NJZ Updates and Discussion

[old cypress]

Gen 5 doesn't exist. Generation is about dominance and current generation for girlgroups is 4th gen led by newjeans, aespa, ive etc. When these groups get replaced by newer more popular groups then we can talk about gen 5

A lot of fans and even companies are eager to claim 5th gen or even 6th gen to make their groups look like the next new thing, the new kpop giant, "game changers" etc

https://youtu.be/wi_FKaZQjRA this is a good take on generations if you have 20minutes to spare

[short laurel]

True. Dominance of gen 3 just ended. It's gen 4 rn. No gen 5 yet

[grizzled summit]

When's the appeal now

[old cypress]

we don't know

[copper jetty]

Not announced yet. I do hope they win but with the profile of that one judge

[bitter prism]

Who's that one judge

[upbeat stream]

I actually agree but then 4th gen didn't become dominant until late 2021

Everyone considers itzy debut to be start of 4th gen but until 2021, 4th gen was very much in the shadows of the 3rd

[copper jetty]

It was mentioned at this chat. Very close relation to Kim and Chang.

[bitter prism]

Mhm, aight thanks

[old cypress]

itzy is late 3rd gen. They stopped charting a while ago

you can call them gen 3.5 along with izone and others

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, I like this approach to generations, where it changes only when the next one becomes dominant. But that's not how most people see it, and these things are more about consensus than anything else. For the longest time, I refused to think of idle too as 4th gen, but then everyone else was doing so, and that's how it is

It's the same issue with pre-releases. Kpop stans are convinced pre-relases are not singles, you can argue all you want, they won't listen

[old cypress]

Fans will say whatever fit their bias. If you're a babymonster fan you'll say that baemon is 5th gen so you don't have to compare with aespa and njz and brag about your group being the best of its generation

Industry insiders are much more objective on these matters. It always take years before people let go of their biases and agree about generations. I've seen it again and again

[upbeat stream]

That's literally it. Every group that debuted after newjeans gets destroyed if you compare them to newjeans. So people created 5th gen lol

[old cypress]

yeah and companies do the same thing as well

[upbeat stream]

At least from 3rd to 4th, there was a transition year where no major groups debuted (Wanna One did, but they are a project group, so it's a bit different). With 4th to 5th, it's continuous. People just decided to draw a line beneath njz and called it end of 4th gen

[old cypress]

It has always been this way. People claimed IOI was 4th gen (they debuted a year after Twice) then they claimed WJSN was 4th gen, then Loona then izone then itzy

[hoary frost]

but itzy genuinely feels like where 4th gen started to me

[old cypress]

they debuted 3 months after izone and izone is very clearly 3rd gen while ive lsfm etc are 4th gen. Itzy charted high at first and quickly lost the public. They lost most of their popularity with the arrival of 4th gen groups like aespa. Nmixx is currently charting much better than itzy. Itzy's style is also reminiscent of 3rd gen rather than 4th gen.

Btw everglow and cherry bullet debuted along with itzy and they're both clearly 3rd gen.

[hoary frost]

But itzy debut decent years after the big 3 gg twice, and I would never count them in same group as groups like twice, blackpink, red velvet etc. after their debut i feel alot of groups inspired by them came out like weekly, stayc etc...that sort of bright teen concept became popular. and i mean them losing chart doesn't really have to do with aespa or new groups...full story is quite different

i would count new gen when new groups start making impact etc..

i checked wiki and groups like gidle, itzy, txt, skz, ateez were debuting during this 2018-2019 and i would not really ever put them into 3rd gen box personally....kpop was clearly entering new era during this time and groups were newly establishing themselves
group like loona,izone is what i would call 3.5 gen

[old cypress]

Boygroups are different since they last longer. Gidle is definitely gen 3. We can discuss further but this is njz thread so I'm gonna stop here

[heady gate]

This sub became a k-pop chat.

[hollow sorrel]

not really here's a video breaking it down:
https://x.com/_hyeinn/status/1858635154815938989

ashley (@_hyeinn) on X

The original sampling for ETA by NewJeans

X · Nov 18, 2024, 10:15 PM

250 combined not one, but 2 samples for ETA in very innovative way that changed the pitch of the original song to get that "hey" effect

[waxen musk]

This talk irritates me a little because it is a sample I had already heard before ETA, it's very old.
Plus the continued talk about how the whole industry is "copying NewJeans", while somewhat valid, is not the point of the whole claims of plagiarism coming from within HYBE itself, and is muddying the important discussion.

[waxen musk]

Yeah lol. Anyway this BELIFT stuff on Friday should hopefully get things back on track. I'm too eager to hear any details to hopefully clear up the truth of what is going on.

[old cypress]

gnarly is keeping kpop twitter busy for the rest of the week

[waxen musk]

It's whole situation pretty entertaining tbh.

[stoic heron]

guys just a little question, in a multiverse where njz don't win the main trial, what will happen to the girls? 🤔

[waxen musk]

I think it'll be like the situation right now, but lasting until 2029. I'm not too sure.

[stoic heron]

hmm ok thanks

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1917592719733710937

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250430 Sheepymcsheep (@​sheepymcsheepy) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1917592719733710937
"This digital content is a video that deals with the dispute between HYBE and NewJeans"

So this wrecker, KBS, acknowledges that:
A. Hybe is behind the direction of the malicious video
B. Hybe and Fraudor are the same entity— something that judge Kim Sang-hoon "missed" entirely

[craggy skiff]

Yes. Lmao.
Even if its obviously but we dont have any legit claim that they did wrong things, keep scream about people copy us only make more hate and give hater the reason to make noise

[old cypress]

https://x.com/globalvcha/status/1917650658884476967 not really njz but relevant. There's a 132 pages document of KG talking about her mistreatment at jype, with evidence. You can check quote tweets if you're not willing to read through the doc

VCHA GLOBAL (@globalvcha) on X

KG has submitted her evidence to the court today and has shared the information with the public.

( sensitive content warning)
#VCHA #vlights

X · Apr 30, 2025, 6:41 PM

Stuff like this is precisely why njz and mhj need to succeed and set new standards in terms of how idols should be managed

[subtle matrix]

How are they acknowledging that "hybe is behind the direction of the malicious video"? 🤔

[stuck roost]

wait if njz win the main court case do they still have to pay fees

[old cypress]

there's no acknowledgment yeah

[old cypress]

No they don't since the contract will be considered terminated

[grizzled summit]

Hii any updates

[wary creek]

right?? it's not about plagiarism, it's about internal competition and hybe setting up njz to fail

[cinder narwhal]

GUYS

[empty halo]

what
the
fuck

[waxen musk]

What the hell that's so scary.

Is there any relation to those leaked creepy images from the dorm after their departure?

[thick glade]

Isn't this after they moved out?? What would be left to steal? That's hella scary wtf

[cinder narwhal]

you never know what could have been left behind

these creeps will take anything

[stuck roost]

So what happens if they don’t win the case

[heady gate]

It is said that NewJeans had already moved out of the dormitory in November last year after terminating their contract with ADOR.

The fun part is "According to the police investigation, Mr. A had also trespassed into the dormitory three days earlier, on December 18. He reportedly discovered then that the dormitory door was not locked and later returned once more before stealing the items."

[hollow sorrel]

a lot of people saying this is proof of ador failing to protect them, is that true? can they use this in the main trial somehow?

[short laurel]

And ador thoroughly checked the dorms after girls left at night with camera with pics shared online. So what this mr A stole probably belongs to ador

[wary creek]

that's wild!

[grizzled summit]

Fighting with antis on twitter is hurting my brain omg

[hoary frost]

those brainless people make me feel smart ☠️

[copper jetty]

hi guys. Haven't popped in here in like a while... Is there anything going down in the next couple of days?

[wary creek]

keep up the good fight

[shrewd badger]

Most of them don't listen to logic or reason at all 😭 even if you prove them wrong

[cinder verge]

is this tweet factual https://x.com/pannchoa/status/1917947150098420153?s=46&t=6Te6HiJlKHZpNJ8OJ7KFgg

pannchoa (@pannchoa) on X

Male sasaeng in his 20's trespassed NewJeans' dorms multiple times after their leave + Previous news about ADOR staff going into NewJeans' dorm with a body cam turns out to be fabricated
https://t.co/20ffZv3dQk

X · May 1, 2025, 2:20 PM

[upbeat stream]

It was reported by ilgan, not some online gossip. If fake, why didn't ador deny it at the time?

[sly python]

panchoa is not a credible/reliable source

i'd keep that in mind when seeing their posts

[short laurel]

Why the h people blaming the girls. Also didn't hybe confirm that they checked the dorms after girls left?

[storm warren]

they did lmfao. they are mixing two occasions on purpose

someone did broke in and hybe staff also checked w body cams

https://x.com/njzbubblegum/status/1917820350089552285

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM) on X

And this sasaeng used the same profile picture as TB and entered Lee Jin-ho's YouTube livestream, introducing himself by saying "I am a sasaeng," and among the numerous real-time comments on Lee Jin-ho's livestream, only this comment was cleanly captured and is being circulated.

X · May 1, 2025, 5:56 AM

https://x.com/njzbubblegum/status/1917818248915218761

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM) on X

GP999 Incels, including Sniper22 and aespannjeans, are trying to tarnish NewJeans fans' image by claiming that a NewJeans fan broke into NewJeans' dorm, but this is actually their staged plot.

X · May 1, 2025, 5:47 AM

hybe demons working hard

[short laurel]

Can u share the source. I wanna check if hybe really confirmed it or it was media who said it's reported that hybe employees checked.

[hollow sorrel]

the only thing I don’t get is how the doors were unlocked??
they started moving out after the contract termination 3-4 weeks prior to all this and I doubt they would just leave the doors unlocked

[short laurel]

Cuz if it was just media then unfortunately hybe can claim they didn't check n it'll hold more credibility

[short laurel]

If hybe employees checked the dorms n since this stalker came on the dame day. It's hybe's employees who left it open probably during checking. It's possible they left on break n come back to continue checking n stalker come in during that break time. I m just making assumptions here based on "hybe confirmed they checked dorms"

[waxen musk]

https://x.com/TokkiLoops/status/1918061012366049418

. (@TokkiLoops) on X

MHJ vs. BELIFT at 4pm

-Each side will be allowed to present twice with a 30-minute time limit per presentation

X · May 1, 2025, 9:52 PM

[icy otter]

will njz be there tmr

[waxen musk]

No

[bronze jetty]

http://m.tvdaily.co.kr/article.php?aid=17461389971748929010#_PA - mhj vs belift hearing delayed to july 18th

[waxen musk]

What? We literally had a expected time for today. How can they delay something so last minute?

Anyway schedule has been updated again: #1231839760759263232 message

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UPCOMING:

• Awaiting injunction appeal court date
• May 2 - MHJ's third hearing against Belift DELAYED to July 18
• May 26 - MHJ vs Employee B second hearing
• May 30 – MHJ’s second hearing against Source Music
• June 5 - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial second hearing
• June 12 - MHJ’s third hearing for the shareholders' agreement
• July 18 - MHJ's third hearing against Belift

OLD:

• March 7 - Injunction hearing
• March 14 - Deadline for submission of evidence after March 7 injunction hearing
• March 14 – MHJ’s second hearing against Source Music. DELAYED to May 30
• March 17 - MHJ vs Employee B
• March 21 - Injunction granted
• April 3 – ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial first hearing
• April 9 - Injunction objection hearing
• April 16 - Injunction objection not granted
• April 17 – MHJ’s second hearing for the shareholders' agreement
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[waxen musk]

First Source now Belift...

Did we find out what caused the Source delay in March?

[old cypress]

hybe probably wants to bankrupt mhj by delaying trials again and again

sejong lawyer fees add up

[rancid falcon]

I was curious if this was being discussed here. in other servers people are being so weird saying they don't think KG's evidence is good and etc. so annoying

[ornate zephyr]

anyone know where the tweet threads about the upcoming trials are

including the specific judges who are sitting on the case

[old cypress]

yikes that's insane

[rancid falcon]

ugh I know.

it's ||redacted||
dunno how people can be such dedicated bootlickers. I don't understand the kneejerk impulse to be pulling for the big corporation

[old cypress]

oh I know why then, they want a comeback that's why. A lot of kpop fans don't care about the artists and just want to be entertained

[rancid falcon]

sigh. true. imagine being such a brain-dead monster

[old cypress]

if KG wins vcha is done and they won't get their comeback and stupid lollapalooza feature

There are tokkis like that too but thankfully a minority

[rancid falcon]

I understand kids not understanding but their mods give off middle-aged man vibes

so even more gross if that's the motivation. sigh

[tribal sand]

wait she took it to court frfr??

sorry its been a hot second since i last heard of her..all i remember is that she left the group because of mistreatment of members if im correct?

[frozen granite]

How can they keep doing this? Can the judge do/say something?

[icy otter]

bruh

[copper jetty]

Lmao belift plagiarize so bad they even copy SouMu's delaying tactics. 💀

[frozen granite]

Can they keep doing that for years or what?

[empty halo]

Yes she did! She filed a lawsuit against JYP USA in the US itself alleging child labour exploitation, child neglect and abuse, unfair business practices and breaching a contract too I think. She also recently released a 132 page long decoration that she submitted to the court which has a lot of text messages/evidence too

rooting for her

[copper jetty]

Honestly, I don't know. It depends on the judge and the court. Also I hope the people actually criticize this. They're wasting the court and the judge's time... It's such a waste of taxpayer's money, and instead of them reviewing actually important court cases they're taking the time to actually review "KPOP plagiarism" cases. smdh.

[short laurel]

There's no limit to how much they can afaik but it's upto court to accept delays based on the reason given. N too much n court will just consider the delaying party have nothing to submit. Atleast that what i heard about

[copper jetty]

but the thing is, how much is too much? I don't trust the court in korea. I feel that if the people don't criticize what Hybe is doing they'll keep doing what they're doing.

