NJZ Updates and Discussion

[short laurel]

what it reduces is the companies money. which could lead to layoffs. it harms employees. NJZ income will not be affected as long as hybe not play stupid there too. but hybe is probably not gonna take risk here. many kpop companies do though.

Singapore airlines recently gave bonus to it's every employees cuz of really good year. most companies only give good income year bonus to the shareholders.

[old cypress]

Hybe did take the risk, remember when hybe added newjeans to their rhythm hive game and decided that HYBE IM would make ADOR pay for featuring newjeans in their game instead of paying royalties to newjeans for the use of their IP

along with all the expensive but inefficient centralized hybe services that hybe is making all their sublabels pay for

[short laurel]

they need to present that in court. that they not receiving income from rhythm hive. and ador doing nothing about it

[grizzled summit]

Any updates

[grizzled summit]

When is the appeal

[short laurel]

no idea

[hoary frost]

here they are admitting all the groups are just following njz. but then if say that njz is on the moodboards of the companies we are crazy

the industry is this creatively bankrupt 🤣

not only them but the little sisters they have

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1923696902966739344
interesting. this is the first time I hear about Sejong(look like) have 8 lawyers while ador have 5 before ador add new lawyers to their team

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982) on X

ADOR之前只有5名代表律师，而Sejong似乎派出了8名。
而在本周五ADOR突然紧急增加了新律师，组成了11人的新律师团，其中前官律师更是高达7名。
所以除了恫吓NJZ及增加对法庭的威慑和游说之外，还需要讨论是什么现实因素触发了他们突然紧急增加律师，而且找来...

X · May 17, 2025, 11:07 AM

[short laurel]

girls having more than few lawyers make sense. each member should have their own lawyer probably. maybe. i think

[cinder verge]

guys whats happening in the legal world rn ive been so disconnected pls someone give me a rundown

[empty halo]

💯

there's a few trendsetters and multiple imitators

[heady gate]

Nothing important. Ador's increased their legal team staffs from 8 to 11 lawyers.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/BunnieMong0722/status/1923506649115001347

[narrow seal]

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https://twitter.com/BunnieMong0722/status/1923506649115001347
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[copper current]

Did you pray? I pray everyday 🙏 so something positive will happen, the truth will be revealed and all those evil people will be punished

[austere widget]

guys is there anything good happening these days?

[red thorn]

Haerin birthday

[bronze talon]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-man-a-shield-get-this-man-a-true-morgan-freeman-morgan-freeman-true-gif-25958604

[heady gate]

nothing good and bad happening

[austere widget]

oh i see

[tired cairn]

Gonna pop in here and say thanks to everyone that keeps us updated. I know there's a lot of lurkers like me who check this every so often and I'm happy to see new activity even if there's no news

[wary creek]

it's not very clear to me, why was hybe snooping through mhj chats and why was hybe against mhj/njz? bsh was jealous or something?

[heady gate]

U have to ask BSH to get the true answer.

[empty halo]

Thats something that's somewhat confusing to me too. Newjeans was a massive cash cow, extremely popular and bringing in heaps of money, streams, brand deals and views. What incentive do HYBE and BSH have in ostracizing them, trying to create a group to replace them? Just because he felt mad about not being involved in their creation/production?

I refuse to believe he's that dumb. Im sure he loves his money. What does he get out of trying to replace and destroy nwjns then?

[short laurel]

Nha. I believe he is that dumb. I totally believe it's his ego that got hurt that's why he did it.

[empty halo]

possible, but other HYBE executives would rlly js egg him on? Just an insane company then bc they're literally BURNING money doing what they're doing to nwjns rn

from a company's perspective there's so much money to be made w those 5 girls

[short laurel]

Can ask why they disband gfriend. They were successful in their time.
Also their IT ventures are all failing, yet they keep investing in IT.
Their "smart" dumb idea to make labels pay to hybe to get idols in their garbage flop game.
Tell me from what angle all this seems any of the executives at hybe have an idea on how the company should run. So many of their executives are known for making quick money with plans that only made users hate them n leaving their previous company.
I m very sure they not have good long term plans as they still heavily rely on bts while throwing their every other group under the bus for internet points.

[empty halo]

you're right. On top of that I'm sure the multi label system must be a mess. We've only seen Ador 1.0 vs BeLift and Soumu but internally, there must be more conflicts between greedy executives and shit. I feel like that's what's gonna lead hybe to falling apart eventually but who knows. Also SouMu and Belift have an incentive in ruining newjeans so there's that too

[short laurel]

Hybe executive runs those labels

[empty halo]

And soumu seemingly holds more power in BSH's and HYBE's heart

[empty halo]

yeah

[short laurel]

Someone once said that hybe don't know how to run multi label system n it's failing hard. That mhj was making multi label system work n hybe decided to kick her.

[empty halo]

I just think it's a bad idea in general. On paper it sounds like a money making machine sure but running it is very difficult. Mhj or not it was gonna fall apart eventually lmao

Who expects putting greedy old businessmen in charge of running labels and then putting them under one massive company and expect them to not compete for money and success but instead act like a "FaMiLy"

[short laurel]

Hybe not even trying to make it work.
Each label supposed to have autonomy but hybe butt in every one of them.

[empty halo]

And im sure that's pissing the employees of those labels off. Ador just feels like the first domino. It may take some years but more labels are gonna crash and burn eventually

[short laurel]

Yea. The fact all of ador's employees sided with mhj shows this.

[empty halo]

mhj is experienced and has an ego (after being involved in so many successful albums etc in kpop) so she didn't put up w Hybe and jumped at them. The time will come for other labels and HYBE will fall #trust

https://tenor.com/view/hybe-burning-hybe-building-hybe-burning-hybe-building-burning-gif-10587079683959133038

[hoary frost]

nah other labels team are busy making shady instagram stories and jumping at plushies

[hoary frost]

ofc. and instead of accepting that kpoppies were attacking the director of THE shinwoosuk and others

and all creative directors under ador. basically the only team under kpop they care about are the ones on the financial side of things

[wary creek]

so what i'm getting is: hybe is incompetent, wanted to take over ador, and didn't like how independent mhj was

[hoary frost]

probably best to start a fandom for investors

[hoary frost]

idk. the fact they disbanded gfriend was very weird to me. somebody said they are collateral damage and gfriend was making losses but it juts doesnt make sense. gfriend members were even talking about comeback

[empty halo]

theyre salty at ador and standing behind hybe rn but eventually the time when hybe starts exerting control and shitting on their label will come

[empty halo]

and soumu + belift had incentive in newjeans failing, so their executives probably egged hybe on

[hoary frost]

They could have atleast given gfriend a proper goodbye. now I heard there is some season of memories single thing but it's so late..?

[wary creek]

i don't know anthing about gfriend but google search is saying it could be contract disputes because their old contracts expired.

[hoary frost]

members said that they were forcibly disbanded themsleves

[wary creek]

hmm i can see that

[short laurel]

10 year anniversary. But somu so i avoided it even though i love gfriend

[empty halo]

they needed to clear soumu to debut the "first hybe gg", (a title which garnered attention) lesserafim, which would be created with bang sihyuks vision in mind is what I think might've been the case. If gfriend was still under source and then they debuted lsrfm it might've muddied the waters and people might ask if gfriend is a hybe group too

[short laurel]

If only gfriend could take their branding with them

[hoary frost]

Oh yeah one reason why bsh is s osalty at njz i forgot to mention.
I think he is kinda obsessed with western validation. njz worked mostly with kr producer etc, if taking from abroad with a point. but he wants t ogive them weird grammy producer, probably why he is so into that scooter braun guy as well because he has connections to those western artists

[short laurel]

With mhj name at that.
N gfriend was not hybe made group anyways

[wary creek]

korean producers but newjeans was doing well internationally i think

[empty halo]

yes it wasn't and I don't think hybe liked being associated with gfriend

[hoary frost]

they were but he probably wants that western artist type clout...like working with grammy producers etc

[empty halo]

the only girl group they wanted to be associated with was lesserafim at the time so they mightve nerfed gfriend for that reason but

who knows what goes on in those petty little incel korean mens brains

[hoary frost]

actually sad thing is that these hybe fans revel in the disbandment of gfriend and happily called them flops who needed to be disbanded (not their actual words but what they are saying if we read inbetween the lines)

[short laurel]

Main reason i think njz got success with non kpop music lovers is how their music was not mainstream. Ppl call it y2k when it had been between from 70's or 80's to 2010's music. It's not just nestalgia but how different from what current music had been.

[wary creek]

i agree

[hoary frost]

idk about not mainstream. i think the main thing is that its very easy to listen to but not in a generic way

[wary creek]

nostalgia definitely plays a factor though with njz

[short laurel]

That too.
What i mean is it's more than nostalgia

[empty halo]

Hybe needs to stop touching girl groups. Every girl/womans career that they've created has ended or been extremely shaky and controversial 😭 directly harming the talented female artists dreams

[hoary frost]

well that is their concept

[wary creek]

ah gotcha

[empty halo]

Is it nostalgia as much as it is about ❇️ youth ❇️
youth is their concept
what felt nostalgic about super shy or eta?

[wary creek]

yeah the point of sublabels is the ability to diversify

[hoary frost]

sure both nostalgia and youth. youth itself is nostalgia

[wary creek]

yeah but i would say illit is youth but magical/fantasy not nostalgic

[hoary frost]

idk about illit being youth

[empty halo]

youth is nostalgia for older people sure, but while their debut revolved around a 90s-Y2K revival they diversified after that. I don't think many elements in the entire get up comeback were trying to evoke nostalgia.

[hoary frost]

new jeans is a realistic and fresh type of youth as their concept instead of concept about being young and cute

[short laurel]

Getup only powerpuff girls felt nostalgic. Rest were very modern to me atleast

[empty halo]

Oh yeah but even the powerpuff girls elements weren't very ancient to me

[wary creek]

bubble gum was the most nostalgic vibe

[short laurel]

Like 2000 to 2015 to me

[empty halo]

perhaps

[hoary frost]

reminds me of nct dream early songs, they also had that focus on youth...i was thinkiong of njz abit when listening to the mfal song...although its so different to their style the concept was similar...mhj was also under sm during that time

[empty halo]

I think it mostly revolved around 5 young girls who are a closely knit friend group having fun together. This is aspirational to teenagers who are the age of the members and nostalgic to older people.

[hoary frost]

yeah but alot of their songs are playing into the nostalgia factor

[wary creek]

i can see that

[short laurel]

Nostalgic to old but current to young.

[wary creek]

friend groups going on road trips and chewing bubble gum XD

[hoary frost]

its a perfect description

[empty halo]

True MHJ takes a lot of inspiration from the past

[short laurel]

World will be surprised how many young ppl in many countries still use flip phones with removable batteries.

[wary creek]

i'm typing on discord with my flip phone right now

[short laurel]

Some of the things ppl were calling nostalgia in eta to me was very underground dance type.

[empty halo]

and going around town, going to beaches together and dancing (attention)
being at a house party (hybe boy/eta)
being at school (ditto)
also idc what anyone says ditto is without doubt the BEST schoolgirl concept in kpop

[short laurel]

Not the foldable

[hoary frost]

I don't like those typical cute schoolgirl concepts at all

[empty halo]

OMG is quite relatable too yknow being admitted into a mental hospital and being insane 🫶

[hoary frost]

oh i saw some people making a issue out of the concept of omg mv

[short laurel]

Hatere made issue with wll of nj releases

[short laurel]

Lost in their own weird fantasies is so toddler n teenager

[empty halo]

I mean that's fair I like cute bubbly concepts (even if they're in a school) personally. But ditto was special, it had a focused narrative and the 90s-early 2000s school aesthetics were very warm and beautiful

[hoary frost]

it was in some post that what the things mhj has done wrong. also was against the rookie album outfits which was so new to me

[wary creek]

hype boy was a cool music video idea. it's literally a friend group with a story for each member

[empty halo]

I don't see an issue w it personally. Its not like it was mocking people w mental health issues imo. I never interpreted it that way

[hoary frost]

I like cute bubbly concepts. but you know this typical schoolgirl thing is so overused. like why every random concept has a schoolgirl outfit thrown into it? without any real relation

[empty halo]

fair enough

[wary creek]

hype boy effectively used the schoolgirl concept

[short laurel]

No. I m just saying how it's normal thing for kids. Not metal hospital part. It's normal fir kids that age indulge in these type of fantasy n how stuck up adults view it as something wrong when it's totally normal.

[empty halo]

Debut era had the criticisms over debuting teenagers SO YOUNG (which is always fair criticism tbh)
OMG had criticism over the mental institution stuff
ETA was the craziest it was over some t3rror1st organisations?? 😭 so bizarre
Conflicts w the company began afterward

[hoary frost]

CWY also had so many people angry

[short laurel]

It's just my own interpretation of omg n ditto.

