. We cant call that copying bc thats just how the industry likes to function 😭 i feel like itd be better if tokkis got over this and stopped pointing out whatever they feel gives them njz vibes bc it's literally NEVER-ENDING

its just how it is

[hoary frost]

not sure what im supposed to be hearing either

this type of music is common in kpop since long time

[heady gate]

It is 2:30pm KST. Any more news?

[empty halo]

somewhat but njz definitely made it blow up

[hoary frost]

njz made chill music and concept in kpop more popular. but this type of sparkly music ive been hearing for a long time

[empty halo]

but it's not like people don't know who's responsible for this sound being popularised that people need to bring it up everytime it's used in kpop? Everyone knows who it was bro

[empty halo]

that's true, sparkly sounds have been used for a long time

gaming inspired music too. It was part of the larger Y2K revival

[hoary frost]

yea also ppl weaponize bnz saying this

tho some ppl genuinely act as if all these groups had this sort of concepts all of a sudden through no external influence

But well yeah thats just how trends work in kpop industry

[empty halo]

most people know that's not true lmao but yes I just feel like it's not necessary to drag njz's name everywhere

literally everyone and their moms were doing girl crush concepts doesn't mean blinks were on every comments section talking about how
"um this reminds me of blackpink 🤓 ☝️"

[hoary frost]

yeah also this song didn't really remind me of njz but more like loona and wjsn

[cinder narwhal]

.

[craggy skiff]

Any update about njz case?
Why tf this news come from? 💀

COURT BANNS NEWJEANS FROM ACTIVITIES SELF-EXCLUSIVELY, MUST PAY 1 BILLION WON FOR EACH VIOLATION

Summary of the Court's decision:

1. NewJeans (defendant) is prohibited from carrying out entertainment activities independently or jointly with a third party without the consent of HYBE (plaintiff), prior to the first instance judgment on the exclusive contract validity lawsuit. HYBE's remaining lawsuit is dismissed.

2. If there is a violation, NewJeans will have to pay 1 billion won to HYBE.

3. The plaintiff's remaining claims are dismissed.

4. NewJeans will have to pay the lawsuit filing fee.

[empty halo]

[craggy skiff]

https://theqoo.net/hot/3760904522?page=1

[empty halo]

Its coming from aespannjeans

[empty halo]

obviously bs

I don't think that's an article? Seems more like a post or something

[craggy skiff]

I just read the ibox article. Technical nothing new, it's from the the april court, just wonder why it suddenly posted months late

[storm warren]

Its coming from hybe to distract you from their fraudulence

the case number is not know and it was uploaded on hybe's gallery board

the intention is obvious

FYI usually this part about violation of verdict is included immediately, but it seems K&C dragged it out. After NJZ announced they are halting activities, K&C applied this to court to make adjustment and place a penalty fee for verdict violation

[sage venture]

since civil lawsuits don’t have enforcement power, these kinds of injunctions usually come with a request to impose a financial penalty if violated (remember MHJ's 1st injunction?) I don't know why but they didn’t include that the first time, but now they’ve added it Still, it’s meaningless at this point since NJZ has already halted their activities
I wonder why they would this now

[storm warren]

it is similar to HYBE having to pay 2B won or something to MHJ for not complying with injunction verdict and dismissing her

[empty halo]

MHJ vs soumu today right

[storm warren]

Yeah, NJZ halted activities after ComplexCon, K&C requested this immediately and the court added the paragraph in April as i saw

HYBE spread this today to mediaplay and shit attention to NJZ

[bronze talon]

Wait we still falling for theqoo media play after a whole year of media play?

[heady gate]

I am glad the girls are not in Korea seeing these trash posts.

[empty halo]

ngl it isn't working out bc after comeback announcements from multiple groups and people generally slightly getting over the hate train nobody rlly cares

[storm warren]

NJZ has been inactive and this does not change anything. Just making sure NJZ gets hated even more and losers will write nonsense like "pay then and do activities" without knowing shit

[empty halo]

the only people still engaging in anti njz activity are the people who are always gonna be there and engaging in it. The obsessed incel losers. Most people are over it

[storm warren]

of course, BSH and Executive C news barely had any comments

[sage venture]

Also, it seems HYBE requested something beyond just the 1 billion won penalty, but it was rejected and this injunction is only valid until the first trial verdict in the main lawsuit is issued So it won't be long

[craggy skiff]

What I wonder is whether this decision is considered complexcon is a violation or not

[storm warren]

I dont think that counts

[heady gate]

yea, that doesn't count

[storm warren]

it falls under grey area somewhat

booked event before verdict and this penalty fee was placed after

[sage venture]

there's no mention of retroactive application this one takes effect starting from yesterday

[storm warren]

lmfao its genuinely hilarious how they are making fuss about this

[empty halo]

ador staff took responsibility for it and were present there backstage so idts

[storm warren]

and how knetz are falling for it. why would njz pay 1b won per activity? main trial is a week away and appeal date will come out soon

[red thorn]

Huh is that the Pokemons battle result

[empty halo]

sorry but I kinda forgot the mhj vs soumu thing was soumu accusing mhj of defamation right?

[storm warren]

hybe seems impatient and wants to damage their image further before court hearings take place

[sage venture]

once again, this is completely meaningless And yet, the fact that it spread so quickly across communities..... well, what does that tell you? Anyone could’ve figured it out

[heady gate]

Any news of MHJ's case today? Plz don't tell me HYBE is blocking the information.

[storm warren]

it tells me that hybe cant get any more disgusting

[empty halo]

i truly don't think most knets or fans still pay attention to the njz legal issues. Its the obsessed incel losers who will follow the groups activities till the very end

[empty halo]

^^

[craggy skiff]

I dont know. In my opinion, it is even worse if ador take responsibility for this event. that mean ador can claim all profit from that event, even for pitstop

[heady gate]

true

[empty halo]

Absolutely they deserve 0 credit bc they did 0 work and had 0 involvement in it. From the costuming to the music to the hair, makeup, choreography, it was njz and their personal staff managing it directly

however it legally shields them from any issues for violating the injunction so it's a net positive. Besides complexcon seems to have sided w njz. Even after the results they still didn't call them newjeans so I think the monetary benifits went to njz members directly probably ahead of the concert

[craggy skiff]

still, we dont know what their contract signed

[sage venture]

as I’ve already said, this decision has nothing to do with the complexcon However, ADOR may have submitted the fact that complexcon happened as evidence to suggest the possibility of future independent activities

[empty halo]

njz and ador? Yes we don't know about that but I'm positive njz would never have gotten involved w complexcon independently if complexcon even paid a penny to ador

[empty halo]

if complexcon was a major issue/violation and not a grey area ador wouldn't have missed a heartbeat and bought it up already so I don't think it was a big deal

and im positive ador did not profit from the entire event at all

[heady gate]

Their ComplexCon performance isn't a major issue; it was a gray area due to short notice. Releasing IPO stock without informing investors is a major issue.

[sage venture]

it just shows how desperate the situation really is Once the presidential election ends on June 3rd, everything will likely start coming out It'll be fun

[cinder narwhal]

any new news? aside from recent bang stuff

last i checked was 3 weeks ago

[heady gate]

May 30 – MHJ’s 2nd hearing against Source Music. No update yet

[graceful crypt]

Can someone remind me what her hearing against source music is for? Is it for plagiarism?

[frank musk]

Oh new news

[hushed whale]

pretty sure only defamation

[frank musk]

The court ruled that if NewJeans members engage in independent (non-ADOR-approved) activities, they will be required to pay ₩1 billion (about $725,000) per member to ADOR as compensation.

This decision comes after ADOR's request for "indirect compulsory execution" was approved - a type of penalty set if a party fails to follow a court order. If all five members proceed with solo activities together, the total penalty would amount to ₩5 billion (about $3.6 million).

Without an agreement between NewJeans and ADOR, the group's entertainment activities remain effectively blocked. Their next court hearing is scheduled for June 5.

[cinder narwhal]

is this retroactive? assuming this came out today will it apply to complexcon?