[hollow sorrel]

omg they are the worst

I was so excited to finally see the end of this lawsuit, because I think this would have been the last hearing and they delay it…

not to mention ILLIT will have a comeback in June so maybe they will try to see how that performs and use it in court or idk

[frozen granite]

I was thinking that too. Belift can say “see, illit’s comeback concept is nothing like NewJeans”

[short laurel]

DW they won't be able to delay next hearing, they might delay tge one after that though who knows

[short laurel]

New cb doesn't matter when case involves the debut stuff.

[hollow sorrel]

Idk how the law would work in this case but I hope mhj’s side can claim that this lawsuit was filed before the comeback and delayed later so they shouldn’t take that comeback into consideration

[short laurel]

Case is not about plagiarism anyways

[frozen granite]

Oh ok that’s good to know

[frozen granite]

What is it about again ? I can’t recall there’s so much lawsuits going on

[short laurel]

Defamation n something

[copper jetty]

There's so many cases that it's kind of hard to keep track of what's everything about.

[empty halo]

• belift labs filed a criminal complaint against Min Heejin for defamation and interference with business
• Min Heejin filed a counter lawsuit against belift alleging defamation

today was supposed to be the second hearing for belift's lawsuit against mhj and it was delayed

I don't think mhj's counter lawsuit has a date scheduled for a hearing yet

[storm warren]

It is merged

[copper jetty]

Is Hybe actually avoiding any ruling that could affect hybe's chances on winning the lawsuit against the girls?? Could be right? Plus MHJ paying Sejeong more for the delay would burden her more financially.

As days go by we're actually seeing more the reason why Hybe really sued MHJ. It's all just SLAP. If they were really that confident, this would be over and done. But then again, they might still be trying to find evidences against her... Though after a year of finding nothing, I don't know if they ever will find anything.

I JUST WANT THIS TO END!!! I want my Family to come back already.

[empty halo]

ohh okay noted

Im not as shocked about the delay as I am about the fact that it's been delayed to JULY. What reason could've possibly warranted such a long break?????

are the fucking lawyers on hiatus or something

[empty halo]

that could be possible bc a win for mhj could put nwjns at an advantage right

[copper jetty]

Same. That's like 2 months from now. What possible reason could they have for it to be THAT long? i can't think of anything. I don't think it's because of a group comeback. I mean if that's the logic, then since they say they're that confident in the case, winning would help with the comeback.

It's like a free publicity

[empty halo]

not only is it publicity/attention if they were confident it'd be positive attention. Belift's initial claim was that mhj's controversial claims made illit underperform. Your win against her would be positive pr for them too?? Its all 𝔅𝔲𝔩𝔩𝔰𝔥𝔦𝔱 they want to drain her finances and they have nothing in their hands against her

I sure hope mhj has a lot of money in her bank account bc this is just the beginning of all the delays and brainrot

she has 5 ongoing lawsuits with HYBE/HYBE subsidiaries and they're all gonna pull similar tactics she better be RICH rich

[hollow sorrel]

even if they delay the rulings of mhj vs belift ILLIT’s plagiarism is going to be brought up during the main trial sooner or later

[copper jetty]

I hope she wins her case with the put option, that is one of her main cases if i remember. That could help her in the long run. Also, if I remember correctly, isn't she forbidden to sell her house or something? I hope her connections actually come through here and her savings.

[mild mist]

I think hybe's tactic is just to delay and try to starve her out

[empty halo]

but at the same time if she wins a lawsuit then she gains money

and billions of won at that

[copper jetty]

Also didn't she win defamation lawsuits with some of those online incels?

[empty halo]

imagine ur win on ur first lawsuit funding ur second one

[empty halo]

yes 4 individuals were ordered to pay her

[copper jetty]

And i thought at least one of this would be over today. smdh...

[empty halo]

tbh idk what Min Heejin is like as a person and I don't care I just really need her to win bc it boosts nwjns reputation and chances and also any win against HYBE is good

[storm warren]

what excuse did belift use to delay it

[empty halo]

they havent given any reason

[storm warren]

i saw someone said they did not prepare second ppt which was about overall branding

[empty halo]

also belift accused mhj of delaying proceedings bc her team was unprepared in November 2024???

nah this shit is crazy I rlly hope her team accuses them of the same thing publicly just to be petty

[empty halo]

no official reasoning has been disclosed to the public so it's all speculation but it's probably bc theyre empty im assuming

[copper jetty]

them being incompetent nincompoops for not finishing it is not the court's or their opponent's fault.

if that really was the reason, Why in the world the judge allowed that delay blows my mind.

[hollow sorrel]

they were given 2,5 months for that ughhh
now we have to wait another 2,5 months ...

[copper jetty]

Same. I thought this would at least be the start of how everything will be over. Like slowly but surely. Wth belift.

[storm warren]

corrupt

[copper jetty]

well yeah... that's why i said that people should criticize this since they're wasting tax payer's money.

[mild mist]

Don't look at me I never did anything

[old cypress]

They probably just came up with some technical bullshit that forces the judge to delay

[wary creek]

hybe has big funds for lawyers so delaying is a good tactic (assuming it's hybe that is delaying the hearing)

[old cypress]

they've been doing that, bury mhj with long expensive lawsuits until she gives up

[stiff prairie]

why did they delay this time?

another group has cb or smth?

[copper jetty]

reason was not specified

[craggy skiff]

not much. it's around 100$ per incel if I remember correctly

[empty halo]

bro thats nothing

4 of them were ordered to pay 50k-100k won, which is 34-68 dollars 💀

[short laurel]

Date of hearing depends on court. So 2 months delay most likely on court. Question is for what reason belift or mhj delayed it. We are assuming belift applied for delay. But there's always possibility Of mhj doing so too.

[craggy skiff]

some said that for prevent negative impact to illit's comeback but who know

[storm warren]

articles specified that plaintiff delayed it

[storm warren]

there is 1.5 months before their cb, it makes zero sense

[short laurel]

So belift? Was reason given?

[storm warren]

no

https://m.mk.co.kr/amp/11307091

[empty halo]

a single hearing with 30 minutes on both sides to present their arguments would not affect their cb

also if the comebacks in mid June and the hearings in July it would literally collide with promotions making it a worse time, that reason's definitely off the table

[bronze talon]

ofc we dont know the exact reason and its just theoretically atp but to me this sounds like they could have been in trouble aka didnt have much to present or proof against her

im probably wrong tho

[storm warren]

is it possible they wanted to figure our what mhj would present so they could take counter measures and get extra prep time ?

[empty halo]

how would they figure out what she would present by delaying a hearing

[storm warren]

no idea. i assume they discuss w judge what they have to present

[bronze talon]

eh

[empty halo]

they actually claimed in the first hearing that they'll show clips to prove something about choreos not being similar. I think thats literally all they have and they may have realised their arguments are just kinda weak against the 1000 pages mhj's side submitted

[empty halo]

I think this might be it

[bronze talon]

i mean if the presentations back then to show what illit should be about and slides are basically saying the same as njz then its kinda cooked
first what do you prove against that and then everything from choreo to their design of albums and stuff

[empty halo]

and the main thing
that "7 year plan"

she has evidence that belift was provided (i think)

oh yeah she provided evidence in court that belift was given newjeans project proposal

idk about any of the other mhj lawsuits but belift is cooked in this one ahaha

[old cypress]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1918206156927070402 basically

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Ever since this whole war between HYBE and Min Hee-jin/NJZ started, anyone with even a few working brain cells can tell what’s going on—HYBE and its cronies are clearly doing everything in their power to tear down and destroy both MHJ and NJZ. From the relentless media assault,

X · May 2, 2025, 7:29 AM

I didn't know mhj couldn't sell her house. I thought she sold it

[bronze talon]

imo a kinda dumb "lie" id call it from her back then if it was intended then
but the only reason i can understand it to show what she would do for newjeans so they and her included break free from this

i mean who wants to work under such conditions and clauses
2 months for an album and then you cant even decide in what direction nj will go
if you ask me id def also would NOT want that lol

[copper jetty]

She was gonna sell it but Employee B actually hindered that. Something with their case prevents her from selling it. So i hope she has savings and other things that could get her the money she needs. Hybe is literally just draining her financially.

[old cypress]

yeah I missed that info. It's really tough

[copper jetty]

I just hope this finishes already. I'm kind of burnt out with every little misinformation that's out there right now. Also, just when we thought this is going to be the start of things being cleared out through legal means, Belift is now delaying it. smdh.

I want NJZ back.

[hollow sorrel]

I've read somewhere that mhj is in the top36 richest women in south korea who are not related to chaebols so I don't think we need to worry about her financials lol

[old cypress]

it was the top richest stockholders and she was in the top 417 not top 36. And it was because her ADOR stock. But now since she got fired, her put option hasn't been exercised yet and she doesn't have that money

[hollow sorrel]

yeahh I just looked and it was stockholder mb

[vale grove]

When is the next date we should look out for? I don’t really wanna keep super updated but I wanna know when the most important news pops out

[storm warren]

May 26, May 30, June 5

[short laurel]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffbenjamin/2025/04/30/lee-soo-man-king-of-k-pop-documentary-examines-a-legendary-k-pop-legacy/
Bang must be jealous

[copper jetty]

I mean HE IS the OG creator of KPOP so I would maybe associate him with "Father of KPOP" rather than King but i'd rather have him that than BSH.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/njzbase/status/1918440423045140618

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250502 NJZ Base (@​njzbase) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/njzbase/status/1918440423045140618
KBS, a large media outlet, issues apology for spreading misinformation against NewJeans

In their statement, they also clarified that Haerin and her parents are fully united in their stance

🔗 https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/entertainment/k-pop/20250502/kbs-apologizes-pulls-video-over-iq-based-escape-phrase-in-newjeans-thumbnail

[fathom canopy]

Apology not accepted

[cinder verge]

whats going on in the njz vs hybe world rn guys i havent been tapped in sorry

[marsh roost]

nothing

[copper jetty]

Yeah nothing. What was supposed to happen yesterday didn't happen.

[wary creek]

just wondering, is it confirmed that mhj submitted 1000 pages or are people just saying mhj submitted a lot?

btw dang it's crazy that i'm starting to see these bot youtube channel videos on my feed now too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP-gejR79aw

[hoary frost]

they keep on coming on my feed too despite I click not interested each time

[empty halo]

nope it's not unverified rumours, credible Korean media coverage on the court proceedings claimed that her team submitted around 1000 pages of evidence which included whistleblower stories, emails of her trying to fix the issues internally etc

[wary creek]

niceee

[wary creek]

freakin ai being used for botting. Everything in this channel is ai generated.

[empty halo]

the internet is so cooked

[topaz meadow]

#newjeans-chat message

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[topaz meadow]

check this thread but i cant rly post everything here cuz its slow mode

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1918887624418132342

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250504 webelieveingwarosa (@​webelieveinbots) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/webelieveinbots/status/1918887624418132342
Did Hybe lie to investors that #NJZ was coming back?
In this article the reporter states the information received from IBK’s (IBK investment & securities is an investment firm that also predicts companies’ performances to support investment decisions for its clients and for its own portfolio management) report and prediction that #Hybe’s second quarter wasn’t going to stagger like the first one, later saying that this was because BTS and NJZ were coming back, now:
-When asked if the members of bts were coming back in 2025 Hybe’s CEO answered that the members need more time
-NJZ is not even in the company and are firm in not returning
So what is this? Lying to shareholders and investors? Is Hybe that desperate or has the reporter distorted IBK’s report completely?
(https://t.co/f6Re5Fl3aS)

[thorny knot]

oop i smell more lawsuits against hybe

[hollow sorrel]

can HYBE release a remix album like the NewJeans Winter Mix??? does that count as a comeback

[stuck roost]

https://youtu.be/JD99oP26Ils?si=XHok2q3j85n0uBu1

this video should be watched by any mf hating on hanni icl

[grizzled summit]

When's the appeal

[cinder narwhal]

yeah they should release a remix/reimagined album by bang pd

shit would slap

[copper jetty]

This is recent? Saw the date as today lmao. How is NJ going to release music in the 2nd quarter when NewJeans aren't even in Ador right now?? Is Hybe on crack? I need what they're smoking.

Idk if the girls recorded anything regarding NJ1, I don't think they did but if it's the NJWMX 2.0, I don't think it would count since that would be just remixes of old music right??

[storm warren]

its just poor financial/market research report

its not from hybe, but IBK investment firm, which I guess did awful job

[copper jetty]

It is an awful job. But since it's a financial research, I still think they got their statistics and information like release schedule from the company themselves. Like how would they know that NJ and BTS is gonna make a comeback in the 2nd quarter aside from it coming from the company?

Or is their "research" all from speculation and such??

[short laurel]

with not all member out of military yet, having a cb in 2nd quarter already seems rushed for bts.

remaining members will be out in june, that's the last month of 2nd quarter.

[copper jetty]

I actually didn't really mind BTS on that article but i just saw a post on X right now which says that article makes them (BTS) sound like they're going straight from military to inkigayo.
Made me laugh

[short laurel]

Even q3 is rushed to me. Q4 is when bts should be doing cb. Unless hybe just make them be puppets n prepare everything be4 hand themselves like usual kpop ig. Only then can i c a cb in q3

[copper jetty]

Even if hybe does that I'll bet they'll say, oh the members were working on it during hiatus and they were already planning it blah blah blah.

So if they do cb on that quarter I'm not gonna be surprised.

