NJZ Updates and Discussion

[craggy skiff]

unexpected hybe birthday gift

[hoary frost]

tbh but
guys, forum is not full picture
most normal ppl dont lurk on forums

[upbeat stream]

That's true, but at the same time, people were saying it wouldn't affect ssera either and it did. I know njz is bigger than them but it's kinda impossible to tell what the real impact will be

[subtle matrix]

A lot of times it isn't even a matter of public opinion shifting, but just one side coming out to comment when something goes their way

e.g. when NJZ lost the injunction the anti-NJZ crowd will comment a lot but NJZ fans will be more quiet

[short laurel]

Remember injunction result just came out so alot of hating bots on. They'll go away within a week

[subtle matrix]

if NJZ wins the main lawsuit then NJZ fans will come out and celebrate and haters will crawl back to their holes

The volume of comments from either side will vary depending on what's happening, doesn't necessarily mean there are more or less people supporting NJZ

At least among kpop fans who are following this story

GP is more easily swayed because they're not as invested, but they're also less likely to keep engaging with it

Personally I think whichever way it goes it's possible NJZ never reaches the same popularity they had in their first 3 years, but they'll always have a massive following

Like at worst they're still be a top 3-4 most popular gg with a good probability of still being 1-2 depending on what happens to blackpink (I think they're pretty much disbanded after this year)

[hoary frost]

I agree. if they keep their same quality and great concepts they will be fine. they got popular for their music quality and artistic vision

[midnight yarrow]

BP have nothing to do with the future top girl groups tbh. They're a decade old next year.

MHDHH can easily reclaim their market share when they return. The fact they've barely lost any despite this nasty legal dispute is almost as impressive as all their other accomplishments

And I need Bunnies to stop worrying about comments and reactions on those clickbait articles. Majority of the negative comments are from 40 and 50 year old men. Actual Hybecels. Their thoughts should mean nothing to us.

[old cypress]

most people are dead tired of this shit they're tuning out. Only people still tuning in after a whole year are hardcore fans, antis, and people who live on the internet

[old cypress]

lesserafim lost steam because of the anti-hybe sentiment. Other hybe groups suffered the same fate. But lsfm is still doing well it's not like the group crumbled and got canceled

The average korean isn't gonna be a company stan, they see newjeans fighting against a rotten conglomerate they're gonna side with newjeans. Not to mention that all the celebs they stan love/support newjeans

Remember when everyone went with MHJ when she did her presscon. It's because she spoke up against the corporate world. That feeling might have subsided but it's gonna take a lot for hybe to actually flip the opinion

[storm warren]

atp i dont care about success or whether they will be top10 or top5. just hoping this lawsuit does not derail their career too much, hoping they heal bc i know they are hurt, hoping they establish or find workplace that will support them, treated well and just move on together and leaving all this in the past

their well being is my main concern atm bc i know theyre aware of everything and i know all this leaves scars whether u want it or not, no matter how brave they are, they are still young or just left teenage years behind. for everything else, i believe there is always a solution. even if they lose all cases, it wont be the end of the world. it will certainly relieve their burden if they win tho

just hoping the best for the girls as they deserve to leave this nightmare in the past

[frozen granite]

I keep seeing NewJeans disbanded on TikTok is that true? I haven’t been keeping up with all of this

[hot girder]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-nah-gif-17789673818039441753

[thorny knot]

nope don't believe everything you see on the internet, especially about newjeans

[cinder narwhal]

bruh you're a regular here

[subtle matrix]

Get your head in the game bruh

[hushed violet]

Is there any context to njz recent stories and any translations?

[heady gate]

MHJ hearing today?

[timber shell]

celebrating 1000 day of njz and greeting for bunnies

[copper current]

https://x.com/soyamoyas/status/1912272072761639170

soy 🏎️🏁 {slow mode} (@soyamoyas) on X

HYBE GASLIGHTING IN REAL TIME

To protect FRANTS and avoid accountability, Hybe is engaging in gas lighting. Hybe is paying for lying posts on Korean forums to change the narrative for commoners who don’t bother to look into the issue.

Let me break down their lies in this

X · Apr 15, 2025, 10:29 PM

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1912574648434495791

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250416 1tokki (@​juantokki) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/juantokki/status/1912574648434495791
“I won't expect these girls to change this society where Cain's answer is tolerated for the sake of better grades, higher chart records, higher property values, higher sales, and higher stock prices. Already owing too much, I jumped into this fight a year ago trying to repay even a little of that debt, but somehow the debt I owe to these girls never seems to decrease. However, since these girls' victory will have significant implications for this society, I want to do whatever little I can to contribute to their victory.”

This was such a beautiful read—thanks for writing it. 🙏

[rugged dagger]

"hugged"

be so fr

[cinder narwhal]

*x -c https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1912487819215532181

[harsh dove]

@PoppyKPoppie <t:1744807603:d>

what if njz loses after all the appeals? then they lose.

there’s so much riding on these two trials, but the truth is, south korea’s judicial system has been nothing but a disappointment.

and if njz loses, then they’ll do whatever it takes to break free from hybe. they'll do everything.

there is no going back — that door is shut. it’s not healthy. it’s definitely not safe. it never was.

this plan to erase njz from kpop history wasn’t born overnight. it’s been in motion long before the girls debuted. that kind of hate takes time to build — along with so much ego, and fear. you don’t try to destroy something so completely unless you see it as a threat.

these girls are standing up against a deeply corrupt and broken system. and while we all hope the tide will turn, the reality is that the people they’re up against are powerful, shameless, and capable of doing the unthinkable — again and again.

so how long can five young girls hold on?
longer than anyone ever expected.
because when you’re fighting for everything you love — everything you are — the will to survive becomes something else entirely.

never underestimate the strength of someone who has nothing left but everything to lose.

[cinder narwhal]

what even is that 5th paragraph

[polar owl]

Saw this comment on YouTube, and couldn't agree more

[knotty sparrow]

that's not good, let's keep being positive. I believe there's still a chance for them

[polar owl]

Suffering in silence is not an option for our girls. Whatever the outcome is, it is better than being in a toxic environment and losing your mind slowly but surely.

[hollow sorrel]

ugh can we get rid of kim sanghoon

[craggy skiff]

what wrong with him?

[hollow sorrel]

he is the same judge who did the injunction for NJZ

nothing is wrong with him, but he’s rather conservative I think and I looked into it, he has a financial background

ofc this doesn’t mean anything, he favored mhj during her first injunction so if everything keeps going well it should be alright

[craggy skiff]

sound bad. he give mhj favor before not mean he in her side
Maybe it just because hybe's accusations too ridiculous so he can not approve it

[hollow sorrel]

a financial background can explain why he favored ADOR’s profit over the girls’ artistic freedom in the injunction

since mhj’s lawsuit is mainly about her put option and contract it could actually benefit her so idk

[mild mist]

I wonder who 'one other person' is

[storm warren]

he is in charge of main lawsuit for MHJ shareholders agreement?

https://x.com/aarrttee01/status/1912748188597121236

.🩵 (@aarrttee01) on X

🚨4/17.다음 재판은 6월12일😑하붕이 양아치니? 니들이 회사 정관까지 개정해서 쫓아냈으면, 그 이유를 입증하는 게 먼저지! Is HYBE a thug? You amended the company’s articles of association and kicked her out, so it’s your responsibility to prove the reason first!

X · Apr 17, 2025, 6:01 AM

i thought this trial was closed to public

[hollow sorrel]

Isn’t it that other ADOR executive

[hollow sorrel]

seems like it

[storm warren]

VP probably

[rain spade]

botth side doesn'tt want to prove anything fiirst

[short laurel]

So june 12 next date

[hollow sorrel]

I just don't understand how this case has been ongoing for 4+ months now, this is the 2nd hearing and they still haven't presented their arguments?

what I'm reading now is that it was 2 different lawsuits that are merging into 1

1. HYBE sues MHJ to confirm termination of shareholders agreement
2. MHJ sues HYBE to claim her put option payment

MHJ's side:
the put option was exercised before the contract was terminated therefore it is valid

HYBE's side:
the contract is already terminated therefore the put option is invalid

--> the 2 cases will be held parallelly

[hollow sorrel]

infographic reposted by the same user:

[short laurel]

That's how it is. These go extremely slow. That's why it takes years to resolve

[mild mist]

'judged separately' makes me think that they could do something completely chaotic and have conflicting decisions

[bronze jetty]

there’s a reason why i have poppy blocked lol

[waxen musk]

Updated pinned schedule.

The old portion of that schedule is going to get really long.

[subtle matrix]

I'm not a lawyer and don't know the internal working of any of these lawsuits obviously

But it's a bit strange to see Sejong appearing to stall a bit when time is not on MHJ's or NJZ's side

Ofc they must be working in a way that they believe maximizes their chances to winning the lawsuits

But after the NJZ injunction ruling they say they didn't have enough time to gather evidence, they don't really present anything else for the objection and instead focus on the appeal

They get to the 2nd hearing for the MHJ vs HYBE case and say they aren't providing a summary of key issues before HYBE proves their claims

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-meme-gif-8007840

[flint stone]

*x -c https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1912815541921956350?t=OsSyYCDTnj_oaprQRGxmOw&s=19

[harsh dove]

@PoppyKPoppie <t:1744885738:d>

to challenge mhj to submit proof when this woman can whip up a 1,000 page explanation, spend 10hrs at a police station for questioning, hold a press conference and talk non-stop for 2 1/2hrs with ppt's...one should really think twice before asking her what proof she has..

[flint stone]

https://x.com/PoppyKPoppie/status/1912816409929031983?t=wQXVYkQ9NOxtkIKuqENmJQ&s=19

PoppyKPoppie (@PoppyKPoppie) on X

sejong's official statement.
also, sejong educating kim & chang like they're nugus at court. hahahaha. totally made my day.

X · Apr 17, 2025, 10:32 AM

[old cypress]

Seeing how the judge handled claims during the njz injunction I wouldn't want to be the one proving either

Joke aside, if the burden of proof lies with hybe, it's their job to provide evidence and hybe is the one stalling

[craggy skiff]

Did they edit her eye? She look so evil. lol

[old cypress]

I don't see anything

[hollow sorrel]

is her put option 20 million usd?

[grizzled summit]

what if they lose the appeal? think about htat as well no?

did the results for the mhj trial come out or the ruling has to come out still

[storm warren]

should not court give direction in this case and tell hybe to submit it? this judge had no problem saying the burden of proof was on njz

its second hearing yet they dont know which party has burden of proof?

[storm warren]

if they lose, lose. not something we can control, gotta wait main lawsuit

[storm warren]

its ongoing as u can tell by reading above sources

[grizzled summit]

same judge for both hearings?

[storm warren]

naturally yeah

[grizzled summit]

ok

[cinder narwhal]

is it time to panic

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/shamanjz/status/1912761935298458044

[narrow seal]

250417 Shamanz MHDHH (오빠) (@​shamanjz) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/shamanjz/status/1912761935298458044

1. Judge Nam In-Soo presided

2. 10 lawyers for 10 mins? Dafuq.

3. Approximately 26 billion won at stake💸💵💰 as long as hybe gets poorer🤭😂

4. Hybe wasn't prepared.

5. Sejong was armed to the teeth. But i'll let @kumachan982 discuss this😎

https://m.entertain.naver.com/article/076/0004267338

[split bramble]

you know sometimes i feel like mhj is handled by the big shots while njz gets the autistic lawyers, the way mhj always comes out all guns blazing is a sight to behold

[empty halo]

real

but also MHJ and nwjns issues are just extremely different, im not really sure about what MHJ's case is all about but maybe it's more clear cut. Nwjns case which revolves all around the breakdown of trust is not, so I guess it's not as easy for them

to provide "clear cut" evidence, it was a buildup of issues over time that's all he said she said

[old cypress]

It's kind of ironic that mhj lawsuit is arguing that their contract cannot be unilaterally terminated while njz lawsuit is arguing that contract can be unilaterally terminated. I know that both contracts are completely different in nature but the irony is still there

[cinder verge]

can someone briefly explain the situation between hybe and mhj for dummies who arent tapped in like that pls

[storm warren]

the irony of the same judge who put burden of proof on njz has not done same in mhj vs hybe case despite already 4 months passing and second hearing being completed

[subtle matrix]

Wouldn't have been a good idea for NJZ and MHJ to have been represented by different law firms to avoid conflicts like these?

[old cypress]

very quickly : In her shareholder contract mhj has the right to sell back her ADOR shares to hybe for a lot of money. But hybe terminated it unilaterally so they don't have to pay mhj.

[storm warren]

different lawyers work on different cases

[old cypress]

No, it's a big law firm

[cinder verge]

wow thanks

[subtle matrix]

Yes it's not the same team working on both cases but ultimately it's the same law firm. They're not going to want to damage their other cases

[old cypress]

the cases are unrelated

[subtle matrix]

Okay but they're not right. Like not really

HYBE pushing MHJ out is one of the reasons by NJZ to unilaterally terminate their contract

[upbeat stream]

I agree. Sejong is a big law firm but there are others in its league like Yulchon, Bae Kim and Lee etc. They should have gone for a different one

[empty halo]

the terms of their contract were different but still funny

[hollow sorrel]

why would it be a problem that they work with Sejong? The lawyers at Sejong are probably already familiar with the way HYBE operates legally, because of their work with MHJ.

also let's not forget that Sejong is responsible for helping JYJ get out of SM which was a historic case in kpop and brought positive change

[empty halo]

yeah right the main lawsuit hasn't even started, maybe after it starts and we get info its appropriate to discuss whether or not sejong is a law firm fit to work w the members which im pretty sure it is, them, their family and team know what they're doing

[old cypress]

You know very well that their contracts are different. Ruling that you cannot unilaterally terminate a contract in case A doesn't affect the other case and vice versa. The cases are unrelated. They're not discussing the same thing at all.