[frank musk]

it came out today

https://www.mk.co.kr/en/society/11331092?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[hushed whale]

complexcon doesnt count i think, the court granted that yesterday so only applies to violations committed after

[heady gate]

The funny part is, this news released after the BSH and HYBE cases.

[wary creek]

i wonder if njz legal team expected this or not when they went forward with njz instagram and complexcon

[hollow sorrel]

This is a public update from the court. But we already knew all of this they just posted the exact details (like the penalty they would have to pay etc.)

[cinder narwhal]

a legal team not knowing injunctions and penalties is a shit team

[wary creek]

maybe they went forward anyway with the mentality of "it's better to ask for forgiveness than permission"

[hollow sorrel]

“This decision was made by the original court handling the injunction as a follow-up measure in accordance with the injunction ruling.

It is not new information. The injunction case is currently under appeal, and the main lawsuit is also ongoing.

Until then, it is right to suspend activities. The court’s decision must be respected. Only then can a good outcome be achieved in the ongoing case.”

[heady gate]

true, the girls are safe. Everything is fine.

[frank musk]

looks like this will never end though

[hollow sorrel]

Also keep in mind that they are only banned from commercial activities

[frank musk]

ohhhh ok

[hollow sorrel]

• Participating in music shows (live or pre-recorded)
• Performing at concerts, festivals, showcases, or fan meetings
• Attending award shows, fashion shows, or commercial public events
• Appearing on television programs (variety shows, dramas, reality shows, talk shows)
• Participating in radio broadcasts
• Guest appearances on YouTube channels, web variety content, and OTT platforms
• Signing or filming advertisements (CFs), endorsements, or promotional campaigns
• Participating in modeling or photo shoots for commercial purposes
• Promoting products or brands via social media or public platforms
• Recording or releasing songs, albums, or music videos
• Participating in song production, choreography shoots, or promotional content
• Engaging in collaboration or featuring on other artists’ works
• Operating official social media, YouTube, or fan communication platforms for promotional purposes
• Livestreaming or interacting with fans in ways that have commercial implications
• Entering or negotiating new management, distribution, advertising, or creative contracts with third parties outside of ADOR

(a list from juantokki)

[frank musk]

so they cant make music

[heady gate]

BSH earned 400 Billion won, he has a bigger problem than the girls

[hollow sorrel]

They can make music, they just can't release it, because that would count as a commercial activity

[frank musk]

oh yeah BSH has a investigation happening about him over stock fraud

[buoyant hamlet]

knicks in 7!

[frank musk]

yeah fr

[split shoal]

fr

what activities can njz do that aren’t commercial? legally tho

[heady gate]

Write a book

[hollow sorrel]

They can technically make music and wait for the injunction to be lifted and release it after.
They rebranded their instagram "NJZ" to "mhdhh_friends" so they can post things

[split shoal]

oh ok, so we shouldn’t have to worry that much

[heady gate]

no worry

[split shoal]

so the girls will be okay, right?

[hollow sorrel]

you shouldn't worry because the girls knew this since 03.21 that's why they are on a hiatus right now

a lot of haters don't understand the nature of the injunction at all. I've seen some dumb people say for example: Danielle meeting with fans or the girls going to birthday cafes is a violation of the injunction but that's simply not true since no money was made (therefore it wasn't commercial)

[heady gate]

They are fine, that is why they are vacationing in Australia. I know HYBE executives are not vacationing now. 😅

[frank musk]

fr especially with their allegations cases

[split shoal]

yup that’s for sure

[split shoal]

ikr

[novel fiber]

guys im shaking 😭

[hollow sorrel]

also people are saying that they will have to pay compensation for ComplexCon but that is not true.

"indirect compulsory execution" was approved yesterday and it takes effect after that date, not from 03.21

[split shoal]

oh yea, so thankfully they won’t have to pay for that, but fuck these hybe stans

[novel fiber]

Kor courts corrupt whole system is nepotism and chaebols up and down its so frustrating that our girls have to go through this there is no justice

[rain spade]

Hybe/ador so petty

[heady gate]

We know Korean judges avoid opposing those in power.

[frank musk]

exactly

[split shoal]

exactly as said

[strange venture]

things are not looking good for our girls

[knotty valve]

How come?

[strange venture]

everything is against them rn
hopefully the there will be some good news on june 5

[novel fiber]

its sad that hybe media play machine propaganda keeps working on kor public

[pulsar wasp]

so NJZ has to pay all the legal feels “so far”? or only if they have an infraction (₩1bn/each)?

[hollow sorrel]

not sure what you mean

In south korea if you lose a court case you typically have to pay part of the legal costs of the winning party, but not all of them

So far the only "fee" they had to pay was when they lost the injunction against ADOR, but only a part (not their entire lawyer bills)

[pulsar wasp]

gotcha gotcha

[empty halo]

do we think the appeal result might come out after the election

[frank musk]

Prob

[waxen musk]

This is a whole lot of nothing since NJZ has done nothing to cause any fees to be paid. People (on both sides) are freaking out for no reason.

Anyway why is it so quiet about MHJ vs Souce?

[copper jetty]

I was gonna ask about this. NJZ news is like old news... we know that's why they went on hiatus. Meanwhile the case today is totally quiet.

[waxen musk]

Just saw this: https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1928374800805982665

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

The report of today’s hearing about Source Music vs MHJ was biased. The journalist tried to edited the order of conversation, isolated the intents and partially repeated the claim of Source while ignoring MHJ’s to fake the delusion that Source is justice yet MHJ is lunatic.

X · May 30, 2025, 8:55 AM

Maybe the stuff is just now coming out. https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1928375002321051827

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982)

I shall analyze it later.

X · May 30, 2025, 8:56 AM

[copper jetty]

What report?

[hollow sorrel]

News reports probably

[waxen musk]

I'm sure you can find stuff on Naver and Google Translate it, but it's best to wait a little bit for people to properly translate. Won't take long, hopefully.

[cinder narwhal]

atp i dont even care about mhj anymore just the girls

hope they succeed

[waxen musk]

I definitely care about things the girls still care about. Plus it's just super interesting to see if anything related to how NJZ were treated comes out of the talks surrounding Source and Belift.

[old cypress]

I thought something happened but it's just the court decision related to the objection of the injunction

[hollow sorrel]

Next hearing is on June 27 I think

[old cypress]

still no date so far

[cinder verge]

can smb explain what hase been happening in the legal world recently? Im sorry Ive been really disconnected and busy recently. Also, what is the upcoming schedule in the njz vs hybe world that I should be looking to? Is there something I can read that isnt overly extensive?

[old cypress]

pretty much nothing since the injuction

as for the schedule you can check pinned

[waxen musk]

Is this injunction fine only applicable since yesterday? If so, any worries about previous potential violations--that haters say are things like Dani's Church "fansigning" (which aren't violations anyway)--shouldn't matter.

[rain spade]

How is fansigning in church a eventt

[cinder verge]

what injunction fine?

[waxen musk]

I read the quick Google Translate of the MHJ vs Souce update and yet again it sounds like a whole lot of nothing.

June 27 it is. I'll update schedule AGAIN.

[old cypress]

I think it's applicable from the injunction ruling (so april)

[waxen musk]

A lot of the most recent/relevant stuff you can quickly read just scroll up a bit. But so much more is happening over the next week and more, it's best just to wait and focus on that. Previous stuff doesn't really matter. All you need to know about is the injunction preventing NJZ from doing activities, which I'm sure you can see is already happening. We're just waiting fro an appeal for that, and the main lawsuit court hearing next week. Don't worry about the rest.

[old cypress]

njz will get fined 1B won each everytime they do idol work without ador's approval

[waxen musk]

Which they haven't been doing/aren't going to do.

[old cypress]

yeah so basically nothing happened

[hoary frost]

something new?

[cinder verge]

thanks guys. but what classifies as "idol work"?

[waxen musk]

I told you to scroll up: #1231839760759263232 message

[old cypress]

yeah scrolling up a little bit does wonders here

[hollow sorrel]

Yes

[waxen musk]

Yeah I'm seeing others confirm it only applies since yesterday. So LITERALLY nothing to worry about. Plus it will only last until appeal is granted.