[short laurel]

Actually everyone already saying that including people here. It's not 1st time this topic was discussed here

Would be disappointing if members still not have enough control in what they make even after all these years n reach. Well it seems they not have going by all that's going On with their fandom

[copper jetty]

See. Most of us is already expecting it. Plus hybe needs its' cash cow.
They've released 2 earning reports now that's not too good. Releasing a third one isn't ideal for their investors.

[copper jetty]

Really? I would've thought they have since v opted to work with mhj and Hybe didn't say anything.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/SuperiaShy/status/1918914613569057219

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250504 Siperia 🍯🐝 (@​SuperiaShy) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/SuperiaShy/status/1918914613569057219
“major IPs are scheduled to be actively promoted starting in Q2, including the comeback of BTS as a full group and the release of a new album by NewJeans” ?????? Let go of them 😭

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/bammi057/status/1918975625555067179

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250504 yb🐰 (@​bammi057) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/bammi057/status/1918975625555067179
HYBE BOTS TIKTOK!!!

I posted on tiktok about HYBE telling investers that Newjeans is releasing an album.

Account with 0 followers commented that HYBE is planning a comeback but the members announcing their hiatus is “hindering” the plans because they don’t want to be active.

[subtle matrix]

Just hybe posturing obviously

They have to look like they're actually working towards making new newjeans music

[short laurel]

For team. V was solo.

[short laurel]

Plus that's the only way a cb in q2 n q3 possible

[copper jetty]

That's true, but wait, aren't that group already producing and writing all of their songs??

[short laurel]

If they are then cb is possible only in q4 if they rush.

Or maybe RM jin n jhope has started working on it already then it's possible in q3

but Q2 is impossible. Even if they have music prepared, they'll have to record them n shoot mv then there's editing. No way that can be done in around 2 weeks they'll have after getting discharged from the military. Be4 q2 ends

[sage fulcrum]

Maybe AI thing

[copper jetty]

Well we don't know really what's their true cb schedule. Remember I think their was an article before saying a cb schedule for 2nd half of this year with that group. It's inevitable that they're going to do a cb, what we only know for sure is that it's this year. The one we should be questioning is the NJ one on that article. It's weird. Idk how that marketing research assumed that NJ's gonna be releasing anything anytime soon.

I kinda want their optimism and what they're smoking when they wrote that.

[short laurel]

From shareholders prospective both should be important since they claim both will have cb in q2 which is not possible 😅

[copper jetty]

True. But they have a point.. hybe didn't release that report. It's from a third party. Now, for a market/ financial research, how they got those datas for the cb schedule is beyond me. Speculation, maybe, though if it is, if they got it from media speculations, idk how cause I don't see any articles mentioning NJ comeback anytime soon anywhere. Practically, every media is saying that their cb ain't gonna be happening unless they win the injunction (which hybe shouldn't care cause by that point NJZ won't be with them) or NJZ win the lawsuit and that's going to take years hence the injunction.

[short laurel]

Where they get speculation for either of 2 groups is beyond anyone. They probably looking at some alternate universe

[copper jetty]

And that is why I want what they're smoking. Seems to be pretty strong.

[compact creek]

[lost violet]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-dog-white-dog-scared-meme-gif-23585947

[short laurel]

I always wondered why no one brought up this point. Whenever I tried to, I usually got ignored. Finally, someone brought it.

[hoary frost]

Yeah like I was saying. Kpop fans don't actually care about anything they talk about, like better treatment of artists, mental health, artistic freedom etc. They are actually the exact same people they are mad at. Why do they talk about Knets when they do the same thing. Just selectively token pick things. They would talk about hate trains etc. But they are the first ones to do everything they accuse others of.

They would never blame a corporation or the people behind it. All they can do is the subversive (lol) act of blaming random young ladies.

You should notice almost all their target r women too. Like have you seen any ceo attacked and scandalized like MHJ is?You can background check a CEO like YG. Actually these ceos are left off the hook and celebrated.

Btw good to see so many people with sense in the comment section of this video.

[short laurel]

Yg is most disgusting man. Yet no one hating him even 1% of hate mhj get.
Jyp gets praised everywhere ppl call him goat.
Lsm too is praised.
They are all disgusting with yg being the worst of the worst.

[hoary frost]

mhj didnt even do a fraction of the things these people did

[short laurel]

all cuz "how dare mhj treat idols like humans and not like objects"

[leaden thistle]

i nearly read that wrong, imagine ppl keep saying this but inversely all the time

i would nvr catch a single reason of why they hate on the side a lot, even influenced others and more to stand on the same side

[short laurel]

people want idols to constantly pump put content. so much that it's no different from treating idols like machines, without giving them rest. so people do say this just in words like "give us content"

there are tokkies who hated mhj cuz newjeans didn't made new releases as often and they she marketed the group.

[leaden thistle]

this is a rlly great attitude, allround supportive, yet ppl get blinded by only "fairs", every group must be treated fair

"damn omg this group so good, must be overrated, nah pick me, oh damn overdancing", like what kind of fair those fandom wants? the groups just perform and grows the population of the categories called KPOP as well, why ppl would ever hate on the same categories inside

[hoary frost]

This is what some tokkis are saying. they should return because they want new music.

Like they don't see them as real people. morelike dolls

[short laurel]

recent ones are mostly from bots and anti's but some real people joining in.

[hoary frost]

Yeah i think there are still real people holding sentiment. because this is how kpop fans are. but ofc there r alot who r bots

[leaden thistle]

thats the reason why them the toxic fandoms were ruining every new groups nowadays

[short laurel]

if only people diversify if they like kpop so much, diversifying even just within kpop will give them so much content they not have to stick to just 1 group and demand them to be over worked.

it will help everyone

but multi stanning is called being fake fan

[leaden thistle]

imagine hatin on groups, boyco*ing on groups/idols, how can ppl say they like kpop when they did this

[hoary frost]

Kpop group stanning feels insanely tribalistic

[leaden thistle]

"yo chat i like kpop, fk this group that group but this group better" rlly wish they get the hell out of this kpop rings

[hoary frost]

anyway even if other groups don't catch your attention. probably best to get other hobbies than kpop.

[leaden thistle]

agree, the group didnt catch ur expectation, then stfu and get lost, like those tiktokers, nearly aged 30 40 still talk shit like that, imagine posting like they control everything, even share hates wow

while they hate spreading also spreads misinfomations, pathetic actions to do so, even blaming everything single thing on mhj

[subtle matrix]

It is and the industry itself promotes it

That's why trying to make arguments like @short laurel mentioned here #1231839760759263232 message always fall on deaf ears

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I always wondered why no one brought up this point. Whenever I tried to, I usually got ignored. Finally, someone brought it.
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[subtle matrix]

Because a lot of kpop fans simply don't care about what happens to members of other groups

They'll say the industry needs to change and they need to protect artists when they're talking about their faves

But then they'll turn around and say X can't sing and Y is a bitch and Z is fat

I can kinda understand how it got this bad because like I said the industry promotes competition with all the award shows and stuff, what I cannot understand is why kpop fans tend to be so entitled and angry about everything lol. Like reading the "gnarly" reactions it feels like so many kpop fans feel offended whenever a group releases a song they don't like. Like bruh just don't listen to it

[hoary frost]

im pretty sure the song was intended to be polarizing

[bronze talon]

it overall feels like this whole industry is purposely making you do or say things you normally wouldnt say to others or elsewhere (not always but yk)
a lot of them are in this idol/group stanning boat bc they have some problem with themselves going on, usually and especially the outspeaking type of people on the internet (well i mostly just wanna mention those groups of people)

it kinda always has been about this opinion battle online which in the end does not matter at all
usually it ends up at people that arent aware of anything that just get told opinions by others about this group. maybe this makes new people turn away an eye from this specific group but for me i always make my own opinion (when it comes to music(production))

[hoary frost]

but do they even care about their faves is the question. if it stops from more content

[subtle matrix]

They want to protect their faves (as long as their faves still outperform the other groups they don't like)

[bronze talon]

basically

[short laurel]

fromis i heard had alot of online content. just not enough music releases. 1 member spoke up about it and just when fromis got some rest from online content, people brought up that member's words and started demanding cb.
i heard this from fromis fans.

[subtle matrix]

Yeah but what about kpop fandom specifically makes it so fans feel compelled to comment on something regardless of if it's good or bad

[short laurel]

i think someone did mention this here too

[hoary frost]

tbf its fair to give opinion on songs

[short laurel]

constructive criticism is fine. but many opinions are straight up hate.

[bronze talon]

forgot to mention
with the everything companies do its also rly intentional to hook as many people as possible to become too parasocial that they would do and say everything for and about their fav group to make them look better than others, its normal atp that you wanna support your favs as much as possible which in the end just hurts yourself if it becomes too much or you left your own life behind for them
afterall you dont depend on any of these idols or people

[subtle matrix]

I'm not saying you can't give your opinion on a song I just don't understand why so many people feel like they have to

[hoary frost]

but most were katseye fans. the song is just really jarring

[hoary frost]

i rather ppl give opinion on song than engage in fanwars. kpop being about music is for the best

[subtle matrix]

90% of the "constructive criticism" I see about kpop is just thinly veiled hate

[short laurel]

it is.

[short laurel]

i've yet to listen to it. but i m talking about in general. not just kateyes song.

[hoary frost]

yea but i just dont think opinion about music releases goes into this category tbh

[bronze talon]

its stuff like this

just basically hinting at: hey my fav did this. did yours do that too?

some passive aggressive hate question imo
maybe im delusional about this but idk feels like it

like
your fav could never type of shit

[short laurel]

like it's fine to say they not like say gnarly cuz according to people song was just bad.
but people saying hybe boy is bad just cuz they not like it and keep saying everything about it is bad everywhere they can is the kind of opinion most kpoppies give online.

[bronze talon]

i made my own opinion about it
its unique
not something i would listen to, too harsh. not for me aka didnt like it much

[subtle matrix]

It's fine to say you don't like a song
It's a little bit weird if you're spending days clowning a song you don't like

[bronze talon]

ye

[hoary frost]

well issue is that those kpop fans probably just saying cause of personal dislike

[short laurel]

it happens in kpop way too much.

[bronze talon]

normal atp

[short laurel]

i don't c it as muchh in jpop. i c it alot in kpop. idk much about netizens reaction on western music.

[bronze talon]

people in the west just shit on the artist itself mostly
doesnt happen with songs a lot

[wary creek]

companies sometimes provide overly optimistic reports to the point it seems almost like fraud

still waiting on that full self driving car from tesla

[old cypress]

they don't even care about their own faves, they'd rather see idols enslaved if it means more comebacks and content. I've seen it again and again. Vcha being the most recent example

[cinder narwhal]

*x https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1918960563087884611

[harsh dove]

@Liasshy <t:1746350825:d>

[cinder narwhal]

what is this? is it standard bullshit from lia

[hoary frost]

what part are you questioning

[cinder narwhal]

where are these credits posted and are they real or user uploaded

[hoary frost]

I think this might be from genius...doesnt look like it confirmed anywhere. Am trying to see a source

https://genius.com/albums/Newjeans/Njz1

[cinder narwhal]

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shoutout to sniper, aespannjeans, tenasia, and the rest

[thorny knot]

the one case where it's ok to mention them lol

[short laurel]

nice to c there's a kdrama on this issue.

[clear hill]

Does anyone know if Minji actually posted that graffiti saying I hate you on a private account or was that just made up/fake?

[thorny knot]

considering the the stuff on minji's private account was already leaked, anything new is fake, prob hybe trying to frame her as a bad person

[vale grove]

The graffiti was real! I feel like this was an act of defiance on her part. While she obviously didn’t do the graffiti herself I can see her photographing it being her form of silent protest. Although you’re right about people using it to use minji in a bad light. They will always attempt to make her look bad

[red thorn]

That graffiti was internet sensation thing, it was on National Assembly pillar

[wary creek]

where can i see this graffiti post?

[vale grove]

It’s deleted since she took down her account but I’m pretty sure you can look it up online

[steep torrent]

its nothing special

[wise wagon]

kpop news channels on youtube have a lot of nerve deciding to upload anti njs videos during minji's birthday

[heady gate]

It is clickbait. They need to make money on YT.

[copper jetty]

Yow I heard about lee jin ho and that hybe attorney ko sang rok got involved in something and now fbi is included in the investigation with kpolice?? I wonder if they'll uncover things too if that's investigated.

[subtle matrix]

What's this about?

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/NJZBUBBLEGUM/status/1919996971227472067?t=gJUMd3RdbSxeA7JNWMVl7w&s=33

. (@NJZBUBBLEGUM) on X

According to HoVerLab(a.k.a. GaSeYeon)'s recent expose, yellow journalist Lee Jin-ho and YouTube lawyer Ko Sang-rok were allegedly involved in threatening and attempting a contract killing of a whistleblower connected to the late actress Kim Sae-ron's side.

X · May 7, 2025, 6:05 AM

They did it in Jersey and now the fbi's involved

[waxen musk]

Contract killing as in hiring a hitman? What the actual fuck.

I saw Minji say the girls have been doing some dance practice. Of course this doesn't necessarily mean they're practising their own songs. They're likely just keeping their skills up or doing it for fun (unlike what ||Lia on|| Twitter claims). But it did make me wonder could they actually work on comeback stuff without breaking the rules of the injunction? Just wondering.

[craggy skiff]

the only chance is they comeback as newjeans but we all know they won't
maybe they just keep practice to maintain their skill and figure

[waxen musk]

Why do you avoid the possibility of the injunction appeal being granted? If that happens, it happens this year. Anyway I'm just wondering about the possibility of working on NJZ stuff with the hope it will one day release, even if they are required to stay silent about it while the injunction is in effect.

I'm not saying it's realistic or anything, I'm just wondering if it's technically possible.