[empty halo]

0 peaceful eras for newjeans literally 😭
Except ditto

[wary creek]

except ditto?

[empty halo]

Oh yeah I forgot

[hoary frost]

who made an issue out of ditto

[empty halo]

Ditto was pretty peaceful no controversies I think

[wary creek]

ohh i see

[hoary frost]

which makes no sense. i dont see what part of cwy was even inappropriate

[empty halo]

The most valid criticism out of it all was the members ages at debut. Don't care if it's a common practice in kpop and has been since ages. Shouldn't happen full stop.

[short laurel]

I think there was one.

[empty halo]

Let teenagers be teenagers without being idolised as celebrities who are overworked and earn money pls it's dumb and it's pointless when you could just debut them at 20 smh. Companies debut minors for the "youth" sure but also bc it's extremely easy to control them and their activities

[short laurel]

Then look at love live series groups. All voice actors singers are debuted at adult age. Yet ppl have problems why they "old". (Needed an outlet for this)

[wary creek]

now it makes me think, ador staff helped build newjeans concept from ground up and hybe expected the girls to just be fine with removing them. might as well move the girls to a new label.

[empty halo]

ppl are gonna have problems if a groups too young and they're also gonna have problems if a groups too "old" (which it isn't old usually) its obviously overall better to debut older people who can control their schedules, finances and activities more appropriately

[wary creek]

that makes sense but do you think it would be hard to do youth concept when they're older

[short laurel]

N the "old" are between 18 to 25 at debut.

[empty halo]

20-21-22 is also young 😭 😭 they can totally do youth concepts

[hoary frost]

one thing i noticed that chinese trianee they esnd are much older than usual kpop age. like zhanghao that #1 of zb1 was 23 which is considered pretty old for kpop standard. or just the average age of cihnese trainees in general seem much older. mostly the ones who got voted #1 in these shows are very young

[empty halo]

just creepy east asian idol culture smh

[wary creek]

haha true i was thinking about those highschool movies with way too old actors XD

[short laurel]

Yea i think it's cuz education is valued more in china so most 1st finish their schooling be4 looking into idol industry.
It's what i think. I could be very wrong

[hoary frost]

yeah i like that...i think actors in china usually are also formally educated as compared to other actors

[empty halo]

right the 20-21-22 year olds look younger than they already are and can totally do teen school related concepts and such too. There is absolutely 0 technical necessity in debuting minors absolutely NONE

except for being able to control them better

[short laurel]

Makeup do wonder to make ppl in 20's look like teenagers
Western especially find even 30 year old asian with makeup as teenagers for some reason 🤣

[empty halo]

And 25-30 year old idols do school costumes all the time lmao

[hoary frost]

well it may also have to do with career longevity...ofcourse not raelly much of a reason to debut very young idols...but i mean when you are getting older will this type of career path really be attractive to the average person...people would want to get married and settle down which isnt allowed for idols

[wary creek]

playing devils advocate, if being an idol was compared to like a sport, learning to sing and dance at a young age could be a reason

[hoary frost]

Well sure its common in artistic and sport field to start young. i think in alot its considered very hard to get into properly if you didnt start young

and is being an idol that attractive of a career path for older people...? I just wonder...actually i do wonder why people become idols in the first place

if u have an artistic inclining then kpop companies will never let that come to light usually. just following company direction. but if u dont then why would u torture urself to become an idol

[short laurel]

Idk about cpop idols but kpop idols n jpop idols is too toxic. I only c ignorant ppl getting into it. (Not mean to offend current idols or their fans)
There are some exceptions like lovelive groups to an extent ofc.

[hoary frost]

Cpop music is very mid

[short laurel]

I m not talking about music but industry treatment Of ppl

[hoary frost]

Yeah it is pretty toxic. also i was looking at the chinesse survival show gg and yup all their members born in 1997 or before. but the issue is that thier music was so bad it was sounding like that one bling bling gg song

[short laurel]

I'll stick to indie singers on bilibili ig

[red thorn]

Cpop idols now consist of soloists

[wary creek]

with child actors it's usually because of the parents

[hoary frost]

yeah they are mostly soloist. but i talked aobut survival show group because its something more comparable to kpop. bcuz ofc otherwise chinese music industry is very different as compared to korean

[short laurel]

I'll stick to non idols singers in cpop

[hoary frost]

yeah also seems like these chinese survival shows are kinda flopping ngl. i looked at the album sales and werent good

ig chinese celeb in general focus more on individual branding

[subtle matrix]

Bc they were supposedly tipped off about mhj wanting to make ador independent from hybe

[old cypress]

he literally ignores newjeans members when they greet him

[empty halo]

I know the question I had is why would he do that if they bring him so much money

I guess it's bc hes mad about them being so successful without his involvement

[old cypress]

he's been dubbed "kpop genius" "kpop king" and he's desperate to prove that BTS' success wasn't a stroke of luck. And of all HYBE groups, the only one who got hugely successful is the one he isn't involved with

And also MHJ wouldn't let him touch newjeans and she wouldn't let hybe siphon money away from ador like they do to its sublabels

[copper jetty]

Also idk, to me, Hybe's moves last year doesn't make sense too... they could've gotten the parents and the members on their side before or even when this was ongoing.
It doesn't make sense why they would tell the parents and the members that they would give them a hiatus and for sure, if Hybe wanted to, they could've formed a relationship but instead, they leaked the girls' medical info and trainee videos and downplayed their Japan success, further antagonising them.
I think this for me just solidified that Hybe didn't care for newjeans at least at that time, and that Hybe really did want that group to take NewJeans' place.

[waxen musk]

Even Hybe trying to destroy NJZ with all their finiancial might seems illogical too. I understand why so many people don't understand what Hybe is doing and are in disbelief of their actions.

It became clearer and clearer as time went on that Hybe is only claiming they had plans for NewJeans while not actually having any proper plans just so they can claim to the courts they're doing something.

It's still rather difficult for me to accept that all of this is due to a feud between an insecure and jealous man that had no control over such a successful group under his own company and the woman who was in charge of that successful group. I'm still looking for an answer to why this is happening that does not leave with me with only this answer, but this answer is all I'm left with. Unless of course I am to believe Hybe media play about MHJ wanting control and being manipulative.

But now it's evolved into these industry groups saying how it could "ruin K-pop" if they let groups get away with this type of "independent thought" leaving them no longer fully in control. That's why Hybe has so much support. People truly believe this is the only way for K-pop.

And I wonder how many people in power in the Korean government truly think this way too. I can see a country who's leadership sees their cultural exports through things such as K-pop as so important that they cannot risk any change. However I think that's flawed thinking, as K-pop itself isn't really growing like it once was.

People in leadership are very resistant to change if it means potential risk of everything being out of their control and no certainty of how things will go based on how they have always gone.

I don't even believe any of this was in Hybe's initial consideration when taking control of Ador and getting rid of NewJeans. I don't see any of Hybe's actions making sense as a business. A lot of businesses who see such destructive action would do something about the leadership, but instead they're just supporting their supreme leader Bang.

Also I get why people who don't support MHJ cannot accept any of her press conference evidence as reason for why everything is happening. It made total sense to me, but I don't think everyone can just believe this ongoing weirdness going on between BSH and MHJ, resulting in BSH wanting to replace NewJeans with ILLIT, as the reason for how we got where we are today. It's fucking insane.

It's just sad that if you don't believe MHJ, then you are likely to listen to Hybe themselves, who just spread their media play so relentlessly for so long now that I get why people just believe that shit. But at least we know, we can counter all this media play with proper facts and evidence, and hopefully discovery in the courts clearly shows the truth. I hope they can't silence this truth from being shown to the public when the time comes.

It's unfortunate how understanding I've become of the hate now. And the only way to combat it is to correct these extremely wrong assumptions. But it's not working at all against the haters. I'm rather generous in thinking a good amount of "real" (non-bot) haters aren't just hating for no reason.

I'm curious about times in the past in K-pop where there has been hate that has been completely reversed after court hearings and the truth is learnt. Any examples?

[copper jetty]

I don't know about kpop but I do remember an actor.

Also it didn't go to court but lmfao dispatch made an expose about it. That's why the hate train reversed.

[old cypress]

They were never getting them on their side, their relationship was already bad from the start

[empty halo]

and soumu/belift have a good reason to eliminate nwjns bc to them they're competition so he probably recieved support internally

[old cypress]

they're all yes men in hybe so internal support or not is not gonna change anything. If anyone could influence BSH, the whole thing would've ended after mhj won her injuction and offered to bury the hatchet

[short laurel]

lol. instead hybe acted like they won that injunction. the way they stuck to word "betrayal" while ignoring the entire context. and even bsh doing a speach in media on it.

[alpine sapphire]

guys i am very curious abou one thing on the insta post of tokkizone where he quote hannnis phoning word in caption he wrote support one account ,is that account mhdhh 's like why its private and comingsoon with three post.........

[copper jetty]

Who?

Tokkizone? Is it the one who made the tokkimap?

[alpine sapphire]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DHw6OldyYXO/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

tokkizones

Support and trust @njz_official ❤️

That's all you need to do

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[alpine sapphire]

yeah

[copper jetty]

I have no idea. It's not the mhdhh insta.

[alpine sapphire]

ik.........but idk something is strange universe is giving lots of sign of there comeback.........

[copper jetty]

Also that was posted March 28. It's already May

[alpine sapphire]

it got edited today

[copper jetty]

Idk I'll take this with a grain of salt. Also if they were, why wouldn't they use their mhdhh one?

[alpine sapphire]

point to be noted

[opaque flicker]

the ig post from tokkizone is old and he tagged the njz acc that was before (njz_official), now that the acc changed to mhdhh_friends, if u click the njz_official tag is just gonna take u to the priv acc, and the username is either being held by them til they can be njz again or its just a fan who stole it

[alpine sapphire]

aaaa..got it

[heady gate]

ILLIT comeback is on June 16. I think the hearing will be delay again.

[wary creek]

shouldn't illit comeback only affect mhj vs belift

hybe and ador should be operating separately

[craggy skiff]

strange. even if belift give the reason to prevent affect to illit comeback, couldn't Sejong ask for prevent damage to njz work due to delay?

[waxen musk]

I made the mistake of reading July 18 as June 18. Just making sure you didn't make the same mistake I did.

[tardy smelt]

whew, so many dates packed together

birthday season over, court season 🔜

[steel depot]

not attending and rescheduling trial is different right? but how many times could they postpone a trial before it gets dismissed?

[viral nexus]

tbh i dont really get this imo she fits the concept, its just that people are too focused on her doing other concepts instead of her own group's concept which makes ppl want to do a more darker style since she fits more, imo she fits just right in, shes the member that can pull off any concept but to say she doesnt fit ehhh not rlly im wondering on what she will look like and illits concept esp with the new 'bomb' album

[mild mist]

Only if it affects njz' case

[old cypress]

i don't think comebacks have any impact to this

[old cypress]

it's up to the judge

[hoary frost]

what are the chances of winning in general

[copper jetty]

Nobody knows the chances cause we don't even know what's in their contract.

[rain spade]

100% chance of winning

[silk skiff]

I really want to believe but it's looking kinda bleak to me after seeing the judges rule against mhdhh for the injuction 😭. It feels even more so after the news of hybe adding up to 13 lawyers for this main lawsuit.

It's clear that they see this lawsuit as a must-win, having mhdhh win would make this a landmark case for contract disputes/workplace mistreatment in general and there will be some massive ramifications for hybe and kpop as a whole. So who knows what unscrupulous things hybe and their gang of organizations will pull this time, maybe corruption might happen affecting the judges decisions. I'm just hoping that the truth will prevail in the end.

[stuck roost]

rs jared mccain💔

[ashen charm]

appeal pretty much gone to 0 but the main lawsuit 60

[alpine sapphire]

i am having njz comeback deficiency if they wont i might pass away

[old cypress]

according to who? lol

[ashen charm]

its an opinion no one truly knows

[old cypress]

we know it's very far from zero since the injunction ruling was a matter of interpretation. And hybe adding lawyers last minute shows that the appeal is not a formality

[copper jetty]

Yes. Adding more lawyers just means that Hybe seriously wants to win this. I hope the girls' lawyers bring their A game that the higher court can't help but to grant them the appeal and not the mess that was the first hearing.

The girls need to win this otherwise, it's gonna take them years before they have an activity and if that happens, then Hybe wins cause it's no different than giving them that hiatus.

[waxen musk]

So much doom posting after the Hybe lawyer additions. Honestly, I have no idea what to expect and have learnt that despite reading speculation and informed discussion based on historical precedent, that things can very easily go completely differently to how we expect. I still have a lot of hope. What I don't have is patience any more, but I lost that ages ago, and am forced to learn to be patient.