[old cypress]

do you have any source confirming this?

[hollow sorrel]

yeah the timing is a bit unlucky for us since HYBE stans are already planning to use this as a gotcha moment when it literally means nothing

[waxen musk]

I'm holding a lot of trust in various Twitter accounts tbh. I need to read the actual report myself.

[waxen musk]

Why is the timing unlucky for us? It's just conveniently coming out around all this BSH/Hybe fraud news...

[hollow sorrel]

yeah, also at the end of the day at worst NJZ is paying money, but Bang Si Hyuk is risking life in prison so you can tell which one is more severe

[old cypress]

it's 700k usd per member tho

[waxen musk]

Anyway I'm not that confident myself about knowing it applies since yesterday, but lots of other people seem to be confident. I can't be so sure. EITHER WAY, no fines will be applied.

[hollow sorrel]

https://www.lawtimes.co.kr/news/206790?utm_source=chatgpt.com

this is from chatgpt though maybe you can search for better ones

[old cypress]

It's hard to tell without a lawyer confirming since you need to know the korean legal system. In either case they suspended activities since complexcon so nothing changes

[hollow sorrel]

from here this is basically the focus:
"Since an indirect enforcement decision has the characteristic of becoming an independent monetary claim enforcement right only after liquidation"

liquidation in this case refers to "non-compliant behaviour" but only after 05.29 so they would only have pay a penalty after 05.29 and not since 03.21

[old cypress]

Yeah I get the logic and it make sense to me, I'm just not fully convinced yet

[short laurel]

Basically girls are not allowed to pursue their career they trained their whole teenage years until settlement is reached.
Human rights ???

[hollow sorrel]

an appeal is still underway
we know the legal teams of both parties and now people can see that they are submitting documents so I'm guessing the hearing is early June

[arctic egret]

they prolly cant have ig accounts right

[waxen musk]

They can. Just nothing commercial.

[arctic egret]

ohh ok

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1928386656618647588?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

1tokki (@juantokki)

"Important Evidence" – Sharp Court Battle Between Min Hee-jin and Source Music Over KakaoTalk Messages
https://t.co/nWAw4JXsdn
By Yoon Sang-geun, Star News | Seoul Western District Court

On the 30th, the 12th Civil Division of the Seoul Western District Court held the second

X · May 30, 2025, 9:43 AM

[waxen musk]

Ah ok translation for the one I read.

[arctic egret]

so basically nothing related to newjeans at all?

[waxen musk]

Correct.

[arctic egret]

only like food pics or something

[hollow sorrel]

yeah they can't brand themselves or promote any products

[arctic egret]

damn ok 😔

[waxen musk]

They've been using their group IG since the injunction every now and then. So things like they've been posting is fine.
This is old news from March.

[arctic egret]

oh rlly i guess ive been a bit behind on the news

when do yall think the hiatus gonna last, just like a vauge guess? a year or two?

[waxen musk]

They're waiting for the injunction appeal process, so hopefully a few months if that is granted. Otherwise yeah wait for main trail which will take a lot longer.

[hollow sorrel]

best case scenario: months to a year max
I seriously doubt it will last multiple years like a lot of people say on here, but at the end of the day who knows

[arctic egret]

we can only survive on pure hopium atp... 😔

[waxen musk]

Nobody knows. Not even the appeal process I fully understand how long will take.

Nah there's good reason to have a lot of hope. Basically I feel like nothing has really happened in the courts yet other than a temporary forced hiatus through injunction. Everything else that's been happening hasn't actually caused anything else to change yet.

[grizzled summit]

WHAT'S THE NEWS ABT OMG

[arctic egret]

[waxen musk]

So this now month-long delay until next hearing is just so MHJ's side and the court can find out if the evidence Source wants to present was illegally obtained, which will make it inadmissible as evidence. That's all that happened today lol, a quick discussion over that, it seems.

[short laurel]

How can source say mhj's private kkt was taken with consent

[hollow sorrel]

it is the first hearing and usually at the first hearing they just like quickly go over the issue and decide if it should be made a full trial

[waxen musk]

Yeah and this was delayed from March. I listed this as 2nd hearing in my schedule. I can't even remember what was quickly discussed in the first.

[hollow sorrel]

didn't HYBE want to use similar evidence last May during MHJ's first injunction, but ultimately it was all denied by the court. Chances are it will be denied during this case as well

[short laurel]

Yea

[arctic egret]

im kinda confused about the whole situation too, what did mhj do again and was it good or bad i keep seeing both opinions

some people blame her while others blame hybe

[short laurel]

Tldr She spoke bad in her private kkt while hybe spoke bad in public n leaked mhj's private kkt.

Apparently back biching is a crime according to ministry of labour but idols getting harrassed isn't cuz they are not employees.

[waxen musk]

Their excuse is because it's already public.
So Hybe's strategy is: illegally obtain something -> make it public -> claim to courts it's "public knowledge" to defend it's application as evidence.

[short laurel]

I swear if court approved of it. then Korea legal system is not justice system by mafia

[waxen musk]

Anyway, I wonder if even approved if it will do anything for the case like Source seems to think it will.
I need to reread these "public evidence". Haven't seen them for a long time I forgot what they even were.

[arctic egret]

how bout the illit thing why people hating on illit 😭

[old cypress]

what illit thing?

[waxen musk]

I think they're a year behind It's ok we can explain, it's just very old news now.

[short laurel]

Illit are innocent. It's bethief that keep putting illit in front n crying like victims in everything

[arctic egret]

yeah uhhh i never rlly kept up with the drama i just like newjeans music

[hollow sorrel]

its so funny that they sue someone for defamation for 360k usd and their only evidence is KKT chats

[old cypress]

oh then people hating on illit are just kpop fans being kpop fans

[arctic egret]

srsly??

[short laurel]

Remember they sued cuz lsfm were sad or something according to somu. The company who shown to nvr care about idols emotions

[hollow sorrel]

yaaa they sued for defamation because they claim that during Mhj’s press conference she lied about the debut of NewJeans and LSF’s timeline which is so dumb like this can easily be traced back

[old cypress]

they sued mhj to put pressure her and try to break her

[short laurel]

Slaap is whats going on cuz she got soo many lawsuit from hybe n hybe's puppets

[waxen musk]

Hybe needs a good SLAPP

[short laurel]

Hybe will get a good slapp if intl artists stop settling with hybe n working on future projects n instead sue hybe enough to give up all rights on the things hybe so openly plagiarised.

Like seriously the things hybe plagiarised. Artists settled for money n started doing more projects with the company who stole their work.

[old cypress]

if hybe pays them they'll just take the money

[short laurel]

I get the money part but to work with hybe after all that.

[old cypress]

money is money, can't really be helped

[waxen musk]

Eh Hybe's not that special lol. Artists work with the worst of the worst all the time, wether intentional or not.

[old cypress]

plus if you like the group like lsfm you don't wanna miss the opportunity to work with them

[short laurel]

Even after that worst company plagiarised their work?

[old cypress]

didn't mhj imply that hybe settled these issues behind the doors?

prob paid them well

[hollow sorrel]

they probably settled outside of court yeah, not sure if a smaller artist could pay the legal fees for months and for HYBE it would be bad publicity so it's worth for both of them to settle

[short laurel]

Mhj didn't imply that. It's hybe n the artists whose work got stolen who implied it

I m not talking about settlement. I m talking about working with hybe for future projects.

[old cypress]

from the email

[short laurel]

Ooh that one.
I was talking about enhypen case where they plagiarised fonts n after settling with the artists behind the scene they worked together in future projects. It doesn't sit well with me.

[grizzled summit]

you guys whys the news saying each member has a 1 b won penalty

[short laurel]

If they go against injunction ruling which they didn't.

[craggy skiff]

no need to give a f. their already hiatus

[grizzled summit]

so WHATS IT ABOUT

[short laurel]

It's normal for injunction ruling to include fines in case parties involved go against the ruling.