[mental lynx]

i mean i feel like they can work on it as long as no one sees it until they win ,it should be fine

[craggy skiff]

I'm just talking about the stage before the appeal result come.
If the court grant their appeal, of course they could comeback or do whatever stuff they want

[waxen musk]

Yes of course that's obvious, I didn't think you were saying that. I just find it funny how I didn't even consider the potential of them making a bunch of songs during this injunction "hiatus" and then release it all at once if they win an appeal. Just sounds funny.

[craggy skiff]

we could dream about pit stop release at the same day the court grant their appeal

[waxen musk]

That's the only realistic thing to hope for. I'm not actually expecting anything more than that like I'm wondering about in my above messages lol.

Let's hope this appeal goes through soon, I'm surprised we haven't got a date for the hearings yet.

[craggy skiff]

I hope the other two judges are not corrupted yet
Lee Gyun-yong is wild 💀

[bronze talon]

this

its not like they publish anything of their work
they can privately get some producers and even work on songs
just as long as its not public and they arent making money with it they can do whatever they want lol and ive said this before
that like no way they arent working on something behind the scenes the whole time or at least after they took some time off

[waxen musk]

Of course they've always been confident they're in the right and will win in the end, but the only reason this feels unrealistic is because they would have to get a lot of different people to trust them fully and basically work "for free".

Anyway, I doubt everyone involved is sitting on their arses waiting around and doing nothing every day lol.

[bronze talon]

its just
think about it realistically
they are artists
should they just sit there, wait months or even years and do nothing until they can go back to do stuff public again?
makes 0 sense to me and its their hobby and job at the same time, why not use the time
theres been plenty of examples in the industry where nothing is heard about an artist for years and then boom, they release a full 20+ songs album out of nowhere
dw they got goals and ambitions that they wanna fulfil. they are 100% working on something for some time already i can tell you this. id get depressed if i dont get to do what i want for even weeks

[craggy skiff]

sound like what ador doing
ah I forgot they still have daily job for lick bsh boots

[waxen musk]

I have no idea how many ADOR employees there are but it really seems they really do fuck all most of the time. They can't even upload new videos to their YouTube account any more.

[bronze talon]

we have 2 or 3 unreleased singles from hanni and dani
we got the newjeans demo
we got pit stop to still be released
and just imagine the recent time they had to work on stuff
trust me, we gonna eat good if they all wanna release the stuff i mentioned to streaming services

[waxen musk]

[craggy skiff]

remind me about hybe annoument that newjeans comeback soon
are they spent time on doing some remix or AI ver? ☝️

[waxen musk]

I just wonder if it's stuff like them keeping their skills up, things like Hanni practicising guitar, Dani working with her sister on random songs. All I feel unsure about is them working with producers and choreographers and everything as if they were pre-injunction.

[waxen musk]

That wasn't a HYBE announcement. It was an investor prediction. I do wonder why the hell they would even begin to expect something like that happening, but Q2 ends at the end of June so we won't have long to find out, if anything is actually happening.

[bronze talon]

bro ofc its not completely 100% guaranteed
just like think about it why would they not use this time to work on something new
if they come back and they dont have something new to show other than pit stop, then what
the hype will kinda die down for the public pretty fast dont you think?

they came back with a new name, new single, boom. the hype was there
if they dont do that again after all what they been going through, they come back again.. but with what? nothing? i doubt that

itd just be a big big waste of time imo to just not do anything ya feel me? or at least work on something new to show once everything is settled

[subtle matrix]

They can do whatever they want lol if they want to chill then let them chill

[waxen musk]

I think they had stuff ready for this year they were maybe in the process of working on and would be busy, regardless. All I’m saying is I think they’ve basically paused for a little while and am unsure if they are continuing to properly work as they intended. I agree with everything you say I just think it’s more nuanced and not an obvious expectation like you think.

[subtle matrix]

But I assume they are working on something

[waxen musk]

Anyway I got my answer: yes they would be able to work just as long as they don’t do anything publicly. That’s all I needed to know.

[bronze talon]

just remember this
dani said that they wanna go out there and do what they love - which is singing and doing music and sharing all of this
they would feel shit if they sit there do nothing for this long. noone ever said they couldnt do what they want. but if you ask me, they probably felt like that they had enough rest for now after all the trips and family/friends gatherings they had. they wanna go back to do what they love

[subtle matrix]

This thread needs news people are starting to lose their minds

[waxen musk]

Yeah nothing is happening and to think maybe there's still nothing for another 4 weeks is painful. Just need some movement to happen.

[bronze talon]

just gotta wait and time will tell

[waxen musk]

Did anything actually happen after the injunction and ComplexCon that I'm forgetting about?

It's only been a little over 6 weeks since that. I won't lie, it feels a lot longer.

[craggy skiff]

just media play and media play

[waxen musk]

I wouldn't count that as anything"happening".

[bronze talon]

media play = nothing burger

[craggy skiff]

"people" is make noise when rumor about hearin/hyein family come but don't give a f*** when KBS apology for spreading misinformation

[vale grove]

I feel like njz has some people that really believe in them on their side. They have proved before they release records that really sell so I can’t imagine it woould be too hard to sell the idea to people who will work with them that they will see a return on their investment

I may have replied to the wrong thing lol bear w me I just woke up

[acoustic verge]

Idk what you expect them to do now when they are in the middle of a contract dispute with their label. No real financial support to do a lot in terms of producing new music. If they lose their case and they want to break their contract and go independent or to another label, that cost money, so spending money on production right now is high risk.

Honestly chill. Go look at Melon chart. They have 4 songs in the top 80. Still huge streaming numbers. Some of the highest. Their hype isn't dying down.

[topaz meadow]

dude

[kind hill]

Breach of contract in korea is a pretty big deal

They pay a lotta money for that shi to be settled

[topaz meadow]

I can go out there rn, murder 50 ppl and the cost to get me out would be like at most 50 mil

400 mill is wayyyyyy too much that cannot be right

[alpine sapphire]

i hope so let me search again

[kind hill]

“If NewJeans loses their court case against ADOR, they could face a significant financial penalty, potentially ranging from 450 billion to 620 billion Korean won (approximately $322 million to $420 million). This penalty would be for breaching their contract with ADOR. The amount could be a substantial sum, reflecting the value of the remaining term of their seven-year contract”

[topaz meadow]

Ok what the fck

[stable escarp]

thats a life sentence 😭

[kind hill]

Yeah…

[topaz meadow]

nah bro j go back thats generational slavery bruh

[stable escarp]

they wont lose

[topaz meadow]

that cannot be worth the risk…

[alpine sapphire]

if they are willing to fight despite knowing this there is a reason ..i feel like there is behind thecurtain reason which we dont know

[kind hill]

Lets js make kim soohyun as an example for a sec, this guy is a millionaire but when the issue came out and brands started pulling out, since its a breach of contract he is gonna pay the a lotta money which theres like 10 companies (i may be wrong) hes gonna need to pay

Now hes gonna be in debt

Alright back to the njz issue

[topaz meadow]

tangent but a life sentence isnt a life sentence after 25 years they check up on u to see if ur integratable to society after paying some? amount if money i think

[alpine sapphire]

and if they dont go back they wont get brand deals either which can be source to give penalty....but i felt bit at ease when i read south korea court mostly take sight of artist

and ablume is the biggest example it took time but they came back with new label and music

[kind hill]

The only thing im scared for them is them having to pay the penalty. If mhj loses its mhj that will pay, if njz loses to ador… that will be a big big problem

[alpine sapphire]

this dude deserves idk njz dont

[topaz meadow]

lowk, lets say they go to be bank and explain their plan to pay that debt via promotional activities w min hee jin like they did before, dont u think that can work

[alpine sapphire]

me too but lets just hope for hybe downfall

[topaz meadow]

I feel like if i was a bank id be worth loaning them that money

[kind hill]

Js get a new ceo’s and pd’s that will take good care of its idols and wont make hasty decisions fr

[alpine sapphire]

but how ..if they loose i dont think so brands will make them front face ichannel has already taken minjis all pics and videos promortional stuff

[kind hill]

Hmm the bank would probably not accept. They cant risk a lost since its not guaranteed for the plan to work, they still need to lookout for the cons

[topaz meadow]

do they have to either pay that money or go back… or do they have to do both? if theyre independent i feel like they can pay it back

[alpine sapphire]

give money and be independent thats the case if they loose and if they winn they wil be independent

[kind hill]

Chanel stopped promoting?

Oop read that wrong

[alpine sapphire]

yup it took all minjis pic and videos from there sight ..

[kind hill]

Oh whatttt

[alpine sapphire]

yeah i saw that news yesterday

[topaz meadow]

Honestly im somewhat optimistic, remember this group is still relevant after 1 year of no activity

[storm warren]

what news? If campaign is over, it makes sense to take down billboards and such. it doesn't stay up forever

[topaz meadow]

imagine them + min hee jin but independent

[kind hill]

“contract probably came to its conclusion and there's no possibility of a renewal without ADOR's approval.

There's also the possibility that Chanel is launched another beauty campaign and Minji couldn't do it for obvious reasons.”

This looks kinda a good answer?

[topaz meadow]

downside is i believe they cant play their ador era music anymore

[storm warren]

naturally. all their brand ambassadorships have expired by now. I think maybe celine is left

[kind hill]

Yes that also

[topaz meadow]

the one i was most sad abt is seoul airport

[kind hill]

But lemme see if minji’s promo on their instagram is gone

[kind hill]

Theyre still an ambassador right?

[topaz meadow]

remember the sign that said welcome to korea w njz members on it in the airport

[storm warren]

they can play their old music. music is under komca management. they have to pay fees to komca to perform it. they wont be able to use MR file tho, only live instrumental

[storm warren]

they did not play old music @ complexcon bc they are still in legal dispute and it is more to show their firm stance than anything else

[topaz meadow]

as u enter korea u see new jeans

[alpine sapphire]

arent they still there

[topaz meadow]

or used to… now theyre renewing it w someone else (le sserafim is rumored)

[storm warren]

no, expired but banner is still up

[kind hill]

Ah, right tyty

[alpine sapphire]

but know i am really worried there alll deals are expiring how will they pay penalty

and ok lets say they comeback will they get deals back which they lost

[storm warren]

1. no one knows how the main case will end
2. if lost, no one knows how penalty fee will be dealt with

[kind hill]

The money made from the deal is going to adore which wont really help the girls

[alpine sapphire]

oh i didnt knew that than its great its expiring

[storm warren]

njz gets their share from the money they earned. CF share is biggest for artists

[topaz meadow]

What if they j declare bankrupsy 🤣

[storm warren]

streaming, album sales goes to label & producers more, but cfs, tour and events go to artists more

[kind hill]

This. Though some speculated that its 400m, i doubt that but its high chance that its still millions theyre gonna pay.

[topaz meadow]

laughing cuz its lowk an alpha move LOL

[kind hill]

Njz declaring bankruptcy?

[topaz meadow]

each of the members

[kind hill]

If they lost thats whats likely will happen

[alpine sapphire]

isnt the case about contract know like if they loose the contract is still valid and win can go independent so they can go back right .... guys even if all the bunnies just donate 10 dollars cant we all make 400 million just kidding

[topaz meadow]

honestly could be worse, they get a fresh start w mhj

[storm warren]

yes, but the case is still in court and even penalty fee might end up disputed in court

[kind hill]

Yeah

Thats very likely to happen

[topaz meadow]

yk what, this gave me an idea, imma declare bankrupsy after i finish college and not pay back the debt 🤣

[kind hill]

ADOR/HYBE will likely squeeze the pockets unless they go back to being newjeans.

[kind hill]

They gonna hunt you

[topaz meadow]

I have no posessions LOL

[storm warren]

njz will see this thru the end unless there is settlement and ador agrees mutual termination

which wont happen bc hybe does not operate like that

[kind hill]

Yes. Hopefully this js will be the case. But knowing hybe…

[kind hill]

Exactly

[topaz meadow]

Wait thats acc genius think abt it, ill tell my mom to get a credit card and link up w one of the banks and its functionally my card

my credit score will go to negative for like 10 years but ill j get paid w jobs under my moms name

[kind hill]

Fbi is snooping ur ass

[topaz meadow]

LOL

[kind hill]

If i was hybe and thinking like hybe, this is exactly what I will do to an artist if im that greedy and an ass. Best case scenario is hybe getting investigated for their corrupt behavior and practices thus basically putting the njz vs ador case.

[alpine sapphire]

btw i just know hybe dont give a damn wheter njz stay or not if they will stay i think they will do worst and wont let them leave like that without paying ...i

[kind hill]

Well actually no

They want njz to stay as newjeans

Thats why they made an offer of like the coming back i think

I could be wrong tho

[alpine sapphire]

yeah they made which newjeans didnt accepted cause 1 way or another they were making lots of money to them

[kind hill]

Yeah

[alpine sapphire]

lets hope for the best and i personally cant wait for june

atleast we will have a string to hold

[kind hill]

Theyl def make lil more offer to them in the meantime

[kind hill]

Yeah true

[alpine sapphire]

i hope that offer will have mhj and than they willl go back i

[old cypress]

they're not going back, they don't feel safe in there

and I hope they'll never be in a situation where they have to go back

[kind hill]

Def not goung back

[alpine sapphire]

yeah and we can see through the case that hybe just ruined there reputation instead of protecting them and started forced hate train against them which is so annoying that it get on my nerves sometime

[old cypress]

Hybe leaked their predebut dance evaluation videos, this alone is already a huge red line being crossed. There's no way you'd feel safe knowing that they might leak what you're doing to the press

[hoary frost]

can you share the source of this

[old cypress]

The penalty figure is just clickbait

[kind hill]

Just speculation

[kind hill]

Js search on google “how much is newjeans gonna pay if they lost the court?”