[subtle matrix]

I wasn't trying to make a point that they're the same situation I might've not made that clear

[old cypress]

There's no way they can damage each other cases since they're not the same situation. Moreover no judge is gonna say "well your buddies at sejong argued otherwise in that other case I saw it on the news lel"

[subtle matrix]

Of course not. But if Sejong had a piece of evidence that helped one case but hurt the other, would they present it?

I'm not saying this can or will happen I just asked if it wouldn't make sense to have a different law firm represent the two parties to remove any possibility of this happening

[old cypress]

Of course this could happen but I'm sure using the same law firm has benefits as well otherwise they'd have picked a different one

And in any case the piece of evidence will probably be used in both cases anyway, it's not like attorneys can destroy it. Once again it's 2 different teams within the same law firm

So yeah they would probably present it. They're different teams. But I'm no lawyer so what do I know

[leaden thistle]

Can anyone summarize todays news or updates? Saw smth abt mhj tho

[acoustic verge]

No. That would be conflict of interest and they would have to drop one of them as clients. Or keep it private altogether

Even if they dropped one, they still may not be able to share that info. Depend how they got it

[wary creek]

i think newjeans case will really rely on mhj winning her case.

mhj losing will make newjeans demand of reinstatement of mhj look real bad

[copper current]

She needs to dry Hybe out of money

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1912835934053417207

[narrow seal]

250417 Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@​kumachan982) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/kumachan982/status/1912835934053417207
These members of Loona lost the injunction too, but got supported in the appeal.
Now they have partially won the main lawsuit. Congratulations.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1913021695792644329

[narrow seal]

250418 webelieveingwarosa (@​webelieveinbots) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/webelieveinbots/status/1913021695792644329
OUR SUSPICIONS HAVE BEEN PARTIALLY CONFIRMED‼️
an anonymous person came out to state his experience as an illegal “commenter”, and briefed how they took control of the top posts section in NAVER easily by using macro programs and literally employing “part-time commenters”
#NJZ has been relentlessly subjected to malicious comments that seemed to have come like a flood immediately after the injunction, this had people asking themselves “why are there so many comments when nothing has changed?”

[bronze talon]

i mean isnt it known that companies or people pay others to comment certain narratives under posts and news articles?

[wary creek]

what do you guys think of the fifty fifty lawsuit and their downfall? i see some similarities and differences obviously

[cerulean lake]

well yeah but a company paying other companies/individuals to make hate comments and defamatory articles towards a group you’re trying to have back in ur own company bc they claim there was no breach of trust is…

[polar owl]

https://m.koreaherald.com/article/10468022

Wrong reporting 😔

[craggy skiff]

even if they not losing appeal, they still need to win main suit 💀

[cerulean lake]

why they keep saying appeal when the appeal hasn’t even happened yet 😭

[rugged dagger]

do we have an update on MHJ

[hoary frost]

I don't think anything. These are different cases

[hoary frost]

Of course, so don't take all these comments too seriously
There is alot of evidence of bot accounts being used to slander njz specifically
Hybe owning Tag Pr
It was discussed amongst kpop fans widely that they had suspicions over HYBE paying dispatch to stay silent. Nothing wrong with that for dating but shows how they are not strangers to paying such companies
Their documents also speak for themselves

Just don't start losing hope because of such comments. I know they may be demoralising but there are alot of elements at play here

[hollow sorrel]

Yes and at the end of the day most people who are “consumers” of NewJeans/NJZ don’t even really know what’s going on

[hoary frost]

Or they will move on quickly

[hollow sorrel]

like this twitter/tiktok/hate is a really really small portion of people.
It can be frustrating to see a hate tweet or tiktok with 20-30k likes or even more

[hoary frost]

Mostly, I think BTS fans are having such personal feelings about this
Is because to them, BTS made HYBE. Disrespecting HYBE is like disrespecting BTS. So there's slot o them and they took it personally. But most people, they'll move on

[hollow sorrel]

but at the end of the day most people who go to their concerts and buy their albums just have other things to care about and that’s what really matters for them as a business

[bronze talon]

If that's directed at me then I can assure you that I never believed in anything those comments say or think about this whole situation

[hoary frost]

Oh not at you

I am just saying in general to people here who start feeling demoralised. Because everywhere you look there's often alot of hate comments

[bronze talon]

Ye

[short laurel]

bet many of them not even know what kpop is. they jsut hating for the sake of hating.

[hoary frost]

Nah I think this is all parasocial kpop fans doing this honestly

[bronze talon]

Basically

[hoary frost]

Who are in really deep

[short laurel]

nope. there are some people as seen in kincle forum wh oare in it just to hate on girls for standing up against big corporate. they don't give a sh about kpop

[hoary frost]

Oh in Korea

Eng hate, which most are seeing is like all from kpop fans tho

[short laurel]

eng hater. they don't even support their fav as much as they hate njz.

[polar owl]

Can NJZ case dispel these age old biases?

[old cypress]

conveniently didn't mention loona or all the idols that broke free lol

[empty halo]

yeah but it's still kinda true, they are biased towards companies over individuals

[old cypress]

and in TVXQ lawsuit the court actually sided with tvxq so...

[empty halo]

that's why this is an admirable battle imo

[empty halo]

oh

thats good

also whys there a timer here it isn't that active of a chat

[old cypress]

jyj won their injunction and broke free pretty quickly but the main lawsuit dragged for years until sm eventually gave up and settled with jyj

there's a timer because the convo tends to get heated at times

[empty halo]

ohh i see

[rain spade]

compnay gave up on lawsuit

[short laurel]

loona members initially lost and won in appeal even though BBC was clearly not paying members. (i not really followed this case closely btw)

[hollow sorrel]

courts can allow termination even if one of the parties didn't violate a specific clause in the contract, but the trust relationship between the parties was broken.

that's what NJZ are focused on.
A lot of people like to get on social media and say "none of their reasons were strong enough" but that wasn't necessarily the point in the first place

supreme court precedent:

in NJZ's case, the unilateral dismissal and eventually ousting of MHJ is already a strong reason
not to mention the Shin Wooseok dispute

• HYBE wanting to replace 250 and FRNK with "Grammy winning producers"

changing management and creative direction without any discussion erodes trust, not to mention their other reasons

[heady gate]

If NJ stays at Ador Corp, they will face a hiatus while HYBE Corp searches for Grammy-winning producers. Now, they left HYBE and face a hiatus while fighting legal cases.

[stuck roost]

anyone know why njz is losing so many followers on ig

[hollow sorrel]

inactivity, it will probably come back once they start promoting and posting again

[old cypress]

not all, some members won and some lost. They had different contracts that was why

[hoary frost]

Chasing western validation I guess. Why do that when we have 250 and frnk producing hit after hit

[storm warren]

changed username, cleaned account, not posting. ppl think its deactivated

[hollow sorrel]

also is it just me, but it's extremely weird that for NewJeans it would take 1.6 years to look for a producer (according to Park Ji-won, previous HYBE CEO.)

but other HYBE groups/artists literally get huge producers, artists on their comebacks and remixes every few months

[heady gate]

It is a planned hiatus.

[hollow sorrel]

yeah I'm just saying how this contradictory
in the first main trial hearing I remember ADOR saying "ADOR is a part of HYBE and we can hire top quality producers for NewJeans"

but why would it take 1.6 years?
Le Sserafim for example worked with David Guetta, Pink Pantheress, JADE, Jungle, and a lot of other huge names in the span of 1 year

[heady gate]

Simple answer. Le S is HYBE's first girl group. If NJ remains active, they will overshadow them. That is why, HYPE suggested 1.6 years time frame.

[hollow sorrel]

well yes. I didn't want to say it

[heady gate]

Hopefully, NJ wins the appeal and remains active during the main case.

[heady gate]

That's why I'm following Dani's sister's Instagram. Hopefully, I'll see Danielle's family content.

[old cypress]

A lot of people just want entertainment and 'positive' feed from idols

[hoary frost]

This is kinda weird cause they seem to have different type of fanbase and wildly different music. Why so insecure

[subtle matrix]

tbf out of the names you mentioned only 1 was actually involved in the production of 1 song, the others just were featured on/made remixes of their songs. For newjeans they would have to get a new in house producer to work on all of their releases no? Different situation

However hybe is still massive and surely they wouldn't need a year and a half to get a producer, especially for newjeans

I'm not sure how Mark Ronson fits into any of this, didn't he get mentioned at some point

[hollow sorrel]

yeah many of them I was just highlighting how they can get popular singers/artists even on collabs (ik it's not the same, but kinda similar)

but I can look into it and I'm sure a lot of the producers for recent HYBE title tracks are done by big names

[subtle matrix]

Also there's no good reason for them not to keep working with 250 other than "we want to work with in house producers"

[hoary frost]

Yeah he did

I don't remember why either. I think to produce their song or something

[old cypress]

this is where the mark ronson thing came from

[wary creek]

i guess the question is if k pop artists have a say in their management/staffing. If getting rid of mhj and co. without talking to the artists first is fair.

[old cypress]

In theory they do not have a say in anything

[wary creek]

yeah that's what i was thinking..

[old cypress]

and they're contractually barred from speaking in public under the clause that they must not harm the group's reputation and their company's reputation. Which is why kpop idols usually suffer in 'silence'

However in practice, the more influential you are, the more you can force other people to do your bidding especially if the company is trying to keep you renewing

[hollow sorrel]

normally they wouldn't have a saying, but in NewJeans' case MHJ was responsible for the whole branding, creative direction and identity of the group as well as the management.

MHJ was their CEO, manager, producer and creative director.
She assembled the creative team behind NewJeans (music producers, video directors, choreographers, graphic designers)

so it is not just personell change it's collapse of the trust relationship

[wary creek]

i can see that. Hopefully that's how the judge sees it

[storm warren]

foreign producer would never be in house producer tho. it means theyd need to stay in Seoul

so we need to find Grammy winning producer excuse itself is flawed and nonsensical

[hollow sorrel]

the main trial's judge already shows signs of understanding of the situation

the injunction judge unfortunately didn't. we hope the court handling appeal will understand

[old cypress]

Yeah it's not a matter of allowed/not allowed. HYBE has every right to dismiss MHJ. However doing so harms NJZ and their work environment and that's where the problem lies

[hollow sorrel]

yeah except the original injunction said that she should remain CEO for the remaining 5 years (HYBE still dismissed her)

and I think even in her shareholder's agreement it said something like she has to stay CEO although I'm not sure about that one

[storm warren]

this is core issue. MHJ aside being CEO, was executive producer, she was in charge of everything as ador operated with management = production system. hybe/ador themselves acknowledged the system was different, wanted to separate them which means they knew the importance of production role which was left vacant since August, yet they have not found anyone to fill the vacant spot.

actually they should have found replacement since April because they attempted to kick MHJ in April first

their objective was to get rid of her, a year passed and they still have not found anyone to fill production role

[wary creek]

but to win njz case, they'd have to prove that not filling of the production role is of bad intentions and not incompetence? or it doesn't matter

[storm warren]

they did not care what would happen to NJZ at that moment, the goal was kicking MHJ, NJZ could be pacified later on. it was never on their agenda to listen to their artist, hear their concerns or solve the issue in a way that NJZ would not suffer as much as they did

[hollow sorrel]

and they completely misunderstand the production role in the first place.

Mhj was a producer who took into mind everything.
The tracklisting, the album packaging, the album cover, etc. (literally everything that has to do with the creative side)

Now that she is out and they hire Mark Russo or whoever, why would he be involved in something like album packaging??? They would probably just hire the people who do all the other HYBE albums and NewJeans would fade into the same mediocrity

[old cypress]

Long short story, the shareholder agreement can't legally force mhj to stay as ceo. https://x.com/juantokki/status/1851263046058197012 he explains it better than i ever will

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

241029 Atty. Lee Hyun-gon Facebook post

“The Meaning of the Dismissal of Min Hee-jin’s Injunction Request

Why was the injunction request for Min Hee-jin’s reinstatement as CEO dismissed?

The shareholders’ agreement between Min Hee-jin and HYBE includes a clause guaranteeing a

X · Oct 29, 2024, 2:01 PM

[storm warren]

they did not misunderstand anything, they are misguiding judge and public with that

Sejong probably needs to bring up management = production practice of ador during mhj in a way that Kim & Chang wont derail the issue

[hollow sorrel]

yeah I know that I’m just thinking from like another perspective, but obviously their goal is to derail NewJeans

[storm warren]

k&c tried to derail it in first hearing and keep the topic hyper-fixated on MHJ. "NJZ can exist without MHJ" was the thing they were constantly bringing up to manipulate the perception that MHJ is not vital to NJZ

reducing the dispute to MHJ which Sejong avoided

[hollow sorrel]

are we going to get a new verdict for the objection?

[old cypress]

the appeal is next

[storm warren]

you mean written document?