[grizzled summit]

so it doesnt include the days from complexcon and stuff right

its just into effect from yesterday and isnt the appeal still underway

[short laurel]

Yea. N Appeal is to challenge injunction ruling.

[copper jetty]

Although quick question... we know since Ador won the injunction on the ban that they would stipulate a fine but why is it only approved yesterday?

Was it because of the last minute change of scope that Ador did?

[waxen musk]

I don't really understand why either. Ador also requested for 2 billion fines but it ended up being 1 billion.

[short laurel]

Idk but seeing what all are banned i once again think it should be human right violation

[copper jetty]

I think I found the answer to my question. It might be this.

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1928357494537007180?t=l9u_HwTcBSoDEAfW2Jq86g&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki)

250530 Atty. Lee Hyun-gon Facebook post

이 결정은 기존의 1심 가처분 재판부에서 가처분에 따른 후속조치로 내린 결정이다.

새로운 내용은 아니다. 현재 가처분 사건은 항고심에 계류 중에 있고, 본안소송도 진행 중이다.

그 때까지는 활동을 중지하는 것이 맞다. 법원의 ...

X · May 30, 2025, 7:47 AM

[waxen musk]

Sounds like it is just part of the process of how the court ruling goes. Very convenient of that part of the ruling to go into effect yesterday though.

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/AboutMusicYT/status/1928345815023554975 why is this posted now when its old..?

About Music (@AboutMusicYT)

The court ruled that NewJeans cannot engage in independent activities without ADOR's consent until the lawsuit ends. The group is required to cover all legal fees, including ADOR's.

Any violations will cost 1 billion won each.

X · May 30, 2025, 7:00 AM

[copper jetty]

Because it was just approved yesterday

@waxen musk here you go.

*x https://x.com/juantokki/status/1928386656618647588?t=CFU3VL6oUwbAFq7ILNao6w&s=19

1tokki (@juantokki)

"Important Evidence" – Sharp Court Battle Between Min Hee-jin and Source Music Over KakaoTalk Messages
https://t.co/nWAw4JXsdn
By Yoon Sang-geun, Star News | Seoul Western District Court

On the 30th, the 12th Civil Division of the Seoul Western District Court held the second

X · May 30, 2025, 9:43 AM

[short laurel]

Cuz it covers up hybe's 2 news that came out yesterday. Which are much worse than this but ppl in kpop circle care about this more than hybe's illegal activities

[hoary frost]

Oh ok

[copper jetty]

But we all know this already. It was just a follow up regarding the injunction win. Idk why the penalty result was late, I'm guessing it might have something to do with Ador's last minute change of scope

[short laurel]

Yea they approved yesterday but timing of it is very convenient like every other time hybe's scandal comes up. So i m very sure it's one of the things they saved to cover up hybe's news. Remember political influence

[copper jetty]

I mean I don't doubt that Hybe has extensive influence especially with previous politicians and judges... we just don't have any evidence for this one.

[short laurel]

Yea we have no evidence on this but this pattern. It's too much to dismiss it as another coincidence

[hoary frost]

what happened?

[short laurel]

Scroll up

[subtle matrix]

Idk why the penalty result was late

Maybe judge requested financials to set the fine? idk

[grizzled summit]

so what will happen if the appeal gets denied

[subtle matrix]

Have to wait for the result of the lawsuit

[copper jetty]

Ohh I didn't think of that. Thanks lou

[subtle matrix]

Don't take my word I am 100% speculating lol

[hoary frost]

new ador director resigned?

[subtle matrix]

Just thinking why it would take so long to do this

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1928294569143132303 hmm

pannchoa (@pannchoa)

SM reportedly partnered up with Tencent Music Entertainment to make a new idol group in China
https://t.co/aaF3I22Ak5

X · May 30, 2025, 3:37 AM

https://x.com/villain_gato/status/1928052706658181413

악당고양이 (@villain_gato)

뉴스 보도를 보니 방돼지 최측근 이경준이 퇴사한거 같음. 이경준은 짭도어 사내이사이기도 함

X · May 29, 2025, 11:36 AM

[waxen musk]

Some news articles on the injunction fees fail to mention some things.
This one says that the fees will be as high as they are because NJZ have already been violating the injunction, so they think there could be further violations in the future. This includes the ComplexCon performance. However they also say because of everything since November until February, so I don't see how that counts (it was before the injunction).
Anyway here's the source a Hybe stan/NJZ hater shared that says all this: https://v.daum.net/v/20250530153047835 (Chosun Biz)

At least even this person says there won't be retroactive fines, so nothing to worry about.

I just didn't know that courts said the ComplexCon performance was a violation. It's not specific enough, it just said "the actual court focused on the following reasons" in Google Translate.
Of course I don't know if this is due to bad Google Translation, maybe the courts said this is what Ador said.

The other articles I've read (and ones linked to from 1tokki for example) did not even include any of this.

[subtle matrix]

idk how ComplexCon can be a violation when ador themselves said they were sending staff to support them

[waxen musk]

Saw someone else say this (translated from https://x.com/NekoNekoo1212/status/1928409100016083010):

This indirect enforcement decision does not clearly state that there was an actual violation. It is true that NJZ's participation in the Hong Kong ComplexCon is evidence of a possible violation, and it seems to mean that a fine will be imposed if a similar incident occurs.

Please note that indirect enforcement will automatically lose its effect if the decision to grant an injunction is overturned in this appeal.

[subtle matrix]

If they're sending staff they are legitimizing the participation

ig NJZ probably received the fees from the org which would make it independent work

[short laurel]

Salt door

[waxen musk]

People are just seeing "court orders 1 billion KRW (approximately $730,000) penalty per violation" and thinking it's over for NJZ.
I'm getting bored of waiting for things to be proven out instead of haters celebrating NJZ's losses without understanding that nothing has actually happened.

But it's really testing me, not trying to correct every single person who thinks it's over for them.

I probably sound like a crazy person when I'm constantly saying "BUT THE APPEAL COULD CHANGE THINGS IN A FEW MONTHS". But it's true...

[rain spade]

fine is basically nothing

[waxen musk]

Yeah basically nothing happened today -- but it sure doesn't feel like it with how much noise is around everything going on right now.

[onyx hearth]

Whetether mhj is problematic or not I do not gaf about her and I don’t think she guided the girls correctly out of the situation. People hating on newjeans and saying they need to be black listed need to STFU why are they all care so much about what is going on like omg yall expect them to be perfect that’s why most idols don’t even express themselves bc of how weird they are no one would be doing this to a western artist like jeez☠️☠️☠️

[short laurel]

U know bunnies should keep bringing up bsh fraud n bighit executive insider trading on these haters posts again n again. Look how they are avoiding the bigger fraud hybe did but latching on njz.

[tall plover]

It’s being brought up now because Hybe always is obsessed with media play and bot farming

[waxen musk]

It's fucking ridiculous. I'm still in denial that some of these people I sometimes speak to are literally Hybe stans and NJZ haters--because they do focus on K-pop as a whole and keep up to date with everything and aren't particularly the biggest fans of Hybe group's music--but at the same time they just completely ignore the Hybe/BSH shit going on right now and love to talk about the NJZ shit even though I tell them it's nothing. Like how can you then believe that K-pop stans who behave like this aren't just haters, etc. It's really hard for me to believe.

[short laurel]

No one is perfect. Mhj may not have guided girls right in this situation. But what good she gave to girls is 100000 times more than what anyone in kpop does for idols.

[short laurel]

It's brought up every time then it dies down.

[waxen musk]

Anyway like I said nothing happened today, need to get away from this for 6 days because people just behave in the worst ways when NOTHING IS HAPPENING.

[tall plover]

NJZ became the most popular group of the 2020s with critical acclaim, a lot of KPop fans aren’t going to like that since they see their groups as competitions and also probably lament the trends started by other corporations copying MHJ.