I'm seeing this Zippy TikTok guy I shared the other day has started to do summaries of the NJZ events, starting with MHJ's situation. It's always nice to have a summary if of events to make explaining things a bit easier to some people who don't know what's going on. He also continues to give us updates on things like the Emotional Oranges collabs and Billboard 21 Under 21 article. https://www.tiktok.com/@djzippy2020/video/7505929816416308511

[rugged dagger]

w man. i left a comment a while back thanking him for being one of the few people putting out positive information on the situation

[wary creek]

man i would love to know what kind of evidence/arguments newjeans are going to use

[marsh roost]

what's likely to happen is that if hybe starts getting an upper hand in court, the girls will settle with hybe and return to ador. At least that's most likely the actual strategy hybe is pursuing, rather than outright winning in court.

[wary creek]

hmm makes the most sense if hybe acts logically

[waxen musk]

So much would have to change for the girls to switch their minds. Of course it's not impossible but at the moment it basically might as well be impossible.

I wonder if this will be the last quiet week. Next week things start up again with MHJ and the week after with NJZ.

[tired cairn]

I feel like we only ever get quiet weeks or media play

[heady gate]

Quiet week? Let's see what happen after this event.

[wary creek]

wasn't newjeans the first kpop group to perform at countdown japan?

[tired cairn]

Oh didn't know that was this week. Has the show been?

[heady gate]

On May 21 and 22 JST

[shy schooner]

The girls will not be going back whatsoever. They already stated that in the beginning.

[subtle matrix]

We can't rule it out but seems incredibly unlikely to me. Relationship is just too toxic. I think this will be settled eventually regardless because:

1. If HYBE has the upper hand in court and NJZ remains steadfast in not returning, the court can't just force NJZ to pay hundreds of billion of won. They will most likely enter a forced settlement for a much lower amount
2. If NJZ has the upper hand, both parties will have an interest in settling. It's less costly for NJZ to settle than to drag it out, and hybe can save face instead of outright losing in court.

[bronze jetty]

they won’t go back, they’ll probably negotiate a reasonable fee to pay

[marsh roost]

can't say 100% for sure either way, if hybe ends up with a really strong hand they could force a return by demanding an unreasonable fee or waiting out the contract, which the girls may choose against without other choices if only for their fans

[subtle matrix]

The fee would most likely be set by the court

[marsh roost]

yeah but I wouldn't bet on a court decision, I'd definitely bet on a settlement either way, but the outcome will really depend on who goes into it with an advantage

[bronze jetty]

it’ll probably be a settlement, the girls wanna get out by any means possible, as of now, i don’t see them going back

[bronze talon]

they did state that multiple times
trust gone = not going back

[marsh roost]

can always say that through the negotiations enough was done to restore trust (not likely but not impossible)

[empty halo]

the only reason I could see the members possibly maybe (big maybe) going back to ador is if they somehow reinstated mhj as CEO. MHJ and HYBE wouldn't touch each other with a 10 foot pole in 2025

theres like a 0.1% chance of them going back perhaps if they're like forced to

[hoary frost]

hybe n ador wouldn't do that, unfortunately

and I think mhj wouldn't come back either

[wary creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZYXLJ9OdeQ

so sad.. weather forecaster was bullied and took her own life but because she is recognized as a freelancer not worker, workplace harassment regulations don't apply..

[knotty valve]

Yeah they’d put so much control or w/e it’d feel pointless for her to be ceo

[empty halo]

hence the girls are not going back

[empty halo]

so fucking stupid

[heady gate]

I am wondering what the Korean Worker Act protects.

[waxen musk]

Workers*
||*excludes people who work||

So Hybe has 13 lawyers for the upcoming appeal (date unknown).
And now NJZ's team has 13 lawyers for the upcoming 5 June court hearing: https://x.com/CakeDegg/status/1925009162322510237

Cake🍀 (@CakeDegg)

[Exclusive] NJZ’s legal team expands to 13 members
NewJeans strengthens its legal representation ahead of the second court hearing in response to the ADOR lawsuit.

X · May 21, 2025, 2:02 AM

5 June is a crazy day. Nintendo Switch 2 releases and NJZ court hearing 2.

[stoic heron]

the messages disappearing lol

[hoary frost]

Good to see

[wary creek]

woah sick

[thick glade]

13 rounds of 1v1.

[knotty sparrow]

it's either tag team or maybe royal rumble

[storm warren]

are they reporting on HYBE's lawyers tho? the ones w close ties to ex-president Yoon and ones that dismissed ex First Lady's corruption case? lol

https://x.com/cosmoxkk/status/1925091417942274512

insideout🐰🧢🕯️ (@cosmoxkk)

하이브 추가 김앤장 전관 강일원 변호사
김건희 명품백 불기소 처리한 윤석열파
당시 헌법재판관
https://t.co/uABw8SaNLV

X · May 21, 2025, 7:28 AM

https://x.com/aarrttee01/status/1925029326245814304

.🩵 (@aarrttee01)

🚨5/21. ‘조중동’의 중앙일보와 함께 중앙그룹에 속한 JTBC는, 왜 하이브(어도어)가 항고심에 총 13명의 변호사 중 ‘7명을 전관’으로 세운건 언급안해?  숨기나?@JTBC_news @GObalnews
🚨하이브(어도어) 측 변호사는 총 13명.
📍김앤장: 나덕중, 이의정, 김희중, 김원, ...

X · May 21, 2025, 3:22 AM

[upbeat stream]

We are so cooked

[steel depot]

nah... team njz winning

[gentle badger]

*x https://x.com/catzkang/status/1925109498697613656

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

The total number of lawyers representing Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, and Hyein has risen to 14.

Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin and Hyein have appointed Park Hyeongnam, former head of the Judicial Policy Research Institute.

https://t.co/bZzrLESvhf

X · May 21, 2025, 8:40 AM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1925109498697613656 does not contain any media!

[storm warren]

how many are full time for njz i wonder

[short laurel]

https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/hybe-reportedly-eying-expansion-into-india-could-a-local-acquisition-be-its-route-into-the-emerging-market/

Nooo... Bollywood already destroyed with nepotism n now this

[old cypress]

tokkis flip flopping between it's so over and we're so back

so njz got 3 lawyers from Wooseung Law Firm

[storm warren]

https://x.com/gyang137137/status/1925129989198090482

걍🌻 (@gyang137137)

하붕이들아. 김건희 명품백 불기소 처리한 윤석렬 동문/헌재 출신 강일원 포함해서 김앤장 전관이 7명이 되니까, 세종이 외부에서 전관 변호사 2명을 데려옴. 즉 현재 뉴진스는 전관이 4명임. 항고심에는 김앤장에 아들을 인턴 채용해서 문제가 있었던 이균용 판사...

X · May 21, 2025, 10:02 AM

ktokkis speculating that njz added more after Kang Il Won was added to hybe's team

Kang Il-won - former Constitutional Court Justice who presided over the impeachment of Park Geun-hye, Chairman of the Ministry of Justice’s Criminal Justice Special Committee, Chairman of the Supreme Court’s Public Official Ethics Committee, Chairman of the Supreme Prosecutors’ Office Investigation Review Committee, Chairman/former Chief of the Supreme Prosecutors’ Office Human Rights Committee

[grizzled summit]

WHEN'S THE APPEAL

[grizzled summit]

Ikr I don't want them to come here

[bronze talon]

In like two weeks

[waxen musk]

There's no date for the appeal. Check pin for dates.

[empty halo]

dw they keep an eye on and make reports on entertainment industries throughout the world. They're probably not making an Indian office or anything lmao I don't see what market they could tap into here.

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, we literally don't have a pop music culture like in most other countries. Even hybe won't be ambitious enough to try and create one out of thin air

[old cypress]

Apparently one of the sejong partners is on the case. If true, they're taking it very very seriously

[shrewd badger]

How big is wooseung law firm ?

[short laurel]

There's alot of small time artists looking for agency. And there's alot of agencies coming n new startups too. It's a good market to enter. Additionally increase in kpop fever n government of both countries increasing culture collaboration. Nugu kpop companies already collabed n more collaborating. With big artists already performed n planning for more performances in future.
Hybe as a big kpop company will surely target this market with increasing potential.

[short laurel]

There is though. Different but there's even metal here n babymetal even collabed with 1 with another coming in few month

We have alot of small market in each genre per state which are increasing every year.

From jpop Akb48 company even tried to make group from delhi n mumbai but cancelled due to changed focus.

Even chinese entertainment companies are entering india.

N bollywood destroying itself with nepotism especially helping them in a way 😅

[old cypress]

not among the Big 6

[short laurel]

The fact that we have to look at how many lawyers we have n their background n firm rank. Instead of looking at who is right or who is wrong is sad to c.
Such corruption

[old cypress]

not much different from the US tbh. And who is right or wrong is down to interpretation which is why good lawyers are key

[short laurel]

Still sad to c

[heady gate]

I still believe we will get the appeal date after the Korean Election on June 3.

[storm warren]

who is that

[old cypress]

i'm not sure who the partner is, I'll check later

[storm warren]

its ok. i checked and they have multiple partners, thought it was managing partner

[old cypress]

they do have a bunch of these lol

[heady gate]

Both sides are burning money, lets see who is going to win

[short laurel]

We'll need to collect money for girls to compete. Hybe got too much they can burn

[short laurel]

Army fighting among themselves over jk solo carrier or something. There are twts are army should apologise to jk n everyone in replies giving different reasons. Wth happened? 😂

[hoary frost]

not our problem btw, let them fight

[empty halo]

A majority of Indians listen to music from films/bollywood casually for most of the part. I feel like we've never had teen/young adult music idols of that sort so it's a very shaky and risky thing to try out. Another thing about India is that most people DO NOT want to buy things from artists (albums, merchandise, vinyls) which is why artists don't come to India often, even if Indians stream their music a lot. They track album and merchandise sales and enter countries according to that data. Hybe is a money hungry company I feel like they have WAYYYY more incentive to target southeast Asian markets where stan culture and album-merch buying is more prevalent among teenagers. Seriously, what would they sell in India that people would buy? 💀

(apologies for the paragraph)

[old cypress]

india is getting richer by the day, things might evolve fast

[empty halo]

i know but there's a dominance that certain people and companies have in the Indian entertainment industry and I'm sure they'd prefer to keep the status quo instead of shaking things up

[old cypress]

1B people in the country, there's enough room for everyone i think

[empty halo]

well yeah but idk it just feels kinda unlikely for India to have successful teen-young adult idol type figures bc it's never been done before

by Indians

[short laurel]

Try looking up the right circles. There's alot. Idol culture is not here thankfully but there are many many small to big young artists everywhere. All it takes is looking at right circles. N it's increasing day by day. N ppl do buy merch. U just need to look out if bollywood.

N hybe isn't always looking for idols outside korea. They looking for normal artiats

They'll likely buy a local agency n have them come under hybe umbrella like they did in west.
Sk n indian goverment are encouraging things like this.

[empty halo]

I know people do buy merch def but that's mostly richer or upper middle class people. Most people still aren't willing to pay a high price for albums and merch and that stuffs usually costly. I think thats bad and we need to learn the importance of investing in music/art more tho

[empty halo]

i feel like HYBE's gonna look at nona (indonesian gg debuted under 88rising) and instead try to tap into southeast Asia soon but who knows

bc their pre programmed idol trainee system could work out very smoothly there def

[short laurel]

There are still many. Alot of ppl in middle class who loves buying it. There's increase in group orders for kpop accounts too on ig

[empty halo]

they wouldn't even have to put in much effort

[empty halo]

perhaps. I hope hybe doesn't enter india and I hope they leave our artists alone 💀

[short laurel]

Hybe isn't just looking to always have idols under them. Like i said they could just buy local agency n make them use weverse n give them freedom to do whatever they were doing. It's not always idols but regular artists too.

[empty halo]

The system here is already shitty w some record labels having incredible dominance, actually kinda like kpop and controlling music w indie artists not receiving the same exposure and I feel like somehow HYBE would figure out a way to make that worse

[short laurel]

Same. But given how government of both countries encourage it. I have no hope.

[empty halo]

well let's hope not 🕯️

[empty halo]

Things are changing after that one coldplay concert. More and more concerts are getting scheduled and being successful

but yeah I hope hybe trips falls and fails miserably if they ever try to touch the Indian market, which i still think they're gonna pass over for the southeast Asian one which is easily more lucrative and easy to crack

[short laurel]

Coldplay had 3 cons here i think

[short laurel]

This is why u should look into indie artists. There are many on YouTube. Problem is the division by language.

[empty halo]

del bom blr, the crowding and noise was crazy i saw one of the stadiums from a distance the day of the concert lmfao

[empty halo]

oh yeah India has PLENTY of indie artists and they do have small fanbases w younger people

[short laurel]

Coldplay is huge so not surprised

[empty halo]

hoping it pushes more foreign artists to have concerts here 🕯️ 🙏

OH AND CAS TOO
cigarettes after (might be banned word)
they had a decent turnout too at their concert!