[hoary frost]

Korea’s Fair Trade Commission has a standard early termination fee for idols’ contracts. The early termination fee is calculated by taking the idol’s average monthly revenue over the past two years and then multiplying that by the number of months remaining in the contract at the time of early termination. While exact revenue numbers for NewJeans were not revealed, this is where the estimate of at least ₩300 billion KRW (about $225 million USD) comes from.

[mild mist]

Penalty Fee Calculation:

The amount shall be calculated by multiplying the average monthly revenue generated during the last two years of the contract (only considering months in which revenue was actually earned) by the remaining months of the contract term as of the termination date.
From the injunction decision document

[old cypress]

apparently it's very difficult to calculate the penalties correctly which is why the judge often revises the amount much lower

and if the trial concludes next year and njz loses and subsequently decides to terminate their contracts, the calculated penalty might be based on 2024-2026 revenue which is much lower. Obviously hybe will argue this and that but at the end of the day there's no way to give an estimate of the penalty fees

[acoustic verge]

Yeah there's absolutely no way the court is going to award Ador that much. That's far more than what NewJeans would generate in terms of revenue. There are probably stipulations within the contract itself that limit damages. And then the courts look at that to make sure it's reasonable b/c often times it's not. And there is precedent that courts tend to not be too harsh on artist.

[subtle matrix]

It's not clickbait as far as I can tell. That would be the amount according to the contract. However there is precedent for the penalty to be much lower than what is established in the contract because it would obviously be impossible for the to pay that amount

I still think it'll be settled eventually

Possibly court mandated

That seems to be the obvious conclusion in my eyes

[wary creek]

but what if they claim it was by accident?

[short laurel]

They accidentally leaked it to dispatch out of all the media outlet?

[old cypress]

so it is clickbait

[old cypress]

the members are not stupid, it doesn't matter what hybe claims

[subtle matrix]

I would consider it clickbait if it had no basis in reality but I suppose you can see it that way

[copper current]

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250508 Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@​kumachan982) Twitter Update
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目前NJZ的舆论压力可能会稍稍减轻：

1. 人权律师出面抨击法院禁令损害人格权；2. 国会（共同民主党）要求Naver引入恶评警报系统及时关闭针对名人尤其是NJZ的评论区；
2. 横竖研究所（李俊熙派支持者）持续绞杀恶评的油管博主李镇浩及其律师高贤禄（两人均持续造谣和负面评论NJZ）；
3. 总统大选临近。

[clear hill]

I’ve heard that Hybe said they were having a comeback

[hollow sorrel]

the way this can be easily innvestigated during the main lawsuit is HYBE really that stupid??

[thorny knot]

they aren't apart of hybe anymore

don't listen to anything hybe says regarding newjeans

[stiff prairie]

it's been so long i don't think anyone can retrieve that part of footage anymore. they probably nuked that specific server storage or overwrote it etc to make it unsalvagable. plus the hate train they managed to pull out of it was worth it for them

[wary creek]

hybe is real good with accessing and analyzing people's private messages but they just can't access or hold on to footage XD

[upbeat stream]

What is the penalty exactly for?

[subtle matrix]

The penalty for early termination of the contract

[upbeat stream]

They didn't terminate the contract. Tried to, but the injunction ruling made it pretty clear that the court doesn't recognize it. If they lose the main lawsuit and then chose to terminate it, that's when they will have to pay

[craggy skiff]

sound good. lets hope

[mild mist]

Would be for breach of contractual terms - the biggest being the Hong Kong performance

[grizzled summit]

Any updates

[upbeat stream]

Yeah well, that should be much lower than for termination. Especially because there were mitigating circumstances. They were operating under the belief that the contract is terminated, and the injunction ruling didn't leave enough time to cancel it without causing damage to the attendees. The court may not fully agree with this argument, but as I said, it won't be nearly as much as for termination.

[old cypress]

yeah we can't estimate the penalty for breach of contractual terms since it's not in the standardized contract.

[short laurel]

those penalty number was by media. no court will allow that huge amount of fine.

[topaz meadow]

obviously not conclusive but ive asked grok (paid version) and heres its prediction:

Based on the above, NewJeans faces an uphill battle in the main lawsuit. Legal experts and court rulings lean toward ADOR, emphasizing the contract’s validity and the group’s failure to provide sufficient evidence of breaches. The rejection of their injunction claims and the high burden of proof for termination suggest a low to moderate likelihood of winning—potentially 20-30%—unless new, compelling evidence emerges. Factors like trademark issues, potential penalties, and industry pressures further tilt the odds against them.

[dry geyser]

is this real??😭

[upbeat stream]

How would they have a comeback? 😭

She did say they are still practicing, but nothing about a comeback

[dry geyser]

OH OKAY THANKSS

[short laurel]

They practice to maintain n train their skills. They probably even making rough work for songs own there on for the future. But they won't be having any official release until they win injunction appeal or main court.

[storm warren]

average tiktok brainrot

[old cypress]

it can't really be helped. Minji new hair + them telling they're back practicing after their vacation. To most if not all kpop fans this is the textbook "we're preparing for a comeback"

It's possible that they're banking on winning their appeal in a couple months. If they win they'd be able to debut as njz the following week. Are they even allowed to film njz mvs right now?

[bronze talon]

as long as its not public they can do whatever they want

and yea
this screams a comeback prep if you ask me
everything speaks for it like why would minji say this in the first place think about it, then like u mentioned the hair
like, we get a new concept and then new minji hair which was a wig in hong kong and now her real hair is the color?
yea this sounds like filming a mv with the same type of outfits and style
as hanni said, the concept will be more bold

[old cypress]

Yeah it looks like they're currently filming Pit Stop. But I'm not sure how it works with paying the staff and all

[bronze talon]

im going full pro confident on this one
cant change my mind

id NOT waste my time wait for results and do nothing all day like if id be them like hell no 😭

[old cypress]

yeah but if they lose the appeal it's basically wasted money

when they could wait until after the appeal and film the mv once the outcome is known. It probably only takes a month or so to prepare if you have the concept ready beforehand

[bronze talon]

its still about doing something and having something ready when everything is settled even if they lose yk

[old cypress]

if they take years to release pit stop it'll feel a bit old

[bronze talon]

i think at that point theyd redo it and probably have even more to show/release

[old cypress]

yeah I think they'd pick something else and maybe release pitstop as a bside

[wary creek]

yeah makes sense. I kind of wish njz stayed longer under fraudor and collected more evidence.

[thick glade]

I would be more worried that if they stayed longer, that ador would've released music credited to the girls that sounds awful.

[thorny knot]

rumor is that illit's manager is in therapy cause of the newjeans/illit situation and thank god cause they need help after bullying hanni, like you're a grown ass adult bullying someone grow up

[bronze jetty]

i think hanni and minji had hinted about filming the pit stop mv a while ago

[shut kelp]

i mean they haven't worked/performed in like 2 months so im guessing if everything goes as planned (they win the lawsuit) they could have their comeback asap?

im also curious on what label decided to sign them because hyein did mention it in their last live together

[thick glade]

My concern with that is whether that label would wait for them if they're contract dispute is uncertain. I'm hopeful they'd still "keep the door open" for them.

[old cypress]

what did hyein mention?

[timber shell]

in Feb 7, (day that NJZ revealed) hyein said that they will sign new agency

but we don't know how had it been

[grizzled mural]

Seeing the Fifty Fifty/The Givers verdict regarding “Cupid” gives me hope for NJZ

[devout dune]

[storm warren]

completely different cases 😭

[subtle matrix]

Being happy about the Attrakt/The Givers veredict makes sense if you support NJZ/MHJ

But that wasn't a case of the good guys winning

[rain spade]

Your happy about that guy winning over cupid?

[stiff prairie]

i got no knowledge on fifty fifty situation. the members are considered in the wrong on that one? if so how did they manage to win their lawsuit?

[short laurel]

For me the case was bad vs bad with fiftyfifty members used by them.

[hollow sorrel]

didnt ablume/the 3 girls from fifty fifty lose their case? and attrakt terminated their contract on their own

[rain spade]

after the company terminater their contract, then filed a lawsuit againstt the member. the member retaliated back with a counter suit. and have no idea what's happening now

[alpine sapphire]

they debuted under new name ablume and today there first song echo got released .but it took them 2 years to come back but for newjeans i cant wait for 2 years ....

[rain spade]

what do you like about the mv ?

[alpine sapphire]

the aesthetics .i liked that i am not there fan i didnt knew about fifty fifty till a weeek ago but i dont know why ablume gives hope

but the i reallly like the aesthetic of mv

[rain spade]

attrakt didn't file injunctiion to stop their activity meanwhile hybe did with nj

[upbeat stream]

Well the only thing that interests me about the fifty fifty debacle is how little online narrative helped attrakt and the new fifty fifty. If you went by how much support they had and continue to have on the korean internet, you would think new fifty fifty would be huge in korea and have smash hits. But the reality was very sobering

[rain spade]

I do like itt too, but at the same time i also don'tt like it after everything previously

[alpine sapphire]

i just know little about there previous story through comments so i am not sure to like them or not ...............

[rain spade]

shows how people are tthere just for the drama. same with nj drama. majority wouldn't care about it after it's over I guess

[alpine sapphire]

fr

[subtle matrix]

The process was a bit different in both cases. Fifty fifty themselves did file an injunction to suspend the contract with attrakt

[upbeat stream]

Which is standard, Loona did the same. I'm not sure about JYJ, did they file an injunction?

[subtle matrix]

Newjeans simply informed ador that they were unilaterally terminating the contract instead of pursuing legal options, so it was ador who had to file the injunction and lawsuit

[rain spade]

Court dismissed their request at the beginning right

[upbeat stream]

Yes, attrakt themselves terminated the contract after keena's return, and then filed a damages lawsuit

[rain spade]

And then the 3 member counter suit and ask the court to restirct public access 🙄

[subtle matrix]

They did, which was granted

[hoary frost]

I didnt get what happened between fifty fifty and attrakt. can someone give me a summary

[subtle matrix]

They filed an injunction to terminate their contract with Attrakt due to alleged mistreatment and lack of financial transparency

[hoary frost]

Yeah i saw this. but i think i missed alot along the way
like there's supposedly a new fifty fifty and also some of them went to another group ablume. and seems like people are quite against the ones who went to ablume...?

[subtle matrix]

Attrakt is a very small company, nothing like these major labels like HYBE. They had hired a production company, The Givers, to basically manage everything related to fifty fifty

And from what I've seen it seems like The Givers were not only at fault for a lot of the mistreatment fifty fifty members claim, they also forged documents to f over both fifty fifty and attrakt

While the members were in a legal battle with the label, one of the members dropped the legal action against attrakt and returned to the company

And "pull a keena" was born (you probably have heard this regarding Haerin or Hyein)

[upbeat stream]

Even though Minji fits the Keena mold better. She is the oldest just like Keena, and has been among the least vocal of the members. I have always wondered why antis are so hell-bent on believing Haerin and/or Hyein may pull a Keena but never speculate about Minji

[subtle matrix]

Then attrakt kept the fifty fifty name and added 4 new members, plus the already mentioned keena

And the 3 members who left formed ablume

It's a complicated case, maybe even more so than njz

But since it has been going on for a while more is known

[hoary frost]

I think i have a reason for this. because they are actually going to insane lengths to hate njz. that you would wonder how can someone say this to such young girls?
so to ease their mind they make up this, that they are wanting to leave, so they can continue to hate on the rest

[subtle matrix]

From my perspective it seems like Attrakt were just incompetent while The Givers did some really f'd up stuff. Regardless it didn't end very well for anyone involved

[short laurel]

I m at the point where I'd believe korean artists if they said their company mistreat them.
In fifty fifty case i believe both sides used members but attrakt mistreatment probably wasn't enough by korean court. Or something. Givers were bigger bad while attrakt lesser bad.

[hoary frost]

its actually not a coincidence they are doing it to the youngest 2

[hoary frost]

yeah i have heard this. however i missed out on alot of details it seems

[split bramble]

an evil industry

I'm 100% certain whenever njz redebuts(be it 1 month or 3 years) they'll claim themselves as artists and not idols

[short laurel]

Girls behaviour has been more like artists than idols at many moments while they were under mhj tbh

[subtle matrix]

The question here is whether the mistreatment they claim was by attrakt or the givers. There is some credible evidence that the givers were responsible for most of the complaints and blamed it on attrakt to entice them to leave and join another label

[split bramble]

the upcoming election result will determine njz fate, if democratic party wins going after hybe will be one of the first things on their agenda given how ingrained hybe is with the conservative movement in korea

[upbeat stream]

Yes, and they also want to create a narrative of power dynamic within the group, like the older members are pressuring the maknaes

[subtle matrix]

I think SK has much bigger problems rn than what happens to NJZ, it's weird that people keep using this talking point tbh

[short laurel]

Yea. I just come to believe there's no way a kpop company will not mistreat their artists even if there's nothing attrakt did out of the claims made. This industry trained my brain for that.

[upbeat stream]

I won't argue about attrakt vs the givers, but attrakt did employ the same Lee Jin-ho/Dispatch that hybe and bbc used. Lee Jin-ho btw is a guy responsible for the suicide of multiple women, directly or indirectly. So anyone who uses him is pure evil in my book

[split bramble]

its a domino effect, when they'll go after the conservative movement those who were cornered by it will find reprieve

[subtle matrix]

ok buddy

[short laurel]

Hybe could be one of the indirect target cuz of stocks related drama or yoon's wife visit to hybe or bangs family involvement or that death case n corruption at ministry of labour.

[split bramble]

givers were managing the members because attrakt made them to, any mistreatment givers commit is attrakt's responsibility too

[short laurel]

But hybe won't be falling down unfortunately. Regardless of who wins, bts gives korea soft power internationally. As long as they are in hybe, korean government will always give hybe a way out.