[old cypress]

it's not nothing. Money is like HP for njz. If they have no money they cannot keep going with the lawsuits

[tall plover]

I don’t think they’re paying the fine either it’s just incase they violate it again lol

[old cypress]

yep

[onyx hearth]

“Mhj groomed njz” i never got this NEWJEANS are old enough to know what’s right and wrong and if that’s the way they want to leave hybe so be it 💀 I don’t think they’re affecting anyone

[short laurel]

I rather believe bsh groomed idols to stay silent than mhj grooming anyone.

[tall plover]

https://tenor.com/view/acidangelasia-bang-pd-bang-sihyuk-walking-la-gif-1885830436389507660

[old cypress]

they're contractually not allowed to speak up

[onyx hearth]

Like yall need to stop treating newjeans like they’re stupid

[tall plover]

#allihavetosay

[short laurel]

If complex com is violation or not is not confirmed yet anyways. As ador did consent to it.

[rain spade]

I meant it as, they're not gonna break any of those, and they haven't since complexcon. is not like they're going tto break those anyways. so i'm confidentt 👌

[short laurel]

Not even hinting.

[onyx hearth]

Yea mhj is problematic but what other choice do they have🫩

[old cypress]

again, not allowed to hint either

[short laurel]

That's fked up n should be against human rights

[old cypress]

they cannot harm their company's reputation and that covers a lot of things

[short laurel]

Even if company so openly keep harming them.

[old cypress]

yes it's why many idols stay silent while being mistreated

[onyx hearth]

That’s what I’m saying and way too many people idolize over them and have a fantasy in their head like their perfect one mistake and they sh1talk 😐

[short laurel]

That's why it's messed up n should be against human rights

[waxen musk]

MHDHH statement: https://m.entertain.naver.com/home/article/241/0003441451
(I should read this before posting it lol)

Well they didn't say anything we weren't already discussing. Nothing to see here lol.

[old cypress]

whole thing is a nothingburger

[hushed whale]

[elfin pewter]

these coporates are scary
as human, we put our emotion first. but in the end, it's very clear we are no match for these business models and the higer powers.
Still, the girls are so brave.

[waxen musk]

I'll just post what they said here for convenience:

On the 30th, New Jeans stated in an official statement, “The indirect enforcement decision today is a court decision regarding the indirect enforcement case that Adore filed on April 4th in addition to the original injunction decision (injunction banning independent activities) on March 21st. It is not related to the case that is currently underway due to the immediate appeal of the original injunction decision.” They continued, “The indirect enforcement decision today is temporary until the injunction appeal case is decided.” They continued, “If the New Jeans members win the injunction appeal case, both the indirect enforcement decision and the indirect enforcement decision will lose their effect. In practice, when an injunction decision is made, an indirect enforcement decision is often made along with it.”

If appeal doesn't start in June... I swear

[empty halo]

lying about something as serious as grooming is absolutely disgusting. I dont care very deeply about mhj but to use literal child abuse to call the members victims and mhj the perpetrator for your stupid fucking kpop stan wars is degenerate behaviour

[waxen musk]

Only the part about 2 billion being rejected and settling on 1 billion.

[hoary frost]

Is sad seeing all the HYBE groups moving on and making comebacks and promotions while njz is stuck :c

and now BTS is returning in a couple of weeks too

[waxen musk]

Nah I'm happy because they're travelling and sticking together. It's weird I'm happy, but really as long as they're not doing things they really don't want to do, I'm more satisfied with the situation than I ever expected to be.

[old cypress]

another way to see things is hybe groups are being overworked and njz is chilling and vacationing

[hoary frost]

i don't think is overworking if they actually love and like what they are doing

[empty halo]

lots of groups have hiatuses i mean look at bp 😭 its okay I think

[old cypress]

plenty of idols crashing and sustaining lifelong injuries due to overwork

[empty halo]

you can be overworked with a job u like too tho....?

[hoary frost]

yes but that's very late in their careers. Njz was just starting

[hoary frost]

is it overworking if the member's themselves say that they want a comeback already? I mean self overwork is a thing too so ig (?

[old cypress]

of course it's better if they are able to work but it's not the end of the world either, it's just a delay

having a cb every 5 months and touring every year is not a lifegoal

[hoary frost]

like the fromis_9 girlies said multiple times that they wanted to do a comeback every 3 months but that hybe wouldn't let them 💀

[empty halo]

Its not been years or anything, barely even a few months since they went completely offline on instagram. They're still very relevant in the industry. I feel like their career is gonna be okay

[short laurel]

Kpop idols visibly look exhausted with all the concerts n tours. Many even visibly injured.

[hoary frost]

maybe internationally because koreans have been switching up everytime a court ruling comes out lol

[empty halo]

they say those things and wanna do so many comebacks bc it's the norm in the industry and obviously as everyone knows many norms in the industry can be toxic and bad. Its still overworking

[old cypress]

no even koreans are with njz

[waxen musk]

They're not even "completely offline" and we've basically had an update from them (or people seeing them) every single week this year.
Their music is still extremely popular.
Their ads are seen all over the world.
It feels like a "normal" break between releases, just... a bit extended lol

[short laurel]

Koreans also forget about the issue if celebs comeback after few years break

[empty halo]

yeah and it's not even about the lawsuit as much as it is the injunction preventing them from doing activities. If they win the injunction appeal im pretty sure they can easily continue w social media activity lmao

[empty halo]

THIS. HAPPENS EVERY TIME. From small controversies to massive ones, they always move on

[old cypress]

if they win the appeal they'll debut as njz the following day

[waxen musk]

They can do social media right now lol, as you've been seeing.
And yes they'll be able to act as they like as NJZ when the appeal is granted.

[empty halo]

their careers gonna be just fine lmao

[short laurel]

Even if crime is Huge. The only thing they not move on is on drugs issue.

[hoary frost]

they actually forget about the idols when they have years break. That's why most male idols are afraid of going to the military service because they can lose a lot of fans

[short laurel]

But when they come back n release hits ppl come back.

[old cypress]

it's not right to say they move on, plenty of idols are forced to quit after a scandal

they try coming back but it's a flop and it's the end of their career

[empty halo]

if it's drugs yes

[hoary frost]

it doesn't matter if they are hits or not. To be a hit it needs to chart in the top 20 at least. And a lot of the current fans move on to another group, in korea it is like that. Unless you are like a phenomenon group like BTS or Blackpink

[empty halo]

contract disputes usually no

[short laurel]

Newjeans are a phenomenon.

[empty halo]

pit stop had 1 million views on a low quality ig stream and was the top trending search term on korean social media

[hoary frost]

im talking about one in a 15 yrs groups. Like BTS or Blackpink. Njz was spectacular at their start but again, all these controversies and all the waiting and the court rulings and all that will damage their comeback so hard

NJZ is big but they aren't BTS or BLACKPINK big

[empty halo]

actually I do think alot of it has to do w the quality of the redebut. If they get their producers back and make music that's genuinely great like their old music, they will ABSOLUTELY chart 0 doubt

people just really loved their music

[short laurel]

It will damage them for u if j believe so.
Cb after long Break does lower numbers but if there are dedicated fans to them they still hit. It's about perspective.
They might not be million hitter but couple thousand is still decent n if they can do 100k or 200k in sales that is good numbers.

[hoary frost]

and with girlgroups is very different. In korea ggs usually only get their peak for around 4/5 years or so. Is very different from a boygroup where the fandom stays strong for longer

[empty halo]

a huge chunk of the njz listeners are casual listeners and if they like the redebut then its gonna be succesful

[short laurel]

N njz got big following intl. Dedicated fanbase n casual listeners don't really care about groups age

[subtle matrix]

There are definitely idols being overworked and there are definitely idols who want to be doing it regardless of what the labels tell them to do

[empty halo]

there's also a spectacle to it, njz comes back after a major controversy. People are gonna wanna check out what they're cooking. This controversy has gotten them attention too

[hoary frost]

idk.. i feel like this whole thing will damage their popularity (it already is).. you don't see their songs charting anymore when in the past it was everywhere. Their comeback will probably be successful but not as much as how it was

[empty halo]

they haven't released anything what the hell is gonna chart 😭

[short laurel]

Their songs still charting well despite being not new songs.