[short laurel]

Need to fix infrastructure instead of wasting money on giving freebies to ppl who not even show their income

[empty halo]

well well well we're getting a bit off topic for the chat here

[short laurel]

Then we can hope for more intk artists. No one wants to come here

[short laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Chandigarh/comments/1kmyn5m/a_man_throws_trash_in_sukhna_lake_in_broad/
Just look at this.
Chandigarh of all places. My hometown being turned to this n modi government doing nothing

The fact that chandigarh police did nothing means the situation is really bad

[empty halo]

right we have the stadiums it's just that they ignore this market bc people don't buy as many albums but buying tickets for a concert and paying for albums are different. People who may not wanna purchase ur album could totally show up and pay for concerts yk they need to understand that

[empty halo]

FACTS 💯 💯
I HATE TS SO MUCH

a word that rightfully gets thrown around alot these days is a lack of civic sense and that's very real. But I think we shouldn't be having this Convo here but instead on #general-chat or something

[stuck roost]

I just miss them bro

they was the only thing keepin me from ending it all in calculus😭😭🥀

[north geyser]

NJZ carried me through Calc III and Linear

[stable escarp]

They made me nearly fail cos i got distracted everytime

[empty halo]

sorry if it's been asked before but if they lose the appeal this time can they appeal/object again

[mild mist]

I believe that they cannot

[empty halo]

[upbeat stream]

They can appeal to the supreme court, but they usually don't take up cases like this. However this one has no precedence and is very high profile so they might

[empty halo]

I see

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1925444192911991142

[narrow seal]

250522 𝙡𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧🦞 (@​yo_lobster) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/yo_lobster/status/1925444192911991142
NJZ submitted a priority examination request for its trademark "NJZ" on 19 May 2025.

If accepted, their trademark could be approved as early as August 2025, pending no objections.

[upbeat stream]

We are certain this is done by them? I'm a bit surprised

[empty halo]

I thought they'd wanna reclaim the name NewJeans from HYBE and fight them for it ngl

[wary creek]

so they settled on njz

[subtle matrix]

Pretty hard to do so

I don't know if they'd have any realistic shot at it

[empty halo]

that's sad

[steel depot]

i still hope they'll get it back if not NJZ is fine it's a new beginning

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/yo_lobster/status/1925452523831468376

[narrow seal]

250522 𝙡𝙤𝙗𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧🦞 (@​yo_lobster) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/yo_lobster/status/1925452523831468376
This logo was one of the first to appear on the website when the trademarks were filed, that’s why only this shows the update for now.

I believe the others will reflect the same priority request in the next few days.

One thing’s for sure, the girls are not going back.

[steel depot]

rather them not returning to kpop than going back to that shady company

[red thorn]

Completely out first and in that scenario, then they still need new brand/name in the meantime, bc fighting for NJ ip is not simple plan.

[warm void]

didnt they do it before?

[empty halo]

yeah

they could argue about Min Heejin and the members involvement in the creation of that name but I still dont think Korean courts would side w them

on the issue of the name

after the lawsuit and injunction end, whatever the result may be, the members won't be under HYBE so there's no real reason for HYBE to hold onto that name but they'll still keep it out of pettiness for sure lmao

[mild mist]

Well they also want to make sure that nobody else tries to use 'njz'

[empty halo]

HYBE doesn't have a claim over the name njz tho

I don't think they can do anything about the members using njz once they win the injunction

[flint stone]

~t https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1925366590826324345?s=19

[narrow seal]

250522 Shamanz MHDHH (오빠) (@​shamanjz) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/shamanjz/status/1925366590826324345
Dated 5.16

Oh Ador hohoho
https://www.koreadaily.com/article/20250515184352362

[short laurel]

Just say hybe. Why they mentioning sub labels. Smh

Pledis should remain focused on tws. They still young group. Smh

[bronze jetty]

they’re gearing up for their new gg debuting 💀

[short laurel]

Shh. What about somu. Why they looking for new group?

[subtle matrix]

It's a bit of a chicken or the egg situation

If you look at it from HYBE's perspective the NJZ situation is proof that they should diversify instead of banking on a small number of groups, because there's no guarantee those groups won't try to break away from the company

But from NJZ's perspective you can argue that if HYBE actually supported their groups then they wouldn't try to leave to begin with

I think the more reasonable analysis is that no one knows which groups will become the next truly big thing and debuting more groups gives you a better chance of finding it

I don't think even MHJ and the members themselves expected to become this huge

The risk with this approach is oversaturating the market and making people kinda lose interest. But they're probably banking on the recent growth of kpop internationally allowing them to do this

[short laurel]

It's already oversaturated. There's like 500+ groups. Just most intl only focus only focus on top ones.

[grizzled summit]

Who's Lee Bo young

She replaced minheejin

[subtle matrix]

Yeah I feel like every day I hear a new group name lol

[short laurel]

She was brand expert in a retail n IT chaebol company. Right hand of the companies president

She has no experience in idol industry, just like every other hybe executives

[waxen musk]

Number of lawyers appointed for the appeal trial and the main lawsuit

ADOR side
　Appeal trial: 13 (7 former officials)
　Main lawsuit: 12

NewJeans side
　Appeal trial: 15 (4 former officials)
　Main lawsuit: 13

There’s a lot of conflicting information among fans, but according to the official court website, the above numbers are accurate. (As of 5/22)

https://x.com/TOKKI_JPN_820/status/1925470680604352639

[old cypress]

I'm not sure idol experience is needed for branding anyway

[subtle matrix]

By the time this ends it'll be like 45 for each

[upbeat stream]

I don't think kpop has grown significantly since 2022, in fact may have declined.

[subtle matrix]

Internationally?

[short laurel]

Mhj was much more than just branding. She created everything for hybe. From building office rooms designs to brand slogan to concepts n more.
To call this new lady with no experience in industry her successor is an insult to mhj's work. Even if one hate mhj. No one can deny her skills. N someone with no experience to be called her successor is insulting mhj in my opinion.

But k media loves to insult her ..

[subtle matrix]

What should they do, get another MHJ? They don't grow on trees

They had to get someone else for the role eventually

[short laurel]

Don't call her successor of mhj. Just say they got new branding person from big company.

[subtle matrix]

I doubt they called her the successor of MHJ

[short laurel]

Some Media outlets called her successor

[subtle matrix]

Ah the media outlets

[short laurel]

Korea media always does this to successful women. Shh..

[storm warren]

I mean she is succeeding MHJ's position which was CBO when she joined BigHit Ent and led rebranding of it to HYBE. This position was vacant since the project ended and MHJ resigned to focus on being CEO of ADOR. bit weird to use MHJ for mediaplay tho 😂

they mediaplayed MHJ as female executive back then too, so this is same ig

[short laurel]

It has been vacant for all this time? Dam no wonder hybe's mediaplay had been so bad

[subtle matrix]

It's branding not pr

[storm warren]

yes, she resigned in 2021

[short laurel]

Their branding in eyes of public gone down to shit thx to pr. So kinda related

[subtle matrix]

That's why they need a CBO now

[short laurel]

I remember Hybe's 1st gg under mhj. Lsfm.

[subtle matrix]

But honestly I doubt their branding has suffered that much

[short laurel]

Thx to bts it's probably a blip.

[storm warren]

its calculated move. when bighit hired mhj, it was a sign that ent hierarchy shifted and bighit (now hybe) would be top company as its most important creative joined bighit. they mediaplayed her as such and extra highlight on her being female executive, etc.

appointing kjy as ador ceo, replacing woman w woman also had same calculate motive behind it

and now this position which was vacant for years and didnt seem important after rebanding was completed

[short laurel]

Replacing women with women in employees but not protecting the female idols

[storm warren]

well theyre protecting the ones they want to

[subtle matrix]

Are they

[short laurel]

Not really. The way they kept putting illit in front whenever the target was the company. That's not protecting them.

[empty halo]

Illits entire debut pr campaign revolved around provoking and baiting the media and people into comparing them to newjeans. They let the Garam scandal escalate and dropped her from the company despite probably being aware of her innocence. They trained and exploited the shit out of katseye predebut (as seen in their documentary). They don't care about the members of lesserafim either everyone's a pawn to them

Tmrw if a garam type scandal occurs or any of their currently active idols try to get independent they're done for too lmao

[old cypress]

MHj was CBO for a while before she became ceo of ador and this woman will probably be CBO too so it's technically her successor

[upbeat stream]

Yeah I was talking about international as well. 5th gen in particular is off to a rough start, so many groups and none of them have managed to establish themselves. Of course some eventually will, but so far it's like the worst generation ever. Well hybe at least got Katseye

[old cypress]

hybe needs a rebrand since their image is in the gutters so it makes sense that they're hiring that woman, plus she was in shinsegae that's not nothing

they might even change the hybe logo and branding completely since they're from mhj

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1925109498697613656?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

this is making me extremely confident tbh

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

The total number of lawyers representing Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, and Hyein has risen to 14.

Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin and Hyein have appointed Park Hyeongnam, former head of the Judicial Policy Research Institute.

https://t.co/bZzrLESvhf

X · May 21, 2025, 8:40 AM

This person is likely highly respected among judges and is probably a mentor to a lot of the judges

They understand judicial procedures very well so it becomes much less likely that HYBE does something shady

[upbeat stream]

I mean, so are many of the lawyers on ador's team

[hollow sorrel]

heads of the JPRI?

[short laurel]

Still doesn't sound good to me.

[old cypress]

I think the whole thing is a non-issue

[upbeat stream]

No, but other super influential people like Kang Il-won

[subtle matrix]

Idk if you look at the billboard hot 100 for example, before 2023 you had BTS and Blackpink (and their members) making it regularly but little else (Psy during the Gangnam Style craze, a couple of Twice entries). 2023 onwards you have Newjeans with 5 entries, LSF with 2, Illit, fifty fifty, stray kids

Surprising Aespa has no entries tbh, whiplash was pretty mainstream

[steel depot]

woah now it's 14 lawyers?

[short laurel]

Even though billboard is like global chart it's mostly shows ranking based on usa.
It alone isn't enough to show global popularity. Kpop had been big in alot of regions even be4 usa but ppl n media only say it's gotten big after it reached usa. Atleast that's how i c it.
Kpop rised alot in covid but outside usa it's dropped. Can say partly cuz of bts militry. But alot of ppl are getting more n more are getting tired of the toxicity in the industry n its communities.
Newjeans was fresh take in kpop so many non kpop music fans took interst in it so it was part of increasing kpop influence too but with the stunt hybe pulled it's going to drop.

We don't know what bts cb will do though.

[rugged dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-haerin-meme-cat-cat-meme-gif-45038959113353326

[devout sequoia]

any updates?

[mild mist]

It sounds very good if you're doing the catering

[wary creek]

https://tenor.com/view/man-city-lawyers-khaldoon-mubarak-gif-26224680

njz lawyers coming into court

[hoary frost]

[short laurel]

Only 3-4 lawyers will be court. Rest are working behind the scenes.

[wary creek]

haha yeah i'm just kidding. I know they won't all be in court

[hoary frost]

the gang

[wary creek]

now you be like gang, gang gang gang gang gang

[heady gate]

this is Kang Il-won. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kang_Il-won

Basically, this case has been escalated. That is why this guy is hired.

[stuck roost]

What about park hyeong nam

[craggy skiff]

i even think more lawyers means less chance of being bribed. anyway we cant know what shady things a big company like hybe can do behind the scenes

[stiff prairie]

How is things going update chat?

Are we a bit optimistic or no

[orchid field]

yeah, which part are we on the "its so over \ we are so back" cycle now

[red thorn]

We on PauseChamp

[short laurel]

We are so back with 14 lawyers

[stiff prairie]

looks the new hires are from a diff company. are they like more high profile lawyers?

[orchid field]

*x -c https://x.com/hjmmc0327/status/1925592372983079166?s=46&t=FGOk5JcS6vsxMTTizzNPiQ

[harsh dove]

@hjmmc0327 <t:1747931972:d>

하이브와 NJZ 전관 변호사 싸움 이 영상은 자막이 없어도 쉽게 이해할 수 있습니다. The legal battle between HYBE and NJZ's former high-ranking lawyers can be easily understood even without subtitles. https://youtu.be/01j1IgMw3kg #NJZ #NEWJEANS #BTS

마지막
https://www.youtube.com/embed/01j1IgMw3kg

[upbeat stream]

Hot 100 punishes youtube free streams simply because youtube pays less than other streaming platforms. That doesn't mean a person streaming on youtube matters any less. So kpop and other genres like spanish music that used to be huge on youtube but took time to grow on spotify struggled.