[hollow sorrel]

yeah

[storm warren]

probably as everything gets documented

the judge thinks ador suffers the most damage as njz is their only asset regardless of what grievances njz has

actually even if ador had 10 other acts, theyd consider same

i wonder if there is a chance in appeal at all, but well they gotta try

[old cypress]

Yes since it'll be 3 judges so the interpretation could be completely different

[storm warren]

i dont have much faith but tokkium

[old cypress]

When you read the injunction report, you see that the judge dismissed njz on technicalities and weird logic and didn't consider the new ador as controlled by hybe. It felt like a matter of pov rather than hard evidence going against njz. The judge had a specific pov and judged everything from that pov. Different judges will have different pov

[cerulean lake]

need those news articles to stop saying the appeal result is out bc it’s also messing me up w what is supposed to happen

[cerulean lake]

yeah the judge for the injunction has a financial background and likes looking at things in that pic so that’s probably another reason

[old cypress]

it's because appeal and objection are kinda interchangeable words

[cerulean lake]

hm that’s pretty sloppy journalism especially if you need an objection before the appeal

[old cypress]

yeah it's sloppy but technically not wrong to call it appeal. The objection is essentially a direct appeal (appeal to the same court)

[thorn junco]

guys are they ever coming back 😔😔 ive been out of loop and js saw their objection got rejected

[rain spade]

Eventually, they will

[cerulean lake]

don’t know, it honestly depends on the appeal if we’re hoping to see them “sooner” and not have to wait for like almost a year to two

i’m not sure how i’m feeling rn bc it’s been kinda hopeless the past month but im just trying to find other things to focus on as of now just in case 😪😔

[frozen granite]

Even if they don’t they’ll always be with us no matter what! If they don’t I’d still be happy they were around tbh they changed my life for the better. Plus this goes in hand with the ditto lore

[vital orbit]

~t https://x.com/GannaKh59162707/status/1913338197901275298?t=Ht0Mj2O9kpe_Q0mX97lMQA&s=19

[narrow seal]

250418 illitology (@​GannaKh59162707) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/GannaKh59162707/status/1913338197901275298
@y2tokki @luvnyangtoz They did actually and their parents along side new jeans filled a petition against illit claiming they copied new jeans for having long black hair and wearing hanboks 💀

[vital orbit]

source?

ive heard of this i think but not from accurate sourcez

[leaden dragon]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1858361683426882025?s=46 i think i’ve only seen this on it

[subtle matrix]

The translation of the ruling I have access to is not very good so I can't say for sure

But it seems the parents did make a complaint about something, not sure if it was ILLIT though

[jade jolt]

~t
https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1913353535632065017

[narrow seal]

250418 Lia ✮ (@​Liasshy) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Liasshy/status/1913353535632065017
A comment has recently been found

A hybe employee on blind admitting that the Belift girl group was newjeans replacement, the concept was intentionally designed to harm newjeans brand

(From a Hybe employee)

[red thorn]

Petition against illit is a strecth
#1231839760759263232 message

[wary creek]

that employee testifying would be great

[short laurel]

Iirc a belift employee testified that belift took her planning. Then belift said even if they did copied nj, mhj action (which was internal report) harmed illit.

[wary creek]

dang that's crazy if true. Shows how hybe/belift don't prioritize njz

[storm warren]

It is not "petition", but what MHJ calls "whistleblower letter". plagiarism case was one of issues addressed. I remember someone translated full letter. It addressed UMG deal vs Tokyo Dome press announcement clash, the lack of quality of hybe shared services and several other issues

and yes, the letter was drafted with parents' approval. This was already talked in April and May 2024

[short laurel]

Ador paid hybe more than other labels for these services n got worse service

[storm warren]

idk if anyone has full trans, i read it back then, either cato or juan would have it probably. every point in that letter was reasonable and complaints about the said points existed across all labels and their fandoms. they chose to forget it bc "how dare mhj bring up hybe flaws"

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1854820466416078944

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

THE EMAIL

I know that much of what has happened since April 22 is still pretty unclear to the wider Tokki community. Some of you may be fully caught up on the details, while others might only have bits and pieces of information. There's very little coverage of this situation in

X · Nov 8, 2024, 9:37 AM

found it. kinda must read if u ask me

[heady gate]

Are those the correct hearing date?

[storm warren]

yes

[short laurel]

Check the source please. It might not be from hybe employees. Lia is not trustworthy at all

[stiff prairie]

anything good these days?

[wary creek]

haha i keep checking this channel for good news too

[grizzled summit]

mhj is soo busyo mg

[old cypress]

this is a great text, written and submitted internally before the public audit started so there isn't much incentive for mhj to distort facts

She explains so clearly the reasoning behind the plagiarism issue but all the low iq people get is "she said illit copied njz for having black hair skull emoji"

[hoary frost]

This is Blind
basically, you verify in the app with your workplace email, it puts you as anonymous with your workplace displayed

altho...?

[short laurel]

yes. but as u can c in screenshot account isn't under hybe but under government.

[hoary frost]

yea im confused myself. it doesnt say hybe

[short laurel]

https://x.com/gyang137137/status/1913410684295254387

걍🌻 (@gyang137137) on X

@valerii17_ @Liasshy This post was made by a Korean public official who is active on Blind and it expresses their personal thoughts. If a Hybe employee had posted something like this, it would have been immediately deleted. 😇

X · Apr 19, 2025, 1:53 AM

[hoary frost]

best not to spread this then

[copper current]

Good organized orientation documents for bunnies: https://sites.google.com/view/nj-transcript-archive/content-eng

[old cypress]

https://x.com/gyang137137/status/1913411585038754003 at least we get to find this nice reference material

걍🌻 (@gyang137137) on X

@valerii17_ @Liasshy This is a reference material that we(k-tokkis) use. plz read it.
https://t.co/mbRNQ5TohY

X · Apr 19, 2025, 1:57 AM

[short laurel]

disappointed that u guys found about this now.

[old cypress]

nobody mentioned it

ok it's a pretty simple document but useful still

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1913353535632065017

[narrow seal]

250418 Lia ✮ (@​Liasshy) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Liasshy/status/1913353535632065017
A comment has recently been found

A hybe employee on blind admitting that the Belift girl group was newjeans replacement, the concept was intentionally designed to harm newjeans brand

(From a Hybe employee)

[short laurel]

read the message we posted above.

it's not from hybe employee but civil servant. it's a government employee's msg.

[copper current]

ok

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/NjzNjzgirl/status/1913751006011105429

[narrow seal]

250420 jes🐰 (@​NjzNjzgirl) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/NjzNjzgirl/status/1913751006011105429
So antis reported the 'njzpopbase' an acc that only posted supporting njz and not about any other group? that's real jobless behavior can't they focus on reporting accounts that hate on their faves instead?

[dull geyser]

guys i haven't been here in a while and it's hard to find actual evidence and unbiased opinions online what happened during njz's first hearing?

i heard they didn't really put forward anything new

[hollow sorrel]

first hearing of the main lawsuit? that’s going pretty well I would say

they were mostly talking about mhj and her role in the company

[storm warren]

the first hearing is not supposed to put forward anything new, but rather define the issue at hand and both parties general stance. the main lawsuit will have multiple hearings

what new thing should they put forward anyways? the arguments are clear. the trust is broken down, the rest will be examined. i doubt you are going to hear any groundbreaking revelations

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1913797651402805375

[narrow seal]

250420 webelieveingwarosa (@​webelieveinbots) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/webelieveinbots/status/1913797651402805375
I-BUNNIES PLEASE BE AWARE
this is an issue that was already covered on the Korean side but we need to be hyper aware of the extent in which Hybe is trying to manipulate the fandom’s reputation and people’s perception of it
You might be familiar with Koreaboo’s recent post covering “tokkis apologizing to Kim jooyoung”
This all allegedly happened in a female dominated community called Yeoshi (short for 여성시대) Where an image as an apology to Kim Jooyoung started to spread and be described as a “product of a meeting” (when no actual fans can recall said meeting) and in “behalf of all fans” this wording already made people suspicious, and what also gave it away is the fact that the media coverage for it came extremely fast, a signal of coordination and planning .
Later a whistleblower whose post got deleted, confessed that the whole thing was false and that it wasn’t from tokkis.
Since the taly situation Hybe got a pass for putting the blame on NJZ for the fans actions so we have got to be extremely careful, and I promise to be more cautious myself as we never know what could happen.
Also this type of media play is aimed to portray NJZ as entitled girls who make the fans suffer because of their decisions and it is also aiming to pressure them into going back to ador

[waxen musk]

It's hard to know how effective any of this is being for Hybe. I guess we'll only really know whenever there are proper comebacks for NJZ in the future.

As long as there are a dedicated group of Bunnies who can separate reality from fiction, I think we'll be fine.

[short laurel]

if we c post like that "bunnies apologizing to hybe" again. we should criticize hybe more during that time for Impersonating bunnies.

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1913747592938422516

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250420 webelieveingwarosa (@​webelieveinbots) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/webelieveinbots/status/1913747592938422516
One of the little things that make me hopeful and disappointed at the same time is that everything that is used against #NJZ is misinformation, all of it, so it’s easily debunkable as lies don’t last, but at the same time it’s impossible to not notice how obvious these lies are, and how people are willingly lying to themselves in order to hate on the girls, but I can sleep well knowing that they have done nothing wrong and inevitably justice will come

[craggy skiff]

Remind me about how snipper "behalf of bunnies"
That is the best joke I have seen

[mild mist]

https://tenor.com/view/hbomberguy-tommy-tallarico-oof-roblox-gif-27261544

[hoary frost]

They are trying really hard to push agenda we want them back to ador/ we are sorry for ador

[leaden thistle]

Any important news for tdy or topics?

[leaden thistle]

Oh my, wait so hybe is impersonating as "bunnies"?

[short laurel]

someone is. we don't know if it's hybe or not. but they are usual suspect

[leaden thistle]

Is rlly hard to keep positive and real news upon twitter nowadays, i easily get confused

[copper jetty]

Yeah when koreaboo posted that article I was shocked cause nowhere in my timeline was any bunny apologizing, even k bunnies and even here we're very critical of Ador and it's management so I don't know where they got that. Like magically pulling that 💩 out of their 🌈 *ss.

[wise wagon]

hybe isnt even hiding that they're manipulating articles and media, so many articles were released about hanni 'lying' about the illit girlies not bowing to her when she stared from the very start that they did :[

both groups are full of sweet girls, they dont deserve to be under this awful company

[ornate zephyr]

so where's MHJ?

[storm warren]

its night, probably sleeping

[polar owl]

Hey, did Hyein come live or something?

[bronze talon]

Uh it's like midnight when the day turns

[fast lotus]

Idek what’s going on anymore

[craggy skiff]

another bsh loss weight post
he booking for this kind of post every month

[devout sequoia]

yeah

[jade jolt]

'' hot guy'' is crazy 💀💀😭

[devout sequoia]

fr no one wants him 😭

[empty halo]

still a pig, its about what's in his soul. He could become underweight and hed still be a pig

[devout sequoia]

what is he loosing weight for?? 😭

[cinder narwhal]

forgot I'm still following the fake minji ig

why they keeping this consistency up for lol

[steel depot]

his ozempic forgot his nose and ears

[hoary frost]

Just saw someone talking about how njz music was so good because they were on good terms with HYBE ...how misinformed kpop fans are

[empty halo]

these articles are so bizzare and never have a positive reaction from either knets or international fans

does bsh really feel that good reading articles like this? Is he THAT insecure?

[hoary frost]

Who even cares about him

[empty halo]

he's as hot as the depths of Antarctica

[steel depot]

obviously he even got insecure with a woman named mhj

[hoary frost]

I mean hot or not. He's just a nobody not worth paying attention to. Like who cares if he lost weight

[empty halo]

atleast we get bullshit content to make fun of

[steel depot]

idk why they have to write something about his weight lost xD but when a woman loses weight they won't praise her :3

[empty halo]

thank you, bsh's pathetic insecurity

[empty halo]

its just considered something to be expected, nothing praiseworthy, which it isn't btw it's just weight literally who cares

[steel depot]

right

[empty halo]

I just don't get why they don't stop from a PR standpoint people obviously know it's fake and hate on him for it 😭

[hoary frost]

Just see posts like this to remember
Hybe is often paying media outlets to put a favourable narrative I guess

I mean what even type of post is this

[short laurel]

1st he's like an idol like txt member, now he is hot guy. Such obsession. I think he failed in idol audition when he was young n yet to move on from that

[wary creek]

yo bro is taking a pic with his employees and being called hot. They posing for the paycheck lol

[hollow sorrel]

at least we can tell which meidia outlets are on HYBE’s paychecks

[red thorn]

Still need to bury juicy impact pic with this "diet" campaign lol
It was truly PR loss on visual battle aspect, parodied/meme'd, etc.

[craggy skiff]

if this is mhj with newjeans, comment section will filled with call out her weirdo and manipulation 💀

[empty halo]

wait this is actually so true, people legit couldnt even handle nwjns taking a picture with their CEO without calling it creepy but other HYBE groups have taken 100s of pics w bsh and it's just "uh whatever"

[short laurel]

Other idols praising their staff n ceo n other executive: kpop stans praise.
Njz praising their team: kpop stans eww that's weird n creepy.