[hoary frost]

but i mean like, even when they already finished their promotions their songs would chart like hypeboy

[empty halo]

i think attention recently charted and was the only song from before 2024 charting

[hoary frost]

in the top 20. It was like a thing for the first years

[short laurel]

Do u know njz just won an award in japanese award show for ditto.

[waxen musk]

I'm just wondering if they haven't been forgotten about yet, when will they, if ever?

[short laurel]

Hybe media play will nvr allow ppl to forget them.

[hoary frost]

now? Wasn't that when they released the song?

[short laurel]

Award show that happened recently.

[hoary frost]

link it. I haven't seen that

[waxen musk]

few days ago

[rain spade]

free promo 🤣

[short laurel]

That song won many awards.

[subtle matrix]

Public opinion swings wildly, impossible to know what will happen months or years from now. But even in a worst case scenario they're still going to be extremely popular

[waxen musk]

#news on 21st

[short laurel]

#news message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

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Congratulation to NewJeans for winning the Best K-Pop Song in Japan 'DITTO' at the MUSIC AWARDS JAPAN 2025
[Jump to message](#news message)

[empty halo]

btw aespa debuted 5 years ago in 2020 and it seems like theyve started truly peaking worldwide from drama. Their next 2-3 comebacks at minimum are gonna be hits if it continues the same quality (we don't know what'll happen after that but if they keep delivering high quality content then what's stopping them?) are we gonna call aespa an exception alongside bts and bp too then?

despite the controversies i fully believe if they keep dropping high quality music people will listen

[short laurel]

Also we not have to compete on this. I think it's already very good if an artists can sell 200k albums. Even if girls popularity drops, these numbers will be easy for them. N girls already said they not care about it much, they just wanna do what they love.

[subtle matrix]

I doubt you'll ever see a newjeans/njz release sell under triple platinum

[empty halo]

they will easily be gaining a stable amount of streams even if they're not on top of the game lmao

[short laurel]

Exactly

[hoary frost]

i mean aespa didn't have controversies. Till now with the whole Karina fiasco

[empty halo]

Goes down to the quality of the music and direction too, they're obviously hell bent on working w their old producers and team. Its the members + the team they work w that made NewJeans this insane phenomenon. If they have that, nothings stopping NJZ either.

[short laurel]

But haters will say "ooh girls not gaining as much as they used too, flop" n bnz will take it to heart. That's why i m keep mentioning that 200k is really good amount too. N i m sure girls will easily reach 1m everytime.

[empty halo]

You mentioned that ggs lose the appeal they had 4-5 years into their career. You didn't really mention controversies. So just the statement that ggs lose momentum after 4-5 years is wrong?

[hoary frost]

I doubt njz will be at the top anymore but as long as they release music and content i will be happy

[subtle matrix]

Even groups who don't really have the mainstream pull anymore like itzy still sell 600k-700k

[short laurel]

Even 100k is huge number

[hoary frost]

yes that's correct, most ggs lose their popularity by that time. Some even earlier than that. There are some that could maintain their popularity for some time like aespa for example, or they could lose their popularity quick like ITZY did

[short laurel]

Itzy songs did go downhill tbf cuz jyp ent os bad at giving them good songs that contributed to it.

[subtle matrix]

Yeah they haven't had a top 10 single in SK since 2022

[hoary frost]

idk Imaginary Friend was fire and it still flopped

[short laurel]

How many numbers?

[hoary frost]

it didn't chart in the top 15, it didn't do well on streams, it wasn't talked about in korea like that

[empty halo]

i think a lot of it has to do w the company making bad strategic decisions bc they hate women and ggs and use them as guinea pigs. Itzy had a drop in music in quality. Twice (people may disagree) kinda hit a wall at one point w their sound. Red Velvet was promoted like shit. These are the big 4 company examples

companies tend to experiment on ggs and use the succesful gg strategies on bgs

[short laurel]

It's not always about charting. If it got decent number of streams n sales, it's good. Think beyond the competition

[hoary frost]

not just big 4, small companies too. Like fifty fifty, they peak at their rookie year with cupid, they are very popular, and then the next year they are not as popular and lost fans. Even when the 3 girls that left redebuted their debut wasn't big

[short laurel]

Idk about others but rv sales are pretty good

[empty halo]

also saying aespa hasn't had many huge controversies except the recent karina one is kinda insane @hoary frost they were accused of plagiarism for their debut and like 2 comebacks straight, they were called bp copies, karina had her dating scandal, for the first 3-4 years of their careers they were called lip syncers and bad performers

[subtle matrix]

they were accused of plagiarism for their debut and like 2 comebacks straight
tbf that's like every kpop group nowadays

[empty halo]

GISELLE SLUR INCIDENT??

[short laurel]

Plagiarism did happen in aespa. Sm handled it behind the scenes

[empty halo]

are we gonna forget the skrrt skrrt on ..... incident

[short laurel]

That snake train thing

[hoary frost]

?? WHAT. I never heard of those and I've been a stan (my) since the debut. I don't think fans were mad at Karina dating like at all

[short laurel]

It was huge n i not even follow aespa

[hoary frost]

oh this one yeah. But that one didn't hit hard and korea didn't care

[empty halo]

i was giving big 4 examples bc njz is big 4 but yes smaller companies treat female idols even worse

[hoary frost]

but now this controversy of Karina probably being a conservative supporter just when the elections are starting, this one is hitting hard and in korea

[empty halo]

They are! But they could've definitely been bigger if SM promoted them better and gave them more opportunities

[short laurel]

An when they could've gone big with organic hit psycho the accident happened cuz sm n sbs sucks are safety precautions

[empty halo]

Those were absolutely massive, you may not have been active in the kpop social media scene back then or sumn but they were huge in korea and internationally too. They were literally the #1 most targetted group at one point bc they were kinda bland performers. They improved after a while actually

[hoary frost]

SM doesn't let their groups get bigger than the company itself. Once that happens they start sabotaging their own groups lol

[short laurel]

Especially with army who always target sm groups for some reason

[empty halo]

Might've been a Lee Soo Man issue hopefully its over now but it is kinda annoying to see them push the stupid smtown concert shit

[hoary frost]

that's probably one positive of hybe, they don't care if their groups get bigger than the company. Like newjeans or bts for example

[hoary frost]

idk it can still be the same

[subtle matrix]

Well I think people here will disagree

[empty halo]

well newjeans..... you can't really say that about them bc that's kinda the core issue here 💀

[short laurel]

Hybe cares that only bsh made group gets big otherwise it's a problem

[empty halo]

I don't really see any other reason apart from this for why they were ostracised within the company

[hoary frost]

i do agree with that. If bsh isn't involved, he will be mad 😹

[subtle matrix]

But honestly I think the "label didn't give the group enough opportunities" discourse is bs like 95% of the time

If the label pushes a group like crazy people say they're overworking them, if they don't people say they're sabotaging them

[short laurel]

Sm do bare minimum. N in competition they end looking like they not do enough

[empty halo]

maybe but I think its true w RV. Idk but I never observed them doing huge magazine covers frequently, participating in fashion events, getting ads etc. They really could have and should have been bigger

[hoary frost]

true. People were mad at hybe for not giving fromis 9 comebacks but were mad at hybe when enhypen gets a comeback every month 😹

[short laurel]

N there's balance between doing decent activities n overworking. Only newjeans had that balance right imo

[hoary frost]

btw enhypen getting another comeback. Wasn't their last comeback like a month ago? 😹 and they had a tour too

[short laurel]

1 cb a year vs 1 every month. Both sides criticism are valid

[empty halo]

fromis9 was actually an issue tho they were neglected bc they were a non hybe created group right? Its not just fans saying they weren't getting comebacks and promotions the members literally left the company for that reason

[subtle matrix]

Maybe that's true for RV (idk, honestly I have barely followed them) but in the vast majority of cases I think people are looking away from the more obvious explanation which is that the groups and their respective members simply don't have the pull they think they do

[short laurel]

N even then hybe created lil drama over their name

[subtle matrix]

For example hard for me to accept that SM doesn't properly promote their artists when aespa are everywhere

[waxen musk]

I still feel guilty for being into K-pop groups who do have multiple releases a year, because it is something you can usual rely on and get excited about all the time... but we've had this comparison to Western artists and this expectation is non-existent.