[stiff prairie]

dang. doesn't look that good. but why they have an elephant tho https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1028276256736808990.webp?size=48&name=HanniCANT

[upbeat stream]

If you looked just at the hot 100/spotify, you would be led to believe newjeans is bigger than blackpink in the US. Their songs have had far better longevity. But even as a tokki, I can't claim that lol

[orchid field]

truth of the matter is they are in fact approaching blackpink levels

[upbeat stream]

Ditto, OMG and Super Shy fared better on billboard's streaming component than every blackpink song, which still blows my mind

[orchid field]

only a handfull of kpop groups have funko pops

[lucid yarrow]

this lawyer stuff is pretty funny

[upbeat stream]

There was a huge surge in the number of Spanish songs on the hot 100 a few years ago. Some of that is because Spanish music became more popular with non-latinos, especially in cities. But another major reason is that latinos moved from youtube to spotify. They were always there, it's just that their streams used to be heavily nerfed. Same thing happened with kpop to a much smaller extent

[steel depot]

what do they mean?

[lucid yarrow]

since hybe has more money they can hire more legendary SSS rares

[steel depot]

oh really

[short laurel]

sony making a kpop animated movie ._.

[fierce cloak]

well a good thing to win a battle isn't about having stronger one, but about strategy & teamwork cohesive, which Sejong/ NJZ/ MHJ are much better

[upbeat stream]

https://x.com/TOKKI_JPN_820/status/1925894766622855357?t=IWbBIki7LQzMkXIZd6GWkg&s=19

ヨッシ (@TOKKI_JPN_820)

本訴訟において、5月23日にNewJeans側が準備書面を提出したようです。
5月2日にADOR側が何らかの書面を提出しているため、今回の準備書面はそれに対する反論、もしくは新たな証拠の提出だと思う。

X · May 23, 2025, 12:41 PM

[frozen granite]

“Avengers assemble” ahh

[mental lynx]

they had it in their instagram story lol, i was wondering why there was no official post

this just shows they dont care about them, i really hope njz will win

[boreal laurel]

what is this shitposting 😂

[cinder narwhal]

we're cooked

[wary creek]

gah we need more mewtwos on the team or an arceus or two

[stuck roost]

call up harvey specter, phoenix wright, and saul goodman🥀

[short laurel]

Dw. Charmanders can evolve into Charizard. According to pokemon origins a mega Charizard x can beat Mewtwo. No chance for hybes mewtwo n charmanders to mega evolve as emotional connection is missing in that company. While emotions are exploding from njz side

Though i wish they had mega rayquaza for insurance incase hybe brought Arceus

[vale grove]

LOL this metaphor is so peak

[short laurel]

https://www.instagram.com/stories/mhdhh_friends/3638899648309519383/

Idk how to post stories

[wary creek]

haha njz will take care of their pokemon unlike team hybe

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-team-rocket-blasting-off-again-fly-sky-gif-5141373

[short laurel]

Even team rockets take better care of their pokemon than hybe.

[hoary frost]

we're cooked or we're cooking

[silk skiff]

burnt 💔

[hoary frost]

[waxen musk]

I've been trying to find the source of something that everyone on Twitter right now is mentioning yet saying should be ignored, and I can't find it. People are too quick to react.

[alpine sapphire]

whats that ?........ the x is idk why but not workingin my region from past few weeks

[waxen musk]

If you don't know, ignore it.

Well I found the source. It's a random news article talking about upcoming music releases in general. Nothing official from the company involved in a certain upcoming music release.

Again, people are too quick to react to seeing certain names being talked about.

There are so many people saying don't give them free promotion. Yet I see this topic being talked about more than most topics on my timeline right now, and see an insane number of quotes.

It just pisses me off. People never learn from their mistakes. I'm ultra aware that even me talking about it here might even bring attention to it too, so I guess I'm part of the problem right now.

Anyway, if you don't know what I'm talking about, leave it like that. It's really nothing. It's just the reaction to this "nothing" that is annoying me. Also lack of sources is a very big pet peeve of mine, because it really matters and can even determine the severity of what is being said based on who is saying it.

[alpine sapphire]

aaaaaaaaa...........ok understood

[polar owl]

Has anything moved in the last week or two? Have been distracted with a lot of other things...

[waxen musk]

No. Things will start happening next week for MHJ unless those are delayed again and the week after is very important for NJZ. Plus appeal any time now. Last week was all talk about number of lawyers and type of lawyers who will be used in the upcoming hearings, so it’s close to the “real deal” starting… finally!

[short laurel]

I have not looked at x but by your tone i can guess.. 😅

[polar owl]

Thanks. Hope things are not delayed again...

And the fight is on.....we will see it till the end 💪

[upbeat stream]

Perhaps you're referring to this?
https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1926189711246111034

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy)

Not a day goes by in that trash company where NJZ isn't on their minds. They can't even promote their own group without mentioning them

X · May 24, 2025, 8:13 AM

To me, it's not that big of a deal, just media being messy as always

[subtle matrix]

Sheepy McSheepy I don't it was hybe writing that

[mild mist]

I'm not even sure that it's genuine, the OP provides no source

[subtle matrix]

Hybe saying that ILLIT was gonna start having their own look different from newjeans probably wouldn't help their legal standing lol

[short laurel]

I guessed right

[waxen musk]

I don't think you read what I wrote about about the importance of sources.

• "Well I found the source. It's a random news article talking about upcoming music releases in general. Nothing official from the company involved in a certain upcoming music release. "
• "Also lack of sources is a very big pet peeve of mine, because it really matters and can even determine the severity of what is being said based on who is saying it."
  (https://www.newsfreezone.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=627930)

[waxen musk]

Exactly. My previous yapping above is because of all this ridiculous reaction over nothing.

[wary creek]

what's going on with njz trademark getting cancelled?

makes their legal team seem indecisive

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/fifihunnie/status/1926436205320671321

🌻fifihunnie (@fifihunnie)

Attrakt's CEO lost a ₩300M defamation lawsuit against SBS 'Unanswered Questions' over FIFTY FIFTY exposé. The court found the show's claims about financial opacity & member treatment to be true, not false. A complete victory for 'Unanswered Questions.'

https://t.co/belJPijX82

X · May 25, 2025, 12:32 AM

[short laurel]

What?

[upbeat stream]

I can't find anything about this, still says 'pending examination' on kipris

[wary creek]

yeah i saw some stuff on youtube and now i think it's fake after trying to confirm it

[empty halo]

youtube news for njz = false 90% of the time

[short laurel]

Can say that about everything these days aside from official source.
Just don't believe in any 3rd party soure

[orchid field]

i made this for our convenience

[elfin pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-fine-gif-23638651

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1926349879493767200

[harsh dove]

@webelieveinbots <t:1748112575:d>

Kim Hakja, current outside director of ador, doesn’t even know what company she’s in, yet Hybe expects us to believe the staff THEY appointed care for the girls.
And this tragic attempt to show any care for ador and NJZ becomes even funnier as, despite proving she barely goes to ador or recognizes ador and just works for Hybe as a company, she started following a minji fan page, a SINGLE MEMBER’S FAN-PAGE, I repeat, not the WHOLE GROUP but 1 members page…

[cinder narwhal]

idc about her but her following a wrong ador account is funny

typical old person things

[steel depot]

bunch of clowns

[short laurel]

Following wrong company is funny but bnz needs to stop being drama queen about her following 1 member fan page.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1926527773507457345

1tokki (@juantokki)

The Pyrrhic War: Why HYBE Is Burning NewJeans to Win a Losing Battle

What happens when a company becomes so obsessed with control that it destroys its own crown jewel? That’s the question HYBE now faces as it drags the brand value of NewJeans through the mud in its escalating

X · May 25, 2025, 6:36 AM

[cinder narwhal]

good to see the yappers never run out of stuff to yap about even when there's nothing new

gotta keep that engagement up

[waxen musk]

I'm a yapper and I can't compete with 1tokki.

[cinder narwhal]

do you think he writes this himself or uses ai

[waxen musk]

I feel like I heard someone ask that before and it is self-written. But... sometimes I wonder too.

[orchid field]

He uses his pinoy dna to yap its a unlimited yap source

[short laurel]

I thought it was a new article. 1tokki yapster

[red thorn]

Now I'm wondering what tvdaily and such write, I think they still always write hybe favored article in 'issue talk' article when there's nothing new too

[heady gate]

MHJ vs Employee B on May 26

[stoic heron]

mhj has been busy

[fleet nebula]

woah thats today

[waxen musk]

June 5 is at 11:10. I updated the schedule.

Not sure what to expect for this Employee B crap today.

[copper jetty]

I didn't know 2nd hearing with employee B is today... can somebody remind me what happened with the 1st hearing? I kinda forgot what happened already.

[hoary frost]

lmao same

[waxen musk]

1tokki yapped about it and gave a recap.

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1926672802045628470

1tokki (@juantokki)

Sometimes the hardest people to deal with are the ones who sound reasonable—until their “reason” mysteriously disappears when it no longer serves their side. That’s been especially clear in the ongoing conversation about the case between Employee B and former ADOR CEO, Min

X · May 25, 2025, 4:12 PM

Timeline of articles is at bottom of that post. The main writing is the usual yapping.

[copper jetty]

Thanks. I didn't want to go to X and search. X app is kinda weird for a few weeks now for me and I didn't want to check the app cause I've seen tokkis just being dramatic over my timeline over a cb.

[waxen musk]

I keep making the same mistake of visiting that website. One day I'll learn...

[copper jetty]

Oh my god 1tokki yap so much. I just wanted to know the verdict and conclusion. There's so much more information that my brain isn't processing reading all this.

[waxen musk]

Yeah took me a while to read through that and understand it. But it did help a bit. The Employee B stuff isn't nearly as ingrained and properly understood by me as the stuff that actually matters (everything for NJZ). So if you wanna have a proper refresh or better understanding, it was helpful (yet super long).

[copper jetty]

I'll read it in a bit. I only know bits and pieces of what was revealed and what happened in the 1st case but I also literally saw the story mhj posted in her Instagram story. Also lmao now that I'm scrolling through my sscreenshots I'm seeing I actually have a copy of that.

Though I only have a vague idea of what the context on it is.

[copper jetty]

Guys, I have a question regarding the details in the timeline 1tokki provided.

MHJ disclosed Employee B's pay grade but if i remember correctly didn't she also say that her work was "subpar" for her pay grade? I don't remember the exact term but the context was like this right? Does somebody remember?

Also i don't know what context 1tokki is saying for MHJ to be allowed to disclose that "strategically" as per his internal monologue but I dont think that's ethical and professional, no matter what, unless people are comparing salary grade for a better competitive job salary. PLUS that should be disclosed by the person themselves and not another.

[short laurel]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDhH8JjxeHs/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

popfaction

A fashion student (@Citizenswoo) used their first year of design to show solidarity with NewJeans amid their legal troubles with ADOR:

“Free NewJeans”

🎥: @AnotherMagazine.

#explore #popculture #popnews #popfaction #reels

Likes

155644

Instagram

23weeks ago

[short laurel]

I think it was mhj who shared that B's work was subpar for her pay.

[copper jetty]

Yeah she did. I was asking cause as per 1tokki, it was strategically necessary for MHJ to disclose it to contextualize power dynamics and respond to employee B's claims.

I wanted to know what were Employee B's claims that necessitates for MHJ to disclose this and what power dynamic is 1tokki referring to?

[short laurel]

I not remember the details but some context were needed cuz if how b was spitting shits. But the thing is it's not public business. So even if mhj needed to give context to clearly the claims, it was still wrong for her to do. Employee B could possibly win the case if she attacked mhj on that. But all she did is attack her on defamation

For whatever claim B made against mhj. Ministry of labour rejected them but instead ministry of labour got mhj on back bitching instead (which i still think is stupid of ministry) n employee B is celebrating that which makes me think employee b is stupid too.

Like seriously? MHJ broke labour law cuz she back bitch? in her pvt chat which they illegally took.

But no one pointing at how mhj revealed that employee B was bad worker. The actual part where mhj is wrong

[copper jetty]

Where's the source for this? I don't think she broke labor laws because of this though.

As per 1tokkki it's because

1. Mhj disclosed to Director A about the investigation result (which is dumb cause he's a part of the investigation, he should've been informed of the result to mitigate future responses and to change what was wrong with his behavior.)

2. Mhj disclosed employee B wage and talked bad about her work publicly. (This one i think we both agree.)

[craggy skiff]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1926792193173311913?t=CKH9QxHX1BNcWbmhBCQ0BA&s=19

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

A court hearing is scheduled for June 5, 2025, at 11:10 AM KST, in Room 562 of the East Building (Civil Court) (Court Entrance No. 1)

NewJeans, remember that “the sun will shine again,” and every storm will pass☘️💪🤍🫂 #NewJeans #NJZ

X · May 26, 2025, 12:07 AM

[storm warren]

no articles from hybe lapdogs on today's trial?