[split bramble]

bts lost too much momentum to group inactivity, there core audience grew up and follow andrew tate and sneako now

[upbeat stream]

I think both attrakt and the givers are evil so I don't really care about either. I only sympathize with ablume and the new fifty fifty

[hoary frost]

lol what

I think you're a bit off the mark here

[upbeat stream]

haha

[short laurel]

I think they'll recover in full group cb

[upbeat stream]

What? BTS will be more than fine lol, but some members may want to move on to other stuff, just natural progression of life. So I don't expect them to be nearly as active as before

[short laurel]

They are bit too big by kpop standards. 2 years break isn't enough to harm them much

[hoary frost]

Yeah i noticed their fans are fighting alot nowadays tho. or maybe what i just saw

[split bramble]

dudes in their 30s being put through the ringer to pay off hybe's debt, will be a sad sight

[subtle matrix]

Amazing lol

[short laurel]

They already are. As solo activities

[upbeat stream]

Also perhaps Jungkook or Taehyung may leave hybe and establish their own labels

[hoary frost]

really...? when does their contract end...?didnt they all renew

[split bramble]

the only 2 talents in that group

[short laurel]

Point is regardless of which government wins election n members stay under hybe, government will always give hybe a way out.

[subtle matrix]

We shall see. Given that one of the members came back the situation is definitely not clear cut

[hoary frost]

yeah they are still by far the biggest kpop group

[upbeat stream]

We don't exactly know when their contracts expire

[hoary frost]

even alot of fanbases of other groups nowadays actually are just subsets of their fanbase ...so they would be coming back when bts makes a comeback

[subtle matrix]

BTS is the biggest kpop group in the world in the midst of a 2 year hiatus, imagine when they actually return

[hoary frost]

but do you think their numbers will be higher than when they were at their peak? or less. bcuz either hiatus created alot of momentum or lose it

[short laurel]

Less

[upbeat stream]

However there is some hope with Lee Jae-myung. Some k-tokkis have said that he would be the most left-leaning president ever if elected. Maybe I'm being too naive and he will be just like everyone else lol

[short laurel]

Actually depends. Some haters will give them views.

[subtle matrix]

Numbers are down across the industry so probably not

[short laurel]

1 person doesn't matter much, parliament will be joining in. National intrest more important n international soft power is international intrest.

[split bramble]

no, its blackpink

3 of the members are already mainstream in pop culture while the other one set to be the next song hye kyo, jun ji hyun

[hoary frost]

i think blackpink solo career are deff doing very good. but i think the group power bts has is greater

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, album sales are down, domestic charting this year has been the worst since 2021 (when there were a lot fewer top groups), we aren't getting many global hits either. kpop is down in every metric

[hoary frost]

oh yeah. i saw something about hits of this year so far. no offense to any of the songs this year but they were all mediocre

[subtle matrix]

And Keena accuses siahn of forging her signature to scam her out of her fair copyright share

I'm not arguing that Attrakt is squeaky clean. Just that there's credible evidence that a lot of the complains by the original members should be directed at The Givers instead of Attrakt

[split bramble]

two evils doing evil stuff while artists suffer

[short laurel]

Siahn is in givers ?

[subtle matrix]

CEO

[short laurel]

I read on Google he's with albume.

[hoary frost]

actually looking at the list i think no matter what perception ppl have of njz once they are actually releasing music nobody is gonna have problems. bcuz music in kpop is feeling so lacking nowadays

[subtle matrix]

Yeah the former fifty fifty members are still working with the same production team

[upbeat stream]

This summer is gonna be so empty lol. There were many korean hit tweets mourning the fact that we won't get a summer smash from njz this year. For the last 3 years, they have always had huge summer hits

[hoary frost]

yeah they always had an amazing and fresh take on summer. like it wasnt the typical summer kpop songs (altho i also like those)

[short laurel]

It's sad members still with bad guys regardless of which side they are on as both sides used members for their gain

[upbeat stream]

Aespa will probably get another hit, day6 too. And then what? ive released in spring, so they'll miss summer. idle may or may not smash, given that klaxxon didn't do as well as expected. Not many top groups beyond that. This is gonna be the most boring and empty summer in terms of smash hits

[hoary frost]

i like triples music too. they have comeback soon

[subtle matrix]

IVE comeback soon too? Or am I misremembering the news

[upbeat stream]

I was talking about mainstream big hits in korea. TripleS is good but not that big over there

[hoary frost]

oh yea lol

[subtle matrix]

What's stopping you from seeing the NJZ case as nuanced too?

[upbeat stream]

I don't think so, they just released music 3 months ago. They'll probably target autumn or winter

[subtle matrix]

Legit question btw I'm not pointing a finger

[hoary frost]

how popular is illit in korea btw? i think they did not have a comeback in a bit

ifboth are bad maybe girls just picked who they thought would have best chance with

[subtle matrix]

I don't think they are so different

[hoary frost]

but im not informed on this

[subtle matrix]

There is a pretty clear parallel between fifty fifty/newjeans, the givers/og ador, attrakt/hybe. Obviously the nature of the complaints and who is right or wrong can be different. But pretty similar dynamics at play

[hoary frost]

can u elaborate on this. like how is attrakt similar to hybe and the givers to og ador

[short laurel]

That's just 1 thing. Mostly both case are very different

[subtle matrix]

It's not a case of being similar, just playing similar roles in the conflicts

[hoary frost]

is it true that evidence was fabricated from givers side?

can you send it

[subtle matrix]

How are they different

[hollow sorrel]

the difference is that they are different.
there is so much more to it than just the overall issue itself

personal relationship, contracts, payments, production teams, success etc. these are super different in the 2 case

we can reduce it to "idol vs agency" and there aren't way too many cases like that, but doesn't mean that the cases are similar, because they are different in nature

[subtle matrix]

I mean obviously they are different but what I'm trying to get at is, are they different because one is red and the other is blue? Or are they different because one is red and the other is a circle?

Because yes there are about a billion details that make the cases different from each other but the general structure here is not that dissimilar in my opinion, so there are comparisons than can be made and parallels that can be traced

You can compare red to blue but you can't compare red to a circle

[short laurel]

In kpop majority of the case would be similar with that lens

[hollow sorrel]

one is a red circle while the other is a blue sphere
they are taking entirely different legal steps and I don't think it makes sense to compare them

exactly we can think in buzzwords

"artist vs label"
"mistreatment"

but they are different?? with that logic all divorce cases are the same no?

[hoary frost]

im just abit wary of this sentiment .probably i should do more research about this case adn what go on but im seeing alot of ppl use fiftyfifty case and use it to lower down njz by saying they are similar (not saying u r doing that specifically). and to me the case seems quite different. even i completely very much trust og ador while the giver seems to have their own issues which almost all fans, even of ablume seem to have stated

[subtle matrix]

lol

I see it's also easier to flatten anyone who questions your opinions as a someone who believes either case can be reduced to "young girls doing confused stuff among bad people - another day in artist vs agency world" than to actually back them up

[hoary frost]

if u could simplify it down then probalby most things u could say they are similar. but this fifty fifty store esems to be quite fragmented as compare to njz who i believe has been consistent with everything they have been saying and doing. so i think this is kinda a weird comparison
bcuz again people use fifty fifty case to bring down njz and say they are the same

[short laurel]

N Categorying it this way also adds to the claim hybe n medis being making. How they kept comparing it to fifty fifty

[hoary frost]

there is anotherlevel of power dynamics her.e . for example hybe is by far holding power in this scenario. but for fifty fifty again i dont think we can call it that attrakt is hybe and givers is og ador. other than the basic fact of girls leaving

[hollow sorrel]

Mhj said something during her second press conference which I believe can be relevant to this conversation

[subtle matrix]

That was the point of my questioning. Taking your example, is a divorce by mutual decision the same as a divorce due to infidelity? Obviously not, the dynamics are completely different in those cases

Are the dynamics completely different in this case? Idk. Hence the questioning

I don't see them as being so different

[hoary frost]

dont get it

[subtle matrix]

And by saying that I am not attributing fault to any party here

[subtle matrix]

wdym?

[hoary frost]

how are the dynamics similar?

[subtle matrix]

In both cases we have a group (fifty fifty/newjeans) trying to terminate their exclusive contract
In both cases they accusing their label (attrakt/hybe) of mistreatment, among other complaints
In both cases the label accuses the entity responsible for managing the artists (the givers/og ador) of convincing the artists that the company is hurting them
In both cases the label accuses the CEO of that entity (siahn/mhj) of tampering, being in contact with third parties to sign the artists after they leave the label

And please understand that by tracing these parallels I am not trying to imply that the cases are the same, the dynamics are exactly the same, who's wrong and who's right are exactly the same

I only commented on the similarity of the cases because I've seen people who tend to automatically respond with "the cases are different" whenever these two cases are mentioned together, which is absolutely and obviously true if you analyse them in real depth

[short laurel]

Who's wrong n who's right are exactly the same? How?

[subtle matrix]

I am not trying to imply that [...] who's wrong and who's right are exactly the same

[short laurel]

Ohk

[subtle matrix]

While these cases are obviously two completely separate things I think there are parallels, there is a comparison to be made in certain aspects

For example, iirc this discussion started because The Givers were granted the copyright to og fifty fifty's songs, which for njz is good news because they were produced by a team outside of hybe

[short laurel]

Well in similar sense alot of cases can be called similar. It's just generalization to me n by doing so atleast from public prospective it'll only support the pro hybe media claim of 2 cases being same

[hoary frost]

but ive heard an issue of that keena credits on this song was supposedly trying to be erased. i mean there is just too much to the point i would not call it similar. only in a very basic manner

[subtle matrix]

I understand the need to adjust your speech depending on who your talking to but I would hope that people thought better of me at this point lol

I am not a njz/mhj hater

I'm not gonna be making the argument that njz are dumb girls who are being played by mhj

[hoary frost]

well idont think anybody is saying u r. and i dont think you are either. but i just dont see the point here

[subtle matrix]

Well someone very clearly did just that

[short laurel]

What u said make sense in categrazing perspective.
But for public it'll look like supporting hybe cuz population in masses are not smart enough to understand the difference in words. They just c "similar" n will stick to that.

[hoary frost]

where

[subtle matrix]

The cases are so different that I will never believe you don't know it but it easier to flat everything in the category " young girls doing confused stuff among bad people - another day in artist vs agency world"

[subtle matrix]

Yes I completely understand that perspective

[short laurel]

I miss spelled the word perspective n learned existence of the word prospective

[subtle matrix]

And to be clear I understand that if you go to reddit and someone tries to compare the fifty fifty/njz cases they will be doing so in that way. They are trying to say that fifty fifty and njz both got scammed by the siahn and mhj respectively

[hoary frost]

yeah that is why i am really wary of this

[hoary frost]

when ppl say this
they mean to say
Each case is different
there is no need to start to try to draw parallels within two different scenarios because behind the scenes every situation is unique. like some people are like alreayd making boxing, she is pulling a keena, she's doing this etc

despite it may seem similar in surface. when you look in there is alot of differences. so that's why people would say

[subtle matrix]

Yeah but the discussion on this is so charged that people seem afraid of making the slightest comparison even when it benefits njz's pov

[hoary frost]

when will it benefit them

[short laurel]

Songs credit will go to girls cuz the wrote the songs anyways

[subtle matrix]

Hopefully yes

[short laurel]

With a 3rd party too, not hybe or ador.

In 5050 case it was givers right? In njz frnk n 250's company BANA, a different party

[storm warren]

givers is not attrakt sub label

simplifying and trivializing the case in order to fit it into same structural frame is weird

[subtle matrix]

Sorry just following HYBE's orders that's what they pay me to do

[storm warren]

save your sarcasm for yourself

[subtle matrix]

I'm too generous for that

[storm warren]

its like comparing two books and saying "the books are about romance, where male character dies", hence, they're same books. they are not as the most relevant details and developments are different. njz case share similarity with million other ent case just based on vague descriptions, but it is still unique case of its own

comparing givers with actual sub label ceo which mhj was is insane. 😂

[upbeat stream]

hard to say. They have one huge song, and then their next comeback didn't do well. This year will really let us know if illit, babymonster, meovv etc can actually become top gg's or not

[subtle matrix]

I am not saying they are the same case. I think there is a big disconnect between what each party is arguing for here

[storm warren]

reddit kpop compares them bc they villainized both groups

[short laurel]

Unrelated but this reminds me of chinese cultivation novels with female mc. All doctors all from lower tier nobel family. All have romance with top tier nobel man. N story overall follow same structure. Just character names n city name different. N there's soooo many novels like this

[storm warren]

it fits their narrative to paint them as same. whatever makes everyone sleep at night tho

[subtle matrix]

My argument was not that the two books are the same, but that they are both poetry

If you or anyone else wants to read more into that, then I can't stop you

[storm warren]

its not even about it but generalization but i digress. cases are different, relationship structure is different, one or two things having in common doesnt make them comparable

but yeah same genre i guess which is ent dispute

[upbeat stream]

One of the biggest differences is that there's two labels involved in a very complex relationship, whereas here it's just one label under control of a single person, who was then removed. Another major one is that newjeans have never alleged any mistreatment at the hands of mhj or ador of the time. Fans could clearly see as well that they were very happy and well-treated

I have been a fan since Ditto era, and I can't ever remember tokkis needing to trend hashtags for better treatment. Do you know how rare that is? If you stan other groups too, you would realize the stark difference

[hoary frost]

i think babymonster has a decent fanbase already

but yea actually none of these groups are like mainstream gg type

[subtle matrix]

Also in the fifty fifty case there's a lof of discussion about whether siahn/the givers or attrakt is to blame for some of the complaints by the members and there is not such parallel here

[frozen granite]

I’m confused is he siding with Njz or against their actions ? His statement can be interpreted in both ways

[alpine sapphire]

i also cant understand ....but i feel like it s neutral like first he is against njz than he thinks i went too much against lets take a little bit sight ...