[craggy skiff]

"feel bad for newjeans member bcs they were brainwashed by mhj"

[short laurel]

Why bsh was crying? I just saw pic of him crying but no context

[craggy skiff]

maybe another fake story like the difficulties he encountered in building his career "from nothing"

[midnight timber]

bc of lsfm yunjins speech ig

[subtle matrix]

Was he really? I saw a picture but didn't look like he was crying to me

[short laurel]

It was a very slight cry. Not much tears. But i didn't look at it closely, the pic i saw was not really good.

https://www.reddit.com/r/kpop_uncensored/comments/1iuo7g2/with_these_many_articles_against_them_bshhybe/?rdt=60844 @stiff prairie 🤣

[jade jolt]

Probably fake cry just to draw attention

[stiff prairie]

why does everyone know what you are doing and why all of the bad things are being reported?
so pressed lol. maybe do bad things less so there's less bad things to report on the first place

[short laurel]

comments there glazing hybe n bsh soo much

[stiff prairie]

nothing out of expectations. any comment mentioning they bought a pr agency is downvoted lol

[wary creek]

kpop uncensored subreddit hate newjeans

woah wild so bsh is a billionaire. I didn't know his net worth was around 3.2 billion dollars

[short laurel]

with political family part of ppp

[storm warren]

do they even check Naver

[subtle matrix]

I mean he founded and owns a large percentage of hybe lol it's a massive company

[craggy skiff]

who has more power?
❌ a man(who owns one of the biggest kpop companies)
✅ a woman(with a part-time shaman friend)

[short laurel]

ask any kpop stans(aside from those reddit hybe stans). they'll say most if not all kpop idol companies small or big are extremely toxic to their artists. it's crazy that a community exists to defend a company over idols.

[subtle matrix]

The problem is that none of those discussions can be had in good faith because kpop fans think everything is a slight on their ults

Unfortunately I don't think this can ever change because the industry itself incentivises competition

Awards shows, charts, sales numbers, etc

And korean culture itself is highly competitive which bleeds into the international fandom

[subtle matrix]

Probably controversial here but the fact that this server keeps going on about "hybe stans" is a perfect example of that, in multiple ways. On one side because I don't really believe "hybe stans" are a real, relevant group. Sure there are fans who have a personal connection and like to consume everything HYBE but realistically I don't think the online discourse is mainly driven by them. On the other side, the reason why people think "hybe stans" are a thing is because a lot of fans of all the other hybe groups who felt slighted by njz/mhj (LSF/ILLIT/maybe BTS?) felt they had a common enemy and now they all defend each other, effectively acting as real "hybe stans".

The group of people you identify as "hybe stans" are a flimsy amalgamation of multiple fandoms who probably don't actually gaf about hybe, it just serves their interests right now. If tomorrow LSF/ILLIT/BTS fans find any reason to fight amongst themselves instead of fighting NJZ/MHJ they won't think twice

Ofc there's levels to this, some groups do have a bigger overlap of fans so there's more tendency for this to happen, and hybe in particular probably has more overlap than the other big labels

And another argument for this is that you don't have to go that far back to see how commonly tokkis were accused of being the "hybe stans" themselves, before this whole war started ofc. It's kind of a meaningless label imo

[old cypress]

You're kind of stating the obvious here. Everybody knows no one actually stans hybe itself. Hybe stans exist because they defend its groups and they feel that any attack on hybe is an attack on its group

Hybe stans is just a short for "armys and fearnots and glitts" it's just easier to write

it's not that deep

[subtle matrix]

Yeah but words matter

It sets the tone for a discussion, it frames it in a certain way. Like I said I think it leads to not being able to discuss things in good faith

[old cypress]

no one is gonna write "fearnot and glitts and armys" every single time. And it's not entirely accurate since many fearnot, glitts and armies don't support hybe in the hybe vs mhj situation. Hybe stans or hybecels is both more precise and convenient

Moreover in korea there are incel communities who actively defend hybe, sniper21 and aespannjeans are from these places

I don't think anybody is referring to the entire lsfm illit and bts fandoms as hybe stans, we're just referring to those who are siding with hybe. So it's not a bad idea to use "hybe stans" rather than attack these fandoms.

[bold orchid]

Is it over for nj

[subtle matrix]

I agree that it is helpful, I just think that it is damaging to the discourse. It makes the discussion murkier

And tbh idk if your way of looking at it is shared with all or at least most people who use it

Because for example whenever I see people asking stuff like "why would people side with a company instead of the artists?"

When you look at it like you described it is perfectly clear. They're not siding with a company, they are (in their eyes) siding with their favourite artists vs other artists. It's just that siding with their favourites means siding with the company

[bold orchid]

I don't side with the company cuz they are cultists

[subtle matrix]

Or that sure

[old cypress]

I can't speak for everyone but i'm pretty sure most use hybe stans precisely to avoid including every fandom

[old cypress]

Yes and no, it's just semantics at this point. They're still siding with the company even though they do it for the artists.

[subtle matrix]

It's a roundabout way of supporting their artists in their eyes. A "the ends justify the means" sort of outlook

[old cypress]

They're also afraid of the hate their groups will inevitably get if hybe loses

[short laurel]

u guys never seen people glazing bsh, jyp, yg, lsm right.

[subtle matrix]

wdym?

[subtle matrix]

ofc, which is stupid because it's not like these online fanwars will do anything about the court case, their favourite artists will be affected either way, and being toxic online isn't helping them in any way

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/aarrttee01/status/1914252803943669826

[narrow seal]

250421 .🩵 (@​aarrttee01) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/aarrttee01/status/1914252803943669826
🚨4/21,한겨레. Is the ‘K-Pop Crisis’ Real? “HYBE, a leading company in the K-pop industry, has taken a hit both in terms of performance and public image - partly due to the suspension of activities by the hugely popular group NewJeans, and further compounded by the disclosure of the ‘internal idol-related documents’ authored by HYBE during last year’s National Assembly audit. These negative developments are said to be affecting not only other artists under HYBE but the broader K-pop industry as well. In fact, HYBE’s operating profit dropped by 38% last year compared to the previous year, marking its first annual net loss since going public in 2020.”, “ The decrease in album sales could rather be interpreted as the deflation and normalization of the K-pop album sales bubble, which had been exceptionally high globally amid suspicions of bulk-buying.”
📍When will the investigation into HYBE’s alleged bulk-buying practices take place?😒 하이브의 음반 밀어내기 조사 언제해?
🔗https://t.co/TjzcIZJJ8w

[hoary frost]

I don't agree. Actually I know alot of people who defend the company really hard and all of their choices. Inpart because of Njz situation, actually you will see them make every excuse under the sun for what they did and also because alot of fan think BTS made that company and it's theirs. Altho they own very little share, it's media play by bsh
So this is what I call hybe Stan. And I am seeing them a lot. Even from other fandoms

[hoary frost]

Hahaha so funny. They have a narrative about her and they're gonna stick to it until the end

[hoary frost]

Just a small humble company

The comments are so delulu lol

They're defending hybe in there like it's their favourite nugu kpop group

[vale grove]

Do we have any updates that aren’t media play or speculation? Just popping in

[subtle matrix]

Isn't that kinda what I described? BTS fans are the biggest culprits of defending HYBE because a lot of them think as if BTS is effectively HYBE in itself

[hoary frost]

Yeah but alot are supporting bsh too

And it's not just BTS fans honestly. Ppl create poor victim hybe narrative(lol)

See look at that Reddit post. It literally looks like HYBE fandom. I mean it doesn't matter who it's from or whatever. But those type of ppl is what I call hybe Stan

[subtle matrix]

ofc bc they see an attack on hybe or bsh as an attack on BTS

[short laurel]

BSH, LSM, YG, JYP. these guys have their own fandom and those fandoms will defend their companies no matter what.

[vale grove]

Hybe has a longggg history of having corrupt/crappy people on their team. I still remember when the whole manager yelling at jungkook and raising to hit him controversy happened. Idk I never understood company Stan’s

[hoary frost]

I mean does it matter. They're still hybe Stan. Nobody is a company Stan in a vacuum

[short laurel]

iirc that manager was fired after public demanded action

[vale grove]

Oh yeah he was dismissed

[short laurel]

reminds me of how people defending nintendo cus of palworld. even though palworld did nothing wrong

[vale grove]

Still crazy tho yk I never understood that mentality of defending companies against artists

[subtle matrix]

That was my point, I think it does matter if you want to understand why they act like that. It changes how these things are discussed

[short laurel]

ultimately. we are dealing with people who stan bsh and people who thinks hybe getting harmed will harm their group. and hybe stans consist of both of these.

[hoary frost]

Not really. There's alot of reasons for thisand they are stuck in their beliefs. Hybe Stans are all type of ppl so it's a fine catchall term. I don't really need to go deep into their psychology

I mean it's pretty easy to see y they would do it

[subtle matrix]

And yet 6 minutes ago someone in this thread said "I never understood that mentality of defending companies against artists"

[hoary frost]

Well that's not me is it

Oh yea and one more thing. Alot defend HYBE bcuz of their hatred for mhj

I think these r reason for ppl from other fandoms to do join in this hybe fandom event

[short laurel]

sm groups stans who got this ingrained in them that everything wrong with sm is mhj's fault, even though she's been out of sm for years and sm only gotten worse. 🤣

[hoary frost]

Lol what. She didn't have that sort of power

Just a creative director in sm no?

[old cypress]

doesn't help that bts members own HYBE stock

[short laurel]

yea. she started as small position iirc and promoted to cd over time.

[hoary frost]

Isn't this kinda a media play. It's not much

[old cypress]

they own about 1% of hybe (together)

[short laurel]

didn't 1 member sold his stocks later on ?

[old cypress]

that was after selling. But they're still selling sometimes yes

[short laurel]

ohk

[old cypress]

a lot of people in hybe made absolute bank with the IPO. BSH gave stocks to many people before the IPO and they made a lot of money

[subtle matrix]

Right but I'm not trying to argue everyone thinks this way, just that a lot of people do. And it leads to kinda pointless discussions

[short laurel]

yea the stock fraud case they discovered last november/december. when is SK going to investigate that. when is their current political drama gonna calm down.

[old cypress]

I think the yoon situation stalled a lot of things

[hoary frost]

Well I don't really see the issue with using hybe stan term so I'll continue to use it

[subtle matrix]

It's a free country

[old cypress]

when you see how armies dismissed jungkook words when he spoke up in support of newjeans and armies refusing to believe that V is a close friend of MHJ, it's pretty concerning

[short laurel]

idk about close friend. but he do seem to respect her enough to work with her and wish her on her birthday. and this despite knowing that bsh and mhj are beefing. since the 2 have been in beef since be4 ador creation.

army should c this point honestly.

[old cypress]

MHJ said V has been calling her often during enlistment

[acoustic verge]

Oof. Yunjin from LSF just posted a pic of them, Illit, and Katseye at their concert

[storm warren]

and how is this relevant to NJZ

this is not hybe family daily discussion chat

[acoustic verge]

k

[storm warren]

[hot girder]

"hybe family" my ass

[subtle matrix]

Katseye and her are close because she's american

[analog depot]

Any recent updates

[vale grove]

I noticed they posted handwritten letters on insta but don’t understand a

[old cypress]

pit stop fake mv is still online and has 800k views now

[storm warren]

its hyein replying to fan letters. there might be translations in #newjeans-chat

[craggy skiff]

Btw, the korean army just had another minor accident during military training.
I hope that there won't be any new drama from another celebrity tomorrow

[vale grove]

Thank goodness I thought it was smth else 😭

[vale grove]

Honestly wish they would just come out and say it’s fan creation

[hoary frost]

Lmao wtf. just checked comments. ppl talking as if its real

[old cypress]

that's what they want, silenced idols interacting with each other

[hoary frost]

Lol what...?

They are sister groups taking photo 2gether. whats so deep about it

[storm warren]

nothing. njz just lives rent free in their minds

they cant celebrate or be sad without including the main characters

everything is about njz. their faves crying? its bc of njz. their faves happy? its bc of njz. almighty njz is the source of their happiness and sadness. 😂

[short laurel]

Creator replies to other as if they are njz n judging by some comments replies, they seem to remove people who point out that it's not official account.

[short laurel]

Cuz njz gives these accounts clicks. Without njz these accounts will have no interactions

[wise wagon]

they're purposely being provocative it's sick

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Nai_KiwiNWJNS/status/1914147404934246601

[narrow seal]

250421 THIS 🥝✨ GIRL 🩵 NJZ (@​Nai_KiwiNWJNS) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Nai_KiwiNWJNS/status/1914147404934246601
How is this not blowing up in every kpop news networks is beyond me. Oh that's right hybe controls all sorts of media

[short laurel]

How is this guy related to hybe?

" Ryu Hee-rim, chairman of the Korea Communications Standards Commission, is suspected of being related to “Danworld”."

[copper current]

I don’t remember but read somewhere about Dan world and Hybe are related

[hoary frost]

Don't tthink he is...?

I googled abit and got nothing

I guess they r saying because hybe rumoured to have connections. and nobody is reporting on this

[short laurel]

Bunnies making needless drama. Smh

Ppl need to remember every big name in korea has control over media, it's not just hybe

[cinder narwhal]

bunnies since the injunction loss, maybe even further back

[floral heron]

Sooo I’m here again bcs everytime I see news about njz the comments and reactions are always about the girls being “entitled” and “ruining their career” but I’m so confused bc aren’t they mistreated 😭 or is this just another hate train

[cinder narwhal]

just grasping at straws atp

[cinder narwhal]

if you really believe something (like things the girls have said) you wont get confused by something as shallow as comments

[ashen charm]

when the korean media lie about njz

[heady gate]

HYBE corp earning report on April 29. (On next Tuesday)

[shut kelp]

i hate how they still made it about the girls

[lethal hound]

definitely hate train. its because most english speaking fans are BTS orginated fans so they are pro hybe

[hollow sorrel]

~t https://x.com/marshmaiiowjin/status/1913738333735571865?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

[narrow seal]

250419 Roars 🇺🇦 (@​marshmaIIowjin) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/marshmaIIowjin/status/1913738333735571865
Newjeans received from hybe years of free training, no trainee debt, $34M debut budget, all members were paid since their first month, they were paid $7M a year as rookies - and still position themselves as icons and representants for groups going through... this

[hollow sorrel]

Why are they making this about NJZ and 5.5k people liking it like people are really really dumb

[orchid field]

no injunction appeal court dates yet yah?