[short laurel]

Ministry of labour said that mhj is wrong cuz she back bitch. It was on media n B was celebrating it in her ig. Mhj's lawyers later said that case is still on going.
I m saying how ministry of labour n media n b keep screaming just cuz mhj backbich which is nothing at all.

[copper jetty]

Can you send the link namiko? I wonder though, it might have violated privacy issues for employee B. That's the only reason I can think of on why ministry of labour would think that's wrong

Also they are pretty quiet regarding what happened at court today.

[short laurel]

It's on her IG. I not have it saved. I think mhj lawyer had article removed.

[copper jetty]

It's ok. Thanks though

[short laurel]

But still from what i remember. Talking behind someones back as long as it doesn't affect the work isn't illegal anywhere.

Yet b n hybe stans were celebrating it as gatcha moment. Even though her original claim was rejected by ministry.

[copper jetty]

Hmm.. I'll try to check if there's any translated texts on X about this but I do remember last time that B was celebrating this.

Also, about employee B vs MHJ hearing today, things maybe didn't go as hybe planned it cause there's not a peep about it in the media.

[short laurel]

Teambunnies posted something?

[hoary frost]

Notification from TeamBunnies

"A warrant has been executed, resulting in information received on approximately 150 individuals. The investigation is proceeding based on this information.

No agreements will be pursued in connection with this matter."

[short laurel]

Ty

[old cypress]

lol

[copper jetty]

Uhmmm what? If they change it the court should just cancel the hearings. That just means employee B don't even know what she's suing mhj for. Smdh.

[storm warren]

kuma's tweet

[copper jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[storm warren]

still no articles?

[copper jetty]

They're just wasting the court's time and resources.

This is me wanting to hit those son of a bbbbbbbbb

I'm trying to also find information or articles on the internet but there's been no article so far. K media is Quiet.

[rain spade]

TTrolllll changing the cause noww

[short laurel]

Majority of cases are that

[mild mist]

Media are probably fed up as well

[copper jetty]

Media fed up but only if it's anti hybe. If not, then these types of articles get circulated asap.

I'm soooo frustrated with this.
HYBE WHEN I CATCH YOU!!!

https://tenor.com/view/siblingsfighting-gif-6156142262711604189

[rain spade]

those article are fake right

[copper jetty]

I wish. They're actual articles that popped up when I googled mhj vs Employee B for an update today.

[rain spade]

There's no update from today's hearing, i mean.

[copper jetty]

Yep. There's nothing. Most of it was from March.

[storm warren]

media is quiet today, i guess nothing favorable for hybe to exploit

[short laurel]

5million won for back talking in private kkt.

3649 usd btw

[waxen musk]

I'll take the no news as good news, based on the tiny bit we might know about what happened today.

Pinned schedule updated.

[short laurel]

no news means good news. news means bad news. thx hybe

[heady gate]

I didn't know they already scheduled the MHJ vs Employee B 3rd hearing on Aug 25.

[waxen musk]

I think these hearings are just used to schedule future hearings.

[empty halo]

mhj vs employee B was today right
did it happen already
do we know anything about what happened

[waxen musk]

No news about it.

[empty halo]

im seeing a person on twt claim that mhj won?? must be false news then I guess

[waxen musk]

Send link.

[empty halo]

people in the comments are asking for the source but this person isn't providing any links so I'm guessing it's just misinformation
https://x.com/Splias/status/1926999661983785155?t=Mdpkxb_qdWLLHL3rZwO4CA&s=19

Lia ✮ (@Splias)

The Ministry of Labor concluded that there was no acts of cover up by min heejin she is innocent

The case for s*xual harassment between employee B and employee A are also concluded to be false after the investigation

B could be seen as having defamed MHJ risking a countersue.

X · May 26, 2025, 1:51 PM

[waxen musk]

This is old information from March.
Lia likes to say things definitively when things aren't definite, they like to involve other groups when unnecessary, and a lot of Tokkis don't like them.

[empty halo]

ohhh mb i didnt know

[waxen musk]

There's nothing new today. But these conclusions shouldn't really be made, and are more nuanced than what Lia says in that Tweet. Read what 1tokki said yesterday. I posted 1tokki's super yapping Tweet link above for discussion.

#1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1748225832:f>

from ashbash159

1tokki yapped about it and gave a recap.
[Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[heady gate]

how did you find out the MHJ vs employee B 3rd hearing is on Aug 25?

[waxen musk]

#1231839760759263232 message

[narrow seal]

Message linked

message posted on <t:1748256338:f>

from cloud_323

[Jump to message](#1231839760759263232 message)

[waxen musk]

I didn't actually confirm it properly myself. But I did see someone else post the same thing in a Tweet I found myself.

[empty halo]

okay thanks will do!!

[short laurel]

Lia is toxic bnz. Sad to c ppl like that in bnz

[hoary frost]

when they win and come back as njz, ngl, i will miss newjeans

is such an iconic name

[flint stone]

They are not giving up on name newjeans, they will fight for it

[orchid field]

tokkiville heads in general

[heady gate]

21 hours have passed, and we still haven't heard any news about MHJ's hearing from yesterday.

[mild mist]

Did it really happen

Can we be sure

That 20 second timeout is killing me

[short laurel]

no news = good news. we can expect yesterday as favorable to mhj.

[copper jetty]

True... if it was favorable to Hybe it would've been posted to all the news outlets. All we know is that the hearing was done and a new hearing is already scheduled.

Although my main concern now is will the court approve Employee B's change of claim. Smh

[rain spade]

shameless employee

[flint stone]

Didn't they move it to later again?

[bronze talon]

https://fixupx.com/kchartsmaster/status/1927282242528624741
This is surely not because of what I think it is

Kpop Charts (@kchartsmaster)

HYBE is selling its entire stake in SM Entertainment—amounting to roughly 243.3 billion won (about $198 million)— to China’s Tencent Music.
︀︀
︀︀m.entertain.naver.com/now/article/477/0000552216

**💬 69 🔁 889 ❤️ 2.0K 👁️ 313.2K **

FixupX · May 27, 2025, 8:34 AM

[subtle matrix]

Depends on what you think

There's probably no big story, they were trying to take over SM last year, weren't able to, so they're selling back their stake

[rain spade]

they need money for lawsuit (is a joke)

[bronze jetty]

yeah LOL i’m blocked by juantokki and poppykpoppie

[orchid field]

they're not tokkiville

i think they are reasonable people and wont block without good reason

[bronze jetty]

i’ve never interacted with them so i’m not sure why i’m blocked

[orchid field]

i have some of those too

[bronze jetty]

could be cuz i listen to other groups lol

[orchid field]

perhaps lel. multis that are very spread out tend to believe misinformation

[short laurel]

Atleast good news for sm. Somewhat. Tencent is only slightly less evil than hybe.

[subtle matrix]

Their largest shareholder is kakao who are also dodgy as hell

None of these corporations are good lol

Including SM itself

[short laurel]

Ik. It's just all better than hybe.

Kakao atleast not interfere as much. N tencent only takes data n barely interfere in everything they own world wide. But hybe stick their nose everywhere. So glad to c hybe let go sm.

[old cypress]

Hybe acquired them for $335M lol

Lost 137M+ usd in that investment

(unless hybe sold some of their stake before and I missed it)

[bronze talon]

you think they need the money for upcoming bts comebacks since it was known they lost a big amount of money?

[old cypress]

They need money yes that's why all hybe groups are being overworked right now

[bronze talon]

gg

[old cypress]

Need money and to prop up their earnings reports to show YoY growth

[bronze talon]

their stock will probably go back up with their comeback anyway

[subtle matrix]

They sold part of it to kakao

[grizzled summit]

any updates

[subtle matrix]

They made a very small profit overall from what I've read

[old cypress]

Ah, that makes sense then

[subtle matrix]

My very quick math is

HYBE bought
14.8% at 120k/share from LSM
Another 3.8% after LSM exercised a put option (also at 120k/share)
Around 1% at 92k/share (their tender)
Total ~530B

HYBE sold
8.62% at 150k/share to kakao
9.38% at 110k/share to tencent
remaining ~1.5% at ~90k/share
Total ~560B

They didn't accomplish what they wanted regardless which was a takeover

[short laurel]

tons of tours coming

[short laurel]

and we are grateful for that. hybe takeover would've killed majority of it's group.

[hoary frost]

Is the ban really being lifted

[hoary frost]

there's like some automations that block ppl that follow certain people or like some tweets

[empty halo]

💯
they literally have groups they'd prefer to be successful over others within their own damn company. I can't even imagine how shitty SM groups (ESPECIALLY aespa their biggest competitor) would be doing if petty ass HYBE executives had control over their activities.

I understand why SM was so hostile about hybe taking over now, after this entire njz saga

[short laurel]

SM and all SM groups fans hated the idea of SM under Hybe. legacy groups would've been disbanded. something SM hates to do but Hybe does left and right.

[empty halo]

and aespa would be in the hiatus dungeon with the occasional shit music for releases as to not overtake hybe groups in popularity. Will forever be grateful about SM being free from HYBE's grubby hands and aespa being successful

https://tenor.com/view/botched-records-girl-who-is-going-to-be-okay-going-to-be-okay-zay-girl-whos-going-to-be-okay-gif-4016605171090646240

imagine never having whiplash because of hybe

[short laurel]

that's why hate LSM for even trying to give SM to Hybe.

LSM didn't get his tree song so he'd have ended up harming aespa and all the SM groups

[empty halo]

RIGHT he's definitely a man obsessed with his legacy and shit why would he ever support hybe? Idk I think hes genuinely extremely dumb and was not aware of how venomous that company is and was just a mad old idiot

[short laurel]

maybe he was thinking cuz MHJ is in hybe maybe she'll handle it well. remember at the time we didn't know hybe was that messed up

[empty halo]

true I was confused about why SM was so hostile but I get it now

https://tenor.com/view/sihyuk-bang-pd-bang-pd-omg-bang-sihyuk-omg-gif-24289138

jumpscare warning

[fiery sinew]

So how about the case of filing an objection to the injunction guys?

[waxen musk]

Injunction objection failed. We're awaiting a date for the injunction appeal.

[short laurel]

appeal.

[waxen musk]

I was bored and watched the LSM doc on Amazon. Waste of time lol but I really never learned anything about him.

Still so much for me to learn despite it being over 2 years of me being into K-pop now.

[short laurel]

Hybe documentary will have you sympathize with hybe artists and people will sing prayers to hybe. but no one will realise that it is hybe who made their artists life that hard.

[waxen musk]

That more recent LSF doc on YT was so... I don't even know what to say. It was a lot of stuff.

[short laurel]

i didn't watch but my above comment is based on peoples reaction.

[waxen musk]

Yep

MHJ getting to make a doc would be nice. I don't know how it can happen properly tbh.

[empty halo]

could hybe selling their share to tencent music be beneficial for SM though? Its the biggest label in China I think and they can get more exposure there esp since they do have Chinese idols

[grizzled summit]

ANY UPDATES

[hoary frost]

sm before china ban had huge plan for chinese breakthrough. for example their group superm, exo all had specific china unit...made wayv in nct

[short laurel]

tencent was SM's distributor in china iirc and they are not direct competitor. also tencent doesn't interfere much as long as they get all the user data that's not supposed to go out of the country

[hoary frost]

china market seemed like specific fixtation for sm

[short laurel]

tencent also owns qq music in china. also tencent owns shares of discord

[hoary frost]

yeah sm keeps groups way past prime and ig past certain point would be giving solo comeback to anyone if they asked ..while gfriend disbanded like its nothing

[hoary frost]

I guess the answer is that he is just very old now and i think alot of ppl weren't into that kwangya concept he tried to do

[short laurel]

even members didn't know about disbandment and were preparing for CB. T_T

[hoary frost]

i heard he made some chinese group now idk how succesful it is

[short laurel]

that video of his chinese agency. had virtual groups..

[hoary frost]

virtual group?

[short laurel]

the ones they call AI. but have human dancing behind. like hololive from japan

[hoary frost]

didnt he have one real group too tho...hololive isnt ai tho

[short laurel]

kpop calls virtual groups AI.

[hoary frost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnCBHkvQZo0 Oh this is the group

[short laurel]

i was expecting chinese.

i was talking about the video he released months ago with many boys and girls trainees.

[hoary frost]

i think all the members are chinese or smth...whats this video u r talking about btw, never heard of it

[short laurel]

it's gonna be hard to find. i'll try to look for it.

ooh it's registered as kpop group. i thought it was in china. agency is in california.

SNSD Sunny is in this A2O ent. i thought she didn't like her uncle

[hoary frost]

well all she used to say is that they're not very close. but in the end he is still her uncle i guess

wondering what will be his move when his non compete ends

[short laurel]

i checked. 2 american born chinese rest china born chinese

[hoary frost]

song is just ok...mv is just kwangya vibe of this group

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1927296845186773058?t=V2BtUI1Ym7nBlkLgQjtVpA&s=33

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy)

Hybe sold its SM shares a few weeks after Bang piggy was called to testify in Kakao's stock manipulation trial 🤔.