[hoary frost]

they haven't been able to have a single group to chart on the billboard 100. Is actually embarrassing

[short laurel]

I remember when rv had a cb but sm youtube had aespa in front. Aespa were still getting ads but rv only mostly got fan made ads even though it's rv 3rd full album which was sooo good.

[empty halo]

Yes in most cases if it's a big 4 group that gets opportunities to work w massive companies, magazines, events and are getting brand deals etc but are just not breaking through that's just them naturally not having that pull

[empty halo]

Dumbass shit honestly they'll never let the trademark NewJeans go even if they'll use it literally nowhere

[short laurel]

Disney of kpop

[waxen musk]

I'm even guilty of wondering how it took 10 months for NewJeans to release only 4 songs, with my expectation being that it was because MHJ was working on so much more in the background for later 2024. I guess we'll never know how much planning was actually being done.
Anyway my perspective has completely changed now and I'm extremely grateful for anything we get (especially when I consistently love it) and care about the girls' wellbeing more.

[short laurel]

Girls get to go home after every cb.

[empty halo]

Companies can promote certain groups and neglect other groups though. Hybe promotes enhypen extensively but fromis9 was left in the dark. Similar things can happen within SM where they have the bandwidth to promote groups but choose to ignore them in favour of others

[hoary frost]

hybe is too big to go broke. They forever have the bts brand and now they are expanding to china too with 'Hybe china'

[empty halo]

Actually what a great way to put it

[short laurel]

I hate Disney for killing club penguin

[empty halo]

If BTS leaves hypothetically? They're cooked

[hoary frost]

i hate disney for killing old star wars

[waxen musk]

At least they allowed Andor. (That will never happen again.)

[empty halo]

[hoary frost]

i doubt that. BTS are part owners of hybe. They are practically in power there

[waxen musk]

What is BTS' future. I'm clueless but obviously they won't be around forever. How long is realistic?

[empty halo]

Hypothetically. Is Hybe too big to fail or do they literally completely rely on BTS and it's members to literally get their stocks up

[short laurel]

That's why hybe trying to become it company or game company. That's why they keep hiring game companies executives but unfortunate for bang these executives are known for heavily monetising games instead of making good games

[waxen musk]

Speaking of tech company stuff: I'm surprised I haven't seen MORE AI stuff from Hybe yet. We're seeing it in some art stuff but not much yet.

[subtle matrix]

Aespa also released an EP 3 days before RV released their 3rd full album, aespa's EP sold 1.5m RV sold 600k. Like the simple reality is that aespa is wildly more popular than RV

[empty halo]

Yeah they're trying to expand, as a matter of fact the entire multi label system was created to diversify their portfolio of groups so they don't completely rely on BTS to run the company. Their groups have been succesful no doubt but not enough to keep the company running

[short laurel]

Some promotion to both is needed. Rv didn't even get bare minimum which is ads.

N 600k is still really good. During rv rookie era it was considered huge.

[hoary frost]

hybe was still the biggest entertainment company in south Korea when BTS was in hiatus. It was mostly thanks to weverse and the gaming company

[waxen musk]

With all this talk about popularity and numbers, just think of NJZ having potentially less popularity as a good thing: more chance of being in a smaller venue and seeing them up close. (I'm half joking)

[short laurel]

Getting rv concert tickets is a struggle

[hoary frost]

plus cheaper tickets. Hybe ticket prices are abnormal

[subtle matrix]

ofc it is, all I was trying to say is that I often see people trying to pin the comparatively worse performance of some groups on the labels and ignoring the simple reality that some groups are more popular just because people like them more and as such will get more visible opportunities

[empty halo]

RV's promotion issues date back to before the existence of aespa. They had huge breaks between releases, a lack of brand deals, bad international rollouts, short promotional periods, lack of digital content. Again, this is all before the existence of aespa when they were legit one of the biggest kpop ggs in the world alongside twice and BlackPink. Red flavour, psycho, bad boy, peekaboo they were producing hits on hits which charted extremely well. They were big but literally didn't get good promotion which could've made them bigger

[subtle matrix]

I'm not saying that's entirely the case with RV, like I said I haven't followed them much

[short laurel]

Yea i agree with that for other groups.

Psycho was sooooo huge. I wish i was into them back then.

[empty halo]

If they were given opportunities similar to say twice, they would've been performing better than they are rn bc they'd be more popular as idols. Theyre obviously still performing well

[short laurel]

Well 2 members left sm now

[vale grove]

So confused, why are K-pop stans acting like this is new information regarding the hiatus? We have known since complexcon they couldn’t promote.

[hoary frost]

this is from a new court ruling. I think from the appeal

[subtle matrix]

It's new information because the fine amounts have been set now, but nothing has changed regarding their situation

[vale grove]

The only difference is there a number attached to the penalty no?

[short laurel]

https://x.com/fimhour/status/1928183756185076020?t=fzpfuY6qbWYgDtDwQ6klNg&s=19
Lmao

📂 (@fimhour)

the fact that this isnt a fanmade edit but a legit promotional pic never fails to take me out 😭

X · May 29, 2025, 8:16 PM

[empty halo]

I think thats for #kpop-chat

[short laurel]

It's a msg to hybe stans.

[vale grove]

Okay yeah there is no new information besides them having to pay, which honestly I feel like anyone with an understanding of how the court works could’ve anticipated this. Like if you go against court ruling you either pay fines or face jail time. Thank u sharing that w me

[hoary frost]

you know what would be smart? If the members comeback as newjeans with ador and then they get ENOUGH money to pay the penalty fee and break the contract.

[waxen musk]

Injunction March 21 -> ComplexCon performance March 23 -> Ador requests 2b fines April 4 -> Court allows 1b fines May 29 (not retroactive)
That's all that happened

[hoary frost]

yeah for example. loona sub group artms got 100k sales and its fandom is mcuch smaller and only a chunk of old loona members

[short laurel]

That number is still good

[empty halo]

I don't know how people still don't understand that the members would work in a coal mine before stepping back into that building. That's the point. That's why we're here

[hoary frost]

idk if it hit that hard. whiplash charting the same

[hoary frost]

yeah 100k is really good. and im saying loona fandom is SO much smaller and still got those numbers. so i am not worried

[short laurel]

It'll blow over once ppl start hating blue n vote for ppp in next election

[empty halo]

Orbits are literally still a very strong fandom who give the 2 groups and 2 soloists the sales and streams they need. Bunnies are massive in comparison this server literally has 60k members 😭

[short laurel]

There fandom is mostly intl too.

[hoary frost]

tbh red velvet concept was abit not so good for the average kpop fan. for example blackpink usually following same formula but red velvte had alot of experimental and different theme every time. Also idk why psycho was their biggest hit for some reason i find that their weakest tt

[short laurel]

Nha weakest is birthday

[hoary frost]

also sm doesn't restock redvelvet albums for some reason, their early albums also had this weird jewelcase thing that nobody liked

[short laurel]

They experiment with rv but many in fandom like that part.

[empty halo]

Really? Idk I thought they were giving hits which wasn't some weird sticker by NCT experimental music. The songs I mentioned, they were all hits. Red Flavour is considered to be one of the most iconic summer songs to this day

[hoary frost]

yes thats why i love redvelvet. my fave sm group are redvelvet and fx who are kinda middle child of the company but not the most popular, succesful but not the most.

[empty halo]

I still think if there was more of a push to make the individual members household names as idols they'd be more successful than they already are

[hoary frost]

yes but u dont mention songs like rookie, zimzalabim etc
yes those songs are hits. but lets say i listen to song bad boy and like it for the concept and then next time its an upbeat song
u see how the momentum would be lost

[hoary frost]

Ohhh i have a lore on this actually. i remember some sm group fan discussing that they had an idea sm tried not to make the submember bigger than company becaues of tvxq incident and keep them kinda incheck...it sounds a bit silly here but i remember there was some good reasoning

[short laurel]

Chiki was so cohesive. Sm should've promoted that album more.