[heady gate]

not yet

[orchid field]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-staring-at-sun-cute-dog-dog-closed-eyes-dog-staring-at-sunset-gif-10310895250239531072

[arctic sky]

Cant believe this thread still exists

[storm warren]

34M usd debut budget is fake as hell. financial reports are available online. ador had 16M USD assets upon creation.

[storm warren]

because njz is what unites them, the image of one common enemy who stood up against their favorite company that houses their favorite corporate shill faves

[hollow sorrel]

yeah also njz are one of the best selling kpop acts why is their paycheck being compared to everglow it's just so ridiculous

[storm warren]

.

[storm warren]

everglow comparison is ridiculous. og ador prided themselves in treating artists well. mhj bragged about how she paid well members, got them nice apartment, made sure the girls spent time w families and took break after every comeback. that was the environment she created. how is it credited to hybe?

some of hybe idols havent seen their families for 2 years since debut, they get hiatus from physical and mental exhaustion

fromis didnt even get paid as revealed and given how they are sensationalizing njz earnings, it seems others get paid miserable amounts despite breaking their backs by touring 3 times a year

njz had the most successful debut since bp. 8 million cd sales, 30-40 CF deals, billions of streaming across multiple platforms lmfao ofc they get paid what they earn

[hollow sorrel]

exactly this! and a lot of people under the comments are indirectly proving that njz are actually right by mentioning their privileges

their "privileges" were a result of their hard work and mhj's (+ og ador's) efforts, not HYBE
after HYBE ousted mhj and restructured ADOR of course they would lose trust in the company

this is basically them proving how njz is right

[storm warren]

they dont understand it as they link mhj's practices as ceo to hybe and current ador or they do understand but do it purposely to gaslit as into thinking that "hybe did them charity"

like bfr? lmfao njz earned everything and more that was invested in them

why they dont talk about how much was invested in their faves survival shows and debuts? it doesnt fit narrative ig

ador had the most healthy financial results among labels despite having single act and all that without touring

[hollow sorrel]

yes and NJZ had one of the smallest debut budgets out of the company

It is still a really high amount because it's HYBE, but they just take the number and run with it like idiots meanwhile their favs had 3 or even 6 times bigger budget to debut

[storm warren]

exactly and they look at investment only. why dont u look at earnings and net profit. njz earned every cent of it because of their massive debut and success afterwards

they can delude themselves as much as they want but og ador made it happen. music, concept, marketing, healthy work environment and treating them like they were worth it

its also hilarious to watch fraudor flaunt about paying njz like theyre doing some charity. the girls earned every cent and ofc u should be paying every cent they are entitled to

the mistreatment of idols is so normalized by fans and by industry, that they think njz being treated right is privilege

kpop fans should stop glamorizing horrible conditions idols are subjected to. it is not normal. but they suffer from victim complex and cant help but further enable abusive practices

[heady gate]

Poor regulation allows K-pop labels to exploit artists, as the government fails to protect them.

[viral nexus]

i hate people like these tbh

am i the only bunny kinda annoyed abt the -tokki- channel? Like yeah they support njz, they are fans but most their vids involve illit and it only brings more drama and they cant praise the girls w/o mentioning illit like-

[subtle matrix]

Yes but that would require kpop fans to not go too far in their support of their favourite groups

Like that comment on the LSF/ILLIT/Katseye group pic

Why pretend newjeans were such an evil presence in the company when they were pretty close with LSF before the whole MHJ/HYBE war started? Hanni and Yunjin posted stuff together all the time

[viral nexus]

its ltrly just the sister grps and that one comment mentioned how they were in piece after njz left but hanni and yunjin were literally bffs as trainees

[viral nexus]

frr like all 5 of them hugged each other at one point😭

[storm warren]

the theories they are inventing is hilarious. they even say njz mooched off hybe groups popularity by doing challenges with them and always acted exclusive by mhj's orders

like delusion and blind hatred is off the charts

[old cypress]

It's crazy really lol

[subtle matrix]

I feel like most of the time those people aren't trying to convince others with their fanfics as much as they are trying to convince themselves that they're allowed to be toxic on the internet lol

[old cypress]

They interpret that group pic as a victory parade

[short laurel]

it's been 1 year

happy anniversary.

[subtle matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/kiorin-thomevia-aniversario-party-party-horn-gif-15698278

[red thorn]

So eventful, court tour

[wise wagon]

i miss the era where we only received music and content updates and not court updates

[orchid field]

Lol bang left his comment section open

[lethal hound]

Its usually the same thing for most entertainment industries in the world though. I know this is a bread butter thing to say but same thing happens in hollywood

[clever wren]

Can someone explain the whole newjeans hybe problem?

Please

[heady gate]

https://www.nme.com/news/music/ador-hybe-feud-timeline-story-3754759

https://sites.google.com/view/nj-transcript-archive/content-eng

[dry geyser]

if njz wins the court case how long would it be till they start releasing music again and go back to regular activites as a group

[heady gate]

no one knows the answer. It is too far ahead.

[clever wren]

So who is in the wrong?

There was footage of illit members bowing to hanni and hanni said that a illit manager told the members to ignore her? Im still a new jeans fan tho

[short laurel]

hanni said members still greet her, her problem is with managers comment. hanni even said at national assembly if there's a misunderstanding then clear it up which belift manager avoided to do. also footage is from different day.

[clever wren]

Mmm, still sad to see the state they are in now.. sincerely hope the best for njz specially for hyein since shes just a kid

[hoary frost]

and still people are confused why the girls trust in mhj. she didn't do witchcraft on them

its a very simple and straightforward reason

[short laurel]

I would work under mhj since shr gives alot of holidays to her team. If it's witchcraft so be it.

Meanwhile hybe overworking it's employees till their health deteriorate. Love that..

[old cypress]

Looks like BSH and hybe ran a PR operation at lsfm's concert, using the illit lsfm and katseye to improve the company's (and bsh's) image

[rugged dagger]

i think we all knew what was coming when they took that picture

[hoary frost]

yeah, thing is that MHJ had an insanely negative reputation ever since njz debut. so people are just stuck to that and blaming her for everything.
ofc, back then i even didn't have a good view (of her). although i did think people were being very hypocritical and excessive.
but a holistic look at the picture needs to be done

[cinder verge]

is it bad to call them newjeans

[subtle matrix]

Idk. I call them njz if I'm talking about the 5 members in the present but newjeans if I'm talking about anything related to pre-contract termination

Depends on the context ig

[hoary frost]

i kinda find it same thing. but i just use njz

[copper current]

In the past I liked pannchoa but paid articles with 100 degress comments now appeared on pannchoa now

[hoary frost]

why would you like pannchoa

[subtle matrix]

Pannchoa has always been about shit stirring. Selecting comments to paint some narrative

[stuck roost]

What is the general korean gp sentiment on njz

[knotty sparrow]

still supporting them

[copper current]

good articles about NJZ in the past, not anymore, now only hate articles on there, 100 degree changes

[grizzled summit]

Any updates

[upbeat stream]

You might not know this about pannchoa but they have always been two-faced. They are on whichever side they think knetz are on. And they will aways over-amplify the side they have picked. When they thought knetz supported njz, they translated positive posts even if they had less engagement and avoided negative ones. Now it's the exact opposite

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1914928514832515522

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Why “High Trust” Matters in Exclusive K-pop Idol Contracts – A Commentary on the ‘NewJeans (NJZ) Injunction Ruling’
https://t.co/qhjAWgz2QW
By Jang Seoyeon

Recently, the court ruled in favor of ADOR Co., Ltd.’s injunction request to preserve its status as the agency representing

X · Apr 23, 2025, 6:25 AM

finally well written korean article after weeks of hybe mediaplay slop

[short laurel]

"The court’s ruling focused on how the agency “provided extensive support and effort for the formerly unknown trainees” and had “not violated major obligations such as financial settlement.” However, it failed to acknowledge the key fact that HYBE replaced the executive team—including MHJ and her staff who had made those efforts—with people the members did not trust and did so against the artists’ interests."

finally this is said in media. this is what everyone needs to know.

this non profit lawyer organization supporting girls ❤️

[grizzled summit]

Who

Which lawyer organization @short laurel

[short laurel]

the article juan translated is from non profit lawyer organization GongGam.
they have english about page https://www.kpil.org/about-us/

[cinder narwhal]

now lets see if any media will pick it up

now it's just some nugu article

[wary creek]

on reddit i see that bunnies have a bad reputation, new nicknames like, "carrot eaters" "rabbids" lol

[short laurel]

reddit has bad reputation everywhere. their opinion = useless opinion. they can call us whatever they want, it doesn't mean much

[hoary frost]

its very easy to create agendas on reddit anyways, closed communities

[grizzled summit]

How is aespannjeans back I thought they were banned

[storm warren]

plague is hard to defeat

[old cypress]

notice how they have no problem saying that hybe leaked stuff to the media instead of being 'neutral' and acting clueless

best we can do right now is to retweet the original tweet and its translation

[subtle matrix]

From what I've seen on tiktok the internet trolls see bans as a badge of honour

TW: ||yesterday I saw an account who keeps commenting "someone next sulli/someone next saeron" and keeps creating new accounts when tiktok (eventually) bans them, and their first post is basically a collage of all of their comments with the comment "I got banned do you think I went too far?" in a joking manner. They're proud of getting banned||

[short laurel]

That's way too far. Anonymity gave these ppl too much confidence to hate

[hollow sorrel]

will it take much longer to get the hearing date for the appeal?

because it goes to a higher court with 3 judges presiding the case

[clever wren]

Its in like june 5th

[hollow sorrel]

that’s the second hearing for the main lawsuit

I’m askint about the appeal to the injunction that restricts their activities in the meantime

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/_chae1won/status/1914658767477829862?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

不死 (@_chae1won) on X

The amount of hate comments really pmo. @SOURCEMUSIC can you do a proper job and delete this comment???

X · Apr 22, 2025, 12:33 PM

I’m not really on tiktok but I’ve seen fearnots post this and I’m guessing this is just a general thing happening on tiktok right now (unfortunately)

[subtle matrix]

Basically every gg tiktok is filled with those

People report them to tiktok and get "we didn't find anything wrong" back. They do delete the comments but bc the users aren't banned they just do it again and again

[knotty sparrow]

tiktok in general as well full of toxicity, that's why I always onyl see on the content not the comments.

[fading forge]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-korean-gamer-gif-14533779

[short laurel]

||I read in replies that these people are mentioning sulli saeron n moonbin too. This is so messed up, it's as if they didn't learn anything from these incidences. N how suddenly it started, it feels like someone organised these.||

[hollow sorrel]

yes, I also noticed how a lot of the times the pfp might be Haerin, or an ILLIT member or whoever, but if you check the account they are not a stan or anything so they just set them as a pfp to set the group and fandom up

[short laurel]

I didn't notice that n after reading more, someone did bring up mhj out of nowhere

[hollow sorrel]

I meant on tiktok

but I did see that mhj comment too
they really think she's behind everything

[short laurel]

1 Qrt blaming tokkies. Smh

Atleast most ppl figured out that these accounts are rage bait accounts

Ok it's happening in bg's too. N some fans seeing pfp are blaming each other fandoms

[empty halo]

i saw it being said about njz members too its a new ragebaiting trend it seems

crazy

[craggy skiff]

suddenly they bring a lot of illit fan acc, I wonder who after this
I not suprised with njz rage bait acc, they're under every kpop post

[pearl cipher]

Interesting:

https://www.allkpop.com/article/2025/04/legal-expert-criticizes-court-decision-newjeans-should-be-allowed-to-terminate-contract-with-hybe

[short laurel]

Surprising that this site picked up this article. But ofc comment section is full of idiots.

[heady gate]

I don't read anything from allkpop.

[short laurel]

They just translated this article if u are curious
https://sports.khan.co.kr/article/202504231631013 it's good article

[pearl cipher]

Yeah, I never look at the comments.

[short laurel]

Even theqoo comments are full of "pay panelty fees" it's so weird why so mant ppl suddenly care about the fees. Must be bots

[craggy skiff]

this post is better than i thought.
i just glanced at the pann post before and its quote so empty
And yes, the comment section they quoted was full of bots

[short laurel]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1914928514832515522
https://www.kpil.org/board_column/20250421/
this is the post sports khan referring to btw.

[cinder verge]

what is the general sentiment towards newjeans in japan

[subtle matrix]

I doubt anyone is able to tell you lol

[hollow sorrel]

so funny how those fandoms eat up jjinjin’s and snper’s words like gospel but when actual people who work in the fields support NJZ they must have been paid by MHJ

[wary hearth]

don't they fw njz big time in asia in general? i think they're still big everywhere

[wary creek]

njz did a ton of japanese collabs like songs, gameshows, and ads so i'd imagine good

[hoary frost]

probably people have different opinions. but i dont think its negative generally

[wary creek]

also does the hate for njz stem from hating mhj?