I wonder if there's any connection between the two

X · May 27, 2025, 9:32 AM

Uhmm... what? What manipulation trial?

I don't have any idea on whatever happened to SM Hybe takeover.

[hoary frost]

iirc kakao founder were accused of manipulating and inflating sm stock price

[subtle matrix]

Given that hybe was the injured party there I don't think so

[short laurel]

Hybe too is in stock related fraud which is yet to be investigated. delayed cuz of yoon. remember?
also Hybe employees were arrested in stocks related issue 2 year or something ago i think which hybe just cut off or something.

[copper jetty]

I actually didn't know about this.

[short laurel]

there was another one where employees were arrested for internal trading. something about them knowing when bts going to military and playing stocks accordingly. bts military exact timing was high level information at the time btw. so they should be high level employees

[empty halo]

China's kpop ban coming to an end + tencent getting shares in SM oh yeah SM artists are gonna be eating good in China. I feel like their groups are very marketable to a Chinese audience. Their idols will fit in and be liked there perfectly well

[empty halo]

I think they'll receive support from tencent in terms of distribution and marketing which is good for SM artists. I hope they can find more success there 🍀

[empty halo]

Okay while I didn't get the lore I really loved the campy visuals and sound I feel like very few people get it and like black mamba, savage and next level 😭

[short laurel]

SM groups are big in china. RV's most sales are from china

[hoary frost]

Let's see if the ban really does come to an end

[hoary frost]

And ofc exo is their own beast in china (originally start with Chinese version of all their songs/dual concept like NCT wish) . Ig groups like aespa snsd and f(x) also had or have significant Chinese popularity.

[upbeat stream]

We've gotten news of China dropping its kpop ban countless times over the years. I'll believe it when it actually happens

[empty halo]

yes

I just gaf about aespa RV and boa and them benefitting from the lifting of the ban

[old cypress]

they already have a bunch of chinese people buying albums i'm not sure lifting the ban would have such a big benefit

[upbeat stream]

Artists being able to tour would be a big deal

[old cypress]

they go to hongkong taipei and macau

[empty halo]

there was never an "official" ban and there probably won't be an official end to the ban either. Its just them easing the restrictions like allowing the first all korean concert i think and having their biggest companies take shares in kpop companies

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, but the mainland is a huge market, not everyone is gonna fly to hk/macao

[short laurel]

qq music streaming increase atleast

[empty halo]

there's a thing called the dream concert which is a kpop concert event w multiple kpop groups and artists and theyre gonna be hosting one of those in Hainan which is in mainland China so

I think this pretty much signals the end of the concert ban atleast

njz would be doing so well in China

[old cypress]

yeah for sure

[frozen granite]

Any news regarding MHJ & that one case on the 26? I forget who is involved

[copper jetty]

still none. At least on english speaking articles. I don't know how to search for korean related ones.

[short laurel]

they have huge fanbase in china

[empty halo]

definitely

[ashen charm]

yeah but newjeans didnt wanna risk more legal trouble so they suspended all activities

i wouldnt be suprised if hybe were to drag it out as long as they can even when they lose

[copper jetty]

yeah for sure. I'm pretty sure even when or if Hybe lose, everytime njz would release or do a cb, there will be a slew of media articles about this drama.

[short laurel]

njz on long break is exactly what hybe wanted. which is why it feels like regardless of legal result hybe got the result they wanted.

[heady gate]

I am glad they are having a long break, not staying with HYPE.

[short laurel]

hybe*

[ashen charm]

especially whats going on rn with ticket prices wouldve been alot worse

[bronze jetty]

either they were going to go back to ador or take a break, ador wasn’t happy that the girls are taking a hiatus

[short laurel]

no. hybe and hybe control ador plan was always to keep girls in dungeon for 1.5 year until they found that grammy winning producer.

[bronze jetty]

yes i know that but i’m just saying ador is upset that the girls are taking a hiatus in their own terms, not by ador/hybe’s terms

[short laurel]

yea. but cuz it shows girls are strongly against hybe/ador. they not like that. but still hybe achieved what they wanted to keep girls on long break.

shareholders not like it that girls are out of control of ador. shareholders wouldn't be saying anything if break was on hybe's term.

but it's not like hybe was able to utilise NJZ absence to boost the group the ywanted.

[ashen charm]

also im pretty sure njz were willing to stay at ador even when mhj left

[short laurel]

if hybe wanted to keep MHJ out. they should've atleast gain girls trust and hybe failed to do that.

[ashen charm]

yup agreed but they didnt learn and now karmas coming for them

[short laurel]

we still don't know what happened in details but from hanni's incident with illit manager only made hanni be against hybe more.

[ashen charm]

yeah no way they ever work together after that

[empty halo]

yeah ofc 😭 im just talking about China lifting the kpop concert ban and allowing the dream concert to take place there

[stiff igloo]

im honestly very confused ab what happened

i stopped keeping up with them since august of 2023 so honestly im ah lul lost.......

[fleet nebula]

take some time and read to update yourself then 🙂 easiest fix

[stiff igloo]

im not finna read this whole chat

[fleet nebula]

Lmao not the whole chat, check pins and go from there

[stiff igloo]

oh rt

[stiff igloo]

so basically the girls thought they were going to be like loona and try to get their contracts terminated but in court they had lack of evidence ...

[fleet nebula]

No lol

[stiff igloo]

well das kinda what i took from it, i honestly think the girls r seriously manipulated by min hee jin

[fleet nebula]

Oh you're one of those lol ok bye

[stiff igloo]

i just honestly never seen a group take the side of an ex ceo which is why im still confused

i just hope that somehow they can all still stay together as theres no way this talent can just go to waste

[stiff igloo]

but also at the same time it makes me think they arent? simply because these girls have thanked min hee jin ANY chance they get

im js gonna guess they're super grateful for her because she brought them where they are today..

thats what i meant

i kinda js hate the way they did this but they're brave for even having a voice so i'll give them that

i just HOPE this ends well for both parties as honestly both hasnt really submitted enough evidence

[thorny knot]

nah fuck hybe they don't deserve the girls or their talents one bit

[stiff igloo]

^^

Personally havent liked HYBE and the way they handle things since they did what they did to garam, sorry 🤷‍♂️

i heard this case will be going on for at least 3 years

i was just asking if it was true...??

never once said it was annoying 😭

was the way you said it and the tone you used

ah okay thank you

r fans refusing to stream the M/Vs that are under hybe similar to loona orr

[thorny knot]

nah the girls still earn money from streams of everything so we still stream the songs and mvs

[stiff igloo]

period

idk i js hope we can still see them as a group, i NEVER seen a group bring back 90s/2000s kpop

[thorny knot]

mostly cause at least one member has writing credits on each song

[stiff igloo]

i do not like the aggressive music we get nowdays so the fact they brought calm beats rlly made me happy

[thorny knot]

lol funny you say that cause imo it's not the case anymore kickflip just released a new album and it has that early 200s boyband vibe but yes no one has done it as well as newjeans

kiss of life kinda has that style too but again no one does it as well as the girls do

[heady gate]

Based on the calculation, HYBE made 30 Billion won profit, which is 21.9 million USD.

[hoary frost]

https://x.com/catzkang/status/1927534967992561716 glad to hear

Av🫧 (@catzkang)

All five NJZ members: Minji, Hanni, Danielle, Haerin, and Hyein were seen hanging out in Australia. They were having fun together, just the five of them, with no manager or anyone else around. Spending quality time as a group of bestfriends. 🤍

X · May 28, 2025, 1:18 AM

[fathom canopy]

*x https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1858856592789373120?s=46

*x -c https://x.com/newjeansnews_/status/1858856592789373120?s=46

[harsh dove]

@newjeansnews_ <t:1732020922:d>

🐹HYEIN LEE’S 2025 BUCKET LIST

1. Go on a friendship trip with the 5 members🏖️
2. Go to the cinema and watch a movie w/ the members🍿
3. Ride a bike overseas🚲
4. Watch the fireworks🎆
5. Learn the guitar🎸
6. Go to a chef’s restaurant from Culinary Class Wars🧑‍🍳
7. Do a FAN-MEETING IN KOREA🇰🇷
8. Do a hidden camera with Bunnies🐰

[fathom canopy]

Hyein can finally cross the friendship trip off her 2025 bucket list

[short laurel]

People should know that girls been so clost to mhj n be vocal about it is nothing new.
Many kpop groups are close to the people who produced them. Especially most members of 1st few groups of big 3 always been super friendly with the ceo at their time when they were smaller companies N they've all been vocal about it. Is it forced or natural can be seen by their speech. Ofc there's been exceptions but still many showed love n respect for the ones who made them.

Ppl like lsm n jyp are father figure to some.

[hoary frost]

ofc its nothing new. You should see the way ppl talk about jyp even (fans not even idols). they juts apply a weird double standard in this case

[short laurel]

I said it cuz there is someone above here who were being weird about it.

Even illit we've seen being vocal about their ceo n everyone at hybe about bang. Though if they are genuine about it or made to say is for ppl to judge.
There's been forced praise to ceo's in sm n jyp too.

[hoary frost]

Oh i just scrolled and saw the convo
I don't see what's weird about taking side with mhj

do ppl really think idols have 100% impersonal relationship with the ppl who are their staff etc

[wary creek]

i don't know how to vocalize it exactly but i just wished mhj wasn't so reckless.

[hoary frost]

hybe is a soulless company...incapable of doing that

[hoary frost]

Well i somehow feel...no matter what she does its an issue nowadays. like she is now 100% quiet and now ppl saying she left njz in mud. but if she talked there would be even more issues

ppl are always looking to nitpick

[short laurel]

The only thing i c mhj being reckless out is her using kkt in company system. But she is dumb in terms of tech. How come hybe still not in trouble for storing employees personal chat. Or kkt in trouble for not encrypting msges.

[short laurel]

They were saying "mhj manipulating girls" n next line "they aren't ad girls thx mhj at every chance they get". So i wrote that big para above.

N that loona msg above that

[wary creek]

yeah i guess so, and also it's not mhj fault that her controversies get associated with the girls.

[short laurel]

N Her controversies are much less than controversies of every other ceo in this industry, yet no one associate them with the idols who are close to those ceo.

[hoary frost]

in the end we don't know what's truly going on internally. i remember alot of orbits being surprised artms girls went to modhaus
Ppl need to stop acting like they know more than the idols

[short laurel]

Yup

About modhaus. Idt Jaden Jeong was the problem. He was out of bbc be4 all this broke out. Maybe he didn't know girls were not paid, or he knew n didn't care, we don't know but I don't c why girls going to his agency is surprising to orbits. When issue was the BBC top executives

[hoary frost]

Orbits liked to blame jaden jeong. probably because he is someone with a more public presence so easy to attribute wrongdoings to.
jaden jeong was just creative diretcor iirc. i don't think he would have power over those aspects like people were blaming him for. and yeah mistreatment seemed to get even worse after he left bbc. I kind of doubt he had those powers

[hoary frost]

somehow ppl like to go after creative directors it seems

[upbeat stream]

Even the members who didn't join his label are very close to him. I remember Yves writing a heartful post about him a few months ago

[short laurel]

Like mhj in her whole sm career

[hoary frost]

isnt it kinda weird. they hate on the people who are behind the actual creative part of the conception of groups yet do nothing about the real higher ups or even praise them...?

[short laurel]

He kept loona concept on track. After he left it became a mess

[hoary frost]

i miss the old lore a lot

[short laurel]

Especially when these higher ups are very publicly known for some really really messed up sh

[upbeat stream]

The narrative among orbits when some members joined his label and others didn't was that he discriminated between members and some were treated worse than others. Well they were proven so wrong as the others have also spoken fondly about him

[hoary frost]

yeah they were proven wrong. but seems like some orbit still have beef with him... (and triples/artms as well)

[upbeat stream]

Orbits are so weird about Jaden, at least our fandom trusts our girls' words

[short laurel]

Ig orbit too are a normal kpop group. Successful girl cott is the only thing different about them ig

[hoary frost]

I'm huge orbit since a long time. but they really irritated me especially when they started going after triples

[upbeat stream]

Yeah me too, I love Loona and have followed them for years but I honestly hate the fandom

[red thorn]

Off the record sht higher ups do to influence creative decision on idols outfit is common example that people failed to understand,
People often fully auto blame it to the stylist.

[frozen granite]

Any theories as to why haven’t we heard anything re MHJ’s case that took place today (yesterday)? I’ve been out of the loop

[short laurel]

Day be4 yesterday. No news. Except that employee B is trying to change the case.

[split shoal]

wtf?? that’s wild

[rain spade]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[short laurel]

Njz stylist gets hated everytime. Sometimes clothes too simple, sometimes clothes too revealing to these bunnies. Sometimes fit not good.
They need to pick a struggle.
There's still post about ppl praising other groups stylist n saying things like " stylist of group x, y , njz, etc learn from this".