[kind hill]

Both, saying that they might regret their actions. But also saying that they should've fulfill the contract first b4 going against bla bla bla and should've given more thought n not impulsive. And criticizing hybe for not taking care of the matter more professionally, not media playing and exposing the pre debut. That's how I see it.

I think he sees their actions impulsive and didn't really think much into it.

[alpine sapphire]

but if it would be impulsive than they have got
alot of chances to reconcile with adour ,if it would be impulsive they would have moved back

[hollow sorrel]

but he is criticizing njz for reacting to hybe's actions??? like they wouldn't have done those 2-3 interviews and criticized the industry if it wasnt for HYBE trying to destroy their image...

it's an action --> reaction thing

[subtle matrix]

I mean not super surprising for the owner of a label to speak in support of labels

[alpine sapphire]

point too be noted

[hoary frost]

looks like hes against the actions

if was meant Nj1 to have a fairytale like concept like they had been teasing would have made me so happy. I love groups music like oh my girl, wjsn etc and those type of concepts 😢

[mild mist]

I read these comments as critical of min heejin more than anything else

[clear hill]

Does anyone know if the pitstop mv on YouTube is official from the NJZ channel?

[bronze talon]

fake

[fathom canopy]

The real channel is https://youtube.com/@njz_official

[clear hill]

They think that bc hyein and haerin speak the least on it that they for some reason didnt want to speak up/leave Hybe. Which if they actually paid attention instead of believing baseless rumours and media play they would know that they’ve both said things to disprove these.ike obviously they’re not gonna speak up as much as mhd they’re the least fluent in English.

[clear hill]

Wtf???? That was ai????

[bronze talon]

or just put together clips
idk i didnt click on it or watched it bc i knew it was fake

[clear hill]

Ohhh

[split bramble]

he has been in the industry since the times where idols were getting pimped out, so i do not expect him to understand this specific situation anyway

there's a long hiatus upon njz members, most wouldnt be able to accept it

[old cypress]

no, people are just disagreeing with your weird take. Happens

it doesn't benefit njz's pov since it's completely different. That's what people were getting at

[subtle matrix]

I mean, sure, whatever

It's very clear to me why people are so quick to immediately say fifty fifty and njz's cases are different whenever they are compared but mostly have no problem using the example of loona's members losing the injunction and then winning on appeal

But like I mentioned I also know that most people who bring up the fifty fifty/njz comparison are not doing so in good faith so I get the reaction

[grizzled summit]

Any updates

[subtle matrix]

No

[clear hill]

These are all very complex n nuanced situations in their own regard but regardless all of them share the similarity of artists being exploited by labels

I’m not super familiar w the fifty fifty case since I don’t listen to them but Loona’s case is something I’m familiar w and although their mistreatment is very different, just because NJZ’s case of mistreatment isn’t them never receiving pay/no financial support from company,obvious signs of being overworked,||eating disorders||, unfair treatment for one specific member etc doesn’t mean their mistreatment should be downplayed.

A lot of kpop stans and people who are familiar w how the kpop industry works know that the idols are being exploited yet it has somehow become a norm. A lot of kpop stans can’t see past their cognitive dissonance and parasocial relationships and refuse to accept that kpop groups are COMMODITIES manufactured by companies. The normalization of exploitation in the kpop industry and the Korean entertainment industry in general has led consumers to romanticize this idol lifestyle. One that isn’t realistic by any means but simply an brand image the company wants to sell to people.

It has become a game of who is the most exploited and if it’s something everybody already knows then it’s redundant and they’re being ungrateful and spoiled. The fact that when Danielle went live talking about what she endured under source music people kept saying how it wasn’t “real” mistreatment and others have it far worse shows that us,the outsiders, fans,observers don’t actually care in the grand scheme of things. If it can’t be sensationalized and doesn’t sound “the glory” level or sulli level mistreatment then you better hush because this is the k pop industry and you asked for it by being an idol.

[stable escarp]

Hey yall did something get confirmed or smthn?? Or is tiktok comments trippin again

[heady gate]

I don't see anything update from X.

[upbeat stream]

Minji doesn't speak much about it either. She rarely ever mentioned the conflict or even mhj, unlike Hanni or Dani. That's my point, if they speculate about the maknaes, they should do so for Minji too

[old cypress]

we mention loona mostly to figure out how long the appeal/case might take, not because the cases are similar. Loona winning their appeal still doesn't benefit njz's pov since the case is completely different

[old cypress]

it's because haerin is the quiet one, people think she's some stupid kid who only follows along. And Hyein it's because she's still a minor so her parents can decide for her

[bronze talon]

I think the reason why people play njzs mistreatment down in the first place is because they aren't the one being treated like them and especially because they didn't get mistreated like other idols and think like: well if they didn't get hurt or something really worse then it's not too bad..
Reason being probably is because they want them to do what they desire or need which is perform, make music and record those promotional videos and whatnot to fulfil their parasocial needs. After all they all don't really care too much only bc they are not in their boat and most likely bc a lot of the people stuck in the idol stanning life have maybe even experienced worse things or stuff that drains them mentally so much that they think their problem is far worse than the idols ones. That's how I see it

[subtle matrix]

Loona case is completely different but people still use it as an example of members winning on appeal after losing the initial injunction, which is a completely valid context to compare the cases in. All of these cases are different (that is self evident) and I wasn't arguing against that

Anyway I don't think there's really any point to this, I wasn't trying to imply anything other than the general outline of the cases being somewhat similar which doesn't really lead anywhere

[old cypress]

you did try to draw parallels and say it benefits njz's pov but glad that you came around since

[subtle matrix]

lol

Whatever works for you

[hoary frost]

People use the way events in loona's case progressed as an example. but I've never seen anyone here their cases theirselves are similar, I've infact only seen people talk about how different their case was here

[clear hill]

Yea exactly!

But I don’t know why the evidence provided by the lawsuit that represented them gave such weak evidence.. I feel like so much has been revealed about how hybe/ador treated newjeans and although we can only speculate and rely on hearsay I feel like they know more about the situation than what we’re given..

[bronze talon]

yea idk why its hard to prove to terminate it when mutual trust is a important factor as well

[rain spade]

you guys say like is super easy to win a lawsuit. we would already have won if it was so

[heady gate]

Yea. South Korea justice system is a joke. Political influence plays a major role in the outcome.

[clear hill]

Obviously it’s not easy, esp against a huge conglomerate like Hybe but with what we know it’s surprising how the lawyers provided such weak evidence. Maybe I’m just not super familiar w the law, at the end of the day they know more about it than me

[stuck roost]

do we know if njz wont be ambassadors for incheon airport anymore

[grizzled summit]

Any updates

[heady gate]

Maybe after the Korean presidential election on June 3.😅

[grizzled summit]

Is he good or bad

[wary creek]

so was it ever proven that mhj was not conspiring to take over ador from hybe?

or is it true that she did

[old cypress]

hybe owns 80% of ador so it's impossible for mhj to take over ador

[flint stone]

also mhj already "controlled" everything in ador, so for her to take over ador doesn't make sense

[old cypress]

yes and no because of hybe interference and hybe imposing its shared services to ador

[bronze talon]

wasnt it about her taking over hybe?

[old cypress]

no, not at all lol

[bronze talon]

hmm got it wrong then

[flint stone]

her taking over hybe? how is it even possible?

[bronze talon]

idk i may have read about it somewhere or just miss remember it

[flint stone]

if someone wrote this, it's so stupid, because take over company with 18% is not possible, but having 0% and tying to take over. it's like i will go to Apple and say give me your company

[bronze talon]

ye i probably just had it wrong in my mind

[craggy skiff]

This is best joke ever

[short laurel]

It's not impossible to take over company with 18% initial share. But it's long term process. Also it's not even illegal to do.

Hybe view was that mhj was acting against ador's interest which the court rejected. Hence not a breach of trust.

[subtle matrix]

Well it is pretty much impossible if hybe is unwilling to sell

Which doesn't really change anything though

[silk skiff]

i mean the court mentioned that there was proven intent but no actual concrete actions were taken by mhj so no breach of trust

from koreatimes, dunno how trusted they are

[old cypress]

yeah the intent is basically "hybe kept interfering in our business, how do we take ador out of hybe so we can be fully independent" and they talked over it on kakaotalk half serious half banter (project 1945 lol) but since it's impossible, no actions have been taken

[twin cypress]

? BTS and most boy groups are fanbases of women not men lol

[subtle matrix]

Iirc the court ruled that there were no concrete actions but even if there were, it still wouldn't be a breach of trust

Because trying to break ador away from hybe doesn't necessarily hurt ador, and her obligations were towards ador not hybe

[clear hill]

Does anyone have any updates on the lawsuits source music/bighit ent filed against mhj? I heard that they pushed it back to May 30 bc they needed more evidence, is that true?

[orchid field]

*x -c https://x.com/MinotaurKard/status/1921585568195961078

Mino (@MinotaurKard) on X

This is a list of people that MHJ sued for defamation.
Some of these Korean names are the equivalent to the likes of
Gertrude, Edith, Ingrid, Dorothy and Gilbert in USA so yeah these people are hella old...

X · May 11, 2025, 3:17 PM

[harsh dove]

:warning: Tweet with id 1921585568195961078 does not contain any media!

[hoary frost]

not only that but bts fans are really not as young as people think

lol

[orchid field]

i text wall filled with lies lol

[bronze talon]

In an accurate translation it said he was just nervous to show the footage

Not trembling
Idk how people make such a fuss about it in the first place

[subtle matrix]

Lately people have been grasping at straws to make Hanni the bully in that whole greeting story

[mild mist]

"does this look like the face of mercy to you?"

[hoary frost]

this is a relatively old article too and also mistranslated lol

[wary creek]

oh okay cool that makes me more confident that mhj can win her case

[hoary frost]

song is good and iam kinda amused that some people are being worried the precedent ablume is setting on reddit...also those who were all being wannabe lawyers and now being mad that case was lost

although the cases are unrelated and idont think any precent was set. the fact that they were getting all worried is funny

[sage fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/newjeans-newjeans-hyein-hyein-0705ari-surprised-gif-26801737

[wary creek]

learn from mhj, be careful of your messages on work servers or using work computers/phones XD

[short laurel]

Don't ever do your personal stuff in office system or office wifi.

[subtle matrix]

[short laurel]

Also that's dirty of kkt for not having end to end encryption by default (it's only opt in, think they added it recently). This is basic feature all chatting apps should have unless it's high security area like airports or military base. Or countries like china. Tech is old n well established n accessible too.

[old cypress]

Do we even know how hybe got ahold of the kkt chats? The cloud or forsenics ?

[wary creek]

hmm in the article korea joongang daily, mhj's lawyer said: "Min Hee-jin handed in her laptop that she had been using three years ago after wiping out all of its data, so we suspect that HYBE restored the data the personal conversations she had [with others]. HYBE claims that it did not restore the data but that the data had been saved on the cloud network, which makes it even worse. This is a serious crime regarding digital records."

[wary creek]

so sounds like cloud

maybe she was still logged in? when she handed her computer in

[clear hill]

Imagine being a grown ass man scared of a 5’4 19 year old girl. This is like when BBC tried framing Chuu as some evil person who mistreated staff 😭

[old cypress]

Looks like it but no confirmation, thanks

[clear hill]

I’m not sure how reliable this tik tokker is but https://vt.tiktok.com/ZShPmVA6Y/ apparently belift backed out of the court hearing and pushed the date for the mhj case

[bronze talon]

he wasnt scared
he was nervous about the footage he was about to show

heres an accurate translation

it was about lying not him being scared of her

i mean that whole incident was about that 2nd time they met and they most likely just told him to delete it on purpose and find a stupid ass excuse which made him uncomfortable

and again like i said earlier
why is everyone making a fuss out of a nothing burger in the first place

[clear hill]

Yea that’s what I mean. Cause chuu was never rude to staff, bbc just lied about it to paint her as the bad guy

[old cypress]

yeah it a couple weeks ago

but I don't think they're afraid, they're just stalling as much as possible and hoping to make mhj ruin herself financially

[clear hill]

Yea I think the ignore her situation is taken out of proportion on Hybes part to make hanni hated by the media. Eitjer way I found it weird that the law firm that represented them presented this as one of the reasons for contract termination at the 2nd court hearing when they have lots of counter arguments against hybe (personal information being leaked of the members,making parents and members go against each other to go back to ador, the og ador staff being followed and forced to give their laptops and phones, media play,etc)

[bronze talon]

isnt that strategy/tactic kinda known in company legal batteling so there will be some sort of compensation to make some people go "broke"

[bronze talon]

maybe the team and the members thought that the most crucial moment of everything piled up in this case will be a strong argument to battle it with that incident idk

[clear hill]

Yea it’s so fucked up bc ppl KNOW this and know that this is the tactic Hybe is using against them yet they find a way to somehow blame the girls for all of this.. it’s so obvious when a company lacks moral and ethical values and only cares about revenue yet people will still blame the girls for all this

[clear hill]

I don’t think they’re afraid bc the media play is already working but I don’t think there’s actually any valid evidence to prove that mhj is the reason for illit losing brand deals

[old cypress]

yeah I think they have no evidence and they're waiting for mhj's side to make a mistake or something like that

[bronze talon]

i mean isnt it kinda obv at this point?
if they did have evidence alr theyd make so many diff points and perspectives on it that there would be no end to it i feel like
but every info that there is or at least crucial and important has been debunked shortly after every single time

[clear hill]

Yeah but idk how the court keeps letting them get away w it. Esp at the last court hearing, the cctv footage wasn’t even the one hanni was talking about, the text msgs were edited, wouldn’t the Korean law have some sort of penalty for fabricating evidence?