[hoary frost]

how come mhj has so much money to pay others but not hybe ...she doesnt have all this power

[hoary frost]

I think thats a huge root of the hate honestly. people were against her since njz debut and now their headcanons got shattered

They built up a narrative

Then, they started blaming njz for for all of illit and lesserafim hate despite this is so furthest from truth
and also fans who are feeling personally bonded to hybe

[compact creek]

this never made sense to me cause yes the hate trains they received imo were extreme and unncessary, to completely blame it on mhj and njz makes no sense when it was literally building before all of this

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/webelieveinbots/status/1915131759928418483

[narrow seal]

250423 webelieveingwarosa (@​webelieveinbots) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/webelieveinbots/status/1915131759928418483
Too many things “missed” by the judge
#Hybe’s chairman Bang Sihyuk, gave an interview before the feud broke out (but at the time Min Heejin raised the issue privately), where the journalist he talked to titled the interview as “it’s different from #NJZ, I’m attracted to it…”
Furthermore Bang Sihyuk ADMITTED that Belift took “attention” and “ditto” moves from #NJZ, despite Belift strongly denying this later when the scandal formally started.
The news outlet even added a section where Belift’s group and NJZ were being compared, with the caption in NJZ’s section not highlighting their achievements (despite there being SEVERAL very prestigious achievements) in comparison to Belift’s group, mind you the captions for the comparisons were given by Bang Sihyuk, as that’s the source the journalist took for the article, apart from interviewing him.
Judge Kim sanghoon, no wonder so many people doubt your veredict, you were supposed to bring justice, not the other way around.

[wary creek]

i remember hearing that illit and leserrafim were trauma bonded. Is there any truth or proof that they are even traumatized

[compact creek]

trauma is abit much icl but no doubt their mental states werent the best at the time but i feel like the people saying this just again want to point blame towrads mhj and njz rather than the companies and media

[old cypress]

because pannchoa did. Many international outlets follow pannchoa

[subtle matrix]

Trying to diagnose people we haven't met with mental illnesses and conditions is wack but if they were going to do it they could at least make a diagnosis that makes sense. Trauma bonding isn't a term applied to a shared bond between victims of trauma, so even though they haven't had an easy year, they are definitely not "trauma bonded".

[old cypress]

Illit and lesserafim are not allowed to speak up so they'll make vague statements about the hardships they endured and since it's vague the media (and hybe as we've seen) can use them to push whatever narrative they want

[hoary frost]

this is like some parasocial statement

[old cypress]

we've seen it with jungkook and how hybe's "explanation" completely twisted his words

[thorny knot]

yeah even then hanni said she could tell the illit members were uncomfy with the situation, and i mean i can't blame them especially yunah since from the trainee videos leaked we know she trained with almost all the newjeans members so it's likely she's friends with at least one of the newjeans members

[viral nexus]

uh yunah was training with the njz members?😭

[thorny knot]

mostly speculation she was one of the girls in that leaked pictures but chances are high it's her

it's unknown if she was one of the 9 that made it to the final selection process when min heejin broke off from source and created adore tho

one of those girls made a tiktok saying she was one of those 9 trainees that made it when adore was created, but she hasn't said anything other than that

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/breadjeanz_/status/1915050868543787066

[narrow seal]

250423 lyv🍀🏁 (@​breadjeanz_) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/breadjeanz_/status/1915050868543787066
for the nth time, hybe stans in the qrts proving they lack critical thinking skills and don't see idols as human beings with rights

how can they be this willfully blind to the fact that this is inherently a human rights issue in an entertainment wrapper and affect ALL idols

[heady gate]

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/southkorea/society/20250424/nearly-half-of-judges-say-they-have-faced-external-pressure-during-trials

[heady gate]

"Among judges who had experienced such pressure, 56.5 percent said it had directly impacted their ability to carry out trials fairly. "

Now, we know the Korean judges do not conduct trials fairly.

[compact creek]

im still rlly holding out hope that the judge for njz case can see thru the bs

[polar owl]

Also hope Sejong presents all the right arguments - they were a bit undercooked as per their own admission in the injunction.

[stuck roost]

Sejong and kim & chang are both big 6 law firms right?

[viral nexus]

ohh

[polar owl]

Good to finally see a thoughtful and balanced article.

We only have rage-bait, misinformation, & coordinated narratives pushed by industry loyalists or rival fandoms.

It seems that many who oppose NJZ fall into a few clear categories:

• Blind supporters of other groups who hate NJ/MHJ for whatever reason.
• Casual fans misled by selective disclosures and media smear campaigns.
• Those who believe that NJ should stay loyal and persevere, as if it is a good trait, as other idols have been through worse.

[pulsar wasp]

trial is soon?

[wary creek]

the dates are in the pinned messages

[stiff prairie]

who pins stuff nowadays. feel like i haven't seen jhin in ages

[swift spire]

where is our lord jhin

[copper jetty]

Sometimes Damien does. You just have to summon him and tag him on the messages that needs to be pinned.

[dapper root]

yoooooooooooo

[copper jetty]

And he was summoned. Lmao

We were just chatting about pinned messages but thank you for popping up damien.

[dapper root]

yeah the pins are always full in this channel lmao

so i always gotta remove one

[copper jetty]

Thanks for doing that

[hot girder]

https://x.com/hyegums/status/1915376677737181603?t=dC6erWcbYBPlYCXiYYJtdQ&s=19

۟ (@hyegums) on X

/njz.kr was updated 27 days ago!! they're probably prepared for the comeback and all and are just waiting to win the appeal

X · Apr 24, 2025, 12:06 PM

smells like copium to me, what do you guys think? a domain being updated doesn't have to necessarily hint towards a comeback

[short laurel]

They almost had a cb on complexcon. Remember pitstop

[hot girder]

keyword: almost. and that was quickly shutdown after the injuction results

[mental lynx]

Well it was updated before the injuction was granted so this posts means nothing unfortunately

[bronze talon]

thats why i think they just halted the site and release their stuff once everything is over and settled
at least thats what seems most plausible

[vale grove]

I think this just confirms they WERE going to do a full scale comeback which

Is not new information to anyone. Like we already know they were attempting to do it. It just couldn’t go through

[copper current]

what is the next date for objection hearing? No date yet

[heady gate]

• Awaiting injunction appeal court date

[copper current]

ok, go back to waiting mode

~t https://x.com/juantokki/status/1915624765995336186

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

[Full Text] “NewJeans Should Be Able to Terminate Their Contract with HYBE” – A Legal Commentary
https://t.co/tZ5sVIsZpz
Reporter Lee Sun-myung

A legal expert has criticized the court’s decision to dismiss NewJeans (NJZ) members’ request for an injunction to suspend their

X · Apr 25, 2025, 4:31 AM

[stiff prairie]

all these legal commentary for a whole year and nothing to show for it smh

[marsh roost]

at this rate, don't expect any meaningful change in 2025

[stiff prairie]

appeal on injunction should be done by 2025 tho

if that yields any good results that is

[empty halo]

if they just win the injunction they can restart promotions and have a comeback right? Like, they can continue their careers as usual with fighting the main lawsuit on the side? Or do they have to win both first

[stiff prairie]

if big if they do win on the appeal it'll be like before the hiatus news yeah. but i have a feeling they'll still stay lowkey till the main lawsuit. maybe they'll just post on insta more

[wary creek]

i'm not going to have my hopes up on the appeal

probably can't do independent activities until they win the main case

[stiff prairie]

same. my only silver lining is that sk will probably have another government after the election which may be favorable to the girls

[old cypress]

The appeal will involve 3 judges if i'm not wrong, so the outcome could be completely different. Some Loona members lost their injunction and won the appeal 5 months later. Legal experts tend to side with NJZ (because of the supreme court precedent) and njz side was confident going into the injunction before getting blindsided by the judge.

It's too hard to say if that judge was corrupt or had a biased interpretation but with 3 judges there are less chances of that happening. Obviously njz could lose again but we're not at the "it's so over" stage yet

[vapid bronze]

Haven't been in this thread in months, is there good news?

[grizzled summit]

When's the appeal

[old cypress]

we don't know yet

[clever wren]

Lowkey felt bad for ILLIT members

[heady gate]

This article will explain about Korean judges. https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/southkorea/society/20250424/nearly-half-of-judges-say-they-have-faced-external-pressure-during-trials

[short laurel]

it says nearly half. but i m sure it's much more than half. cuz not everyone going to come out to reveal it.

[orchid field]

*x -c
https://x.com/thegreatgaram/status/1915793917607575649

[harsh dove]

@thegreatgaram <t:1745595838:d>

Re: Appeal hearing & main trial results dates

[old cypress]

it's gonna take a while then

[half knot]

that loona timeline is really not correct but whatever 😄

also it helped that BBC basically disintegrated and the case was practically open and shut once the judges saw the contracts.

[wary creek]

so loona's case is an easier case than njz?

[old cypress]

the cases are completely different there's no point in comparing them

[half knot]

that's an understatement.

loona case was about settlements and monetary compensation, with terms and clauses that were outright illegal, unenforceable, etc.

it was much closer, more similar to old slave contracts aside from its duration.

[cinder narwhal]

does anyone have the link for the recent opinion piece from a lawyer/ lawyer org? need to add it to my list of things to read but never bother to

[bronze talon]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1914928514832515522

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

Why “High Trust” Matters in Exclusive K-pop Idol Contracts – A Commentary on the ‘NewJeans (NJZ) Injunction Ruling’
https://t.co/qhjAWgz2QW
By Jang Seoyeon

Recently, the court ruled in favor of ADOR Co., Ltd.’s injunction request to preserve its status as the agency representing

X · Apr 23, 2025, 6:25 AM

otherwise those two
https://x.com/juantokki/status/1915624765995336186
https://x.com/juantokki/status/1915599591564779986

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

[Full Text] “NewJeans Should Be Able to Terminate Their Contract with HYBE” – A Legal Commentary
https://t.co/tZ5sVIsZpz
Reporter Lee Sun-myung

A legal expert has criticized the court’s decision to dismiss NewJeans (NJZ) members’ request for an injunction to suspend their

X · Apr 25, 2025, 4:31 AM

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

“The NewJeans Dispute Reveals Unfair Contract Structures in the Idol Industry” – A Human Rights Lawyer’s Critique
https://t.co/kEHEUbdcuR
Reporter Kim Na-yeon

[Interview] Attorney Jang Seo-yeon of the GongGam Public Interest Lawyers Group for Human Rights

“Long-term 7-year

X · Apr 25, 2025, 2:51 AM

https://x.com/withGongGam/status/1914889712390823966

공익인권법재단 공감 (@withGongGam) on X

[뉴진스(NJZ) 가처분 결정 비평]

"K팝 팬으로서, 이 사건이 K팝 산업과 대규모 엔터테인먼트 기업의 성장에 가려진 아이돌의 주체성과 인권 문제를 들여다보는 계기가 되길 바란다."

#NJZ #MHDHH_Friends
https://t.co/HvKfDHZmd2

X · Apr 23, 2025, 3:50 AM

[cinder narwhal]

ty

[bronze talon]

npnp

[upbeat stream]

You are right, which is why I wonder how 5/9 lost the initial injunction

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/kumachan982/status/1915912888889577490?s=46&t=rG1o-Bkd-GgDMGG_CtSg2Q

Kuma🧢🐰🏎️🏁 (@kumachan982) on X

我有一个观点: Sejong作为Top2的顶级律所，应该能预见到禁令很可能会失败。
因为ADOR在1月份向首尔中央地方法院申请禁令后，Sejong应该很清楚禁令基本固定在50庭金相勋。
通过MHJ的两次禁令，K&C和Sejong理应都很清楚金相勋的保守作风和严格的条文偏向。K&C更是在...

X · Apr 25, 2025, 11:36 PM

thread about the lawsuits and the behavior of the different judges handling them, as well as what Sejong might do next

[polar owl]

I really hope one day we get a K-drama inspired by NewJeans' freedom arc — a story of resilience, loyalty, and chasing dreams against the odds. It would be powerful and an absolute hit.

[spring fox]

is there a timeline thread from beginning to present to what has actually happened?

There is so much misinformation and I don’t even know if what i’m telling antis is correct.

[polar owl]

Look at the pinned comments

[spring fox]

A single thread would be nice, but it is a lot

[short laurel]

it's not detailed but useful as guide to do more research with. https://sites.google.com/view/nj-transcript-archive/welcome-bunnies

[analog depot]

I have a question that may be off topic but are these accounts their real personal ones??

[leaden dragon]

bc their contracts were amended in 2021 so it was different from the contracts of chuu and the other members

[storm warren]

no

[flint stone]

I don't think so

[analog depot]

Thank you!

[bronze talon]

*x https://x.com/bborbnz/status/1915991941600227491

[harsh dove]

@bborbnz <t:1745643050:d>

[bronze talon]

said this as well recently

[short laurel]

not everyone gets to do what to love for a living. these girls got that but hybe took that away. it hurts them more.
people don't understand this. majority of the working class world wide work in places they hate but have no choice, some of these people in the fandom, they are bitter that girls had what they didn't, to make living while doing what they love. so they expressing their bitterness by hating on girls.
atleast that's how i c people making those comments.

[polar owl]

This is true but also cra a a zy..

[half knot]

when Chuu had initially brought up her complaints, 5 out of 12 members signed a slightly modified contract with BBC, which is why their injunction was much more difficult and conditional and they initially lost too

[vital orbit]

new hair, new tee, new jeans, do you see?

[vital orbit]

link to this interview?

[grizzled summit]

Hii any new news

[heady gate]

Today is Sunday in Korea. No news to NJ, except the Indomie event.

[thorny knot]

go team bunnies

[craggy skiff]

Is any company really care about a fanbase event before? I hear about some fanbase scam but didnt know any side take action to protect their fan
Ador's announcement this time is ridiculous

[cinder narwhal]

they have a grudge

[short laurel]

Cuz team bunnies are opposing them legally. So they feel threatened

[steel depot]

ador knows they're going to lose that's why they're targetting bunnies now

[shy schooner]

Wonder if members going to show up

[cinder narwhal]

prob not, indomie popup feels like an actual entertainment activity compared to a birthday cafe

[upbeat stream]

Well yeah, but the court only prohibited independent activity, which this is not

But they did say they'll suspend all activities, so idk

[hoary frost]

Can some1 explain...so it was confirmed mhj planning documents were used by belift staff ?