[hoary frost]

Did ppl really say that about njz stylist? I always thought their outfits were a standout point of the group

Fit concept so well and also look comfy

[short laurel]

They coming out after drama started. Mostly other groups toxic stans.
From bunnies it was about clothes being too simple. N attention era outfit

[mild mist]

Probably because they're a more public face of the label staff, especially related to the group

[subtle matrix]

It goes both ways. They get a lot of credit for stuff they probably didn't do or were only tangentially involved in, and they get a lot of criticism for other things that were similarly out of their control

[ashen charm]

i can see why you would think that because the only one they were close to was mhj they really didnt have any support in that company besides mhj and the ador staff

[subtle matrix]

That is not an argument against hybe given that it was MHJ's choice to work mostly independently from hybe

However I feel like the internet has collectively lost all nuance when discussing manipulation/gaslighting/grooming

MHJ has not manipulated or groomed the members

Speaking as someone who is in charge of managing other employees, personally I am put off by the sort of working relationship they had

I have a very good relationship with the people working under my management but I think it's healthy to keep a certain distance

Not because they deserve less out of me because I am their superior, the exact contrary. Due to the fact that the power dynamics at work here dictate that I have influence over them, I should be overly aware that they might be less willing to confront me in anything related to our personal relationship because they might fear retribution in our professional relationship

A friend outside of work won't be afraid of telling me to f off if I do something stupid but someone who works under me might

And I get it's really hard to keep that distance, especially when you're talking about NJZ members who are literal teenagers when they debut. It must be hard to avoid some sort of parental dynamics to kick in. But I think she is failing them by not doing so

I'm also extremely biased here because due to my family history I am extremely put off by like this sort of emotional reliance on others, whether it be your boss, your coworker, your friends or even family

And ofc I'm only getting a partial picture of their relationship from their public displays like the letters and such

[storm warren]

you dont know them. mind your business

[subtle matrix]

Or what?

[storm warren]

did i say or anything?

lol just said stop analyzing emotional state and relationship of ppl u dont know

https://n.news.naver.com/article/015/0005137881?sid=101

[subtle matrix]

Then don't order me around

[storm warren]

whatever

[hollow sorrel]

who else popped champagne

[subtle matrix]

I'm always amazed by the stuff extremely rich people are willing to do to become extremelier richer

[hollow sorrel]

didnt they accuse mhj of insider trading?
this is ridiculous I'm giggling so hard right now

[heady gate]

*x -c https://x.com/bammi057/status/1927665570779963484

[harsh dove]

@bammi057 <t:1748426261:d>

Korea’s Financial Supervisory Service is preparing to refer Bang Si-hyuk to the prosecutors for fraudulent and unfair securities transactions under the Capital Markets Act.

If proven true, he could face severe criminal charges under Korea’s securities law.

[short laurel]

This kind of relationship is common with the 1st few groups of ppl in mhj position in kpop as i said be4 many companies ceo/directors were extremely close to their 1st few idols. I agree they are way too close in this relationship but i blame the industry n culture they've formed around it. N idols being teenagers at debut plays part in it as u said.
Though not this part, MHJ atleast tried to change some of the bad things of the industry which she deserves respect for.

[short laurel]

Every accusation is confession

[subtle matrix]

Yes I think biggest factor is these idols joining the companies so young. How to avoid these types of relationships developing when at that age they need that type of emotional support

It's almost impossible to keep a strictly professional relationship

[short laurel]

Atleast mhj kept contact with girls parents. That's already big step in Right direct. Many don't do that n even limit trainees contact with their family. Though thx to smartphones n internet becoming more n more accessible that restriction loosen somewhat on it's own.

[hoary frost]

wondering if that subreddit who would be posting njz fancafes would post this news

[copper current]

yay 🙏 ❤️

[upbeat stream]

Well if you watch Danielle's last ig live, she believes mhj saved them from abuse. So it's understandable that they are so close

[old cypress]

you're massively projecting, njz are not mhj's employees and you're leaving njz parents (who are constantly in touch with mhj) out of the equation

[subtle matrix]

In what way am I projecting?

[old cypress]

you're using your own (irrelevant) experience to assume what they should or should not do

and ironically you say that the internet has lost all nuance lol

[subtle matrix]

Well here we are again

"personally I am put off by the sort of working relationship they had"

"I'm also extremely biased here"

"And ofc I'm only getting a partial picture of their relationship"

This is my personal opinion on the type of relationship they seem to have

I am not saying how they should or should not act

I am saying that PERSONALLY I wouldn't handle the relationship like this

MHJ and the members can and should do whatever tf they want

[old cypress]

And I answer that you're projecting

[subtle matrix]

In what way am I projecting?

[old cypress]

I already said it

[subtle matrix]

No you didn't

[old cypress]

.

[subtle matrix]

Giving an opinion is not projecting

Saying you would do something differently, disagreeing with how someone is doing things, is not projecting

[old cypress]

You're doing both, giving an opinion based on a projection

[subtle matrix]

What projection? What am I projecting?

[old cypress]

you're assuming the relationship mhj has with njz based on your experience and past trauma

as raven said, you don't know them and it's not a good idea to assume things

[subtle matrix]

"you truly feel like a warrior and our mom!!!"
"I love you CEO~"
"CEO, you know that we are always on your side, right?? Because you are like family to me! Whenever you need us, we will always rush to be by your side!!!!"
"I want to be with you no matter which path you choose! Even if I can't be of much help, I want to be by your side in difficult times! I pray for you every day, cheer for you, love you, and love you again!"

[old cypress]

yeah and? she's like family

[subtle matrix]

That is exactly the point

[old cypress]

you don't understand, she's not their actual ceo, they call her ceo for convenience

and even if she is, the artist manager relationship is completely different from you and your employees

there are plenty of artists that are extremely close with their managers

[bronze talon]

Using some sort of parenting for people like them at that age is fine to an extent imo
It's like in school, teachers sometimes listen to students when they have problems, they help or console them so yea
Being there for them or even being in a happy friendship circle sort of idk how that should be seen in a bad way if you ask me even if it's non worker contact with CEO type of people. They need emotional support as well knowing the industry

[hollow sorrel]

also njz have been with mhj since they were like ~12
at that age you can't just treat someone like her like an actual CEO

[old cypress]

mhj said she's like a mentor to them and she's using newjeans to train the girls into becoming artists

[bronze talon]

I remember one of her visions was her telling/teaching them that they have to stand on their own

[subtle matrix]

Who's assuming stuff now?

[old cypress]

??? it's common sense, managers don't order artists around, managers don't hire and fire employees the power dynamics are different

[old cypress]

yeah she gave an interesting interview about it but i don't have it right now

[subtle matrix]

Regardless, take a fucking minute to actually read what I say every once in a while instead of just assuming I'm attacking your precious CEO. Like I said I think there are several factors that make it kind of inevitable for this sort of relationships to happen

[opaque flicker]

I think it's time to stop

[stiff igloo]

Glad to know i’m not the only one to think their relationship with Mnj is a little odd

[subtle matrix]

Probably best to be discussed another time 🙂

Enough discussion for now

[rain spade]

New mod ?

[opaque flicker]

no, I've been m0d here since 2023

[timber shell]

[red thorn]

That somehow would be cleared and again proven Hybe is holy company with a saint chairman

[short laurel]

Not if blue wins the election

Blue is pro njz right

[empty halo]

okay but something I hate is people making njz thanking and taking pictures with their CEO "weird" when literally every other group does it. They all take pictures with their CEOs and thank them ANY chance they get??

Its a normal thing that occurs in the industry??

yes njz's support for mhj goes beyond that but let's not act like thanking her and mentioning her in speeches for her contribution in their work is weird

[upbeat stream]

Have you watched Dani's last ig live? If not, it's highly recommended. She talks about her trainee days, it's quite emotional

[short laurel]

Exactly what i said.

[empty halo]

you can have your opinion on mhj but njz was never "weird" for mentioning, thanking or talking about her

https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1927694456033071578?t=NbTqDI7ZAL2woq2JZ1lE2Q&s=19

pannchoa (@pannchoa)

Bang Sihyuk risking life in prison over fraudulent transactions of HYBE stocks
https://t.co/TwkfVI9ooj

X · May 28, 2025, 11:52 AM

is this an over exaggeration for clicks or could he actually get life in prison

[short laurel]

Could be just fines, could be 5 years could be lifetime. Mist likely fines

[empty halo]

lets hope he's forced to serve atleast some time

[short laurel]

But seriously journalist has no integrity putting idol in the pic when she has no role in this. She wasn't even in the company in 2019

[subtle matrix]

Not an exaggeration in terms of the law as in the law actually exists
Probably an exaggeration because people only get severe prison sentences for fraud when the injured party is the government

[empty halo]

he's definitely the most hated CEO in kpop rn

[short laurel]

He always was.

Watch his interviews. I always found them so bad

[empty halo]

everyone considers JYP a joke, nobody cares about YG or SM and all 3 of them stepped down everyone despises bang pd

[empty halo]

oh
even a short prison sentence for bang si hyuk would satisfy me

[subtle matrix]

YG has the most messed up story though

[short laurel]

Should care about yg. He crossed line tooo much

[empty halo]

oh yeah no doubt the entire story w his wife is absolutely diabolical

also he insulted the members of loona for having a predebut project where all of them debuted solo but is literally copying the fucking idea for his new group smh

[subtle matrix]

I legit couldn't believe it when I first heard about it

[empty halo]

they're all the same i hate them but bang si hyuks the only one in an actual position of great power

[empty halo]

an ACTUAL pdf file (idk if the words allowed in this server) gets no criticism for his actions like the entire kpop community just forgot

didnt he know her since she was like 14.... blegh whatever its creepy regardless of that

[stiff igloo]

i never mentioned them taking pictures with their CEO is weird

SM artists do it all the time with LSM

[waxen musk]

K A R M A

[empty halo]

so do hybe artists w bsh and jype artists w jyp

[empty halo]

uhuh a lot of people act like it's insane so I thought you may be one of them

[hoary frost]

the shaman worked

he is risking life in prison while njz enjoying australia trip together

[empty halo]

aenjz karma

[stiff igloo]

nope not me

[stiff prairie]

Anything good happened today?

[waxen musk]

Yeah BSH in trouble, I guess you could say is good news.

[stiff prairie]

Ahh w the ipo stuff? Thought they buried it alr tho

I think we're finally seeing fruits of the prev president going away

[vale grove]

https://tenor.com/view/spacednos-glinda-gif-17304492732494879737

Very good news

[short laurel]

No. Its investigation was delayed cuz of yoons martial law n his impeachment.

[copper jetty]

Should we get ready for media play though? With BSH article, I won't be surprised if they release something regarding the girls or MHJ to the media again to cover this. Deja vu with BSH being photographed with the BJ actress all over again

[hollow shore]

BSH has always been shady. It is just now catching up. People on reddit are already defending him overtime.

[stable escarp]

Bsh might even use one of his own groups as cover

[copper jetty]

TAG PR working OT. I'm gonna guess it's in that uncensored reddit thread again

[stable escarp]

Ooo thats a good idea. I wanna see the fire in that thread

[copper jetty]

they probably will question is who will it be??? OR who will they be???
I'm gonna watch Dispatch to see if they suddenly release a dating scandal now to cover this. LMAO

[stable escarp]

Well ive js visited the thread and found nuthin when i sorted to new. Tried searching up his name and reddit gave me an error and it wont fix itself

[stable escarp]

Theres no way someone doesnt get thrown under the bus. Ill feel bad if its an innocent person or group

[copper jetty]

Also posting this right here cause this is so funny
https://x.com/Nai_KiwiNWJNS/status/1927738607743209918

THIS 🥝✨ GIRL 🩵 NJZ (@Nai_KiwiNWJNS)

"There is a force" LMFAO

X · May 28, 2025, 2:47 PM

what force is this thing talking about???

[stable escarp]

Watch Dispatch create a fake scandal like what happened with Karina and that guy. Tbh idk if its real or fake but imma js believe its fake

[stable escarp]

Divine retribution

[copper jetty]

idk and honestly dating scandals aren't fans' business. Idk why fans aren't just happy that their idols are happy.

[stable escarp]

Fr. Idk if youve seen but on Karina's post, some fans linked a number on her jacket to politics 💀 People wilding out there

[hollow shore]

for sure there will be some distraction story. Dispatch is always sitting on dating "scandals" to strategically release.

[short laurel]

karina on knets and intl radar right now cuz of her red clothes ig post so that's already covered.

ooh people already mentioned

[rain spade]

Classic fans

[copper jetty]

i don't really keep up with other groups so idk but why?? context please?

[short laurel]

meow and i talked about it in #kpop-chat it's just 1 or 2 scroll up.