[empty halo]

I could see that I guess kinda....? Hmm idk

[short laurel]

Zzb was really hated until ppl heard it in concert. It's now our cult song

[empty halo]

The concept changed sure but the quality was still there.

[hoary frost]

its not about quality. for example red velvet and f(x) always had the most quality songs and best discography in kpop I would say. but thing is that they were just not mass appeal as others

[empty halo]

yeah I've seen it mentioned multiple times too. Namiko mentioned it a while ago too. SM doesn't want their groups to be bigger than the company. With the way aespa is going rn tho I feel like it's kinda stopped after LSM left

[hoary frost]

and for their low sales really sm handled their physical releases really horribly tbh...now sm is good with their physical releases i guess

[short laurel]

But man for a group from their generation to have 3/5 members capable of being main singers. sm could've really done more. I think it's a missed opportunity.

[empty halo]

They're still doing good despite allat tho. If njz doesn't face technical issues and gets high quality music and concepts they'll do exceptionally well despite the controversy imo

[waxen musk]

This talk about numbers is reminding me that sometimes it’s all bs anyway. Remember the Jimin “Who” stuff? Apparently one of the most popular songs. Still haven’t heard it.

[hoary frost]

they will do amazing. because what carries the new jeans brand is the music and concept simply put. they came in by storm with nothing but the mv to their name and it went viral. as long as they keep up their quality there is no issue
Average person will easily forget

[empty halo]

I haven't heard a single BTS song after seven by Jungkook. Just never appeared on my feed or something idk

[empty halo]

Average person doesn't even understand what's happening rn. We get atleast 3-4 literal bunnies who are fans come into this chat and ask what's happening every day 😭

[hoary frost]

also nobody in korea seems to really care. they are still in korea airport and keep their brand deals

[short laurel]

I like few bts songs but when i 1st heard them i think fans way over praising them. Songs are good but many of them aren't that good to me.
Well this can be said to industry in general ig

[hoary frost]

i just dont know why dynamite was their huge hit

[waxen musk]

That song is so uninteresting but it does align with what is popular on the radio so I guess it makes sense lol

[empty halo]

Also something I noticed about njz mvs is that they usually don't have viewership like other HYBE groups despite being more viral and getting more streams and sales but they're still remembered and talked about often by stans. Makes me think that NJZ's entire youtube catalogue's viewership is actually organic. No ads running yk

[hoary frost]

hybe songs in general use way too much autotune. i remember listening to txt song and some are decent but they use so much autotune for some reason

[short laurel]

Truely bsh style

[waxen musk]

It’s proven. There’s a website you can check how organic. NJ = 100%

[vale grove]

Which SUCKS because txt has TALENTED VOCALISTS!!

[hoary frost]

They do different things with their mvs for example cool with you has 2 different mvs, choreo version is like its own mv, ditto has 2 versions etc

[empty halo]

https://tenor.com/view/jennie-jennie-clapping-jennie-clap-finger-clapping-finger-clap-gif-6081905458278831154

[vale grove]

Website link?

[short laurel]

Txt are soo good but i not like their mvs after they gone under hybe.
I just find them over refined.

[hoary frost]

i only listened to their early songs idk what htey are doing now

[waxen musk]

I don’t even see anything wrong with promoting MVs as ads tbh. I don’t see NJ not benefiting from it. But they chose not to.

[empty halo]

Even for mvs wo multiple versions. Super Shy and attention were massive, im pretty sure super shy was their biggest. They don't have 400-500 million views tho

[short laurel]

They are guesses based on whats shown on mushow, it's most accurate but not 100%

[waxen musk]

I really don’t remember. I’ll try on a minute to find.

[vale grove]

Thank u

[hoary frost]

Well u should know alot of the views of kpop mvs are ads and if njz uses none

[empty halo]

That's literally what I was saying bro I mentioned that their viewership is entirely organic that's the point i was making

[hoary frost]

also i think the mass stream culture is less for bnz fandom. many casual fans who just appreciate the music and listen on streaming platform

[short laurel]

Hybe does promote their groups Hard.

[hoary frost]

oh ok

[short laurel]

Ooh yea. Kpop numbers are very inflated

[empty halo]

I think thats gonna change bc there's some stress and doubt after these legal issues

[hoary frost]

Album sales aswell have really inflated recently

[short laurel]

Albums sales even in nj are inflated thx to fancalls.
For others it's fancalls and poca

[vale grove]

I also find hybe actively exploits them, overworking them. Tour announcement, Single release, new album, live performances for TV, go on tour for what feels like forever, barely a month of free time that’s considered a “break” rinse and repeat

[waxen musk]

What is the benefit of being totally organic other than bragging rights?

[hoary frost]

I remember there were some fans caught throwing away albums in bulk or whatever. Not sure of the details. Also if you're older kpop fan you would see the sales these mid tier groups are doing compared to old mid tier groups and difference is night and day

[hoary frost]

Oh yeah njz album poca situation is so good and generous...for example triples album has 24 member and give you just one of that objeckt thing

[waxen musk]

https://soridata.com/en/promoted_mvs.html

[short laurel]

I remember rv albums n i was like, they can be given to local fans who can't afford it. Ppl are happy with cd n without poca

[hoary frost]

I don't get the poca obsession tbh

[short laurel]

Collectibles. That's it.

[hoary frost]

good that njz album are generous with it and no rng

[short laurel]

When they had to get iv multiple times. N ppl were just passing it of by saying it's common in korea.

[empty halo]

Nothing its just the more ethical thing to do to have fair competition

[hoary frost]

Well let us brag tbh

[hoary frost]

is it actually common?

[short laurel]

Hybe wanted rng. Remember how hybe said mhj not complying with "sustainability" of albums in their injunction. When mhj was is most sustainable out of all of kpop albums. Even though it's not best

[waxen musk]

IV is weirdly common in Korea for basic “tiredness” from what I’ve seen.

[hoary frost]

I just googled and got same result. interetsing

[waxen musk]

I remember streamer doing it and people were shocked and she didn’t understand why.

[short laurel]

Overworking culture in east countries is common so they need boost. U are considered lazy if u not overwork or something like that

[hoary frost]

Mhj album design is really amazing. pink tape album also known as one of the og amazing looking albums with great design

[hoary frost]

Google saying basically they prescribe iv for anything

[waxen musk]

Just like taking vitamins but more extreme. Just something you pay for to “feel better”.

[vale grove]

This is why I’m honestly glad the girls have had an extensive break before the world tour and it eventually being postponed indefinitely. Knowing hybe it would have been a fight for them to do more, and over work themselves during such a pivotal time at their emotional development. While I trusted that ador could have made sure they were doing okay with hybe track record, not so sure how a world tour would have looked for the girls

[short laurel]

Remember lsfm got to go home after 2 years of debut

[vale grove]

Two whole years not seeing family 🥲

[hoary frost]

“A company that no longer has any sincerity in the art of music, a company that only has thoughts about making money, and don’t have any conscience about the negative effect they create through their non-authentic means”

[waxen musk]

They would have been ready after full album but I wouldn’t have seen them having a long break from album promotions to world tour. That’s part of the reason I was so accepting of their 10 month break from releases before How Sweet. It was likely gonna be their last time they could properly have a break. Now things changed.

[short laurel]

Their energy pills are very strong n some kpopies acter seeing idols are using them too.
They are not good for u if u are not working as hard as idols.

[hoary frost]

JYP idols i remember were so overworked too. and fans for some reason cry if their idol isnt overworked enough

[old cypress]

fans want 24/7 kpop content in their lives

[hoary frost]

Too much into instant dopamine...I mean no harm in waiting

[vale grove]

All idols are overworked, it’s why we need laws to protect them

[hoary frost]

more hobbies should be promoted amongst kpop fans.

[waxen musk]

All this waiting is just making me hope that whatever comeback happens is gonna feel way more intense after what we’ve all endured.

[vale grove]

Oh for sure, I feel like the full album and tour stuff will be insane.