[cinder narwhal]

well the alternative to that is to work together with ador still a no

[frozen bronze]

a whistleblower said belift team asked for planning documents of njz/mhj, no proof afaik

[waxen musk]

How do we know if MHJ's third hearing against Belift on May 2 will actually delve into the important details this time?
Just wondering because obviously with the first and second hearings (not just for this but for all the other lawsuits too), not much has yet been revealed.

[storm warren]

according to reports, they were given guidance. each side will present two ppts

one is about choreography, another is overall branding i think. so i think it is delving more into plagiarism issue at this moment

it was said that belift tried to limit the scope of issue to the choreography, but sejong side protested

hence why choreo is getting separate ppt time

[waxen musk]

[storm warren]

more mess incoming ayy

its probably not a coincidence that ahead of this trial, bots and k fandom of those groups are going crazy and rehashing old issues

[hollow sorrel]

I feel like this might be the last hearing of this lawsuit given how the judge set strict rules for the 2 sides

• "belift and mhj are allowed 2 PPT presentations maxed at 30mins/ppt
• focus will be on choreography, and other topics
• court instructed each party limit their documents to 30 pages or less hehehe
• ppt's due 5 days prior, docs 10 days prior"

[old cypress]

Makes sense that belift wants to focus on choreography

[vale grove]

I feel like given the topic of choreography we will have lots of evidence in favor of NJZ

[old cypress]

It's hard to prove choreography plagiarism it's probably better for mhj's side to argue that belift used newjeans as the blueprint rather than focus on the details. Belift probably wants to focus on the details to derail the trial so the bigger picture is lost. But that's just my nonlawyer 2 cents

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/luenacore/status/1916554881781186910

[narrow seal]

250427 luna ୨ৎ (@​luenacore) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/luenacore/status/1916554881781186910
I've noticed that my TL is increasingly filled with posts from "knetz" with random users and account, some of whom appear to be actively criticizing NJZ — to the extent that it almost seems like their entire account is dedicated to it. When i checked the replies to their posts, i realized they were flooded with bots — actual bots — artificially boosting engagement to amplify their reach.

This is not a coincidence at this point, it's been happening for almost a year now. I'm just waiting for more people to realise it.

[vale grove]

I feel like with that one video that went viral showing the choreography similarities it should be easy but also I know nothing about the time frame it took for the belift choreographer to create the dances so that could go against them

[old cypress]

Yeah but even if it's similar it's not forbidden to reuse choreography and this alone is probably not enough to prove plagiarism which is why (I assume) belift is trying to make the whole lawsuit depend on that claim alone. If the whole trial focus is the choreo and the judge decides it isn't plagiarism, mhj will lose. It's probably why sejong protested

It's kinda like how antis go "lmao long hair is plagiarism now skull_emoji" and try to dismiss the whole thing. Focus on 1 specific thing and extrapolate

[wary creek]

yes, correct me if i'm wrong, they are doing the strawman fallacy. It's where they are creating a position that their opponent didn't actually take

usually creating a position that is easy to argue for them

[compact creek]

what position is belift trying to make mhj take ?

[wise wagon]

hellaww i have a question because im a little lost on the timeline, was it mentioned anywhere in what month the belift manager told their team to ignore hanni?

[boreal swallow]

I don’t think so. It was during the second half of 2024 I believe. Why would the month matter tho…

[wise wagon]

because i was comparing hanni's statement to the cctv released by hybe on the ignore her situation

ive seen some bunnies point out that it was the wrong month/date from what hanni mentioned based on the styling of the members

[heady gate]

When? During the NJ YT live broadcast, she didn't mention the month. (u can watch that video again). All u need to know, it occurred and National Assembly caught attention.

[boreal swallow]

Why is this directed towards me

You’re just saying the same thing I said to them.

[heady gate]

oops. Wrong reply

[leaden dragon]

can anyone link me to mhj denying the kakao msgs i’m trying to send it to my friend but i can’t find it :0

[wise wagon]

i was thinking the same as you, i wanted to fact check what other people were saying because i was confused as to where they got that information from

[old cypress]

it happened late may

[wise wagon]

is there any source on that? :0 id love to get more informed

[old cypress]

the injunction ruling report mentions it

[wise wagon]

i know it happened i trust hanni, but im not 100% caught up on the details

[shut kelp]

anyone know what going with minji? https://x.com/newjeans_loop/status/1916644138315120908

MHDHH Loops 🧸🦦🐶🐱🐹 (@newjeans_loop) on X

#ALWAYSWITHYOUMINJI

X · Apr 28, 2025, 12:02 AM

[wise wagon]

ookei tysm <3

[old cypress]

but there are more sources besides that it's been mentioned a few times before

Belift said may 27 in one of their rebuttals

[boreal swallow]

To cancel out hate before her bday

[old cypress]

what messages? there are so many kakao messages

[leaden thistle]

I just opened tiktok, random fandoms were straight up talking hanni playing victim saying "hybe doesnt let other groups to communicate with other groups" with a pic of kat lsrfm illit, which bullshit news they get from that sentence, since when hanni said this

[old cypress]

she never said that yeah

[leaden thistle]

they even pull bts in, like non of em involved in these, wtf is wrong with ppl

[wise wagon]

people are getting too comfortable making things up

[old cypress]

and it's dumb, there's no way companies can control idols' private lives

[leaden thistle]

thats when a noob saying shit, another noob chain things up

those ppl also nvr knows that njz had a tiktok collab with lsrfm and bts b4

[old cypress]

they prob don't know that yunjin and hanni are friends lol

[leaden thistle]

but despite a beef between mhj and hybe, only things started to change

everyone of idols in hybe were like a group of friends-liked family, is just hybe things themselves

[leaden thistle]

ppl still fell for this, totally speechless

[old cypress]

the katsseralit PR move worked wonders lol

but the truth is we have no idea of what's actually going on. Hybe idols are stuck between a rock and a hard place

[wise wagon]

katseye support njz openly blessedly :'D im sure lsfm are on good ties with the girls behind the scenes too, its just fandoms making things up for the sake of fanwars

[old cypress]

yeah fandoms are just doing what hybe wanted them to

[wise wagon]

the way they're so easily falling for media play is genuinely sad

[old cypress]

hashtag united lol

[wise wagon]

how can you support a billion dollar company notorious for media manipulation over a group of young girls that have first hand exercise of the industry??

[old cypress]

they got TAG PR but these fandoms are like "nope it won't work on us"

[wise wagon]

i hope people begin to wake up soon its so ridiculous watching all of this unfold and feeling like you're talking to a brick wall trying to explain your side

[cinder verge]

did something happen to minji? why is there a #alwayswithyouminji tag going around

[wary creek]

idk in their heads, the girls are spoiled and mhj is evil

[wise wagon]

wooo black magic 🪄

[wary creek]

newjeans might just be sign of changing times

more outspoken and younger generation who don't like outdated rules

[stoic heron]

just to block the hate before her birthday

[compact creek]

im glad they have support from kateyes

even then like its not as if njz is shaming other hybe groups just hybe the company

[boreal swallow]

That wasn’t pr but anyways all hybe artists support one another and im sure they support njz in their decision because they understand their company the best

[compact creek]

true the way i see it even if they wanted to outspokenly support njz they would come under attack and slander

[boreal swallow]

It would also back the entire situation more messy for hybes side anyways so they’re probably not allowed to speak about njz since their presence in the company has changed significantly ykwim

[compact creek]

im pretty sure if that situation arose everyone getting thrown in the basement 😭 but thats me thinkin

[subtle matrix]

What did katseye do?

[subtle matrix]

Belift is making it about choreo because the choreo claims have 0 legitimacy. I'm pretty sure you can find the same similarities between any two groups if you look hard enough (and you can find examples on youtube of people who have done so)

[boreal swallow]

Also it’s hard to claim plagiarism for dance moves unless it’s 1:1 between two choreographies so that was one of the weaker claims against belift

[hoary frost]

Manon liked a post of hanni at the national assembly iirc

[hoary frost]

They know. The narrative is that hanni backstabbed her friend

[hoary frost]

Anyways you should know
The people who are making these fanwars the most and sticking their noses in
It's not actually fans of any of these groups (I think u know which fandom I'm talking about) so I don't think they actually care
Like I observed ppl on YouTube all about insulting njz etc for bullying other groups etc...and their profiles are all of that one group
Now you can be fan of more than one group. But it's just an interesting pattern

Yeah this is just their hobby

[orchid field]

mediaplay monday is back

[warm void]

what happened with minji?

[silver warren]

Wym?

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/Snper22/status/1916449508537336048
is it this? i keep scrolling but i couldn't find the root cause in my feed

Sniper22 (@Snper22) on X

Knetz resurfaced quotes from the March injunction hearing where #NewJeans Minji explicitly attacked other idol groups—marking the first time in history an idol publicly targeted fellow idols. (250307)
https://t.co/Rw2BnMBj1n

"I saw a shocking article that 'a member from another

X · Apr 27, 2025, 11:09 AM

how do you arrive to this conclusion based on the screenshots provided though 😂 dumbass sniper

[steel depot]

Mediaplay Monday is back next episode is Dani's... The pattern is so obvious...

[red thorn]

Very exaggerated sniper's caption
As always

[cinder narwhal]

oh nvm i think it's from a korean account 🥱

[red thorn]

What it's all about, summary

[heady gate]

Hanni's Visa mediaplay issue. Haerin's and Hyein's families were targeted on Apr 3 and 4. Dani's family will be the next target.

[cinder narwhal]

https://x.com/enugenug_aniya/status/1915378191029674193

喝 (@enugenug_aniya) on X

칼국수 사건
좋아하는 칼국수 맛집이 있을 정도로 칼국수를 좋아하는 워늬가 갈비찜을 두고 칼국수를 골랐는데 칼국수가 갈비찜보다 맛있을 리 없다며 싸불 당하고 이걸 본 민즤 부모가 탄원서를 제출해서 워늬가 칼국수를 수제비라 부르게 된 사건이다.

X · Apr 24, 2025, 12:12 PM

thread..? idk

[timber shell]

no that's just sarcasm (idk if i should call it sarcastic or mocking)
i don't see any relevant info there..

[heady gate]

HYPE earning report on April 29

[fast snow]

Any significant updates? Stopped paying attention to the channel for a while

[old cypress]

it's not zero legitimacy because in choreography there are point choreos that define the songs and not just random moves. And illit copied a few of these moves. It's not really common, and unless you're playing clueless it's pretty obvious that hybe wanted them to look like newjeans.

Again people are falling for the strawman fallacy, in the comparison videos there are a few generic moves and people like you were like "well duh these moves exist in so many choreos" and dismissed the whole thing.

In any case I'm just pointing out '0 legitimacy' is not correct at all.

[subtle matrix]

Unless illit copied long sections of choreos or newjeans has copyrighted specific dance moves that they used, then yes there is zero legitimacy in the plagiarism claims.

[old cypress]

From a legal standpoint yes they won't be able to prove plagiarism solely based on choreo

[subtle matrix]

Also note that the comment I was replying to, and your original comment, were about "choreography plagiarism". Not "hybe wanting ILLIT to look like newjeans"

[old cypress]

yeah but you said "I'm pretty sure you can find the same similarities between any two groups if you look hard enough" which was besides the point

[thorny knot]

correct but if they can prove they stole the blueprint for newjeans and also bring up the evidence already presented from past actions and statements made by hybe it should be a clear cut case (keyword is should be)

[subtle matrix]

It is not besides the point because it is the easiest argument that can be made against a claim of choreography plagiarism which is what I was talking about

[thorny knot]

that's what they should be focusing on mainly if they are planning on pursuing that case, is belift steal the newjeans blueprint, that alone should be a good starting point for their case at least

[old cypress]

Not really because of key choreo/point choreo as i said above

Afaik the reason you cannot legally claim plagiarism is because choreography is not copyrighted

[thorny knot]

this is 100% untrue btw

[subtle matrix]

afaik it doesn't need to be copyrighted to be protected

[thorny knot]

yep exactly they need to prove that belift stole the newjeans blueprint then they'd have a case, the choreo alone isn't enough cause it's not protected under korean copyright laws

[subtle matrix]

Why?

[thorny knot]

i just said why

[subtle matrix]

smh

[old cypress]

I don't think so since there was a push in korea to introduce choreography copyright

[thorny knot]

says smh when they are proven wrong

[subtle matrix]

I said 'smh' because apparently this thread is immune to context

My first comment was literally about hybe making this about choreo alone because choreo alone wasn't enough to prove anything

[thorny knot]

yeah but it's not a thing yet which is why they would have to go the route of belift stealing the blueprint

[thorny knot]

ok buddy enjoy your copium

[subtle matrix]

And you think you won the argument while literally repeating that choreo alone isn't enough

[thorny knot]

and also can we please say belift or hybe the illit members have nothing to do with this, poor girls got sucked into this drama their company dragged them into

[thorny knot]

cause it isn't, if there choreo was protected by copyright law it would be enough but that's currently not the case

[old cypress]

I'm not sure it would've been enough

[subtle matrix]

That is literally what I've been arguing for

[sudden tangle]

yeah i’m not quite sure what they took was long enough for it to be enough

[thorny knot]

oh i agree they'd probably have to go the blueprint route anyway

[grizzled summit]

Hii any news

[thorny knot]

Nope just hybe media play on minji through sniper

[short laurel]

Why this account looks like anti illit n anti nj.