[red thorn]

Hybe claimed it's from their cloud
MHJ side indicated it's from the laptop, the said laptop that hybe claimed mhj not returned it and mhj claimed she returned it, still mystery 🤷🏼‍♂️

[clear hill]

Like that has to be consequential somehow, idk how the judge didn’t clock it bc atp they’re just making njz’s side look stupid on purpose

[bronze talon]

what the most annoying part not only for fans who watch this unfold is but for mhj and her legal team that hybe is literally postponing so many hearing its insane
either scared of backlash for their group comebacks, scared of losing bc no evidence atm or making the girls wait even longer to work with her again
tho tbh im not 100% sure if this is correlated to the girls bc maybe they really dont need her at all times to continue working again

[hoary frost]

They are postponing to put financial strain on mhj

[bronze talon]

most likely

like how many did they postpone already? 3?
this is insane
i think its a mix of that and them literally not having evidence or at least enough to have strong points to not completely lose every single point

bc think about it, if they did
bro ill tell you theyd do everything to go in there as fast as possible and make her pay so many fines

literal money hungry conglomerate

[clear hill]

Tbh I agree w them that MHJ is a crucial part of NJZ’s brand. Her creative direction is what led to their success and in an industry like kpop where everything is manufactured by a whole group of people, creative directors are crucial to creating a brand identity. I mean look at Aespa, their brand identity is very glaringly obvious just like NJZ, makes sense that they’re the most successful 4th gen ggs in kpop 🤷‍♀️

[bronze talon]

this

and anywho that disagrees on that is just blind or doesnt wanna acknowledge that fact

[clear hill]

Yeah it’s so fucking sick how Hybe keeps getting away w it, they literally have a track record of this yet the court does nothing. It’s a waste of time for the judges to show up so idk why they don’t do anything about it

[bronze talon]

idk bud its just crazy

[hoary frost]

You know i saw something really interesting. on reddit again lol
so someone said, why are you talking about a company like it's an object not a person (??) and then talked about staff working there have to be paid by company so implying we can't treat it like it is evil
but the thing is, these people go against creative directors , etc. the one who they take side of is the one who are involved in the financial side of things (aka those who are just there to appease to investors )

not only mhj but producers like 250, frnk, black q etc are important part of njz as well

[clear hill]

And the crazy part is ppl refuse to acknowledge MHJ’s legacy in kpop. They want to disregard her so bad esp Hybe but if she wasn’t important then why did BSH create a sub label for her to create her own gg with all the creative freedom? He even wanted her to take credit of creating lsfrm. U don’t have to like her to admit that she is literally an icon in the kpop industry. Her portfolio includes girls generation, shinee, f(x), exo, newjeans, she is literally pioneering in her field

[hoary frost]

they actually do. u see everyone still is amazed over pink tape album. everyone still acknowledge njz aesthetics and music as top tier...they for some reason think hybe is the reason for that though lol
basically they like her creations but unable to say who is behind them

[clear hill]

Exactly. Also find it funny how hybe’s biggest problem w ggs is lack of brand identity whereas newjeans was the only exception. that says all we need to know about the situation tbh

[bronze talon]

red velvet too no? or am i missing something

[clear hill]

Company stans are seriously so delusional and imo it’s a slap in the face to the artistry that goes behind the work of these groups

[hoary frost]

yes red velvet too

[hoary frost]

just seeing that argument made me laugh lol. bcuz they are talking about people behind company. but they have no respect for those who are actually artists behind the scenes

[clear hill]

Omg yes I’m so stupid. How can I forget that one?😭literally got into red velvet bc of their concept

[bronze talon]

yea i got an exo album my brother bought back in 2015 and i just found it recently covered in a lot of dust to read into the credits and see her name twice on there, kinda cool

[hoary frost]

yeah redvelvet is how i got into kpop

[bronze talon]

i always was hooked by exo, literally
there was this "beef" back then between if bts or exo was better and i was always a bigger fan of exo lol
those 2 groups with bp later got me into this a bit and then took over in 2018

[clear hill]

And it’s so annoying when ppl blamed newjeans for everything too. Like when they blamed newjeans for the reason why most songs coming out in 4gen were mostly English, mostly chorus, short, “kpop without the k” etc like they want to deny their impact yet blame them for it😭 yet red velvet w mhj IMO was one of the most kpoppiest kpop group’s to ever come out in 3rd gen. I literally correlate Russian roulette to kpop subconsciously bc of it

[bronze talon]

not only that but they probably have the best music direction back in the day too
its literally undeniable tho idk if she was part of the music production team

[hoary frost]

red velvet and loona is the group that make me get into kpop. really loved their creative direction

[clear hill]

It’s clear MHJ wanted to do something different, she stated that she wanted to take a different approach with newjeans that the industry hasn’t done before

[bronze talon]

yea but what we can all agree on that she has one of the largest impacts on kpop history all time, quite literally

[clear hill]

Same omg. The storytelling aspect of a group is soooo crucial for me. Maybe it’s just bc as an art student it’s so satisfying seeing the bigger picture rather than concepts but it’s such a breath of fresh air when the group is clearly well thought out and not just a money generating scheme

[hoary frost]

• blame njz for things
• then say ppl are making things up when they ask njz has impacted other groups

[bronze talon]

she took multiple gens to a diff level and by storm

[hoary frost]

yeah i agree. really loved the storytelling njz also did in their music videos like cool with you and ditto...super fresh

[bronze talon]

already true when you see that their album sales with content is no gamba aka no random photocards, she just does not care about it, its so authentic

[clear hill]

Yea I’m not sure but if she was then it would make a lot of sense, her creative direction for the visual aspects are extremely cohesive with the musical aspect

[bronze talon]

100%

[hoary frost]

idont think she was. she was just in visual branding team

[bronze talon]

ye probably no record on that

[hoary frost]

fx music and aesthetics were also very ahead of their time

[clear hill]

Yea I remember that caught my attention when they first debuted. They took an extremely different approach with everything and even thinking ab it now their debut is one of the most impactful debuts of all time for me

[bronze talon]

sadly wasnt into kpop much back then
was on a diff music trip so didnt get to experience that

i had my diff music phases
i do wish i had experienced it :/

[hoary frost]

and they had one of the most impactful first comeback too

ditto is oneof the most impactful songs in kpop imo

[bronze talon]

story telling song

i rly wish her being back working with the girls when they both are free from legal battling
cant wait to see if they ever do work tgt again (will 99% happen bc thats what the girls wanted and still want and it was literally in their 14 day clause) and what they will put out next. who knows what miracle kpop wonder they will bring again

[hoary frost]

Yeah but most of all i want to see the girls back together as a group, rest of the things can come later

[clear hill]

Yeah the storytelling for ditto and omg sold me on new jeans. At first I didn’t wanna get into them bc of all the controversies surrounding mhj but it was so hard not to admit that they made good music. Not a single skip in their discography. The creative direction witg their outfits, music videos, it was so well thought out and such a breath of fresh air in a very saturated industry. Everyone pushes out what’s mainstream and what’s popular and it’s so nice to artistry get prioritized over overall popularity and trends

[hoary frost]

oh exact same. thought debut was decent but tenative as well. but ditto completely won me over

not really about mhj but other things

[clear hill]

No bc I’m sooo curious about the album mhj was working on for them. The snippet literally went viral and we don’t even have the full album 😭

[bronze talon]

them just staying healthy, not worried too much and most importantly together united is the most important thing in this whole drama

[bronze talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQT93bv5aSM i mean, look what we could have (sort of)

[hoary frost]

yeah thats why i was glad to see dani with fans recently. i think she's actually been really glowing recently (noticed in her live as well)
hopefully the situation is not getting to the girls

[bronze talon]

ye the time off is def noticable, its like a recharge for them

[clear hill]

Exactly. I think along w loona it actually made me think and dissect the meaning behind it which u don’t really do w kpop songs. They’re more catchy and more consumer based than creativity

[bronze talon]

i mean just look
its literally unbeatable concepts and music direction

[clear hill]

Yeah it’s nice to see her glowing. You can tell she’s spending a lot of time w her sister. But at the same time I can’t say the same for Hanni,haerin and hyein. As much as I know how strong hanni is I can only imagine how hard it is for her esp how Hybe is really pushing this hanni being a bully narrative out.

[hoary frost]

i think thing with njz is that not only its creative but its very catchy and easy for people to like as well

[clear hill]

Yeah. MHJ reaaaally found the sweet spot w creativity and catchiness.

[hoary frost]

Iam especially feeling angry at the narrative surrounding hanni. they are completing targeting her and not only that but alot of remarks are focused on xenophobia. along with writing weird fanfics about her.

btw not to bring twitter drama here but just found this funny 🤣 girl is literally glowing (hate is so forced)...reminds me of that image for hyein

however hanni and minji also went on vacation together. so hopefully she had a nice recharge there as well

[bronze talon]

dani is most likely just chillin
she is very nooby with social media, i remember her saying she doesnt use it (or much)
so i hope the other 4 arent looking at sns too much or at least see the negative side of all of this

[hoary frost]

yeah hopefully are enjoying with family and friends during this time

[clear hill]

Yeahhhhh it’s so fucking frustrating seeing people just be blatantly xenophobic towards her. With the whole illegal immigrant thing it really frustrates me seeing people esp knetizens be so ignorant towards her. Newjeans have brought SO MUCH interest to SK and even their tokyo dome fanmeet managed to bring unity to japan and sk. It’s really unfortunate to see a hardworking and passionate idol get mass hated on like this:(

[clear hill]

I really hope hanni is enjoying time w her family. Ppl forget that she literally moved to Korea as a minor and said goodbye to her family to chase her dreams. that must’ve been so scary for her to be away from home, esp in a completely foreign country that you’re not super familiar w the language

[bronze talon]

it is but dont forget
this is just the internet and a small portion compared to how many people love them, it really is just a super little amount even if it looks a lot bc theres so "many" internet people talking bad about them and a lot of it gets support. it sucks but still only a small portion of the actual people that know and listen to them

afterall its just opinion battle vs opinion battle in a lot of cases. ofc theres just straight hate and ignorance on facts but yea

you cant make everyone happy in your life and its also not meant to be
some people are just better off not being in your life

[clear hill]

Yeah you’re right. It’s just very unfortunate they have to go through all of this. No idol should have to go through this

[hoary frost]

tbh i dont think njz usually hated in korea...other than a certain demographic...i actually think most of this weird xenophobic stuff was coming from international fans
but onething i did findout
they apparently became a target for specific forums etc after they handed out food at the impeachment rally

[bronze talon]

most hate is international i can tell you that

[old cypress]

lol that person is 56 years old

[hoary frost]

[bronze talon]

lol

[hoary frost]

Lol...not really surprising tbh

[old cypress]

armies lol

[bronze talon]

like always 😭

[clear hill]

Wtfffff:( that’s so fucked up. I didn’t even know they handed out food, that’s so sweet of them and the fact that they would hate on them for that is crazy

That is so sad seeing mostly international fans be xenophobic towards hanni... I would’ve never expected that honestly.

[bronze talon]

knowing how stans act online it really does NOT surprise me especially to take companies sides 💀

[hoary frost]

yeah its really not surprising to me either at all tbh

[clear hill]

Ok but why are they so adamant on hating new jeans??? Like why them? And didn’t V work w MHJ on his latest album or something?

I thought BTS loved newjeans

[bronze talon]

company stans

[clear hill]

Doesn’t bts hate Hybe tho 😭

[old cypress]

Partly because of that news of mhj claiming bang pd copied her to create bts

[bronze talon]

dont give them too much attention

[hoary frost]

its not just company stan tbh. its alot of factors at play.

[old cypress]

and things kinda snowballed from here

[clear hill]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-well-yes-tokyo-toni-tokyo-toni-fphobix-fph0bix-gif-27503865

[hoary frost]

i think also there is a whole marketing thing that was done
that bts made hybe
so insulting hybe is like insulting bts

[old cypress]

and the shaman thing about bts as well

[old cypress]

well bts members own hybe stock so hybe's loss is bts' loss indeed

[hoary frost]

eh...it wasnt that much was it

[clear hill]

LOLLLL they actually take that seriously

[old cypress]

it's in order of millions of usd

they own about 8M each or something like that

[hoary frost]

yeah but it doesnt really give voting power does it

[old cypress]

no it doesn't

[hoary frost]

i did hear they sold alot of their stock

[old cypress]

some sold some haven't, I don't really keep up but jungkook had 5.6m worth of hybe stock "stolen" recently (to be more accurate, it was an attempt to steal that money)

[short laurel]

everything they say on kkt or do anything under hybe wifi goes through hybe internal network be4 it goes outside a standard practice at work places. They probably stored that data Which btw is illegal in korea but idk why it's not talked about much.

[old cypress]

do you have a source for that?

[short laurel]

Hybe itself said they got msges from the cloud.

[old cypress]

if it's the cloud it's probably just some automatic backup

[bronze talon]

they dont care
they wanna have as much control over everyone as possible
remember the live dani did at 4 am talking about how much controlling they did to the point she couldnt express her own feelings anymore and her not being herself anymore, the carefree dani she wants to get back. yea thats the level of control those companies wanna have

[short laurel]

Still employees personal storing data used under there internet is illegal

[bronze talon]

if you cant even eat a meal without asking beforehand i dont wanna know how much they really watch over

[clear hill]

The fact that ppl thought she was being dramatic for saying that too

[old cypress]

yeah KG said similar things when she exposed JYPE but people just don't care

[short laurel]

That's idols. employees have legal protection in sk. Hybe violated that when they stored her kkt chat in cloud. Auto or not doesn't matter

[bronze talon]

like they ever do lol especially international people, well international haters