[bronze talon]

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1916832521712734415

1tokki (@juantokki) on X

🗓️Timeline: NJZ and MHJ vs. HYBE/ADOR

May 2020
MHJ proposes a “Teen Influencer based on teenage relatability” concept

Aug 2020
From their “Beautiful Powerful Woman’s Growth Narrative” concept back in March 2020, Source Music modifies their concept to “Global Influencer

X · Apr 28, 2025, 12:31 PM

if someone needs this or wants to know what happened ig

[frozen granite]

I haven’t been on the loop in I think a month? Can someone just give me a brief summary of what has happened?

[frozen bronze]

i swear you say this every few days

[frozen granite]

Who cares

[frozen bronze]

i dont, but its funny

[empty halo]

this is the longest tweet ive ever seen holy shit

[heady gate]

Awaiting injunction appeal court date
May 2 - MHJ's third hearing against Belift
May 26 - MHJ vs Employee B second hearing
May 30 – MHJ’s second hearing against Source Music
June 5 - ADOR vs MHDHH: Exclusive contract validation trial second hearing
June 12 - MHJ’s third hearing for the shareholders' agreement

That is the summary.

[subtle matrix]

Well hopefully not in 10 years because any legal troubles will end in 2029 at worst

[frozen granite]

Idk if this is common but is anyone else feeling some type of fomo for the girls? Everyone is making a comeback while the girls are not allowed

[upbeat stream]

Yep, sitting out two years makes their penalty very small, so they might be free by late 2026 or early 2027

Although I am not fully certain how the damages will be calculated in that scenario

[compact creek]

10 years without njz

[steel reef]

plenty of time for them to cook up new music

[compact creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/855940373180448790/1306197653398487070/IMG_7981.gif

[hollow sorrel]

I wonder what happened to the defamation lawsuits mhj filed against hybe executives in december

[vale grove]

At first I did but then I took this as their mandatory Military leave like someone else said LOL

[vale grove]

Naur

[ashen charm]

In dog years right

[compact creek]

im prayin bro

[storm warren]

appeal info

case was registered, we might get date soon

[pulsar wasp]

snap

[craggy skiff]

waiting for some info about these judges bias

[hollow sorrel]

letsgoo

[storm warren]

https://namu.wiki/w/이균용

other two dont have much info out, but this one is goldmine

💀 negative way

list of controversies https://namu.wiki/w/이균용/비판 및 논란

[hollow sorrel]

https://www.khan.co.kr/article/202308300600005

I also found this

[storm warren]

he is crooked

[hollow sorrel]

looks like Judge Lee Gyun-yong is involved in "Minpan-yeon" which has been criticized by the legal community for working like a carter, because of close ties to Kim&Chang

[storm warren]

seems like it. regular meetings w Kim & Chang

https://namu.wiki/w/민사판례연구회#s-2.1

[hollow sorrel]

he has so many

[storm warren]

...elitist, sexist and favors rich. thats all we needed

[hollow sorrel]

this is wild

[storm warren]

insane

[hollow sorrel]

lolll

[old cypress]

3 judges yep

[cinder narwhal]

chat are we cooked

[old cypress]

hopefully the other 2 are not like him lol

[mild mist]

Maybe / 10

[orchid field]

are we cooked

[hollow sorrel]

there's not much info on the other judges, but there are 3 judges so if the other 2 oppose the corrupt one will be okay

[orchid field]

so we only have info on 1 of 2 ya?

[hollow sorrel]

yeah he has a lot of info up on that namu wiki thing,
one of the other judges has a page, but it's pretty much empty
the last one I couldn't find at all

[orchid field]

alrighttt thanks for the hard work 🫡

[copper jetty]

https://x.com/sheepymcsheepy/status/1917178237677081033?t=BwHbiXmeFIOlMsIjqyqz3Q&s=33

Sheepymcsheep (@sheepymcsheepy) on X

Go Team Bunnies!

These incels' identities should be made public, so malicious commenters would think twice before posting. Also, isn't it strange that all 3 cases are handled by Yongsan police station? Meaning the culprits live within the area (Hybe is in Yongsan)

X · Apr 29, 2025, 11:24 AM

Is there any truth to this? Like why the cases are handled in yongsan because the address of the culprits are close there?

[craggy skiff]

Wow. That wild. It looks like we cooked

[craggy skiff]

I'm gonna set a low expectation

[cinder narwhal]

that's just where team bunnies lawyers filed the case. see here, location of wrecker is actually in busan https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1917131387372769584

Lia ✮ (@Liasshy) on X

3 cyber wreckers addresses have been identified and matched, the police are now pursuing the case against the individuals for defamation against NewJeans

X · Apr 29, 2025, 8:18 AM

[frozen bronze]

do we know which ones they are

[copper jetty]

Thanks for the clarification

[knotty sparrow]

we need female judges

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Nai_KiwiNWJNS/status/1917243665837105542

[narrow seal]

250429 THIS 🥝✨ GIRL 🩵 NJZ (@​Nai_KiwiNWJNS) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Nai_KiwiNWJNS/status/1917243665837105542
This is why we shouldn't take tweets from bot tag pr accounts to the heart. Remember that hybe inflates tweets with bots and bought likes. We have plenty of proof of them doing so. The truth is the general public still supports njz and hybe will never change that no matter how

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/eniwastaken/status/1917114622777205134

[narrow seal]

250429 eni (@​eniwastaken) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/eniwastaken/status/1917114622777205134
looks like the Korean general public is still very much on our girls side

[short laurel]

This has been happening in kpop so much n ppl always complained but so many little 7's kpoppies realising it now is funny.

[subtle matrix]

In kpop or in music in general

Or in all media really. There are always trendsetters and trend chasers

And to a certain degree everyone is building onto existing stuff. Newjeans definitely set the trend with their own style of y2k but it's not like they were the first ones to lean into that aesthetic

The cream rises to the top. If these groups are just trying to cash in on the popularity of newjeans and don't really have anything to set them apart then they won't go very far. It's unnecessary to keep pointing out every group that comes out with a similar concept, just makes the fanbase look childish and bitter

[short laurel]

This has been happening since forever n fanbase always point this out even in 2nd gen era. What i m saying it some fandoms found about it now after njz.

N it's not just trendsetting but very obvious copy paste of concepts too.

[polar owl]

Maybe I am biased 😅 - but ILLIT, IZNA, Hearts2hearts, Kiikii, Young Posse, Say My Name, Meovv, Rescene - all seems to now use a similar asthetic / styling as NJ more often than not.

[vale grove]

I agree these groups have a lot of inspiration from NJZ but it’s hard to say what companies took directly from newjeans as their source of inspiration, especially w newjeans basically CREATING the new trends in K-pop. But yes imitation is the best form of flattery and proves their culture relevance

I feel like hearts to hearts was more inspired by a mixture of SNSD and IVE

Sonically njz and the groups mentioned don’t share much in common though in my opinion but feel free to disagree and lmk what yall think!!

[old cypress]

Njz changed the kpop game and it's natural that other companies try to dissect njz and adopt what they think will work. When enough companies do it, the trend becomes overused and njz has to reinvent themselves. These are the rules of game and it's perfectly natural. The only problem is HYBE adding to it and making the trend run out faster than it should instead of managing njz's originality so njz can ride the trend as long as possible before moving on.

You won't see SM doing aespa concepts with H2H because that would harm aespa. Yet HYBE did njz concepts with illit. That's basically the main problem, not plagiarism itself

[vale grove]

I AGREE WITH ALL OF THIS!

[vale grove]

HEY there was an update on their ig but can’t read it

[icy kernel]

This account's broadcast channel usually translates everything, but they haven't gotten to the most recent post yet:

https://www.instagram.com/channel/AbatjP11PA4pJxJa/

[upbeat stream]

Tbh SM repeated fx concept with RV and yg did the same with 2ne1 and blackpink. But in both cases, the groups didn't overlap much, fx was nearly done when red velvet debuted, 2ne1 disbanded before blackpink

[old cypress]

BP was meant to replace 2ne1 so that makes sense. As for f(x) the concepts were a little different but still, RV was gonna replace them

[upbeat stream]

Yeah, the problem is newjeans is an active group

[old cypress]

https://youtu.be/wdZCEeYsWyI

[fleet nebula]

I mean there was the whole "every group copying Blackpink girl crush styles" for a good few years

[copper current]

~t https://x.com/Liasshy/status/1917131387372769584

[narrow seal]

250429 Lia ✮ (@​Liasshy) Twitter Update
https://twitter.com/Liasshy/status/1917131387372769584
3 cyber wreckers addresses have been identified and matched, the police are now pursuing the case against the individuals for defamation against NewJeans

[hoary frost]

I don't think red velvet concept is that similar to f(x) tbh...they had their own "red" and "velvet" thing

[hoary frost]

Well the thing is, I don't think it's wrong these groups take inspiration from njz
But so many kpoppies in denial njz set trend for this new common concept in kpop that everyone is doing, it's not plagiarism usually but they always deny the influence njz has

[hoary frost]

What's this about?

[short laurel]

There's something that troubles me.
When njz started new trend, they considered gen 4 but when bg did the same, fandom started calling it gen 5.

Generation in kpop are fandom but why fans never considered new generation after gg. But only after bg

[hoary frost]

I think they r gen 4 tho. Gen 4 got established more after their debut...for example ...even before their debut kpop was moving away from girl crush kinda concept...
Which BG areu talking about btw?

[short laurel]

I forgot their name. All i remember is they are not from sm or hybe :v but ppl started saying gen 5 after their debut.

Zerobase1!

[vale grove]

Interesting insight! I agree with this as well!

[hoary frost]

Maybe bcuz they are new big bg after the 4th gen ones. 4th gen I remember it was defined by gg like itzy

[short laurel]

Why wasn't newjeans called 5th gen then. They too were new big gg after gen 4 groups.

But everyone who took inspiration from newjeans become gen 5

[hoary frost]

Tbh 4th gen concept was already being alot lighter than 3rd gen tho
https://youtu.be/qfVuRQX0ydQ?si=bDlZK6fskmmV1Pzm here is song before njz debut, this was very popular and viral and I'm not saying it's similar to njz songs but u see the concept right

Now 5th gen seems...more minimalistic styles I guess...that's what I noticed

Maybe too early to tell

[compact creek]

ive noticed this too???

i kind of hate it though but thats just with minimaslitic overall

[snow sparrow]

Aight guys be fr is it over?

[waxen musk]

People holding on are basically waiting for the appeal date, and hoping for NJZ to win that so they can put out new music this year, as opposed to waiting for some mystery future date.

[subtle matrix]

Isn't it just a matter of chronology? They debuted same year as NMIXX and LSF, 2 months after the latter. 5th gen is considered 2023 onwards and has lots of groups with and without major Newjeans inspiration (KIOF for example is considered 5th gen because they debuted in 2023 but they are much more inspired by other 3rd and 4th gen groups than the current y2k/magical girl trends)

[snow sparrow]

The appeal didn’t go through

[waxen musk]

We're currently waiting for the date for the appeal to begin.

[snow sparrow]

It never made it to court

[lyric geyser]

Source ?!?!

[snow sparrow]

The court already dismissed the appeal?

[waxen musk]

One or two days ago, the appeal was registered with the court, we know who the judges will be. We're just waiting for the date now.

[lyric geyser]

Dude don’t believe random TikToks

[subtle matrix]

That was the objection (appeal to the same court). They appealed to a higher court

[snow sparrow]

It’s not going through 😭

[waxen musk]

The court rejected the injunction objection.

There's still the appeal.

Stop speaking out of your arse.

[subtle matrix]

Pls don't spread missinfo

[frozen granite]

Clock it ash!!!!

[snow sparrow]

It’s over guys it’s time we wake up

[hoary frost]

What lol

[subtle matrix]

Stop trolling

[waxen musk]

Anyway, how you guys doing? I haven't been talking in here much but things should start happening throughout May.

[hoary frost]

been doing good, especially today. thanks for asking

[thick glade]

Dani's post was lovely ❤️

[stoic heron]

she's an angel

[hoary frost]

youre an angel ey~

[stoic heron]

stoop

[short laurel]

Many still consider 5th gen as 4th gen. It's all fan made stuff anyways, it's confusing like that even among 2nd n 3rd gen and 3rd n 4th gen. From what I've seen new gen always seem to start from bg.
To me newjeans seems more like 4.5 gen. Similar to how exo are 2.5 gen.

[short laurel]

Just yesterday we got news of the appeal being registered with judges announced. Date will be soon.

[stuck roost]

On everyone’s soul we winning the appeal

[hoary frost]

Nah I don't agree. I always feel 4th gen was clearly defined from itzy
BG concepts are mostly static
Yea new jeans can be 4.5 gen I agree

[short laurel]

I wasn't really much into kpop during that time so I'll take your word

[subtle matrix]

Ngl I don't follow bgs at all I have no idea what's going on there lol

[mild mist]

It does seem that the 'generations' keep getting shorter, probably because fans want to have tenuous achievements

[short laurel]

Chinese kpoppies have this straight. New gen every 5 years regardless of concept. Atleast according to a friend from rv fandom

[hoary frost]

Company are releasing more groups I guess as well

[hollow sorrel]

https://x.com/M0CHIMACHI/status/1917414299665862795

Mochi (@M0CHIMACHI) on X

Literally no shade to this group at all, but you can’t ever deny the NewJeans impact

X · Apr 30, 2025, 3:02 AM

the way they used the same exact sound for that "hey" part

[leaden dragon]

isn’t that just a sample tho

[mellow jackal]

yea, the think break is one of the most popular drum break samples